| 00:00.28 | Shouryuu | well night folks |
| 00:00.36 | Tain | Night. |
| 00:10.30 | Guillotine | silly shouryuu. always says gn when its the middle of the day... |
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| 00:30.17 | Shouryuu | can't sleep =( |
| 00:30.48 | AnduinLothar | i'll sleep for you, wanna go to my systems archetecture class fo rme? |
| 00:33.44 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 00:33.50 | Shouryuu | it's 1:30 am here |
| 00:33.58 | Shouryuu | I'm going to sleep in class again tomorow |
| 00:41.44 | Shouryuu | I think I'm too lazy to sleep |
| 00:41.51 | Shouryuu | weird, but that's how I feel right now |
| 00:51.15 | Crispix | Anyone know what instance a lvl 30 alliance should be in? |
| 00:53.53 | Legorol | Gnomeregan |
| 00:54.05 | Legorol | possibly BFD, but a bit too high |
| 00:54.13 | Legorol | and you can get started on Graveyard of SM |
| 00:55.06 | Crispix | Sm? |
| 00:55.27 | Crispix | I'm trying to pull as much xp as I can |
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| 00:56.20 | Crispix | bfd isn'tgetting very much xp... Haven't been back to gnomer since I hit 30 |
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| 01:50.37 | Ktron | hey everyone |
| 01:51.02 | Cairenn | hey Ktron :) |
| 01:51.11 | Ktron | How are you doing Cairenn? |
| 01:51.21 | Cairenn | not bad, yourself? |
| 01:51.59 | Ktron | Pretty good... thinking about trying some modifications to one of my mods, we'll see if I can understand what I need to to do it heh |
| 01:52.12 | Ktron | and by mods, I mean addons, but old habits die hard |
| 01:52.40 | Cairenn | mods, addons, UIs, all means the same thing in the context we're using |
| 01:53.57 | Ktron | yep... actually, maybe I'll check whether the author is sitting in the channel before I blindly try to understand code... what've you been up to Cair? |
| 01:54.49 | Cairenn | oh 'bout 5'2", 110lbs ;) |
| 01:55.10 | Ktron | No one here is 'Orione' in disguse, are they? |
| 01:56.36 | Ktron | how about 'Ombres'? anyone secretly that person? |
| 01:57.38 | Ktron | or 'DivineBovine'? A lot of people have worked with this addon |
| 02:00.10 | Cairenn | you can get hold of Divine or Orione via WoWI if you need to ... |
| 02:00.39 | Cairenn | they're both registered there, drop them a PM |
| 02:01.06 | Ktron | Nah... maybe, we'll see... I hoping to get ABInfo or Ace Bar Info to work with Gypsymod 1.00b buttons |
| 02:01.16 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 02:01.22 | Ktron | but I'll look at their code first before I start asking questions:) |
| 02:01.45 | Cairenn | well, there are folks that work with the Ace stuff here, so some of them may be able to help |
| 02:02.10 | Ktron | yeah, I know who to hassle about Ace ;) |
| 02:02.18 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 02:07.11 | Qzot | Heyo. |
| 02:07.38 | Cairenn | yo Qzot |
| 02:08.02 | Qzot | Are there any IRC experts around? I've been trying to connect from work, and am having some problems. |
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| 02:08.47 | Ktron | I don't think I qualify as an expert, but if its something simple, I might get it |
| 02:09.35 | Qzot | From my irc client at work (which is outside the firewall), it complains about Checking ident..., and then hangs. |
| 02:12.32 | Qzot | ~8ball Has Ktron left in a huff? |
| 02:12.33 | purl | Unsure. |
| 02:12.51 | Qzot | ~8ball Do you think he'll ever forgive me? |
| 02:12.52 | purl | Unsure. |
| 02:13.11 | Qzot | ~8ball Are there *any* questions you *are* able to answer? |
| 02:13.12 | purl | Absolutely. |
| 02:13.19 | Tain | What irc client are you using, Qzot? |
| 02:13.35 | Qzot | Here, mIRC. From work, debian irc. |
| 02:14.29 | Tain | Ah you'll need to enable an identd server of some kind on the debian system. |
| 02:14.35 | Qzot | Rats. |
| 02:14.53 | Tain | It has to answer on tcp port 113 which is what the irc server is doing. |
| 02:14.55 | Qzot | It's a corporate box we're allowed to ssh to. |
| 02:15.04 | Tain | on mIRC it has its own "pretend" identd. |
| 02:15.18 | Qzot | I doubt I can get them to change what they run on it. They're hyper-paranoid that way. |
| 02:15.42 | cladhaire | you could compile your own versino |
| 02:16.25 | Tain | As long as they're not actively blocking 113 you can do it. |
| 02:19.25 | Qzot | Ugh. It's been 2 years since I abandoned Linux. |
| 02:20.02 | Qzot | Mr. Wizard! I don't *wanna* be a Linux user! Drizzle, drazzle, drozzle, drone... |
| 02:20.44 | Cairenn | careful Qzot, with the number of penguin lovers in this channel, you're liable to get yourself lynched |
| 02:21.46 | Ktron | Ktron had some mild RL interruption |
| 02:22.31 | Qzot | I like the idea. I would *love* to move away from The Evil Empire. But Linux desktops are just not really catching up with ease of use. Sadly. |
| 02:22.40 | Ktron | hm... My only useful suggestion is check all your software that may or may not have a firewall-- windows xp, virus protection, etc, because 9 of 10 times I've had problems, it's been something like that |
| 02:23.09 | Qzot | I think Tain homed in on the problem, Ktron, but thanks. |
| 02:23.49 | Ktron | Well, psh! |
| 02:24.32 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 02:26.04 | Ktron | The only reason I don't run linux is because the software I need isn't available to linux, and most the setup/software I use that does exist for linux is harder to setup and install-- to switch to linux is like voluntarily making programs harder to install, longer to install, require more troubleshooting, making more programs not even work, just to gain stability. |
| 02:26.55 | Qzot | That's my problem, too, Ktron. I have to go find a Linux expert to configure stuff. My son works for Red Hat, but he doesn't want to be my tech support. :P |
| 02:26.58 | Ktron | when there are less setbacks, I'll switch-- I have the experience and I've used linux heavily too, it's just a matter of practicality, especially while I'm in college |
| 02:27.30 | Wobin_ | I quite enjoy using Linux generally... |
| 02:27.48 | Wobin_ | I'm just intrinsically too lazy to use it all the time though |
| 02:28.09 | Ktron | I'm supposed to be running Maple 10, JMP-IN 6, 3DS Max 7, not to mention World of Warcraft (which may run, but not easily) |
| 02:28.41 | Ktron | I spend more time trying to add linux features to windows and trying to improve and maintain the stability of windows on my computer |
| 02:31.28 | Qzot | Tbh, neither is a panacaea. I wish I could move to Linux, but the barrier is still a bit too high, imho. |
| 02:31.46 | Qzot | Anyway, catch you all later. |
| 02:34.04 | Ktron | here goes testing 5 minutes worth or work |
| 02:34.10 | Ktron | s/or/of/ |
| 02:34.30 | Ktron | lol |
| 02:34.35 | Ktron | ouch purl, ouch |
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| 02:35.56 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 02:36.02 | Guillotine | heh? |
| 02:36.08 | Cairenn | not you Guillotine |
| 02:36.10 | Guillotine | heh what? |
| 02:36.15 | Guillotine | I know. but I missed something |
| 02:36.19 | Guillotine | and I don't like missing funny stuff |
| 02:36.24 | Cairenn | Ktron: here goes testing 5 minutes worth or work |
| 02:36.24 | Cairenn | Ktron: s/or/of/ |
| 02:36.24 | Cairenn | purl: Ktron meant: here goes testing 5 minutes wofth or work |
| 02:36.26 | Cairenn | Ktron: lol |
| 02:36.26 | Cairenn | Ktron: ouch purl, ouch |
| 02:36.26 | Guillotine | or was it a sarcastic heh? |
| 02:36.41 | Guillotine | haha |
| 02:36.59 | Ktron | defeated by a bot |
| 02:37.05 | ckknight | lol |
| 02:37.11 | Ktron | ~botsnack |
| 02:37.11 | purl | aw, gee, Ktron |
| 02:38.04 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 02:38.16 | Qzot|RLcrud | Purl's Power Word: Mangling does 4 characters of damage to Ktron's sentence. |
| 02:38.29 | Cairenn | hahaha |
| 02:39.20 | Ktron | hehheh |
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| 02:52.28 | ckknight | anyone know where I can see an example of a dropdown button? |
| 03:08.57 | Legorol | ladies and gents, SavedVariables.lua bug in 1.10: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=333872&p=1&tmp=1#post333872 |
| 03:09.05 | Legorol | if anyone can verify or deny, i'd be grateful |
| 03:10.55 | Tain | I can verify, that post is indeed there. |
| 03:11.11 | Tem | Wow. Anyone see what slouken posted in responce to the disabled person? |
| 03:11.23 | Tain | Yeah I did, that's really amazing. |
| 03:11.28 | Wobin_ | What's the link? |
| 03:11.34 | Legorol | mouselooooooooooook |
| 03:11.53 | Tain | Haven't they already said for about 30 patches now not to use RegisterForSave() |
| 03:12.02 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=333758&p=1&tmp=1#post333758 |
| 03:12.07 | Tem | I have no problem with RegisterForSave poofing |
| 03:13.07 | ckknight | Cairenn, I saw that |
| 03:13.40 | Cairenn | Wobin_ asked for the link |
| 03:13.43 | Legorol | i completely agree that i don't mind regforsave poofing, but it's still a backwards compat breaking bug |
| 03:14.15 | ckknight | ah, okay |
| 03:14.20 | Tem | screw backwards compat |
| 03:14.33 | ckknight | yea, Backwards compatibility can blow me |
| 03:14.43 | Tem | After 6 months of something being deprecated, it should be safe to remove |
| 03:14.52 | Tem | but, if it's still there and bugging, yeah fix it |
| 03:15.19 | Wobin_ | Aye, ta, Cair =) |
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| 03:17.14 | Legorol | Ok the slouken post in the thread that Cair just linked is confusing me |
| 03:17.30 | Legorol | quote from slouken: "..Simply use one that allows you to bind button 1 to move forward toggle, and button 2 to move backward toggle.." |
| 03:17.41 | Legorol | what is this move forward toggle and move backward toggle? |
| 03:17.56 | Legorol | i don't think i have ever seen it.. |
| 03:18.15 | Legorol | the only way i know of toggling movement backward is to do MoveBackwardStart and later MoveBackwardStop |
| 03:18.19 | Legorol | but these are disappearing in 1.10 |
| 03:18.22 | Legorol | so what's he talking about? |
| 03:18.29 | Tain | Maybe the other posts he's made? |
| 03:20.01 | Legorol | Tain, his other posts don't explain how you can have a move backward toggle |
| 03:20.28 | Tain | I don't claim to read every single little word. That's why I said maybe. :) |
| 03:20.52 | Tem | wow, have 2 new ui hosting sites gone up in the last week? |
| 03:21.02 | Cairenn | yup |
| 03:21.30 | Tem | I like the layout of this swervegaming one |
| 03:21.37 | Tem | it looks like they ripped off WoWI |
| 03:21.46 | Tem | but with non wow graphics |
| 03:25.09 | Tem | oh well nothing can top wowi's portals |
| 03:25.24 | Tem | I hate that someone put so much effort into that site and I won't use it |
| 03:27.20 | Tain | Doesn't bother me much. |
| 03:28.35 | Cairenn | does look kinda similar, doesn't it? |
| 03:28.57 | Tem | kinda? |
| 03:29.02 | Tem | the layout is almost identical |
| 03:29.11 | Cairenn | it's a good layout |
| 03:29.33 | Cairenn | easy to navigate |
| 03:29.51 | Tem | I have to admit, it took me a LONG time to get used to WoWI's layout |
| 03:32.16 | ckknight | anyone know an example of a Dropdown Box? |
| 03:50.38 | cladhaire | ckknight: There's one in the Auction UI |
| 03:50.45 | cladhaire | ckknight: The rarity dropdown |
| 03:53.43 | ckknight | okay |
| 03:53.48 | ckknight | thanks |
| 03:53.53 | Guillotine | link to teh site like WoWI? I want to see how close it is |
| 03:54.28 | Cairenn | http://www.swervegaming.com/ |
| 03:54.37 | Guillotine | I think what slouken is referring to in that post aobut mouselook is that remapping keys will still be available from the interface? |
| 03:55.04 | Guillotine | wow. very much like wowi |
| 03:55.22 | Guillotine | graphics are original, but layout is just about exactly the same |
| 03:55.38 | Cairenn | imitation is the sincerest form of flattery |
| 03:55.43 | Guillotine | yup |
| 03:57.31 | Corrodias | unless it's mocking |
| 03:57.58 | cladhaire | is tomorrow friday? |
| 03:58.02 | Cairenn | yup |
| 03:58.07 | cladhaire | Yay! |
| 03:58.13 | cladhaire | staying home "sick" today was a great decision |
| 03:58.40 | cladhaire | now I get to end the week on an up-note, i.e. having gotten sleep =) |
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| 04:16.43 | ckknight | where is the Auction xml file? |
| 04:22.11 | Wobin_ | Not in FrameXML it appears... |
| 04:23.17 | ckknight | yea, I know |
| 04:23.50 | Tem | Blizzard_AuctionUI |
| 04:24.58 | ckknight | all that's in there is Blizzard_AuctionUI.pub for me |
| 04:25.59 | Tem | use the extraction toolkit |
| 04:26.07 | Tem | it'll be there afterward |
| 04:26.07 | Tem | s |
| 04:26.17 | ckknight | oh, I'm looking in the wrong place |
| 04:26.29 | ForgottenLords | anyone know the name of the website where you can publish text files for a short period of time? |
| 04:26.40 | ForgottenLords | I know I've seen people here using it before... just cant recall the name |
| 04:27.29 | zeeg | hahha |
| 04:27.30 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/forums/showthread.php?p=65677#post65677 |
| 04:27.34 | zeeg | gotta loave the troll |
| 04:30.16 | Tem | ForgottenLords: wow.pastebin.com |
| 04:31.12 | ForgottenLords | ahHA! |
| 04:31.13 | ForgottenLords | thanks Tem |
| 04:31.36 | Tem | sure |
| 04:31.55 | Tem | oh man that's cool |
| 04:32.42 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.52 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.58 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:33.16 | Tem | or, more generally |
| 04:34.58 | Tem | http://wow.pastebin.com/593894 |
| 04:35.34 | Tain | You know when I can't log on to test at all when I have an actual idea to test.. it makes me feel less enthusiastic about having ideas. |
| 04:45.21 | MentalPower | gnight guys |
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| 05:23.46 | ckknight | anyone know of an example of a multi-line EditBox? |
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| 05:29.28 | ckknight | nvm |
| 05:57.24 | Cairenn | couple changes to the site: a) We now have a low-bandwidth version that strips most of the graphics out, that folks can chose to have on all the time or not (bottom left corner of the front page you can select which skin). it will force enabled during heavy traffic days. b) if you have a new bug report, feature request or comment on one of your mods, it'll now be indicated under the "my portal" link on the fr |
| 05:57.47 | Cairenn | same as how an updated favorite shows |
| 06:00.06 | ckknight | cool stuff |
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| 09:19.08 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge is Mod Dev Discussions: Keep smiling! It makes people wonder what you are up to... |
| 10:05.08 | Kalroth | hi purl!! |
| 10:05.20 | Kalroth | oh and goodnight Cair |
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| 10:22.05 | Shadowd|Sleep | oh |
| 10:22.07 | Shadowd|Sleep | this is going to be fun |
| 10:22.10 | Shadowd|Sleep | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=7451251&p=1&tmp=1#post7451251 |
| 10:22.20 | Corrodias | FUN YOU SAY! |
| 10:22.43 | Shadowd|Sleep | well i don't have a level 19, so i'm sad that i can't play against them |
| 10:22.52 | Wobin_ | Char?! |
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| 10:24.47 | [MoonWolf] | buch of evil blizzard twinks |
| 10:25.06 | [MoonWolf] | ofcourse this is going to make people say blizzard favours the horde |
| 10:25.08 | Corrodias | do you believe in life after love? |
| 10:25.14 | Shadowd|Sleep | [MoonWolf]: Already done |
| 10:25.23 | Corrodias | i can feel something inside me say, "i really don't think you're strong enough, no!" |
| 10:25.47 | Corrodias | they do, and with good reason: alliance is jerks! :D |
| 10:25.53 | [MoonWolf] | heheh |
| 10:25.58 | Shadowd|Sleep | It took exactly 1 hour, 24 minutes before someone posted "omg blizzard favours the horde" |
| 10:26.14 | Wobin_ | And the reply. Well. Duh =P |
| 10:26.40 | Shadowd|Sleep | Anyway, if i keep talking this is going to turn into "an hour up to late" into "3 hours up to latE" night! |
| 10:27.01 | Corrodias | 'ni |
| 10:27.15 | Shadowd|Sleep | Right after I spend 5 minutes trying to get my mouse into the charger |
| 10:27.27 | Shadowd|Sleep | aha! got it |
| 10:27.58 | Wobin_ | nuthin wrong with Robbie =P |
| 10:28.15 | Corrodias | they played PHIL COLLINS a little while ago |
| 10:28.23 | Corrodias | somebody needs a stranglin' |
| 10:31.01 | Corrodias | at least each person can only request two songs per hour. Frankie Goes To Hollywood - Relax will soothe me |
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| 10:31.49 | Kalroth | phil collins rocks! |
| 10:33.05 | Corrodias | crap, this must be the extra-long version |
| 10:33.17 | Corrodias | it's been playing for two minutes now and there haven't been any lyrics yet |
| 10:33.24 | Kalroth | soooooooooomething is in the aaaaaaaaiiiirrr tooooonight |
| 10:34.09 | Corrodias | http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/music-records/testify-phil-collins/1020957/ |
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| 10:55.34 | namxo | iop |
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| 10:58.53 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge is Mod Dev Discussions: Keep smiling! It makes people wonder what you are up to... |
| 10:59.15 | Corrodias | haha. |
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| 12:25.52 | Kirkburn | Sometimes the sheer stupidity of people on the neowin forums makes me want to blow my head off :( |
| 12:26.12 | Wobin_ | It seems a theme common to most forums |
| 12:27.21 | Kirkburn | Mmmm ... in this case it was their reaction to the Office 2007 shots |
| 12:28.02 | Kirkburn | They saw one picture, didn't like it, and have since decided that the office team are incompetent. This is despite the fact they haven't used it, nor realise it's skinnnable |
| 12:28.12 | Codayus | heh |
| 12:28.17 | Codayus | that sounds like a forum. |
| 12:29.17 | Kirkburn | Even some of the better member like creamhackered joined in. Very disappointing |
| 12:29.48 | Kirkburn | I felt like joining just so that I could post the black version screenshot of Office again and again until they shut up |
| 12:30.08 | Codayus | Try and get them to play WoW. |
| 12:30.23 | Kirkburn | They'd still complain, and we'd have to put up with them :P |
| 12:30.25 | Codayus | They'd fit in well in the priest forum right now. |
| 12:30.31 | Codayus | It can't be worse. |
| 12:30.38 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 12:31.21 | Kirkburn | Blizz have probably made a swingmeter showing the current opinion of each forum |
| 12:31.27 | Codayus | Get them to roll mages. The mage class review is coming up, so it's about time for that forum to implode in a storm of vitriol, poor grammar, and paranoid theories about how the devs are out to kill the class... |
| 12:31.33 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 12:32.13 | Kirkburn | Priest patches get announced ... massive swing to YAY. Suddenly some idiot starts complaining, other join in, it cascades, it starts swinigng the other way, faster, faster, and we all start crying. |
| 12:32.28 | Codayus | Look at this: |
| 12:32.29 | Codayus | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-priest&t=711381&p=1&tmp=1#post711381 |
| 12:33.24 | Kirkburn | You're trying to get me to destroy my computer aren't you |
| 12:33.25 | Codayus | Now, please understand that the first post in that thread is actually quite good. He was restrained in his use of caps, and many of his arguments, although factually wrong, actually had some small degree of internal consistency. |
| 12:33.28 | Kirkburn | Why would you do that Cadyus? |
| 12:33.40 | Kirkburn | *Codayus (sorry) |
| 12:33.44 | [MoonWolf] | the whiners wil always find a reason to whine |
| 12:33.45 | Codayus | There are many posts which are actually worse. :-/ |
| 12:34.08 | [MoonWolf] | the priest changes were good, and i think blizzard did their best to give the holy tree somehting new and original |
| 12:34.09 | Kirkburn | "Light well oh my goggles what a laugh, I mean less then a runecloth bandage and takes 2 seconds longer to get the full effect." <--- er, what? |
| 12:34.13 | [MoonWolf] | respect for that. |
| 12:34.49 | Kirkburn | Oh is he saying that he wants lightwell to be an instant full heal or something? |
| 12:35.18 | Codayus | Oh, yeah, the priest review has been very good so far. Not everything has come off perfectly - for example, the lightwell the esteemed Mr Koisen is complaining about, or the priest racials, but even so, they aren't breaking stuff. |
| 12:35.23 | [MoonWolf] | i think he wants lightwell to be an instant HOT that heals for 1000 per second for half an hour. |
| 12:35.28 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 12:35.45 | Wobin_ | It'll be good to see tactics in which Lightwell gets used... |
| 12:35.48 | Kirkburn | I'm sure they'll do something about the dmg breaking it |
| 12:36.01 | Kirkburn | I think the trap change they made makes sense |
| 12:36.02 | [MoonWolf] | lightwell is original, i think that if they add one more rank to it that heals for more then the highest rank now |
| 12:36.07 | [MoonWolf] | then it would be perfect. |
| 12:36.08 | Codayus | Lightwell as it stands is almost completely worthless, but A) It's being looked at and B) It's a completely new spell. If ONE priest uses it ONCE and gets some benefit the class is ahead. :-) |
| 12:36.09 | Wobin_ | It is, actually, somewhat ineffective atm |
| 12:36.26 | [MoonWolf] | but its damn original. |
| 12:36.31 | Wobin_ | aye |
| 12:36.54 | Kirkburn | It basically gives u a heal buff which breaks on dmg? |
| 12:37.02 | Codayus | Well, it should. |
| 12:37.23 | Kirkburn | Oh why oh why: "english class? I wrote this in like 3 min I type fast and crappily but my arguments are there and solid... I mean wtf this is a forum not a college classroom" |
| 12:37.30 | Codayus | It actually gives a heal buff which breaks on almost anything. Damage, hostile spelle effects, random breezes, getting cursed... |
| 12:37.34 | Wobin_ | I hate that argument |
| 12:37.36 | Codayus | That's apparently a bug. |
| 12:37.55 | Wobin_ | There should be a writing test before being allowed to post |
| 12:37.57 | Kirkburn | How exactly do forums not follow a language? I've never understood that |
| 12:38.26 | [MoonWolf] | not a clue |
| 12:38.40 | [MoonWolf] | i had this really cool idea that could work well in the holy tree too. |
| 12:38.42 | Kirkburn | This is a forum NOOB, I can speak Japanese if I want! I demand japanese answers! WHERE ARE YOU CAY! BLUE, I want compensation for my sadness!!!!111111 wtf nerf nerf |
| 12:38.54 | Wobin_ | As soon as people realise that a crappily formed 'argument' is a 'crappily formed argument' the better. |
| 12:39.04 | Kirkburn | indeed |
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| 12:39.36 | Kirkburn | He defends his whining by pointing out that he's whining. |
| 12:39.44 | Wobin_ | At least he's consistant =P |
| 12:39.58 | Kalroth | "Forum access question #1: Do you believe that you are correct? (No leads to the forum, yes leads to Goatse)" |
| 12:40.05 | [MoonWolf] | a 5 minute buff on a 15 minute timer that allow the target to store(not regenerate only heals not HOT) 100% more health (tweak the percentage to something aporoprate) |
| 12:41.05 | Wobin_ | or Tubgirl |
| 12:41.22 | Kirkburn | :s |
| 12:41.27 | Kalroth | she's too hot for generic forum trash |
| 12:41.35 | Codayus | Also! If I see one more priest claiming that GHeal was nerfed in 1.10, I won't be responsible for my actions. :-/ |
| 12:41.42 | Wobin_ | So... like an instant heal on countdown, Moon? |
| 12:41.48 | [MoonWolf] | the extra health is lost when the subject leaves combat, you lose 5% of the extra health per 5 seconds |
| 12:41.54 | [MoonWolf] | Wobin_, no an overhealing buffer |
| 12:41.59 | Wobin_ | ah, |
| 12:42.01 | Wobin_ | no |
| 12:42.01 | [MoonWolf] | if a healer overheals the extra health is not lost. |
| 12:42.06 | Wobin_ | We want to encourage good healing =P |
| 12:42.18 | Wobin_ | I had a priest in my party that spammed prayer of healing ALL THE TIME |
| 12:42.23 | Codayus | Naaa. learn2heal. :-P |
| 12:42.23 | Wobin_ | It was painful to behold |
| 12:42.32 | Kalroth | he had a huuuuge mana pool? :p |
| 12:42.37 | [MoonWolf] | im not even a healer |
| 12:42.41 | Wobin_ | she kept going oom =P |
| 12:42.44 | [MoonWolf] | i thought it was a good idea for a 31 point talent. |
| 12:42.44 | Codayus | Wobin_: I was in a MC raid with a priest who spammed PoH all the time. |
| 12:43.09 | Kalroth | PoH is good on Vael and/or when you ress up after a wipe, nothing else :) |
| 12:43.10 | Codayus | A *shadow* priest. |
| 12:43.19 | Kirkburn | It's disturbing me how silent the Windows Defender updates are. I just saw the downloading icon appear, was just gonna check out it. But it's already gone, and I've already been updated :s |
| 12:43.20 | Wobin_ | Was he like "yay, top of the healing ranks!"? |
| 12:43.34 | Codayus | Now, I know healing meters mean very little...but still...he had 3-4x more overheal than anyone else, and he was still duking it out with the non-healing specced pallies on the healing charts. |
| 12:43.38 | Codayus | No! |
| 12:43.39 | [MoonWolf] | isnt the idea of a shadow priest a damage dealer that backs up the normal healers in case of a problem ? |
| 12:43.40 | Codayus | That's the sad thing! |
| 12:43.50 | Codayus | He wasn't even top of the charts! SO SAD! |
| 12:44.04 | Wobin_ | That's usually my role, aye |
| 12:44.09 | Codayus | Yep. |
| 12:44.22 | Kalroth | shadow priests are a waste of a raid slot |
| 12:44.27 | Codayus | That's what smart shadow priests do... |
| 12:44.30 | Wobin_ | Although, I can pretty much maintain dps even without shadowform |
| 12:44.45 | Wobin_ | I dunno, I'd have to agree, Kal =P |
| 12:44.45 | Codayus | Kalroth: Lies. Smart shadow priests pull their wait. Of course...I haven't SEEN one. |
| 12:44.54 | Wobin_ | I'm not at raiding spec yet |
| 12:45.07 | Wobin_ | but if you've got a well planned raid, you shouldn't need shadowpriests |
| 12:45.08 | Codayus | ...in ZG... |
| 12:45.32 | Wobin_ | VE would be so much more effective if it counted -all- shadow damage =P |
| 12:45.39 | Kalroth | ns |
| 12:45.43 | Wobin_ | I could pair up with a 'lock and stay in shadowform =) |
| 12:45.48 | Kalroth | then shadow priests > * in AQ40 ;) |
| 12:46.06 | Codayus | Yeah...as it is, it's kind of a nice soloing trick, but not much else. |
| 12:46.08 | Codayus | A lot like spirit tap... |
| 12:46.16 | Wobin_ | I like blackout |
| 12:46.17 | Codayus | But meh, shadow doesn't need MORE buffs. |
| 12:46.22 | [MoonWolf] | lock + shadowpriest is awesome damage double team. |
| 12:46.37 | Kalroth | in pvp sure :) |
| 12:46.39 | Wobin_ | with rank one SW:Pain, I can proc the stun -and- get the shadow vuln up |
| 12:47.05 | Wobin_ | Even PvE |
| 12:47.25 | Kalroth | in PvE it's; "harro aggro! plz taunt more!!!" |
| 12:47.53 | [MoonWolf] | PvE casters should controll their damage |
| 12:48.04 | [MoonWolf] | those who dont should be shot. |
| 12:48.07 | Kalroth | should being the keyword, most of them don't :) |
| 12:48.28 | Wobin_ | it's easy enough to time it all so that aggro is maintained |
| 12:48.50 | Kalroth | like when we get frost vulnerable draknoids in BWL, you can hear 3-4 frost mages cream their pants while they mash that frostbolt hotkey |
| 12:48.51 | Codayus | And shadow priests get some really nice threat reduction talents. |
| 12:49.03 | [MoonWolf] | wait for the tank to have some decent agro, then keep doing your main damage spells in a nice and predictable rate |
| 12:49.05 | Wobin_ | Well, Fade for one. |
| 12:49.11 | [MoonWolf] | if you get a crit wait a second or two. |
| 12:49.13 | Wobin_ | and the shadowthreat reduc |
| 12:49.40 | Codayus | 45% less thread from all shadow damage spells if they spec for it, and a pve shadow priest will. |
| 12:49.52 | [MoonWolf] | depending on tank and encouter slightly change tactick |
| 12:49.54 | Wobin_ | of course, at that point, with 25% extra shadow damage (with 'lock).... =) |
| 12:49.55 | [MoonWolf] | its not that hard. |
| 12:50.10 | Wobin_ | And if the lock is specc'd well, even more +shadowdam |
| 12:50.35 | [MoonWolf] | plus the shadow vuln proc from shadowbolt from time to time. |
| 12:50.48 | Wobin_ | It's shadowtastic =P |
| 12:51.12 | Codayus | Mages whine about it. :-) |
| 12:51.21 | [MoonWolf] | shadow is the superior damage type |
| 12:51.39 | [MoonWolf] | fire can go fsk itself |
| 12:51.49 | Codayus | But it's a bit academic as far as I'm concerned. My guild is so short on healers that any priests we can beg borrow or steal are pressganged into healing...whether they're specced and geared for it or not. |
| 12:51.51 | Wobin_ | hehe =) |
| 12:52.02 | Wobin_ | Oh, I have no problem being mainhealer |
| 12:52.22 | Codayus | Hence, for example, the site of a pvp specced priest in the full blue pvp set trying to use vampiric embrace to heal in ZG. *sigh* |
| 12:52.24 | Wobin_ | I'm not precisely specced for it, but I haven't had any issues yet (with careful use of major mana potions =P) |
| 12:52.33 | Codayus | *nod8 |
| 12:52.58 | [MoonWolf] | shadowpriests never were BAD healers |
| 12:53.01 | Wobin_ | I do have a lot of +heal stuff though |
| 12:53.07 | [MoonWolf] | holy priests are simply a bit better at it. |
| 12:53.08 | Wobin_ | I <3 my latest ST run |
| 12:53.22 | Wobin_ | I picked up 3 items (2 blue) with +heal |
| 12:53.53 | Wobin_ | I need to start going towards BRD |
| 12:54.04 | Codayus | Holy talents in 1.9 are quite weak. Gear and skill is important to healing ability. Talents...not so much. |
| 12:54.17 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 12:54.22 | Wobin_ | That's why 1.10 is nicer =) |
| 12:54.29 | [MoonWolf] | like i said, holy priests are a bit better |
| 12:55.00 | Kirkburn | This is funny/crazy/scary story ... remember that car crash that the Gizmondo exec had about a month ago, totalling his ferrari? http://www.gamerevolution.com/static/index.php?section=feature&sub=gizmondo&page=index |
| 12:55.05 | [MoonWolf] | I wonder what use power infusion will get in raids. |
| 12:55.20 | Wobin_ | how does that work, Moon? |
| 12:55.27 | Codayus | [MoonWolf]: By about 10% when naked. The amount drops as you get better gear... (Since spiritual healing doesn't count +healing) |
| 12:56.07 | [MoonWolf] | 20%(i think) effect like the WSG berserker buff. |
| 12:56.18 | [MoonWolf] | Codayus, kk |
| 12:57.04 | Kirkburn | A flow chart for y'all: http://www.gamerevolution.com/images/feature/gizmondo/flow_chart.gif |
| 12:57.16 | Codayus | Yeah. 3 min cooldown, lasts for 15s. Increases spell damage and healing by 20%. |
| 12:57.30 | Codayus | Sounds like fun. |
| 12:58.12 | Wobin_ | feh, I'd have that active as much as possible |
| 12:58.22 | Wobin_ | I mean, why not? =) |
| 12:58.24 | [MoonWolf] | i hope it stacks |
| 12:58.43 | Codayus | Seems like it'd be most fun in PvP, but...hell, so many things to do with it. |
| 12:58.45 | [MoonWolf] | get a lot of priets to buff you, then instakill warriors with shadowbolt. |
| 12:58.52 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 12:59.05 | [MoonWolf] | then die when it runs out. |
| 12:59.10 | Wobin_ | I wish the size of the spell effect reflected the damage |
| 12:59.28 | Wobin_ | So a supercrit shadowbolt would be the size of a horse or something =) |
| 12:59.34 | Codayus | PI a druid whenever they Innervate you as a thank you maybe... :-P |
| 12:59.56 | Wobin_ | You'd want to PI before the innervate? |
| 12:59.57 | [MoonWolf] | maybe if you powerinfuse the druid the innervate get better :P |
| 13:00.14 | Codayus | Hmmm. |
| 13:00.27 | Codayus | Probably wouldn't have any effect.... |
| 13:00.30 | Codayus | <shrug> |
| 13:00.40 | [MoonWolf] | fun to think about though. |
| 13:02.11 | Wobin_ | hehe The driuid recieves the PI "Oh, the priest gave me a power boost... hrm, Innervate or.... MOONSPAM!!!" |
| 13:02.25 | Codayus | lol |
| 13:03.15 | Wobin_ | With an instant cast spell you'd essentially get a 'free' cast in amongst the damage... |
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| 13:06.15 | Codayus | Okay, that gizmondo thing is weird as hell. |
| 13:06.35 | Kirkburn | I do love when blogs report 2 month old news "dotWarcraft: PC Gamers says No more gold ads" |
| 13:06.44 | Kirkburn | Codayus, very very weird |
| 13:07.04 | Kirkburn | Ooh: "We're looking to test the new hardware, and we're jumping in ourselves to help! A team of Blizzard employees will be jumping into Warsong |
| 13:07.04 | Kirkburn | Gulch from 5:00 PM to 8:00 PM PST Friday, March 10 as a hardened Horde group seeking Alliance action on the PvP Contest Realm! If you're |
| 13:07.04 | Kirkburn | looking to fight against Blizzard's crew, there's never been a better chance! Get leveling tonight -- we'll be waiting in the Gulch!" |
| 13:07.28 | Kirkburn | (godDAMN some people's website coding. Grr) |
| 13:08.14 | Kirkburn | (if you need to put line breaks within sentences, there's something wrong with your coding, I say) |
| 13:10.16 | [MoonWolf] | yay for the <P> tag and using it correctly |
| 13:11.06 | [MoonWolf] | and the only acceptable place for a :nbsp& is in an empty table cell |
| 13:11.31 | Kirkburn | Btw, I didn't copy that from the official site, it was someone elses website :P [Moonwolf] How can I put double spaces anywhere then? |
| 13:11.42 | [MoonWolf] | not |
| 13:11.54 | Kirkburn | "don't"? |
| 13:11.54 | [MoonWolf] | where do you need double spaces ? |
| 13:12.19 | Kirkburn | Not often, but it annoys me that Dreamweaver actively prevents me from doing so |
| 13:12.25 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 13:12.34 | [MoonWolf] | I dont use dreamweaver |
| 13:12.41 | [MoonWolf] | i use a flat text editor thats all |
| 13:12.54 | Kirkburn | I'm not advanced enough for that yet |
| 13:12.55 | Wobin_ | Although... technically you should put double spaces after a punctuation mark |
| 13:12.58 | Kirkburn | NO |
| 13:13.02 | Wobin_ | But noone really follows that rule |
| 13:13.05 | Kirkburn | That you shoudn't do |
| 13:13.12 | Wobin_ | At least not in electronic media |
| 13:13.21 | Kirkburn | On a typewriter maybe |
| 13:13.30 | Wobin_ | I'd more say, with handwriting =) |
| 13:13.37 | Kirkburn | Yes that's okay |
| 13:13.43 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 13:13.56 | Kirkburn | Just please don't go telling more people to do it in Word. It's bad enough as it is |
| 13:13.59 | Beladona | double spaces? |
| 13:14.11 | Wobin_ | like. this. |
| 13:14.15 | [MoonWolf] | never heard of that rule. |
| 13:14.16 | Kirkburn | Blah blah blah. Blah blah blah. Blah blah blah |
| 13:14.16 | Beladona | can be done via css, or using the element |
| 13:14.19 | Kirkburn | ^what he said |
| 13:14.28 | [MoonWolf] | death to |
| 13:14.39 | Beladona |   then |
| 13:14.44 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 13:15.36 | Beladona | but yeah, css will let you change font spacing and boundaries |
| 13:15.46 | Beladona | which is what you should be using anyway |
| 13:15.58 | [MoonWolf] | aaaah |
| 13:15.58 | [MoonWolf] | you said it |
| 13:16.00 | Kirkburn | FrontPage ftw! (At least it loads quicker than Dreamweaver) |
| 13:16.07 | [MoonWolf] | you said the NAME aaaaaaah!!!!! |
| 13:16.15 | [MoonWolf] | it burns my eyes. |
| 13:16.20 | Beladona | FrontPage is like washing your car with sewage |
| 13:16.28 | Wobin_ | Now you must fetch a SHRUBBERY! |
| 13:16.29 | krka|work | i find it need to use at the end of a div to make IE display background-images properly |
| 13:16.39 | Kirkburn | Tadaa! http://blogs.msdn.com/fontblog/archive/2005/11/03/488794.aspx |
| 13:16.55 | [MoonWolf] | okay, IE stupididites are excluded. |
| 13:17.18 | Beladona | IE and Frontpage play nice together |
| 13:17.20 | krka|work | why would you need in empty table cells btw? |
| 13:17.24 | Kirkburn | Mmmm, quotey: "In typography when a page is composed, we often talk about the “typographic color” of the page. This has nothing to do with red or green or yellow, it is about how the text forms an overall blackness or even tone on the page. You can see this yourself, by looking at a page of text, and slightly squinting your eyes. You should see in a well typeset page an overall even tone, nothing should jump out at you. There are a few things t |
| 13:17.24 | Beladona | which kind of says it all... |
| 13:17.24 | Kirkburn | hat help make this happen. The design of the letterforms themselves should be consistent, the spacing between the letters themselves should be balanced, and also the spacing between words and lines should be correctly set for the typeface. Often, with well designed typefaces and good software, much of this should come out well without having to worry, the typographic color should be good, and the text block will form an even texture. When a double |
| 13:17.25 | Kirkburn | space is used after a period, this breaks up the texture and flow, of the paragraph and the whole page, and introduces what we call “rivers” in the text. This is distracting to the eye, and can disrupt or even slow down reading." |
| 13:17.37 | [MoonWolf] | Kirkburn, did you have to do that / |
| 13:17.56 | Kirkburn | Yes. |
| 13:17.59 | [MoonWolf] | ?* |
| 13:18.05 | Beladona | I find linking works really well |
| 13:18.09 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 13:18.21 | Kirkburn | Heh, that was from the comments section though, so easily missed |
| 13:18.42 | Kirkburn | I don't trust you people to look ;) |
| 13:18.52 | [MoonWolf] | krka|work, helps with empty table cells. |
| 13:18.59 | Kirkburn | Hmm, IE7 doesn't play as nicely with frontpage |
| 13:19.03 | krka|work | helps how? |
| 13:19.14 | Wobin_ | kirk: ironic =P |
| 13:19.19 | Beladona | IE7 is an attempt to meet w3c standards |
| 13:19.28 | Beladona | among other things |
| 13:19.34 | Kirkburn | They're getting there, it's goos to see |
| 13:19.37 | Kirkburn | *good |
| 13:19.40 | Beladona | hence it not playing nice with FP |
| 13:20.01 | Kirkburn | Btw, what are div tags for? |
| 13:20.01 | Beladona | they didn't do it because it was the right thing to do |
| 13:20.03 | [MoonWolf] | standards good. |
| 13:20.05 | [MoonWolf] | IE6 bad. |
| 13:20.14 | Beladona | they did it because they have seen their market share of browsers drop in the past year or two |
| 13:20.26 | Wobin_ | div tags are for... sectioning off parts |
| 13:20.28 | Wobin_ | ? |
| 13:20.35 | [MoonWolf] | http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_tables.asp |
| 13:20.37 | Kirkburn | That's what happens when you miss 6 years of active development |
| 13:20.38 | Beladona | div tags are extremely useful |
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| 13:20.45 | [MoonWolf] | krka|work, read that |
| 13:20.46 | Wobin_ | div tags are great |
| 13:20.50 | [MoonWolf] | explains it better then me. |
| 13:21.15 | [MoonWolf] | divs are great indeed |
| 13:21.37 | Kirkburn | What can they save me? |
| 13:21.39 | krka|work | i thought you said stupidities were excluded :P |
| 13:21.46 | Beladona | with the exception of some of the actual tables, wdn is made of divs |
| 13:21.57 | krka|work | divs aren't really that special |
| 13:22.18 | Kirkburn | ooh |
| 13:22.23 | [MoonWolf] | krka|work, yeah i did. :P |
| 13:22.30 | [MoonWolf] | nope, but they are pretty nice |
| 13:22.42 | Kirkburn | Would they help with a website like this: http://seis.bris.ac.uk/~gp3509/Chig/ |
| 13:23.06 | krka|work | so in empty table cells should be considered due to a stupidity |
| 13:23.10 | Beladona | tables take more code than divs |
| 13:23.16 | Beladona | for the same effect |
| 13:23.20 | [MoonWolf] | true enough krka|work |
| 13:23.23 | krka|work | depends on what the effect is |
| 13:23.25 | Beladona | divs are also much more css customizable |
| 13:23.39 | krka|work | coding a table in divs would be better done with table :P |
| 13:23.43 | [MoonWolf] | if the effect is simply lining out the text Beladona is mostly right. |
| 13:23.45 | Beladona | right |
| 13:23.51 | Beladona | which is why it is called a table |
| 13:23.55 | krka|work | yes |
| 13:24.09 | [MoonWolf] | divs are certainly more flexible when combined with css then tables. |
| 13:24.13 | Beladona | if you want a spreadsheet |
| 13:24.16 | Beladona | use a table |
| 13:24.23 | Beladona | =P |
| 13:24.36 | [MoonWolf] | or a grid or an actual table in the page. |
| 13:25.15 | krka|work | uhm.... tables aren't flexible with css? |
| 13:25.29 | Kirkburn | Here's something I've never worked out - how do you make a cell only a couple of pixels high? |
| 13:25.35 | Beladona | <div>mycode</div is easier on the eyes than <table><tr><td>mycode</td></tr></table> from a reading code standpoint as well |
| 13:25.40 | Kirkburn | (i.e. less than the text height) |
| 13:25.56 | [MoonWolf] | Kirkburn, never tried.... |
| 13:25.57 | Beladona | tables are flexible with css, but not AS flexible |
| 13:26.12 | krka|work | what can you do with divs with css that you can't do with tables? |
| 13:26.17 | Beladona | uhh |
| 13:26.19 | Beladona | a lot |
| 13:26.28 | krka|work | such as? |
| 13:26.34 | Beladona | can you take the table cells and reposition them individually? |
| 13:26.38 | Wobin_ | everything? |
| 13:26.40 | Beladona | float them left or right |
| 13:26.48 | Kalroth | krka, http://www.csszengarden.com/ |
| 13:26.49 | Beladona | individual widths, without affecting subsequent cells |
| 13:26.51 | krka|work | i can take tables and reposition them individually |
| 13:26.59 | [MoonWolf] | http://www.csszengarden.com/ |
| 13:27.00 | Wobin_ | Zengarden is a good example |
| 13:27.00 | Beladona | whyole tables sure |
| 13:27.02 | [MoonWolf] | look at that |
| 13:27.02 | Beladona | whole* |
| 13:27.09 | krka|work | everything you can do to a _div_ you can do to a _table_ |
| 13:27.11 | [MoonWolf] | it shows what you can do with divs very well. |
| 13:27.18 | Beladona | I absolutely disagree |
| 13:27.35 | Wobin_ | yeah, divs are more flexible than tables |
| 13:27.39 | Kirkburn | I like cheese. |
| 13:27.58 | Wobin_ | Frogs are funny. |
| 13:27.59 | [MoonWolf] | cheese goes with everything, but it goes better with divs then with tables :P |
| 13:28.07 | Kirkburn | I also like how zengarden works in IE7 :) |
| 13:28.23 | Beladona | some pages can only be done with separate divs |
| 13:28.27 | krka|work | can you give an example of where table is limited compared to div? |
| 13:28.28 | Beladona | it could be done with tables I guess |
| 13:28.29 | Kirkburn | Such an amazing site - I'm gonna have to look into doing more than one CSS file |
| 13:28.37 | Beladona | replace each div with a single cell table |
| 13:28.43 | Beladona | but that would just be assinine |
| 13:28.51 | Kalroth | lol |
| 13:30.17 | Wobin_ | oh I really like the Mozart CSS |
| 13:30.35 | Wobin_ | The fixed position music script banners work fantastically |
| 13:30.39 | [MoonWolf] | the font hurts my eyes |
| 13:30.46 | krka|work | the goggles, they do nothing |
| 13:30.53 | Kalroth | :D |
| 13:31.09 | Kalroth | it's "ze goggles, ze goggles, zey do nothing!" |
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| 13:31.37 | Kalroth | hi Leggy |
| 13:31.39 | Kirkburn | People can be so rude over the net - someone said on the worldofwar shot box that "Someone should be fired" due to the recent site issues - yes, I bet he pays for the service they provide. |
| 13:31.44 | Legorol | hiya |
| 13:31.50 | Legorol | AddOns can no longer use RegisterForSave |
| 13:32.08 | Beladona | there are arguments for using tables too sometimes |
| 13:32.10 | Legorol | Cosmos has about 10 AddOns still using them... *sigh* |
| 13:32.10 | [MoonWolf] | http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=193/193.css <- i like it. |
| 13:32.24 | Kirkburn | Seriously Legorol? I'm shocked |
| 13:32.31 | Kalroth | Beladona: use tables when you want to display spreadsheet'ish data, use css when you want to design a page |
| 13:32.39 | Kalroth | Beladona: it's not that hard :p |
| 13:32.39 | Legorol | well... frankly, noone should be using RegForSave, so it's better this way |
| 13:32.45 | Legorol | but still, it's going to break a number of mods |
| 13:32.54 | Kirkburn | I agree |
| 13:32.58 | krka|work | Save RegisterForSave! |
| 13:33.03 | Legorol | indeed |
| 13:33.08 | Legorol | let's make a petition |
| 13:33.13 | [MoonWolf] | kill registerforsave! |
| 13:33.20 | krka|work | RegisterForTheWin |
| 13:33.23 | Legorol | those were the days when all data went in CVars |
| 13:33.48 | krka|work | breaking addons is fine, l2p |
| 13:33.52 | Wobin_ | SaveForRegister! |
| 13:33.55 | Legorol | krka, that's l2c |
| 13:33.56 | Wobin_ | .com |
| 13:33.58 | Legorol | learn2code |
| 13:34.02 | Kalroth | make a fake RegisterForSave in cosmos library, then use cosmos patcher to hook game client and inject your own RegisterForSave code! |
| 13:34.12 | Kalroth | (yes, I'm just kidding ..) |
| 13:34.14 | Beladona | any data that needs to be displayed in rows should be in a table. You can't maintain a 500 row table in divs |
| 13:34.21 | Legorol | lol Kalroth, the idea isn't bad actually... |
| 13:34.32 | krka|work | Beladona, or in a list |
| 13:34.32 | Kalroth | Legorol: Warden would be all over it though :) |
| 13:34.32 | Legorol | we could hook RegForSave and save the data in a savedvar |
| 13:34.43 | Legorol | no no, i'm thinking of a purely Lua solution |
| 13:34.52 | Kalroth | oh :) |
| 13:34.56 | krka|work | good thinking lego |
| 13:34.58 | Legorol | don't want to go anywhere near that mean despot |
| 13:35.15 | Kalroth | well make an override/replacement of the function and simulate what it does/returns, sure |
| 13:35.23 | Legorol | but tbh, it's not worth the effort |
| 13:35.27 | krka|work | would need metatables too |
| 13:35.48 | Legorol | i'd rather took the effort and got rid of all instances of RegForSave |
| 13:36.15 | krka|work | i think i will stop coding for wow, blizzard will probably break it soon |
| 13:36.30 | Legorol | omg, i just realised... this breaks ThottBot! |
| 13:36.48 | Kalroth | patch 1.13 - Minor change to addon system: Lua language has been replaced by LISP |
| 13:36.54 | Legorol | noooooooo |
| 13:36.59 | krka|work | YAY! |
| 13:37.04 | Kalroth | haha |
| 13:37.06 | Legorol | Lua is my favourite |
| 13:37.08 | krka|work | LITHP you mean |
| 13:37.14 | Legorol | damn you, leaked patch notes! |
| 13:37.24 | Josh_Borke | NOOO! |
| 13:37.31 | krka|work | patch 1.13 - Minor change to addon system: Lua 5.0 has been replaced by Lua 5.1 |
| 13:37.31 | Kalroth | (((((((addon_version = "1.0")))))))) |
| 13:37.34 | Josh_Borke | anything but lisp :-( |
| 13:37.47 | krka|work | QBASIC |
| 13:40.08 | krka|work | wouldn't RegisterForSave be extremely easy to fix? |
| 13:42.22 | Wobin_ | Lua should be replaced with Miranda =) |
| 13:42.34 | Legorol | krka: not for some of the things that it's used for |
| 13:42.35 | Wobin_ | Go Go Functional Language! |
| 13:42.41 | Legorol | well.. |
| 13:42.45 | Kirkburn | I think it says something for Anvilbeards popularity (Eu forums) when his birthday thread gets posts from Thundgot, Vaneras, Aeus, Gnorog, Vaneck and Daghorn (the entire EU CM, mods etc staff) |
| 13:42.51 | Legorol | i guess you could.. |
| 13:43.11 | Legorol | ROFL, they just messed up the EU test realms |
| 13:43.17 | Wobin_ | howso? |
| 13:43.29 | Legorol | some of the realms disappeared, and the chars from the PvP contest realm magically got ported to the PvE test realm |
| 13:43.37 | Legorol | it's total mayhem in there |
| 13:43.40 | Legorol | everyone's screaming |
| 13:43.53 | krka|work | Legorol, how is it used then? |
| 13:43.54 | Kirkburn | lool |
| 13:44.03 | Legorol | i should quickly level my char whilst it's on a PvE realm :D |
| 13:44.08 | Legorol | although i feel that a giant rollback is coming |
| 13:45.33 | [MoonWolf] | most likely |
| 13:45.34 | [MoonWolf] | more fair |
| 13:46.13 | Kirkburn | I like how there's both a nerf the 45min baron quest and a leave it be thread going on concurrently on there |
| 13:46.17 | Tain | I'd feel bad about people using RegisterForSave() still if it were something that was said say a patch ago, you should stop using it. |
| 13:46.45 | krka|work | lego, please tell how thott is using RFS? |
| 13:49.16 | Kirkburn | Want to work at Blizz EU - here's the thread for you! http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-general-en/886414.htm |
| 13:49.39 | Tain | Will they pay my relocation costs? |
| 13:49.51 | [MoonWolf] | yes |
| 13:50.02 | [MoonWolf] | i think |
| 13:50.41 | Tain | ehn nothing listed for me. |
| 13:53.04 | Kirkburn | Interesting, Blizzard don't actually have a rule about employees revealing their characters. Not that they would anyway |
| 13:54.07 | Tain | It's in an employees best interest not to if they ever want to actually play the game. |
| 13:54.32 | [MoonWolf] | yeah |
| 13:54.50 | Wobin_ | true |
| 13:54.53 | Tain | Otherwise you run the risk of getting bombarded with questions, requests, demands, death threats, etc., every time you log on. |
| 13:55.06 | Wobin_ | and the ignore list is only so long =P |
| 13:55.12 | Tain | I know. :( |
| 13:55.23 | Tain | The ignore list needs to be bigger, I keep forgetting to request that as an enhancement. |
| 13:55.31 | Wobin_ | although you could possibly get special dispensation as an employee =P |
| 13:55.44 | Tain | You can ignore with an addon though. |
| 13:56.06 | [MoonWolf] | imagine what we do to slouken, but then with the average wow forum troll. and a server full of them. |
| 13:56.20 | krka|work | mm... that's HOT |
| 13:57.20 | Kirkburn | Freaks |
| 13:57.53 | Kirkburn | :) I'm off back into Uni ... see yas later |
| 13:58.07 | [MoonWolf] | cya |
| 14:17.51 | krka|work | is there any addon that will detect whenever you interact with an npc and makes a note of where he is? |
| 14:18.49 | [MoonWolf] | if there is i have not heard of it. |
| 14:29.29 | Tem_ | krka|work: I think there used to be |
| 14:29.33 | Tem_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.33 | Wobin_ | You can do it with BetterWaypoints |
| 14:29.39 | Wobin_ | and Mapnotes |
| 14:29.59 | Wobin_ | Well, BetterWaypoints stores all the quest npcs |
| 14:30.13 | Wobin_ | which is damned useful |
| 14:30.57 | Tem|Study | d'oh! |
| 14:31.04 | Tem|Study | I'm out of nicks to link to my main nick |
| 14:31.10 | Tem|Study | oh well |
| 14:31.35 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 14:35.30 | krka|work | i basically just want to store all npcs by name and by what they can provide |
| 14:35.53 | krka|work | so i can do /find bank and get an icon on the map for the nearest banker |
| 14:36.09 | Josh_Borke | that would be a very cool mod |
| 14:36.17 | krka|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:36.36 | krka|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:36.37 | krka|work | et.c. |
| 14:37.11 | krka|work | but we can't hook interaction thingy now can we? |
| 14:39.14 | Legorol | krka: btw, AT works again on the test realms (for now) |
| 14:39.27 | Legorol | due to RunBinding exploit |
| 14:39.34 | Legorol | it's been fixed already internally |
| 14:39.36 | Josh_Borke | what is AT? |
| 14:39.38 | Legorol | but not live on test realms yet |
| 14:39.40 | krka|work | yeah, i noticed that thread |
| 14:39.51 | Legorol | the good old days... weeeee |
| 14:39.55 | krka|work | i've given up, all clever hacks will be disabled quickly |
| 14:40.03 | Josh_Borke | oh wait, nvm, i figured it out :-D |
| 14:47.08 | Josh_Borke | if I have kill Lucifron, I cannot join another raid group that has not killed Lucifron until my raidID resets, correct? |
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| 14:48.41 | Wobin_ | krka: That sounds like a very cool mod |
| 14:50.45 | Kalroth | Josh_Borke: Correct |
| 14:51.32 | Josh_Borke | perhaps in the expansion, it will be that if i have killed lucifron, i can join another raidID iff lucifron is already dead |
| 14:51.53 | Josh_Borke | so that the lock is on what bosses have been killed, rather than if any has been killed |
| 14:52.06 | Kalroth | I doubt it |
| 14:52.39 | Josh_Borke | would that not be a good thing though? it would allow for more flexibility for people |
| 14:53.20 | Kalroth | yeah, but I think it'd be too much of a hassle to code |
| 14:53.33 | Josh_Borke | probably. oh well |
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| 15:02.44 | Kirkburn | krka|work, that mods exists I think |
| 15:02.57 | Kirkburn | Doesn't MetaMap do it |
| 15:03.16 | krka|work | no idea, that's why i am asking : |
| 15:03.30 | Kirkburn | Well obviously, and that's why I'm answering :P |
| 15:03.39 | Kirkburn | I'm pretty sure metamap does it |
| 15:03.54 | Kirkburn | Of course, there's also WoW Catropgraphe |
| 15:04.00 | Kirkburn | *Cartographe |
| 15:04.11 | Kirkburn | But that's not in-game |
| 15:04.12 | Josh_Borke | no, metamap does not keeep track of that |
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| 15:04.34 | Wobin_ | Cartographe is nice.. but external =\ |
| 15:04.36 | Josh_Borke | you can add notes to CT_MapMod |
| 15:04.37 | Kirkburn | It doesn't keep track of mob locations? |
| 15:04.49 | Josh_Borke | if you manually create the note, yes |
| 15:04.57 | Inokis | sweet, it actually worked |
| 15:05.06 | Wobin_ | That's why I like Betterwaypoints. |
| 15:05.07 | Kalroth | hooray for Inokis! |
| 15:05.13 | Josh_Borke | yay inokis! |
| 15:05.16 | Wobin_ | It automatically adds the npcs |
| 15:05.26 | Inokis | hate to cut it short but i'm off to work, just had to get trillian configured for this channel |
| 15:05.33 | Kalroth | :D |
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| 15:07.00 | Kirkburn | Hi bye hi bye |
| 15:07.32 | Kirkburn | The swervegaming site has reduced itself to advertising on the others |
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| 15:08.10 | Kirkburn | Btw, what happened to "Nawty"? |
| 15:10.27 | Kirkburn | Er, NPC locations: http://membersui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=2173 |
| 15:10.49 | Kirkburn | But no, it doesn't store what they sell |
| 15:10.59 | Kirkburn | It is MetaMap though |
| 15:17.21 | Wobin_ | Nawty? |
| 15:18.02 | krka|work | i believe it was some time till instance reset-addon |
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| 15:20.16 | Kirkburn | It was |
| 15:20.41 | Kirkburn | I forget who was making it, but I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere for a while |
| 15:21.28 | Wobin_ | hrm, What's with the to'ing and fro'ing? |
| 15:26.08 | Kirkburn | Maybe he's getting a new hairstyle :D ahahahaa ..... y'know cos of 'fro' yeah? AMIRITE? /dies |
| 15:27.52 | Ktron | when did they make the bank bags and bank colored differently than the bags you're carrying? |
| 15:28.26 | Kirkburn | So that you can tell |
| 15:28.35 | Kirkburn | lol, misread |
| 15:28.36 | Kirkburn | 1.9 |
| 15:28.56 | Ktron | ah |
| 15:28.58 | Ktron | hehheh |
| 15:32.27 | Kirkburn | "Californian authorities have ordered Michael Jackson to close his Neverland Ranch for failing to pay staff or renew their insurance policies. " |
| 15:32.40 | ckknight | lol |
| 15:32.54 | Tain | Isn't talking about the site advertising on other sites a form of advertising as well? |
| 15:32.58 | Tain | Kirkburn is a shill! |
| 15:33.12 | Kirkburn | wtf |
| 15:33.46 | Kirkburn | Yes, I work for swervegaming, you got me |
| 15:34.16 | Kirkburn | Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/4793198.stm |
| 15:35.02 | Ktron | silly british |
| 15:35.10 | Kirkburn | hohoho |
| 15:35.22 | Kirkburn | It'll never happen anyway |
| 15:35.49 | Kirkburn | Very few self-respecting UK science teachers would do it |
| 15:36.03 | Kirkburn | If only because the parents would do something about it |
| 15:36.34 | Kirkburn | (My biology teacher didn't believe in evolution, yet he still taught it as the truth) |
| 15:38.04 | ckknight | when I went to Catholic school for all of a year, they didn't disregard evolution, but taught it as possibly being part of God's plan |
| 15:38.33 | Kirkburn | Where was this? |
| 15:38.42 | ckknight | Peoria, Illinois |
| 15:38.50 | ckknight | it was High School |
| 15:38.58 | Kirkburn | That ... er ... surprises me |
| 15:39.03 | ckknight | yea |
| 15:39.12 | ckknight | it was refreshing |
| 15:39.24 | ckknight | granted, the year after, I went to an extremely secular school |
| 15:39.47 | Kirkburn | Must've been strange |
| 15:40.02 | ckknight | I much preferred it |
| 15:40.20 | krka|work | evolution is almost a tautology, hard to not "believe" atleast part of it |
| 15:40.51 | ckknight | I know people that don't |
| 15:40.55 | ckknight | *sigh* |
| 15:40.57 | krka|work | shouldn't be hard to accept that weak individuals generally die early and don't get to reproduce, thus disappearing from the gene pool |
| 15:41.03 | ckknight | yes |
| 15:41.09 | ckknight | thus my opposition to Hospitals |
| 15:41.11 | krka|work | also shouldn't be hard to accept that mutations do happen |
| 15:41.15 | krka|work | same here |
| 15:41.18 | ckknight | they shall be the destruction of the human race |
| 15:41.32 | Tain | Mutations rule. I can't wait for Spore. |
| 15:41.40 | Kirkburn | A Uni biology student I know agreed that micro-evolution occured. But not macro-evolution. She was a creationist. |
| 15:41.45 | ckknight | premature babies, people with severe asthma, cancer patients, etc. |
| 15:42.07 | Kirkburn | It almost a valid opinion! |
| 15:42.19 | ckknight | if the plague didn't go through Europe, we would be a lot weaker genetically. |
| 15:42.20 | Kirkburn | That is, until you need to go there ... |
| 15:42.55 | Kirkburn | I read recently about the very strong suggestion that legalised abortions is why crime dropped in the US |
| 15:42.59 | krka|work | ckknight, as a coincidence, i had that discussion with my girlfriend last night (she's a biologist) and she said that modern medicine hadn't really affected the gene pool very much |
| 15:43.08 | ckknight | Kirkburn, interesting stuff |
| 15:43.11 | Tain | That's why I stick to my theory of alcohol making you smarter. |
| 15:43.23 | krka|work | as in, there hadn't been a significant frequency change of people with sick genes |
| 15:43.27 | ckknight | Kirkburn, you may want to take a look at Freakonomics, it talks about that and other interesting economics phenomena |
| 15:43.32 | Kirkburn | Heh |
| 15:43.36 | Tain | When you drink sure you might kill off some brain cells, but you're killing off the weaker ones, thinning the herd. |
| 15:43.39 | Kirkburn | Guess where I read it ckknight :) |
| 15:43.45 | ckknight | lol |
| 15:43.52 | Kirkburn | Damn good book that |
| 15:43.55 | ckknight | yep |
| 15:44.03 | Wobin_ | interesting |
| 15:44.03 | ckknight | I've read it other places before that |
| 15:44.09 | ckknight | it's the primary reason I'm pro-choice |
| 15:44.13 | Wobin_ | news.bbc is blocked =P |
| 15:44.16 | ckknight | purely economic reasons |
| 15:44.16 | ckknight | hehe |
| 15:44.38 | Kirkburn | And yet: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4780522.stm |
| 15:44.58 | krka|work | i'm not pro-choice and pro-life, I am anti-life and anti-choice! |
| 15:45.08 | Tain | I fully support abortion into the 60th trimester. |
| 15:45.12 | Kirkburn | Kill them! Kill them all! |
| 15:45.18 | Wobin_ | yay. NE eyebrows are back in =) |
| 15:45.20 | ckknight | krka|work, I know, and that's the problem, modern society keeps the weaker genes alive instead of letting them die |
| 15:45.21 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 15:45.43 | krka|work | you could argue that weaker genes aren't actually weak since they do survive |
| 15:45.52 | ckknight | wtf |
| 15:45.55 | ckknight | what about Roe v. Wade? |
| 15:46.08 | krka|work | who? |
| 15:46.12 | Tain | Roe v. Wade? Probably just a footnote in history soon. |
| 15:46.18 | Kirkburn | It's interesting the difference between US and UK on evolution ... we got the whole thing sorted about a century ago (can't remember the details but it all got settles), whereas it's always been ongoing in the US |
| 15:46.25 | krka|work | I am pro-eyebrows |
| 15:46.25 | ckknight | krka|work, I want a plague to come |
| 15:46.29 | ckknight | that'll learn all them doctors |
| 15:46.39 | Ktron | I am pro smart people |
| 15:46.45 | Tain | Some say we'll see armageddon soon. I certainly hope we will. |
| 15:46.55 | Kirkburn | Roe v Wade is why it got legalised, no? |
| 15:46.55 | krka|work | yes, a 99% reduction of world population would rock |
| 15:47.05 | ckknight | I just want disease to strike, thus killing off the weaker people, and in turn lowering real estate prices |
| 15:47.07 | krka|work | I am too selfish to be pro-smart :( |
| 15:47.14 | Tain | hehe krka |
| 15:47.32 | Kirkburn | I'm pro-cheese. |
| 15:47.41 | Tain | I'm propain. |
| 15:47.48 | Kirkburn | I'm propane. |
| 15:47.54 | krka|work | darwin was wrong, it's not survival of the fit, it's survival of the horny, people with many children spread their genes the most |
| 15:47.59 | Tain | That's hot. |
| 15:48.08 | Kirkburn | I'm hawt. |
| 15:48.21 | krka|work | i'm pro-hot |
| 15:48.39 | Tain | I'm pro-pro-beach volleyball. |
| 15:49.03 | Kirkburn | krka, that's how it is now, anyway. Creative people are 'hornier' and more susceptible to scizophrenia. Thus, schizophrenia isn't dying out. |
| 15:49.04 | krka|work | i'm pro-testing |
| 15:49.11 | krka|work | or was that protesting? |
| 15:49.25 | Kirkburn | Are you a pro-testee? |
| 15:50.05 | ckknight | yes, part of me wants to just go out and impregnate a bunch of women to "spread my seed amongst the nations", if you will |
| 15:50.11 | ckknight | but I don't want to pay child support |
| 15:50.27 | Kirkburn | Why, what disease do you have that you want to spread among our children? |
| 15:50.39 | krka|work | we _are_ the disease |
| 15:50.42 | Tain | Life |
| 15:50.50 | Kirkburn | Liff, you mean |
| 15:50.52 | krka|work | agent dude in matrix was right :P |
| 15:50.56 | ckknight | ? |
| 15:51.00 | ckknight | about? |
| 15:51.00 | Kirkburn | Agent Drood? |
| 15:51.17 | Tain | Wasn't Matrix Online supposed to launch? Did it? |
| 15:51.26 | Kirkburn | Did he spam moonfire? |
| 15:51.30 | Kirkburn | Er, it did |
| 15:51.36 | Kirkburn | Somewhat a while ago |
| 15:51.36 | Tain | Damn that's sad. |
| 15:52.16 | Kirkburn | What a crap website: http://thematrixonline.station.sony.com/ |
| 15:52.33 | Kirkburn | It's really got soul |
| 15:53.10 | Kirkburn | I mean, what more can you ask from a news post: Community Uplink: |
| 15:53.11 | Kirkburn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.11 | Kirkburn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.24 | Kirkburn | I god I'm going to shoot myself next time that happens |
| 15:53.27 | Tain | Oh. It was Sony. Never mind. |
| 15:53.28 | Kirkburn | *Oh |
| 15:53.30 | ckknight | ? |
| 15:53.42 | Kirkburn | Bloody line breaks |
| 15:53.43 | ckknight | the encoding mess up? |
| 15:54.07 | Kirkburn | Mmm ... so anyway, who likes SOE? |
| 15:54.35 | krka|work | Spam On Eggs? |
| 15:54.39 | Kirkburn | Our survey said: 0 |
| 15:54.54 | Kirkburn | Who likes Spam On Eggs? |
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| 15:55.14 | ckknight | whoops |
| 15:55.23 | Kirkburn | Our survey said: that freak in the corner over there. Yes the one with greasy hair and looks like a gnome. Him. |
| 15:55.36 | krka|work | i am pro-gnomes |
| 15:55.43 | ckknight | I'm anti-gnomes |
| 15:56.47 | Kirkburn | I'm pro-anti |
| 15:56.52 | krka|work | i am anti-anti |
| 15:56.54 | Ktron | Pff, my favorite thought is that people are saying science is turning into religion and that's bad, because people will belive anything that seems scientific dogmatically |
| 15:57.18 | ckknight | this is true |
| 15:57.20 | Ktron | I don't see that as a problem, because scientists are the ones who are making the dogma |
| 15:57.22 | krka|work | science can't "turn" into something else |
| 15:57.27 | krka|work | science is clearly defined |
| 15:57.30 | Kirkburn | I'm sure if you went back 50 years, science was far more dogmatic then |
| 15:57.37 | ckknight | but fake science can occur, and who really checks the facts? |
| 15:57.39 | Kirkburn | (Dogmatix, whee!) |
| 15:57.44 | Ktron | Kirkburn; no, certainly not |
| 15:58.10 | Wobin_ | Getafix =P |
| 15:58.12 | Kirkburn | We have to rely on journals and their editors |
| 15:58.26 | Ktron | People almost are guarenteed to believe something if it starts with "They did a study over in X on X, and found that..." or similar |
| 15:58.59 | Kirkburn | They did a study over in X on X, and found that bananas taste good with baby brains. |
| 15:59.00 | Ktron | If people are going to be dogmatic, I want them to dogmatically listen to smart people heh |
| 15:59.08 | ckknight | baby brains, eh? |
| 15:59.12 | ckknight | can I get those at Walmart? |
| 15:59.17 | Tain | I don't think bananas taste good with baby brains. |
| 15:59.22 | Tain | Maybe pineapple though. |
| 15:59.23 | Kirkburn | If people are goign to be dogmatix, however, take them top a psychiatrist |
| 15:59.41 | Tain | I wouldn't take them to a psychiatrist. They're crazy. |
| 15:59.47 | Kirkburn | See, Tain has proved he won't believe everything, we're saved! |
| 15:59.54 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 16:00.06 | Kirkburn | ckknight, yes aisle 3 |
| 16:00.23 | Kirkburn | Next to the mince meat |
| 16:01.21 | Kirkburn | If you see any women with babies around, don't hesisate to call our customer food suggestion, I mean help-line |
| 16:01.30 | Ktron | If the pope told people that banana went well with baby brains, I bet most religious people would overlook it or be taken aback and not believe it either |
| 16:01.41 | Kirkburn | Which pope? :) |
| 16:01.45 | ckknight | most, not all |
| 16:02.01 | Kirkburn | Didn't he say most? |
| 16:02.49 | ckknight | yea |
| 16:02.53 | ckknight | I was just reiterating |
| 16:02.57 | ckknight | some people would believe it |
| 16:03.03 | ckknight | and try it out |
| 16:03.14 | Ktron | "ma'am, have you ever tried eating one of those?" |
| 16:03.20 | ckknight | And then it's A Modest Proposal all over again |
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| 16:03.31 | Tain | 9 out of 10 popes agree |
| 16:03.39 | ckknight | lol |
| 16:05.18 | Kirkburn | Did you see the email the SOE head (or similar) sent to Penny Arcade? |
| 16:05.39 | Kirkburn | IN TOTAL they have around 800,000 playing their games |
| 16:06.58 | Kirkburn | I'm hoping they realise that's not a good thing, and start trying to improve the situation rather than attempting to put on a brave face and say everything's fine |
| 16:07.30 | Kirkburn | Imagine if they did an NGE to WoW |
| 16:08.32 | Ktron | SOE? |
| 16:09.17 | Kirkburn | Sony Online Entertainment |
| 16:09.44 | Kirkburn | "New Gaming Experience" the name for what they did to Star Wars Galaxies |
| 16:10.39 | Kirkburn | They admitted that they did it to get new blood into the game. Strangely enough, not all those who had been playing it for a while were best pleased at being given a new game |
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| 16:13.41 | Shouryuu | rawr |
| 16:14.02 | Josh_Borke | rwar |
| 16:14.15 | Kirkburn | meow |
| 16:14.47 | Shouryuu | aduin should moo |
| 16:14.57 | Shouryuu | he usualy does |
| 16:16.51 | Wobin_ | wuff |
| 16:17.10 | Kirkburn | Nuns play WoW: http://forums.worldofwar.net/showthread.php?t=364323 |
| 16:17.52 | Josh_Borke | can anyone here approve my mod on wowinterface? :-( |
| 16:19.16 | Shouryuu | well bela can |
| 16:19.27 | Shouryuu | just wait till he comes back from wherever he is :p |
| 16:19.33 | Shouryuu | Cairenn is sleeping |
| 16:19.34 | Shouryuu | so that's about it |
| 16:20.21 | Kirkburn | So bella donna isn't appropriate? |
| 16:20.57 | Wobin_ | not efficient enough =) |
| 16:21.02 | Wobin_ | all those repeated letters =P |
| 16:21.22 | Crispix | Will a level 30 get any xp at all in Deadmines? |
| 16:21.49 | Shouryuu | I doubt it |
| 16:21.57 | Wobin_ | if he solos it? |
| 16:22.05 | Crispix | hrm |
| 16:22.11 | Crispix | I need a place where I can get good xp.. |
| 16:22.18 | Shouryuu | just grind... |
| 16:22.19 | Crispix | I'm almost to 31 |
| 16:22.21 | Wobin_ | level 30? |
| 16:22.24 | Crispix | Where? |
| 16:22.25 | Wobin_ | hm |
| 16:22.29 | Wobin_ | redridge |
| 16:22.32 | Wobin_ | ? |
| 16:22.33 | Wobin_ | nah |
| 16:22.35 | Shouryuu | what class are you? |
| 16:22.40 | Crispix | Hunter :) |
| 16:22.40 | Wobin_ | duskwood? |
| 16:22.58 | Shouryuu | isn't TM a nice place for 30s? |
| 16:23.04 | Wobin_ | Do you use Bossbar? |
| 16:23.16 | Crispix | whats bossbar? |
| 16:23.21 | Wobin_ | There's a plugin that has level suggestions |
| 16:23.26 | Wobin_ | prolly for Titanbar too |
| 16:23.29 | Kirkburn | Elwynn Forest |
| 16:23.31 | Wobin_ | but bossbar is better =P |
| 16:23.34 | Crispix | O_O |
| 16:23.36 | Crispix | *looks it up |
| 16:23.42 | Crispix | boss bar eh? |
| 16:23.44 | Crispix | for titan? |
| 16:23.54 | Kirkburn | Coldridge Valley |
| 16:23.55 | Wobin_ | nah, titan replacement |
| 16:24.02 | Crispix | ewwy |
| 16:24.11 | Kirkburn | Waitasec, I've got the perfect titan bar |
| 16:24.17 | Kirkburn | titan plugin for you |
| 16:24.30 | Crispix | .. I've got a Level indicator for my map..... |
| 16:24.41 | Crispix | but only when i'm in the area will it show me what the creatures are |
| 16:24.42 | Crispix | lol |
| 16:24.55 | Kirkburn | BMRecLevel |
| 16:24.56 | Wobin_ | Nah, this one lists all the suggested areas and suggested instances for your level |
| 16:25.01 | Kirkburn | BMRecLevel BMRecLevel BMRecLevel |
| 16:25.04 | Wobin_ | That's probably it |
| 16:25.13 | Wobin_ | Oh, there's BFD |
| 16:25.15 | Crispix | Kirkburn can you link me to it? |
| 16:25.20 | Wobin_ | That should be around your level? |
| 16:25.21 | Kirkburn | lazy, but yes |
| 16:25.42 | Wobin_ | I always blank out everything until level 40 =P |
| 16:25.51 | Kirkburn | You play blind? |
| 16:26.03 | Josh_Borke | lvl 30s you say? that's southshore no? |
| 16:26.15 | Wobin_ | Nah, I play it, then immediately forget =P |
| 16:27.29 | Kirkburn | Think it's this one Crispix http://membersui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=764 |
| 16:27.33 | Kirkburn | er |
| 16:27.40 | Kirkburn | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=764 |
| 16:28.13 | Kirkburn | It's got a titan plug in, and a moveable frame (which you can turn off via the titan plugin) |
| 16:28.45 | Crispix | ooh |
| 16:30.01 | Kirkburn | Oh, I've got a brand new combine 'arvester, and I'll give you the key! |
| 16:30.07 | Kirkburn | boom boom boom |
| 16:30.22 | Crispix | see.. i've got a problem with my titan bar.. the windows that are supposed to pop up on certian things.. don't pop up |
| 16:30.34 | Kirkburn | tooltips? |
| 16:30.40 | Crispix | yeah |
| 16:30.46 | Crispix | I think so. :/ |
| 16:30.52 | Kirkburn | Work for some, not for others? |
| 16:31.06 | Crispix | Sometimes.. but othertimes it just.. doesn't work |
| 16:31.39 | Kirkburn | Probably the best idea will be to wipe the titan files and SVs |
| 16:31.53 | Crispix | o_o; |
| 16:32.01 | Crispix | I;ve got several addons for titan.. :( |
| 16:32.03 | Kirkburn | I had major loading problems with it a few days ago, but a fresh start completely saved it |
| 16:32.08 | Kirkburn | No, no, not that |
| 16:32.20 | Kirkburn | I don't mean get rid of them |
| 16:32.30 | Crispix | o_O; what do you mean then? |
| 16:33.00 | Kirkburn | Try putting fresh copies of the addons in the folder (if you don't normally delete before updating them) |
| 16:33.19 | Kirkburn | And go through the WTF folder getting rid of titan panel files |
| 16:33.26 | Crispix | that might work kirk |
| 16:33.38 | Kirkburn | Shouldn't take long |
| 16:33.52 | Kirkburn | And you only need to set it up once, you can load the saves settings againf or each char |
| 16:34.04 | Crispix | So just delete the WTF file? |
| 16:34.09 | Crispix | err directory? |
| 16:34.29 | Kirkburn | Not if you wanna keep any other setups for addons |
| 16:34.38 | Crispix | nope |
| 16:34.42 | Crispix | just deleting it :) |
| 16:34.58 | Crispix | I only have one main toon I play anyway |
| 16:35.07 | Kirkburn | A fresh start is never a bad thing |
| 16:38.19 | Kirkburn | Lol! Word 2: http://www.sunflowerhead.com/msimages/Word2.png |
| 16:38.27 | Kirkburn | Word SIX: http://www.sunflowerhead.com/msimages/Word6.png |
| 16:40.12 | Wobin_ | okay. 1. Not much change for 2 years I guess |
| 16:40.19 | Wobin_ | 2. 4 versions in two years? |
| 16:42.58 | Kirkburn | I suppose so |
| 16:44.05 | Kirkburn | Office Beta 1 vs Beta 2: http://www.sunflowerhead.com/msimages/BeforeAndAfter.jpg |
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| 16:47.13 | Ktron | It's not like word processing needs innovation |
| 16:47.39 | Ktron | If anything, all of the changing of appearance is bad for MSWord, it's nice to be able to know where all the basic features are without looking hard |
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| 16:49.18 | Qzot | Good morning. |
| 16:50.04 | Josh_Borke | morning |
| 16:52.45 | Kirkburn | it's evening, you damn crazy people |
| 16:53.46 | Josh_Borke | er, 7 minutes to noon here! |
| 16:54.07 | Kirkburn | Keeerrraaazzzeeeeee |
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| 16:55.01 | Kirkburn | Titan 2.15 soon :) |
| 16:57.29 | Crispix | o_o; I wish knowing that deleting my wtf file would of erased all my settings o_O |
| 16:57.44 | Tain | Makes ya way WTF doesn't it. |
| 16:58.25 | Crispix | Appropriately named folder indeed tain |
| 16:58.52 | Kirkburn | I told you :( |
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| 17:00.23 | Qzot | Don't delete it. |
| 17:00.37 | Qzot | Rename name it: WTF-retired20060310 |
| 17:00.46 | Qzot | Just as good, and you've got a backup. |
| 17:00.48 | Tain | Yay more G15 forum monkey poo flinging! |
| 17:01.21 | Qzot | I was about to add a WoWWiki page, and for the life of me, I can't figure out how to do it. |
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| 17:02.11 | Qzot | Hmm. Maybe just create the link from another page?? |
| 17:02.39 | Crispix | its ok :D I think I'm doing ok reconfiguring things |
| 17:02.48 | Crispix | Who was it that showed me that zone level indicator? |
| 17:03.04 | Crispix | I need to know the / command to configure it please.. I rebooted and lost it |
| 17:03.36 | Josh_Borke | Qzot: if you have an account, you should be able to just go to the page: http://www.wowwiki.com/New_Page_Title_Here |
| 17:03.57 | Josh_Borke | though it will be more helpful if you link to it rather than create it directly |
| 17:04.53 | Qzot | Gotcha. |
| 17:05.13 | Qzot | I was going to add a HOWTO, which seems like he's picking up automagically somehow. |
| 17:06.04 | Josh_Borke | [[Category: HOWTOs|Addon Installer]] put something like that at the top |
| 17:06.31 | Josh_Borke | and it will be automagically added |
| 17:07.34 | Qzot | Where do I snag standard templates from? |
| 17:07.44 | Kirkburn | Crispix, me :P |
| 17:08.25 | Kirkburn | it's properly installed? You should be able to turn it on from the Titan Panel if you're not seeing anything |
| 17:08.50 | Josh_Borke | Qzot: There are no templates |
| 17:09.13 | Qzot | ow |
| 17:09.27 | Josh_Borke | wiki lends itself to very easy to make pretty documents |
| 17:09.32 | Josh_Borke | just look at the source for another page |
| 17:09.46 | Qzot | soure*s*. That's what I'm doing now. |
| 17:10.00 | Tain | The wiki sandbox is really useful to use to see how things work. |
| 17:11.21 | Qzot | k. Will look there, too. |
| 17:11.49 | Josh_Borke | Tain: regarding my problem with VisorActionButtons changing when i change my ACTIONBAR_PAGE, unregistering the event from the button doesn't fix it :-( |
| 17:12.43 | Tain | Yeah Josh, it's goign ot need a revamp of the action buttons I think. |
| 17:13.18 | Tain | I just fixed a few other issues, the buttons are next, although they'll be handled differently with the 1.10 patch. No more defining in xml, dynamic creation of buttons yay. |
| 17:13.22 | Josh_Borke | i don't mean to cause trouble :-( |
| 17:13.36 | Josh_Borke | yea. i can't wait :-) |
| 17:13.57 | Tain | oh no not at all, it's a real issue, I just never had it fully pointed out to me before. I'm pretty bad at updating functionality that I don't use myself. :) |
| 17:14.40 | Josh_Borke | what I don't understand is why it affects Visor and not Flexbar, unless it has to do with the way Flexbar is implemented |
| 17:15.26 | Tain | It is, there's a different idea behind them at a certain level. |
| 17:16.01 | Josh_Borke | yea. personally i'm glad i've switched to visor, it's much more responsive for me |
| 17:16.15 | Tain | I'm not the original Visor dev so I don't have his full mindset, but the idea with Visor buttons seemed like a good one, treating them as completely separate buttons and bars are an arbitrary concept. |
| 17:16.28 | Josh_Borke | i agree :-) |
| 17:16.50 | Tain | Unfortunatly the game itself treats bars as *the* concept and swaps buttons in and out of bars instead. |
| 17:19.47 | Crispix | yay! my ui is rearranged and looks fantastic |
| 17:19.58 | Josh_Borke | YAY! |
| 17:20.02 | Josh_Borke | post a screenie :-D |
| 17:20.11 | Crispix | I'm going to :D |
| 17:21.17 | Tain | Oooh here's a screenshot of mine while we're at it! Well, not fully up to date. But the overall feel is the same. |
| 17:21.17 | Tain | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/preview.php?id=1980 |
| 17:21.38 | Josh_Borke | nice :-) |
| 17:22.14 | Josh_Borke | personally i don't like the cinematic view that i have seen a lot of |
| 17:22.24 | Josh_Borke | what do you use to color your chat? |
| 17:22.38 | Kirkburn | It's in the options |
| 17:23.01 | Tain | It's just a matter of visual preference for me, pure aesthetic to black out the bottom rather than function. |
| 17:23.13 | Josh_Borke | no, i mean specifically: with the time a different color and such |
| 17:23.24 | Kirkburn | Ah |
| 17:23.40 | Tain | Ooh that's either ChatScroll or idChat adodn. |
| 17:23.54 | Josh_Borke | and how can i see the posts i've made on the wow forums? |
| 17:23.57 | Tain | I forget which at the time. I'm using ChatScroll now though. |
| 17:23.58 | Kirkburn | Doubt it's chatscroll |
| 17:24.17 | Kirkburn | I thought that only allowed you to scroll :) |
| 17:24.40 | Tain | No, also can add timestamps. |
| 17:24.49 | Tain | And remove the arrow buttons. |
| 17:25.06 | Kirkburn | That's chatscroll? |
| 17:25.23 | Tain | Actually that is most likely ChatScroll because that's AcePerl up on my unitframes, so that was a screenshot taken a few months ago. |
| 17:25.25 | Kirkburn | Not the same as my chatscroll |
| 17:25.37 | Tain | And I'm pretty sure I only tried idChat recently. |
| 17:26.04 | Kirkburn | From the .toc : Makes chat windows scrollable with the mouse wheel and has scroll button visibility options. |
| 17:26.31 | Tain | From the readme: Its primary |
| 17:26.31 | Tain | purpose is to add mousewheel scrolling to the chat frame. It also adds timestamps |
| 17:26.31 | Tain | and can hide the buttons surrounding the chat frames. |
| 17:26.34 | Kirkburn | Whereas ChatTimeStamps does the time stamps for me (uncoloured afaik) |
| 17:26.44 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 17:27.13 | Tain | It also can remove having to press alt to get chat history. |
| 17:27.14 | Kirkburn | I fear we have identically names yet different addons (mine's via cosmos) |
| 17:27.29 | Kirkburn | s/names/named/ |
| 17:27.38 | Tain | Oh and I guess can move the chat editbox as well, but I have never used that. |
| 17:28.12 | Kirkburn | My UI: http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/2364/wowscrnshot0306061512443kb.jpg |
| 17:28.39 | Kirkburn | (not completely finished) |
| 17:29.48 | Tain | One of the things that I need in my UI is the center of the screen completely clear. I found anything in the middle or even coming off the edges at all began to annoy me. |
| 17:30.04 | Tain | Especially HUDs. I do think they're amazing, and very cool looking, but I can't play with them. |
| 17:30.17 | Tain | (That's sort of a tangent comment that rambled out.) |
| 17:30.34 | Josh_Borke | i can't find any newer pictures of my UI |
| 17:30.52 | Crispix | Screenshot coming of mine |
| 17:34.35 | Kirkburn | Tain, I agree with the huds thing. I'm not entirely happy with my ui either, it's still too cluttered (part of the problem on being a warlock) |
| 17:35.28 | Kirkburn | But I wanna be able to do it without turning down my ui scale, so it's gonna take some work |
| 17:38.01 | Wobin_ | I agree about HUDs... I find myself peering around them a lot =P |
| 17:38.36 | Josh_Borke | i like my HUD, just using the Nurfed HUD beta |
| 17:38.44 | Kirkburn | That's quite minimalistic tho |
| 17:38.47 | Josh_Borke | then again, most of the time i just sit there spamming heal |
| 17:39.03 | Kirkburn | Mnmslm ftw |
| 17:39.09 | Josh_Borke | indeed :-) |
| 17:39.20 | Josh_Borke | i hate raiding because it clutters up my UI so much :-( |
| 17:39.34 | Kirkburn | Bet your guild love you :D |
| 17:39.51 | Kirkburn | Sorry guys, I won't track your group, it's covering my hat |
| 17:39.58 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 17:40.16 | Josh_Borke | i'm a paladin. i just spam my cleanse during boss fights |
| 17:40.19 | Josh_Borke | and my heal on trash |
| 17:40.25 | Josh_Borke | i don't need to watch any healthbars :-P |
| 17:40.41 | Crispix | Can someone tell me how to change the 'combat' window into a guild chat window? |
| 17:41.17 | Josh_Borke | remove combat messages from it and add guild messages? |
| 17:41.39 | Kirkburn | Make a guild msgs window? |
| 17:41.46 | Kirkburn | Right click a tab and choose new window |
| 17:42.33 | Josh_Borke | i'd like to be able to have tabs in multiple places |
| 17:42.34 | Kirkburn | I've got a General window, and Party/Raid/Guild window, a loot/xp/honor tracking window, and combat window (only one open at atime tho!) |
| 17:42.53 | Kirkburn | What do you mean? |
| 17:43.34 | Josh_Borke | like the main window in the bottom left, if i move combat out of that group, i'd like to create a new group |
| 17:43.44 | Kirkburn | You can? |
| 17:43.55 | Josh_Borke | no, you can't currently. i wish you could |
| 17:44.11 | Kirkburn | You can only have tabbed ones on one window? That's annoying |
| 17:44.23 | Kirkburn | I've never noticed |
| 17:44.27 | Josh_Borke | apparently not if you haven't noticed :-) |
| 17:44.45 | Josh_Borke | i haven't done EXTENSIVE testing mind you, but last i recall i couldn't |
| 17:44.59 | Kirkburn | Being able to see my combat log all the time has never interested me |
| 17:45.08 | Kirkburn | Thus I've never used more than one window |
| 17:45.22 | Josh_Borke | i have mine set to show only when in combat, otherwise it's faded and disabled mouse |
| 17:45.32 | Kirkburn | That's cool |
| 17:45.54 | Josh_Borke | yea, if i mouse over it from the left, it changes alpha to 1 and becomes clickable until i leave again |
| 17:53.18 | Crispix | Ahem |
| 17:53.34 | Crispix | hrm |
| 17:53.34 | Josh_Borke | screenshot? |
| 17:53.41 | Crispix | need to retake a screenshot.. hold up |
| 17:53.49 | Josh_Borke | tease |
| 17:54.02 | Crispix | hehe :D |
| 17:54.07 | Crispix | It'll be ready.. I just saved the wrong picture |
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| 17:57.35 | Kirkburn | Lol, one less cosmos RegisterforSave addon: "[ArcaneBar] Updated to not use RegisterForSave" |
| 17:57.39 | Crispix | http://andy.hadagoodday.com/images/wowscreenshots/CrispyUIRedone.jpg SCREENSHOT! :D |
| 17:58.30 | Josh_Borke | nice stuff |
| 17:58.45 | Josh_Borke | what is the = by the minimap? and the light blue swirly thing? |
| 17:58.52 | Kirkburn | Server shutdown? |
| 17:59.05 | Wobin_ | equalisation? |
| 17:59.11 | Wobin_ | instead of zooming in or out |
| 17:59.21 | Crispix | the = is my calculator.. I use it to find out how much gold I need for a certian item.. or find out how many of a beasty I have to kill... |
| 17:59.32 | Crispix | The blue swirly thing is a level indicator for the zone. |
| 17:59.38 | Kirkburn | ooh |
| 17:59.42 | Wobin_ | blue is good? |
| 17:59.44 | Fanook | ZoneLevel! |
| 17:59.47 | Fanook | blue is city |
| 17:59.48 | Crispix | And the server shut down thing.. you got me. |
| 18:00.11 | Fanook | that's a normal system message :) |
| 18:00.15 | Crispix | Blue is city, grey is neutral (like.. when your flying). |
| 18:00.29 | Fanook | the colors are like mob levels |
| 18:00.32 | Crispix | What it doesn't show is my chat bar has the text at the top of the window.. when I'm entering it |
| 18:00.35 | Fanook | grey means very low level |
| 18:00.36 | Gryphen | kirk all cosmos addons have been updated to remove rforsave internally |
| 18:00.37 | Kirkburn | And the main buttons (char, talents etc), what changed that? |
| 18:00.45 | Kirkburn | Gryphen, great to hear :) |
| 18:00.47 | Wobin_ | One addon I love is Accountant |
| 18:00.55 | Fanook | yeah |
| 18:01.03 | Crispix | Wobin.. see the cash indicator on my screenshot? |
| 18:01.08 | Crispix | that does everything accountant does :D |
| 18:01.17 | Gryphen | should be making it to alpha by now |
| 18:01.24 | Kirkburn | Woo |
| 18:01.29 | Gryphen | think just MF needs to be updated |
| 18:01.39 | Kirkburn | Woo^2 |
| 18:01.57 | Kirkburn | Crispix, bottom left, how did you change those? |
| 18:02.31 | Crispix | Bottom left? |
| 18:02.35 | Wobin_ | wow 120 tough jerky =) |
| 18:02.37 | Crispix | Oh.. its a titan addon :) |
| 18:02.39 | Wobin_ | Menu buttons? |
| 18:02.43 | Crispix | yah |
| 18:02.48 | Crispix | Mainmenu for titan |
| 18:03.06 | Crispix | Wobin- Milk loves tough jerky...... its cheap... so it keeps her happy |
| 18:03.20 | Crispix | easiest thing to buy too |
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| 18:03.26 | Kirkburn | Intruiging ... not sure I have an more space on my titan panel though |
| 18:03.43 | Crispix | don't forget you have the top bar :) |
| 18:03.44 | Fanook | fishing keeps my bear fed :) |
| 18:04.02 | Crispix | I fish.. but Milk doesn't 'LOVE" a lot of the fish I catch |
| 18:04.15 | Wobin_ | You just need to cook it |
| 18:04.17 | Kirkburn | Gryphen - do you know anything about why Tooltips Khaos might prevent tooltips from fading? |
| 18:04.25 | Fanook | i really need to do an official Titan version of ZoneLevel |
| 18:04.34 | Shouryuu | "I personally have about 120 Mana Regen/5 sec and 350 spirit raid buffed. " is this even possible |
| 18:04.47 | Kirkburn | Fanook, make another ui site! We need mooooore! |
| 18:04.52 | Wobin_ | hm |
| 18:04.56 | Gryphen | not sure kirk, just a novice lua coder myself |
| 18:05.04 | Crispix | I like having it on my map Fanook |
| 18:05.07 | Fanook | ugh, no thanks :) |
| 18:05.09 | Wobin_ | I have what... 40mana a tick regen? |
| 18:05.12 | Fanook | me too :) |
| 18:06.05 | Kirkburn | Okay ... it's definately Tootips khaos that's doing it, and I just noticed TipBuddy made an update that dealt with a very similar issue |
| 18:06.08 | Wobin_ | and pretty good +spi for not having anything past a blue |
| 18:06.24 | Kirkburn | I think I posted about it, what's the cosmos channel again? |
| 18:07.00 | Gryphen | irc.datavertex.com/cosmostesters |
| 18:07.07 | Kirkburn | ta |
| 18:10.32 | Shouryuu | my god priests need to learn to PvP... They say they have no way to "escapapebility" |
| 18:10.49 | Corrodias | YOU HAVE NO CHANCE TO SURVIVE MAKE YOUR TIME |
| 18:11.03 | Shouryuu | 0 |
| 18:11.08 | Shouryuu | 0_o |
| 18:12.31 | Crispix | So does anyone else have any questions about my ui? |
| 18:12.50 | Corrodias | yeah, why doesn't it look more like mine, which is clearly superior? |
| 18:13.26 | Kirkburn | And mine which is clearly something |
| 18:13.56 | Corrodias | time for me to disconnect my mouse and go home! [away]! |
| 18:14.00 | Shouryuu | I just use the default UI |
| 18:14.06 | Crispix | Erm.. anyone wanna do me a favor? |
| 18:14.07 | Shouryuu | works more than fine |
| 18:14.11 | Shouryuu | depends |
| 18:14.18 | Shouryuu | of the favor |
| 18:14.27 | Crispix | I wanna zip my ui up.. and have someone whos on the test server tell me what things are going to die next patch |
| 18:14.39 | Kirkburn | not you as well :s |
| 18:14.56 | Kirkburn | Look at the list of addons that will break |
| 18:15.04 | Shouryuu | It's UI-pooling :P |
| 18:15.08 | Kirkburn | Much simpler |
| 18:15.15 | Shouryuu | instead of puting 5 people in queue, just put one =P |
| 18:15.43 | Kirkburn | And make them log in out in out and shake it all about |
| 18:16.28 | Shouryuu | hehe |
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| 18:23.45 | Wobin_ | UI do the hokey pokey and UI turn around... |
| 18:23.49 | Wobin_ | That's what it's all about =P |
| 18:25.27 | Kirkburn | Christ, already with a new nVidia driver |
| 18:25.42 | Kirkburn | Woo for 84.20 |
| 18:31.06 | Legorol^ | Iriel is back! |
| 18:31.14 | Legorol^ | he started posting agai |
| 18:34.40 | Kirkburn | omg omg omg :P |
| 18:35.16 | Kirkburn | Cairenn sleeping in a long time today |
| 18:41.24 | Shouryuu | hummm just took a nice little nap |
| 18:43.38 | Qzot | Catch you guys later. gg to work. |
| 18:48.38 | Kirkburn | Anyone who plays FEAR, the new 84.20 drivers are excellent, some are getting big framerate increases |
| 18:48.54 | ckknight | *sigh* |
| 18:48.57 | ckknight | I wish I had nVidia |
| 18:49.01 | ckknight | would solve so many problems |
| 18:50.03 | Shouryuu | FUCK MY BROTHER IS DRIVING ME FUCKING CRAZY |
| 18:50.25 | Shouryuu | arghhh this month is going to suck |
| 18:52.11 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Legorol^ (n=Legorol@tcmpc43.phy.cam.ac.uk) |
| 18:53.59 | Tain | You aren't kidding. |
| 18:54.54 | Beladona | yikes sorry guys |
| 18:54.59 | Beladona | did someone need me? |
| 18:55.14 | Shouryuu | someone did |
| 18:55.24 | Shouryuu | to get an addon accepted on WoWI |
| 18:55.28 | Josh_Borke | can you approve my new mod on wowinteface? :-( |
| 18:55.36 | Josh_Borke | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4671 i'm super excited about it |
| 18:55.38 | Shouryuu | Josh it was |
| 18:55.54 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 18:56.56 | Kirkburn | I'm confused, you've gone back in version number? |
| 18:57.13 | Kirkburn | 0.52 --> 0.405 |
| 18:57.17 | Josh_Borke | yea |
| 18:57.25 | Josh_Borke | it's still in beta so i'm sorta willy nilly |
| 18:57.34 | ckknight | he increased by 353 version numbers. |
| 18:57.40 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 18:57.52 | Kirkburn | It'll confuse everyone |
| 18:58.35 | Beladona | its done |
| 18:58.35 | Beladona | =) |
| 18:58.36 | Josh_Borke | danke :-) |
| 18:58.36 | Josh_Borke | check now kirk :-D |
| 19:00.51 | Kirkburn | er |
| 19:01.20 | Josh_Borke | no more backversions. they weren't very functionaly |
| 19:01.24 | Kirkburn | Lol, that's one way of doing it |
| 19:01.27 | Josh_Borke | s/functionaly/functional/ |
| 19:02.04 | Kirkburn | Does anyone seriously believe people leave because a couple of addons get broken each patch? |
| 19:02.32 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 19:03.04 | Kirkburn | People love to post that stuff on the cosmos forums it seems |
| 19:03.22 | Kirkburn | (then there's the senseless hate. C'mon that was SO last year people!) |
| 19:05.11 | Kirkburn | These people get everywhere: http://www.cosmosui.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14109 |
| 19:08.34 | *** join/#wowi-lounge qwxyr (i=qw@201.80-202-198.nextgentel.com) |
| 19:14.44 | Tain | This statement seems like it should mean a lot, but so far I haven't thought of really how. "SavedVariables.lua is now manually loaded instead of executed. " |
| 19:15.04 | Shouryuu | is there a way to save your current target? Like have a macro that saves your target, change targets a few times, hit a macro that will target your saved target? |
| 19:15.25 | Shouryuu | TargetByName being the dirtiest way I guess |
| 19:15.38 | Josh_Borke | Tain: perhaps it was possible to inject code into a saved variable outside of the game that had escalated priviledges? |
| 19:16.36 | Josh_Borke | Shouryuu: I believe that is it. unless you find some way to hook the targetting click and always keep your saved target as the last target |
| 19:16.49 | Shouryuu | dang |
| 19:17.05 | Josh_Borke | but i'm still a newb |
| 19:17.07 | Josh_Borke | so i don't know :-) |
| 19:18.50 | Kirkburn | "They will disable automatic use of moving things in a bag in the next patch." <-- that is completely untrue, no? |
| 19:19.32 | Kirkburn | (i.e. the guy is suggesting you can auto-equip stuff) |
| 19:19.37 | Kirkburn | s/can/can't/ |
| 19:19.58 | Wobin_ | ... |
| 19:20.04 | Wobin_ | define moving things in a bag, please? |
| 19:20.24 | Kirkburn | I'd ask HAXNINJA myself, but I'm too lazy |
| 19:21.51 | Wobin_ | Man. With a name like that, he should get into politics |
| 19:22.14 | Wobin_ | HAXNINJA of the OMGCAMPERFAG party |
| 19:23.39 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 19:29.28 | MentalPower | does anyone have Iriel's mod download page handy? |
| 19:31.06 | Josh_Borke | which mods? |
| 19:32.28 | Josh_Borke | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/index.php?cid=65&dp=0&sh=full&so=desc&sb=lastupdate |
| 19:32.30 | Josh_Borke | is wow interface |
| 19:32.34 | Cairenn|sleep | http://www.vigilance-committee.org/wow/downloads/ |
| 19:32.44 | Josh_Borke | hey! you're not sleeping! |
| 19:37.55 | MentalPower | thanks Cairenn :) |
| 19:38.01 | Cairenn | np hun |
| 19:38.39 | Cairenn | the majority of his mods are on WoWI now, but there are still a few which aren't |
| 19:38.43 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Qzot (i=user@sandbox.xerox.com) |
| 19:39.08 | Qzot | Am I in? |
| 19:39.24 | Qzot | Apparently not. :( |
| 19:39.39 | Qzot | I'm getting my text echoed, but don't see anyone else. |
| 19:39.59 | End | You seem in to me |
| 19:40.12 | Qzot | Woot! |
| 19:40.14 | Josh_Borke | negatory |
| 19:40.34 | Qzot | This client is far cry from mIRC. Hard to tell. |
| 19:41.25 | Josh_Borke | which client? |
| 19:43.28 | Qzot | ircii, I believe. Packaged for debian. |
| 19:43.49 | Josh_Borke | that's cool :-) just curious :-) |
| 19:44.09 | Qzot | I was able to convince the powers-that-be to help, and their solution was to put on a faux identd package. |
| 19:46.37 | Josh_Borke | ... |
| 19:48.18 | Josh_Borke | that sounds very...helpful |
| 19:49.10 | Qzot | Yeah, I thought I was screwed, because IRC folk seem to like identd, and corporate folk view it as a security hole. |
| 19:49.51 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Qzot (i=user@sandbox.xerox.com) |
| 19:50.20 | Josh_Borke | i don't have identd and can connect to this server :-) |
| 19:50.55 | Qzot | ~8ball Will this turn out to be a reasonable way to connect to #wowi-lounge? |
| 19:50.56 | purl | Unsure. |
| 19:51.25 | Qzot | ~8ball Do you always start out by saying "Unsure" just to frustrate me?? |
| 19:51.26 | purl | I'm not sure. |
| 19:52.10 | Josh_Borke | ~8Ball are you really that entertaining? |
| 19:52.12 | purl | I'm sure of it. |
| 19:52.35 | Qzot | ~8ball Are you only entertaining to us simple-minded? |
| 19:52.37 | purl | Are you smoking crack? |
| 19:52.43 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 19:52.56 | Qzot | ~8ball Are you offering? |
| 19:53.02 | purl | No. |
| 19:53.10 | Qzot | Heh. Thought so. |
| 19:53.40 | Josh_Borke | uncanny its responses |
| 19:53.42 | Shouryuu | lol I've just seen a video of a guy who trained his dog to go to his frigde, open it and fetch a beer |
| 19:53.57 | Qzot | Must be my uncle. |
| 19:54.01 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 19:54.46 | Qzot | He drilled a hole in the side of his fridge, so he can keep a keg in there with a hose running out to the spigot by his easy chair. |
| 19:56.28 | Shouryuu | haha |
| 19:57.18 | Cairenn | Okay, now I'm beginning to get annoyed. Not only does their site look remarkably like ours, but their "pitch" sound very very similar and they seem to have some "features" which are very reminiscent ... |
| 19:57.33 | Shouryuu | which site? |
| 19:57.35 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=334032&p=1&tmp=1#post334032 |
| 20:03.42 | Wobin_ | swerve? |
| 20:03.50 | Shadowd | what kind of name is that |
| 20:04.03 | Wobin_ | It did seem very dejavuish |
| 20:04.30 | Cairenn | yeah, just a little |
| 20:04.33 | Beladona | I am not gonna even dignify that thread with a reply |
| 20:04.49 | Beladona | but uh, yeah, someone needs to grow some originality along with that hemp |
| 20:05.13 | Wobin_ | I want to follow up with a Matrix "Black Cat" reference =P |
| 20:05.33 | Cairenn | well, I said it yesterday ... imitation is the sincerest form of flattery ... I just have to keep reminding myself of that ... |
| 20:05.51 | Cairenn | they scare me though, for the same reason that the other sites scare me |
| 20:06.16 | Cairenn | once your mod has been approved once, you have full access to it, without them checking it again |
| 20:06.18 | Beladona | it is flattery |
| 20:06.35 | Beladona | but it is also blatant rip off |
| 20:06.42 | Beladona | we can't prove that, but come on |
| 20:06.51 | Cairenn | what's to stop someone from initially uploading something safe and after it's been approved uploading something nasty? |
| 20:07.09 | Beladona | I wouldn't worry |
| 20:07.21 | Beladona | most people are pretty much settled with the palces they upload to now |
| 20:07.23 | Gryphen | true, but the community would be quick to find such a thing |
| 20:08.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | Cairenn: Have it run a shell script on all uploads that unpacks the file as many times as needed, and runs a virus check as well as executable check. |
| 20:08.49 | Cairenn | I just ... that whole concept simply boggles my mind ... sure it means a bit of a wait for approval on our site sometimes, but not usually very much ... and I'd rather do it our way so that our users can rest secure in the fact that anything on our site is safe |
| 20:09.25 | Cairenn | anyway, I need to scoot for a bit, back in a while |
| 20:13.28 | Beladona | GenNMX, the automated idea is nice, except that it cannot catch things such as addons that Blizz doesn't approve of |
| 20:13.38 | Beladona | which we do check for |
| 20:16.45 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Shouryuu (n=Shouryuu@26.239.97-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 20:16.49 | Shouryuu | arrrghh |
| 20:16.53 | Josh_Borke | rawr |
| 20:16.59 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 20:17.05 | GenNMX|Thrae | Beladona: Since Lua is just plain text, you could have it go through the code and check for "black-listed" API functions and also check for method names like "AutoTravel". |
| 20:17.21 | Josh_Borke | rawr |
| 20:17.27 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 20:17.30 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 20:17.33 | GenNMX|Thrae | I agree creating a new author account w/ WoWI should always be moderated, but each and every upload need not. |
| 20:17.38 | Shouryuu | it's automated :p |
| 20:17.43 | Josh_Borke | indeed :-) |
| 20:18.11 | Shouryuu | Well it's safer if every upload is screened |
| 20:19.11 | GenNMX|Thrae | Not necessarily, Shouryuu. With all of the load WoWI already receives, if someone reaaally wanted to, they could probably fool a human who's not up to 100% efficiency (sleep deprevation, etc.) |
| 20:19.45 | Shouryuu | sleep deprevation, on drugs, starving, and affect by nuclear fallout |
| 20:20.00 | GenNMX|Thrae | A computer can also be fooled, but at least they can be fooled in a logical manner. They always check things 100% within their parameters. |
| 20:20.19 | GenNMX|Thrae | And theoretically, the margin of error can become close to nil a lot easier then a human. |
| 20:20.41 | Shouryuu | well praticly, the current human marge of error is nil... |
| 20:20.54 | Shouryuu | I haven't ever heard of a hack being uploaded to WoWI |
| 20:21.14 | Shouryuu | But I guess I'm just being old an grumpy "It works fine now, why change it..." |
| 20:21.20 | GenNMX|Thrae | The human margin of error is an algorithmn which encompases their knowledge, experience, emotional state, etc. |
| 20:21.38 | GenNMX|Thrae | IE, several rather uncontrollable variables |
| 20:21.47 | GenNMX|Thrae | Unless we feed more Prozac to Cair ;) |
| 20:21.53 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 20:26.05 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 20:26.19 | Shouryuu | "The only biodeversity we'll have left is Coke vs Pepsi" |
| 20:26.27 | GenNMX|Thrae | Hey, does anyone know any MORPGs (not MMORPGs) that are like Diablo but less violent? |
| 20:26.49 | GenNMX|Thrae | I'm trying to find a game that's safe to play with my little brother of 8. |
| 20:27.31 | Shouryuu | Serious Sam? |
| 20:27.35 | Shouryuu | Domm III? |
| 20:27.52 | GenNMX|Thrae | Ha ha ;) |
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| 20:38.31 | Josh_Borke | wb |
| 20:38.35 | Cairenn | thanks |
| 20:41.49 | Osagasu | Okay, so Blizzard's CEO isn't as high nodes ad I once thought he was |
| 20:41.53 | Osagasu | *nosed |
| 20:42.42 | ckknight | hrm? |
| 20:42.58 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Iriel (n=daniel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 20:43.11 | Cairenn | hey! |
| 20:43.15 | Cairenn | hi Iriel :) |
| 20:43.22 | Osagasu | http://www.edge-online.co.uk/archives/2006/03/blizzard_ceo_re.php |
| 20:43.40 | Josh_Borke | wb iriel |
| 20:43.41 | Iriel | Finally. |
| 20:43.48 | Iriel | Hey all |
| 20:44.13 | Qzot | Woot! |
| 20:44.18 | Qzot | I sent you mail, Iriel. |
| 20:44.22 | Qzot | And it bounced. :( |
| 20:44.34 | Iriel | Yes, that'll teach me to not have a backup MX for all my domains |
| 20:44.51 | Qzot | MX = Master Xerographer? |
| 20:44.56 | Iriel | Mail eXchange |
| 20:45.20 | Qzot | So ... I should resend? |
| 20:45.25 | Iriel | It should be back now, as long as my DNS change propagated.. |
| 20:45.35 | Iriel | if it bounces again, send it to daniel@cheeseplant.org instead |
| 20:45.57 | Iriel | I got your test message tho 8-) |
| 20:45.59 | Qzot | Sent. |
| 20:46.12 | Qzot | Does your mbox accept .zip files? |
| 20:46.38 | Iriel | As long as they dont look like a supposedly delicious ham product |
| 20:46.48 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 20:46.50 | Qzot | Eww. |
| 20:47.03 | Qzot | I used to live in a country where spam was a status food. |
| 20:47.49 | Qzot | People would open the can from the bottom, leaving the key on top for display, and arrance the empty cans as a pyramid for display. Very weird. |
| 20:48.02 | Qzot | s/arrance/arrange |
| 20:48.29 | Josh_Borke | you mean s/arrance/arrange/? |
| 20:48.47 | Qzot | ~8ball Purl, I take it you ignore substitutions with no trailing '/'s, right? |
| 20:48.48 | purl | Please ask again. |
| 20:49.03 | Qzot | ~8ball nm. |
| 20:49.05 | purl | I'm not sure. |
| 20:49.29 | GenNMX|Thrae | Foo |
| 20:49.33 | GenNMX|Thrae | s/Foo/Bar/ |
| 20:49.39 | Josh_Borke | bar? |
| 20:49.42 | Qzot | Lol. |
| 20:49.49 | GenNMX|Thrae | It's because you had the ? at the end of the / |
| 20:49.54 | Josh_Borke | s/(bar)/test\1/ |
| 20:50.03 | Josh_Borke | =( |
| 20:50.12 | Qzot | k. Thanks. |
| 20:50.21 | Qzot | Small hole, but a hole nonetheless. |
| 20:50.38 | Iriel | Yeah, it may be one that's tolerable, We'll see. |
| 20:51.07 | Qzot | Tolerable = They'll leave it in but ban people who exploit it. :P |
| 20:51.27 | Beladona | Iriel is back? |
| 20:51.33 | Cairenn | yup |
| 20:51.34 | Qzot | Not yet. |
| 20:51.34 | Cairenn | yay |
| 20:51.39 | Beladona | damn my afk-ness |
| 20:51.41 | Qzot | His aura is preceding him. |
| 20:51.43 | Beladona | welcome back |
| 20:51.45 | Iriel | Well, tolerable would be 'exploiting it maliciously is already covered by other rules' |
| 20:51.46 | Iriel | heh, thanks |
| 20:52.13 | Iriel | And damnation to SBC/Yahoo/AT&T for being retarded, but kudos to the few of their techs who WERE actually helpful. |
| 20:52.17 | Qzot | I understand Blizz has been banning the 1.9 exploits when used in what amounted to game play. |
| 20:52.24 | Qzot | s/banning/suspending/ |
| 20:52.27 | Beladona | II remember last Hurricane season we were without pwoer for a week' |
| 20:52.39 | Beladona | the only thing that really hurt me was not having internet |
| 20:52.43 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 20:52.50 | Iriel | It's like losing a limb, or running water |
| 20:52.57 | Iriel | That's probably a sign I should spend more time offline |
| 20:53.02 | Beladona | or losing your hearing |
| 20:53.06 | Beladona | and sight |
| 20:53.15 | ckknight | or getting castrated |
| 20:53.17 | Qzot | Limb > Internet access > Running water |
| 20:53.27 | Iriel | ckknight : I'm not sure i'd go THAT far |
| 20:53.33 | Beladona | haha |
| 20:53.35 | GenNMX|Thrae | Iriel: Technology is part of human evolution. We are using the brains nature gave us to invent new ways to interact with the world. |
| 20:53.45 | Beladona | you can still surf with no genitals |
| 20:53.48 | Beladona | oh |
| 20:54.03 | GenNMX|Thrae | The Internet is just another part of human evolution. A way to actually tap into the great "human unconsciousness" that Carl Jung talked about. |
| 20:54.03 | Qzot | I've lived for several years without running water or internet access. No question which *I'd* choose. Seriously. |
| 20:55.03 | Iriel | The fun part is, I get to go through the 'changing the IP's on everything' game again with the OTHER half of my domain stuff next week, as I upgrade web hosts. |
| 20:55.04 | Beladona | Iriel, you might know an answer for this |
| 20:55.07 | GenNMX|Thrae | Through the Internet, we have a nexus of thoughts, feelings, and emotions impossible years before. |
| 20:55.24 | Beladona | I need to find a way to force logoff of users in a domain after a set length of inactivity |
| 20:55.38 | Iriel | Beladona : A windows domain? |
| 20:55.41 | Beladona | aye |
| 20:55.53 | Beladona | unfortuantely there isn't a GPO that I know of for that |
| 20:55.58 | Iriel | Beladona : I'll be no help to you there then i'm afraid, the last windows admin book I read was in 1998 |
| 20:56.06 | Beladona | darn |
| 20:56.14 | Beladona | I know it cna be done in Linux |
| 20:56.25 | Beladona | how sad... |
| 20:56.28 | Iriel | I'd imagine it was a security policy setting of some sort |
| 20:56.42 | GenNMX|Thrae | Beladona: What version of Windows? |
| 20:56.48 | Beladona | XP |
| 20:56.59 | Beladona | maybe a couple 2k |
| 20:58.40 | GenNMX|Thrae | Beladona: http://www.google.com/search?q=xp+inactivity+log+off+domain&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official\ |
| 20:59.14 | Beladona | nice |
| 20:59.17 | Beladona | a bat file |
| 20:59.18 | GenNMX|Thrae | Seems like there may be no way to do it within a domain without a script, but the first few hits provides the scripts |
| 20:59.28 | Beladona | which I will have to convert to wsh |
| 20:59.32 | Beladona | just because |
| 20:59.35 | GenNMX|Thrae | Why WSH? |
| 20:59.36 | Iriel | http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;314999&sd=tech |
| 20:59.45 | Beladona | because I like it better |
| 20:59.48 | Beladona | than bat |
| 20:59.49 | GenNMX|Thrae | Hey, Linux lives on shell scripting |
| 21:00.13 | Iriel | I imagine almost anything is more usable than BAT too |
| 21:00.30 | Beladona | bat is very limited |
| 21:00.34 | Beladona | in my mind anyway |
| 21:00.35 | GenNMX|Thrae | I don't disagree that BAT isn't limited, but it's more widely known |
| 21:00.48 | GenNMX|Thrae | I grew up on BAT with DOS 4.0+ |
| 21:01.04 | Iriel | I did shell, and then bash |
| 21:01.07 | Iriel | then BAT |
| 21:01.30 | Beladona | ugh, Winexit.scr |
| 21:01.32 | Beladona | how gay |
| 21:01.40 | Beladona | you have to set that on each workstation? |
| 21:01.43 | Beladona | manually? |
| 21:01.57 | Beladona | go go gadget techies |
| 21:01.59 | Beladona | =P |
| 21:02.01 | GenNMX|Thrae | You could have it automatically downloaded with the domain start script ;) |
| 21:02.12 | Beladona | sure, but then it has to be configured |
| 21:02.35 | Beladona | I could probably do it with some registry entries |
| 21:02.36 | Beladona | but |
| 21:02.48 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well if the script is being pushed, can't it be configured to the computer it's being pushed to? |
| 21:03.10 | Beladona | not from what I am reading |
| 21:03.14 | Beladona | not that one anyway |
| 21:03.35 | Beladona | its a screensaver, which means I would also need to lock down their ability to change their screensaver |
| 21:03.46 | Beladona | otherwise they can lift the logoff |
| 21:04.32 | GenNMX|Thrae | Of course, I am very curious why you can't just tell the server to drop the connection to the user. |
| 21:05.26 | Beladona | because the server doesn't have an in-built feature for idle session disconnect |
| 21:05.40 | Beladona | which is a shame |
| 21:06.09 | GenNMX|Thrae | What do you consider "idle"? |
| 21:06.50 | GenNMX|Thrae | No input events for X amount of minutes? |
| 21:06.55 | Beladona | 2 or more hours |
| 21:07.03 | Beladona | I may have found something |
| 21:07.12 | Beladona | http://www.jsifaq.com/SUBS/tip9400/rh9426.htm |
| 21:07.50 | Tain | Oooh that's ugly. |
| 21:08.57 | Beladona | our main issue is that users are leaving their computers on, along with some programs, and when updates get run overnight, the open files can't be updated. It can result in corrupted files |
| 21:09.19 | Tain | Ah, Beladona the way we handled that was implement a forced logout (or reboot) every night at a certain time. |
| 21:09.26 | Beladona | maybe the solution is to just disconnect everyone at a specific time |
| 21:09.33 | Beladona | yeah |
| 21:10.26 | GenNMX|Thrae | Better solution: Convince your boss to save thousands of dollars by switching to Linux Servers. |
| 21:10.40 | Tain | It'll cost thousands, or more, to switch. |
| 21:10.48 | Tain | Hard to convince the long term savings sometimes. |
| 21:10.51 | Beladona | we can't |
| 21:11.06 | Tain | Besides, not everyone can use Linux. |
| 21:11.09 | GenNMX|Thrae | Run your Windows-only imaging software in Wine! |
| 21:11.10 | Beladona | there are server based software packages we use that are purely ms only |
| 21:11.18 | GenNMX|Thrae | The workstations don't need to be in Linux |
| 21:11.30 | Beladona | read what I said again |
| 21:11.38 | Beladona | let me bold the "Server Based" part |
| 21:11.42 | Beladona | lol |
| 21:11.44 | GenNMX|Thrae | Beladona: I was responding to Tain. |
| 21:11.48 | Beladona | ahh ok |
| 21:11.53 | GenNMX|Thrae | Beladona: Like what? |
| 21:11.56 | Tain | I was letting Beladona answer for me. |
| 21:12.01 | Tain | I wasn't even thinking about workstations. |
| 21:12.33 | Beladona | like Schwabg Performance Technologies provides Portfolio Center products that run as a server |
| 21:12.38 | Beladona | Schwab |
| 21:12.40 | Beladona | sorry |
| 21:13.32 | Beladona | as well as some Creative Solutions products |
| 21:13.49 | Beladona | trust me, I went there |
| 21:14.00 | Beladona | when I started here I had to rebuild their infrastructure |
| 21:14.09 | Tain | It might be different now, I haven't checked in the last couple of years, but there was no Linux support for the fiberchannel SAN hardware we were using for storage, for example. |
| 21:14.12 | Beladona | and Linux was a definite possiblity |
| 21:14.16 | Beladona | but alas I could not |
| 21:14.27 | Josh_Borke | can't connect to WoWi :-( |
| 21:14.59 | Tain | Hell, even just file sharing, our internal testing showed Samba had worse performance than Windows 2000 for what we were doing. Which was sad because I was trying to push it. |
| 21:15.36 | Cairenn | just let Dolby know |
| 21:15.49 | Cairenn | s/just/I just/ |
| 21:15.50 | Beladona | agreed Tain |
| 21:16.10 | Shadowd | heh |
| 21:16.12 | Beladona | that can be a serious problem when you push terrabytes of data |
| 21:16.22 | Shadowd | Yay for PM spam on ui.worldofwar from Swervegaming. |
| 21:16.28 | Beladona | uhh |
| 21:16.34 | Tain | IN the end the only thing we got people to agree to use Linux for was net-new app servers that would be developed on Linux from day 1. |
| 21:16.34 | Cairenn | you serious? |
| 21:16.38 | Tain | No migration of anything. |
| 21:16.41 | Beladona | don't tell me they are advertising via pm |
| 21:16.45 | Beladona | on other sites? |
| 21:16.57 | Shadowd | Yeah, he sent me a PM titled "New Mod hosting site invites you!!! " |
| 21:17.08 | Tain | hee hee that's sad. |
| 21:17.09 | Cairenn | they'd damn well better not try doing it on our site |
| 21:17.10 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yeah, there is an upper-level threshold for Samba, but I've found it's minimal with enough tweaking. Still, it is there. |
| 21:17.14 | Shadowd | And the message starts with |
| 21:17.15 | Shadowd | "I would like to be the first to extend an invitation to you to Swerve Gaming, a new site devoted to mod developers of all games." |
| 21:17.29 | Beladona | I bet they are targetting mod authors |
| 21:17.49 | Shadowd | Probably, the first bit of the message is "Dear Developer" |
| 21:17.51 | Beladona | that really pisses me off |
| 21:18.03 | Shadowd | I can forward you the whole message if you want to see it on WoWI |
| 21:18.04 | GenNMX|Thrae | "I would like to be the first to extend an invitation to you to Swerve Gaming, a new site devoted to spamming mod developers of all games." |
| 21:18.23 | Beladona | can you guys tell us if you start getting that shit on wowi? |
| 21:18.58 | Beladona | wowi is slow |
| 21:19.03 | GenNMX|Thrae | "In addition, Swerve Gaming can enlarge your e-peen by 5 inches or more!" |
| 21:19.03 | Shadowd | I can't even get on it |
| 21:19.04 | Cairenn | damn well better not find any ... if you do, forward it to me |
| 21:19.10 | Shadowd | will do |
| 21:19.13 | Cairenn | and, we aren't slow, we're flat out down |
| 21:19.18 | Cairenn | I've no idea why |
| 21:19.21 | Cairenn | I've contacted Dolby |
| 21:19.24 | Beladona | maybe Swerve has some kind of mass pm script |
| 21:19.30 | Tain | Swerve hacked wowi! |
| 21:19.31 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 21:19.38 | Josh_Borke | that makes me sad :-( |
| 21:19.42 | Qzot|distracted | Cairenn: What's protocol for getting help for group testing of an addon on Draka? Beg and whine on this channel? |
| 21:19.52 | Cairenn | heh, something like that |
| 21:19.52 | Shadowd | You'd think it would be smart enough to replace the world "Developer" with the name whos being sent too though. |
| 21:19.58 | Tain | Asking for help here usually works. |
| 21:20.09 | Cairenn | just ask if anyone has some time to pop in and help you test |
| 21:20.18 | Qzot|distracted | Good times of day? And normal meet-up locations in-world? |
| 21:20.32 | Ktron | Alright, time to move home for break... catch you all later |
| 21:20.45 | Beladona | mm, its more than just wowi itself, it is the whole server apparently, as wdn is down too |
| 21:20.47 | Osagasu | We just log in if needed |
| 21:20.48 | Shadowd | Is the wiki messaged up for anyone else in IE6? http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API |
| 21:21.16 | Cairenn | Qzot|distracted: given the multinational aspect of this channel, there isn't really any one time that is better than any other time |
| 21:21.40 | Cairenn | Beladona: yeah, I know, VGI is down too |
| 21:21.52 | Osagasu | >.> |
| 21:21.58 | Beladona | eqi is fine |
| 21:22.02 | Cairenn | yup |
| 21:22.02 | Qzot|distracted | Excellent. I'm not quite ready yet. But I'll need one person for a few minutes, and then a crowd to stress test. |
| 21:22.16 | Shadowd | Yeah yeah i know Osagasu :p |
| 21:22.24 | Cairenn | eqi and eq2i are on one server, wowi and vgi are on another |
| 21:22.30 | Beladona | ahh ok |
| 21:22.35 | Cairenn | shit, ct is down too |
| 21:23.04 | Fanook | looks like curse is hit too |
| 21:23.40 | Beladona | thats too many to be a coicidence |
| 21:23.42 | Qzot|distracted | Maybe swerve wasn't getting enough response from just pm-ing. |
| 21:23.55 | Qzot|distracted | Is swerve still up? |
| 21:24.05 | Shadowd | yes |
| 21:24.26 | Shadowd | worldofwar is still up too though. |
| 21:24.44 | Shadowd | curse seems fine though |
| 21:25.00 | Beladona | worldofwar is fine, so if they are getting hit, they are taking it like a man |
| 21:25.03 | Fanook | ah, loaded this time |
| 21:25.05 | Cairenn | grrrrrrr |
| 21:25.29 | Shadowd | CG is a bit slow, but that happens from time to time anyway |
| 21:27.07 | Tain | Aw man I had a good spousal abuse joke to toss out there on the worldofwar taking it like a man comment. |
| 21:27.18 | Tain | But I kept it to myself. |
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| 21:27.38 | AnduinLothar | wowinterface not loading? |
| 21:27.42 | Cairenn | nope |
| 21:27.44 | Beladona | nope |
| 21:27.46 | Cairenn | talking to Dolby right now |
| 21:27.47 | Beladona | nor is curse |
| 21:27.58 | Beladona | or it wasn't |
| 21:28.01 | Beladona | now it is for me |
| 21:28.02 | Guillotine | curse is loading for me now |
| 21:28.07 | AnduinLothar | wishful downloaders already? |
| 21:28.09 | Tain | Current conspiracy theories say swervegaming is hacking everyone. |
| 21:28.16 | Guillotine | lol tain |
| 21:28.36 | Cairenn | dolbymithrael: Last message from the datacenter was: "There was a DoS attack which was mitigated, all should be well now. |
| 21:28.36 | Cairenn | dolbymithrael: I'm guessing the attacker came back stronger |
| 21:28.41 | Shadowd | heh |
| 21:28.55 | Cairenn | so it's the data center, not us |
| 21:29.20 | Cairenn | dolbymithrael: this is the thread where other people who have servers with them are posting http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?p=3715555#post3715555 |
| 21:30.00 | Guillotine | so someone is really hacking? |
| 21:30.06 | Guillotine | wow. maybe it is swerve... |
| 21:30.25 | Beladona | maybe coincidence |
| 21:30.29 | Shadowd | But why would they hack the datacenter and not just WoWI? |
| 21:30.37 | Beladona | just happened to be right when people started getting pms from them |
| 21:30.59 | Tain | G15 users of the world have united in an attack against the infrastructure of the world. |
| 21:31.07 | Qzot|distracted | Dang! |
| 21:31.29 | Guillotine | yes, but that's kind of wierd cooncidence that some of the most popular addon sites are going down |
| 21:31.34 | Qzot|distracted | If WoWI and cg aren't going to bother keeping their sites up, I'm gonna switch to swerve. They seem to know what they're doing. |
| 21:31.34 | Beladona | they wouldn't do a DOS attack though, unless they could watch it happen on their little LCD |
| 21:31.41 | Beladona | hehe |
| 21:31.58 | Beladona | not that I have room to talk |
| 21:32.00 | Guillotine | zeeg, could you let us know if you start getting what appears to be a DoS attack? I'd be interested to know |
| 21:32.04 | Beladona | I have a G15, and love it |
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| 21:33.37 | Gryphen | <3 my g15 |
| 21:34.12 | Tain | Hey there's some conjecture that the processor of the LCD could be powerful enough to run an embedded linux system. :) |
| 21:34.57 | zeeg | yessim |
| 21:35.05 | zeeg | why would I/ |
| 21:35.21 | Shadowd | read up like 30 lines! |
| 21:35.34 | Cairenn | somehow I highly doubt it guys :p |
| 21:35.37 | zeeg | i doubt they could kill wowguru |
| 21:36.01 | Shadowd | Cairenn stop ruining our fun! |
| 21:36.25 | Qzot|distracted | Now this is interesting. |
| 21:36.33 | AnduinLothar | you should shut down your site zeeg and we can black ball them and watch them deny it furiously |
| 21:36.40 | zeeg | or not |
| 21:36.59 | AnduinLothar | oportunist |
| 21:37.05 | Qzot|distracted | These DoS attacks are easier if they have inside information. |
| 21:37.52 | Shadowd | Two quick API questions actually. Is it possible to get if a key is being held down besides SHIFT, ALT, CTRL and is there an a way to get if you're inside an instance thats not as bug prone? |
| 21:38.15 | Qzot|distracted | We *know* that Swerve has Weapons of Mass Disruption, Cairenn. We have the intelligence. |
| 21:38.24 | Cairenn | Qzot|distracted: Private Window (in case you didn't see it) |
| 21:38.29 | Qzot|distracted | For you to imply there's no conspiracy is unpatriotic. |
| 21:38.46 | Qzot|distracted | I'm afraid I can't see private windows on this client. |
| 21:38.52 | AnduinLothar | it's not a conspiracy, it's outright WAR! |
| 21:38.57 | Cairenn | ah, okay |
| 21:39.10 | Qzot|distracted | It's probably hidden somewhere. |
| 21:39.22 | Guillotine | Qzot: what client? |
| 21:39.22 | Qzot|distracted | Um. If you're asking me to lay off, sure. I'm just kidding. |
| 21:39.30 | Qzot|distracted | ircii. I think. |
| 21:39.31 | Cairenn | no no, it's okay |
| 21:39.39 | Guillotine | oh. get chatzilla :) I <3 it |
| 21:39.40 | Cairenn | that wasn't it at all |
| 21:39.54 | Qzot|distracted | I don't have control over this machine. Just the ability to ssh into it. |
| 21:40.11 | Qzot|distracted | I had to beg to get an identd installed on it. :P |
| 21:40.31 | AnduinLothar | think ssh got dissabled at work :'( |
| 21:40.37 | Qzot|distracted | k. Do you want an email address? |
| 21:40.54 | Qzot|distracted | I'm assuming it's something you'd prefer not over the open channel... |
| 21:41.01 | AnduinLothar | was desperitely trying to find some other way than ftp and http to access my home compy |
| 21:41.20 | Josh_Borke | Qzot|distracted: nice HowTo :-) |
| 21:41.26 | AnduinLothar | and i'm fairly certain proxies are blocked unless I set up my own |
| 21:41.29 | Qzot|distracted | Incomplete, but thanks. |
| 21:41.32 | Cairenn | naw, wasn't anything, no worries |
| 21:41.47 | Josh_Borke | Shadowd: does this help? http://www.wowwiki.com/Bindings.xml |
| 21:41.50 | Qzot|distracted | k. When I'm on at other times, I use mIRC, which works just fine. |
| 21:42.03 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Gryphon (n=masked@c-67-183-238-150.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 21:42.03 | Qzot|distracted | Can I have a hint, plz? You're torturing me... |
| 21:42.10 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 21:42.33 | Qzot|distracted | lol |
| 21:42.35 | Iriel | Shadowd: To answer your key question - no |
| 21:42.40 | Shadowd | Bah! |
| 21:43.21 | Cairenn | I was just asking you to verify that you were joking when you said you were going to switch to Swerve because WoWI and CG can't stay online :p |
| 21:43.32 | Qzot|distracted | Josh_Borke: I really wish I knew where I got the orig inspiration for the OnEvent trick, tho. I hate not giving credit where it's due. |
| 21:43.35 | Josh_Borke | loll |
| 21:43.41 | Qzot|distracted | LOL!! |
| 21:43.43 | Josh_Borke | yea, i really like that OnEvent trick |
| 21:43.44 | Qzot|distracted | Confirmed. |
| 21:43.45 | Josh_Borke | that's nifty |
| 21:44.04 | Qzot|distracted | I cleaned it up slightly, but the basic idea is someone else's. |
| 21:44.15 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : Can you use ssh over a port other than 22? |
| 21:44.25 | Guillotine | what OnEvent trick? link? |
| 21:44.25 | Qzot|distracted | The next one I'm going to add is a subcommand trick. |
| 21:44.28 | Shadowd | So far the only method I can find that seems to work is checking the current map and if it's "Azeroth" it's an instance. Since using an x/y cord seemed to be buggy. |
| 21:44.38 | AnduinLothar | possibly, I'd have to set up the router to forward it here at home |
| 21:44.40 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : Someone's written an IP over HTTP tunnel too |
| 21:44.51 | Cairenn | "I'm going to post updates as I have them, and will try to keep people updated here as much as possible. At approx 4:10PM EST, looks like the main UPS did not switch properly indicated by early reports. Electricians and staff are working on the matter, that's all I know for now, I will post more as I have updates, and will try for estimates in about 20 minutes. __________________ |
| 21:44.51 | Cairenn | Matthew McCormick |
| 21:44.52 | Cairenn | VP of Business Development |
| 21:44.52 | Cairenn | www.dedicatednow.com |
| 21:44.52 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : No that it's particularly efficient |
| 21:44.53 | Tain | Guillotine: They tought OnEvent to roll over and play dead, it's really cute. |
| 21:44.53 | Cairenn | mmccormick@fortressitx.com " |
| 21:45.01 | Josh_Borke | Guillotine: http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Do_Tricks_With_Lua_Method_Notation#Trick_.231:_OnEvent_Handling |
| 21:45.10 | Guillotine | lol. ok |
| 21:45.50 | Cairenn | yo, MentalPower |
| 21:45.53 | Cairenn | you there? |
| 21:45.59 | MentalPower | yup |
| 21:46.03 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=334288&p=1&tmp=1#post334288 |
| 21:46.11 | Cairenn | who do you guys host with? :p |
| 21:46.17 | Qzot|distracted | There has got to be a way to configure this client to notice logins/logouts. |
| 21:46.28 | Iriel | They didn't do it very efficiently |
| 21:46.30 | Josh_Borke | Qzot|distracted: lol |
| 21:46.38 | Iriel | Though I suppose they dont have much choice |
| 21:46.41 | Tain | Oh so having functions for each event rather than a single OnEvent function with if event == ?. |
| 21:46.48 | Josh_Borke | Tain: yea |
| 21:46.55 | MentalPower | I can confirm that its down |
| 21:47.00 | Iriel | It's hadly much of a 'trick' tho |
| 21:47.06 | Iriel | it's just a different way of doing something |
| 21:47.16 | Iriel | and has nothing to do with methods |
| 21:47.20 | Guillotine | I'm beginning to believe tain that someone is specifically targetting popular WoW sites |
| 21:47.37 | Iriel | <OnEvent> local handler = MyEventHandlers[event]; if (handler) then handler(event); end |
| 21:47.37 | Tain | Yeah. I actually like it since it separates your event blocks into logical sections. |
| 21:47.42 | Iriel | The non-method approach |
| 21:47.43 | Qzot|distracted | Iriel: Possible to do with getglobal, but much uglier. |
| 21:47.57 | Tain | That's one of the reasons I really liked Aces event handling, I've always done it that way. |
| 21:48.01 | Iriel | Qzot|distracted : Using get global would be silly, just use a subtable |
| 21:48.03 | Cairenn | MentalPower: who do you host with? may be you guys are suffering under the same DOS attack that has us down too? |
| 21:48.17 | Iriel | That they pass event and no args is a bit messy too |
| 21:48.27 | Qzot|distracted | Yeah, subtables work, too. But then you have most of the method abstraction, anyway. |
| 21:48.27 | Iriel | I mean, if you're going to create event handling functions, you should pass full information |
| 21:48.32 | Iriel | Not JUST the event |
| 21:48.34 | Tain | Guillotine: You might be right! Look at who's going down, it is all the popular sites! |
| 21:48.34 | MentalPower | I wish I could answer that, but I have no clue, and norganna is not online by any means |
| 21:48.59 | Cairenn | MentalPower: k |
| 21:49.15 | Guillotine | I have worldofwar.net open in another window to see what happens there. I'd say thats one of the three most popular addon sites |
| 21:49.18 | Qzot|distracted | Iriel: Please edit as appropriate. It's a wiki, after all. :D |
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| 21:50.02 | ckknight | wow, that is a cool OnEvent trick. |
| 21:50.04 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Miravlix (i=dragon@0x3e42aafc.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 21:50.58 | Qzot|distracted | Iriel: I also think you might be tempted to discredit it as a trick for being obvious. Looking at a number of addons, there are some fairly basic things that are less obvious than I would have expected. |
| 21:50.59 | Iriel | I should probably leave it alone, treating these things like magic nuggets that aren't pretty standard practice bugs me 8-) |
| 21:51.28 | Iriel | Well, yes, obvious to a professional developer, versus obvious to a hobbyist coder are different |
| 21:51.34 | Qzot|distracted | Hmm. I'm having trouble parsing that last, but I'm wondering if we're in violent agreement. |
| 21:51.41 | Iriel | "Techniques" rather than "Tricks" tho |
| 21:51.59 | Tain | I agree with that syntactic sugar. |
| 21:52.12 | Qzot|distracted | People don't want to read "Techniques", lol. They will read "Tricks", however. |
| 21:52.19 | Tain | I just like saying syntactic sugar. |
| 21:52.22 | Josh_Borke | that syntactic sugar pleases me :-D |
| 21:52.34 | Qzot|distracted | I've loved that term for years. |
| 21:52.50 | Tain | Maybe you can provide a syntactic nutrasweet as well? |
| 21:53.05 | Qzot|distracted | That another HOWTO, for metatables. |
| 21:53.34 | Qzot|distracted | s/That/That's/ |
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| 21:55.52 | Iriel | Alrighty, since I appear to be getting mail and answering DNS requests, i'm going to go idle and do some work again. |
| 21:56.21 | Cairenn | later Iriel :) |
| 21:57.12 | Iriel | Yay, slouken fixed the tooltip length problem |
| 21:57.22 | ckknight | hrm? |
| 21:57.53 | ckknight | oh yea, I fixed that manually for BossPanel |
| 21:57.54 | ckknight | lol |
| 21:58.09 | AnduinLothar | already? I just bugged it last night |
| 21:58.15 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 21:58.29 | Cairenn | hey hey Miravlix, welcome to the insan, errrr, lounge |
| 21:58.36 | AnduinLothar | course I made it easy for him. made an addon that calculates it |
| 21:59.03 | Beladona | home time! |
| 21:59.10 | [MoonWolf] | oh yes, welcome... dont mind us. |
| 21:59.10 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : We'd already given him the length |
| 21:59.11 | Cairenn | later Bela |
| 21:59.20 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : I think he just figured out WHY it happens |
| 22:01.11 | AnduinLothar | ya, the sad part was i submitted my speculation as to why 'string byte size' but my supervisor deleted it from my bug post tellign me I wasn't sposed to say what i though the problem was cause it 'pisses of the devs' |
| 22:01.31 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 22:01.40 | Beladona | those tooltip length problems sound dangerously close to some other funny comments |
| 22:01.50 | AnduinLothar | i shoulda just emailed slouken... get a better response and don't have to go through 3 people |
| 22:01.54 | Iriel | yeah |
| 22:02.01 | Beladona | expecially the "We already gave him the lenth" |
| 22:02.21 | Iriel | It's probably easier to make a bug and then email him your extra info |
| 22:02.24 | Beladona | and with that 2 cents, I am off |
| 22:02.31 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Beladona (n=sluster@josephpartners.com) |
| 22:02.36 | AnduinLothar | my silly supervisors know next to nothing about coding... and i have to go through them if i post code problems in the bug database |
| 22:02.37 | Iriel | At least, that's how I like it happening here, from testers who know what they're doing |
| 22:02.55 | Josh_Borke | ok, have a good weekend all |
| 22:03.03 | AnduinLothar | ya, i'll be doing that in the future. |
| 22:03.15 | Cairenn | you too J ... grrrr, 10 sec rule people :p |
| 22:03.32 | *** join/#wowi-lounge dukeku (i=dukeku@c-67-160-162-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 22:04.21 | AnduinLothar | I got whined at for formatting with "4) -->" they changed it to "4. --->" |
| 22:04.27 | Qzot|distracted | 10 second rule? |
| 22:04.37 | Guillotine | wait 10 secs after saying bye to log off |
| 22:04.53 | AnduinLothar | i'm like.... it's an fing bug report, i'm not filing tps' reports.. |
| 22:05.07 | Guillotine | lol Anduin |
| 22:05.26 | Cairenn | when you log in, wait 10 sec before you say hello, to make sure you aren't interrupting a conversation; when you log out, say bye then wait 10 sec so folks have a chance to respond before you actually log out |
| 22:05.29 | AnduinLothar | i think he was intimidated that i encluded a test addon |
| 22:05.48 | Guillotine | wouldn't be suprised at all |
| 22:06.07 | AnduinLothar | mmm 'encluding' sounds like a new programming buzz word |
| 22:06.18 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 22:07.18 | Cide | http://swervegaming.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?15 |
| 22:07.22 | Cide | that made me laugh |
| 22:07.41 | Cide | seeing as it was fixed within a day of the launch of the **1.9** PTRs |
| 22:07.45 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 22:08.13 | Cairenn | yeah, saw that last night Cide, after I told you about CTRA being on the site |
| 22:08.14 | Shadowd | hah |
| 22:08.15 | Shadowd | a |
| 22:09.12 | [MoonWolf] | i linked that over at ##ace earlier today |
| 22:09.16 | Guillotine | haha |
| 22:09.16 | [MoonWolf] | we had a good laugh out of it. |
| 22:09.24 | Guillotine | thats hilarious |
| 22:09.32 | [MoonWolf] | im really not seeing any future for these people |
| 22:09.51 | [MoonWolf] | i mean theyr admins are poorly informed at best. |
| 22:09.51 | Shadowd | Well they're already PM Spamming authors to get them to come, so it's not a very good looking future |
| 22:10.19 | Cairenn | well, when the datacenter gets back up and running and thus WoWI is back up ... if anyone gets and spam PMs from them on WoWI, I damn well want to know about it |
| 22:10.44 | Qzot|distracted | DoS > PM spam |
| 22:11.04 | [MoonWolf] | will send word if that is the case. |
| 22:11.17 | AnduinLothar | http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/29/news_6128319.html |
| 22:12.39 | Guillotine | interesting |
| 22:12.40 | Guillotine | wonder if he plays on Draenor... |
| 22:13.03 | [MoonWolf] | you never know, that guy that was in your party, that could have been HIM! |
| 22:13.18 | Guillotine | well, his name was Davechapel, so maybe |
| 22:13.22 | Guillotine | :P |
| 22:14.12 | [MoonWolf] | somehow i think the chance he was dave are slim. |
| 22:18.52 | Cairenn | *blink* |
| 22:18.53 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=334321&p=1&tmp=1#post334321 |
| 22:19.15 | Guillotine | rofl |
| 22:19.33 | Guillotine | someone link him to that site with infinite popups |
| 22:20.32 | Miravlix | In AO if any char was found out to be controled by a company person, it had to be erased. They had a strict privacy policy regarding there empliees playing the game. |
| 22:22.31 | Shadowd | ? |
| 22:22.50 | Guillotine | wait... they didn't allow employees to play their own game? |
| 22:22.57 | Cairenn | hahahhahaha |
| 22:23.00 | Miravlix | The empliees had to keep it secret that they where playing the game |
| 22:23.05 | Guillotine | ohhhh |
| 22:23.13 | Cairenn | omg, Sat responded very nicely |
| 22:23.35 | Miravlix | Makes sense to avoid porblems. |
| 22:23.45 | Guillotine | rofl. <3 satrina |
| 22:23.53 | Cairenn | all of the game companies that I've had anything to do with have had that policy |
| 22:24.06 | Guillotine | Miravlix: blizz has pretty much that policy |
| 22:24.19 | Cairenn | you aren't supposed to know if you are playing with an employee |
| 22:24.31 | Cairenn | SOE has it, Blizz has it, SGO has it |
| 22:24.43 | Guillotine | right. though I guess employees can make chars specifically to talk to people (like slouken's char in the draka guilds) |
| 22:25.10 | Guillotine | then again, doesn't everyone know what char anduin plays b/c he's been posting with it on the blizz forums for so long? |
| 22:25.55 | Miravlix | A GM char is qutie different from a normal in game char |
| 22:26.19 | Guillotine | huh? what does that have to do with it? |
| 22:28.04 | Miravlix | The rules for being on a GM char for an empliee is different than a real played char in my experince. |
| 22:28.37 | Guillotine | ah |
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| 22:31.22 | Shouryuu | boo |
| 22:31.29 | Cairenn | eek |
| 22:31.57 | Wobin_ | rawr |
| 22:32.03 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 22:32.19 | Shouryuu | that's my line |
| 22:32.32 | Shouryuu | she's jsut looking for attention... |
| 22:32.49 | Cairenn | ya snooze, ya lose |
| 22:32.53 | Guillotine | ono i escared of my delaid reflexes |
| 22:34.55 | Qzot|distracted | Heh. I guess we'll never have an employee in our guild, then. |
| 22:35.33 | Qzot|distracted | We require an RL connection from a guild member, however faint. |
| 22:35.57 | Cairenn | you might, you just won't know it ... ah, okay then nm |
| 22:36.16 | Cairenn | site is back up, may go back down again though |
| 22:36.16 | Qzot|distracted | hehe |
| 22:36.38 | Qzot|distracted | Btw, Cairenn, I'll try to make future sarcasm more blatent. Don't want you fretting. |
| 22:36.55 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 22:37.02 | Qzot|distracted | s/blatent/blatant/ |
| 22:37.28 | Qzot|distracted | Did you hear about this recent study on sarcasm in email? |
| 22:38.00 | [MoonWolf] | yeah a large percentage did not catch sarcasm in emails. |
| 22:38.13 | MentalPower | our servers are still down :( |
| 22:38.54 | Qzot|distracted | Yeah. Lab study, so some limitations. 90% of senders were sure their sarcasm or lack thereof was obvious. Receivers guessed right 50% of the time. No better than flipping a coin. |
| 22:39.12 | Shadowd | No spam PM's yet! |
| 22:39.22 | Shouryuu | well feelings/expressions are hard to understand though written texxt |
| 22:40.01 | Qzot|distracted | Shouryuu: Was that sarcasm there? |
| 22:40.06 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 22:40.10 | Qzot|distracted | </SARCASM> |
| 22:40.35 | Shouryuu | no it's true |
| 22:41.37 | [MoonWolf] | bed time for me |
| 22:41.44 | [MoonWolf] | night |
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| 22:41.59 | Qzot|distracted | Very true. Recent example: I thought my sarcastic comment about switching to swerve because wowi couldn't keep their server up was obvious. Obviously, it wasn't obvious. :P |
| 22:43.13 | Tain | Woohoo! I remembered to take screenshots before trying to upload a new addon! |
| 22:43.38 | Qzot|distracted | Hehe. |
| 22:43.43 | Miravlix | Baah, Screenshots if for gimps |
| 22:45.51 | Qzot|distracted | Do people prefer addons split out, or in bundles? |
| 22:47.27 | Tain | Split out entirely. |
| 22:47.37 | Qzot|distracted | That's what I thought. :( |
| 22:47.59 | Shouryuu | well it depends who |
| 22:48.11 | Shouryuu | new users, bundles, otherwise split out |
| 22:48.20 | Cairenn | either or, some would rather download a bundle, others prefer to pick and choose |
| 22:48.57 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 22:49.45 | Qzot|distracted | I was toying with the idea of repacking PartyAims with a bunch of minor tools I've put together. Common utils, but little else in common. Leaving all but PartyAims disabled by default. |
| 22:49.56 | Qzot|distracted | s/repacking/repackaging/ |
| 22:50.19 | Qzot|distracted | Sounds like I should let each one live or die on it's own. |
| 22:51.19 | Guillotine | I would |
| 22:51.37 | Qzot|distracted | Sad. I suspect the minor ones have no way of getting airplay. |
| 22:51.58 | Guillotine | give them awesome looking graphics. thats what seems to draw people... |
| 22:52.36 | Qzot|distracted | PartyAims get a standard sort of comment: 'Really cool, but the artwork sux.' |
| 22:53.06 | Guillotine | that was me actually... |
| 22:53.18 | Qzot|distracted | You're not the only one. :) |
| 22:53.26 | Guillotine | hehe |
| 22:53.37 | Qzot|distracted | That's the general concensus. |
| 22:53.38 | Guillotine | I just don't like how the star symbols are all over the names |
| 22:53.49 | Qzot|distracted | Those are gone. |
| 22:53.55 | Guillotine | oh. havn't tried it in a while |
| 22:54.02 | Guillotine | are the names gone from over the portraits? |
| 22:54.03 | Qzot|distracted | Don't try now. |
| 22:54.22 | Qzot|distracted | I'm about to re-release. A lot more customizability. |
| 22:54.25 | Guillotine | nice |
| 22:54.32 | Qzot|distracted | Actually, willing to test drive before I release? |
| 22:54.52 | Qzot|distracted | I can pretty much guarantee folding in your suggestions. |
| 22:55.05 | Shouryuu | I really like the weak cultural allusions in Anime |
| 22:55.07 | Guillotine | absolutely |
| 22:55.38 | Qzot|distracted | email addy? |
| 22:55.38 | Guillotine | use guillotine@wowguru.com |
| 22:55.38 | Qzot|distracted | Or I can publish mine here, and you can send me an addy. |
| 22:55.57 | Qzot|distracted | Hold on. I'll zip it up and send it right now. There is minor clean-up undone you'll have to tolerate. |
| 22:56.02 | Guillotine | speaking of which zeeg, I'm working on a really big article for the weekly column which is why I havn't had one recently |
| 22:56.38 | Guillotine | yay for full tutorial on making an addon! |
| 23:00.37 | Qzot|distracted | Guillotine: Sent. |
| 23:00.46 | Guillotine | k :) |
| 23:01.47 | Qzot|distracted | There's currently extra logging stuff, no good means to display the current configuration, and no good help info. But '/popa layout' should help. |
| 23:02.57 | Qzot|distracted | Guillotine: After further thought, the short version is... |
| 23:03.17 | Qzot|distracted | Guillotine: Configuration is there. Instruction on how to configure are sorely lacking. :D |
| 23:03.18 | Guillotine | oh. no wonder i thought it took so long. it went into my junk email folder... |
| 23:03.29 | Qzot|distracted | -.- |
| 23:03.42 | Qzot|distracted | Yet another viewpoint shared by a few people. |
| 23:04.27 | Guillotine | haha |
| 23:06.01 | Miravlix | Anyone know the Ultima Online bagball game? |
| 23:06.16 | Miravlix | I was thinking we could make a addon to play the game WoW style |
| 23:06.29 | Miravlix | If someone hits you you throw the ball to them |
| 23:07.12 | Miravlix | Would be a game for Gurbashi Arena |
| 23:08.50 | Qzot|distracted | Just command line until 1.10. |
| 23:08.51 | Miravlix | Except 1.10 kill all the ways we can throw the ball in 1.10. :p |
| 23:09.12 | Qzot|distracted | Sorry. |
| 23:09.42 | Guillotine | qzot: how do I access the command line? |
| 23:09.52 | Guillotine | just use /script variable = something? |
| 23:10.02 | Qzot|distracted | The data structure I use to drive the command lines is actually designed for driving the command line. |
| 23:10.19 | Qzot|distracted | For what you're interested in, try '/partyaims layout' |
| 23:10.32 | Guillotine | I did. it just gives me a list of variables though |
| 23:10.40 | Qzot|distracted | The general way to set stuff is... |
| 23:11.08 | Qzot|distracted | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.21 | Qzot|distracted | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.29 | Guillotine | ahh. ok |
| 23:11.41 | Qzot|distracted | This is crufty, and I know it, but will have a gui in 1.10. |
| 23:11.57 | Qzot|distracted | One other salient point: |
| 23:12.31 | Qzot|distracted | Layouts are configured separately for: soloing, soloing with pet, in 5 man party, in small raid, and in big raid. |
| 23:12.41 | Guillotine | suggestion: add an unlock feature to drag it with the mouse. not too hard, but very handy |
| 23:12.54 | *** join/#wowi-lounge zeetg (n=wguru@63.147.183.47) |
| 23:13.11 | Qzot|distracted | Yeah. Would require putting it all in one frame. Which it currently isn't. |
| 23:13.49 | Qzot|distracted | Oh, yeah. Disabling friendly targets isn't working yet. |
| 23:15.15 | Guillotine | ok. I am completely unable to move it so its squished against the top of the screen |
| 23:15.44 | Qzot|distracted | ?? |
| 23:16.02 | Qzot|distracted | It's not adjusting itself according to the placement of your target frame? |
| 23:16.08 | Guillotine | nope |
| 23:16.14 | Guillotine | could be b/c I'm using discord |
| 23:16.16 | Guillotine | and not the normal frames |
| 23:16.35 | Qzot|distracted | Hmm. Okay. I'll have to make it so you can move it. :( |
| 23:16.57 | Qzot|distracted | Or detect discord. :( |
| 23:18.28 | Guillotine | just make it draggable |
| 23:18.56 | Qzot|distracted | I can do that. Requires a major restructure of how I do things before I can do that, tho. |
| 23:19.46 | Qzot|distracted | And possibly some work so that clicking on the exterior frame doesn't interfere with clicking on the background or other overlapping windows. |
| 23:21.05 | Guillotine | can't you just do it like currently but make each frame relative to the one to its left? |
| 23:21.30 | Guillotine | and make the furthest left frame draggable when you do /partyaims unlock |
| 23:21.47 | Qzot|distracted | There is no furthest left frame. :( That's the games target frame. |
| 23:22.48 | Qzot|distracted | Each nameplate is relative to the thing it's targeting. Not relative to each other. Each extra target is relative to the previous target. Hmm. I could easily make the *first* extra target draggable. |
| 23:23.20 | Qzot|distracted | No, that wouldn't handle the offsets on the first one. |
| 23:24.10 | Qzot|distracted | Hmm. Hrm. Haw. |
| 23:24.18 | Qzot|distracted | I think I've got it. |
| 23:25.27 | Qzot|distracted | For feedback during dragging, would it be sufficient if whatever nameplace/target you grabbed was the only one to move, until you released? |
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| 23:28.46 | Shouryuu | night |
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| 23:54.31 | Tain | Just the mental image of this made me laugh out loud. |
| 23:54.33 | Tain | "I want to hide the Minimap and its background, and shift my buffs/debuffs up, say 200 pixels. However, since I have the function in an OnUpdate, whenever I go into/leave combat the script constantly shifts the frame on each update so it flies completely off-screen." |
