| 00:00.05 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Parak (n=profi@user-0cev737.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 00:01.51 | cladhaire | =) |
| 00:02.23 | cladhaire | Can you give me one that tells me which quadrant the overlap is occuring in? =) |
| 00:03.05 | Iriel | It could be more than one |
| 00:03.21 | cladhaire | That's sooo much prettier than I had =) |
| 00:03.35 | cladhaire | Iriel: I'm trying to make sticky edges for any two given frames.. =/ |
| 00:03.37 | cladhaire | and the math is eluding me. |
| 00:03.37 | sweede | in my xml file, i would have an <OnLick>IAS_StartAuction(ItemName,parentItemPrice:GetText(),nil)</OnClick> in my "Ok" button right ? (ItemPrice is the name of the editbox) |
| 00:04.14 | Codayus | OnClick - not OnLick. :-) |
| 00:04.32 | sweede | heh, you're not in myu guild :X w00t |
| 00:04.43 | Codayus | I can't help you with your question though. :-) |
| 00:04.44 | Iriel | sweed err, something along those lines, you'd need to get ItemName from somewhere, I'd suggest this.ItemName, and make sure you set it before you show the frame |
| 00:04.51 | sweede | yes i know that made no sense :) |
| 00:05.26 | Iriel | cladhaire so you have 2 frames, and you want to know which quadrant(s) of one are covered by the other? |
| 00:05.48 | cladhaire | I'm not even sure that gets me what I want |
| 00:05.57 | Iriel | Well, what do you want 8-) |
| 00:06.03 | sweede | is this right though? parentItemPrice:GetText() or would i use something else ? |
| 00:06.18 | Iriel | Well, if parentItemPrice is the name of your edit box, that would work |
| 00:06.35 | Iriel | You might want to check it iis actually a number too |
| 00:06.41 | Iriel | but you can do that in StartAuction if you want |
| 00:07.38 | cladhaire | Iriel: I want, for any two given frames, when frame A drags, if it doesn't collide with frame B it is able to move freely. If if collides with Frame B.. it sticks to the edge of Frame B-- so users can manually align the frames, without having to guess |
| 00:08.28 | cladhaire | I'm trying to work on the logic for which edge it sticks to, and how it decides to, say hop from the top edge to the bottom edge- but my mind is working slowly.. I need to revisit my Geo books =) |
| 00:09.11 | Iriel | I would say that you simply work out which side of B's center A's center is at |
| 00:09.24 | Iriel | or at least, would be at if allowed to slide freely |
| 00:09.41 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 00:09.51 | cladhaire | that's where I'm going.. but I'm concerned with the corners, and how to handle them well |
| 00:10.10 | cladhaire | I suppose it should be whichever is closest to the center.. but i'll have to play with it to see how it feels. |
| 00:10.46 | Iriel | Well, do you want any corner stickiness or not? |
| 00:11.14 | Iriel | or is the stickiness strictly on the sides? |
| 00:11.21 | cladhaire | sides |
| 00:11.41 | Iriel | But you will want to go from say LEFT to TOP ? |
| 00:11.57 | cladhaire | I dont want to go too nuts.. just want to make it so people can arrange themselves intelligently-- even if i provide a good setup. |
| 00:12.24 | cladhaire | It doesn't need to be extreme.. just say 5 pixels or so on the inside of each edge. |
| 00:13.12 | Iriel | Here's what I suggest then, calculate A's center relative to B's center, such that 0,0 is exact center, -1,0 is left 1,0 is right, 0,-1 is bottom, 0,1 is top |
| 00:13.14 | Tem | Iriel, in java does || return a boolean or does it return the actual value given to it like in Lua? |
| 00:13.21 | Iriel | Tem; Boolean |
| 00:13.25 | Tem | bah |
| 00:13.36 | cladhaire | Already have that coded =) |
| 00:13.41 | Iriel | Tem: the ? : operator is about as close as you get |
| 00:14.12 | Tem | but I forgot about ? : |
| 00:14.17 | Tem | thanks |
| 00:14.46 | Iriel | cladhaire : So i'd say, if something's further than 0.75 from the center, it is at an edge, |
| 00:15.00 | Iriel | if both are 0.75 out, then keep it where it is (assuming it's already against one of those edges) |
| 00:15.40 | Iriel | Does that make any sense? |
| 00:15.45 | cladhaire | Completely. |
| 00:15.55 | cladhaire | Visualizes what my sketches kinda say.. but more succinct =) |
| 00:16.16 | cladhaire | I've been playing with floating squares for the past hour or so just messing around =) |
| 00:16.23 | *** join/#wowi-lounge sweede2 (n=sweede@c-71-194-83-65.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 00:16.29 | sweede2 | stupid computer. |
| 00:17.29 | sweede2 | Attempt to index global "parentInfo' a nil value, i'm using parentInfo:GetText() and the item name is set in that fontstring element. |
| 00:17.58 | Iriel | Well, is it "$parentInfo" in the name? |
| 00:18.06 | sweede2 | ya |
| 00:18.07 | Iriel | if so, you have to replace "$parent" with the right name, to get to it in lua |
| 00:18.13 | Iriel | so BlahBlahBlahInfo |
| 00:18.21 | Iriel | if the parent's name is 'BlahBlahBlah" |
| 00:18.29 | sweede2 | thought there'd be a parent: or something else styule.. |
| 00:18.54 | Iriel | well, you can do this:GetParent():GetName() etc, but that's messy |
| 00:19.23 | sweede2 | ya, but it'd be easier to do when i start changing names around |
| 00:20.11 | Iriel | If you ARE going to start doing that, then do it once at load, and store the results somewhere |
| 00:20.16 | Iriel | either like this: |
| 00:20.29 | Iriel | local name = this:GetName(); |
| 00:20.37 | Iriel | this.editBox = getglobal(name .. "EditBox"); |
| 00:20.39 | Iriel | (in the parent) |
| 00:20.47 | Iriel | or |
| 00:20.54 | Iriel | Whatever_Blah_EditBox = this; |
| 00:20.58 | Iriel | In the edit box itself |
| 00:21.03 | Iriel | then you dont need to know the name |
| 00:21.21 | sweede2 | hmm.. |
| 00:21.38 | sweede2 | i think what i'll do.. is just pay one of you guys that know how to code, to streamline this :) hehe |
| 00:22.02 | sweede2 | one more question, is it possible to force only numbers to be entered in an edit box ? |
| 00:22.05 | Iriel | You couldn't afford me 8-) |
| 00:22.24 | Kremonte | anyone here mind helping me out with some hardware problems? :Q |
| 00:22.50 | Iriel | I think you can sort of simulate it by intercepting every key press and dropping non-numbers |
| 00:22.58 | Iriel | Kremonte : What kind of hardware problems? |
| 00:23.16 | Kremonte | i just got me new hardware, and my problem here is specifically my motherboard; http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/13-128-250-10.JPG |
| 00:23.33 | Kremonte | there's only one main IDE slot, and i have 4 IDE devices |
| 00:24.02 | Kremonte | the 2 green things on the left are IDE-compatible, supposedly, and my 3rdHD and DVD drive fit into that, but it's reading them as ATA |
| 00:24.24 | Iriel | IDE and ATA aren |
| 00:24.29 | Iriel | aren't necessarily different |
| 00:24.44 | Kremonte | yes, but linux won't boot as it's on the 3rd HD, and it's saying hdc1 is not found |
| 00:24.57 | Iriel | Well, is that because it's numbered differently? |
| 00:25.02 | Iriel | What controllers do they show up as? |
| 00:25.03 | sweede2 | .. |
| 00:25.11 | Kremonte | where could i find that? :S |
| 00:25.16 | Kremonte | i can't find anything about them on my BIOS |
| 00:25.28 | Kremonte | it's just showing my first 2 HD's (which won't boot at all because windows is on em) |
| 00:25.38 | Iriel | do ls /proc/ide |
| 00:25.43 | Iriel | and see what shows up |
| 00:25.56 | Kremonte | linux won't boot up, it's on hdc1 :Q |
| 00:25.57 | Iriel | I'm assuming you can get linux booted 8-) |
| 00:26.06 | Kremonte | i'll see how far i can get, give me a sec |
| 00:26.09 | Kremonte | it stops at a # prompt |
| 00:26.11 | sweede2 | whats your bootloader ? |
| 00:26.11 | Iriel | Hm, do you have a live CD anywhere (Knoppix live is handy) |
| 00:26.14 | Kremonte | GRUB |
| 00:26.17 | Iriel | Ah, if it stops there you've got hope |
| 00:26.22 | Iriel | it's probably booting but then stalling out. |
| 00:26.27 | Kremonte | yeah, i'll see what i gcan get to in a sec |
| 00:26.34 | Kremonte | i have GRUB on my windows MBR |
| 00:26.38 | Kremonte | and 15 ubuntu livecd's :P |
| 00:26.41 | sweede2 | o.. |
| 00:26.51 | Iriel | I have to say I've sworn off Gigabyte mobos myself |
| 00:26.55 | sweede2 | whats your partition layout ? |
| 00:27.06 | Iriel | I've still got 2 active in here, but i'll replace them eventually |
| 00:27.08 | sweede2 | is /dev/hdc1 your / ? |
| 00:27.11 | Kremonte | hda windows, hdb NTFS bunch o files |
| 00:27.14 | Kremonte | dev/hdc1 is / yes |
| 00:27.30 | Kremonte | okay, heres what it sas |
| 00:27.49 | Kremonte | ALERT! /dev/hdc1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell! |
| 00:28.00 | Iriel | ok |
| 00:28.14 | Kremonte | ls /proc/ide is |
| 00:28.17 | Iriel | does ls /proc/ide show anything? |
| 00:28.20 | Kremonte | drivers ide0 hda hdb |
| 00:28.26 | sweede2 | \ |
| 00:28.30 | sweede2 | no ide1 / |
| 00:28.32 | sweede2 | ? |
| 00:28.33 | Iriel | Ok, that's a start |
| 00:28.34 | Kremonte | nope |
| 00:28.40 | Iriel | So linux isn't seeing your secondary controller |
| 00:28.43 | Iriel | Does windows see it? |
| 00:28.53 | Iriel | Is it turned on in the BIOS in a sane configuration? |
| 00:28.53 | Kremonte | windows doesn't boot at all; too much new hardware |
| 00:28.58 | sweede2 | lol |
| 00:29.03 | Iriel | (non-raid, and active) |
| 00:29.05 | sweede2 | i'd blame grub |
| 00:29.10 | Iriel | I wouldn't |
| 00:29.11 | Kremonte | what my goal is is to get linux working, backup my important windows stuff, and never use windows again |
| 00:29.15 | Kremonte | grub is not to blame, sweede2 |
| 00:29.24 | Kremonte | what, in the BIOS? |
| 00:29.27 | Iriel | Check the BIOS, make sure the alternate IDE interfaces are running |
| 00:29.30 | Iriel | yes |
| 00:29.35 | sweede2 | actually, according to the linux devs, grub is to blame :) |
| 00:29.38 | Iriel | Or one of the BIOS-Like things |
| 00:29.39 | Kremonte | lopl |
| 00:29.49 | Kremonte | o noes, kernel panic |
| 00:29.55 | Kremonte | cold reboot GO! |
| 00:30.06 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.10 | Iriel | it's not like a cold reboot hurts, you have no drive |
| 00:30.14 | Kremonte | lol :P |
| 00:30.24 | Kremonte | ok, where would i go on the bios ._. |
| 00:30.39 | sweede2 | because the kernel devs decided that what the bios reports for disk geometry is made up, but every other disk utility uses what the kernel reports, so it makes those changes to the disk, which in turn royally screws over your disk geometry. |
| 00:30.46 | Kremonte | letsssee |
| 00:31.01 | Iriel | Kremonte : I dunno, I usually just stumble around |
| 00:31.02 | Kremonte | nothing on standard cmos stuff |
| 00:31.16 | Kremonte | cant really see anything on advanced bios stuff |
| 00:31.27 | Iriel | sweede2 : It's almost certainly not a geometry issue, it's a drive controller issue, and I suspect BIOS related |
| 00:31.43 | sweede2 | i wouldnt, i'd say kernel modules arent being loaded correctly, if it all. |
| 00:31.47 | Iriel | Well, my I boot by GigaByte machines, I sometimes get several sets of bios-like setups, you have to find the one that relates to whatever those controllers go to |
| 00:31.49 | sweede2 | or its the wrong driver |
| 00:31.56 | Kremonte | ok, found somethin |
| 00:32.03 | Iriel | Well, if he hasn't got the right controllers compiled into his kernel, hes in trouble |
| 00:32.10 | Kremonte | there's PATA IDE set to, SATA port 0/2 and 1/3 set too which is what i THINK |
| 00:32.13 | Kremonte | it is |
| 00:32.14 | Kremonte | but, |
| 00:32.23 | Kremonte | its grayed out |
| 00:33.25 | sweede2 | .. now, is it justme, or does what you type make it seem like that you cant use both the IDE AND the SATA controllers ? |
| 00:33.29 | sweede2 | at the same time |
| 00:33.40 | Iriel | That's possible |
| 00:33.50 | sweede2 | wow, that'd suck. |
| 00:33.56 | Kremonte | look, i'm hardware retarded. i dont know anything about sata and ata and ide and whatever, and didnt understand half that sentence |
| 00:33.57 | Kremonte | ._.; |
| 00:34.08 | Kremonte | well, in another stage of the bios it detects the two drives |
| 00:34.09 | sweede2 | my MB supports 8 SATA drives and 2 standard IDE interfaces :) |
| 00:34.20 | Iriel | Yes, it's finding hda and hdb |
| 00:34.24 | sweede2 | dont you have 3 hard drives ? |
| 00:34.32 | Kremonte | 3hd's and a dvd drive |
| 00:34.51 | Iriel | What BIOS version do you have running? |
| 00:35.07 | Kremonte | one sec, trying something |
| 00:36.07 | Kremonte | that didnt work :Q |
| 00:36.20 | Iriel | Are you on F5 or earlier? |
| 00:36.33 | Iriel | Bios version, that is? |
| 00:36.50 | Kremonte | loading into ios |
| 00:37.01 | Iriel | Someone on a forum online claims that F6 adds "ON CHIP SECONDARY PCI IDE" under "INTEGRATED PERIPHERALS" |
| 00:37.07 | Iriel | Though you may have it there already? |
| 00:37.23 | Kremonte | yea its there |
| 00:37.25 | Kremonte | its enabled |
| 00:37.56 | Iriel | Is there anything right after it about the ide interface? |
| 00:38.22 | Kremonte | there is On-Chip Secondary PCI IDE, On-Chip SATA Mode |
| 00:38.44 | Kremonte | under that, grayed out is, PATA IDE Set to, SATA Port0/2 Set to, SATA Port1/3 Set to |
| 00:39.04 | Iriel | Hm, let me grab a manual for your mobo |
| 00:39.05 | Iriel | one sec |
| 00:39.49 | zeetg | guys, recommend a good MMO, thats not real high end |
| 00:39.49 | Iriel | WoW ? |
| 00:39.53 | zeetg | thats high-end :) |
| 00:39.55 | zeetg | imo |
| 00:39.55 | sweede2 | lol |
| 00:39.56 | Kremonte | lol |
| 00:39.58 | Iriel | define 'high-end' ? |
| 00:40.01 | zeetg | im talking a bit older |
| 00:40.06 | sweede2 | there's other Mmo's ? |
| 00:40.06 | zeetg | also, anyone know if l2 has player housing |
| 00:40.07 | Iriel | Hm, CoH? |
| 00:40.07 | Kremonte | now there's also, after the first screen, VIA Tech. RAID BIOS Ver 4.80. |
| 00:40.12 | Iriel | SWG? |
| 00:40.14 | zeetg | nah dont like coh |
| 00:40.14 | Kremonte | this has my 3rd HD |
| 00:40.16 | zeetg | got bored w/ swg |
| 00:40.17 | zeetg | :P |
| 00:40.23 | Iriel | Ah, can you go into that then |
| 00:40.25 | Codayus | AO? |
| 00:40.27 | Iriel | and see what you can set up there? |
| 00:40.28 | Kremonte | i am there |
| 00:40.30 | Iriel | Oh yes, AO |
| 00:40.32 | Kremonte | but i cant do anything |
| 00:40.34 | zeetg | ao doesnt work good on my friends pc, even if it's high end |
| 00:40.45 | Codayus | AO is decent...free to try. Has some good ideas. Old tech. |
| 00:41.11 | Iriel | There's EvE Online too |
| 00:41.16 | Iriel | if you want a different style of MMO |
| 00:41.35 | Codayus | I could never get into eve... |
| 00:41.49 | Legorol | i'd love to try EVE... pity they don't have free trial |
| 00:41.55 | zeetg | eves not bad |
| 00:41.57 | Legorol | or if they do, point me in the direction! |
| 00:41.57 | zeetg | but, nah |
| 00:41.58 | zeetg | :P |
| 00:41.58 | Shadowd | It's okay |
| 00:42.05 | Iriel | They certainly DID have a free trial |
| 00:42.07 | Iriel | I think they still do |
| 00:42.08 | Codayus | Not sure if it just isn't my kind of game - although it sounded like it - or if it was the tutorial/learning curve. |
| 00:42.13 | Iriel | It's very brutal |
| 00:42.16 | zeetg | url eveonline.com |
| 00:42.16 | Codayus | Yeah, they had one...thought they still did. |
| 00:42.26 | Iriel | They re-did the tutorial not so long ago too |
| 00:42.28 | Shadowd | Takes forever to get to places, not really a fan of the combat system either not enough control |
| 00:42.31 | Iriel | Kremonte : Ok, go back to your BIOS |
| 00:42.34 | Legorol | Iriel, i looked on their site and couldn't find one, but if you happen to come across a free trial page for EVE, do linkie please |
| 00:42.40 | zeetg | ok, next game? :) |
| 00:42.43 | Kremonte | done |
| 00:42.58 | Legorol | well the only MMO I play is WoW UI modding |
| 00:43.01 | Iriel | Kremonte : Integrated peripherals, what is 'Onboard RAID' set to? |
| 00:43.05 | Cairenn | well, let's see here ... google search, "Eve Online", very first link ... "Eve Online Free Trial": http://www.google.ca/url?sa=l&ai=BHNlfYFb-Q4bwD6eI-QHDn6CxD9PRnBGjzpfkAd_g-hTg1AMIABABGAEgtlRAzBBImTlQ6uHZ7Pj_____AZgB02yqARpvcmcubW96aWxsYTplbi1VUzpvZmZpY2lhbMgBAZUCDcY-Cg&q=https://secure.eve-online.com/ft/%3Faid%3D100972%26nogreet%3D1 |
| 00:43.05 | zeetg | http://www.gamershell.com/news/17215.html |
| 00:43.11 | Codayus | ATITD is a good game....very very different. Very low specs. |
| 00:43.13 | zeetg | oh |
| 00:43.14 | zeetg | lol |
| 00:43.14 | zeetg | thats old |
| 00:43.20 | Legorol | it's massive undertaking sometimes (with the stupid bugs) |
| 00:43.26 | Legorol | it's multiplayer, see how many of us are in here |
| 00:43.29 | Legorol | and it's certainly done online |
| 00:43.32 | zeetg | haha it still works |
| 00:43.36 | zeetg | click that Legorol |
| 00:43.41 | Kremonte | wth, onchip secondary pci ide disappeared... Onboard H/W RAID is enabled |
| 00:43.50 | Legorol | wow, Cairenn |
| 00:44.00 | Legorol | i swear there is no direct link to that page anywhere on eve's page itself |
| 00:44.03 | Legorol | or if there is, i didn't find it |
| 00:44.03 | Cairenn | Legorol: ? |
| 00:44.10 | Iriel | Disable that |
| 00:44.12 | Iriel | (RAID) |
| 00:44.14 | Iriel | and reboot |
| 00:44.24 | Iriel | Legorol: I'll set you up with the free trial |
| 00:44.24 | Kremonte | kk |
| 00:44.31 | Iriel | Legorol : /msg me your preferred email |
| 00:44.37 | zeetg | Legorol, or click the link i gave :s |
| 00:44.39 | Kremonte | grub error 21...grr |
| 00:44.40 | Kremonte | one sec |
| 00:44.44 | zeetg | ok, any other mmos |
| 00:44.46 | zeetg | UO was a lot of fun |
| 00:44.51 | Cairenn | EQ :p |
| 00:44.52 | zeetg | does anyone know if lineage2 has player housing |
| 00:44.54 | Iriel | Anyone else who wants one, let me know too. |
| 00:44.55 | Kremonte | resetting BIOS, i might have screwed it up |
| 00:44.55 | zeetg | i hated eq |
| 00:45.25 | Iriel | GuildWars is a non-MMO that feels kinda like one sometimes, you may try that too |
| 00:45.34 | Legorol | Iriel, i will try the ones the others linked first, so i don't exhaust your resources |
| 00:45.45 | Legorol | i'd love to try GuildWars too, anyone know a free trial for that one :D |
| 00:45.47 | Iriel | This is their buddy system |
| 00:45.50 | Codayus | EQ doesn't have a trial, does it? |
| 00:45.53 | Iriel | I have a paid account for EvE |
| 00:46.13 | Iriel | I can send anyone who wants one a 14 day trial key for Eve |
| 00:46.22 | Iriel | (Do I actually PLAY it at the moment, no.) |
| 00:46.50 | Codayus | heh |
| 00:47.27 | Kremonte | yeah, iriel, disabling RAID gives me a grub error (21) |
| 00:47.31 | zeetg | i didnt like guild wars |
| 00:47.35 | zeetg | we're gonna play eve |
| 00:48.13 | zeetg | Iriel |
| 00:48.16 | zeetg | can you send me one too i guess |
| 00:48.18 | zeetg | dcramer@gmail.com |
| 00:48.47 | Iriel | Sent |
| 00:49.06 | zeetg | hrm |
| 00:49.14 | zeetg | hopefully i can remember *my* username or i might have to restart |
| 00:49.31 | Legorol | Iriel: but how many of those keys have you got.. |
| 00:49.39 | Legorol | if you just have a finite number, don't waste it on me |
| 00:49.42 | Iriel | I think infinite, I have no idea 8-) |
| 00:50.00 | Legorol | conversely, if you get some in-game benefit or other benefit from sending one, then i'm game :D |
| 00:50.34 | Iriel | I have no idea there either, other than of course potentially increasing the world population 8-) |
| 00:53.09 | zeetg | ugh |
| 00:53.11 | Iriel | I've only hopelessly addicted one person, so far, to EvE |
| 00:53.16 | zeetg | Iriel, wanna send me one more, i cant find my account info |
| 00:53.24 | zeetg | that makes me sad |
| 00:53.26 | zeetg | i had nice stuff |
| 00:53.28 | Iriel | Sure, give me an email (lego, you too, so I can send both together) |
| 00:53.37 | zeetg | zeeg@wowguru.com works |
| 00:53.55 | Legorol | Iriel: legorol@cosmosui.org |
| 00:54.16 | Iriel | Sent, sent. |
| 00:54.23 | Legorol | it looks like the link Cairenn got also allows unlimited free pass generation |
| 00:54.24 | zeetg | ty |
| 00:54.28 | Legorol | but i haven't received the email from that one yet |
| 00:54.31 | Legorol | thanks Iriel! |
| 00:54.37 | Legorol | now, for a fast download of the client... |
| 00:54.41 | Kremonte | ugh. this is not good, i'm trying to boot a liveCD, but the drive is on one ofthe supposed-ATA connectors |
| 00:55.00 | Iriel | Kremonte : Okay, one thing I have read is... |
| 00:55.15 | Iriel | You can ONLY put optical devices on the main IDE slot |
| 00:55.25 | Iriel | they dont work on IDE2/IDE3 |
| 00:55.28 | Kremonte | hm, wait |
| 00:55.28 | Iriel | (HD's work on both) |
| 00:55.29 | Kremonte | it just loaded |
| 00:55.37 | Kremonte | when i reset to optimized defaults |
| 00:55.46 | Kremonte | livecd booting linux :S |
| 00:56.07 | Iriel | Interesting |
| 00:56.30 | Kremonte | now linux can't detect the cdrom |
| 00:56.32 | Kremonte | even more wierd. |
| 00:56.38 | Kremonte | well, i guess ill change my layout |
| 00:57.13 | Legorol | now why doesn't Blizzard allow us to generate 10-day guest passes like that.. |
| 00:57.24 | Legorol | that'd be really cool, and i don't think it'd affect the economy ;-) |
| 00:58.01 | Iriel | Kremonte : Are you seeing IDE Channel 2 and IDE Channel 3 on the Standard CMOS page? |
| 00:58.06 | Kremonte | no :S |
| 00:58.19 | zeetg | Legorol, harass Anduin|Cowzzz to pass ont he msg, its a good idea |
| 00:58.51 | Iriel | Kremonte : On Integrated peripherals, what is On-chip SATA Mode set to? |
| 00:59.07 | Legorol | i can understand why Blizz doesn't want unlimited free trial access... they want to control the populations on the servers |
| 00:59.10 | Kremonte | uno secondo |
| 00:59.28 | Kremonte | new ide layout is freaking it out |
| 00:59.28 | Legorol | so they could give us the ability to generate a free trial key maybe once a week or month or whatever |
| 00:59.40 | Legorol | ok, i will return you to your hardware discussion ;-) |
| 01:00.48 | Kremonte | damn sound card ravaged my hand >< |
| 01:01.09 | Kremonte | this is very wierd |
| 01:01.16 | Kremonte | it wont load now |
| 01:01.30 | Legorol | Iriel, what is EvE online: Exodus? |
| 01:01.33 | Legorol | is it like an expansion? |
| 01:01.38 | Legorol | and is it included in the free trial? |
| 01:02.17 | Iriel | It's just the current 'version' |
| 01:02.32 | Iriel | They name their large updates |
| 01:02.47 | Iriel | There's a single universe (Well, one test one, one live one) |
| 01:03.05 | futrtrubl | you can tell I haven't really played WoW in a while, I have 31 talent points to distribute on my Pally |
| 01:03.10 | Kremonte | k now it does.. |
| 01:03.26 | Iriel | Now it does what, lists the other drives? |
| 01:03.26 | Kremonte | on chip SATA is set to auto |
| 01:03.49 | Iriel | okay, so it does appear to work the way that was suggested |
| 01:03.56 | Iriel | IDE2/IDE3 and the SATA channels are shared |
| 01:04.11 | Kremonte | ill see if the livecd works |
| 01:04.17 | Iriel | so, can you set set the appropriate IDE2/IDE3 devices on the main BIOS page? |
| 01:04.27 | Iriel | I.e. take them from [none] to [auto] |
| 01:04.32 | Kremonte | huh? |
| 01:04.42 | Iriel | Or did it identify them already? |
| 01:04.49 | Iriel | On your main bios page, when it lists IDE0/IDE2/IDE3 |
| 01:04.54 | Kremonte | yes |
| 01:04.55 | Iriel | does it list all your drives? |
| 01:05.01 | Kremonte | only the ones on the main IDE slot |
| 01:05.04 | Iriel | or did IDE2/IDE3 all say [none] ? |
| 01:05.12 | Kremonte | none |
| 01:05.14 | Iriel | Okay, can you go back there and change [none] to [auto] |
| 01:05.20 | Iriel | for 2 and 3 |
| 01:05.28 | Kremonte | there is no way to hange to auto |
| 01:05.29 | Iriel | (or at least, the ones you have drives attached to) |
| 01:05.33 | Legorol | remotely giving help with BIOS configuration, ouch.... good luck guys! |
| 01:05.52 | Legorol | is Kremonte at least chatting from the PC whose BIOS he is configuring? ;-) |
| 01:05.58 | Kremonte | lol no |
| 01:05.59 | Kremonte | ;p |
| 01:06.09 | Kremonte | if i go onto none it just lets me re-detect ide drives on that slot |
| 01:06.27 | Iriel | and if you re-detect on IDE2/IDE3, does it find any? |
| 01:06.41 | Kremonte | nope |
| 01:06.54 | Iriel | Is On-board raid still set to OFF? |
| 01:06.56 | zeetg | so no one knows if lineage 2 has playe rhousing? |
| 01:06.59 | Kremonte | no |
| 01:07.03 | Kremonte | should i re-set it to off? |
| 01:07.14 | Iriel | yes, please |
| 01:07.19 | Kremonte | k |
| 01:07.59 | Tem | god I love water to air |
| 01:08.05 | Kremonte | now what? :X |
| 01:08.11 | Kremonte | tem, water to air? wtf :X |
| 01:08.21 | Tem | 1: buy essense of water on the AH for 7g |
| 01:08.21 | Kremonte | how much are they on your server, water is always the ost expensive >< |
| 01:08.27 | Tem | 2: Transmute it to water |
| 01:08.33 | Tem | 3: Sell on the AH for 18g |
| 01:08.38 | Kremonte | water to wateR?!!?1/1 ;) |
| 01:08.42 | Tem | er |
| 01:08.48 | Kremonte | i know |
| 01:08.48 | Tem | transmute it to air** |
| 01:08.49 | Kremonte | :P |
| 01:09.06 | Iriel | Ok, Kremonte: Are IDE2 IDE3 changeable now? |
| 01:09.19 | Kremonte | no |
| 01:09.33 | Iriel | And if not, can you save your settings, then power off, wait 30 seconds, and power on the machine? |
| 01:09.48 | Kremonte | kk |
| 01:10.17 | Kremonte | going to bios when i power on i presume? |
| 01:10.27 | Iriel | yup |
| 01:11.18 | Kremonte | still cant detect drives |
| 01:11.39 | zespri | actually I don't see anything on the front page of the korean sites that ressembles the patch notes. but then again I don;t read korean... |
| 01:11.50 | Iriel | Ok, have you connected any cable to the "USB Over Current pin in the Front USB Panel" ?? |
| 01:12.15 | Kremonte | i have nothing plugged into the front of the case |
| 01:13.11 | Iriel | So, where we're at now is that Standard CMOS features lists the channels, but cannot find the drives, even when asked to? |
| 01:13.23 | Kremonte | yup. |
| 01:13.36 | Legorol | hard disk failure.. |
| 01:13.48 | Kremonte | no? |
| 01:13.49 | Kremonte | lol. |
| 01:13.54 | Kremonte | they work fine |
| 01:14.00 | Kremonte | just not with this otherboard |
| 01:14.09 | Legorol | what mobo would that be |
| 01:14.18 | Legorol | ok, i got curious now, mind if i jump into the brainstorm? |
| 01:14.20 | Cairenn | zespri: heh, me either |
| 01:14.34 | Iriel | Kremonte: Well, since we're in "play with bios settings" mode, try setting On-Chip SATA Mode to 'Enhanced' |
| 01:14.39 | Kremonte | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128250#DetailSpecs |
| 01:14.51 | Iriel | These descriptions are so vague it's hard to tell what they actually mean |
| 01:15.03 | Kremonte | still cant detect anything |
| 01:15.14 | Legorol | i have a link to a site with descriptions of hundreds of BIOS settings, maybe that'd help? i'll get the link |
| 01:15.28 | zespri | so, Cairenn I wonder where erps got this carzy idea of the patch notes on the korean site |
| 01:15.32 | Iriel | Legorol : I have the manual for THAT motherboard in front of me |
| 01:15.51 | Legorol | yah, but mobo manuals don't say much about what settings do normally .. |
| 01:15.56 | Legorol | *shrug* |
| 01:15.56 | Legorol | http://www.rojakpot.com/freebog.aspx?sort=cat#here |
| 01:16.02 | Cairenn | zespri: dunno ... wonder if he is still awake, to ask him |
| 01:16.17 | zespri | germany... they are fast a sleep at this time |
| 01:17.28 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 01:18.23 | Kremonte | ugh this sucks |
| 01:18.27 | Kremonte | so much for it working |
| 01:18.47 | Iriel | Kremonte : Well, let's go through the other On-Chip SATA options, and see which affect the listing on the front page |
| 01:18.59 | Kremonte | the listing does not change, though=/ |
| 01:19.03 | Legorol | Iriel and Kremonte, i don't mean to be a nuisance, do you mind if i join in.. |
| 01:19.03 | Iriel | Kremonte : Try 'Disabled', 'Combined' and 'Non-Combined' |
| 01:19.11 | Kremonte | k then :Q |
| 01:19.37 | Iriel | Legorol : Sure, the problem is getting the extra 2 on-board IDE channels to fire up |
| 01:19.50 | Iriel | Legorol : We know the drives are good, because they show up in the 'Raid utility' later |
| 01:19.55 | Legorol | ok |
| 01:20.19 | Kremonte | combined showed ide 1master/slave on the main bootup |
| 01:20.20 | Legorol | are you actually trying to have them in a RAID? |
| 01:20.22 | Iriel | The MoBo seems to do some strange sharing of resources between SATA and IDE2/IDE3 |
| 01:20.23 | Kremonte | but |
| 01:20.26 | Kremonte | they were blank. |
| 01:20.45 | Iriel | Kremonte : Ok.. and Non-Combined? |
| 01:20.49 | Kremonte | trying noew |
| 01:20.54 | Iriel | Legorol : No, not raid, just normal |
| 01:21.13 | Kremonte | non combined showed no hdd's, lol |
| 01:21.23 | Iriel | And 'Disabled' ? |
| 01:21.28 | Kremonte | just showed ide0 |
| 01:22.09 | Iriel | so Auto shows all of the channels, but none of the others do, hm. |
| 01:22.48 | Kremonte | why must this be so complicated ; ; damn you gigabyte |
| 01:23.09 | Iriel | I'm really surprised it's THIS complicate. |
| 01:23.29 | Iriel | You're sure your drives are connected right, too? master only for theone, and master/slave for the 2? |
| 01:23.35 | Legorol | at the risk of slowing you down a little bit, could you list the complete set of devices you are trying to connect to the IDE and/or SATA connectors? |
| 01:23.41 | Kremonte | yes |
| 01:23.53 | Kremonte | 3 hard drives and a dvd drive? heh |
| 01:24.55 | Legorol | and they are all IDE? |
| 01:24.57 | Iriel | The only other thing I can suggest is using Q-Flash to flash your Bios to the most recent version (F8) unless it's already there |
| 01:25.00 | Kremonte | yes, lego |
| 01:27.20 | Kremonte | ugh, i'm on the verge of overnighting a new mobo |
| 01:27.43 | Iriel | On further googling, it appears that the only way you can get at those IDE controllers is via the raid drivers after boot |
| 01:27.53 | Kremonte | that wont let me do anything, tho |
| 01:27.58 | Kremonte | only key that works is "esc' |
| 01:28.28 | Iriel | yeah, I dont mean the BIOS level raid stuff |
| 01:28.32 | Iriel | I mean once you're booted into an O/S |
| 01:28.45 | Iriel | Unless you're actually planning on doing a RAID configuration |
| 01:28.50 | Kremonte | no, haha |
| 01:28.54 | Kremonte | i just want it like my old one >< |
| 01:30.08 | Iriel | Kremonte: Did yo uever tell me what BIOS revision you're on? |
| 01:30.49 | Kremonte | how do i find that :X |
| 01:31.18 | Kremonte | it just says CMOS Setup Utility - Copyright (C) 1984-2005 Award Software |
| 01:31.37 | Iriel | It should flash by on the way into the BIOS |
| 01:31.43 | Iriel | it'll be F<some number> |
| 01:32.38 | Kremonte | i dont see it anywhere :X |
| 01:32.43 | Iriel | Also, do you have a floppy drive attached to the machine |
| 01:32.48 | Kremonte | yes |
| 01:32.50 | Iriel | Do you have the mobo manual, if so, look at page 57 |
| 01:33.53 | Kremonte | sec |
| 01:34.34 | Kremonte | flash bios? |
| 01:35.22 | Iriel | At the bottom of that page is a picture |
| 01:35.22 | Iriel | showing where the BIOS revision shows up during boot |
| 01:35.38 | Kremonte | which manual are you looking at, link? |
| 01:35.55 | Iriel | manual_8i915g duo_e.pdf |
| 01:35.58 | Iriel | From the gigabyte site |
| 01:36.16 | Iriel | http://america.giga-byte.com/MotherBoard/FileList/Manual/manual_8i915g%20duo_e.pdf |
| 01:36.41 | Kremonte | ah was a different one |
| 01:36.43 | Kremonte | one sec |
| 01:38.48 | Kremonte | blah, firefox is going crazy on me |
| 01:39.09 | Legorol | Iriel and Kremonte, i read (most of) your conversation, and i have some ideas |
| 01:39.24 | Legorol | I'm not very familiar with linux, so i'd like to ask a question or two first |
| 01:39.36 | Legorol | when you do ls /proc/ide, and you get: ide0 hda hdb |
| 01:39.50 | Legorol | does that mean your machien is seeing a single IDE channel with two HDs connected to it? |
| 01:40.23 | Kremonte | hm iriel, it just says FA |
| 01:40.32 | Kremonte | yes legorol |
| 01:40.37 | Kremonte | as opposed to 2 ide channels |
| 01:40.39 | Legorol | can hdX stand for DVD drive as well, or does it stand for a hard disk strictly |
| 01:40.53 | Kremonte | only for a hard drive |
| 01:41.01 | Kremonte | i have hda hdb and hdc, and my dvd drive |
| 01:41.09 | Legorol | you have the DVD connected to the non-green connector, right? |
| 01:41.15 | Kremonte | right now yes |
| 01:41.16 | Kremonte | before it wasnt |
| 01:41.24 | Kremonte | right now i see just one HD, and the dvd drive |
| 01:41.29 | Kremonte | before i woul donly see the other 2 hd's |
| 01:41.35 | Legorol | ok, that makes sense |
| 01:41.48 | Legorol | the green connectors are powered by the onboard VIA chip |
| 01:41.54 | Kremonte | i just want this ATA connector to pretend its IDE...' |
| 01:41.54 | Legorol | your linux might need a driver for that? |
| 01:42.02 | Kremonte | the _BIOS_ won't read it |
| 01:42.03 | Legorol | ATA and IDE are pretty much the same thing |
| 01:42.12 | Kremonte | again, the bios itself won't read it |
| 01:42.13 | Legorol | why wouldn't the BIOS be reading it? |
| 01:42.22 | Kremonte | um, i don't know? |
| 01:42.28 | Kremonte | thats why im here |
| 01:42.48 | Legorol | from your mobo's manual, it seems that there is nothing in your BIOS that would list the devices connected to the green connectors |
| 01:42.57 | Legorol | do correct me if i misread it |
| 01:43.02 | Legorol | or if you have a different conclusion |
| 01:43.06 | Kremonte | i havent read the whole manual, i just opened it |
| 01:43.24 | Iriel | I didn't read it that way, but the implication from the things i'm finding on google, would imply that may be the case |
| 01:43.35 | Iriel | That in fact the bios will NEVER see it, and chance are you'll never be able to boot of it |
| 01:43.50 | Iriel | which then brings us to the question of... does linux even have drivers for the raid chip |
| 01:43.58 | Legorol | well you can boot off of it, if the VIA chip is configured correctly |
| 01:44.00 | Kremonte | i want to use windows as well, though. |
| 01:44.00 | Iriel | because obviously you could boot of a drive attached to IDE0 |
| 01:44.16 | Legorol | have you tried entering the VIA RAID setup portion, and disabling RAID support? |
| 01:44.18 | Kremonte | i want 2 bootable hdd's, and be able to boot from disc |
| 01:44.23 | Kremonte | i cant do anything on that, lego |
| 01:44.32 | Kremonte | on the VIA setup screen, i cant do anything |
| 01:45.14 | Legorol | but the hard disk do show up there, right? |
| 01:45.20 | Kremonte | yes |
| 01:45.27 | Iriel | Hey, Kremonte, is that a Rev 2.x Duo board? |
| 01:45.33 | Kremonte | 1.x |
| 01:45.36 | Kremonte | 1.1 |
| 01:46.39 | Legorol | Kremonte, could you go into your BIOS, go to Advanced BIOS Features, |
| 01:47.05 | Kremonte | yes? |
| 01:47.12 | Legorol | and go to hard disk boot priority |
| 01:47.21 | Kremonte | theres just the 1 HD |
| 01:47.36 | Legorol | you don't have any SCSI devices listed on there? |
| 01:48.05 | Kremonte | no |
| 01:48.41 | Legorol | ok, in the BIOS, in Integrated Peripherals, |
| 01:48.57 | Legorol | do you have Onboard H/W Raid set to Enabled? |
| 01:49.13 | Kremonte | right now, no |
| 01:49.17 | Legorol | then do |
| 01:49.51 | Legorol | save settings, reboot, re-enter bios |
| 01:49.58 | Legorol | that settings is misleading |
| 01:50.00 | Kremonte | it was enabled before |
| 01:50.05 | Kremonte | theres no difference |
| 01:50.12 | Legorol | although it says "raid", in practice it controls whether the green connectors are enabled or not |
| 01:50.16 | Legorol | let's take it one step at a time |
| 01:50.35 | Kremonte | in BIOS again |
| 01:50.40 | Legorol | ok, advanced setup, |
| 01:50.43 | Legorol | boot priority |
| 01:50.55 | Kremonte | now SCSI devices are there |
| 01:50.55 | Kremonte | wow |
| 01:50.58 | Kremonte | wth |
| 01:51.00 | Legorol | ok cool |
| 01:51.02 | Legorol | that's what you want |
| 01:51.22 | Legorol | the " Onboard H/W Raid" beig set to Disabled completely turns off the green connectors on your mobo |
| 01:51.35 | Kremonte | i see |
| 01:51.55 | Legorol | now, you should see two SCSI devices, they are the two hard disks connected to green connectors |
| 01:52.00 | Kremonte | yes |
| 01:52.16 | Iriel | Hm, progress? |
| 01:52.17 | Kremonte | i changed the boot priority so its as if they were as they were before, but it sitll can' tfind /dev/hdc1 in linux |
| 01:52.19 | Kremonte | a bit, perhaps |
| 01:52.26 | Legorol | Iriel: yes |
| 01:52.42 | Iriel | Well, boot into linux and see if you have any devices, if they're pretending to be scsi they may show up elsewhere |
| 01:52.46 | Legorol | ok Kremonte, does any of your Hard disks connected to the green connectors support booting? |
| 01:52.52 | Kremonte | yes |
| 01:53.02 | Kremonte | its booting as if the first hd on that is my first hd, as it was efore |
| 01:53.03 | Legorol | you can try setting that one to boot from in the priority thingy |
| 01:53.08 | Kremonte | (i changed boot priorities) |
| 01:53.11 | Legorol | ok |
| 01:53.15 | Legorol | how far do you get that way? |
| 01:53.27 | Kremonte | dont mistake me though, the first hd connected is bootable with linux |
| 01:53.32 | Kremonte | same as before |
| 01:53.37 | Kremonte | linux still doesnt find hdc |
| 01:53.42 | Legorol | wait wait |
| 01:53.51 | Legorol | i don't know what was before, so let's take it one step at a time |
| 01:54.07 | Legorol | one of your hard disks in green connector is bootable in principle, right? |
| 01:54.13 | Kremonte | yes |
| 01:54.15 | Legorol | and you set that one as the one to boot from? |
| 01:54.19 | Kremonte | yes |
| 01:54.22 | Kremonte | it has GRUB on it |
| 01:54.45 | Legorol | when your system boots, can you tell if it's really booting from that hard disk, or if it ends up booting from the one connected to the black connector? |
| 01:54.51 | Iriel | Lego, stop a minute |
| 01:54.54 | Legorol | ok |
| 01:54.59 | Iriel | His boot isn't set up that way |
| 01:55.13 | Iriel | He's booting one of the other drives, but his ROOT partition is on hdc |
| 01:55.24 | Iriel | the drive on IDE0 is actually booting though |
| 01:55.33 | Legorol | ok, and that's the bit i am confused about |
| 01:55.40 | Iriel | presumably there's a boot partition on that drive? kremonte? |
| 01:55.42 | Legorol | i asked him if a drive in the green connector is bootable, and he said yes |
| 01:55.46 | Kremonte | okay, let me reword |
| 01:56.01 | Kremonte | PREVIOUSLY, pre-new-motherboard, i had a configuration as follows |
| 01:56.29 | Kremonte | IDE0 master: windows w/ GRUB, booted from; IDE0 slave: ntfs files, IDE1 master: linux, root /hdc/ |
| 01:56.41 | Legorol | ok |
| 01:56.45 | Kremonte | right now, i have my old IDE1 master and DVD drive as IDE0 |
| 01:57.02 | Kremonte | and my old IDE0 stuff, ie windows w/ grub and files, are on the green connector (scsi i suppose) |
| 01:57.25 | Legorol | are you sure that's perfectly correct? |
| 01:57.25 | Kremonte | i changed it so it boots in that configuration, 1 - scsi0, 2 - scsi1, 3 ch0 m |
| 01:57.28 | Kremonte | yes |
| 01:57.38 | Legorol | the reason i am asking is that |
| 01:57.40 | Kremonte | i had AB CD, now its CD AB |
| 01:57.57 | Legorol | do you get as far as GRUB loading? |
| 01:58.01 | Kremonte | yes |
| 01:58.20 | Legorol | and since GRUB is on your old IDE0, which is now in a green connector, |
| 01:58.26 | Iriel | No, IDE0 isn't green |
| 01:58.28 | Iriel | IDE0 is red |
| 01:58.31 | Legorol | wait, Iriel |
| 01:58.41 | Legorol | he said he plugged his OLD ide0 into green |
| 01:58.45 | Kremonte | yes, i di |
| 01:58.46 | Kremonte | did* |
| 01:58.54 | Legorol | so grub is in a green |
| 01:59.06 | Iriel | oh, you're right. |
| 01:59.19 | Iriel | sorry (I'm confused how it's booting into linux at all then) |
| 01:59.20 | Legorol | so the computer does get as far as physically reading from the drives in green connector |
| 01:59.38 | Legorol | i don't know much about linux booting, so i don't know how it boots |
| 01:59.47 | Legorol | but here is my guess: |
| 01:59.58 | Iriel | I know how it boots |
| 02:00.05 | Legorol | ok, |
| 02:00.14 | Iriel | This changes a few things though |
| 02:00.18 | Legorol | do you think it's getting as far as starting to read from the drive in red connector? |
| 02:00.27 | Kremonte | i can draw a picture :D |
| 02:00.34 | Legorol | my suspicion is that his linux is missing the driver for the VIA controller (green connectors) |
| 02:00.40 | Iriel | The drive that used to be hdc, is that onw plugged into IDE0 ? |
| 02:00.46 | Kremonte | yes |
| 02:00.53 | Iriel | Well, that' swhy you can't find hdc then |
| 02:00.55 | Iriel | it's now hda |
| 02:00.57 | Kremonte | BUT |
| 02:01.00 | Kremonte | i changed boot priority |
| 02:01.03 | Kremonte | so now its as if its hdc |
| 02:01.05 | Iriel | That doesn't matter |
| 02:01.07 | Iriel | No, it's not |
| 02:01.09 | Kremonte | it worked before, when i had boot discrepancies |
| 02:01.14 | Iriel | boot priority has NOTHING TO DO with drive assignments in linux |
| 02:01.18 | Iriel | windows, yes |
| 02:01.22 | Kremonte | wierd, it did :X |
| 02:01.22 | Iriel | your boot drive is always C |
| 02:01.25 | Iriel | but not linux |
| 02:01.34 | Kremonte | i changed some priority in BIOS before, and it fixed locations |
| 02:01.37 | Legorol | ok, so does linux need to know the name of the drive? |
| 02:01.51 | Legorol | Iriel is correct, your Linux is on hda |
| 02:01.55 | Kremonte | yes, but all my configs are set to hdc |
| 02:02.02 | Kremonte | id essentially need a reformat =P |
| 02:02.05 | Iriel | that's not too hard to change |
| 02:02.06 | Legorol | you need to reconfigure it to hda |
| 02:02.08 | Iriel | no, you wouldn't |
| 02:02.12 | Kremonte | eh? |
| 02:02.21 | Kremonte | i know i would need to change grub (duh) |
| 02:02.28 | Iriel | You'd boot with a live disk, mount your drives, and change grub and fstab |
| 02:02.43 | Iriel | it's fiddly, but far less annoying that a complete rebuild |
| 02:02.50 | Kremonte | one sec |
| 02:02.56 | Legorol | Iriel, the prompt that Kremonte is getting, is that supplied by grub, or is that something being read off the (current) hda? |
| 02:03.07 | Kremonte | grub |
| 02:03.12 | Iriel | Well, no |
| 02:03.13 | Kremonte | my special GRUB-menu is there =P |
| 02:03.15 | Iriel | NNot the # prompt |
| 02:03.17 | Kremonte | i made an ascii cow on it |
| 02:03.25 | Iriel | Grub is booting linux |
| 02:03.28 | Iriel | (or at least was) |
| 02:03.34 | Kremonte | wait wait |
| 02:03.35 | Legorol | could it start booting it and fail half-way? |
| 02:03.37 | Kremonte | wierdness, |
| 02:03.40 | Iriel | yes |
| 02:03.50 | Iriel | the boot image isn't necessarily with the root partition |
| 02:03.50 | Kremonte | the grub-menu is on my linux drive, but grub boots from me MBR |
| 02:04.00 | Iriel | You have grub on more than one drive |
| 02:04.02 | Kremonte | i dont know if it is right now, though |
| 02:04.05 | Iriel | That is probably why we're so confused |
| 02:04.08 | Kremonte | yeah |
| 02:04.09 | Legorol | right |
| 02:04.26 | Legorol | that's one of the questions i asked, is there a way you can tell WHICH grub is being started? |
| 02:04.40 | Kremonte | wtf |
| 02:04.43 | Kremonte | i cant boot livecd now |
| 02:04.44 | Iriel | I dont kno wif grub tells you on the way 'up' |
| 02:04.52 | Kremonte | what the hell -_- |
| 02:04.53 | Iriel | You changed the boot order |
| 02:04.56 | Iriel | That's probably why |
| 02:04.57 | Legorol | so we are not 100% yet that it's actually reading the one in the green connector |
| 02:04.59 | Kremonte | k, sec |
| 02:05.12 | Iriel | I dont believe it's pulling any data from those drives |
| 02:05.22 | Legorol | changing the boot order will change which grub is being read, |
| 02:05.22 | Iriel | But at this point, it quite possibly doesn't have to |
| 02:05.27 | Legorol | but only if the driver is actually accessible |
| 02:05.34 | Iriel | Yes, more or less |
| 02:05.39 | Legorol | so from here, i can't tell which grub is being read |
| 02:05.43 | Iriel | depending on how helpful the BIOS is being |
| 02:05.52 | Legorol | is it possible that grub looks the same whether being read from hda or hdc? |
| 02:05.57 | Kremonte | if i dont get this working by the end of the night, i might just overnight a new mobo |
| 02:06.08 | Kremonte | grub needs the menu.lst file, lego |
| 02:06.12 | Kremonte | and thats on my linux partition |
| 02:06.13 | Iriel | grub probably doesn't care that much |
| 02:06.17 | Iriel | it finds devices differently |
| 02:06.23 | Legorol | Ok, i have a suggestion: for sake of non-confusion, from now, let's label the drives thusly: |
| 02:06.28 | Kremonte | i reset the order and it still doesnt find cdrom |
| 02:06.30 | Legorol | hda is the drive in red connector |
| 02:06.30 | Kremonte | wtf .. -_- |
| 02:06.35 | Legorol | hdb, hdc are the ones in green connectors |
| 02:06.42 | Legorol | since that's your current state, right? |
| 02:06.45 | Kremonte | yes |
| 02:06.50 | Legorol | ok |
| 02:06.56 | Legorol | then my question for you linux people is: |
| 02:07.11 | Legorol | when the computer boots and loads grub, is there any way you can tell if it had read grub from the MBR of hda or hdb? |
| 02:07.27 | Kremonte | i dont know |
| 02:07.28 | Kremonte | ugh |
| 02:07.31 | Kremonte | none of this is working |
| 02:07.31 | Kremonte | ffs |
| 02:08.07 | Iriel | Legorol: Not unless grub tells us, I dont think, though a process of elimination could probably figure it out. |
| 02:08.19 | Legorol | ok, i suggest: unplug hda, |
| 02:08.24 | Kremonte | i just want SOMETHING loading |
| 02:08.25 | Legorol | see if the computer gets as far as grub |
| 02:08.33 | Iriel | IDE0: hda hdb |
| 02:08.35 | Iriel | IDE1: hdc hdd |
| 02:08.38 | Iriel | IDE2: hde hdf |
| 02:08.42 | Legorol | wait |
| 02:08.45 | Legorol | he has a DVD on IDE0 |
| 02:08.46 | Iriel | IDE3; hdg hdh |
| 02:09.02 | Legorol | does that matter? |
| 02:09.16 | Legorol | ah ok |
| 02:09.20 | Legorol | let's use that labeling then |
| 02:09.21 | Iriel | it should, but we haven't gotten that far yet, usefully 8-) |
| 02:09.30 | Legorol | i still suggest unplugging hda, |
| 02:09.32 | Iriel | I'd like to see us get back into linux at this point, and at least get THAT working |
| 02:09.37 | Legorol | to see if the computer can load grub from the green |
| 02:09.40 | Kremonte | yeah iriel, thats what im trying to do |
| 02:09.47 | Kremonte | oky, i reset bios, let cdrom load first |
| 02:09.49 | Kremonte | now livecd is loading |
| 02:09.59 | Kremonte | you can probably already tell, but this is getting me VERY frustrated |
| 02:10.08 | Legorol | this menu.lst thing, it doesn't have to be on same drive as grub, right? |
| 02:10.10 | Iriel | yeah, I dont blame you, I hate this kind of 'process' |
| 02:10.24 | Iriel | Legorol : Not necessarily, no. It depends how you configure it |
| 02:10.43 | Legorol | do you have tools for viewing the state of grub in the MBR of every drive? |
| 02:11.04 | Legorol | btw, wouldn't Linux require special drivers for handling drives attached to the VIA chip? |
| 02:11.07 | Legorol | Windows does.. |
| 02:11.29 | Iriel | Legorol : Yes, which is why I want to get kremonte into linux ASAP |
| 02:11.34 | Legorol | ok |
| 02:11.42 | Iriel | Legorol : Because, if we can't find working drivers, he may as well send it back anyway |
| 02:11.48 | Legorol | right |
| 02:11.55 | Iriel | Legorol : But there's a fair chance they're sitting in his /lib/modules directory |
| 02:12.14 | Legorol | the reason why i still suggest unplugging hda as a test is this: |
| 02:12.31 | Legorol | that allows you to verify if the computer is able to boot from a drive in the green connector or not |
| 02:12.52 | Kremonte | legorol, you can |
| 02:12.55 | Kremonte | if its enabled in boot priorities |
| 02:12.56 | Legorol | if it's able to boot from the green, then he can boot from hdc, which has his almost correctly configured grub, if i understand correctly |
| 02:13.02 | Legorol | Kremonte: no, boot priorities isn't enough of a test |
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| 02:13.15 | Kremonte | but i only need 1 bootable drive |
| 02:13.16 | Kremonte | with GRUB |
| 02:13.19 | Legorol | because if the drive is not bootable, then the BIOS skips it and moves on |
| 02:13.19 | Iriel | Well, the easiest test would be to put the drives back in the order they used to be |
| 02:13.22 | Kremonte | so either way, i can just use that |
| 02:13.25 | Iriel | But, actually, he can't do that |
| 02:13.34 | Legorol | he can't, because of the DVD |
| 02:13.37 | Iriel | because he has no IDE1 |
| 02:13.47 | Kremonte | okay, ubuntu is up and running |
| 02:13.50 | Legorol | it's probably showing up as SCSI |
| 02:13.51 | Iriel | cool |
| 02:13.55 | Iriel | live cd? |
| 02:14.10 | Kremonte | yea |
| 02:14.19 | Iriel | That machine isn't internet accessible is it by any chance? |
| 02:14.36 | Kremonte | well i usually had my ethernet plugged into that |
| 02:14.43 | Kremonte | but some tech geniuses broke the wifi here |
| 02:14.46 | Kremonte | so no, its not |
| 02:14.52 | Iriel | ok.. this will just be slower 8-) |
| 02:15.00 | Iriel | Alright, let's see what you have |
| 02:15.06 | Kremonte | well iriel |
| 02:15.10 | Kremonte | i can disconnect this comp |
| 02:15.12 | Kremonte | and run from xchat |
| 02:15.26 | Kremonte | shall i? |
| 02:15.28 | Iriel | i'm wondering if it's going to be able to be logged into from here |
| 02:15.33 | Iriel | If I can sh into your machine this can go MUCH faster |
| 02:15.35 | Kremonte | might as well try |
| 02:15.37 | Kremonte | one sec |
| 02:15.37 | Iriel | (if you trust me, of course 8-)) |
| 02:15.41 | Kremonte | brb |
| 02:15.50 | Tain | Dont' touch it! It's evil! |
| 02:16.02 | Legorol | in the meantime i'll just comment on what else could be wrong in the BIOS setup: |
| 02:16.19 | Legorol | the VIA chip might have RAID mode enabled, in which case it needs disabling |
| 02:16.23 | Cairenn | zomg, trust Iriel? O.O |
| 02:16.38 | Iriel | Is there an easy place to disable that Lego? |
| 02:16.41 | Legorol | i saw you guys already played around with the SATA/PATA mode settings, that might need looking at again |
| 02:16.49 | Legorol | Iriel: it needs to be done from teh VIA raid setup screen |
| 02:16.51 | Iriel | Because I agree that has 'issues' |
| 02:17.02 | Legorol | the thing you get into by going past the BIOS, and pressing Tab |
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| 02:17.08 | kremonte_ | oookay, one sec |
| 02:17.14 | kremonte_ | need to fix the case |
| 02:18.14 | Legorol | Iriel: i dont' know if you read this or not, but you need to have "Onboard H/W Raid" enabled in the Integrated Peripherals |
| 02:18.43 | Iriel | I saw you say that, I can believe it the manual is less than clear on which way those go. |
| 02:19.04 | Legorol | that setting controls whether the VIA controller is enabled or not in the first place |
| 02:19.08 | Legorol | it has nothing to do with raid |
| 02:19.09 | kremonte_ | arg |
| 02:19.10 | kremonte_ | stupid ase |
| 02:19.11 | Legorol | stupid naming |
| 02:19.15 | kremonte_ | wont let the ethernet cable go thru |
| 02:19.51 | Iriel | Did you not replace the little push out panel at the back? |
| 02:19.53 | Legorol | Iriel, have you downloaded the VIA RAID configuration supplement to kremonte's mobo? |
| 02:20.10 | kremonte_ | nope : P thats the problem |
| 02:20.15 | kremonte_ | trying to use brute force |
| 02:20.27 | Legorol | it explains in there how to enable the VIA chip and set it up for both raid/non-raid configuration |
| 02:22.23 | Tain | haha I fought with grub just last night switching drives around. |
| 02:22.41 | Iriel | Ironically I have an earlier incarnation of that mobo (Very similar design, but pre PCI-Express), however I have an SATA setup. |
| 02:22.43 | Tain | You dont' need extra drivers normally for VIA non-raid. |
| 02:22.58 | Iriel | And this machine is a VIA non-raid configuration. |
| 02:23.19 | Tain | Unless support was specifically taken out of the kernel when it was compiled, which no distribution I know does. |
| 02:23.23 | Iriel | (2 separate machines, in this instance, one is the P4 one, and this is an AMD one) |
| 02:24.09 | kremonte_ | ugh |
| 02:24.16 | kremonte_ | i have to completely remount the mobo |
| 02:24.18 | kremonte_ | i want to cry |
| 02:24.30 | Iriel | Sadly yes |
| 02:24.34 | Iriel | I have been through your pain |
| 02:24.53 | Iriel | You wont make this mistake again tho, that's a plus 8-) |
| 02:25.08 | kremonte_ | ugh, from now on |
| 02:25.17 | kremonte_ | i am looking at what i by with EXTREME SCRUTINY WRAOAR |
| 02:25.22 | kremonte_ | anger;; |
| 02:25.26 | Legorol | isn't there only one way to mount a mobo? |
| 02:25.26 | kremonte_ | buy* |
| 02:25.32 | SP|Sorren | anyone around for c++ questions :P |
| 02:25.34 | kremonte_ | oh, wait |
| 02:25.37 | kremonte_ | umount /dev/motherboard |
| 02:25.39 | kremonte_ | boo, didnt work |
| 02:25.41 | Iriel | The problem is this mobo has a customized backplate |
| 02:25.48 | Iriel | SP|Sorren : Yes? |
| 02:26.03 | Iriel | Which is locked into place by the mobo itself, in the case |
| 02:26.17 | Iriel | it comes WITH the backplate, but you do need to remember to fit it before you screw the mobo into the case |
| 02:26.24 | Iriel | otherwise you have to remove the whole thing again |
| 02:26.27 | Legorol | oh right, that one |
| 02:26.39 | kremonte_ | im not gonna use a backplate period |
| 02:26.42 | kremonte_ | screw it |
| 02:26.44 | Legorol | why would you not remove the old one? |
| 02:26.48 | SP|Sorren | if i do blahblah* blah = new blahblah[100] does blah[10] == NULL? |
| 02:26.57 | kremonte_ | never paid attention to it |
| 02:27.04 | kremonte_ | ive only reinstalled...2 new motherboards, ever |
| 02:27.09 | kremonte_ | i'm not the sharpest tool in the shed |
| 02:27.18 | Legorol | but if it's custom, how can the mobo fit in there at all, with the old backplate in place? |
| 02:27.34 | Legorol | wouldn't the old backplate hit bits of the mobo? |
| 02:27.43 | kremonte_ | it doesnt fit all the wya to the side of the case |
| 02:28.02 | Legorol | well nvm |
| 02:28.10 | Legorol | i'm sympathetic, i know mobo replacement is a harsh thing. |
| 02:28.12 | Iriel | SP|Sorren I dont believe you can count on it. |
| 02:28.18 | Iriel | Legorol : it's just a question of where the HOLES are |
| 02:28.20 | SP|Sorren | most mobo's i've worked with come with a back plate that pops in |
| 02:28.28 | SP|Sorren | alrite, thanks iriel |
| 02:28.30 | kremonte_ | it did |
| 02:28.31 | Iriel | This mobo does too |
| 02:28.32 | kremonte_ | lol |
| 02:28.37 | kremonte_ | i just forgot about it |
| 02:28.54 | kremonte_ | see, THIS is why i hate hardware with a burning, burning passion |
| 02:28.56 | SP|Sorren | did you forget to remove the case's default back plate or something? :o |
| 02:29.05 | Iriel | SP|Sorren : Actually, roll back one step |
| 02:29.08 | kremonte_ | my old motherboard's, yes |
| 02:29.12 | Iriel | SP|Sorren : You do blahblah* blah = new blahblah[100] |
| 02:29.19 | Iriel | is blahblah an object? |
| 02:29.22 | SP|Sorren | yes |
| 02:29.36 | SP|Sorren | blahblah is my custom blahblah object, which holds other gobbledegook |
| 02:29.51 | SP|Sorren | or can, rather |
| 02:29.54 | Iriel | SP|Sorren : Does blahblah have a default ctor? |
| 02:30.06 | SP|Sorren | yes, actually |
| 02:30.07 | SP|Sorren | oh |
| 02:30.14 | Iriel | Then that gets called for each object |
| 02:30.16 | kremonte_ | and the best part is, |
| 02:30.18 | Legorol | it takes me ages to install a mobo, but at least i end up with all the bits in place |
| 02:30.22 | kremonte_ | tis was just for a new video card |
| 02:30.23 | SP|Sorren | well that makes sense. |
| 02:30.32 | SP|Sorren | thanks again lol |
| 02:30.33 | kremonte_ | but i couldnt get a new pcie mobo without getting a socket T processor |
| 02:30.51 | Legorol | socket T? |
| 02:30.59 | kremonte_ | socke 775 |
| 02:31.03 | Legorol | ah |
| 02:31.13 | SP|Sorren | is this new? or intel? |
| 02:31.17 | Legorol | intel |
| 02:31.19 | SP|Sorren | ah |
| 02:31.26 | Legorol | latest intel socket |
| 02:31.59 | Legorol | kremonte_, did you not have to replace your power supply by any chance |
| 02:32.06 | Legorol | i see your newe mobo has the 24-pin power supply connector |
| 02:32.11 | Legorol | i fell for that trap :( |
| 02:32.22 | Legorol | i bought a new mobo recently and replaced a 2.5 years old one |
| 02:32.42 | Legorol | i put it in, happy and all, and then i notice that contrary to the mobo's manual itself, it has a 24-pin connector rather than 20 |
| 02:32.43 | kremonte_ | thats new? lol |
| 02:32.47 | kremonte_ | all 4 of my mobos have had that |
| 02:32.53 | Legorol | new by my standards |
| 02:33.00 | Iriel | Was the old mobo an AMD one? |
| 02:33.03 | Legorol | nope |
| 02:33.09 | Iriel | Intel required that PSU connector long before AMD did |
| 02:33.10 | kremonte_ | yeah well i'm 14 years old, so i'm not well versed in anything quite yet =P |
| 02:33.16 | Legorol | it's just that the ATX spec that was changed from 20 to 24 pin is a very very old spec |
| 02:33.23 | Legorol | and the 20 pins have been around for ages |
| 02:33.30 | kremonte_ | oh, 24 pin |
| 02:33.35 | kremonte_ | i didnt need to use the last 4 pins |
| 02:33.36 | Legorol | and i happened to not get a new mobo since the 20->24 pin change |
| 02:33.37 | kremonte_ | sorry, misread |
| 02:33.42 | Legorol | oh |
| 02:33.46 | Legorol | that's dangerous |
| 02:33.50 | Legorol | i suggest replacing your power supply |
| 02:33.59 | kremonte_ | eh? the mobo came with the 4 pin sblocked off |
| 02:34.12 | Legorol | then whoever did that is stupid |
| 02:34.19 | Legorol | i know you *can* plug in the 20-pin connector |
| 02:34.29 | Legorol | but you can end up with not enough power going to the PCI-E card |
| 02:34.38 | kremonte_ | the pcie card has its own power connector.. |
| 02:34.53 | Iriel | Well, we're back to why I wont buy GigaByte boards anymore |
| 02:34.54 | Legorol | *sigh* |
| 02:34.58 | Legorol | ok, use it at your own risk |
| 02:35.02 | SP|Sorren | can i get blahblah* blah = new blahblah[100] to call constructors other than the default constructor? |
| 02:35.13 | Iriel | SP|Sorren | Nope |
| 02:35.14 | Legorol | there is a reason for the 20->24 pin changeover |
| 02:35.15 | kremonte_ | lego, my old board was like that too |
| 02:35.18 | Legorol | it's not just the pins |
| 02:35.19 | SP|Sorren | hmm, alrite |
| 02:35.36 | kremonte_ | well iriel |
| 02:35.39 | kremonte_ | any motherboards youd suggest? |
| 02:35.42 | Legorol | in the ATX specification where the 20->24 pin change is made, there are other changes to the power supply requirements |
| 02:35.44 | kremonte_ | for ~$100 |
| 02:35.56 | Legorol | a power supply with a 20-pin connector is not guaranteed to meet those requirements |
| 02:36.00 | Iriel | I dunno, i'm no expert unfortunately, I just had too many gigabyte failures 8-( |
| 02:36.02 | Legorol | i am not saying it won't work |
| 02:36.03 | kremonte_ | but this one does, eh |
| 02:36.16 | kremonte_ | well iriel, what do you ue |
| 02:36.16 | Iriel | I'm happy with the last ASUS I got |
| 02:36.17 | kremonte_ | use* |
| 02:36.32 | Legorol | the kind of things i am talking about is this: |
| 02:36.40 | Iriel | Right now i'm GigaByte, GigaByte, ASUS (On home-built) |
| 02:36.51 | Legorol | there are stringent guidelines on how much power the power supply must be able to supply on the 3, 5 and 12 volt leads |
| 02:36.52 | Iriel | it used to be all GB, until the previous GB failed |
| 02:36.53 | kremonte_ | my old gigabyte board failed |
| 02:36.57 | kremonte_ | got a new on efor half price |
| 02:37.02 | Legorol | these guidelines have changed with the 20->24 changeover |
| 02:37.05 | Iriel | but another one is on its last legs (And has charring on the PCB from a bad connector) |
| 02:37.19 | kremonte_ | lol okay lego, i get it |
| 02:37.48 | Legorol | Asus is good |
| 02:37.53 | Legorol | but i just had an Asus mobo fail on me :( |
| 02:37.58 | Iriel | SP|Sorren : There's nothing stopping you from iterating over them all later and doing something else, or maybe using a blahblah*[100] array |
| 02:38.50 | Iriel | Oh, Legorol : http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Coordinates |
| 02:39.06 | kremonte_ | ffs -_- my case just broke |
| 02:39.14 | Legorol | :( |
| 02:39.17 | kremonte_ | now my pcie card wont stay mounted, ugh |
| 02:39.20 | kremonte_ | this is horrile |
| 02:39.21 | kremonte_ | horrible |
| 02:39.32 | SP|Sorren | :< |
| 02:40.44 | Legorol | Iriel: excellent effort |
| 02:40.53 | Legorol | i am reading through it to see if i can find any mistakes |
| 02:41.01 | Legorol | but i'm not the best test subject because i know it in detail |
| 02:41.10 | Legorol | try to get someone to read it who is currently confused about it |
| 02:41.24 | Iriel | I did , well, maybe not 'confused' |
| 02:41.54 | kremonte_ | UGH' |
| 02:41.55 | Iriel | Legorol : Anyway, having you read it as an 'expert' is actually better, I'm more worried about correctness than clarity at first, I can always reword confusing things later |
| 02:41.57 | Iriel | kremonte_ : 8-( |
| 02:41.58 | kremonte_ | none of my screws fit' |
| 02:42.40 | kremonte_ | guess ill make a suitable wedge out of some ppaper... |
| 02:43.20 | Tain | "I know the pieces fit, I watched them fall away." |
| 02:43.43 | Legorol | Iriel, i am not 100% on the anchor points |
| 02:44.03 | Legorol | the arguments to SetPoint are taken to be in the scale defined by SetScale, right? |
| 02:44.11 | Legorol | i mean GetScale |
| 02:44.14 | Legorol | not GetEffectiveScale |
| 02:44.31 | Legorol | is that what you are trying to say there? |
| 02:44.36 | Iriel | Legorol : It depends if you're talking parent-relative or screen-relative |
| 02:45.04 | Iriel | Legorol : In 'absolute' terms (assuming the root is the base), it's effective scale, in terms of what you get on-screen |
| 02:45.29 | Iriel | Usually people are doing parent-relative anchors, in which case your effective distance is Scale based (not EffectiveScale based) |
| 02:45.40 | kremonte_ | here goes nothing |
| 02:51.09 | Tain | I'm trying to work it out in my head, I thought (going from memory) that when doing a SetPoint the x,y it really doesn't matter what scale the point you're attaching to is, x,y is always going to be in the scale of the frame you are attaching. Attaching "from" as it were. |
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| 02:52.11 | kremonte | k, on livecd |
| 02:52.39 | kremonte | you around, iriel? |
| 02:52.55 | Tain | I guess what I'm saying is the wording confuses me. Yes it would produce unexpected results if the scales of the two are different, but only if you are expecting to see the scale of the frame you're attaching to. Make sure people stay in the mindset of your attach "from" point scale and it simplifies any chance of confusion. |
| 02:53.07 | Legorol | okay yeah Iriel, i think it's all correct |
| 02:53.57 | Legorol | if you fancy, you can also add that if both explicit size and anchors are specified, than GetWidth/Height still return the explicit size |
| 02:54.10 | Legorol | i'm not sure it's appropriate for this page though |
| 02:57.13 | Iriel | i'm back 8-) |
| 02:57.19 | kremonte | hey iriel |
| 03:03.56 | Iriel | kremonte Is telnetd open? |
| 03:04.05 | Iriel | (Assume that was a /msg 8-)) |
| 03:04.16 | Legorol | lol |
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| 03:04.44 | Legorol | Iriel, once you finished investigating kremonte's machine, would you be so kind as to summarise for me what you saw? |
| 03:04.49 | Legorol | i got curious now with all that |
| 03:04.56 | Iriel | Sure, if I get in 8-) |
| 03:13.30 | Legorol | you have to be able to get out too ;-) otherwise you'll be lost in there forever.. |
| 03:22.51 | SP|Sorren | for c++ the standard namespace is std right? |
| 03:24.14 | Legorol | c++ has namespaces? |
| 03:25.10 | SP|Sorren | im pretty sure it does ;) |
| 03:25.15 | Iriel | Yes, c++ has namespaces |
| 03:25.15 | Legorol | must be ages since i used that languages, it probably changed |
| 03:25.26 | SP|Sorren | curse you visual studio! |
| 03:25.36 | SP|Sorren | maybe ill try borland |
| 03:26.25 | Legorol | were namespaces introduced in c++ at some point recently? |
| 03:26.31 | Legorol | (recent say the last 10 years) |
| 03:26.44 | SP|Sorren | i have no idea ;) |
| 03:26.50 | Iriel | Well, in the last 15 or so years, I'd imagine |
| 03:26.54 | Iriel | I'll try and find out a year for you |
| 03:27.00 | Legorol | nah it's ok |
| 03:27.04 | Legorol | but it wasn't always there, right? |
| 03:27.31 | Legorol | hm, but that must mean the language itself was redefined |
| 03:27.35 | kremonte | o_O 15 years ago? wow, that's like, before electricity |
| 03:28.08 | Legorol | well i'd been programming c++ about 10-12 years ago |
| 03:28.30 | Legorol | maybe 14 |
| 03:28.33 | Iriel | They were in the language in 1991 |
| 03:28.33 | kremonte | id been eating donuts and getting playdoh on the carpet 12 years ago |
| 03:28.38 | kremonte | ;D |
| 03:29.15 | Iriel | which is the publish date on the 2nd edition of the C++ Programming Language |
| 03:31.04 | Cairenn | kremonte: 12 years ago, you were probably eating the playdoh and getting the donuts on the carpet |
| 03:31.24 | kremonte | nah, i was a donut fiend, there's so many pictures of me stealing them from the fridge...and pictures of me getting playdoh on the carpet ;( |
| 03:31.25 | Cairenn | since by your own admission, you would have been about 2 :p |
| 03:31.44 | kremonte | if i ate playdoh, i'd probably be a lot smarter than i am now ;P |
| 03:32.18 | Cairenn | hehehehe |
| 03:32.25 | Cairenn | well, it's been my experience that every kid eats playdoh at least once, typically more than once |
| 03:32.38 | kremonte | nah |
| 03:33.32 | Cairenn | *especially* if their parents were dumb enough to get them the scented playdoh |
| 03:33.42 | SP|Sorren | i ate playdough. i recall it being salty. |
| 03:33.47 | SP|Sorren | and not very good. |
| 03:34.41 | kremonte | playdoh was a no-no |
| 03:34.46 | kremonte | there was like one thing of it in the entire house |
| 03:34.52 | kremonte | but i used it anyway! muahahaha |
| 03:37.17 | Tain | Playdoh is mostly just water, flour, and salt. |
| 03:37.36 | kremonte | i made playdoh in second grade :D |
| 03:37.46 | kremonte | it was fun |
| 03:39.43 | SP|Sorren | anyone know where NULL is defined in c++ |
| 03:40.24 | Fanook | stdlib? |
| 03:40.53 | SP|Sorren | hm, sounds good to me |
| 03:40.56 | SP|Sorren | ill try it :) |
| 03:41.58 | Tain | I'd like to have a stdlib in real life so I know where to look up things. |
| 03:42.17 | SP|Sorren | thx fanook, it appears to be there :) |
| 03:42.24 | Fanook | i've got a stdlib. |
| 03:42.28 | Fanook | it's called google :) |
| 03:43.22 | Iriel | It's in malloc.h on my machine |
| 03:44.34 | SP|Sorren | ;o |
| 03:44.50 | Fanook | re: namespaces, i was never taught them (i did my C++ classes in 99-01). had to learn them on my own. never really needed them yet, other than to stop g++ warning me about using the "old" style #includes |
| 03:45.23 | Iriel | They only really started to get used once things the the stl and the new libraries kicked in |
| 03:45.32 | Iriel | I certainly never had to worry about them when I did C++ a lot (pre-1998) |
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| 03:48.22 | kremonte | i love you iriel |
| 03:49.14 | kremonte | quick reboot time, wheee |
| 03:49.23 | Iriel | Heh, we only got 1/2 done |
| 03:49.30 | kremonte | fine =P |
| 03:49.33 | Iriel | But at least you have linux booting natively now. |
| 03:49.39 | kremonte | yes, i am very happy |
| 03:49.54 | Iriel | Legorol had some suggestions to get your other drives to show up, namely go into that 2nd screen (the VIA-Raid one) and turn raid off |
| 03:50.05 | kremonte | yeah, but no keys respond in that |
| 03:50.06 | kremonte | =/ |
| 03:50.16 | Iriel | Well, they didn't before when we had it disabled |
| 03:50.20 | Iriel | But it's enabled now, it might work |
| 03:50.22 | kremonte | going to reboot and plug in two PCI cards real fast though, be right back |
| 03:50.27 | Iriel | ok |
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| 03:54.41 | Legorol | Iriel, what magick did you work on Kremonte's machine? |
| 03:54.44 | Iriel | ok.. err let's see if we can get Lego in here, he seemed to have a clearer idea than I |
| 03:54.52 | Iriel | Ah, there you are lego 8-) |
| 03:54.59 | Legorol | that's too spooky |
| 03:55.25 | Legorol | right, i'm curious what happened.. |
| 03:55.30 | Iriel | Join #kremonte-pc please 8-) |
| 03:55.33 | Iriel | lego, that is |
| 03:55.33 | Legorol | ok |
| 04:02.43 | cladhaire | Iriel: Got snap-to-grid right working.. just need a general case now. |
| 04:02.53 | Iriel | Yay! |
| 04:02.59 | cladhaire | BWL doesn't let me code much =( |
| 04:03.06 | Tain | Oh snap! |
| 04:03.09 | cladhaire | but Broodlord is down! |
| 04:04.02 | Tain | "Bureau of Imaginary Statistics finds 40 percent of people make up their resume" |
| 04:04.20 | Cairenn | is that all? that seems low |
| 04:04.47 | Tain | That's what I say! |
| 04:05.01 | Tain | Of course I'm all for blatant lying on your resume IF you can actually do the job. |
| 04:05.32 | Tain | Mainly because the hiring process is generally handled by imbeciles. er.. in my experience. |
| 04:06.24 | Tain | Woah Walmart wants to open their own banks. |
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| 04:17.57 | Tain | I'm still not sure about this. " While in spirit form, you'll have a ten second window in which you can cast any of your heal spells for free. This means that if timed perfectly (and specced correctly), the priest can cast four Greater Heal spells before their demise." |
| 04:19.26 | SP|Sorren | i'd say 3 at best, due to lag |
| 04:19.49 | Tain | Eyonix says 4. |
| 04:19.57 | SP|Sorren | well, eyonix is probably lanned w/ the server |
| 04:20.16 | SP|Sorren | the rest of us can expect 3 ;/ since it's a 2.5 second cast iirc |
| 04:20.18 | Cairenn | yo Legorol, you there? |
| 04:20.27 | Tain | Uh.. that's kidn of a silly assesment. |
| 04:21.26 | Legorol | Cairenn, yes |
| 04:21.35 | SP|Sorren | i'd go for casting 3 and tacking a renew on someone |
| 04:21.41 | Cairenn | might want to check your other window ... |
| 04:21.55 | Cairenn | since you seem to have missed it |
| 04:22.30 | Legorol | ... which of the other 20? |
| 04:22.32 | SP|Sorren | i dont suppose anyone here uses visual studio? :P |
| 04:23.03 | Cairenn | you found it |
| 04:23.22 | Cairenn | figured you hadn't seen it, since you didn't say anything about the rare appearance :p |
| 04:23.45 | Legorol | yah |
| 04:24.09 | Cairenn | so thought I'd be a sweetie and point it out to you ;) |
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| 04:32.58 | Fanook | i've used VS6 |
| 04:33.03 | Fanook | and .NET a bit |
| 04:33.07 | GenNMX|Thrae | http://www.gamespy.com/articles/633/633817p1.html |
| 04:33.27 | cladhaire | Iriel: Have access to WoW at the moment? |
| 04:33.51 | Iriel | sort of |
| 04:34.21 | cladhaire | I can send this over if you wanna play with it-- since you inspired me.. =) I'm gonna work on generalizing the code tomorrow.. but it works just as I'd like it to |
| 04:34.49 | cladhaire | I'll toss it up somewhere if you wanna take a look at it. |
| 04:39.28 | cladhaire | http://watchdog.brokendreams.net/images/5/50/Blah.zip |
| 04:39.57 | cladhaire | Its ugly.. but it works.. =) |
| 04:40.36 | cladhaire | doesn't currently work with scaled frames.. but i see where the error is. |
| 04:42.15 | Tain | Yeah I use Visual Studio. |
| 04:42.56 | Tain | What does it do, cladhaire? |
| 04:46.51 | cladhaire | Tain: takes two squares.. and when you drag frameA over frameB.. it snaps to the edges.. in a grid-like form |
| 04:46.58 | Tain | I started looking but.. well I guess I had more to drink than I thought. |
| 04:47.18 | cladhaire | so with WatchDOg.. you can re-grid the frames on your own |
| 04:47.20 | cladhaire | by snapping to the edges |
| 04:48.18 | Tain | Ah ok. |
| 04:49.17 | cladhaire | nothing spectaclar, but I hadn't seen it done before |
| 04:49.24 | cladhaire | its a custom StartMoving() |
| 04:49.25 | Tain | Yeah definitely. |
| 04:50.20 | Tain | Does it right now handle 2 frames that are in different scales, anchored to different things, etc? Just completely treat 2 frames only relative to each other when "snapping" ? |
| 04:50.58 | cladhaire | both frames when moving get anchored to UIParent |
| 04:51.02 | Tain | Oh ok. |
| 04:51.04 | cladhaire | on the real coordinate system |
| 04:51.12 | cladhaire | so you need to provide a re-anchor frame function |
| 04:51.27 | cladhaire | scales.. it did work.. but i have to work out some stuff .. doing that now. |
| 04:51.35 | cladhaire | i broke it somehow by making other things work =) |
| 04:51.55 | Tain | Yeah just a matter of applying the right multipliers, but do it in teh wrong place and things go all kablooey. :) |
| 04:52.07 | cladhaire | GetWith/Height return the results in the local scale, not the coordinate scale =) |
| 04:52.18 | Tain | Oh, how I know. |
| 04:52.34 | Tain | I spent many nights on scaling/moving after 1.9 with Visor. |
| 04:52.37 | Iriel | You dont HAVE to re-anchor things |
| 04:52.44 | Iriel | you just have to do more math |
| 04:52.49 | Tain | Ahh math! |
| 04:52.49 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 04:52.59 | cladhaire | I dont like math.. I like functions that do things =) |
| 04:53.01 | Iriel | I'd recommend avoiding GetWidth() and GetHeight() completely |
| 04:53.09 | Iriel | and subtract Left/Right/Top/Bottom |
| 04:53.15 | Iriel | otherwise your code will break |
| 04:53.19 | cladhaire | Bah |
| 04:53.21 | cladhaire | i was afraid of that. |
| 04:53.34 | cladhaire | but I can make that change quickly.. and it may fix my problems =) |
| 04:53.40 | Iriel | Lego's bug thread was about that |
| 04:53.52 | Tain | Yeah. |
| 04:53.53 | Iriel | The behaviour of those 2 functions is inconsistent for different frames |
| 04:53.59 | Iriel | depending on how their size is determined |
| 04:54.04 | cladhaire | okay |
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| 04:54.45 | Iriel | cladhaire : Do you actually use StartMoving? or do you use OnUpdate and follow the cursor? |
| 04:55.25 | cladhaire | the latter |
| 04:55.51 | cladhaire | its a naive approach.. but the only one I could think about at the time |
| 04:56.34 | cladhaire | Got rid of height/width.. so it works now without those issues |
| 04:56.40 | cladhaire | just have to figure out where i'm screwing up with scaling =) |
| 04:56.47 | cladhaire | Was the first thing I worked on..but I forgot about it |
| 04:56.50 | Iriel | The latter is better if you're doing constraints |
| 04:56.50 | Legorol | multiply instead of divide? |
| 04:56.54 | Iriel | I think its "the right way" |
| 04:57.04 | Legorol | Iriel, might be a good idea to point cladhaire at the page you just wrote.. |
| 04:57.09 | Iriel | I did |
| 04:57.17 | Iriel | I wrote it to answer his question earlier 8-) |
| 04:57.24 | Legorol | right |
| 04:57.25 | cladhaire | aah i got it. |
| 04:58.00 | Iriel | cladhaire : You have some A's and B's mixed up |
| 04:58.12 | Iriel | Well, 1 of them |
| 04:58.17 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.36 | cladhaire | ooh |
| 04:58.38 | cladhaire | that sucks =) |
| 04:59.04 | cladhaire | I think this will be all set once I reload |
| 04:59.22 | Legorol | oh so the frame overlap code is for cladhaire? |
| 04:59.33 | Legorol | its' very neato, i was marvelling at its symmetry and beauty |
| 04:59.38 | cladhaire | *nod* I agree |
| 04:59.41 | cladhaire | mine was SOOOO ugly |
| 05:00.04 | Iriel | I've written that bit of code a few times (overlap detection) |
| 05:01.02 | cladhaire | Oh.. i'm using the wrong width to bump the frame out.. bad assumption on my part. |
| 05:01.14 | Legorol | what i like about it most is that it captures the fact that the two frames are in completely symmetrical situation |
| 05:01.15 | cladhaire | err. |
| 05:02.10 | Legorol | it's also nice that it has the theoretically possible smallest number of relational operators |
| 05:02.29 | Legorol | hm... actually |
| 05:02.51 | Legorol | Iriel, do you think it's possible to write it with less than 4 relational operators? |
| 05:03.04 | Iriel | nope |
| 05:03.06 | Iriel | 4 edges |
| 05:03.08 | Iriel | 4 operators |
| 05:03.15 | Legorol | that's what i thought at first.. |
| 05:03.23 | Legorol | but then, what if you instead subtract stuff from each other |
| 05:03.26 | Legorol | and somehow add them |
| 05:03.36 | Legorol | and then just check for negativity at the end? |
| 05:04.05 | Iriel | I still dont think you can escape it |
| 05:04.14 | Legorol | probably not, but i shall ponder it |
| 05:04.49 | cladhaire | Bah I can't see the issue with scaling.. but i"m sure its something obvious. |
| 05:04.58 | Iriel | Unless you cheat and use Min/Max/Abs |
| 05:05.04 | Iriel | But they're all just hidden conditionals |
| 05:05.08 | Legorol | yah |
| 05:05.22 | Iriel | cladhaire : What's the scaling symptom |
| 05:06.08 | cladhaire | When both in scale 1.0 it works just fine. |
| 05:06.16 | Iriel | I notice you're not dividing the set point coords by sA |
| 05:06.21 | Iriel | Which is probably your issue |
| 05:06.38 | cladhaire | aye.. its not working when the scale isn't 1.0 |
| 05:07.15 | cladhaire | Thats' why I wasn't sure when anchoring.. which system it was using.. but that makes sense. |
| 05:08.05 | cladhaire | perfect. |
| 05:08.17 | cladhaire | two independent scales works happily. |
| 05:08.53 | Iriel | You could do less work if you adjust everything to A's scale |
| 05:09.28 | cladhaire | *nod* that's what I'm ending up doing |
| 05:11.36 | cladhaire | Now to make it a general library for everyone to use =) |
| 05:11.43 | cladhaire | I can see it now.. StartCladMoving() |
| 05:12.06 | Iriel | If I were you i'd fix the reparenting issue first |
| 05:12.21 | Iriel | i.e. make it so you dont have to reparent them |
| 05:12.42 | cladhaire | aye |
| 05:12.48 | Iriel | though maybe for frameA at least, that's not too restrictive |
| 05:12.50 | cladhaire | I'm not really thinking about releasing it. |
| 05:12.51 | Iriel | for frameB it might be |
| 05:13.01 | cladhaire | frameB never gets touched. |
| 05:13.20 | cladhaire | its just used as the basis for logic on frameA |
| 05:14.00 | Iriel | One optimization I did in StatRingsAnchorDrag was to remember the last x, y and skip most of the processing in OnUpdate if they didnt change |
| 05:14.55 | cladhaire | Oh yeah that's my first job |
| 05:15.05 | cladhaire | I can get this down pretty tight-- but I wanted to get it actually working |
| 05:15.11 | cladhaire | to prove to myself it could be done without too much issue. |
| 05:15.57 | MentalPower | gnight guys |
| 05:16.13 | cladhaire | night MentalPower |
| 05:16.20 | Cairenn | night MentalPower, sweet dreams |
| 05:16.39 | MentalPower | aw, gee :) |
| 05:16.51 | cladhaire | sweet.. all set |
| 05:16.54 | cladhaire | Thanks Iriel =) |
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| 05:18.58 | cladhaire | alright folks.. gotta pack for D.C. and polish up my resue |
| 05:19.02 | cladhaire | s/resue/resume/ |
| 05:19.11 | cladhaire | Thanks for the help, have a good weekend! |
| 05:19.37 | Cairenn | have a safe trip cladhaire |
| 05:19.52 | cladhaire | thanks Cair |
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| 05:19.54 | Iriel | Take care |
| 05:20.20 | Cairenn | night Iriel, sweet dreams |
| 05:20.35 | Iriel | Thanks, you too. |
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| 05:53.48 | Cairenn | You're a real class act zeetg ... |
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| 06:23.53 | Shouryuu | rawrrrrrr |
| 06:31.37 | Crispix | Anyone wanna see something spiffeh? |
| 06:32.04 | Crispix | (if anyones awake that is.. -_-) |
| 06:32.13 | Wob | sure |
| 06:32.38 | Crispix | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811133158 ^__^ |
| 06:32.46 | Crispix | Meh new computer case I'm thinking about ordering tomorrow |
| 06:34.13 | Wob | What's HTPC? |
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| 06:38.49 | futrtrubl | home theater PC |
| 06:39.00 | Wob | aha |
| 06:49.25 | Crispix | ^_^ |
| 06:49.49 | Crispix | I want a desktop machine because it can fit snugly ontop of my satelite reciever, with the 8 port switch I have.. |
| 06:50.28 | Wob | Doesn't that stack a little high, thouhg? |
| 06:50.43 | Crispix | Not higher than my current shuttle case... |
| 06:51.18 | Wob | hehe but the magnetic fields from the combined electric equipement will render you impotent =) |
| 06:51.31 | Crispix | actually.. it doesn't |
| 06:51.38 | Crispix | suprisingly everything works nice and cozy |
| 06:51.50 | Crispix | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103562 the processor I'm thinking about |
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| 06:52.22 | Wob | I've so converted to a mobile solution.... |
| 06:52.39 | Wob | I don't know why... apart from the fact that I'm, for the majority of the time, not 'home' |
| 06:52.42 | Crispix | see.. I don't have anywhere to go other than work.. home, gfs house, work home,..... et cetra |
| 06:52.57 | Crispix | (work.. God.. I love my job ^__^) |
| 06:53.07 | Wob | But I don't miss my desktop =\ |
| 06:53.10 | Wob | I feel odd =P |
| 06:53.15 | Wob | Where do you work? |
| 06:53.30 | Crispix | Gamestop / EB |
| 06:53.44 | Wob | ow |
| 06:53.53 | Crispix | ow? |
| 06:53.57 | Wob | I can't imagine having to deal with gamers in a consumer setting =\ |
| 06:53.58 | Crispix | or how? |
| 06:54.05 | Crispix | its not that bad.. |
| 06:54.32 | Wob | Staff discounts make for good stuff, eh? |
| 06:55.04 | Crispix | they come in.. know what they want and even if its shitty (ie: 25 to Life, 50 Cent's game, or Gun) advise them on something better.. but if they're set on it.. just sell them the pos product and then get them out of the store, and then watch em come back within 3 days.. |
| 06:55.21 | Wob | hehe |
| 06:55.27 | SP|Sorren | nooooo is iriel gone? |
| 06:55.32 | Crispix | 20% off everything... (except systems), and full health and what-not... |
| 06:55.36 | Wob | I wish I could return them =P |
| 06:55.41 | SP|Sorren | and hello :) |
| 06:55.53 | Wob | Except the EB store I bought it from is.... in Australia =P |
| 06:56.01 | Wob | Hola SP |
| 06:56.02 | Crispix | Whats fun though..... |
| 06:56.07 | Wob | (Or is it Hola, Sorren?) |
| 06:56.12 | Crispix | is denying 8 year old kids the right to buy mature games... |
| 06:56.16 | Wob | hehehe |
| 06:56.21 | Wob | The POWAR |
| 06:56.32 | Wob | Do you cackle maniacally whilst doing so? |
| 06:56.42 | Crispix | 'Sorry kiddo.. -insert my state- has a law that says If I sell you this game I could goto jail.. you don't want your friendly video game clerk to goto jail.. now do you?' |
| 06:56.43 | Wob | Cause you really should =) |
| 06:57.21 | Crispix | Oh I do... after they leave (six year olds trying to buy GTA san Andres.. i mean seriously wtf is wrong with parents that they let their kids buy that kinda stuff? |
| 06:57.28 | Wob | With some of the 8 year olds I know, the response would be "Why the fuck would I care?! Sell me the damn game" =P |
| 06:57.44 | Crispix | ... I've had that.. |
| 06:58.01 | Crispix | Then I said 'Well... Tell ya what.. if your mom comes in here to let you buy the game.. then you can have the game' |
| 06:58.15 | Crispix | Mention mommy dearest or father poo, and they cower in fear of your power. |
| 06:58.18 | Crispix | >:) |
| 06:58.26 | Wob | (man.... 4 tab completions to reach your name... easier to type it out =P) |
| 06:58.35 | Crispix | lol |
| 06:58.51 | Crispix | This sucks.. I have to wait between 2 and 8 hours for my auction to get over ;_; |
| 06:58.59 | Wob | pft |
| 06:59.05 | Crispix | Is bidding on a [Silver Plated Shotgun] |
| 06:59.17 | Wob | how much are you bidding? |
| 06:59.23 | Crispix | 39 silver ^___^ |
| 06:59.29 | Crispix | Current high bidder too |
| 06:59.43 | Wob | is there anyone bidding against you that you know of? |
| 06:59.49 | Crispix | nope |
| 07:00.02 | Wob | what's the buyout? |
| 07:00.10 | Crispix | 0 buyout .. :( |
| 07:00.17 | Wob | bah |
| 07:00.27 | Wob | Some people have no concept of the mechanics of the WoW AH =P |
| 07:00.31 | kremonte | where is iriel ;_; |
| 07:00.54 | Wob | [13:19:58] <Iriel> Take care |
| 07:00.54 | Wob | [13:20:14] * Iriel wanders off too. |
| 07:00.57 | Crispix | yeh. i Know wob :( |
| 07:01.06 | kremonte | what time zone is that o_O |
| 07:01.12 | kremonte | it's 2am here, hehe |
| 07:01.14 | Crispix | cripe. |
| 07:01.16 | Wob | Sorry, it's now [15:01:09] |
| 07:01.19 | Crispix | wow just crashed |
| 07:01.21 | kremonte | blarghh |
| 07:01.27 | kremonte | why did it take 2 hours for the kernel to compile |
| 07:01.39 | kremonte | damn you, leenux |
| 07:02.23 | kremonte | well then. |
| 07:02.32 | Crispix | damn you kremonte.... now I have an urge to listen to Anne lennox |
| 07:03.39 | Wob | You should watch that synchronised NE dance to Smooth Criminal WoWmovie |
| 07:03.48 | Wob | Then you'll have the urge to listen to Michael Jackson again |
| 07:03.54 | Crispix | O_O |
| 07:03.58 | Crispix | if you link me to that I will |
| 07:04.00 | Wob | You know... |
| 07:04.04 | Wob | With that song? |
| 07:04.11 | Crispix | yeh? |
| 07:04.12 | Wob | It's hella fun to perform =P |
| 07:04.16 | Crispix | tis one of my favorite songs ever |
| 07:04.20 | Crispix | perform? |
| 07:04.20 | Wob | (The symphony, that is) |
| 07:04.28 | Crispix | oh |
| 07:04.31 | Crispix | its a beautiful song |
| 07:05.02 | Wob | Mr Shore came along to Sydney, and we performed the Symphony in the Opera House conducted by him |
| 07:05.08 | Crispix | :O |
| 07:05.10 | Wob | That was fun =) |
| 07:05.22 | Crispix | What can you see, |
| 07:05.22 | Crispix | on the horizon? |
| 07:05.22 | Crispix | Why do the white gulls call? |
| 07:05.23 | Crispix | Across the sea, |
| 07:05.23 | Crispix | a pale moon rises. |
| 07:05.23 | Crispix | The ships have come, |
| 07:05.25 | Crispix | to carry you home. |
| 07:05.27 | Crispix | .... |
| 07:05.51 | Crispix | hrm. |
| 07:05.54 | Crispix | what should I listen to next |
| 07:06.14 | Wob | hm |
| 07:06.16 | Crispix | Gaming music.... vocal trance.. modern and classic rock.. classical.. or the future of Indie rock? |
| 07:06.24 | Wob | Classical! |
| 07:06.30 | Wob | Or Classic Rock |
| 07:06.36 | Crispix | http://205.188.215.227:8004/ |
| 07:06.39 | Wob | some 80's rock would be good |
| 07:06.44 | Crispix | open that in Open Location in Winamp |
| 07:06.51 | Crispix | 24/7/365 of classica |
| 07:06.53 | Crispix | l |
| 07:07.24 | namxo | i listen lol |
| 07:07.39 | Crispix | o_O! |
| 07:07.59 | Wob | nice |
| 07:08.02 | Crispix | one of my cats just smelt my socks and fell over.... |
| 07:08.05 | Wob | rofl |
| 07:08.10 | Wob | It's a subtle hint =P |
| 07:08.31 | Crispix | he's been known to have a good sense of humor though |
| 07:09.17 | Wob | Wow. Can felines learn slapstick? |
| 07:09.21 | Wob | That's kinda cool |
| 07:09.29 | Crispix | ..mine knows the word 'Alarm' |
| 07:09.41 | Crispix | you say it to him and he'll smack the snooze button on my clock :) |
| 07:09.51 | Wob | He immediately makes his way in an orderly fashion to the school playing field? |
| 07:09.59 | Crispix | lol |
| 07:10.08 | Wob | That's a great cat =) |
| 07:10.26 | Crispix | yeh.. |
| 07:10.33 | Crispix | wanna see his pic? |
| 07:10.43 | Wob | Sure =) |
| 07:10.52 | Crispix | una momenta |
| 07:11.33 | Crispix | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/Xehirut/kutekitty.jpg |
| 07:11.58 | Crispix | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/Xehirut/Milky_Innocence.jpg |
| 07:12.38 | Wob | aw |
| 07:12.41 | Wob | I wanna cat |
| 07:12.47 | Crispix | Be my lurvely Shadow :) |
| 07:13.35 | SP|Sorren | i want a cat too :( |
| 07:13.40 | SP|Sorren | my roommates are allergic though |
| 07:13.49 | SP|Sorren | so i can't get one ;o |
| 07:14.12 | Wob | yeah, at home, my mother hates cats |
| 07:14.17 | Wob | I have to move out first |
| 07:14.25 | Crispix | You can have cats at uni? |
| 07:14.37 | Wob | Get a Manx = |
| 07:14.39 | Wob | ) |
| 07:14.48 | Crispix | I know my gf has a turtle (named Junior) at uni.. but cats? |
| 07:15.03 | Crispix | http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?862049 <=- updated as of tonight :D |
| 07:15.43 | Crispix | Check the backpack.. |
| 07:15.54 | Crispix | I'm debating to AH the Amber Hoop of Frost Resistance |
| 07:16.01 | Crispix | Either that or just wear it.. |
| 07:16.12 | Wob | ah it |
| 07:16.14 | Crispix | not sure it'd get much on the AH |
| 07:16.36 | Wob | Give it a shot. someone might want to de it |
| 07:16.43 | Crispix | de? |
| 07:16.48 | Wob | Disenchant |
| 07:17.08 | Crispix | what should I put it up for buyout? |
| 07:17.10 | Crispix | 2 gold? |
| 07:17.14 | Crispix | 1 gold? |
| 07:17.24 | Wob | I couldn't say. I can't log in to check auctioneer =( |
| 07:17.35 | Wob | but not that much I imagine |
| 07:17.48 | Wob | IT's a relatively low level item |
| 07:17.59 | Wob | see if there are any equivalents up |
| 07:18.03 | Crispix | how come you can't log in? |
| 07:18.16 | Wob | My ADSL is being ... fucktardy |
| 07:18.26 | Crispix | oooh |
| 07:18.34 | Crispix | ok.. classical.. *disappears* |
| 07:18.59 | Crispix | k.. wtf |
| 07:19.03 | Crispix | gaming fm isn't working |
| 07:19.18 | Crispix | fine... *goes to Radio Paradise* |
| 07:23.45 | Wob | whee. 80's chord progressions =) |
| 07:25.46 | Crispix | O_O |
| 07:25.46 | Crispix | Good song |
| 07:25.46 | Crispix | I <3 streaming music |
| 07:25.55 | Crispix | actually.. ya know.. I think I might start up my pandora station...... |
| 07:26.04 | Crispix | You know what Pandora is Wob? |
| 07:26.45 | Wob | nyet |
| 07:26.50 | Wob | Enlighten me |
| 07:26.51 | Crispix | www.pandora.com |
| 07:26.55 | Crispix | head there... |
| 07:27.03 | Crispix | if you need a zip code to sign up.. tell me |
| 07:27.16 | Crispix | What it is, is, you put in music that you like... |
| 07:27.22 | Crispix | it'll start learning your interests... |
| 07:27.37 | Crispix | You can say you like it, or dislike it.. if you dislike it, it'll never play that song again. |
| 07:27.48 | Wob | nod |
| 07:27.50 | Crispix | Soon, it learns your interests incredibly well .. and starts recommending stuff :) |
| 07:27.57 | Crispix | ALL free audio streaming too |
| 07:28.43 | Crispix | click the minimize button, and it'll pop the window out so you can close the other window :) |
| 07:28.53 | Crispix | it knows no-name bands too... :D |
| 07:31.52 | Crispix | You giving it a try ? |
| 07:32.04 | Wob | yep =) |
| 07:32.29 | Crispix | If you want a zip code so you can save your station: 46544 |
| 07:32.42 | Crispix | (South Bend / Mishawaka Indiana.. where I'm from :)) |
| 07:32.43 | Wob | It seems to do so with cookies now |
| 07:32.57 | Wob | or something, I've restarted it a couple of times and it recalls |
| 07:33.55 | Crispix | if you'd like |
| 07:34.03 | Crispix | I can send you an email so you can see what I listen to :) |
| 07:34.18 | Wob | sure, wobster @ gmail |
| 07:35.24 | Crispix | you've got email :) |
| 07:38.18 | Wob | I do like their classification method |
| 07:38.29 | Crispix | what do you mean? |
| 07:38.54 | Crispix | my 'everything' station is like.. a combination of everything I listen to..... |
| 07:39.08 | Crispix | Prolly going to start a 'new age' station soon |
| 07:39.22 | Crispix | for artists like Ray Lynch and stuff |
| 07:39.48 | Wob | "Based on what you've told us so far, we're playing this track because it features electronic rock instrumentation, a subtle use of vocal harmony, major key tonality and many other similarities idenitified in the music genome project" |
| 07:40.11 | Crispix | yeah.. it's scarely accurate on what you like.... |
| 07:40.25 | Crispix | I barely have to touch my station any more unless i hear a song I don't like |
| 07:40.44 | Crispix | I let it run for 5 hours one day.. and I only had to say no, once |
| 07:42.13 | Crispix | mmmm good song... |
| 07:42.20 | Crispix | Feels So Right by Eagle-Eyed Cherries |
| 07:44.24 | Crispix | oh my God. |
| 07:44.27 | Crispix | I just remembered |
| 07:44.35 | Crispix | MEH GF IS COMING HOME TODAY... *Dance* |
| 07:49.38 | Crispix | wob, what are you teaching it? |
| 07:50.19 | Wob | It's currently coming up with all these bands I've never listened to |
| 07:50.26 | Wob | But aren't too bad |
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| 07:51.45 | Crispix | impressive ain't it ? |
| 07:51.56 | Wob | aye =) |
| 07:52.12 | Crispix | ooh |
| 07:52.17 | Crispix | it added ray lynch to my player |
| 07:52.25 | Crispix | can't wait to see what it recommends |
| 07:52.51 | Crispix | take a gander at this: |
| 07:53.00 | Crispix | http://www.raylynch.com |
| 07:53.12 | Crispix | often refered to as 'Planataruim music' |
| 07:53.46 | Crispix | me lurves his music |
| 07:54.28 | Crispix | http://www.mp3.com/ray-lynch/artists/2235/summary.html |
| 07:57.09 | Crispix | O_O |
| 07:57.13 | Crispix | Gorgio Moroder!!! |
| 07:58.03 | Wob | Who?! |
| 07:58.23 | Crispix | ummmmmmmm ... best to google his name,... |
| 07:58.24 | Crispix | lol |
| 07:58.30 | Crispix | more new agey stuff |
| 07:58.34 | Crispix | good stuff tho |
| 08:05.11 | Crispix | whatcha listening to wob? |
| 08:05.49 | Wob | So Tired - Eric Clapton =) |
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| 08:14.36 | Wob | aw |
| 08:14.40 | Wob | They don't have the Whitlams |
| 08:18.28 | Crispix | try 'whitlams' |
| 08:18.34 | Crispix | just whitlams |
| 08:18.48 | Crispix | simetimes it drops the the..... |
| 08:19.31 | Wob | Oh I did |
| 08:20.52 | Wob | omg |
| 08:20.57 | Wob | They've suggested Journey =P |
| 08:21.06 | Crispix | Is that such a bad thing? |
| 08:21.37 | Wob | no, just unexpected |
| 08:21.51 | Crispix | I told you.. its DAMN good at what it does :) |
| 08:22.19 | Crispix | WOOT |
| 08:22.23 | Crispix | Still the high bidder :D |
| 08:29.16 | Wob | hehe John Cougar Mellencamp =) |
| 08:33.17 | Crispix | ^_^ |
| 08:33.22 | Crispix | your big on the 80s .. aren't you? |
| 08:33.28 | Crispix | Please tell me it's playing Jack And Diane |
| 08:34.15 | Wob | Close Enough |
| 08:34.18 | Wob | by JCM |
| 08:34.20 | Crispix | man.. this a good song.... |
| 08:34.28 | Crispix | 'Almost Perfect' by Ingram Hill |
| 08:34.28 | Wob | It did sound very J&D |
| 08:34.53 | Wob | hehe Maroon 5 |
| 08:35.53 | Crispix | I really need to look this band up... |
| 08:35.59 | Crispix | Sixpence none the richer. |
| 08:37.15 | Wob | Hehe |
| 08:37.19 | Wob | One hit wonders |
| 08:37.23 | Wob | or maybe two hit wonders |
| 08:37.31 | Wob | since they were like... covers |
| 08:37.43 | Wob | There she goeeeeessss |
| 08:37.49 | Crispix | lurve the sound of the lead artist |
| 08:37.49 | Wob | there she goes againnn |
| 08:37.54 | Crispix | she sounds... so soulfull |
| 08:38.33 | Wob | man, I must be confusing Pandora so much with my music choice additions =P |
| 08:38.40 | Wob | From Pink Floyd to Maroon 5 to Poe =P |
| 08:45.47 | Crispix | hrm |
| 08:45.52 | Crispix | heres a group I've never heard of... |
| 08:45.57 | Crispix | JamisonParker |
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| 11:02.47 | wowguru-7284 | hi i got wow trouble |
| 11:02.50 | wowguru-7284 | i just joined |
| 11:02.56 | wowguru-7284 | * i got wow today |
| 11:03.06 | wowguru-7284 | and i try to enter game but it says to restart then i get download thing |
| 11:03.12 | wowguru-7284 | and the patch doesnt download right :( |
| 11:03.17 | wowguru-7284 | i need a helpfull person |
| 11:03.27 | Wobin_ | Doesn't download right? |
| 11:03.46 | wowguru-7284 | nope it stops on the second download patch the first one goes ok its 180mbs |
| 11:03.52 | wowguru-7284 | but the second one it doesnt, |
| 11:03.57 | Wobin_ | It stops downloading? |
| 11:04.04 | wowguru-7284 | yep |
| 11:04.17 | Wobin_ | Try deleting what you have downloaded and redownload |
| 11:04.30 | wowguru-7284 | ok. ive tried installing again too |
| 11:04.43 | wowguru-7284 | i have found something that says im missing a patch.lst ? |
| 11:04.56 | wowguru-7284 | does the restart button ever disapear |
| 11:05.06 | wowguru-7284 | ive been wanting alday to play im new to the game |
| 11:05.08 | Wobin_ | not sure. |
| 11:05.32 | wowguru-7284 | i doubt removing the file would work |
| 11:05.43 | wowguru-7284 | cos downloading it each time take 180mbs and half an hour 2 download |
| 11:05.47 | wowguru-7284 | i just wanna play |
| 11:05.49 | wowguru-7284 | crys. |
| 11:06.18 | Wobin_ | try downloading the patch from www.wowguru.com |
| 11:06.24 | wowguru-7284 | i wish i new what i was doing wrong |
| 11:06.26 | Wobin_ | rather than using the Blizzard downloader |
| 11:06.35 | wowguru-7284 | is blizzard not good? |
| 11:06.45 | Wobin_ | Well, you appear to be having issues with it |
| 11:06.53 | wowguru-7284 | lol ha ha, |
| 11:06.55 | Wobin_ | so you may as well try a different source for the moment |
| 11:07.02 | wowguru-7284 | its the second patch that is havng trouble |
| 11:07.22 | wowguru-7284 | does the blizzard repair help at all? |
| 11:07.36 | Wobin_ | It may. Have you run it? |
| 11:07.45 | Wobin_ | All it does is check that the patch you have is valid |
| 11:08.12 | wowguru-7284 | yeh i ran it earlier and doing it again |
| 11:08.16 | wowguru-7284 | i tried that web site u gave me |
| 11:08.21 | wowguru-7284 | it is not responding |
| 11:08.47 | Wobin_ | odd, I'm looking at it right now... |
| 11:08.56 | Wobin_ | I think Fileplanet also have the patches |
| 11:08.57 | wowguru-7284 | great i think its my comp |
| 11:09.31 | wowguru-7284 | hum |
| 11:09.35 | wowguru-7284 | i just wanted 2 try game lol |
| 11:09.41 | Wobin_ | It's a good one =P |
| 11:09.50 | wowguru-7284 | lol |
| 11:09.54 | Wobin_ | How are you connecting to this irc channel? |
| 11:09.54 | wowguru-7284 | if it ever works for me |
| 11:09.58 | Wobin_ | Not through wowguru? |
| 11:10.06 | wowguru-7284 | yep |
| 11:10.18 | Wobin_ | You should be able to get the patches from that page |
| 11:10.22 | Wobin_ | Somewhere |
| 11:10.28 | wowguru-7284 | i came in to see if someone cd help me |
| 11:10.33 | wowguru-7284 | ok i will look around |
| 11:10.35 | Wobin_ | look under Other Downloads |
| 11:11.01 | wowguru-7284 | ty i just opend that link |
| 11:11.13 | wowguru-7284 | im getting computer fixed this week |
| 11:11.21 | Wobin_ | good luck =) |
| 11:11.22 | wowguru-7284 | so more faster its 512 but i slow sometimes |
| 11:12.01 | wowguru-7284 | World of Warcraft Guru ? thats what i download? |
| 11:13.14 | wowguru-7284 | :) |
| 11:13.36 | wowguru-7284 | downloading now |
| 11:13.40 | wowguru-7284 | hopefully this will work |
| 11:15.45 | wowguru-7284 | um wait |
| 11:15.46 | wowguru-7284 | lost |
| 11:15.47 | wowguru-7284 | lol |
| 11:15.55 | wowguru-7284 | hum |
| 11:16.48 | wowguru-7284 | which files |
| 11:16.51 | wowguru-7284 | whats it called |
| 11:17.20 | wowguru-7284 | do i do all the hot files? |
| 11:18.26 | wowguru-7284 | who can help me? |
| 11:20.31 | wowguru-7284 | ok when i log in |
| 11:20.44 | wowguru-7284 | it tells me download was success full then why doi i need to restart? |
| 11:20.55 | wowguru-7284 | and why do i need to download the file thats 180mbs ? |
| 11:20.58 | wowguru-7284 | im so darn lost |
| 11:21.02 | wowguru-7284 | i wish i never bothered. |
| 11:21.03 | wowguru-7284 | grrg |
| 11:21.31 | wowguru-7284 | no one will help me |
| 11:21.32 | wowguru-7284 | crys |
| 11:22.26 | *** join/#wowi-lounge sarf (n=sarf@ce01949-p11-odals6.cenara.com) |
| 11:22.57 | wowguru-7284 | i need help |
| 11:23.02 | wowguru-7284 | no one listens |
| 11:23.42 | sarf | Shoot |
| 11:23.47 | sarf | Hi everyone btw :) |
| 11:24.13 | wowguru-7284 | well when it tells me download worked ok, then it says to restart |
| 11:24.19 | wowguru-7284 | but then it downloads 2 more things |
| 11:24.23 | wowguru-7284 | and on the second one it stops |
| 11:24.28 | wowguru-7284 | and corups |
| 11:24.34 | wowguru-7284 | i have installed more than once |
| 11:24.38 | wowguru-7284 | im so lost |
| 11:24.42 | wowguru-7284 | duno i just wanna play! |
| 11:24.59 | sarf | What is doing this? |
| 11:25.04 | sarf | The WoW Guru Patcher |
| 11:25.06 | sarf | The Cosmos patcher |
| 11:25.09 | sarf | The Blizzard Patcher |
| 11:25.11 | sarf | Or what? |
| 11:25.14 | wowguru-7284 | the blizzard |
| 11:25.18 | sarf | Hm |
| 11:25.20 | sarf | Aha! |
| 11:25.36 | sarf | OK, try going to www.mmofiles.com and search for patches for WOW |
| 11:25.38 | wowguru-7284 | i just a newbie at wow |
| 11:25.40 | sarf | downlead them from there |
| 11:25.43 | sarf | *download |
| 11:25.58 | sarf | What patch is it? |
| 11:26.08 | wowguru-7284 | its the second one |
| 11:26.12 | wowguru-7284 | not the 180mbs one |
| 11:26.21 | Wobin_ | chances are it's the 1.4-1.9 one? |
| 11:26.43 | wowguru-7284 | This patch upgrades World of Warcraft from version 1.5.1.4449 to version 1.9.0.4937 |
| 11:26.44 | sarf | Yeah, but name starts with WoW-1.9.2 or something, wowguru-7284? |
| 11:26.48 | sarf | Oho |
| 11:26.52 | sarf | Hm |
| 11:27.06 | wowguru-7284 | ERROR: unable to load file 'WowError.exe' from disk |
| 11:27.11 | wowguru-7284 | The system cannot find the file specified |
| 11:27.12 | sarf | Hehe |
| 11:27.17 | wowguru-7284 | RESULT: Patch failed |
| 11:27.17 | sarf | (strike hehe) |
| 11:27.22 | sarf | OK |
| 11:27.31 | sarf | What you have is a Blizzard error methinks |
| 11:27.37 | Wobin_ | Do you have enough room on your drive? |
| 11:27.39 | wowguru-7284 | all i wanted 2 do was play the darn game |
| 11:27.42 | sarf | normally, WoW starts out (from discs) at 1.4 (at least in EU) |
| 11:27.44 | wowguru-7284 | yep drive is fine |
| 11:27.55 | sarf | So you get patch from 1.5 -> 1.9 |
| 11:28.03 | wowguru-7284 | its a new game |
| 11:28.08 | wowguru-7284 | i brought it today |
| 11:28.12 | Wobin_ | eu? US? |
| 11:28.23 | wowguru-7284 | new zealand |
| 11:28.30 | Wobin_ | US then |
| 11:28.44 | sarf | Ahaa |
| 11:28.51 | wowguru-7284 | do i have to sign into www.mmofiles.com ? |
| 11:28.54 | Wobin_ | I wonder what would happen if we just sent you the WoWError.exe |
| 11:28.54 | wowguru-7284 | what do i do? |
| 11:28.57 | sarf | Nope, wowguru-7284 |
| 11:29.01 | sarf | Wobin_> working on it |
| 11:29.07 | sarf | (but it's EU so I dunno) |
| 11:29.10 | Wobin_ | To download the patches from there you'd have to |
| 11:29.47 | sarf | Negative. |
| 11:29.47 | wowguru-7284 | this game was such an awfull headac |
| 11:29.48 | sarf | wowguru-7284> http://www.fukt.bth.se/~k/wow/stuff/WowError.exe |
| 11:29.48 | wowguru-7284 | first i brought the wrong one |
| 11:29.48 | sarf | :/ |
| 11:29.48 | Wobin_ | "Due to continuous abuse from 3rd party websites, free registration is now required to download the patch from World of Warcraft Guru." =) |
| 11:29.48 | wowguru-7284 | then this wont work |
| 11:29.48 | wowguru-7284 | grr |
| 11:29.55 | sarf | Wobin_> Yeah, but not from www.mmofiles.com |
| 11:30.04 | Wobin_ | aha |
| 11:30.08 | sarf | wowguru-7284> Don't worry, due to computers being what they are, these things happen |
| 11:30.12 | wowguru-7284 | ive tried installing 2wice and still the same prob |
| 11:30.17 | sarf | Wobin_> Since it has links to FTP sites and whatnot |
| 11:30.47 | sarf | wowguru-7284> If that WowError.exe file does not work, I have a suggestion for you: Download the 1.9.0-enUS patch and use that |
| 11:30.54 | wowguru-7284 | What patches or what do u think i should do |
| 11:31.15 | sarf | wowguru-7284> http://wow.mmofiles.com/patches/download/549 |
| 11:31.28 | sarf | wowguru-7284> Please download the WoW error file from the link I gave you before |
| 11:31.36 | sarf | Let me re-paste it |
| 11:31.37 | sarf | wowguru-7284> http://www.fukt.bth.se/~k/wow/stuff/WowError.exe |
| 11:31.40 | Wobin_ | if you grab the big one it should solve most of your problems (I hope =)) |
| 11:31.43 | sarf | Yeah |
| 11:31.43 | wowguru-7284 | ok i have to register there |
| 11:31.57 | sarf | wowguru-7284> Darn. OK, do that |
| 11:32.13 | sarf | (the enGB patch which I use has download locations that do not require it :/ ) |
| 11:32.21 | sarf | But you need to use enUS |
| 11:32.32 | Wobin_ | I always figured that Wowguru and mmofiles were run by the same guy |
| 11:32.37 | Wobin_ | hrm |
| 11:32.37 | sarf | They are |
| 11:32.39 | Wobin_ | I didn't have to... |
| 11:32.43 | Wobin_ | (register that is) |
| 11:32.45 | wowguru-7284 | just registering |
| 11:32.50 | sarf | However, mmofiles just gather links together |
| 11:32.55 | sarf | (from wowguru and other places) |
| 11:33.10 | wowguru-7284 | ok now which ones do i do again [im a bit slow sometimes lol] |
| 11:33.11 | sarf | If those third-party-places require registration |
| 11:33.27 | Wobin_ | That link above should do it |
| 11:33.40 | sarf | wowguru-7284> No worries. Download the : http://wow.mmofiles.com/patches/download/549 |
| 11:33.45 | sarf | Err |
| 11:33.46 | wowguru-7284 | which link do i do first? |
| 11:33.49 | Wobin_ | But what you actually want is the 1.9 patch |
| 11:33.59 | wowguru-7284 | the 1.9.0 enus patch? |
| 11:34.00 | Wobin_ | That one the 549 one |
| 11:34.01 | sarf | Yep |
| 11:34.10 | sarf | That's your safest bet, really |
| 11:34.37 | sarf | As said, you might need to reinstall and then apply the patch but... |
| 11:35.18 | wowguru-7284 | gees 324 MBS ! |
| 11:35.20 | wowguru-7284 | wow |
| 11:35.24 | wowguru-7284 | yep im using enUS |
| 11:35.31 | Wobin_ | Heh, you'll have to install that patch, then restart WoW about 4 more times for the incremental patches, unless you download them now alongside the big one |
| 11:35.44 | sarf | The smallest incremental ones are not available |
| 11:35.50 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 11:35.52 | wowguru-7284 | that one should take an hour 2 download |
| 11:35.53 | sarf | They don't even leave .patcher.exe files behind :) |
| 11:35.56 | sarf | wowguru-7284> Yeah |
| 11:35.58 | wowguru-7284 | i just hope this fixes the game lol |
| 11:36.14 | sarf | so, meanwhile, you can try downloading the WowError file from the OTHER link I gave you |
| 11:36.17 | wowguru-7284 | ok prob best if i download them all at once |
| 11:36.21 | wowguru-7284 | id forget other wize |
| 11:36.30 | Wobin_ | oh, the game will make you download them |
| 11:36.40 | sarf | wowguru-7284> http://wow.mmofiles.com/patches/511/wow-1.9.2.4996-to-1.9.3.5059-enus-patch.html |
| 11:36.42 | wowguru-7284 | the fukt.bth site? |
| 11:36.52 | sarf | For the Wowerror.exe yes. |
| 11:37.33 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 11:37.37 | sarf | :) |
| 11:37.43 | sarf | Well, it's not so easy |
| 11:37.46 | Wobin_ | It's ironic that it gives them the name 'wowguru' |
| 11:37.54 | sarf | Yeah :P |
| 11:38.02 | sarf | Might be some bug with the nz version tho |
| 11:38.09 | Wobin_ | nah |
| 11:38.13 | sarf | Or he may be executing the patch somewhere else |
| 11:38.20 | Wobin_ | Aus/NZ use the same as the us version |
| 11:38.34 | Wobin_ | I think his download was corrupted mebbe |
| 11:38.36 | sarf | Yes... buuuuuuuut since their discs might start out at 1.5 instead of 1.4 |
| 11:38.44 | sarf | there might be patch problems |
| 11:38.51 | Wobin_ | yea |
| 11:38.55 | sarf | you heard him, it did a 1.5 -> 1.9 patch, 180 mb |
| 11:39.17 | Wobin_ | When I reinstalled I had a 1.4 patchfile |
| 11:39.19 | sarf | If we assume he's not a total dweeb, and the fact that Blizzard + Bugginess => True |
| 11:39.27 | sarf | Do you have a NZ version? |
| 11:39.30 | Wobin_ | Working As Intended =) |
| 11:39.34 | sarf | :) |
| 11:39.52 | sarf | Remember, it came out later in NZ, and they might have thought "heck, let's throw in the patch so they don't have to download it" |
| 11:39.54 | Wobin_ | No, but I'm assuming as there isn't an Oz version, that the NZ one is the same |
| 11:40.20 | sarf | At least I think it came out later. Anyhow! |
| 11:40.34 | Wobin_ | heh I think I bought it around 1.4 |
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| 11:41.11 | wowguru-1234 | ops |
| 11:41.12 | sarf | Hiya wowguru-1234 :) |
| 11:41.14 | Wobin_ | wb? |
| 11:41.16 | wowguru-1234 | me back |
| 11:41.20 | sarf | ^^ |
| 11:41.23 | wowguru-1234 | i tried clicking on that link |
| 11:41.27 | sarf | Yes? |
| 11:41.28 | wowguru-1234 | but the page went |
| 11:41.38 | wowguru-1234 | can u give me that second thing 2 download again? |
| 11:41.44 | wowguru-1234 | im doing the other one |
| 11:41.50 | wowguru-1234 | that big big file lol |
| 11:41.55 | sarf | OK |
| 11:42.02 | sarf | You want the smaller patch thingy again? |
| 11:42.03 | sarf | http://wow.mmofiles.com/patches/511/wow-1.9.2.4996-to-1.9.3.5059-enus-patch.html |
| 11:42.16 | wowguru-1234 | thats the one im doing now |
| 11:42.20 | wowguru-1234 | the big file |
| 11:42.26 | wowguru-1234 | 325 mbs |
| 11:42.26 | Wobin_ | That's the smaller file |
| 11:42.37 | sarf | 1.9.2 -> 1.9.3 = 24 mb file or so |
| 11:42.48 | wowguru-1234 | okies |
| 11:43.24 | wowguru-1234 | how do i copy the link |
| 11:43.29 | sarf | Err |
| 11:43.35 | Wobin_ | He's using a java client |
| 11:43.50 | wowguru-1234 | btw im a she lol |
| 11:43.52 | sarf | Don't know, I use mIRC |
| 11:43.54 | sarf | Aha |
| 11:43.55 | sarf | :) |
| 11:43.56 | Wobin_ | Sorry =) |
| 11:44.01 | wowguru-1234 | i used to have mIRC |
| 11:44.03 | wowguru-1234 | lol its ok |
| 11:44.09 | Wobin_ | You might be better off going straight to www.mmofiles.com |
| 11:44.19 | sarf | The link is on the main page |
| 11:44.19 | Wobin_ | Then browse to 'patches' |
| 11:44.26 | wowguru-1234 | yes lol dont wanna get this page out again |
| 11:44.28 | sarf | just make sure it ends in enUS |
| 11:44.56 | sarf | (which, by the way, just stand for en => english client US => American servers) |
| 11:45.02 | wowguru-1234 | yes looking for the american one |
| 11:45.12 | wowguru-1234 | yep lol i do know alittle lol |
| 11:45.13 | sarf | Where's enGB => english client, Great Britain / EU servers |
| 11:45.17 | sarf | *Whereas |
| 11:45.20 | Wobin_ | bah. Give us some Oceania servers damnit =P |
| 11:45.29 | sarf | enOc? |
| 11:45.32 | wowguru-1234 | got it |
| 11:45.36 | Wobin_ | That'd look cool =) |
| 11:45.37 | sarf | Hmm... perhaps en0c |
| 11:45.51 | wowguru-1234 | im so glad i found this chat place |
| 11:45.52 | sarf | Goodie :) |
| 11:45.59 | wowguru-1234 | :) thanks for the help guys :) |
| 11:46.02 | sarf | You're welcome ^^ |
| 11:46.06 | wowguru-1234 | if i ever get in the game |
| 11:46.08 | Wobin_ | If you use mIRC you'll have a better time at it =) |
| 11:46.11 | wowguru-1234 | id is xrowiz |
| 11:46.16 | sarf | Always fun to help another person to addict themselves to the game :D |
| 11:46.29 | wowguru-1234 | lol i never understood how 2 do the mirc info lol |
| 11:46.30 | sarf | I'm on the EU servers :) |
| 11:46.48 | wowguru-1234 | cool |
| 11:46.50 | Wobin_ | Well, I'm on the US servers, but my ADSL is being... crappy |
| 11:46.52 | sarf | mIRC is kinda overwhelming if you haven't used IRC servers |
| 11:46.56 | sarf | Err |
| 11:46.58 | sarf | IRC clients |
| 11:47.17 | sarf | Anyhow, if you use mIRC, make sure to connect to the Freenode network, then join the #wowi-lounge channel |
| 11:47.29 | wowguru-1234 | its the channel things i forget about lol |
| 11:47.33 | wowguru-1234 | i must download it sometime |
| 11:48.22 | wowguru-1234 | maybe after wow works |
| 11:48.29 | wowguru-1234 | im so looking forwards to playing that game |
| 11:48.32 | wowguru-1234 | im so sick of runescape |
| 11:48.35 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 11:48.43 | Wobin_ | I need to find a game I can connect to =( |
| 11:48.55 | wowguru-1234 | u dont like wow? |
| 11:49.00 | Wobin_ | Oh I love it |
| 11:49.03 | Wobin_ | I just can't connect |
| 11:49.09 | wowguru-1234 | lol yah our adsl providers arnt good here |
| 11:49.15 | wowguru-1234 | they know how to take ur cash lol |
| 11:49.33 | Wobin_ | I'm actually in China atm, else I'd ring them up and complain =P |
| 11:49.56 | id` | < wowguru-1234> id is xrowiz |
| 11:49.56 | id` | ? |
| 11:50.01 | wowguru-1234 | wow cool do u travel lots |
| 11:50.05 | wowguru-1234 | yep for wow |
| 11:50.09 | wowguru-1234 | once i have it going |
| 11:50.16 | id` | <-- id |
| 11:50.16 | Wobin_ | identification, indy =P |
| 11:50.17 | id` | < wowguru-1234> id is xrowiz |
| 11:50.18 | id` | ? |
| 11:50.21 | id` | >_> |
| 11:50.29 | wowguru-1234 | why do u have to say that |
| 11:50.34 | wowguru-1234 | yes it is for wow they are helping me fix it |
| 11:50.35 | id` | cus lol my name is id |
| 11:50.36 | id` | lol |
| 11:50.37 | id` | haha |
| 11:50.39 | id` | >_> |
| 11:50.51 | wowguru-1234 | second patch downloading |
| 11:51.01 | wowguru-1234 | i going 2 watch tv. its going 2 take an hour |
| 11:51.02 | wowguru-1234 | lol |
| 11:51.07 | wowguru-1234 | thanks guys i be back in an hour |
| 11:51.11 | wowguru-1234 | unless i fall asleep lol |
| 11:51.14 | wowguru-1234 | ty |
| 11:51.16 | id` | lol |
| 11:51.17 | id` | haha |
| 11:51.19 | wowguru-1234 | i stay on here tho |
| 11:51.23 | sarf | :) |
| 11:51.34 | id` | >_> |
| 11:51.44 | id` | #wowguru |
| 11:51.47 | wowguru-1234 | incase i need more help |
| 11:51.48 | id` | :P |
| 11:51.49 | wowguru-1234 | bye bye |
| 11:52.07 | wowguru-1234 | watching download is boring |
| 11:52.08 | wowguru-1234 | lol |
| 11:52.13 | id` | lol haha |
| 11:52.17 | id` | sarf: :> |
| 12:02.23 | sarf | ? |
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| 12:20.55 | Tain | ~today |
| 12:21.01 | purl | Friday sucks. |
| 12:22.21 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Wob (n=wob@221.221.20.187) |
| 12:24.08 | Wob | Won't you take me to... Funky town? |
| 12:24.18 | Tain | No I most certainly will not! |
| 12:24.30 | Wob | Hehe I love this streaming radio... |
| 12:26.10 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Cide (i=Cide@81-226-233-223-no60.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 12:26.40 | Wob | Hold me now... warm my heart... stay with me..... let the lovin start... let the lovin start... |
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| 12:37.39 | Wobster | REO Speedwagon =) |
| 12:38.00 | Wobster | I can't fight this feeling anymore.... |
| 12:38.30 | Tain | You ever start typing in a website and an address shows up in the autocomplete history that you don't remember going to, and really am not sure how it could be there? |
| 12:38.46 | Wobster | Could it be someone else is using your computer? =) |
| 12:39.23 | Tain | Unless it's my ferrets, no. |
| 12:39.30 | Wobster | Aha! |
| 12:39.42 | Wobster | Perhaps they are plotting world domination |
| 12:39.54 | [MoonWolf] | tain, ferrets for the win |
| 12:39.56 | Tain | I wouldn't put it past them. |
| 12:39.57 | [MoonWolf] | if you can stand the smell |
| 12:40.01 | Wobster | They're cunning creatures! |
| 12:40.20 | [MoonWolf] | My dad has ferrets |
| 12:40.23 | [MoonWolf] | they are funny |
| 12:40.29 | [MoonWolf] | pretty smart too |
| 12:41.03 | Tain | Yeah, they figure things out. It's almost scary sometimes how clever they can be. |
| 12:41.07 | Tain | When they want to. |
| 12:41.38 | Tain | Other times I'm like, "I know you can learn not to do this jackass, you just don't feel like it." |
| 12:42.29 | [MoonWolf] | Also, the ferret WILL find the food. not a question of if only a question of WHEN. |
| 12:42.39 | [MoonWolf] | and the awnser is alway's sooner then you think. |
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| 12:52.42 | Wobin_ | hrm |
| 12:52.50 | Wobin_ | I can't get it to show the right song name for streaming media |
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| 13:09.01 | *** join/#wowi-lounge JoshBorke (n=Josh@jak-579.stl.gtri.gatech.edu) |
| 13:09.08 | JoshBorke | guten morgen |
| 13:13.18 | Wob | Bah |
| 13:14.49 | JoshBorke | humbug? |
| 13:15.03 | Wobin_ | Pretty much |
| 13:15.22 | Wobin_ | I wanted a script that could tie into iTunes and give out the title of the song I was listening to on streaming radio |
| 13:15.33 | Wobin_ | But alas, the name itself of the song never appears |
| 13:15.34 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 13:23.15 | Wobin_ | aw |
| 13:23.19 | Wobin_ | I haven't heard this in ages |
| 13:30.02 | [MoonWolf] | yay works |
| 13:30.31 | Wobin_ | What script are you using? |
| 13:34.11 | [MoonWolf] | fooplay an xchat plugin |
| 13:34.11 | [MoonWolf] | it only shows the currently playing foobar2000 song. |
| 13:34.32 | Wobin_ | whee |
| 13:34.42 | Wobin_ | Karma Chameleon =) |
| 13:34.47 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 13:35.09 | Wobin_ | This station is like flashback central =) I love it |
| 13:36.40 | Wobin_ | heheh "Every day is like survival! You're my lover not my rival!" |
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| 13:37.22 | [MoonWolf] | Wobin_, how old are you ? |
| 13:37.40 | Wobin_ | hehe 26 |
| 13:55.53 | Wobin_ | iTunes Billy Ocean - Loverboy [1985] 128kbit/s |
| 13:56.06 | Wobin_ | Yay that works |
| 14:00.50 | Beladona | winamp changed their shoutcast listing format inside the media library - and it sucks now |
| 14:00.57 | Beladona | grrrr |
| 14:08.48 | Beladona | Wobin_ is that automatic? |
| 14:08.57 | Wobin_ | hum |
| 14:09.02 | Wobin_ | yes. I'll switch it off |
| 14:09.12 | Beladona | thanks |
| 14:09.19 | JoshBorke | what happens if you return not nil? |
| 14:09.31 | JoshBorke | can you? |
| 14:09.50 | Wobin_ | You can return a value |
| 14:09.56 | Cide | "not nil" returns true |
| 14:10.03 | Cide | err, evaluates to true |
| 14:10.12 | Wobin_ | oh, yeah, not nil =) |
| 14:10.30 | JoshBorke | i see |
| 14:10.51 | JoshBorke | so what would happen if you 'MyVar = not nil'? i think i'll try that tonight |
| 14:11.07 | Cide | same thing as 'MyVar = true' |
| 14:12.57 | Beladona | you can't do just a MyVar = not nil can you? you have to write it as an evaluation |
| 14:13.15 | Beladona | like if (not MyVar == nil) |
| 14:13.36 | Beladona | or if (MyVar ~= nil) |
| 14:13.47 | Cide | 'not nil' evaluates to true, so yes, I can do that |
| 14:14.03 | JoshBorke | so 'true = not nil'? so true is a defined type? |
| 14:14.03 | Cide | type(not nil) returns boolean |
| 14:14.12 | JoshBorke | i see |
| 14:14.35 | Cide | (not nil == true) evaluates to true as well |
| 14:15.32 | Cide | putting not in front of an expression always returns a boolean |
| 14:15.39 | Cide | putting 'not', that is :) |
| 14:15.41 | Tain | lua.exe lets you do var = not nil |
| 14:15.51 | Tain | and print(var) outputs true |
| 14:15.56 | JoshBorke | cool |
| 14:16.12 | Cide | since nil ~= true, not nil == true |
| 14:16.22 | Tain | Nope. |
| 14:16.23 | Tain | hehe |
| 14:16.26 | Cide | no? |
| 14:16.27 | Tain | It works out that way. |
| 14:16.36 | Cide | exactly |
| 14:16.40 | Tain | But that's not strictly true from a logic perspective. |
| 14:16.43 | Tain | Just in this case. |
| 14:16.45 | Legorol | it works out that way because of the definition of the "no" operator |
| 14:16.50 | Legorol | *not |
| 14:17.08 | Legorol | not is a logic operator, takes any boolean or non-boolean argument, but outputs a boolean result |
| 14:17.12 | Cide | right |
| 14:17.16 | Cide | like I said before :) |
| 14:17.21 | Tain | It would be like saying since 1 ~= 2 then not 1 == 2 |
| 14:17.44 | Cide | true Tain, my bad. |
| 14:17.44 | Legorol | exactly |
| 14:18.00 | Legorol | it's also true that 1 ~= true, yet not 1 == false |
| 14:18.06 | Legorol | (i think) |
| 14:18.44 | Cide | actually |
| 14:18.50 | Cide | "(not 1) == false" is true |
| 14:18.56 | Legorol | yep |
| 14:19.00 | Legorol | that's exactly my point |
| 14:19.04 | Wobin_ | That's messing with my mind =P |
| 14:19.10 | Cide | oh, haha |
| 14:19.11 | Legorol | "nil" does not equal true |
| 14:19.17 | Legorol | not nil does equal true |
| 14:19.21 | Legorol | 1 does not equal true |
| 14:19.26 | Legorol | not 1 does not equal true |
| 14:19.27 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 14:19.46 | JoshBorke | ok, so 'nil == false', right? |
| 14:19.47 | Legorol | those are all true statements |
| 14:19.50 | Legorol | JoshBorke, no |
| 14:19.56 | Legorol | nil does not equal false |
| 14:20.20 | Legorol | if you try print(nil == false), you get "false" as the output |
| 14:20.32 | Legorol | what is true however is that in any logic operator, nil is treated as false |
| 14:20.35 | JoshBorke | oh i'm so confused :-( |
| 14:20.43 | JoshBorke | ok, that clears it up |
| 14:20.55 | Cide | 'nil' can be seen as 'unset' |
| 14:21.00 | Legorol | if you think in terms typecasting ;-) |
| 14:21.03 | Legorol | then it's a lot clearer |
| 14:21.14 | Legorol | nil's type is not boolean, therefore it doesn't equal to a boolean value |
| 14:21.17 | Legorol | they are different types |
| 14:21.30 | Legorol | however, in a logic expression nil gets typecast to boolean, and takes on the value "false" |
| 14:22.27 | Legorol | the only exception is the "==" and "~=" operators |
| 14:23.07 | Legorol | there, the rule is that the values on either side are equal only if a) they are the same type and b) they have the same value |
| 14:23.28 | Cide | nah, the audience is just silent, there's a difference :P |
| 14:23.40 | Beladona | I was doing something else |
| 14:23.44 | Beladona | so I missed that whole exchange |
| 14:23.59 | Tain | I was turning my breakfast into nil. |
| 14:24.36 | Cide | actually, it was typecast into energy |
| 14:24.55 | Anduin|Cowzzz | and I'm pretending I'm tired because it's 6:30am and that's what I'm sposed to be |
| 14:24.57 | ckknight | nil == FALSE |
| 14:25.28 | Cide | nil is not false |
| 14:25.34 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 14:25.35 | Anduin|Cowzzz | no it's not |
| 14:25.38 | ckknight | nil == FALSE |
| 14:25.40 | Cide | nil == FALSE only if FALSE is unset ;) |
| 14:25.40 | ckknight | 1 == TRUE |
| 14:25.43 | Anduin|Cowzzz | false is not nil |
| 14:25.45 | ckknight | FALSE ~= false |
| 14:25.53 | ckknight | TRUE ~= true |
| 14:25.57 | Anduin|Cowzzz | false is actually not true |
| 14:26.07 | Cide | FALSE = 1 -->> nil ~= FALSE |
| 14:26.08 | Tain | No ckknight. Lua evalutes nil to false, but nil does not equal false. |
| 14:26.10 | Beladona | nil evaluates to false, but is not false itself |
| 14:26.25 | Anduin|Cowzzz | true is not nil and not false |
| 14:26.25 | ckknight | Tain, type it into WoW |
| 14:26.43 | Cide | ckknight: that's because FALSE and TRUE are not booleans |
| 14:26.45 | Anduin|Cowzzz | FALSE is nil |
| 14:26.48 | Cide | false and true are |
| 14:26.49 | ckknight | I know, Cide |
| 14:26.49 | Legorol | guys, stop |
| 14:26.52 | Legorol | ckknight is pulling your legs |
| 14:26.53 | Anduin|Cowzzz | lol |
| 14:26.55 | Legorol | he is using CAPITALS |
| 14:26.59 | ckknight | no I'm not, Legorol |
| 14:27.00 | Cide | yup |
| 14:27.01 | Legorol | therefore FALSE and false are not the same |
| 14:27.02 | Wobin_ | OMG |
| 14:27.06 | Anduin|Cowzzz | O RLY? |
| 14:27.07 | ckknight | yea, the capital ones are different |
| 14:27.08 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 14:27.10 | Cide | ya rly |
| 14:27.11 | JoshBorke | YA RLY! |
| 14:27.11 | Legorol | i meant that ckknight pulled a practical joke on you |
| 14:27.18 | ckknight | no, I didn't |
| 14:27.22 | ckknight | merely stating facts |
| 14:27.23 | Wobin_ | roflcopter =P |
| 14:27.23 | Anduin|Cowzzz | he did? |
| 14:27.32 | Cide | it's not a fact that FALSE == nil though |
| 14:27.37 | Tain | Doesn't matter. nil does still not equal FALSE. :) |
| 14:27.40 | Anduin|Cowzzz | omgwtfstfubbq |
| 14:27.47 | Cide | like I said, FALSE = 1 leads to FALSE ~= nil |
| 14:27.49 | Cide | ;) |
| 14:27.53 | Legorol | yep |
| 14:28.00 | ckknight | yea, you could do that |
| 14:28.09 | Anduin|Cowzzz | FALSE == nil |
| 14:28.16 | Tain | WoW is funny though, load up with no addons (to make sure your'e not adding anything else) and print out the values of true, false, TRUE, FALSE. Blizzard does define them at leats in some cases |
| 14:28.51 | JoshBorke | what type do they all get? |
| 14:28.52 | Cide | FALSE ~= nil Anduin|Cowzzz :) |
| 14:28.59 | Legorol | you can't define the value of true and false, Tain |
| 14:29.00 | Cide | well |
| 14:29.03 | Legorol | those are reserved keywords |
| 14:29.07 | Cide | it MIGHT be nil |
| 14:29.08 | Legorol | you can define TRUE and FALSE |
| 14:29.10 | Cide | but it's not always nil |
| 14:29.18 | JoshBorke | wait, false is a reserved keyword? |
| 14:29.19 | Anduin|Cowzzz | MIGHT == nil |
| 14:29.29 | Cide | only if MIGHT is undefined! |
| 14:29.32 | Cide | JoshBorke: yes |
| 14:29.33 | Legorol | JoshBorke: yes, meaning you can't assign to it |
| 14:29.34 | Beladona | mmm, I love the new orientation methods for statusbars and sliderbars |
| 14:29.41 | Anduin|Cowzzz | undefined == nil |
| 14:29.44 | Beladona | can't wait to use them |
| 14:30.18 | Cide | actually |
| 14:30.21 | JoshBorke | so, is this correct, 'false == not true' 'not nil == true' 'nil == false'(only in logic expressions) |
| 14:30.27 | Cide | setglobal("true", 5) works ;) |
| 14:30.32 | Cide | but I know it's just a hack |
| 14:30.59 | Legorol | JoshBorke: first true are correct, last one isn't |
| 14:31.06 | Legorol | ehm.. |
| 14:31.08 | Beladona | I don't think that last one works Josh. If you set a var to nil, then you can do that var == false |
| 14:31.23 | Legorol | ok i see what JoshBorke means |
| 14:31.40 | Legorol | JoshBorke, you don't mean the Lua == operator, you mean if those things are equivalent in "not", "and" and "or"? |
| 14:31.49 | Legorol | if that's what you are asking, then the answer is yes to all three |
| 14:31.56 | ckknight | false ~= true |
| 14:32.02 | ckknight | err |
| 14:32.06 | ckknight | false ~= nil |
| 14:32.13 | Legorol | by the way, the easiest thing is for you to read 2.5.2 and 2.5.3 in the Lua manual |
| 14:32.17 | Legorol | very compact and defines everything |
| 14:32.27 | Anduin|Cowzzz | if (not nil) and (not false) then ItsDefinitely = true end |
| 14:32.29 | Beladona | look at it this way. If Var = nil, then var == false, but if Var = not nil, then Var == true. Right? |
| 14:32.39 | Legorol | everyone here is correct |
| 14:32.41 | Legorol | :-) |
| 14:32.43 | Wobin_ | hehe, where's the fun in that, though Legorol? =) |
| 14:33.00 | Legorol | Beladona isn't though |
| 14:33.06 | Beladona | bah |
| 14:33.08 | Cide | hmm. |
| 14:33.09 | ckknight | yea, Beladona's wrong |
| 14:33.17 | Anduin|Cowzzz | cant eval assignments in lua, can you? |
| 14:33.18 | Legorol | Beladona, if var = nil, var ~= false |
| 14:33.28 | Legorol | can't, Anduin|Cowzzz |
| 14:33.35 | ckknight | not nil == not false, though |
| 14:33.41 | Legorol | that's correct |
| 14:33.52 | Anduin|Cowzzz | both are true |
| 14:33.57 | Legorol | true |
| 14:34.03 | ckknight | similar to how not 1 == not true |
| 14:34.06 | Cide | hmm, when does lua use true as a keyword, and when does it use true as a global? |
| 14:34.10 | Anduin|Cowzzz | and not true == false |
| 14:34.19 | Legorol | it never uses it as a global, Cide |
| 14:34.22 | Legorol | or it shouldn't |
| 14:34.26 | JoshBorke | who would have thought 2 little questions would lead to this discussion :-P |
| 14:34.27 | ckknight | true is a keyword, TRUE is a global |
| 14:34.36 | Anduin|Cowzzz | it's true |
| 14:34.37 | Cide | setglobal("true", 5) "/dump true" (thanks iriel) returns 5 |
| 14:34.37 | Legorol | if Blizz somehow hacked their Lua implementation, it's possible it's a global |
| 14:34.44 | Legorol | zomg.. |
| 14:34.52 | Cide | whereas type(true) returns boolean |
| 14:34.56 | Anduin|Cowzzz | omgwtfstfubbq |
| 14:34.58 | Legorol | Cide, that's because |
| 14:35.01 | JoshBorke | Cide: even aftery ou setglobal? |
| 14:35.04 | Legorol | you can use "true" as an index in the global table |
| 14:35.14 | Legorol | setglobal("true", 5) is like saying GlobalTable[true] = 5 |
| 14:35.15 | Anduin|Cowzzz | getglobal("true") |
| 14:35.24 | Anduin|Cowzzz | == 5 |
| 14:35.24 | Cide | right |
| 14:35.26 | Legorol | when you type /dump true, it's equivalent to print(GlobalTable[true]) |
| 14:35.34 | Cide | ah, right |
| 14:35.44 | Legorol | that's Iriel's fault though ;-) |
| 14:35.56 | Anduin|Cowzzz | not really |
| 14:35.56 | Legorol | well, actually, you can argue that it's ambiguous |
| 14:36.08 | Legorol | depends on how /dump is defined to operate |
| 14:36.23 | Legorol | if it tries globals first, before evaluating it as an expression, then it's working as intended |
| 14:36.37 | Cide | yeah, it does |
| 14:36.51 | Beladona | ok I see where I messed up in my previous var = statement |
| 14:37.07 | Legorol | isn't Lua fun :D |
| 14:37.25 | JoshBorke | yes! |
| 14:37.57 | Legorol | my favourite is ("0" + 1 == 0 + 1) but ("0" ~= 0) and also (table["0"] ~= table[0]) |
| 14:38.19 | ckknight | you can do "0" + 1? |
| 14:38.31 | krka|work | damn i'm stupid... i had a potential overflow on my code, so i wrote checks to trap it when they happened... then i wrote the checks incorrectly :( |
| 14:38.41 | Beladona | it still evaluates to 1 |
| 14:38.50 | Legorol | ckknight, yes |
| 14:39.00 | krka|work | strings are converted to numbers with arithmetic |
| 14:39.29 | ckknight | hrm, I thought you had to do tonumber("0") |
| 14:39.37 | Legorol | nope |
| 14:39.44 | Beladona | it does it automatically in math |
| 14:39.47 | Cide | I'm not sure, but you might have to in some cases |
| 14:39.55 | Beladona | but not in a standard evaluation |
| 14:40.14 | Beladona | using tonumber would make it cleaner though |
| 14:40.16 | Cide | I remember having to convert some entries of variable+0 (where variable is a strnig number) to tonumber(variable)+0 |
| 14:40.32 | Cide | that was way back in beta though |
| 14:40.53 | Cide | so I can't remember if the bug was caused by that exact thing, or just something else and I changed that in the meantime |
| 14:41.08 | Legorol | it's possible that the automatic conversion of strings to numbers, like in variable+0, can handle less cases than tonumber(variable) |
| 14:41.13 | Beladona | would be interested to see a test now |
| 14:41.30 | Legorol | tonumber() might be more tolerant towards odd strings |
| 14:41.53 | Legorol | but i doubt it |
| 14:41.54 | Cide | well |
| 14:42.04 | Cide | tonumber() handles "10e5" |
| 14:42.14 | ckknight | hrm |
| 14:42.18 | Legorol | ah right |
| 14:42.19 | Cide | which "10e5"+0 did as well, apparently |
| 14:42.21 | Legorol | Cide is correct |
| 14:42.24 | krka|work | wouldn't tonumber and automatic conversion call the same functions internally? |
| 14:42.26 | krka|work | that's how i'd do it |
| 14:42.30 | Legorol | hmm |
| 14:42.59 | Legorol | who knows what Blizz did ;-) |
| 14:43.20 | Beladona | does the wow subset of lua have tobooean? |
| 14:43.27 | Beladona | err toboolean |
| 14:43.29 | Legorol | Cide, i rememember as awell that back in beta there was something about coercions that wasn't as expected |
| 14:43.31 | Cide | ah |
| 14:43.34 | Legorol | but i don't remember either what it was |
| 14:43.34 | Cide | I have it |
| 14:43.41 | Cide | "gfsdg"+0 errors |
| 14:43.46 | Cide | tonumber("gfsdg") returns nil |
| 14:43.50 | Legorol | ah right |
| 14:44.16 | Legorol | but that doesn't help you.. |
| 14:44.20 | Legorol | because nil+0 errors too |
| 14:44.42 | Cide | yeah |
| 14:44.44 | Legorol | so that tonumber("abc")+1 also errors |
| 14:45.02 | Cide | but you can use (tonumber(variable) or 0)+1 |
| 14:45.06 | krka|work | did blizz do tonumber? |
| 14:45.10 | ckknight | yea |
| 14:45.11 | krka|work | thought that was standard lua |
| 14:45.16 | Beladona | the mianual says that tonumber should return 0 when it can't convert the number |
| 14:45.20 | Cide | you can't use ("gfsdg"+0 or 0)+1 |
| 14:45.29 | Crispix | hrm |
| 14:45.36 | Crispix | can anyone answer me a in game question? |
| 14:45.39 | Anduin|Cowzzz | thought it was nil.. |
| 14:45.44 | Cide | probably Crispix |
| 14:45.45 | Legorol | Beladona, where did you read that? |
| 14:45.49 | Cide | wow's function definitely returns nil |
| 14:45.51 | Legorol | i have the Lua man up and it says this: |
| 14:45.53 | Legorol | "Tries to convert its argument to a number. If the argument is already a number or a string convertible to a number, then tonumber returns that number; otherwise, it returns nil. " |
| 14:46.03 | Anduin|Cowzzz | amen |
| 14:46.25 | Crispix | If I bid on an item last night, but the servers went down, because they're doing the matenince.. to the servers.. does time in game .. pass.. so there's a high probabily of my winning the item? |
| 14:46.41 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 14:46.46 | Legorol | yes |
| 14:46.50 | Crispix | *dance* |
| 14:46.51 | Wobin_ | A good tactic is to bid before maintenence |
| 14:47.01 | krka|work | ooh, nice thought |
| 14:47.07 | Legorol | yeah people often don't bother with setting bid price properly |
| 14:47.11 | Cide | if by 'good' you mean 'cheap' (in both senses of the word, I guess) :P |
| 14:47.13 | krka|work | a bad tactic to sell before maintenence |
| 14:47.18 | Wobin_ | go for the medium length ones |
| 14:47.25 | Legorol | krka, not necessarily |
| 14:47.31 | Crispix | it was at Long before I went to bed, at like .. 3 am |
| 14:47.36 | Crispix | And I was high bidder |
| 14:47.38 | Legorol | maintenance is usually overnight, so |
| 14:47.47 | Legorol | i don't expect many people to look at my items overnight |
| 14:48.04 | Legorol | if you put up your item with the same timing as you would normally do, then you are fine |
| 14:48.07 | Beladona | ok I was reading the wrong section, what I read was about metatables. The function on its own is supposed to return nil if the number provided isn't convertable |
| 14:48.16 | Crispix | So I think I just got a Silver Plated Shotgun for 39 silver and 51 copper....instead of 2 gold... YEEEEEEE ^___^ |
| 14:48.17 | Wobin_ | usually drop raw materials (minerals herbs etc) on weekends |
| 14:48.22 | Legorol | if you are putting up items with an expiry time somewhere in the middle of the night, you are increasing the chance that someone will bid it and not buy it out |
| 14:48.25 | Crispix | Sooo happy |
| 14:48.45 | Legorol | hehe |
| 14:48.50 | Wobin_ | meh, you don't want them to bid, you want them to buyout =P |
| 14:48.54 | Legorol | silver plated shotguns go for 2g? omg |
| 14:48.55 | Wobin_ | That's the current issue with the AH |
| 14:48.56 | Legorol | what server? |
| 14:48.58 | Legorol | i should make those.. |
| 14:49.05 | Crispix | Sargerious |
| 14:49.07 | Wobin_ | It's tailored towards the buyout, rather than the bid |
| 14:49.08 | Crispix | thats the buy out |
| 14:49.09 | Legorol | yes Wobin |
| 14:49.14 | Legorol | and i don't like that either :( |
| 14:49.17 | Wobin_ | (at least for the common sells) |
| 14:49.23 | Legorol | the AH is kinda "this is a shop, here is the price, shown in the buyout box" |
| 14:49.26 | Legorol | noone uses bids |
| 14:49.28 | krka|work | how would you change it? |
| 14:49.30 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 14:49.31 | Legorol | at least not on my server :( |
| 14:49.34 | Wobin_ | I honestly don't know |
| 14:49.35 | ckknight | I always set my bid to the same price as my buyout |
| 14:49.39 | krka|work | i use bidding when i'm not in a hurry |
| 14:49.44 | krka|work | annoying when i get outbid though |
| 14:49.46 | krka|work | have to run back |
| 14:49.52 | Wobin_ | Theres no real point, then ckknight |
| 14:49.57 | Legorol | krka, i try to as well, but whatever i bid on, always gets bought out |
| 14:49.59 | krka|work | (which is why Hoofhoof, the level 1 hunter is standing around in Thunder Bluff) |
| 14:50.01 | Legorol | i never get overbid |
| 14:50.02 | ckknight | and I always play with people who set super-low bids |
| 14:50.21 | ckknight | krka|work, my Carmelabank is lvl 5 for Enchanting ;-) |
| 14:50.36 | krka|work | bye |
| 14:50.39 | Legorol | bye |
| 14:50.44 | ckknight | cya |
| 14:50.45 | Crispix | Time to go cash two 195 dollar checks :) |
| 14:50.50 | Legorol | that's the annoying part.. i am not in a hurry, i am happy to bid.. and then someone buys it out |
| 14:50.55 | Legorol | which forces me to buy out things |
| 14:51.02 | Legorol | otherwise i don't get them |
| 14:51.03 | Wobin_ | Depends on the size of the server |
| 14:51.15 | Wobin_ | If the server is big, then bids are more likely to succeed |
| 14:51.20 | Wobin_ | eg Argent Dawn |
| 14:51.24 | Legorol | oh? |
| 14:51.29 | Legorol | i woudl have thought the opposite |
| 14:51.32 | Wobin_ | Cause people don't find it in time |
| 14:51.36 | Crispix | Sargerious is enormous |
| 14:51.37 | Wobin_ | to buy out |
| 14:51.41 | Legorol | if server is big, lots of people, more likely that someone finds the same item useful |
| 14:51.49 | Crispix | it had no buy out though |
| 14:51.52 | Legorol | not find it in time? |
| 14:51.54 | Wobin_ | aye, but there are more likely to be multiple items on sale |
| 14:52.13 | Legorol | that's true for greens |
| 14:52.16 | Wobin_ | occasionally I troll through the AH for cheap bid deals |
| 14:52.16 | Legorol | not usually for low-level blues |
| 14:52.28 | Wobin_ | true |
| 14:52.31 | Legorol | Wobin, i just use Auctioneer for that :-) |
| 14:52.34 | Wobin_ | yeah, same |
| 14:52.41 | Legorol | low-level blues always get bought out on my server |
| 14:52.55 | Wobin_ | You'd be surprised how many people got caught out by the AuctionIT bug |
| 14:52.58 | Wobin_ | (and still are) |
| 14:53.00 | Legorol | which makes it impossible for someone without a l60 main to feed them to buy them |
| 14:53.08 | Legorol | even if you save up for the bid price |
| 14:53.17 | Legorol | auctionit bug? |
| 14:53.18 | Wobin_ | That's pretty average though |
| 14:53.20 | Legorol | oooh, do tell |
| 14:53.23 | Legorol | since i use that to |
| 14:53.38 | Wobin_ | If you've never seen the item before on the AH, and you use the 'suggest price' thing, it puts the item up for 1c =P |
| 14:53.54 | Legorol | d'oh |
| 14:54.05 | Legorol | ok since i don't use auctionit to set the price, i'm safe |
| 14:54.06 | Wobin_ | yeah, it caught me before I noticed that |
| 14:54.17 | Wobin_ | Cause I have a tendancy to alt click really fast on my inventory =P |
| 14:54.28 | Legorol | you can always cancel it.. |
| 14:54.36 | Wobin_ | yeah, if you notice it =) |
| 14:54.36 | Legorol | you would have to be really unlucky for someone to buy it in that time |
| 14:54.47 | Legorol | well, put up 20 auctions, then quickly scroll down your list of aucitons |
| 14:54.51 | Legorol | takes a few seconds to check |
| 14:54.58 | Legorol | and i assume that 1c would stand out |
| 14:55.07 | Wobin_ | of course, if you're not expecting anything to go wrong... you won't check =P |
| 14:55.14 | Legorol | true |
| 14:55.31 | Tain | Notice? Yesh I check every single auction as I put it up. :) |
| 14:55.31 | Legorol | so has this been fixed? |
| 14:55.34 | Legorol | or is it still there. |
| 14:55.36 | Wobin_ | nope |
| 14:55.37 | Wobin_ | still there |
| 14:55.52 | Legorol | should be easy enough to fix it though.. just use the blizz default suggested value |
| 14:55.53 | Wobin_ | I'm not sure if it's an AuctionIt bug or something associated with Auctioneer |
| 14:56.12 | Legorol | oh right, could be something if you use both |
| 14:56.19 | Wobin_ | (since I've never used one without the other) |
| 14:56.29 | Legorol | since they both hook the price setting thingy |
| 14:56.53 | Legorol | i remember looking at it at some point and noticing that what you get as price can depend on which one hooks into the blizz function first |
| 14:57.19 | Wobin_ | I'm usually happy enough with the price suggested |
| 14:57.35 | Legorol | hm, now that you mention it, i remember fixing something in auctionit related to this |
| 14:57.46 | Wobin_ | I drop so much on the AH, it's not worth my effort to research each item |
| 14:58.01 | Wobin_ | (or rather, I drop stuff on the AH in large batches) |
| 14:58.05 | JoshBorke | i use just Auctioneer |
| 14:58.19 | JoshBorke | is AuctionIT part of Auctioneer? |
| 14:58.24 | Wobin_ | no =) |
| 14:58.30 | JoshBorke | ok |
| 14:58.47 | JoshBorke | doesn't Auctioneer provide the functionality to fill out the prices for you? |
| 14:59.06 | Wobin_ | I think so |
| 14:59.59 | Wobin_ | As I said, I've not used only one of them since the very start |
| 15:00.08 | Wobin_ | So I couldn't tell what one does and the other doesn't =) |
| 15:02.07 | JoshBorke | yea, I use just Auctioneer, and if it hasn't seen an item in the AH, it sets the buyout to 300% vendor sell price |
| 15:16.23 | Crispix | *is checking his ah bid... now... the one that started this whole discussion* |
| 15:17.23 | Crispix | YESSSSSS!!! |
| 15:17.28 | Crispix | I GOT MY SILVER PLATED SHOTGUN! |
| 15:17.33 | Crispix | *Dance* |
| 15:18.30 | Wobin_ | hehe grats =) |
| 15:18.53 | Crispix | it looks so much better than my old gun :D |
| 15:19.14 | JoshBorke | grats |
| 15:19.39 | Wobin_ | Mornin' Cair |
| 15:24.12 | Cairenn | hi hi |
| 15:25.48 | [MoonWolf] | hi |
| 15:26.32 | JoshBorke | hi |
| 15:30.02 | Crispix | http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?862049 :D |
| 15:32.12 | Crispix | hrm |
| 15:32.55 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Legorol^ (n=Legorol@tcmpc43.phy.cam.ac.uk) |
| 15:33.04 | Crispix | I've probably got the best gear I can possibly get right now |
| 15:34.02 | Crispix | I could probably find a better belt..... but.. I'm getting my armor (Chest) upgraded soon with + something |
| 15:34.35 | Cairenn | hahahhahahahahahaha, oh I love the PVP comic today! |
| 15:34.49 | Wobin_ | linky? |
| 15:35.31 | Crispix | PVP? |
| 15:35.35 | Crispix | Cairenn reads pvp? |
| 15:35.44 | Crispix | I mean I knew she was cool.. but.. that cool?! |
| 15:35.47 | Wobin_ | of course, she's cool see? |
| 15:35.48 | Crispix | be still my heart. |
| 15:35.59 | Wobin_ | Your GF is already coming over for the weekend =P |
| 15:36.03 | Crispix | om |
| 15:36.15 | Cairenn | http://www.pvponline.com/ |
| 15:36.21 | Wobin_ | ta =) |
| 15:36.26 | Cairenn | I can relate to it on sooooooooooo many levels |
| 15:37.11 | Crispix | me too |
| 15:37.18 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 15:37.28 | Wobin_ | If only they all worked out with no response from my end =) |
| 15:37.45 | Cairenn | heh, oh yeah ... I'm always helping my folks out too |
| 15:38.18 | Cairenn | plus .... all the idiot users we try to help every day *think WoW users* |
| 15:38.38 | Cairenn | hahaha |
| 15:38.42 | Cairenn | PA is good today to |
| 15:38.48 | Cairenn | too* |
| 15:38.49 | Crispix | you guys... wanna see something.... really... really cool? |
| 15:39.02 | [MoonWolf] | sure |
| 15:39.03 | Cairenn | Crispix: sure |
| 15:39.18 | Crispix | http://www.nesbuckle.com/images/buy_snes_model.jpg (warning..may contain male crotch -- clothed.. though) |
| 15:39.29 | Crispix | SNES controller belt buckle..... |
| 15:40.05 | Cairenn | poo |
| 15:40.52 | Cairenn | oh my! goooooo Dora! |
| 15:41.04 | [MoonWolf] | ??? |
| 15:41.10 | Cairenn | QC |
| 15:41.20 | Cairenn | http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=564 |
| 15:41.28 | Cairenn | hehehe, I start my day with webcomics |
| 15:41.31 | Wobin_ | hehe Cair is obviously going through her webcomic list =P |
| 15:41.37 | Cairenn | in case you hadn't figured it out |
| 15:41.54 | Crispix | I had a really adult orented comic I used to read... |
| 15:42.01 | Crispix | can't remember what it was called.. was friggin hilarious |
| 15:42.16 | Wobin_ | Sexylosers.com |
| 15:42.43 | Crispix | DAS IT!! |
| 15:42.47 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 15:42.50 | Wobin_ | How'd I guess =) |
| 15:43.03 | Crispix | no idea m8.. but sexy losers is fricking priceless |
| 15:43.19 | Cairenn | oh! hey! [MoonWolf]! you're here! |
| 15:43.20 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3855 |
| 15:43.40 | Cairenn | since you were talking about a new combat log parser, you may find that interesting |
| 15:44.02 | [MoonWolf] | reads |
| 15:44.04 | Crispix | Cairenn .. you need to realize... I Have a Pint Size t-shirt. |
| 15:44.08 | [MoonWolf] | thanks for the heads up Cairenn |
| 15:45.11 | Wobin_ | ooh |
| 15:45.13 | Cairenn | Crispix: well, I wouldn't say no to a kiss by either Martin or Dora |
| 15:45.13 | Wobin_ | Go Dora =) |
| 15:46.00 | Cairenn | Raven's pretty hot too ... Faye would be, if she weren't so messed up |
| 15:46.07 | Crispix | http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=20 best Gir related content ^_^ |
| 15:46.25 | Cairenn | hehehe, yeah, that one is cute |
| 15:47.40 | [MoonWolf] | wow, i think something up and 2 day's later someone basically makes it! |
| 15:47.47 | Wobin_ | It's magic =) |
| 15:47.59 | [MoonWolf] | its the same as with the loading tips i had |
| 15:48.10 | [MoonWolf] | i though up the idea but before i could start working on it someone made it. |
| 15:49.52 | Crispix | the only thing that could make this day more wonderful is if it was the spring equinox. |
| 15:50.03 | Crispix | (Everbodies probably going wtf.. why) |
| 15:51.00 | JoshBorke | longest day of the year? |
| 15:51.05 | [MoonWolf] | Crispix, are you some kind of hippy ? |
| 15:51.12 | Crispix | http://scottholmes.co.uk/%7Exehirut/DesktopPictures/Winter13106WSlickbar.jpg old desktop |
| 15:51.21 | Cairenn | Crispix: makes sense to me |
| 15:51.38 | Crispix | It's changed quite a bit.. since then.... but.. I have desktops that change according to the season.. :) |
| 15:51.42 | Tain | Severe weather wind warnings in effect. |
| 15:52.20 | [MoonWolf] | Crispix, how do you do that tab thing in foobar ? |
| 15:52.42 | Crispix | Create a new playlist.. :) |
| 15:53.02 | [MoonWolf] | new world opens up! |
| 15:53.14 | Crispix | indeed :) |
| 15:53.23 | Crispix | I don't like Foobar any more |
| 15:53.29 | [MoonWolf] | why ? |
| 15:53.32 | Crispix | they removed 'Shuffle All' |
| 15:53.47 | [MoonWolf] | playback order random ? |
| 15:53.50 | Crispix | I have 40+ gig of mp3s.. and without Shuffle All.. I can't listen to all of my mp3s randomized |
| 15:54.08 | Crispix | playback order random??? o_O |
| 15:54.10 | Crispix | wheres that? |
| 15:54.16 | [MoonWolf] | playback menu |
| 15:54.19 | [MoonWolf] | order submenu |
| 15:54.20 | [MoonWolf] | random |
| 15:54.41 | Crispix | I have |
| 15:54.50 | Wobin_ | That's a very white desktop |
| 15:55.25 | Crispix | Shuffle (track) Shuffle (album) and Shuffle (directory) |
| 15:55.33 | Crispix | Wobin--Aye.. its my winter theme. |
| 15:55.41 | Crispix | My spring one.. is a lot more colorful |
| 15:56.00 | [MoonWolf] | what is your version ? |
| 15:56.04 | Crispix | Spring / Autumn / Summer... |
| 15:56.36 | Crispix | Moon: 0.9 beta 13 |
| 15:56.59 | [MoonWolf] | aha |
| 15:57.07 | Crispix | what version do you use o_O |
| 15:57.08 | [MoonWolf] | im still in 0.8.3 |
| 15:57.43 | Wobin_ | hehe http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=54456270 |
| 15:57.51 | Crispix | meebee I should reinstall .... |
| 15:58.07 | Crispix | ya know what.... |
| 15:58.16 | Crispix | Its enough like spring out to change my desktop... |
| 15:58.22 | Crispix | .And it's only a month away.... |
| 15:58.27 | Crispix | I can change it... |
| 15:59.06 | Wobin_ | rofl |
| 15:59.15 | Wobin_ | I love Lady Onyxia's Myspace |
| 15:59.28 | Wobin_ | My name is Lady Onyxia i'm a dark red 30 foot dragon and i live in my lair in Dustwallow Marsh. I've got a spikey tail and an impressive wingspan. Mortals cower before me. Other than that, i like pina coladas, getting caught in the rain, a good party, and show tunes. |
| 15:59.54 | Crispix | mmm Onoxia likes Pina Coldas... |
| 16:00.00 | Crispix | Now I know the secret to taming her. |
| 16:01.07 | [MoonWolf] | see way better. |
| 16:01.19 | Crispix | time to readd the radio stations I listen to.. :) |
| 16:01.54 | Crispix | owww.. my back just popped..incredibly loudly.. o_o; |
| 16:02.54 | [MoonWolf] | its not bad, try scanning 40 gig with winamp.... |
| 16:03.02 | [MoonWolf] | you can make tea and drink it twice then. |
| 16:03.04 | Crispix | Takes about 30 seconds now :) |
| 16:03.17 | Crispix | the new version of winamp.. I think they did some serious changes |
| 16:03.29 | [MoonWolf] | dont know |
| 16:03.31 | [MoonWolf] | dont use it |
| 16:03.36 | Crispix | Dunno.. my heart will always belong to foobar though.. thats whyI felt so cheated that I wasn't using it |
| 16:04.16 | [MoonWolf] | foobar is great |
| 16:04.18 | Crispix | Going through Other stuff.. now...... (Apocalyptica and things like that.. Blue Man Group as well) |
| 16:04.42 | Crispix | Progressive Rock (Joe Satriani, Liquid Tension Experiment.. Dream Theater..) |
| 16:05.08 | Wobin_ | oh.. prog rock =P |
| 16:05.18 | Crispix | yay. it's going through the biggest directory now.. |
| 16:05.20 | Crispix | Rock :D |
| 16:05.33 | [MoonWolf] | is u2 still seen as prog rock ? |
| 16:05.39 | Crispix | no.. |
| 16:05.43 | Crispix | Alternitive.. :) |
| 16:05.50 | Crispix | well.. thats the way I see em |
| 16:06.00 | [MoonWolf] | in that case i have no prog rock |
| 16:06.07 | Crispix | Then again, I picture oasis as Alt too |
| 16:06.20 | [MoonWolf] | Otherwise i had one album progressive rock |
| 16:06.24 | Wobin_ | They're technically overplayed alt =P |
| 16:06.52 | Crispix | Going through Soft Rock now.. |
| 16:07.06 | Crispix | Billy Joel, Bryan Adams,.... |
| 16:07.12 | Crispix | Dave Mattews Band.... et cetra |
| 16:07.38 | Crispix | wish I Could get a list of all my music.. |
| 16:07.50 | Crispix | Second largest directory (and near final one now) Soundtracks... |
| 16:08.07 | [MoonWolf] | soundtracks ? |
| 16:08.16 | Wobin_ | Movie/musical/etc? |
| 16:08.17 | Crispix | Home of almost every single Final Fantasy soundtrack ever released......(legally bought).. and a few dozen others. |
| 16:08.20 | Crispix | yup |
| 16:08.23 | [MoonWolf] | your second largets directory is sound tracks ? |
| 16:08.30 | [MoonWolf] | weird |
| 16:08.38 | Crispix | not really.. |
| 16:08.42 | Crispix | I'm a HUUUGE movie fan |
| 16:08.59 | Crispix | Nearly majored in film.. but indiana doesn't offer anything like that :( |
| 16:09.50 | [MoonWolf] | my largest collection would be powermetal complete discograpy of Kamelot, Dragonforce, Blind Gaurdian, In flames |
| 16:09.54 | [MoonWolf] | etc |
| 16:11.35 | Crispix | Still can't believe I found the Definitive Edition for so cheap. 10$ ... 4 cds of blade runner music |
| 16:12.51 | Wobin_ | Man. Vangelis rocks |
| 16:13.01 | Crispix | yehs.. yehs he does :) |
| 16:13.13 | Crispix | I've had the honor of meeting Vangelis and Ray Lynch. :) |
| 16:14.01 | [MoonWolf] | my dad hates you now |
| 16:14.08 | Crispix | lol how come? |
| 16:14.14 | Crispix | Your dad love Ray Lynch? |
| 16:14.21 | [MoonWolf] | he is the biggest vangelis fan I know. |
| 16:14.28 | Crispix | Tell him to get into stage handing work.. :) |
| 16:14.39 | [MoonWolf] | at 48 ? |
| 16:14.42 | Crispix | I've met people you could only dream of meeting.... |
| 16:15.15 | Crispix | Weird Al Yankovic Trent Reznor, ... lets see... who else.. John Flansberg and John Lennel.. Rod Stewart, Elton John... |
| 16:15.37 | [MoonWolf] | dont care for all those.. ecept maybe weird al. |
| 16:15.47 | Crispix | heh. |
| 16:15.52 | Crispix | Al's a nice guy.. |
| 16:15.54 | [MoonWolf] | how weird is he ? |
| 16:16.20 | Crispix | Truth be told he reminded me of my 8th grade science teacher (Wild and crazy.. but totally sane in a fun way) |
| 16:16.51 | Crispix | aw man.. I have work in an hour.. :( |
| 16:16.56 | Wobin_ | I <3 Weird Al |
| 16:17.10 | Crispix | If you don't.. you should be shot in the potato sack. :| |
| 16:17.19 | Crispix | He's awesome |
| 16:17.45 | Crispix | woah |
| 16:17.54 | Crispix | I just got a weird error on the forums......... |
| 16:18.02 | Crispix | 'Forum Not Ready' |
| 16:18.23 | Cairenn | that's normal |
| 16:18.32 | Cairenn | forums are down |
| 16:19.03 | Tain | I can't really say that I've dreamt of meeting any of those people, but it's still nice. |
| 16:19.13 | Crispix | lol |
| 16:19.57 | Tain | Of course I did get to meet Alton Brown. |
| 16:20.48 | [MoonWolf] | now if someone can hook me up with bill gates for 5 mins.... |
| 16:21.25 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 16:22.54 | Crispix | The White Stripes - [Elephant-ADVANCE VINYL #10] Little Acorns [4:16] |
| 16:23.03 | ckknight | Stone Temple Pilots - Creep |
| 16:23.10 | Tain | Stop stealing music! |
| 16:23.12 | Crispix | Good song ckknight |
| 16:23.21 | [MoonWolf] | tain, i bought it. |
| 16:23.25 | [MoonWolf] | 90% anyway |
| 16:23.33 | Crispix | tain--all of my music is legal except for one, which is on its way via Ebay |
| 16:23.50 | ckknight | Little Acorns is also good |
| 16:24.10 | [MoonWolf] | the weirder type of songs i have is stolen/not fore sale. |
| 16:24.35 | [MoonWolf] | no wait |
| 16:24.51 | [MoonWolf] | with the whole dragonforce discography that percentage is probably off a bit. |
| 16:24.59 | [MoonWolf] | but if i could buy it here i would.... |
| 16:25.10 | Crispix | I've got one album by them Moony |
| 16:25.44 | [MoonWolf] | like it ? |
| 16:27.29 | Crispix | yeah |
| 16:27.38 | Crispix | then again..I rarely hear it |
| 16:27.54 | Crispix | I have 43.3 of music constantly randomized :) |
| 16:28.12 | Crispix | *43.3 gig |
| 16:28.21 | [MoonWolf] | I only have about 10 i think |
| 16:28.28 | [MoonWolf] | but only 4 is currently on my pc |
| 16:28.37 | [MoonWolf] | the rest is on my creative zen jukebox |
| 16:30.05 | Crispix | you have a zen too? :D |
| 16:30.32 | [MoonWolf] | sure a zen touch |
| 16:30.47 | Tain | I have around.. I think 120-130gb. All my own cd, ripped. |
| 16:31.08 | [MoonWolf] | 120gb of bought music ? |
| 16:31.12 | [MoonWolf] | thats a fortune right there. |
| 16:31.20 | Tain | Hundreds of CDs. |
| 16:31.49 | Crispix | Some guy came in to my work (work for EB/Gamestop) and bought 300 cds. |
| 16:31.55 | Tain | Which was the HD that I almost lost this week. |
| 16:31.58 | [MoonWolf] | dj most likely |
| 16:32.05 | Crispix | 99 cents a piece.. but when I asked him why .. he said 'I collect music' |
| 16:32.13 | Crispix | no.. he was like 59 years old moony |
| 16:32.23 | Crispix | He said he has over 3000 cds... |
| 16:32.31 | Crispix | I mean holy crap :o |
| 16:32.37 | [MoonWolf] | Tain, now i understand why you wanted to save that... thats a PAIN in the buttside to rip in one go. |
| 16:33.01 | Tain | It took me months, but I was doing it just one at a time while I was doing other things. |
| 16:33.13 | Tain | Plus I was telecommuting full time, so I was at my computers all day. |
| 16:33.19 | [MoonWolf] | ripping it as you buy it is easy. |
| 16:33.34 | Tain | Yeah, once you get the backlog done. :) |
| 16:33.34 | [MoonWolf] | buy cd rip put in collection and done |
| 16:37.52 | Crispix | assuming you have the hd space of course moony. *lol* |
| 16:38.14 | Tain | 250gb HDs on sale for under $100 now. Very happy! |
| 16:39.39 | futrtrubl | oooh, where? |
| 16:40.10 | Tain | BestBuy had them instore this week, just saw another one at tigerdirect. |
| 16:40.59 | [MoonWolf] | sata ? |
| 16:41.07 | Legorol^ | US forums down? |
| 16:41.19 | Crispix | yeah leg |
| 16:42.29 | Crispix | http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/11-133-158-02.JPG *Drool* |
| 16:42.35 | Crispix | meh new cpu case ^_^ |
| 16:46.07 | Crispix | hrm.. Amber Ring of Frost resistance.. 2 Gold, 21 Silver, 51 copper... I could live with that kinda money |
| 16:47.17 | [MoonWolf] | whats wit the odd numbers |
| 16:47.23 | [MoonWolf] | 21 silver and 51 copper..... |
| 16:47.28 | Crispix | just average |
| 16:47.32 | Crispix | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/price.html?witem=11968 |
| 16:47.38 | [MoonWolf] | aha |
| 16:48.09 | Crispix | the thing I don't understand is why a +6 frost resistance gets more gold than a +7 frost resist does |
| 16:48.25 | ckknight | magic! |
| 16:49.04 | [MoonWolf] | idiots |
| 16:50.23 | Crispix | Moony's prolly right |
| 16:51.12 | JoshBorke | are there any sites that provide localisation information? |
| 16:51.28 | [MoonWolf] | i have seen something in french |
| 16:53.58 | Wobin_ | wowwiki has one for the locations in WoW |
| 16:54.37 | Legorol^ | JoshBorke: what do you need specifically? |
| 16:54.45 | Legorol^ | how to localize your AddOn? |
| 16:55.00 | JoshBorke | Legorol^: "Greater Blessing of ..." in german :-D |
| 16:55.13 | Crispix | Right kiddos.. Crispy has to depart his house now.. :( He has work for 4 hours today... |
| 16:55.33 | JoshBorke | ciao :-) |
| 16:55.51 | Wobin_ | ~x en ge Greater Blessing |
| 16:56.10 | Wobin_ | (Of course, that may not be the precise words used =P) |
| 16:56.56 | JoshBorke | would that be a good thing to have though? for people like me who don't have access to the localized versions |
| 16:57.03 | JoshBorke | purl: danke |
| 16:57.33 | Wobin_ | ~botsnack |
| 16:57.34 | purl | Wobin_: thanks |
| 16:58.35 | Legorol^ | JoshBorke: since those strings are not UI specific, they don't tend to be available to the UI engine per se in a file. Someone might have compiled a list, but you are asking quite a bit.. |
| 16:58.43 | Legorol^ | if you want all spell names, item names etc. in all languages |
| 16:59.00 | Legorol^ | the best bet is to try database sites like thottbot, allakhazam or wowguru |
| 16:59.06 | Wobin_ | hrm |
| 16:59.08 | Legorol^ | they might list different language versions |
| 16:59.10 | Wobin_ | Try downloading NeedyList |
| 16:59.53 | JoshBorke | why is it a search on google for needylist, the first result is a 'no results found' error page on curse? lol |
| 17:00.00 | Wobin_ | oh ignore me |
| 17:00.03 | Wobin_ | It doesn't have the strings =( |
| 17:00.16 | JoshBorke | Legorol^: I agree. Was thinking maybe a colloborative website had been setup somewhere |
| 17:00.17 | Legorol^ | I suggest you try wowguru |
| 17:00.20 | Legorol^ | it has a list of spells |
| 17:00.28 | Legorol^ | and as far as i know, wowguru tends to do language versions |
| 17:00.50 | Legorol^ | Yes, this kind of info is on the db sites that mine item/quest/spell etc. data |
| 17:01.03 | JoshBorke | mmk, cool |
| 17:01.07 | Legorol^ | It's not generally in a format though that's useful for UI coding |
| 17:01.30 | Legorol^ | e.g. extracting a list of the names of all spells in english and their german counterpart might be tricky |
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| 17:09.34 | Shouryuu | |24|2\/\/ |
| 17:10.27 | JoshBorke | er |
| 17:10.51 | JoshBorke | ok, so how do i change the laungage on thott? o.O |
| 17:11.02 | Wobin_ | no no, you need to be 35(@|23|) |
| 17:11.23 | JoshBorke | 1 |2 35(@|23|) |
| 17:11.33 | JoshBorke | ? |
| 17:11.57 | Shouryuu | I don't think you can |
| 17:11.57 | Wobin_ | yeah, and you need a huggle |
| 17:17.50 | Shouryuu | what is (@? |
| 17:17.59 | Wobin_ | ca? |
| 17:18.01 | Wobin_ | http://de.wowguru.com/db/spells/ |
| 17:18.08 | Shouryuu | I r escared |
| 17:18.09 | Shouryuu | hhaaa |
| 17:18.14 | JoshBorke | danke wobin |
| 17:18.36 | Wobin_ | np |
| 17:19.13 | JoshBorke | hrm, this is gonna be weird though |
| 17:19.24 | Wobin_ | yeah, it's not very helpful in matching them up |
| 17:19.28 | JoshBorke | i'm indexing my arrays based on the spell name :-/ |
| 17:19.44 | JoshBorke | no no, i can just copy/paste, so it'll be fine |
| 17:20.09 | Wobin_ | I wonder what id reference wowguru uses |
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| 17:24.18 | Wobin_ | btw, Autobuff has a nice list of translated spells as well |
| 17:25.41 | JoshBorke | oOoOo. i should just steal that, because then i can copy/paste |
| 17:26.15 | Wobin_ | brb |
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| 17:53.57 | Astryl | OK wtf. |
| 17:54.17 | Astryl | "test" == 'test' |
| 17:54.21 | Astryl | Is that not true? |
| 17:54.26 | Astryl | In lua. |
| 17:54.36 | Cide | pretty sure it is |
| 17:54.48 | Cide | well, I don't see why it wouldn't be |
| 17:54.49 | ckknight | it is |
| 17:57.10 | Astryl | Then why does CastSpellByName("Faerie Fire (Feral)()") work for some people. |
| 17:59.19 | Astryl | I'm getting really confused by all this. I originally had my addon casting Faerie Fire by CastSpellByName('Faerie Fire (Feral)()') |
| 17:59.55 | Astryl | Then I switched to using " throughout my whole addon... |
| 18:00.09 | Astryl | Upon changing to "s, FF stopped working. |
| 18:00.18 | Elessdy | why are you using ()'s at the end? |
| 18:00.20 | Astryl | I then removed the () at the end, and it worked again for me. |
| 18:00.45 | Corrodias | it was never supposed to work with trailing parentheses in the first place |
| 18:00.51 | Astryl | Because Faerie Fire (Feral) is special, in that it has ()'s in its name, so the scripting tries to treat that as a rank, and doesn't work. |
| 18:01.01 | Astryl | Except, now it doesn't work for everyone else. |
| 18:01.03 | Corrodias | interesting... |
| 18:01.36 | Corrodias | you can't use (Rank <x>) in there? it does have levels.. |
| 18:01.49 | Astryl | I want to always use the highest level. |
| 18:01.58 | Corrodias | you'd have to check what level you have, i guess |
| 18:03.01 | Astryl | Well, I'm jusy confused as to why it works for some people some ways, and doesn't work for others like me, other ways. |
| 18:03.23 | Corrodias | it's because i touch myself at night. i make no apology. |
| 18:03.33 | Astryl | Oh, OK, that explains it. |
| 18:04.00 | Corrodias | that is a pretty weird little issue, though |
| 18:05.08 | Astryl | My current answer of "Try editing the lua file, add ()'s in these 3 places. If that doesn't work, switch the "s around it with 's. And if that doesn't work, do both." isn't really a good answer. |
| 18:05.36 | Astryl | *sigh*. |
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| 18:32.33 | Shouryuu | anyone here seen Hacksign? |
| 18:34.41 | [MoonWolf] | nope |
| 18:34.46 | [MoonWolf] | not me |
| 18:38.39 | Tain | Hacksign... hacksign... is that the one where they're like inside a videgame? |
| 18:41.09 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 18:41.29 | Tain | I've seen a bunch of episodes of it, but it was a few years ago. I barely remember. |
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| 18:42.43 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 18:43.09 | Beladona | isn't it dotHack |
| 18:43.32 | Tain | Oh plus I saw it at the same time I was reading the Otherland series by Tad Williams. |
| 18:44.27 | Tain | It was .hackSIGN I believe. |
| 18:44.32 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 18:44.43 | Shouryuu | it's weirdish |
| 18:44.58 | Shouryuu | I don't really like it, but I want to see it :P |
| 18:45.04 | Shouryuu | *watch |
| 18:45.56 | Tain | Hey Cairenn |
| 18:45.58 | Beladona | actually we were both right |
| 18:46.04 | Cairenn | hey |
| 18:46.05 | Beladona | it is .Hack//SIGN |
| 18:46.09 | Shouryuu | :P |
| 18:46.18 | Beladona | SIGN being a subset of the series |
| 18:46.20 | Tain | Ah :) |
| 18:46.26 | Tain | Oh damn that's right. |
| 18:46.43 | Beladona | either way, I like it |
| 18:46.53 | Beladona | or did, but they don't have it on Cartoon Network anymore |
| 18:47.39 | Tain | Yeah, there were also a couple of video games (or more?) and a new one coming out. |
| 18:49.02 | Beladona | an MMO would be interesting |
| 18:49.10 | Beladona | since the series is about an MMO |
| 18:49.11 | *** join/#wowi-lounge elema (n=ele_ma@p548ADE85.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:49.15 | Beladona | sort of |
| 18:50.04 | elema | how can I check whether a (sound)file exists ? |
| 18:50.16 | Legorol | you just have to try and load it |
| 18:50.31 | Legorol | i don't know if PlaySound returns anything ornot |
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| 18:53.01 | Shouryuu | bela - Yeah I guess the MMO dimension keeps me goig |
| 18:53.02 | Legorol | elema: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_PlaySoundFile |
| 18:53.26 | Shouryuu | it's fun to reflect on how serious we ten to take things in games like WoW, adn remotly imagine how we'd be in a game like that :p |
| 18:53.56 | Tain | Oh man, for the corporate man who has everything and laments not having a space to store his iPod. The iPod Nano tie. |
| 18:53.58 | Tain | http://www.impactlab.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=7447 |
| 18:54.16 | Tain | I don't take WoW seriously in the least! In fact I barely acknowledge that any of you are eral. |
| 18:54.23 | Tain | s/eral/real/ |
| 18:55.08 | Shouryuu | I'm not real!? |
| 18:55.08 | Cairenn | at Tain* |
| 18:55.25 | Shouryuu | Gosh! |
| 18:55.25 | Shouryuu | it didn't knmow that.... |
| 18:55.26 | Shouryuu | Descartes was Wrong! |
| 18:55.28 | Tain | I know Cairenn is real. |
| 18:55.34 | Shouryuu | Cogito ergo sum doesn't work! Damned... |
| 18:56.08 | Tain | Rene Descartes was a drunken fart, I drink therefore I am! |
| 18:56.31 | elema | so how do I use it ? |
| 18:56.43 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 18:56.47 | elema | like: PlaySoundFile(file) == 1 then bla ? |
| 18:56.51 | Legorol | yeah |
| 18:56.58 | Legorol | however, that will actually start playing it as well |
| 18:57.01 | Legorol | that's all we've got |
| 18:57.12 | elema | and I stop with StopMusic ? |
| 18:57.15 | Legorol | i guess |
| 18:57.19 | Legorol | that's the best you can do, i think |
| 18:57.26 | elema | ok |
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| 19:05.24 | [MoonWolf] | Don't mind me I am only a figment of tain's imagination. |
| 19:06.49 | elema | sure? |
| 19:07.56 | [MoonWolf] | Ask tain, he made me up. |
| 19:08.15 | elema | well, then he has a good fantasy |
| 19:08.33 | elema | very real ;) |
| 19:10.12 | Iriel | Morning all. |
| 19:10.12 | Tain | It's just a fantasy. It's not the real thing. |
| 19:10.17 | Tain | Soemtimes a fantasy is all you need. |
| 19:10.18 | JoshBorke | I liked .hack//Sign |
| 19:10.29 | Iriel | I liked it too |
| 19:10.29 | JoshBorke | i also got the PS2 games that accompanied it |
| 19:10.44 | JoshBorke | i've only played through the first installment though :-/ |
| 19:10.58 | Iriel | It's a bit "light" in places (Though my reference point is stuff like Lain, and Cowboy Bebop) |
| 19:10.59 | JoshBorke | i suffer from wanted to play a game and get all its secrets |
| 19:11.02 | Iriel | THe soundtrack CD's are good. |
| 19:11.08 | Legorol | hi Iriel |
| 19:11.17 | Legorol | did you have any luck with kremonte in the end? |
| 19:11.36 | Iriel | I stopped at the 'you need to recompile your kernel' step 8-) |
| 19:11.47 | Iriel | I'll jump back in if he succeeds at that and still has issues |
| 19:11.50 | Legorol | ah right |
| 19:12.05 | Legorol | would be nice to know what happened in the end :D |
| 19:12.14 | [MoonWolf] | iriel lain is kinda dark to compare anything too. |
| 19:12.17 | Legorol | he's probably ripped his PC apart by now |
| 19:12.20 | Legorol | and thrown it out the window |
| 19:13.05 | Tain | Lain is really, really good though. |
| 19:13.16 | Iriel | That is true, (both lain comments 8-)) |
| 19:13.25 | Iriel | Though the powerline-hum gets quite irritating |
| 19:14.01 | kremonte | oi |
| 19:14.05 | Tain | And I *love* Cowboy Beebop. |
| 19:14.08 | kremonte | i do still have issues ;( |
| 19:14.14 | kremonte | i still can't find the scsi drives |
| 19:14.27 | Tain | I sampled Tank (opening music) as a cellphone ring. |
| 19:14.27 | Iriel | Did you install a new kernel? |
| 19:14.29 | kremonte | yes |
| 19:14.39 | Tain | Actually, the entire damn OST is awesome, awesome. |
| 19:14.43 | kremonte | on 2.6.15.4 right now |
| 19:14.48 | Iriel | All of the bebop OST's are awesome |
| 19:15.03 | kremonte | yeah, bebop music is great |
| 19:15.06 | kremonte | ... i have tank on right now |
| 19:15.47 | Beladona | question, and this is a matter of opinion |
| 19:16.02 | Beladona | I am almost done with the ability to view the code of any file on wdn |
| 19:16.08 | Beladona | but which do you prefer? |
| 19:16.11 | Tain | I have one that's got live performances of the Bebop stuff, oh it's so nice. |
| 19:16.14 | kremonte | eh, bela? |
| 19:16.22 | Beladona | a separate popup for the file code |
| 19:16.33 | Beladona | or have it in a scrollable div on the page |
| 19:16.37 | Iriel | Separate window |
| 19:16.48 | Iriel | that way i can ctrl-click it for its own firefox tab |
| 19:16.48 | Beladona | I figured |
| 19:17.00 | kremonte | yeah, that sounds more reasonable |
| 19:17.04 | Beladona | yeah, and you can also open multiple files without having to go back |
| 19:18.32 | Beladona | one more thing |
| 19:18.34 | JoshBorke | i concur |
| 19:18.46 | Beladona | I have GeSHi setup to do syntax highlighting on the code |
| 19:18.57 | Beladona | but it makes it so that you can't do a good copy paste |
| 19:19.06 | Beladona | because it gets line numbers and everything |
| 19:19.27 | Iriel | You could do the pastebin approach of including the 'naked code' in an editbox at the end |
| 19:19.28 | Beladona | not sure if that is a make or break feature |
| 19:19.34 | Beladona | true |
| 19:21.09 | Beladona | I take it back, I can make it copy-paste just fine and have syntax highlighting, but not if I enable line numbers |
| 19:21.16 | Beladona | =( |
| 19:21.26 | Beladona | because it gets the line numbers too when you copy/paste |
| 19:21.54 | Beladona | gonna go with no line numbers for now |
| 19:22.01 | kremonte | then do the editbox method o_O |
| 19:22.12 | JoshBorke | i <3 line numbers though |
| 19:22.31 | kremonte | jes, that's why you do both =P |
| 19:22.57 | Shouryuu | Tain - Have you tried samurai champloo? |
| 19:25.50 | Beladona | Adult Swim, gotta love it |
| 19:26.31 | Shouryuu | never tried it |
| 19:26.37 | Shouryuu | heard good and bad about it |
| 19:26.42 | Shouryuu | so I'm not in a hurry |
| 19:27.03 | Iriel | Champloo is cool, takes a couple of episodes to warm up |
| 19:27.25 | Shouryuu | I really loved it |
| 19:27.28 | Iriel | Never watch evangelion, if you must, then stop before you get to the last disk |
| 19:27.32 | Shouryuu | I watched like for the 6th time last weekend |
| 19:27.54 | Shouryuu | haha I heard good and bad about the last disk :P |
| 19:28.25 | elema | back to my soundfile: this(http://pastebin.com/570710) would work, right ? |
| 19:28.29 | Shouryuu | Lain as stated above was simply... wow :P Really loved it. Screwed my head pretty bad =p |
| 19:29.15 | Legorol | Beladona, will you be providing downloadable diffs? |
| 19:30.00 | Beladona | soon |
| 19:30.00 | Legorol | preferably for arbitrary sets of files as well, but most importantly a single diff for the whole set of changes |
| 19:30.00 | Beladona | getting code views online first |
| 19:30.00 | Legorol | coo |
| 19:30.00 | Legorol | *l |
| 19:30.09 | Beladona | diffs are kinda low priority for me |
| 19:30.22 | Legorol | :( |
| 19:30.52 | Beladona | arbitrary diffs are gonna be a while |
| 19:31.03 | Beladona | but a single diff per change will be easy |
| 19:31.18 | Beladona | per change set I mean |
| 19:32.47 | Beladona | this is a pain in the ass. Line numbers don't get copied in IE, but they do in Firefox. Yet another example of the difference in the way the two browsers handle <ol> |
| 19:32.50 | Iriel | The last disk of Evangelion (Well, the last episode, perhaps), is a huge letdown, it's just random and surreal. |
| 19:34.25 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 19:34.34 | Shouryuu | I have to give it a try |
| 19:34.39 | Tain | heh the "end" of Evangelion is quite a bone of contention with most fans. It just doesn't make sense with the rest of the story. Sort of. |
| 19:34.41 | Shouryuu | I like random and surreal, usualy :P |
| 19:34.57 | Tain | I like Champloo too. |
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| 20:05.02 | JoshBorke | when did they change the drunk effect last? |
| 20:05.08 | JoshBorke | was it patch 1.9? |
| 20:15.37 | Shouryuu | Is holy nova spammable? |
| 20:20.48 | Cide | yes |
| 20:20.55 | Cide | well, not right now, but it will be in 1.10 |
| 20:21.10 | JoshBorke | would this work like i think it will? '/script local class={"Paladin","Priest","Druid","Mage","Warlock","Hunter","Rogue","Warrior"} for c in class do GreaterBuff_Buff(c) end' |
| 20:21.23 | JoshBorke | put in a macro, each time you hit it it goes to the next class |
| 20:22.47 | Shouryuu | w00t :p |
| 20:23.12 | Cide | JoshBorke: no |
| 20:23.27 | Cide | well |
| 20:23.36 | Cide | if GreaterBuff_Buff(c) does nothing when the class is buffed, then yes |
| 20:23.44 | Cide | if it buffs that class regardless, then no |
| 20:24.06 | Cairenn | hahahahhahahaha! "a friend of mine's ex-roommates step dad got banned and the only thing he was using was the new 1.10 Custom Interface Toolkit." |
| 20:24.57 | JoshBorke | hm, how do i change it to do that? |
| 20:25.46 | Cide | JoshBorke: the easiest way to get that to work is to keep a static table where you remove one each time |
| 20:25.55 | Cide | or, better yet |
| 20:26.46 | Cide | create a table (preferably in an addon), classes = { "Paladin", "Priest", "Druid", "Mage", "Warlock", "Hunter", "Rogue", "Warrior" } |
| 20:27.17 | JoshBorke | then each time the macro is pressed, increment the index and loop around |
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| 20:27.54 | JoshBorke | yes or am i foolishly jumping ahead as usual? |
| 20:28.34 | Cide | then a macro: /script local classes = classes; local n = getn(classes); if ( classes ) then GreaterBuff_Buff(classes[n]) table.setn(classes, n-1) else table.setn(classes, 8) end |
| 20:28.48 | Cide | might be a bit of a hack to use getn/setn, but you only use one variable then |
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| 20:29.31 | Cide | oops, should be "if ( classes[n] ) then ..." |
| 20:30.30 | JoshBorke | hm, ok, and the setn doesn't remove the extra entries? |
| 20:30.48 | Cide | no |
| 20:30.52 | JoshBorke | cool beans |
| 20:31.12 | Cide | it will pause for one keypress after you have iterated over all classes |
| 20:31.25 | Cide | but I left it that way intentionally, figured it would be a good reminder to stop |
| 20:31.41 | JoshBorke | indeed |
| 20:32.12 | JoshBorke | is the global classes required though? |
| 20:32.58 | Cide | yes, if you make it local it will create a new one every time, and table.getn(classes) will always be 8 in the beginning (so you would end up buffing Warriors every time) |
| 20:34.31 | Cide | though I would pick another variable name for a global variable |
| 20:34.38 | Cide | I bet 'classes' is fairly common |
| 20:36.16 | JoshBorke | hm, ok |
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| 20:36.23 | JoshBorke | i'll just tell him he has to wait :-D |
| 20:38.50 | Guillotine | need help: I have my dkp addon sync with other users. Due to what I believe is flood resistance, after so many messages, it just stops sending. This is my current code: http://wow.pastebin.com/570846 What would be the easiest way to put in a delay? |
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| 20:41.42 | JoshBorke | (disclaimer: Not an informed recommendation). if you need to delay the sending of the data-sync, why not push it to a que then use an onupdate to process the que? |
| 20:41.55 | Guillotine | that's what I was thinking |
| 20:42.06 | Cide | that's what I did as well |
| 20:42.13 | Cide | I never noticed that it stops sending though |
| 20:42.16 | Guillotine | just using a table then once the table is clean, deleting the table so that I don't take up too much room |
| 20:42.21 | Cide | well, my 'stop' was being disconnected |
| 20:42.29 | Guillotine | that's the interesting thing |
| 20:42.36 | Guillotine | I assumed it would d/c, not stop sending |
| 20:42.39 | Guillotine | a possible change> |
| 20:42.42 | Cide | possibly |
| 20:42.54 | Guillotine | or maybe an addon the person was using automatically prevented flood d/cs? |
| 20:42.54 | Cide | I haven't had any issue since they implented raid1-40 unit ids |
| 20:43.04 | Cide | doubt that |
| 20:43.05 | Iriel | In-game flood prevention just D/C's you |
| 20:43.14 | Cide | still does? ok |
| 20:43.17 | Iriel | I bet it's a race condition or bug in the code that allows the flow to stop if something breaks |
| 20:43.30 | Guillotine | ok. then why does it stop sending messages after approximately 100 messgaes send? |
| 20:43.51 | Cide | ~100 messages regardless of any delay between them? |
| 20:44.17 | Guillotine | Iriel: that shouldn't be a problem. While my code is pretty long, it is also pretty solid |
| 20:44.19 | Guillotine | http://wow.pastebin.com/570846 |
| 20:44.28 | Guillotine | I don't htink theres anything there that does that |
| 20:46.08 | Iriel | Hm, how do you know the other end is done? |
| 20:46.15 | Iriel | Sorry, I mean, NOT done |
| 20:46.21 | Guillotine | it stops sending messages |
| 20:46.33 | Guillotine | I should probably put in a 'complete' message... |
| 20:46.35 | Guillotine | for debugging at least |
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| 20:47.20 | Iriel | I dont see the OnUpdate code in here |
| 20:47.25 | Guillotine | wait- where I have 2 foreach in a row, does the second one wait for the first to finish? |
| 20:47.31 | Guillotine | there is no OnUpdate code |
| 20:47.45 | Iriel | Yes |
| 20:48.04 | Guillotine | ok. so line 57 and 58 aren't a problem? |
| 20:48.06 | Iriel | This code should just D/C you |
| 20:48.12 | Guillotine | well it doesn't |
| 20:48.12 | Iriel | As far as I can tell |
| 20:48.20 | Guillotine | it just stops sending messages |
| 20:48.33 | Guillotine | I'd guess the other guy I was testing it with has a flood preventer addon |
| 20:48.36 | Guillotine | I've seen a coupl;e |
| 20:48.43 | Iriel | Possibly |
| 20:48.46 | Iriel | that would explain it |
| 20:48.51 | Iriel | You shouldn't dump the whole db in one go |
| 20:48.59 | Iriel | you need to stream it over time |
| 20:49.37 | Guillotine | and how would I do that? |
| 20:49.46 | Guillotine | I thought of a way, but its a bit too memory intensive I think |
| 20:49.53 | Guillotine | moving everything in the table up a slot each time |
| 20:51.26 | JoshBorke | don't move the slots, move the index |
| 20:51.34 | JoshBorke | then nil the table once you've reached the last index |
| 20:52.03 | Guillotine | shhhh. I was trying to get Iriel to right the code for me |
| 20:52.06 | Guillotine | :P |
| 20:53.03 | Iriel | Josh's suggestion is 90% there |
| 20:53.13 | Iriel | just nil the entries you're done with too, from the table |
| 20:53.21 | JoshBorke | oh blast :-P |
| 20:53.34 | Tain | Woah. "The United States won its first-ever medal in curling Friday, defeating Great Britain 8-6 in the bronze medal match of the men's curling tournament." |
| 20:54.40 | Guillotine | yay us |
| 20:54.42 | Guillotine | woo |
| 20:59.26 | GenNMX|Thrae | Whenver I see that blurb, I keep thinking of sassy hairdressers with huge hair and curling irons. |
| 20:59.40 | Cide | sweden rocks at curling |
| 20:59.44 | Tain | Oh I am pretty sure the US would win gold at that event. |
| 21:00.11 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 21:01.09 | Guillotine | ahhh... does OnUpdate still not work with hidden frames? |
| 21:01.12 | Guillotine | or has that changed? |
| 21:01.20 | Legorol | hasn't changed |
| 21:01.20 | Cide | that's a design decision I'm sure |
| 21:01.21 | Iriel | No, that hasn't changed |
| 21:01.24 | Iriel | it's very useful, in fact |
| 21:01.34 | Iriel | You can use Show/Hide as toggles |
| 21:02.14 | Guillotine | ok. then if I'm going to have my frame hidden, what should I use as the event to send messages? |
| 21:02.58 | Cide | use onupdate |
| 21:03.09 | Cide | creating a new frame isn't that bad |
| 21:03.11 | Iriel | Use OnUpdate, make a frame just for that |
| 21:03.15 | Guillotine | awwww |
| 21:03.16 | Guillotine | ok |
| 21:03.22 | Guillotine | I don't like XML... |
| 21:03.31 | Guillotine | although a blank frame isn't too bad |
| 21:05.08 | JoshBorke | http://wow.pastebin.com/570910 is what i'm currently doing. I'd like to make it be localizable |
| 21:05.40 | Guillotine | localizing that shouldn't be too hard |
| 21:05.52 | Guillotine | if someone were to give you the translations |
| 21:05.52 | Iriel | Ugh |
| 21:06.03 | Iriel | # |
| 21:06.03 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.03 | Iriel | # |
| 21:06.06 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.07 | Iriel | Why? |
| 21:06.31 | Iriel | If you need the names that much, grab them at OnLoad and stick them in variables |
| 21:06.36 | Iriel | this.name = this:GetName(); |
| 21:06.43 | Iriel | this.parentName = this:GetParent():GetName(); |
| 21:06.55 | JoshBorke | i like that, and i shall do that :-) |
| 21:07.01 | Iriel | then just do local name, parentName = this.name, this.parentName; at the top |
| 21:07.09 | JoshBorke | and to answer the original question, because i don't know any better :-) |
| 21:07.25 | Iriel | I'd say keep the identifiers inside your code in english (i.e. "paladin") |
| 21:07.34 | Iriel | And then make 'display versions' of everything that gets localized |
| 21:07.40 | Guillotine | <Frame name="SKP_UpdateFrame" parent="UIParent" hidden="false" toplevel="true"> |
| 21:07.42 | Guillotine | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.43 | Guillotine | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.45 | Guillotine | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.46 | Guillotine | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.48 | Guillotine | should be enough for an updater frame, yes? |
| 21:07.53 | Iriel | Guillotine : Dont make it toplevel, start it hidden. |
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| 21:08.03 | Guillotine | ok |
| 21:08.16 | Guillotine | and show it when, at variables loaded? |
| 21:08.23 | Iriel | Show it when you start sending |
| 21:08.29 | Iriel | have it hide itself when you run out of things to send |
| 21:08.46 | Guillotine | ahhhh |
| 21:08.48 | Guillotine | theres an idea |
| 21:08.50 | Iriel | this:Hide(); is very useful in OnUpdate's that know when they nothing else to do |
| 21:08.53 | JoshBorke | Iriel: but for the buffs that i'm casting, I have the spell set as 'CastSpellByName("Greater Blessing of "..GB_Config["blessing"])' where GB_Config["blessing"] is the text on a button |
| 21:09.04 | GenNMX|Thrae | JoshBorke: Why GB["target"] = "" instead of GB["target"] = nil? I thought "" still initialized a string. |
| 21:09.06 | Iriel | So do it this way... |
| 21:09.26 | Iriel | CastSpellByName(LOCALIZED_STUFF["Spell_" .. GB_Config["blessing"]) |
| 21:09.35 | Iriel | (I missed a ] in there) |
| 21:09.37 | Iriel | Then you'd have |
| 21:09.48 | Iriel | LOCALIZED_STUFF["Spell_Wisdom"] = "whatever"; |
| 21:10.46 | JoshBorke | ah! i see! THANK YOU! |
| 21:11.38 | Iriel | Then in your localization.lua file, you just set that table to one with the appropriate values in |
| 21:11.46 | Iriel | you can replace spell names, labels, everything, that way |
| 21:11.58 | Iriel | but still keep author-readable identifiers consistently inside the actual code |
| 21:12.36 | JoshBorke | woot, i was afraid i'd have to go back and put if statements everywhere :D |
| 21:20.27 | Iriel | GenNMX|Thrae : Regarding your question, or more specifically, the piece after it.. "" is a string value, but i'm not sure what "initialized a string" implies |
| 21:21.36 | Guillotine | what's the difference between IsShown and IsVisible? |
| 21:21.46 | JoshBorke | GenNMX|Thrae: thanks, that's a small bug :-) |
| 21:21.58 | Guillotine | nm. I got it |
| 21:25.11 | Guillotine | ty Iriel, JoshBorke and Cide |
| 21:27.24 | Iriel | Guillotine : The notion of flood protectors does raise an interesting question |
| 21:27.36 | Iriel | You may want to put a sequence number on each data point you send |
| 21:27.42 | Iriel | so you know if the recipient is missing any |
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| 21:34.56 | Guillotine | would GetTime or GetGameTime be a better way of seeing how much time has passed? |
| 21:35.21 | Guillotine | I'm thinking GetTime would be easier just b/c the format is already there |
| 21:36.39 | Guillotine | yes? no? maybe so? |
| 21:37.28 | JoshBorke | i like the recommendation the wiki gives and moderate it by calls to OnUpdate |
| 21:37.58 | JoshBorke | OnUpdate gets called approx 1000 a sec, so just have a variable inc to act as a delay |
| 21:39.10 | Guillotine | that's what I'm doing |
| 21:39.35 | Guillotine | except that theres no such values as TimeSinceLastUpdate |
| 21:39.47 | Anduin|Cowzzz | elapsed is arg |
| 21:39.49 | Anduin|Cowzzz | arg1 |
| 21:39.51 | Guillotine | I know that |
| 21:40.28 | Guillotine | oh. I see the problem with their code |
| 21:40.35 | Guillotine | they never initialize TimeSinceLastUpdate |
| 21:40.58 | JoshBorke | and they use This instead of this? |
| 21:40.58 | Guillotine | not to mentiont he second "this" is capitalized which gives an error |
| 21:41.08 | Guillotine | haha. I beat you to it :P |
| 21:41.16 | JoshBorke | :-P |
| 21:45.21 | Guillotine | http://wow.pastebin.com/570978 isn't sending anything for some reason |
| 21:45.26 | Guillotine | though no errors pop up |
| 21:45.55 | Iriel | Guillotine : OnUpdate is called with arg1 set to the number of seconds since the last frame was drawn |
| 21:46.20 | Guillotine | ok... didn't I work with that? |
| 21:46.23 | Iriel | Guillotine : So just accumulate that, be careful (a) to initialize it first and (b) to check how large it is, at login it can be huge. |
| 21:46.39 | Iriel | Guillotine : (I'm catching up as I read, so ignore me if this has been covered already 8-)) |
| 21:47.04 | Iriel | Oh, and use GetTime for elapsed time measurements outside of that, no need to worry about game time. |
| 21:47.18 | Guillotine | ahhh... I'm not really getting this |
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| 21:47.39 | Iriel | Personally, I prefer this approach: |
| 21:47.56 | Iriel | this.NextUpdate = this.NextUpdate - arg1; |
| 21:48.01 | Iriel | if (this.NextUpdate <= 0) then |
| 21:48.02 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.03 | Iriel | end |
| 21:48.07 | Iriel | Though i'd write it as |
| 21:48.17 | Iriel | local nu = this.NextUpdate - arg1; |
| 21:48.21 | Iriel | if (nu <= 0) then |
| 21:48.24 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.36 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.37 | Iriel | else |
| 21:48.41 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.41 | Iriel | end |
| 21:48.59 | Crispix | me ish back :D |
| 21:49.01 | JoshBorke | Guillotine: if (not SKP_UpdateFrame:IsVisible() ) then ... end |
| 21:49.04 | JoshBorke | wb Crispix |
| 21:49.13 | JoshBorke | OnUpdate only gets called on visible frames |
| 21:49.17 | JoshBorke | i think |
| 21:49.22 | Iriel | Actually, i'd put the interval set before the --stuff |
| 21:49.37 | Iriel | JoshBorke is correct, OnUpdate isn't called for frames that aren't visible |
| 21:49.43 | Guillotine | Josh: already have that |
| 21:49.48 | Guillotine | except I used IsShown |
| 21:49.48 | Iriel | But, that bit of code isn't there |
| 21:49.52 | Iriel | It's more efficient to do |
| 21:49.55 | Guillotine | so it doesn't constantly show it if the UIParent is hidden |
| 21:50.02 | Iriel | X:Show() than if (not X:IsShown()) then X:Show(); end |
| 21:50.19 | Iriel | You shouldn'y give it a parent if you want this to work when the UI is hidden |
| 21:50.26 | Guillotine | true... |
| 21:50.50 | Iriel | But anyway, the UI is smart enough be efficient about showing a shown frame |
| 21:50.55 | Iriel | so you can avoid that check |
| 21:51.10 | Guillotine | I can just do SKP_UpdateFrame:Show() ? |
| 21:51.30 | Iriel | And you should do this:Hide() instead of SKP_UpdateFrame |
| 21:51.33 | Iriel | Yes, yo ucan |
| 21:51.55 | Iriel | The latter (hide thing) is mostly personal preference, but it does mean if something bad happens to your global, your update handler still turns itself off |
| 21:52.35 | Guillotine | now I don't really get your thing up there about local nu |
| 21:52.46 | Guillotine | nowhere in there do I tell it how much time I want it to wait |
| 21:52.51 | JoshBorke | instead of counting up, you count down |
| 21:53.09 | Iriel | Yes, and when your timer expires, you do: this.NextUpdate = SKP_updateInterval; |
| 21:53.10 | Guillotine | Josh: I get that |
| 21:53.16 | Iriel | which sets the next period |
| 21:53.17 | Guillotine | ahh. ok |
| 21:53.24 | JoshBorke | yea, i was just about to put that bit :-) |
| 21:53.34 | Iriel | The local is just there to avoid repeatedly dereferencing this.NextUpdate |
| 21:53.57 | Iriel | Lua IS fast at table references (especially when the value is THERE) |
| 21:54.09 | Iriel | but that doesn't mean it's not worth avoiding redundant references |
| 21:54.19 | Iriel | especially in OnUpdate handlers |
| 21:55.01 | Iriel | I would also nil out the message queue |
| 21:55.03 | Iriel | or table.setn it to 0 |
| 21:55.09 | Iriel | rather than replacing it with a new empty table |
| 21:55.17 | Iriel | nilling it is probably best |
| 21:55.25 | Iriel | (When the timer runs out, that is) |
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| 21:55.34 | Shouryuu | rawrr |
| 21:55.51 | Iriel | your send message already handles re-creating if it's empty |
| 21:56.30 | Iriel | though I suppose, this way around, you avoid an extra test in the OnUpdate |
| 21:56.38 | Iriel | which might be a better thing |
| 21:57.06 | Guillotine | hey shouryuu |
| 21:57.13 | Guillotine | how you like the new priest changes? |
| 21:57.14 | JoshBorke | 1 |2 35(@|23|) |
| 21:57.15 | Iriel | But since you control whether the OnUpdate is running, it's arguable that youd need that test |
| 21:57.45 | Shouryuu | I love them |
| 21:57.54 | Shouryuu | I've been hyper since |
| 21:58.08 | Crispix | anyone wanna see something spiffeh? |
| 21:58.13 | Guillotine | they look awesome :) though I think the holy final talent should have a slightly lower cooldown but require a reagent (maybe a 5 min cooldown) |
| 21:58.14 | JoshBorke | sure |
| 21:58.25 | Crispix | http://www-assets.eyeglasses.com/dyn/frame_large/708982804.jpg <--$220 dollar glasses frames... |
| 21:58.26 | JoshBorke | reagent ftl :-( |
| 21:58.30 | Crispix | My new glasses set. |
| 21:59.16 | Shouryuu | yeah lightwell downs't look that good, b ut I guess we'll actualy have to *try* it before judging |
| 21:59.26 | Shouryuu | it's completly new so it's hard to judge |
| 21:59.37 | Crispix | its a bad picture |
| 21:59.47 | Crispix | the frame thing is completely unique. |
| 21:59.58 | JoshBorke | it just looks like it bends... |
| 22:00.47 | Crispix | http://www.theyedoctor.com/images/products/02007050.JPG |
| 22:00.49 | Crispix | better picture |
| 22:01.09 | Guillotine | its glasses... |
| 22:01.12 | JoshBorke | ciao |
| 22:01.14 | *** part/#wowi-lounge JoshBorke (n=Josh@jak-579.stl.gtri.gatech.edu) |
| 22:01.28 | Guillotine | I wouldn't exactly call that "spiffeh" crispix ;) |
| 22:02.20 | Guillotine | http://wow.pastebin.com/571005 is still sending nothing |
| 22:02.23 | Guillotine | though there are no errors |
| 22:06.16 | Guillotine | anyone have any idea? |
| 22:06.18 | Guillotine | Iriel? |
| 22:11.55 | Guillotine | anyone there? |
| 22:12.38 | Josh|Working | because the chatmessage send is commented out? |
| 22:13.53 | Guillotine | no. line 28 |
| 22:13.57 | Guillotine | that one is seperate |
| 22:14.55 | Josh|Working | print it to the chatframe |
| 22:22.33 | Josh|Working | ok, later |
| 22:24.50 | Tain | Oh yeah, G15 thread. |
| 22:26.29 | ForgottenLords | Another G15 thread asking how to get the LCD working with WoW? |
| 22:26.56 | Tain | Well, asking for "official blue response." |
| 22:27.54 | wowguru-1234 | i fell asleep lol |
| 22:28.01 | wowguru-1234 | the client patch is working |
| 22:28.04 | wowguru-1234 | dances! |
| 22:28.27 | wowguru-1234 | maybe i can play it today! |
| 22:29.02 | wowguru-1234 | id be so happy if it works |
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| 22:35.06 | wowguru-1234 | bye byeremember xrowiz thanks for the help u guys |
| 22:35.06 | Guillotine_ | Cair: need approval on SKP if you're there |
| 22:35.15 | Guillotine_ | also, it dissapeared from the BetaInterface folder for some reason |
| 22:35.18 | Guillotine_ | though its still accessable |
| 22:35.23 | Guillotine_ | and it did that before I uploaded the new version |
| 22:36.34 | Cairenn|afk | Guillotine, boy are you ever slow |
| 22:37.20 | Cairenn|afk | ;) |
| 22:39.08 | Tain | hahah I only just now saw this. |
| 22:39.13 | Tain | " a friend of mine's ex-roommates step dad got banned and the only thing he was using was the new 1.10 Custom Interface Toolkit." |
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| 22:39.47 | Cairenn|afk | I copied that to here ages ago :p |
| 22:40.07 | Tain | That's why I said I only just now saw it, because I was sure I was behind the times. :) |
| 22:40.12 | Cairenn|afk | ;) |
| 22:40.40 | Cairenn|afk | wow, Iriel, you've been promoted to "Troll" now? I'm impressed! |
| 22:41.20 | Tain | Besides, I used up all of my free braincells today trying to figure out women. I know, I know, that's as much of a futile effort as asking for G15 support in WoW. ;) |
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| 22:41.49 | wowguru-1402 | im back |
| 22:41.51 | wowguru-1402 | i tried the patch |
| 22:41.56 | wowguru-1402 | it corrupted |
| 22:41.57 | wowguru-1402 | grr |
| 22:42.05 | wowguru-1402 | i try later i be back later |
| 22:42.07 | wowguru-1402 | im sick of game |
| 22:42.12 | Cairenn|afk | wait 2 sec |
| 22:42.21 | Cairenn|afk | lemme find a link for you to try |
| 22:42.23 | wowguru-1402 | ok |
| 22:42.36 | wowguru-1402 | ive been getting em from mmofiles |
| 22:42.55 | Cairenn|afk | Something completely different |
| 22:42.56 | wowguru-1402 | its the client patch thing that fails |
| 22:43.00 | Cairenn|afk | go to here: http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01669p |
| 22:43.06 | wowguru-1402 | the client patch is what fails |
| 22:43.06 | Cairenn|afk | download the Repair Utility |
| 22:43.12 | wowguru-1402 | i got that |
| 22:43.19 | Cairenn|afk | try running it first, then see if you can patch up |
| 22:43.34 | wowguru-1402 | i did |
| 22:43.47 | wowguru-1402 | oh well |
| 22:43.52 | Cairenn|afk | =/ |
| 22:43.52 | wowguru-1402 | i will be back later |
| 22:43.56 | wowguru-1402 | darn game |
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| 23:03.54 | Kremonte | well, my computer got totally boned |
| 23:04.31 | Kremonte | reformatting is fun and exciting though |
| 23:04.58 | Cairenn | so is watching paint dry, if you think that is :p |
| 23:05.14 | Kremonte | i didn't laugh :-( |
| 23:05.28 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.35 | Kremonte | stupid motherboard made everything 20x more complicated |
| 23:05.42 | Kremonte | now linux won't boot, windows won't boot |
| 23:05.57 | Kremonte | and the windows cd is loading like 20 drivers for every possible hardware configuratoin |
| 23:06.32 | Kremonte | ...and it didn't detect my drives |
| 23:06.46 | Kremonte | what the hell |
| 23:07.38 | Kremonte | um, can anyone suggest a good motherboard manufacturer |
| 23:07.40 | Kremonte | >_> |
| 23:08.34 | Cairenn | :( |
| 23:08.47 | Guillotine_ | not whatever one you're using? |
| 23:08.54 | Kremonte | lol |
| 23:08.56 | Kremonte | 'lo iriel |
| 23:09.05 | Kremonte | you use an ASUS, right? i might overnight one |
| 23:09.16 | Iriel | Kremonte : For Windows, you need to install the RAID driver to see those other drivers. |
| 23:09.24 | Iriel | Kremonte : Yes, i'm happy with my asus. |
| 23:09.30 | Kremonte | yeah um, complication isn;t my thing ^^; |
| 23:09.37 | Kremonte | well then, an ASUS it is! |
| 23:09.53 | Iriel | Just make sure it supports the appropriate number of PATA drives 8-) |
| 23:10.02 | Kremonte | har har har /cry |
| 23:10.33 | Kremonte | wait, so regular IDE = PATA? |
| 23:10.41 | Iriel | Cairenn : I did think my new Troll status was funny. |
| 23:10.44 | Iriel | Yes, Parallel ATA |
| 23:10.46 | Kremonte | ohh. |
| 23:10.50 | Kremonte | good to know |
| 23:11.21 | Iriel | (ATA Drives on IDE bus = PATA, in the terminology of recent days) |
| 23:11.33 | Kremonte | hehe |
| 23:12.56 | Iriel | Guillotine did you figure out your issue? |
| 23:13.01 | Guillotine | yup |
| 23:13.05 | Guillotine | everythings all good :) |
| 23:13.18 | Guillotine | and it even makes a Murloc aggro sound when it finishes |
| 23:13.41 | Anduin|Cowzzz | lol.. So i find out I can remove 20 lines of code by just makign an if statement more robust... of course I find this out after adding a feature right bellow that's about 20 lines... |
| 23:13.44 | Kremonte | there's only 3 ASUS boards with socket 775, PCIE, ATX with 2 PATA slots |
| 23:13.45 | Kremonte | is that normal? |
| 23:13.53 | Kremonte | or did i mess up somewhere :p |
| 23:14.31 | Kremonte | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131566R hmm |
| 23:14.46 | Kremonte | refurbished (but i have all necessary parts), only $45 with cheap shipping |
| 23:15.39 | Anduin|Cowzzz | PATA? |
| 23:15.50 | Kremonte | PATAcake PATAcake! |
| 23:16.08 | Kremonte | PATA (or lack thereof) is the reason for my hardware woes at the moment |
| 23:16.55 | Anduin|Cowzzz | what is it? |
| 23:17.06 | Kremonte | parallel IDE, according to Iriel :P |
| 23:17.17 | Kremonte | the slots normal hdd's and drives go into |
| 23:17.19 | Anduin|Cowzzz | O.o |
| 23:17.36 | Kremonte | er, parallel ATA :p |
| 23:17.47 | Anduin|Cowzzz | mmmk... |
| 23:17.52 | Anduin|Cowzzz | SATA ftw |
| 23:17.59 | Kremonte | sata is evil |
| 23:18.01 | Kremonte | evil! |
| 23:18.36 | Crispix | SATA is nice.... but can be evil |
| 23:19.29 | Anduin|Cowzzz | haven't had any problems, but then i haven't tried to build a compy with sata |
| 23:20.04 | Crispix | Does annyone here know of any mods that let you move the party member frames? |
| 23:20.13 | Crispix | like if I want to rearrange them? |
| 23:20.14 | Kremonte | omgz visor |
| 23:20.37 | Iriel | PATA in contrast with SATA |
| 23:20.38 | Anduin|Cowzzz | MobileFrames |
| 23:20.43 | Anduin|Cowzzz | or any number of other mods |
| 23:20.51 | Crispix | mobile frames? |
| 23:20.58 | Crispix | got a link to that so I can see what it does? |
| 23:21.07 | Anduin|Cowzzz | it lets you move everything |
| 23:21.10 | Crispix | I just wanna move my party members windows.... thats all |
| 23:21.21 | Crispix | Move Anything was wayyyyy too damn confusing |
| 23:21.47 | Anduin|Cowzzz | http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=408 |
| 23:23.08 | Kremonte | wow, 3day shippingis $1... overnight is $23 |
| 23:23.27 | Anduin|Cowzzz | if you just want party mobile you can do: 1) /mf disable 2) /mf enable PartyMemberFrames 3) /mobile anchors 4) move party frames where you want 5) /mobile anchors |
| 23:23.55 | Crispix | And what about the 'targeted' creature frame? |
| 23:24.01 | Crispix | which is that? |
| 23:24.14 | Anduin|Cowzzz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.36 | Anduin|Cowzzz | it's all enabled my default if you don't /mf disable |
| 23:24.43 | Anduin|Cowzzz | by* |
| 23:25.12 | Kremonte | oky, could i get a quick opinion? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813131566R overnight = $67, which is $15 less than my current mobo (the evil one). good? |
| 23:25.30 | Crispix | So |
| 23:25.37 | Crispix | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.37 | Crispix | & target frames where you want 6) /mobile anchors |
| 23:25.48 | Anduin|Cowzzz | check for it at a local store and see if you can avoid the shipping |
| 23:26.03 | Anduin|Cowzzz | right |
| 23:26.40 | Iriel | Against my better judgement, I'm adding to the G15 thread |
| 23:26.48 | Crispix | Anyone have any screenshots of a raid in progress with more than 5 people in a party before I go abouts doing this? |
| 23:27.01 | Crispix | I've got an idea, but I'm not sure I'm going to do it right |
| 23:27.18 | Anduin|Cowzzz | the G15 is leet for WC3 |
| 23:27.27 | Crispix | The max # of players that can be shown on a players status bar is 5 right? |
| 23:27.34 | Iriel | Kremonte : Looks fine from that page, if you feel paranoid a quick web search for anyone having problems with installing one might be helpful |
| 23:27.53 | Anduin|Cowzzz | player + pet + 4xparty +4xpartypets |
| 23:28.08 | Crispix | Figured that much.. ok.. |
| 23:28.15 | Crispix | so I can expand those up across the main screen |
| 23:28.20 | Crispix | spiffy |
| 23:30.11 | Anduin|Cowzzz | drag the top party member to move them all or drag them individually |
| 23:32.39 | Tain | Honestly I'm just glad the focus of the G15 is on the LCD, and not the macros. |
| 23:33.14 | Tain | All it would take is for someone to post up some specific follow by number macros to automate certain things, and people would rush out to buy them. |
| 23:33.24 | Crispix | err.. mobile frames didn't work o_O |
| 23:34.28 | Kremonte | hm, Iriel: there are agood deal of BIOS problems it seems, remediable, you think? |
| 23:35.07 | Iriel | Kremonte ; It depends, if they'r eof the "update the BIOS" variety, or "My 15 year old hardware doesn't work right" then yes, Do you have a specific link? |
| 23:35.38 | Anduin|Cowzzz | "didn't work" is no where near descriptive enough to formulate any suggestions for possible solutions |
| 23:35.42 | Kremonte | http://www.newegg.com/Product/CustratingReview.asp?item=N82E16813131566 |
| 23:35.56 | Kremonte | looks like it needs a BIOS upgrade outof the box |
| 23:36.46 | Crispix | hrm... mobile frames doesn't seem to work |
| 23:36.58 | Iriel | For a certain class of processor, yes |
| 23:37.12 | Iriel | Kremonte : Are you putting an 800 or 900 series processor in it? |
| 23:37.23 | Kremonte | i have no idea how to tell :-) |
| 23:37.34 | Kremonte | i have the cpu box in my hands tho |
| 23:38.04 | Iriel | does it have a 3 digit series number on it? |
| 23:38.20 | Iriel | Like 830, or 940, or something? |
| 23:38.21 | Kremonte | intel p4 630 |
| 23:38.31 | Tain | 630!@!?$? |
| 23:38.35 | Tain | I have no idea what that means. |
| 23:38.45 | Kremonte | you are a qt3.14159 tain |
| 23:39.00 | Tain | Hey, that was my mom's AOL screenname you know. |
| 23:39.01 | Iriel | I think you're fine |
| 23:39.02 | Tain | Or, somethign similar. |
| 23:39.16 | Kremonte | well then |
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| 23:39.19 | Kremonte | OVERNIGHTAHOY~! |
| 23:39.28 | Iriel | http://www.8anet.com/merchant.ihtml?pid=2841&step=4 |
| 23:39.31 | Tain | What are you doing chatting with my mom on aol anyway? |
| 23:39.34 | Iriel | Those ones are the ones that need the BIOS update |
| 23:39.44 | Kremonte | tain: qt pi |
| 23:39.44 | Iriel | Probably the same tihng everyone else does Tain |
| 23:39.49 | Tain | Baked ziti, freshly made bread, roasted garlic for dinner. |
| 23:39.51 | Kremonte | thilly |
| 23:40.10 | Kremonte | yeah iriel, its not a pentium D |
| 23:40.28 | Iriel | We're going to order chinese |
| 23:40.33 | Iriel | Dragon 2000 FTW |
| 23:40.52 | Iriel | http://www.dragon2k.com/ |
| 23:41.03 | Tain | There's a Chinese place near my parents that has some of the best roast duck I've ever had. |
| 23:41.13 | Tain | I don't know if I'll manage to not stop there every day. |
| 23:41.48 | Crispix | Thats not duck... thats what they want you to believe is duck. *mischevious cackle* |
| 23:42.27 | Tain | It could be fresh suckling babies for all I care, it tastes damn good. |
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| 23:42.51 | Iriel | I've noticed that 'Crispix' is suspiciously close to 'Crispy Duck' |
| 23:43.09 | Anduin|Cowzzz | crispix is a ceriel |
| 23:43.19 | Anduin|Cowzzz | a tasty and healthy one too |
| 23:44.17 | Tain | Yes, the grocery store had both Rice Chex and Corn Chex on sale last week, so I made my own. |
| 23:44.44 | Anduin|Cowzzz | :) |
| 23:45.13 | Kremonte | haha, with the RMA + overnight purchase |
| 23:45.24 | Kremonte | i'm spending a net total of $-12.60 on this new mobo |
| 23:45.44 | Tain | That's a steal! |
| 23:45.48 | Anduin|Cowzzz | are you gonna get it yesterday too? |
| 23:46.04 | Kremonte | Anduin|Cowzzz: maybe, i wish it will arrive 5 minutes ago though |
| 23:52.58 | Crispix | Anduin,,, you said 4 party members max .. right? |
| 23:53.06 | Crispix | me + 4 others.. or me +3 others? |
| 23:53.49 | Anduin|Cowzzz | player + 4xparty |
| 23:54.16 | Cairenn | boy oh boy oh boy, facts you never wanted to hear ... the "cheese" used by McDonald's is 1 chemical away from plastic |
| 23:54.44 | Cairenn | not that I ever eat at McDonald's, but still |
| 23:55.23 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 23:55.23 | Shouryuu | at least it's quick food, and it feeds you |
| 23:56.32 | Tain | Can you inline an image in a post on the blizz forums? I don't see it listed. |
| 23:57.23 | Anduin|Cowzzz | grr never enough time |
| 23:58.22 | Crispix | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=16955#post16955 |
