| 00:02.24 | AnduinLothar | meh. hoping it won't be a long term problem. it's only really for libs, trying to work on a better system with cosmos |
| 00:02.45 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 00:18.55 | Cairenn | anyone have any suggestions on how to get something to stop bleeding, besides the good 'ol "teabag as gauze pad" remedy? |
| 00:19.42 | Cairenn | I thought I knew most of them, but damned if I can get this to stop bleeding |
| 00:19.43 | AnduinLothar | depends on what it is. Normal method is pressure or cut off it's circulation |
| 00:20.17 | AnduinLothar | ice works too for a temp solution |
| 00:20.19 | Cairenn | tooth extraction about ... ummm, 4 hrs? ... ago .... still bleeding like a son of a gun, will not stop ... |
| 00:20.41 | MentalPower | ouch, those aren't nice |
| 00:20.52 | Cairenn | (hence my not being particularly coherent - go go Tylenol 3's |
| 00:21.12 | AnduinLothar | ya, i would ice it, but i have a high pain tolerance. |
| 00:21.35 | Cairenn | I do too, for most things ... not for anything having to do with my mouth though |
| 00:21.52 | AnduinLothar | I chew ice on a regular basis so it's nothing new |
| 00:22.09 | Cairenn | frustrated though, usually the teabag works great |
| 00:22.20 | AnduinLothar | never tried that one |
| 00:22.55 | Cairenn | regular tea, not herbal ... the tanic (sp?) acid in it promotes clotting |
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| 00:23.02 | AnduinLothar | enough pressure for a long enough time usually works. hard to put pressure on the inside of your mouth tho unless you keep your mouth shut |
| 00:23.12 | Cairenn | :p |
| 00:23.51 | Iriel | Perhaps use actual gauze, and dont drink anything.l |
| 00:23.55 | Cairenn | I've had gauze or teabag-as-gauze clenched between my teeth for 4 hrs now |
| 00:24.11 | Iriel | Hm, you may want to call the dentist and check that's normal |
| 00:24.34 | Cairenn | it isn't, but they are closed at this point |
| 00:24.38 | Iriel | I've had significant dental work before and it's never bled that long. |
| 00:24.44 | Iriel | They dont have an emergency number? |
| 00:25.09 | Cairenn | nope ... go to hospital or emergency medical clinic |
| 00:25.29 | AnduinLothar | sad day |
| 00:25.54 | Cairenn | anyway, nm, was just wondering if anyone had any other suggestions beyond the usual |
| 00:26.17 | Iriel | usually all i've done is wait for it to stop, and use salt water to rinse out the blood afterwards |
| 00:26.35 | Iriel | I dont believe salt water helps the clotting process any more tho |
| 00:26.50 | Cairenn | nope, but it does help the healing |
| 00:26.58 | Cairenn | will start the salt water rinses tomorrow |
| 00:27.09 | AnduinLothar | it tastes horrible, it must be good for you |
| 00:27.20 | Cairenn | warm salt water rinse? no it doesn't |
| 00:27.34 | AnduinLothar | bleh |
| 00:28.10 | Cairenn | besides, you aren't supposed to swallow it, just rinse :p |
| 00:29.57 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 00:36.28 | Legorol | someone just asked on EU UI how you convert seconds to minutes:seconds |
| 00:36.41 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 00:36.52 | AnduinLothar | majic |
| 00:36.57 | Legorol | i was very very tempted to recommend him not to ever consider writing a computer program ever again |
| 00:37.07 | Tain | Maybe they only use metric seconds. |
| 00:37.15 | Legorol | lol Tain |
| 00:37.18 | Legorol | what other kind is there? |
| 00:37.26 | Legorol | oh nvm |
| 00:37.28 | Legorol | d'oh |
| 00:38.00 | Legorol | anyways, i decided to be helpful instead so told the guy to think about how many minutes is 120 seconds, and how many is 150 |
| 00:38.09 | Legorol | if he can figure that out, he's got the solution ;-) |
| 00:40.53 | futr-sleep | there is a WoW function to do that too |
| 00:40.54 | AnduinLothar | i actually wrote an inline converter for that a few days ago for a item spawning timer |
| 00:42.53 | futr-sleep | SecondsToTime(seconds) |
| 00:43.14 | futr-sleep | no need to write a new one |
| 00:43.22 | Shadowd | Thats not in 05:30 type of format though |
| 00:43.39 | futr-sleep | true |
| 00:43.55 | futr-sleep | 5 Hrs 30 Mins |
| 00:43.55 | Shadowd | Unless you want to replace Min(s) with :, and remove seconds I guess. |
| 00:45.03 | futr-sleep | then there's the func I use at http://wow.pastebin.com/566014 |
| 00:45.20 | MentalPower | ok, noob question: what format is the arg1 of the OnUpdates in, seconds, milliseconds, frames? |
| 00:45.31 | futr-sleep | seconds |
| 00:45.50 | futr-sleep | 0.023 etc |
| 00:46.31 | MentalPower | ah, I see |
| 00:47.49 | MentalPower | thanks |
| 00:47.52 | futr-sleep | np |
| 00:49.11 | Legorol | the story continues.. |
| 00:49.12 | Legorol | http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-en&t=34566&p=1&tmp=1#post34566 |
| 00:49.26 | Legorol | i guess i will throw him a bone |
| 00:50.22 | futr-sleep | copy/paste the code I posted ;'] |
| 00:51.07 | MentalPower | OMG, I think the poster needs some sleep |
| 00:51.32 | futr-sleep | wow, he wants to make an addon, but doesn't know or want to figure out how to do simple math in lua?! |
| 00:52.31 | Cairenn | we all started somewhere .... |
| 00:53.09 | futr-sleep | true... this goes a bit far though |
| 00:54.42 | Cairenn | meh |
| 00:55.04 | Legorol | d'oh |
| 00:56.02 | Cairenn | take a lot more than that to offend me |
| 00:56.32 | Cairenn | even if I am in screaming pain and would just as like to rip your face off as to speak to you |
| 00:57.14 | futr-sleep | dentists didn't give you pain meds? |
| 00:57.26 | Cairenn | nope |
| 00:57.27 | futr-sleep | dentist* |
| 00:57.49 | futr-sleep | what dental work did you have done? |
| 00:57.57 | Cairenn | still had some T3s around the house though, so meh, I'm fine |
| 00:58.00 | Cairenn | tooth extraction |
| 00:58.08 | futr-sleep | I am suprised |
| 00:58.46 | Cairenn | not any big deal, that was as much to make Legorol chuckle as anything |
| 00:59.00 | Cairenn | the idea that little me could actually physically hurt someone :p |
| 00:59.03 | futr-sleep | I know your pain though, I've had 4 teeth out in all, 2 impacted, one of those a wisdom |
| 00:59.31 | futr-sleep | all healthy so nerves were working fine |
| 00:59.57 | Legorol | I'm releived i only have had 1 pulled |
| 01:01.02 | futr-away | womens figure skating on, later guys |
| 01:01.14 | Cairenn | later futr-away |
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| 01:07.02 | Legorol | and people like that who can't convert seconds to minutes get a paid job as programmers |
| 01:07.04 | Legorol | life is not fair |
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| 01:14.37 | Cairenn | wheee, netsplit |
| 01:14.37 | Cairenn | wb |
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| 01:56.33 | ForgottenLords | gorram... I hate farming Air Elementals |
| 02:02.16 | Corrodias | it amazes me that WoW manages to be interesting |
| 02:02.40 | Corrodias | the constant requirements for farming, grinding, or travelling is mind-numbing |
| 02:02.52 | Corrodias | *are |
| 02:03.09 | Wob | I find it's often the people playing that make the game interesting nowadays |
| 02:03.28 | Corrodias | ah, of course |
| 02:04.48 | Cairenn | Blizz forums still down for everyone else? |
| 02:06.34 | Shadowd | Some forums are down for me, but i'm logged in and can view some of them. |
| 02:07.26 | Wob | I seem to have no problem viewing the ui forum |
| 02:08.06 | Iriel | Up for me |
| 02:08.13 | Iriel | Well, the UI forum, anyway |
| 02:08.19 | Cairenn | Blizz hates me, I knew it! |
| 02:08.20 | Iriel | which is the only one I read anymore |
| 02:08.32 | Legorol | da rest of da forumz dosn't metta! |
| 02:08.33 | Shadowd | General forums are up, so it's all good |
| 02:08.37 | Legorol | give us da UI! |
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| 02:27.47 | Cairenn | okay, that's really odd ... I keep having to delete my cookies for the Blizz forums after they crash, or they won't load for m |
| 02:27.51 | Cairenn | me* |
| 02:28.58 | Iriel | yeah, that happens to me also |
| 02:29.45 | Cairenn | but they *will* load in IE |
| 02:29.47 | Cairenn | just not FF |
| 02:29.48 | Wobin_ | PS Tain: Calling your addon mods "Tain"ted is on the one hand inspired, and on the other hand fantastically horrific =) |
| 02:35.45 | Tem|Ony | so... what's up |
| 02:35.58 | Cairenn | sun, moon, stars, ceiling |
| 02:36.20 | Cairenn | clouds, birds |
| 02:36.22 | ckknight | they shut down my realm for the third time today |
| 02:36.25 | Wobin_ | Onyixia |
| 02:36.34 | Tem|Ony | yeah Ony's a boring fight |
| 02:36.40 | Tem|Ony | so I figured I'd come chat... |
| 02:37.00 | Shadowd | Go train the whelp pit to your group at 1% |
| 02:37.11 | Tem|Ony | yeah not a cool idea |
| 02:37.12 | Wobin_ | Sigh. Last.FM isn't giving me the music I want =P |
| 02:37.32 | Wobin_ | Randomise faster, damnit |
| 02:38.46 | Codayus | Tagged along on a pug ony group the other day |
| 02:38.53 | Codayus | got her in two tries. |
| 02:39.06 | Codayus | dropped my hat...lost the roll. blah. |
| 02:40.17 | Codayus | hmm, with about 5 more raiders my guild could start killing her again. but....recruiting takes effort and stuff. suck. |
| 02:47.58 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.06 | Cairenn | I'm such a soft touch :p |
| 02:48.58 | Cairenn | let the guy talk me into sending him my old UI after all ... |
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| 03:02.36 | ToastTheif | Didn't Rowne or someone make a fix for that annoying minimizing sound bug? |
| 03:03.21 | Cairenn | don't recall ToastTheif, sorry |
| 03:03.35 | ToastTheif | I sware Rowne did |
| 03:03.40 | ToastTheif | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmz |
| 03:03.44 | Cairenn | check the ace forums then :p |
| 03:04.29 | ToastTheif | I did |
| 03:04.33 | ToastTheif | couldn't find it ^^ |
| 03:05.14 | Cairenn | pop into Ace channel, see if any of them are awake over there and remember |
| 03:05.28 | Cairenn | ##ace |
| 03:07.51 | ToastTheif | on it! |
| 03:12.16 | Cairenn | guess no one is really awake over there, either |
| 03:12.17 | cladhaire | switchfix |
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| 03:21.37 | digix | anyone in here know about DFM? |
| 03:22.02 | Cairenn | lol, doubt if you are talking about what that brings to mind for me |
| 03:22.24 | digix | oh? |
| 03:22.35 | Cairenn | funny how some acronyms stick with you |
| 03:22.41 | digix | lol |
| 03:22.46 | Cairenn | dead man floating ... necro spell back in EQ |
| 03:22.53 | digix | ahhhhh, heh |
| 03:24.00 | digix | im trying to get a custom texture into my discord frame modifier and i just cant seem to get it pick any of them up |
| 03:24.11 | Wobin_ | funny. I'd mentally assigned another definition to that acronym... |
| 03:24.21 | Wobin_ | And it did involve necros of a sort =P |
| 03:24.35 | Cairenn | well, I also just looked at it again, and realized that I switched letters around ... |
| 03:24.38 | Cairenn | duh |
| 03:25.12 | Cairenn | digix ... what is it doing when it isn't working? |
| 03:25.48 | Cairenn | ... that made sense, didn't it? |
| 03:25.52 | digix | the textures just dont show up in the list in DFM to change it on the selected frame |
| 03:26.32 | digix | ive put them in the Addons\DiscordFrameModifier\CustomTextures folder and no dice |
| 03:26.50 | Cairenn | haven't used it, so don't know ... presume he has a readme? |
| 03:27.19 | digix | heh, looked at that too..... the discord guys are horrible with their readme's; no help there either |
| 03:27.35 | Cairenn | you've made sure that the file dimensions are power of two? |
| 03:28.59 | Cairenn | what file type did you save as? |
| 03:29.06 | digix | yeah, even tried using one of the textures off wowtextures.com |
| 03:29.11 | digix | .tga |
| 03:29.38 | Cairenn | (no idea what sort of experience you have dealing with graphics, no insult to your intelligence intended) |
| 03:30.08 | digix | none taken, im definitely not a graphics master |
| 03:31.09 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 03:31.28 | Cairenn | okay, hang on, lemme register so I can download one of these, but... |
| 03:32.02 | digix | lol, tried looking at the default structure too..... the CustomTextures folder isnt in by default |
| 03:32.30 | digix | and none of the user-created interfaces on there used custom textures in DFM, they all used DART |
| 03:32.41 | Ktron | digix; try selecting a texture, and see where they have the actual texture location displayed? try changing the location to your textures |
| 03:32.51 | Ktron | and click add or hit enter or something like that, if I remember correctly |
| 03:33.43 | Cairenn | okay, digix, which one(s) did you download? |
| 03:33.59 | digix | alright, im just trying to change the minimap border frame; the default texture listed for that frame is "Interface\Minimap\UI-Minimap-Border" |
| 03:34.14 | digix | i got discord frame modifier 1.1 |
| 03:34.40 | Cairenn | no no .... from the wowtextures site |
| 03:35.06 | digix | ohhhhh, its the darksummonspecial unders user albums -> larry |
| 03:35.37 | digix | its a 256x256 .tga |
| 03:36.44 | Cairenn | lordy the site is slow, isn't it? |
| 03:36.54 | digix | a lil bit, yeah.... lol |
| 03:38.51 | digix | it all seems right, but the texture just isnt being recognized or something... or i fat fingered a small detail that i havent noticed, lol |
| 03:41.23 | Cairenn | how were you able to download it? left click, or right click save as? |
| 03:41.41 | Cairenn | right click save as, saves it as a jpg, not a tga |
| 03:41.42 | digix | left click and firefox asked where i wanted to save it... :) |
| 03:41.57 | Cairenn | It fussed at me, kept giving me an error msg |
| 03:42.04 | digix | hmmmmm |
| 03:42.22 | Cairenn | but yeah, dimensions are fine |
| 03:43.08 | Cairenn | dunno, can't really help much since I've never tried DFM |
| 03:43.39 | digix | 'tis alright, ill figure it out... thanks for the help though Cair <3 |
| 03:43.41 | Cairenn | try posting in Loz's forums, I guess |
| 03:45.48 | Cairenn | downloaded it, trying to go through and find readmes, see if I can make heads or tails of them |
| 03:48.02 | digix | hrm, i got it, lol |
| 03:48.26 | Cairenn | and the problem was? |
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| 03:48.37 | digix | i typed in the full path in the texture box from the WoW folder (ie. interface\addon\etc) and it applied it..... |
| 03:48.50 | digix | their drop-down box just sucks |
| 03:48.52 | Guillotine | its so annoying when people rate down your addon b/c what they thought it did is not great, but they never tried it to see what it really does |
| 03:48.53 | digix | rofl |
| 03:49.36 | Cairenn | digix: well, cool, glad it's working now :p |
| 03:49.48 | Cairenn | and, ummm, readme? what readme ... how incredibly frustrating |
| 03:50.13 | Cairenn | Guillotine: bleh ... |
| 03:50.17 | Cairenn | Guillotine: which site? |
| 03:50.26 | Wobin_ | one cannot be told what the DFM is, one must experience it for oneself? |
| 03:50.47 | digix | yeah, apparently Discord has never heard of a "readme" |
| 03:51.19 | Cairenn | Wobin_: the only rating that really truly matters is your own ... if your mod does what you want it to do and looks the way you want it to look ... the rest of the world can go pound |
| 03:51.37 | Cairenn | beyond that .... go by number of downloads .... it's a much truer number |
| 03:51.57 | Cairenn | and how many people have it as a favorite |
| 03:52.14 | Wobin_ | Aye |
| 03:52.28 | Wobin_ | And Guill? Panda? Fantastic =) |
| 03:52.52 | Cairenn | but seriously ... code for yourself ... if you code for others, you'll burn out ... yes, the "approval" of others can be nice, but ... |
| 03:53.04 | Guillotine | Cairenn: curse. on panda |
| 03:53.25 | Cairenn | Guillotine: just so long as it isn't on WoWI, otherwise I'd want to see what the person had to say |
| 03:53.47 | Guillotine | yah. they start talking about how bots are illegal and such... |
| 03:53.53 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 03:53.58 | Cairenn | not that type of bot :p |
| 03:54.08 | Cairenn | obviously didn't even bother reading the full description |
| 03:54.10 | Wobin_ | omg =P |
| 03:54.20 | Wobin_ | !1!!! |
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| 03:56.35 | Wobin_ | Hehe. Now, if you could integrate purl's translation into Panda.... it'll make communicating with CGFs so the much more easier =) |
| 03:56.43 | Guillotine_ | haha |
| 03:56.47 | Wobin_ | (I only wish that were possible =P) |
| 03:57.00 | Guillotine_ | you get me a dictionary in lua format, I'll do it for you |
| 03:57.05 | Guillotine_ | :P |
| 03:57.09 | Wobin_ | Can you imagine the size? |
| 03:57.21 | Wobin_ | how does purl do it? Web lookups? |
| 03:57.51 | Cairenn | Wobin_: no idea, not my bot, dunno how that part is programed into him |
| 04:00.11 | Guillotine_ | he looks it up on babblefish.com I believe |
| 04:00.14 | Guillotine_ | read that somewhere in help |
| 04:01.33 | Wobin_ | PS I think by 'version' LokitheJester possibly means the toc version? |
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| 04:19.47 | Guillotine | oooo. you could be right |
| 04:19.59 | Guillotine | well, if somebodies going to use panda, they can consider that a test to get into beta |
| 04:20.16 | Guillotine | if they can't check the 'load out of date versions' button, they can't be in Panda beta |
| 04:20.31 | Guillotine | and I should probably upload the new versions |
| 04:20.48 | Guillotine | now "who is" and "what is" questions work |
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| 04:26.00 | zeeg | god damnit |
| 04:26.01 | zeeg | Cairenn |
| 04:26.03 | zeeg | remember the wow-db guy |
| 04:26.09 | Cairenn | oh yeah |
| 04:26.15 | zeeg | http://www.copyscape.com/view.php?o=69215&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wow-db.com%2Fwow%2Fnurfed&t=1140582353&s=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mmotheatre.com%2F&w=22&c= |
| 04:26.18 | zeeg | hes even got mmotheatre on there |
| 04:26.19 | zeeg | the panzi |
| 04:28.55 | Cairenn | hang on a sec here ... |
| 04:29.04 | Cairenn | he's got mods up on the site again ... |
| 04:29.58 | zeeg | lol he does |
| 04:31.03 | Cairenn | yup, and (at least one) author hasn't uploaded the mods themselves |
| 04:31.15 | Cairenn | talking to one right now, he had no idea the mods were back up on there |
| 04:31.16 | zeeg | id bet 99.9% (if not 100%) havent uploaded them |
| 04:31.33 | zeeg | most of the authors get finicky about uploading to the major sites already |
| 04:31.34 | Cairenn | yup |
| 04:31.36 | zeeg | why upload to that tiny site :P |
| 04:32.42 | Cairenn | meh, not necessarily a "tiny" site |
| 04:33.01 | Wobin_ | actually, I can't download from that site at all? |
| 04:33.43 | Cairenn | ah, no, hang on a sec here |
| 04:33.45 | zeeg | wow-db is extremely tiny :P |
| 04:34.38 | Wobin_ | none of the (Right click on the link and choose "Download Target As") links actually do anything |
| 04:34.46 | Cairenn | so it seems |
| 04:35.44 | Wobin_ | heh I was going to see if he was 'borrowing' bandwidth by just hiddenlinking to other addon sites, but it seems he hasn't even fixed the functionality |
| 04:36.44 | Cairenn | actually, since you don't seem to be able to download from his site (at least, at present) and they all have re-direct links to the various authors' actual home sites, I don't see a problem wth it |
| 04:37.29 | Wobin_ | Woah. Weirdest quest details ever |
| 04:38.21 | Guillotine | I have to say, so far, AQ is a blast |
| 04:39.54 | Cairenn | Wobin_: ? |
| 04:39.59 | Cairenn | Guillotine: cool |
| 04:40.17 | Shadowd | which one? |
| 04:40.21 | Shadowd | ah! |
| 04:40.24 | Shadowd | *bah |
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| 04:40.37 | ckknight | bah. |
| 04:40.53 | Shadowd | Which AQ instance you guys in Guillotine? |
| 04:41.10 | Wobin_ | Cairenn: on the wow-db site |
| 04:41.19 | Guillotine | none yet. just turning in the bags... |
| 04:41.21 | Guillotine | heh |
| 04:41.22 | Wobin_ | Mostly a page of broken image links for me =P |
| 04:41.24 | Guillotine | free blue |
| 04:41.32 | Cairenn | okay ... |
| 04:44.42 | Guillotine | I love this quest. just deliver an item from sillithus to EPL and you get a free 2g 70s, 20 food, 20 drink, and a blue |
| 04:47.54 | Tain | Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker. |
| 04:47.59 | Cairenn | heh |
| 04:48.39 | Cairenn | you're so rude :p |
| 04:49.15 | Tain | Whatever do you mean? |
| 04:49.20 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 04:54.21 | futr-away | good olympics tonight |
| 04:54.53 | Cairenn | yeah? how went the skating? |
| 04:55.14 | futr-away | some fantastic skating |
| 04:56.10 | Cairenn | good :) |
| 04:56.46 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 04:57.29 | futrtrubl | speed skating was also fun, but my favorite is always bobsled. the had womens 2 person tonight |
| 04:57.57 | Tain | I'm a huge fan of two women bobbing. |
| 04:58.45 | Wobin_ | Everytime I see bobsled, I can't help but think the only thing going through all their minds when hurtling down the track is "WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" |
| 04:59.06 | Tain | I'm waiting for the luge long-jump to be part of the events. |
| 04:59.30 | Cairenn | Wobin_: hehehe |
| 04:59.31 | Wobin_ | oh wait, no I meant luge =) |
| 05:02.53 | Cairenn | Wobin_: I know that's what I'd be saying ... |
| 05:03.14 | Tain | I can't wait for full-contact archery. |
| 05:03.23 | Cairenn | Tain: O.O |
| 05:03.42 | Cairenn | that would be ... exciting ... |
| 05:03.50 | Cairenn | (read terrifying) |
| 05:06.16 | Shadowd | Tain: You should probably set it up, so it catchs on. |
| 05:11.45 | Tain | I love archery. I would like to find somewhere nearby I could pick it up again. |
| 05:12.03 | Cairenn | which form? |
| 05:12.30 | Tain | I've only ever used a simple longbow. |
| 05:12.58 | Tain | I'd never say I was good, but I enjoyed it. It was fun. |
| 05:13.05 | Cairenn | so not a compound bow? |
| 05:13.21 | Tain | No. I never have at least. |
| 05:13.32 | Wobin_ | Recurve? |
| 05:13.43 | Cairenn | contact your local branch of the SCA, they can tell you where they shoot |
| 05:13.51 | Cairenn | might be willing to let you go shoot with them |
| 05:14.05 | Cairenn | that way you'd have a marshal present |
| 05:14.29 | Tain | There's one place I know of for sure, run by an ex-cop. Did some computer for for him a bunch of years ago. |
| 05:14.39 | Tain | But really I don't want to pay them. heh.. |
| 05:14.45 | Cairenn | if it is just your standard open field, that is ... if they use a "site", they'll be able to tell you where |
| 05:15.06 | Tain | Yeah, the only place I know is an indoor range. |
| 05:15.48 | Cairenn | well, as I said, most groups don't object to others joining them on their range, so long as you follow their safety rules |
| 05:16.21 | Cairenn | and duh, obviously you would :p |
| 05:16.27 | Tain | Yeah, it's a long time since we'd get together and shoot arrows straight up in the air and try to hit them like ninjas on the way down. |
| 05:16.35 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 05:16.48 | Cairenn | they use field points though, not blunt |
| 05:16.49 | Tain | Seemed like a good idea when you're 14... |
| 05:17.23 | Cairenn | it's all fun and games until someone loses an eye ..... then it's a sport |
| 05:17.27 | Tain | Ah well. I'll file it away for later. |
| 05:17.58 | Tain | Yeah by the way, if you're ever doing something and someone does sustain an eye injury, they typically don't take it very well if you say, "It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye." |
| 05:18.12 | Cairenn | heh |
| 05:18.15 | Tain | It's ok though because they don't have very good aim at that point. |
| 05:18.29 | Cairenn | voice of experience there Tain? |
| 05:18.53 | Tain | I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of the weapons of mass eye destruction. |
| 05:18.58 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 05:20.05 | Wobin_ | It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye... and then it's fun and games with slightly less depth perception =P |
| 05:20.28 | Cairenn | that reminds me ... I just about wet myself I was laughing so hard when you linked that Today Show video about your Cheney (sp?) |
| 05:21.07 | Tain | I could not stop laughing at that. I seriously almost passed out from being so light-headed from lack of oxygen. |
| 05:22.17 | Cairenn | oh this is good ... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11473937/site/newsweek/ |
| 05:27.37 | futrtrubl | before I saw it was a satire piece I was saying to myself "WTF?" |
| 05:28.38 | Cairenn | heh |
| 05:58.12 | zeeg | Does anyone know if there's any kind of world coordinate system |
| 06:00.22 | Wobin_ | I'm pretty sure coordinates are always zonal |
| 06:00.32 | zeeg | *but* is there anyone one could be created? :) |
| 06:01.02 | Wobin_ | to determine what though? |
| 06:01.10 | zeeg | for creating a global coordinate system |
| 06:01.13 | Wobin_ | Distance? Reltaive position? |
| 06:01.21 | zeeg | an absolute position on the worldmap |
| 06:01.36 | Wobin_ | You could number the zones, then work it from there |
| 06:01.54 | Wobin_ | so if I were in 4,34,55 it'd be zone 4 etc etc |
| 06:02.10 | zeeg | well |
| 06:02.12 | zeeg | hrm |
| 06:02.14 | Wobin_ | Otherwise you'd have to remap all the coordinates |
| 06:02.31 | Wobin_ | Then figure out a way to add/subtract to current coordinates by zone |
| 06:02.39 | Wobin_ | to figure out your global posiiton |
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| 06:21.34 | Shouryuu | rawr in |
| 06:23.28 | Cairenn | *purr* |
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| 06:39.27 | Cairenn | wb Iriel |
| 06:40.32 | Iriel | hi again |
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| 07:20.51 | Cairenn | quiet at night lately, folks must be working hard these days or something ... |
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| 07:23.59 | purl | yay! |
| 07:24.03 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 07:55.51 | futrtrubl | nah, it's just that I'm back home I have a life during the day ;'] |
| 07:56.25 | Cairenn | what is this "life" thing of which you speak? |
| 07:56.43 | futrtrubl | it is full of goo. |
| 07:57.24 | Cairenn | well that sounds nasty |
| 07:57.30 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 07:57.33 | Cairenn | I think I shall continue to pass on it |
| 07:57.38 | futrtrubl | goo can be fun |
| 07:57.50 | Cairenn | eww, no, it's messy and slimy and icky |
| 07:58.21 | futrtrubl | if it's so repulsive then... nah that too personal ;'] |
| 07:58.30 | futrtrubl | that's* |
| 07:58.47 | Cairenn | *chuckle* |
| 07:59.11 | futrtrubl | it's just that I know you have at least 2 children |
| 07:59.21 | Cairenn | wow, then you know something I don't |
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| 07:59.37 | futrtrubl | I thought you had 2 daughters |
| 08:00.51 | futrtrubl | hmmmm... maybe I missed something. when you talked about looking after your daughter about 2 months ago, that was the 18+ one? |
| 08:01.05 | Cairenn | just turned 18, indeed |
| 08:01.36 | futrtrubl | well then.... amend my statement to "it's just that I know you have at least 1 child" |
| 08:01.45 | Cairenn | heh |
| 08:02.12 | futrtrubl | and add that you were away for a while while your significant other was around ;'] |
| 08:02.41 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 08:03.49 | futrtrubl | oh, there was also the statement about you giving away your firstborn that may have confused me more |
| 08:04.14 | Cairenn | ah, that may have been it |
| 08:05.18 | Cairenn | no, I just have the one, and no, I'm not giving her away |
| 08:05.39 | futrtrubl | so what do you do online at nights other than wait for us to say something and to aprove mods? |
| 08:05.59 | Cairenn | read, mostly |
| 08:06.06 | futrtrubl | ;'] I've heard that she is in demand here, but I know nothing about her |
| 08:06.32 | futrtrubl | books, or websites? |
| 08:06.43 | Cairenn | sometimes play one or another of the various MMOs |
| 08:06.52 | Cairenn | try to get sleepy enough to sleep |
| 08:07.01 | futrtrubl | I know that feeling |
| 08:07.13 | futrtrubl | how's your tooth btw? |
| 08:07.19 | futrtrubl | or lack of |
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| 08:07.51 | Cairenn | better, bleeding finally stopped, down to only needing 1 T3 instead of 2, should be fine with regular tylenol by tomorrow and nothing by Thursday |
| 08:08.30 | futrtrubl | glad to hear it. though it sounds worse than my experiences with dental surgery |
| 08:08.55 | Cairenn | I've never had as difficult time with it before as I did today |
| 08:09.05 | Cairenn | no idea why it was so bad today, but it's better now |
| 08:09.19 | futrtrubl | had other extractions? and was there anything special about this one? |
| 08:09.28 | Cairenn | yes, no |
| 08:09.34 | futrtrubl | wierd |
| 08:09.39 | Cairenn | very |
| 08:10.29 | futrtrubl | well, at least you didn't have a Greek with bad breath as your dentist |
| 08:10.59 | Cairenn | I didn't even have as much difficulty when they pulled all four wisdom teeth, under general anaesthesia, and they were impacted badly |
| 08:11.02 | Cairenn | ewww, nasty |
| 08:11.45 | futrtrubl | wow, general, I may have wished for it during my extractions, but I'm glad it wasn't necessary |
| 08:12.24 | Cairenn | well, the bottom two were completely sideways, and the roots were wrapped around nerves & blood vessels ... |
| 08:12.47 | Cairenn | I was under for a few hours |
| 08:13.24 | futrtrubl | damns. my wisdom was sideways too (horizontal forward into another tooth which it killed) |
| 08:13.33 | Cairenn | not fun |
| 08:13.51 | Cairenn | [MoonWolf]: be happy, trust me ... it really really sucks to have bad teeth |
| 08:14.36 | futrtrubl | was a bit worried after the op when they said not to worry if full feeling never comes back, as the waiver said. "what waiver?" says I. "Oh crap" says the dentist |
| 08:14.54 | Cairenn | oh ooops! |
| 08:15.02 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 08:15.02 | futrtrubl | yeah |
| 08:15.47 | futrtrubl | fortunately I had no reason to try take advantage of the mistake |
| 08:16.22 | Cairenn | how to know someone isn't an american by birth? they *don't* sue the pants off the dentist for the mistake |
| 08:16.32 | futrtrubl | lol |
| 08:16.35 | futrtrubl | definately |
| 08:16.56 | Cairenn | us is insane, the amount of sueing they do :p |
| 08:17.03 | Cairenn | imo |
| 08:17.05 | futrtrubl | national sport |
| 08:17.13 | Cairenn | yeah, something like, it seems |
| 08:17.55 | Cairenn | my car accident, my friends in the US were all like, "so, how much you getting? 2 mil? 5?" |
| 08:18.04 | Cairenn | I'm like, ummm, no |
| 08:18.05 | [MoonWolf] | ... |
| 08:18.17 | [MoonWolf] | you cant sue people for car accidents... right ? |
| 08:18.17 | futrtrubl | heard of Dunn's River Falls? Well, if it was in the US you'ld have to sign a waiver and then be required to have a guide, and waive his liabilities too |
| 08:18.47 | Cairenn | [MoonWolf]: oh hell yes, his fault, rear ended me? oh yeah |
| 08:19.06 | Cairenn | could have sued the automobile manufacturer, too ... the seats failed |
| 08:19.12 | futrtrubl | you can, for medical expences, loss of earnings, emotional trauma... ;'] |
| 08:19.31 | Cairenn | in the US, I *would* have gotten in the millions |
| 08:20.18 | [MoonWolf] | okay, let me see.... medical expences... covered by insurance... loss of earnings, that kinda depends, emotional trauma, nothing a good counseler cant fix. |
| 08:20.20 | Cairenn | in Canada, I didn't |
| 08:20.28 | futrtrubl | yup, it's amazing how many possible spinal injuries happen in minor car accidents |
| 08:20.47 | id` | well i wouldnt care |
| 08:20.54 | id` | $$ |
| 08:20.57 | id` | morning, btw |
| 08:20.58 | id` | :P' |
| 08:21.02 | [MoonWolf] | morning id` |
| 08:21.04 | id` | but yeah, not in the netherlands |
| 08:21.06 | id` | :| |
| 08:21.16 | namxo | cogito ergo sum |
| 08:21.20 | futrtrubl | you got money id`? willing to share? |
| 08:21.35 | id` | futrtrubl: i got a whole 450 euro's per month |
| 08:21.39 | Cairenn | well, the car accident, followed a month later by an accident on the job ... put the kibosh on the career I'd hoped to have |
| 08:21.44 | id` | futrtrubl: wanna switch? |
| 08:21.47 | futrtrubl | or perhaps donate to the futrtrubl "Get a Better Name" fund? |
| 08:21.58 | id` | lol |
| 08:22.29 | [MoonWolf] | I read your name as future trouble... fine by me. |
| 08:22.35 | futrtrubl | what career was that Cairenn? |
| 08:22.41 | Cairenn | EMT |
| 08:22.46 | id` | EMT? |
| 08:22.52 | Cairenn | Paramedic |
| 08:22.56 | Cairenn | Ambulance |
| 08:22.56 | futrtrubl | ambulences? |
| 08:22.58 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 08:22.59 | id` | coolio |
| 08:23.25 | id` | meh i get sick from my own blood, let alone other people mashed up |
| 08:23.26 | id` | eww |
| 08:23.28 | id` | :P |
| 08:23.32 | Cairenn | except, well, I wouldn't have been riding in the ambulances for long ... I wanted medievac |
| 08:23.37 | futrtrubl | [MoonWolf] thanks, but some people don't get it ;'] |
| 08:24.43 | futrtrubl | need better quals than normal for that? |
| 08:25.17 | krka|work | i didn't get it |
| 08:25.47 | Cairenn | my size would be in my favour for helos |
| 08:25.57 | futrtrubl | ahh |
| 08:26.10 | Cairenn | smaller me = more space for casulties |
| 08:27.26 | futrtrubl | can I ask about the accident on the job? |
| 08:27.33 | Cairenn | you can |
| 08:27.56 | futrtrubl | what happened? |
| 08:29.34 | Cairenn | month after the car accident, I was still trying to work .... 2 soft collars on my neck, sports tape in an X across my mid back, special belt around my waist, another around my hips, hand in a split ... I was working at the AirForce base, with a live squadron, so of course we were in the hanger ... don't know what you know about how a hanger is set up |
| 08:30.17 | Cairenn | there's the open area for the aircraft, then on 3 sides around it are offices |
| 08:30.25 | futrtrubl | not too mutch... ok |
| 08:30.57 | Cairenn | so, coming in from outside, stepping through the steel fire door, someone opened the door to the hanger floor, and the main doors from the hanger floor to the airfield were open ... wind tunnel |
| 08:31.12 | Cairenn | steel fire door slammed into me, sent me sprawling across the office |
| 08:31.27 | [MoonWolf] | ouch! |
| 08:31.31 | futrtrubl | wow |
| 08:32.09 | krka|work | yeah ouch :/ |
| 08:32.31 | Cairenn | *kept* working for another 2 weeks - 2 soft collars on my neck, sports tape in an X across my mid back, belt around my waist, belt around my hips, hand in split, arm in sling, heel of my foot taped to my leg to stabilize it, on crutches ... |
| 08:32.51 | Cairenn | gd doctor wouldn't sign me off work |
| 08:33.09 | futrtrubl | you're a trooper, and the doc seems like an ass |
| 08:33.20 | Cairenn | took my physiotherapist calling up my doctor and literally screaming at her for her to finally put me off |
| 08:33.42 | futrtrubl | any reason she didn't streight off? |
| 08:33.54 | Cairenn | slept nigh on 18 hrs a day for the next 6 months, only waking long enough to go to physio, eat, go to the washroom |
| 08:34.22 | Cairenn | because she was a useless incompetent twit |
| 08:34.43 | futrtrubl | damn |
| 08:35.02 | Cairenn | she wouldn't send medical reports to my physiotherapist, to my insurance company, to my lawyers, nothing |
| 08:35.12 | Cairenn | stupid bitch |
| 08:35.17 | Cairenn | (sorry) |
| 08:35.18 | futrtrubl | agreed |
| 08:36.00 | Cairenn | anyway, needless to say, after all that ... so much soft tissue damage to my back, it'll never heal properly, bye bye dreams of EMT |
| 08:36.24 | Cairenn | my back is messed from the base of my skull to the base of my spine |
| 08:36.38 | futrtrubl | Cairenn; you so infrequently call people bitch etc that I think we can let you off on this one, even without the good resons for calling her a bitch |
| 08:37.12 | futrtrubl | then there is also the seperated shoulder you had... you've been in the wars |
| 08:37.13 | Cairenn | I call myself a bitch all the time .... mind you, that's because I frequently am :p |
| 08:38.11 | futrtrubl | hell no |
| 08:38.42 | futrtrubl | well, unless it has something to do with goo again |
| 08:38.44 | Cairenn | oh yeah ... you guys don't hear what I say on this end, before I post my oh so nice and polite and helpful responses on the forums |
| 08:39.02 | Cairenn | trust me, I'm quite the bitch on a very regular basis |
| 08:39.20 | Cairenn | as for that, well, don't ask don't tell ;) |
| 08:39.51 | futrtrubl | that, no one does hear it makes you not a bitch, I think and say the same things, then go right ahead and post the same nastiness ;'] |
| 08:40.01 | Cairenn | heh |
| 08:40.32 | Cairenn | anyway ... I think that's enough for today's segment of "the saga of Cairenn" |
| 08:40.46 | futrtrubl | quite a saga |
| 08:40.51 | Cairenn | bah |
| 08:41.14 | futrtrubl | anything left in it that doesn't include physical injury? |
| 08:41.15 | Cairenn | no different than anyone else ... everyone has their ups and downs and things they get to go through |
| 08:42.03 | futrtrubl | I hope you've had your share of ups in enough quantity to balance all that |
| 08:43.06 | Cairenn | well, I'm still madly in love with my husband, we've been together for nigh on 20 years now, we've got a beautiful intelligent kind caring daughter of 18 .... yeah, I'd say it's balanced |
| 08:43.52 | futrtrubl | good |
| 08:44.30 | Cairenn | so, can we get off the topic of me now, please? |
| 08:44.35 | futrtrubl | sure |
| 08:44.41 | Cairenn | danke |
| 08:45.08 | futrtrubl | so Cairenn, what are the criteria for a mod to be "Popular" on wowi? |
| 08:45.32 | Cairenn | as in "most popular", the column on the right of the front page? |
| 08:45.51 | futrtrubl | no, the red star next to the name |
| 08:45.52 | Cairenn | or ? |
| 08:46.04 | Cairenn | X number of downloads, don't recall what it's set at |
| 08:46.10 | futrtrubl | ok |
| 08:46.23 | id` | futrtrubl goes for the win |
| 08:46.24 | id` | :P |
| 08:46.36 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 08:46.50 | id` | I'm scissors. Nerf rock. Paper's fine. |
| 08:46.55 | id` | <3 the wuote |
| 08:46.57 | id` | quote* |
| 08:47.04 | id` | tis my sig :) |
| 08:47.11 | Cairenn | trying to narrow it down here - more than 528, but by 815 ... seeing if I can get it closer than that |
| 08:47.13 | id` | http://www.beverpung.net/images/games/wow/WoWScrnShot_022006_003902.png |
| 08:47.16 | futrtrubl | 'tis a good sig |
| 08:47.16 | id` | HOT UI |
| 08:47.38 | [MoonWolf] | what is with all the wool bandages ? |
| 08:47.52 | [MoonWolf] | he has epic armor and wool bandages! |
| 08:47.54 | id` | AQ |
| 08:47.54 | id` | :P |
| 08:48.15 | id` | i just love those unitframes |
| 08:49.52 | futrtrubl | A sig I've seen recently and loved is "'Sir, we're surrounded!' 'Excelent, we can attack in any direction!'" and it's a real quote |
| 08:50.06 | id` | o_O |
| 08:50.41 | Cairenn | looks like Dolby's got it set that 800+ downloads gets you the star |
| 08:51.00 | Cairenn | not sure why he set it at that, but that seems to be it |
| 08:51.11 | futrtrubl | cool, was wondering how I got it so quickly ;'] |
| 08:52.51 | id` | http://www.beverpung.net/images/games/wow/dual.jpg |
| 08:52.51 | id` | : |
| 08:52.54 | id` | :O |
| 08:53.03 | futrtrubl | ok, I think I have worked up enough sleepiness |
| 08:53.37 | id` | nn |
| 08:53.52 | Cairenn | night futrtrubl |
| 08:54.40 | futrtrubl | night guys. |
| 08:54.45 | id` | gotta get to work :( |
| 08:55.05 | Cairenn | later id` |
| 08:55.43 | id` | :( |
| 08:56.00 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:56.07 | id` | hey, only 2 more days |
| 08:56.15 | id` | snowboard holiday |
| 08:56.17 | id` | (again!) |
| 08:56.18 | Cairenn | :) |
| 08:56.27 | id` | 2ND TIME IN TWO MONTHS |
| 08:56.31 | id` | ups caps |
| 08:57.59 | Cairenn | zomg! id`! shame on you! |
| 08:58.29 | id` | =( |
| 08:58.33 | Cairenn | hehe |
| 08:58.50 | id` | Irssi: unknown command: /cry |
| 09:00.03 | id` | http://www.beverpung.net/images/games/wow/rogues-imba.png |
| 09:00.04 | id` | lol |
| 09:00.19 | ForgottenLords | Question: Are Saved Variables loaded before XML OnLoad functions? |
| 09:00.38 | Cairenn | heh, I love that little blip they use on my fav radio station ... "this next song will prove that two perfectly good pencils make even better air drumsticks" ... |
| 09:00.57 | Cairenn | yes, I know, that was completely random, sorry |
| 09:01.23 | id` | lol :P |
| 09:03.38 | Cairenn | ForgottenLords: don't recall, sorry |
| 09:04.23 | krka|work | ForgottenLords, don't think they are |
| 09:05.09 | krka|work | hmm... beverpung looks a lot like bäverpung, which means "beaver scrotum" |
| 09:05.28 | Cairenn | *blink* |
| 09:05.43 | id` | krka|work: hahaha |
| 09:05.50 | Cairenn | okay, this is me *not* asking :p |
| 09:05.57 | id` | krka|work: well look at the screenshots, the guy _is_ scandinavian |
| 09:06.22 | krka|work | uhm... i just tried www.beverpung.net/ .... bad idea |
| 09:06.37 | Cairenn | still not asking |
| 09:06.41 | id` | hahahaha |
| 09:06.50 | krka|work | norwegians... figures |
| 09:06.58 | id` | :P |
| 09:07.10 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 09:07.19 | id` | http://www.beverpung.net/images/games/wow/emul/WoWScrnShot_061405_063601.png |
| 09:07.22 | Cairenn | damnit, you made me have to go look :p |
| 09:07.22 | id` | !!! |
| 09:07.53 | krka|work | sorry |
| 09:07.58 | krka|work | i said it was a bad idea |
| 09:08.01 | Cairenn | naw, it's okay, it's funny |
| 09:08.03 | krka|work | especially at work |
| 09:08.41 | krka|work | id.... that is some weird UI |
| 09:08.51 | krka|work | ui that makes it look like you have lots more hp / mana |
| 09:08.59 | id` | krka|work: its GM shots |
| 09:09.00 | krka|work | or hacked server? |
| 09:09.02 | krka|work | ah |
| 09:09.07 | id` | probably |
| 09:09.23 | Cairenn | well, the link does have "emul" in it, sooooo ..... |
| 09:09.29 | krka|work | cute with a developer icon at the bottom |
| 09:09.34 | id` | :P |
| 09:13.30 | id` | http://www.beverpung.net/images/anime/ |
| 09:13.31 | id` | ;O |
| 09:13.40 | id` | :p |
| 09:17.10 | id` | http://www.beverpung.net/images/wtf/foobar.png |
| 09:17.16 | id` | at least he knows what good music is |
| 09:20.14 | namxo | :) |
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| 10:02.44 | namxo | you know an addon to put % of crits in the stats panel ? |
| 10:02.55 | namxo | "to put" > "which show" |
| 10:02.55 | namxo | :D |
| 10:03.31 | Cairenn | not off the top of my head |
| 10:03.49 | namxo | ok |
| 10:03.59 | Cairenn | someone else may |
| 10:04.07 | namxo | i think too |
| 10:04.13 | Tem|MC | good lord Cairenn how are you still awake |
| 10:04.17 | Tem|MC | oops |
| 10:04.23 | Cairenn | easy, I hurt too much to sleep |
| 10:04.28 | Tem|MC | **3 hours ago*** |
| 10:04.47 | Tem|AQ | **insert an hour*** |
| 10:05.13 | Tem | well that was fun |
| 10:05.16 | Tem | night people |
| 10:05.24 | Cairenn | night Tem, sweet dreams |
| 10:09.27 | namxo | what does mean "by the way" ? |
| 10:09.30 | namxo | "de toutes manières" ? |
| 10:10.06 | Tem|Sleep | hmm how can I explain that |
| 10:10.44 | Tem|Sleep | gah that's a tough one to explain |
| 10:11.27 | namxo | http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=2830 |
| 10:11.34 | namxo | i want that, but for melee class :D |
| 10:21.26 | Tem|Sleep | you do |
| 10:21.28 | Tem|Sleep | it's given |
| 10:21.31 | Tem|Sleep | by default |
| 10:21.44 | namxo | oh where ? :D |
| 10:21.48 | Tem|Sleep | um... |
| 10:21.56 | Tem|Sleep | what more do you want than is given? |
| 10:22.04 | namxo | ? |
| 10:23.31 | Tem|Sleep | they already tell you your crit chance |
| 10:23.45 | Tem|Sleep | and an accurate reading of how big you will hit |
| 10:23.46 | namxo | with the bonus of your weapons ? talents ? |
| 10:23.57 | Tem|Sleep | yeah it takes all that in |
| 10:24.00 | Tem|Sleep | doesn't it? |
| 10:24.04 | namxo | WHERE ? |
| 10:24.12 | Tem|Sleep | read your tooltips |
| 10:24.17 | Tem|Sleep | mouse over "Attack" |
| 10:24.22 | namxo | ok |
| 10:24.44 | Tem|Sleep | I find it hard to believe that you hadn't seen that before |
| 10:24.54 | Tem|Sleep | I've only played a mage since release |
| 10:24.55 | namxo | it's my first mele class |
| 10:24.56 | namxo | :D |
| 10:24.58 | Tem|Sleep | and I know that |
| 10:25.07 | namxo | i play a priest since the beginning |
| 10:25.07 | namxo | :) |
| 10:25.08 | Tem|Sleep | ah |
| 10:25.27 | Tem|Sleep | anyway, I should have been alseep a while back |
| 10:25.38 | Tem|Sleep | and geez you're up early |
| 10:25.51 | Tem|Sleep | it's only 7:30ish in France right? |
| 10:26.00 | namxo | 11/25am |
| 10:26.00 | namxo | :) |
| 10:26.03 | namxo | 11:25 |
| 10:26.17 | Tem|Sleep | wow I'm dumb |
| 10:26.19 | Tem|Sleep | I can't add |
| 10:26.30 | Tem|Sleep | clearly a sign that I should be asleep |
| 10:26.33 | namxo | lol |
| 10:26.53 | Tem|Sleep | anyway, I'm out |
| 10:27.05 | namxo | you're wrong |
| 10:27.08 | namxo | no % crit in tooltip |
| 10:30.20 | id` | nn Cairenn |
| 10:30.41 | Cairenn|sleep | night |
| 10:39.57 | zeetg | anyone have auto assault beta |
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| 11:42.39 | Wob | I always find it amusing when my browser tells me "downloading from content.ytmnd.com" |
| 11:42.40 | Wob | Ha. Content? |
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| 12:08.38 | id` | lol Wob |
| 12:08.39 | id` | hahaha |
| 12:08.42 | id` | :P |
| 12:21.33 | AnduinLothar | FYI, my previous assumption about the 1.10 test server was premature. "It will be going live next tuesday." Is the updated prospect. |
| 12:22.56 | Wob | the test server? |
| 12:23.00 | Wob | (I hope =P) |
| 12:25.43 | AnduinLothar | correct |
| 12:25.58 | Wob | oh good. |
| 12:26.17 | Wob | I had a certain expectation to the term 'going live' =P |
| 12:27.34 | AnduinLothar | going public is perhaps more correct |
| 12:27.53 | AnduinLothar | since it's already live, just only internal |
| 12:27.59 | id` | ;O |
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| 12:28.17 | id` | AnduinLothar: so what do you _do_ for blizz? write lua? |
| 12:28.26 | id` | if so, please god start with the chatframe lua |
| 12:28.27 | id` | lol |
| 12:28.29 | id` | :P |
| 12:28.34 | AnduinLothar | Quality Assurance |
| 12:28.39 | AnduinLothar | bug testing |
| 12:28.43 | id` | oh, k |
| 12:28.58 | id` | the chat frame is pretty messy :( |
| 12:29.04 | AnduinLothar | whatever they tell me to do, and whatever want in the leftover time. |
| 12:30.07 | id` | What if blizz added code to safely hook (their) code ... hmmm ... :p |
| 12:30.21 | AnduinLothar | I worked on a check list of new quests today and coded some wardrobe and SeaString on the side |
| 12:31.22 | id` | :) |
| 12:31.28 | id` | full time? |
| 12:31.38 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 12:31.41 | id` | cool |
| 12:32.28 | AnduinLothar | pain in the ass converting wardrobe to item id's... been working on it slowly for weeks |
| 12:33.03 | id` | how does wardrobe work? |
| 12:33.12 | AnduinLothar | complicatedly |
| 12:33.34 | AnduinLothar | too tired to explain. class in 6 hrs... sleep time |
| 12:33.59 | id` | nn |
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| 12:59.50 | namxo | :p |
| 13:08.21 | namxo | where are the priest talents ? :D |
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| 14:51.36 | Beladona | code view is now integrated (no popups) http://wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 14:52.16 | JoshBorke | cool |
| 14:52.55 | id` | oh wow |
| 14:52.56 | id` | nice |
| 14:53.17 | Beladona | next big project is to make it so you can simply view all the itnerface files directly of any version |
| 14:53.31 | JoshBorke | that would be awesome |
| 14:53.44 | id` | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/index.php?mode=details&vd=1904937&ct=lcompare&rid=30 |
| 14:53.49 | id` | the used unregisters |
| 14:53.50 | id` | yay |
| 14:53.51 | id` | :P |
| 14:53.52 | id` | they* |
| 14:54.26 | Beladona | hehe |
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| 14:54.42 | id` | Beladona: and then use gd to make a picture of a file with all its functions with lines to one another indicating which function calls wich |
| 14:54.45 | id` | :D |
| 14:55.03 | Beladona | yeah, um -- that one will be much further down the road |
| 14:55.06 | Beladona | hehe |
| 14:55.29 | JoshBorke | does anyone know of a mod that intercepts shift-clicking itemlinks? |
| 14:55.30 | Beladona | still working on cloning myself |
| 14:55.35 | Beladona | =P |
| 14:55.35 | id` | hehe |
| 14:56.00 | JoshBorke | or intercepts clicking of itemlinks/items |
| 14:56.41 | id` | nope |
| 14:56.45 | id` | why intercept? |
| 14:57.08 | JoshBorke | i want to allow shift-clicking items into an editbox in a static popup |
| 15:07.05 | JoshBorke | ok, so i have a frame who's script for OnClick is defined in the XML, how do i hook that function? |
| 15:07.19 | JoshBorke | would it be FrameName.OnClick? |
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| 15:13.23 | Beladona | you want FrameName:GetScript("handler"); |
| 15:13.52 | Beladona | and FrameName:SetScript("handler", function); |
| 15:14.02 | JoshBorke | ah, ok, thank you :-) |
| 15:14.04 | Beladona | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Frame_SetScript |
| 15:14.52 | Beladona | so like mymod_onclick = FrameName:GetScript("OnClick"); would give you the onclick function you need, and allow you to hook it |
| 15:15.15 | Beladona | and then you can set it with the hooked version |
| 15:15.33 | JoshBorke | yea :-) i like it :-) |
| 15:16.35 | JoshBorke | another quick question, you can shift-click item links in a chatframe, but i don't see the corresponding code for that in the FrameXML files, do you happen to know where I can hook that? or should I just use the ChatFrame:GetScript("OnClick") again? |
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| 15:46.24 | Beladona | oh sorry was afk |
| 15:46.36 | Beladona | its in a lua file somewhere, lemme find it |
| 15:47.12 | JoshBorke | i did a grep over all the files for a ChatFrameEditBox:Insert but none of them seemed to have anything to do with clicking the chatframe |
| 15:49.14 | Beladona | no it is part of the item link code |
| 15:49.21 | Beladona | or hyperlink rather |
| 15:49.31 | Corrodias | see, that's your problem. you used a linux utility. they exist to frustrate people. |
| 15:50.20 | JoshBorke | :-P |
| 15:53.20 | Beladona | JoshBorke, you want ItemRef.lua, specifically lines 28-31 |
| 15:53.36 | Beladona | that is the part that actually inserts a link into chat when you hold the shift key down |
| 15:55.40 | JoshBorke | ok, i tried hooking that function last night, but i failed miserably |
| 15:55.49 | Beladona | what do you want to do? |
| 15:56.18 | JoshBorke | i want to grab any shift-click of items/itemlinks and put them into an editbox in a static-popup window |
| 15:56.37 | Beladona | any? |
| 15:56.50 | Beladona | wouldn't that break the current feature of having it go to the chat frame? |
| 15:57.02 | Beladona | or you want it to do both? |
| 15:57.06 | Ktron | Beladona; you run World of Warcraft under linux, right? |
| 15:57.11 | Beladona | I have yes |
| 15:57.23 | Ktron | But you don't now because? |
| 15:57.27 | JoshBorke | i only want to grab the links when the static-popup is open, so i'd be willing to break the editbox during that time |
| 15:57.35 | Beladona | because you can't reloadUI under linux |
| 15:57.45 | Beladona | and therefore I can't develop as effectively |
| 15:57.53 | Ktron | Beladona; why can't you reloadUI? |
| 15:57.57 | Ktron | just.. because? |
| 15:57.58 | Beladona | it crashes the client |
| 15:58.22 | Ktron | what distribution did you use, and did you use wine/cedega...? |
| 15:58.36 | Beladona | I tried both, but had the lest bugs with cedega |
| 15:58.42 | Beladona | and I ran it under ubuntu |
| 15:59.13 | Ktron | hm... interesting, thanks Beladona |
| 15:59.27 | Beladona | I got it to run successfully under wine, but not without the click bug, which requires a hack that effectively breaks wine for any other game BUT wow |
| 15:59.53 | Beladona | which suck |
| 15:59.57 | Beladona | sucked* |
| 16:00.18 | Beladona | cedega supports the same hacks, but per application rather than globally |
| 16:00.28 | Beladona | so you can make it work with wow without breaking other things |
| 16:01.04 | Beladona | hopefully wine wises up and ports the same per-application feature that cedega has |
| 16:01.23 | Beladona | because I like wine better for most things |
| 16:05.24 | Eraphine|Disco | is there a general /shoot command for guns/bows/crossbows ? |
| 16:06.22 | JoshBorke | i believe Shoot is one of the buttons on the general page, so i'd say yes? |
| 16:06.55 | Beladona | JoshBorke, do you want the user to have to hold down the shift key when they click a link to make it pop into your frame? |
| 16:07.11 | JoshBorke | Beladona: yes |
| 16:07.22 | Beladona | about to post some easy code into pastebin, so one sec |
| 16:07.28 | JoshBorke | cool beans :-D |
| 16:07.52 | Beladona | only item links right? |
| 16:08.20 | JoshBorke | yep |
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| 16:15.31 | Beladona | JoshBorke: try this -- http://pastebin.com/566904 |
| 16:16.20 | Beladona | I didn't test it, so make sure it works. It might break some of the shift click features of the original link to chat feature, but I don't know for sure |
| 16:18.17 | [MoonWolf] | the setitemref is also used for enchants and some mods add custom stuff |
| 16:19.56 | JoshBorke | i'm going to hook when the pop-up is open and unhook when it is closed |
| 16:20.19 | Eraphine|Disco | On my general page, the shoot is separated out into Shoot Bow, Shoot Gun ... |
| 16:20.34 | JoshBorke | Eraphine: blast, <-- i'm a paladin :-X |
| 16:23.37 | JoshBorke | ok, next question then. that takes care of the clicks in a chat-window. Can I use 1 OnClick function to replace multiple? |
| 16:24.30 | JoshBorke | my idea is: ContainerFrameItemButton_OnClick = function (button, ignoreModifiers) MyMod_OnClick(ContainerFrame, args) end |
| 16:26.01 | JoshBorke | and then have MyMod_OnClick(frame,...) ...if ( stuff ) then Do_Stuff() else MyMod.OnClicks.frame(args) end end |
| 16:26.04 | JoshBorke | would that work? |
| 16:31.17 | Beladona | no |
| 16:31.27 | Beladona | you would need to put those functions into a container function |
| 16:31.58 | Beladona | oh wait I see what you are doing |
| 16:32.26 | Beladona | actually in that situation, self would be handy |
| 16:33.29 | Beladona | ContainerFrameItemButton:ClickMe = function(button, ignoreModifiers) MyMod_OnClick(self, args); end |
| 16:33.31 | JoshBorke | how would that work? i'm still having trouble wrapping my head around self |
| 16:33.50 | Beladona | ContainerFrameItemButton gets passed as self |
| 16:35.17 | Beladona | whenever you use the : operator in a function, the preceding object gets passed as self, which will be passed as the first variable |
| 16:36.01 | Beladona | so FrameName:Function(arg1, arg2); is the same as FrameName.Function(FrameName, arg1, arg2); |
| 16:36.38 | Beladona | or more specifically (self, arg1, arg2) |
| 16:36.50 | Beladona | which means you can use self anywhere in that function to reference FrameName |
| 16:38.36 | JoshBorke | but wouldn't that then mean in my MyMod_OnClick, i'd be looking for many different instances of ContainerFrameItemButton? |
| 16:39.25 | JoshBorke | WOOHOO! my mod broke 200 downloads! |
| 16:39.41 | JoshBorke | just fyi, this is only my second mod |
| 16:39.53 | Ktron | which mod? |
| 16:40.00 | JoshBorke | GreaterBuff |
| 16:40.32 | JoshBorke | it's much simpler than the mod i'm trying to write now |
| 16:42.32 | JoshBorke | i guess I should give some background on what i'm actually trying to accomplish, so that it's easier to understand my questions |
| 16:43.24 | JoshBorke | i'm writing a mod that allows you to track what I call "Item sets". basically, I want something that will let me track all the different items I need for Hide of the Wild. That's how it started anyway. |
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| 16:43.36 | Shouryuu | rrawr |
| 16:48.16 | JoshBorke | i decided that it would be nice to be able to track more than 1 'item set' at a time, so i decided i'd need a gui. originalyl I was just taking in new items in a slash command |
| 16:48.42 | JoshBorke | so itemlinks were provide to me. once I added a gui and a pop-up box for the items, i realized i have to create my own itemlinks |
| 16:49.37 | JoshBorke | i tried showing the ChatFrameEditBox and then hooking the ChatFrameEditBox:Insert function, but failed miserably and decided it might be best to do it the right way and hook the individual OnClick functions |
| 16:50.26 | JoshBorke | and so for code cleanliness and optimizations, I thought it would be best to use only one MyMod_OnClick function and then index into a table for the original OnClick functions of the different frames |
| 16:51.20 | JoshBorke | unfortunately, i'm not smart enough for that last step |
| 16:51.44 | Shouryuu | me neither |
| 16:51.46 | Shouryuu | sorry |
| 16:53.58 | Shouryuu | man I still haven't undesrtood the code for that message supressing thing.. |
| 16:55.33 | JoshBorke | which are you suppressing? incoming or outgoing? |
| 16:56.44 | Shouryuu | incoming here I thing |
| 16:56.48 | Shouryuu | *think |
| 16:57.32 | Shouryuu | I don't even understand how to do it |
| 17:00.16 | JoshBorke | you've read http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Hook_Chat_Messages, yes? |
| 17:03.50 | [MoonWolf] | that page is empty |
| 17:03.56 | id` | no its not |
| 17:04.14 | Shouryuu | I think this one is the good one http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Hook_Outgoing_Chat_Messages |
| 17:04.38 | JoshBorke | well, the first link is what you want to do |
| 17:04.59 | JoshBorke | id`: what's your addon? |
| 17:05.01 | Shouryuu | the first one is empt to me =( |
| 17:05.31 | id` | http://pastebin.com/566970 |
| 17:05.34 | futr-sleep | not empty for me |
| 17:05.40 | JoshBorke | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:HOWTOs then on the bottom left column, is the link to it |
| 17:05.41 | Shouryuu | ok found the unempty one |
| 17:05.52 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 17:06.00 | id` | JoshBorke: industrial.wowinterface.com |
| 17:06.29 | id` | [MoonWolf]: I'm going to try to make an IdLib, embedded library |
| 17:06.32 | id` | idLib* |
| 17:06.37 | [MoonWolf] | what does it do ? |
| 17:06.54 | id` | stuff more then one addon might want to use |
| 17:07.07 | id` | correction, stuff more of my addons will use |
| 17:07.09 | id` | :- |
| 17:07.09 | id` | ) |
| 17:07.25 | [MoonWolf] | kk |
| 17:07.25 | Beladona | like make coffee, and pay your taxes |
| 17:07.26 | Shouryuu | I understand how to hook a chat message, I just don't understand *how* you hide the sent/received message |
| 17:07.28 | Beladona | anyway, lunch time! =D |
| 17:07.33 | id` | just for fun tho, won't have much use in the beginning |
| 17:08.11 | JoshBorke | Shouryuu: once you have hooked the chat message, if you don't want it shown, don't execute the original function |
| 17:09.18 | [MoonWolf] | note, be really really shure you are not hiding something that should be shown. |
| 17:09.26 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 17:09.52 | Shouryuu | So you're actually overriding the default function? |
| 17:10.05 | JoshBorke | yep |
| 17:10.24 | JoshBorke | as far as I can tell anyway :-) haven't hooked a function yet |
| 17:10.34 | Shouryuu | aaahh |
| 17:10.41 | Shouryuu | there's where I didn't get it :p |
| 17:12.45 | Shouryuu | I wanna priest talents =( |
| 17:22.09 | MentalPower | me too |
| 17:23.56 | id` | my KC_I SV file is 1MB :< |
| 17:24.35 | id` | but i need it to make more money.. |
| 17:25.59 | JoshBorke | would this work? 'ContainerFrameItemButton_OnClick = function (button,ignoreModifiers) MyMod.OnClick("ContainerFrameItemButton_OnClick",button,ignoreModifiers) end;' ? |
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| 17:29.22 | id` | yes |
| 17:29.31 | id` | tip, ';' is unneeded in lua |
| 17:29.39 | id` | it is completely ignored |
| 17:29.50 | JoshBorke | really? |
| 17:29.57 | id` | for 1,1,1 do if true then return end end |
| 17:30.00 | id` | correct lua |
| 17:30.07 | JoshBorke | mmk, cool |
| 17:30.10 | id` | :-) |
| 17:30.12 | JoshBorke | because i hate all those ugly ; |
| 17:30.15 | id` | GOOD |
| 17:30.15 | id` | :D |
| 17:30.25 | id` | :%s/;$//g |
| 17:30.26 | id` | :P |
| 17:32.44 | JoshBorke | could I do 'ContainerFrameItemButton_OnClick = function (...) MyMod.OnClick("ContainerFrameItemButton_OnClick",unpack(args)) end' ? |
| 17:33.19 | JoshBorke | or does the new function definition have to be the same as the old function definition? |
| 17:34.35 | id` | not sure |
| 17:34.40 | id` | try :-) |
| 17:34.50 | JoshBorke | guess i'll have to tonight :-0 |
| 17:34.55 | id` | ;) |
| 17:47.52 | Bela|AFK | you guys are weird |
| 17:48.07 | Beladona | using ; to close something in my mind is the correct way to do it |
| 17:48.12 | Beladona | it makes more logical sense |
| 17:48.51 | Beladona | regardless of lua not "needing" it |
| 17:50.18 | MentalPower | Anyone see anything wrong with the following for statement? |
| 17:50.19 | MentalPower | for itemID, 30000 do |
| 17:50.21 | MentalPower | --Code goes here |
| 17:50.23 | MentalPower | end |
| 17:50.25 | MentalPower | Its giving me the following error: |
| 17:50.26 | MentalPower | <name> expected near 300000 |
| 17:50.51 | Beladona | it needs to be for i = itemID, 3000 do |
| 17:51.24 | MentalPower | hmm... ok, thanks, I guess I'll have to code around that |
| 17:51.56 | Beladona | can also use a 3rd operator, but not sure how useful it would be |
| 17:52.33 | JoshBorke | what does the third operator do? |
| 17:52.39 | Beladona | for i = 1, 300, 10 do -- this will iterate from 1 to 300, advancing by 10 per step |
| 17:53.01 | JoshBorke | ah, ok :-) |
| 17:53.21 | Beladona | although 0, 300, 10 might be better |
| 17:53.36 | Beladona | so it goes 0, 10, 20, 30, etc... |
| 17:53.43 | Beladona | instead of 1, 11, 21 |
| 17:55.22 | namxo | EYONIX WAKE UP ! |
| 17:55.25 | Beladona | oh my |
| 17:55.34 | Beladona | AOL finally did something good for the isp industry |
| 17:55.58 | Beladona | they are raising the price of their dialup service to make it cost the same as their entry level broadband offering |
| 17:56.09 | Beladona | in the hopes of getting people to switch from dialup to broadband |
| 17:57.24 | namxo | i have a strange problem |
| 17:57.28 | namxo | i hide the main bar |
| 17:57.32 | namxo | my shortcut works |
| 17:57.51 | namxo | but when i become invisible |
| 17:58.01 | namxo | the shortcut of my invisible's bar don't work |
| 17:58.07 | namxo | it's always shortcut for the main bar :( |
| 18:00.44 | Beladona | sweet |
| 18:00.56 | Beladona | I found and downloaded the song from that trailer of Ultravoilet |
| 18:00.59 | Beladona | =D |
| 18:03.26 | Cairenn | Bela, were you the one telling me about RFO? |
| 18:03.53 | Cairenn | If so, have you seen this yet? http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80184 |
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| 18:09.23 | elema | hy guys |
| 18:09.35 | Cairenn | hi el |
| 18:09.44 | Cairenn | elema* |
| 18:10.29 | elema | short is good ;) |
| 18:10.45 | namxo | no talent today |
| 18:10.50 | namxo | eyonix have statued |
| 18:10.50 | namxo | :( |
| 18:11.10 | Cairenn | ? |
| 18:11.36 | Cairenn | nm |
| 18:11.55 | namxo | It looks as though the interactive talent preview will be ready tomorrow. The teams involved with making this happen have been working on this task full time. I'm pretty optimistic that even if it's delayed it will still be out before the weekend. |
| 18:11.55 | namxo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.56 | namxo | In any case, I'll keep you updated. |
| 18:13.36 | elema | does any one of you know in which language the wowuides is written ? |
| 18:13.40 | elema | maybe C |
| 18:13.42 | elema | # |
| 18:13.43 | elema | ? |
| 18:13.50 | [MoonWolf] | elema, how do you mean |
| 18:14.01 | [MoonWolf] | the wowui as you seen it is lua and xml , embedded in c |
| 18:14.30 | Tain | I was just reading an article on RF Online, and they pointed out a very nice feature that WoW is lacking. |
| 18:14.35 | Tain | The patcher plays music while it runs! |
| 18:14.35 | elema | I mean thw WOWUIDesigner ( http://wowuides.wowinterface.com/) |
| 18:14.43 | Cairenn | well, from the file description: |
| 18:14.44 | Cairenn | * Native Win32 application developed in C# 2005 requiring .Net v2.0. Compatible with Windows XP Home(Untested) and Professional(Tested), Windows 2003 Server (Untested), and Windows 2000 Professional (Tested) with the latest service packs |
| 18:14.53 | elema | oh |
| 18:14.54 | elema | good |
| 18:15.31 | elema | well, does anyone know, whether nulkris ( the author) gives the sourcecode top other peoples ? |
| 18:15.40 | Beladona | sorry I was afk |
| 18:15.44 | Beladona | whatd I miss? |
| 18:16.03 | Cairenn | we checked it |
| 18:16.06 | Beladona | yeah I saw that Cairenn, and I was pretty upset with them about it |
| 18:16.09 | elema | I'm not a good C# writer, but I'm trying to learn, and so it (could) be a good example (I think ) |
| 18:16.21 | Cairenn | doubt if he'd be willing to give it out |
| 18:16.24 | Beladona | things that make you go WTF? |
| 18:16.41 | Beladona | RFO had their beta which I was part of for a few months |
| 18:16.43 | Tain | I know he's declined to give out he source in the past. |
| 18:16.51 | Beladona | and they never fixed many of the most outstanding bugs |
| 18:16.55 | Cairenn | elema: you can try sending him a PM asking, but I highly doubt it |
| 18:16.57 | Beladona | then they moved to stress test |
| 18:17.00 | Beladona | and the servers died |
| 18:17.03 | Tain | hah |
| 18:17.06 | Beladona | they were down for 3 or 4 days |
| 18:17.08 | Cairenn | Beladona: yeah ... figured you'd be impressed with that |
| 18:17.11 | Beladona | they bring the servers back up |
| 18:17.15 | Cairenn | Tain: rofl |
| 18:17.16 | Beladona | and they are up for 2 days |
| 18:17.27 | Beladona | now they are down, and the official retail release is going out |
| 18:17.53 | Beladona | the bugs? the failed stress test? none of that told them that maybe they neded more dev time? |
| 18:17.59 | Beladona | morons |
| 18:18.17 | elema | hmm ok, thanks for the info |
| 18:18.59 | Beladona | sorry to spam the channel with that stuff. I doubt anyone cared about RFO. I personally liked the game, but hated their development practices |
| 18:19.11 | Cairenn | it's okay Beladona, no need to apologize |
| 18:19.16 | Beladona | I am still torn as to whether I want to get the game and try it for the free month |
| 18:19.47 | Beladona | I wish Blizz would make a game like RFO |
| 18:19.53 | Beladona | that I could get behind |
| 18:20.39 | Cairenn | I still want to see someone make a Vamp vs Lycan ... I think that'd rock |
| 18:20.51 | Tain | mmmmm |
| 18:20.51 | Tain | Yes |
| 18:21.08 | Beladona | or just make an MMO based around the Vampire: Masquerade stories |
| 18:21.15 | Tain | yes, that too. |
| 18:21.22 | Beladona | NOT like the games though, ugh |
| 18:21.24 | Tain | Really the entier White Wolf worl.d |
| 18:21.28 | Cairenn | or M:tG |
| 18:21.35 | Corrodias | or a puzzle game with giant creatures that eat faces |
| 18:21.37 | Beladona | whats that |
| 18:21.43 | Tain | no magic! |
| 18:21.51 | Cairenn | Magic the Gathering |
| 18:21.54 | Beladona | oh |
| 18:22.02 | Cairenn | the one before V:tM |
| 18:22.03 | Corrodias | or a racing game where you raise pieces of sand up a hill of corn! |
| 18:22.08 | Corrodias | *race |
| 18:22.15 | Beladona | not sure that would work as an MMO without losing the card playing aspect |
| 18:22.27 | Cairenn | ditto V:tM, I think |
| 18:22.47 | Cairenn | but Underworld ... that could make for a good MMO |
| 18:23.05 | Beladona | V:tM started as pen and paper, much like DnD |
| 18:23.08 | Beladona | not cards |
| 18:23.44 | Beladona | I am still waiting for someone to make a good futuristic MMO |
| 18:23.46 | Cairenn | didn't know that |
| 18:23.48 | Beladona | huxley might do it |
| 18:24.07 | Beladona | Planetside was fun, till about 3 months in when they started killing it |
| 18:25.32 | Beladona | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.34 | Beladona | hehe |
| 18:25.59 | Beladona | hey Cairenn, go look at http://wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 18:26.03 | Beladona | =) |
| 18:26.30 | Beladona | ? |
| 18:27.07 | Cairenn | yeah, I scrolled back through the log from when I was afk ... looks really good Bela :) |
| 18:27.23 | Beladona | oh thanks |
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| 18:27.36 | Beladona | hehe, shoulda known you would go backlogging |
| 18:28.44 | Beladona | oh I know what it is |
| 18:28.44 | Tain | Going on about 14 hours of copying data from dying harddrive to new one. |
| 18:28.51 | Tain | But so far it hasn't failed. |
| 18:28.52 | Beladona | just not sure why it was directed to me |
| 18:29.10 | Beladona | oh because of the ranting? |
| 18:29.11 | Cairenn | bitch bitch bitch, all you are doing this morning, must be "that time of the month" |
| 18:29.13 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 18:29.15 | Beladona | sorry I am slow today |
| 18:29.30 | Beladona | I reinjured my back |
| 18:29.36 | Tain | By the way, 250gb ATA drive on sale at BestBuy this week. heh |
| 18:29.37 | Cairenn | oh, not good |
| 18:29.38 | Beladona | so my mind tends to be distracted today |
| 18:29.41 | Tain | $89 |
| 18:29.43 | Cairenn | :( |
| 18:29.46 | Tain | When did you do that Beladona? |
| 18:29.48 | Cairenn | Tain: nice |
| 18:29.50 | Beladona | actually I reinjured it monday |
| 18:29.55 | Beladona | it just still hurts |
| 18:30.01 | Tain | hmmm.. so not quite a week back |
| 18:30.14 | Cairenn | Tain: /smack |
| 18:30.20 | Beladona | well I hurt my back originally like what, 2 weeks ago? |
| 18:30.29 | Beladona | nice pun though |
| 18:30.29 | Tain | It's ok Cairenn, I hurt myself doing stuff like that. |
| 18:30.38 | Beladona | wait -- deja vu |
| 18:30.42 | Tain | haah yeah |
| 18:30.45 | elema | does anyone of you know, how I get in windows the ram values ( like speed latency and so on) ? |
| 18:30.46 | Cairenn | yup |
| 18:30.48 | Beladona | didn't we go through the pun things the last time I hurt my back? |
| 18:30.53 | Cairenn | yup |
| 18:30.57 | elema | (a program, to read it out ) |
| 18:31.38 | Tain | Not off the top of my head, elema. I think you'd have to find a program that reads your BIOS values. |
| 18:31.41 | Tain | There are some like that. |
| 18:31.55 | Beladona | aye |
| 18:31.57 | Beladona | or just reboot |
| 18:32.00 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 18:32.27 | Tain | Ooooh new Super Mario Brothers game is coming out! A real Super Mario Brothers game! |
| 18:32.50 | Beladona | ?? |
| 18:32.50 | elema | right'to , bye, till later ;) |
| 18:32.53 | [MoonWolf] | link |
| 18:32.58 | Beladona | link me bastard, doth not taunt me! |
| 18:33.06 | Tain | http://wiredblogs.tripod.com/games/index.blog?entry_id=1419325 |
| 18:33.56 | Tain | Of course I'll have to go buy a DS now. |
| 18:34.07 | Beladona | wth is with mariozilla? |
| 18:34.14 | Tain | I don't know but I like it! |
| 18:34.44 | Beladona | I wonder if that is the new affect of mushrooms |
| 18:35.01 | Beladona | instead of making you grow into adult mario, it makes you turn into giant mario |
| 18:35.18 | Beladona | weird idea, but hey, its nintendo |
| 18:35.49 | Cairenn | Beladona: interesting suggestion I just posted in the staff forums, when you get a chance to look |
| 18:35.56 | Beladona | kk |
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| 18:40.56 | Elkano | Cairenn, wrt suggestions: read mine? (bugs, feature requests, ... in info box) |
| 18:42.31 | Cairenn | yeah, saw it. Dolby probably has as well, but he's been so swamped with work lately that he isn't getting much time to code for the sites ... |
| 18:42.50 | Cairenn | that'll calm down again once the Olympics are over |
| 18:43.12 | Cairenn | (god he could use a hand on the coding side of the site =/ ) |
| 18:48.32 | Beladona | Cairenn, replied to post |
| 18:48.38 | Cairenn | cool |
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| 18:52.03 | Cairenn | hey Iriel :) |
| 18:55.17 | Iriel | Morning |
| 18:57.19 | Iriel | The forum seems less lame today |
| 18:57.23 | Iriel | G15 thread notwithstanding |
| 18:57.33 | Cairenn | it's still early, give them time to wake up |
| 18:57.36 | Cairenn | =/ |
| 18:58.01 | Cairenn | wow, that was pessimistic of me, wasn't it? |
| 18:59.54 | Tain | What was that? Did someone say there was a distinct lack of G15 threads? |
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| 19:00.27 | Tain | I blame Shouryuu |
| 19:00.34 | Cairenn | remedying the situation is *not* required, Tain |
| 19:00.53 | Shouryuu | what did I do? |
| 19:00.58 | Shouryuu | why me? |
| 19:01.03 | Tain | You know me, "Helpful" is my middle name! |
| 19:01.12 | Cairenn | hahahhahahahaha |
| 19:01.20 | Tain | Oh good I can log into the forums today. I guess billing day is over. |
| 19:01.28 | Cairenn | errr, right, of course it is! *beams* |
| 19:02.00 | Tain | This is pretty funny just because I didn't know they are right in my backdoor. |
| 19:02.20 | Cairenn | *blink* |
| 19:02.26 | Tain | A friend of mine is interviewing for a community rep position with D&D Online, and they're located maybe 30 miles from me. |
| 19:02.55 | Cairenn | ah |
| 19:03.08 | Tain | Make that 24.3 miles. |
| 19:03.37 | Shouryuu | in what units are the .3 there? |
| 19:03.45 | Tain | Or my American schooling has taught me anything, that works out to about seventeen thousand kilometers. |
| 19:04.13 | Shouryuu | 0_o |
| 19:04.24 | Tain | I wonder if they're hiring for anything else... |
| 19:06.08 | Shouryuu | man this poster I ordered about 6 month ago still isn't here |
| 19:08.06 | Beladona | burn! |
| 19:08.09 | Beladona | oh |
| 19:08.55 | Shouryuu | hey bela, you play(ed) planetside? |
| 19:10.18 | Tain | heh oh here I'm trying to search their website and I missed the, "View all jobs" button. |
| 19:10.25 | Beladona | interesting -- http://www.scitech.se/memprofiler -- wonder if that could be used on WOW, nevermind it being "allowed" |
| 19:10.59 | Cairenn | Beladona: hypothetically speaking of course, right? |
| 19:11.24 | Beladona | well, it could be useful in measuring changes before and after an addon is installed |
| 19:11.31 | Beladona | =D |
| 19:11.50 | Beladona | I am thinking it won't work though |
| 19:11.56 | Beladona | and not sure I want to try |
| 19:12.11 | Tain | Well hell, they have a network engineer position up. |
| 19:15.21 | Tain | Damn I love how easy companies make it to apply. |
| 19:17.49 | Tain | I could be working in the NOC for D&D Online, or Middle Earth Online, that could be fun. |
| 19:18.36 | Tain | Don't think it would do anything with WoW since WoW isn't a .NET app. |
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| 19:25.52 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge is Mod Dev Discussions: Keep smiling! It makes people wonder what you are up to... |
| 19:31.48 | Cairenn | ~wb |
| 19:31.50 | purl | thx |
| 19:34.07 | Beladona | Shouryuu - late reply, but yeah I played Planetside |
| 19:34.41 | Shouryuu | is it any good? |
| 19:35.09 | Shouryuu | it's a MMOFPS right? |
| 19:35.46 | Beladona | it WAS good |
| 19:35.56 | Beladona | but in true SOE fashion, it is pretty dead |
| 19:36.18 | Tain | Oh god. Any real Lost fans here? |
| 19:36.28 | Beladona | define real |
| 19:36.32 | Beladona | I watch it |
| 19:36.37 | Beladona | but I don't have Lost underoos |
| 19:37.17 | Tain | http://www.weirdal.com/lostrhapsody/lostrhapsody.htm If you can watch/listen to a video. Completely safe for work, Wierd Al. |
| 19:40.18 | Cairenn | yo, id`, you awake? you've got some feedback on one of your support threads at my site |
| 19:43.09 | Beladona | ok that is just wrong |
| 19:43.17 | Tain | I dont' have the words. |
| 19:47.18 | [MoonWolf] | Okay people, i need you to throw idea's at me |
| 19:47.53 | [MoonWolf] | Damage information addons in general.... what would you like to see, what good stuff is out, what should not be done.... |
| 19:51.35 | [MoonWolf] | eeew |
| 19:51.42 | Tain | That's a ripe one. |
| 19:51.43 | Cairenn | lol |
| 19:52.14 | [MoonWolf] | im gone for a while, any people with real idea' |
| 19:52.14 | Cairenn | okay, this is sad .... I'm sitting here laughing myself sick over that |
| 19:52.19 | [MoonWolf] | send me a pm. |
| 19:52.22 | Cairenn | :( |
| 19:52.37 | [MoonWolf] | away |
| 19:55.48 | futr-sleep | critter damage logging!! |
| 19:56.03 | Cairenn | morning futr-sleep |
| 19:56.18 | futr-sleep | afternoon ;'] been gardening |
| 19:56.27 | Cairenn | I hate you :p |
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| 19:56.33 | futrtrubl | why? |
| 19:57.18 | Cairenn | any work I do outside involves parka, toque, gloves, winter boots and the shovel I'm using is for snow, not dirt |
| 19:57.31 | Cairenn | I hate you :p |
| 19:57.35 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 19:57.44 | futrtrubl | can always have plants inside |
| 19:57.49 | Cide | northern sweden is the same, Cairenn :( |
| 19:57.57 | Cairenn | not the same thing, futrtrubl |
| 19:58.03 | Cairenn | Cide: *nod* |
| 19:58.10 | Cairenn | winter can go away now, really, it can |
| 19:58.12 | futrtrubl | I had a hefty orchid collection when I was in Ithaca |
| 19:58.25 | Cide | indeed, it's too cold |
| 19:59.04 | futrtrubl | I quite like winter down here, cool breezes. Pool's a bit chilly though |
| 19:59.13 | Elkano | well, you could move to a country which is father south and has horizontaly aligned mountains ;) |
| 19:59.56 | Cairenn | Elkano: was that to me or Cide? |
| 19:59.57 | futrtrubl | umm what are "horizontaly aligned mountains"? |
| 20:00.31 | Elkano | W-E like in Germany instead of America's N-S |
| 20:00.32 | futrtrubl | probably both Cairenn |
| 20:00.40 | futrtrubl | ahhh |
| 20:01.08 | Elkano | well, mainly to you Cairenn 'cause I know you live in Canada |
| 20:01.53 | Cairenn | not moving anywhere for another ... ummm, 11 months or so ... then all bets are off as to where I'm going to end up |
| 20:02.23 | Tain | hehe wow there was actually a blue response to a G15 thread in the Mac Support forums of all places. Last year though. |
| 20:02.25 | futrtrubl | sweden is mostly N-S right? Or am I embarassing myself |
| 20:02.32 | Cide | northern sweden sounds like a good pick. |
| 20:03.07 | Cide | N-S meaning it stretches from north to south? |
| 20:03.12 | futrtrubl | yes |
| 20:03.22 | Cide | then the answer is yes |
| 20:03.42 | futrtrubl | good ;'] |
| 20:04.32 | Cairenn | Cide: nope, too much winter, sorry |
| 20:04.35 | Cide | Cairenn: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=324368&p=1&tmp=1#post324368 |
| 20:04.52 | Cide | yeah, if I could choose I doubt I'd pick Sweden myself :) |
| 20:05.37 | futrtrubl | Jamaica ftw |
| 20:06.04 | Tain | Jamaica? Nah she wanted to. |
| 20:06.43 | futrtrubl | unless it's for the Winter Olympics. In which case it's Jamaica ft"did we qualify for any events?" |
| 20:07.07 | Cairenn | Cide: thanks for the link, and, ummm, yeah, the person is blind |
| 20:07.08 | futrtrubl | She came of her own Concord. |
| 20:07.20 | Tain | haha! |
| 20:07.36 | Elkano | wrt Jamaica and winter olympics: look out for Brazil's bob team ;) |
| 20:07.51 | futrtrubl | copy cats |
| 20:08.15 | futrtrubl | footballers trying to bobsled... hah!! ;'] |
| 20:08.30 | Tain | Brazil gets a pass from me on everything due to the invention of the Brazillian wax. |
| 20:08.48 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 20:18.18 | Cairenn | futrtrubl: I hear that Jamaica isn't the most ... stable ... place in the world right now |
| 20:20.49 | futrtrubl | it's fine |
| 20:21.38 | Cairenn | lern2ignore? |
| 20:22.53 | Cairenn | just heard that there is some political/societal instability of late |
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| 20:23.46 | futrtrubl | nothing really going on here, the Primeminister is retiring so his party is electing a new one is all, nothing that would get jamaicans excited |
| 20:24.03 | Cairenn | cool |
| 20:24.17 | elema | ? |
| 20:24.33 | futrtrubl | ?? |
| 20:24.43 | elema | which country ? |
| 20:24.56 | futrtrubl | Jamaica |
| 20:25.13 | Cairenn | futrtrubl is trying to convince me to move there |
| 20:25.22 | elema | ähmm |
| 20:25.27 | elema | so he is from there ? |
| 20:25.31 | futrtrubl | yup |
| 20:25.55 | elema | is the "rum" as good as the germans say ? |
| 20:26.11 | Cairenn | mmmmmmmmmm, *real* Jamaican rum |
| 20:26.15 | futrtrubl | I hear Canada is nice though, I have plenty of relatives on both sides of my family up there |
| 20:26.33 | Cairenn | I'd never leave, if I could stand the winters |
| 20:26.34 | elema | holly crap, a world family ;) |
| 20:26.37 | elema | holy |
| 20:26.42 | futrtrubl | Appleton Estate Reserve....mmmmmm...... |
| 20:27.35 | futrtrubl | yeah, my family has traditionally been for the English monarchy, which has meant quite a bit of movement since Cromwell ;'] |
| 20:27.49 | elema | but I think some good guiness is really good too, isn't it ? |
| 20:28.39 | futrtrubl | lots of people like it down here, but I've never really got into Guiness, despite the fact you can live on it and milk |
| 20:28.40 | Cairenn | Guinness? that's not Jamaican |
| 20:29.10 | futrtrubl | Red Stripe is our beer |
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| 20:29.31 | Shouryuu | rawr |
| 20:29.36 | Cairenn | *purr* |
| 20:29.36 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 20:29.53 | Shouryuu | I;d better get one back this time... |
| 20:30.08 | Shouryuu | =P |
| 20:30.38 | JoshBorke | i think futrtrubl needs a huggle |
| 20:30.57 | elema | you don'T know guiness ? |
| 20:31.02 | elema | wah |
| 20:31.16 | futrtrubl | oh we love guiness down here |
| 20:31.26 | elema | meant cair |
| 20:31.40 | elema | the jamaicans know whats good, I think |
| 20:31.55 | Cairenn | I know guinness, but it isn't jamaican |
| 20:31.57 | futrtrubl | yes, we know our booze |
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| 20:32.59 | elema | yes, it's originally, I think scottish, but some say it is irish, not quite sure |
| 20:33.03 | Kremonte | is there any way to register a mouseclick on a bottom frame? like, i want to have a translucent aesthetics frame, with buttons under it that are clickable :Q |
| 20:33.07 | Cairenn | it's irish |
| 20:33.17 | elema | really? |
| 20:33.21 | Cairenn | yeah, really |
| 20:33.30 | futrtrubl | Kremonte, just don't mouseEnable the covering frames |
| 20:33.31 | id` | ORLY? |
| 20:33.42 | id` | you know theres a french town called orly? |
| 20:33.45 | id` | ^^ |
| 20:33.53 | Kremonte | yea id` =P |
| 20:33.54 | elema | yup |
| 20:33.58 | Kremonte | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/orly |
| 20:34.05 | id` | oRLY? |
| 20:34.15 | Kremonte | futrtrubl: huh? like <frame mouseEnable="false">? |
| 20:34.29 | elema | a friend of minbe was there, some years ago |
| 20:34.33 | elema | minne |
| 20:34.35 | elema | mine |
| 20:34.44 | futrtrubl | Kremonte yup |
| 20:34.54 | Kremonte | m(_ _)m |
| 20:34.58 | futrtrubl | that should allow you to click throught the frame |
| 20:35.00 | Cairenn | elema: http://www.guinness.com/ |
| 20:35.02 | Cairenn | it's irish |
| 20:35.27 | futrtrubl | though if you are dealing with fontstrings and textures then they should all be clickthoughable |
| 20:36.04 | futrtrubl | http://www.redstripebeer.com/ |
| 20:36.15 | Kremonte | yeah, just a texture |
| 20:36.17 | GenNMX|Thrae | Of course it's Irish -- there's one family which makes Beer. Beer = Irish since Drunkness = Irish. |
| 20:36.49 | elema | ;) |
| 20:37.15 | elema | so one time again the germans have showed, they just understand thingies about beer |
| 20:37.41 | elema | not about the old thingies brewd by jamaicans irishmen and so |
| 20:37.56 | Shouryuu | who said guiness was good booze? |
| 20:38.21 | elema | me |
| 20:38.40 | elema | and futrubl ( ithink he was it ) |
| 20:38.44 | elema | i think |
| 20:39.03 | GenNMX|Thrae | Ireland was mostly made up of Germanic tribes anyway, so it's more then likely their "age-old recipes" came from there too. |
| 20:39.04 | futrtrubl | I'm not fond of it, just most jamaicans are |
| 20:39.26 | futrtrubl | what I really feel like now is a Fat Tire... |
| 20:39.28 | elema | gennmx whu ? |
| 20:39.35 | Cairenn | most of my friends and relatives love Guinness too ... now, I hate beer, so I can't say ... |
| 20:39.43 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 20:39.54 | Shouryuu | I really, really, really, dislike guiness |
| 20:39.59 | Shouryuu | it's like, wrong |
| 20:39.59 | futrtrubl | I don't like hoppy beers, I like malty beers |
| 20:40.14 | Cairenn | now, a nice mead, that I can go for |
| 20:40.21 | elema | I think in any case best think germans did ever was brewing the becks beer |
| 20:40.22 | futrtrubl | Ales |
| 20:40.25 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 20:40.40 | elema | thing |
| 20:40.53 | Cairenn | but mostly, give me hard liquor or stay home :p |
| 20:40.58 | elema | or the jever ( nordic-like) |
| 20:41.21 | futrtrubl | Monty Python "Holy Grail" beer isn't bad either |
| 20:41.34 | elema | can you really drink it ? |
| 20:41.36 | GenNMX|Thrae | elema: The first invasion of England was by the Kingdoms of Norway, who killed a lot of its "native" inhabitants (who came from the European continent across a land bridge) |
| 20:42.13 | futrtrubl | yeah, found Holy Grail in a liquor store in Arizona ;'] |
| 20:42.28 | elema | oh shit, the people from norwaykilled my ancestors .. auch |
| 20:42.42 | elema | why the hell in arizonea |
| 20:42.50 | futrtrubl | no idea |
| 20:43.00 | GenNMX|Thrae | The second invasion was by the King of Normandy, a Frenchman. They too did a lot of killing, so England's ancestral history is mixed with Anglos (the natives), Saxons, French, and some other germanic tribes. |
| 20:43.14 | futrtrubl | sorry about that elema, however we won't pay reparations |
| 20:43.20 | elema | ;) |
| 20:43.24 | elema | oh dear |
| 20:43.46 | elema | any other "hurt" people in here ? ;) |
| 20:43.48 | GenNMX|Thrae | The invasion by Normandy prompted a change in the English language, which is why about 50-70% of it is made up of French words. |
| 20:43.55 | elema | no |
| 20:44.10 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 20:44.16 | Shouryuu | French > english :p |
| 20:44.30 | elema | I don't speak as bad english as french ( i think) and now you tell me that french is the english's source ? |
| 20:44.30 | Shouryuu | |*|-|34|2 |\/|3 |
| 20:44.37 | elema | *panic* |
| 20:44.39 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yes, in many cases, the French words were "Anglosized" |
| 20:44.53 | elema | ok i had latin too |
| 20:44.56 | futrtrubl | the invasion by Normandy and the Doomsday Book, were also the major driving force behind the adoption of surnames |
| 20:45.07 | elema | latin>french>english |
| 20:45.11 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 20:45.30 | GenNMX|Thrae | So they may sound different and be spelled a little differently, but the etimology shows most words came from French. |
| 20:45.33 | Cairenn | elema: Latin > almost all modern day languages, in the western hemisphere |
| 20:45.41 | elema | yep |
| 20:45.43 | Elkano | all > french |
| 20:45.54 | futrtrubl | English is wierd mix of Germanic and romance |
| 20:45.55 | elema | but, try to speak latin ;) |
| 20:45.56 | GenNMX|Thrae | English does NOT derive from Latin or French |
| 20:46.05 | elema | what ? |
| 20:46.19 | GenNMX|Thrae | English is a Germanic language, it borrowed a lot of words from French, but its roots are still Germanic. |
| 20:46.25 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 20:46.29 | elema | look at extinguish in latin it is extinguere |
| 20:46.51 | Shouryuu | but that doesn't mean that the structure of latin and english are similar |
| 20:47.05 | futrtrubl | it's roots are Germanic, but the Roman occupation and the subsequent invasions introduced enough romance for it to be an even mix |
| 20:47.06 | elema | yap |
| 20:47.09 | Shouryuu | Taxi in malay is Taksi |
| 20:47.13 | GenNMX|Thrae | Japanese has a huge amount of English words that they use in everyday speech, that doesn't mean Japanese derived from English. |
| 20:47.19 | Shouryuu | english != malay |
| 20:47.20 | JoshBorke | when hooking a function, does the new function have to take the exact same arguments, or could i use (...)? |
| 20:47.56 | Elkano | well, they are written in katakana and most of them only sound somehow like the English word would... |
| 20:48.04 | futrtrubl | it's best if it takes the same args, onless you want it to take more |
| 20:48.13 | elema | so this gets mor eand more stupid ;) |
| 20:48.28 | elema | (imho) |
| 20:48.47 | elema | so people have a good night, tommorow is work again and so later |
| 20:48.53 | GenNMX|Thrae | We're not making this up, elema... |
| 20:49.02 | Codayus | Some of the silliest grammar rules in English came from very modern attempts by people to inapropriatly apply Latin grammar rules to English. English has borrowed a LOT from latin...but a lotfrom everything else. |
| 20:49.17 | Codayus | Too slow. :-/ |
| 20:49.22 | Cairenn | the English language is a mongrel |
| 20:49.26 | futrtrubl | I actually translated a scientific paper I wrote into English that had no Latin derived words. Was fun |
| 20:49.41 | JoshBorke | furtrtrubl: but technically lua doesn't care? |
| 20:49.59 | Codayus | Cairenn: Which helps explain its success of course. |
| 20:50.17 | GenNMX|Thrae | Codayus: No, if it borrowed from Latin, it wouldn't be nearly as screwed up as it is. It's screwed up because it borrowed from *French*, which itself is a derivitive of Latin. |
| 20:50.19 | futrtrubl | just know that all pre-existing calls to that func will only have the normal arguments passed to it |
| 20:50.36 | Cairenn | Codayus: and why it is the hardest language to learn if you aren't an English speaker by birth |
| 20:50.44 | id` | it isnt |
| 20:50.46 | Codayus | GenNMX|Thrae: Well, there has been quite a bit of borrowing directly from Latin. But yes. |
| 20:50.49 | id` | french was alot harder for me |
| 20:50.50 | id` | :p |
| 20:50.55 | id` | so i dropped it ^^ |
| 20:51.04 | GenNMX|Thrae | I think the only Latin words are from academia. |
| 20:51.06 | futrtrubl | id`, where are you from? |
| 20:51.10 | id` | I'm dutch |
| 20:51.18 | Beladona | double dutch? |
| 20:51.21 | GenNMX|Thrae | Because academia was ruled by the nobles, and they thought it would sound cool. |
| 20:51.21 | Codayus | Cairenn: I don't think it is, actually. I've heard Russian grammar makes it quite a bit harder. The vocab is easier, but the grammar is nuts. |
| 20:51.25 | futrtrubl | then the germanic root helped you |
| 20:51.40 | id` | kids - from 8 year old and on - get english dutch and french or german @ school |
| 20:51.51 | id` | over here |
| 20:51.52 | id` | :) |
| 20:52.06 | JoshBorke | i thought english was from german? |
| 20:52.14 | JoshBorke | or should i just stay quiet? |
| 20:52.22 | Cairenn | it is, in part, we've already been over that ;) |
| 20:52.26 | Beladona | I think learning foreign languages should be as stressed here in the US as learning english is in many other countries |
| 20:52.27 | futrtrubl | JoshBorke, ;'] read the last couple of pages ;'] |
| 20:52.40 | GenNMX|Thrae | I believe the hardest "popular" language excluding English to both read,write, and speak is Chinese and Mandarin. |
| 20:52.42 | Cairenn | Beladona: definitely |
| 20:52.43 | Beladona | but of course, learning in general often isn't stressed enough here |
| 20:52.48 | Codayus | JoshBorke: Sorta, yes. |
| 20:52.57 | Cairenn | Beladona: and even more so definitely |
| 20:53.10 | Beladona | my kids will love school |
| 20:53.19 | GenNMX|Thrae | Beladona: I heavily agree, but I think it's just as you said, it's not stressed enough as is. |
| 20:53.23 | id` | Beladona: It's still not cool when I don't get jokes as fast as native english speakers.. but alot of times i just think in english |
| 20:53.30 | Cairenn | the US public school system, *in general*, makes me weep |
| 20:53.35 | id` | Beladona: wich is weird |
| 20:53.48 | Beladona | well, some of it involves parents |
| 20:53.50 | id` | 'whats the word in dutch again', when i _do_ know it in english |
| 20:53.51 | id` | hehe |
| 20:53.52 | id` | :p |
| 20:53.55 | GenNMX|Thrae | In the US, we don't really learn "English" -- we learn "American" ;) |
| 20:53.59 | Beladona | and sadly, most parents over here don't really get involved |
| 20:54.00 | Codayus | Cairenn: It's remarkably broken, ya. |
| 20:54.05 | Beladona | they leave it all to the school |
| 20:54.36 | futrtrubl | it's fine, lern2reed |
| 20:54.37 | Beladona | thankfully I was one of those kids that looked for stuff to learn |
| 20:55.08 | Beladona | in HS history the teacher had me writing the tests |
| 20:55.17 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 20:55.21 | id` | meh, i was lazy in middle school |
| 20:55.22 | GenNMX|Thrae | I still kick myself for having an audial disability =( |
| 20:55.26 | Codayus | Beladona: I think the issues are more systemic than that. The current system + motivated parents = still broken. You might see some improvements on the margin, but... |
| 20:56.11 | Beladona | my god |
| 20:56.32 | Beladona | yeah, I love the new system Florida has (sarcastic) |
| 20:56.43 | Cairenn | the sad thing I'm seeing, is that the Canadian system is slowly deteriorating as well, for the main ... |
| 20:56.45 | Beladona | with the FCAT |
| 20:56.59 | Beladona | and now they are going to tie in teacher raises with FCAT performance at each school |
| 20:57.07 | [MoonWolf] | FCAT ? |
| 20:57.20 | Beladona | basically, you learn all year |
| 20:57.21 | Shouryuu | Fat CAT |
| 20:57.22 | Beladona | and then take the FCAT |
| 20:57.31 | Beladona | if you don't pass the FCAT, you don't pass that grade |
| 20:57.35 | [MoonWolf] | no intermediate testing ? |
| 20:57.36 | Beladona | same with graduating |
| 20:57.40 | Beladona | nope |
| 20:57.41 | GenNMX|Thrae | Motivated parents aren't going to help if the parents themselves are stupid. It's a vicious cycle -- the system doesn't cultivate intelligent adults, and then those adults are in charge of making sure their children get the education they need. |
| 20:57.44 | Beladona | pretty shitty if you ask me |
| 20:57.45 | [MoonWolf] | that is STUPED |
| 20:57.49 | id` | haha |
| 20:57.50 | id` | :p |
| 20:58.01 | Beladona | some people are just NOT good at tests |
| 20:58.03 | Shouryuu | that's idiotic |
| 20:58.10 | [MoonWolf] | how do you know what to focus on if you have no idea what you can and cannot do well. |
| 20:58.17 | Beladona | and basing it on a single test on one day is seriously stupid |
| 20:58.19 | id` | its ustpid you stuupdi |
| 20:58.21 | id` | :P |
| 20:58.24 | [MoonWolf] | and sometimes you know what you can and cant do, but not alway's. |
| 20:58.29 | futrtrubl | god's, we really need a way to list valid texture path/filenames, or to check if a given path/filename is valid |
| 20:58.36 | Beladona | they have testing in class before the main FCAT |
| 20:58.41 | Beladona | and they do practice tests, and such |
| 20:58.45 | Cairenn | Beladona: that's insane |
| 20:58.48 | Beladona | but they aren't part of your overall grade |
| 20:58.51 | Beladona | the final FCAT is |
| 20:58.56 | Cairenn | that's absolutely insane |
| 20:58.59 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yes Beladona, I have that problem myself. In all of life, nothing stresses me out as much as tests -- no matter how much I study, when I get to the test, I almost pass out from stress. One time I did pass out. |
| 20:59.00 | Shouryuu | Gen - there's a difference between uneducated and stupid |
| 20:59.24 | Beladona | the problem is, the majority of voters in florida are old, and old people think its a great idea |
| 20:59.30 | Codayus | Well, it's better than not teeaching OR testing. There has to be something that stops people graduating with B+ averages from high school but being unable to read or write oO |
| 20:59.32 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 20:59.47 | Shouryuu | well bela, "graduation" in France is exactly the same thing... |
| 20:59.54 | Beladona | the FCAT doesn't fix the overall problem in schools |
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| 21:00.09 | Beladona | it just puts more stress on the student to learn enough before the end |
| 21:00.11 | Shouryuu | we have tests that only train us for a final exam... |
| 21:00.17 | Beladona | like students need more stress |
| 21:00.29 | Codayus | At least people who fail will find out they have problems before they hit college. |
| 21:00.38 | Codayus | Which is currently an actual problem. |
| 21:00.41 | Beladona | you don't understand |
| 21:00.42 | GenNMX|Thrae | Shouryuu: Right, it's the uneducated (or undereducated) parents which is the real crime. |
| 21:00.49 | Beladona | if you fail the FCAT, there is no college |
| 21:00.54 | Beladona | much less a diploma |
| 21:00.57 | Tem | I like France's educational system |
| 21:01.02 | futrtrubl | wow, my wish was granted! isFound = Texture:SetTexture("path") |
| 21:01.04 | Shouryuu | it's hard-core |
| 21:01.11 | Shouryuu | and rather elitist |
| 21:01.15 | Tem | It weeds out the people I don't want to have class with anyway |
| 21:01.15 | Beladona | you can get a GED, but well |
| 21:01.19 | Beladona | heh |
| 21:01.30 | Tem | I wish we had that system in the US |
| 21:01.35 | GenNMX|Thrae | Switzlerland has free schooling up into your Bachelor's in College -- that's good stuff. |
| 21:01.43 | Tem | my highschool years would have been SO much less stressful |
| 21:01.49 | Codayus | If you fail the FCAT, how well will you do in college? The system needs to catch people who are failing earlier - but FCAT is a start. |
| 21:02.02 | Beladona | I disagree |
| 21:02.07 | Shouryuu | and Gen I don't think being uneducated is a crime... It's like saying being poor is a crime. Not that all uneducated people are poor, or vice versa |
| 21:02.16 | Shouryuu | Tem - Highschool is easy in france. What comes next, is hardcore |
| 21:02.16 | Beladona | there are people out there that do really well in school, but choke on a written test |
| 21:02.23 | Shouryuu | <==== ne |
| 21:02.25 | Shouryuu | *me |
| 21:02.48 | GenNMX|Thrae | Shouryuu: You're mincing my words. The crime is that it's not happening. I never said it was the people's fault they're not getting educated. |
| 21:02.48 | Tem | yeah that's definately a weakness |
| 21:02.55 | Cairenn | basing your entire grade on a single test is absolutely completely and utterly insane, if not criminal, imo |
| 21:02.59 | Codayus | That's a legitmate concern - but a MUCH smaller problem than currently exists. |
| 21:03.08 | Shouryuu | Gen - Sorry, misread, just tired :p |
| 21:03.22 | Beladona | well look who our governor is |
| 21:03.27 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 21:03.28 | Tem | The problem is that the dumb kids who are in the same classes as the smart kids are holding everyong back |
| 21:03.33 | Beladona | Mr. All or Nothing |
| 21:03.38 | Beladona | just like his brother |
| 21:03.39 | Shouryuu | that's wrong to say Tem |
| 21:03.45 | Tem | sorry |
| 21:03.47 | Tem | but it's true |
| 21:03.48 | Shouryuu | =P |
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| 21:03.58 | Shouryuu | well the smart kids have to help the dumb kids then |
| 21:04.02 | Shouryuu | and things will work out |
| 21:04.02 | Tem | when the dumb kid doesn't get something, the teacher has to stop and explain it again |
| 21:04.03 | Codayus | People are graduating without getting educated, and without even knowing that the system has failed them. People are getting to college WITHOUT a high school education. That's criminal. |
| 21:04.14 | Cairenn | depends on the motivation of the teacher, the students and the parents, then, Tem |
| 21:04.22 | GenNMX|Thrae | Unless you live in an area with exceptionally good schooling, your best bet would be private school or home tutoring. |
| 21:04.28 | Tem | it's time that the teacher could have spent teacher more stuff |
| 21:04.28 | Shouryuu | So what, should the dumb kid be given less of a chance than the smart one |
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| 21:04.33 | Tem | no |
| 21:04.47 | Tem | The 'dumb' should be placed with others on the same level |
| 21:04.53 | Shouryuu | so if a smart kid doesn't understand, and a dumb kid does, should the teacher not explain to the samrt one? |
| 21:04.55 | Tem | it's virtually impossible |
| 21:04.58 | Codayus | Several states are implementing standardized tests that test at a very low level before people can graduate. And students with B+ or even A averages are failing them, because they can't read at a junior high school level, and they're supposed to be graduating. So...totally...broken... |
| 21:05.02 | Beladona | they have gotten some criticism about FCAT though, so it may be changing |
| 21:05.28 | JoshBorke | i think there should be more incentive for the 'smart' kids to help the 'dumb' kids |
| 21:05.34 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 21:05.34 | Beladona | not yet |
| 21:05.38 | GenNMX|Thrae | I live in Maryland, where there's a huge home schooling movement because the inner city schools are so dangerous. Lots of drugs, violence, gang violence, sex, etc. |
| 21:05.47 | Beladona | they are putting hurting on teachers though to get students ready for the FCAT |
| 21:06.06 | Beladona | I support home schooling |
| 21:06.12 | Codayus | <--- home schooled |
| 21:06.33 | futrtrubl | <------ very much not home schooled |
| 21:06.33 | Beladona | most home schooled people I know are smarter on average than public school kids |
| 21:06.34 | Cairenn | a single test does NOT properly reflect how much a student has learned, some people just do not have the aptitude for tests |
| 21:07.02 | krka | woooooo, 2 golds today |
| 21:07.08 | GenNMX|Thrae | I think the government should get involved in home schooling. You'd get the best of both worlds if communities home schooled instead of individuals -- that way children also get some of the social interaction they would get from public school. |
| 21:07.14 | krka | and finals in curling and semi in hockey |
| 21:07.17 | Tem | The problem with homeschooling is that it the children don't interact as much with other children |
| 21:07.23 | Codayus | Cairenn: That's an argument for more teasts, not no tests. :-) And I agree, fwiw. |
| 21:07.24 | Tem | and that can lead to problems |
| 21:07.26 | Iriel | Why not just make the public school system work instead? |
| 21:07.27 | krka | and also a bronze |
| 21:07.31 | Iriel | You know, fund it appropriatey |
| 21:07.32 | krka | best day ever |
| 21:07.35 | Codayus | Social interaction = totally overated. :-) |
| 21:07.43 | Cairenn | Iriel: precisely |
| 21:07.59 | krka | i agree with all of you! |
| 21:08.19 | Shouryuu | what are homeschools? |
| 21:08.19 | Shouryuu | Private schools/ |
| 21:08.27 | krka | no, parent teaches at home |
| 21:08.28 | Iriel | I see homeschooling (for the most part, there are exceptions) as bypassing the problem, and not fixing it |
| 21:08.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | Iriel: The people with money can afford expensive home schooling methods or private schools, the people without money don't vote as much. |
| 21:08.28 | Codayus | Homeschool = parents teach the child. |
| 21:08.33 | Beladona | this is the issue I have dealt with in the IT field for several companies I ahve worked for |
| 21:08.34 | krka | so it's like ... school... at home |
| 21:08.39 | Beladona | most people today look for ways to bandaid a problem |
| 21:08.58 | Beladona | few understand how to solve the issue, and not the symtoms |
| 21:09.01 | Shouryuu | Iriel: really agreed there |
| 21:09.09 | Shouryuu | and what are home schools? |
| 21:09.12 | Beladona | the same can be said of medicine |
| 21:09.15 | krka | need to stop pushing everyone through the same grinding process |
| 21:09.26 | Iriel | Meeting time, back later. |
| 21:09.32 | krka | people of the same age aren't at the same level for each subject |
| 21:09.33 | GenNMX|Thrae | Ideally we should just fix the schools, but the government has been claiming for 40-odd years that it's the schools fault, not theirs. |
| 21:09.35 | Shouryuu | it's just creating a vicious circle |
| 21:09.48 | krka | individualize it |
| 21:10.00 | Codayus | Social promotion is an awful idea, yes. |
| 21:10.09 | krka | do Maths 1, and do Maths 2 when you finish that |
| 21:10.13 | Shouryuu | the educate educate their children, and the uneducated don't. They send them to public schools which are underfunded... =( |
| 21:10.19 | krka | not after a specific amount of time, but when you finish it |
| 21:10.21 | Shouryuu | and man my internet is pissing me off |
| 21:10.23 | GenNMX|Thrae | If we increase home schooling, maybe we'll have people educated enough to get the underlying problem fixed. |
| 21:10.31 | krka | same thing for all subjects |
| 21:10.40 | Codayus | krka: That is a sensible souggestion, and it would improve the system. It will never ever happen. |
| 21:10.43 | krka | think of subjects as a directed acyclic graph |
| 21:10.59 | krka | where the "arrows" are dependencies |
| 21:11.02 | Beladona | I am heading out. Be back online soon I hope |
| 21:11.04 | GenNMX|Thrae | Shouryuu: Some situations the parent learns along with the student. |
| 21:11.10 | GenNMX|Thrae | s/student/child |
| 21:11.22 | Beladona | well, I know who will be doing the math help at my house |
| 21:11.23 | Cairenn | later Bela and Iriel |
| 21:11.34 | Beladona | my wife once threw her math book at a wall |
| 21:11.37 | Beladona | =P |
| 21:11.58 | futrtrubl | Minimap:SetMaskTexture("file") SWEET!! |
| 21:11.58 | krka | did it work? |
| 21:12.04 | Beladona | the wall got smarter |
| 21:12.08 | krka | canada vs russia now |
| 21:12.08 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 21:12.10 | krka | exciting match! |
| 21:12.39 | futrtrubl | now we just need the equivalent for portraits |
| 21:13.55 | krka | GOAL |
| 21:14.08 | futrtrubl | jeeze, 1.10 is a HUGE update... |
| 21:14.31 | krka | russia is kicking canadas ass |
| 21:15.26 | Cairenn | men's hockey, I'm presuming? |
| 21:15.43 | krka | yes |
| 21:15.52 | krka | very good match |
| 21:15.53 | Cairenn | futrtrubl: yeah, it's gonna be massive when it hits |
| 21:15.58 | krka | not like sweden - slovakia |
| 21:16.15 | Shouryuu | I can't wait for 1.10 |
| 21:16.22 | JoshBorke | do we get key rings in 1.10? |
| 21:16.30 | Shouryuu | key rings? |
| 21:16.46 | Cairenn | I'm already cringing at the thought of the Blizz UI forum when it goes live |
| 21:17.14 | Shouryuu | hehehe |
| 21:17.18 | JoshBorke | for the ungodly amount of keys that each take one slot |
| 21:17.20 | krka | heh |
| 21:17.24 | Shouryuu | I *won't* be here |
| 21:18.42 | futrtrubl | anyone know what was in the "RunScript enhancement or loadstring??" thread? It seems to have disappeared. |
| 21:19.12 | Shouryuu | I actualy think that the UI forum is a self regulating system, and we are doing wrong by answering too many questions. If we don't answer questions, people will *have* to find out things for themselves, and learn! |
| 21:19.44 | Shouryuu | I'm quite sure that if we didn't move at all, ultimately, everyone who has a broken UI will have repaired it |
| 21:20.03 | JoshBorke | no, they will have just disabled the addons |
| 21:20.07 | JoshBorke | don't kid yourself |
| 21:20.14 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:20.30 | Shouryuu | we need to find a test group... |
| 21:22.02 | Kremonte | blargh, how can i duplicate my bag buttons? |
| 21:22.13 | JoshBorke | what is going to happen, is once developers stop answering questions on the forums, you have 1 subset of people going to mod developers webpages, you have another subset of people fixing it themself, and the third subset disables the addons |
| 21:23.21 | futrtrubl | damn. the FontObjects thread is gone too |
| 21:23.53 | GenNMX|Thrae | JoshBorke: Considering which addons are the most popular, I've always been under the belief that the main reason people try out addons is because they think it'll make their WoW experience "easier". |
| 21:24.05 | krka | i am giving up on swedish hockey gold, canada, russia and finland are all in great shape |
| 21:24.41 | krka | when you wrote subset, did you mean partition? |
| 21:25.15 | krka | or more fun |
| 21:25.22 | krka | (to gen) |
| 21:28.15 | Kremonte | is it possible to duplicate the bag buttons? i mean, not just calling functions to open them, but to also have like arrow/shard counters on respective special bags? |
| 21:28.34 | JoshBorke | Gen: I agree, but when patches come around, users have to re-evaluate whether the frustrations from the broken mod is worth making their WoW experience easier |
| 21:30.27 | Anduin|Gone | No keyrings in 1.10 that i've seen, but they said they were working on them |
| 21:31.01 | JoshBorke | yea, i can't wait until they are in |
| 21:31.19 | JoshBorke | i'm also looking forward to the dynamic frames a lot |
| 21:32.05 | Anduin|Gone | they're also changing how bags work in 1.10 all bag mods that loop through the current 17 will need to be changed to 11 |
| 21:32.30 | Anduin|Gone | other than that they work fine |
| 21:32.54 | ForgottenLords | how do you change text color in a string? |
| 21:33.14 | Tem | |cff<hexcolorcode>Text|r |
| 21:33.38 | ForgottenLords | w00t! I thought I'd have to re-word that question :) |
| 21:33.39 | ForgottenLords | thanks! |
| 21:34.19 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tem: I've always wondered, what is the first ff for? |
| 21:34.30 | Anduin|Gone | alpha |
| 21:34.32 | Tem | not entirely shure |
| 21:34.33 | Tem | sure |
| 21:34.37 | Tem | but if I had to guess |
| 21:34.40 | GenNMX|Thrae | Ahhh, that's what I was thinking |
| 21:34.40 | Tem | I'd say alph |
| 21:35.36 | Tem | good lord |
| 21:35.40 | Tem | I should go back to sleep |
| 21:35.45 | Tem | that was terrible |
| 21:35.46 | Anduin|Gone | me tooo |
| 21:38.17 | JoshBorke | i was always curious, what is the reason behind the 120 uniq ids? |
| 21:38.47 | JoshBorke | the limit i guess |
| 21:39.04 | Kremonte | oh wow |
| 21:39.04 | Anduin|Gone | huh? |
| 21:39.10 | Kremonte | the bag buttons are hardcoded into MainMenuBar -_- |
| 21:39.33 | Anduin|Gone | only the tip of the iceberg grasshopper |
| 21:41.08 | futrtrubl | Kremonte; why not mak a fontstring and parent it to a bag button to do the numbers? |
| 21:41.30 | Kremonte | futrtrubl: just trying to make bag buttons on visor |
| 21:41.33 | Kremonte | but it's proving hard |
| 21:41.37 | Kremonte | i had an idea though, just now |
| 21:41.46 | futrtrubl | reparent the bag buttons to another frame |
| 21:42.48 | Kremonte | ya |
| 21:42.52 | Kremonte | that's my idea, lol |
| 21:43.03 | futrtrubl | greate minds.... |
| 21:43.11 | futrtrubl | great* |
| 21:43.41 | Cairenn | you know the rest of that expression, right? |
| 21:44.20 | Kremonte | think very differently ^___________________________^ |
| 21:44.44 | GenNMX|Thrae | "great minds think....like GenNMX." |
| 21:44.47 | krka | you got pwnd cairenn |
| 21:44.52 | Cairenn | I did? |
| 21:45.05 | krka | well, male canadian hockey team |
| 21:45.08 | Cairenn | ah |
| 21:45.08 | krka | close enough |
| 21:45.20 | Cairenn | ah well, win some, lose some |
| 21:45.33 | krka | yeah |
| 21:45.42 | krka | sweden really got in the easiest grouo |
| 21:45.57 | krka | will only have to phase one of canada, russia, finland... and we can scratch canada now |
| 21:46.05 | krka | phase... wtf am i writing |
| 21:50.34 | zespri | lol, lol http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-priest/640765.htm |
| 21:52.41 | krka | i shuld giv up on english and just forse yu all to right in swedish |
| 21:54.21 | zespri | krka, actually this a nice idea. but instead swidish it should be language natural for ppl. such as russian =) |
| 21:58.35 | JoshBorke | i have an idea for a damage monitoring mod: add data-sync'ing to recap :-D |
| 21:59.20 | zespri | excellent idea, when are you planning to do this, JoshBorke? |
| 21:59.56 | JoshBorke | no, no, someone else asked for ideas, i was just posting it :-D |
| 22:00.10 | JoshBorke | i don't remember who asked |
| 22:00.24 | zespri | ah |
| 22:01.13 | Cairenn | [moonwolf] was asking |
| 22:01.19 | JoshBorke | ah, danke |
| 22:01.29 | Cairenn | np |
| 22:02.56 | Josh|Away | later |
| 22:03.29 | Cairenn | have a good one |
| 22:07.31 | Cairenn | wb Iriel |
| 22:08.17 | Iriel | futrtrubl : The thread basically went "Iriel: Someone on the EU forums is asking if we can get an option to RunScript for it to throw errors normally so we can catch them with pcall, or better yet can we get loadstring" "Slouken: Ok, you can have loadstring in 1.10" "Iriel: Cool" |
| 22:15.27 | krka | yay |
| 22:15.33 | Cairenn | ? |
| 22:15.50 | krka | sorry, that was for the "we get loadstring" |
| 22:15.54 | Cairenn | ah |
| 22:16.28 | Cairenn | he really is very responsive to reasonable requests |
| 22:16.30 | digix | anyone heard of the "spellbook" addon? |
| 22:17.08 | Cairenn | spellbook addon? what's it do? |
| 22:17.31 | digix | no clue... was going through my addons and doing a little housecleaning |
| 22:17.34 | Cairenn | (aka, no, can't say as I have) |
| 22:17.53 | GenNMX|Thrae | The "Spellbook" addon? Isn't that the one which adds a Spellbook?! |
| 22:18.01 | Cairenn | lol |
| 22:18.12 | GenNMX|Thrae | Man, I love my Spellbook -- it's so much better then randomly guessing what spells I have! |
| 22:18.17 | digix | just a folder in my addons called "spellbook"; the lua is really simple and doesn't seem to do much of anything |
| 22:18.53 | GenNMX|Thrae | I remember back in alpha 0.0001 where we had to code our buttons from stratch, and at the time we were all blind Peasants with only the attack of "Kaboom!" |
| 22:18.54 | krka | iriel, can you ask for movement back? :) |
| 22:19.13 | krka | slouken might just blindly agree because it's you :) |
| 22:19.27 | Cairenn | krka: aka AT? |
| 22:19.35 | GenNMX|Thrae | krka: That's not up to Slouken ;) |
| 22:19.42 | Cairenn | and no, it isn't |
| 22:20.14 | krka | yeah, how'd you guess? |
| 22:20.26 | Cairenn | gee, I wonder ;) |
| 22:20.46 | krka | actually, i'd be happy with an auto-run that could follow the road |
| 22:23.16 | digix | yeah, a somewhat smart auto-run would be appreciated... not necessarily follow the road exactly, but at least attempt to dodge obstacles |
| 22:23.36 | GenNMX|Thrae | I petitioned for Horse Routes |
| 22:23.48 | digix | ooooooooo |
| 22:23.49 | GenNMX|Thrae | Does anyone use Norton Personal Firewall in here? |
| 22:24.55 | digix | no firewall at all here |
| 22:25.10 | krka | firewall is l4m3 |
| 22:25.31 | digix | least not in the conventional sense..... i try to use my router as its intdended :) |
| 22:25.42 | krka | maybe i should create a directions-mod instead |
| 22:26.03 | krka | though just seeing the position is usually good enough |
| 22:26.44 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well, let's see... |
| 22:26.47 | GenNMX|Thrae | startkeylogger |
| 22:26.56 | GenNMX|Thrae | Nope, guess no one has NPF in here. |
| 22:27.07 | GenNMX|Thrae | Otherwise that command would cause them to quit their IRC cilent. |
| 22:36.47 | Cairenn | okay, not really |
| 22:36.51 | ckknight | lol |
| 22:39.34 | Cairenn | never did get into the whole body-builder guys ... I prefer a guy whose brains aren't all in his biceps |
| 22:40.19 | Anduin|Gone | that sounds painful |
| 22:41.26 | Cairenn | mind you, I also prefer a guy whose brains aren't all in his pants, either |
| 22:41.42 | Iriel | What if he doesn't wear pants? |
| 22:41.55 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 22:43.41 | Anduin|Gone | anyone know what the frame name of the ctre emergency monitor is? |
| 22:44.40 | Anduin|Gone | nm |
| 22:46.26 | Anduin|Gone | anyone got any idea why a toplevel menu would show up behind the Emergency Monitor? I don't see any framestrata or toplevel settings on the EM.. |
| 22:47.10 | GenNMX|Thrae | Maybe the menu is toplevel, but its elements are not? Or the default is toplevel? |
| 22:47.30 | GenNMX|Thrae | Try setting the EM's framestrata as "Low" |
| 22:47.57 | Anduin|Gone | right, need a raid grp first... I'll have to tr it at work. |
| 22:48.44 | Anduin|Gone | the QA accoutns are nice. I can just dupe the application and log in with the same account on a diff char on the same server |
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| 22:54.20 | Anduin|Gone | what's the new 1.9.4 channel called? |
| 22:56.23 | zeeg | anyone got a ver # for 1.9.4 |
| 22:57.15 | Anduin|Gone | ? |
| 22:57.32 | zeeg | the actual ver # isnt 1.9.4 |
| 22:57.35 | zeeg | but thats the public ver # |
| 22:58.32 | Cairenn | 1.9.4.5086 |
| 22:58.37 | zeeg | thx Cairenn |
| 22:58.45 | zeeg | the 5086 is the stuff i needed :) |
| 22:59.13 | Cairenn | you can always get it on our WDN site: http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ |
| 22:59.38 | Shadowd | UnitBuff( "target", index ) will return the units buffs if they have detect magic on them and their hostile I assume? |
| 22:59.47 | Cairenn | or simply right click on the WoW.exe in the WoW folder > properties>version |
| 22:59.55 | zeeg | mm didnt know about the last option |
| 22:59.55 | Anduin|Gone | oh right. that's the build# |
| 23:00.01 | GenNMX|Thrae | Cairenn: You should have an acronymn for your Author Portals |
| 23:00.23 | Anduin|Gone | test build as of last night was lik 5115 |
| 23:00.24 | Cairenn | GenNMX|Thrae: mrh? |
| 23:00.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | "Creatively Responsive Author Portals"! |
| 23:00.38 | Cairenn | oh, thanks :p |
| 23:00.39 | zeeg | Anduin|Gone, ya i need it for our db, as thats what the WDB files are based off of |
| 23:00.49 | zeeg | so i can say "This item is from patch 1.9.4" |
| 23:01.07 | Cairenn | glad to know your opinion of them GenNMX|Thrae :p |
| 23:01.17 | zeeg | LOL |
| 23:01.19 | zeeg | i like that |
| 23:01.24 | Cairenn | you would |
| 23:01.25 | GenNMX|Thrae | What, that they're creatively responsive? |
| 23:01.27 | zeeg | :D |
| 23:01.43 | zeeg | Creative Response Author Portals makes more sense IMO |
| 23:01.46 | GenNMX|Thrae | ...Sorry, no offense was intended |
| 23:05.22 | GenNMX|Thrae | Gah! It's 6:06! |
| 23:05.29 | Cairenn | yup, that it is |
| 23:16.25 | Cairenn | apparently we are doomed to never knowing why it being 6:06 is such a problem ... |
| 23:18.51 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.20 | Shadowd | Is that thing even accurate? |
| 23:23.20 | Cairenn | ? |
| 23:23.21 | Shadowd | Agrometer |
| 23:23.21 | Cairenn | ah, no, someone is asking for one to be made, again |
| 23:23.21 | Cairenn | hi, not possible |
| 23:23.30 | Shadowd | Somebody posted and is actively working on one last I checked R&D forums |
| 23:24.08 | Cairenn | wouldn't be the first time, but they never get released |
| 23:24.19 | Shadowd | They also posted it |
| 23:24.31 | Cairenn | really? |
| 23:24.46 | Shadowd | Yeah, I havn't checked into it for a while though. Not sure what became of it |
| 23:25.25 | Cairenn | ah |
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| 23:42.23 | Tem | I wish people would just leave that alone |
| 23:42.32 | Tem | it's impossible |
| 23:42.42 | Tem | all the people that claim they can do it annoy me |
| 23:44.01 | Shadowd | Wish I still had the zip of it, he went pretty in depth trying to get something close |
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| 23:46.01 | Guillotine | ahhh. this is probably a stupid question, but how do you change the status of a bug report in your portal? I can't seem to find it... |
| 23:46.31 | Guillotine | nm. found it |
| 23:46.33 | Guillotine | hehe |
| 23:48.21 | Codayus | yeah, I was looking at the aggro meter. |
| 23:48.23 | Codayus | mod |
| 23:48.56 | Codayus | seems to work fairly well. The approach appears to be technically sound, although it requires all members of a raid to run it |
| 23:49.10 | Guillotine | ooo. what aggro meter mod? |
| 23:49.11 | Guillotine | link? |
| 23:50.09 | Shadowd | but it's still easier to just run damage meters and yell at people who are at the top |
| 23:50.33 | Codayus | BCheck the raid and dun[Beh, look in the R&D forum. |
| 23:50.52 | Codayus | doh, stupid client + lag. |
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| 23:51.51 | Codayus | Shadowd: well, I can't recall the last time my guild has had a problem on a raid with aggro...but...you can't just look at dps meters. Doesn't show healing aggro, or feint or fd. |
| 23:52.11 | Codayus | but screaming and humiliating anyone who draws agrro works pretty well. :-P |
| 23:53.44 | Shadowd | I don't recall healing ever being much of an issue aggro wise while learning like Firemaw. It was mostly just to get a basic idea, like if you saw a mage way up in the damage meters just let him know to lay off a little bit. |
| 23:55.37 | Codayus | yeah |
| 23:55.50 | Shadowd | Freint is overrated anyway |
| 23:55.54 | Shadowd | s/Freint/Feint/ |
| 23:56.00 | Codayus | the aggro meter appears to be far more detailed, and ore accurate. but I don'ty see a compelling need. |
| 23:56.11 | Cairenn | Shadowd: I have to ask ... you keep referring to "the R&D forum" ... what site? :p |
| 23:56.19 | Shadowd | Raid and dungeons forum :p |
| 23:56.25 | Shadowd | WoW forums |
| 23:56.37 | Cairenn | ah |
| 23:57.14 | Cairenn | R&D to me means Research & Development :p |
| 23:57.33 | Shadowd | Well maybe if you read more then the UI forums you'd know it meant Raid and dungeons! :p |
| 23:58.28 | Guillotine_ | holy crap. 6 pages of comments on my leeroy addon. I regret ever releasing that thing |
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