| 00:01.29 | Guillotine | then we better not stop |
| 00:01.37 | Guillotine | speaking of bad addons, I just uploaded a new one |
| 00:01.49 | Guillotine | wrote it 2 patches ago and forgot to upload it |
| 00:01.56 | Guillotine | actually, its not bad |
| 00:02.03 | Guillotine | but the info text is |
| 00:02.10 | Guillotine | yay for corny TV infomercials! |
| 00:03.04 | Guillotine | ooo. if you havn't accepted it yet cair, could you add on that its only activated for hunters? |
| 00:03.40 | Cairenn | go edit your description :p |
| 00:03.44 | Cairenn | it's already been approved |
| 00:03.50 | Guillotine | ok |
| 00:03.58 | ckknight | what does it do? |
| 00:04.47 | Cairenn | warns you not to be an idiot and to go buy bullets/arrows |
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| 00:05.08 | ckknight | I'd prefer to just have a countdown thing |
| 00:05.18 | ckknight | that goes from green to yellow to red |
| 00:05.26 | Cairenn | different strokes for different folks :) |
| 00:05.58 | Guillotine | ck: then edit it yourself: I just wrote this for my gf after she had some problems forgetting to buy arrows |
| 00:06.30 | Cairenn | you know, you had been doing pretty well for a few minutes there Guillotine - you stayed connected for what must have been a full 5 minutes :) |
| 00:06.39 | Guillotine | yup |
| 00:06.48 | Guillotine | I seriously don't know why I'm d/c so much. it doesn't happen in any other program |
| 00:07.30 | Guillotine | is it possible to stealth-kick people from the server? I bet Cairenn is doing it just to laugh at me |
| 00:07.33 | Guillotine | <.< |
| 00:07.35 | Guillotine | >.> |
| 00:07.47 | wereHamster | good night .. |
| 00:07.51 | Cairenn | oh come on baby, you know I love you more than that ... |
| 00:07.57 | Cairenn | night wereHamster :) sweet dreams |
| 00:08.37 | Cairenn | I would kick you to your face, not behind your back ;) |
| 00:08.45 | Guillotine | ahhh |
| 00:08.47 | Guillotine | true |
| 00:08.55 | Guillotine | then I bet its Shouryuu... I bet he really owns freenode |
| 00:09.06 | Guillotine | or that he bought it out to play this joke on me |
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| 00:09.28 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:09.50 | Cairenn | good to have you guys back in channel, we've missed your insanity ;) |
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| 00:11.35 | Cairenn | hey ckknight? can you check your "BossPanel_Bags" file? been getting spammed with download errors on it the last little while ... |
| 00:11.41 | ckknight | hrm |
| 00:12.04 | ckknight | oh, cause I uploaded Durability with the bags zip file |
| 00:12.10 | ckknight | probably caused a bug in the system |
| 00:12.42 | sarf|WoW | Good night, all |
| 00:12.48 | ckknight | g'night |
| 00:12.49 | Guillotine | night sarf |
| 00:12.51 | Cairenn | night sarf|WoW :) sweet dreams |
| 00:13.13 | Guillotine | dream of bug fixes... and lots of free epics |
| 00:13.17 | Shouryuu | lol |
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| 00:15.36 | Guillotine | I'm suprised that there hasn't been an uproar on the general forums about the new 'submitting non-personal information' step to logging in |
| 00:15.50 | Shouryuu | yeah I wanted to ask a GM about that |
| 00:15.51 | Guillotine | shouryuu: if it works, it was worth the pain |
| 00:15.54 | Shouryuu | but got lazy and didn't |
| 00:15.55 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 00:15.57 | cladhaire | Evening |
| 00:16.01 | Shouryuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.08 | ckknight | non-personal information? |
| 00:16.11 | cladhaire | Guill: There has been, you just missed it |
| 00:16.37 | cladhaire | Is there a Boss DPS meter yet? |
| 00:16.41 | zespri | I think they are trying to make an imporession of visibilty by this message =) |
| 00:16.43 | cladhaire | i'm actually playing my rogue tonight =) |
| 00:17.19 | zespri | they've had enough with warden story, so now they are covering their arses this way - good PR |
| 00:18.34 | Guillotine | they should change that text to 'Noobiness factor being checked'. Then when you can't connect it says 'Noobiness factor exceeded'. Then they can say they have good servers. It's just you |
| 00:18.50 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 00:19.03 | Cairenn | hey cladhaire :) |
| 00:19.33 | Cairenn | ckknight: approved, let's see if that fixes the problem |
| 00:22.10 | Legorol | Iriel, if you are around, I replied to the GetWidth thread |
| 00:22.24 | Shouryuu | w00t I managed to make someone change his title from "ZOMG I NEED HELP!!oneone!one1eleven" Tto " could someone please help me?" |
| 00:22.27 | Shouryuu | <==== proud! |
| 00:23.09 | Guillotine | haha |
| 00:23.13 | cladhaire | I just need a standalone DPS-meter.. anyone got one for me? |
| 00:25.11 | Shouryuu | you could recap and configure it so you only get your dps? |
| 00:25.24 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 00:25.28 | cladhaire | they're all the same event overhead |
| 00:25.28 | cladhaire | sadly |
| 00:27.16 | Shouryuu | well i dunno |
| 00:31.24 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 00:31.41 | Cairenn | his response: "Ok its on several other sites. Thought you may use it here. The moral high ground does have a lovely view. :D" |
| 00:31.43 | Cairenn | whatever |
| 00:32.09 | AnduinLothar | CombatStats should work standalone |
| 00:32.40 | Iriel | Legorol: I see, and you're right, I'm updating the wiki too so I dont mis-recall again 8-) |
| 00:33.30 | AnduinLothar | Anyone got any actual bugs (rather than suggestions) that they want me to report tonight? |
| 00:33.46 | AnduinLothar | Since I now have access to the internal bug system |
| 00:34.24 | Iriel | Feign Death -> Lay Trap ? |
| 00:34.24 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 00:34.28 | Iriel | I consider that a bug, myself. |
| 00:34.32 | Iriel | And I'm a hunter, fancy that |
| 00:34.59 | AnduinLothar | ya, you can loot, lay traps and all sorts of random things while feigning |
| 00:35.20 | Iriel | you have to time some of them right |
| 00:35.25 | AnduinLothar | not sure if it's a bug, would have to search. I'm fairly positive it will already have been reported |
| 00:35.42 | AnduinLothar | how do you time it? |
| 00:36.06 | Iriel | Well, I believe FD->Trap only works if you do the trap before you reach the ground |
| 00:36.30 | AnduinLothar | hot key and place quickly then |
| 00:36.31 | Iriel | I'm sure it's not listed as a 'bug' per se, but I also think it's a horrible exploit of game mechanics |
| 00:36.51 | Iriel | traps just go where you're standing, so you can just double-tap a macro |
| 00:36.55 | AnduinLothar | exploits and bugs are in the same system |
| 00:37.11 | AnduinLothar | feign have global cooldown? |
| 00:41.09 | futrtrubl | cladhaire, write a text var for BEB, and it will do your DPS |
| 00:41.38 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 00:41.42 | cladhaire | huh? |
| 00:41.59 | futrtrubl | ever used BEB? |
| 00:42.02 | cladhaire | no |
| 00:42.42 | AnduinLothar | class |
| 00:42.42 | Iriel | When you're feigning you have to get up to do anything else |
| 00:42.56 | Iriel | The window of opportunity is between casting the spell, and hitting the ground in feign position |
| 00:43.01 | AnduinLothar | kk |
| 00:43.09 | Iriel | Spin up a hunter and play |
| 00:43.18 | futrtrubl | hmmm... OK, BEB has "text vars" $xxx type things that are replaced by a value as nesesary in game, you can add your own |
| 00:43.19 | Iriel | Just FD normally, and see what you can/cannot do |
| 00:43.19 | AnduinLothar | already got one, should be easy to test |
| 00:43.31 | Iriel | then try doing things on the way down, and you'll see the problem |
| 00:43.36 | AnduinLothar | fyi 1.10 is more massive than any of you think.. |
| 00:43.52 | Iriel | I expect it to be pretty massive |
| 00:43.59 | Cairenn | you think ... |
| 00:43.59 | Iriel | so it being more massive than that would be scary |
| 00:44.13 | Cairenn | there may be one or two of us that have an inclination :p |
| 00:44.15 | AnduinLothar | on the plus side Archaeologist doesn't break :) MobileFrames Errors :( |
| 00:44.25 | Iriel | That's cheating! |
| 00:44.26 | cladhaire | Futr: I've seen it before tho. |
| 00:44.33 | futrtrubl | cool |
| 00:44.34 | Iriel | No UI development on the QA servers until we have one to play on! |
| 00:44.40 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 00:44.53 | futrtrubl | will we have to change or font usage with 1.10? |
| 00:45.10 | futrtrubl | our* |
| 00:45.16 | Legorol | ;-) |
| 00:45.18 | Cairenn | later AnduinLothar |
| 00:45.38 | Legorol | Hmm, is it possible that AnduinLothar is the only Blizzard employee that writes AddOns? quite possible.. |
| 00:46.03 | Legorol | i guess Rislyn counts as well, now with the tutorial |
| 00:46.05 | Legorol | :D |
| 00:46.24 | Guillotine | Anduin is a blizz employee? |
| 00:46.27 | Guillotine | since when? |
| 00:46.29 | futrtrubl | Slouken writes addons, and everyone uses them ;'] |
| 00:46.30 | Cairenn | QA |
| 00:46.32 | Cairenn | Monday |
| 00:46.34 | AnduinLothar | actually there are QA engineers that have written a few internal ones ;) |
| 00:46.35 | Guillotine | ahhh |
| 00:46.38 | Guillotine | grats anduin! |
| 00:46.40 | cladhaire | I'm a pain in the ass tonight.. wasn't there a mod once upon a time that showed your attack speed? I just got Eskhandar's RIght Claw.. and I'm playing my rogue all the time now.. so i'd love to see what i'm swinging at |
| 00:46.58 | cladhaire | got it |
| 00:47.15 | Guillotine | so Anduin, you live here in Irvine now? |
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| 00:48.30 | Guillotine | don't worry, I'm not stalking you ;) |
| 00:48.47 | cladhaire | I am *wink* |
| 00:48.51 | cladhaire | =) |
| 00:48.56 | Shouryuu | don't trust guillotine |
| 00:49.03 | Guillotine | lol shouryuu |
| 00:49.08 | Wobin_ | I never thought I'd be so happy to be in a queue =) |
| 00:49.21 | futrtrubl | so Anduin, can you get me a discount on my next years WoW subscription? ;'] |
| 00:49.47 | Guillotine | rofl |
| 00:49.47 | Wobin_ | Sure! Just send him $500 USD and he'll set it up for you =) |
| 00:49.52 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 00:50.26 | Wobin_ | If you want, Anduin, I'll take care of the processing for a small agents fee >=) |
| 00:50.56 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 00:50.59 | Shouryuu | I have a feeling these jokes are going to get old :P |
| 00:51.24 | Wobin_ | Of course they are =P |
| 00:51.35 | Guillotine | so Anduin, do you now know what they new alliance race is? |
| 00:51.40 | Guillotine | they've told yout aht its the YA RLY bird? |
| 00:51.43 | Shouryuu | the ORLY bird |
| 00:51.45 | Shouryuu | dang |
| 00:51.48 | Shouryuu | beat me to it |
| 00:51.51 | Guillotine | no. Slouken said it was the YA RLY bird |
| 00:51.54 | Wobin_ | Which is why I will endeavour to make the most stupid responses to them =P |
| 00:51.55 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 00:52.21 | futrtrubl | Wobin_, if your hands are going to touch my money then forget it ;']= |
| 00:52.34 | Wobin_ | I like the cthuhlu one "O Ry'leh" |
| 00:52.39 | futrtrubl | I want racing snails |
| 00:52.53 | Wobin_ | Oh don't worry Fut =) Not only will you get the discount, you'll also get WOWGOLD |
| 00:53.28 | futrtrubl | WOWGOLD!!!!! for real!?!?!?! |
| 00:53.48 | Wobin_ | That's right! |
| 00:53.56 | Wobin_ | Everyone knows USD=GOLD |
| 00:54.01 | Guillotine | lol |
| 00:54.35 | futrtrubl | Invest now in WOWGOLD! The market is poised to EXPLODE! |
| 00:54.55 | Wobin_ | SELL SELL SELL! BUY BUY BUY! |
| 00:55.29 | Wobin_ | blinkblink |
| 00:55.35 | Guillotine | oh ya Anduin. I did accidently find an exploit to report. If you get on a gryphon/hippo ect. and someoen throws a snowball at you just as you get on, you get to the destination instantly |
| 00:55.38 | Guillotine | if the person was in your group |
| 00:55.45 | Wobin_ | Kerio Firewall wants to upload the crashlog |
| 00:55.49 | Gryphen | :o |
| 00:55.51 | Wobin_ | all 250M of it |
| 00:56.05 | futrtrubl | Never before (since Everquest)(and SWG) has a market like this existed! |
| 00:56.09 | Wobin_ | ... |
| 00:56.18 | Wobin_ | Really, Guill? =) |
| 00:56.18 | Gryphen | dang that is still in there Guillotine? that was in there last year :o |
| 00:56.31 | Guillotine | well, it happened to me this year... |
| 00:56.42 | Shouryuu | that's rather cool |
| 00:57.04 | Wobin_ | Hehe you could advertise yourself as a transporter =) |
| 00:57.09 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 00:57.17 | Wobin_ | "Put me in your group before your flight, and I'll get you there DOUBLETIME" |
| 00:58.00 | Guillotine | ya, but then you get suspended for exploiting game mechanics :/ |
| 00:58.18 | Shouryuu | "Late for that important raid? Meeting your gf but the windrider will take forever? Whisper guillotine and he'll get you there in the blink of an eye!" |
| 00:58.36 | Cairenn | Guillotine: that's an old bug, they've know about it for ages |
| 00:58.47 | Guillotine | well, they still havn't fixed it ;) |
| 00:58.56 | Guillotine | though its only really easy to do once a year |
| 00:59.08 | Guillotine | although I do have 2 alts completely full of snowballs |
| 00:59.12 | Guillotine | to summon the pets |
| 00:59.16 | Guillotine | and turn myself into a snowman |
| 00:59.23 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 00:59.23 | Legorol | hmm, maybe this will make my Snowmaster 9000 more valuable :D |
| 00:59.27 | Cairenn | because it wasn't widely known before, and thus wasn't exploited before |
| 00:59.32 | Cairenn | it's going away |
| 00:59.38 | Legorol | and the stack of 1000 or so snowballs i saved on an alt :D |
| 01:00.06 | Shouryuu | lol you crazy ppl |
| 01:01.07 | Guillotine | maybe I should whisper exploits I find next time >_< |
| 01:01.24 | Wobin_ | Meh, for me.. overall too much effort to organise =P |
| 01:02.59 | Guillotine | ah. one more exploit. If a hunter has tamed a hakkar son from ZG and you kill it in a duel, you gain Zandalar rep :0 |
| 01:03.16 | Guillotine | not really enough for it to be worth it, but I doubt its supposed to be doing that |
| 01:04.21 | Guillotine | trying to think if there were any others I found that are still around... |
| 01:05.20 | Wobin_ | I wonder if you could set up a raid full of hunters that could continuously kill/res their own sons of hakkar over and over? |
| 01:05.25 | Wobin_ | For the rep |
| 01:05.41 | Wobin_ | (again, waaaaay past my level of effort =P) |
| 01:06.09 | Guillotine | you could. but I think it was only 1 rep. so not worth it |
| 01:06.29 | Wobin_ | Faster to take that raid into ZG =P |
| 01:07.27 | Guillotine | oh ya. using Demoralizing roar in a neutral town will make the gaurds attack both you and whoever it affected |
| 01:07.35 | Codayus | you can farm rep in ZG fairly easily now with the new higher rep values... kill the fish. Doesn't even take a raid... |
| 01:07.51 | Wobin_ | aw man |
| 01:08.04 | Wobin_ | And just when I thought my connection issues were fixed |
| 01:08.10 | Wobin_ | I can't connect anymore |
| 01:08.11 | Wobin_ | =( |
| 01:08.23 | Guillotine | is Anduin even still reading this or am I just spouting off exploits I found? |
| 01:08.32 | Shouryuu | spouting |
| 01:08.45 | Cairenn | he said he was gone :p |
| 01:08.55 | Codayus | not that that makes the hunter pet rep thing any less of a bug...but it's pointless. |
| 01:08.56 | Shouryuu | you actualy read what people say? |
| 01:09.09 | Cairenn | concept, huh? :p |
| 01:09.37 | Codayus | hmmm, I knew the hunter rep thing. Don't think I know any others. |
| 01:09.53 | Guillotine | listening to what other people say? thats crazy talk! |
| 01:10.00 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 01:10.01 | Shouryuu | noobs |
| 01:10.04 | Shouryuu | who does that... |
| 01:10.47 | Guillotine | oh ya. there was one other big exploit. though there's no reason in saying it if anduin's gone... |
| 01:11.10 | Codayus | heh |
| 01:11.28 | Shouryuu | weaksauce |
| 01:12.00 | Codayus | you're just trying to make yourself look important...you don't have anything. :-P |
| 01:12.05 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 01:12.38 | Guillotine | 2 big ones actually |
| 01:12.38 | Shouryuu | what does it do? don't tell us how, just what it does :p |
| 01:12.49 | Guillotine | free rez and hearth |
| 01:12.59 | Guillotine | (no -durability, doesnt use your hearth cooldown) |
| 01:13.06 | Shouryuu | oh |
| 01:13.25 | Guillotine | and the other one lets you get around the que for AV |
| 01:14.01 | Guillotine | I'm suprised they never thought of the que one though. everyone on my server does it. we have like 80vs80 in Av :/ |
| 01:14.11 | Shouryuu | haha |
| 01:14.51 | Guillotine | they just need to make AV an instance in the fact that you shouldn't be able to summon people into it with a warlock |
| 01:16.06 | cladhaire | lol |
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| 01:25.19 | Guillotine | is Wobster supposed to be a funny way of saying 'Lobster' or 'Mobster'? |
| 01:25.45 | Wobster | Magnet made of metal. Wobster made of meat |
| 01:26.04 | Wobster | No, it's a last ditch name sounding somewhat based off Wobin |
| 01:26.38 | Guillotine | ahhh |
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| 01:38.48 | Shouryuu | lol anyone seen a wand called Malri's touch? |
| 01:50.26 | Wobin_ | hehe looks pretty cool |
| 01:54.46 | Shouryuu | it rater looks like it's giving you the finger |
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| 02:23.01 | Guillotine | rofl shouryuu |
| 02:23.09 | Guillotine | it really does |
| 02:23.35 | Guillotine | I'd bet we could start a 200 page threat about changing WoW's ESRB rating to M because of that item |
| 02:23.40 | Guillotine | thread* |
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| 03:12.29 | Shouryuu | lol that really sounds like plan |
| 03:12.34 | Legorol | one person complaining about a weird bug where a standard for i=1,N loop seems to execute the loop twice for each value of i: |
| 03:12.35 | Legorol | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=321360&p=1&tmp=1#post321360 |
| 03:12.43 | Legorol | I am completely stumped, it looks impossible |
| 03:15.12 | Shouryuu | yeah that looks weird |
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| 03:31.59 | Wobin_ | Although |
| 03:32.11 | Wobin_ | I'm wondering why he's trying to see if the class equals the name of the character.. |
| 03:32.21 | Wobin_ | fDKP_PlayerName == string.lower (class) |
| 03:32.22 | Wobin_ | ? |
| 03:38.17 | Shouryuu | still that shouldn't f*** up his debugging? |
| 03:41.12 | Wobin_ | true |
| 03:41.20 | Wobin_ | I expect the error to be outside of the shown code then |
| 03:41.34 | Shouryuu | yeah probably |
| 03:44.31 | Legorol | even if it's outside the code, this loop should iterate in sequence.. |
| 03:44.43 | Legorol | it looks like there is multithreading going on, but the Lua engine is singlethreaded |
| 03:45.02 | Legorol | even if the function this loop calls say reenters the same codesegment, you should just get one loop inside the other |
| 03:45.04 | Legorol | weird.. |
| 03:45.17 | Tem | Lua CAN be multi-threaded |
| 03:45.22 | Tem | but wow's lua is not |
| 03:45.31 | Legorol | that's what i meant, sorry |
| 03:45.38 | Legorol | thanks for correction |
| 03:45.42 | Tem | actually |
| 03:45.45 | Tem | wait |
| 03:45.46 | Legorol | i meant the Lua engine in wow |
| 03:45.51 | Legorol | it's single-threaded but re-entrant |
| 03:45.59 | Tem | it may not have actual multi-threading |
| 03:46.08 | Tem | I think it just has co-routines |
| 03:46.15 | Legorol | wow's Lua doesn't have coroutines |
| 03:46.17 | Tem | which is kind of ghetto multi-threading |
| 03:46.23 | Legorol | yah |
| 03:46.29 | Legorol | but Lua could be multithreaded |
| 03:46.32 | Tem | right, wow's lua is completly single threaded |
| 03:46.40 | Legorol | because you can have multiple Lua engines running in parallel over the same code |
| 03:46.44 | Legorol | sharing say a global namespace |
| 03:46.49 | Legorol | but that's implementation dependent |
| 03:47.28 | Legorol | and yes, co-routines are like Windows 3.0's cooperative multitasking |
| 03:47.30 | cladhaire | Tem: no multi-threading |
| 03:47.32 | cladhaire | just co-routines |
| 03:47.39 | cladhaire | single threaded VM with ghetto threads =) |
| 03:47.50 | Legorol | hehe |
| 03:48.05 | Legorol | cladhaire, this is what we are puzzling over: |
| 03:48.06 | Legorol | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=321360&p=1&tmp=1#post321360 |
| 03:48.15 | cladhaire | yeah iyeah i saw that |
| 03:48.22 | cladhaire | the initial assessments are correct |
| 03:48.24 | Legorol | i have actually been purposefully trying to create a piece of Lua that will give the result he is getting |
| 03:48.28 | Legorol | and i haven't managed yet |
| 03:48.35 | cladhaire | a.) he messes with the internals of the loop, since he doesn't explicitly create an iterator |
| 03:48.37 | cladhaire | (Should be using pairs() |
| 03:48.39 | cladhaire | or ipairs() |
| 03:48.44 | cladhaire | or.. he screwed up elsewhere =) |
| 03:48.53 | cladhaire | that code cannot and will not fail if the table has integrity |
| 03:48.56 | Legorol | pairs, why? he is not iterating a table |
| 03:49.11 | cladhaire | wait |
| 03:49.14 | Legorol | he has a simple integer for loop |
| 03:49.26 | Tem | anyonw use KC_Items? |
| 03:49.34 | cladhaire | you're right |
| 03:49.37 | Tem | s/onw/one/ |
| 03:49.45 | cladhaire | haha i was reading something else someone send me tonight |
| 03:49.50 | cladhaire | tem: on my druid |
| 03:49.59 | Tem | I'm messing around with the auction module and I'm wondering what the coloring of items in there means |
| 03:50.10 | cladhaire | i dunno tbh |
| 03:50.34 | Cairenn | whether they are a good deal, vendor bait, etc |
| 03:51.47 | Tem | right, I'm just trying to figure out which colors are which |
| 03:52.05 | Cairenn | yeah, I know, I've been yelling at him that he needs to get stuff posted :p |
| 03:52.40 | Tem | heh |
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| 04:09.23 | Wobin_ | oh. |
| 04:09.24 | Wobin_ | I know why |
| 04:09.35 | Wobin_ | He's re--whatsisting |
| 04:09.39 | Wobin_ | oh damnit =( |
| 04:09.46 | Wobin_ | My vocabulary has gone down the drain =P |
| 04:10.11 | Wobin_ | He's recursing =) |
| 04:11.33 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 04:16.13 | Wobin_ | Not that that solves his problem, mind you =) |
| 04:16.21 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 04:16.24 | Wobin_ | But I don't understand the logic behind the coding anyway =P |
| 04:17.32 | Wobin_ | if (fDKP_PlayerName == string.lower (class)) then fDKP_PlayersInClass[name] = fDKP_PointsLookup (name); end |
| 04:17.44 | Wobin_ | So now he's recalling the function with... the class name? |
| 04:18.51 | Shouryuu | I didn't even try understanding |
| 04:18.55 | Shouryuu | I'm in DM, just meg to code |
| 04:19.09 | Wobin_ | Oh well, I solved the double iteration =P |
| 04:19.18 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 04:20.44 | Shouryuu | apparently uou didn't :( |
| 04:21.33 | Shouryuu | s/uou/you |
| 04:21.49 | Wobin_ | oh I see |
| 04:21.49 | Shouryuu | ok taht failed |
| 04:22.01 | Wobin_ | He uses name twice |
| 04:22.09 | Cairenn | Shouryuu: you forgot the / at the end |
| 04:22.11 | Wobin_ | how confusing |
| 04:22.28 | Shouryuu | indeed |
| 04:22.44 | ckknight | example: nubcake |
| 04:22.44 | Shouryuu | s/indeed/i r gud with bot/ |
| 04:22.50 | ckknight | s/nubcake/gentleman/ |
| 04:22.54 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 04:23.04 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 04:27.13 | Tain | Tem/Cairenn/Anyone who's used KC_Items and auction, do you remember if Kael has ever said that he is going to add in an "equivelent" of auctioneer's bidbroker command? |
| 04:27.26 | Cairenn | it's already there |
| 04:28.05 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:28.17 | Tain | Oh. I guess I didn't see anything like it. |
| 04:28.26 | Cairenn | I don't recall what it is off the top of my head, list 'em for me if you are in |
| 04:28.36 | Cairenn | I'll know it when you list it |
| 04:28.41 | Tain | heh |
| 04:30.26 | Cairenn | list 'em, I'll be remember when I see it :p |
| 04:31.24 | Tain | Making sure I actually ahve the lateest version first. |
| 04:32.24 | Cairenn | having a listing of the commands somewhere besides in game is something else I've been bitching at him about :p |
| 04:32.47 | Cairenn | he's got the next version almost to the point for me to beta test it for him (fyi) |
| 04:33.00 | Shouryuu | shuoldn't there be a ) a the end of this line? |
| 04:33.01 | Shouryuu | table.foreach (fDKP_Data["classes"], function (index, class) if (fDKP_PlayerName == class) then fDKP_NameIsClass = true; |
| 04:33.26 | Wobin_ | there is... |
| 04:33.40 | Wobin_ | you forgot end end) |
| 04:33.59 | Tain | kci - standby, report, core, prune, auction, broker, bank, inventory, linknet, linkview, sellvalue, tooltip |
| 04:34.05 | Wobin_ | broker? |
| 04:34.19 | Cairenn | okay - /kcitems broker, to get the list of commands, gimme 'em |
| 04:34.32 | Tain | Yo'd think it would be broker. |
| 04:34.39 | Cairenn | it is |
| 04:34.40 | Tain | broker - toggle, autofill, setcut |
| 04:35.10 | Tain | setcut just changes your autofill amounts. |
| 04:35.34 | Cairenn | you want it on, you want autofill turned on, and you want to use /setcut to set your pricing ... .95 = 95% of going rate, 1.10 = 110% of going rate |
| 04:35.46 | Cairenn | as examples :p |
| 04:36.13 | Cairenn | now, if you are meaning something else, me no know |
| 04:36.23 | Tain | Yeah, something else. |
| 04:36.31 | Cairenn | then I dunno |
| 04:36.38 | Cairenn | I haven't used auctioneer in forever |
| 04:36.43 | Tain | Auctioneer's bidbroker which gives you a report on current "good deals" in the AH after you scan. |
| 04:37.04 | Cairenn | that's what the colour coding does |
| 04:37.32 | Cairenn | but again, he hasn't got it (what the colours mean) listed anywhere |
| 04:37.43 | Tain | When you're viewing auctions in the window, yes. But the reason so many people use (abuse?) bidbroker is becaues you don't have to even know what you're looking for. |
| 04:38.04 | Tain | You just tell it to give youa report of every single item that is currently selling for less than its average price. |
| 04:38.09 | Tain | so you can try to make money. |
| 04:39.01 | Cairenn | ah, okay, gotcha ... not sure if that's coming in the next version, more than likely it is, but /feature request it on his portal :p |
| 04:40.14 | Tain | I know. I was really just trying to answer a question for someone else. I didn't know if he had added it yet, I know it's been requested, but I also didn't remember if he even said he wanted to add it. |
| 04:40.40 | MentalPower | Why don't you just use Auctioneer? |
| 04:43.35 | Tain | For a number of reasons that are irrelevant to this. I was asking to answer a specific question by someone else. |
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| 04:44.55 | MentalPower | And that's perfectly ok, I just wanted to know if there was something that could be improved in Auctioneer |
| 04:45.37 | Cairenn | I like both |
| 04:46.17 | Cairenn | each has their strong points and their weaknesses |
| 04:46.33 | Wobin_ | Incidentally, could you list them? |
| 04:46.34 | Tain | The one thing I would like to see improved in auctioneer is the savevars size. |
| 04:46.57 | Cairenn | I started using KCI because it was (and still is) a replacement for BOTH Auctioneer and LootLink |
| 04:46.59 | Tain | For me that's the biggest thing. |
| 04:47.02 | Wobin_ | I don't really want to run them side by side, as scanning already takes too long =) |
| 04:47.04 | Wobin_ | Aha |
| 04:47.22 | Cairenn | at the time, it was smaller than either of the other two on their own |
| 04:47.41 | Tain | Me too Caireen, and I kept using KCI because Kaelten is such a righteous dude. |
| 04:47.59 | Cairenn | I don't know how much tighter they have both become since, though |
| 04:48.48 | Cairenn | but when I could have one mod do the work of two, and not use the resources of even one ... |
| 04:48.57 | Cairenn | that's what had me switch |
| 04:49.10 | Wobin_ | . o O (And then I cast FROSTSHOOOOCKKK( |
| 04:49.12 | Wobin_ | ) |
| 04:49.35 | Cairenn | I've no doubt both Telo and Norgs have tightened they up a lot |
| 04:49.51 | Cairenn | but I also almost never play any more, so it's meh for me |
| 04:50.02 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 04:50.10 | Cairenn | them* |
| 04:50.15 | MentalPower | We don't rely on Lootlink anymore, and we've significantly reduced our SV footprint in the current 3.2 version |
| 04:50.55 | Cairenn | speaking of norgs, how come he's never in channel any more? how can I pick on him if he never comes in channel :p |
| 04:51.34 | MentalPower | lol, hes been "busy" getting to the game's endgame instances and such |
| 04:51.40 | MentalPower | he's become quite a raider |
| 04:51.41 | Cairenn | heh |
| 04:51.48 | Cairenn | good for him :) |
| 04:52.01 | Cairenn | glad he's having fun, that's what it's all about (or should be) |
| 04:52.18 | MentalPower | indeed |
| 04:52.40 | Cairenn | so I'll just keep picking on you instead, MentalPower ;) |
| 04:52.45 | MentalPower | :) |
| 04:53.03 | Tain | I have lots of legacy data from auctioneer. I think I should wipe it and start over fresh with both auctioneer and kci and see how they ramp up scnning the same stuff starting from ground zero. |
| 04:53.25 | Cairenn | Tain: would be a good test |
| 04:53.33 | MentalPower | I'd be very interested in the results |
| 04:54.12 | Tain | me too. |
| 04:54.34 | Tain | There's a good dhance of me falling sleep before the result tonight, whowever. |
| 04:55.00 | Cairenn | sleep is a good thing |
| 04:56.49 | MentalPower | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:57.32 | Tain | I went and took one of my sleep aids that I really haven't needed in a long while. |
| 04:58.01 | Wobin_ | but also, scanning the AH with both KCI and Auctioneer would take over 40 minutes on my server =P |
| 04:58.21 | Wobin_ | At least on the alliance side |
| 04:59.28 | MentalPower | it shoudn't be too hard to make an addon that would allow you to scan once and have both AddOns feed from that single scan |
| 04:59.39 | Maldivia | hmm... |
| 04:59.59 | Wobin_ | I've thought about that |
| 05:00.19 | Tain | That's what Auctioneer did with Lootlink for a while, |
| 05:00.20 | Wobin_ | Although it's more been from the viewpoint of 'borrowing' from Auctioneer's scanning |
| 05:00.39 | Tain | But it still means you have two complete sets of info that way. |
| 05:01.00 | MentalPower | but it would make comparing the two easier |
| 05:01.52 | Wobin_ | But still not more than a 'singleuse' sort of addon |
| 05:02.21 | Wobin_ | PS 24 slot herb/enchant bags. Sounds good to me |
| 05:02.47 | Wobin_ | well, running both KCI and Auctioneer wouldn't really be an efficient use of resources |
| 05:03.11 | Wobin_ | You'd only run your splitter once, to see which one was 'better' or something |
| 05:03.53 | MentalPower | unless you were doing an "effectiveness" test like Tain was thinking about |
| 05:04.01 | Wobin_ | (and by once I mean long enough to figure out which was better) |
| 05:04.18 | MentalPower | right |
| 05:04.19 | Cairenn | again though, "better" is a relative thing ... which one gives you what you want? which one do you like |
| 05:04.27 | Wobin_ | Absolutely |
| 05:04.27 | MentalPower | true |
| 05:05.30 | MentalPower | I'm kinda biased (being an Aucitoneer dev and all) so I can't honestly make an accurate comparison |
| 05:05.39 | MentalPower | :) |
| 05:06.13 | Wobin_ | Hehe |
| 05:06.20 | Wobin_ | What I'd like is a way to make the scanning faster =P |
| 05:06.25 | Wobin_ | But that's not really possible =) |
| 05:06.33 | Cairenn | as some others here are biased towards KCI |
| 05:06.48 | Cairenn | and there's nothing wrong with that, either |
| 05:07.19 | MentalPower | we have a blizzard-imposed wall of 10 auctions/sec (or 50 auctions every 5secs, depending on your point of view) |
| 05:07.26 | Wobin_ | At the moment I'm more biased towards Auctioneer, but only cause I've been using it longer |
| 05:07.34 | Wobin_ | Yeah =( |
| 05:08.01 | MentalPower | and a crappy system that returns invalid auctions when under pressure |
| 05:08.45 | MentalPower | which means that every tuesday, I have to answer about 10 posts about auctioneer slowing down |
| 05:09.00 | Cairenn | only 10? |
| 05:09.16 | Wobin_ | page |
| 05:09.32 | MentalPower | :) |
| 05:10.02 | MentalPower | anyways, I gotta get up early(er) tommorow, so goodnight ladies and gents |
| 05:10.16 | Cairenn | some days, don't you just want to round up all the "end users" and ... ignore them? |
| 05:10.28 | Cairenn | night MentalPower :) sweet dreams |
| 05:10.35 | Tain | I just want to know how big the save vars are starting from zeo on both, and scanning the same AH. |
| 05:11.16 | Tain | Note: I'm not intending to do this so that I can say one is bgger and that means it's worse. |
| 05:11.40 | Tain | It's just a simple experiment that can hpefully lead to others. |
| 05:12.36 | MentalPower | well I can tell you from the get-go that with Auctioneer you only need to scan twice (with 24hours in between) to get an accurate idea as to the final size of the SV file. Our memory use is pretty stable after that. |
| 05:12.37 | Wobin_ | Cairenn: There aren't enough 'ignore' slots =) |
| 05:13.07 | MentalPower | anyways, for real now, goodnight |
| 05:13.15 | Cairenn | night :) |
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| 05:27.29 | Cairenn | hey slouken :) |
| 05:27.32 | Tain | s-dawg in the house |
| 05:27.35 | slouken | heya. :) |
| 05:27.46 | Cairenn | heh, you've no idea, he really is a dawg :p |
| 05:27.57 | Wobin_ | 'lo Slou |
| 05:28.06 | slouken | Cair, you misspelled it - it's "dog" |
| 05:28.37 | Cairenn | no, no it really isn't, not when applied to you :p |
| 05:28.40 | Wobin_ | on the internet, nobody knows you're a dog =) |
| 05:28.44 | Tain | I actually wanted to ask slouken some quetions and opionions on dealing with online communities as a whole. Not wow related. |
| 05:28.44 | slouken | lol |
| 05:29.37 | Cairenn | Tain: they suck, I suggest avoiding them |
| 05:29.38 | Tain | Or more get some advice to pass along (if any) to a frienf who's interviewing with Turbine riht now do be acommunity person for D&D Online |
| 05:30.24 | Tain | The's just one of those crazy people who want to be *in* the gaem indsustry. :) |
| 05:30.47 | Cairenn | oh, you're being like serious and stuff, oh, okay |
| 05:30.48 | slouken | Actually, Cair's probably a better person to ask. I'm more of a developer kind of guy |
| 05:31.26 | Tain | I emparted my own words of wisdom to her. |
| 05:31.28 | Cairenn | that's an amusing idea Slouken |
| 05:32.06 | slouken | what idea, Cairenn? |
| 05:32.06 | Tain | I actaully was going to ask Cairenn as well. :) It just came to mind when you popped up since he'd be working from "that side" and we're all on "this side" ;) |
| 05:32.23 | Cairenn | that I'd be a good person to ask :p |
| 05:33.04 | Tain | I had to try to cheer her up first though, she was already feeling down about it and I'm pretty sure for no reason. |
| 05:33.40 | Maldivia | *yawn* |
| 05:33.45 | Cairenn | okay, first suggestion to her, right there ... grow a *much* thicker skin, or it's going to absolutely, completely and utterly destroy her |
| 05:34.28 | Tain | The way I go into new job I look at it like this. I might not be the absolute best candidte they'll ever get, but given that I'm goin to be working people who could pass for second from the left on the evolutionary chart, I think I have a leg up. |
| 05:34.35 | Cairenn | Tain: think about the shit and abuse that the CMs put up with in the General forum (or hell, any forum other than the UI forum) |
| 05:35.14 | Tain | Oh I know Cairenn, he's actually got experience with that with Asheron's Call, and another one that I just can't remember now. |
| 05:35.26 | futrtrubl | anyone else having problems with ui.wow? |
| 05:35.46 | Cairenn | problems how so? |
| 05:36.04 | Tain | It kicked my shin and ran around the corner and laughed |
| 05:36.07 | Maldivia | loading fine here - a bit slow perhaps |
| 05:36.30 | futrtrubl | hmm, my connection always gets "reset" |
| 05:37.04 | futrtrubl | well, membersuiu.wow is fine so all is good |
| 05:46.28 | Shouryuu | w00t got my mindsurge robes |
| 05:46.52 | Shouryuu | really need to get working on those mindtaps though :( |
| 05:48.15 | Shouryuu | but the drop rate on those really suck =( |
| 05:52.13 | Cairenn | well guys |
| 05:52.23 | Cairenn | think it's pretty much time this chickie calls it a night |
| 05:54.07 | Shouryuu | awww |
| 05:54.22 | Shouryuu | nighty |
| 05:55.39 | Cairenn|sleep | more than likely Shouryuu, indeed ... too cold to sleep without one these days |
| 05:59.42 | Shouryuu | I ment nighty as good night, buuuttt :P |
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| 06:56.07 | Tem | Any idea what event fires when you ressurect? |
| 06:56.22 | Shouryuu | how does math.mod work already? math.mod(a,2) returns what is left of the division of a by 2? or is it the other way around? |
| 06:56.41 | Tem | remainder of devision |
| 06:56.54 | Tem | math.mod(10,3) returns the remainder of the devision 10/3 |
| 06:56.56 | Tem | so 1 |
| 06:57.01 | Shouryuu | ok cool thanks |
| 06:57.30 | Tem | so, what event fires when you ressurect? |
| 06:58.55 | Shouryuu | that I have no idea |
| 07:00.03 | Shouryuu | if you haven't found on the wiki I can't do nothing for you =( |
| 07:14.08 | Shouryuu | PLAYER_UNGHOST i think tem |
| 07:14.23 | Shouryuu | aye that's it |
| 07:15.22 | Shouryuu | well that's when you rez normaly |
| 07:15.50 | Shouryuu | PLAYER_ALIVE is the other type of rezing |
| 07:19.29 | Cairenn|sleep | well knock me over with a feather! we've got well over 2 mil downloads! *boggle* |
| 07:19.55 | Cairenn|sleep | (can you tell I really care about "numbers"? obviously I check on a regular basis ... not) |
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| 07:21.31 | Shouryuu | we'll have to remind you tomorow you talk in your sleep |
| 07:21.40 | Cairenn|sleep | yeah yeah :p |
| 07:21.59 | Cairenn|sleep | Dolby laughed at me though :( |
| 07:22.02 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 07:22.55 | Cairenn|sleep | well, I had been looking for something else, saw that number and IM'd him going "when the hell did that happen? I know I haven't looked in a while, but ..." |
| 07:23.07 | Cairenn|sleep | he laughed at me |
| 07:23.16 | Shouryuu | well 2million downloads is an achievement :p |
| 07:23.24 | Cairenn|sleep | I was hurt |
| 07:23.26 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 07:23.32 | Cairenn|sleep | meh, it's a number :p |
| 07:23.44 | Shouryuu | yeah I guess |
| 07:23.53 | Cairenn|sleep | I just ... the last time I looked, we hadn't hit 1 mil ... so it kinda boggled me |
| 07:24.53 | Cairenn|sleep | I guess that explains why I'll never be "a success" ... I don't keep track of things like that, they aren't important to me |
| 07:25.22 | Tem | Shouryuu: yeah it's PLaYER_UNGHOST |
| 07:25.23 | Tem | thanks |
| 07:25.26 | Shouryuu | meh don't think like that |
| 07:25.36 | Shouryuu | np :p |
| 07:25.59 | Shouryuu | you're right to think that numbers can't quantify how good a person is :p |
| 07:27.29 | zespri|log | In whar order VARIABLES_LOADED fired for addons? if there are addon A and addon B is it 1) addon A loaded 2) v_l for A fired 3) addon B loaded 4) v_l for addon B fired, or is it another order? |
| 07:30.47 | Tem | it will fire after all of them are donw |
| 07:30.49 | Tem | done* |
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| 08:10.38 | zespri|log | thank you tem |
| 08:37.15 | Shouryuu | rawr out |
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| 10:11.51 | id` | Any drops for squishies in the stockades? |
| 10:11.56 | id` | allkhazam knows nothing |
| 10:11.58 | id` | thottbot neither |
| 10:17.08 | id` | ah got it |
| 10:17.10 | id` | no items :9 |
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| 10:32.53 | Elkano | Good (whatever) :) |
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| 11:41.52 | namxo | what's the size parametes in <size> tags to have a frame on the full screen ? |
| 12:13.39 | Elkano | hmm, I would rather anchor it to TOPLEFT and BOTTOMRIGHT |
| 12:13.59 | Elkano | that would make it fullscreen regardless of scaling |
| 12:14.43 | zeeg | Fact of the day |
| 12:14.43 | zeeg | Giving head massages the jaw....while burning 32 calories. |
| 12:14.44 | zeeg | lol |
| 12:15.00 | zeeg | anyone tried the auto assault beta yet |
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| 12:20.51 | Kalroth | hej Cide |
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| 12:22.23 | Cide | hi there |
| 12:24.00 | [MoonWolf] | hiya |
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| 13:09.38 | sarf|WoW | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:13.40 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 13:13.50 | Kalroth | moo@you |
| 13:14.34 | AnduinLothar | Getting payed to write mods now :) |
| 13:14.54 | AnduinLothar | in house QA mods |
| 13:15.44 | AnduinLothar | think the Nurfed guy works QA too, but i havne't met him |
| 13:20.35 | Kalroth | :D |
| 13:23.00 | zeeg | ya the Nurfed GM |
| 13:23.03 | zeeg | or ex gm, idk what it is |
| 13:23.06 | zeeg | i believe |
| 13:23.16 | zeeg | what's a QA mod? |
| 13:23.23 | wereHamster | what kind of mods? automated testing? |
| 13:24.11 | AnduinLothar | Someone's working on an automated testing bot but atm it's mostly automated quick cheats to make raid preperation and bug testing simpler |
| 13:25.22 | AnduinLothar | Like My recent contribution was a right-click dropdown menu on item links for spawning single or multiple copes of that item with an estimated countdown timer for large spawns. |
| 13:26.04 | AnduinLothar | So like if you need to test darkmoon ticket quests or need 10 major hp pots for a raid |
| 13:27.18 | wereHamster | AnduinLothar, whats the function you use to copy items? maybe it's in the release version, too :) |
| 13:28.45 | AnduinLothar | it's not |
| 13:28.58 | AnduinLothar | not a function anyway |
| 13:29.26 | AnduinLothar | it's from console which interfaces directly with the server. you have to have the cheats enabled remotely for your account. |
| 13:30.24 | krka|work | hm... i just had a crazy idea, but i can't say it in here now that AnduinLothar is here and one of the Bad Guys(tm) |
| 13:30.29 | krka|work | :P |
| 13:30.34 | zeeg | AnduinLothar, will you go enable cheats for me |
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| 13:32.05 | AnduinLothar | i can't |
| 13:32.20 | zeeg | fine, i see how it is |
| 13:32.22 | zeeg | </3 |
| 13:33.02 | AnduinLothar | oo, i get to use the Friends and Family pricing plan for my retail wow.. |
| 13:33.14 | AnduinLothar | not that I will have tiem to play |
| 13:33.25 | Wobin_ | hehe what sort of discount do you get for that? |
| 13:33.38 | [MoonWolf] | it better be full. |
| 13:33.38 | AnduinLothar | $10/month |
| 13:33.45 | [MoonWolf] | close enough |
| 13:34.04 | AnduinLothar | but I can play the test client at work... |
| 13:34.09 | zeeg | WoWGuru's Volunteer discount is better ;) |
| 13:34.21 | zeeg | although no one actually uses it |
| 13:34.21 | AnduinLothar | w/e |
| 13:34.38 | AnduinLothar | i get a murky :) |
| 13:35.04 | [MoonWolf] | damn you |
| 13:35.12 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 13:35.13 | AnduinLothar | i love the murky sounds.. i just sit there and click him for hours |
| 13:35.24 | zeeg | :o |
| 13:35.27 | Wobin_ | one of the few jobs that you get paid and are able to play =) |
| 13:35.29 | zeeg | thats not something you should admit to |
| 13:35.29 | zeeg | :P |
| 13:35.32 | Wobin_ | (unless you're a CFG) |
| 13:35.41 | Wobin_ | s/CFG/CGF/ |
| 13:36.13 | Wobin_ | Roglrrlrlrrrrlrlrlrlrlrlrglelrlrlr |
| 13:36.31 | Wobin_ | Who actually did the voice for the murlocs? =) |
| 13:36.32 | AnduinLothar | oh ok... I get 3 free accounts and then I can change 3 other accounts to Friends and Family. that makes more sense |
| 13:36.37 | Wobin_ | I bet they'd be a hit at parties =P |
| 13:37.35 | AnduinLothar | lil better than yourss zeeg :P |
| 13:38.05 | zeeg | :o |
| 13:38.13 | zeeg | get accounts for dif places! |
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| 13:39.30 | zeeg | AnduinLothar, i would give you free humpings if you had a zh, tw, and eu account :) |
| 13:39.37 | wereHamster | good morning Beladona |
| 13:39.48 | Beladona | morning |
| 13:39.54 | Wobin_ | Would he have to pay for them, otherwise? the humping, that is... |
| 13:39.57 | zeeg | convince blizzard to love me and hook me up w/ DBCs for each patch |
| 13:40.05 | AnduinLothar | lol "A 300 Month pre-paid game card has been successfully added to your account!" |
| 13:40.22 | zeeg | lol |
| 13:40.31 | zeeg | AnduinLothar, do you actually make any worthwhile money working for them tho :P |
| 13:40.34 | Wobin_ | hehe no "unlimited" option, eh? |
| 13:40.35 | zeeg | or do they just buy you off w/ game shit |
| 13:40.48 | zeeg | go sell the game card ;) |
| 13:41.34 | AnduinLothar | it's not very good money at the lowest rung, but I hear it's where most everyone started. And it's better than the min wage I was getting at albertsons |
| 13:42.03 | Wobin_ | And it's a job you enjoy =) |
| 13:42.13 | Wobin_ | (or at least I'm assuming so =P) |
| 13:42.25 | AnduinLothar | I'm not working for the money. I need money of course, but that's not why I've been applying at blizz for a year. |
| 13:42.46 | Wobin_ | Job satisfaction is always a higher priority than pay for me... |
| 13:43.08 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 13:44.38 | krka|work | 300 months... like WoW will even survive half of that |
| 13:45.18 | Wobin_ | UniverseOfWarcraft P |
| 13:45.23 | AnduinLothar | well I've already payed 14x$14.99 not liek they don't have enough of my money already... I'm just earning it back now in record time |
| 13:45.58 | [MoonWolf] | hehe |
| 13:46.06 | [MoonWolf] | that is also a way of looking at it. |
| 13:47.13 | AnduinLothar | MobileFrames now works on 1.10 |
| 13:47.42 | AnduinLothar | they changed the bag system... it's sexy |
| 13:47.52 | AnduinLothar | ok, maybe not secy |
| 13:47.58 | AnduinLothar | w/e |
| 13:48.00 | zeeg | wow will survive for at least 60 more months |
| 13:48.03 | zeeg | probably a good 100+ |
| 13:48.32 | zeeg | i pay for wow, to post on forums, which im banned from.. so now I pay for wow to download patches |
| 13:48.33 | zeeg | lol |
| 13:48.40 | zeeg | jerks :( |
| 13:48.48 | zeeg | btw |
| 13:48.51 | zeeg | EMPIRE AT WAR IS OUT :D |
| 13:51.37 | wereHamster | With the 1.10 patch two new craftable bag types will be available specifically for holding items related to either herbalism or enchanting.... what about mining or tailoring or cooking of fishing? |
| 13:51.45 | Wobin_ | Or engineering =( |
| 13:52.01 | wereHamster | or.. blacksmithing ? |
| 13:52.22 | AnduinLothar | whine whine whine |
| 13:52.41 | Wobin_ | hehe, what else would we do? We're -users-! |
| 13:53.27 | krka|work | 5 years maybe... 10 years? no |
| 13:53.35 | wereHamster | why do they deserve new bags? herbs can stack, items used for enchanting can stack so whats the reason? |
| 13:53.55 | Wobin_ | 24 slot bags, though |
| 13:53.59 | Wobin_ | 24! |
| 13:54.05 | Wobin_ | That's a whole lot of slot |
| 13:54.29 | [MoonWolf] | I have a feeling blizzard will be pusing specific types of bags out later |
| 13:54.29 | zeeg | good for banks |
| 13:54.40 | [MoonWolf] | puzzled togheter from comments on shard bags |
| 13:54.52 | [MoonWolf] | they have been working on bags for all kinds of things |
| 13:55.00 | [MoonWolf] | instead of simply the shard bags |
| 13:55.12 | [MoonWolf] | but the shard bags were the first of these new bags we saw |
| 13:56.48 | Wobin_ | I want to be able to buy a bucket of Kalimdor Fried Quail for my pet cat |
| 13:57.43 | [MoonWolf] | why cant you ? |
| 13:58.41 | zeeg | this will probably make Cairenn|sleep mad linking this here, but its related to UI peoples sooo http://www.wowguru.com/forums/showthread.php?p=64804#post64804 :) |
| 14:00.00 | AnduinLothar | zzz |
| 14:23.42 | Kalroth | ZzzZZZZz |
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| 15:12.59 | Legorol^ | wow, 1.10 is bringing 24-slot bags for storing herbs and enchanting materials |
| 15:13.08 | Legorol^ | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-general&T=7135573&P=2 |
| 15:13.21 | id` | :o |
| 15:13.28 | id` | nice |
| 15:32.30 | krka|work | not really that useful... i am herbalist but i don't carry more than 3-4 different herbs at a time |
| 15:42.38 | zeeg | Ok guys |
| 15:42.44 | zeeg | I want to make a public repository for DBCs for each page |
| 15:42.58 | zeeg | anyone know of software that could do this already? so we'd just add the patch and itd allow certain users to upload files or w/e? |
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| 16:06.35 | MentalPower | SVN? |
| 16:06.58 | Wobin_ | SubVersion |
| 16:07.30 | krka|work | DBC? |
| 16:07.34 | MentalPower | zeegOk guys |
| 16:07.36 | MentalPower | I want to make a public repository for DBCs for each page |
| 16:07.37 | MentalPower | anyone know of software that could do this already? so we'd just add the patch and itd allow certain users to upload files or w/e? |
| 16:07.40 | Wobin_ | ~define dbc |
| 16:07.51 | MentalPower | just before you logged-in |
| 16:07.55 | Wobin_ | meh, I've forgotten perl's syntax |
| 16:08.02 | krka|work | database cookie or something? |
| 16:08.08 | Tain | ~wtf dbc |
| 16:08.15 | Wobin_ | er purl's syntax =) Ta Tain =) |
| 16:08.19 | Tain | ~botsnack |
| 16:08.19 | purl | aw, gee, Tain |
| 16:08.20 | zeeg | DBClientFiles |
| 16:08.23 | krka|work | i have purl on ignore... what is it? |
| 16:08.25 | zeeg | its the clientside database files for WoW |
| 16:08.41 | zeeg | look in dbc.mpq, or patch.mpq |
| 16:08.55 | zeeg | they hold data like spell information, and various other tables that link to other things |
| 16:09.27 | Wobin_ | Sigh. |
| 16:09.29 | Tain | There's lots of people I can see putting on ignore, and with good reason. Really good reason. I mean, overwhelmingly, crushingly, indisputible good reason. |
| 16:09.31 | Tain | But why purl? |
| 16:09.36 | Wobin_ | I wish Wikipedia wasn't blocked out here =( |
| 16:09.48 | Wobin_ | purl is cute =) |
| 16:09.49 | zeeg | Tain, do you ever shut up |
| 16:09.52 | Wobin_ | ~botsnack |
| 16:09.52 | purl | :), Wobin_ |
| 16:09.57 | krka|work | people abuse purl |
| 16:10.04 | zeeg | krka|work, thats why i ignored it too |
| 16:10.27 | krka|work | i don't care about 99% of what purl says |
| 16:11.47 | Tain | You may have seen the results of people going way overboard having fun, but purl does have very useful tools that people do use as well. |
| 16:11.59 | krka|work | agreed. but that is extremely rare |
| 16:12.17 | Tain | As with everything else, the right tool for the job. :) |
| 16:12.32 | Tain | And if you've had purl on ignore then how would you know how rare. :P |
| 16:12.48 | krka|work | would be better if purl would not perform all the useless things |
| 16:12.57 | zeeg | /sign |
| 16:13.03 | MentalPower | Wobin_: where do you live/work that wikipedia is blocked? |
| 16:13.10 | krka|work | i didn't always have purl on ignore you know |
| 16:13.19 | krka|work | purls emulate for instance, is pretty useless |
| 16:13.26 | Tain | "Useless" things to one person doesn't mean the rest doesn't exisit. |
| 16:14.01 | Wobin_ | MentalPower: China =) |
| 16:14.04 | Tain | Lots find the emulate stuff entertaining. So there is still a use. |
| 16:14.32 | MentalPower | interesting... |
| 16:14.50 | Wobin_ | More irritating tbh =) |
| 16:15.00 | zeeg | interestingly annoying |
| 16:15.05 | Wobin_ | Geocities is cut off too |
| 16:15.07 | krka|work | yes, never said it wasn't useless to all people. but to me it's just spam, so i ignore it |
| 16:15.08 | Wobin_ | along with some other stuff |
| 16:15.20 | zeeg | ive actually never seen purl useful |
| 16:15.47 | zeeg | http://digg.com/gaming/World_of_Warcraft_Mage_Grinding_Guide |
| 16:15.48 | krka|work | if purl would just whisper the response to the person who asked for emulate, that'd be nice |
| 16:15.56 | Tain | Thankfully everyone gets, and is encouraged, to have their own opinions. So it's a great happy world when we can all say, "I've never actually seen <person> useful." |
| 16:16.07 | Tain | You can, krka. People don't. |
| 16:16.07 | wereHamster | what is this 'emulate' anyway ? |
| 16:16.16 | Wobin_ | ~emulate Tain |
| 16:16.17 | purl | Changing someone's factinfo they set for themselves is pretty rude, asshole. |
| 16:16.23 | zeeg | Tain, what is your problem, /ignore zeeg |
| 16:16.26 | Tain | That's why I say you're better off ignoring the person abusing a tool. |
| 16:16.27 | zeeg | and stop trying to piss me off |
| 16:16.30 | Tain | Than the tool itself. |
| 16:16.44 | krka|work | but almost everyone abuses purl |
| 16:16.51 | krka|work | and i dont want to ignore everyone |
| 16:17.03 | krka|work | second option is to ignore purl |
| 16:17.31 | krka|work | if i figure out how, i'll add a line that ignores everything that starts with ~ |
| 16:17.37 | Tain | I do understand why you'd do it, krka. I know there are just other things that I personally use purl for that I find very useful. |
| 16:17.59 | Tain | That's all, despite what people do wiht purl I'm glad it's around for other things. |
| 16:19.29 | krka|work | anyone good with xchat and knows how to write filters? |
| 16:19.54 | wereHamster | I haven't seen people use purl that often.. |
| 16:20.13 | Tain | I only use ircii and BitchX, so no here. |
| 16:20.37 | zeeg | isnt xchat pretty much the same as ircii/bitchx? |
| 16:20.43 | zeeg | they all use perl i think |
| 16:20.51 | wereHamster | I have xchat, but I only can start it and join #wowi-lounge :) |
| 16:23.56 | krka|work | ah... Content-ignore looks good |
| 16:24.03 | krka|work | "A content based ignore script using regular expression and written in Python. (Yes the python interface isn't completely useless.)" |
| 16:51.08 | id` | hey cool |
| 16:51.13 | id` | my sis made me spaghetti ^^ |
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| 17:42.27 | Kolth | Yay Cair! |
| 17:42.39 | Cairenn | hi all |
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| 17:43.46 | Astryl | Kwak! |
| 17:43.54 | Astryl | Public Beta 3 of FeralSkills released... |
| 17:43.56 | Cairenn | *purr* |
| 17:44.05 | Astryl | Up to about 2100 downloads now... |
| 17:44.44 | Astryl | In order of most downloads from each place, Guru, ui.wow.net, Curse, WoWI. |
| 17:45.16 | Astryl | Guru would probably be last, except I took pity on it, and use it for the download link I advertise in the forum thread about it... |
| 17:46.01 | Astryl | (Sorry Cair!) |
| 17:46.28 | Cairenn | for what? |
| 17:46.52 | Cairenn | I haven't seen you say anything for which you need to apologize |
| 17:47.13 | Kolth | He's double-dipping!!! |
| 17:47.19 | Astryl | You're the least visited site for people downloading my addon. |
| 17:47.32 | Cairenn | *shrug* |
| 17:47.32 | Astryl | You'd probably be 2nd least, but I advertised Guru. |
| 17:47.42 | Cairenn | I saw what you said Astryl |
| 17:48.03 | Cairenn | and as I said - "I haven't seen you say anything for which you need to apologize" |
| 17:48.14 | Astryl | *shrug* OK then, go get me more hits, Cair! |
| 17:48.19 | id` | :P |
| 17:48.43 | Cairenn | where you host and where you advertise is your right as the author, I'd complain about this ... why? |
| 17:49.00 | Astryl | ...Less advertising revenue for you? :) |
| 17:49.00 | id` | Hits, psh, who cares about hits.. As long as the addon does what you want it to do it's a good thing. |
| 17:49.35 | Astryl | It is a business to you, right? In a basic business model, I'm your supplier, and your revenue comes from advertising. |
| 17:50.27 | id` | its a game man |
| 17:50.28 | id` | :P |
| 17:51.20 | Cairenn | Astryl: as most have figured out by now, I really don't care about (what is in my opinion) unimportant stuff like that ... I care about providing a quality environ for mod authors to host their mods, get feedback from their users, and to get the support they need as authors to enable them to be more effective and enjoy what they are doing more |
| 17:51.57 | id` | wich results into stuff like that anyway |
| 17:52.11 | Astryl | Well, in that regard, I find that you have the most complete solution for addon authors. |
| 17:52.36 | Cairenn | I got laughed at by Dolby last night because of exactly that sort of reason ... I care *so* much about "numbers" and stuff that I hadn't even realized we had hit 1 mil downloads, let alone the fact that we are at over 2 mil now |
| 17:53.02 | Cairenn | it.doesn't.matter |
| 17:53.13 | Cairenn | we support you guys ... everything else ... meh, whatever |
| 17:54.11 | Astryl | The only downside to WoWI as opposed to the other 3 is the lack of instant hosting of files. Usually it doesn't matter much, but sometimes it does. |
| 17:54.39 | Cairenn | not any more it doesn't, we've made changes to how things show up when a new version is sitting in the file queue |
| 17:54.45 | id` | :o |
| 17:54.54 | Cairenn | we just haven't made any big deal over it |
| 17:54.57 | Astryl | That new in the last few days? |
| 17:55.18 | Astryl | The version I just posted half an hour ago went up within a minute or two. |
| 17:55.33 | Cairenn | I didn't say they were auto-approved |
| 17:55.37 | Astryl | Whereas the previous version took like an hour. |
| 17:55.40 | Astryl | Aye, I know... |
| 17:56.06 | Cairenn | I said we made changes to the way things show up when an update is in the queue |
| 17:56.40 | Astryl | All that matters is that I can post a new version, then immediately go to the forum and post a note saying that there's a new version, and you can download it from these 4 sites... |
| 17:57.01 | Astryl | It's when I'd have to say, "you can download it from these 3 sites, and in an hour you'll be able to download it from wowi too." |
| 17:57.10 | Astryl | ...that it's not a great thing |
| 17:57.18 | Cairenn | well, that time difference would have something to do with the fact that I'm checking the site at the moment, but obviously the last time you updated, no one was at the site, for whatever reason |
| 17:57.24 | Cairenn | as for what has changed: |
| 17:57.48 | Astryl | Aye. |
| 17:58.29 | Cairenn | * People can view the fileinfo screen and pictures if an interface is in the moderation queue. * At the top of the fileinfo screen a message will say this file has not yet been approved. * If a user clicks on the download link a popup will appear allowing the person to download from the archive list with info explaining why. * The interface will still remain hidden from the latest list and when browsing the do |
| 17:59.17 | Astryl | Why not let them download it anyway if they bypass the warning? |
| 17:59.34 | Cairenn | the updated version? |
| 17:59.41 | Astryl | Yah |
| 17:59.43 | Cairenn | nope |
| 17:59.51 | Cairenn | not until we've checked it |
| 18:00.32 | Astryl | They try to download it, the popup says "Warning: This file has not been approved yet (virus checked, etc), it may be malicious! We usually check items every 15 min, so please wait until then. If you can't wait, are you sure you want to download it anyway?" |
| 18:00.41 | Corrodias | in a way, that increases the reputation of the site |
| 18:00.47 | Corrodias | in another, it annoys users and takes control away from them |
| 18:01.05 | Astryl | Yep, that's completely correct. |
| 18:01.07 | Cairenn | you are welcome to make the suggestion in the suggestion forum, Dolby may agree to it, but I don't think so |
| 18:01.29 | Corrodias | one reason i dislike many game developers is that they try to make you play the game how -they- want you to play it |
| 18:01.44 | Corrodias | even when it is a single player game, i mean |
| 18:01.59 | Cairenn | we've discussed things like this repeatedly, and we all still stand by our decision on how we handle files going into our DB |
| 18:02.07 | Corrodias | having to "unlock" anything makes me sick |
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| 18:06.08 | Cairenn | zeeg, you there? |
| 18:07.14 | Beladona | I am very pro-approval |
| 18:07.15 | Natasem | i don;'t mind a site that actualy scans the uplaods, with the newest anti virus deffinisions |
| 18:07.18 | Beladona | =) |
| 18:07.21 | Natasem | i'll wait the extra time |
| 18:07.44 | Cairenn | hey Beladona :) |
| 18:07.55 | Beladona | in today's age and lack of understanding on many user's parts, having an extra layer of protection and authorization is necessary |
| 18:07.57 | Beladona | at least in my mind |
| 18:08.29 | Beladona | most people in THIS channel can probably recognize malicious content, but not everyone can |
| 18:08.50 | Corrodias | and the harm to you if people download content you haven't approved is what? |
| 18:09.14 | Cairenn | our reputation |
| 18:09.55 | elema | what makes an addon's mem size very large (big onload, big onupdate usage, many events- but which other things ?) |
| 18:10.12 | Corrodias | creating many new memory objects instead of reusing old ones |
| 18:10.30 | Corrodias | the last time i used it, BGBuddy2 used as much memory per second as all the rest of my addons combined |
| 18:10.37 | Codayus | I can see some potentially large upsides to the approval process, and the downsides are pretty minor for users and authors. It's a pain for the WoWI admins, but... <shrug> |
| 18:11.09 | Cairenn | but it's a pain that we choose to keep, because our reputation, our good name, are worth it to us |
| 18:11.14 | Codayus | *nod* |
| 18:11.17 | Corrodias | if the author wants the users to be able to get the mod before it's approved, i guess they can have it hosted elsewhere |
| 18:11.30 | elema | You mean if I save many vars, the mem size gets very huge ? |
| 18:11.44 | Cairenn | Corrodias: precisely |
| 18:11.44 | elema | or change their values |
| 18:12.18 | Corrodias | it really depends on a lot of things, elema. memory allocation isn't so simple as to deserve one sentence |
| 18:12.33 | Corrodias | it's about pointers |
| 18:13.57 | Beladona | it isn't just our reputation with users either |
| 18:14.04 | Beladona | we check mods for other things besides viruses |
| 18:14.11 | Beladona | among those are things Blizzard doesn't want |
| 18:14.33 | Corrodias | to save memory, you have to reuse objects whenever possible, which makes a lot more sense in an object-oriented language (and i am pretty sure LUA isn't one) but even in C it would mean either reusing arrays or freeing them. since in LUA you can't free memory (it's up to the garbage collector), you'd have to reuse them. |
| 18:14.45 | Codayus | An automated scanner isn't going to be able to notice that an addon is designed to allow cross-faction communication... |
| 18:14.53 | Beladona | aye |
| 18:14.57 | Beladona | but human eyes can |
| 18:15.09 | Cairenn | Codayus: or that it removes all underwear from the female models in the game |
| 18:15.13 | Cairenn | or |
| 18:15.15 | Cairenn | or |
| 18:15.18 | Corrodias | blizzard doesn't mind that. |
| 18:15.30 | Cairenn | Corrodias: wanna bet? |
| 18:15.33 | Corrodias | yes. |
| 18:15.41 | Beladona | they mind |
| 18:15.45 | Codayus | Corrodias: Well, maybe not. Changing in game models is a grey area... But *I* mind it; that sorta mod is just retarded. |
| 18:16.04 | Cairenn | they object to their game becoming pornographic, you can count on it |
| 18:16.07 | Beladona | in a way it is similar to the hot coffee mod that was a problem for GTA |
| 18:16.20 | Codayus | And various nude patches for the Sims games... |
| 18:16.22 | Beladona | only difference there was that the content was there already |
| 18:16.30 | Corrodias | that's a huge fucking difference. |
| 18:16.36 | Beladona | not really |
| 18:16.36 | elema | does the mem size gets just through the amount of script |
| 18:16.40 | Corrodias | it's the entire basis of the issue |
| 18:16.40 | Codayus | Corrodias: Not really. |
| 18:16.45 | Beladona | it doesn't change the potential rating issues |
| 18:16.47 | Corrodias | legally, i mean. |
| 18:17.01 | Astryl | It's the mods that remove all the underwear from the MALE models in the game that I mind. |
| 18:17.15 | Corrodias | companies can only go so far to prevent users from being able to change their games. they produce the engine; they don't produce the "porn". |
| 18:17.40 | Codayus | I unwisely followed a link that turned out to be a page full of pictures of naked undead females. That wasn't fun. |
| 18:17.43 | Beladona | there was a huge todo about that hot coffee mod BEFORE it came out that the content was already in the game and not user made, only user unlocked |
| 18:17.55 | Cairenn | but Blizzard didn't create models with nipples and pubic hair |
| 18:18.36 | Corrodias | there's some degree of personal responsibilty that we have to assign to the people who actually bother to install such a mod, anyway |
| 18:18.40 | Cairenn | their models are like a barbie or ken doll ... they *aren't* anatomically correct |
| 18:18.46 | Codayus | Thankfully. |
| 18:18.53 | Corrodias | it's -their- fault if they don't like what they see, because -they- installed the mod. |
| 18:19.05 | Cairenn | Astryl: tacky |
| 18:19.15 | Cairenn | not our site, I trust? if so, link please |
| 18:19.18 | Astryl | Nope. |
| 18:19.33 | Cairenn | Corrodias: that is correct |
| 18:19.41 | Astryl | Druid forums. |
| 18:19.57 | Corrodias | healbots lolz |
| 18:19.59 | Cairenn | Corrodias: as far as it goes |
| 18:20.07 | Codayus | Corrodias: Correct, as far as it goes. But some people will blame Bliz anyhow...and in any case, Bliz would just as soon people didn't misuse their game like that anyhow. |
| 18:21.16 | Cairenn | and people will blame us for hosting it |
| 18:21.42 | Corrodias | they can disallow whatever they want, in the end, but i have read the threads about the 'nude mods' and, as of last month when i last checked, blizzard had no stated problem with it. no more than with most addons, anyway, which is to say they weren't fighting back. |
| 18:22.07 | Codayus | Imagine, say, that a nude patch is made for WoW, and it's quite popular, and then the NYT writes an article about it...a bit far fetched, but not impossible. For 90% of the people who read it, they'll associate it with Bliz, not some random modder. |
| 18:22.34 | Codayus | I don't have to read a single word by Bliz to know they'd be quite upset by that turn of events. :-) |
| 18:22.35 | Beladona | Blizzard isn't liable for the mod itself |
| 18:22.53 | Cairenn | Codayus: wouldn't be the first time NYT has written about WoW, either |
| 18:22.55 | Beladona | they are liable if it comes out that they knew about it and didn't do anyhting to prevent it |
| 18:23.13 | Codayus | Ya. Didn't they have an article in the *sports* section about the next raid dungeon? That amused me. |
| 18:23.14 | Cairenn | Corrodias: they can disallow whatever they want, in the end, but i have read the threads about the 'nude mods' and, as of last month when i last checked, blizzard had no stated problem with it. no more than with most addons, anyway, which is to say they weren't fighting back. |
| 18:23.20 | Cairenn | Codayus: yes |
| 18:23.30 | Beladona | not yet |
| 18:23.36 | Codayus | Truly we live in the 21st century. :-P |
| 18:23.38 | Cairenn | Corrodias: *but* ... was there *any* post by "blue" about it? |
| 18:23.41 | Beladona | but they ARE starting to lock out the ability to replace certain files |
| 18:23.44 | Corrodias | it's like being upset at .. who is it that owns the Unreal engine? well, at them for somebody using their engine to make a game they don't like |
| 18:23.54 | Beladona | and you can be sure model textures will be part of that at some point |
| 18:24.24 | Corrodias | not as far as i'm aware. there were replications of discussions with GMs but they can't be taken as official word. |
| 18:24.54 | Codayus | A lot of quoted GM conversations in the forums strike me as being fake... :-/ |
| 18:24.58 | Corrodias | i believe WoWI hosts some model mods, too. |
| 18:25.08 | Beladona | not the nude ones |
| 18:25.09 | Codayus | "Dude, a GM said blah balh blah."" |
| 18:25.14 | Corrodias | specifically some that change warlock summons |
| 18:25.24 | Beladona | and we chose to host them because there wasn't a probolem with it yet |
| 18:25.25 | Corrodias | *pets, i've been reading too much D&D lately |
| 18:25.28 | Cairenn | Corrodias: I have no doubt that there hasn't been any official response saying they don't approve ..... but I'm also willing to bet that there aren't any official responses approving of it, either |
| 18:25.36 | Corrodias | you are correct |
| 18:25.49 | Codayus | Big difference between replacing a warlocks imp with a cooler model, and a nude patch... |
| 18:25.59 | Corrodias | what's the difference? |
| 18:26.09 | Cairenn | Corrodias: yes, there are some model mods on our site ... none of them are pornographic, and Blizz hasn't said they aren't allowed |
| 18:26.25 | Corrodias | changing the rating of the game? Game Experience May Change During Online Play |
| 18:26.39 | Beladona | from a technical standpoint I understand where you are coming from Corrodias |
| 18:27.04 | Beladona | from the standpoint of a parent or someone supervising children, there is a HUGE difference |
| 18:27.17 | Cairenn | and if the other sites choose to host the mod, that is their business - but it won't be on our site |
| 18:27.18 | Corrodias | i suppose there is. but i never help them. :) |
| 18:27.23 | Codayus | Corrodias: I don't think Bliz should be worried about, say, legal problems. Some may disagree, but meh, that's my opinion. |
| 18:27.34 | Codayus | But PR and reputation problems could be a hundred times worse. |
| 18:27.56 | Corrodias | i love freedom to the extent of not protecting people from themselves and letting them do what they want with their game that isn't destructive to others' enjoyment of it |
| 18:28.31 | Cairenn | Corrodias: okay, try considering this, then |
| 18:28.33 | Corrodias | i put a pretty low priority on isolating children |
| 18:28.44 | Beladona | if it was a serious pressing legal issue, they would have taken care of it by now, but that doesn't mean it will NEVEr be a legal issue |
| 18:29.09 | Beladona | there are bills right now getting passed in some states that prevent sales of any game that could EVER contain such material |
| 18:29.14 | Codayus | (Then again, I don't think Rockstar or their publisher should have the slightest legal issues with the Hot Coffee fiasco, and I disagreed with the change in the games rating. <shrug>) |
| 18:29.18 | Beladona | the law is changing... |
| 18:29.53 | Cairenn | you are playing the game ... and you know that someone else can see your character nude ... can that affect *your* enjoyment of the game? Yes, it can. Some people would object to that violently ... |
| 18:29.53 | futrtrubl | Beladona, then no game would be allowed to be sold |
| 18:30.07 | Corrodias | we can break into games and modify them. it -will- be done. |
| 18:30.36 | Codayus | Cairenn: Indeed. |
| 18:30.45 | Corrodias | i also ignore objections at that level of abstraction, Cairenn |
| 18:31.00 | Corrodias | i don't believe in morals, so i won't bother to say i'm right or wrong, but i can explain what i like. |
| 18:31.16 | Cairenn | and I've yet to say you are "wrong" |
| 18:31.20 | Codayus | One of my friends dislikes the skimpier armor models - she'd be quite upset with the idea of other people having a nude patch installed... |
| 18:31.29 | Cairenn | you have your opinion and you are entitled to it |
| 18:31.54 | Cairenn | opinions aren't "wrong" |
| 18:32.01 | Corrodias | i just don't want you to think of me as trying to be offensive for its own sake |
| 18:32.16 | Cairenn | good heavens no, I'm not taking it that way at all |
| 18:32.21 | Codayus | How did that go? Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but nobody is entitled to their own facts? :-) |
| 18:32.30 | Cairenn | Codayus: heh |
| 18:32.51 | Corrodias | ...what? >_> |
| 18:33.28 | Legorol^ | can I add my 2 cents? |
| 18:33.33 | Legorol^ | i haven't read the whole conversation, but |
| 18:33.38 | Cairenn | Legorol^: nevah! |
| 18:33.45 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 18:33.49 | Corrodias | japanese 3d porn game companies go to some lengths, in some cases, to protect their games from being modified to remove the censorship or change the models. in all but one case so far, we've broken through it. |
| 18:33.49 | Legorol^ | any mod that modifies the in-game models is against the EULA and ToU |
| 18:33.53 | futrtrubl | ./ignore Legorol^ |
| 18:33.57 | Legorol^ | and therefore Blizzard has their back covered |
| 18:34.11 | Corrodias | it doesn't modify any game files, don't worry about that |
| 18:34.27 | Legorol^ | if someone makes nude models for WoW, it's entirely their own doing, it's never sanctioned and specifically prohibited |
| 18:34.36 | Codayus | As I've already commented - I think Bliz should be much more concered with the potential damage from poor PR than from the potential damage of a lawsuit... |
| 18:34.45 | Legorol^ | exactly |
| 18:34.48 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Iriel (n=daniel@adsl-66-123-190-42.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) |
| 18:34.48 | Legorol^ | there is no question of law suit |
| 18:35.06 | futrtrubl | agreed |
| 18:35.10 | Corrodias | the horrible reputation of server reliability and game performance isn't enough, eh? hehe |
| 18:35.13 | Legorol^ | Cairenn: earlier you stated that Blizz has no problem with mods that modify models |
| 18:35.14 | Legorol^ | this is not so |
| 18:35.23 | Codayus | Legorol^: I believe you're wrong, although I wish you wearn't. |
| 18:35.26 | Legorol^ | Blues have stated that such mods are not allowed |
| 18:35.33 | Codayus | Legorol^: Link? |
| 18:35.35 | Legorol^ | i can try to get you links |
| 18:35.36 | Corrodias | please link me to this. |
| 18:35.37 | Legorol^ | ok |
| 18:35.44 | Legorol^ | give me a few minutes |
| 18:35.45 | Corrodias | if it's within the last month, that would be why i didn't see it. |
| 18:35.59 | Natasem | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5464505634137914176&q=trading+spouses |
| 18:36.01 | Cairenn | hey Iriel :) |
| 18:36.03 | Corrodias | if it's not from within the last month, it must be pretty well hidden because nobody heard about it. |
| 18:36.08 | Legorol^ | apart from the fact taht i have seen blue posts on it (for which you don't have to take my word, obviously), |
| 18:36.12 | Natasem | nut case warning |
| 18:36.14 | Legorol^ | it is actually against the EULA and ToU as well |
| 18:36.33 | Legorol^ | that, you don't have to take my word for either, ask your lawyer ;-) |
| 18:36.34 | Corrodias | i read them both, and they have both been analyzed by the relevant threads. there's nothing against changing the models. |
| 18:36.35 | Beladona | people will always find ways to modify games. If they can't modify it with developer provided tools, they do it on their own. But MMORPG games have a slight advantage. They can actively check content for validity before allowing you to play |
| 18:36.44 | Legorol^ | Corrodias: i beleive there is |
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| 18:36.52 | Corrodias | there is a clause against changing the game files, but that's another issue |
| 18:36.55 | Legorol^ | Where they prohibit modification of game files |
| 18:36.59 | Beladona | so the argument that people will find ways to do it anyway, doesn't fly in this situation |
| 18:37.20 | Legorol^ | I beleive that dropping models in Data\ would be considered modification of game files |
| 18:37.27 | Legorol^ | by anyone with common sense and/or a court of law |
| 18:37.30 | Legorol^ | that is my opinion |
| 18:37.34 | Corrodias | most of us disagree, since you never changed any files |
| 18:37.34 | Cairenn | *technically*, yes, you are correct |
| 18:37.35 | Beladona | depends |
| 18:37.40 | Corrodias | you added some |
| 18:37.48 | Beladona | its technically overriding the use of game files |
| 18:37.50 | Legorol^ | Corrodias: that's exactly the point, the technicality from a computing point is irrelevant |
| 18:38.01 | Legorol^ | what matters is common sense and how a competent court would rule |
| 18:38.03 | Beladona | now if you repacked an mpq with your data, that would be different |
| 18:38.03 | Corrodias | and -that- depends on a judge. |
| 18:38.13 | Cairenn | you aren't supposed to touch files anywhere other than the ..\Interface\AddOns folder |
| 18:38.23 | Corrodias | but it's all nonsense to worry too much about it either way |
| 18:38.28 | Legorol^ | I beleive that exploiting the MPQ loader engine and overriding files still constitutes "changing" |
| 18:38.33 | Legorol^ | anyways, off to get the links |
| 18:38.38 | Corrodias | if blizzard doesn't want you to be able to do it, in the next patch they'll disable that feature or change the EULA to be explicit about it. |
| 18:38.48 | Legorol^ | Corrodias: that's not true |
| 18:38.56 | Beladona | I don't see why they don't just disable the ability to override anything |
| 18:38.58 | Corrodias | whoa, i think we've had this discussion before :o |
| 18:39.14 | Legorol^ | there can be things they don't want that the EULA already prohibits, which they don't have technical protection against |
| 18:39.36 | Legorol^ | you know, it is allowed to have money in your house and say, i don't want you to take it |
| 18:39.44 | Legorol^ | it's still illegal to steal it, even if you don't buy a safe |
| 18:40.04 | Corrodias | blizzard doesn't like to put a lot of effort into things. they'd rather make it impossible than go banning people left and right for it |
| 18:40.20 | Beladona | the other issue is that any action Blizzard takes in protecting or disabling features of the game tends to have further reaching consequences than just preventing you from doing something you shouldn't |
| 18:40.27 | Beladona | that is why those kinds of things tend to take time |
| 18:41.27 | Legorol^ | link 1) http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-en&t=31013&s=blizzard&tmp=1#blizzard |
| 18:41.38 | Corrodias | i wonder now why they don't just detect Decursive and ban people for it |
| 18:41.58 | Beladona | what would stop decursive from rewriting to get around it |
| 18:42.22 | [MoonWolf] | banning a large amount of all your users is not really something that makes you popular |
| 18:42.29 | Corrodias | there's that "modifying the core files" phrase again |
| 18:42.37 | Codayus | Corrodias: Impossible to detect, and since it isn't disallowed, they'd never ever even POTENTIALLY ban people for it? |
| 18:42.52 | Beladona | and trust me, Blizzard doesn't just ban you for minor things |
| 18:42.58 | Beladona | they take banning seriously |
| 18:42.59 | Corrodias | they're trying to disable it! |
| 18:43.01 | Codayus | Besides, it'd built into CTRA now too. |
| 18:43.23 | Codayus | So once they banned every single raider they have...uh...what would their revenue numbers look like? :-P |
| 18:43.27 | Beladona | WOW is their game |
| 18:43.29 | Beladona | not ours |
| 18:43.33 | Beladona | we just lease it |
| 18:44.19 | Codayus | Legorol^: Interesting link. North American CMs have been much more careful not to comment on that, AFAIK. Funny typo though. |
| 18:44.20 | Beladona | they ban people that they know are exploiting the system willingly |
| 18:44.50 | Beladona | that is hardly a large number of their subscribers |
| 18:45.14 | Codayus | And AFAIK, they've been clear that decursive is something that they sort of wish would go away, and their looking at ways of breaking it...but that's not even sort of remotely the same thing as them viewing it as an exploit to be banned over... |
| 18:45.15 | Legorol^ | Codayus: i am looking for a more solid link |
| 18:45.22 | Legorol^ | Aeus has posted on it, in very definite terms |
| 18:45.30 | Legorol^ | i am just trying to find the link on cardplace at the moment |
| 18:45.46 | Corrodias | all this talking about how other people feel is tiring me |
| 18:46.11 | Beladona | are they banning people that use decursive? |
| 18:46.16 | Gryphen | no |
| 18:46.18 | Beladona | I haven't seen that happen yet |
| 18:46.27 | Corrodias | i have to leave to go home in a few minutes, anyway. i'll use the mods if i can, and if they ban me, i'll stop paying and go play one of the other 6 games i have lined up |
| 18:46.31 | Beladona | not sure why the subject of banning even came up |
| 18:46.46 | Codayus | Beladona: Corrodias said he thought Bliz SHOULD ban people for using it. |
| 18:46.48 | Cairenn | Beladona: not that I've seen/heard (from a source that I trust) |
| 18:46.50 | Legorol^ | Decursive is allowed at the moment |
| 18:46.51 | Codayus | Not that they had. |
| 18:46.58 | Gryphen | ctra does the same thing as decursive too |
| 18:47.00 | Beladona | I don't think they should |
| 18:47.02 | Legorol^ | there *is* blue post on decursive |
| 18:47.08 | Codayus | Beladona: Agreed, of course. |
| 18:47.17 | Corrodias | if they want to make people stop using it and they can't disable it, they -have- to ban for it. it's the only option. |
| 18:47.21 | Beladona | they are doing fine. They are looking at ways to disable it without causing a huge problem with other mods |
| 18:47.22 | Corrodias | i'm not supporting either side |
| 18:47.33 | Codayus | Legorol^: Right, which says, basically, that'll it'll probably stop working in some patch, because they're not really happy with it, but for now, it's fine. |
| 18:47.50 | Corrodias | ITS FINE LERN2PLAY? |
| 18:48.09 | Beladona | they haven['t come forward and said "STOP USING IT" for the very reason that such a statement would force them to enforce it |
| 18:48.17 | Beladona | but they do dislike it |
| 18:48.30 | Codayus | Corrodias: No, they don't have to ban for it. They can also adjust the game to make it less of a problem. |
| 18:48.30 | Cairenn | and have stated such |
| 18:48.38 | Legorol^ | Codayus: yes that's the post |
| 18:48.42 | Legorol^ | slouken's post on Decursive: |
| 18:48.44 | Legorol^ | http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-interface-customization/231093.htm |
| 18:48.51 | Legorol^ | says they'd love to stop it, but they can't yet |
| 18:48.55 | Legorol^ | and so for now it's fine |
| 18:49.10 | Legorol^ | (still looking for Aeus's post) |
| 18:49.12 | Corrodias | i'm going home now. enjoy your weekend, everybody! :) |
| 18:49.15 | Codayus | Yeah, that's how I remembered it. |
| 18:49.31 | Cairenn | later Corrodias, have a nice weekend |
| 18:49.39 | Codayus | Bye Corrodias. |
| 18:49.52 | Cairenn | Legorol^: don't sweat it |
| 18:51.20 | Legorol^ | ok |
| 18:51.30 | Cairenn | so - anyone want a snowstorm? I'll even throw in the 2 30-car pile ups and my migraine, free! |
| 18:51.31 | Legorol^ | unfortunately post scrolled off, and cardplace has a crap search engine |
| 18:52.06 | Legorol^ | even if you are not willing to take my word for it (which is your choice), Aeus posted on the EU UI forum in a thread about model modification explaining in detail why Blizzard does not allow it |
| 18:52.31 | Legorol^ | he argued the points we all know, that if you can modify models you can potentially gain advantage, e.g. making a big red spike come out of your enemies to see where they are |
| 18:52.56 | Beladona | or making a day glow orange model that stands out from the rest, so that you can easily find enemies |
| 18:52.58 | Legorol^ | right, i have to go cook, so i won't be able to find the link |
| 18:53.26 | Codayus | Interesting (but mostly unrelated) question - how binding is EU blue posts on US players? What would happened if they posted conflicting things? |
| 18:53.38 | Codayus | Happen, even. |
| 18:54.04 | Beladona | they are connected. I am sure they have handbooks and guidelines they must follow |
| 18:54.11 | Codayus | *nod* |
| 18:54.37 | Legorol^ | it is possible for CMs to err |
| 18:54.54 | Legorol^ | however, it's unlikely they would state different things when it comes to policies and what's allowed/not allowed |
| 18:55.12 | Cairenn | well, that's one of the problems that is going on - one side says one thing, the other side says something else, and in all these cases it is CMs that are making the statements |
| 18:55.12 | Legorol^ | and when you have a post by only one of them, i would go with that, until a contradictory one appears on US site ;-) |
| 18:55.28 | Legorol^ | Cairenn: was there a case where CMs contradicted each other? |
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| 18:55.40 | Iriel | Hell, US blue posts aren't necessarily binding to US players |
| 18:55.47 | Codayus | Well, the US side of things has been very very careful to *nod* post anything at all, despite it having been an issue for months... |
| 18:55.49 | Legorol^ | no posts are binding |
| 18:55.51 | Legorol^ | the EULA/ToU is |
| 18:55.59 | Cairenn | Legorol^: not necessarily on this particular issue, but yes, I've seen one thing on one side and something different on the other |
| 18:56.02 | Legorol^ | blue posts just might be an indication about how Blizz would like to interpret them |
| 18:56.11 | Iriel | Well, stickied posts that say "We'll ban you if you do X" are pretty strong. |
| 18:56.23 | Legorol^ | Cairenn: ok, i am not surprised about that ;-) |
| 18:56.37 | Legorol^ | i'd be very surprised if a blue actually condoned model modding |
| 18:56.57 | [MoonWolf] | i think they are kinda in limbo about what to allow and what not at the moment |
| 18:57.16 | [MoonWolf] | but should things escalate we will know soon enough. |
| 18:57.21 | Ktron | Granted I'm thrwoing something in the middle here-- my guess is they know it will be difficult to prevent, and so they're seeing how big a problem it is/will be |
| 18:57.24 | Legorol^ | besides, in almost 99% of the points we argue here, i think we can all agree on what we think Blizzard would want to be the case |
| 18:57.27 | Cairenn | on this particular issue, the only thing that I have seen from the US side is acknowledgement from blue that it is possible to gain advantage |
| 18:57.49 | Cairenn | *is possible* ... note emphasis |
| 18:58.08 | [MoonWolf] | yes, but the eu(and i fall under that) posted clearly that it is NOT alllowed. |
| 18:58.25 | Beladona | I am sure that as soon as that problem becomes a "tool" rather than a passing fancy for most users, they will kill it |
| 18:58.29 | Legorol^ | Cairenn: if anyone, you know blizzard best |
| 18:58.44 | Legorol^ | they will not allow something that has the potential to cause advantage, and will try to stop it if they can |
| 18:58.49 | Legorol^ | as for model modding specifically, |
| 18:58.56 | Legorol^ | i beleive it is not a big problem at the moment, that's why they are quiet |
| 18:59.07 | Legorol^ | all my experience with blizz so far has been that if you don't hear about it, don't worry about it |
| 18:59.09 | Cairenn | yup, and that leads back to the ... make up your minds, Blizz, you've got different things being said by different people in different communities, all of whom are "official reps" of your company ... |
| 18:59.30 | Legorol^ | i think that the US post you referred to is consistent with the EU |
| 18:59.42 | Legorol^ | one said it has potential for exploit, the other said it is not allowed |
| 18:59.47 | Codayus | I've said it before, I think customer communication is probably Bliz's weakest point. Understandable given the size of their subscriber base though... |
| 19:00.13 | Legorol^ | well and lot of these are grey areas |
| 19:00.17 | [MoonWolf] | Codayus, even when it was lower the PR department of blizzard has been sub par |
| 19:00.18 | Legorol^ | you have to realize that asking them to make a statement about model modding is not easy |
| 19:00.20 | [MoonWolf] | i can live it with it, other not so much. |
| 19:00.32 | Legorol^ | because the only *simple* statement they can make is that it isn't allowed, full stop |
| 19:00.36 | Legorol^ | which would kill a lot of fun |
| 19:00.56 | Codayus | [MoonWolf]: Yeah...I've played games that were 100 times better at communicating with players...and well, now I play WoW and not those games. Their's a reason. :-P |
| 19:01.05 | Legorol^ | asking them to draft guidelines about acceptable and unaccaptable forms of model modding is not going to happen |
| 19:01.12 | Codayus | Legorol^: Exactly. I think that's why the US side has been so silent. |
| 19:01.13 | Iriel | I'm sure that IS the official position, but they'll not push it until someone abuses it. |
| 19:01.23 | Codayus | They don't want to ban it, but they can't say it's allowed. |
| 19:01.28 | Iriel | I dont think their communication is problematic at all |
| 19:01.38 | Iriel | I think the silence is intended, and working as designed |
| 19:01.39 | Legorol^ | i remember a similar issue with languages on the EU servers |
| 19:01.46 | Cairenn | *my* only statement on model replacement mods is that I have checked to make sure that we aren't endangering our FSP status by hosting them, and have been reassured that until such time as they make a definitive statement on it, we needn't worry - at such time as they do, if they say "these stop", then we'll need to take them down (and will comply with that) |
| 19:02.09 | Legorol^ | Cairenn: that's cool |
| 19:02.18 | Legorol^ | that is my stance in most things with blizz too |
| 19:02.22 | Iriel | They understand that the only official position they CAN have is that model modding is not acceptable, and since nobody likes bad news, they'll defer stating that as long as possible. |
| 19:02.28 | Legorol^ | until i hear otherwise, i have no problems |
| 19:02.29 | Codayus | Cairenn: Hmm, that's not hugely surprising. Good to know. |
| 19:02.38 | Legorol^ | Iriel: exactly |
| 19:02.40 | Cairenn | but all of *that* being said ... I still refuse to allow nude replacements on our site |
| 19:02.53 | Iriel | On the grounds that people need to get a life? |
| 19:02.54 | [MoonWolf] | damn, we demand BOOBIES! |
| 19:03.02 | Cairenn | get them elsewhere :p |
| 19:03.33 | Legorol^ | the story with languages in EU was that, their official policies only stated that on English servers, English is the language that you will get support in |
| 19:03.33 | Cairenn | (although of the "big four", the only one I could find that is hosting it is ui.wow) |
| 19:03.51 | Legorol^ | also, the policies had some vague and ambiguous reference to how English is the language you should use in General chat |
| 19:04.05 | Legorol^ | for months, people argued about wheter using non-English in general chat is allowed or not |
| 19:04.10 | Legorol^ | and Blizz was totally silent |
| 19:04.11 | Cairenn | lol |
| 19:04.22 | [MoonWolf] | Legorol^, still happens on new servers. |
| 19:04.23 | Legorol^ | until such time that one day they made an official statement |
| 19:04.37 | Legorol^ | *allowing* the use of any language on general chat channels |
| 19:05.02 | Cairenn | like they'd say anything else? |
| 19:05.07 | Legorol^ | yes |
| 19:05.14 | Cairenn | not likely |
| 19:05.21 | Legorol^ | they could've said only use English in English servers' general chat, |
| 19:05.25 | Legorol^ | french in french servers' chat etc. |
| 19:05.32 | Legorol^ | i am actually surprised they took the stance they did |
| 19:05.40 | Legorol^ | mind you, this never applied to private channels |
| 19:05.45 | Legorol^ | there you could always speak whatever you wanted to |
| 19:05.52 | Cairenn | that would open a huge can of legal (and PR) worms that they just wouldn't want to deal with |
| 19:05.58 | Legorol^ | i don't think so |
| 19:06.05 | Legorol^ | they censor words |
| 19:06.16 | Legorol^ | they tell you what ou are allowed to/not allowed to discuss on RP servers |
| 19:06.24 | Legorol^ | why couldn't they restrict language, if they so choose? |
| 19:06.28 | Cairenn | discrimination ... denying someone the right to speak their native language? |
| 19:06.32 | Legorol^ | it's just that it's difficult to police, results in flame wars etc. |
| 19:06.35 | Cairenn | not somewhere they want to go |
| 19:06.50 | Cairenn | and not somewhere they'd be so stupid as to go |
| 19:07.05 | id` | Its a game, its international and it ruins the atmosphere for other players |
| 19:07.11 | id` | DOWN with localisation! |
| 19:07.12 | Legorol^ | Cairenn: i don't know how familiar you are with the laws regarding the right to free speach, but afaik they don't apply to a private server like WoW |
| 19:07.18 | Legorol^ | and also, this is in EU |
| 19:07.29 | Legorol^ | in EU, these things are handled slightly differently than in US |
| 19:07.55 | Legorol^ | i know |
| 19:07.57 | id` | Cairenn: but you play on it |
| 19:08.05 | Cairenn | so do Aussies |
| 19:08.07 | Cairenn | your point? |
| 19:08.12 | Legorol^ | they speak english (sort of0 |
| 19:08.13 | zeeg | you dont have free speech when playing wow :) |
| 19:08.20 | zeeg | just fyi, they take away that privelage |
| 19:08.33 | Cairenn | ah, zeeg, just the gentleman I wished to speak to |
| 19:08.37 | Legorol^ | the point is, in the EU blizz wouldn't lose a legal case for prohibiting using anything other than english |
| 19:08.46 | Legorol^ | heck, on the forums they do prohibit the use of anything other than english |
| 19:09.03 | Legorol^ | at least the english forums |
| 19:09.07 | [MoonWolf] | Legorol^, there is localized forums for all the localized clients |
| 19:09.13 | Legorol^ | and on the french/german forums, you have to stick to those languages |
| 19:09.22 | Legorol^ | exactly |
| 19:09.35 | Legorol^ | so there is no reason why they couldn't say, on english servers, use english, on french servers, use french |
| 19:09.47 | Legorol^ | they just chose not to |
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| 19:13.08 | Cairenn | okay, time for me to brave the roads long enough to go check on my folks' pace ... back in a while |
| 19:14.25 | Iriel | Would anyone find a list of recently updated wiki API pages useful? |
| 19:14.37 | Iriel | I've been generating one, but haven't put it anywhere 'public' |
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| 19:19.56 | [MoonWolf] | Iriel, that would really be handy |
| 19:20.21 | [MoonWolf] | wowwiki needs an rss |
| 19:25.46 | Gryphen | for what? |
| 19:25.50 | Gryphen | recent changes? |
| 19:26.12 | Gryphen | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&feed=rss |
| 19:26.18 | [MoonWolf] | wow |
| 19:26.24 | [MoonWolf] | a new world opens up |
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| 19:30.31 | Iriel | The problem with recentchanges is it's overwhelmed with non-api changes |
| 19:31.21 | Iriel | At least, that's the problem i've been encountering, YMMV |
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| 19:58.48 | Cairenn | you know it's cold outside when the salt doesn't work |
| 20:00.14 | [MoonWolf] | yes, then it really is COLD! |
| 20:00.30 | Cairenn | well ... the salt isn't working ... |
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| 20:31.12 | Cairenn | lol |
| 20:31.14 | Cairenn | hi Tem |
| 20:31.19 | Tem | hi |
| 20:31.26 | Gryphen | heya |
| 20:31.56 | Tem|KillHorde | erm |
| 20:35.02 | Guillotine | hi |
| 20:35.10 | Gryphen | heya |
| 20:36.01 | Guillotine | hiya |
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| 20:38.08 | id` | you get disconnected 100 times a day m8 |
| 20:38.08 | id` | :p |
| 20:38.41 | Guillotine | you spelled hour wrong |
| 20:39.48 | futrtrubl | lol |
| 20:40.05 | futrtrubl | an "an" wrong too |
| 20:40.10 | futrtrubl | and* |
| 20:43.41 | id` | hu? |
| 20:43.43 | id` | :S |
| 20:43.52 | Guillotine | as in I get d/c 100 times an hour. not a day |
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| 21:04.05 | futrtrubl | case in point |
| 21:09.09 | Guillotine | I seriously have no |
| 21:09.14 | Guillotine | idea why I get d/c so much |
| 21:09.18 | Guillotine | it doesn't happen in any other program |
| 21:09.50 | Guillotine | like I said yesterday, I bet shouryuu just bought out freenode so he could constantly d/c me and laugh at me ;( |
| 21:28.47 | Beladona | wdn is now 950px wide instead of 750px, to cater to the 1024x768 + crowd, and hopefully to let me put code views in the main windows instead of a popup ;D |
| 21:29.11 | Kolth | Bela: Lightbox.js? |
| 21:30.26 | Beladona | ehh? |
| 21:31.45 | Kolth | You haven't seen lightbox. |
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| 21:38.40 | Beladona | I know what lightbox is, I was confused as to why you were mentioning it to me |
| 21:38.46 | Beladona | =P |
| 21:41.04 | [MoonWolf] | Hey, a quick non wow question, has anybody heard any news about spore since last years presentation ? |
| 21:43.46 | id` | spore? |
| 21:44.57 | namxo | hum |
| 21:45.05 | namxo | why SetTexture don't work for mask ? |
| 21:45.39 | namxo | <Texture name="EP_VoileMortelFrameVoile" alphaMod="ADD" file="\\Interface\\AddOns\\EP_VoileMortel\\SidesMask"> |
| 21:45.42 | namxo | this is ok |
| 21:45.58 | namxo | but if i do after EP_VoileMortelFrameVoile:SetTexture("\\Interface\\AddOns\\EP_VoileMortel\\SidesMask") |
| 21:46.01 | namxo | it's don't work |
| 21:46.04 | namxo | the mask is broke |
| 21:46.50 | [MoonWolf] | id`, Its something cool |
| 21:46.54 | [MoonWolf] | google EA spore |
| 21:46.57 | [MoonWolf] | or look at this |
| 21:46.58 | [MoonWolf] | http://images.google.nl/images?svnum=10&hs=MYX&hl=nl&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=EA+spore+&btnG=Zoeken |
| 21:47.02 | Beladona | mmm |
| 21:47.34 | id` | not now im configuring my xorg 7 >_o |
| 21:47.43 | namxo | answer please |
| 21:47.43 | namxo | ;p |
| 21:48.22 | Beladona | one moment namxo |
| 21:48.44 | namxo | ok thanks |
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| 21:54.57 | Beladona | anyway, sorry namxo was busy helping someone here at work |
| 21:55.16 | Beladona | can you paste the exact SetTexture string you are using? |
| 21:55.53 | Beladona | you did EP_VoileMortelFrameVoile:SetTexture("\\Interface\\AddOns\\EP_VoileMortel\\SidesMask") |
| 21:55.57 | Beladona | ? |
| 21:56.05 | Beladona | if so, the problem is the \\Interface |
| 21:56.12 | Beladona | it should be: |
| 21:56.18 | Beladona | EP_VoileMortelFrameVoile:SetTexture("Interface\\AddOns\\EP_VoileMortel\\SidesMask") |
| 21:56.51 | namxo | don't work better |
| 21:57.13 | Beladona | hmm |
| 21:58.26 | Beladona | you are setting the texture on a texture right? |
| 21:58.30 | Beladona | not a frame? |
| 21:58.38 | namxo | <Texture name="EP_VoileMortelFrameVoile" file="\\Interface\\AddOns\\EP_VoileMortel\\SidesMask"> |
| 21:59.15 | namxo | I try to overwrite the file settings, to change the file settings after |
| 21:59.24 | Beladona | stop using \\Interface lol |
| 21:59.32 | namxo | without \\ it's don't work "lol". |
| 21:59.44 | namxo | file="\\Interface\\AddOns\\EP_VoileMortel\\SidesMask" works |
| 21:59.50 | namxo | file="Interface\\AddOns\\EP_VoileMortel\\SidesMask" don't works |
| 21:59.55 | Beladona | weird |
| 22:00.14 | Beladona | something wrong there |
| 22:01.15 | namxo | but i don't know why |
| 22:03.00 | Beladona | well |
| 22:03.06 | Beladona | xml files don't need double slashes |
| 22:03.11 | Beladona | the lua does |
| 22:03.26 | namxo | but in xml without double antislashes, it don't work |
| 22:03.27 | namxo | with it work |
| 22:03.46 | Beladona | try this: <Texture name="EP_VoileMortelFrameVoile" file="Interface\AddOns\EP_VoileMortel\SidesMask"> |
| 22:04.01 | namxo | already try |
| 22:04.05 | namxo | and it don't work |
| 22:04.16 | Beladona | what client are you using? |
| 22:04.21 | namxo | ? |
| 22:04.22 | namxo | wowfr |
| 22:04.37 | Beladona | anyone else know if the french client has special stipulations on that? |
| 22:04.44 | namxo | no |
| 22:04.45 | Iriel | I can't see how it could |
| 22:04.54 | namxo | other addons use single antislash |
| 22:04.56 | namxo | and it's work |
| 22:04.58 | Beladona | am I right or wrong in what I am saying then? |
| 22:05.03 | namxo | i dunno why it's don't work on my addon |
| 22:05.04 | Iriel | Is the file actually IN the right directory? |
| 22:05.10 | namxo | yep |
| 22:05.22 | Iriel | as in <WoW>\Interface\AddOns\EP_VoileMortel\SidesMask |
| 22:05.27 | Beladona | can you post your xml file in pastebin |
| 22:05.40 | Beladona | and the lua file |
| 22:07.21 | namxo | http://pastebin.com/560249 |
| 22:07.28 | namxo | i comment/decomment line 45 for test |
| 22:08.06 | namxo | http://pastebin.com/560251 |
| 22:09.23 | Beladona | try issuing the set texture on its own. Something about that EP_VoileMortel:SetTexture() function bothers my spidey senses |
| 22:09.47 | Iriel | Is it safe to mix a texture file and a color? |
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| 22:10.25 | namxo | it's a mask |
| 22:10.28 | namxo | so i must do it |
| 22:10.28 | namxo | :) |
| 22:10.28 | Iriel | Line 130 in the lua is definitely broken |
| 22:10.58 | namxo | why ? |
| 22:11.09 | Iriel | Because you didn't escape your \'s |
| 22:11.19 | namxo | Beladona i've already try other name for the function, same problem |
| 22:11.26 | namxo | 's ? |
| 22:11.29 | namxo | line 130 ? |
| 22:11.37 | namxo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.38 | Beladona | EP_VoileMortelFrameVoile:SetTexture("Interface\\AddOns\\EP_VoileMortel\\Sides-Mask") |
| 22:11.40 | namxo | it's the line 130 |
| 22:11.43 | namxo | where you see a 's ? |
| 22:11.43 | Iriel | http://pastebin.com/560249 |
| 22:11.45 | Iriel | Line 130 |
| 22:12.06 | namxo | then ? which escape ? |
| 22:12.11 | Iriel | all of the \ need to be \\ |
| 22:12.12 | Beladona | lol |
| 22:12.15 | Iriel | Bela said that earlier |
| 22:12.16 | Beladona | yes |
| 22:12.19 | namxo | I already try \\\ |
| 22:12.21 | Iriel | In lua you need \\, in xml you use \ |
| 22:12.22 | namxo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.23 | Beladona | but NOT in front of Interface |
| 22:12.24 | Iriel | Not \\\ |
| 22:12.25 | namxo | don't work too. |
| 22:12.25 | Iriel | Just \\ |
| 22:12.34 | namxo | yes \\ |
| 22:12.36 | namxo | but don't work too |
| 22:12.36 | namxo | :) |
| 22:12.42 | Iriel | I dont trust this either: EP_VoileMortelFrameVoile:SetTexture("") |
| 22:12.48 | Iriel | But I guess you're comfortable that works |
| 22:13.21 | Beladona | and I still don't think you need to escape your \ in the xml file |
| 22:13.28 | Beladona | nor have the \\ in front of Interface |
| 22:13.37 | Iriel | You dont. |
| 22:13.37 | namxo | it don't work without \\ |
| 22:13.44 | Iriel | <Texture file="Interface\PaperDollInfoFrame\UI-Character-General-TopLeft"> |
| 22:13.49 | Beladona | something is seriously weird about your client then |
| 22:13.49 | namxo | i know it |
| 22:13.53 | namxo | in other addon it's work |
| 22:13.55 | namxo | not in mine |
| 22:13.58 | namxo | i've already say that |
| 22:14.00 | Iriel | My guess is this |
| 22:14.07 | Iriel | That when the code works, your addon doesn't do what you want it to do |
| 22:14.24 | Beladona | I hate to say this --- |
| 22:14.24 | Iriel | Your addon IS NOT SPECIAL. |
| 22:14.28 | Beladona | but I would make it work without Ace |
| 22:14.33 | Iriel | Put a typo in the path. |
| 22:14.33 | Beladona | before you go acing it |
| 22:14.33 | namxo | i know Iriel, it's the problem !! |
| 22:14.42 | Iriel | file="\\Interface\\AddOns\\EP_VoileMortel\\Sides-Mask"> |
| 22:14.43 | Iriel | Do this |
| 22:14.56 | Iriel | file="Interface\AddOns\EP_VoileMortel\Sides-Mask-TYPO"> |
| 22:15.02 | namxo | typo ? |
| 22:15.13 | Iriel | yes, I want you to use a path that's really wrong. |
| 22:15.29 | namxo | ok |
| 22:15.38 | Iriel | just to see what happens relative to the claimed 'right' behaviour |
| 22:15.43 | namxo | same as the right path |
| 22:15.44 | namxo | xD |
| 22:15.53 | namxo | no error, but black full shadow |
| 22:16.01 | Iriel | When you say "right path" |
| 22:16.06 | Iriel | do you mean with the \\'s ? |
| 22:16.10 | Iriel | or do you mean with the \'s? |
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| 22:16.12 | namxo | <Texture name="EP_VoileMortelFrameVoile" file="Interface\AddOns\EP_VoileMortel\Sides-Mask"> |
| 22:16.14 | namxo | with that |
| 22:16.17 | Beladona | to the client, it still thinks it is wrong |
| 22:16.19 | namxo | it's the same |
| 22:16.20 | Beladona | either way |
| 22:16.21 | Iriel | hm. |
| 22:16.31 | namxo | Beladona i've also an english client, same problem on it ;) |
| 22:16.34 | wereHamster | is anyone of you really sure that there IS a 60% avoidance cap? |
| 22:16.35 | Iriel | Zip up your addon and upload it somewhere. |
| 22:16.45 | namxo | yes wait |
| 22:17.29 | Iriel | You HAVE exited wow completely and started it again during development of this addon, right? |
| 22:17.30 | Codayus | wereHamster: *really* sure? Well, I haven't done the tests myself. But that seems to be pretty widely acknowledged. |
| 22:17.43 | namxo | \\192.168.1.2\wow\Interface\AddOns\EP_VoileMortel-testBug.zip |
| 22:17.43 | Beladona | oh good catch Iriel |
| 22:17.50 | Beladona | didn't think about the reloading |
| 22:18.00 | namxo | ups |
| 22:18.02 | Beladona | would definitely cause that problem |
| 22:18.05 | namxo | http://dl-1.free.fr/52616e646f6d4956c805b469dd5eadca003ec8af835af60a57ae4c7f2842c580/EP_VoileMortel-testBug.zip |
| 22:18.06 | namxo | :) |
| 22:18.16 | Iriel | reloading wouldn't make it work the other way tho |
| 22:18.18 | namxo | Iriel i've try this very often :) |
| 22:18.21 | Iriel | so i'm still not convinced |
| 22:18.28 | namxo | i restart it |
| 22:18.29 | wereHamster | according to the TankPoints author there isn't any cap |
| 22:18.31 | Beladona | it would make the client not see the file though, even the right way |
| 22:18.31 | namxo | not reload |
| 22:18.46 | namxo | i will see :] |
| 22:19.08 | Iriel | I can't download that link. |
| 22:19.13 | Legorol | nor can i |
| 22:19.19 | Legorol | oh, working now |
| 22:19.29 | Beladona | me 2 |
| 22:19.38 | namxo | http://dl-3.free.fr/52616e646f6d49567d317cd33fc4cacf3251122b748ca9b6f943d2dfd92b6209/EP_VoileMortel-testBug.zip |
| 22:19.39 | Iriel | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... No data received. |
| 22:19.41 | Beladona | scratch that |
| 22:19.42 | Iriel | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... |
| 22:19.43 | Beladona | nothing in it |
| 22:19.44 | Iriel | End of file while parsing headers. |
| 22:20.04 | namxo | oh it's work now |
| 22:20.05 | Legorol | Iriel, i managed to download, do you want me to DCC? |
| 22:20.06 | Iriel | that's better |
| 22:20.07 | Beladona | ahh thats better |
| 22:20.09 | namxo | (with a restart client ;p) |
| 22:20.19 | namxo | stupid reload... |
| 22:20.37 | Iriel | it being your addon? |
| 22:20.50 | namxo | all works now |
| 22:20.52 | Iriel | ALWAYS exit wow COMPLETELY whenever you add a file. |
| 22:20.53 | Iriel | ALWAYS |
| 22:20.54 | namxo | roh, very very stupid reload |
| 22:21.01 | namxo | i've not add a file. |
| 22:21.11 | Legorol | but you changed the path to it in XML |
| 22:21.40 | Iriel | So you're saying Sides-Mask.blp was present when you started wow, with that name, in that folder? |
| 22:21.42 | Beladona | all the graphics files were there when you started the client? |
| 22:21.49 | namxo | yes Iriel |
| 22:21.52 | Iriel | That you haven't changed it, renamed it, or replaced it at all? |
| 22:21.54 | Legorol | i don't think that'd matter |
| 22:21.55 | namxo | yes Beladona |
| 22:21.58 | namxo | no Iriel |
| 22:22.06 | Legorol | I'd imagine WoW doesn't "see" the file until you start WoW once with correct XML? |
| 22:22.21 | Iriel | You can reference a file that was there before but previously unreferenced |
| 22:22.24 | Legorol | right |
| 22:22.24 | Beladona | it sees it |
| 22:22.25 | Iriel | Usually |
| 22:22.31 | Iriel | though it may be a strange path caching issue |
| 22:22.52 | namxo | i've an other strange bug in fact ;p |
| 22:22.57 | namxo | more more strange xD |
| 22:22.58 | Iriel | There is some peculiarity there in the game client, i've never quite gotten to the bottom of. |
| 22:23.03 | namxo | i watch the UNIT_HEALTH event |
| 22:23.18 | namxo | after some reload some time the arg1 is always nil (except on mouseover) |
| 22:23.25 | namxo | i delog, disable some addons |
| 22:23.29 | namxo | and it's work |
| 22:23.35 | namxo | then delog, enable these addons |
| 22:23.37 | namxo | and it's work |
| 22:23.42 | Iriel | Sounds like a bad hook |
| 22:23.46 | namxo | stupid bug like that... |
| 22:23.53 | namxo | watch an event it's not a hook |
| 22:23.54 | namxo | ;) |
| 22:24.03 | namxo | i've this problem since ace, grrr :[ |
| 22:24.03 | Iriel | Well, it could be a hook, or a bad handler |
| 22:24.07 | Iriel | anything that assigns to arg1 |
| 22:24.43 | namxo | i've try |
| 22:24.48 | namxo | i've disable 3 addons |
| 22:24.50 | namxo | it's work |
| 22:24.53 | namxo | i've scan all 3 addons |
| 22:24.56 | Iriel | Well, which are the 3 addons |
| 22:24.57 | namxo | to look "arg1 = somethin" |
| 22:25.00 | Iriel | and have you enabled them one by one |
| 22:25.02 | namxo | NOTHING, no arg1 = something |
| 22:25.06 | namxo | NO UNIT_HEALTH event |
| 22:25.11 | namxo | so i don't understand |
| 22:25.17 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 22:25.22 | Cairenn | *purr* |
| 22:25.22 | namxo | sometimes it's the addon devtool, sometime critline |
| 22:25.25 | namxo | it's very boring |
| 22:25.35 | Iriel | DevTools? |
| 22:25.39 | namxo | yep |
| 22:25.41 | Iriel | I can promise it's not that. |
| 22:25.47 | namxo | really ? |
| 22:25.53 | namxo | in one case i've disable only it. |
| 22:25.54 | namxo | and it work |
| 22:26.05 | namxo | then, renable other addon, don't work |
| 22:26.06 | Iriel | Well, I wrote that, so i can see how it could cause your problem |
| 22:26.10 | namxo | disable devtool again |
| 22:26.11 | Iriel | Unless you're using a different one. |
| 22:26.12 | namxo | and it's work |
| 22:26.16 | namxo | it's a very very strange bug |
| 22:26.29 | namxo | I've take devtools from curse |
| 22:26.31 | Beladona | its not strange, its just elusive |
| 22:26.47 | Cairenn | (namxo, I think the word you are looking for is not "boring" but rather "tedious") |
| 22:27.01 | Iriel | Is it Ace that's providing that wacky RegisterEvent thing? |
| 22:27.17 | namxo | maybe Cairenn, boring it's design for what ? |
| 22:27.23 | namxo | Iriel i've look the code |
| 22:27.26 | namxo | and see nothing strange |
| 22:27.31 | Iriel | And, are you using the most current version of ace |
| 22:27.37 | namxo | 1.3 |
| 22:27.40 | namxo | from wowace |
| 22:28.11 | namxo | function AceEvent:RegisterEvent(obj, event, method) |
| 22:28.11 | AnduinLothar | btw iriel. you should be happy to know you've got fans in QA |
| 22:28.11 | namxo | if( not self.registry[event] ) then |
| 22:28.11 | namxo | self.registry[event] = {} |
| 22:28.11 | namxo | self.frame:RegisterEvent(event) |
| 22:28.11 | namxo | end |
| 22:28.11 | namxo | self.registry[event][obj] = (method or event) |
| 22:28.14 | namxo | end |
| 22:28.17 | namxo | i see nothing strange |
| 22:29.24 | AnduinLothar | I was talking to the guys who wrote the only QA addon tool (they've only been at it a few months) and they thought you were amazing |
| 22:29.37 | Iriel | Nice, I see that ace doesn't bother to unregister events when they're no longer needed |
| 22:29.47 | Iriel | Go ace! |
| 22:29.54 | Beladona | shhhhh |
| 22:30.00 | Beladona | =P |
| 22:30.18 | AnduinLothar | ace eats babies |
| 22:30.29 | namxo | ace sux, strange bug with it :| |
| 22:30.47 | namxo | 3 hours for the arg1 bug |
| 22:30.51 | namxo | and no solution actually |
| 22:30.56 | Beladona | FYI |
| 22:31.01 | namxo | i've unload all addon, except ace and EP_* addon |
| 22:31.02 | Beladona | I just removed ace from your addon |
| 22:31.03 | namxo | and it's work |
| 22:31.07 | Beladona | and it works |
| 22:31.10 | namxo | but i don't know which problem cause the problem |
| 22:31.10 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 22:31.23 | namxo | VoileMortel exist without Ace. |
| 22:31.30 | namxo | look on curse-gaming |
| 22:31.35 | Iriel | Do you have ANY addons which call TriggerEvent in ace? |
| 22:31.37 | Beladona | the frame exists anyway, I don't have any scripting going on it |
| 22:31.41 | namxo | i transform voilemortel with ace to add it on EasyPriest |
| 22:31.53 | namxo | i dunno Iriel, i will look |
| 22:32.19 | Beladona | is this supposed to be a frame that flashes? |
| 22:32.30 | namxo | something like that yes |
| 22:32.38 | namxo | no Iriel |
| 22:32.40 | Beladona | I have some very simple non-ace flashing code if you want it |
| 22:32.43 | namxo | >findstr /n /s TriggerEvent *.* |
| 22:32.44 | namxo | Ace\Ace.lua:249:self.event:TriggerEvent(strupper(app.name).."_LOADED") |
| 22:32.44 | namxo | Ace\Ace.lua:253:self.event:TriggerEvent(strupper(app.name).."_ENABLED") |
| 22:32.44 | namxo | Ace\AceAddon.lua:27:self:TriggerEvent(strupper(self.name).."_ENABLED") |
| 22:32.44 | namxo | Ace\AceAddon.lua:42:self:TriggerEvent(strupper(self.name).."_DISABLED") |
| 22:32.44 | namxo | Ace\AceData.lua:105:ace.event:TriggerEvent("ACE_PROFILE_LOADED") |
| 22:32.46 | namxo | Ace\AceEvent.lua:7:function AceEvent:TriggerEvent(event, ...) |
| 22:32.47 | Beladona | variable speed, etc... |
| 22:32.48 | namxo | Ace\AceModule.lua:24:function AceModule:TriggerEvent(...) |
| 22:32.50 | namxo | Ace\AceModule.lua:25:ace.event:TriggerEvent(unpack(arg)) |
| 22:32.52 | namxo | Ace\AceState.lua:87:ace.event:TriggerEvent("ACE_ADDONS_LOADED") |
| 22:32.54 | namxo | only that |
| 22:32.56 | namxo | all from ace |
| 22:33.01 | namxo | you read me Beladona ? |
| 22:33.02 | Iriel | Ok. |
| 22:33.20 | namxo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.21 | namxo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.21 | Beladona | download wdnExpbarMod from wowi |
| 22:33.26 | namxo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.27 | Beladona | it has the flashing code |
| 22:33.33 | namxo | DO YOU READ ME ? |
| 22:33.40 | Beladona | yeah I see that |
| 22:33.43 | Beladona | I( didn't say you can't use ace |
| 22:33.46 | namxo | so don't say that. |
| 22:33.49 | namxo | I can. |
| 22:33.51 | Beladona | just reduce your dependancy on it |
| 22:33.59 | namxo | Oh forget |
| 22:34.08 | namxo | If you read me but don't understand |
| 22:34.21 | Beladona | I udnerstand, you are just getting upset for something you don't understand |
| 22:34.24 | namxo | VoileMortel already exist without ace |
| 22:34.29 | Beladona | I was making a suggestion, thats all |
| 22:34.36 | namxo | so don't show me addon to know how make VoileMortel without ace !! |
| 22:34.53 | namxo | don't understand ? i understand i've a stupid bug |
| 22:34.53 | Beladona | alright, good luck with your addon, I am done |
| 22:34.56 | namxo | a bug not my fault |
| 22:34.56 | namxo | :) |
| 22:35.06 | namxo | and i will localize it |
| 22:35.39 | Beladona | take this as you will, but people offer help here, whether you want it or not. Don't jump down their throats for it |
| 22:35.47 | namxo | it's not that |
| 22:35.49 | namxo | you don't read me |
| 22:35.57 | namxo | <namxo> VoileMortel already exist without ace |
| 22:36.03 | Iriel | Well, I'm 90% sure the bug will turn out to be your fault |
| 22:36.05 | Beladona | I read you |
| 22:36.08 | namxo | so, explain me why you show me addons to make VM without ace ? |
| 22:36.16 | namxo | because VM without ace already exist and work ? |
| 22:36.19 | Beladona | and it IS a bug with your usage of ace |
| 22:36.32 | namxo | Iriel, maybe, but where ? You've the code of the addon :) |
| 22:36.39 | namxo | i know Beladona |
| 22:37.21 | Beladona | in my fairly good experience, when instituing a new feature that results in the failure of your addon, it is best to step back your introduction of your new feature until you can pin down the issue causing it |
| 22:37.31 | Beladona | in this case ace |
| 22:37.37 | Beladona | that is what I was trying to explain |
| 22:37.50 | namxo | it's why you show me addon to make a gradient without ace ? |
| 22:38.00 | AnduinLothar | chill guys |
| 22:38.16 | Beladona | if you can replace that functionality with something non-ace and your addon works, then isn't that a good thing? |
| 22:38.24 | namxo | no. |
| 22:38.36 | Beladona | temporarily |
| 22:38.38 | namxo | Because i Repeat : VOILEMORTEL ALREADY WORKS WITHOUT ACE. |
| 22:39.01 | namxo | I make a version of VoileMortel WITH Ace. |
| 22:39.05 | Beladona | right |
| 22:39.09 | Beladona | and ace is making it break |
| 22:39.11 | namxo | If i can't solve the problem i've already a version of the addon without ace |
| 22:39.21 | Beladona | so step back, and start re-instrocuding it slowly |
| 22:39.23 | namxo | so show me addon to make gradient without ace, is stupid |
| 22:39.29 | namxo | because i've already VM without ace |
| 22:39.36 | namxo | it's why i say : you don't read me |
| 22:39.44 | namxo | i've done this very slowly |
| 22:39.51 | namxo | look the code of voilemortel in curse |
| 22:39.53 | Beladona | namxo, you are seriously pissing me off, and I am not sure you mean to |
| 22:39.55 | namxo | and the voilemortel with ace |
| 22:39.57 | namxo | you will see |
| 22:39.57 | namxo | :) |
| 22:40.18 | id` | question 1, is the Ace object name the same as the XML object name? |
| 22:40.20 | Beladona | I already see, it is you that are misunderstanding me, so I retract any help I gave |
| 22:40.34 | id` | if so it is YOUR fault namxo |
| 22:40.48 | namxo | good question id` :) |
| 22:40.54 | Iriel | id' : I alreacy checked that |
| 22:40.55 | Iriel | It's not |
| 22:40.58 | id` | :\ |
| 22:41.24 | namxo | thanks Iriel ;) |
| 22:42.10 | id` | :p |
| 22:42.17 | namxo | i fix your linux, your fix my script |
| 22:42.18 | namxo | :p |
| 22:42.25 | id` | hehe |
| 22:42.34 | Iriel | Please take this the right way: I'm going to cast doubt on whether you really are having yoru event handler called by ace (or anything) without arg1 set |
| 22:42.59 | id` | Iriel casts doubt on namxo |
| 22:43.03 | id` | xD |
| 22:43.05 | namxo | lol |
| 22:43.07 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Beladona (n=sluster@24.129.136.26) |
| 22:43.13 | id` | :X |
| 22:43.18 | Iriel | I'd like to see some more robust debugging in there (Print this expression: "event=" .. event .. ";arg1=" .. arg1 |
| 22:43.44 | namxo | you want a screenshot with : |
| 22:43.49 | namxo | EP_VoileMortel: * |
| 22:43.50 | namxo | ? :) |
| 22:43.51 | Iriel | I just want you to test it with that |
| 22:43.54 | Iriel | I dont trust * |
| 22:44.00 | namxo | in many lines when i'm hit ? :] |
| 22:44.09 | namxo | i've already try that : |
| 22:44.17 | namxo | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(tostrin(arg1)) |
| 22:44.20 | Cairenn | and *I* would like to see a whole heck of a lot more respect and courtesy being offered to those that are long term, well known, well respected members of this community ... there is a person currently mouthing off that needs to back down in a big hurry |
| 22:44.20 | namxo | and it' show : nil |
| 22:44.21 | namxo | :) |
| 22:44.35 | Cairenn | or they will be invited to leave and not come back |
| 22:44.49 | Legorol | lol, that sounds almost like the visa in my passport |
| 22:44.54 | Iriel | namxo : And you're printing "event" too? |
| 22:44.55 | Legorol | "leave to enter to continue previous leave" |
| 22:45.22 | id` | Legorol: if you have left you cant enter to resume leaving |
| 22:45.22 | Iriel | if it's actually nil, you'd want |
| 22:45.26 | namxo | Cairenn , honnestly, i like help, when people read me |
| 22:45.29 | Legorol | Iriel: to improve debugging, toss in tostring() calls around those variables |
| 22:45.36 | Iriel | (arg1 or 'nil') so hat you get SOMETHING |
| 22:45.36 | namxo | say me 10x times "make your addon without ace" |
| 22:45.37 | Legorol | just in case they are nil, otherwise the .. will throw error |
| 22:45.44 | namxo | and i say "i've already this addon without ace" |
| 22:45.51 | namxo | is tedious for me |
| 22:46.05 | id` | try to imagine what we are going through |
| 22:46.11 | id` | xD |
| 22:46.19 | Cairenn | namxo: you don't want to go there with me, trust me ... I asked you to start showing some respect and courtesy, I've asked nicely once ... don't push |
| 22:46.54 | namxo | Cairenn, if i say "the time is 3 hours" |
| 22:47.00 | namxo | and people say "what time is it ?" |
| 22:47.06 | namxo | i will not be courtesy always |
| 22:47.20 | Cairenn | namxo: then you don't belong in this channel |
| 22:47.37 | Legorol | namxo, asking questions to double-check things is a natural part of troubleshooting process |
| 22:47.44 | Cairenn | do you *read me*? |
| 22:47.45 | Iriel | The other thing to look in your code for is setfenv, it's the only thing I could think of being mis-used that could be messing up your global environment. |
| 22:47.46 | namxo | Cairenn i prefer no answer ;p |
| 22:47.54 | Iriel | I dont see ace using that by default, or your code using that by default |
| 22:47.57 | Legorol | you are receiving help, people are doing you a favour, so the least you can do is provide all the information being asked for |
| 22:48.21 | namxo | setfenv ? |
| 22:48.21 | Iriel | But I have no idea what other addons you have, and if you have any files in Interface\FrameXML then you need to also remove those and restart wow |
| 22:48.41 | namxo | no Interface\FrameXML |
| 22:48.43 | namxo | it's very dirty |
| 22:49.07 | Iriel | Basically I think your environment is broken, probably because of something you did, but it's hard to say what. I'd even go so far as advising you to erase ace, and re-download it, in case you have something broken in there |
| 22:50.49 | Iriel | That's not intended to be judgemental, just to make sure you keep that in mind when diagnosing. |
| 22:51.00 | Iriel | Ace is not that fundamentally broken, devtools doesn't do anything that could cause this. |
| 22:51.26 | Iriel | The problem IS going to be something YOU did (Assuming your description of the problem is valid) |
| 22:52.23 | id` | namxo: use pastebin.com |
| 22:52.25 | id` | paste all the code |
| 22:52.26 | id` | :| |
| 22:52.56 | namxo | look below |
| 22:52.59 | Tain | hee |
| 22:53.00 | id` | Iriel: 'not that', tee hee :) |
| 22:53.04 | Cairenn | no, not below |
| 22:53.05 | Iriel | id` : he did that already |
| 22:53.08 | id` | lo Tainman |
| 22:53.10 | namxo | above ? |
| 22:53.10 | id` | Iriel: ok |
| 22:53.21 | namxo | yes it's above |
| 22:53.22 | namxo | xD |
| 22:53.42 | Iriel | id` : http://pastebin.com/560249 |
| 22:53.51 | Iriel | id` : http://pastebin.com/560251 |
| 22:53.59 | Legorol | dang, they have beefed up Seal of Wrynn |
| 22:54.11 | Legorol | it's the ring that's the reward for the defias brotherhood/van cleef quest chain |
| 22:54.18 | Legorol | used to be a crappy green, now it's an awesome blue |
| 22:54.22 | Tain | I haven't even looked at code but I'm still giggling to myself. |
| 22:54.29 | Legorol | i threw mine away and of course now can't do the quest again |
| 22:58.34 | id` | ill put the Deadmines on my todo for tomorrow |
| 22:59.34 | AnduinLothar | sad leg |
| 22:59.57 | Iriel | http://www.vigilance-committee.org/wow/wikichanges.html |
| 23:00.05 | Iriel | That'll get updated every 12 hours |
| 23:00.08 | AnduinLothar | http://www.thottbot.com/?i=2287 |
| 23:00.26 | id` | oh |
| 23:00.30 | id` | gotta get me one o doze |
| 23:00.39 | AnduinLothar | Iriel, why don't you put THAT on the wiki? |
| 23:01.00 | id` | rings disenchanting into clam meat |
| 23:01.08 | id` | or scrolls.. |
| 23:01.23 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : Because I can't be bothered writing the code to log in there yet |
| 23:01.24 | AnduinLothar | thottbot error prolly |
| 23:01.27 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : I'll end up there eventually |
| 23:01.38 | Iriel | thottbot's enchantment information is a steaming pile of crap |
| 23:01.46 | Iriel | the thottbot database is riddled with corruption |
| 23:02.06 | AnduinLothar | ya. thott manually has to prune it |
| 23:07.35 | namxo | hum now the problem is with BuffTimers :( |
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| 23:07.47 | namxo | => when bufftimers is enable |
| 23:07.58 | Cairenn | Beladona: *hug* |
| 23:08.02 | namxo | and i see nothing strange in bufftimers code |
| 23:08.12 | Tain | Hey Beladona |
| 23:08.13 | namxo | no arg1, no unit_health, no code can interfere with my addon |
| 23:08.28 | Iriel | but event is "UNIT_HEALTH" ? |
| 23:08.36 | namxo | mine yes |
| 23:08.49 | Iriel | so when you print it, event is set, but arg1 is not?: |
| 23:09.15 | namxo | self:RegisterEvent("UNIT_HEALTH", "EventUnitHealth") |
| 23:09.20 | Iriel | Yes, but I said print it |
| 23:09.23 | namxo | function EP_VoileMortel:EventUnitHealth() |
| 23:09.23 | namxo | self.cmd:result("* ", arg1) |
| 23:09.31 | Iriel | dont JUST print arg1 |
| 23:09.32 | namxo | arg1 is nil with bufftimers enable |
| 23:09.33 | Iriel | print event as well |
| 23:09.37 | namxo | arg1 is right with buftimers disable |
| 23:09.50 | namxo | what do you want i'm print ? |
| 23:09.53 | namxo | i don't understand |
| 23:10.07 | namxo | the event ? what do you mean with that ? |
| 23:10.11 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.21 | namxo | ? hm ok.. |
| 23:10.43 | namxo | ah ah :| |
| 23:10.45 | namxo | it's work. |
| 23:10.52 | namxo | * UNIT_HEALTH = player |
| 23:10.57 | namxo | arg1 is not nil now :| |
| 23:11.02 | Iriel | well, make it fail |
| 23:11.41 | namxo | That's the problem... |
| 23:11.47 | namxo | I see that with bufftimers enable |
| 23:11.47 | namxo | :| |
| 23:12.17 | Iriel | my god, Ace.concat is awful |
| 23:13.21 | namxo | it's awesome |
| 23:13.26 | namxo | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(tostring(event).." = "..tostring(arg1)) |
| 23:13.27 | namxo | print : |
| 23:13.32 | namxo | UNIT_HEALTH = player |
| 23:13.40 | Tain | Just try to think about it in the context of when these things were written and what we all knew about Lua in WoW then, verses today. :) |
| 23:13.40 | namxo | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(tostring(arg1)) |
| 23:13.41 | namxo | print : |
| 23:13.42 | namxo | nil |
| 23:13.45 | namxo | i don't understand |
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| 23:14.15 | Iriel | The current release is dated January 2006, no excuses 8-) |
| 23:14.15 | Natasem | BAH i owe $500 to the fed tax and $450 is owned to me by State tax |
| 23:14.29 | Iriel | I usually end up the other way around, california hate me |
| 23:14.44 | Iriel | though these days I rejiggered my witholdings so they always both owe me |
| 23:15.03 | Natasem | i am in the bleepin military i dont' make squat and they have the audasity to tell me i owe them money lol |
| 23:15.14 | Guillotine | oh boy. I accidently posted a spoofed link into trade instead of guild. like 60 people reported me. A GM did tell me that spoofing links wasn't against the ToS and couldn't be actioned, but... they've been known to be inconsistent. I am now saying I got it from my lootlink. |
| 23:15.17 | namxo | anyone understand why this code do that ? |
| 23:15.32 | Tain | I withdraw my previous statement, I just looked at ace.concat() and have no comment at this time. |
| 23:15.51 | Beladona | lol Tain |
| 23:15.56 | Iriel | namxo: Are you seeing both of those at the same time? |
| 23:16.09 | namxo | both line ? |
| 23:16.29 | Beladona | ace is getting more complex every time I look at it. I am not sure using ace is good for newbie coders anymore |
| 23:16.42 | Iriel | Yes, i.e. if you do the 2 print lines you included (one with and one without event), do they show up like that the same time? |
| 23:16.51 | Iriel | Or are you trying one, restarting, then trying the other? |
| 23:17.13 | namxo | oh my god !! |
| 23:17.18 | namxo | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(tostring(arg1).." = ") |
| 23:17.20 | namxo | print : |
| 23:17.21 | namxo | player = |
| 23:17.28 | namxo | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(tostring(arg1)) |
| 23:17.30 | namxo | print : |
| 23:17.30 | namxo | nil |
| 23:17.35 | namxo | (i don't try the both line) |
| 23:17.38 | Iriel | At the same time? |
| 23:17.42 | namxo | no |
| 23:17.45 | Iriel | I.e. are you calling both without a restart between them? |
| 23:17.51 | Iriel | It's not a valid test then |
| 23:17.57 | Tain | I'm not sure if Ace was ever really "good" for newbie coders. I mean I also don't know what the original intentions of Turan were. But I don't think coding with Ace is overall "easier." |
| 23:18.06 | namxo | i call one, test, change the line, reload, test |
| 23:18.09 | Iriel | though I would be curious to know if you've got any addons which mess with AddMessage |
| 23:18.13 | Iriel | Well, put both in. |
| 23:18.30 | namxo | i've already try |
| 23:18.35 | namxo | i see the both right |
| 23:18.36 | namxo | i try again |
| 23:18.55 | namxo | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(tostring(arg1).." =") |
| 23:18.56 | namxo | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(tostring(arg1)) |
| 23:18.58 | namxo | write : |
| 23:18.59 | namxo | player = |
| 23:19.00 | namxo | player |
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| 23:19.13 | Iriel | Ok, make nil happen again then |
| 23:19.18 | namxo | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(tostring(arg1)) |
| 23:19.18 | namxo | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(tostring(arg1).." =") |
| 23:19.22 | namxo | this works too |
| 23:19.23 | namxo | player |
| 23:19.24 | namxo | player = |
| 23:19.25 | Iriel | I'd suggest seeing if it's a ReloadUI() versus logout/logi thing |
| 23:19.40 | Tain | Of course I think the last 1.x release is a couple months past, it's time to focus on 2.0 . Where's Kaelten! And Tem! And everyone else. |
| 23:19.47 | namxo | i try the both with a restart |
| 23:21.07 | namxo | ah ah |
| 23:21.13 | namxo | with a restart i see : |
| 23:21.14 | namxo | nil |
| 23:21.15 | namxo | nil = |
| 23:21.16 | namxo | :] |
| 23:21.33 | Iriel | And you have no files in Interface\FrameXML? |
| 23:21.40 | Iriel | And you have no addons that do anything to AddMessage? |
| 23:21.45 | namxo | no files. |
| 23:21.49 | namxo | maybe for addmessage |
| 23:22.05 | namxo | wait i try something, i've cleanchat since some days |
| 23:22.25 | namxo | but i don't think addmessage is the problem |
| 23:22.32 | namxo | if arg1 == "player" then |
| 23:22.35 | namxo | because this test isn't true |
| 23:22.41 | Iriel | that's true |
| 23:22.51 | Iriel | unless it's altering arg1 |
| 23:23.00 | namxo | yep ;) |
| 23:23.06 | namxo | it's very vicious if it's that :) |
| 23:23.06 | Iriel | It's got to be one of your addons editing arg1 |
| 23:23.17 | namxo | same problem without cleanchat |
| 23:23.17 | Iriel | Now, I notice you keep omitting event |
| 23:23.21 | Iriel | which is unfortunate |
| 23:23.30 | Iriel | because that would be informative |
| 23:24.10 | namxo | i don't understand xD |
| 23:24.21 | namxo | hum |
| 23:24.25 | namxo | disable cleanchat + restart |
| 23:24.26 | namxo | works |
| 23:24.29 | Iriel | i.e. print both event and arg1 |
| 23:24.31 | namxo | maybe cleanchat is the bug ;p |
| 23:24.34 | Iriel | see if both are nil, or just one |
| 23:24.37 | namxo | i've do that, it's work fine |
| 23:24.39 | namxo | event and arg1 |
| 23:24.49 | namxo | i go look the code of cleanchat |
| 23:25.47 | Iriel | yes, but WHEN arg1 is broken, is event ALSO broken? |
| 23:25.56 | namxo | not always |
| 23:25.57 | namxo | :] |
| 23:26.03 | namxo | sometimes yes, sometimes no |
| 23:26.32 | Iriel | so sometimes arg1 is nil, but event is UNIT_HEALTH |
| 23:26.36 | Iriel | and sometimes both are nil? |
| 23:26.45 | namxo | yep |
| 23:27.01 | Iriel | where did you download cleanchat from? |
| 23:27.11 | namxo | curse :] |
| 23:27.47 | Iriel | can you break it when that's the ONLY addon you have installed |
| 23:28.45 | Iriel | Hm, it's not CleanChat (assuming you're using 6a) |
| 23:30.44 | namxo | rah ! |
| 23:30.55 | namxo | now it's don't work when cleanchat is disable |
| 23:30.58 | namxo | (and i've restart !!= |
| 23:31.06 | Iriel | How many other addons do you have? |
| 23:31.11 | Iriel | I have a feeling you have a whole ton |
| 23:32.32 | namxo | no |
| 23:32.34 | namxo | wait |
| 23:32.45 | namxo | i count ;p |
| 23:32.52 | namxo | (i delog to count the activate) |
| 23:33.22 | namxo | 26 |
| 23:33.28 | namxo | Unskilled* |
| 23:33.29 | namxo | UImem |
| 23:33.31 | namxo | TipBuddy |
| 23:33.37 | namxo | Telo's Quickloot and Bufftimers |
| 23:33.40 | namxo | ResurectionWho |
| 23:33.49 | namxo | Minigroup2 and Minigroup2options |
| 23:33.51 | namxo | Low values alert |
| 23:33.55 | namxo | hitsmode |
| 23:33.57 | namxo | ep_voilemortel |
| 23:33.59 | namxo | ep_selfcast |
| 23:34.02 | namxo | ep_bestspell |
| 23:34.04 | namxo | ep_announcecast |
| 23:34.16 | namxo | (no problem with ep_*, always work when only activate them) |
| 23:34.18 | Iriel | how many of those do anything with UNIT_HEALTH? |
| 23:34.23 | namxo | developement tools |
| 23:34.29 | namxo | 4/5, no problem with them, already try |
| 23:34.32 | namxo | depositbox |
| 23:34.34 | namxo | critline |
| 23:34.38 | namxo | cooldowncount |
| 23:34.39 | namxo | confab |
| 23:34.43 | namxo | ace |
| 23:35.01 | Natasem | hAVE A GREAT WEEKEND YA'LL |
| 23:35.05 | Natasem | sorry caps |
| 23:35.20 | namxo | addon with unit_health : |
| 23:35.24 | namxo | ep_voilemortel |
| 23:35.27 | namxo | minigroup2 |
| 23:35.43 | namxo | tipbuddy |
| 23:35.46 | namxo | scroll combat text |
| 23:35.48 | namxo | mobhealth |
| 23:37.46 | Cairenn | namxo: take a screenshot of your addon folder and post it somewhere, then give the link ... you're spamming the channel |
| 23:38.03 | namxo | nobody talk ;) |
| 23:38.22 | Cairenn | and your point would be? |
| 23:38.28 | namxo | lol |
| 23:44.53 | GenNMX|Thrae | namxo: dir "C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\Interface\Addons\*." /B > uilist.txt |
| 23:45.06 | namxo | ;) |
| 23:45.08 | GenNMX|Thrae | That will give you a list of your installed addons. |
| 23:45.20 | namxo | ls -1 > list |
| 23:45.21 | namxo | :p |
| 23:45.57 | Beladona | bbs |
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