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| 00:17.14 | wowguru-9123 | is there anyone here? |
| 00:17.50 | Cairenn | aye |
| 00:18.02 | Legorol | nope, noone here... don't listen to Cairenn |
| 00:18.08 | Legorol | i'm not here either |
| 00:18.18 | Legorol | ehm.. i mean.. i didn't.. |
| 00:18.19 | Legorol | bah |
| 00:18.42 | wowguru-9123 | hey, has anyone seen the Raid Movie by Torian? |
| 00:18.55 | Cairenn | so I'm nobody, huh? |
| 00:18.57 | Legorol | nope, but if you have a link, happy to watch it |
| 00:19.04 | Legorol | you are not a nobody |
| 00:19.10 | Legorol | you are somebody, who isn't here |
| 00:19.14 | Legorol | that's a difference ;-) |
| 00:19.16 | Cairenn | ah, okay |
| 00:19.22 | Cairenn | you're forgiven then |
| 00:20.22 | wowguru-9123 | sorry, don't have a link; got it off Limewire. Trying to find out who does the song that accompanies it |
| 00:28.01 | id` | doop dee doop |
| 00:44.12 | Legorol | Iriel, in case you are around |
| 00:44.21 | Legorol | 1.10 will roll around with the FrameXML lockdown.. |
| 00:44.34 | Legorol | do you have any ideas on how to get "ahead" of the Blizzard UI code? |
| 00:44.44 | Legorol | totally impossible, right? |
| 00:44.54 | Legorol | i would like some code, any code, loaded before the blizz one .. |
| 00:45.17 | Legorol | Also, remind me if slouken has already replied something to this, so I don't ask him again: |
| 00:45.30 | Legorol | would he consider doing something to allow us to load code before the FrameXML ones? |
| 00:46.13 | AnduinLothar | why.. |
| 00:47.12 | Tain | My gut feeling would the answer is going to be no, on the grounds of possible "bad things(tm)" |
| 00:47.40 | Legorol | can you think of any bad thing that could be done that can't be done by loading an AddOn after the blizz code? |
| 00:47.57 | Legorol | addon code can completely replace any blizz code |
| 00:48.03 | Legorol | even the entire interface, if neccessary |
| 00:48.33 | AnduinLothar | still can't directly replace frames actually.. |
| 00:48.41 | Legorol | the reason why i'd like to load code before the blizz code is because that's the only 100% accurate way I know of to scan which global functions belong to the internal API and which ones are defined in Blizz UI code |
| 00:49.00 | AnduinLothar | ah, right |
| 00:49.28 | Legorol | Iriel says that his parser that digest the entire Blizz UI code can make the same determination, which is true |
| 00:49.45 | Legorol | but i still prefer to have the ability to gain information about the state of the Lua namespace before any Blizz code has loaded |
| 00:51.02 | Legorol | There were some other people who had a different point: if someone writes say a quest log replacement and they don't want the blizzard one to load at all, it might be nice to have a way to achieve that |
| 00:51.20 | Legorol | with 1.10, the blizz UI code will load unavoidably... loading all textures and whatnots |
| 00:51.58 | Legorol | even if you replace an element of hte UI completely afterwards frin an addon, there will be leftover things that use memory |
| 00:52.05 | Legorol | *frin = from |
| 00:53.02 | Legorol | btw, what does everyone think, what's the real reason for Blizz locking down FrameXML? |
| 00:53.29 | Iriel | Legorol : Impossible, right |
| 00:53.36 | Legorol | my guess is that it's not because of people forgetting to remove old files from FrameXML and causing havoc, they are not too bothered by that, i don't think |
| 00:53.52 | Legorol | i'd guess it has to do with more stringent control of addons/ui code/signing or whatnot |
| 00:53.53 | Iriel | I concur, that and probably preparation for a larger addon management scheme |
| 00:54.13 | Iriel | but the havoc and support calls probably add to the urgency |
| 00:54.17 | Legorol | you think so? |
| 00:54.24 | Iriel | we've been asking for it for a while |
| 00:54.27 | Iriel | (the community0 |
| 00:54.30 | Legorol | my thought was that there are hardly anyone left that have files in framexml |
| 00:54.47 | Iriel | People keep doing font changes |
| 00:54.58 | Legorol | right, didn't realise |
| 00:55.25 | Iriel | I suspect it also helps the net cafe clause |
| 00:55.36 | Legorol | i guess the lockdown is unavoidable, question is, what am i going to do about it.. |
| 00:55.37 | Iriel | Now the addon menu will be an accurate reflection of deviation-from-base |
| 00:55.43 | Iriel | Learn to live with it |
| 00:55.45 | Legorol | true, and i am all for that |
| 00:55.54 | Legorol | i just wish i could load an addon before the blizz code |
| 00:55.59 | Legorol | do you think that's something slouken might consider? |
| 00:56.00 | Iriel | It doesn't matter if there are API functions that are mutated by the FrameXML, because we'll never get to them |
| 00:56.04 | Iriel | No |
| 00:56.08 | Legorol | :( |
| 00:56.12 | Iriel | At best we'd get "load first" |
| 00:56.19 | Iriel | but even that we've failed on thusfar |
| 00:56.28 | Legorol | did he flat out say "not going to happen?" |
| 00:56.33 | Legorol | or jsut didn't comment yet |
| 00:56.34 | Iriel | And to be honest, it's hard to justify outside of developer-controlled-environments |
| 00:56.40 | Iriel | on which? Load first? or load before? |
| 00:56.46 | Legorol | load before |
| 00:57.13 | Iriel | I dont think he's given an outright determination, but I can't think of a single compelling argument FOR it |
| 00:57.25 | Legorol | :( |
| 00:57.30 | Iriel | And the whole point of locking it down is to prevent it from being changed |
| 00:57.32 | Legorol | what am i going to do with my api scan.. |
| 00:57.35 | Iriel | If we can load before it, we can change it |
| 00:57.38 | Iriel | You just do it later |
| 00:57.38 | Legorol | parsing the blizz ui code is an overkill :( |
| 00:57.43 | Iriel | And live with the result. |
| 00:57.59 | Iriel | Your function-pointer method worked okay for filtering |
| 00:58.09 | Iriel | I even added it to my data for future use 8-) |
| 00:58.11 | Legorol | hm, not sure how reliable it is though |
| 00:58.15 | Legorol | oh? goodie |
| 00:58.31 | Legorol | at least i have that toy left :-) |
| 00:58.49 | Legorol | i guess that will have to do |
| 00:59.26 | Legorol | or i will have to dig-out my old buggy scripts that did the determination from parsing blizz ui code (which made some mistakes) |
| 00:59.43 | Legorol | or just give up completely and leave it to you :-) |
| 00:59.58 | Iriel | Well, I'd hope someone else is checking my work 8-) |
| 01:00.02 | Legorol | but competition .. *cough*.. i mean redundancy doesn't work |
| 01:00.09 | Legorol | i mean |
| 01:00.13 | Legorol | doesn't hurt |
| 01:00.15 | Legorol | work => hurt |
| 01:03.44 | Legorol | Iriel, are there any instances in the Blizz UI code where a global function gets defined which a pattern of the form "function ....(..)" wouldn't pick up? |
| 01:03.56 | Iriel | Legorol : I dont know offhand. |
| 01:04.10 | Legorol | would your scripts be able to tell you though if that is the case? |
| 01:04.50 | Legorol | well i guess since setglobal doesn't occur anywhere, the only other possibility is of the form "name = function (..)" |
| 01:05.36 | Iriel | Well, setglobal DOES occur, but not in any dangerous way |
| 01:05.53 | Legorol | I'm trying to think if i could make a simple grep somehow that picks up the latter types, without having to make a Lua syntax parser |
| 01:05.53 | Iriel | so yes, i'd imagine you could ifnd them all |
| 01:06.02 | Iriel | the challenge is working out if the name is in global scope or not |
| 01:06.05 | Legorol | yah :( |
| 01:06.10 | Iriel | Well, you could always run all the code through luac |
| 01:06.11 | Legorol | that's what i was pondering |
| 01:06.17 | Iriel | and then pick through the bytecode |
| 01:06.21 | Legorol | eeek |
| 01:06.25 | Legorol | but that does give me an idea |
| 01:06.35 | Legorol | run Blizz UI through lua, and then do a getfenv(0) |
| 01:06.46 | Legorol | oh hm that doesn't work, i would need to simulate OnLoads |
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| 01:09.15 | Iriel | Hm, can you do anything with string.dump? |
| 01:09.21 | Iriel | My experiments were inconclusive |
| 01:09.27 | Iriel | but I didn't try real hard |
| 01:18.27 | Legorol | ok at least in the current interface code, all function assignments of the form name = function(..) are of local scope |
| 01:19.01 | Legorol | so i should be fairly safe just by doing a getfenv(0) in-game, and comparing it against a grep done with "function [^(]*(" |
| 01:19.52 | Iriel | add in a compare against the text strings in the binary too |
| 01:19.58 | Iriel | Hm, 21/24 on that wow quiz thin |
| 01:20.00 | Iriel | +g |
| 01:21.49 | Legorol | apart from redundancy, why do i need the text strings form the binary? |
| 01:22.03 | Iriel | well, it's the opposite approach to functions from the lua |
| 01:22.22 | Legorol | ok i am proposing to let the blizz ui code load, then do a getfenv(0) |
| 01:22.27 | Legorol | this gives me a set of functions |
| 01:22.30 | Iriel | If you get a symbol that didn't come from the lua or the binary (by your estimation), it's a sign of something to hunt down |
| 01:22.41 | Legorol | a subset of this is internal, and the other (disjoint) subset is blizz Lua defined |
| 01:22.53 | Legorol | ok i see |
| 01:22.57 | Legorol | so it's for a warning |
| 01:23.07 | Iriel | You've pretty much ended up with what I do there |
| 01:23.20 | Legorol | yah but you actually parse the Lua syntax, don't you? |
| 01:23.22 | Iriel | I have an addon called SymbolTester which does the in-game scan |
| 01:23.32 | Iriel | I do use a more robust lua scan for the lua list, but it's the same idea |
| 01:23.42 | Legorol | the only scripts i have do getfenv(0) and dump it, and do a simple grep on the blizz ui code |
| 01:23.48 | Iriel | and I use the symbols from the binary for another check. |
| 01:24.01 | Legorol | ok, do you mind elaborating on how you get symbols from the binary? |
| 01:24.05 | Legorol | there are too many text strings in there |
| 01:24.12 | Iriel | I obtain all of the frame methods (for the widget API) and handlers too |
| 01:24.17 | Iriel | strings - WoW.exe |
| 01:24.31 | Legorol | yes i do do that for potential method names to verify |
| 01:24.34 | Iriel | followed by a perl script with a regexp that only keeps 'sane' names |
| 01:24.41 | Legorol | yah |
| 01:24.50 | Legorol | so far i do the same, but i only use that for method scan |
| 01:25.19 | Iriel | I end up with about 5200 names |
| 01:25.23 | Legorol | ditto |
| 01:25.24 | Iriel | I htink |
| 01:25.26 | Iriel | think, even |
| 01:25.34 | Iriel | Slightly less of whihc I use for method scans |
| 01:25.46 | Legorol | 5900 for me |
| 01:26.00 | Iriel | I dont have a 1.9.4 one handy |
| 01:26.09 | Legorol | hm, haven't done that yet |
| 01:26.12 | Legorol | thanks for reminidng me :D |
| 01:26.28 | Legorol | i guess you are right, i can use that list like this: |
| 01:26.56 | Legorol | i do getfenv(0), from that set subtract names that are found in Lua, and then see if any of the resulting set *isn't* in the list of 5900 strings |
| 01:27.00 | Legorol | if that is the case, something is wrong |
| 01:27.05 | Legorol | is that what you were thinking of? |
| 01:27.10 | Iriel | yup |
| 01:27.13 | Legorol | oki |
| 01:27.19 | Iriel | though 'wrong' may be too strong a word |
| 01:27.28 | Iriel | something should be looked into, tho, if that happens |
| 01:27.30 | Legorol | well, warning that i should look at it manually |
| 01:27.56 | Legorol | right, that should work for me |
| 01:28.08 | Legorol | as long as blizz doesn't start introducing name = function() type globals :D |
| 01:40.43 | Legorol | Iriel, it almost worked, hehe |
| 01:40.57 | Legorol | check against the strings from the binary flagged __pow as suspect though :-) |
| 01:41.16 | Legorol | my grep expression didn't consider that as a valid potential string |
| 01:41.56 | Iriel | Well, I'd say "it worked" then, without the almost 8-) |
| 01:42.19 | Legorol | only problem is i had to widen the acceptable strings from the binary, and am up to about 15k strings now |
| 01:42.37 | Legorol | i will have to think more about how to filter that without discarding anything valid |
| 01:42.59 | Legorol | thanks for the tips and the brainstorm |
| 01:43.06 | Legorol | looks like this should work in 1.10 |
| 01:43.40 | Legorol | i can always check against the list based on the function addresses too for added security |
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| 02:02.09 | Iriel | What's wrong with 15k symbols anyway? |
| 02:11.20 | Iriel | Off home! |
| 02:11.26 | Cairenn | later Iriel :) |
| 02:11.53 | AnduinLothar | meh food coma |
| 02:12.10 | Cairenn | lol AnduinLothar |
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| 02:41.31 | Cairenn | thanks Wobin_ |
| 02:42.58 | Cairenn | *sobs* |
| 02:43.18 | Wobin_ | What's up Cair? |
| 02:43.24 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=320717&s=new&tmp=1#new |
| 02:51.22 | Depherios | ouch |
| 02:51.47 | Cairenn | honestly, some days, I question my sanity for trying to assist |
| 02:53.39 | Depherios | Cair, I don't know how you do it, every time you link me to one of those, it's even worst than the last D: |
| 03:00.04 | ScytheBlade1 | "Give.me.the.information.I.asked.for." |
| 03:00.29 | Cairenn | can YOU say "frustration"? |
| 03:01.13 | Cairenn | honestly ... I weep, I truly weep |
| 03:01.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure I can |
| 03:01.22 | ScytheBlade1 | But I can't really relate like that :) |
| 03:01.52 | Cairenn | I *try* to be patient. I *try* to be understanding. But some days ... *sob* |
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| 03:20.35 | wereHamster | I'll be away the next week.. ski holidays.. have a nice time :) |
| 03:20.40 | Cairenn | well, we finally got through to him, hallelujah |
| 03:20.45 | Depherios | yay! |
| 03:20.47 | Depherios | I just saw |
| 03:20.50 | Cairenn | have a great time wereHamster!! :) |
| 03:21.10 | Cairenn | I'd say "break a leg", but you might not appreciate the sentiment ;) |
| 03:21.13 | Depherios | I don't know how you do it Cair XD --I don't care how frustrated you get, just TRYING means you have far more patience and understanding than I do |
| 03:21.49 | wereHamster | Cairenn, don't say that, something like that happened two years ago :-/ |
| 03:21.57 | Wobin_ | feh =( I wanna go ski =) |
| 03:22.02 | Cairenn | wereHamster: :( |
| 03:22.37 | Depherios | Why does everybody like skiing so much? XD -- just because they don't get to? -- or am I just crazy for not liking it? XD |
| 03:22.50 | Cairenn | well, really, don't break a leg, but do have a great time :) |
| 03:23.01 | Wobin_ | Mostly cause I normally live in a place which gets no snow |
| 03:23.18 | Wobin_ | So there's that whole "I don't normally see snow, so when I do it's cool" sentiment |
| 03:23.43 | Cairenn | Depherios: got me ... since when most people talk about skiing, they are referring to downhill, which I don't enjoy at all ... cross country skiing I've enjoyed before, but it's been a very long time since I've done any |
| 03:23.50 | Depherios | yeah, here I live by Mt Hood *points over shoulder* and can ski almost all year... don't really enjoy it... |
| 03:24.19 | Depherios | hiking and cross country skiing are fun -- I was a hiker and mountain biker for years |
| 03:24.51 | Depherios | nothing but downhill around here though, which is... eh... |
| 03:25.01 | Cairenn | it's funny, I'm *such* an adrenaline junkie, you'd think I'd love downhill skiing, but meh |
| 03:25.09 | Wobin_ | I can understand how you'd get jaded =) |
| 03:25.18 | Depherios | Wobin, I've gone skiing twice XD |
| 03:25.30 | Wobin_ | Much like going to the beach in Oz =P |
| 03:25.34 | Depherios | ugh |
| 03:25.35 | Depherios | hate |
| 03:25.36 | Depherios | beach |
| 03:25.52 | Depherios | ... yeah, get tired of beaches fast XD |
| 03:25.59 | Cairenn | ah, now a beach ... mmmmmmmmm |
| 03:26.00 | Cide | does anyone know: is arg1 for a CHAT_MSG_MONSTER_YELL == "MobName yells: Ah!" or is it "Ah!"? |
| 03:26.34 | Depherios | stupid sand... sand gets in everything D: |
| 03:27.03 | Wobin_ | roflrofl |
| 03:27.05 | Wobin_ | Revenge, eh? So, mister Ellis — (swishes brandy in large glass) — let the games begin, unless they are games of skill, or physical exertion of any kind, or with math. I know the bitter bitter truth, why you are so threatened by my genius, my, class, my big glass of brandy. It’s because you’re so OLD, so terribly terribly OLD, isn’t it! Mountains were hills when you were middle-aged. I hear you left your wife for a younger, trophy Cromagnon. And that you’r |
| 03:27.17 | Wobin_ | Joss Whedon Vs Warren Ellis =)http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=1848 |
| 03:27.54 | Cairenn | Depherios: where? (sorry, "Ocean Park" means nothing to me) |
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| 03:29.34 | Legorol | Cairenn, i'd like to make a small comment on that really annoying forum post you linked (where the guy is clueless about folders) |
| 03:29.43 | Cairenn | go for it |
| 03:29.50 | Legorol | with people like that, i found it's best to stop asking for info, and instead start telling them what to do |
| 03:30.08 | Legorol | i would've probably checked the bibmod/discord downloads for the folder structure |
| 03:30.24 | Legorol | and if i found it includes interface/addons, i'd have told the guy to extract the zip into his main wow folder instead |
| 03:30.36 | Legorol | don't try to educate him, he won't understand, he has shown such little intelligence |
| 03:30.53 | Wobin_ | There is a certain lack of basic winzip understanding there =) |
| 03:30.53 | Cairenn | difference in outlook |
| 03:30.56 | Legorol | normally, i'd take the same route as you and educate the user instead of telling him steps, so in the future they can troubleshoot for themselves |
| 03:31.15 | Cairenn | precisely Legorol, that's why I try to walk them through it |
| 03:31.17 | Legorol | on this occasion, he has fairly clearly described he is extracting into his addons folder |
| 03:31.34 | Legorol | after asking for info 3 times, i'd give up and just give him eht steps.. |
| 03:31.39 | Legorol | but you have far more patience |
| 03:31.45 | Legorol | supernatural quantities in fact ;-) |
| 03:32.07 | Cairenn | okay, well, my patience is at an end ... go check his last post |
| 03:32.10 | Legorol | anyways, that's just my opinion |
| 03:32.10 | Cairenn | I'm done |
| 03:32.12 | Cairenn | no more |
| 03:32.17 | Cairenn | someone else can take over |
| 03:34.28 | Legorol | frankly, if he can't tell in which folder he is extracting stuff, he will not be able to use/configure discord |
| 03:34.57 | Cairenn | hell, he isn't gonna be able to figure out Bib :p |
| 03:35.20 | Legorol | is it just me or the new official BWL trailer is .... disappointing |
| 03:35.30 | Legorol | nowhere near as magnificient as past gameplay trailers |
| 03:35.47 | Legorol | and it even has a blooper in it, in one scene some random cloth wearer can be seen jumping around in the background |
| 03:39.43 | Cairenn | haven't seen it, to comment |
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| 04:00.54 | Guillotine_ | well, not really, but it seems to happen anyway |
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| 04:01.38 | Cairenn | hey Kaelten :) |
| 04:02.06 | Kaelten | hey cair! |
| 04:02.08 | Kaelten | hello everyone |
| 04:02.17 | Cairenn | dun forget to /ident |
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| 04:02.31 | Kaelten | there ya go |
| 04:02.32 | Cairenn | good boy ;) |
| 04:02.54 | Cairenn | well, if you don't, I can't send you PMs, so how am I supposed to flirt with you? |
| 04:03.23 | Kaelten | in public like you do half the time anyway ;) |
| 04:03.30 | Cairenn | *smooch* |
| 04:06.23 | Kaelten | brb |
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| 04:52.48 | tyndral | hey kids |
| 04:52.53 | Cairenn | hey! |
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| 04:54.11 | Cairenn | deleted the thread, since it isn't really "appropriate" |
| 04:54.24 | Cairenn | and yeah, I can understand busy with work |
| 04:54.50 | tyndral | yeah - havenb't been reading forums as much either. work is stupid right now. |
| 04:54.57 | tyndral | nor have I been coding much. |
| 04:54.59 | Cairenn | =/ |
| 04:55.13 | Cairenn | don't you just hate it when "real life" interfers? |
| 04:55.58 | tyndral | yes indeed. i'm still on the quest for a well-paid career in "Playing WOW, writing mods, and chatting on IRC" but it's proving more elusive than I expected. |
| 04:55.58 | Legorol | yah my real life keeps interfering with my real life |
| 04:56.10 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 04:56.28 | Cairenn | aren't we all? |
| 04:56.37 | Legorol | i am sooooo unhappy, i missed out ont he lunar festival quests and fun, and now looks like valentine is over too |
| 04:56.44 | Legorol | i hardly got to complete the contents in either of them :( |
| 04:56.46 | Cairenn | although I think AnduinLothar is darn close to having it ... |
| 04:56.54 | Legorol | now i have to wait a year for the engineering schematics from the lunar festival.. |
| 04:57.03 | Cairenn | Legorol: :( |
| 04:57.18 | tyndral | add to that a recently acquired interest in 3d modelling and rendering, and a rekindled wow addictin via an Undead Rogue on a pvp server that is set to my timezone, and time runs low.. :) |
| 04:57.25 | Legorol | i just had time to turn in 5 love tokens or so the other day, then i didn't get around to playing until today |
| 04:57.58 | Cairenn | Legorol: so *that's* where you went! |
| 04:58.05 | Legorol | yah |
| 04:58.14 | Cairenn | tyndral: well, good on the enjoyment of the game again |
| 04:58.23 | Legorol | computer wouldn't boot, and kept getting an error messaging saying "system failed CPU test" |
| 04:58.24 | Cairenn | tyndral: what prog you using for the 3d stuff? |
| 04:58.27 | tyndral | my [female] rogue got a nice party dress out of the Lunar event, but that was it. haven't done anything at all with the StV's event. |
| 04:58.40 | Legorol | turned out the mother board was lying, nothing wrong with cpu, and it was the mobo that need replacing |
| 04:58.50 | tyndral | Cairenn: Carrara. What used to be called Raydream Studio. |
| 04:59.12 | Cairenn | neat |
| 04:59.27 | tyndral | it's a lot more intuitive to use than Lightwave, and pretty close to being as powerful. I actually find the modeller more powerful than Lightwave's. |
| 04:59.50 | Cairenn | just wondered ... if you are looking for some links / info on 3d stuff, T.King has some on his site (in the forums) |
| 04:59.56 | Legorol | add to that that i just found out that in 1.9 they buffed Seal of Wrynn.. |
| 05:00.12 | Legorol | it's really annoying when they buff a quest reward that i could be using even now, but of course i can't go back now and redo the quest |
| 05:00.21 | Legorol | all disappointments this week :( |
| 05:00.22 | tyndral | alright, Cair, I'll check it out. |
| 05:00.55 | Legorol | on a different note: can someone explain to me how the timing of the AQ gate opening works? |
| 05:01.04 | Legorol | my server just completed gathering all mats, so what happens next? |
| 05:01.10 | Legorol | is there an event at a specific time? |
| 05:01.17 | Legorol | will i have to be there at that precise time or will i miss it? |
| 05:01.28 | Legorol | how does the scepter and gong fit into it all? |
| 05:01.39 | Cairenn | tyndral: specifically this thread http://tkingart.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9 and and then this forum http://tkingart.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=2&sid=c4ac738cacdb416690a5f3875af912c0 |
| 05:02.19 | Cairenn | - one 'and' in that |
| 05:02.56 | tyndral | my main these days [Tyndral is all but collecting dust] is on a fairly new server, so we're about 120 in the AQ war effort rankings, so.. no idea :) |
| 05:03.09 | tyndral | thanks, Cair - looking now. |
| 05:06.03 | *** join/#wowi-lounge futrtrubl (n=not@port0188-adw-adsl.cwjamaica.com) |
| 05:06.36 | Cairenn | wb futrtrubl |
| 05:06.50 | tyndral | Cairenn - first link has some interesting stuff, but i think the second link is broken? I get a forum header, but no content? |
| 05:07.44 | Cairenn | hrm, looking in it, it isn't what I thought anyway, so don't sweat it |
| 05:08.16 | Cairenn | (although I'm able to access the forum and see at least one thread in it) |
| 05:08.35 | tyndral | weird. |
| 05:08.59 | tyndral | no, not weird. i am just a smacktard. |
| 05:09.08 | tyndral | i can see it now. |
| 05:09.14 | Cairenn | try just accessing the forum directly, instead of via my ... okay, nm |
| 05:09.31 | tyndral | Tom does some really nice 3d stuff. |
| 05:09.38 | Cairenn | yeah, he does |
| 05:09.54 | tyndral | [though, just quietly, i'm not a big fan of his wow interface art.. it doesn't grab me..] |
| 05:10.32 | Cairenn | Tom does some really nice everything art ... [though between you me and the fence post I've been kinda disappointed with his stuff for wow] |
| 05:10.41 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 05:10.44 | tyndral | snap! |
| 05:10.45 | tyndral | :) |
| 05:10.57 | futrtrubl | thanks Cairenn |
| 05:11.48 | MentalPower | Legorol: Assuming that a guild has completed the questline to make the [Scepter of the Shifting Sands] you have to wait 5days for the "armies" to get to silithus |
| 05:12.00 | MentalPower | and then the person with the scepter can ring the gong |
| 05:12.14 | Cairenn | anyway tyndral, I wasn't trying to make you feel obligated to log into channel or anything, just was wondering where you've been of late |
| 05:12.26 | MentalPower | after that, there will be a serverwide event that lasts 10hours |
| 05:12.38 | Cairenn | (which you've subsequently explained) |
| 05:12.39 | MentalPower | culminating in a massive battle just outside the scarab wall |
| 05:13.14 | tyndral | i know, Cair - no bother. I'd not have popped in immediately for a chat if I hadn't had the time to spare. |
| 05:14.47 | Legorol | MentalPower, do you mind answering a few more questions about this? |
| 05:14.52 | MentalPower | sure |
| 05:15.01 | Legorol | does the event start when the person rings the gong, or after the 5 days period? |
| 05:15.11 | MentalPower | when the person rings the gong |
| 05:15.16 | Legorol | so what's the 5 days for? |
| 05:15.39 | MentalPower | which is usually pretty darn close to exactly 5days after the resources have been piled-up |
| 05:16.13 | Legorol | what's this 5 days then? what is it's significance? |
| 05:16.45 | futrtrubl | delay |
| 05:16.50 | MentalPower | Its basically a "hyping" mechanism |
| 05:16.59 | Legorol | oh you mean you can't ring the gong before the 5 days past? |
| 05:17.03 | Legorol | ok i think i get you |
| 05:17.12 | Legorol | ok, next question: how will i know when the person is going to ring the gong? |
| 05:17.24 | MentalPower | you wait 5days and during that time you get to see more and more NPC's going to Silithus and patroling the area |
| 05:17.29 | MentalPower | you don't |
| 05:17.29 | Legorol | say the person decides to do it at 4am in the night, does it mean most of the server will miss it? |
| 05:17.40 | MentalPower | yup |
| 05:17.51 | Legorol | is it true that only one person can complete the scepter quest? |
| 05:17.58 | Legorol | can multiple people assmeble the scepter though? |
| 05:18.00 | MentalPower | that's what happenned on most of the servers after Medivh |
| 05:18.23 | MentalPower | the quest can be completed multiple times, even after the gates are open |
| 05:18.29 | Legorol | this event that is 10 hours long, is it the same thing repeating all over, or is it a story developing over 10 hours? |
| 05:18.34 | MentalPower | but only one person can ring the gong and get the reward for it |
| 05:18.41 | Legorol | i.e. what do i miss if i'm not there at the start, and what do i miss if i am not there at the end of the 10 hour period |
| 05:20.00 | MentalPower | well considering that I missed most of the event on my server |
| 05:20.09 | MentalPower | I was only there for the end |
| 05:20.20 | MentalPower | however what I can tell you is this |
| 05:20.38 | Cairenn | OMG, spoilers! |
| 05:20.40 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 05:20.41 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Eraphine|Lab (n=Eraphine@brenna.human.cornell.edu) |
| 05:20.41 | Legorol | wait wait |
| 05:20.46 | MentalPower | ok |
| 05:20.55 | Legorol | can you just tell me what do i need to do to not miss content, without actually spoiling what the content is? |
| 05:21.03 | MentalPower | erm... |
| 05:21.09 | MentalPower | camp silithus day and night |
| 05:21.10 | Legorol | do i need to be there at the start of the 10 hours? |
| 05:21.16 | Legorol | do i need to be there at the end? |
| 05:21.17 | Legorol | during? |
| 05:21.32 | MentalPower | well the main focal points are the beginning and the end |
| 05:21.50 | Legorol | bah, why doesn't blizz give more info about something like this that's only going to happen once ever.. |
| 05:21.53 | MentalPower | there is some stuff during, which is quite cool |
| 05:22.02 | Legorol | i wanna plan my schedule so i can be there, but i need to know when i need to be there |
| 05:22.14 | MentalPower | but the focal points are the ringing and the end of the 10hours |
| 05:22.31 | Legorol | ok |
| 05:22.57 | Legorol | it's kinda silly that there is some content where "you will see it for yourself" but if you happen to miss it because you are not clued up, then "tough luck, it's all gone now forever" |
| 05:23.26 | MentalPower | BTW if your computer can't handle 700+ people on the screen at the same time I suggest you stay away from silithus and enjoy the content elswhere |
| 05:23.30 | Legorol | it's one thing that only 1 person ever can complete the gong quest.. |
| 05:23.51 | Legorol | what irritates me even more is that i am reliant on some random person's decision about how i need to plan my schedule |
| 05:24.03 | Legorol | and more to the point: how on earth will i find out when joe bob is intending to ring the gong? |
| 05:24.22 | MentalPower | two options |
| 05:24.40 | MentalPower | A) You're in one of the über guilds of your server and you will find out that way |
| 05:24.59 | MentalPower | B) Someone will post on your realm's forums the time |
| 05:25.42 | Legorol | ah, realm forums, good point |
| 05:25.48 | Legorol | never visited them in my life, i will look there |
| 05:25.49 | tyndral | while I understand where you're coming from, Legorol, I do like the one-time-only, no-control, non-repeatable aspects of this that make it feel more real. |
| 05:25.50 | Legorol | thanks for the tip |
| 05:26.04 | Legorol | tyndral, i do agree that it's cool |
| 05:26.09 | Legorol | and in principle, i like content like this |
| 05:26.19 | Legorol | i don't have a problem with the non-repeatability |
| 05:26.33 | Legorol | what i have a problem with is the unreliability, that i am dependent on some other person's schedule |
| 05:27.11 | tyndral | i always feel a little like the illusion is being broken when I go to hand in a unique-SOUNDING quest, with a scripted segement of NPC acting, and watching someone else hand it in before me.. it loses the shine a little for me. |
| 05:27.15 | MentalPower | most realms are choosing a time between 3am - 5am to ring the gong |
| 05:27.30 | tyndral | yup, i do understand your complaint - but that's what reality is like. |
| 05:27.56 | MentalPower | which means that the working class, casual player will be sleeping for the ringing, working for the event, and barely getting of work for the end |
| 05:28.43 | tyndral | unless, like me, you live in GMT+10 :p |
| 05:28.55 | MentalPower | lol |
| 05:29.16 | futrtrubl | I'm just glad this isn't SWG which shut the servers off every day for maint |
| 05:29.25 | MentalPower | I agree |
| 05:29.50 | MentalPower | BTW, servers are choosing these schedules because this way the server will not crash during the event |
| 05:30.06 | futrtrubl | though many times it was only the server shut down that forced me to realise it was morning and I needed to go to class ;'] |
| 05:30.15 | MentalPower | you will still have 90second log healing casts but the server will move on |
| 05:43.32 | futrtrubl | anyone see the olimpic womens' snowboard cross final? |
| 05:47.01 | Cairenn | not I, futrtrubl, sorry |
| 05:47.35 | futrtrubl | you'll hear about it soon no doubt, was... eventfull |
| 05:47.46 | Cairenn | yeah? |
| 05:47.54 | Cairenn | what happened? |
| 05:49.06 | futrtrubl | 2 wmoen crashed into a far 3rd/4th. American took a HUGE 1st place lead, came up to the second to last jump, tried to show off, crashed and the 2nd place person overtook her and won. |
| 05:49.33 | Cairenn | oh |
| 05:49.41 | Cairenn | yeah, that'll probably be talked about a bit |
| 05:50.16 | futrtrubl | I almost feel sorry for the girl. but it was her own fault for pulling a stunt in a final |
| 05:51.13 | futrtrubl | if the other 2 hadn't crashed so far back she would have ended up with no medal from first |
| 05:51.43 | Cairenn | so what country was the one that ultimately won? |
| 05:52.10 | futrtrubl | Sweden, the girlfriend of the American men's champion ;'] |
| 05:53.37 | Cairenn | well, congrats to her :) |
| 05:54.38 | futrtrubl | definately, she kept on pushing even though it looked like there was no chance to take gold and no threat from behind |
| 05:57.18 | Cairenn | well, one thing you have to say about (most?) Olympic athletes ... they aren't quitters |
| 05:57.51 | Cairenn | they don't just roll over and give up ... if they did, they wouldn't be there to begin with |
| 06:00.41 | futrtrubl | very true |
| 06:02.09 | Cairenn | although I still have very strong objections to one decision the Olympic Committee made and really wish they'd reverse it |
| 06:02.20 | futrtrubl | which was that? |
| 06:02.33 | Cairenn | I *so* do not agree with the fact that they allow professional hockey players to compete |
| 06:02.59 | futrtrubl | oh, the pair skating injury? ....why? |
| 06:03.08 | Cairenn | ? |
| 06:03.19 | futrtrubl | why? to the hokey |
| 06:03.27 | futrtrubl | hockey* |
| 06:04.12 | Cairenn | because they are professionals ... if you are a professional, you shouldn't be competing in the Olympics ... that's neither fair nor right, *in my opinion* |
| 06:05.29 | futrtrubl | aren't the other athletes professionals in their sports? |
| 06:05.36 | Cairenn | no |
| 06:05.55 | Cairenn | all amateur |
| 06:06.07 | futrtrubl | wow, didn't know that |
| 06:06.41 | Cairenn | it was only a few years ago that they made the exception, and please note it is an exception |
| 06:07.08 | futrtrubl | ok |
| 06:07.08 | Cairenn | the rules say that if you are a professional (whatever), you no longer participate in the olympics |
| 06:07.31 | futrtrubl | I like that (not the exception) |
| 06:07.32 | MentalPower | well the exception has more or less been converted to status quo |
| 06:08.01 | Cairenn | MentalPower: you mean they are now allowing it for more than just the hockey teams? |
| 06:08.03 | MentalPower | basketball, tennis, hockey, baseball, they all use professional players |
| 06:08.04 | Cairenn | that's just sad |
| 06:08.14 | MentalPower | tennis was the furst |
| 06:08.24 | MentalPower | s/furst/first |
| 06:08.33 | MentalPower | bah, forgot the closing / |
| 06:08.59 | Cairenn | bleh |
| 06:09.10 | MentalPower | well, they ARE the best in their sport, why not let them compete in the prime arena |
| 06:09.16 | Cairenn | takes away from a lot of what the Olympics stand for, again imo |
| 06:09.20 | Cairenn | no they aren't :p |
| 06:10.56 | Cairenn | there are many many Olympians that are by far and away much better than some of the professionals |
| 06:11.12 | MentalPower | but the norm is that the professional players are much better |
| 06:11.59 | MentalPower | take tennis for example |
| 06:12.28 | MentalPower | none of the amateurs are even close to the quality of the professional players |
| 06:18.11 | Cairenn | you aren't |
| 06:18.18 | Cairenn | :) |
| 06:19.27 | MentalPower | yay! |
| 06:20.06 | Cairenn | I'm just playing at the same time as I'm yapping, and didn't have anything to contribute to the conversation just then, so hushed up and listened |
| 06:20.41 | MentalPower | yeah, I'm supposed to be healing in MC right now |
| 06:20.55 | Cairenn | heh |
| 06:22.08 | futrtrubl | hey Cairenn, about to test your portal system... there are facilities for beta releases right? |
| 06:22.35 | Cairenn | nope, sorry, portals won't work for you |
| 06:23.19 | futrtrubl | ahhh |
| 06:23.33 | Cairenn | everyone else can have one, but not you |
| 06:23.38 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 06:23.43 | Cairenn | *grin* |
| 06:23.58 | futrtrubl | well... I don't need one, I have my own site. So nyah!! |
| 06:24.22 | Cairenn | all mods you have in our DB show up on your portal, just the same as they do if you click the link beside your name |
| 06:24.36 | Cairenn | told you not to waste the money :p |
| 06:24.46 | Cairenn | that we were gonna take care of you |
| 06:25.04 | futrtrubl | needed a personal site anyway, and would never use the bandwidth with just it anyway ;'] |
| 06:25.52 | Cairenn | I know, just picking on you ... I figured I'd better explain though, since my picking on someone is so very unusual |
| 06:26.24 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 06:26.27 | futrtrubl | unusual? |
| 06:26.42 | MentalPower | right |
| 06:26.46 | Cairenn | okay, completely unheard of? |
| 06:26.50 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ScytheBlade1 (n=Death@about/pxe/ScytheBlade1) |
| 06:26.58 | futrtrubl | try the other direction |
| 06:27.07 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 06:27.12 | Cairenn | yeah, okay ... |
| 06:27.16 | MentalPower | left? |
| 06:27.45 | futrtrubl | yes MentalPower, left. |
| 06:27.51 | MentalPower | :) |
| 06:28.01 | MentalPower | I'm being stupid, I know |
| 06:28.11 | Cairenn | right |
| 06:28.17 | MentalPower | I just wanna kill Garr and my raid is taking forever |
| 06:28.24 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 06:29.13 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:29.26 | MentalPower | thanks Cair :) |
| 06:29.37 | futrtrubl | can I not refer people to my addons forum on my own site? I see the no referal rule |
| 06:29.49 | Cairenn | huh? |
| 06:30.32 | futrtrubl | "referral links", would that refer to links that refer to my site? |
| 06:30.38 | MentalPower | I think he meant links to his personal site from WoWI |
| 06:30.50 | futrtrubl | exactly |
| 06:31.25 | Cairenn | oh, yeah, definitely ... we *never* allow things like that! /roll eyes ... http://kaelten.wowinterface.com/portal.php?id=2 |
| 06:32.01 | futrtrubl | I'm glad Cairenn is never sarcastic, I'd get confused |
| 06:32.25 | MentalPower | right |
| 06:32.27 | Cairenn | no, the "huh" was me wondering what "no referal" rule you were talking about? |
| 06:32.31 | Kaelten | I know her straight face is a inspiration to us all |
| 06:33.16 | futrtrubl | "Portals are Now Life!" ;'] |
| 06:33.19 | Cairenn | Kaelten, darling, sweetheart, love of my life ... |
| 06:33.20 | MentalPower | lol |
| 06:33.26 | Cairenn | bite me :p |
| 06:33.37 | Kaelten | you'd enjoy it way too much cair |
| 06:33.43 | Kaelten | ;) |
| 06:34.17 | futrtrubl | "No" says the sadist. |
| 06:34.49 | Cairenn | so, ummm, *what* "no referal" rule? copy paste, pretty please? |
| 06:35.26 | futrtrubl | "- spam, advertising, solicitation and referral links (whether commercial or not)" the last bit is what I referred to |
| 06:36.37 | Cairenn | cya |
| 06:36.47 | futrtrubl | you gone? |
| 06:36.48 | Cairenn | c.y.a., that is |
| 06:36.57 | Legorol | Iriel, is there a version of Bookworm with the scrollbar graphical bug fixed? |
| 06:36.59 | futrtrubl | c.y.a? |
| 06:37.06 | Cairenn | "cover your ass" |
| 06:37.16 | futrtrubl | ahhh |
| 06:37.39 | Kaelten | basically we can tear down your refereal links to your porn site |
| 06:37.48 | futrtrubl | awwww |
| 06:38.07 | Cairenn | if you give "referals" to unacceptable sites (power levelling services, gold sellers, pr0n, etc), yeah, we can yank the links |
| 06:38.08 | futrtrubl | but the internet is for porn |
| 06:38.33 | Cairenn | ~for porn |
| 06:38.34 | purl | http://www.infested.dk/uploads/Forporn.avi |
| 06:38.34 | futrtrubl | makes sence cair |
| 06:38.44 | Kaelten | lol |
| 06:39.02 | Kaelten | I hate I have to reload wow to add a new file to my toc files |
| 06:39.09 | futrtrubl | I never get tired of that, must have a small mind. I can live with that |
| 06:39.33 | futrtrubl | Kaelten, you don't, just click out the the account loggin page |
| 06:40.03 | Cairenn | it's the standard basic "if you are a moron, we can slap you down" type disclaimer that you have to agree to |
| 06:40.53 | futrtrubl | time for me to make a /moronslap emaote addon |
| 06:40.56 | Cairenn | which actually reminds me .... hrm, need to talk to Dolby about that |
| 06:41.17 | MentalPower | about what? |
| 06:41.51 | Kaelten | what about what? |
| 06:42.21 | MentalPower | Cairennwhich actually reminds me .... hrm, need to talk to Dolby about that |
| 06:42.57 | Cairenn | we need to add something to the portals that will allow users an easy way to report something as being unacceptable, the same way as we do for forum posts |
| 06:43.09 | Kaelten | ah |
| 06:43.18 | MentalPower | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.23 | Kaelten | do you know if dolby say my posts about the team member stuff? |
| 06:43.40 | Cairenn | Kaelten: he sees everything o.O |
| 06:44.49 | Kaelten | thats spooky |
| 06:44.52 | Cairenn | seriously though, there are some forums he checks religiously ... staff would be one of them :p |
| 06:45.28 | futrtrubl | cair, does wowi accept .png files for avatars? |
| 06:45.32 | Cairenn | he's just swamped right now, with the Olympics coverage |
| 06:46.39 | Cairenn | futrtrubl: I'm not sure, actually, I've never tried ... I always either upload as .gif or link to my personal site |
| 06:46.55 | Cairenn | since I need to have transparency |
| 06:47.13 | futrtrubl | ahh, maybe I can link to my personal sites .png |
| 06:47.32 | futrtrubl | yup, I need transparency too, which is why I love pngs |
| 06:47.43 | Cairenn | try uploading direct from your machine, if that doesn't work, try linking to it from your site |
| 06:47.56 | futrtrubl | k |
| 06:48.04 | Cairenn | if that doesn't work, go with the standard ... gif :p |
| 06:48.44 | futrtrubl | but, alpha! and full color! |
| 06:49.07 | futrtrubl | but not in IE.... yet |
| 06:49.14 | MentalPower | IE7 :) |
| 06:49.24 | futrtrubl | hence the yet ;'] |
| 06:49.29 | Cairenn | gif gives you alpha and full colour, your point? |
| 06:49.31 | MentalPower | the only thing that png needs is motion |
| 06:50.20 | futrtrubl | gif gives, on/off transparency, png gives 256 levels of transparency, gif gives 256 colors, png 16million |
| 06:50.30 | futrtrubl | agreed MentalPower |
| 06:52.23 | Cairenn | for a 110x110 image, gif is fine :p |
| 06:52.55 | Cairenn | not like you're going to be getting all the detail you'd get at larger reso |
| 06:53.12 | futrtrubl | I have issues with it at 110x110, looks a bit blurry and the borders a bit harsh |
| 06:54.07 | Cairenn | and if you care about detail at higher reso, go with tga |
| 06:54.41 | MentalPower | I hate sites with 90x90 limits |
| 06:54.59 | Cairenn | 90x90 = omg, get out the magnifying glass :p |
| 06:56.01 | futrtrubl | tga has no transparency though |
| 06:56.29 | MentalPower | and its kinda compression un-friendly |
| 06:57.08 | futrtrubl | damn, it's 19.7k and the max is 19.5k ;'] |
| 06:58.13 | MentalPower | lol |
| 06:58.32 | Kaelten | cair can we upload pics tot he portals? |
| 06:59.05 | Cairenn | what do you mean tga has no transparency? |
| 06:59.20 | MentalPower | tga has transparency |
| 06:59.23 | Cairenn | Kaelten: /shrug, dunno, haven't tried :p |
| 06:59.25 | MentalPower | its just a PITA |
| 06:59.36 | futrtrubl | oops, that's what I meant |
| 06:59.38 | Cairenn | lord no it isn't :p |
| 07:00.25 | Cairenn | but yes it is "compression un-friendly", which is why many folks use png instead, since it compresses better ... BUT, you pay for that compression in quality |
| 07:00.46 | MentalPower | true |
| 07:01.20 | MentalPower | and because some browsers don't support some of TGA's better compression schemes |
| 07:02.07 | Cairenn | which is why I say ... for small (read avatars, etc) web images, just stick with good ol gif ... if you are talking something of a reasonable size and care about quality, use tga |
| 07:02.23 | Cairenn | png is kinda 1/2 way between the two |
| 07:02.59 | MentalPower | and don't forget about gif's monopoly on motion |
| 07:03.12 | Gryphen | mng has motion |
| 07:03.20 | MentalPower | mng? |
| 07:03.37 | Cairenn | speaking of sites with ludicrously small avatar dimension restrictions ... futrtrubl, you ever up yours? |
| 07:03.57 | futrtrubl | yup, I did it as soon as you pointed it out ;'] |
| 07:04.02 | Gryphen | mng is based on png |
| 07:04.11 | Cairenn | oh that's right, I remember you saying you were going to |
| 07:04.18 | Cairenn | what did you finally set it at? |
| 07:04.27 | futrtrubl | did you update your avatar there? |
| 07:04.41 | Cairenn | nope, still have my teeeeeeeeny tiny one |
| 07:05.02 | futrtrubl | 120 |
| 07:05.17 | Cairenn | hrm, so I could actually even use my NE one then |
| 07:05.25 | futrtrubl | "The uploaded file is not a valid GIF, JPG, or PNG file. Please ensure that it is and try again.".... but, it is. |
| 07:06.15 | futrtrubl | indeed you could |
| 07:07.15 | Cairenn | not that I'm at your site enough for it to really matter one way or another ... between all the *Interface.com sites, my various guild forums, the Blizz forums, and this channel .... unless someone specifically asks me to come check something out, I usually only swing by other sites on a very irregular basis |
| 07:07.38 | futrtrubl | I can understand that |
| 07:07.59 | Cairenn | (it isn't anything personal against you ... ask Kael how often I'm ever at the Ace forums, or Gryphen how often I'm by the Cosmos forums) |
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| 07:08.25 | futrtrubl | just having your name on my member list is enough for me ;'] |
| 07:08.31 | Gryphen | Cairenn lives day and night on the Cosmos site |
| 07:08.35 | Cairenn | awww /blush |
| 07:08.43 | Cairenn | Gryphen: shhhhhh ;) |
| 07:08.56 | Cairenn | (you're supposed to be helping me out here!) |
| 07:09.01 | Gryphen | :) |
| 07:09.04 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 07:09.14 | futrtrubl | poor Guil |
| 07:09.21 | Cairenn | sheesh, can't count on anyone :p |
| 07:09.21 | MentalPower | why don't you create an account on our site? norganna.org/bb |
| 07:09.57 | MentalPower | :) |
| 07:10.15 | Cairenn | omg, *another* site ... /tears hair out |
| 07:11.16 | Cairenn | actually, I wish I weren't spread quite so thin ... had to give up being an admin at Tom's site :( |
| 07:11.17 | futrtrubl | hmm.. is there a specific sort of beta version type thinga m'job on the portals I can use? |
| 07:11.36 | Cairenn | if there isn't, request it :) |
| 07:11.43 | futrtrubl | will do |
| 07:11.55 | Kaelten | can't figure out why the text on this frame is so darkish looking |
| 07:11.58 | Gryphen | know how that is Cair |
| 07:13.20 | futrtrubl | under the frame and the frame is translucent? I had that problem when making a titan addon |
| 07:14.47 | Kaelten | ya fut thats what it looks like |
| 07:15.06 | Kaelten | any suggestions on how to fix it? |
| 07:16.57 | futrtrubl | bump the frame strata... oh wait, is it a fontstring right as part of the frame? |
| 07:17.26 | Kaelten | yep |
| 07:17.29 | futrtrubl | perhaps try a higher layer |
| 07:17.36 | Kaelten | I have it seton OVERLAY |
| 07:17.58 | futrtrubl | wrap it in a new frame with a high framestrata |
| 07:18.41 | futrtrubl | ahhhh, does the parent frame have an alpha value set for it? |
| 07:19.12 | Kaelten | I think so |
| 07:19.50 | futrtrubl | if so, all child elements (frames/fontstrings/textures) get their alpha changed too |
| 07:20.38 | futrtrubl | you could try set the text's alpha back up, but it might work like scale does now.... |
| 07:20.54 | Kaelten | hmm |
| 07:21.16 | futrtrubl | in which case you'ld have to create an over wrapper frame, and parent the text to that |
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| 07:23.08 | futrtrubl | or, if you just want the background of the frame translucent, set the background's alpha and not the whole frame's |
| 07:25.08 | Kaelten | hmm |
| 07:25.57 | Cairenn | mmh |
| 07:25.59 | Ktron | hey Kaelten, how hard would it be to modify KC_items to pick up links that are printed to the DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME, say by Getlink? |
| 07:35.55 | Kaelten | what you mean ktron? |
| 07:36.26 | Kaelten | are you refering to item collection for the database? |
| 07:36.38 | Ktron | yes |
| 07:36.47 | Kaelten | already does that |
| 07:36.55 | Kaelten | or at least it should be |
| 07:37.13 | Kaelten | persuming you have linknet installed |
| 07:37.23 | Ktron | I'm pretty certain it won't pick up getlink links unless I click on them... I don't think I do... heh |
| 07:37.29 | Ktron | I haven't heard of linknet |
| 07:37.42 | Kaelten | getlink links? |
| 07:38.08 | Kaelten | linknet is one of the modules that works int eh background, all it does is actively gathering link data |
| 07:38.14 | Kaelten | from auctions, players, and chat. |
| 07:38.29 | Kaelten | its part of the standard KCI distro |
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| 07:42.08 | futrtrubl | any french speakers around for some translation work? |
| 07:43.08 | Tain | ~x fr en Je parle de Francais |
| 07:43.36 | Tain | Best I can do. :) |
| 07:43.47 | Ktron | Kaelten; hm... yeah, getlink links... if I click on the links they'll add, but I don't think it'll automatically add them |
| 07:43.54 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 07:43.54 | Kaelten | ~x en fr I hate xml |
| 07:44.03 | Ktron | it was just a though |
| 07:44.17 | Ktron | ~x fr woah |
| 07:44.25 | futrtrubl | so do I Kaelten |
| 07:44.26 | Ktron | ~x en fr woah |
| 07:44.38 | Wobin_ | ~x en fr I am a purple cabbage |
| 07:44.40 | Kaelten | ktron, what exactly is getlink links? me confused |
| 07:44.51 | Kaelten | wow we have our own translator |
| 07:44.55 | Kaelten | lol |
| 07:44.56 | Wobin_ | That's really impressive =) |
| 07:45.00 | Wobin_ | ~botsnack |
| 07:45.00 | purl | Wobin_: aw, gee |
| 07:45.03 | Ktron | Kaelten; there's an addon called getlink, which returns links to the default chat frame (there's no UI) |
| 07:45.09 | futrtrubl | ~x en de I have a flame thrower in my trousers. |
| 07:45.32 | Kaelten | ~x en ch I hate xml |
| 07:45.33 | futrtrubl | close enough |
| 07:45.35 | Ktron | and the links that it returns don't automatically add to my kc_items database, pretty certain |
| 07:45.36 | Wobin_ | ~x en zh Hello |
| 07:45.43 | Wobin_ | omg |
| 07:45.48 | Kaelten | wow |
| 07:45.58 | Wobin_ | Now I really am impressed =) |
| 07:46.10 | Tain | purl, good bot |
| 07:46.10 | purl | Tain: thanks |
| 07:46.11 | Wobin_ | (and also have to change my settings so I can read it =P) |
| 07:46.15 | futrtrubl | if only my mirc understood how to display those characters |
| 07:46.18 | Ktron | purl, you speak.... zhandanianese? |
| 07:46.24 | Wobin_ | Chinese =P |
| 07:46.34 | Kaelten | ktron: so it doesn't actually go to a chat channel? |
| 07:46.39 | Kaelten | just gets displayed as a line? |
| 07:46.45 | Ktron | Kaelten; I think so |
| 07:47.02 | Kaelten | ok, cause linknet is setup to scan the chat channels |
| 07:47.07 | Ktron | Definitely doesn't go to a channel |
| 07:47.19 | Wobin_ | ~x en zh Goodbye |
| 07:47.26 | Wobin_ | hm =( |
| 07:47.44 | Kaelten | ~en sp Hi |
| 07:47.49 | Ktron | So I guess I'm asking how hard it would be to make linknet scan ever line |
| 07:47.54 | Kaelten | ~x en sp Hi |
| 07:47.56 | Ktron | s/ever/every/ |
| 07:48.09 | Kaelten | ~x en sp Hi, I'm a pink fish |
| 07:48.28 | Ktron | ~x en sp don't touch the animals |
| 07:48.42 | Kaelten | ~x en sp please feed the bot |
| 07:49.00 | Kaelten | ~botsnack |
| 07:49.00 | purl | Kaelten: thanks |
| 07:49.09 | futrtrubl | ~x en sp I have a cat in a sensitive area. |
| 07:49.21 | Kaelten | lol |
| 07:49.41 | Kaelten | I can see the patch notes now: German and French translations done by purl on Freenode |
| 07:49.52 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 07:50.04 | Ktron | lol |
| 07:50.07 | futrtrubl | I tried that, my text strings confuse it |
| 07:50.24 | futrtrubl | purl ended up making me insult my users |
| 07:50.39 | Tain | That's a feature. |
| 07:50.46 | futrtrubl | ahh yes |
| 07:50.49 | Kaelten | ~x en de Toggles display of the single price |
| 07:51.09 | Tain | ~x en de Toggles display of the single penis |
| 07:51.19 | futrtrubl | lol |
| 07:51.30 | futrtrubl | ~x en de lol |
| 07:51.32 | Tain | Mistakes can be made. |
| 07:52.10 | Kaelten | kton well it just depends on what method they are using to add the line |
| 07:52.21 | Kaelten | easiest way would be to scan the text being sent to display via a hook. |
| 07:52.24 | Kaelten | fairly easy to do. |
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| 07:53.12 | Shouryuu | rawr |
| 07:53.17 | futrtrubl | hey Shouryuu |
| 07:53.26 | futrtrubl | want some more translation work? ;'] |
| 07:53.38 | Shouryuu | hummm how big is it? |
| 07:53.43 | futrtrubl | 3 lines |
| 07:53.46 | namxo | :] |
| 07:53.47 | Tain | that's kind of a personal question, Shouryuu |
| 07:53.57 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 07:53.58 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 07:54.03 | Shouryuu | yeah 3 lines is fine |
| 07:55.27 | Shouryuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:55.43 | Cairenn | correct |
| 07:55.57 | Shouryuu | ok my computer was just slow |
| 07:56.36 | futrtrubl | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:59.14 | Kaelten | how many seconds should I wait between updating a few lines of text? |
| 07:59.59 | futrtrubl | why would you need to wait? |
| 08:00.28 | Kaelten | I'm doing it In an OnUpdate block and I don't want it to fire all the time |
| 08:01.06 | futrtrubl | every 0.5 should sufficient if it doesn't change much |
| 08:01.36 | futrtrubl | what are you making? |
| 08:01.56 | Kaelten | just a little screen that shows some stats for KC_Items item database |
| 08:02.06 | namxo | 2sec |
| 08:02.23 | futrtrubl | ahh |
| 08:02.54 | Kaelten | anyone remember the names of those functions that will return how long a function has taken to run? |
| 08:03.06 | Kaelten | startdebugprofile? |
| 08:03.44 | namxo | don't use that, use GetTime() |
| 08:03.54 | Kaelten | why not use that? |
| 08:04.01 | namxo | if (GetTime() > myTime) then |
| 08:04.07 | namxo | myTime = GetTime()+2 |
| 08:04.08 | namxo | mycode |
| 08:04.08 | namxo | end |
| 08:04.27 | futrtrubl | debugprofilestart() debugprofilestop() |
| 08:05.19 | Kaelten | oh namxo, I was just wanting to actually time a function |
| 08:05.22 | Kaelten | thanks fut |
| 08:05.22 | Wobin_ | aha |
| 08:05.33 | Wobin_ | apparantly all I need is mIRC version 6.17 |
| 08:06.10 | Kaelten | so if profilestop returns .12 thats .12 of a millesecond? |
| 08:06.41 | namxo | you can also use myTime :pm |
| 08:06.51 | namxo | laps = GetTime() |
| 08:06.54 | namxo | mycode |
| 08:06.56 | futrtrubl | I think so Kaelten |
| 08:06.58 | namxo | duration = GetTim()-laps |
| 08:06.58 | namxo | ;p |
| 08:07.04 | Kaelten | lol |
| 08:07.35 | Wobin_ | brb |
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| 08:08.43 | Kaelten | .12 of a ms is very... fast |
| 08:08.50 | namxo | yep |
| 08:08.50 | namxo | :) |
| 08:09.22 | Wobin_ | ~x en zh Hello purl! |
| 08:09.32 | Wobin_ | oh wow, it worked |
| 08:09.52 | Wobin_ | That's brilliant =) |
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| 08:11.00 | Cairenn | night folks |
| 08:11.06 | futrtrubl | night Cairenn |
| 08:11.09 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
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| 08:50.38 | namxo | i've found the bug ! |
| 08:50.40 | namxo | but not exactly |
| 08:50.44 | namxo | it's minigroup2 ! |
| 08:50.56 | namxo | self:RegisterEvent("UNIT_HEALTH","StatusBarsUpdateHealth") |
| 08:50.59 | namxo | in minigroup2 |
| 08:51.02 | namxo | arg1 = nil |
| 08:51.04 | namxo | self:RegisterEvent("aUNIT_HEALTH","StatusBarsUpdateHealth") |
| 08:51.07 | namxo | arg1 = player |
| 08:51.23 | namxo | but i see nothing strange in StatusBarsUpdateHealth |
| 08:51.53 | Kaelten | well that a shouldn't be there |
| 08:52.30 | namxo | i make a test, print arg1 at the top and the end of function |
| 08:52.34 | namxo | hey hey, it's that !!!! |
| 08:52.37 | namxo | at the top : |
| 08:52.39 | namxo | mg2 : player |
| 08:52.41 | namxo | at the end |
| 08:52.44 | namxo | mg2 >: nil |
| 08:53.58 | Kaelten | I'd have to see the function to see if I could spot anything |
| 08:54.53 | namxo | getglobal("MG"..unit.."_HealthBar"):SetMinMaxValues(0,maxValue) |
| 08:54.54 | namxo | getglobal("MG"..unit.."_HealthBar"):SetValue(currValue) |
| 08:54.54 | namxo | getglobal("MG"..unit.."_HealthBar_BG"):SetMinMaxValues(0,maxValue) |
| 08:54.54 | namxo | getglobal("MG"..unit.."_HealthBar_BG"):SetValue(maxValue) |
| 08:54.56 | namxo | the bug is here |
| 08:55.00 | namxo | before arg1 = player |
| 08:55.02 | namxo | after arg1 = nil |
| 08:55.06 | namxo | but i don't see why.. |
| 08:55.41 | Kaelten | arg1 isn't even used in that |
| 08:55.49 | namxo | yep it's the problem :( |
| 08:56.03 | Kaelten | is that the whole function? |
| 08:56.14 | namxo | hum wait, maybe a bad localisation |
| 08:57.05 | namxo | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("mg2 : "..tostring(arg1)) |
| 08:57.05 | namxo | getglobal("MG"..unit.."_HealthBar"):SetMinMaxValues(0,maxValue) |
| 08:57.06 | namxo | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("mg2 >: "..tostring(arg1)) |
| 08:57.07 | namxo | player |
| 08:57.08 | namxo | nil |
| 08:57.14 | namxo | i restart wow to be sure |
| 08:57.50 | namxo | yes it's that |
| 08:58.07 | namxo | but why ? :] |
| 08:58.37 | Kaelten | namxo I can't explain to you whats going on without seeing the whole funciton. |
| 08:59.28 | namxo | wait |
| 08:59.53 | namxo | http://pastebin.com/560809 |
| 09:01.18 | namxo | i've only voilemortel and minigroup and have the problem |
| 09:01.33 | namxo | SetMinMaxValues isn't redefine in mg2 and vm |
| 09:01.38 | namxo | maybe it's a bug of blizzard |
| 09:01.54 | Kaelten | the bug comes from trying to localize a arg1 |
| 09:02.00 | Kaelten | for some reason, blizz doesn't like that |
| 09:02.09 | namxo | sorry ? i don't understand |
| 09:02.10 | Kaelten | or well for some reaosn it dosn't work right |
| 09:02.35 | namxo | mg2 don't localize arg1, and vm don't too |
| 09:02.54 | Kaelten | mg2 does, by having unit in the argument list |
| 09:03.01 | Kaelten | its a random bug I've heard about a few times. |
| 09:03.37 | namxo | really ? i try a modification wait |
| 09:03.53 | Kaelten | well it'll break other places if you jsut remove it |
| 09:04.11 | namxo | i try a dirty patch ;p |
| 09:04.16 | Kaelten | leave it in change this like :self:RegisterEvent("UNIT_HEALTH","StatusBarsUpdateHealth"): to self:RegisterEvent("UNIT_HEALTH") |
| 09:04.58 | Kaelten | and then have function MiniGroup2:UNIT_HEALTH() self:StatusBarsUpdateHealth(arg1) end |
| 09:05.26 | namxo | it's not tha |
| 09:05.28 | namxo | it's not that |
| 09:05.37 | namxo | my dirty patch make a arg1 == nil too |
| 09:06.19 | namxo | http://pastebin.com/560812 |
| 09:06.20 | namxo | look |
| 09:06.27 | namxo | duplicate StatusBarsUpdateHealth |
| 09:06.42 | namxo | from event is StatusBarsUpdateHealth, from code (with unit arg) is StatusBarsUpdateHealthRedirect |
| 09:08.14 | Kaelten | I still stick by my original recommendation. |
| 09:08.27 | namxo | ok i try |
| 09:08.35 | Kaelten | you'll need to do it to both events registered to call that function |
| 09:09.49 | namxo | still bug with your code |
| 09:09.56 | namxo | i try restart wow |
| 09:10.46 | namxo | i confirm, still bug |
| 09:10.56 | namxo | i try replace |
| 09:10.57 | namxo | self:RegisterEvent("UNIT_MAXHEALTH","StatusBarsUpdateHealth") |
| 09:10.57 | Kaelten | then beats me |
| 09:10.58 | namxo | by |
| 09:11.02 | namxo | self:RegisterEvent("UNIT_MAXHEALTH") |
| 09:11.29 | namxo | still bug |
| 09:11.29 | namxo | :( |
| 09:11.39 | Kaelten | sorry man I'm out of ideas, |
| 09:11.40 | namxo | very strange bug |
| 09:12.31 | namxo | i will report it to mg2's author ;p |
| 09:12.35 | namxo | it's he's problem lol |
| 09:18.05 | namxo | i've made a stupid fix |
| 09:18.07 | namxo | but it's work |
| 09:18.07 | namxo | lol |
| 09:18.15 | namxo | function MiniGroup2:StatusBarsUpdateHealth(unit) |
| 09:18.16 | namxo | local save_arg1 = arg1 |
| 09:18.20 | namxo | -- code |
| 09:18.29 | namxo | arg1 = save_arg1 |
| 09:18.32 | namxo | end |
| 09:18.33 | namxo | xD |
| 09:25.02 | namxo | YES, VoileMortel works fine ! |
| 09:25.08 | namxo | 10 hours on a stupid bug :] |
| 09:39.13 | namxo | is it possible with ace to have a range value for settings ? |
| 09:39.19 | namxo | like input = TRUE |
| 09:39.22 | namxo | but something like : |
| 09:39.25 | namxo | range = 0-20 |
| 09:39.26 | namxo | ? |
| 09:39.34 | Kaelten | no |
| 09:39.43 | namxo | ok maybe in 2.0 :) |
| 09:39.49 | Kaelten | maybe |
| 09:39.52 | Kaelten | :) |
| 09:40.05 | namxo | it's a nice feature i think |
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| 09:43.25 | namxo | function EP_VoileMortel:FormatToRange(arg, lower_bound, upper_bound, variable) |
| 09:43.25 | namxo | if tonumber(arg) > upper_bound then |
| 09:43.25 | namxo | arg = upper_bound |
| 09:43.25 | namxo | elseif tonumber(arg) < lower_bound then |
| 09:43.26 | namxo | arg = lower_bound |
| 09:43.26 | namxo | else |
| 09:43.28 | namxo | arg = DEFAULT_OPTIONS.variable |
| 09:43.30 | namxo | end |
| 09:43.34 | namxo | :] |
| 09:44.29 | namxo | hum i've forget return arg ;p |
| 09:46.17 | Shouryuu | aww, on the french UI servers they have a stcik called "Why WoWToc is useless" |
| 09:46.26 | namxo | yep |
| 09:46.33 | futrtrubl | thank god |
| 09:46.36 | namxo | because french people are silly ;p |
| 09:46.43 | futrtrubl | we need one on the NA forum |
| 09:46.52 | Shouryuu | ah ouai c vrai t francais toi... |
| 09:46.57 | namxo | bah oué :) |
| 09:47.04 | Shouryuu | ta un account europeen? |
| 09:47.11 | namxo | bah un accompte francais |
| 09:47.28 | Shouryuu | ouai ta pas la version US qwa |
| 09:47.40 | namxo | j'ai un client FR/EN cependant |
| 09:47.51 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 09:47.57 | Shouryuu | aye = oui |
| 09:47.59 | namxo | et j'ai milité pour le problème des canaux fr avec un client en |
| 09:48.00 | Shouryuu | et pas aille |
| 09:48.01 | Tain | ~x en fr Why WoWToc is useless |
| 09:48.08 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 09:48.23 | Kaelten | ~ fr en et j'ai milité pour le problème des canaux fr avec un client en |
| 09:48.30 | Kaelten | ~x fr en et j'ai milité pour le problème des canaux fr avec un client en |
| 09:48.35 | namxo | lots of french people thinks wowtoc adapt the addon for a new patch, but it's wrong :] |
| 09:48.44 | Shouryuu | ouai jai un cousin qu'a joue avec une version anglaise sur son account francais, il pouvais pas joinez les canaux de chat :( |
| 09:48.50 | Kaelten | lots of us people think that too. |
| 09:48.55 | namxo | militated purl |
| 09:49.00 | namxo | heu Tain |
| 09:49.00 | namxo | ;p |
| 09:49.02 | Tain | Ok let's see |
| 09:49.16 | Tain | Yes, I have a cousin who plays with an English version on his french account |
| 09:49.19 | namxo | Kaelten so you must a post like that too xD |
| 09:49.31 | Shouryuu | that's good so far |
| 09:49.42 | Shouryuu | but it's played |
| 09:49.58 | Tain | That's high-school French classes from.. about 15 years ago. |
| 09:49.59 | Shouryuu | but that's because I have a US keyboard and can't put "joue" to the right tence |
| 09:50.02 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 09:50.15 | Tain | Wait is that right? Am I really that old? |
| 09:51.05 | Shouryuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:51.20 | Kaelten | well guys I'm out |
| 09:51.22 | Kaelten | sleep calls |
| 09:51.24 | Kaelten | its way past my bedtime |
| 09:51.31 | Kaelten | but thats what I get for sleeping until 5pm |
| 09:51.35 | Tain | I actually had a half-decent grasp of the French language for an ignorant American at the time. |
| 09:51.37 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 09:51.51 | Tain | Have a good one Kael |
| 09:52.13 | Kaelten | k, later tain, let me know if you have any issues with .94 |
| 09:52.21 | Kaelten | I'm hoping to be able to release within the week or so |
| 09:52.28 | Tain | Will do |
| 09:52.41 | Kaelten | there are alot more options, some of them aren't done yet, but most are |
| 09:53.00 | Kaelten | later |
| 09:53.06 | Shouryuu | and you are working on? |
| 09:53.13 | Kaelten | me? |
| 09:53.33 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 09:53.37 | Shouryuu | realease what? |
| 09:53.39 | Kaelten | I'm working on KC_Items .94 |
| 09:53.41 | Shouryuu | ahhh |
| 09:57.36 | Shouryuu | wow, there's a post on the french UI forums which is rather interesting |
| 09:58.06 | Shouryuu | A blue almost states blizzards stance towards add-ons |
| 09:59.14 | Shouryuu | we need to translate this, it explains the difference between third party program and add-on |
| 10:00.41 | Tain | yes! |
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| 10:09.56 | Shouryuu | what does API stand for already? |
| 10:10.19 | namxo | ? |
| 10:10.19 | namxo | :) |
| 10:10.54 | Shouryuu | API, what does it stand for =( |
| 10:11.05 | Shouryuu | <=== not an |_||33|2 coder |
| 10:11.20 | namxo | i don't understand what you say |
| 10:11.32 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 10:11.39 | Shouryuu | API ca veux dire quoi? |
| 10:12.02 | Shouryuu | OTAN c Organisation du Traite d'Atlantique Nord |
| 10:12.05 | namxo | :p |
| 10:12.14 | Shouryuu | API c'est A_______ P________ I____ :P |
| 10:12.19 | namxo | API isn't a wow words |
| 10:12.22 | namxo | or a blizzard words |
| 10:12.27 | namxo | it's an informatic word :) |
| 10:12.51 | namxo | Application Programming Interface |
| 10:12.54 | Tain | ~wtf api |
| 10:13.02 | Tain | Damn |
| 10:13.22 | Shouryuu | aye thanks |
| 10:13.34 | Shouryuu | and OTAN isn't WoW or blizzard neither, fyi :D |
| 10:15.36 | Tain | ~wtf otan |
| 10:15.43 | Tain | ~wtf wtf |
| 10:16.06 | namxo | ~wtf oxman |
| 10:16.15 | namxo | it means god stupid bot |
| 10:16.16 | namxo | ;p |
| 10:17.18 | Shouryuu | OTAN = NATO |
| 10:17.22 | Tain | oxman? What the heck? |
| 10:17.28 | Shouryuu | yeah I second that tain |
| 10:17.46 | Tain | ~wtf nato |
| 10:17.57 | Tain | Someone's been slacking. |
| 10:18.26 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 10:18.33 | Shouryuu | you do know nato now don't you |
| 10:20.09 | namxo | next week, the talent for priests |
| 10:20.10 | namxo | :') |
| 10:20.13 | namxo | with a great up |
| 10:22.17 | Shouryuu | lol you're a priest as well? |
| 10:22.36 | namxo | yep |
| 10:22.39 | namxo | the best class |
| 10:22.40 | namxo | :) |
| 10:23.03 | Shouryuu | ally or horde? |
| 10:23.16 | namxo | hord, don't insult me |
| 10:23.16 | namxo | ;p |
| 10:23.42 | Shouryuu | troll? |
| 10:23.44 | namxo | ally in french is very young |
| 10:24.05 | namxo | lot's of jacky (or kevin in french) |
| 10:24.07 | namxo | ud |
| 10:24.12 | namxo | i don't like the troll skin |
| 10:24.42 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 10:24.51 | Shouryuu | I'm a troll priest =( |
| 10:25.17 | namxo | if you like the skin it's good :) |
| 10:26.42 | Shouryuu | Too many UD imo |
| 10:28.13 | namxo | yes, it's the problem :( |
| 10:28.21 | namxo | but you've not lot of choice for priest |
| 10:28.25 | Tain | That's because the Undead tell the best jokes. |
| 10:28.29 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 10:28.41 | namxo | a tauren priest will be fun xD |
| 10:28.44 | Shouryuu | I just discovered that the troll "I eat two dwarfes in da morning..." |
| 10:28.49 | Shouryuu | comes rom |
| 10:28.53 | Tain | haha |
| 10:28.53 | Shouryuu | I smoke two joints in da morning... |
| 10:28.56 | Tain | Yep. |
| 10:29.00 | namxo | :p |
| 10:29.03 | Shouryuu | I smoke two joints before I smoke two joints |
| 10:29.12 | Shouryuu | I laughed my ass off when I heard that song |
| 10:29.37 | Shouryuu | I almsot wanted to explain my friends why |
| 10:29.44 | Shouryuu | but I didn't want to look too geeky |
| 10:29.57 | Tain | Which one did you hear though? Bob Marley's version is the best. |
| 10:30.28 | Shouryuu | boby' |
| 10:30.28 | Shouryuu | s |
| 10:30.51 | Tain | His wasn't the original, but still my favorite. |
| 10:31.10 | Tain | Then Sublime had to go piss all over it and release their own. |
| 10:31.51 | Shouryuu | awwwww |
| 10:32.25 | Tain | Don't get me wrong, I do actually like some of Sublime's stuff. That just isn't one of them. |
| 10:34.47 | Shouryuu | I;nm not much into that kind of music anywyas |
| 10:34.54 | Shouryuu | I hardly know sublime |
| 10:35.01 | Shouryuu | heard a song of theirs while I was drunk last week |
| 10:35.05 | Shouryuu | and that's about all |
| 10:35.28 | Tain | That's probably the only time you will. |
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| 10:36.00 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 10:36.14 | Shouryuu | there are 3 types of music imo |
| 10:36.22 | Shouryuu | the one you listen when you're drunk |
| 10:36.29 | Shouryuu | the one you listen when your on drugs |
| 10:36.31 | Shouryuu | and the rest |
| 10:36.56 | Tain | hehe |