irclog2html for #wowi-lounge on 20060206

`00:00.04`	`sarf\|stuff`	`Anyhow, fasciniting how easy MC is, started with it 4 weeks ago and already on the last non-summonable boss. <wipes away tear of joy>`
`00:00.09`	`sarf\|stuff`	`Sleep well everyone!`
`00:01.16`	`Corrodias`	`yeah, WoW is starting to lose interest for me`
`00:01.36`	`Corrodias`	`it lasted twice as long as most games do, and i'll probably come back around to it in under a year, but i need a vacation`
`00:02.42`	`Corrodias`	`i have other games to play! paper mario, majora's mask (second time), megaman zero 4, x-wing alliance, civilization 4... and i keep forgetting the fifth`
`00:02.48`	`Corrodias`	`oh, that is 5`
`00:04.37`	`Kirkburn`	`What's a good prog for coding lua?`
`00:04.55`	`Wob`	`I like EditPlus`
`00:05.03`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`gvim!`
`00:05.11`	`Wob`	`But I'm sure there are some nice ones out there`
`00:05.14`	`Cide-`	`anything with (good) color coding`
`00:05.35`	`Iriel`	`I use emacs`
`00:05.38`	`Iriel`	`with lua-mode`
`00:08.04`	`Kirkburn`	`I'm starting to hate firefox`
`00:08.24`	`Maldivia`	`why?`
`00:08.35`	`Corrodias`	`because IE pleasures him sexually`
`00:08.38`	`Kirkburn`	`Because it's not showing my site properly`
`00:08.51`	`Kirkburn`	`And it follows the html 4.01 standard`
`00:08.51`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Firefox is very strict about what it allows. If you don't follow the standards to the letter, it won't work right. Internet Explorer, on the other hand, allows all kinds of errors in an effort to be "compatible".`
`00:09.02`	`futrtrubl`	`it's fine, lern2kode`
`00:09.06`	`Maldivia`	`I usually hate IE when doing HTML, since it always shows in Firefox as I expect it to`
`00:09.10`	`Corrodias`	`html 4.01 should still be okay :(`
`00:09.25`	`Kirkburn`	`Well, in my case it shows in IE perfectly, but is now broken in FF`
`00:09.28`	`Corrodias`	`make sure you're declaring that as the type or it might assume you're using xhtml 1.0 transitional or some crap, i think?`
`00:09.50`	`Maldivia`	`yeah, do you have a DOCTYPE in the beginning of the file?`
`00:10.19`	`Kirkburn`	`I do`
`00:10.27`	`Kirkburn`	`That's a point`
`00:10.28`	`Corrodias`	`do you have a fuzzy bunny?`
`00:10.42`	`Kirkburn`	`Works now`
`00:10.54`	`Kirkburn`	`So apparently it's not html 4.01`
`00:11.10`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Kirkburn: here's something else about IE. If you don't have a doctype, it'll use it's own standards. If you do, it'll still use it's own standards, just modified.`
`00:11.12`	`ScytheBlade1`	`IE is good times.`
`00:11.24`	`Kirkburn`	`Which makes no sense now ... I tested it as html 4.01 and it passed and put that as my doctype`
`00:11.43`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Also, it's "standards" change depending on which doctype you put it as, especially html 4.01 strict/transitional/etc`
`00:11.49`	`Kirkburn`	`transitional`
`00:12.09`	`Kirkburn`	`(u were going to say frameset I assume)`
`00:12.16`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yup`
`00:12.19`	`Kirkburn`	`heh`
`00:12.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It's been a while :P`
`00:12.37`	`Kirkburn`	`I've no idea what it means anyway`
`00:12.44`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I think an example of a well-done website, is actually blizzard's`
`00:12.50`	`ScytheBlade1`	`They follow 0 standards`
`00:12.55`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Have absolute horrible code`
`00:12.59`	`Wob`	`And it works =P`
`00:13.01`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Completly, just plain horrible`
`00:13.08`	`ScytheBlade1`	`But it renders identically in every browser under the sun.`
`00:13.08`	`Kirkburn`	`lol`
`00:13.23`	`Kirkburn`	`The EU website doesn't render properly`
`00:13.24`	`ScytheBlade1`	`s/every/every modern/`
`00:13.31`	`ScytheBlade1`	`The US one does`
`00:13.37`	`Wob`	`Aye, to work, you have to basically ignore any standards and tie together all the quirks for each separate browser =P`
`00:13.45`	`Kirkburn`	`Apparently we have sh*tter PCs so get a smaller view`
`00:13.48`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Exactly. Which, plain and simple, s ucks.`
`00:13.48`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`WoW Forums don't render identically in my IE and Firefox`
`00:13.57`	`ScytheBlade1`	`They're pretty dang close :P`
`00:13.59`	`Kirkburn`	`And thus with a larger view, u get a blank section in the middle`
`00:14.40`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`The Blizzard website is a bad example, you can follow good coding practices and still have something compatible, but as you said, you might need _some_ massaging`
`00:14.44`	`Maldivia`	`[pre] in Firefox vs Internet Explorer is a good example of how the forums are rendered differently`
`00:15.12`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Fair enough.`
`00:15.15`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`I still think Blizzard hired some contract web developer who's either a) payed almost nothing or b) payed too much`
`00:15.34`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Nah, it's all in-house stuff.`
`00:15.35`	`Corrodias`	`or who c) died years ago`
`00:15.38`	`Corrodias`	`and nobody knows`
`00:15.44`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`A in-house contractor, I mean`
`00:15.46`	`ScytheBlade1`	`You'd be surprised, heh`
`00:15.48`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Ah, k`
`00:15.56`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Subtle difference`
`00:16.20`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`They'd keep him under contract and not salaried just to let him know he could be let go at any minute, when they think the site is "done", letting the CMs do the rest of the updates ;)`
`00:16.25`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`00:16.28`	`Kirkburn`	`The CMs?!`
`00:16.48`	`futrtrubl`	`combat medics?`
`00:16.53`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Yes, the CMs are in charge of adding content to the website. The web developer just does maintenance and upgrades.`
`00:17.13`	`Wob`	`Content Managers`
`00:17.14`	`Kirkburn`	`But surely they don't code?`
`00:17.17`	`ScytheBlade1`	`The CMs kinda scare me`
`00:17.19`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Nooo`
`00:17.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`They don't code, oh dear no`
`00:17.39`	`Kirkburn`	`Okay, I'm getting you`
`00:17.40`	`ScytheBlade1`	`If they did, you'd actually see them on the UI forum ;)`
`00:17.42`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`You don't have to code to add text and images, I bet they use some type of backend`
`00:17.52`	`Kirkburn`	`Wonder what the forums will turn out like`
`00:18.02`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`It would be the job of the web developer to add cool stuff like Talent Calculators`
`00:18.08`	`Kirkburn`	`Still WHY does FF have to be an ass :s`
`00:18.12`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Kirkburn: off the record, I've seen a preview of th em`
`00:18.24`	`Kirkburn`	`And your view?`
`00:18.30`	`ScytheBlade1`	`They shall be teh hot.`
`00:18.33`	`ScytheBlade1`	`But that's all I can really say,`
`00:18.35`	`ScytheBlade1`	`*say.`
`00:18.35`	`Kirkburn`	`Cool`
`00:18.51`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`ScytheBlade1: Could they be released this year?`
`00:19.03`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Did you see the b.net revamp?`
`00:19.07`	`Kirkburn`	`Okay, one question - much better than standard online forums?`
`00:19.16`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`I don't read b.net forums, so no.`
`00:19.20`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Kirkburn: that's a loaded question ;)`
`00:19.31`	`ScytheBlade1`	`GenNMX\|Thrae: well, they re-vamped battle.net completly not too long ago`
`00:19.32`	`Kirkburn`	`And a good one too`
`00:19.36`	`ScytheBlade1`	`and a decent amount of the code is shared`
`00:19.42`	`ScytheBlade1`	`But it IS blizzard :P`
`00:19.47`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`ANYTHING is better then the current forums`
`00:19.57`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`They have a lot of very nasty bugs in the current forum code`
`00:20.04`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Nah. You've gotta realize what they have running behind it all`
`00:20.21`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Really, imagine their pageviews`
`00:20.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`In views alone, hammering on the MSSQL server`
`00:20.38`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I'm amazed that they stand at all :P`
`00:20.52`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`How does that excuse the bugs?`
`00:21.02`	`Kirkburn`	`The bnet forums appear to be the same as WoW forums, just look nicer`
`00:21.17`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It's really, really hard to debug a product with that many concurrent hits, without people noticing`
`00:21.34`	`ScytheBlade1`	`The "ending a post in [/quote]" bug is due to the last char, the ], which is used in MSSQL table names`
`00:21.37`	`ScytheBlade1`	`For that, there's no excuse :P`
`00:22.07`	`ScytheBlade1`	`But as far as when it happens, I dunno`
`00:22.12`	`ScytheBlade1`	`blizzard says "friday"`
`00:22.13`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`But these are bugs that have been there forever I mean.`
`00:22.18`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Obvious question would be "which?" ;)`
`00:22.36`	`Kirkburn`	`Friday sounds like a stupid day to do it`
`00:22.51`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That was an example of their "we'll have it done by X" is all`
`00:22.57`	`Kirkburn`	`ah`
`00:23.16`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Like posts becoming inoperable after 30-some pages of replies. The obvious solution would be to auto-lock the post when it reaches that point.`
`00:23.21`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That was the big war3 expansion joke`
`00:23.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`"Coming in december!" "Of which year?"`
`00:23.37`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`But I guess they can't do that, which is scarier...`
`00:23.41`	`ScytheBlade1`	`GenNMX\|Thrae: you can actually read them past that limit`
`00:23.51`	`ScytheBlade1`	`You have to abuse the find posts in some nasty ways, but you can`
`00:24.16`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And also, that point is variable`
`00:24.25`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`ScytheBlade1: Why make people go through all that trouble when you can just disallow the action?`
`00:24.41`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Ask them ;)`
`00:24.45`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`There are SOOOO many posts everyday with "XX thread is broken, start a new thread!"`
`00:24.56`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yeah, and it's just that: broken`
`00:25.25`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I have a friend who blizzard actually requested that he beta WoW`
`00:25.35`	`ScytheBlade1`	`He can login as a blue due to holes in the site :P`
`00:25.44`	`ScytheBlade1`	`(He's also rather trusted)`
`00:26.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It has more holes than... yeah :)`
`00:26.13`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`I can't believe Blizzard has complete creative freedom. Or at least I won't, that keeps my hope that the actual developers are sane, it's the publishers which are not ;)`
`00:26.43`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I'm just hopeful for SC2.`
`00:26.51`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`I have faith that most of Blizzard's problems are due to their publisher, like most game developers.`
`00:27.31`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Time will tell.`
`00:27.38`	`ScytheBlade1`	`WoW was... horrible to the storyline`
`00:28.01`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`I don't think this is an instance where time will tell if Blizzard is being beaten by their publisher.`
`00:28.17`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`How can you know about the specifics of a developer -> publisher relationship?`
`00:28.21`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Unless you're Cairenn ;)`
`00:28.24`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`00:28.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I doubt that's it`
`00:28.44`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Did you hear of the big internal breakup they had before WoW was released?`
`00:29.13`	`Kirkburn`	`I think it wasn't as bad as made out`
`00:29.18`	`ScytheBlade1`	`No, but do realize`
`00:29.27`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Yeah, but I thought the breakup was due to money and politics, not idiology.`
`00:29.31`	`ScytheBlade1`	`The minds that made SC and War1/War2/War3... left`
`00:29.34`	`Osa\|BothTeamsSuc`	`Wasn't that what led to Guild Wars being developed?`
`00:29.40`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yup`
`00:30.03`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Publishers are a game developer's government, and they control most of the money.`
`00:30.29`	`ScytheBlade1`	`True`
`00:30.40`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`They're usually to blame for stuff like breakups within medium or larger companies.`
`00:30.54`	`Kirkburn`	`Oh btw, both FF and IE mess up when I put the background-color: transparent tag in, isn't life fun`
`00:31.30`	`ScytheBlade1`	`"background-color: transparent" is valid?`
`00:31.34`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Especially with MMORPGs, where most people try to make them out to be bigger money-makers then they really are (they're one of the worst types of money-makers in game development)`
`00:31.41`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That's very true`
`00:31.51`	`ScytheBlade1`	`But... SC2? "All I can be is hopefuly"`
`00:31.53`	`ScytheBlade1`	`*hopeful`
`00:31.57`	`Kirkburn`	`Er, it isn't valid?`
`00:32.07`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Kirkburn: I don't believe so, no`
`00:32.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`try none instead of transparent`
`00:32.49`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`SC2 I think will have a good amount of development go into it, it's not like the WoW devs are working on it anyway ;)`
`00:33.01`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`SC2 would be done by the other physical branch of Blizzard`
`00:33.07`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It's not that, it's the storyline that scares me :/`
`00:33.16`	`ScytheBlade1`	`The minds who made SC... are gone`
`00:33.19`	`ScytheBlade1`	`..`
`00:33.51`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Maybe they'll have Orcs left over on Draenor as a playable race!`
`00:34.03`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`00:34.41`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Actually, I bet SC's storyline was mostly finished before Brood Wars was finished.`
`00:34.48`	`ScytheBlade1`	`One can hope`
`00:34.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`But the actual implimentation..`
`00:35.05`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`The depth in SC and Brood Wars shows a lot of foreshadowing that would be rather criminal to fake.`
`00:35.17`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Oh, agreed completly`
`00:35.23`	`Kirkburn`	`None worked :p`
`00:35.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Once my system finishes recompiling, I'm off to install SC :P`
`00:35.48`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Kirkburn: if desperate, you could always do the background image`
`00:36.03`	`ScytheBlade1`	`s/image/image trick/`
`00:36.06`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`If it wasn't completed, then I say the SC designer wasn't dependable to begin with, making up foreboding stuff on the spot`
`00:36.14`	`Kirkburn`	`Nah, I'm only putting it in for completeness`
`00:36.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Good point.`
`00:36.30`	`Kirkburn`	`My site looks like this one: soundspectrum.com`
`00:36.44`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I'm uh, in a fun 80x25 text terminal now ;)`
`00:36.46`	`ScytheBlade1`	`No GUI for me`
`00:37.08`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Kirkburn: That doesn't display properly in links =/`
`00:37.18`	`Kirkburn`	`http://www.soundspectrum.com/`
`00:37.37`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`~links`
`00:37.39`	`purl`	`Lynx-like text WWW browser. URL: http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mikulas/links/`
`00:39.04`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Due to my lack of a browser`
`00:39.07`	`ScytheBlade1`	`~slashdot`
`00:39.07`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`ScytheBlade1: Besides the original three races, what about a Protoss-Zerg hybrid and the Xel-Naga as the new SC2 races? That would follow Blizzard's trend of having one more playable race for each RTS they make. (WC2 was 2, SC was 3, WC3 was 4)`
`00:39.08`	`Kirkburn`	`I have no idea what I shoudl be saying so I'll say - that looks pointless :)`
`00:39.55`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Or, follow the trend for adding 2 more playable races to each sequel.`
`00:40.00`	`ScytheBlade1`	`GenNMX\|Thrae: semi-off topic, Wikipedia has the entire SC storyline written out in incredible detail, the N64 level only included`
`00:41.02`	`ScytheBlade1`	`The Xel'Naga... are far too secrative. They have 0 actual unit sprites in the game`
`00:41.12`	`ScytheBlade1`	`The hybrid, however, while it also has no sprites, I can see we'd at least have a model for`
`00:41.58`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Well the Undead and Night Elves were very different from their WC2 counterparts`
`00:42.25`	`Kirkburn`	`And what about Diablo III`
`00:42.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That's true, but they were still a critical part of the stroyline`
`00:42.35`	`ScytheBlade1`	`s/stroyline/storyline/`
`00:42.50`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Night Elves weren't in WC2, nor were the Scourge...`
`00:43.09`	`ScytheBlade1`	`While the same remains true of the Xel'Naga... I'm placing them in the 'races' like the Demons in War3`
`00:43.19`	`ScytheBlade1`	`NE were in the world and actively mentioned though`
`00:43.23`	`Kirkburn`	`Oh look! Utter genius! IE renders my site correctly, so does FF. But now FRONTPAGE doesn't`
`00:43.30`	`ScytheBlade1`	`...`
`00:43.33`	`ScytheBlade1`	`You're using frontpage?`
`00:43.33`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`The Xel-Naga were alluded to many times in the Protoss campaigns`
`00:43.39`	`Kirkburn`	`Yeah, don't ask`
`00:43.43`	`ScytheBlade1`	`...`
`00:43.46`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Trust me, I won't ask`
`00:43.50`	`Kirkburn`	`I'd use Dreamweaver when I get roudn to it`
`00:43.51`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I'll shoot you in the face first ;)`
`00:43.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`:)`
`00:44.09`	`Kirkburn`	`I do have it, not sure if it's with me`
`00:44.30`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Your problem isn't with FF or IE`
`00:44.35`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Bah I hope they don't make the "Xel-Naga" into "Demons", that would be adding more fantasy to science-fiction. I was hoping they were carrying it towards just some race with high biological technology trying to play god.`
`00:44.37`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Your problem is with what you're making the page in :P`
`00:44.41`	`Kirkburn`	`I must check. Perhaps my coding will thus improve :)`
`00:45.00`	`ScytheBlade1`	`GenNMX\|Thrae: I mean in the playabilty extent. Sure, they'll be in there, but not as a playable race, or anything close`
`00:45.14`	`Kirkburn`	`FP 2003 isn't that bad. Anyways, the problems I've been having were mostly NOT frontpage's fault`
`00:45.49`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Right, but Demons aren't playable because they are too powerful. I didn't see the Xel-Naga as being very powerful in anything except biology.`
`00:46.30`	`ScytheBlade1`	`After the protoss, they never had direct contact with anyone period, to date`
`00:46.41`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That's why I don't see them as anything close to playable`
`00:46.57`	`Kirkburn`	`Oh, no wait, You're right, it's crap. I can SEE in the code that this box has a defined background. However, just because the CSS defines the text inside as without bg, frontpage tells me it doesn't have one. huh?`
`00:47.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`:)`
`00:47.08`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Told you.`
`00:47.11`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Wait, do we know where the Zerg originated?`
`00:47.21`	`Kirkburn`	`I'm thus guessing that IE6 will mess up if I use this code`
`00:47.27`	`ScytheBlade1`	`GenNMX\|Thrae: yup. they were initially some larva on a planet.`
`00:47.55`	`ScytheBlade1`	`GenNMX\|Thrae: trust me when I say to hit up wikipedia`
`00:47.57`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`But do we know which planet?`
`00:48.00`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It's horribly detailed`
`00:48.11`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It's mentioned in SC, their home planet`
`00:48.39`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Bah I have a desire to play SC now :P`
`00:48.41`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Now now now now now`
`00:48.48`	`ScytheBlade1`	`HURRY UP GLIBC, COMPILE`
`00:49.05`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`ScytheBlade1: I'm reading the Starcraft entry and I don't see it. I just see that their main base is on Char.`
`00:49.24`	`ScytheBlade1`	`GenNMX\|Thrae: hmm, sec as I go and attempt it in lynx`
`00:49.47`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Ah wait, I'm not looking at the right spot`
`00:50.39`	`ScytheBlade1`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:51.31`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Yeah, I'm reading that and still don't see the planet the first larva were dropped on.`
`00:52.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Dropped?`
`00:52.10`	`ScytheBlade1`	`They larva were found by them`
`00:52.20`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Zerus is the planet`
`00:52.29`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`I thought the Xel-Naga created the larva from stratch?`
`00:52.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Nope.`
`00:52.45`	`ScytheBlade1`	`From that main page, under prequel, click on Xel'Naga`
`00:52.55`	`Kirkburn`	`And this was all in SC1?`
`00:53.00`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Ahh, I see.`
`00:53.11`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yes`
`00:53.36`	`Kirkburn`	`Jesus, I missed out`
`00:53.43`	`ScytheBlade1`	`haha`
`00:53.46`	`Kirkburn`	`How did I not notice all that`
`00:53.51`	`Corrodias`	`that's a lot of story for an RTS`
`00:53.57`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Actually, now that I read this article "...Zerus became the site of the ultimate defeat of the Xel'Naga race." Makes me think the Xel'Naga are most if not all extinct.`
`00:54.03`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It's a TON of story.`
`00:54.05`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Keep reading`
`00:54.11`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Heh, WC2 had just as much story, if not more.`
`00:54.21`	`Corrodias`	`stfu`
`00:54.29`	`Kirkburn`	`Even if it has mostly changed now`
`00:55.43`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`What has changed?`
`00:55.49`	`Kirkburn`	`Er`
`00:56.00`	`Kirkburn`	`Well, were they Alexstrazas dragons in WC2?`
`00:56.09`	`Kirkburn`	`Or were they just 'dragons'`
`00:57.00`	`Corrodias`	`i can't spend so much time thinking about the story of a couple of games. there are too many games to play for that. :(`
`00:57.12`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Besides some minor details, WoW has only added to the backstory, hence why it's called "WORLD of Warcraft". But I'd have to get back to you on that particular fact.`
`00:57.47`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Minor details?`
`00:57.49`	`Kirkburn`	`heh`
`00:57.51`	`ScytheBlade1`	`The corruption of Stormwind?`
`00:57.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`...`
`00:58.02`	`ScytheBlade1`	`How is that "minor"? ;)`
`00:58.10`	`Kirkburn`	`Who's Onyxia?`
`00:58.20`	`Osa\|BothTeamsSuc`	`Stormwind was retaken in WC2... :P`
`00:59.05`	`Kirkburn`	`Okay here's a question for you buffs: what are the 7 human kingdoms?`
`00:59.22`	`Kirkburn`	`are/were`
`00:59.38`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`The ones that Sauron gave the rings to? ;)`
`00:59.58`	`Kirkburn`	`Is that u trying to change the subject?`
`01:00.22`	`Corrodias`	`i see what you did there`
`01:00.26`	`Kirkburn`	`C'mon giev me answers`
`01:00.33`	`cladhair1`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/The_Seven_Kingdoms`
`01:00.38`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`No, I didn't know there were 7 in Warcraft too. There are 7 in Tolkein...`
`01:00.51`	`Kirkburn`	`Dammit cladhaire`
`01:00.58`	`cladhair1`	`=)`
`01:01.01`	`Corrodias`	`stormwind, lordaeron, atlantis, xanadu, timbuktu, eden, and heaven`
`01:01.04`	`Kirkburn`	`They were supposed to name them`
`01:01.41`	`cladhaire`	`well now they can =)`
`01:01.44`	`Kirkburn`	`Off the top of my head I can think of, sw, lordaeron, dalaran, alterac, stromgarde, the peninsula who's name I've totally forgotten`
`01:01.53`	`cladhaire`	`what makes a buff is not memorizatino.. its using your resources =)`
`01:01.54`	`Kirkburn`	`And the island`
`01:01.59`	`Kirkburn`	`Which I've also forgotten`
`01:02.04`	`Corrodias`	`ywah, warcraft has a good story behind it, which could be pretty entertaining to read. not unlike the elder scrolls games.`
`01:02.10`	`Corrodias`	`YWAH!`
`01:02.12`	`Kirkburn`	`Ah, gilneas and kul tiras`
`01:02.20`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`cladhaire: I think he meant "trivia buff" ;)`
`01:02.35`	`cladhaire`	`my mom sleeps in the buff`
`01:02.36`	`Kirkburn`	`Kul Tiras may have been taken by naga, but is unlikely. Lots of sailors`
`01:02.44`	`Maldivia`	`hmm... Rolling Stones doing the half-time show... let's hope there's no wardrobe malfunction this year...`
`01:02.44`	`Codayus`	`On an unrelated note - anyone else seriously looking forward to the release of Oblivion?`
`01:02.50`	`Kirkburn`	`mmm`
`01:02.54`	`Osa\|BothTeamsSuc`	`Lordaeron, Stormwind, Dalaran, Alterac, Gilneas, and I can't remember the last two`
`01:03.12`	`Kirkburn`	`Lol Osa, Kul Tiras and Strom(garde)`
`01:03.27`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Wardrobe Malfunction! That would be a good name for the error you get when you try to change armour during combat...`
`01:03.32`	`Corrodias`	`i am... but i'll have to buy my new computer by then, Codayus`
`01:03.43`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`"You incur a wardrobe malfuction -- you cannot change armour in combat."`
`01:03.44`	`Codayus`	`I may have to as well. We'll see. :-/`
`01:03.45`	`Corrodias`	`and it pops up some nipples so you can't see what you're doing`
`01:03.59`	`Corrodias`	`but you won't care`
`01:04.28`	`Maldivia`	`well, what would be most disturbing, Janet Jacksons nipple, or Mick Jaggers?`
`01:04.53`	`Codayus`	`Maldivia: That's easy, it'd be...hmm. Well... Okay, tough call.`
`01:04.58`	`Corrodias`	`george W bush`
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`01:07.43`	`Kirkburn`	`Woo, I just found holding down ctrl opens a new tab. Woo.`
`01:08.54`	`Kirkburn`	`Anyways, I must be off`
`01:09.08`	`Kirkburn`	`Byee`
`01:24.02`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`.0000000000000`
`01:24.13`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`cat`
`01:24.54`	`Wob`	`mew`
`01:44.05`	`futrtrubl`	`hiss`
`01:53.36`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Hmm, it's always interesting to catch up on new fansub releases after a little break`
`01:54.04`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`"Karin, a female vampire who produces blood instead of sucking it out of her victim" <-- interesting quirk`
`01:57.58`	`Corrodias`	`i produce blood, too, but only when i'm bleeding`
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`02:07.52`	`Wob`	`omg`
`02:07.54`	`Wob`	`I have about 3/4 of a small container of Vegemite and while I enjoy it on toast or triscuits with either jelly or cheese - I want to try something else using it.`
`02:08.02`	`Wob`	`(quote from a LJ)`
`02:08.09`	`Wob`	`Sacrilige!`
`02:08.52`	`Wob`	`I can see all the aussies reading that post shuddering in disgust =P`
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`02:28.46`	`futrtrubl`	`jelly? ewe`
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`02:52.38`	`kremonte`	`woops`
`02:52.44`	`futr`	`;']`
`02:53.02`	`futr`	`it's all in good pun`
`02:53.17`	`kremonte`	`silly kittens`
`02:53.21`	`kremonte`	`dying in the field like that`
`02:53.48`	`futr`	`they should protect themselves`
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`03:13.08`	`End-crazyhat`	`FEAR MY CRAZYHAT. that is all.`
`03:16.53`	`futr`	`ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....................... no`
`03:21.10`	`Tem`	`Iriel: you around?`
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`03:22.30`	`Shouryuu`	`rawr`
`03:22.52`	`Iriel`	`I am`
`03:28.12`	`Tem`	`Iriel: you have a typo in the 1.10 changes thread`
`03:28.21`	`Iriel`	`Inthe first post?`
`03:28.24`	`Iriel`	`or another one?`
`03:28.35`	`Tem`	`you have LayoutFrame:GetAllPoints() where it whould be LayoutFrame:GetNumPoints()`
`03:28.38`	`Tem`	`(first post)`
`03:29.16`	`Iriel`	`Aha, cheers`
`03:29.38`	`Tem`	`just noticed it earlier today when I was reading over the changes`
`03:29.40`	`Iriel`	`I'll change it as soon as I get logged in`
`03:30.44`	`Iriel`	`Fixed`
`03:31.17`	`Tain`	`Do we know yet if there will be a way to tell programmatically whether or not a frame was defined in XML or it was created "dynamically?"`
`03:32.54`	`Iriel`	`I would hope not`
`03:34.04`	`futrtrubl`	`hook CreateFrame() and make a list ;']`
`03:34.28`	`Tain`	`:(`
`03:34.34`	`Iriel`	`Why would you care?`
`03:34.45`	`Iriel`	`(And you could hook CreateFrame to just set a flag on all the created ones)`
`03:35.48`	`Tain`	`Addons that move/size/etc. frames can have issues since the frames may not exist yet when their settings are applied.`
`03:36.08`	`Iriel`	`But the same is going to apply for LoD frames`
`03:36.11`	`Tain`	`It's an issue with ondemand frames too.`
`03:36.16`	`futrtrubl`	`they can just see if the frame exists before applying`
`03:36.55`	`Tain`	`Yes of course that's stating the obvious.`
`03:37.02`	`Iriel`	`though I guess WHEN is an issue`
`03:37.04`	`Tain`	`But it just avoids it.`
`03:37.11`	`Iriel`	`with LOD you can at least wait for ADDON_LOADED`
`03:37.20`	`futrtrubl`	`hook, createframe to know when it is made, wait a bit then apply settings`
`03:37.21`	`Maldivia`	`hmm, good you mentioned it - reminds me to make an "anchor" frame in XML, to be UserPlaced(), when converting my mod to dynamic creating for 1.10`
`03:37.22`	`Tain`	`The when is the issue. Even today, it just becomes more of one with dynamic frames.`
`03:37.31`	`Iriel`	`with dynamic frames, you dont know when.. i suspect a hook of CreateFrame combined with an OnUpdater`
`03:37.46`	`Iriel`	`will give you a solution, albeit a bit messy`
`03:39.53`	`Tain`	`Yeah.`
`03:39.58`	`futrtrubl`	`Maldivia, or reme,ber the placement yourself`
`03:40.20`	`futrtrubl`	`the new anchor methods will help with that`
`03:41.10`	`Tain`	`A mod can have its frames positions remembered now, it's for ones that don't.`
`03:41.46`	`futrtrubl`	`yup, that's what I'm saying`
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`04:10.58`	`Shouryuu`	`anyone heard of linux on Ipod? Does it work well?`
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`04:32.16`	`Shouryuu`	`so no opinions on linux on ipod?`
`04:32.44`	`Iriel`	`no idea, I use my iPod on my windows machine`
`04:33.16`	`Shadowd`	`Same. It doesn't look that bad, but I don't see why you would do that, doesn't look like theres any amazing benifits to it.`
`04:33.37`	`Shouryuu`	`jsut for change :P`
`04:34.03`	`Shadowd`	`Will the iTunes software still work with Linux iPod?`
`04:34.21`	`Shouryuu`	`don't think so`
`04:34.59`	`Shadowd`	`Sounds like it's more trouble then it's worth`
`04:35.08`	`Shouryuu`	`hehe`
`04:35.25`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Wait - with Linux iPod?`
`04:35.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Huh?`
`04:35.39`	`Shadowd`	`You can put Linux onto iPod's`
`04:35.50`	`ScytheBlade1`	`yeah... and it's nearly useless due to processor or lack thereof`
`04:36.00`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I thought you meant synching an iPod with a linux desktop, haha`
`04:36.39`	`Shadowd`	`The people who did it probably just tried it for the sake of saying "We put Linux onto an iPod" I can hardly see any benifits from doing so though.`
`04:37.19`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Pretty much.`
`04:37.55`	`ScytheBlade1`	`They had to extract it's BIOS by putting it into debug mode, listening for clicks, and timing it so that click = 1, no click = 0`
`04:38.03`	`ScytheBlade1`	`and assembling the BIOS in binary :P`
`04:38.15`	`ScytheBlade1`	`They did it just to say that they could :)`
`04:38.17`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And it said a lot :)`
`04:38.27`	`Shadowd`	`And because they had to much free time apparently`
`04:38.45`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yeah. Then they had to take the tape and play it back to assemble it.`
`04:38.46`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Scary stuff.`
`04:39.17`	`Shadowd`	`Can you even put it back to the way it was? The tools they had don't restore BIOS if I recall.`
`04:40.37`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It was the raw software that powers the iPod`
`04:40.44`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Whatever that may be`
`04:40.49`	`Shadowd`	`ahhh`
`04:41.11`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I called it BIOS for lack of a better term`
`04:41.17`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Firmware, actually, would be better`
`04:42.59`	`Tain`	`Robot Chicken is the funney.`
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`04:44.44`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`"While private gunrunners continue to thrive, the world's biggest arms suppliers are the U.S., U.K., Russia, France and China. They are also the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council."`
`04:44.55`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`interesting movie`
`04:47.52`	`Cairenn`	`and hi again all`
`04:48.19`	`Wobster`	`y'lo Cair =)`
`04:48.19`	`Shouryuu`	`hello`
`04:50.54`	`Iriel`	`How was dinner?`
`04:51.31`	`Cairenn`	`yummy`
`04:51.56`	`Cairenn`	`Chinese food and Irish Creme Cheesecake for dessert :)`
`04:52.50`	`Cairenn`	`lalala`
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`04:54.54`	`Iriel`	`Odd combination`
`04:55.33`	`Cairenn`	`aye, seems it on the surface, but actually complimented quite nicely`
`04:56.13`	`Cairenn`	`but oh my ... had to undo the button on my jeans ;)`
`04:56.25`	`ScytheBlade1`	`...`
`04:56.32`	`Cairenn`	`ate way too much`
`04:56.40`	`ScytheBlade1`	`my WoW is dead...`
`04:56.41`	`ScytheBlade1`	`joy`
`04:56.50`	`Cairenn`	`that sucks, ScytheBlade1`
`04:56.55`	`AnduinLothar`	`my joy is dead...`
`04:56.57`	`AnduinLothar`	`wow`
`04:57.00`	`Shouryuu`	`lol`
`04:57.01`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`04:57.02`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`04:57.08`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That's an obsession for you`
`04:57.42`	`AnduinLothar`	`anyone wanna break a test version of the cosmos patcher for me?`
`04:58.04`	`Cairenn`	`sure`
`04:58.21`	`Cairenn`	`I haven't broken anything in a while`
`04:58.34`	`AnduinLothar`	`shouldn't be hard. dunno if it's been tested`
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`04:58.56`	`Cairenn`	`so what would you like me to do to it to break it?`
`04:59.12`	`KarlKFI`	`offering`
`05:00.17`	`AnduinLothar`	`everything you can think of.. installing to an empty folder, no interface folder, on top of regular addons, uninstalling, installing to the disable folder, cleaning, installing only part..`
`05:00.39`	`AnduinLothar`	`unpatching on a 2nd install..`
`05:00.52`	`AnduinLothar`	`various combos of configs`
`05:01.08`	`AnduinLothar`	`always file check option..`
`05:01.10`	`Shadowd`	`Can you install, cancel mid way and install on top of that, or does it lock?`
`05:01.11`	`AnduinLothar`	`w/e`
`05:01.33`	`AnduinLothar`	`if you cancil mid way it reverts unless you force quit the app`
`05:01.46`	`Shadowd`	`ah`
`05:01.51`	`AnduinLothar`	`cause it downloads to a cache first`
`05:02.01`	`AnduinLothar`	`so the install is really just moving files around`
`05:02.18`	`AnduinLothar`	`with some file checking to make .prepatch files`
`05:02.44`	`AnduinLothar`	`which can be used for unpatching the latest dl`
`05:03.38`	`AnduinLothar`	`it prolly wont be all that hard to break. I've only really done testing on Mac and i dunno how well the author tested the exe`
`05:04.50`	`AnduinLothar`	`change log since the last windows patch is like 150 lines long... complete rewrite`
`05:05.17`	`AnduinLothar`	`Also not sure if the thottbot upload is actually working`
`05:05.31`	`AnduinLothar`	`but you wont be able to tell that offhand anyway`
`05:09.15`	`Cairenn`	`Karl - won't actually get to try to break this until tomorrow, just realized how late it is`
`05:09.23`	`AnduinLothar`	`meh`
`05:09.32`	`Cairenn`	`that okay?`
`05:09.40`	`AnduinLothar`	`w/e`
`05:09.43`	`AnduinLothar`	`email me`
`05:09.44`	`Cairenn`	`k`
`05:10.58`	`Shouryuu`	`in maths, would tables be the apllication of a set towards a another set?`
`05:12.25`	`Shouryuu`	`hehe`
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`05:35.05`	`Shadowd`	`What post is it this time Cairenn? Buff? Nerfs? "Exploits"?`
`05:35.22`	`Cairenn`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=314880&p=1&tmp=1#post314880`
`05:35.33`	`AnduinLothar`	`hey. that's not sleep`
`05:35.54`	`ScytheBlade1`	`You figured it out!`
`05:36.00`	`ScytheBlade1`	`We'd better kill him`
`05:36.02`	`ScytheBlade1`	`He knows too much`
`05:36.28`	`Cairenn`	`I didn't say I was going to bed right away, just that I don't have enough time to properly devote to breaking it`
`05:36.34`	`Shadowd`	`That or people who read the posts about what makes something legal in WoW too`
`05:36.51`	`Cairenn`	`errr, "trying" to break it ;)`
`05:47.07`	`kremonte`	`lalala`
`05:47.12`	`kremonte`	`what are you breaking cair`
`05:47.23`	`kremonte`	`boo`
`05:47.27`	`Cairenn`	`Cosmos patcher, tomorrow`
`05:47.31`	`kremonte`	`i need late night entertainmenT!`
`05:47.33`	`kremonte`	`oh i can't break that`
`05:47.34`	`Cairenn`	`sleep soon`
`05:47.38`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Wait, define 'breaking'`
`05:47.45`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Any details on what exactly that entails?`
`05:48.06`	`Shadowd`	`Making it not work?`
`05:48.14`	`Cairenn`	`read up about 20 lines :p`
`05:48.39`	`Shadowd`	`Making it so it doesn't do what it was designed to I'd imagine.`
`05:48.44`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Oh`
`05:48.47`	`ScytheBlade1`	`So like`
`05:48.53`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Not re-writing the packets :P`
`05:48.55`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Never mind`
`05:48.59`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`05:49.13`	`AnduinLothar`	`not maliciously breaking...`
`05:49.17`	`AnduinLothar`	`dork...`
`05:49.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`'Break the updater' 'Okay, let's see how it likes downloading a few megs of NULLs..'`
`05:49.28`	`AnduinLothar`	`this is the dev channel not wowhackers`
`05:49.50`	`Shadowd`	`Maybe he's in both and got it confused`
`05:49.52`	`Cairenn`	`lol, although we've had folks think it's a hacker channel :p`
`05:50.02`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Sadly enough, I'm not surprised`
`05:50.32`	`Shadowd`	`"lounge" can mean mayne things!`
`05:50.39`	`Shadowd`	`Assuming I spelled that right of course.`
`05:53.51`	`Cairenn`	`so by the lack of comment to my first statement (quote) when I got back, I have to presume no one else has watched that movie?`
`05:54.27`	`AnduinLothar`	`nope`
`05:55.54`	`Cairenn`	`Lord of War, it's actually pretty good`
`05:56.04`	`Cairenn`	`definitely make you sit back and think about a few things`
`05:56.52`	`Shouryuu`	`oh`
`05:57.00`	`Shouryuu`	`that movie`
`05:57.23`	`Shouryuu`	`haven't seen it, but it does look quite nice`
`05:57.26`	`Cairenn`	`it's good`
`06:03.19`	`Cairenn`	`although, don't watch it if you have a weak stomach or are easily upset`
`06:03.37`	`Shouryuu`	`I can watch I guess then`
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`06:19.06`	`Cairenn`	`okay, this is ridiculous, I'm falling asleep at the keyboard ... night guys`
`06:19.17`	`Shadowd`	`night`
`06:19.59`	`Shouryuu`	`night`
`06:31.21`	`Tem`	`must stop clicking "next commic"`
`06:31.31`	`Tem`	`I`
`06:31.33`	`kremonte`	`stop tem`
`06:31.33`	`Tem`	`can't`
`06:31.33`	`Shouryuu`	`lol`
`06:31.34`	`kremonte`	`STOP FOR ALL`
`06:31.34`	`Tem`	`stop`
`06:31.35`	`Tem`	`it!`
`06:31.36`	`kremonte`	`THAT IS GOOD`
`06:31.46`	`Tain`	`For great justice.`
`06:31.48`	`kremonte`	`tem if you don't stop`
`06:31.51`	`kremonte`	`i will make a pun`
`06:31.54`	`kremonte`	`and LOOK AT THE FRIGGIN TOPIC`
`06:32.05`	`kremonte`	`tem?`
`06:32.26`	`Iriel`	`Yay, finally got a format I think I like for my page`
`06:32.35`	`Iriel`	`http://www.iriel.org/misc/markup/`
`06:32.40`	`kremonte`	`grr tem. you have a temendous problem with webcomics`
`06:32.43`	`Tem`	`gah! again!`
`06:32.55`	`Tem`	`in the last 2 days I've read over 4 years of PA, PVP, and the one with the cats`
`06:33.04`	`Iriel`	`vgcats?`
`06:33.04`	`Tem`	`I'm so ashamed`
`06:33.07`	`Tem`	`yes, that's the one`
`06:33.12`	`kremonte`	`tem what's your WoW PW`
`06:33.12`	`Shouryuu`	`now now...`
`06:33.17`	`Iriel`	`vgcats is so wrong, and yet so good.`
`06:33.22`	`kremonte`	`i'll delete your toep for you to punish you. :]`
`06:33.43`	`Tem`	`kremonte: no! Bad wanna-be-mage`
`06:34.16`	`kremonte`	`i got a soul fire crit for 13000 today ><`
`06:34.29`	`kremonte`	`das no wana bea!`
`06:34.30`	`Tem`	`on a mob with negative fire resistance`
`06:34.37`	`Shouryuu`	`lol`
`06:34.38`	`kremonte`	`no. just incredible fire vulnerability :]`
`06:34.57`	`Tem`	`I crit for 2k on a regular basis`
`06:35.00`	`kremonte`	`it was nice today`
`06:35.05`	`Shadowd`	`BWL mob?`
`06:35.09`	`kremonte`	`he went from fire to shadow to fire to shadow to fire to shadow`
`06:35.14`	`kremonte`	`second from last BWL boss, yea`
`06:35.14`	`Tem`	`twice every minute and a half usually`
`06:35.18`	`Shadowd`	`Ah chromaggus`
`06:35.48`	`kremonte`	`at 2% my internet skipped up and i lagged, couldn't get out of acid and died immediately. :'(`
`06:36.11`	`Shadowd`	`Yeah, watching the hunters die during Chromaggus is always fun`
`06:36.22`	`kremonte`	`better to watch the hunters cry on vent on nef :')`
`06:36.51`	`Shadowd`	`When learning nef we ( the rogues ) just went and made a sandwich after our class call :p`
`06:36.59`	`Shadowd`	`the one time they did res us we all died like 20 seconds later :D`
`06:36.59`	`kremonte`	`lol`
`06:37.11`	`kremonte`	`haha`
`06:37.13`	`kremonte`	`i love lock nef call`
`06:37.28`	`kremonte`	`but because of that, i give my mage friend a major mana pot every time we go :'(`
`06:37.45`	`Shadowd`	`Start giving him the level 5 mana potions until he gets the hint`
`06:38.00`	`kremonte`	`he's my black market water supplied`
`06:38.03`	`Tem`	`how does the nef fight work?`
`06:38.17`	`kremonte`	`you fight drakonoids that walk funny for a few minutes`
`06:38.23`	`kremonte`	`nef lands and does a kabillion damage to people`
`06:38.38`	`kremonte`	`you dps while hunters cry and laugh histerically at their pain until 20~%`
`06:38.46`	`Shadowd`	`Then you fight nef ( giant pissed off dragon ) who does class calls which effect each class differently. Like the hunter call breaks there bow/gun if they shoot him and the rogues get rooted in front of him.`
`06:38.51`	`kremonte`	`you aoe a bunch of skeletons then cry yourself because they all destroy you`
`06:38.59`	`kremonte`	`then you kill him and go "yay" in /g`
`06:39.16`	`kremonte`	`i still like my call`
`06:39.18`	`Shadowd`	`Seeing if you can kill people during the priest call is fun!`
`06:39.20`	`kremonte`	`warlocks all summon infernals`
`06:39.39`	`Tem`	`what's the priest call?`
`06:39.47`	`kremonte`	`makes them heal nef or somethin`
`06:39.53`	`Shouryuu`	`lol`
`06:39.55`	`Shadowd`	`Puts a DoT on the person you healed that does something like 600 damage a tick and it stacks.`
`06:39.56`	`kremonte`	`or their heals do damage`
`06:40.00`	`kremonte`	`yeah that`
`06:40.08`	`kremonte`	`you know what would be funny`
`06:40.13`	`kremonte`	`if instead of those , he had BWL calls`
`06:40.15`	`Shadowd`	`DoTing all the rogues during the call?`
`06:40.16`	`kremonte`	`where he'd res every BWL boss`
`06:40.40`	`Shadowd`	`Yeah you can do that actually. It's called pulling the chromaggus lever after broodlord.`
`06:40.42`	`kremonte`	`"20%!!! Chromaggus hits you for 4230 (crushing)"`
`06:40.46`	`Shadowd`	`That was fun!`
`06:40.50`	`kremonte`	`hahahahaha`
`06:40.57`	`kremonte`	`can't do that as a warlock ;(`
`06:41.26`	`Shadowd`	`Theres just something tempting about that lever. You see the giant pissed off dog next to it and you just think that nothing bad will happen, and then couriosity gets the better of you and you pull it.`
`06:41.37`	`kremonte`	`haha`
`06:41.59`	`kremonte`	`we tried something new today, we summoned the rogue pulling the lever before he did, so he could pull and try to accept before he was in combat`
`06:42.11`	`kremonte`	`he was so freaked out (it was his first time in chrom fight) he accepted the summon early`
`06:42.13`	`kremonte`	`....4 times`
`06:42.23`	`Shadowd`	`haha`
`06:42.38`	`kremonte`	`then we said "f it" and he got 1 shotted with a crit`
`06:43.01`	`kremonte`	`(apparently gigantic multicolored acid breathing flesh eating dogs run more than twice as fast as you)`
`06:43.14`	`kremonte`	`sooooo yeah`
`06:43.29`	`Shadowd`	`Thats better then making a rogue pull, and the hunter whos suppose to pull him off the MT waits until the rogue dies.`
`06:43.37`	`Shadowd`	`*off to the MT`
`06:43.59`	`kremonte`	`nah we <3 our hunters too much`
`06:44.32`	`kremonte`	`we wiped on nef cause we were missing a hunter. he got on after the queue and a bunch of people on vent went, "WE WIPED BECAUSE OF YOU, HOW DO YOU FEEL NOW?!"`
`06:44.41`	`kremonte`	`gah i need less caffiene`
`06:45.01`	`Shadowd`	`How did you wipe on nef without a hunter?`
`06:45.28`	`kremonte`	`we didn't really ;D we were just screwing with him`
`06:45.45`	`kremonte`	`but we did wipe cause we've only done nef 3 times including today, and the two first were black/green`
`06:45.53`	`Shadowd`	`Was going to say, what kind of strat are you using!`
`06:46.09`	`kremonte`	`we're using HIF`
`06:46.37`	`Shadowd`	`HIF?`
`06:47.06`	`kremonte`	`Hunter Intensive Fight. we get twelve hunters on each side (24 total), and have them use volley because volley is amazing.`
`06:47.33`	`Shadowd`	`wow, usually just used single target and burned them down`
`06:47.48`	`kremonte`	`you couldn't tell that was a joke? :(`
`06:47.54`	`kremonte`	`a bad one, but it was!`
`06:48.14`	`Shadowd`	`It wouldn't suprise me if it was true!`
`06:48.21`	`kremonte`	`..;(`
`06:48.31`	`kremonte`	`are you makign fun of me? :(((`
`06:48.36`	`Shadowd`	`nope`
`06:48.42`	`Tem`	`Iriel: what are you planning to do with Iriel.org?`
`06:49.18`	`kremonte`	`i need an idea to make an addon, gah!`
`06:49.21`	`Iriel`	`Tem: I primarily imagined it as a dumping ground for all sorts of code snippets I come up with while figuring stuff out.`
`06:49.23`	`kremonte`	`my UI feels somehow..incomplete...`
`06:49.33`	`Iriel`	`Tem: Beyond that, I dunno 8-)`
`06:49.44`	`Shadowd`	`Get nurfed UI or something!`
`06:49.53`	`kremonte`	`that's a sin`
`06:49.58`	`kremonte`	`D;`
`06:49.59`	`Tem`	`Iriel: sure seems like a complex system you have set up for something that "simple"`
`06:50.02`	`kremonte`	`i need to make my UI myself!`
`06:50.09`	`kremonte`	`i use 0 visible mods ><`
`06:50.12`	`Tem`	`Iriel: or was that the fun part?`
`06:50.12`	`kremonte`	`well, bsides titan`
`06:50.39`	`Shadowd`	`I mostly just use the standard UI, CTRA, CT_Whatever and anything else is random stuff i make`
`06:51.21`	`kremonte`	`see that's what i do`
`06:51.26`	`kremonte`	`but i have nothing to make! incompleeeeeeeete`
`06:51.53`	`Shadowd`	`go break something and see if you can fix it!`
`06:52.06`	`Iriel`	`That was _a_ fun part.`
`06:52.16`	`Iriel`	`That bit boils down to 'i'm lazy'`
`06:52.23`	`kremonte`	`i'm very bad at breaking things`
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`06:52.36`	`Iriel`	`i dont want to screw around getting full blown HTML pages right, and I hate manually doing stuff like page nav`
`06:52.37`	`wowguru-4432`	`hello`
`06:53.08`	`Iriel`	`I probably should just have used cocoon or something, but this was interesting and wasn't all that hard. 90% of the "work" was learning more about CSS or figuring out how to get XSLT to behave`
`06:53.08`	`wowguru-4432`	`hello`
`06:53.18`	`wowguru-4432`	`sit`
`06:53.28`	`wowguru-4432`	`shit i mean`
`06:53.48`	`wowguru-4432`	`stu[id ass taren`
`06:54.03`	`Tem`	`anway, looks cool so far Iriel. I've got to head out before I hit "next" on another webcomic`
`06:54.08`	`Tem`	`later peope`
`06:54.12`	`Shadowd`	`later`
`06:54.20`	`Tem`	`s/ope/ople/`
`06:54.35`	`Shadowd`	`Tem it's not bad until you've gone through about 5 web comics, and you memorised them all.`
`06:54.42`	`Shadowd`	`( or you've gone through it for the second time )`
`06:55.01`	`wowguru-4432`	`pussy fuck`
`06:55.15`	`Shadowd`	`...`
`06:55.18`	`*** kick/#wowi-lounge [wowguru-4432!n=Cairenn@CPE001217452e29-CM014500004571.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] by Cairenn\|sleep (Cairenn\|sleep)`
`06:55.29`	`Tem\|sleep`	`wowguru-4432: do you have some reason for being here, or are you just here to make my eyes bleed?`
`06:55.39`	`Tem\|sleep`	`oh thanks Cairenn\|sleep`
`06:55.47`	`Shadowd`	`Cairenn\|sleep lied again!`
`06:55.54`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`I swear, but geez`
`06:56.16`	`kremonte`	`TEMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM`
`06:56.18`	`AnduinLothar`	`Sleep talking again.. and kicking..`
`06:56.29`	`AnduinLothar`	`You're not so good at this sleep thing..`
`06:56.37`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`nope`
`06:56.43`	`Shadowd`	`It's over rated anyway, it cuts into playing WoW.`
`06:56.51`	`Tem\|sleep`	`So addicted`
`06:56.54`	`kremonte`	`seriously ><`
`06:56.56`	`Tem\|sleep`	`can't help myself`
`06:57.00`	`kremonte`	`i was asleep 4 hours ago`
`06:57.01`	`Tem\|sleep`	`next`
`06:57.02`	`kremonte`	`i have class in 4 hours`
`06:57.17`	`kremonte`	`now i'm running around stormwind trying to find an enchanter for my new robe ><`
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`06:58.58`	`Tem\|sleep`	`I'm going to be linking this comic in all decursive threads from now on`
`06:58.59`	`Tem\|sleep`	`http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/12/13`
`06:59.06`	`kremonte`	`TEM OPMG`
`06:59.23`	`Tem\|sleep`	`(s/tribes \d/decursive/g)`
`06:59.25`	`kremonte`	`STGIOPR REAINDG COMSGINCS'`
`06:59.55`	`Shadowd`	`Which one Tem? The "is it illegal" ones?`
`07:00.08`	`kremonte`	`DECURSIVER BANED`
`07:00.10`	`kremonte`	`etc`
`07:00.48`	`Tem\|sleep`	`OMGEES!11!!one1eleven! I GOT BAND 4 MODZ`
`07:01.02`	`kremonte`	`yea`
`07:01.04`	`kremonte`	`a mod that you know`
`07:01.07`	`kremonte`	`makes you run faster`
`07:01.17`	`kremonte`	`ALREADY DEAD`
`07:01.29`	`Tem\|sleep`	`(see the last link I posted)`
`07:01.31`	`Shadowd`	`haha`
`07:03.25`	`sancus`	`people still make decursive threads? lol`
`07:03.46`	`Shadowd`	`Decursive is a good way to "hide" the fact that they got banned for 3rd party addons of course`
`07:03.59`	`sancus`	`you mean hacks`
`07:04.10`	`Shadowd`	`yes, yes I do`
`07:04.14`	`sancus`	`all addons are 3rd party cept the bliz ones :P`
`07:04.24`	`Shadowd`	`You know what I meant! :p`
`07:04.52`	`sancus`	`yeah I'm just vaguely annoyed by the way people use "3rd party apps" to refer to a specific category of them`
`07:22.53`	`Shadowd`	`Hmm. What good is being able to write an addon if you can't figure out some crazy idea to add to it at 12 AM`
`07:23.13`	`[MoonWolf]`	`no good at all Shadowd`
`07:24.32`	`Shadowd`	`well damn!`
`07:29.01`	`AnduinLothar`	`Any suggestion on the best enchant for dps for a slow 2h?`
`07:29.51`	`AnduinLothar`	`Crusader still best or is a +str or +agil better?`
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`07:30.31`	`Shadowd`	`Crusader`
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`07:31.34`	`Shadowd`	`Only people I see using AGI are usually hunters or rogues. And i rarely see people using STR.`
`07:32.04`	`kremonte`	`warriors =P`
`07:32.07`	`Kalroth`	`warriors and rogues use STR`
`07:32.37`	`Kalroth`	`1 str is 2 atk for a warrior and 1 str is 1 atk for a rogue`
`07:32.39`	`Shadowd`	`Using +15 STR enchant I mean not using STR :p`
`07:32.46`	`Kalroth`	`oh :p`
`07:33.16`	`Kalroth`	`well +15 str is worse than Crusader, so no wonder :)`
`07:33.21`	`kremonte`	`anyone know what time (oclock) darkmoon faire opens?`
`07:33.52`	`Shadowd`	`Yeah, I do see people using +15 str on 2h somewhat often though, I guess it's cheaper.`
`07:34.31`	`AnduinLothar`	`but you think crusader is better?`
`07:34.40`	`Shadowd`	`Yeah`
`07:34.56`	`Kalroth`	`yeah Shadowd, the righteous orbs can be a pain unless you got a guild that wants to help you get them :)`
`07:35.02`	`AnduinLothar`	`what about LS, has about a 1/3 chance to proc on a 3.6speed weap`
`07:35.11`	`Kalroth`	`AnduinLothar: on main hand, yes Crusader is better`
`07:35.11`	`kremonte`	`doesnt heal much at all =/`
`07:35.16`	`AnduinLothar`	`30hp i think`
`07:35.25`	`Shadowd`	`Crusader heals more then LS does, and the burst damage will basically make up for what LS does to your enemy.`
`07:35.26`	`Kalroth`	`LS heals for 30 and does 30 damage`
`07:35.37`	`AnduinLothar`	`and procs 6x more than crusader`
`07:36.08`	`Shadowd`	`True. But the burst damage is going to be more then LS. And the heal will only do about 100 more then crusader does if it heals 30 a proc.`
`07:36.10`	`Kalroth`	`Isn't lifesteal is weapon speed based though? Where Crusader is % over time.`
`07:36.17`	`zeeg`	`someone help me out`
`07:36.18`	`zeeg`	`what are some dressier shoes besides dr martins, i know what i want i just dont know where to get them or what they are`
`07:36.27`	`AnduinLothar`	`both are over time`
`07:36.30`	`Kalroth`	`zeeg: Nike!`
`07:36.30`	`zeeg`	`i see them on tv etc but no idea wtf brand theyh are`
`07:36.31`	`zeeg`	`no`
`07:36.34`	`zeeg`	`those arent dress shoes`
`07:36.34`	`zeeg`	`:P`
`07:36.43`	`Kalroth`	`zeeg: Oh? No wonder they kicked me!`
`07:36.46`	`Kalroth`	`AnduinLothar: ah ok`
`07:36.56`	`zeeg`	`lol`
`07:37.10`	`Shadowd`	`You could get like +20 SPI just to see how many people actually inspect you.`
`07:37.17`	`zeeg`	`gah`
`07:37.43`	`zeeg`	`also, who sells blazers besides AE? :P`
`07:37.47`	`zeeg`	`someone here must buy preppy clothing`
`07:38.19`	`AnduinLothar`	`20 spi on a 2h 62.6 dps would be humerous`
`07:38.39`	`Shadowd`	`What weapon did you get?`
`07:38.51`	`AnduinLothar`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:39.06`	`AnduinLothar`	`built in glow :)`
`07:39.06`	`Kalroth`	`Crusader for sure, Anduin`
`07:39.07`	`Shadowd`	`ah nice`
`07:39.26`	`AnduinLothar`	`tim to go farm fd strat`
`07:39.41`	`Kalroth`	`if you can get the orbs, otherwise +15 str I guess`
`07:39.42`	`Shadowd`	`i just bought the orbs since they didn't cost "that" much.`
`07:40.25`	`Kalroth`	`They're always nutty on my server`
`07:40.31`	`AnduinLothar`	`30g eacho n ah i think`
`07:40.41`	`Kalroth`	`yeah, 50-70g on my server :(`
`07:41.11`	`Shadowd`	`Wow, only 30g?`
`07:41.38`	`Shadowd`	`They're about 70g on Icecrown, but farming four arcane crystals isn't that hard.`
`07:43.09`	`Kalroth`	`I prefer doing Strat then :)`
`07:43.23`	`Shadowd`	`:p`
`07:43.38`	`Kalroth`	`last time we went, we cleared all of live side with 4 people; warrior, shaman, priest and mage`
`07:43.40`	`Kalroth`	`was fun :)`
`07:44.09`	`zeeg`	`ok does anyone know any other "makeover" type shows besides "extreme makeover"`
`07:44.15`	`zeeg`	`i cant remmeber the show, but it was two guys and he had the effing shoes i want`
`07:44.16`	`zeeg`	`lol`
`07:44.38`	`Kalroth`	`zeeg: whatever drugs you're on .. share!`
`07:44.44`	`zeeg`	`IM SERIOUS`
`07:44.46`	`zeeg`	`i want the effing shoes`
`07:45.18`	`AnduinLothar`	`zeeg learn google`
`07:45.27`	`zeeg`	`im trying`
`07:45.53`	`zeeg`	`omg help me`
`07:45.53`	`zeeg`	`http://www.famousfootwear.com/productimages/ff_IS29669.JPG`
`07:45.57`	`zeeg`	`it looks like that, somewhat, but not a boot`
`07:45.58`	`zeeg`	`:P`
`07:46.53`	`zeeg`	`hrm`
`07:46.57`	`zeeg`	`maybe they're these "docker" shoes`
`07:46.59`	`zeeg`	`err`
`07:47.02`	`Kalroth`	`http://pixmixer.com/uploads/images/1128409200/thumb/3730_oct2modboots5.jpg`
`07:47.03`	`zeeg`	`oxford would be the name`
`07:47.06`	`Kalroth`	`how about those?!`
`07:47.11`	`zeeg`	`oh ya those are the ones`
`07:47.19`	`Kalroth`	`I knew it, you pervert`
`07:47.31`	`zeeg`	`http://www.famousfootwear.com/product.asp?product_id=1008466&variant_id=31901`
`07:47.33`	`zeeg`	`maybe its something like those`
`07:48.02`	`Kalroth`	`it's a pair of brown shoes, what's so special about them? :po`
`07:48.25`	`Shadowd`	`Bit random but, isn't it impossible to edit the minimap so it shows the specific icon of the resource on the minimap instead of the little dot?`
`07:48.44`	`zeeg`	`cuz i dont own any like it`
`07:48.53`	`Kalroth`	`Shadowd: Gatherer does it`
`07:49.07`	`Kalroth`	`Shadowd: well simulates, because it's not flawless`
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`07:49.18`	`Shadowd`	`Ah, you mean it goes by your location and tries to guess?`
`07:49.54`	`Kalroth`	`it's pretty exact, but it doesn't update as often as Blizzards own yellow dot .. nor does it replace the yellow dot`
`07:50.04`	`dukeku`	`wc3 hard crashing me ftw :D`
`07:50.25`	`Shadowd`	`Ah I see. Could swear it wasn't possible using the standard UI to replace them completly so thats why I was wondering.`
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`07:55.13`	`zeeg`	`OMG`
`07:55.14`	`zeeg`	`i found em`
`07:55.15`	`zeeg`	`i have like`
`07:55.18`	`zeeg`	`30 firefoxes open`
`07:55.19`	`zeeg`	`but i found em`
`07:55.27`	`zeeg`	`http://www.zappos.com/n/p/dp/8242343/c/20964.html?`
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`08:02.26`	`sancus`	`http://chir.ag/stuff/sand/`
`08:03.50`	`zeeg`	`omg this stuff is expensive`
`08:03.53`	`zeeg`	`http://www.kennethcole.com/scripts/shop/product.asp?pid=6469&cc=KMSHT&title=&pw=thumbnail&var=0&srchtype=&srcharg=&size=0`
`08:03.54`	`zeeg`	`i need more money`
`08:05.26`	`Shadowd`	`Aha, found a crazy feature to add at 12 AM.`
`08:05.39`	`Shadowd`	`sancus: thats an addictive game.`
`08:06.34`	`sancus`	`yes, yes it is`
`08:06.56`	`Shadowd`	`I think I broke it. That yellow rock is now filling about 90% of the screen.`
`08:07.13`	`sancus`	`boggle`
`08:07.23`	`sancus`	`$150 for a shirt? yea ok go back to the crack house`
`08:07.35`	`sancus`	`shadowd: click salt at the bottom and salt it to death, its a slug`
`08:07.44`	`Shadowd`	`Ahhh`
`08:15.09`	`zeeg`	`wewt got my shopping list`
`08:15.19`	`zeeg`	`blazer's only $15 at old navy haha`
`08:15.23`	`zeeg`	`shoes at von maur`
`08:15.30`	`zeeg`	`and button up at hollister`
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`08:33.03`	`Shadowd`	`Crazy feature will have to wait until tomorrow I suppose. Night guys`
`08:37.45`	id`	`http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7227/untitled7gw1.png`
`08:37.46`	id`	`>_>`
`08:37.49`	id`	`im addicted`
`08:37.50`	id`	`>_>`
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`08:56.13`	id`	`haha you find out more and more`
`08:56.20`	id`	`im playing with elements :O`
`09:21.07`	`Elkano`	`and here they strike again :/ it's 'fun' to see, that your addons are working with the korean version, too ^^' http://wow.somegate.com/topic.php?topic_uid=39998`
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`09:46.00`	`elema`	`morning guys`
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`09:52.42`	`AnduinLothar`	`one orb down. one to go`
`09:52.52`	`Kalroth`	`:D`
`09:53.10`	`AnduinLothar`	`rolled 100/100 on it :)`
`09:53.19`	`AnduinLothar`	`out of a 10 man pug`
`09:57.18`	`Kalroth`	`haha`
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`11:26.13`	`Shouryuu`	`rawr`
`11:36.53`	`Shouryuu`	`my god`
`11:37.16`	`Shouryuu`	`the people who published that dumb drawing of mohamed are fucking retards`
`11:37.20`	`Shouryuu`	`fucking retards`
`11:41.23`	`Shouryuu`	`a total lack of intelligence`
`11:41.33`	`elema`	`does this work?: function OnEvent() <newline> if ( my_var1 == true ) then <newline> if ( event == "PLAYER_DEAD" ) then`
`11:41.40`	`elema`	`do somthing()`
`11:41.42`	`elema`	`end`
`11:42.28`	`elema`	`I mean, can I first ask a value of a variable and then whether the event was fired?`
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`11:56.36`	`Wob`	`elema: Yes, that shouldn't be a problem?`
`12:09.49`	`elema`	`ok, this would make the mod usable with lesser performance`
`12:12.47`	`Wob`	`To a certain degree... the function will still be called each time an event fires though`
`12:13.37`	`elema`	`it will fire evrything up to the my_var == bla or ?`
`12:13.53`	`Wob`	`yeah`
`12:13.58`	`elema`	`ok`
`12:15.37`	`Wob`	`Are you handling more than one event?`
`12:16.00`	`sarf\|sleep`	`elema> events are just another variable`
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`12:16.09`	`sarf\|stuff`	`Nothing fancy about them, really`
`12:33.55`	`Wob`	`I hate it when a concept seems simple in theory, but balloons out into obscurity when converted into code =(`
`12:34.17`	`Kalroth`	`Welcome to real life!`
`12:34.40`	`Wob`	`Feh =P`
`12:40.12`	`elema`	`another question:`
`12:40.12`	`elema`	`how do I set a text to a fintstring out of two variables?`
`12:40.12`	`elema`	`fontstriname:SetText(<whatshouldbehere);`
`12:40.19`	`elema`	`in this format`
`12:41.31`	`elema`	`I've got "BGC_AJ_EXPTIME" and the other value is "expireTime"`
`12:44.11`	`elema`	`does it work like this: :SetText(BGC_AJ_EXPTIME, expireTime); ?`
`12:45.22`	`elema`	`or: SetText(BGC_AJ_EXPTIME .. .. expireTime); ?`
`12:45.31`	`elema`	`or another way?`
`12:47.28`	`sarf\|stuff`	`there are several ways`
`12:47.41`	`sarf\|stuff`	`easiest way (if the strings "fit together") is to use`
`12:47.47`	`sarf\|stuff`	`SetText(BGC_AJ_EXPTIME .. expireTime); ?`
`12:48.12`	`sarf\|stuff`	`However, if you want to make it flexible to change, you set up BGC_AJ_EXPTIME a bit differently`
`12:48.20`	`sarf\|stuff`	`(and use format)`
`12:48.23`	`sarf\|stuff`	`What is it now?`
`12:48.42`	`sarf\|stuff`	`and also, is expire time an integer or a float ?`
`12:49.08`	`sarf\|stuff`	`Example (integer): BGC_AJ_EXPTIME = "Expiry time: %d seconds"`
`12:49.24`	`sarf\|stuff`	`Example (flat): BGC_AJ_EXPTIME = "Expiry time (%2f seconds)"`
`12:49.32`	`sarf\|stuff`	`then to put the values in the settext...`
`12:49.45`	`sarf\|stuff`	`SetText(format(BGC_AJ_EXPTIME, expireTime));`
`12:49.58`	`krka\|work`	`yup, do as sarf says`
`12:50.13`	`sarf\|stuff`	`The benefits of this is that you simply need to change BGC_AJ_EXPTIME to change how it is displayed`
`12:50.27`	`krka\|work`	`also good for localizations`
`12:50.40`	`sarf\|stuff`	`The disadvantage is, of course, higher complexity, making the code a bit more hard to understand`
`12:50.47`	`sarf\|stuff`	`<nods>`
`12:50.48`	`krka\|work`	`i disagree with that :)`
`12:50.57`	`sarf\|stuff`	`Oh?`
`12:51.16`	`sarf\|stuff`	`You will have to make another lookup to see how the text is displayed, will you not?`
`12:51.33`	`sarf\|stuff`	`Whereas A..B only can result in one type of result`
`12:51.43`	`krka\|work`	`just look at the localization to see how it's displayed`
`12:51.46`	`sarf\|stuff`	`Ah`
`12:51.53`	`sarf\|stuff`	`But it is added complexity, and lookup`
`12:52.05`	`krka\|work`	`yes, but it's not more difficult`
`12:52.44`	`sarf\|stuff`	`In any case, elema, either way, I'd recommend that you do SetText(A..B) until it works, then fix it to use format`
`12:54.39`	`krka\|work`	`agreed`
`13:00.06`	`elema`	`I've found it in another mod like this: (BGC_AJ_EXPTIME..expireTime); I'm using this, because it automatic changes the text`
`13:07.47`	`krka\|work`	`what do you mean by automatic changes the text?`
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`14:48.03`	`krka\|work`	`anyone know if UNIT_AURA fires for "mouseover"?`
`15:15.14`	`wereHamster`	`I think so..`
`15:21.12`	`Wob`	`I believe so`
`15:21.20`	`krka\|work`	`interesting!`
`15:21.27`	`krka\|work`	`so i can catch when i change mouseover targets`
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`15:31.23`	`Ktron`	`morning`
`15:31.34`	`krka\|work`	`afternoon`
`15:34.36`	`krka\|work`	`huh?`
`15:35.04`	`Ktron`	`oh, for PHP should be in there too`
`15:36.29`	`Wob`	`make links work like forms?`
`15:36.37`	`Wob`	`What... like POST data?`
`15:37.41`	`Wob`	`anyway gotta sleep`
`15:42.54`	`Kalroth`	`Ktron: are you drunk again?`
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`15:57.51`	`wereHamster`	`greetings Elkano..`
`15:58.06`	`Elkano`	`ho :)`
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`16:31.16`	id`	`sancus: i curseth thee!`
`16:31.57`	id`	`thou hast converted me; i now am but a mindless follower of 'the sand game'`
`16:32.21`	id`	`(( my god i love it i showed a colleague i think thats all he did today ))`
`16:36.32`	`Elkano`	`thank god my addiction to WoW was stronger... ;)`
`16:37.10`	id`	`:p`
`16:37.21`	id`	`ive been playing with it all day`
`16:37.23`	id`	`next to work`
`16:37.29`	id`	`<3 multiple desktops`
`16:38.51`	`wereHamster`	`Hi Cide..`
`16:39.36`	`Cide`	`hi`
`16:41.22`	`wereHamster`	`I've noticed that you use 'local useless, useless, min, max = string.find(...)' throughout your code.. the 'useless' variables can be replaced by an underscore.. not a big performance improvement, but can be a start :)`
`16:46.03`	id`	`do you even need the temp vars with string.find() ?`
`16:46.21`	id`	`i mean cant you just let string.find return the table of only the atoms you want.. ?`
`16:48.27`	`wereHamster`	`string.find returns the start and end of the found string, so you always have at least two return values..`
`16:50.04`	id`	`oh right, gfind :P`
`16:52.52`	`krka`	`wereHamster, and what's the difference between "useless" and "_"?`
`16:54.41`	`wereHamster`	`krka, when using '_', it doesn't create a variable => less garbage collection.. that's a nice feature in lua.. if you aren't interested in something, just put a '_' there..`
`16:54.57`	`krka`	`really? didn't know it was part of lua`
`16:55.27`	`wereHamster`	`usefull with functions that have lots of return values.. like GetRaidRosterInfo() etc..`
`16:55.29`	`krka`	`i thought it was just convention and nothing magic`
`16:56.23`	`krka`	`i'd be glad if you could provide me with any reference for that`
`16:56.34`	id`	`always wanna see it ;)`
`16:56.37`	id`	`im like that too krka`
`16:56.38`	id`	`:p`
`16:57.05`	`wereHamster`	`actually, I'm not sure right now .. :-/`
`16:57.11`	`wereHamster`	`I thought so..`
`16:57.20`	`krka`	`well, i want to know if i am right or not`
`16:57.27`	`wereHamster`	`me too :)`
`16:58.23`	`futr`	`_ is just a dummy variable I believe`
`16:58.29`	`krka`	`hm, i will write two identical functions, one with _ and one with useless`
`16:59.34`	`futrtrubl`	`just try do _="qwerty"; print(_)`
`16:59.59`	`krka`	`hmm... how do i print the bytecode again?`
`16:59.59`	`futrtrubl`	`with print bing your prefered output func`
`17:00.20`	`krka`	`ah, luac -l it was`
`17:00.34`	`wereHamster`	`tomc@eiger ~ $ lua -e " _="qwerty"; print(_)"`
`17:00.34`	`wereHamster`	`nil`
`17:00.52`	`krka`	`http://wow.pastebin.com/541821`
`17:00.57`	`krka`	`here's the results`
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`17:01.08`	`wereHamster`	`sorry.. did the quotes wrong ..:(`
`17:01.17`	`wereHamster`	`prints the right thing..`
`17:01.28`	`futrtrubl`	`cool`
`17:01.30`	`krka`	`same bytecode`
`17:02.58`	`krka`	`better test: http://wow.pastebin.com/541826`
`17:03.08`	`krka`	`still, it concludes that i am correct! (yay me!)`
`17:04.10`	`futrtrubl`	`so just a normal var?`
`17:04.30`	`krka`	`yes`
`17:04.47`	`futrtrubl`	`not that I hate when you are right, but I wish it were otherwise this time ;']`
`17:04.47`	`wereHamster`	`I appologize Cide, I thought '_' has a special meaning in lua :(`
`17:04.58`	`krka`	`why?`
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`17:05.07`	`krka`	`you can still use _ if you want`
`17:05.16`	`futrtrubl`	`would be nice if _ spe things up`
`17:05.19`	`Cide`	`wereHamster: ah, I missed what you actually asked :)`
`17:05.28`	`krka`	`and you probably should, since that's what people are used to, and it takes little screenspace`
`17:05.29`	`wereHamster`	`krka, but it doesn't make any difference now, does it?`
`17:05.34`	`futrtrubl`	`sped*`
`17:05.37`	`krka`	`makes it readable`
`17:05.37`	`Cide`	`but yeah, the underscore is not special as far as I know`
`17:05.56`	`Cide`	`it's hardly unreadable without it`
`17:06.07`	`Cide`	`and I find it too small in many cases, myself`
`17:06.25`	`krka`	`_, _, _, stuff = f() is better than crap, whatever, blabla, stuff = f()`
`17:06.33`	`krka`	`IMBSHO`
`17:06.43`	`krka`	`IMNSHO of course`
`17:07.12`	`futrtrubl`	`~wtf IMMSHO`
`17:07.20`	`futrtrubl`	`;']`
`17:09.02`	`wereHamster`	`can you teach purl?`
`17:09.38`	`wereHamster`	`~wtf IMHO`
`17:10.08`	`futrtrubl`	`yup just do ~wtf IMMSHO is skhdakjbsdkjabkjdnakbd`
`17:10.40`	`wereHamster`	`krka, do you mind teaching purl something little?`
`17:11.20`	`futrtrubl`	`I think`
`17:11.20`	`futrtrubl`	`~wereHamster`
`17:11.28`	`futrtrubl`	`purl wereHamster is scary.`
`17:11.30`	`purl`	`futrtrubl: okay`
`17:11.48`	`futrtrubl`	`~wereHamster`
`17:11.49`	`purl`	`methinks werehamster is scary.`
`17:11.54`	`wereHamster`	`purl, that's not true`
`17:12.26`	`futrtrubl`	`purl no wereHamster is NOT scary.`
`17:12.28`	`purl`	`futrtrubl: okay`
`17:12.37`	`futrtrubl`	`~wereHamster`
`17:12.38`	`purl`	`[werehamster] NOT scary.`
`17:12.58`	`futrtrubl`	`.... never come accross that before`
`17:13.08`	`futrtrubl`	`purl no wereHamster is not scary.`
`17:13.09`	`purl`	`futrtrubl: okay`
`17:13.14`	`futrtrubl`	`~wereHamster`
`17:13.15`	`purl`	`extra, extra, read all about it, werehamster is not scary.`
`17:13.26`	`futrtrubl`	`well, brb`
`17:14.25`	`krka`	`what?`
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`17:31.19`	`krka`	`gah, when is update_bindings called???`
`17:47.35`	`krka`	`WTF, UPDATE_BINDINGS is fired when escaping the key bindings menu but not on hitting okay?`
`17:48.18`	`Elkano`	`ok, now that slouken is at work let's hope he sees the thread Ca_ir_enn has posted for me :) (since it has droped to page 3 or even deeper :( )`
`17:49.28`	`futrtrubl`	`stealth bump it`
`17:50.53`	`Elkano`	`can't post US ^^'`
`17:51.12`	`futrtrubl`	`I'll bump it for you then`
`17:51.34`	`Elkano`	`but I'll be away for the next 2h or so anyways so it doesn't hurry :)`
`17:51.51`	`futrtrubl`	`what's the thread?`
`17:52.24`	`Shadowd\|sleep`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=314752&p=1&tmp=1#post314752`
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`17:53.41`	`Elkano`	`well, l8ers`
`17:56.43`	`krka`	`ok... need help here`
`17:56.56`	`krka`	`how do I know when I update keybindings?`
`17:57.59`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`I was under the impression UPDATE_BINDINGS was called when you hit 'Save' in the keybindings window.`
`17:58.04`	`krka`	`wasn't for me`
`17:58.10`	`krka`	`i'll see if a relog will help`
`17:58.42`	`krka`	`can anyone verify this problem?`
`17:58.53`	`krka`	`change the binding for an actionbutton and see hit ok, and see if it updates`
`18:00.19`	`krka`	`hmm... i just thought of a nasty trick... i think`
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`18:06.28`	`krka`	`can someone confirm that update_bindings isn't triggered when you hit Okay on the key bindings panel?`
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`18:32.26`	`krka`	`no one can confirm? :/`
`18:39.55`	`wereHamster`	`can a frame have two different backdrops?`
`18:44.44`	`Cairenn`	`"What's the best way to piss off an indie rock snob?" "Actually enjoy music." ... I love QC`
`18:47.00`	`krka`	`anyone with WoW running?`
`18:47.18`	`Corrodias`	`i specifically do NOT have it running, is that close enough?`
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`18:53.38`	`wereHamster`	`krka, doing ZG richt now..`
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`18:54.04`	`krka`	`can you do a quick test? change a keybinding for an actionbutton and see if the actionbars hotkey text chanegs`
`18:55.12`	`wereHamster`	`no, doesn't change`
`18:55.20`	`wereHamster`	`have to tank .. brb`
`18:55.33`	`wereHamster`	`bloodlord..`
`18:55.54`	`krka`	`so it's bugged... stupid blizzard`
`18:57.50`	`krka`	`can anyone with a us account and credibility post a thread? :)`
`18:59.42`	`Cairenn`	`PM me at WoWI with the exact message you want posted, I'll put it up for you`
`18:59.58`	`Cairenn`	`(if you want)`
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`19:01.05`	`krka`	`thanks!`
`19:01.10`	`malreth`	`mwrar`
`19:01.12`	`Cairenn`	`last I checked, I've got decent credibility`
`19:01.17`	`Cairenn`	`hey malreth`
`19:01.30`	`malreth`	`hi hi cair`
`19:01.49`	`krka`	`mind if i paste it in a priv msg here instead? kinda doing without a browser atm`
`19:01.57`	`Cairenn`	`that's fine too`
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`19:16.49`	`Cairenn`	`krka?`
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`19:29.10`	`elema`	`fucking blizz, why the don't they let us europeans post uon the us forum`
`19:29.32`	`elema`	`or why don't they have good CMs at the EU-Forums`
`19:31.54`	`krka`	`sorry cair, got sidetracked by playing :)`
`19:32.16`	`Iriel`	`elema: because the forums are tied to the game logins, and the various game incarnations are entirely separate.`
`19:33.03`	`elema`	`yeah it's clear to me but I think it is stupid to support the community in the us and let die the com in europe`
`19:33.11`	`elema`	`nothing against the us`
`19:33.34`	`elema`	`it's just.. not fair?`
`19:35.47`	`Iriel`	`Well, it depends on which 'community' you refer to`
`19:36.39`	`Iriel`	`If you're talking about the UI community, then the 'support' we get is entirely voluntary on slouken's part (he's not paid to make US happy), but he's also happy to have those of us on the US forums pass along posts when necessary`
`19:36.59`	`Iriel`	`If you're talking about the larger community, then that's a different issue entirely.`
`19:37.26`	`krka`	`iriel, did you know about the bug with UPDATE_BINDINGS?`
`19:39.09`	`Iriel`	`No, what bug is that?`
`19:39.25`	`krka`	`dpesmt`
`19:39.32`	`krka`	`doesn't get triggered when you hit Okay in key bindingsd`
`19:39.41`	`Iriel`	`Does it get triggered ever?`
`19:39.41`	`krka`	`but it gets triggered when you escape from the keybindings frame`
`19:39.52`	`Iriel`	`Does it get triggered when the bindings get set?`
`19:39.55`	`krka`	`no`
`19:40.38`	`Cairenn`	`and if you are a smart member of the community, you hang out at WoWI and in this channel, where there are no boundaries :)`
`19:41.21`	`Iriel`	`That's really the question you see, what does UPDATE_BINDINGS indicate`
`19:41.32`	`Iriel`	`Does it indicate that a binding changed, in which case OKAY is __NOT__ the right time to fire`
`19:41.42`	`krka`	`i am using it the same way as ActionButton.lua, and that one is broken too`
`19:41.45`	`Iriel`	`because it's the SetBinding call that should have fired it (when you actually set the binding)`
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`19:41.58`	`krka`	`if you change your keybindings, the hotkey texts don't update with it`
`19:42.03`	`Iriel`	`Sounds like that may be the bug then, which we should report`
`19:42.11`	`krka`	`i've already put cair on it`
`19:42.20`	`Iriel`	`Obviously LoadBindings is firing it (That's what cancel calls)`
`19:42.21`	`Cairenn`	`so, anyone interested in swapping brains? you're more than welcome to have mine. I'll even throw in this migraine for no extra charge!`
`19:42.33`	`Iriel`	`Cair's going to post it?>`
`19:42.44`	`krka`	`i hope so wiggles eyebrows at cair`
`19:42.51`	`Cairenn`	`if/when krka ever bothers sending me the msg :p`
`19:42.53`	`Iriel`	`I can if she'd rather`
`19:42.58`	`krka`	`i did alreadt`
`19:42.58`	`Iriel`	`I'll send it, based on that description`
`19:43.02`	`krka`	`hmm`
`19:43.08`	`krka`	`Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )`
`19:43.14`	`Cairenn`	`then you aren't registered, because I didn't get it`
`19:43.16`	`Iriel`	`Because if you say that it's broken because it doesn't fire when you hit OK, then you're reporting it wrong`
`19:43.17`	`krka`	`yeah`
`19:43.30`	`Iriel`	`I'll post something`
`19:43.32`	`krka`	`hmm... i remember registering once`
`19:43.40`	`Cairenn`	`meh, let Iriel post it, his credibility is better than mine`
`19:43.53`	`krka`	`Seems like UPDATE_BINDINGS is not triggered when hitting the "Okay" button in t\he keybindings frame after you've changed some key bindings. However, it is tri\ggered if you hit escape when viewing the frame. Obviously this should be the o\ther way around for it to make sense!`
`19:43.55`	`Cairenn`	`then /msg chanserv identify <pw>`
`19:43.58`	`krka`	`that's what i wrote to cair in private`
`19:44.02`	`Iriel`	`Yes, you see that's a bad bug`
`19:44.05`	`Iriel`	`because you didn't check the code`
`19:44.33`	`Iriel`	`OKAY merely saves the bindings, it doesn't actually change them`
`19:44.53`	`krka`	`ok, then it should fire upon the change of an individual key binding?`
`19:45.05`	`Iriel`	`I would imagine so, and you tested for that, right?`
`19:45.10`	`elema`	`hmm I always thought slouken was paid by blizz and blizz pays him because he is the CM of the Interface Forum..?`
`19:45.13`	`krka`	`well, i didn't need to`
`19:45.19`	`krka`	`i assume that blizzards ActionButton code is correct`
`19:45.24`	`krka`	`and that is wrong for me`
`19:45.28`	`Iriel`	`elema: he's not a CM, he's a developer (of more important code than UI stuff)`
`19:45.38`	`Iriel`	`he does his forum stuff because he wants to`
`19:45.45`	`krka`	`you can test it yourself: change a keybinding for actionbutton X and see if the hotkey text updates`
`19:45.50`	`elema`	`On the eu borads we haven't got such a "slouken" dream_of_an_own_slouken`
`19:46.19`	`elema`	`ohh thats really a nice guy`
`19:46.32`	`elema`	`heavens, give us more sloukens`
`19:46.37`	`Kirkburn`	`If only ...`
`19:47.02`	`Iriel`	`krka: But if you set it, then okay, then go back into the panel, and CANCEL, it does update??`
`19:47.17`	`Cairenn`	`aye, Slouken is actually one of the lead devs, he isn't actually a CM ... he hangs out in the and does stuff for the UI community on his own time, because he wants to`
`19:47.34`	`wereHamster`	`Iriel, do you know what slouken writes besides of the UI?`
`19:47.42`	`Kirkburn`	`Doesn't this suggest to Blizz that that should be an official positon?`
`19:47.43`	`krka`	`yes`
`19:47.47`	`krka`	`exactly`
`19:48.02`	`Iriel`	`I dont know exactly, but I believe lots on both server and client side.`
`19:48.07`	`elema`	`there are so many needed or buggy functions`
`19:49.17`	`krka`	`i was thinking of hooking the "Okay" click, but that frame doesn't seem to be in lua-space`
`19:49.35`	`Iriel`	`The okay click is in the XML, and it does SaveBindings`
`19:49.59`	`Iriel`	`There aren't that many buggy functions`
`19:50.04`	`krka`	`really? couldn't even find the frame`
`19:50.21`	`Iriel`	`search for 'Okay'`
`19:50.35`	`elema`	`okay not as many buggy functions as we need new functions, you are right ^^`
`19:50.52`	`krka`	`KeyBindingFrame isn't anywhere`
`19:50.57`	`elema`	`I think only about the check for afk function`
`19:51.09`	`Iriel`	`It's an on-demand addon`
`19:51.12`	`elema`	`krka: it is an extra ddon`
`19:51.12`	`Kirkburn`	`Oh can I just say: Woo! This is the first time I've been able to go online in my apt since I arrived in august, and since the wheels were set in motion on Oct 21st! Explanation: I'm in Italy.`
`19:51.24`	`krka`	`i see`
`19:51.26`	`Iriel`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=315249`
`19:51.41`	`Iriel`	`krka: Can you check that and make sure it's accurate`
`19:52.01`	`krka`	`i can try!`
`19:52.26`	`wereHamster`	`hm.. how can I extract the keybindings code from the data files? Its an addon, not part of the base UI.. and when I extracted the UI from the latest version, I couldn't find any KeyBindings code..`
`19:52.54`	`Iriel`	`Did you look in Interface\AddOns\Blizzard_BindingUI ?`
`19:52.55`	`elema`	`is there a way to extract the binding of a certain action to a fontstring?`
`19:52.57`	`krka`	`yes, quite correct Iriel! thanks`
`19:53.01`	`krka`	`no, not yet`
`19:53.13`	`Iriel`	`There are a few GetBinding calls`
`19:53.22`	`krka`	`krka@Moiraine:~/AddOns/Blizzard_BindingUI$ less Blizzard_BindingUI.pub`
`19:53.22`	`krka`	`"Blizzard_BindingUI.pub" may be a binary file. See it anyway?`
`19:53.23`	`krka`	`hmm`
`19:53.25`	`Iriel`	`GetBindingAction ("KEY") - API`
`19:53.28`	`Iriel`	`GetBindingKey ("COMMAND") - (x) API`
`19:53.38`	`Iriel`	`Not the pub file`
`19:53.46`	`Iriel`	`You have to EXTRACT THE UI CODE if you want to see it.`
`19:54.01`	`Iriel`	`the pub file is the digital signature for the code`
`19:54.04`	`krka`	`i think i have an ancient version of FrameXML`
`19:54.12`	`wereHamster`	`krka, I have the lua and xml file there..`
`19:54.22`	`wereHamster`	`as well as Localization.lua`
`19:54.41`	`wereHamster`	`its contents are: -- This file is executed at the end of addon load`
`19:55.59`	`elema`	`the getbindingkey, how do i use it?`
`19:56.05`	`Iriel`	`You give it a binding name`
`19:56.12`	`elema`	`a moment first I look at the wiki`
`19:56.14`	`Iriel`	`and it tells you what the key(s) for that binding are`
`19:56.28`	`elema`	`you mean "command" is the binding name?`
`19:56.39`	`Iriel`	`local key1,key2 = GetBindingKey("SCREENSHOT")`
`19:56.40`	`Iriel`	`for example`
`19:57.03`	`elema`	`thanks, you are so good`
`19:57.29`	`krka`	`so, an easy fix would be to hook the okay-click and perform LoadBindings() there`
`19:57.40`	`Iriel`	`I suppose so`
`19:57.47`	`Iriel`	`You could just hook SaveBindings to do a load right after`
`19:57.56`	`krka`	`or that :)`
`19:58.00`	`Iriel`	`You wont catch addons that do dynamic rebinding tho`
`19:58.32`	`krka`	`hmm... can hook SetBinding too`
`19:58.41`	`Iriel`	`Yes, but you can't generate the event`
`19:59.02`	`Iriel`	`You'd have to do very ugly things to not break anything`
`19:59.08`	`elema`	`ok guys see ya hopefully tomorrow ;)`
`19:59.24`	`Iriel`	`cya`
`19:59.26`	`elema`	`good night ( or which time it is ine the us)`
`19:59.44`	`krka`	`yes i can generate the event by doing SaveBindings() LoadBindings()`
`20:01.08`	`krka`	`and yes, that probably breaks stuff :)`
`20:02.11`	`Iriel`	`Indeed, it breaks cancel completely`
`20:02.50`	`krka`	`ah, good point`
`20:03.05`	`krka`	`damn`
`20:04.43`	`krka`	`can't think of any good way around that`
`20:04.44`	`krka`	`:(`
`20:04.57`	`wereHamster`	`wait until slouken fixes this :)`
`20:05.11`	`krka`	`or.... i could store all the key bindings when LoadBindings fires`
`20:05.29`	`Iriel`	`I think the SaveBindings hook is a good compromise for now`
`20:05.40`	`krka`	`yes, that won't break anything atleast`
`20:05.58`	`krka`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:05.58`	`krka`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:06.27`	`Iriel`	`A SetBindings hack would be this: remember the old binding, set the new one, save, load, then set the old one back, save, and set the new one`
`20:06.47`	`krka`	`yeah`
`20:06.50`	`Iriel`	`Though, really you have to remember all the changed ones since the last 'real' LoadBinding`
`20:07.02`	`krka`	`tricky stuff`
`20:07.05`	`Iriel`	`And that's just ugly`
`20:07.10`	`krka`	`agreed`
`20:07.20`	`Iriel`	`And absolutely not worth it for 99.9% of the users 8-)`
`20:07.27`	`krka`	`yeah, i'll just wait for the fix`
`20:07.55`	`krka`	`though... do we really want to trigger UPDATE_BINDINGS on SetBindnig?`
`20:08.05`	`krka`	`was it like that before?`
`20:09.13`	`Iriel`	`That's the only way it makes sense`
`20:09.18`	`Iriel`	`Because that's when the binding actually changes`
`20:09.47`	`Iriel`	`Maybe we could give it an optional arg1 that is the command that changed`
`20:11.03`	`AnduinLothar`	`kill the kittens!`
`20:11.18`	`krka`	`wish we could trigger events :/`
`20:11.27`	`AnduinLothar`	`you can`
`20:11.31`	`AnduinLothar`	`just not easily`
`20:11.37`	`Iriel`	`No, you can't`
`20:11.42`	`AnduinLothar`	`sure you can`
`20:11.43`	`Iriel`	`You cannot trigger an arbitrary event`
`20:11.47`	`Iriel`	`There are SOME you can make happen`
`20:11.55`	`Iriel`	`But that's not triggering events in any useful sense`
`20:11.59`	`krka`	`could load first and hook RegisterEvent :P`
`20:12.04`	`AnduinLothar`	`itterate through global namespace to find frames with OnEvent`
`20:12.18`	`Iriel`	`That doesn't work for unlinked frames`
`20:12.22`	`AnduinLothar`	`then set global event to the name and the appropriate args...`
`20:12.25`	`Iriel`	`And you dont know which events they're listening for`
`20:12.38`	`AnduinLothar`	`so it's grosel innefifient`
`20:12.44`	`AnduinLothar`	`grossly*`
`20:12.50`	`Iriel`	`you still can't find out which ones want the event`
`20:12.55`	`Iriel`	`so you can't do it`
`20:12.58`	`AnduinLothar`	`:P so call um all`
`20:13.04`	`Iriel`	`that'd break lots of code`
`20:13.15`	`AnduinLothar`	`meh, complain complain`
`20:13.34`	`AnduinLothar`	`itterate through first and hook all the RegisterForEvents`
`20:13.47`	`AnduinLothar`	`only works for addons granted`
`20:14.05`	`AnduinLothar`	`:P ok fine, you can't do it well or easily..`
`20:14.30`	`AnduinLothar`	`but you can do it for your own addons with a hook`
`20:14.53`	`Maldivia`	`why even hook for your own addon ?`
`20:14.55`	`Iriel`	`Well yes, you can always call your own OnEvents 8-)`
`20:14.59`	`AnduinLothar`	`:P`
`20:15.14`	`AnduinLothar`	`mald, call it from a hook`
`20:15.40`	`Maldivia`	`:)`
`20:15.44`	`AnduinLothar`	`as in hook SaveBindings and call your event`
`20:16.05`	`AnduinLothar`	`might make your code slightly pritier than calling from the hook`
`20:16.42`	`AnduinLothar`	`not that pretty == efficient...`
`20:16.59`	`AnduinLothar`	`but you could make it pretty efficient..`
`20:17.19`	`AnduinLothar`	`or at least fairly efficient..`
`20:17.31`	`AnduinLothar`	`long as it's not ugly efficient we're ok`
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`20:18.48`	`Maldivia`	`Iriel: hmm, I don't quite get your SetBinding request... why would you want an event fired on SetBinding ?`
`20:19.31`	`AnduinLothar`	`to update some binding hijacking addon i spose`
`20:19.43`	`krka`	`so you can reflect hotkey texts`
`20:19.45`	`Iriel`	`Maldivia : because there's an UPDATE_BINDINGS event`
`20:19.54`	`Iriel`	`that things use to change themselves when the bindings change`
`20:19.56`	`Iriel`	`except it doesn't fire`
`20:20.09`	`Iriel`	`I didn't create the event, blizzard did 8-)`
`20:20.15`	`Maldivia`	`well, don't see why it should fire on SetBinding... it should on SaveBindings, not SetBingind`
`20:20.30`	`Maldivia`	`SetBinding*`
`20:21.27`	`Kirkburn`	`Is there a good reason for the EU and US websites being so ... different?`
`20:22.06`	`AnduinLothar`	`different expectaions...`
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`20:22.14`	`AnduinLothar`	`different weather patterns..`
`20:22.51`	`Iriel`	`Maldivia : Why? The binding takes effect when it's set, not when it's saved`
`20:22.54`	`Kirkburn`	`Well it does kinda get to me that they appear to think we have crapper computers. Or at least, monitors.`
`20:23.06`	`AnduinLothar`	`you don't?`
`20:23.09`	`AnduinLothar`	`;)`
`20:23.28`	`Maldivia`	`Iriel: if I call SetBinding, and reload UI - is the binding saved, or only after I call SaveBindings?`
`20:23.28`	`Kirkburn`	`Widescreen laptop here`
`20:23.48`	`Iriel`	`Maldivia : If you set binding, and reload, the binding is not saved`
`20:23.48`	`AnduinLothar`	`So just open two sites next to each other :P`
`20:24.02`	`AnduinLothar`	`that's what the widescreen was for anyway :)`
`20:24.07`	`Iriel`	`Maldivia : But if you set binding from an addon at startup, then the binding will always be present`
`20:24.09`	`Kirkburn`	`lol, what an idea. Sorry, I left out 'stupid' :)`
`20:25.09`	`Kirkburn`	`Btw, is there any news news on the 1.10 font stuff?`
`20:25.58`	`Kirkburn`	`[great, the EU war effort page han't been updated for a week. Bet they've forgotten]`
`20:26.48`	`Osagasu`	`Is ForgottenLords around?`
`20:26.53`	`Osagasu`	`Oh, he's in the chatroom`
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`20:30.37`	`Kirkburn`	`A quick html/css question - is there anything other than font/table/margin styles that are a good idea to do in css rather than html?`
`20:31.00`	`Iriel`	`pretty much everything 8-)`
`20:31.01`	`Stylpe`	`Layout`
`20:31.25`	`Kirkburn`	`Er, easy things :)`
`20:31.32`	`Iriel`	`Though I've discovered CSS can't manage certain layout aspects well`
`20:32.35`	`Kirkburn`	`I am particulary glad I found I could define table styles in css. I'm totally new to it, if you hadn't realised`
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`20:42.16`	`krka`	`such as what Iriel?`
`20:42.27`	`Maldivia`	`Iriel: well, in your scenario, if an addon sets keybindings at startup, I would expect it to call SaveBindings, otherwise when I enter the key-bindings setup screen, and press Cancel, all those key bindings would be lost`
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`20:44.56`	`Iriel`	`Maldivia : Well, consider an addon which dynamically rebinds keys by context`
`20:45.05`	`Iriel`	`Maldivia ; You'd want the action buttons to refelect the right bindings`
`20:45.44`	`wereHamster`	`I have written an addon that rebinds keys dynamicaly.. depending on in which shapeshift form you are..`
`20:45.49`	`wereHamster`	`And I don't call SaveBindings() at all..`
`20:45.58`	`wereHamster`	`only SetBinding().. that's all`
`20:46.44`	`krka`	`anyone know which units trigger UNIT_AURA events?`
`20:46.58`	`Maldivia`	`player, pet, target, group, raid`
`20:46.58`	`AnduinLothar`	`all of them`
`20:47.03`	`AnduinLothar`	`mouseover`
`20:47.05`	`wereHamster`	`mouseover`
`20:47.18`	`krka`	`"all of them"?`
`20:47.25`	`krka`	`i'm pretty sure targettarget doesn't`
`20:47.28`	`AnduinLothar`	`all of the non-compounds`
`20:47.35`	`Maldivia`	`hmm... npc ? :)`
`20:47.52`	`Iriel`	`None of the .+target units ever generate events`
`20:48.03`	`Iriel`	`but the rest should`
`20:48.07`	`krka`	`thanks`
`20:48.15`	`Iriel`	`I'm not sure if npc would, but I suspect it might`
`20:48.23`	`AnduinLothar`	`does`
`20:48.23`	`Iriel`	`since it's a "real" unit`
`20:48.25`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`targettarget generating events would be messy...what if your target if yourself?`
`20:48.30`	`Iriel`	`not a synthetic one`
`20:48.32`	`Maldivia`	`ohh, forgot grouppet and raidpet`
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`20:48.40`	`Iriel`	`the pet ones do`
`20:48.45`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`s/if y/is y/`
`20:48.51`	`krka`	`what about targetpet?`
`20:48.59`	`Iriel`	`there is no targetpet`
`20:49.01`	`AnduinLothar`	`doubt t`
`20:49.06`	`krka`	`ah i see`
`20:49.34`	`Maldivia`	`GenNMX\|Thrae: well, iirc, you get UNIT_AURA for both as player and raid#`
`20:50.13`	`krka`	`ok how about this: why do some of my friends show even after alt-z?`
`20:50.30`	`AnduinLothar`	`not anchored to uiparent?`
`20:50.34`	`Maldivia`	`they are not parented to UIParent (or one of it's children)`
`20:50.34`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Maldivia: Yeah, but that's a static number. targettarget can be looped forever, like targettargettargettargettargettarget, etc.`
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`20:50.37`	`AnduinLothar`	`parented*`
`20:50.45`	`Maldivia`	`GenNMX\|Thrae: yeah, true`
`20:50.53`	`krka`	`doh, that's it of course`
`20:51.03`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Depending on how events are processed, that could get extremely messy`
`20:51.40`	`krka`	`well, they could have a system for not generating events for some units more than once`
`20:51.48`	`krka`	`so if targettarget == player, only show for player`
`20:51.54`	`Iriel`	`But that would be silly`
`20:52.05`	`Iriel`	`because every addon that wants events would have to know about all the other units`
`20:52.17`	`Maldivia`	`well, not much of the [unit]target data is actually cached, the data is "on request", as fas as I know`
`20:52.20`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`krka: So, I was wrong about UPDATE_BINDINGS not being the event for updating keybindings?`
`20:52.31`	`Iriel`	`It's much easier to dispatch all the events for every unit id the entity exists as`
`20:52.38`	`krka`	`not sure what your statement was`
`20:52.39`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Depherios (n=Deph@67.189.88.161)`
`20:53.04`	`krka`	`would be nice if we could get a unique id for each unit`
`20:53.10`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`You asked earlier which event was called when keybindings were updated, and then you said UPDATE_BINDINGS wasn't working correctly.`
`20:53.14`	`krka`	`GetUnitId("player") => 1 or something`
`20:53.18`	`Iriel`	`Nice, but blizzard doesn't want us to have it`
`20:53.24`	`krka`	`yeah :/`
`20:53.25`	`Iriel`	`And 'unit id' is a lousy name for it`
`20:53.28`	`Iriel`	`EntityId, perhaps`
`20:53.47`	`Iriel`	`We do at least have UnitIsUnit`
`20:54.00`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Tem\|class (n=Tem@ip70-177-40-169.br.br.cox.net)`
`20:54.02`	`Maldivia`	`which is really nice :)`
`20:54.03`	`krka`	`i was thinking of making an addon that adds a unit frame for each distinct unit it can find`
`20:54.12`	`krka`	`would probably be slow as hell though`
`20:54.17`	`Iriel`	`Why?`
`20:54.18`	`Maldivia`	`not really`
`20:54.23`	`Iriel`	`You could cache the identities`
`20:54.27`	`Tem`	`Rawr!`
`20:54.28`	`krka`	`since there are no events, would have to constantly poll`
`20:54.32`	`Iriel`	`and only update the set when you see event changes`
`20:54.33`	`Iriel`	`eh?`
`20:54.36`	`krka`	`and figure out which units are the same`
`20:54.40`	`Iriel`	`Oh, you're including target units?`
`20:54.41`	`Tem`	`I /WANT/ this keyboard`
`20:54.42`	`krka`	`how do I know when targettarget changes?`
`20:54.44`	`Iriel`	`And target targets?`
`20:54.48`	`krka`	`and targettargettarget`
`20:54.50`	`Iriel`	`and target target targets?`
`20:54.53`	`Tem`	`http://artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/`
`20:54.54`	`krka`	`and party1pettargettargettarget`
`20:54.55`	`krka`	`etc`
`20:55.03`	`Iriel`	`Tem: I'm trying to stop myself from ordering one`
`20:55.04`	`krka`	`err... partypet1`
`20:55.08`	`Iriel`	`even though it'll just collect dust`
`20:55.18`	`Tem`	`Iriel: lol, I feel your pain`
`20:55.24`	`Tem`	`forturnately for me, rent is due`
`20:55.26`	`Iriel`	`Actually, not that one, which doesn't exist yet`
`20:55.28`	`Iriel`	`but the mini`
`20:55.37`	`Tem`	`that's enough to keep money in my bank for the moment`
`20:55.56`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Ahhh yes, that thing, I saw it a year or so back`
`20:56.09`	`Iriel`	`They've actually made a product now`
`20:56.19`	`Iriel`	`Which was announced a week ago`
`20:57.06`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Heh, they haven't changed that webpage much from then though. Guess they had some compatibility problems or something...`
`20:58.09`	`Maldivia`	`hmm... mini... 3 buttons... Ahh, Ctrl Alt Delete :)`
`20:58.17`	`Tem`	`lol`
`20:58.41`	`AnduinLothar`	`cep those re programmable, just make that 1 button`
`20:58.53`	`Tem`	`I've been charged with making a mod for my guild for bidding on raids`
`20:59.03`	`Tem`	`and I've decided on a few "hidden features"`
`20:59.08`	`AnduinLothar`	`lol`
`20:59.12`	`AnduinLothar`	`cheater`
`20:59.17`	`krka`	`mail yourself one copper?`
`20:59.23`	`Tem`	`1s actually`
`20:59.28`	`Tem`	`but to the guild bank`
`20:59.33`	`Tem`	`not to me`
`20:59.46`	`Iriel`	`hm, that's very lossy`
`20:59.58`	`Iriel`	`the 30c postage fee eats a lot of potential profit`
`21:00.05`	`Iriel`	`why not scale the amount based onthe user's balance`
`21:00.10`	`Iriel`	`up to a low, but better than 1s limit`
`21:00.13`	`Tem`	`sounds fair`
`21:00.21`	`Depherios`	`lol`
`21:00.27`	`Iriel`	`You'd want to track how long it was since the last time it happened too`
`21:00.29`	`Tem`	`in the options pane, there will be a "Crash wow" button`
`21:00.29`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Scale it on how much you hate the user. That always works for the real corporate world!`
`21:00.31`	`Depherios`	`i always have no money due to depositbox`
`21:00.33`	`AnduinLothar`	`u know they'll be mailing their alt $`
`21:00.43`	`sharkhat`	`anyone have a link to the 12 cartoons about muhamad that made so much news today?`
`21:00.45`	`Tem`	`With a tooltip that says "Don't Push"`
`21:01.00`	`AnduinLothar`	`google`
`21:01.58`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`sharkhat: www.shoutwire.com`
`21:02.11`	`AnduinLothar`	`personally i think they're just looking for a fight. the cartoons wer commissioned to increase self hummor, apparently no one thought they were funny`
`21:02.31`	`Tem`	`If they receive a whisper in this format (or a similar yet-undecided format) they will loadstring and run the script wrapped in pcall replying either the return value or the lua error to the sender: "<SCRIPT> ... "`
`21:03.35`	`Iriel`	`Tem: I would really advise against that`
`21:03.41`	`sharkhat`	`GenNMX\|Thrae i wasnt ablew to find it.. could u link to it?`
`21:04.00`	`Tem`	`Iriel: why's that? evil grin`
`21:04.06`	`Elkano`	`hmm, I have been offered a first born in order to thank me for one of my addons :/ raise it or have a bath in it's blood to make my skin look younger?`
`21:04.27`	`Tem`	`I'm looking forward to making people say things`
`21:04.37`	`Iriel`	`Elkano : The latter, you'll need help when you get older`
`21:04.42`	`Iriel`	`I mean, the former 8-)(`
`21:04.58`	`krka`	`you could effectively lock up everyone`
`21:05.08`	`krka`	`hmm... what other evil things could you do`
`21:05.15`	`krka`	`mail away all money?`
`21:05.26`	`Tem`	`cause people to crash right before they bid on Hakkar's heart?`
`21:05.32`	`*** part/#wowi-lounge Ratbert_CP (n=KCummins@204.128.192.8)`
`21:05.33`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`sharkhat: www.shoutwire.com/comments/4357/Cartoon_Prophet_Row_Deepens`
`21:05.45`	`Iriel`	`Tem: That's just not a good path to go down, really, silliness within reason is okay, but if there's anything that COULD be used for remote mischief, you'll be blamed for EVERYTHING`
`21:05.51`	`Maldivia`	`make them auto-destroy the hearth, when they loot, and then crash, so they blame Blizzard...`
`21:06.05`	`Tem`	`lol`
`21:06.24`	`AnduinLothar`	`who will say... remove your mods dork`
`21:06.28`	`Tem`	`LeaveParty() DestroyHearth()`
`21:06.37`	`Tem`	`lol`
`21:06.44`	`Tem`	`Iriel: yeah I suppose`
`21:06.55`	`Tem`	`Iriel: but... It would just be so fun...`
`21:07.19`	`AnduinLothar`	`~kill tem`
`21:07.21`	`purl`	`ACTION shoots a ionized anti-neutron gun at tem`
`21:07.21`	`krka`	`damn it! "attempt to index a nil value"`
`21:07.26`	`krka`	`but it doesn't say which line`
`21:07.37`	`Iriel`	`krka: On load?`
`21:07.38`	`Tem`	`krka: how could it not say which line?`
`21:07.45`	`Tem`	`Check FrameXML.log`
`21:07.51`	`Iriel`	`krka: Usually it means you have invalid lua syntax in a handler block`
`21:08.29`	`sharkhat`	`GenNMX\|Thrae thanks, but i didnt see the actual cartoons... is it in the crazy amount of comments?`
`21:08.38`	`Iriel`	`sharkhat : Yes`
`21:08.45`	`Iriel`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:09.19`	`krka`	`grr... annoying`
`21:10.51`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`sharkhat: Uhh, why don't you go to the outside news link that's in the shoutwire page?`
`21:12.13`	`krka`	`gah, nothing shows up in FrameXML.log`
`21:12.15`	`Maldivia`	`Some of the drawings, you really have to be a Dane to understand ;)`
`21:13.20`	`Tem`	`my only complaint about that keyboard is that I'm addicted to then ergonomic keyboards`
`21:13.29`	`Tem`	`but I still want one`
`21:13.33`	`Tem`	`it just looks so cool`
`21:13.40`	`Cairenn`	`that's why I'm not ordering it`
`21:14.07`	`Tem`	`I'm to the point where I have difficulty typing on normal keyboards`
`21:14.08`	`Cairenn`	`they come out with an ergo design though ....`
`21:14.20`	`Cairenn`	`the keys are too close together!`
`21:14.23`	`Tem`	`yes!`
`21:15.06`	`krka`	`the "attempt to index a nil value" message never disapears`
`21:15.19`	`Tem`	`and it doesn't give you a line number?`
`21:15.22`	`krka`	`no`
`21:15.24`	`Tem`	`that's /very/ strange`
`21:15.46`	`krka`	`yeah`
`21:16.03`	`krka`	`i haven't even changed very much`
`21:16.14`	`Iriel`	`Check your OnUpdate and event handlers`
`21:16.15`	`Maldivia`	`sounds like an error in an OnUpdate function`
`21:16.17`	`Iriel`	`if you can't get rit of it`
`21:16.25`	`krka`	`but OnUpdate is in a lua-file`
`21:16.30`	`krka`	`i even set it inside lua`
`21:16.34`	`Kirkburn`	`Er, was it really a good idea to post that link?`
`21:16.44`	`Iriel`	`Kirkburn : Someone asked for it`
`21:16.51`	`Kirkburn`	`Just cause you aren't a newspapaer doesn;t mean u can disrespect religions, though`
`21:17.00`	`Iriel`	`Kirkburn : If you're offended by it and stupid enough to have clicked on it, you should probably not be here.`
`21:17.21`	`Kirkburn`	`I'm not angry! I'm just pointing it out`
`21:17.36`	`Iriel`	`And i'm pointing out why posting the link was a good idea.`
`21:18.04`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`What if your religion is offended by people trying to "enlighten" people about your religion (hint Scientology hint)`
`21:18.35`	`Kirkburn`	`I thought that was called 'a farce'`
`21:18.51`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Scientology is a certified religion, unfortunately.`
`21:19.02`	`Tem`	`Tom Cruise is funny`
`21:19.24`	`Kirkburn`	`Tbh, I'm just amazed that the newspapers reprinted those cartoons. I think the UK managed to avoid it for once`
`21:19.29`	`krka`	`attempt to index a nil value => doing something with table[nil] ?`
`21:19.35`	`krka`	`or can it be something else too?`
`21:19.36`	`Iriel`	`krka: no`
`21:19.42`	`Iriel`	`more like T[X] when T is nil`
`21:19.45`	`krka`	`ah`
`21:19.46`	`krka`	`thanks`
`21:20.42`	`Maldivia`	`Kirkburn: newspapers aren't bound by rules written in the Koran - they are bound by the laws in the contry the print in`
`21:21.54`	`Tem`	`am I the only one who doesn't see what's offensive about them?`
`21:22.19`	`Maldivia`	`Tem: I find them funny - but I'm also the targeted audience :)`
`21:22.49`	`Maldivia`	`... as in being a Dane and a reader of Jyllands Posten`
`21:23.08`	`Tem`	`the only one I even understand is the guy at the gates to heaven shouting "Stop! Stop! We're out of virgins!"`
`21:24.00`	`krka`	`why don't wow give me a line number? i know which function it is :/`
`21:24.15`	`Tem`	`start commenting stuff out`
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`21:24.51`	`krka`	`yeah :/`
`21:24.58`	`krka`	`big PITA`
`21:25.17`	`Tem`	`OR, just look around`
`21:25.21`	`Maldivia`	`Tem: well, the drawing with the person trying to hide his drawing while drawing it, really shows the problem in this case`
`21:25.32`	`Tem`	`you can't have THAT many table indexes where the table could be nil`
`21:25.57`	`Iriel`	`You get that error for trying to call a method on a nil object dont you?`
`21:26.09`	`Tem`	`yep`
`21:26.11`	`wereHamster`	`krka, WoW gives the line number..`
`21:26.13`	`krka`	`possible`
`21:26.18`	`Tem`	`Iriel: maybe not`
`21:26.30`	`Tem`	`Iriel: you might get attempt to call a nil valu`
`21:26.34`	`Tem`	`value*`
`21:26.36`	`Tem`	`oh wait`
`21:26.40`	`Iriel`	stdin:1: attempt to index global `X' (a nil value)
`21:26.49`	`Tem`	`for X.method()`
`21:27.02`	`Iriel`	`That was X:method()`
`21:27.04`	`Iriel`	`where X is nil`
`21:27.05`	`Tem`	`either way`
`21:27.54`	`Tem`	`hahahah! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8530918890580805143`
`21:28.49`	`Maldivia`	`hmm, does WoW display line numbers, when doing something like: local myFunc; if test then myFunc = function() something end else myFunc = function() somethingElse() end end`
`21:30.39`	`wereHamster`	`Maldiva, I don't know in that case, but the normal error strings as shown by the UI in this ugly little error frame have the line numbers..`
`21:31.06`	`Maldivia`	`yeah, I know`
`21:31.47`	`Maldivia`	`but there are situations when the file name : line number info isn't available`
`21:31.57`	`krka`	`yay, found it`
`21:32.03`	`wereHamster`	`also, when you call error("..."), then WoW prepends "Interface\\AddOns\\myAddOn\\myAddOnFile.lua:(%d+): " to the error string..`
`21:32.07`	`Iriel`	`I know that wow isn't very good at errors when there's a syntax error in handlers`
`21:32.34`	`wereHamster`	`that's why it is always good to pt function calls into xml-handlers`
`21:48.14`	`Kirkburn`	`What's a good prog for editing lua?`
`21:48.19`	`Iriel`	`emacs`
`21:48.24`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Ratbert_CP (n=KCummins@c-66-229-214-105.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)`
`21:48.45`	`krka`	`agreed`
`21:48.52`	`krka`	`emacs with lua settings is gold`
`21:49.35`	`Kirkburn`	`Isn't it freaky that a new version was released today after two years`
`21:50.32`	`Kirkburn`	`Now I may not know much about emacs, but that seems to go against the "GNU Emacs is a rapidly developed project" description :)`
`21:51.23`	`Kirkburn`	`No wait, 2005 was last year :P`
`21:52.13`	`Iriel`	`I've been using emacs for 14-15 years now, it doesn't need to change that rapidly`
`21:52.28`	`wereHamster`	`I'm using eclipse.. but only because of the excelent perforce integration.. no syntax hightlighting but there is a extension for that..`
`21:52.32`	`Kirkburn`	`Wow. That's quite some time ...`
`21:53.02`	`sharkhat`	`that google video is hilarious`
`21:53.11`	`krka`	`14-15 years O_o`
`21:53.40`	`Maldivia`	`hmm, that would be around 1991... I didn't own a computer in 1991 :)`
`21:53.41`	`Iriel`	`I dont remember exactly when in 1991 it was I started with it.`
`21:54.15`	`Kirkburn`	`This file: emacs-21.4a.tar.gz?`
`21:54.23`	`krka`	`i was still fascinating by shiny things in 91`
`21:54.24`	`Iriel`	`Back then it was ADM-3E terminals into a shared SunOs (Pre-Solaris) host`
`21:54.36`	`Iriel`	`Kirkburn : Which O/S are you looking for?`
`21:54.43`	`Kirkburn`	`Windows`
`21:54.46`	`Iriel`	`Kirkburn : You'll likely be seeing a pre-compiled one`
`21:55.41`	`Kirkburn`	`There's elisp, leim and emacs files in the ftp`
`21:55.42`	`krka`	`iriel, next challenge for you: create a lua script that emulates the WoW environment, for easier testing`
`21:55.53`	`Maldivia`	`as a console editor, I've always prefered vim... not to start a religion war or anything :)`
`21:55.55`	`Shadowd`	`Isn't there something that does that already?`
`21:56.09`	`krka`	`there is?`
`21:56.21`	`Iriel`	`krka: I'll let tem do that 8-)`
`21:56.25`	`Iriel`	`Kirkburn : ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows/`
`21:56.32`	`Iriel`	`Kirkburn : get ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows/emacs-21.3-fullbin-i386.tar.gz`
`21:56.35`	`Iriel`	`If you go there, anyway`
`21:56.42`	`Iriel`	`Let me see if I can find a friendlier site tho`
`21:57.13`	`AnduinLothar`	`Any particular game bugs you guys want me to report next week when I start?`
`21:57.28`	`Maldivia`	`hehe`
`21:57.29`	`Cairenn`	`YAY!`
`21:57.30`	`krka`	`well, there's the UPDATE_BINDINGS bug`
`21:57.34`	`Cairenn`	`Congrats Karl!`
`21:57.36`	`Kirkburn`	`Maybe this one will stop downloading, unlike the other which just carried on ... and on ...`
`21:57.43`	`AnduinLothar`	`:)`
`21:57.47`	`Cairenn`	`just heard, I gather?`
`21:57.48`	`krka`	`oh, and congrats I guess!`
`21:57.59`	`Kirkburn`	`What have I missed?!`
`21:58.00`	`krka`	`i am so slow :/`
`21:58.02`	`Maldivia`	`AnduinLothar: what will you be QAing?`
`21:58.17`	`AnduinLothar`	`blizz games, wow in particular`
`21:58.25`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Oh, Anduin is going to work for Blizzard? Aww, that means he'll become secretive ;)`
`21:58.26`	`krka`	`i read the sentence and answered with the most relevant thing i could think of... completely missed the Congrats part :)`
`21:58.26`	`Cairenn`	`woohoo, another Blizz contact (like I didn't have enough already ;) )`
`21:58.28`	`Kirkburn`	`Grats!`
`21:58.59`	`Depherios`	`Better keep making your addons D:`
`21:59.05`	`Depherios`	`lol`
`21:59.06`	`Iriel`	`You could report the bug where Tem doesn't crash wow anywhere near as often as he used to.`
`21:59.09`	`Kirkburn`	`That I would agree with ;)`
`21:59.17`	`Maldivia`	`AnduinLothar: ok, thought it might be more specialized :)`
`21:59.18`	`Cairenn`	`hehehe`
`21:59.22`	`kremonte`	`AnduinLothar works for blizz now? O_O`
`21:59.31`	`Kirkburn`	`He must be losing his touch (of BSO death)`
`21:59.39`	`krka`	`you better stay and be our slouken #2 :)`
`21:59.41`	`Iriel`	`Kirkburn : That's the version everyone points to (Actually they go with the 'bin' rather than the 'fullbin' one), so you can continue with it 8-)`
`21:59.47`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Speaking of secretive, what about your addons? Is Blizzard OK with letting you keep working on addons?`
`22:00.00`	`AnduinLothar`	`they don't really get much of a choice`
`22:00.06`	`Kirkburn`	`Iriel: the download is way over the ftp reported size now ...`
`22:00.07`	`Iriel`	`I suspect he'll start losing sleep and only talking to us on the weekends, and even then, not about WoW 8-)`
`22:00.12`	`kremonte`	`question: in a pattern does (.) match just 1 character? (ie (.)(.)(.) matches a,b,c or 1,2,3, and (...) matches abc or 123) ?`
`22:00.19`	`krka`	`boobie pattern!`
`22:00.22`	`Iriel`	`Kirkburn : Your browser is telling you the 'decompressed' size,possibly`
`22:00.23`	`AnduinLothar`	`sleep? whats that?`
`22:00.25`	`krka`	`triple boobs scare me thouggh`
`22:00.29`	`Iriel`	`kremonte : Yes`
`22:00.33`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`kremonte: Yes, . matches one character of any type`
`22:00.34`	`krka`	`reminds me of total recall`
`22:00.36`	`kremonte`	`thanks`
`22:00.38`	`Iriel`	`kremonte : . on its own is any one character`
`22:00.41`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Hence why we have .+, which makes 1 or more`
`22:00.48`	`kremonte`	`(i'm making a godawful mod for a guildie)`
`22:00.52`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`s/makes/matches/`
`22:01.04`	`Kirkburn`	`Iriel: IE7 isn't reporting a percentage atm. Up to 40 meg now`
`22:01.30`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`AnduinLothar: Aha! So that enforces my belief that all the good addons are made by Blizzard employees working directly under slouken, if not slouken himself.`
`22:01.39`	`Kirkburn`	`Iriel: Hey, at least it's a good test of my new net connection`
`22:01.39`	`krka`	`my god emacs is big... does it come with a decent text editor these days?`
`22:02.20`	`Kirkburn`	`I must work under slouken then. Wonder where he's hiding ...`
`22:02.43`	`Cairenn`	`omg, I am SO not saying anything`
`22:02.53`	`Kirkburn`	`I did wonder where all the private jets in my driveway were coming from ...`
`22:03.15`	`Kirkburn`	`The trashmen can't keep up with the disposable planes lying around`
`22:03.45`	`krka`	`that proves that I'm not a blizzard employee then :)`
`22:03.53`	`Kirkburn`	`Um, I'm now up to 65 meg ... this is going to stop isn't it iriel?`
`22:04.07`	`Iriel`	`Kirkburn : You're the one who is using IE7 as your ftp client`
`22:04.12`	`Iriel`	`Kirkburn : I have no idea what it's doing`
`22:04.17`	`Shadowd`	`It should be only about 18 MB`
`22:04.28`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Disposable plane? Yes, slouken is really a mystical elf the size of your thumb that creates powerful works of programming using magic.`
`22:04.29`	`Iriel`	`Kirkburn : My guess is it's being "helpful" and decompressing the file`
`22:04.42`	`Kirkburn`	`What can I say? It isn't, it's 69meg according to 7zip`
`22:04.47`	`Shadowd`	`Windows says the decompressed size is 66 MB though`
`22:05.27`	`Kirkburn`	`Windows is reporting the tar file as 69 meg. Maybe IE7 got to it there too ...`
`22:05.54`	`Kirkburn`	`GenNMX\|Thrae: is his real name 'tom'?`
`22:06.25`	`Cairenn`	`no, it isn't`
`22:06.40`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Slouken's real name is "Sam", I believe.`
`22:06.46`	`Cairenn`	`yes, it is`
`22:06.59`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it was "Sam Louken".`
`22:07.08`	`Iriel`	`GenNMX\|Thrae : it's not`
`22:07.12`	`Iriel`	`GenNMX\|Thrae : the latter, that is`
`22:07.31`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Aww, I guess I didn't give the old man enough credit ;)`
`22:07.31`	`Kirkburn`	`Samuel Ouken?`
`22:07.39`	`Cairenn`	`no`
`22:07.40`	`wereHamster`	`so.. how many of you work for blizzard ?`
`22:07.46`	`Depherios`	`lol`
`22:08.47`	`wereHamster`	`I'm wondering if this is a secret blizzard channel ... under what nick does slouken hide?`
`22:09.05`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`slouken IS a nick...`
`22:09.07`	`Cairenn`	`it isn't, he doesn't, when he's in channel, he uses slouken`
`22:09.27`	`wereHamster`	`GenNMX\|Thrae, yeah, but he wouldn't use that nick here.. I guess`
`22:09.31`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`We just established he doesn't just his first initial and last name :D`
`22:09.47`	`wereHamster`	`I may be wrong as well..`
`22:10.11`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Maybe it's "Sam Nekuol"`
`22:10.15`	`Kirkburn`	`Well done. I'm guessing there are others here who have been able to establish rather more than that`
`22:10.19`	`Cairenn`	`nope`
`22:10.28`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`"Sam Clemens"`
`22:10.31`	`Kirkburn`	`20 questions time?`
`22:10.37`	`Kirkburn`	`Is it a vegetable?`
`22:10.47`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Is slouken's real name bigger then a bread box?`
`22:10.55`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`22:10.58`	`AnduinLothar`	`"a bread box" ?`
`22:11.07`	`Depherios`	`XD`
`22:11.15`	`Depherios`	`I was going to ask that`
`22:11.16`	`Kirkburn`	`A box which contains the body of christ`
`22:11.44`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Oh really? I thought it just contained bread. That's kinda gross.`
`22:11.52`	`Kirkburn`	`No wait, are you saying u don't know what a bread box is?`
`22:11.54`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`It would have to be pretty big then, too.`
`22:12.09`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Honestly, I never really thought about it.`
`22:12.19`	`Kirkburn`	`No, not you!`
`22:12.24`	`Kirkburn`	`Yes it just contains bread :p`
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`22:12.51`	`Kirkburn`	`I'm noticing a lack of reply for Cair - does this mean we're close?`
`22:12.52`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`You got me there for a minute, because the "body of christ" also refers to special bread in some religions >.<`
`22:13.13`	`Kirkburn`	`it's a vegetable shaped large coffin?`
`22:13.21`	`wereHamster`	`just use google to find his real name... it's not that hard..`
`22:13.32`	`AnduinLothar`	`is when u work for blizz`
`22:13.33`	`Shadowd`	`but not as fun`
`22:13.46`	`AnduinLothar`	`you get a team of lawyers obscuring your identity`
`22:14.02`	`Kirkburn`	`The names are of the WoW credits are they not?`
`22:14.04`	`Kirkburn`	`*on`
`22:14.06`	`AnduinLothar`	`they haven't gotten me to sign nda yet`
`22:14.28`	`Kirkburn`	`Well, do you know anything u shouldn't yet?`
`22:14.34`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`AnduinLothar: Who go "Why do you login to IRC with "s=Sam"?!?!"`
`22:14.35`	`AnduinLothar`	`;)`
`22:15.35`	`Kirkburn`	`Well, I found his name. Vegetable shaped coffin was a little off`
`22:15.58`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Ah yes, 5th hit`
`22:16.38`	`Kirkburn`	`Erm, I thought they were supposed to take new names?`
`22:17.10`	`Cairenn`	`according to whom?`
`22:17.30`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Here's some programming projects he's worked on, interesting...`
`22:17.53`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`OK, who are we stalking next? Tigole?`
`22:18.17`	`Depherios`	`oh... so Anduin, does this mean you'll get to make popup menus work right by DEFAULT? XD`
`22:18.27`	`Cairenn`	`QA, not dev`
`22:18.54`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`He's working in QA, which from my experience, means no one will listen to his ideas until he's part of the "senior" team unfortunately`
`22:20.08`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Some companies have programming departments that treat QA as their mortal enemy. I mean, it's a QA Tester's job to point out all the plain-fact logic and syntax mistakes made in your program!`
`22:20.31`	`AnduinLothar`	`i`
`22:20.48`	`Kirkburn`	`I do hope it'll be fun :) Perhaps you'll see the weather b4 us`
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`22:21.20`	`Kolth`	`Metaphor?`
`22:21.30`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`I think Kirkburn means weather effects added to WoW ;)`
`22:21.36`	`Cairenn`	`oooooooh`
`22:22.00`	`Cairenn`	`(sorry, silly mood, again)`
`22:22.03`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`"And as a brand-new addition to the Blizzard QA Team, you get your very own Dopplar Radar!"`
`22:22.13`	`Kirkburn`	`Ooh, who's he?`
`22:22.27`	`Cairenn`	`who's who?`
`22:22.37`	`Kirkburn`	`Dopplar Radar`
`22:23.02`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Now are you being silly?`
`22:23.13`	`Kirkburn`	`:(`
`22:23.37`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Oh, well, the Dopplar Radar is a tool used by meteorologists to try and predict the weather.`
`22:23.43`	`Kirkburn`	`I'm sure there was a reference there though, which I must have missed (doppler?)`
`22:23.55`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Maybe it's spelled Doppler.`
`22:24.12`	`Kirkburn`	`Ah! I see your reference now :)`
`22:24.23`	`Kirkburn`	`And I had a hydrology lecture today ... on rain.`
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`22:33.06`	`Tem`	`I think I'm going to buy this shirt http://www.80stees.com/images/products/Size_Matters_Mario_T.jpg`
`22:34.07`	`AnduinLothar`	`i'm gonna order a shirt to wear first day to work, what should i get?`
`22:34.28`	`Tain`	`Hey Tem, someone put up a "proof of concept" addon that sends info to the G15 LCD on another board. Countdown to new G15 threads on the Interface forums in 3.. 2..`
`22:35.26`	`Cairenn`	`what, like this one? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=315202&p=1&tmp=1#post315202`
`22:36.07`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Tain: Addon, as in a real WoW Addon, or does it use some third-party program in tandem?`
`22:36.48`	`Tain`	`Uses a third-party memory scanner. I told the dev it wouldn't be allowed, but I know people will use it until it's added to Warden, or whatever.`
`22:37.43`	`Iriel`	`It hooks sprintf`
`22:38.34`	`Tem`	`Lol good answer: "Except for severe pathological cases, a SavedVariable can be any Lua variable."`
`22:40.07`	`Tain`	`It is funny that the author didn't think it was agains the EULA/TOS.`
`22:42.20`	`Tem`	`I'm amazed that anyone would be advanced enough to hook sprintf to pull specific info from the game in real-time and NOT know that it would be a violation of the EULA/TOS`
`22:42.48`	`GenNMX\|Thrae`	`Hackers are all anarchists ;)`
`22:43.08`	`Shadowd`	`Did he truely not know it wasn't a violation? Or is he saying something like "I'm not hurting anyway, so it must be okay"`
`22:43.17`	`Shadowd`	`err, hurting anyone`
`22:43.45`	`Tain`	`He said he doesn't see how it violates.`
`22:44.02`	`Maldivia`	`it's a 3rd party program interacting with WoW... that's all it takes :)`
`22:44.03`	`Iriel`	`He explicitly says he doesn't think it violate`
`22:44.23`	`Kirkburn`	`Cosmos users, start showing support for it on the ui.worldofwar.net shoutbox, it's been getting bad press from certain people!`
`22:44.39`	`Tain`	`I'm guessing the thought process is that he isn't modifying WoW in any technical way.`
`22:44.44`	`AnduinLothar`	`So... Shirt options: http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/gaming/6c76/`
`22:44.50`	`AnduinLothar`	`http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/gaming/76e8/`
`22:44.56`	`AnduinLothar`	`http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/gaming/69f3/`
`22:45.02`	`AnduinLothar`	`http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/gaming/7215/`
`22:45.06`	`AnduinLothar`	`http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/gaming/7c02/`
`22:45.15`	`AnduinLothar`	`http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/gaming/6965/`
`22:45.21`	`AnduinLothar`	`or http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/gaming/59d2/`
`22:46.04`	`AnduinLothar`	`think i'd better not wear my hacker shirt`
`22:46.21`	`wereHamster`	`Do preloded DLLs violate the EULA/TOS? or does it only concern executables that modify WoW data/executables?`
`22:46.50`	`Maldivia`	`if it interacts specifically with WoW, it violates...`
`22:47.09`	`Shadowd`	`(iii) use any third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through World of Warcraft`
`22:47.20`	`Shadowd`	`I'd imagine thats one part of it that it's violating from the TOS.`
`22:47.56`	`wereHamster`	`great, I violate this everytime I play WoW..`
`22:48.44`	`AnduinLothar`	`I think I'll go with "+20 Shirt of Smiting"`
`22:49.46`	`Maldivia`	`uhh, I have a program that calls SetWindowsHook, to install a global keyboard hook, to catch MM-key pressed... thereby forcing WoW to load my dll on startup...`
`22:49.58`	`Shadowd`	`Yeah, I'm not sure wearing a shirt saying "WTS [Wang] x 1 PST" would go over that well`
`22:50.07`	`Kirkburn`	`That's weird ... I wasn't expecting to get DoS attacks on my broadband - is that normal?`
`22:50.20`	`Maldivia`	`yeah, the [Wang] might give the wrong expression...`
`22:50.22`	`Iriel`	`Kirkburn : Yes`
`22:50.29`	`AnduinLothar`	`heh. They're really laid back. just dont wanna give the girlies the wrong impression`
`22:50.31`	`Kirkburn`	`Iriel: ta`
`22:50.35`	`Iriel`	`Kirkburn : Well, somewhat, you'd get hits from viruses and stuff`
`22:50.38`	`Shadowd`	`Same with the lan one`
`22:50.39`	`Tain`	`There's already a "catch-all" in the EULA. Actually, two. Anything that isn't Blizzard supplied can be termed illegal to the game at any time they want.`
`22:51.01`	`Kirkburn`	`Iriel: now I just need to see if I can restrict the others' bandwidth usage ;)`
`22:51.15`	`Shadowd`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:51.15`	`AnduinLothar`	`And i do have a Bawls bottle collection..`
`22:51.26`	`AnduinLothar`	`and it's night shift..`
`22:51.57`	`Kirkburn`	`You know those big screens they have up in club which u can txt msgs to?`
`22:52.05`	`Shadowd`	`Any good docs regarding XML and WoW? Having some issues getting some KeyPress stuff working correctly.`
`22:52.16`	`Kirkburn`	`In between professing my love for my gf, I decided to send "LFG SCHOLOMANCE" :D`
`22:52.44`	`Shadowd`	`AnduinLothar: Depends who you're working with I suppose, the smiting or WASD one would probably be safest for your first day since it's not like they could be offended or take it the wrong way.`
`22:52.45`	`Kirkburn`	`(I'm not stupid, gf comes first!)`
`22:53.08`	`Kirkburn`	`Anduin: The more original, the better`
`22:53.19`	`AnduinLothar`	`ya wang is outplayed def`
`22:53.29`	`AnduinLothar`	`gonna go with smiting, it's newer`
`22:53.42`	`AnduinLothar`	`plus i just got my Halberd of Smiting`
`22:53.52`	`AnduinLothar`	`and Smote is the best past tense ever`
`22:54.45`	`AnduinLothar`	`even works for mages: "...and I smote his ruin on the mountain side..."`
`22:55.44`	`kremonte`	`anyone know the name of that hunter weapon mod? :Q`
`22:57.26`	`Kirkburn`	`For nef?`
`22:57.30`	`kremonte`	`no`
`22:57.37`	`kremonte`	`the one that puts Classes: Hunter on every item`
`22:58.10`	`Kirkburn`	`I still want my +5 Ninja, +3 Incredible Hulk addon`
`22:58.57`	`kremonte`	`http://www3.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=2844 w00t`
`22:59.59`	`Kirkburn`	`No one understands that joke on some EU servers :s`
`23:00.08`	`kremonte`	`lol`
`23:00.19`	`kremonte`	`i'm just using it to see how to modify the itemref tooltip`
`23:00.21`	`kremonte`	`making a mod for my guildie`
`23:01.18`	`AnduinLothar`	`wow... http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/audio/7c9d/`
`23:01.31`	`kremonte`	`wow`
`23:01.39`	`Kirkburn`	`A better version: "Classes: Not Yours"`
`23:02.13`	`Kirkburn`	`White overload!`
`23:02.19`	`kremonte`	`lol`
`23:02.26`	`kremonte`	`yeah it shows every class except yours`
`23:02.44`	`AnduinLothar`	`lol: http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/audio/7fd5/`
`23:03.46`	`AnduinLothar`	`lol krem. we should toss that in cosmos for a day..`
`23:04.00`	`Kirkburn`	`Genius!`
`23:04.27`	`AnduinLothar`	`damn, april's so far off,,`
`23:04.49`	`Kirkburn`	`I wouldn't mind one or two small fun addons with cosmos`
`23:05.10`	`Kirkburn`	`As logn as they came disabled, otherwise ... er ... well, I think you know`
`23:05.31`	`Maldivia`	`AnduinLothar: hehe, like this one "Important Note: Please don't confuse your speakers with the box you receive them in."`
`23:05.44`	`AnduinLothar`	`lol nah, i'm gonna find some day when no one expects it and thro it in alpha for a bit and remove it liek 24 hrs later`
`23:06.50`	`Iriel`	`ooh, new API function version, buildnum, builddate = GetBuildInfo()`
`23:06.59`	`Maldivia`	`Finally!`
`23:07.02`	`Tem`	`why?`
`23:07.05`	`Tem`	`for what purpose`
`23:07.47`	`Iriel`	`You can write addons that bitch if people edit their toc?`
`23:08.20`	`Kirkburn`	`Not a bad thing`
`23:08.22`	`Maldivia`	`releasing 1.10 addons while 1.9 is still live, and it auto-activates the 1.10 stuff when 1.10 is live`
`23:08.33`	`Kirkburn`	`Now that is a good idea`
`23:09.03`	`Iriel`	`Much of my 1.10 stuff is so I can REMOVE code`
`23:09.06`	`Kirkburn`	`Iriel: not a bad thing meaning, I can't understand why people still insist of editing .toc files ... fools.`
`23:09.08`	`Tain`	`Especially when it comes to things that need to be updated for 1.10, but different functionality for 1.9.`
`23:09.09`	`Iriel`	`so that wouldn't help me 8-(`
`23:09.20`	`Tain`	`It would have been great for the scaling changes, for example.`
`23:09.31`	`Iriel`	`But you can detect those changes already`
`23:09.33`	`Iriel`	`test for new methods`
`23:09.35`	`Kirkburn`	`Or for ClearFont`
`23:09.48`	`kremonte`	`wow`
`23:09.51`	`Iriel`	`since you can't programatically NOT load xml, it's not that helpful`
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`23:09.53`	`Kirkburn`	`If that had been in 1.9 :p`
`23:09.56`	`Kirkburn`	`darn`
`23:09.57`	`kremonte`	`does the Hunterloot addon lua make ANY sense?`
`23:09.58`	`Maldivia`	`I had a if UIParent.GetEffectiveScale then test, to check for 1.9 :)`
`23:10.09`	`Iriel`	`nod @maldivia`
`23:10.13`	`Tain`	`Yes, but you have to add more logic to test for method changes.`
`23:10.43`	`Maldivia`	`kremonte: yeah... it does`
`23:10.46`	`Iriel`	`It's going to be a more reliable test that the build number`
`23:10.55`	`Tain`	`Really though does it matter if you can hack around a way to do things today? It's still nice to have solid information returned.`
`23:11.02`	`kremonte`	`Maldivia: :\|`
`23:11.04`	`Maldivia`	`kremonte: although, I think it could have been done A LOT easier :)`
`23:11.07`	`kremonte`	`i don't understand how it works`
`23:11.26`	`kremonte`	`you see, all i want to do is scan the tooltip for all it's stats`
`23:11.31`	`Tain`	`If the build number says one thing and it doesn't provide functionality that that build number is supposed to have, then there's a bigger issue.`
`23:11.33`	`kremonte`	`do some math with them, then add a white line on the bottom ><`
`23:11.41`	`Kirkburn`	`Rumours, rumours: Rumor 2: At next E3, MS will announce a parternship with Blizzard that`
`23:11.41`	`Kirkburn`	`will bring World of Warcraft exclusively to 360. The deal is`
`23:11.42`	`Kirkburn`	`done, and Blizzard is working on porting the game and a console`
`23:11.42`	`Kirkburn`	`control scheme. This game will also include a unannounced`
`23:11.42`	`Kirkburn`	`expansion that the PC gamers will have to wait about a month to get`
`23:11.42`	`Kirkburn`	`after we get this game. Only 360 gamers will be on specific 360`
`23:11.44`	`Kirkburn`	`servers, the game will include voice chat, and`
`23:11.46`	`Kirkburn`	`it wouldn't work with PC gamers.`
`23:11.53`	`Kirkburn`	`*oh you STUPID thing`
`23:12.11`	`Iriel`	`I meant in terms of having to check for point releases, and unexpected function pullouts during QA, and all that`
`23:12.35`	`Iriel`	`Hm, i'd have to get a 360 just to test my addons`
`23:12.37`	`Iriel`	`8-)`
`23:12.43`	`Tain`	`For most functionality you should only need to be checking for prod release numbers.`
`23:12.57`	`Iriel`	`I think they would probably want to wait until it's a console that normal people can BUY`
`23:13.03`	`Kirkburn`	`What kind of incompetent page designer makes every line an actual new line :s`
`23:13.14`	`kremonte`	`that sounds like a lie? :S`
`23:13.17`	`AnduinLothar`	`lol ms and blizz..`
`23:13.21`	`Maldivia`	`kremonte: the hunter thing: the OnShow is called when GameTooltip is shown (the frame is parented to gametooltip, hence shown/hidden with gametooltip)`
`23:13.36`	`Kirkburn`	`Courtesy of http://www.xbox360news.com`
`23:13.38`	`Tain`	`There's 360s on the shelves near me now. I'm still not buying one until there's actual games I want to play.`
`23:13.38`	`kremonte`	`why would they do an exclusive partnership with MS if WoW is on Mac?`
`23:13.45`	`Iriel`	`Tain: No, there aren't`
`23:13.52`	`Iriel`	`Tain: No anywhere near real urban areas`
`23:13.53`	`Kirkburn`	`kremonte: Irrelevant`
`23:14.11`	`Maldivia`	`kremonte: console exclusive...`
`23:14.15`	`kremonte`	`and the expansion coming out on 360 a month prior to PC?`
`23:14.19`	`Tain`	`Boston and Providence aren't real. :(`
`23:14.21`	`Iriel`	`Tain: Unless you count the hour (3 if it's a core system) between when it hits the shelf and sells out`
`23:14.33`	`kremonte`	`i dunno, it just sounds like a lie to me`
`23:14.38`	`Iriel`	`I have yet to see a system on a shelf`
`23:14.50`	`Iriel`	`EBGames leave empty boxes on their shelves, which is just mean`
`23:14.52`	`Tain`	`That's why I said, 'Near me.'`
`23:15.03`	`Maldivia`	`kremonte: it sounds like a rumour :)`
`23:15.05`	`Iriel`	`Well, ok 8-)`
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`23:15.37`	`Tem`	`I would be angry if blizzard spent time porting WoW to the xbox`
`23:15.43`	`Kirkburn`	`Caydiem: In the next patch, we are reducing the relative power of Fun to be more in line with what was originally intended. We feel this is the best choice for the game's delicate balance, and will closely monitor the indirect effects of this change. Thank you for understanding.`
`23:15.47`	`Tem`	`because it would be time they could be spending making mage spells work`
`23:16.01`	`Iriel`	`What's wrong with your spells?`
`23:16.04`	`Tem`	`Blin`
`23:16.06`	`Tem`	`Blink*`
`23:16.15`	`Maldivia`	`hehe, I was about to say the same thing :)`
`23:16.16`	`Shadowd`	`Arcane Missile apparently still has some issues`
`23:16.18`	`Iriel`	`Does arcane missiles work reliably now? I haven't played my mage in a while`
`23:16.23`	`Tem`	`no it doesn't`
`23:16.24`	`Tain`	`It would likely be a different team entirely, with a different budget anyway.`
`23:16.35`	`Maldivia`	`if by reliable, you mean 95% of the time, it works - then yes`
`23:16.55`	`Tain`	`I haven't played my 60 mage in at least a year probably.`
`23:17.06`	`Tem`	`it still does the "take an unreasonable ammount of mana and let you sit there channeling something for 5 second without actually doing any damage" thing from time to time`
`23:17.09`	`Kirkburn`	`That's a long time Tain`
`23:17.36`	`Iriel`	`Reliable is 100% of the itme`
`23:17.37`	`Kirkburn`	`The EU anniversary is coming up very soon`
`23:17.51`	`Tem`	`also, I frequently burn a cold snap (10 minute cooldown) in an attempt to hit iceblock or ice barrier in a time of need and have it not properly refresh all my cooldowns.`
`23:17.57`	`Tain`	`Yeah well I quickly got tired of playing a mage in MC.`
`23:18.12`	`Tem`	`9 times out of 10, when cold snap fails, I die`
`23:18.19`	`Tain`	`Yeah Tem, that was an issue when I played too.`
`23:18.20`	`Maldivia`	`Tem: I HATE that bug... it's so annoying`
`23:18.22`	`cladhaire`	`You die.`
`23:18.24`	`cladhaire`	`You Vanish.`
`23:18.33`	`cladhaire`	`Had it happen before =(`
`23:18.36`	`kremonte`	`pfft`
`23:18.38`	`kremonte`	`You die.`
`23:18.48`	`kremonte`	`Your items suffer a 10% durability loss`
`23:18.52`	`kremonte`	`Your Major Healthstone heals you for 1240`
`23:18.53`	`kremonte`	`You die`
`23:18.56`	`kremonte`	`Your items suffer a 10% durability loss`
`23:18.58`	`kremonte`	`i love that :D`
`23:19.04`	`Maldivia`	`cladhaire: combat events is what the client think is happening, not what's actually happening`
`23:19.22`	`Tain`	`Stupid client.`
`23:19.39`	`kremonte`	`Maldivia: the client still thinks it used up the cooldown though. and it does. :)`
`23:19.49`	`Tem`	`The other day in WSG I was trying to catch a rogue flag carrier. I was about 20 yards off so I hit blink. I went backwards and the rogue capped the flag where I could have stopped him long enough for my teammates to kill and regain the flag.`
`23:19.54`	`Maldivia`	`kremonte: yeah - I know`
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`23:20.09`	`ForgottenLords`	`gotta love lag`
`23:20.13`	`Tain`	`One of the things that was funny about EQ when I played is that sometimes you could successfully cast a spell after you died.`
`23:20.14`	`cladhaire`	`Maldavia: Yes, I know.`
`23:20.46`	`kremonte`	`Maldivia: by the way, is there any simple way just to add a line to GameTooltip after reading what's on it?`
`23:20.55`	`Tem`	`and for the record, Iriel, I really like your event idea.`
`23:20.57`	`Iriel`	`kremonte : Call AddLine then Show`
`23:21.00`	`Maldivia`	`GameTooltip:AddLine(...)`
`23:21.27`	`kremonte`	`is it possible in just /script thou?`
`23:21.29`	`Tain`	`A drunken debauchery event?`
`23:21.35`	`Maldivia`	`Another Blink bug... if you blink while falling - where previously, that would/could save you from fall damage, now freezes the game, and blink you to the ground with full fall damage...`
`23:21.54`	`Tem`	`occasionally frostbolt does no damage, takes my mana, AND causes aggro`
`23:22.01`	`Tem`	`YAY!`
`23:22.07`	`Maldivia`	`Resisted`
`23:22.10`	`Tem`	`nope`
`23:22.15`	`Tain`	`Well Blink shouldn't save you from fall damage. Not good to replace on ebug with another. But still. :)`
`23:22.21`	`Tem`	`That's what I used to think`
`23:22.21`	`kremonte`	`that wouldnt cause you aggro =P`
`23:22.31`	`Tem`	`but I checked the combat log, and no resist message`
`23:22.33`	`Shadowd`	`It was fun being able to live using PW:S though Tain`
`23:22.47`	`Tem`	`meh, the fall damage trick is just that, a trick`
`23:22.50`	`Maldivia`	`well, a hostile spell will always cause aggro, no matter if it hits or not`
`23:23.05`	`Tem`	`right, but there is no message of hit or miss`
`23:23.14`	`Tem`	`so it's like something got lost somewhere`
`23:23.17`	`Tain`	`That's why you have ... uh... the feather spell.`
`23:23.23`	`Maldivia`	`Slow Fall`
`23:23.36`	`Tem`	`Yeah that spell makes me a little angry`
`23:23.38`	`Tem`	`Priests have a better one`
`23:23.44`	`Tem`	`does the same and more`
`23:23.50`	`Tain`	`I remember jumping down somewhere with Slow Fall to see what was down there.`
`23:23.50`	`Iriel`	`Priests have help from God`
`23:23.50`	`Tem`	`for the same reagent cost`
`23:23.55`	`Tem`	`but lasts for 2 minutes`
`23:23.56`	`Tain`	`As I slow-fell into elite giants.`
`23:23.57`	`Maldivia`	`only thing I have about Levitate, is that you can't jump with levitate`
`23:24.08`	`Tem`	`instead of a weak 30 seconds`
`23:24.12`	`Kirkburn`	`I remember a fun time as a warlock going against a caster. The game froze, I never saw anything hit me from full health then I died and rezzed. Whilst running back to my corpse TEN shadow bolts hit me in slow succession, the last one as I neared my corspe 5 mins later!`
`23:24.39`	`Maldivia`	`Sounds like the Arcane Missiles bug :)`
`23:25.02`	`Tem`	`I wish they would have left the AM infinite distance bug in`
`23:25.08`	`Maldivia`	`I've been killed by arcane missiles in BG, ported to a grave yard, ressed, and then got hit by more arcane missiles`
`23:25.08`	`cladhaire`	`Tem: that one rocked =)`
`23:25.09`	`Tem`	`at least until they fixed the rest of the bugs ith it`
`23:25.14`	`Kirkburn`	`What was that?`
`23:25.31`	`Shadowd`	`AM had unlimited range basically, so you could "snipe" people in AB almost from the mill.`
`23:25.37`	`Maldivia`	`Tem: OHH, I loved that bug - made defending nodes in AB SO easy :)`
`23:25.44`	`Tem`	`yeah :)`
`23:25.52`	`AnduinLothar`	`AM?`
`23:25.57`	`Tem`	`arcane missiles`
`23:25.58`	`Maldivia`	`Arcane Missiles`
`23:25.58`	`AnduinLothar`	`nm`
`23:26.00`	`AnduinLothar`	`right`
`23:26.13`	`AnduinLothar`	`took me a sec, no mage here`
`23:26.30`	`Tem`	`I like the way they are going to review Shamen before mages`
`23:26.37`	`Shadowd`	`And rogues`
`23:26.40`	`Kirkburn`	`What's the current order?`
`23:26.44`	`Tem`	`as an objective person I find the humor in that`
`23:26.48`	`Tem`	`as a mage, I weep`
`23:26.57`	`Shadowd`	`Priest -> Shaman -> Rogue -> Mage I though?`
`23:27.02`	`Tem`	`I think that's right`
`23:27.07`	`Kirkburn`	`U need fixes though, not class reviews surely?`
`23:27.22`	`Tem`	`The mage class has room for improvement`
`23:27.28`	`Tem`	`but the largest issues are bugs`
`23:27.30`	`Kirkburn`	`So do they all`
`23:27.34`	`Shadowd`	`The Rogue class really doesn't need a class review, mages need it more then we do.`
`23:27.44`	`Kirkburn`	`It's not set in stone tho is it`
`23:27.50`	`Tem`	`god I hope not`
`23:28.06`	`Kirkburn`	`Shaman it pretty def after priest afaik`
`23:28.12`	`Shadowd`	`Iriel: Didn't realize that it was the EditBox eating the key board event. but is there any way to still get the event and keeping the EditBox in the same frame?`
`23:28.13`	`Tem`	`I don't see why`
`23:28.13`	`Kirkburn`	`But the others are prelim`
`23:28.29`	`Kirkburn`	`Maybe they'll get 'nerfed'`
`23:28.40`	`Tem`	`I find that hard to believe`
`23:28.51`	`Kirkburn`	`Of course, if shaman don't require much they can look at other classes at the same time`
`23:28.52`	`Tem`	`every class that got it's review was buffed`
`23:28.57`	`Tem`	`severely in some cases`
`23:29.07`	`Tem`	`(a la beast master hunter)`
`23:29.11`	`Shadowd`	`beat me to it!`
`23:29.30`	`Maldivia`	`Shadowd: hmm, dont have auto focus on the editbox, then it will only "eat" the events, when you actually have it selected...`
`23:29.52`	`Kirkburn`	`Btw, what IRC progs do people suggest?`
`23:29.56`	`Maldivia`	`I'm really looking forward to the priest changes`
`23:29.59`	`Tem`	`I'm on xChat atm`
`23:30.03`	`AnduinLothar`	`xchat`
`23:30.03`	`Shadowd`	`Thanks Maldivia`
`23:30.12`	`Tem`	`Maldivia: yeah they look nice`
`23:30.27`	`Shadowd`	`Did they post anything new on the priest changes since Friday?`
`23:30.34`	`Tem`	`Haven't looked`
`23:30.57`	`Kirkburn`	`Er, it's not free`
`23:30.58`	`Maldivia`	`XChat - yes...`
`23:31.00`	`Maldivia`	`Kirkburn: http://www.silverex.org/`
`23:31.07`	`Shadowd`	`PW:S is already annoying enough though`
`23:31.14`	`Tem`	`hehe`
`23:31.15`	`Maldivia`	`Kirkburn: it's free :)`
`23:31.28`	`Ktron\|afk`	`Kirkburn; you on windows? if so, I'm using a version of xchat too... let me find what build for you`
`23:31.49`	`Shadowd`	`It's not that bad as a rogue VS priest, but it's becomes a pain on warrior VS priest. That may also because i'm using a TUF/Rank 10 PVP gear though.`
`23:31.50`	`Tem`	`Recently I had an editbox this in it's XML: <OnEscapePressed> this:ClearFocus() </OnEscapePressed>`
`23:32.07`	`Tem`	`pressing Escape did nothing`
`23:32.17`	`Ktron\|afk`	`I'm using the daemon404 build of xchat for windows`
`23:32.34`	`Tem`	`I had to log out using mouse clicks in order to get keyboard focus back`
`23:32.36`	`Ktron\|afk`	`http://falcao.homelinux.org/~daemon404/`
`23:32.42`	`cladhaire`	`I'm definitely looking forward to the changes for priests`
`23:32.54`	`Shadowd`	`I'm interested in seeing how they change the Holy tree`
`23:33.02`	`Maldivia`	`I'm using Silverex' 2.6.0-2 build: http://www.silverex.org/download/`
`23:33.22`	`Kirkburn`	`Well what should I use? :)`
`23:33.39`	`Tem`	`though I'm a little concerned about the greater heal being shortened to a 3 second cast`
`23:34.00`	`Maldivia`	`Kirkburn: doesn't really matter, shouw be the same, more or less...`
`23:34.03`	`Tem`	`it will make Renew and Prayer of Healing the only heals that get full +healing bonus`
`23:34.06`	`Shadowd`	`Have they posted what the new amount it will heal is going to be? I can't imagine they would keep a 2.5 heal that can do about 3k non crit.`
`23:34.26`	`Shadowd`	`Or maybe it was 4,000 non crit. Can't really remember.`
`23:35.08`	`Maldivia`	`gheal Rank 5 (AQ drop) is : 2618 to 2922 - without any talents`
`23:35.20`	`Maldivia`	`will probably be lowered 25%`
`23:35.28`	`Maldivia`	`since casting time is lowered 25%`
`23:35.43`	`Kirkburn`	`will receive an approximate 10% improvement to mana efficiency`
`23:36.10`	`Maldivia`	`probably just a lower mana use, instead of an increased healing`
`23:38.02`	`Maldivia`	`if it's lowered 25%, that would mean a 1950-2200 heal, in 2.5sec`
`23:38.18`	`Maldivia`	`and more, when +healing talents are applied`
`23:40.03`	`Kirkburn`	`I think slouken will be disappointed with the lack of response to his announcement ... he even put an exclamation mark!`
`23:42.27`	`Tain`	`I know it probably makes me a bad person, but I emailed the G15 author with suggestions on how to make his Lua code not run every OnUpdate.`
`23:42.42`	`Depherios`	`lol`
`23:42.44`	`Maldivia`	`hehe`
`23:42.54`	`Maldivia`	`he asked for lua help :)`
`23:43.41`	`Maldivia`	`I broke the board :\|`
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`23:56.38`	`Ktron`	`I wish that we could connect to/talk to people in World of Warcraft without joining the game... like, didn't at least one other MMO use IRC (I think WoW uses IRC roughly) and allow people who weren't playing to still chat with players?`
`23:56.43`	`Ktron`	`I think Bnet works like that`
`23:56.58`	`Depherios`	`bnet doesnt' work like that really`
`23:57.04`	`Depherios`	`but you could connect with things like bnetbuddy`
`23:58.37`	`Ktron`	`well, regardless, I wish there was 'wowbuddy'`
`23:58.44`	`Depherios`	`ditto`
`23:59.18`	`Ktron`	`a way to see who is online ingame/online not ingame/offline and talk to people would be really nice...`

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