| 00:02.03 | JoshBorke | LOL |
| 00:10.52 | Kirkburn|Moooooo | eh? |
| 00:11.12 | Kirkburn|Moooooo | weirdness |
| 00:11.48 | JoshBorke | EditBoxOnEscapePressed = function () |
| 00:11.48 | JoshBorke | local editBox = getglobal(this:GetParent():GetName().."EditBox") |
| 00:11.48 | JoshBorke | editBox:ClearFocus() |
| 00:11.58 | JoshBorke | EditBoxOnEscapePressed = function () |
| 00:11.58 | JoshBorke | local editBox = getglobal(this:GetParent():GetName().."EditBox") |
| 00:11.58 | JoshBorke | editBox:ClearFocus() |
| 00:12.01 | JoshBorke | RARGH! |
| 00:13.16 | Kirkburn|Moooooo | moo |
| 00:13.48 | Tain | Oh.. you're trying to use an editbox. |
| 00:14.10 | JoshBorke | yea |
| 00:14.21 | JoshBorke | http://wow.pastebin.com/595538 |
| 00:14.31 | JoshBorke | is my current definition. unfortunately it never wants to give up focus |
| 00:15.10 | JoshBorke | what is the obvious thing i'm doing wrong? |
| 00:17.09 | JoshBorke | ( Qzot|distracted ): btw, i applaud you for PartyAims, that is a difficult project to do correctly :-/ |
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| 00:29.11 | JoshBorke | anyone know why frame:Hide() wouldn't hide a frame? |
| 00:35.00 | ckknight | frame.Hide was overwritten? |
| 00:48.13 | Miravlix | Hide should always work unless someone hooked it? |
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| 01:16.19 | Tain | Ok, who hid the hooker? |
| 01:16.40 | Fanook | O_o |
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| 01:21.44 | Shadowd | Stupid internet |
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| 01:33.42 | Guillotine | hehe. Tain>Ok, who hid the hooker? looks funny out of context |
| 01:42.52 | Legorol | helo |
| 01:42.56 | Legorol | Iriel, you happen to be around? |
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| 01:44.26 | Iriel | I do |
| 01:45.12 | Iriel | I wish I wasn't, but that's only because my presence is indicative of bad traffic. |
| 01:47.16 | Legorol | right |
| 01:47.19 | Legorol | welcome back ;-) |
| 01:47.22 | Legorol | you've been misssed |
| 01:47.33 | Legorol | anyway, there is one point with regards to the widget methods i wanted to ask you about |
| 01:47.42 | Iriel | thanks.. Being 'cut off' has sucked. |
| 01:47.44 | Iriel | Yup? |
| 01:47.57 | Legorol | there are a number of widget methods that are now available for all widgets, except Fonts |
| 01:48.06 | Legorol | which therefore i beleive should be consolidated to LayoutFrame |
| 01:48.14 | Legorol | even though technically they are not calling the same function in-game |
| 01:48.22 | Iriel | I suspect i'll agree |
| 01:48.22 | Legorol | example: GetParent and SetParent |
| 01:48.36 | Legorol | slouken rounded out the missing methods on FontStrings, Textures etc. |
| 01:48.45 | Iriel | Yeah |
| 01:48.47 | Legorol | stuff like GetBottom, GetTop, etc. |
| 01:49.04 | Legorol | so you agree that these belong under LayoutFrame now? |
| 01:49.19 | Iriel | I agree they will belong there when I do the 1.10 widget page 8-) |
| 01:49.26 | Legorol | cool |
| 01:49.34 | Iriel | But that process got rather derailed by not having any net access at home |
| 01:49.38 | Legorol | i don't know who did it, but at the moment the widget page is a halfway house |
| 01:50.02 | Iriel | Bah, we'll, I never edit it, I always regenerate from my fresh reference |
| 01:50.09 | Legorol | ok |
| 01:50.11 | Iriel | so I'll make it good whe |
| 01:50.12 | Iriel | when I do |
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| 01:50.26 | Legorol | out of curiousity: since you do automatic scans, how do you "consolidate" stuff into LayoutFrame? |
| 01:50.28 | Iriel | (I download/diff/update/regenerate, so I dont lose anyone's valuable edits, but I can discard junk) |
| 01:50.36 | Legorol | right |
| 01:50.42 | ForgottenLords | what do I have to set a fontstring to if I want to display a "<"? I tried to escape it using both / and |
| 01:50.49 | ForgottenLords | \... any suggestions>? |
| 01:50.54 | Iriel | "<" should do it |
| 01:51.06 | ForgottenLords | really... |
| 01:51.09 | Iriel | It's a fontstring and not a SimpleHTML, right? |
| 01:51.21 | Iriel | the latter can be a little freakish |
| 01:51.30 | Legorol | ok Iriel, thanks, i'll leave it in your capable hands |
| 01:51.37 | Iriel | Legorol : Basically I have a script which reads the scan data and a 'methodcomments.txt' file, and outputs the wiki page |
| 01:51.44 | Legorol | right |
| 01:51.47 | Iriel | methodcomments.txt has a one line description for eaach method |
| 01:51.50 | ForgottenLords | well, actually its a button text |
| 01:52.04 | ForgottenLords | and when I put > or < my Addons simply does not load |
| 01:52.08 | Iriel | In the eventual distant future, i'll pull the method ocmments from the respective xml pages. |
| 01:52.17 | Iriel | ForgottenLords : Oh, you're doing this in the XML aren't you |
| 01:52.19 | Iriel | You need < |
| 01:52.21 | ForgottenLords | yeah |
| 01:52.21 | Legorol | with my scans i have a hardcoded list of methods it should consider as belonging to LayoutFrame, even if the function address is different for the Frame implementation from the Texture implementation |
| 01:52.29 | ForgottenLords | %lt... ok |
| 01:52.33 | Iriel | My LayoutFrame list is hardcoded, yes |
| 01:52.37 | Legorol | e.g. GetBottom, SetParent, that sort of thing |
| 01:52.39 | Legorol | right |
| 01:52.43 | Iriel | My script will abort if I put something in there that doesn't belong |
| 01:52.44 | Legorol | so we think alike :-) |
| 01:52.47 | Legorol | ditto |
| 01:53.30 | Legorol | cool, i'll let you get back to .. ehm.. your traffic jam or whatever |
| 01:53.54 | Iriel | I'm half-working while I wait for my road to change back from red |
| 01:54.00 | Iriel | http://traffic.511.org/traffic_map.asp |
| 01:54.01 | Iriel | 8-( |
| 01:54.12 | Legorol | you check traffic before heading home? |
| 01:54.14 | Tain | I'm making progress on getting my first full action button created fully in Lua working. |
| 01:54.25 | Legorol | cool, Tain |
| 01:54.56 | ForgottenLords | Thanks Iriel, worked perfectly |
| 01:54.59 | Iriel | Actually, black, not red, aththe moment |
| 01:55.29 | Qzot|distracted | Okay. Caught up past page or two. heading out. |
| 01:55.31 | Qzot|distracted | Bye. |
| 01:55.33 | Qzot|distracted | 10 |
| 01:55.34 | Qzot|distracted | 9 |
| 01:55.35 | Qzot|distracted | 8 |
| 01:55.35 | Qzot|distracted | 7 |
| 01:55.37 | Qzot|distracted | 6 |
| 01:55.38 | Qzot|distracted | 5 |
| 01:55.38 | Qzot|distracted | 4 |
| 01:55.39 | Qzot|distracted | 3 |
| 01:55.40 | Qzot|distracted | 2 |
| 01:55.42 | Legorol | whilst you were gone, pretty exciting things.. |
| 01:55.42 | Qzot|distracted | 1 |
| 01:55.45 | Legorol | bye |
| 01:55.51 | Qzot|distracted | No!! What happened? |
| 01:55.52 | Legorol | i see you started posting on forums again :-) |
| 01:55.58 | Tain | Only issue with it is I don't see a way to assign an ID to a button, unless I find that I don't know that there's a way to do it. |
| 01:56.04 | Legorol | SetID |
| 01:56.05 | Qzot|distracted | Oh! While Iriel was out. hehe. |
| 01:56.19 | Tain | gah and I've been using SetID forever. |
| 01:56.25 | Legorol | isn't that what you need? |
| 01:56.27 | Tain | Here I'm looking at the new functions. |
| 01:56.43 | Tain | I've just been so focused on the new stuff I didn't thikn about it. |
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| 02:25.38 | Iriel | Ok.. gonna brave the roads.. see you all later |
| 02:25.49 | Tain | Good luck out there. |
| 02:26.47 | Iriel | Thanks |
| 02:36.57 | Kirkburn|TehWoW | Night night all |
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| 02:48.13 | Esamynn | Evening all |
| 02:48.21 | Cairenn | hey Esamynn :) |
| 02:48.57 | Esamynn | I'm curious, has anyone else noticed the 4 new files in the Default UI on the test realm? |
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| 02:50.14 | Miravlix | Read error 1.10 is that the I*VEBEENTOLONGINQUEUEERROR? |
| 02:50.45 | Esamynn | no queue for the PTR last time I checked |
| 02:51.39 | Esamynn | I |
| 02:51.58 | Esamynn | I'm talking about the files named: MinigameFrame.lua, MinigameFrame.xml, TicTacToeFrame.lua and TicTacToeFrame.xml |
| 02:52.03 | GenNMX|Thrae | Esamynn: Obviously it's a hack Blizzard implemented to steal your account information! |
| 02:52.18 | Esamynn | they already have it |
| 02:52.23 | Esamynn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.48 | Legorol | yeah we noticed it, they appear disfunctional right now |
| 02:54.01 | GenNMX|Thrae | "New in 1.10 -- Mana regeneration will now be 1/50th of its original value. All mana users will also have a 'Concentrate' button on their spellbook. This allows you to concentrate reading your spellbook, increasing your mana regeneration by 50%." |
| 02:54.14 | GenNMX|Thrae | "We feel this innovation will improve gameplay at all levels." |
| 02:54.27 | Esamynn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.42 | GenNMX|Thrae | "In addition, a minigame has been added for those that want something to do while waiting for mana other then chatting." |
| 02:54.49 | Cairenn | who what huh? |
| 02:54.59 | Esamynn | nm |
| 02:55.40 | Esamynn | I'm just wondering who the conspircy theorist is |
| 02:57.36 | GenNMX|Thrae | "Developers: Our innovation comes from close scrutiny of other MMORPGs, trying to improve on their mechanics. What? Yes, we did work at EQ once. I don't feel how that's relevant." |
| 02:57.36 | Esamynn | have you been around for a while Thrae and I haven't noticed or are you a recent addition to the channel? |
| 02:58.25 | GenNMX|Thrae | Esamynn: I've been idling here since about November. |
| 02:58.39 | Esamynn | ahh, I guess I've never seen you speak before |
| 02:58.54 | Tain | When idling paths cross, next on Fox. |
| 02:59.21 | Esamynn | lol |
| 02:59.26 | GenNMX|Thrae | Hey, eventually unused bits will collide... |
| 03:00.01 | GenNMX|Thrae | Esamynn: I'm most active in Ace development, although not recently. |
| 03:00.50 | Esamynn | ahh, I see, I've looked at Ace, but I perfer to not rely on 3rd party libraries |
| 03:01.48 | GenNMX|Thrae | You never use any libraries, not even your own? |
| 03:02.09 | Cairenn | his own wouldn't be "3rd party" now would they? |
| 03:02.40 | Esamynn | Cair, question about WoWI, does anyone ever go through the file comments and weed out the ones that clear violate the file comment guidlines? |
| 03:02.47 | Esamynn | clearly* |
| 03:02.53 | Cairenn | if they are pointed out to us, yes |
| 03:02.55 | GenNMX|Thrae | Cairenn: If an immigrant enters the United States, he can't say USA citizens are immigrants ;) |
| 03:03.30 | GenNMX|Thrae | So perhaps I was confused by the notion of "third-party". Aren't we all "third-party" except for Blizzard? |
| 03:03.33 | Legorol | anyone here familiar with EVE? |
| 03:03.44 | Legorol | i've just logged in for the first time ever and going through the tutorial |
| 03:03.52 | Legorol | got stuck at a point, wondering if someone can help me |
| 03:04.22 | Legorol | I've just left spacedock for the first time, and the tutorial is telling me that on the topright there should be an Overview list that shows a list of nearby object |
| 03:04.30 | Esamynn | by third party libraries I meant AddOns like Ace and Cosmos |
| 03:04.38 | Legorol | the window is there, the title says Overview, but there is a big "NOTHING TO LIST" in there |
| 03:04.44 | Legorol | it's not listing any nearby objects at all |
| 03:04.52 | Legorol | anyone has any idea why? i can't progress with the tutorial... |
| 03:05.21 | Miravlix | I think you mean like MapLibrary, Sea, Sky, Chronos |
| 03:05.47 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yeah, what Miravlix said. |
| 03:05.58 | Miravlix | Ace and Cosmos isn't libraries, they include libraries. |
| 03:06.24 | Tain | There's plenty of people who don't like having library dependancies. Sometimes even for valid reasons. |
| 03:07.03 | Esamynn | Miravlix my bad |
| 03:07.31 | GenNMX|Thrae | Miravlix: No, Ace is a singular entity through inheritance. |
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| 03:07.46 | Nomad_Wanderer | Howdy |
| 03:07.47 | Tain | Now now Ace and Cosmos aren't comparible, that's apples and oranges. |
| 03:07.49 | GenNMX|Thrae | To my knowledge, anyway. |
| 03:08.02 | Miravlix | Libraries has the benefit that it can be better tested code in them and it reduce the code size when multiple addons use them. |
| 03:08.02 | Nomad_Wanderer | Can someone answer a question about chat events? |
| 03:08.15 | Miravlix | I don't really see any valid reason why libraries is bad. |
| 03:08.17 | GenNMX|Thrae | Nomad_Wanderer: They're screwy. What's your question? |
| 03:08.26 | Nomad_Wanderer | What type of event is "[Nomad] comes online." |
| 03:08.32 | Nomad_Wanderer | Is that a system event? |
| 03:09.16 | Nomad_Wanderer | I looked in the wiki, but couldn't find anything. |
| 03:09.18 | GenNMX|Thrae | Nomad_Wanderer: You shall find it here -- http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_%28API%29 |
| 03:09.42 | Nomad_Wanderer | Can you give me a hint? |
| 03:10.29 | Esamynn | CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM I believe |
| 03:10.43 | GenNMX|Thrae | Nomad_Wanderer: Probably a system event, register and print them out. |
| 03:11.20 | Miravlix | Event printer addon, your best friend. |
| 03:11.32 | Nomad_Wanderer | Sweet. I'll look into that. |
| 03:11.43 | Cairenn | Esamynn: responded to you in PM |
| 03:11.45 | Miravlix | Anyone made a chrome version with in game configuration yet? |
| 03:11.54 | Nomad_Wanderer | Event Watcher? |
| 03:12.02 | GenNMX|Thrae | Esamynn: Anyway, Ace is small and specialized enough that if you're developing "the Ace way", you'll use 80-90% of the small amount of Ace code. |
| 03:12.16 | GenNMX|Thrae | For almost any type of addon. |
| 03:13.13 | Fanook | Nomad: I like EventCatcher, but that's just cause I wrote it :) I think Event Watcher is based off of mine |
| 03:13.20 | GenNMX|Thrae | Think of it like a C++ layer for programming in C. |
| 03:13.53 | Nomad_Wanderer | Where can I get it Fanook? It's not on curse |
| 03:14.15 | GenNMX|Thrae | Nomad_Wanderer: You're in WoWI-Lounge and your first stop is Curse Gaming? |
| 03:14.25 | Nomad_Wanderer | Yeah.. But cair isnt looking. |
| 03:14.33 | End | are you sure? |
| 03:14.39 | Fanook | EventCatcher: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=4424 |
| 03:14.51 | Nomad_Wanderer | Thanks |
| 03:15.06 | Fanook | it's not pretty to config, but the output is nice :) |
| 03:15.12 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well actually I'm surprised Curse doesn't have it, usually someone who's not the author and probably includes a virus and/or kiddie porn will upload it to Curse. |
| 03:15.34 | Fanook | evetn watcher used to be on curse |
| 03:15.44 | Fanook | ah, there it is. under Other |
| 03:15.44 | Nomad_Wanderer | Event watcher is on curse |
| 03:15.48 | Fanook | http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=957 |
| 03:16.17 | Fanook | whereas eventcatcher is under dev tools |
| 03:16.25 | Esamynn | GenNMX|Thre: I know what Ace is, and how it works, I just perfer to not have my AddOns depend on anything but themselves and the core API for their core functionality |
| 03:17.40 | GenNMX|Thrae | Esamynn: Do you feel that way for all programming projects? |
| 03:18.05 | GenNMX|Thrae | Or just for libraries without big communities / organizations / businesses backing it? |
| 03:18.47 | Cairenn | GenNMX|Thrae: careful ... |
| 03:19.36 | GenNMX|Thrae | I read and researched some studies for a Software Engineering class where we see a trend for programmers and companies to rather develop their own libraries then use existing ones out there, even if they're very cheap. |
| 03:20.59 | futr-sleep | http://venus.walagata.com/w/altariel/mordor.gif so funny |
| 03:21.29 | Esamynn | in this case, there are so many users who simply want to keep their total number of AddOns down, requiring them to install a Library seems an unneeded burden to place on the end user, especially since the functionality provided by them isn't all that complicated anyways |
| 03:21.36 | GenNMX|Thrae | I didn't research individuals though, so this stuff is interesting to me. |
| 03:22.45 | GenNMX|Thrae | Cairenn: I am fascinated by all aspects of human nature. My words may be taken out of context by people, but all I can say is that I am genuine. |
| 03:23.26 | Cairenn | GenNMX|Thrae: once you finished your statement and put it in context, it was fine, that's why I said nothing more |
| 03:23.29 | GenNMX|Thrae | Esamynn: That's all? No uneasiness at using someone else's code? |
| 03:24.03 | Esamynn | no, that played no part in my choice |
| 03:24.09 | Esamynn | back in 10-15, I need food |
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| 03:24.50 | GenNMX|Thrae | That's the only reason I don't put Lua over C personally -- using other people's code. |
| 03:25.07 | GenNMX|Thrae | But, eh, what else are you going to do within the WoW API. |
| 03:27.39 | zeeg | http://tinyurl.com/jfe6z |
| 03:27.41 | zeeg | buying that, hopefully tomorrow |
| 03:27.42 | zeeg | :D |
| 03:29.12 | Tain | "I am not one of those who in expressing opinions confine themselves to facts." - Mark Twain |
| 03:30.28 | zeeg | why do people get quoted like then when the person who said "My opinions aren't based on facts" dont :P |
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| 03:39.04 | MentalPower | grr... norganna.org is still down, and norgs is still MIA |
| 03:39.13 | Nomad_Wanderer | Hmm... is anyone familliar with ChatEventMonitor? |
| 03:39.40 | MentalPower | anyways, gnight folks |
| 03:40.10 | Esamynn | GenNMX|Thre: Let me give you an example from my own work, when I decided to account for +healing gear in my GroupHeal addon, I found an AddOn that is sort of a library called BonusScanner that already had all the code needed to scan the player's equipment for the +healing bonuses. What I did was include a stripped down version of his code in my AddOn, but I set it up in such a fashion that... |
| 03:40.11 | Esamynn | ...if the person useing my AddOn has BonusScanner installed then GroupHeal will hook into the the real thing rather than it's stripped down version |
| 03:40.18 | Esamynn | night MentalPower |
| 03:41.36 | GenNMX|Thrae | Esamynn: Yeah, exactly. One of the reasons Ace was developed was to centralize all actions taken by Addons so there would be less duality like that. |
| 03:42.05 | GenNMX|Thrae | I especially like the idea behind ace:RegisterFunctions() -- it allows two addons to embed the code for the same function, but only one instance of the function will exist in memory. |
| 03:42.09 | Esamynn | yah, my code is set up so that if BonusScanner is present, my stripped down code isn't even loaded into memory |
| 03:42.55 | Esamynn | on an entirely different topic, does anyone know where I might get localised spell names? |
| 03:43.11 | GenNMX|Thrae | Esamynn: A big trend in the Ace community is doing exactly what you did -- taking existing code and "stripping" down uneeded functions, tighting code, etc. Not necessarily converting them to Ace, just trying to make them "more efficient". |
| 03:43.19 | GenNMX|Thrae | They're not in GlobalStrings.lua? |
| 03:43.42 | Esamynn | I haven't actually looked, but I doubt it, names like "Healing Touch" |
| 03:44.29 | Esamynn | nope, not there |
| 03:45.46 | GenNMX|Thrae | Hmmm, I can't think of any other place in the open WoW API other then GlobalStrings.lua. Maybe they embed it in the client? |
| 03:46.09 | Esamynn | possibly, or the info is retrieved from the server |
| 03:46.30 | Esamynn | I wish there was a way for me to install other language versions of the client |
| 03:46.47 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yeah, I bet they did it like Warcraft III and included it in a different MPQ. |
| 03:47.21 | GenNMX|Thrae | As like some sort of other data format. To help hide names of NPCs and Locations, etc. |
| 03:47.27 | Esamynn | probably, but I don't have access to any of the non-english language packs |
| 03:49.31 | Esamynn | my post on WoWI and on the Blizz UI forums have netted me nothing :( |
| 03:49.41 | GenNMX|Thrae | Either way, I can't think of an easy way of retrieving that information. |
| 03:49.49 | GenNMX|Thrae | What do you need it for? |
| 03:49.55 | Esamynn | WoWWiki has localised Region names, but not spells |
| 03:50.51 | Esamynn | I've been meaning to localise GroupHeal, especially now that a German user wanted to use it, but I need the spell names so that I can retrieve spell information on the non-english clients |
| 03:51.55 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yeah, there's a function which can return localized region names. GetZone instead of GetRealZone? |
| 03:52.33 | Esamynn | ahh, I didn't know that |
| 03:53.03 | GenNMX|Thrae | I might have that backwards, but it's one of those. |
| 03:53.11 | Esamynn | wait, you saying you can get non-english region names, on an english client? |
| 03:53.45 | Esamynn | my understanding was that the client doesn't ahve a non-localised concept of the regions, except indexed by number or something |
| 03:54.09 | GenNMX|Thrae | No no, I just mean those functions make it easy to retrieve localized Zone names |
| 03:54.13 | Esamynn | and whatever the system was, it wasn't visible to the UI |
| 03:54.13 | zeeg | whats futr's website? |
| 03:54.35 | Esamynn | ahh, well getting localised information is easy, if you have a client with the localisation you want.... |
| 03:55.39 | Esamynn | I remember Slouken saying that the servers are all multilingual, and only the clients are specific to one localisation |
| 03:56.03 | zeeg | nvm foundit |
| 03:56.17 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yeah, but I don't think the server stores that information. It probably sees "Greater Heal" as "Spell #4252" |
| 03:56.35 | Esamynn | exactly |
| 03:57.03 | Esamynn | such a simple thing, but what a Pain in the ass |
| 03:57.05 | Esamynn | hmm |
| 03:57.10 | GenNMX|Thrae | So Group Heal is basically like Benecast? |
| 03:57.13 | Tain | Mmm mm Starbuck. |
| 03:57.43 | Esamynn | something like it, but simpler I suppose, GroupHeal does only healing, but it does it well |
| 03:59.17 | Esamynn | hmm, I wonder if I can pull the spell names out of CTRA, it won't have all the ones I need, but it would be a start |
| 04:00.15 | GenNMX|Thrae | I can think of a few complicated ways to make it localization-free (like using an algorithmn to determine what each spell is once and saving the results), but an easy way would be to ask the user to tell you the names. |
| 04:00.21 | GenNMX|Thrae | Or you could do that. |
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| 04:01.25 | Esamynn | there really isn't any way to make it localisation free because I pull the spell details on highs and lows out of the spell book each time SPELLS_CHANGED fires |
| 04:01.52 | Miravlix | wow.exe might be able to communicate localization free, but when it converts it to lua we need localization. |
| 04:01.54 | GenNMX|Thrae | I like complicated addons -- hence why I never actually *produce* anything... |
| 04:02.29 | GenNMX|Thrae | wow.exe is just a small application, Miravlix. |
| 04:02.52 | GenNMX|Thrae | s/addons/algorithmns/ for my previous statement. purl, don't quote me. |
| 04:03.31 | Miravlix | Take a simply thing like Attack, how will you find that spell in the book? |
| 04:03.53 | Miravlix | It's sorted by name, so you can never depend on the location from language to language. |
| 04:04.04 | Esamynn | define complicated Thare ;) |
| 04:04.07 | GenNMX|Thrae | Esamynn: Right, and there's an algorithmn for how each spell grows and changes based on rank, +healing, and talents. |
| 04:04.32 | GenNMX|Thrae | Miravlix: Texture, compare it to your weapon / form texture, or the unarmed texture. |
| 04:04.53 | Esamynn | I suppose, but thats a lot more complicated than is needed, and not as reliable unless you get it JUST right |
| 04:05.18 | GenNMX|Thrae | There's a perfect algorithmn for everything -- even life itself. |
| 04:05.35 | GenNMX|Thrae | It just may not be the most efficient thing to search out said algorithmn ;) |
| 04:05.50 | Esamynn | ahh, you're one of those people ;) |
| 04:05.52 | GenNMX|Thrae | My, I need a grammar-tightening algorithmn right there. |
| 04:06.38 | Esamynn | hmm CTRA has all the names I need except for Renew, Power Word: Shield and Rejuvination |
| 04:07.48 | GenNMX|Thrae | Esamynn: Has Benecast been localized? |
| 04:07.59 | Esamynn | I take it back, it even has Power Word: Shield |
| 04:08.01 | Esamynn | hmm, no idea |
| 04:08.06 | Esamynn | I should check |
| 04:08.37 | Miravlix | Ugh, Thrae's confused me |
| 04:08.39 | Esamynn | doesn't look like it |
| 04:08.41 | Miravlix | Just use textures |
| 04:08.46 | Miravlix | It works perfectly |
| 04:08.53 | Miravlix | And it NOT complicated |
| 04:09.10 | Miravlix | Using textures is way simpler than names |
| 04:09.27 | GenNMX|Thrae | Miravlix: I thought there were some duplicates across classes? |
| 04:09.29 | Esamynn | I suppose I could scan by texture, but I don't trust that textures will be guaranteed to not be reused |
| 04:09.34 | Cide | it has renew & rejuv too |
| 04:09.41 | Esamynn | where Cide? |
| 04:09.52 | Esamynn | nm |
| 04:09.53 | Cide | localization.fr.lua/localization.de.lua |
| 04:09.55 | Esamynn | grep FTW |
| 04:09.58 | Cide | CT_RA_RENEW, CT_RA_REJUVENATION |
| 04:10.07 | Esamynn | yep, found them :) |
| 04:10.12 | Esamynn | wasn't expecting them |
| 04:10.20 | Miravlix | Cosmos uses textures all over these days with no problems |
| 04:10.36 | Cide | there are textures for all icons in ctra as well |
| 04:11.02 | Esamynn | as I said Miravlix, I don't trust that the textures will be only used for the spell I want |
| 04:11.14 | Esamynn | with names, I'm 100% certain I've got the spell I want |
| 04:11.20 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yeah, but if Group Heal has options for enabling/disabling certain spells from showing up, it will need localized names. |
| 04:11.32 | Miravlix | actually the texture is named based on the spell |
| 04:11.33 | GenNMX|Thrae | I think in the case of support and healing spells, it should be OK with just textures. |
| 04:11.53 | Miravlix | INV_Fishing_01 is fishingrod |
| 04:11.58 | Esamynn | there is that word "should" I don't like it ;) |
| 04:12.04 | Miravlix | INV_FISHING_02 is another fishing rod |
| 04:12.18 | GenNMX|Thrae | True, how like UnitBuff() returns a texture name, not the localized name of the buff. |
| 04:12.31 | Esamynn | Thrae: yes, but if I was willing to go with textures, I could get the names the same way I get the other information ;) |
| 04:13.03 | Esamynn | oh hey, Cide, got a minute? |
| 04:13.10 | Miravlix | Be carefull of UnitBuff |
| 04:13.19 | Miravlix | It's not compatible with PlayerBuff |
| 04:13.43 | Cide | yeah? |
| 04:13.49 | Miravlix | UnitBuff buff sort order is not the same as PlayerBuffs order |
| 04:14.42 | Miravlix | We had a bug in IsMounted due to that, have to use PlayerBuff lookup for self. |
| 04:14.54 | Esamynn | Cide: nm, sorry I was going to ask you do make a minor change to CT_RABossMods, but its fine, |
| 04:15.47 | Cide | okay, if you say so :) |
| 04:15.57 | Cide | I don't mind helping out with improvements to it |
| 04:16.23 | zeeg | ctprofiles is the devil! |
| 04:16.35 | Cide | indeed |
| 04:16.40 | Cide | I hear it eats children |
| 04:16.57 | Miravlix | As long as it's orc children |
| 04:16.58 | zeeg | Cide, thats harsh making me work to improve mine |
| 04:16.59 | zeeg | im lazy |
| 04:17.09 | Esamynn | yah, for some reason I thought you were calling CT_RABoss_LoadMods() before the VARIABLES_LOADED, but thats when you call it, so I can get my addon to insert its changes between the time CT_RA loads and then |
| 04:17.18 | Cide | competition is good |
| 04:17.24 | zeeg | that it is |
| 04:17.27 | zeeg | but alla is enough IMO :P |
| 04:17.29 | zeeg | bastards |
| 04:17.39 | zeeg | alla isnt the same as ours, i gues yours isnt really either |
| 04:17.46 | Esamynn | Cide: I've been planning a complete re-work of CT_RABossMods that I think you will like, but I' |
| 04:17.49 | Cide | CTP is superior to alla in regards to profiles, even if I'm pretty biased! |
| 04:17.50 | Esamynn | I |
| 04:17.54 | Esamynn | arg |
| 04:17.57 | Cide | haha |
| 04:18.01 | zeeg | Cide, maybe with what it covers so far, i do like how its setup |
| 04:18.04 | Esamynn | I'm having trouble finding the time to work onit |
| 04:18.07 | zeeg | but it has some areas its lacking |
| 04:18.07 | Esamynn | damn fingers |
| 04:18.09 | GenNMX|Thrae | No one is superior to Alla, INFIDELS!!!!! |
| 04:18.09 | zeeg | and doesnt hold as much info |
| 04:18.15 | Cide | true |
| 04:18.21 | Cide | we're working on some improvements |
| 04:18.26 | Cide | but then again |
| 04:18.32 | Cide | allakhazam isn't really a profile site |
| 04:18.35 | zeeg | mines superior, but it offers a different type of system |
| 04:18.36 | zeeg | ya it isnt |
| 04:18.43 | zeeg | wowguru isnt its more of a stats site |
| 04:18.45 | Cide | more like a wow database with a profile feature |
| 04:18.58 | zeeg | i have census info etc though |
| 04:19.10 | zeeg | its just not active |
| 04:19.26 | GenNMX|Thrae | I guess I was the only one with muslims on the brain when I read Cide's comment... |
| 04:19.39 | Cide | haha |
| 04:20.18 | Esamynn | guess so |
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| 04:23.36 | Tain | Yay allakhazam! |
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| 04:24.30 | Tain | I like Allakhazam's profiles simply because they link it into the rest of their DB for simple checking of comparisons of current profile equip. |
| 04:25.35 | Cide | allakhazam is by no means bad, I've used it daily since I started playing :) |
| 04:25.49 | Cide | and I still do, I might add! |
| 04:25.54 | Cide | but now, I need to sleep |
| 04:26.00 | Cide | good night everyone |
| 04:26.08 | Cairenn | night Cide, sweet dreams |
| 04:26.13 | Esamynn | night Cide |
| 04:26.31 | GenNMX|Thrae | Don't let the Americans bite, Cide. |
| 04:26.32 | Cide | sweet dreams Cairenn (whenever you crazy north-americans go to sleep!) |
| 04:26.38 | Cide | I'll try, GenNMX|Thrae |
| 04:26.43 | Cide | night |
| 04:28.43 | Nomad_Wanderer | I've gone and removed myself from LFg... What's LFG's name, so I can readd myself? |
| 04:28.57 | Nomad_Wanderer | This is a /join chatCHannel question BTW :) |
| 04:29.22 | Shadowd | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:29.31 | Nomad_Wanderer | Thanks |
| 05:04.20 | Shadowd | hmm, is it at all possible to get the status of a binding? Like if it's currently being held down VS released? |
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| 05:10.06 | Cairenn | hey slouken |
| 05:10.37 | Tain | Hi ya slouken |
| 05:11.01 | Shadowd | ah nevermind turns out the wiki had the answer |
| 05:11.39 | Tain | A commerical just told me and I feel I should share with everyone. High blood pressure can lead to eretctile disfunction. |
| 05:12.03 | slouken | Hey Tain. :) |
| 05:12.17 | Shadowd | Some of the emails I get tell me that can be prevented, I can forward you them if you want Tain |
| 05:12.34 | Tain | I've gotten many emails on the subject. |
| 05:12.53 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tain: NS |
| 05:12.53 | Tain | I'm still a little confused as to the supposed side effects of the medication. |
| 05:13.25 | Tain | "In the case of an erection lasting more than four hours you should contact a medical professional." |
| 05:13.33 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tain: Unless you're 50 or older, your high blood pressure is probably called by stress, and of course stress can hamper Mr. Winky. |
| 05:13.45 | Shadowd | That doesn't seem like a very good product if it needs a warning like that |
| 05:13.48 | GenNMX|Thrae | s/called/caused/. |
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| 05:13.59 | Tain | Sorry, I'm calling a partyline if I have an erection that lasts for more than four hours. |
| 05:14.04 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 05:14.07 | Shadowd | lol |
| 05:14.07 | GenNMX|Thrae | And if you're 50 or older, you've already entered Male Menapause. |
| 05:14.43 | Cairenn | ya know, I love that I can call someone a jackass on the forums and get away with it :p |
| 05:15.02 | Tain | Oh and to bring this back to WoW related.. uh.. G15 forever! |
| 05:15.40 | Tain | I've been waiting so long! |
| 05:15.40 | Guillotine | hehe |
| 05:15.51 | Cairenn | rofl, not that way :p |
| 05:16.00 | GenNMX|Thrae | Wait, aren't all the people playing too much WoW already suffering from some type of dysfunction, perhaps erectile related? |
| 05:16.06 | Cairenn | as in, backhand upside the brainpan |
| 05:16.20 | Shadowd | If they're playing WoW they probably wont even have to worry about it. |
| 05:16.25 | GenNMX|Thrae | I mean, that's definately when *I* start playing too much WoW... |
| 05:16.26 | Guillotine | I found a GIANT exploit |
| 05:16.34 | Guillotine | you can enchant lower level weapons with higher enchantments :/ |
| 05:16.36 | Guillotine | hehe |
| 05:16.55 | ForgottenLords | Gah... so frustrating and relieving at the same time when you update your UI mod... |
| 05:16.56 | Shadowd | It's not like it would effect twink BG's a lot |
| 05:16.59 | GenNMX|Thrae | Guillotine: It's called Twinking -- the old EQ developers made sure it worked properly when they joined the team. |
| 05:17.13 | Shadowd | The trick is to roll a hunter Guillotine |
| 05:17.15 | Guillotine | I know what it is :P I do it all the time |
| 05:17.23 | Guillotine | Shadowd: have one |
| 05:17.31 | Shadowd | That way you own all of the crusader twinked Rogues and Warriors. Nothing like killing a crusader twinked 2h warrior :D |
| 05:17.33 | Guillotine | was 19 twink for a while, going up to 29 twink |
| 05:18.53 | GenNMX|Thrae | WoW 0.5 Alpha Design Docs, Enchanting Pre-Implement Section, paragraph 15.a -- "We repeat, enchanting must be designed so that massive twinking does not occur." |
| 05:19.06 | Guillotine | lol |
| 05:19.50 | GenNMX|Thrae | WoW 1.10 Final Design Docs, Enchanting Section, paragraph 13.b -- "We repeat, enchanting must be balanced so that twinking is favourable to keep our playerbase as static as possible. New players will just ignore PvP until things become more even." |
| 05:20.10 | Guillotine | so how do you know if something is considered an exploit and you shouldn't do it? |
| 05:20.20 | Shadowd | When a GM bans you |
| 05:20.25 | Guillotine | nice |
| 05:20.32 | Guillotine | yay for instant flights! |
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| 05:20.37 | GenNMX|Thrae | Guillotine: Yep, that's Blizzard's policy! |
| 05:20.57 | GenNMX|Thrae | If they haven't announced it, then it's up to each individual GM's discretion if a particular action is exploitative |
| 05:21.21 | GenNMX|Thrae | Think of a GM as a "local court" and Blizzard as the "Supreme Court" |
| 05:21.25 | Shrubber | I get to decide what's an exploit or not, actually. You may not know that. |
| 05:21.34 | Shadowd | Since when do GM's actually follow standard Blizzard rules of whats an exploit and whats not? |
| 05:21.57 | Guillotine | well, I was suspended for whispering myself once >_< |
| 05:21.57 | GenNMX|Thrae | Shadowd: They do, we just don't know the real rules. |
| 05:22.12 | GenNMX|Thrae | Guillotine: Were you cursing at yourself? |
| 05:22.14 | Guillotine | ok, so I spoofed a GM message. but it was to myself! |
| 05:22.20 | Shadowd | omgbanned |
| 05:22.48 | GenNMX|Thrae | Now now, that's like smoking weed but "not inhaling" |
| 05:22.53 | Guillotine | if anybody wants to try PTR, now's the time. no que |
| 05:23.17 | Shrubber | If only the queue for un-intoxicated brain-cells were so small. |
| 05:25.56 | Shadowd | For Bindings.xml, does the Binding row for the code to execute only get called on keystate down and not up? |
| 05:26.19 | Shadowd | Guessing it is, but making sure I didn't screw something up first. |
| 05:27.15 | End | I think you can change when it gets called |
| 05:27.43 | End | you might want to check the FrameXML Bindings.xml, since it has a lot of examples :P |
| 05:27.45 | GenNMX|Thrae | Shrubber: Please, go ahead and invent the "Walk A Straight Line" input adapter! |
| 05:27.46 | Shadowd | Well right now i'm trying to get it when it's called on both key state down and up, but can't figure out how to change it to do both instead of only down :/ |
| 05:28.41 | Shadowd | Yep runOnUp="true" did the trick |
| 05:32.26 | Guillotine | whats the best pet for a 29 hunter twink? |
| 05:32.42 | Shadowd | Honestly, I would say it makes no difference. |
| 05:32.47 | GenNMX|Thrae | Cat |
| 05:33.01 | Tain | Zheva |
| 05:33.11 | Shadowd | Half the time I don't use my pet because the AI has a habit of attacking other players that are CC'ed |
| 05:33.21 | Cairenn | I want a Zhevra! |
| 05:33.27 | Tain | You have to keep your pet on a short leash. |
| 05:33.31 | Shadowd | But yeah, Cat's are nice |
| 05:33.37 | Shadowd | Me or Cairenn Tain? :p |
| 05:33.40 | Tain | And if she doesn't like it, invest in a ball-gag. |
| 05:33.44 | GenNMX|Thrae | Shadowd: You must not be a BM Hunter |
| 05:33.49 | Shadowd | Of course not! |
| 05:34.01 | GenNMX|Thrae | Since ALL they need to do is use the pet ;) |
| 05:34.15 | Shadowd | Aimed Shot > BM at 29 |
| 05:34.18 | Tain | I don't see why you can't have a giraffe as a pet! It's discrimination! |
| 05:34.37 | Shadowd | Tain you should try getting a job at Blizzard, you could probably get them to make Giraffe tamable |
| 05:34.51 | Tain | ehn that sounds like work. |
| 05:34.54 | Esamynn | I think the most annoying part of localisation has to be that I can't test it properly :( |
| 05:35.05 | Shadowd | Not really |
| 05:35.07 | futr-sleep | I want to tame a loch frenzy |
| 05:35.18 | Cairenn | okay, hang on a sec here, how on earth did we manage to get around to putting me on a short leash with a ball gag?!?! |
| 05:35.19 | Shadowd | It's only work if you don't have fun |
| 05:35.24 | GenNMX|Thrae | Shadowd: But that doesn't work with a random 1 vs 1 debate, which should be how PvP should be balanced! |
| 05:35.34 | Esamynn | lol Cair |
| 05:35.38 | Tain | I can assure you that if it were up to me zhevas and giraffes would both be tamable. |
| 05:35.44 | Shadowd | Cairenn: Because it's Tain? |
| 05:35.48 | Tain | Not to mention critters. All critters. |
| 05:36.02 | futr-sleep | and all humanoids |
| 05:36.05 | Tain | I'm under no illusions that Cairenn is tamable. ;) |
| 05:36.06 | Cairenn | but, but, huh? |
| 05:36.08 | Shadowd | GenNMX|Thrae: Well considering 99% of what I do is PVP in WSG my job is mostly to chain trap Rogues, and run the flag :p |
| 05:37.03 | GenNMX|Thrae | Hunters running the flag means that a) you are heavily twinked compared to the rest of your raid or b) your teammates are idiots |
| 05:37.10 | Shadowd | Actually no |
| 05:37.25 | Shadowd | My gear is basically BOE greens, and BOE blues that I could buy for 5g. |
| 05:37.33 | Shadowd | Enchants are all low level stuff |
| 05:37.51 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well, or c) you have no competent Mages, Druids, Shamans, Rogues, or Warriors |
| 05:37.58 | Tain | Really it's not like player skill has any effect on any part of the game. |
| 05:37.59 | Shadowd | GenNMX|Thrae: I'm Alliance, taht should answer it :p |
| 05:38.05 | Shadowd | s/taht/that/ |
| 05:39.00 | Esamynn | lol, making the bot do the work for you huh? :P |
| 05:39.01 | Shadowd | Basically it's all pugs, and most of the people are idiots. Since I've done this 50 billion times in the 60 brackets 20-29 are pretty easy tatic wise, and as long as you know when to switch cheetah off you can do a lot more then a Warrior, Rogue or Druid can. |
| 05:39.22 | Tain | See people, people are dumb. |
| 05:39.22 | Tem | WOOOOOT |
| 05:39.28 | Tem | Frostbolt Rank XI |
| 05:39.30 | Shadowd | What'd you get tem? |
| 05:39.37 | GenNMX|Thrae | In the classes best suited to running the flag (if played competently), I believe it is Shaman > Druid > Rogues > Mages > Warriors > Hunters > Priests |
| 05:39.42 | Tain | That sounds like Progress Quest to me. |
| 05:39.55 | ckknight | GenNMX|Thrae, at what level? |
| 05:40.06 | Shadowd | ckknight: 20-29 |
| 05:40.09 | ckknight | okay |
| 05:40.10 | ckknight | yea |
| 05:40.14 | ckknight | at 10-19, it's different |
| 05:40.23 | ckknight | Priests would be higher in the chain |
| 05:40.25 | GenNMX|Thrae | ckknight: 20 - 59 |
| 05:40.34 | Tain | But 10-19 only lasts about fifteen minutes to get through. |
| 05:40.35 | ckknight | cause Shaman and Druid don't have their speed buffs |
| 05:40.41 | ckknight | yea |
| 05:40.44 | Shadowd | Warriors are crap at running the flag without healing support, and in pugs you can't count on healing support |
| 05:41.09 | Esamynn | in PUGs you can count on NOT getting healing support |
| 05:41.15 | Shadowd | Mages and Rogues are easy to counter with well timed traps and doing jump shots while running to conc them. Also using your pet helps counter enemy hunters from catching up to you. |
| 05:41.33 | GenNMX|Thrae | Shadowd: Smart Warriors use Charge on enemy players to warp across the map |
| 05:41.43 | GenNMX|Thrae | It can be very effective if the enemy is in the right positions |
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| 05:41.48 | Shadowd | Not really |
| 05:42.05 | Shadowd | It relies on to many things and can only be done every 30 seconds, and the chances of you being out of combat while running the flag without any speed buffs is pretty low. |
| 05:42.09 | Tain | It's smart warrior an oxymoron? |
| 05:42.39 | GenNMX|Thrae | Shadowd: I think you just haven't found real competition. At 20-29 I bet you're up against twinks or idiots, and twinks don't need tricks to get ahead. |
| 05:43.09 | Shadowd | GenNMX|Thrae: I've played in more brackets then just 20-29, so it's not like I havn't played against competition before. |
| 05:43.29 | Tain | Look, "competition" is a BS term. A tiny percentage of people who play this game have any actual intellgence behind what they do. |
| 05:43.37 | Shadowd | Tain speaks the truth |
| 05:43.42 | Tain | The rest is just throwing bodies out there. |
| 05:43.50 | GenNMX|Thrae | I can say, I've played maybe 5 games out of hundreds where the sides were actually even in skill and gear. |
| 05:43.51 | Esamynn | Tain speaks the sad sad truth :( |
| 05:44.20 | Tain | That's why I for one never, ever play with PUGs. |
| 05:44.21 | Tain | Period. |
| 05:44.23 | Shadowd | I consider twinks competition just because they're hard to kill so it's not like it's just some stupid 20 druid moonfiring you that you can 3 shot, it's a "crusader twinked warrior who can 3 shot you if you don't pull something off" |
| 05:44.53 | Tain | The tiny amount of time you will get a good PUG does not come anywhere near offsetting the frustration and anger you'll get the rest of the time. |
| 05:44.59 | GenNMX|Thrae | Shadowd: I consider some twinks nigh-impossible to kill 1v1. |
| 05:45.12 | Shadowd | GenNMX|Thrae: Which is why I don't try killing them, I try to out smart them |
| 05:45.18 | Esamynn | Tain: thus why I gave up on WSG entirely, I can still stand AB a little |
| 05:45.20 | Tain | Twinks is also, in my opinion, a BS term. |
| 05:45.31 | Cairenn | I hate P/U groups |
| 05:46.01 | Shadowd | Tain: level 29 warrior, Crusader, +100 HP Head/Chest/Feet, +run speed boots, +7 AGI gloves, +9 STA bracers, best level 20-29 BOE blue gear money can buy. What would you call that? |
| 05:46.03 | Esamynn | I just badger my guild members until they agree to help me out when I need agroup ;) |
| 05:46.03 | Tain | With level limited equipment there's no difference whether someone has "earned" their equipment with that character or not. |
| 05:46.28 | Tain | All it takes is gold, Shadowd. And that's easy to get if you want to. |
| 05:46.53 | Shadowd | True, but the majority of the people either don't have the time or the gold to do that or they're just playing a few games for fun before leveling to 60. |
| 05:47.04 | Tain | That doesn't really matter. |
| 05:47.11 | Tain | Anyone *can* do it. |
| 05:47.14 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tain: Your analogy works if the comparison is between players without Level 60s, or both have Level 60s. |
| 05:47.45 | Tain | No, people whine about being poor and it's nonsense to me. Gold is easy to get at any level if you want to take the time to make money. |
| 05:47.57 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tain: So, because anyone *can* become rich in real life, it's their fault if they're not? |
| 05:47.57 | Tain | It's the same as anythign else, it takes an effort. |
| 05:48.03 | Tain | I dont' remember saying that. |
| 05:48.17 | Shadowd | It's easier to say twink then "a guy who spent hundreds of gold to make a god mode character" anyway |
| 05:48.20 | Tain | I said it's not up to you to hold it against someone else if they do choose to make money at an lower level. |
| 05:48.31 | GenNMX|Thrae | A Level 60 character can become "rich" a hell of a lot faster then a Level 20. You can take an hour to get 5 gold, where that same hour nets you 30-50 gold with a Level 60. |
| 05:48.56 | Tain | When that's the case I still say, "So what?" |
| 05:48.57 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tain: Almost all twinks have a Level 60 on the same server. |
| 05:49.23 | GenNMX|Thrae | Or at least a Level 40+ |
| 05:49.24 | Tain | It's baseless whining in my opinion. Oh so and so bought some armor in the AH that I could have, but didn't. Woe is me. |
| 05:49.56 | Tain | If you could equip a level 1 with level 60 gear it *could* be a different story. |
| 05:50.00 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tain: It would be faster to actually level up to Level 50+ then it would be to buy all the stuff a Level 50 can. |
| 05:50.22 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Qzot (n=esnickel@ip-66-80-2-118.dsl.sca.megapath.net) |
| 05:50.24 | GenNMX|Thrae | Not counting smart AH price gouging |
| 05:50.33 | Tain | Faster is irrelevant, it only matters where someoen decides to put their efforts. |
| 05:50.52 | Qzot | Buenath diath. |
| 05:50.54 | GenNMX|Thrae | No, it matters if people have FUN or not. |
| 05:51.08 | Tain | You can choose to level as quickly as possible, you can choose to make money as quickly as possible. They are related, but not necessarily dependant on each other. |
| 05:51.25 | GenNMX|Thrae | It's not fun when you're a new player and want to experience organized PvP, but can't unless you spend 5 hours a day farming money or favours. |
| 05:51.37 | Tain | So if someone "twinks" and have fun doing that, it's ok. |
| 05:52.01 | Qzot | Hmm. Did I come in in the middle of a religious discussion? |
| 05:52.03 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tain: Except that making money is exponentionally harder to a new player then raising levels. |
| 05:52.33 | Cairenn | grrrrrrrrr |
| 05:52.34 | GenNMX|Thrae | Most players don't learn good money-making tips until their later levels, say 40+ |
| 05:52.45 | Tain | I understand the point you're trying ot make, I just don't think it actually makes any differnce in reality. |
| 05:53.08 | Qzot | I think I really understood the AH at level 20. |
| 05:53.13 | Qzot | My 5th level 20, tho. |
| 05:53.27 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tain: Actually, I think reality parallels this game world nicely. |
| 05:53.54 | Tain | A wise guildmate of mine once said. "There's a name for those who sell everything they find to NPC vendors. Broke." |
| 05:53.55 | ckknight | lousy inheritance... |
| 05:53.57 | Shadowd | Qzt |
| 05:54.02 | Shadowd | err |
| 05:54.07 | Qzot | Shdowd? |
| 05:54.15 | Shadowd | Qzot: Tain and GenNMX|Thrae are arguing what makes a twink a twink or something like that |
| 05:54.27 | Qzot | Ooo. Sounds fun! |
| 05:54.32 | Tain | I'm afraid I find almost no parallels to reality in WoW. |
| 05:54.42 | Qzot | What are the current definitions in contention? |
| 05:54.56 | GenNMX|Thrae | In reality, we have the "poor", who are many times less educated and priviledged then the "rich". The rich have financial backing to take educated risks to make even more money, while the poor has no such recourse. And the rich can pay for great schools and a healthy environment, while the poor must take whatever free schooling is provided, if at all. |
| 05:55.31 | Tain | And to that I say, "Society is a weak excuse for a man." |
| 05:56.11 | Tain | There's people who lament and wallow in their position, and there's those who don't use it as a liability. |
| 05:56.44 | GenNMX|Thrae | In WoW, we have the "newbies" and the "highbies". The newbies are always less educated about the game then the highbies, since they haven't played it as long (if at all). The highbies have financial baking to make far better equipped new characters then a new player can ever hope to do in near the same time frame. And highbies mingle with other highbies, a good source of information -- newbies don't necessarily have that 1on1 |
| 05:56.56 | ckknight | and there are those who pretend to be victims merely to reap the rewards |
| 05:57.10 | Tain | The only problem with that argument is the fact that you hear level 60s whine all the time about bein broke. |
| 05:57.24 | Tain | Hell you hear it in here anytime it's brought up. |
| 05:57.28 | Qzot | Genthra: Where do you categorize an experienced player on a new server? |
| 05:57.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tain: Saying you're a victim of society is one thing, saying the problem with society isn't there is another thing. |
| 05:57.39 | GenNMX|Thrae | When did I ever say these problems were the ONLY problems with people? |
| 05:58.01 | Tain | I maintain that WoW has a meaningless death penalty. Everytime I say it others raise up in arms about how much money it costs them. |
| 05:58.18 | Tain | I think respecs cost so little as to be frivilous. |
| 05:58.21 | GenNMX|Thrae | Of course, if you're a rich idiot, then there's a good chance you'll become poor, and you're a poor genius, there's a good chance you can become rich. |
| 05:58.25 | Tain | I get the same response. |
| 05:58.38 | GenNMX|Thrae | But that doesn't exclude the trials society already puts on people! |
| 05:59.01 | GenNMX|Thrae | Most poor people are NOT poor just because they are "inferior" to the upper classes! |
| 05:59.15 | Tain | Nope, people are poor because they accept that station in life. |
| 05:59.17 | Esamynn | Tain: you won't ever hear me say the death penalty is too light or that repsecs are too expensive |
| 05:59.30 | Esamynn | too heavy i mean |
| 06:00.27 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tain, I think that is a poor grasp of the role society plays in the human equation. |
| 06:00.42 | Tain | That's an invalid assessment. |
| 06:00.51 | Tain | Youc an think it's an incorrect opinion. |
| 06:01.22 | Esamynn | back in a bit |
| 06:01.24 | End | stupid server lag...fighting the baron and suddenly everyone is missing a chunk of health. turns out someone became the bomb and noone even knew it because the server lagged |
| 06:01.43 | Tain | Someone set them up the bomb. |
| 06:01.49 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well, considering that "facts" are what is backed by majority rule in science, I believe your statement is "incorrect". |
| 06:01.53 | End | Blizzard set us up the bomb! |
| 06:02.24 | Tain | Of course I don't see the science you're alleging anywhere, which is why I say it's all opinion and conjecture. |
| 06:02.36 | Codayus | GenNMX|Thrae: Facts are majority rule? |
| 06:02.50 | Codayus | I'm sorry, but I just lost all respect for your argument. |
| 06:02.54 | ForgottenLords | omg... I hate horde |
| 06:02.59 | Codayus | Science isn't consensus. |
| 06:03.07 | Codayus | And real scientists don't think it is. |
| 06:03.11 | Tain | There are studies for both sides of the "nature verses nurture" argument that will allege anything anyone likes. |
| 06:04.02 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tain: Psychology isn't a science? |
| 06:04.02 | Cairenn | kjafklajsdflkasjrpoq7uhjask;hf |
| 06:04.10 | Tain | I personally like to stick with my opinion of it. Suck it up and make something of yourself if you want to. Otherwise your energy is wasted. |
| 06:04.13 | Codayus | Not really, no. |
| 06:04.20 | GenNMX|Thrae | Codayus: If all scientists thought the world was flat, wouldn't that be the "fact"? |
| 06:04.27 | Tain | Ah. No. |
| 06:04.42 | Gryphon | 'thought' no |
| 06:04.54 | GenNMX|Thrae | s/thought/proved/ |
| 06:05.10 | Tain | And anyone who thinks psychology is science has obvioulsy never been to see a psychologist. :) |
| 06:05.20 | Codayus | You are proving you don't understand what science is. |
| 06:05.40 | Tain | It's an ongoing series of trials and errors, is all. |
| 06:06.15 | Codayus | Or even what the words "prove" or "fact" mean... |
| 06:06.15 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tain: And science isn't? |
| 06:06.40 | GenNMX|Thrae | Codayus: And you're losing credibility to me by attacking my words instead of trying to prove them wrong. |
| 06:07.09 | Tain | Science is a methodology. I think it becomes less of a "hard" line when you start entering into the differences in people. |
| 06:07.30 | ckknight | "Dave lay in the darkness and thought about life. He had learned early on that he would never truly understand anything. The best he could hope for was a working misunderstanding. Through careful refinement, a working misunderstanding might actually lead to successful predictions. This, as he understood it, was called science." |
| 06:07.50 | GenNMX|Thrae | In fact, this entire conversation has gotten off-topic. It was about the effects of society, now it's about definitions, and I detest arguments on definitions, so I will cease arguments on that subject. |
| 06:07.56 | Tain | I just don't think science is an exact science. ;) |
| 06:08.24 | GenNMX|Thrae | s/so I will cease arguments/so I will cease arguing/. |
| 06:08.47 | Codayus | <shrug> You ask if it would be a fact that the world was flat if "all scientists proved" that it was. The question is so completely meaningless, as phrased, that all I can do is point out the errors in your usage. |
| 06:09.18 | GenNMX|Thrae | Codayus: Then, by all means, point out what logical errors I made. |
| 06:10.25 | Tain | Just to sum up my main points: There's little "skill" in the game, anyone can make money at any level if they put the effort in, and society is a weak excuse for someone's situation. |
| 06:10.43 | Codayus | A) that isn't science. B) Numbers are meaningless. C) You can't prove anything in the sense that you're using the word. D) If you could, then it would be a fact by definition. |
| 06:11.09 | GenNMX|Thrae | Codayus: Your usage of "as phrased" makes me think that you know what I was "trying to say". |
| 06:11.36 | Tain | I also like to "put words in quotes" to make them "stand out" |
| 06:11.38 | GenNMX|Thrae | Or, at least have a well-enough guess. |
| 06:12.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tain: Sometimes I don't phrase things well enough for people. The usage of quotes is an indicator of a time where I feel my words may be taken out of their intended context. |
| 06:13.10 | Tain | Ah dont' worry GenNMX|Thrae, that was just me being a dick for no good reason. |
| 06:13.27 | Cairenn | well, stop it :p |
| 06:13.31 | Codayus | Nope, I couldn't even begin to guess what you meant. My best guess was that you were arguing that a tautology was false, which I assume you wearn't. |
| 06:13.39 | Tain | Ok. I'm going to sleep. :) |
| 06:13.58 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yes, that was the context I got ;) |
| 06:16.41 | GenNMX|Thrae | Codayus: My definition of fact doesn't include it being always true, am I incorrect? Something that is a proven fact now may be disproven later (again, using a definition of true that doesn't have these guidelines). |
| 06:18.43 | GenNMX|Thrae | Again, this is why I dislike arguing over definitions, which are, themselves, determined by consensus. |
| 06:20.15 | Codayus | Erm, well...when you say fact, what do you mean? Are we discussing observations or theories? |
| 06:20.50 | Codayus | Obervations don't get disproven. You dropped the ball, it fell. What that MEANS is a theory. |
| 06:20.55 | Codayus | And theories don't get proven. :-) |
| 06:21.42 | Codayus | The best you can say is a theory accounts for all the observations you've made...so far. |
| 06:23.03 | GenNMX|Thrae | But what we observe may not be the underlying reality. |
| 06:24.13 | Codayus | There's a couple ways you might mean that. |
| 06:24.42 | Codayus | If you mean "what we observe may not be fully accurate" then that's right, but not really a problem. As we get better and more accurate measurements, we refine the theory. |
| 06:25.43 | Codayus | Newton's theory of gravity explained everything we saw up until, I dunno, 1920 maybe? Give or take a couple decades. Then we made more accurate measurements and made a better theory. |
| 06:25.54 | GenNMX|Thrae | It may not only be not fully accurate, it could be completely wrong with the underlying reality. |
| 06:26.13 | GenNMX|Thrae | Wait, that's mincing words, sorry. |
| 06:26.46 | GenNMX|Thrae | So, you say facts can only be obtained through observed behavior? |
| 06:27.33 | GenNMX|Thrae | IE, such an event has happened. |
| 06:29.25 | GenNMX|Thrae | But can't we link facts to make a cause-effect relationship, and these themselves (assuming the logic is good) are facts? |
| 06:30.14 | GenNMX|Thrae | Of course, theories that don't result in anything observable by any means shouldn't be facts. |
| 06:34.16 | Codayus | But the original measurements wearn't "wrong" and wearn't "disproven". |
| 06:34.22 | Codayus | Sorry, got attacked by syndicate assasins. |
| 06:34.36 | GenNMX|Thrae | CoH? |
| 06:34.44 | Codayus | WoW. In SouthSHore |
| 06:35.11 | GenNMX|Thrae | Oh yeah. |
| 06:36.24 | GenNMX|Thrae | Codayus: Ideally that would be the case, but how could you explain such a situation to the average person without saying "they were wrong because we understand it better now". |
| 06:36.53 | Codayus | You keep confusing the words "fact" and "theory" in ways that don't really make sense to me. |
| 06:38.13 | GenNMX|Thrae | Codayus: How so? All I've said recently is that theories are not facts. |
| 06:38.15 | Codayus | A theory, in the scientific sense, must allow you to make falsifiable predictions. If you can't use it to make predictions which you can test, then it isn't a theory. |
| 06:39.15 | ckknight | typically facts are based on postulates, which are not very strong |
| 06:41.09 | GenNMX|Thrae | ckknight: Except that by definition, that shouldn't be a fact. |
| 06:43.45 | GenNMX|Thrae | Codayus: Right, that's what I was trying to say. Facts should be something that's always true, while theories are something which must be proven true. |
| 06:45.18 | Codayus | Erm, not sure if I share your defintion of fact... |
| 06:45.41 | Codayus | And certainly a theory can never be "proven" true if we're being relatively strict with the use of language. |
| 06:46.03 | Codayus | Either it fits all current observations or it doesn't. And we never know when a theory in the first category willl move to the second. |
| 06:46.29 | GenNMX|Thrae | Codayus: That's what I got from what you said, let me re-read. |
| 06:47.40 | GenNMX|Thrae | "Either it fits all current observations or it doesn't. And we never know when a theory in the first category willl move to the second." <-- is this your definition of fact? |
| 06:47.57 | GenNMX|Thrae | Or, a distinguishment of fact from theory? |
| 06:49.19 | Codayus | What's a "fact"? |
| 06:49.37 | Codayus | I know what observations are, but I wouldn't call them facts if I was trying to be accurate. |
| 06:49.45 | Codayus | And I know what theories are, but I would never call them facts. |
| 06:50.08 | Gryphon | make it stop... |
| 06:50.08 | GenNMX|Thrae | Codayus: That's what this entire argument was about! |
| 06:50.30 | Cairenn | right there with ya, Gryph |
| 06:50.34 | Codayus | Right. And my original point, which I have maintained throughout, is that there isn't really such a thing as a fact, at least as you seem to be using it. |
| 06:50.38 | Codayus | Erm... |
| 06:50.50 | Codayus | You know, a whole "theory of science" discussion *might* be offtopic here... |
| 06:50.54 | Codayus | ...come to think of it... |
| 06:50.58 | Codayus | Sorry Cairenn. :-( |
| 06:51.18 | Cairenn | OT is fine, no objection, not the first nor the last |
| 06:51.23 | Codayus | Heh |
| 06:51.25 | GenNMX|Thrae | Codayus: "Something demonstrated or known to exist" or "Something believed to be true or real" are dictionary definitions of the word "fact" |
| 06:51.57 | Cairenn | just you guys are making the rest of us drool out the corner of our mouths :p |
| 06:51.57 | GenNMX|Thrae | My initial argument was that the word "fact" is a loaded word. |
| 06:51.58 | Cairenn | with a vacant stare |
| 06:52.38 | Cairenn | and the occasional twitch at the corner of our eyes |
| 06:52.59 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 06:53.17 | Codayus | <shrug> That may have been before I entered the argument. |
| 06:54.08 | GenNMX|Thrae | No, that was the entire point of my argument with you. It just seems the meaning was misconstrued, which I can only blame on myself because of my low self-esteem ;) |
| 06:54.15 | Codayus | My argument is that science doesn't deal with facts. It makes observations and creates theories which explain them. The observations cannot be "disproven". |
| 06:55.48 | Qzot | Wow. |
| 06:55.53 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yeah, I agree with that use of the language. All I've been arguing all along is that facts, by definition, can be disproven, even when they shouldn't. IE, it's a loaded word. |
| 06:56.13 | Qzot | I dipped back into Wowi-lounge, saw that I'd missed 2.5 pages of conversation. |
| 06:56.16 | GenNMX|Thrae | Most people associate the word facts with science when they shouldn't, or they should change the accepted definitions of the word. |
| 06:56.23 | Qzot | Fortunately, it was just philosophy. |
| 06:57.00 | Codayus | Facts have nothing to do with science. <shrug> |
| 06:57.44 | Codayus | But people misuse language very very badly when it comes to science |
| 06:58.59 | GenNMX|Thrae | Codayus: Well, except that the 1st definition of fact is "Knowledge or information based on real occurences". If we give that very broad definition the benefit of the doubt, you can see it can encompass science. |
| 07:00.01 | GenNMX|Thrae | But the other definition of facts don't have anything to do with science, they have to do with theory and consensus. |
| 07:00.32 | GenNMX|Thrae | Theory, consensus, and opinion. |
| 07:00.35 | Codayus | Dictionary definitions are largly irrelevent to a technical discussion. |
| 07:01.07 | GenNMX|Thrae | Except that my entire argument was about a dictionary definition... |
| 07:01.17 | Codayus | That defintion of fact kind of overlaps with the idea of expermimentla observations. |
| 07:02.26 | GenNMX|Thrae | When I said "I don't like to debate about definitions of words", and you continued to debate, I thought you were debating about my usage of the word "fact" |
| 07:03.51 | GenNMX|Thrae | When, "in fact, it seems" that you thought I didn't know what I was talking about. Which I think was incorrect -- I didn't know what *you* were talking about, which I take on myself as my error. |
| 07:04.12 | Codayus | I thought I was fairly clear... |
| 07:04.27 | Codayus | ...although trying to argue about philosophy while killing syndicate is a bit tricky... |
| 07:05.00 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yes, your argument was logically and grammatically sound, except it wasn't what *I* was debating... |
| 07:08.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | So I guess we demonstrated how silly arguments over the definition of a word are once again, and I reinforced my belief to never get into one. Next time, I'll ask specifically to make sure me and my opponent are on the same debate. |
| 07:09.08 | GenNMX|Thrae | So, I guess my initial mistake was just succumbing to what I thought was an opponent trying to debate a definition. |
| 07:10.58 | Codayus | I wasn't attempting to debate defintions, but rather to point out what appeared to be a misunderstanding in what you thought science was. |
| 07:11.20 | GenNMX|Thrae | Right. |
| 07:17.41 | Guillotine_ | g2g guys. gn :) |
| 07:17.47 | Cairenn | night Guillotine_ |
| 07:40.49 | *** join/#wowi-lounge slouken (n=Sam@ip68-5-42-243.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 07:45.37 | Tem | hey slouken |
| 07:45.47 | slouken | Heya |
| 07:45.47 | Tem | how was your week? |
| 07:47.46 | Codayus | ooh, a slouken. Hiya slouken |
| 07:47.52 | Qzot | Heyo, Slouken. |
| 07:48.10 | Qzot | Waughh!! Guillotine just left. :( |
| 07:48.41 | Codayus | Oh, hey, qzot - you're the PartyAims dev, right? |
| 07:49.23 | Qzot | ...yes? |
| 07:49.42 | Qzot | What's up? |
| 07:49.59 | Codayus | Been testing it a bit. Haven't had a chance to try it in a raid yet...seems to work well. Needs a couple tweaks I think... |
| 07:50.06 | Qzot | Uh oh. |
| 07:50.22 | Codayus | To work with non-stock player frames. |
| 07:50.28 | Qzot | I'm about to do a major re-release. And take it out of beta. You must be using an ancient version. |
| 07:50.46 | Codayus | I downloaded it about 3-4 days ago, I think, from WoWI. |
| 07:50.46 | Qzot | Yeah. Guillotine is having the same problem. I think he's using discord. |
| 07:50.51 | Codayus | Yep, same. |
| 07:50.55 | Qzot | As I said, ancient. |
| 07:51.02 | Codayus | It works, but it's missing the portrait for the first target. |
| 07:51.16 | Codayus | Cool...also had some ideas/thoughts about layouts. |
| 07:51.23 | Codayus | But I'll wait to see your new version then. |
| 07:52.03 | Qzot | If you can get me an email addy, I'll send you a pre-release version right now. Fully functional, but has extra logging and some rough edges. |
| 07:52.13 | Codayus | cody@chaos.net.nz |
| 07:52.17 | Qzot | sec |
| 07:54.12 | Codayus | Anyhow, general concept is good, and executions seems sound. |
| 07:58.30 | Qzot | Sent. |
| 07:58.31 | Qzot | ty |
| 07:58.47 | Qzot | I was just told the other night: "not useful |
| 07:58.55 | Qzot | Then, "no. useless" |
| 08:01.56 | Codayus | heh |
| 08:02.05 | Codayus | Well, it'd be useless if you only solo |
| 08:02.10 | Codayus | Probably useless in pvp, dunno |
| 08:02.29 | GenNMX|Thrae | I remember when some friend send me an email attachment called "Two Girls Hot Cum Threesome Sexx.zip" and said "Yeah this is the info you wanted, seriously, this isn't spam, I just don't know how to make new ZIPs or rename them" |
| 08:02.45 | Qzot | I suspect so. Probably need a disable in Pvp and disable in BG bit. I actually use it in BG, but distance is a problem. |
| 08:03.15 | Qzot | Lol. |
| 08:03.31 | Qzot | I seriously doubt that would get by a lot of spam filters these days. |
| 08:04.11 | GenNMX|Thrae | I was working at an ISP at the time, I had to allow it through our spam firewall |
| 08:04.27 | Qzot | mmHmm. Sure. Exactly. |
| 08:04.52 | GenNMX|Thrae | I made sure to scan it with like three virus scanners afterwards ;) |
| 08:05.19 | Qzot | ~8ball Did Thrae's superiors actually *believe* such a cockamamie story?? |
| 08:05.21 | purl | Sure. Yeah, exactly. |
| 08:05.28 | Qzot | Just like I said. |
| 08:06.16 | Qzot | ~8ball Will I ever tire of thinking up yes/no questions to ask of a random number generator? |
| 08:06.18 | purl | Unsure. |
| 08:06.50 | Qzot | ~8ball Will other people on the channel ever tire of me thinking up yes/no questions to ask of a random number generator? |
| 08:06.52 | purl | Unsure. |
| 08:07.04 | Qzot | Lol. |
| 08:07.33 | Qzot | ~8ball Have other people (past tense) already tired of me thinking up yes/no questions to ask of a random number generator? |
| 08:07.35 | purl | Please ask again. |
| 08:07.48 | Qzot | I ... um ... don't think that's safe. |
| 08:08.12 | Codayus | LOL |
| 08:08.49 | Cairenn | it's okay, I've fed recently |
| 08:08.55 | Qzot | Lol. |
| 08:09.43 | Qzot | I wonder what it would be like to have an Eliza-like purl. |
| 08:09.58 | Cairenn | disturbing |
| 08:10.25 | Qzot | Wonderfully disturbing. |
| 08:10.50 | Qzot | Stays quiet during heavy conversation, but tries to say something relevant at appropriate moments. |
| 08:11.09 | GenNMX|Thrae | You could make a bot script that emulates paranoia, thinking everyone in this channel hates their website, and randomly badmouths other websites. |
| 08:11.19 | Qzot | ~8ball Purl, does that sound like something you might enjoy? |
| 08:11.21 | purl | Absolutely. |
| 08:11.21 | Cairenn | lord no :p |
| 08:11.30 | Qzot | See? |
| 08:11.35 | GenNMX|Thrae | See, purl already wants to do it ;) |
| 08:12.31 | Qzot | Hey. Is that the first time you've whacked Purl with that thing? |
| 08:12.39 | GenNMX|Thrae | <@Cairenn> lord no :p -!- ForgottenLords [n=Forgotte@059.216-123-195-0.interbaun.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) |
| 08:12.54 | GenNMX|Thrae | You scolded him too harshly =( |
| 08:13.36 | Cairenn | blah |
| 08:14.17 | Qzot | Or, instead of making Purl smarter, we could agree when the 'next' person came on, that we would all respond in the manner of Purl. |
| 08:15.06 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yes Qzot, but how does that make you feel? |
| 08:15.15 | Qzot | Unsure. |
| 08:15.17 | Cairenn | anyway guys, sleep time for me |
| 08:15.24 | Qzot | Absolutely. |
| 08:15.27 | GenNMX|Thrae | I too like Unsure. |
| 08:16.22 | GenNMX|Thrae | Cairenn, good night. |
| 08:16.29 | Cairenn | sweet dreams all |
| 08:16.40 | Qzot | gn |
| 08:16.56 | GenNMX|Thrae | Qzot, how long have you gn? |
| 08:17.27 | Qzot | ?? |
| 08:17.37 | Qzot | I was saying 'gn' to Cairenn. |
| 08:20.04 | GenNMX|Thrae | Qzot: I was emulating a bad Eliza script ;) |
| 08:20.19 | Qzot | Oops. I didn't catch it. Hehe. |
| 08:20.31 | Qzot | Shows how confusing things could get. |
| 08:20.46 | Qzot | But tell me more about your family. |
| 08:21.24 | GenNMX|Thrae | Are you asking me out? |
| 08:22.53 | Qzot | How does asking you out make you feel? No, no! We must not go down this path. |
| 08:23.36 | GenNMX|Thrae | Bah, slouken didn't want to hear our Eliza interpretation. |
| 08:33.37 | WobRehearsal | How do you feel about your Eliza interpretation? |
| 08:37.11 | Qzot | Isn't there some converse to the 10 second rule? Like the one minute rule that says you have to log out within a minute of saying good night? |
| 08:37.41 | Qzot | So you don't scare the bejeebers out of people who think you aren't listening any more? |
| 08:38.42 | GenNMX|Thrae | Cairenn is one of those people that hangs around for about 5-10 minutes to make sure people don't talk about her behind her back ;) |
| 08:39.12 | Qzot | Oh, good. I won't be the only paranoid in the group. |
| 08:42.00 | Wobin_ | It's not paranoia if they're really out to get you |
| 08:42.50 | Qzot | Just because they're out to get you, doesn't mean you're not paranoid. |
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| 08:45.44 | Qzot | Any of you pretty proficient with draggable frames? I have an idea for how to make PartyAims draggable, but I'd prefer to think before whacking at the code. |
| 08:45.53 | Wobin_ | So what does it mean then =P |
| 08:46.33 | Qzot | It means that you can be paranoid *and* have people out to get you. |
| 08:48.34 | Wobin_ | no it doesn't =P |
| 08:48.50 | Wobin_ | You're saying you can have people out to get you and not be paranoid =P |
| 08:49.00 | Wobin_ | oh wait |
| 08:49.02 | Wobin_ | double negatives |
| 08:49.11 | Wobin_ | I hate double negatives badly |
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| 08:49.42 | Qzot | I don't dislike them, really. |
| 08:50.15 | KarlKFI | I DO! |
| 08:50.19 | KarlKFI | ...wait... what do I dislike? |
| 08:50.34 | GenNMX|Thrae | I do not dislike the converse of statements with reversed meaning then the opposite of negative statements. |
| 08:51.23 | Qzot | Sure. Yeah, exactly. |
| 08:51.33 | KarlKFI | so you dot like statements that mean the same as their inverse which is the same as their oppositte? |
| 08:52.11 | Qzot | No one here's a whiz at draggable frames?? |
| 08:52.32 | KarlKFI | I am a whiz at nothing. |
| 08:52.45 | KarlKFI | But I wrote MobileFrames if that helps. |
| 08:52.54 | Qzot | o.O |
| 08:53.09 | Qzot | How much preamble can you tolerate? |
| 08:53.20 | KarlKFI | that's enough |
| 08:53.30 | GenNMX|Thrae | If you are a whiz at nothing, then you are a whiz at something -- that being nothing. |
| 08:53.31 | KarlKFI | the answer is C |
| 08:53.35 | Qzot | Lol. |
| 08:53.47 | Qzot | Better than C++, I guess. |
| 08:53.57 | KarlKFI | eww |
| 08:53.57 | KarlKFI | BLOATED! |
| 08:54.26 | Qzot | Bloated, I don't mind so much as not being able to figure out WTF is coming from where. |
| 08:54.39 | KarlKFI | wtf is in your wow directory |
| 08:54.48 | Qzot | True enough. |
| 08:55.02 | Qzot | And well worth editing, too. |
| 08:55.06 | KarlKFI | ew |
| 08:55.43 | KarlKFI | zzzz |
| 08:56.22 | Qzot | Some time when you haven't eaten in a while, I'll tell you what I do with my Auctioneer saved variables... |
| 08:56.41 | Qzot | But anyway, draggable frames. |
| 08:57.39 | Qzot | PartyAims places lots of top-level frames on the screen, and anchors most of them to each other, but the first few it anchors to the pre-existing Target frame. |
| 08:58.22 | Qzot | It does weird things when people use an addon which turns off the standard target frame. |
| 08:58.46 | Qzot | So...solution rolling around in my head: |
| 08:59.06 | Qzot | Create a hidden frame of the same size and shape as the Target frame. |
| 08:59.26 | GenNMX|Thrae | I thought dragging was implemented by using <OnClick> and putting the frame at the current coordinates of the mouse? |
| 08:59.40 | Qzot | Enable dragging on *all* my frames. But when dragging starts, it's actually the hidden frame which is unhidden and dragged into a new location. |
| 08:59.58 | Qzot | There are at least 2 ways to implement dragging. |
| 09:00.20 | Qzot | (I'm just going from the wiki here.) |
| 09:00.26 | KarlKFI | hook the TargetFrame OnHide script and make te anchored frames free floating in their current positions |
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| 09:00.40 | GenNMX|Thrae | Wait, lemme stop there |
| 09:00.51 | GenNMX|Thrae | 4am, brain functioning at 5% capacity |
| 09:01.15 | GenNMX|Thrae | That 5% being langeye sjkuilz |
| 09:01.18 | Qzot | Free floating = no SetPoint? |
| 09:01.26 | GenNMX|Thrae | ...Make that 1% |
| 09:01.50 | Qzot | We couldn't tell that yor langeye sjkuilz where empared, Thray. |
| 09:02.40 | Qzot | KarlKFI: I don't understand your suggestion yet. |
| 09:03.43 | Qzot | KarlKFI: It's also possible that you aren't aware that I'm using my frames as an object pool, and move them all around, depending on what's happening in combat. |
| 09:03.44 | KarlKFI | get the current bottom and left and anchor to the UIParent BOTTOMLEFT |
| 09:04.23 | KarlKFI | ya, you lose... too complicated for karl with no sleep |
| 09:04.31 | Qzot | Aha. |
| 09:04.34 | KarlKFI | zzzzzz |
| 09:05.35 | Qzot | I think the key is that all the frames (there are 2 basic types) are intended to be relative to a target frame. I've been using the game's target frame, but I could just as well use my own. |
| 09:06.25 | KarlKFI | this thread is uber: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=334656 |
| 09:07.30 | KarlKFI | i just couldn't resist |
| 09:08.53 | Shadowd | hahahhsrhsr |
| 09:29.25 | Qzot | Good night, all. |
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| 09:49.23 | Shouryuu | bpp |
| 09:49.25 | Shouryuu | boo |
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| 12:05.31 | Shouryuu | wow, just broke the 1MB/s in downloading there |
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| 14:12.55 | namxo | could you give me the url about change in ptr ? |
| 14:14.46 | Shouryuu | je cherche |
| 14:15.04 | Shouryuu | tu veux les changements en code? |
| 14:15.56 | Shouryuu | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ |
| 14:23.04 | namxo | thanks |
| 14:24.38 | namxo | a diff between changelog will be good too |
| 14:24.38 | namxo | :) |
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| 15:25.09 | kaiden | howdy doo peoples |
| 15:26.21 | Tain | doo doo |
| 15:26.45 | kaiden | doody doo dooooooo :P |
| 15:29.42 | JoshBorke | hola |
| 15:30.19 | Tain | I want to dine here. http://www.rahoi.com/2006/03/may-i-take-your-order.php |
| 15:34.00 | kaiden | would you have the cowboy leg with retchup and sheet iron on the side? |
| 15:34.21 | Wobin_ | I would |
| 15:34.37 | kaiden | i hear that, i wouldn't be able to pass it up :P |
| 15:41.25 | JoshBorke | figured out why i couldn't hide a window |
| 15:41.32 | Tain | Why was that? |
| 15:41.34 | JoshBorke | visor had taken control of it at some point :-D |
| 15:42.07 | JoshBorke | :-P |
| 15:42.42 | Tain | Oh damnit. That's still like that. |
| 15:43.09 | Tain | I know why he did it, but I don't agree with the solution. |
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| 15:54.00 | Miravlix | code first then invent and design that make the code look good |
| 15:55.22 | Tain | Well, design as far as determining the problem you're solving, and the path you're going to take to solve it. |
| 15:55.29 | Tain | Looking good is easy. |
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| 16:05.16 | JoshBorke | ( Tain ): if you say so, that's the hard part for me :-P |
| 16:14.10 | QzotSansCoffee | Good morning, people. |
| 16:14.13 | QzotSansCoffee | And others. |
| 16:14.24 | QzotSansCoffee | ~8ball Good morning, Purl. |
| 16:14.29 | purl | Sure. Yeah, exactly. |
| 16:14.33 | Tain | ~mornings |
| 16:14.35 | purl | Mornings MUST be destroyed! (see also http://www.destroymornings.com/) |
| 16:14.49 | QzotSansCoffee | Lol. |
| 16:15.06 | QzotSansCoffee | Purl: k. I'm checking it out now. |
| 16:15.28 | Tain | JoshBorke I'm removing the code form Visor that allowed that hiding issue to happen. I never agreed with it in the first place. I know why it's there, but don't agree with the solution. |
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| 16:20.22 | Kirkburn | Lol, I just had a look at the XChat readme ... the guide uses this pic: http://xchat.org/docs/start/xchat-3-channel.png |
| 16:22.37 | QzotSansCoffee | Anyone here pretty good with draggable frames? |
| 16:25.23 | Kirkburn | aveccoffee surely |
| 16:25.51 | Qzot|hasCoffee | That's greek to me. |
| 16:26.18 | Kirkburn | Aye, as shurely as tis swahili |
| 16:28.34 | Qzot|hasCoffee | I never get any PMs on WoWI. I wonder if I would get more PMs if I uploaded to swerve, instead. (WARNING: The previous is SARCASM, spelled S-A-R-C-A-S-M. Please do not send private PMs asking me if I'm serious.) |
| 16:29.47 | Cairenn | ~lart Qzot|hasCoffee |
| 16:30.11 | Qzot|hasCoffee | What?? WHAT??? |
| 16:30.36 | MentalPower | lart is fun |
| 16:30.45 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 16:32.17 | Qzot|caffeinatin | Cairenn, who on this channel do you think is a whiz with frame dragging. I'd like to float an idea... |
| 16:32.56 | Tain | I use Visor for all of my frame moving. ;) |
| 16:33.18 | Cairenn | ummm, AnduinLothar, clad|work, Tain |
| 16:33.23 | Qzot|caffeinatin | I suspect that wouldn't work for PartyAims. |
| 16:33.26 | Qzot|caffeinatin | ty |
| 16:34.02 | Qzot | I'll go find a bush, and crouch behind it, waiting to ambush one of them. |
| 16:34.08 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 16:34.49 | Qzot | Can you believe that someone actually sent me a PM asking me if I was serious?? |
| 16:35.01 | Cairenn | alright already, give it a rest :p |
| 16:35.12 | Cairenn | so I was feeling a little insecure, so sue me :p |
| 16:35.15 | Shadowd | She's angry, hide! |
| 16:35.16 | Cairenn | sheesh |
| 16:35.24 | Cairenn | am not |
| 16:35.49 | Qzot | I like it when you beat me with the clue-by-four. |
| 16:36.02 | MentalPower | AnduinLothar, as he's the author of MobileFrames |
| 16:36.04 | MentalPower | nice |
| 16:36.35 | Cairenn | besides which, I'm not saying jack about that site again, not after they decided to slander me |
| 16:37.21 | Qzot | Slander? Ouch. Mind if I ask what they said? I was actually planning to never visit the site... |
| 16:37.22 | Shadowd | What happened now? |
| 16:37.36 | Cairenn | doesn't matter |
| 16:38.25 | Qzot | Understood. I'm sorry they said something bad about you. You don't deserve it. |
| 16:38.34 | Cairenn | meh, no biggie |
| 16:38.45 | Tain | ~lart those jackasses |
| 16:39.51 | Cairenn | besides, slander is probably too strong a word for it |
| 16:39.55 | Miravlix | Mud fight mud fight mud fight |
| 16:40.12 | Cairenn | rofl Miravlix |
| 16:40.17 | Miravlix | Sorry, I just played my gnome for a few hours I can't help it |
| 16:40.22 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 16:41.09 | Tain | And the forum is at an all time high.. low? I'm not sure. Looking for a mod to make it so that you don't gain any more experience. |
| 16:41.34 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 16:41.36 | Cairenn | heh, yeah |
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| 16:41.47 | Cairenn | folks have been having fun with that one ... |
| 16:41.50 | Shouryuu | write a mod to prevent him from killing anything... |
| 16:42.16 | Cairenn | "I want to be the best twink possible so I need to stop gaining exp" |
| 16:42.19 | Miravlix | I want to write a bag ball mod, but Bliz is making it to darn hard |
| 16:42.25 | Shadowd | /script UseAction = nil; |
| 16:42.32 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 16:42.41 | Tain | I need addons. Can anyone tell me where I can get addons? |
| 16:42.53 | Miravlix | There is no addons |
| 16:43.05 | Shouryuu | they are all banable |
| 16:43.20 | Shouryuu | the whole point of this official forum is to find out who is using them, and ban them |
| 16:43.28 | Tain | I got banned and the only addon I use is wowglider. |
| 16:43.33 | Shadowd | lol |
| 16:44.48 | Tain | So many ideas to test, so little time. |
| 16:45.08 | Osagasu | anyone know what these files slouken uses in his little movepad addon are? .pub and .toc.sig are new to me. |
| 16:45.09 | Miravlix | I've given up on ideas, so many bugs to fix first |
| 16:45.12 | Shadowd | Get 100 monkies Tain |
| 16:45.31 | Tain | I like Twelve Monkies. |
| 16:45.47 | Shouryuu | Bruce Willis! |
| 16:45.51 | Shadowd | Well you just need some Monkies |
| 16:45.54 | Shouryuu | Brad Pitt! |
| 16:45.56 | Miravlix | Aren't we getting to the point where every idea is invented, it's just a matter of improving some addon |
| 16:46.09 | Osagasu | Noone know? |
| 16:46.10 | Tain | That was Brad Pitt's best performance ever. As little as that may be saying. |
| 16:46.18 | Shouryuu | Fight club is |
| 16:46.27 | Shouryuu | and seven is quite nice imo |
| 16:46.39 | Tain | Osagasu I don't know but I think it's the secure signed addon stuff. |
| 16:46.56 | Miravlix | Now I've seen it all a char named "Asswipe" on a RP-PVP server. |
| 16:47.03 | Shouryuu | loool |
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| 16:47.21 | Shouryuu | doesn't that like deafeat the whole RP part |
| 16:47.39 | Tain | He was good in Fight Club, but I think the movie made the role fit him, where as in 12 Monkies he took that role on and made it his. |
| 16:47.40 | Miravlix | The name is so offensive the account will get banned on a Normal/PvP server |
| 16:47.50 | Cairenn | no more than "crotchmunch" does :p |
| 16:48.12 | Osagasu | So in other words its jumbled because its encrypted cause they don't want us to figure out how to use them? |
| 16:48.17 | Osagasu | >.> |
| 16:49.01 | Shouryuu | well if it has acces to normaly unsuable functions, I guess so |
| 16:49.16 | Tain | I think the G15 LCD code is hidden in there. |
| 16:49.22 | Osagasu | *lol* |
| 16:49.26 | Osagasu | They aren't big enough |
| 16:52.11 | Miravlix | I need the G51 keyboard so I can program it to program for me |
| 16:52.19 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 16:53.55 | Shadowd | I wish it could do that |
| 16:55.19 | Miravlix | Hey if monkeys can code, so can a keyboard |
| 16:55.24 | Tain | The Blizz forums being so slow is maddeningly frustrating to me. |
| 16:55.50 | Miravlix | proxy |
| 16:56.13 | Shouryuu | I usualy can't connect on patch days on the forum |
| 16:56.24 | Shouryuu | awww man |
| 16:56.32 | Shouryuu | my brother is downloading 40gof Mc Gyver |
| 16:56.38 | Tain | hahah |
| 16:56.46 | Kirkburn | Btw I hope you all know by now that Milosevic has been found dead in his prison cell |
| 16:56.55 | Shouryuu | seriously? |
| 16:57.00 | Kirkburn | http://news.bbc.co.uk/ |
| 16:57.04 | Shouryuu | indeed |
| 16:57.09 | Tain | Did he run an addon site? |
| 16:57.14 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 16:57.20 | Shouryuu | the sweger.com thing |
| 16:57.39 | Tain | oh for a second I thought you said swingers.com, and I was wondering how you found out I was there. |
| 16:57.48 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 16:58.22 | Shouryuu | Swervegaming.com that was it |
| 16:58.47 | Tain | Stop saying it! |
| 16:59.05 | Tain | It's like the Candyman. Say it three times and they'll appear to kill you. |
| 17:03.10 | Shouryuu | Run away, run away! |
| 17:03.42 | Shouryuu | Man I am so lost in maths |
| 17:05.29 | Miravlix | 2 + 2 = 4 |
| 17:05.33 | Miravlix | Thats all you need |
| 17:06.01 | Miravlix | Though my personal favorit is var = var + 1 |
| 17:06.03 | Shouryuu | That's Dom Juan |
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| 17:06.10 | Miravlix | Why couldn't they implement ++ |
| 17:06.56 | Kirkburn | nasty cough you've got there |
| 17:07.12 | Qzot | Sources say that Tain might be able to help me with a frame dragging question. |
| 17:07.36 | Qzot | And that he really is nice and likes to help people out. |
| 17:08.12 | Kirkburn | Poor deluded sources |
| 17:08.35 | Kirkburn | Where did you get this info from, swervegaming? |
| 17:08.44 | Qzot | Seriously, got a sec to tell me if something would work. |
| 17:09.06 | Qzot | Kirkburn: Keep heckling, and *you* have to answer my question. Correctly, even. |
| 17:09.14 | Cairenn | guys, stop bashing on them :p |
| 17:09.19 | Qzot | s/work./work?/ |
| 17:10.15 | Kirkburn | If they hadn't started advertising on other people's sites, I wouldn't say anything :) Qzot, say the question and I'm sure someone will notice |
| 17:10.27 | Kirkburn | I can't help you cos I don't know how to code :P |
| 17:10.30 | Cairenn | point |
| 17:12.07 | Qzot | PartyAims has about 50 top level frames. (Separate discussion, please, about that.) They're in a frame pool, and they move around depend on current combat status. Each frame's position is ultimately supposed to hang off the target frame, but there are problems with discord and other non-standard configs. |
| 17:13.07 | MentalPower | yay, norganna.org is back! |
| 17:13.13 | Qzot | So ... If I create a hidden frame which is a proxy for the target frame, hang all my other frames off that hidden frame, and in the dragging code, enable dragging of the hidden frame rather than the frame moused over, will that be able to move the whole shebang? |
| 17:13.17 | Cairenn | excellent MentalPower :) |
| 17:13.36 | ForgottenLords | it should Qzot, if you've set up parents properly |
| 17:13.52 | Qzot | All the micro-frame have UIParent as their parent. |
| 17:14.00 | ForgottenLords | use SetPoint() :) |
| 17:14.10 | Qzot | I use SetPoint out the wazoo. |
| 17:14.23 | Qzot | Several times a second. |
| 17:14.30 | Cairenn | well there's your problem right there |
| 17:14.35 | Qzot | hehe |
| 17:14.38 | Cairenn | you shouldn't be using your wazoo |
| 17:14.38 | Legorol | hullo |
| 17:14.44 | Cairenn | hey Legorol :) |
| 17:14.48 | Qzot | Heyo. |
| 17:14.50 | Legorol | So unfair :( slouken can sign his AddOns, we can't |
| 17:15.07 | Legorol | i want access to blocked functions too! |
| 17:15.31 | Qzot | Hmm. I have some cryto friends. I wonder how well they've done their cryto homework. |
| 17:15.32 | Miravlix | So in the end the signing is just for allowing Blizzard addons to do crap we can't? |
| 17:15.50 | Legorol | looks like it |
| 17:15.57 | Qzot | s/cryto/crypto/ |
| 17:16.00 | Legorol | at least for the moment |
| 17:16.09 | Qzot | s/cryto/crypto/ |
| 17:16.14 | Legorol | i am sincerely hoping they'll introduce a system whereby we can get our stuff signed |
| 17:16.15 | Qzot | Grr. |
| 17:16.28 | Miravlix | It will never work |
| 17:16.33 | Legorol | but it's likely not going to happen for a long while yet due to the logistics involved |
| 17:16.45 | MentalPower | actually his addon is blocked just like any other |
| 17:16.54 | MentalPower | I just tried it on the test server |
| 17:16.56 | Miravlix | the addon would need updates every time you change a dot in it |
| 17:17.00 | Cairenn | ROFL, you serious? |
| 17:17.04 | Legorol | MP: he said next test server update |
| 17:17.05 | MentalPower | yup |
| 17:17.14 | Cairenn | right, he did, forgot that |
| 17:17.20 | MentalPower | ah, nm then |
| 17:17.21 | Legorol | which i got the timing of it wrong :D |
| 17:17.28 | Legorol | because i read his post, then i logged in and got the 5152 update |
| 17:17.38 | Legorol | so i thought he meant that, turned out he means next next ;-) |
| 17:17.39 | MentalPower | since I got an update today, I figured it was this one |
| 17:17.48 | Qzot | Biab. Need to vpn into work. |
| 17:17.54 | Legorol | that's what happened to me too MP, but it looks like it's not |
| 17:17.56 | MentalPower | what Legorol said :) |
| 17:23.00 | Legorol | maybe I can hook into its functions? |
| 17:23.24 | Miravlix | Leg: Is the MF errors known when login in on test? |
| 17:23.37 | Cairenn | Tain: your question has been answered |
| 17:24.24 | Legorol | Mira: i'm not getting any.. are you using the test1.10 branch? |
| 17:24.45 | Legorol | AnduinLothar fixed some MF errors and committed to the test branch |
| 17:25.14 | Legorol | i.e. if someone tries the current public Alpha, they will get errors afaik |
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| 17:31.35 | Kirkburn | A quick WoW question: how can I tame a bear if it keeps KOing me? |
| 17:32.26 | Shadowd | Trap it? |
| 17:33.12 | Kirkburn | I'm level 12 |
| 17:33.28 | Kirkburn | (go me) |
| 17:33.36 | Shadowd | Or don't tame bears, they're like the most deadly mob in WoW, try to run "Oh crap a bear", try to run from that bear "oh crap 3 more bears", try to run from those they chain stun you and all you can do is cry |
| 17:35.22 | Kirkburn | 13 months of playing and I have no idea how to play a hunter ... |
| 17:35.31 | Cairenn | heh |
| 17:35.36 | JoshBorke | heh |
| 17:36.03 | Shadowd | Make sure you have monkey on, and make sure you don't have just AGI/INT gear, or don't tame a bear |
| 17:36.11 | Shadowd | It really wont make a difference what pet you use to level with |
| 17:36.17 | Kirkburn | On my current server I have one of every type of class, I'm determined to at least play them to 20 each. My 60 warlock took all my time before :s |
| 17:36.30 | Kirkburn | Ta Shadowd |
| 17:36.48 | Tain | That's why I had to stop playing a hunter. I wanted to tame everything. |
| 17:37.01 | Kirkburn | I have to say one thing though - hunters are very very powerful |
| 17:37.03 | Shadowd | I want to be able to tame horde |
| 17:37.13 | Shadowd | Who do we contact to make that happen? |
| 17:37.13 | Tain | I want to be able to tame critters. |
| 17:37.18 | Tain | I want a level 60 bunny. |
| 17:37.48 | Shadowd | I'd rather have a level 60 Shaman pet |
| 17:38.03 | Kirkburn | How do you increase pet happiness? (I'm just off to to Coop, back in 5)] |
| 17:38.27 | Shadowd | Just by using them in combat |
| 17:40.13 | Miravlix | Pet happyness increase automagickally, might be faster if you use it in combat, but I haven't seen any conclusive evidence to this, might just be that people don't notice how time flies. |
| 17:40.29 | JoshBorke | aw, worldofwar.net is down :-( |
| 17:40.34 | Cairenn | no, that's loyalty ... you need to feed them to increase happiness |
| 17:41.07 | Shadowd | close enough! |
| 17:41.17 | Cairenn | not really |
| 17:41.27 | Cairenn | don't feed them, they eventually run away |
| 17:41.51 | Cairenn | :p |
| 17:43.29 | Shadowd | your logic is not welcome here! :p |
| 17:44.22 | JoshBorke | ( Cairenn ): i was going to say the same thing, but i don't have a hunter so i kept quiet :D |
| 17:52.28 | Miravlix | If nothing else, the blocker shows how badly most addons is programmed |
| 17:53.10 | Miravlix | There definition of disabled is miles away from what I call disabled. |
| 17:55.19 | Cairenn | yup |
| 17:55.31 | Miravlix | unregisterevent ftw! |
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| 17:56.37 | elema | good evening |
| 17:56.43 | Cairenn | hey elema |
| 17:58.11 | Miravlix | It's not a good evening! |
| 17:58.47 | elema | is there an easy way to create arrays like: <Button name="but1" inherits="buttemplate" id="1"/><Button name="but2" inherits="buttemplate" id="2"/>[..]<Button name="but150" inherits="buttemplate" id="150"/> ? |
| 17:59.03 | elema | ohh, I think it's a very good evening |
| 18:00.35 | elema | a program or a script or something like this ? |
| 18:00.41 | Miravlix | Hmm I just got into a lootlook mode without lootlock enabled, so I guess that is still possible. |
| 18:03.37 | Kirkburn | Hello, I'm back :) Ta for the huntr info guys (& gals) |
| 18:04.04 | Kirkburn | At least I know I'll be able to roll on every weapon drop |
| 18:04.19 | Cairenn | ~lart Kirkburn |
| 18:04.40 | Tain | It's obviously a Hunter weapon! ;) |
| 18:04.46 | Cairenn | ~lart Tain |
| 18:04.54 | Tain | Rar! |
| 18:05.52 | Cairenn | okay, when did freenode start hosting an smbd channel? |
| 18:06.11 | Tain | no no that would be samba |
| 18:06.15 | Tain | You want bdsm |
| 18:06.37 | Kirkburn | I think Tain wants more like |
| 18:06.46 | Tain | I'm just trying to be helpful. :D |
| 18:06.59 | Cairenn | "beat me beat me" "no" |
| 18:06.59 | Tain | Helping person is my middle name. |
| 18:07.22 | Tain | Tain "Helping Person" Hatesyoualot is my full name, actually. |
| 18:08.29 | Kirkburn | I didn't know u could only name a pet once :s |
| 18:08.34 | Cairenn | heh |
| 18:08.42 | Tain | It warns you when it pops up the name menu, doesn't it? |
| 18:08.42 | Kirkburn | Thus, I have a cat called Dog |
| 18:08.48 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 18:08.52 | Kirkburn | Er, I didn't see a notice |
| 18:09.05 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Ratbert_CP (n=KCummins@c-24-130-132-88.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 18:09.23 | Kirkburn | I grew to like the name however |
| 18:09.40 | Tain | In CoH the pet classes end up with a full party of pets. |
| 18:09.40 | Tain | I had one guy with pets named LOL, ROFL, LMAO, WTF and RTFM. |
| 18:10.06 | Kirkburn | Lollerskates! |
| 18:22.37 | Miravlix | Blizzard movement change, but does it include not being able to do stuff on mouse click? |
| 18:39.42 | elema | the dire maul instances (west,north and east) are different Instances (with different instance portals ) right? |
| 18:40.13 | elema | which means they have different GetRealZoneText() returns, right ? |
| 18:41.51 | MentalPower | yes about the first, don't know about the second |
| 18:42.04 | Shadowd | Pretty sure they all return Dire Maul for GetRealZoneText(), you can't figure out if it's north, west or east. |
| 18:42.27 | elema | ohh shit |
| 18:42.36 | Shadowd | The only way would be mob lookup, or track there location on map i believe |
| 18:42.38 | elema | so, first thank you |
| 18:43.14 | elema | I think the map think won't be possible, because, they have no map, or ? |
| 18:43.31 | Shadowd | I mean track there location before they zone in, which would be a bit overkill |
| 18:44.42 | Miravlix | Atlas has instance maps |
| 18:44.53 | Kirkburn | I can't select the instace though |
| 18:44.55 | Miravlix | It's one addon that would benefit from knowing where it is |
| 18:44.57 | elema | yep, but it's way doesn't work for me |
| 18:45.03 | Kirkburn | *it |
| 18:45.18 | elema | it checks it via it's dropdown menu |
| 18:45.31 | elema | and thus does check it via getrealzonetext |
| 18:45.43 | elema | and this does not allow me the right thing |
| 18:45.46 | Kirkburn | I meant Atlas can't determine w/s/e |
| 18:45.52 | Kirkburn | *w/n/e |
| 18:46.00 | elema | -/em gets enraged |
| 18:46.13 | Miravlix | Thats because no one can in a sane way. |
| 18:46.32 | Miravlix | Scanning mob names or location as you enter is a bit over the hill |
| 18:46.42 | elema | I get to UBRS via the orb of command, right ? |
| 18:46.57 | Kirkburn | BWL? |
| 18:46.58 | elema | ok, I do it with a menu |
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| 18:47.12 | Kirkburn | I'm confused, so I'll shush |
| 18:49.04 | Shouryuu | Black wind lair |
| 18:49.41 | Fanook | Blackwing Lair? |
| 18:49.45 | Shadowd | Repairbill Lair |
| 18:49.48 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 18:49.51 | elema | lo.l |
| 18:49.52 | Fanook | hehe |
| 18:50.14 | Shouryuu | I am so hungry |
| 18:50.21 | Shouryuu | I don't know why, I'm just starving |
| 18:50.26 | Shadowd | Also known as "God damnit this lag sucks, cancel the raid" |
| 18:50.28 | elema | nothin in the fridge |
| 18:50.35 | Shouryuu | nay |
| 18:51.01 | elema | phone MCStupid |
| 18:53.38 | Shouryuu | that would be an option |
| 18:54.19 | elema | are the ahn'quiraj names "The Ruins od Ahn'Quiraj" or "Ruins of Ahn'Quiraj" (and "(The) Temple of Ahn'Quiraj") ? |
| 18:55.54 | Kirkburn | Qiraj, for one |
| 18:56.11 | Fanook | I'm using the ones with no "The" in ZoneLevel and haven't received any reports yet, but that's not really confirmation |
| 18:57.26 | Kirkburn | Random question, whatever happened to resurrection sickness? |
| 18:57.34 | Cairenn | still there |
| 18:57.43 | Kirkburn | Really?! |
| 18:57.45 | Cairenn | yup |
| 18:58.04 | Cairenn | when I rezzed at the spirit healer a few days back, I had rez sickness |
| 18:58.10 | Kirkburn | I don't ever recall ever being affected by it |
| 18:58.21 | Kirkburn | What cases give you it? |
| 18:58.31 | Shouryuu | when you rez at the spirit healer |
| 18:58.33 | Shouryuu | that's all |
| 18:58.36 | elema | atlas uses it with the |
| 18:58.43 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 18:59.03 | Kirkburn | I don't think I've ever rezzed at a spirit healer since I got the game last february |
| 18:59.43 | Kirkburn | I may have talked to one once, possibly. But didn't rez. |
| 18:59.49 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Qzot (i=user@sandbox.xerox.com) |
| 18:59.56 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 19:00.10 | Qzot | ~8ball I think I'm actually logged in from work again. Can you confirm? |
| 19:00.12 | purl | I'm not sure. |
| 19:00.16 | Qzot | Tnx. |
| 19:01.29 | Kirkburn | Who likes short shorts? |
| 19:01.38 | Fanook | bah, the wiki zone list hasn't been updated with the AQ dungeons |
| 19:02.01 | Cairenn | Fanook: so update it ;) |
| 19:02.33 | Fanook | yay for unconfirmed zone names! :) |
| 19:05.02 | Kirkburn | Wrong. The correct answer was "I like short shorts" |
| 19:08.05 | elema | what is the zone wiki ? |
| 19:08.43 | Fanook | http://www.wowwiki.com/Localization_Info#Zones |
| 19:10.24 | elema | ahh, I though you meant another wiki, only about the zones |
| 19:18.14 | Shouryuu | I am so going to kill myself |
| 19:18.26 | Shouryuu | Just downloaded Elfen Lied, the subs are in Portugues |
| 19:18.41 | elema | Always look at the bright side of life !! |
| 19:18.50 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 19:18.56 | Shouryuu | I hungry too |
| 19:19.10 | elema | *whistleW |
| 19:19.24 | elema | Always look at the dark side of life!! |
| 19:19.26 | GenNMX|Thrae | Shouryuu: torrentspy.com, mininova.org, boxtorrents.com |
| 19:19.33 | elema | pfiefef pfiefefef |
| 19:19.35 | Shouryuu | didum didum didum didum |
| 19:19.44 | Shouryuu | boxtorrents needs an account =( |
| 19:20.05 | elema | ok, the other text, is not in my mind;) |
| 19:21.09 | Shouryuu | I really want to get in Boxtorrents |
| 19:22.52 | Shouryuu | I r le hungry |
| 19:24.08 | GenNMX|Thrae | Shouryuu: http://datorrents.com/browse.asp?cat=20 |
| 19:25.04 | Shouryuu | I took it from datorrents |
| 19:25.17 | Shouryuu | I got it off demonoid |
| 19:25.57 | Shouryuu | I mean I'm redownloading it from demonoid |
| 19:27.03 | Shouryuu | 105 seeds and I'm downloading at 180B/s .... |
| 19:30.55 | GenNMX|Thrae | Gah, I am so glad I have a 16x DVDRW now...too much anime to burn! |
| 19:31.34 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 19:32.42 | Shouryuu | man those 40gigs of Mac Gyver are eating my bandwidth... And all that for some shit my brother will never even watch |
| 19:32.58 | Cairenn | okay, this little movepad thing that Slouken made is pretty neat |
| 19:33.32 | Shouryuu | what does it do exactly? |
| 19:33.40 | Cairenn | click to move |
| 19:33.46 | Shouryuu | ah |
| 19:34.02 | Shouryuu | So you have arrows on screen you can click? |
| 19:34.13 | Cairenn | strafe left, strafe right, go forward, go backward, jump |
| 19:34.14 | Cairenn | yup |
| 19:34.25 | Shouryuu | cool |
| 19:34.29 | Cairenn | press once to start, press again to stop |
| 19:34.39 | Kirkburn | What form do the buttons take? |
| 19:34.49 | Tain | Sealform |
| 19:34.55 | Shouryuu | ... |
| 19:35.03 | Tain | You actually have to club baby seals to move. |
| 19:35.09 | Shadowd | rofl |
| 19:35.14 | Tain | Kind of like Whack-A-Mole |
| 19:35.53 | Cairenn | hang on |
| 19:37.25 | Shouryuu | does anyone have a pic of the new XP bar? |
| 19:38.20 | Cairenn | http://www.cairenn-mmorpg.com/images/various/movepad.gif |
| 19:38.27 | Cairenn | that's the movepad slouken made |
| 19:39.35 | Shouryuu | wow cool indeed |
| 19:41.12 | Fanook | new xp bar? |
| 19:41.58 | Shouryuu | I heard the XP bar had change in 1.10 |
| 19:42.17 | Fanook | i know xp turns into gold at lvl 60, but that's all i've heard regarding xp |
| 19:42.27 | Shouryuu | I so miss that |
| 19:42.31 | Shouryuu | well want that rather |
| 19:42.51 | Shouryuu | hunger is preventing me from saying what I mean |
| 19:43.07 | Shouryuu | what I want to say |
| 19:43.12 | Shouryuu | ugh..... |
| 19:43.56 | Fanook | *emails shouryuu a <insert food item here>* |
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| 19:44.36 | Shouryuu | danke |
| 19:44.39 | Cairenn | hey hey Ino! |
| 19:44.42 | Shouryuu | but I don't eat e-mails... |
| 19:44.58 | Cairenn | 'bout freaking time you finally put in an appearance :p |
| 19:45.36 | Inokis | do you ever sleep |
| 19:45.46 | Cairenn | you know better than that |
| 19:46.05 | Inokis | i configured trillain before work yesterday |
| 19:46.05 | Fanook | she took a nap yesterday |
| 19:46.15 | Inokis | trillian |
| 19:46.28 | Cairenn | no worries, we all speak typo here |
| 19:47.43 | Inokis | next week is gonna be hell, 4 days of 16-20 hour work days |
| 19:48.19 | Cairenn | guys, say hi to Inokis, a fellow UI author in WoW and a long time member of the *Interface.com sites, and some-time moderator at EQI |
| 19:48.52 | Inokis | was a mod at eqI. I just don't have time to devote to it |
| 19:48.56 | Tain | Good morning mister Inokis. |
| 19:49.39 | Cairenn | so, thoroughly embarrassed yet Ino? |
| 19:49.56 | Inokis | not really but if you want me to be i can |
| 19:50.16 | Cairenn | nope, just means I have to hassle you even more ;) |
| 19:50.19 | Tain | Aw it's probably years away, if ever, but someone's working on a zombie MMOG. http://www.exanimusthegame.com/ |
| 19:50.39 | Inokis | have you guys checked out rfonline yet? |
| 19:51.32 | Inokis | I know it was an add on wowi and it released last week, i dont know much about it |
| 19:51.33 | Shouryuu | tain that looks nice |
| 19:52.16 | Tain | I saw an ad linked to it, Inokis. But I haven't looked at it at all. |
| 19:52.28 | Shouryuu | rfonline? |
| 19:52.51 | Shouryuu | I;m confused |
| 19:52.52 | Qzot|fromWork | The most anticipated game of 2006. |
| 19:52.58 | Shouryuu | is it a game or an add on? |
| 19:52.59 | Tain | Oh.. heh and someone was sufficiently annoyed at how the Papal Fez looks. |
| 19:53.00 | Tain | http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/4263/shrinerdead8fp.jpg |
| 19:53.22 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 19:53.33 | Qzot|fromWork | (Note: The above is SARCASM. S-A-R-C-A-S-M. It is sarcasm in part because 2006 hasn't expired enough to generate much antipication.) |
| 19:53.45 | Tain | The most anticipated game of 2006 for me is Spore. Actually the only anticipated game of 2006 for me is Spore. |
| 19:54.16 | Tain | Oh.. and Elder Scrolls: Oblivion. |
| 19:54.30 | Tain | Been doing a good job of blocking that one out of my mind so I wouldn't get too excited over it until it was released. |
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| 19:55.16 | Cairenn | whoa, when did you start arguing *for* the stupid G15 Tain? |
| 19:55.42 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Inokis (n=Inokis@63-229-223-4.mpls.qwest.net) |
| 19:56.43 | Tain | I've always wanted G15 support. I simply can't stomach the way people post about it. |
| 19:57.15 | Tain | But I can't help but get annoyed anytime someone tries to say, "Why do you want that, you don't need it." |
| 19:57.31 | Tain | If I want it, I want it. |
| 19:57.42 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 20:01.07 | Qzot|fromWork | I want a chocolate ice cream bar. |
| 20:04.36 | Kirkburn | 9 days until Oblivion, no? |
| 20:04.49 | Cairenn | ? |
| 20:05.28 | elema | how can I make with one fontstring a multiline helptext ? |
| 20:05.44 | elema | kirkburn: really? |
| 20:06.34 | Kirkburn | Er, make that 13 |
| 20:07.34 | Kirkburn | For the benefit of Cairenn, Elder Scroll: Oblivion is out on the 24th |
| 20:07.47 | elema | in the US ? |
| 20:07.50 | Cairenn | *nod* figured it out after I thought about it for a couple |
| 20:07.54 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 20:08.38 | Cairenn | sorry, not the brightest lightbulb in the toolbox some days |
| 20:09.11 | Kirkburn | You sleep too much :) |
| 20:09.25 | Kirkburn | US: Oblivion - 20th, EU: Oblivion - 24th |
| 20:09.38 | elema | ahh |
| 20:09.58 | elema | so , how can I make multiline texts with one fontstring? |
| 20:12.18 | elema | can I do this with a table ? |
| 20:12.55 | elema | like: SetText(table); table = { "lineone", "linetwo", linethree"}; ? |
| 20:14.35 | elema | does this work ? |
| 20:15.03 | Kirkburn | (I'd love to help, but I don't know much code) |
| 20:15.20 | elema | ay |
| 20:15.30 | Qzot|fromWork | I want a chocolate ice cream bar. |
| 20:15.40 | elema | ok, is on the way |
| 20:15.58 | Qzot|fromWork | (Oops. Sorry about that. Don't know what keys I hit.) |
| 20:16.25 | elema | -/target Qzot /throw [Chocolate Ice Cream Bar] |
| 20:16.33 | elema | arrived ? |
| 20:17.28 | Qzot|fromWork | s/show up/showed up/ |
| 20:17.30 | elema | how do you write this in the * |
| 20:21.12 | Fanook | mmmm crepes |
| 20:21.12 | Shouryuu|Crepe | I hate pasta |
| 20:21.16 | Shouryuu|Crepe | with a passion |
| 20:21.22 | Shouryuu|Crepe | dessert awaits though |
| 20:22.09 | Kirkburn | Why, you planning of visiting the sahara? |
| 20:22.19 | Kirkburn | s/of/on/ |
| 20:22.46 | Kirkburn | s/a/e/ |
| 20:22.55 | Kirkburn | Aww, disappointing |
| 20:23.39 | Kirkburn | How do you do multiple spelling corrections? |
| 20:24.40 | elema | ahh |
| 20:25.58 | Kirkburn | That was some beautiful singing elema |
| 20:26.49 | elema | ;) |
| 20:28.29 | Kirkburn | I miss fangtooth |
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| 20:35.36 | Ktron | afternoon everyone |
| 20:36.00 | Cairenn | hey Ktron :) |
| 20:41.22 | Qzot|fromWork | Good afternoo, K. |
| 20:42.11 | Qzot|fromWork | Blizz is authenticating very slowly today. |
| 20:42.36 | Kirkburn | Maybe half the workers are having lunch |
| 20:42.47 | Kirkburn | They might have run out of stamp ink, too |
| 20:42.50 | Qzot|fromWork | Q: Anyone here using an Alien m77?? or a Dell m170? |
| 20:43.10 | Kirkburn | mmmm9300 |
| 20:43.42 | Kirkburn | Excellent riposte to beggars: "I left my extra money on the mobs outside" |
| 20:44.20 | Qzot|fromWork | In SWG, I would tell them to meet me at a waypoint I'd send them. It was the waypoint for the mission terminals. |
| 20:44.29 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 20:44.51 | Kirkburn | A short story ... I'm in Ogr AH. Lvl 16 Hunter Guy whispers asking if there are some leather shoulders there (gray lvl 16 ones). There were for about 20s. He asks me to get them for him. I give him my standard "I left my extra money on the mobs outside" line. He continues to beg... |
| 20:45.03 | Kirkburn | "I tell him I'll get them for him for 40s. I also tell him they are listed on the AH for 20s and the extra 20s is for my time and for having a lvl 60 messenger boy. To my amazement he says OK. I tell him to go get 40s. He asks where. I tell him the crossroads is a good place to grind for some extra money. " |
| 20:45.12 | Kirkburn | "AV starts up and I enter battle. Lvl 16 whispers and says he has the 40s and he is in X-Rds. I tell him I'm in AV and can't leave. He asks what he should do. I tell him he now has the money to buy them himself. He cusses at me. I'm laughing so hard I'm falling out of my chair that he went along with it so long." |
| 20:48.00 | Codayus | .... |
| 20:48.02 | Codayus | ! |
| 20:48.07 | Kirkburn | I love the begging stories in this thread http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-general&T=7446018 |
| 20:48.08 | Codayus | Worst begger ever. |
| 20:49.31 | Tain | The thing I never understood about beggars is that they always end up saying something like, "Oh like you never begged for money." |
| 20:49.37 | Tain | Well actually, no I didn't. |
| 20:50.43 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 20:52.00 | Fanook | must...not...hurt...idiot... |
| 20:52.27 | Kirkburn | "Whenever i get a solicitor at my door, or a particularly annoying caller, I love to start a conversation, then once they become relaxed, scream NO! STOP! PUT DOWN THE GUN! and either slam the door or hang up violently. It brings me many smiles." |
| 21:07.25 | Ktron | Kirkburn; that first story was spectactular |
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| 21:09.06 | Kirkburn | How to answer phonecalls trying to sell you a magazine sub: "Sorry, I'm can't subscribe to your magazine, I'm deaf" |
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| 21:12.01 | Fanook | stupid wireless |
| 21:13.21 | Ktron | Kirkburn; blind might work better? |
| 21:13.33 | Cairenn | deaf works better |
| 21:13.41 | Ktron | heh |
| 21:14.05 | Cairenn | blind would actually make sense, so deaf is better |
| 21:14.12 | Cairenn | as it makes no sense at all |
| 21:14.31 | Kirkburn | You know what I just realised ... I totally forgot that my hunter has shadowmeld |
| 21:14.37 | Cairenn | lol |
| 21:14.42 | Ktron | lol |
| 21:15.12 | Kirkburn | Ktron, no deaf is better, because they _completely |
| 21:15.17 | Kirkburn | confused |
| 21:15.38 | Ktron | heh |
| 21:15.39 | Ktron | I imagine |
| 21:16.02 | Kirkburn | Y'know what I meant :P |
| 21:19.18 | Qzot|fromWork | mmm. GetItemInfo. |
| 21:25.30 | Qzot|fromWork | Looks like it should be possible to build a LootLink-type thingie with near-zero footprint. |
| 21:28.01 | Gryphon | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4360 |
| 21:28.15 | Qzot|fromWork | Heh. Thought that might be the answer. |
| 21:31.41 | Qzot|fromWork | Close. It's missing one or two pieces. |
| 21:34.48 | Qzot|fromWork | (In ref to old conversation:) My daughter hands out a fake phone number to guys that when they call, they get an automated message: "You are a loser. The woman who gave you this phone number thinks you would be more useful as a medical specimen than a date. ..." |
| 21:35.36 | Qzot|fromWork | She given it to at least one guy who recognized the phone number. :P Failure to understand the concept. |
| 21:35.44 | Qzot|fromWork | s/She/She's/ |
| 21:36.43 | Kirkburn | WGP? |
| 21:38.18 | Qzot|fromWork | WGP?? |
| 21:38.25 | Gryphon | wowguru patcher |
| 22:11.37 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Shadowd (n=outlaw@mocha.kamungus.net) |
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| 22:22.37 | Miravlix | They all quit! |
| 22:23.12 | Qzot|fromWork | That can't be good. |
| 22:24.42 | Miravlix | Astranaar 107 attacks while I've been online. So do Astranaar get attacked to much or am I online to much. |
| 22:25.01 | Fanook | yes |
| 22:25.08 | Miravlix | Defense Tracker is the best spam saver in the game. |
| 22:47.32 | Tain | I haven't seen anything good come of the defense channels. I leave them as soon as a log in with a new character. |
| 22:48.27 | Fanook | i do the same with the trade channels |
| 22:49.07 | Qzot|fromWork | I watch trade channels closely, even tho they are filled with trash. |
| 22:51.09 | Tain | Ug yeah I can't stand the trade channels. |
| 22:51.42 | Tain | If it isn't on the AH it isn't that important to me. Unless I need an enchant or something like that. |
| 23:12.17 | Qzot|fromWork | I make most of my loose cash by keeping one eye on the trade channel, and making offers on blues and purples at about 50% of what I can sell for an the AH. |
| 23:12.45 | Qzot|fromWork | And I'm not going to pester Purl with a s/for an/for on/ |
| 23:36.44 | Shouryuu|Crepe | does downloading directly to an external HDD slow your download? |
| 23:48.04 | zeeg | why is the WGP link disabled onthat page? |
| 23:48.20 | zeeg | i assumed they just wouldnt show if it wasnt enabled |
| 23:53.07 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Iriel (n=daniel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
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| 23:54.25 | Qzot|fromWork | Heyo, Iriel. |
| 23:54.30 | Iriel | Afternoon |
| 23:55.25 | Fanook | afternoon? silly west coaster |
| 23:55.30 | Fanook | :) |
| 23:58.02 | Shouryuu | weee he got teh intranet back |
