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| 00:17.49 | Violentnight | Hey guys... Anyone else been having problems with WoW since the server reset last night? My latency has been horrid and selecting log out keeps exiting the program. |
| 00:19.11 | Shadowd | Nope, it's been fine for me on Icecrown. |
| 00:19.27 | Cairenn | haven't logged in to notice one way or the other, sorry |
| 00:20.47 | Violentnight | I just logged into Elune--only had a 72-150 latency. But on Archimonde, I got 1500 |
| 00:21.25 | Violentnight | And http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ is being really slow too |
| 00:21.57 | Shadowd | Weird, seems to be fine for me. Perhaps it's your internet? |
| 00:23.15 | Cairenn | it's fine, lern2connect |
| 00:23.30 | Shadowd | You spelled connect correctly |
| 00:23.37 | Violentnight | I thought that at first and restarted everything, but other sites seem to be fine and my Network Connections thing reports my Local Area Connection at 100Mbps and my 1394 Connection (whatever that is) at 400Mbps |
| 00:23.41 | Cairenn | I know, I'm not very good at those =/ |
| 00:23.56 | Shadowd | You need one less "n" and perhaps throw in a few ! |
| 00:24.12 | Cairenn | never can quite get the hang of it |
| 00:25.57 | Violentnight | lern2konekt |
| 00:26.32 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 00:26.35 | Shadowd | haha |
| 00:28.33 | Cairenn | I think that was one of the funniest moments at BlizzCon, during one of the panels, when the prez of Blizz came out with the "its fine, lern2play" line |
| 00:29.36 | Cairenn | deadpan inflection, serious face, perfect timing, appropriate usage ... the room cracked up |
| 00:30.24 | Violentnight | what's a big file that I can download to test my dl speed? |
| 00:30.42 | Shadowd | 1.9 full WoW patch? |
| 00:31.24 | Violentnight | that'll work ^_^ |
| 00:33.02 | Violentnight | actually, no it won't... cause I'm trying to figure out if it's me or WoW and I already have the patch so I'd have to delete it and redownload all of it |
| 00:33.14 | Cairenn | sec |
| 00:33.23 | Shadowd | Ask for a database backup from cairen |
| 00:33.28 | Shadowd | *Cairenn |
| 00:33.56 | Cairenn | snag the fansite kit from here, it's 21 MB: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/other-downloads.html |
| 00:34.11 | Cairenn | should be big enough to give you an idea |
| 00:34.34 | Violentnight | a database backup? |
| 00:34.42 | Cairenn | not happening :p |
| 00:35.43 | Shadowd | It's probably about a 1 GB big, that should give you a good idea! |
| 00:36.01 | Violentnight | lol |
| 00:37.13 | Cairenn | see back to "not happening" |
| 00:37.42 | Shadowd | Could probably find a game demo you could download if the fansite kit isn't big enough. |
| 00:37.55 | Violentnight | that wow page still hasn't loaded |
| 00:38.03 | Cairenn | ewww, not good |
| 00:39.51 | Cairenn | a compilation from WoWI, checks in at 6.69 MB (largest one I could find on our site): http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4215 |
| 00:41.21 | Violentnight | 1.4 KB/sec.. woooo |
| 00:41.32 | Cairenn | that from my site? |
| 00:41.48 | Cairenn | or the Blizz one? |
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| 00:42.43 | Cairenn | hey trouble |
| 00:42.43 | futr-sleep | hey Cairenn |
| 00:43.26 | futrtrubl | so what is coming shortly Cair? |
| 00:44.38 | Violentnight | Orville Redenbacher is one scary looking mofo |
| 00:44.47 | Cairenn | not telling, it's a sekret |
| 00:45.17 | futrtrubl | ;'[ not even to us your most ardent supporters? |
| 00:45.27 | Cairenn | nope, not even to you |
| 00:45.32 | futrtrubl | poo |
| 00:46.23 | Cairenn | not everyone in this channel is an ardent supporter :p |
| 00:47.07 | futrtrubl | true ;'] but don't hold my lack of support against the rest of them |
| 00:47.14 | Cairenn | ! |
| 00:48.52 | Cairenn | uh huh |
| 00:48.58 | Cairenn | too late, my feelings are hurt now |
| 00:49.46 | Cairenn | oooooooooooooh |
| 00:50.04 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 00:51.43 | Cairenn | you know, if I ever go to Jamaica for vacation, I'm going to count on you to show me all the "real" stuff, not all the tourist trap stuff |
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| 00:58.32 | Tem | yay! free food! |
| 00:58.50 | Cairenn | lol |
| 01:00.11 | RaeVanMorlock | dangit.. I disabled the 1394 Connection and everything was doing well for a couple minutes, but now it's laggy again |
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| 01:33.54 | wowguru-2150 | hey |
| 01:33.56 | wowguru-2150 | how are you all? |
| 01:34.10 | zeeg | hola |
| 01:34.14 | zeeg | sorry i didnt respond in the other room |
| 01:34.14 | zeeg | :P |
| 01:34.20 | wowguru-2150 | need a lil advise on getting some quick gol din warcraft |
| 01:34.20 | wowguru-2150 | friend looking for a mount |
| 01:34.29 | wowguru-2150 | thats all right |
| 01:36.22 | wowguru-2150 | any ideas? |
| 01:40.49 | MentalPower | Auctioneer |
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| 01:43.15 | Violentnight | all better.. my router just needed to be restarted |
| 01:44.33 | wowguru-2150 | what about an item that has high drop rate worth alot? |
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| 01:49.44 | Violentnight | so now that that's taken care of--anyone seen this error before: "WTF\Account\<Name>\SavedVariables\<lua_file>:<line>:function or expression too complex near `,' |
| 01:50.06 | wowguru-2150 | what about an item that has high drop rate worth alot? |
| 01:50.10 | Shadowd | Nope. Whats the line have thats giving the error? |
| 01:50.31 | Violentnight | checkin that now, Shadowd |
| 01:50.50 | Shadowd | wowguru-2150: Hard work and dedication, theres no "easy" way to get money. |
| 01:51.17 | Violentnight | [1] = "General", |
| 01:51.33 | Shadowd | weired, how about the line above it? |
| 01:52.29 | Violentnight | interestingly.. the file is 8538 lines long and the last line is just "[" ... like it never finishes |
| 01:53.55 | Violentnight | but Auctioneer.lua is 84738 lines so I doubt I'm running around of room to save it all |
| 01:55.28 | Violentnight | I'm stickin the file in pastebin |
| 01:55.45 | Shadowd | Will it let you post a 8,500 line file? |
| 01:56.47 | Violentnight | apparently not ^_^ It only got to line 2362 and the supposed error is at 3978 |
| 01:58.53 | Shadowd | Should be able to find the issue with only 3966-3998 |
| 01:59.22 | Violentnight | weird... someTable.object = UIParent stores someTable.object[0] = nil and someTable.object.firstTimeLoaded = 1 -- does that seem right? |
| 02:00.19 | MentalPower | what addon are we talking about? |
| 02:00.35 | Shadowd | Could be it only likes the foo["test"] = { "bah" = "bar" }; format, not sure. |
| 02:01.18 | Violentnight | One that I'm making, MentalPower |
| 02:02.19 | Violentnight | http://wow.pastebin.com/539478 |
| 02:02.20 | GenNMX|Thrae | Shadowd: Does that syntax even work? I thought the key couldn't be in quotes. |
| 02:02.33 | Shadowd | Probably not |
| 02:03.12 | Shadowd | going from PHP -> Java -> LUA, so always forget which uses which to store arrays. |
| 02:03.50 | Violentnight | keys generally have to be either a string or a number... I've never seen anything else allowed |
| 02:04.57 | Violentnight | oh.. I bet I know what the problem is. The error says it's too 'complex' and at line 3978 is the first time that the table structure pans out that far |
| 02:05.09 | GenNMX|Thrae | Violentnight: What I mean is that I know table = { key = value } is allowed, I didn't know table = { "key" = value } was allowed |
| 02:05.35 | GenNMX|Thrae | But I guess that makes sense, since the key in both instances is a string |
| 02:07.28 | Violentnight | yeah ^_^ If you want a key with a space in it, you have to use quotes -- table["some key"]. If you do table[some key] it will error.. and table[someKey] (I believe) looks for a variable called someKey and uses it's value as the key |
| 02:08.23 | GenNMX|Thrae | Violentnight: I'm talking about setting the values, but you have a point |
| 02:08.43 | GenNMX|Thrae | If I had a key without a space, I would like to index it with table.key |
| 02:08.53 | GenNMX|Thrae | With a space, I use the standard hashing syntax |
| 02:17.18 | Shadowd | Hmm. Your character still saying it exists about 5 minutes later is probably a bad sign. |
| 02:17.31 | MentalPower | so, let me get this straight, you can only nest tables 6 deep? |
| 02:18.18 | Shadowd | I guess, going by the link that Violentnight gave though you'd imagine they would make it deeper. |
| 02:19.24 | Violentnight | no no no... I removed alot of the tabs in that link so that it would all fit on one line |
| 02:19.41 | GenNMX|Thrae | The question can be raised, why would you need a table 6 hashes deep? |
| 02:20.15 | MentalPower | so, how many tables deep was that Violentnight? |
| 02:20.38 | Shadowd | That too |
| 02:21.04 | Violentnight | GenNMX|Thrae: For what I'm doing ^_^ lol |
| 02:21.06 | Violentnight | I'm counting them now |
| 02:21.45 | Violentnight | 127 tabs... so 127 levels deep? |
| 02:21.59 | Shadowd | Thats a bit |
| 02:22.20 | Violentnight | still not enough ^_^ |
| 02:22.39 | Shadowd | What are you making that requires it that deep? |
| 02:22.59 | Violentnight | A structure of the UI |
| 02:24.50 | GenNMX|Thrae | Violentnight: But there are different ways to approach hashing, like you could do table[hash1 .. ":" .. hash2 .. ":" .. hash3] instead of table[hash1][hash2][hash3] |
| 02:25.35 | Shadowd | From what he posted, it looks like doing tyhat may not be really possible for what he needs. I could be missing something though |
| 02:25.54 | GenNMX|Thrae | A deeply nested table structure should be avoided at all costs, it kills WoW's Lua engine |
| 02:26.12 | Shadowd | Yeah. Just saying that doing it like you said may not be possible for what he needs. |
| 02:26.32 | GenNMX|Thrae | Heck, just trying to parse the existing UI table kills the Lua stack I hear |
| 02:26.44 | Violentnight | hehe |
| 02:27.12 | Violentnight | What I need is a way to iterate through all the elements and store their properties while mainting the parent/child hierarchy |
| 02:27.52 | GenNMX|Thrae | Violentnight: What does this addon actually do, besides store the structure of the UI? |
| 02:27.57 | Violentnight | hash1 .. ":" .. hash2 ... might work, but there's likely also a limit ot the length of a key |
| 02:28.38 | Violentnight | nothing at the moment ^_^ The goal is a Gui Editor |
| 02:29.01 | GenNMX|Thrae | Violentnight: http://www.wowace.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=568 |
| 02:29.03 | Cairenn | another one? cool |
| 02:29.25 | Shadowd | Good luck with that |
| 02:29.36 | GenNMX|Thrae | Take a look at that addon, Visor. It lets you change settings on every frame without adding too much overhead at all. |
| 02:30.12 | GenNMX|Thrae | Visor's goal was to save settings on any portion of the UI as efficiently as possible. |
| 02:30.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | It also has a gui, a separate addon called VisorGUI. |
| 02:30.55 | Cairenn | I presume you've already seen WoWUIDesigner, yes? |
| 02:31.54 | Violentnight | the 3rd party application that everyone complains about? |
| 02:32.20 | Cairenn | they do? |
| 02:32.33 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/index.php?cid=49&dp=0&sh=full&so=desc&sb=lastupdate |
| 02:32.43 | GenNMX|Thrae | Wait wait...is this a "GUI Editor" as in something to change settings of the WoW UI, or a "GUI Editor", an offline application to make GUIs? |
| 02:33.11 | Cairenn | that's what I'm trying to figure out, too |
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| 02:34.12 | GenNMX|Thrae | He was talking about doing this in Lua which confused me |
| 02:34.36 | Violentnight | hehe... Well my first idea was to make a 3rd party app like WoW UI Designer, but I realized that in doing so I'd basically have to recreate WoW's UI in order to get things to display the same... on top of that, testing it would require booting up WoW |
| 02:35.12 | Violentnight | So I figured that rather then recreate all that, I could make an in-game addon that would innately use WoW to show you during runtime what an addon would look like and how the LUA script would work and yadda yadda |
| 02:36.05 | Violentnight | And then it could also be used to change existing elements of the UI |
| 02:36.18 | Violentnight | which is basically all I have to work with until 1.10 comes out |
| 02:37.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yeah, until 1.10 comes out, I don't see how an in-game GUI script editor would work. |
| 02:37.38 | Cairenn | so, correct me if I misunderstood, but when you said "the third party app that everyone complains about?", were you in fact referring to WoWUIDes, and do they really? I thought most rather liked it |
| 02:38.07 | Shadowd | Being able to work inside WoW for UI stuff would be kind of nice, and it would also work for Mac's id imagine. |
| 02:39.13 | Violentnight | Cairenn: Hehe.. well maybe I'm wrong. I haven't heard much about it, but I have heard that some people have issues with things displaying different in the editor than in game. And looking at the screenshots, there seems to be some cropping issues with borders |
| 02:39.33 | Cairenn | hmph, hadn't heard that |
| 02:39.50 | Cairenn | not saying you are wrong, just saying hadn't heard it |
| 02:41.27 | Violentnight | Heh. I know. Even looking at the screens though you can see that the borders aren't being rendered in teh editor properly |
| 02:41.39 | Violentnight | And it is still in beta format so it's undoubtedly going to have some quirks |
| 02:42.23 | Violentnight | which is why I'd rather see an in-game editor ^_^ |
| 02:43.52 | Cairenn | okay, so rather than it being "everyone complains about", the more correct statement would be "isn't perfect" |
| 02:44.59 | Violentnight | yeah that ^_^ |
| 02:45.04 | Violentnight | I've heard rumors |
| 02:45.31 | Shadowd | Yours sounds like an interesting idea, wouldn't the one you do have more bugs though too since it would be in an earlier stage of dev then the other one though? |
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| 02:47.10 | Cairenn | don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to discourage you in the slightest |
| 02:47.11 | Violentnight | WoW UI Designer is a very impressive undertaking, no doubt. But for the months of work I'd put into doing something similar, I could put a few weeks work into an in-game designer |
| 02:47.40 | Cairenn | choice is always good, and maybe they could even compliment each other |
| 02:47.47 | Shadowd | True, well good luck with it. Will be interesting to see if you manage to finish it |
| 02:48.03 | Violentnight | Shadowd: not really... the bugs with the UI Designer, I imagine, come from attempting to recreate Blizzard's UI engine; whereas an in-game designer would already have access to that engine |
| 02:49.19 | GenNMX|Thrae | Violentnight: Anyway, back to the original discussion, you should look to Visor for a very tight yet effective database which keeps the parent->child relationship and ease of iteration. |
| 02:49.24 | Violentnight | And as for lua code.. we already have the /script command, so it's easy enough to imagine that one could use a textbox to type out more code, including functions and globals and the like, and execute it during run-time to see the effects rather than booting up WoW to test it |
| 02:49.45 | Violentnight | Will do, GenNMX|Thrae--gonna take me awhile though--the source looks huge |
| 02:55.27 | id` | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=4568 |
| 02:55.59 | id` | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=15223 |
| 02:56.01 | id` | OR |
| 02:56.26 | id` | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=15269 |
| 02:56.34 | id` | what is better? |
| 02:56.36 | id` | i ahve no idea |
| 02:56.56 | id` | cause i dont know how wow works |
| 02:57.01 | id` | if dps is everything or not |
| 02:57.13 | Shadowd | Would suggest a 2H for PVP, Taskmaster's axe is better though but you'd have to find someone to run you through to Sneed. |
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| 02:58.31 | id` | im lv 20 =( |
| 02:58.34 | Shadowd | Taskmaster has the same top end as the other 2h you listed. But you gain +8 STA/SPI |
| 02:59.30 | Shadowd | For leveling? I mostly switched between fury and 2h axe depending what I could find at the time, your better bet is going to D/W at the moment though. |
| 03:00.31 | id` | D/W ? |
| 03:00.40 | Cairenn | dual weild |
| 03:00.47 | id` | k |
| 03:00.57 | Shadowd | Fury = usually a duel wield build for a warrior. |
| 03:02.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | I'm still waiting for the "Dual Shield" Paladin! |
| 03:03.56 | GenNMX|Thrae | Seriously, there were shields that were designed to be two-handed, yet I don't know of any graphical MMORPG that implements one. |
| 03:05.54 | GenNMX|Thrae | It would be cool if a Paladin and/or Warrior could block projectile attacks and spells by sitting in the line of its trajectory with a two-handed shield. |
| 03:06.43 | Shadowd | Someone suggested a 30 point protection talent to be able to block a spell to some degree. |
| 03:07.02 | Shadowd | Would be an interesting spell if they could balance it correclty. |
| 03:15.33 | id` | we need more classes |
| 03:15.34 | id` | WAY more |
| 03:15.37 | id` | like |
| 03:15.38 | id` | 30 |
| 03:15.40 | id` | 40 |
| 03:15.41 | id` | :p |
| 03:15.44 | id` | like in Dao |
| 03:15.45 | id` | C |
| 03:15.46 | id` | >_> |
| 03:17.25 | GenNMX|Thrae | Spammer |
| 03:17.36 | GenNMX|Thrae | What is Dao? |
| 03:18.27 | Cairenn | DAoC |
| 03:18.43 | Cairenn | Dark Age of Camelot |
| 03:18.48 | Shadowd | Hmm. the game not letting you log out in IF is a bad sign i'm guessing. |
| 03:19.10 | GenNMX|Thrae | Ahh, THOSE type of classes |
| 03:19.45 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well, DAoC suffered from the EQ style of "one class one job", WoW was trying to get out of that |
| 03:20.23 | id` | well wow can be played by retards |
| 03:20.36 | GenNMX|Thrae | But I think WoW strayed a bit from its original goal, it's getting back on track |
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| 03:20.42 | id` | i want spec lines and no binding items |
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| 03:20.53 | id` | anyone can paly wow |
| 03:20.59 | id` | and anyone can make money |
| 03:21.02 | id` | thats sad |
| 03:21.20 | id` | making money and being a craftsman should go in hand with KNOWING people and dealing with them |
| 03:21.29 | id` | not stuffing your shit on the ah to fetch gold |
| 03:21.42 | GenNMX|Thrae | DAoC was the same way with its Vendors |
| 03:21.48 | id` | how |
| 03:22.11 | GenNMX|Thrae | Because you don't need to know someone to buy from their house Vendor? |
| 03:22.12 | id` | keke wow needs an animist type class |
| 03:22.33 | id` | GenNMX|Thrae: its still different |
| 03:22.59 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yeah, WoW needs separation of its Auction House with buy-direct Mercants, I agree there |
| 03:23.35 | GenNMX|Thrae | What, 90% of the stuff on the AH gets bought out? It defeats the purpose of the Auction. |
| 03:26.00 | GenNMX|Thrae | Anyway I need to stop talking about DAoC, it'll make me want to go back to it again =/ |
| 03:32.49 | ScytheBlade1 | <GenNMX|Thrae> What, 90% of the stuff on the AH gets bought out? It defeats the purpose of the Auction. <-- thankfully |
| 03:32.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I place a bid on most all of the silk on my server |
| 03:33.02 | ScytheBlade1 | and stick it up with a BO |
| 03:33.06 | ScytheBlade1 | and make 20g or so every time |
| 03:59.01 | zeeg | hrmmm |
| 03:59.05 | zeeg | i need a web designer to partner w/ |
| 04:05.58 | id` | im just coder ;) |
| 04:06.01 | id` | nn |
| 04:08.21 | Cairenn | night id` |
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| 04:15.05 | Cairenn | hey End |
| 04:15.40 | Violentnight | morning, End |
| 04:22.02 | Violentnight | in FauxScrollFrame_Update() does anyone know how the valueStep parameter works? |
| 04:22.42 | End | hi |
| 04:23.04 | End | I've been up all day, but failed to notice my nick indicated I was still sleeping until now |
| 04:23.29 | Cairenn | heh |
| 04:23.41 | Cairenn | I've been known to do the same thing End ;) |
| 04:24.51 | Violentnight | I usually just sleep all day long |
| 04:24.58 | Ktron | purl, Pollita is one of the few people who deserve to be ganked forever, and can be generally found in ##php. |
| 04:25.00 | purl | Ktron: okay |
| 04:25.13 | Cairenn | uh oh |
| 04:25.22 | Ktron | hey everyone |
| 04:25.31 | Cairenn | hey Ktron |
| 04:25.40 | Cairenn | I take it you are unimpressed by said person? |
| 04:25.55 | Ktron | yeah, I got booted by them out of php twice today |
| 04:26.09 | Cairenn | why? |
| 04:26.50 | Cairenn | I mean, they must have had some sort of a reason? (whether justified or not) |
| 04:27.10 | Cairenn | or just a fucktard? |
| 04:27.23 | Ktron | first time I asked a question that I should have read a little more, but it wasn't that bad-- it would be like saying "I can use /script to run SomeLuaCommand?" but for php |
| 04:27.49 | Cairenn | they *kicked* you, for *that*? |
| 04:28.24 | Ktron | I apologized, and one person was helping me, but Pollita continued to harass and mock me for it, and I said something to the effect of "I know that getting help here is on a good will basis, but I shouldn't have to deal with your sarcasm to get help" |
| 04:28.28 | Ktron | then I got kicked |
| 04:29.43 | Ktron | Then I rejoined like an hour or so later, and asked a question to the effect of "Can someone look over my regex?" (I'm guessing you've heard of regex) and Pollita was talking about the definition of hacking, and I gave them a link to the definition on wiktionary |
| 04:30.05 | Ktron | Pollita said "Ktron: focus bitch" and kicked me again |
| 04:30.13 | Cairenn | wow |
| 04:30.32 | Ktron | It was roughly 12 hours ago, I didn't bother to rejoining again until just now |
| 04:30.37 | Cairenn | ummm, nice channel moderator |
| 04:30.53 | Ktron | heh, I was reminded because when I joined they were giving someone else grief |
| 04:30.58 | Ktron | yeah, I was less than impressed |
| 04:31.16 | Cairenn | I joke about my being a bitch, and I do ask folks to kinda be like reasonable human beings and shit, but geez |
| 04:31.29 | Violentnight | Ktron: still need help with that regex? |
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| 04:32.13 | End | curiousity question...what style of regex is it? |
| 04:32.37 | Ktron | heh, I sent her some less polite comments after the second time I was kicked... Something like "If you're going to kick me, kick me for calling you an asshole on the channel, spamming, or a real offense" and "When did ##php start being moderated by kids?"... give me a second, I'll pull it up |
| 04:32.54 | Violentnight | hehe |
| 04:33.54 | Ktron | oh, I wussed out... it was for a php command.... ereg_replace I think, I wanted to effectively change beginmiddleend to beginningmiddleend, where begin and end where known and middle wasn't |
| 04:35.48 | Ktron | I think, though I'm curious how many people agree, but in general attacking people's age online (like through IRC) is generally one of the best ways to hit home |
| 04:36.08 | Ktron | anyway, enough of that :) |
| 04:36.12 | Violentnight | I agree |
| 04:36.33 | Ktron | I might have a fun php thing for people to play with in a few minutes |
| 04:36.48 | Cairenn | cool |
| 04:37.51 | Violentnight | to capture an unknown entity between two known entities, do: (begin)(.*)(end) : where begin is the pre-entity and end is the post-entity. After, $1 = the beginning, $2 = the middle, and $3 = the end |
| 04:37.55 | Tem | must stop reading penny arcade |
| 04:37.58 | Tem | must get something done |
| 04:38.54 | Ktron | Violentnight; yeah, and to 'put' the matched center bit 'back', I should be able to use \0 or \\0 I think, right? |
| 04:39.12 | Ktron | oh, ah |
| 04:39.14 | Ktron | nvm |
| 04:40.36 | Violentnight | windows supports regex |
| 04:42.15 | Ktron | Violentnight; oh? how? like, I can't do renames of files using regex or such, can I? |
| 04:42.44 | Cairenn | PA & PVP are good, WTF & QC are better |
| 04:43.23 | Cairenn | <3 QC |
| 04:44.20 | Violentnight | Ktron: er.. well, no. I guess Windows doesn't natively support regex, but like--if you have a php compiler (whatever the term is) y ou can run a php script on a windows machine to do it |
| 04:44.30 | Violentnight | or perl... usually regex is done through perl |
| 04:44.46 | weab | pcre! |
| 04:44.49 | weab | <3 |
| 04:46.00 | Violentnight | there might be a standalone regex interpreter-type program... I know jEdit can use regex in its Find function |
| 04:49.58 | Ktron | hm... that'd be curious to look into... I know I could install perl on windows and do it that way |
| 04:51.02 | Ktron | heh, it's a difficult balance between wanting to have all the neat and useful utilities of linux and so on installed, and wanted to keep windows as clean as possible as to improve its longevity |
| 04:51.15 | Violentnight | hehe... yeah |
| 04:51.22 | Ktron | alright, time to help my girlfriend with physics homework, later everyone |
| 04:51.29 | Cairenn | night Ktron |
| 04:51.54 | Violentnight | so was your regex question answered or are you still working on that? |
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| 04:57.30 | Violentnight | hey slouken |
| 04:57.35 | slouken | Heya |
| 05:01.44 | Tem | oh great pirate, can I bug you about something I saw in a 1.10 tooltip? |
| 05:02.11 | Tem | or at least I think it was a game tooltip |
| 05:02.44 | slouken | Nope. :) |
| 05:03.35 | Tem | bah |
| 05:03.51 | Tem | I just wanna know if I can write my parsing to look for set bonuses |
| 05:04.11 | Tem | oh well, Test realms can't be /that/ far off |
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| 05:33.45 | zeeg | http://www.treycopeland.net/david/ |
| 05:33.48 | zeeg | not too bad, what do you guys think |
| 05:53.44 | Violentnight | zeeg: judging by what...? The images are nice, but--does it do anything? |
| 05:55.33 | Cairenn | he's talking about layout, design, etc |
| 05:55.45 | Cairenn | zeeg: looks okay, I like it better than the old one |
| 05:56.06 | Cairenn | the fuzzy letters drove me batty |
| 05:56.30 | slouken | zeeg, looks neat |
| 05:56.38 | Violentnight | ah... fuzzy letters? hehe. I like everything but the "-|-" dividers |
| 05:57.25 | Violentnight | And the "GO" looks like "60" |
| 06:28.14 | Tem | ok, so I need to reinstall windows in my parent's computer, but I don't have an xp product key |
| 06:28.27 | Tem | is there any way I can find out what product key their computer is using atm? |
| 06:29.11 | Tem | any ideas? |
| 06:29.12 | Cairenn | My Computer > Properties |
| 06:29.58 | zeeg | Violentnight, www.nibbits.com - it works |
| 06:29.59 | Cairenn | General Tab - System, Registered to, Computer (hardware) |
| 06:30.06 | Cairenn | you'll want the Registered to |
| 06:30.09 | zeeg | Cairenn, im thinking about making the search part tabbed similar to... |
| 06:30.11 | zeeg | www.netvibes.com |
| 06:30.21 | zeeg | and the tabs being like World of Warcraft, Guild Wars, etc. (whatever the top games are at the time) |
| 06:30.31 | zeeg | and of course a tab for all games |
| 06:30.44 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 06:31.13 | Tem | Cairenn: you sure about that? |
| 06:31.19 | Tem | I just checked on my laptop |
| 06:31.21 | Cairenn | should be |
| 06:31.24 | Tem | the numbers don't match |
| 06:31.50 | Cairenn | I'm not 100% positive, no, but it should be |
| 06:31.52 | Tem | or rather, the number you directed me to doesn't look anything like the product key on the sticker under my laptop |
| 06:32.29 | Cairenn | that's the *computer* product key, on the sticker under your laptop, isn't it? |
| 06:32.37 | Cairenn | as opposed to the OS product key |
| 06:32.50 | Tem | no it's the XP product key |
| 06:32.56 | Cairenn | hrm, dunno then |
| 06:33.07 | Tem | let me check again |
| 06:33.09 | Cairenn | should be the same, I'd have thought, but meh, what do I know |
| 06:35.04 | Tem | well my main cause for skeptisism is that it's all numbers |
| 06:35.58 | Tem | and looking at some product keys for other microsoft things (like a w2k install) make heavy use of letters in the key |
| 06:36.11 | Tem | (as does what I think is the product key on the bottom of my laptop |
| 06:36.12 | Tem | ) |
| 06:36.17 | Cairenn | yeah, I'm seeing that |
| 06:36.37 | Cairenn | (just dug out my cd) |
| 06:37.46 | Tem | hrm, this is annoying... I have a valid CD, but I don't have the product key |
| 06:38.22 | Cairenn | hrm |
| 06:38.57 | Cairenn | dunno |
| 06:39.14 | Cairenn | if hubby were here, he'd probably know how you could find it, but he's not |
| 06:39.35 | Cairenn | aaaand, I don't see him online, so I can't ask that way, either |
| 06:41.41 | Violentnight | The product key for your laptop's XP is right on the bottom of it? That's not particularly safe |
| 06:44.49 | Violentnight | From Windows Help: The Product ID has 20 characters arranged like this: 12345-123-1234567-12345. It is listed in the properties for My Computer. |
| 06:45.00 | Violentnight | I think what Cairenn said is right |
| 06:45.08 | Tem | so that is reusable in an installation? |
| 06:45.23 | Violentnight | yup |
| 06:46.20 | Tem | but why then doesn't it match the product key on my laptop? |
| 06:47.14 | Tem | I can't immagine that dell would give me an OEM install disk that didn't have the same product key as the one they stuck on the bottom of the maching |
| 06:47.20 | Tem | s/maching/machine/ |
| 06:47.44 | Violentnight | I can't imagine that Dell would put the product key on the bottom of the laptop |
| 06:48.05 | Violentnight | So I would think that you must be looking at a serial key |
| 06:48.37 | Cairenn | actually, Tem, just to check things out |
| 06:48.39 | Violentnight | if I could find my product key, I could verify it... the one listed under properties does have letters for me |
| 06:49.01 | Cairenn | I'm looking at the Product ID for my MS Office Word - it's all numbers |
| 06:49.16 | Tem | Violentnight: nope it's the os key. I've verified that. |
| 06:49.32 | Tem | but what I'm thinking is that it's got 2 forms |
| 06:49.42 | Tem | one with the letters and such |
| 06:49.52 | Tem | and one that's all numbers like we're seeing in the properties |
| 06:50.56 | Violentnight | I product key supports both alpha and numeric characters, but it doesn't have to contain both |
| 06:51.18 | Violentnight | I found my what product key used to be attached to.. lo |
| 06:51.22 | Violentnight | lol* |
| 06:51.41 | Cairenn | Tem: the only way to know *for sure* would be to wait and call MS on Monday |
| 06:51.47 | Tem | haha |
| 06:51.49 | Tem | not gonna happen |
| 06:51.59 | Tem | they charge for service calls |
| 06:52.00 | Cairenn | or call Dell |
| 06:52.06 | Cairenn | oh, I know, trust me |
| 06:52.41 | Cairenn | hubby is MCSE, MCT - trust me, I know MS |
| 06:52.45 | Tem | hehe |
| 06:53.20 | Cairenn | I've got more freaking MS TechNet shit sitting around here :p |
| 06:53.27 | Tem | lol |
| 06:53.34 | Tem | I think what we're going to do is just try it |
| 06:53.39 | Cairenn | then Carter had liver pills (to finish the expression) |
| 06:53.47 | Cairenn | s/then/than/ |
| 06:53.52 | Violentnight | oh Tem.. while I'm thinkin of it... I was lookin over that code ya gave me last night and got it working right--but I don't see a way to maintain the parent/child hierarchy using it |
| 06:54.10 | Tem | I was thinking the same thing as I was writing it |
| 06:54.22 | Tem | about the only way I could think was to poll child:GetParent |
| 06:54.28 | Tem | and if it fails, we will worry about it then |
| 06:54.48 | Cairenn | if hubby were online, I could find out |
| 06:55.08 | Cairenn | but since he isn't, I have to hope he's actually like, getting some sleep, god forbid |
| 06:55.15 | Violentnight | hrmm... I didn't really think of doing it the reverse way--I might not need to store everything then. |
| 06:56.00 | Violentnight | as it is I have to figure something out 'cause storing every single element is way too complicated of a table (WoW can't load the SavedVariables) |
| 06:56.47 | Violentnight | I also need to figure out how to sort 'em... I was playing with table.sort, but without a numerical index, I think it's random access |
| 06:56.51 | Cairenn | A+, CompTIA Net+, MCP, MCP+I, MCSE, MCT, CCNA |
| 06:57.35 | Cairenn | good think he doesn't use all the letters, he wouldn't have room for his name on his business cards |
| 06:58.18 | Cairenn | thing* |
| 06:58.37 | Violentnight | hehe |
| 07:00.05 | Cairenn | and currently working on his CCNP |
| 07:00.13 | Violentnight | gosh my place is a mess |
| 07:00.22 | Violentnight | I have no idea where my product key is |
| 07:04.07 | Tem | Thanks for pointing me to that Cairenn |
| 07:04.19 | Cairenn | it worked, yes? |
| 07:05.09 | Tem | haven't tried yet |
| 07:05.15 | Tem | going to do the reinstall tomorrow |
| 07:05.23 | Cairenn | ah, okay |
| 07:05.32 | Cairenn | well, I hope it does |
| 07:05.41 | Cairenn | if not, sorry for giving you a bum steer |
| 07:05.54 | Tem | it's not that big of a deal, XP has gotten pretty cheap |
| 07:05.59 | Cairenn | but it *should* be it |
| 07:06.08 | Tem | yeah, I hope so |
| 07:06.10 | Cairenn | doesn't make sense for it not to be |
| 07:07.12 | Tem | Cairenn: maybe you don't know MS like you think you do... |
| 07:07.13 | Ktron | Hey everyone... time to make the second php page for my web thing and then maybe a login system later I think... but at least the core is working:) |
| 07:07.39 | Tem | MS does a lot of things that don't make any sense to any sane person |
| 07:07.49 | Cairenn | Tem: I was referring to their lovely support |
| 07:07.55 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:08.42 | Tem | Cairenn: yeah, I was just kicking them while they weren't here to defend themselves |
| 07:08.50 | Cairenn | *grin* |
| 07:22.13 | zeeg | http://www.nibbits.com/?q=a&x=0&y=0 |
| 07:22.14 | zeeg | suggestions? |
| 07:22.47 | Ktron | Violentnight; btw, yeah, regex = t3h solved for the moment |
| 07:23.24 | Ktron | The next thing I need to work on is making a webpage that will let me add/edit/delete entries from a mysql table, which I know how to do |
| 07:28.04 | Wob | zeeg: Maybe a page 1 2 3 4 5 .. etc? |
| 07:28.09 | Wob | links, that is |
| 07:28.25 | Wob | And how are they sorted? |
| 07:28.51 | Wob | muttermutter =P |
| 07:28.58 | Wob | Thank you Cair =P |
| 07:29.04 | Cairenn | heh |
| 07:29.36 | Wob | I should have tried tab completion first =P |
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| 07:44.49 | zeeg | http://www.nibbits.com/ |
| 07:45.05 | zeeg | ok hows that |
| 07:45.05 | zeeg | :P |
| 07:45.38 | zeeg | (the buttons dont actually work yet) |
| 08:00.05 | Violentnight | zeeg: the textbox is invisible |
| 08:00.30 | zeeg | eh? |
| 08:00.35 | Violentnight | nvm.. you've changed it |
| 08:01.07 | Violentnight | I clicked the link like 10-15 minutes ago and forgot to say anything |
| 08:01.12 | Violentnight | it all looks good now |
| 08:01.20 | zeeg | k |
| 08:02.02 | Ktron | anyone remember a warcraftmovie.com movie, about a horde mindcontrolling I think the vendor or a quest turnin type and killing people with him (pvp stuff?) |
| 08:02.07 | Violentnight | maybe make the copyright text a little different.. or a different font.. some of the letters are overlapping |
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| 08:02.45 | zeeg | better? |
| 08:03.13 | Tem | Ktron: I remember that movie |
| 08:03.23 | Tem | Ktron: it was the AV reward vendor |
| 08:03.52 | Violentnight | much better ^_^ |
| 08:04.06 | zeeg | my laptop shows things dif so i never know |
| 08:04.26 | Violentnight | yeah--web design is a bitch like that ^_^ |
| 08:04.42 | zeeg | soo pretty much an ideal setup for you? |
| 08:04.52 | zeeg | im gonna make it save a cookie when you search, for the category you had chosen |
| 08:04.54 | zeeg | so it remembers |
| 08:04.58 | Ktron | yeah it was :) |
| 08:05.08 | Ktron | I was going to ask if anyone remembered the name, but I think I found it |
| 08:06.15 | Violentnight | ooh don't ask me for ideal... I could criticize something indefinitely |
| 08:07.46 | Violentnight | one functional change that would be nice though... if a radio button is clicked on with the mouse then refocus the cursor at the textbox |
| 08:08.11 | zeeg | ok ill add that |
| 08:08.31 | Violentnight | otherwise, it's a pretty little thing ^_^ |
| 08:11.07 | zeeg | wth its not working |
| 08:11.33 | zeeg | oh |
| 08:11.48 | zeeg | there we go |
| 08:11.48 | zeeg | :D |
| 08:13.56 | Violentnight | well... not quote. Use an onClick event--with onFocus, people can't use the keyboard to select something |
| 08:14.29 | Tem | hehe |
| 08:14.31 | Tem | http://wow.blupp.net/item.php?id=30675 |
| 08:15.22 | zeeg | k done |
| 08:15.35 | zeeg | lol |
| 08:15.55 | Violentnight | lol Not a big fan of shammys? |
| 08:16.20 | zeeg | lol |
| 08:16.57 | Tem | I didn't make that |
| 08:17.05 | Tem | but, no, I /hate/ shamen |
| 08:17.24 | Violentnight | hehe |
| 08:17.39 | Violentnight | zeeg: try onmouseup--lol.. the onclick is still firing through the keyboard |
| 08:17.54 | Tem | mostly because I'm a squishy mage and they eat me |
| 08:17.59 | zeeg | you're probably sol on it actually Violentnight |
| 08:18.22 | Violentnight | sol? |
| 08:18.41 | zeeg | yep |
| 08:18.43 | zeeg | onmouseup breaks |
| 08:18.45 | zeeg | shit out of luck |
| 08:18.51 | Violentnight | ooh shit out of luck |
| 08:19.14 | Violentnight | how's it break? |
| 08:19.20 | zeeg | it dont work |
| 08:19.20 | zeeg | :) |
| 08:19.23 | zeeg | at least for labels |
| 08:19.30 | zeeg | if i click a label in firefox it selects the radio button |
| 08:19.37 | zeeg | but onmouseup doesnt fire on the radio |
| 08:19.47 | zeeg | LOL |
| 08:19.51 | zeeg | its impossible to select w/ tab |
| 08:19.52 | zeeg | i get it |
| 08:19.52 | Violentnight | hrmm... I've never used labels before |
| 08:19.54 | zeeg | should i just do onchange? |
| 08:20.02 | Violentnight | you can try it |
| 08:20.16 | Violentnight | or get rid of the labels |
| 08:20.33 | zeeg | still not perfect |
| 08:20.36 | zeeg | nah labels are required |
| 08:20.40 | zeeg | for standards |
| 08:20.49 | Violentnight | bah |
| 08:20.52 | zeeg | o well |
| 08:20.56 | zeeg | no tabbing for you people ;) |
| 08:21.06 | zeeg | wait |
| 08:21.07 | zeeg | i got it |
| 08:21.32 | zeeg | nvm |
| 08:21.35 | zeeg | onselect dont work |
| 08:21.53 | Violentnight | lol |
| 08:21.59 | zeeg | no tabbing for you |
| 08:22.00 | zeeg | :P |
| 08:22.30 | Violentnight | I'mma make this work dangit |
| 08:24.42 | Violentnight | btw--where'd you learn how to name objects? |
| 08:26.14 | zeeg | name objects? |
| 08:26.16 | zeeg | as in? |
| 08:26.44 | Violentnight | as in.. give something a name |
| 08:26.54 | Violentnight | fS() var fs h_q.. yadda yadda |
| 08:27.22 | zeeg | oh |
| 08:27.23 | zeeg | id="h_q" |
| 08:27.26 | zeeg | getElementById() |
| 08:27.27 | zeeg | :p |
| 08:29.19 | Violentnight | lol right... by what I mean is, why are you calling--for instance--the function fS()... I have no idea what fS() means |
| 08:30.44 | zeeg | its a function i made |
| 08:30.46 | zeeg | focusSearch |
| 08:30.47 | zeeg | :P |
| 08:30.56 | Cairenn|sleep | night folks |
| 08:31.04 | Violentnight | night, Cairenn|sleep |
| 08:31.32 | Violentnight | oi =P |
| 08:37.18 | Violentnight | okay.. I give up |
| 08:37.45 | zeeg | :s |
| 08:38.02 | Violentnight | I can't get it to work.. even without the labels, the images aren't recognizing mouse events |
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| 10:32.43 | KarlKFI | So I thought curse was gonna have their new site up last week, anyone know what happened? |
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| 14:01.56 | id` | http://pastebin.com/540011 |
| 14:08.09 | Elkano | abb = get("abb"); abb.short = long; set("abb", abb); ? |
| 14:10.39 | Elkano | abb = get("abb"); if noat abb then abb = {}; end abb.short = long; set("abb", abb); ? |
| 14:10.59 | Elkano | abb = get("abb"); if noat abb then abb = {}; end abb[short] = long; set("abb", abb); ? |
| 14:11.03 | Elkano | better :) |
| 14:12.51 | MentalPower | abb = get("abb"); if not abb then abb = {}; end abb[short] = long; set("abb", abb); |
| 14:13.19 | MentalPower | however your set and get functions are not expecting a string as the first parameter :) |
| 14:14.45 | Elkano | id` try the code I 'corrected' in at pastebin |
| 14:15.20 | Elkano | added a self as first parameter :) |
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| 14:40.45 | Elkano | I hate lua's then :/ |
| 14:42.33 | krka | why? |
| 14:43.39 | Elkano | well, just uploaded a new version with a 'then' missing (note to myself: don't add any ifs before releasing without testing them...) |
| 14:51.07 | krka | i suggest compiling and/or testing before uploading |
| 14:52.42 | id` | Elkano: instead of using a function i'm just assigning to self.db[self.profilePath][var] = fal |
| 14:52.46 | id` | val* |
| 14:52.48 | id` | :p |
| 14:55.05 | krka | or do local db = self.db[self.profilePath] db[var] = val |
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| 14:56.03 | sancus | lies, you're not sleeping |
| 14:56.04 | id` | krka: right |
| 14:56.19 | Cairenn|sleep | stupid tooth ache |
| 14:58.03 | Elkano | good (whatever) Cairenn :) |
| 14:58.28 | Cairenn|sleep | nothing good about this morning at all, at this point |
| 14:58.36 | Elkano | y? :( |
| 14:58.36 | Cairenn|sleep | but thanks for the thought :) |
| 14:58.46 | Cairenn|sleep | see 2nd statement |
| 14:59.08 | Cairenn|sleep | I've had 2 hrs sleep atm |
| 14:59.21 | Elkano | oh :( |
| 14:59.39 | Cairenn|sleep | meh, tylenol starting to work, gonna go crash out again here momentarily |
| 15:01.58 | id` | nn cair |
| 15:02.06 | id` | i wonder though, why even get up? |
| 15:07.54 | Cairenn|sleep | to take some tylenol for the pain |
| 15:08.00 | Cairenn|sleep | and wait for it to kick in |
| 15:08.37 | Cairenn|sleep | anyway, I'm out, it's working now, want to try to get a couple more hours sleep |
| 15:08.44 | Cairenn|sleep | later guys :) |
| 15:09.15 | Cairenn|sleep | besides, it let me approve Elkano's goof then his fix ;) |
| 15:10.04 | Elkano | ^^' |
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| 15:26.13 | id` | arg im such a noob |
| 15:26.41 | id` | how do i get a string of 'word word word word' into {word,word,word,word} |
| 15:28.28 | futrtrubl | table = {string.gsub(instring, "word)} or something like that? |
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| 15:30.41 | id` | for short in string.gsub(str, '') do table.remove(self.db.abbr[short]) |
| 15:31.01 | id` | its just a lost of words with spaces |
| 15:31.34 | futrtrubl | for short in {string.gsub(str, '')} do table.remove(self.db.abbr[short]) |
| 15:31.59 | id` | why the {} ? |
| 15:32.01 | id` | ' (.+) ' |
| 15:32.10 | futrtrubl | to make it into a table |
| 15:32.18 | id` | a match has either a space after it or before it |
| 15:32.23 | id` | (first/last) |
| 15:32.52 | id` | futrtrubl: string.gsub will return a table |
| 15:33.13 | futrtrubl | except for that last word, if you strip the end space from the last word then the last word will have no spacer |
| 15:33.18 | futrtrubl | ok |
| 15:34.01 | id` | '( (.+)|(.+) )' |
| 15:35.43 | futrtrubl | why not just have (.*) and ignore spaces completely... wait what is the regexp for any non-space char? |
| 15:36.33 | id` | becuase i need those words and not the spaces.. |
| 15:37.14 | futrtrubl | (%S*) |
| 15:37.30 | futrtrubl | that will only get you the words, will ignore whitespaces |
| 15:38.01 | id` | that will only get me the spaces :p |
| 15:38.42 | futrtrubl | %S is only non-whitespace chars |
| 15:38.54 | id` | oh, k |
| 15:39.07 | futrtrubl | (%S+) is probably better |
| 15:39.59 | id` | was gunna say, ill use + though |
| 15:40.15 | futrtrubl | ;'] great minds.... |
| 15:41.33 | id` | lets try this baby |
| 15:41.42 | id` | been coding for a few hours havent tested anything |
| 15:41.44 | id` | :p |
| 15:42.29 | id` | http://pastebin.com/540142 |
| 15:43.24 | futrtrubl | oh, it should bne string.gfind |
| 15:43.57 | id` | i have it |
| 15:44.00 | id` | ;) |
| 15:46.11 | futrtrubl | cool |
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| 16:03.20 | ToastTheif | rawr |
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| 16:16.30 | futrtrubl | agh |
| 16:17.27 | futrtrubl | Anyone know what the reason given for a LoadAddOn() fail due to the addon being out of date is? |
| 16:19.14 | krka | should be fairly easy to test? |
| 16:21.26 | krka | damn! BUGGED... can't attack magram centaurs with all my spells :/ |
| 16:25.55 | futrtrubl | INTERFACE_VERSION, thanks krka for reminding me of the obvious solution ;'] |
| 16:27.42 | krka | np! |
| 16:30.11 | GenNMX|Thrae | Ugh, I've watched too much Hong Kong sub of One Piece anime...it's really an exercise to try and understand what they're talking about when they say "Don't let ship go into Hymen!" (should be "Don't let the ship go through the channel!") |
| 16:30.36 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 16:31.02 | futrtrubl | what fansub group you using? |
| 16:31.52 | GenNMX|Thrae | Xeno-HK, a Hong Kong subbing group. I can't find any other good places to download 173-240 |
| 16:32.16 | GenNMX|Thrae | adc-heaven and gerusama don't host batch torrents =/ |
| 16:34.48 | futrtrubl | One Piece 161-206 and others on mininova, don't know who the subbers are, didn't go through the whole list so they may have more |
| 16:35.23 | GenNMX|Thrae | Ahh yes, I didn't check mininova |
| 16:36.38 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yeah, that particular torrent is "Hell-HK" and "Xeno-HK", which are both Hong Kong subbing groups |
| 16:36.46 | futrtrubl | damn |
| 16:38.37 | GenNMX|Thrae | Gerusama & BalF subs going around start around 209, Adc-Heaven start around 250 |
| 16:41.08 | GenNMX|Thrae | If I didn't know some Japanese I would probably skip these episodes...right now I'm translating the Japanese myself using the crappy subtitles as guides ;) |
| 16:41.38 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 16:42.50 | futrtrubl | think up a funky name for yourself... well since you already have now you just need to sub them and release them to popular aclaim |
| 16:43.31 | GenNMX|Thrae | Haha, I wish I had the time |
| 16:43.53 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 16:44.50 | GenNMX|Thrae | Eventually Kaizoku-Fansubs (a good fansubber) will catch up to Gerusama, only 50 more episodes to go |
| 16:45.07 | GenNMX|Thrae | Catch up to where Gerusama started |
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| 16:51.46 | futrtrubl | cool |
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| 16:58.26 | krka | any one know how to know when keybindings have been updated? |
| 16:59.13 | GenNMX|Thrae | UPDATE_BINDINGS |
| 16:59.30 | GenNMX|Thrae | Double-check events on wowwiki.com, I think that's it |
| 17:00.37 | krka | damn, do that |
| 17:00.38 | krka | hmm |
| 17:01.26 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yes, it's UPDATE_BINDINGS |
| 17:01.41 | krka | no wait, maybe it's just buggy when there is no key associated |
| 17:02.42 | GenNMX|Thrae | UPDATE_BINDINGS isn't called when one key is updated, it's called when you click "Save" on the keybindings window. So it could be one key, or it could be multiple keys. |
| 17:03.08 | GenNMX|Thrae | There is no event associated to changing a single keybinding. |
| 17:03.14 | krka | yeah, i don't really need that |
| 17:03.24 | krka | save should be sufficient |
| 17:06.33 | Tem | yay! They fixed the raid calendar |
| 17:08.13 | Tem | hmm |
| 17:08.25 | Tem | The page reports that raids reset at 3 am |
| 17:08.36 | Tem | but that seems to be 3 am PST |
| 17:08.39 | Tem | not 3 am server |
| 17:08.47 | id` | Database = AceDatabase:new('idChat'), |
| 17:08.47 | id` | db = self.Database[self.profilePath], |
| 17:08.50 | id` | why cant i do this? |
| 17:08.55 | id` | it breaks on the self |
| 17:09.03 | id` | (i am inside the addon table) |
| 17:09.13 | Tem | because you are inside the constructor |
| 17:09.45 | id` | oh, right |
| 17:09.53 | id` | hmmm |
| 17:09.55 | GenNMX|Thrae | id`: The usual notation is db = AceDatabase:new("AddonNameDB") |
| 17:10.11 | id` | i know |
| 17:10.17 | GenNMX|Thrae | Then you can use the AceUtil Get function |
| 17:10.25 | id` | dont want to/have to |
| 17:10.26 | Tem | and because 'self' is construct of a method |
| 17:10.52 | Tem | and you can't do what you're trying to do |
| 17:10.58 | id` | http://pastebin.com/540272 |
| 17:10.59 | id` | line 76 |
| 17:11.07 | Tem | becaue if the profile path changes, that won't reflect it |
| 17:11.17 | id` | meh, how uncool |
| 17:11.51 | Tem | and DON'T use your addon object |
| 17:13.13 | id` | where am i doing that |
| 17:13.22 | Tem | Database = AceDatabase:new('idChat'), |
| 17:13.28 | id` | its a stirng |
| 17:14.05 | Tem | ... |
| 17:14.12 | GenNMX|Thrae | id`: That string represents the name for the SV database. |
| 17:14.12 | id` | ? |
| 17:14.28 | id` | GenNMX|Thrae: gee, really? |
| 17:14.32 | GenNMX|Thrae | The SV database, when loaded into memory, is a table. So you'll have a table called "idChat" |
| 17:14.39 | id` | ah |
| 17:14.45 | GenNMX|Thrae | But you can't have two objects with the same name. |
| 17:14.49 | Tem | no, it will use your addon object |
| 17:14.58 | Tem | but that will get VERY messy when you try to save it |
| 17:14.59 | id` | i thought ace would make that myobject.db |
| 17:15.04 | Tem | no |
| 17:15.08 | id` | hmmm |
| 17:15.20 | id` | why wouldnt it :-)/ |
| 17:15.24 | Tem | l;kjf |
| 17:15.30 | Tem | because that's not the way it works |
| 17:15.49 | id` | well how do you expect me to know all that without docs |
| 17:15.51 | id` | :p |
| 17:16.18 | GenNMX|Thrae | id`: Look at the examples like Coins.lua, notice how they all put "DB" on the end of the database names |
| 17:16.45 | id` | it doesnt state anywhere i shouldnt use my objects name |
| 17:16.52 | id` | i found out the hard way with XML too |
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| 17:19.08 | id` | http://pastebin.com/540287 |
| 17:19.09 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tem: If you set the AceDatabase as the same name as your addon instance, could that cause an endless loop upon trying to save the table? It'll save the lowest level Ace information in AddonName, then go to AddonName.db and find a reference back to AddonName... |
| 17:19.10 | id` | line 80 |
| 17:19.16 | id` | indexed field ? error |
| 17:19.18 | id` | :| |
| 17:19.59 | GenNMX|Thrae | id`: There's ace.pastebin.com |
| 17:20.13 | id` | i know!~ |
| 17:20.16 | id` | >_< |
| 17:20.33 | id` | but you wouldnt want me to spam it like im spamming it now. |
| 17:20.34 | Tem | GenNMX|Thrae: no |
| 17:21.03 | id` | db = AceDatabase:new('idChatDataBase'), |
| 17:21.03 | id` | Enable = function (self) |
| 17:21.03 | id` | if self.db[self.profilePath].Mousewheel then self:enableMousewheel() end |
| 17:21.07 | id` | why does it go wrong there |
| 17:21.37 | Tem | because there is no table in the db at the index self.profilePath |
| 17:22.03 | Tem | self.db:get(self.profilePath,"Mousewheel") |
| 17:22.13 | GenNMX|Thrae | id`: Use self.db:get(self.profilePath, var) |
| 17:22.19 | Tem | that is the ONLY way to do it atm |
| 17:23.35 | GenNMX|Thrae | self.db:get(..) is a bit more complicated then self.db[self.profilePath] |
| 17:24.26 | GenNMX|Thrae | Try the AceUtil functions --> http://www.wowace.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=588 |
| 17:25.05 | GenNMX|Thrae | Kael is considering integrating them into Ace |
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| 17:27.25 | Tem | Any EU people here atm? |
| 17:28.38 | id` | me |
| 17:28.47 | Tem | can you test your raid reset time for me? |
| 17:29.08 | Tem | Aparently the raids reset at 3 am PST in the US |
| 17:29.33 | Tem | but I'm trying to figure out what time they reset in the EU servers |
| 17:30.04 | wereHamster | Tem, I'm almost from the EU.. |
| 17:30.50 | Tem | bah I have to go |
| 17:30.55 | Tem | I'll bug you guys about it later |
| 18:01.53 | id` | slash commands suck >:( |
| 18:02.34 | GenNMX|Thrae | What's the trouble? |
| 18:04.10 | id` | Error: Interface\AddOns\Ace\AceChatCmd.lua:116: bad argument #3 to `format' (string expected, got nil) |
| 18:04.13 | id` | :p |
| 18:04.33 | GenNMX|Thrae | id`: Paste your ChatOptions? |
| 18:04.39 | id` | http://pastebin.com/540357 |
| 18:05.18 | id` | ah |
| 18:05.21 | id` | its formatted wrong |
| 18:06.13 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yeah, should be "desc" instead of "description", and remove the comma for the last member within the parentheses |
| 18:06.44 | id` | gotta eat |
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| 18:35.10 | id` | back |
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| 18:43.36 | sweede | i have a question about linking an item in a chat box, and getting the name of the item not as a link. |
| 18:43.55 | sweede | i need to be able to do /cmd [item] , and in the script be able to do TableName[item] |
| 18:44.23 | sweede | but its not working becuase it uses either the itemid string or uses the [] also. any ideas ? |
| 18:48.18 | sweede | anyone ? |
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| 19:28.51 | futrtrubl | sweede, you could strip the [] off |
| 19:30.17 | futrtrubl | with string.gsub() |
| 19:39.12 | Iriel | afternoon cairenn |
| 19:39.28 | Cairenn | hey :) |
| 19:40.20 | Cairenn | argh |
| 19:43.13 | Elkano | Cairenn, feeling any better? |
| 19:43.34 | Cairenn | yeah, 6 hrs sleep total is a darn sight better than 2 :) |
| 19:44.06 | Elkano | :) |
| 19:44.18 | Elkano | btw: got my 2 PMs? |
| 19:44.59 | Cairenn | aye, I did, just haven't posted them yet, was going to deal with that shortly :) |
| 19:45.22 | Elkano | just wanted to make sure everything went right :) take your time :) |
| 19:48.30 | Cairenn | Elkano: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-interface-customization&ThreadID=314752 |
| 19:48.56 | Elkano | thanks a lot :) |
| 19:49.22 | Cairenn | No problem at all, glad to help. :) |
| 19:51.58 | Elkano | btw: Iriel, the problme I had with the texture layers turned out to be usefull :) this way I was able to resize LootFrame and QuestLog, too :) |
| 20:00.54 | Iriel | Elkano : Excellent. |
| 20:01.24 | Iriel | Cairenn : Was it a StatRings question? Forum question? |
| 20:01.50 | Cairenn | I simply can not remember at all, I'm not sure it even had to do with coding |
| 20:02.11 | Iriel | Something about iriel.org? |
| 20:02.11 | Cairenn | I'm thinking it more had to do with life, but darned if I can remember |
| 20:02.15 | Iriel | Life, hm |
| 20:02.17 | Cairenn | nope |
| 20:02.24 | Iriel | Where was I on friday, perhaps? |
| 20:02.33 | Iriel | (The answer to which was 'work') |
| 20:02.44 | Cairenn | well, that's an interesting question, and one I've been wondering, but that wasn't it per sae |
| 20:03.05 | Cairenn | must have been a killer day for you not to have been in channel at all |
| 20:03.22 | Iriel | And then yesterday evening was a Halo2 thing (and random XBox 360 hijinks) so I was busy all day. |
| 20:03.27 | Cairenn | ah |
| 20:03.33 | Iriel | Friday was painful, yes |
| 20:03.38 | Cairenn | =/ |
| 20:03.51 | Iriel | I did read the forums when I got home, but then I had other things to do so didn't make much of an appearance until about 2:30am |
| 20:04.55 | Cairenn | yeah, I noticed that you flitted in then out again at an obscene hour (I was up again shortly after you left) |
| 20:05.36 | Cairenn | well, hopefully it was only painful in that it was a long busy day, not that it was a case of there being anything "wrong" (ie nasty pink slips, etc) |
| 20:05.41 | wereHamster | Elkano, this channel leaving issue, I've also run into this, and was unable to 'clean up' the channels when the player leaves the world.. :( |
| 20:06.13 | wereHamster | I've worked around this by cleaning the channels when the player *enters* world.. |
| 20:06.17 | Iriel | Yes, it's painful in the sense of lots of work and stress, but not 'bad', per se. |
| 20:06.27 | Iriel | Can't you do cleanout on PLAYER_LOGOUT ? |
| 20:06.32 | Iriel | Or does that fire too late? |
| 20:07.41 | wereHamster | WoW joins the chat-channels way after it fires PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD.. and one would expect that it saves the channels way before it fires the LEAVE-event. |
| 20:08.44 | Iriel | I dont know what order LEAVING_WORLD and LOGOUT fire, so i'm not sure either. |
| 20:09.06 | Iriel | Cleaning up on logIN is worth doing regardless, in case of crashage |
| 20:09.09 | Cairenn | mark that on your calender folks! |
| 20:09.44 | Iriel | Heh, I dont know the answer to many things I haven't used 8-) |
| 20:10.00 | Cairenn | (sorry, silly mood, forgive please) |
| 20:16.26 | Iriel | Anyone know if there's a way in css to assign symbolic names to colors of your own choosing? |
| 20:19.03 | krka | don't think so |
| 20:25.06 | Iriel | Pity, that's the conclusion i'd come to also |
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| 20:28.43 | Beladona | =D |
| 20:28.58 | Beladona | what a weekend |
| 20:36.06 | Beladona | oh sorry |
| 20:36.08 | Beladona | =P |
| 20:36.11 | Cairenn | lol |
| 20:36.18 | Beladona | nothing big, just been at work all weekend |
| 20:36.34 | Cairenn | ewww |
| 20:36.51 | Beladona | yeah |
| 20:37.05 | Beladona | and I finally get done, in time for Super Bowl, and return to work tomorrow |
| 20:37.10 | Beladona | hehe |
| 20:37.14 | Cairenn | heh |
| 20:37.25 | Beladona | anyone hear anything about 1.10? |
| 20:37.35 | Cairenn | it'll be a while yet |
| 20:37.45 | Beladona | why do you say that? |
| 20:37.56 | Cairenn | because a little birdy told me so? |
| 20:38.01 | Beladona | bah |
| 20:38.10 | Cairenn | 1.9.3 should be soonish |
| 20:38.22 | Beladona | I had this theory that it might be the last patch before the expansion |
| 20:38.31 | Beladona | but its just a guess |
| 20:38.40 | Cairenn | oh, it may be, I don't know, but either way, it's gonna be a while |
| 20:38.49 | Beladona | thats a shame |
| 20:39.09 | Beladona | 1.10 has a lot of features I am waiting to test |
| 20:39.12 | Beladona | and my mod is on hold till I can |
| 20:39.13 | Cairenn | you and a number of others |
| 20:39.53 | Beladona | heh |
| 20:40.14 | Beladona | I do have some features waiting to be implemented in my xp bar, maybe I should be working on that |
| 20:49.13 | wereHamster | has anyone else observerd that just displaying frames (without any event handling) causes a major dropt in the framerate? I have a raid addon which displays the 8 raid-groups plus all priests and driuids, together ~60 'UnitFrames', each with a HP/MP bar, one text-label and two textures for buffs/debuffs. Hiding those frames causes a change from 20fps to 40fps. |
| 20:49.29 | sancus | heh whats your vid card |
| 20:49.49 | Iriel | wereHamster : It appears to somewhat depend how you have them laid out |
| 20:50.14 | wereHamster | I have a geforce 7800GTX |
| 20:50.19 | wereHamster | with 512 MB ram |
| 20:50.25 | Iriel | wereHamster : There's a suspicion that displaying lots of overlapping frames with different frame levels is sub-optimal from a rendering pipeline perspective |
| 20:50.49 | Tain | I like pie. |
| 20:51.40 | Tain | ooops for some reason I thought the Super Bowl started later. |
| 20:52.03 | Tain | I should start thinking about getting up |
| 20:52.07 | Cairenn | bah, football - watch a real game, hockey! |
| 20:52.13 | wereHamster | although I've heard that wine reports only 64MB texture memory to the running application.. maybe I should try to apply the patch that fixes this.. |
| 20:52.36 | sharkhat | football is for people who hate videogames... |
| 20:52.37 | Tain | Now now, the Super Bowl isn't just a football game. It's world-wide holiday. |
| 20:52.48 | sharkhat | you mean a US wide holiday? |
| 20:52.48 | wereHamster | anyway.. I'll try to lower the frame 'depth', thanks for the hint :-) |
| 20:53.04 | Tain | People in the Congo will be watching! |
| 20:53.25 | sharkhat | if thier american// lol |
| 20:54.11 | Tain | s/thier/they're/ |
| 20:54.50 | sancus | football is severely interfering with our BWL raid |
| 20:54.59 | sharkhat | haha i bety |
| 20:55.11 | Cairenn | football (north american) is merely an excuse for a bunch of men to express their otherwise repressed homosexual tendencies |
| 20:56.25 | Tain | Better than needing to try to compensate for "other" shortcomings by slamming into each other with long sticks. :) |
| 20:57.05 | Cairenn | that was nicely done Tain |
| 20:59.07 | wereHamster | Tain, what sport is that? |
| 20:59.33 | Cairenn | for anyone interested, Sacha just uploaded the newest CTA beta |
| 20:59.41 | Tain | Competative chop-stick eating. |
| 20:59.48 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4272 |
| 20:59.59 | sancus | but it looks like we will have enough to clear it anyway |
| 21:00.05 | sancus | so screw the superbowl newbs, no loot for them! |
| 21:00.07 | wereHamster | didn't blizzard promise that they will write their own 'CTA'-like addon? |
| 21:00.20 | Cairenn | no, actually, they didn't |
| 21:00.28 | Tain | What's CTA? |
| 21:00.39 | Cairenn | they asked for suggestions on how to improve LFG |
| 21:00.54 | wereHamster | and did they improve it? |
| 21:00.55 | Cairenn | Call To Arms (the LFG mod) |
| 21:01.15 | Tain | Oh right |
| 21:04.43 | Cairenn | wereHamster: for one thing, they've done the "combined" lfg channel |
| 21:05.05 | Cairenn | they probably have additional changes planned for the future, although I may be worng about that |
| 21:05.17 | Cairenn | s/worng/wrong |
| 21:06.08 | wereHamster | Cairenn, don't you have this little bird telling you things about oncoming changes? |
| 21:06.33 | Cairenn | oh, some times |
| 21:06.47 | Cairenn | but I can't always divulge what the little birdies tell me |
| 21:07.06 | Cairenn | and in this case, they haven't told me a thing |
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| 21:08.20 | zespri|log | good morning people |
| 21:08.26 | Cairenn | hey zespri|log :) |
| 21:08.36 | sancus | stupid PC, locked up on me, does that every week or two |
| 21:08.39 | sancus | cant wait till I get my new one :/ |
| 21:08.57 | Cairenn | thanks again for that talk earlier today, I really appreciated getting that alternate viewpoint |
| 21:10.15 | zespri|log | Oh I'm having an alternative view point! wow! how novel! Actually, I'm not sure whose viewpoint it was. I guess that several differnet viewpoints blended into mine over past few years |
| 21:10.58 | Cairenn | well, alternate viewpoint not perhaps being the most correct term for the discussion, but I trust you know what I mean |
| 21:11.52 | Cairenn | I like hearing how people from different parts of the world view things, it increases understanding of one another |
| 21:12.50 | zespri|log | You can't beat stereotypes. If you knew how many times I hear vodka jokes... And everybody telling them to me really think that they told something new and original |
| 21:13.00 | Cairenn | heh |
| 21:13.20 | Cairenn | that's like all the folks that tell me I say "aboot" and "eh" all the time |
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| 21:15.02 | zespri|log | I guess everyone of them has some belifs based on background that they never questioned. Still some of them might prove false. |
| 21:15.11 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 21:15.27 | zespri|log | *everyone of us |
| 21:15.41 | Cairenn | well, as I said, it was interesting to hear how (and why) there is that view point |
| 21:16.03 | Cairenn | it explains a great deal to why they act the way they do, re entitlement |
| 21:16.10 | zespri|log | Morning, Anduin |
| 21:16.24 | KarlKFI | morning |
| 21:21.58 | Cairenn | In my opinion, that's probably one of the best things about the internet. We have so much more opportunity to learn about each other, to understand why we think they way we do, to try to undo generations of misunderstanding and distrust, if not outright hatred, that has basically been brainwashed into us by our respective cultures |
| 21:22.57 | Cairenn | and the more the "regular" people understand one another, the less that our governments will be able to cause such feeling again |
| 21:23.26 | Cairenn | but that's just me |
| 21:23.28 | KarlKFI | which view? |
| 21:24.09 | Cairenn | zespri|log and I were having an interesting discussion earlier about "eastern bloc" and "western" viewpoints |
| 21:24.13 | wereHamster | that's true, unless your government cuts the internet access for the ordinary people... |
| 21:25.22 | Tain | down witih government! Up with mini-skirts! |
| 21:25.34 | KarlKFI | heh. There is also a problem with distinction between government responsibility and personal responsibility. |
| 21:26.13 | Tain | Off to watch the game. |
| 21:26.16 | Cairenn | an unfortunate truth, wereHamster - however, like "underground" radio and such, there is only so much that governments can do to really hide things |
| 21:27.42 | Cairenn | those that truly want to know, will find a way |
| 21:27.45 | KarlKFI | On a personal relational level it is generally better to actually give up rights and gain trust and understanding, however the governement needs to be protecting those rights as well. When the governement takes away your rights as oppossed to you giving them the right then the governement have over stepped its responsibility. |
| 21:27.50 | zespri|log | I think that the main barrier is not a government of whatever kind, but simply a language barrier |
| 21:28.12 | Cairenn | well, there is that as well, zespri |
| 21:33.37 | wereHamster | the sad thing is, there are countries where the majority doesn't give a damn about what's happening around them. And they have no interest in knowing what's 'out there' - in other countries. |
| 21:34.40 | wereHamster | they just want to live, and they don't care about the government as long as they get what they think they should get to live.. |
| 21:36.54 | wereHamster | I travel at least once in a year to such an country.. and I live in a country that has known democracy for about 850 years.. there's just ~800km between those two countries, but the people are so different.. |
| 21:44.33 | Cairenn | wereHamster: where? |
| 21:44.50 | Cairenn | if you don't mind my asking |
| 21:46.21 | wereHamster | one of the first countries to have democracy.. switzerland.. famous for banks, chocolat and cheese.. :) |
| 21:46.38 | Cairenn | I meant where do you travel *to* |
| 21:46.43 | id` | :p |
| 21:46.49 | id` | 800km |
| 21:46.50 | id` | *think* |
| 21:47.05 | wereHamster | just east of germany.. andnorth of austria :) |
| 21:47.15 | id` | right |
| 21:47.15 | id` | :p |
| 21:47.35 | Cairenn | well, now that he has said Switzerland, but he hadn't provided that information when I asked the question :p |
| 21:47.42 | KarlKFI | :P |
| 21:47.57 | KarlKFI | sorry... everyone else was doin git |
| 21:48.24 | wereHamster | now show us what you learned in school.. which country do I travel to? there's only one that fits my description :) |
| 21:48.42 | id` | ...... |
| 21:48.43 | id` | :p |
| 21:48.59 | id` | Cairenn: your turn |
| 21:49.04 | id` | Tem, pm |
| 21:49.06 | KarlKFI | Geography in school? You obviously had better primary schools.. |
| 21:49.08 | id` | *cough* |
| 21:49.20 | id` | KarlKFI: yea and english and french |
| 21:49.22 | id` | :p |
| 21:49.27 | Cairenn | It's New Zealand! |
| 21:49.31 | id` | haha |
| 21:49.32 | id` | :D |
| 21:49.51 | wereHamster | I've also been to NZ, but that's not qute what I meant.. |
| 21:49.57 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 21:50.14 | wereHamster | Czech Republic.. anyone knows that country? |
| 21:50.16 | KarlKFI | Who need geography when you have google maps. |
| 21:51.01 | KarlKFI | lemme bust out a ruller and hold it up to the screen... |
| 21:51.07 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 21:51.49 | Elkano | Cairenn, 3rd message to slouken ^^' |
| 21:52.16 | Cairenn | PM'd it to me? |
| 21:52.24 | KarlKFI | mmm, romania? |
| 21:52.39 | Elkano | yes :) |
| 21:52.57 | Cairenn | k, will post it when I get home, just about to head out the door |
| 21:53.07 | Tem | gah, I wish I had though of this question last night |
| 21:53.10 | Cairenn | taking daughter out for birthday dinner |
| 21:53.11 | End-funnyhat | hmm, I just picked some invisible herbs |
| 21:53.14 | Tem | he might have actually been able to help me |
| 21:53.14 | KarlKFI | I confess, I didn't use a ruler... Just measured with my fingers.. |
| 21:53.33 | KarlKFI | too lazy for a ruler.. |
| 21:53.54 | Elkano | well congratulations to her from the anonymous inet community ;) |
| 21:53.56 | KarlKFI | maybe if i had an on screen ruler and could rotate google maps.. |
| 21:54.13 | Cairenn | anyway, later guys |
| 21:54.18 | Iriel | Have fun! |
| 21:54.25 | Cairenn|afk | chinese food, yum |
| 21:55.14 | KarlKFI | course i think Bulgaria, Macedonia, Albania, Poland, Ukraine and Denmark are that far too.. |
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| 21:55.45 | KarlKFI | Portugal maybe... |
| 21:56.29 | Tem | Can any EU person do me a favor? |
| 21:56.57 | KarlKFI | So why is it google has Torina and UK maps but none of the rest of the uk |
| 21:57.01 | KarlKFI | er |
| 21:57.03 | KarlKFI | EU |
| 21:57.22 | Elkano | wereHamster, afair it's the one northeast of austria, isn't it? |
| 21:58.11 | Iriel | Gah, perl's =~ and lua's ~= will be the death of me today |
| 21:58.12 | wereHamster | Elkano, yes, north(-east) of austria and east of germany.. |
| 21:58.13 | KarlKFI | no Mexican maps either.. I'm dissapointed |
| 21:59.10 | Tem | That counts, what time does your raid instances reset? |
| 21:59.13 | Elkano | hmm, when saying such things I should read more then just the last ten lines ^^' |
| 21:59.25 | wereHamster | does anyone know a punycore implementation for lua? |
| 22:06.30 | Tem | Anyone here play on an EU server? |
| 22:06.47 | Tem | I know you are out there, I /will/ find you. So it's better for you to fess up now. |
| 22:08.38 | futrtrubl | 'fraid I don't Tem |
| 22:09.05 | Tem | well that's fine, it's not you that has to face my wrath later |
| 22:09.27 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 22:10.34 | futrtrubl | ugh, I hate trying to figure out Titan to make a non-standard plugin |
| 22:11.42 | Tem | Iriel: you have a typo in your 1.10 changes |
| 22:12.03 | Tem | Iriel: you have LayoutFrame:GetAllPoints() where you should have LayoutFrame:GetNumPoints() |
| 22:12.12 | wereHamster | Tem, Arthas, a german realm |
| 22:12.19 | Tem | wereHamster: yay! |
| 22:12.39 | Tem | wereHamster: can you tell me what time your ZG, Ony, and ZQ20 instances reset? |
| 22:13.01 | Tem | they are at 3AM PST in the US, I'm wondering what time over there |
| 22:13.21 | wereHamster | Ony is on a 3day timer I think.. |
| 22:13.53 | Tem | 5 |
| 22:13.58 | Tem | but that's not what I'm concerned with |
| 22:14.06 | Tem | what TIME OF DAY does it reset? |
| 22:14.14 | Tem | I know the dates, just not the times |
| 22:14.14 | wereHamster | resets in 1d3h.. is that what you want to hear? |
| 22:14.22 | Tem | yes, that's wonderful |
| 22:14.33 | wereHamster | ZG in 3h |
| 22:14.52 | wereHamster | and AQ not yet open :( |
| 22:14.57 | Tem | what time is it there? |
| 22:15.03 | Tem | midnight ish? |
| 22:15.05 | wereHamster | 23:15 |
| 22:15.18 | wereHamster | and I'm in the GMT+1 timezone |
| 22:15.44 | Tem | ok so it looks like they reset at 1:00 gmt |
| 22:16.02 | Tem | or is it 3h and change so that it's at 2:00 gmt? |
| 22:18.43 | Tem | did you run away? |
| 22:20.59 | wereHamster | no.. I'm trying to confiure my clocks.. |
| 22:22.21 | Tem | well? |
| 22:22.28 | Tem | what time gmt will it reset? |
| 22:23.06 | wereHamster | the time reported by the game, is it serer time or local time? |
| 22:23.27 | Tem | depends |
| 22:23.45 | Tem | but when it gives you "this will reset in Xh Ym" you can tell me what local time |
| 22:23.56 | Tem | and then converting to gmt is cake |
| 22:24.32 | wereHamster | ZG will reset in 3h and I'm in GMT+1 |
| 22:24.55 | Tem | but it's 23:24 over there by now |
| 22:25.11 | Tem | so is that 2h 36m? or 3h 36m? |
| 22:25.46 | wereHamster | sorry .. ZG will reset in 3H 35min and its exactly 32:25 now |
| 22:26.02 | Tem | great, thanks a lot |
| 22:26.22 | wereHamster | that would put the reset to 03:00 GMT+1 |
| 22:26.28 | Tem | thanks |
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| 22:27.15 | Tem | I'm going to put EU resets at 2:00 gmt and US resets at 11:00 GMT |
| 22:28.10 | Tem | now that might screw up based on DST |
| 22:28.17 | Tem | but, I don't care that much |
| 22:28.37 | wereHamster | Tem, do you manage a site with such infos or is it only for your own interest? |
| 22:28.44 | Tem | Addon |
| 22:28.59 | Tem | NAWTY |
| 22:29.04 | Tem | Now Are We There Yet |
| 22:29.17 | Tem | Raid instance reset info in game |
| 22:29.34 | wereHamster | isn't /raidinfo enough? |
| 22:29.42 | Tem | not when you aren't saved to the instance |
| 22:29.55 | Tem | and not when you are planning a raid a week in advance |
| 22:30.32 | wereHamster | do you already have the addon or are you only planing to write it.. |
| 22:30.54 | Tem | it's almost done |
| 22:31.08 | Tem | just adding the start info for the instances |
| 22:31.27 | Tem | well, I need to deal with a pesky gui.... |
| 22:31.33 | Tem | but that shouldn't take me TOO long |
| 22:31.42 | Tem | after all I've got 3 boring classes tomorrow |
| 22:32.26 | Tem | Why> |
| 22:32.28 | Tem | ? |
| 22:33.46 | Kirkburn | Nawty ... a *good* name ... |
| 22:34.07 | Kirkburn | Well, the Now bit anyway |
| 22:36.07 | *** join/#wowi-lounge kremonte (n=dan@ool-18bba4ea.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 22:36.25 | kremonte | where is cide |
| 22:36.31 | kremonte | i demand cide |
| 22:36.37 | Tem | hiding from you I assume |
| 22:36.42 | kremonte | I DEMAND CIDE |
| 22:37.34 | kremonte | someone just /rarly'd in the middle of nef fight |
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| 22:39.16 | End-funnyhat | I think only raid leader/assistants can do /rarly |
| 22:39.17 | wereHamster | what does /rarly ? |
| 22:39.36 | kremonte | yup end |
| 22:39.40 | kremonte | we have 8 assists right now |
| 22:40.21 | kremonte | mmkay |
| 22:40.32 | kremonte | nef landed |
| 22:40.38 | kremonte | and they rarly'd AGAIN |
| 22:40.42 | kremonte | <_> |
| 22:42.16 | wereHamster | I know what /raready does.. but what's /rarly for? |
| 22:43.03 | kremonte | O RLY? |
| 22:43.06 | Kirkburn | Does anyone know how to code CSS? |
| 22:43.08 | kremonte | theres a hint >> |
| 22:43.11 | kremonte | sure kirk |
| 22:43.33 | Kirkburn | What does this mean/how do I implement it You have no background-color with your color : a.class1:hover |
| 22:43.47 | Kirkburn | Am using the CSS validator atm |
| 22:43.47 | kremonte | er |
| 22:43.55 | kremonte | try doing background-color: transparent |
| 22:44.02 | Kirkburn | I'll paste the style... a.class1:link { font-family: Segoe UI,Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Serif; font-size: 7pt; font-style: normal; font-weight: bold; color: #ffffff; line-height: 10pt; text-decoration: underline} |
| 22:44.37 | Osagasu | Damn, they tool Twisting Nether down |
| 22:44.37 | id` | uhm |
| 22:44.48 | id` | background: none; |
| 22:44.49 | id` | ? |
| 22:44.59 | kremonte | it's asking about background-color =P |
| 22:45.05 | id` | background-color: none; |
| 22:45.06 | id` | ? |
| 22:45.10 | kremonte | transparent!!!1 |
| 22:45.19 | id` | background-color: transparent; |
| 22:45.19 | id` | ? |
| 22:45.26 | kremonte | that's what i said! D; |
| 22:45.29 | Kirkburn | That worked, 'none' |
| 22:45.34 | id` | owned |
| 22:45.34 | kremonte | fine :( |
| 22:45.37 | Kirkburn | oh wait |
| 22:45.42 | id` | ? |
| 22:45.44 | kremonte | what, you didn't read it? |
| 22:45.44 | Kirkburn | It didn't, it was just slow |
| 22:45.51 | id` | gah >_< |
| 22:45.53 | kremonte | try transparent |
| 22:46.14 | id` | -_-' |
| 22:47.15 | id` | and by myself anyway |
| 22:47.18 | Kirkburn | It's still complaning |
| 22:47.27 | id` | wanted to get an addon done this weekend and its ALLLMOST done |
| 22:47.31 | id` | Kirkburn: this is freenode |
| 22:47.39 | id` | Kirkburn: the open source mekka |
| 22:47.42 | id` | Kirkburn: #css |
| 22:47.50 | kremonte | isn't it mecca? |
| 22:47.55 | id` | not in dutch |
| 22:47.57 | id` | shh |
| 22:48.05 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 22:49.03 | id` | plaid, hmm, good artist |
| 22:49.17 | Kirkburn | But you're such wonderful people :p Can any suggest other font families? Is serif appropriate? |
| 22:53.59 | Kirkburn | I think I've realised why it gives me the error/warning. It's merely telling me that I have no background color. Which is true. It's transparent. Er. Thanks guys :) |
| 22:55.06 | id` | theres a thick line between error | warning |
| 22:57.07 | Tem | ok, I'm off |
| 22:57.11 | Tem | time to go back home |
| 22:57.17 | Tem | get some work done before the game |
| 22:57.24 | Tem | bye everyone |
| 22:57.31 | kremonte | nemesis robes for me ^_^ |
| 22:57.36 | id` | nn tem |
| 22:57.43 | Tem | grats kremonte |
| 22:57.44 | kremonte | cya tem |
| 22:57.47 | kremonte | thanks lol |
| 22:57.53 | Tem | oh and kremonte, I have a ToEP |
| 22:58.00 | kremonte | i don't hate you anymore ;o |
| 22:58.04 | kremonte | i got 3 pieces of nemesis this run |
| 22:58.08 | Tem | O.o |
| 22:58.11 | kremonte | belt/shoulder/body |
| 22:58.14 | Tem | how did you manage that? |
| 22:58.17 | kremonte | 2 locks with more than 300 DKP passed |
| 22:58.22 | kremonte | and i was the only other lock |
| 22:58.28 | Tem | nice |
| 22:58.29 | kremonte | so i managed 5 pieces of nemesis, lol |
| 22:58.44 | Tem | I'm still sitting at 3/8 arcanist |
| 22:58.55 | kremonte | gogogo |
| 22:58.55 | Tem | but that's fine with me because I don't really want arcanist |
| 22:59.02 | kremonte | every mage wants robe |
| 22:59.06 | kremonte | and the only times it drops off golemagg |
| 22:59.06 | Tem | I'm hoarding points so that NW will be mine |
| 22:59.15 | kremonte | is when every mage there has it |
| 22:59.18 | Tem | lol |
| 22:59.23 | Tem | I don't really want it |
| 22:59.26 | kremonte | "can i sub in for arcanist" no drop. "arcanist!" DE |
| 22:59.36 | Tem | I've got Robes of the Archmage |
| 22:59.45 | kremonte | mm nice |
| 22:59.53 | kremonte | wow i just saw nemesis's stats oO |
| 23:00.01 | kremonte | 32 damage on bp |
| 23:00.03 | Tem | so it's nice, but I'll let the other mages get it first |
| 23:00.11 | kremonte | you know what's funny about being a warlock? |
| 23:00.12 | Tem | my robe has 40 damage on it |
| 23:00.26 | kremonte | i'm still an initiate in my guild and i have 8/8 felheart and 5/8 nemesis |
| 23:00.34 | id` | lol :p |
| 23:00.35 | kremonte | the best part is |
| 23:00.44 | kremonte | i have -600 MC DKP, and -400 BWL DKP |
| 23:01.04 | kremonte | wtf oO |
| 23:01.24 | id` | yea i dont really have alot of time |
| 23:01.27 | GenNMX|Thrae | id`: If you wanted to finish an addon quicker, why didn't you use the AceDev template instead of trying things your way? |
| 23:01.36 | Tem | ok |
| 23:01.42 | kremonte | cya tem |
| 23:01.45 | kremonte | boo too late |
| 23:01.49 | id` | GenNMX|Thrae: AceDev template? |
| 23:02.02 | id` | GenNMX|Thrae: its only the damn db and slash commands not working |
| 23:02.05 | id` | see ##ace |
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| 23:04.22 | futrtrubl | can you inherit non-virtual frames? |
| 23:05.04 | Maldivia | hmm, is the forum login server down ? |
| 23:05.24 | Iriel | futrtrubl : no |
| 23:06.11 | futrtrubl | k |
| 23:07.53 | Maldivia | hmm, it's not possible to create a frame dynamically from a template, right? |
| 23:08.10 | Iriel | Maldivia : Correct (in 1.10, I assume you mean) |
| 23:08.16 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 23:08.26 | Iriel | Maldivia : But you can either script it, or write code to 'copy' an existing frame |
| 23:08.58 | Maldivia | yeah, but would be nice to be able to have a virtual frame (in XML), and then CreateFrame(...) using the template |
| 23:09.23 | Maldivia | but templates are only available when the addon is being loaded, right? |
| 23:09.42 | Iriel | Right, templates are parse-time constructs |
| 23:09.45 | Iriel | they dont "exist" |
| 23:10.01 | Maldivia | that's what I figured |
| 23:10.47 | Iriel | Really though, there's nothing stopping you from creating 'prototype' frame objects |
| 23:10.50 | Maldivia | *grumble* why is the login server down, just as I was about to post, and just as Superbowl is about to start... |
| 23:11.23 | Iriel | You're still probably better off than the old pre-1.10 create-everything-in-advance |
| 23:11.55 | Maldivia | yeah - have 135 frames... usually only use the 40-45... |
| 23:12.54 | Maldivia | looking forward to the test server opens, to actually play with CreateFrame |
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| 23:13.31 | GenNMX|Thrae | I wonder how long after 1.10 it'll take for Blizzard to rewrite their own UI to take advantage of pure Lua frames. That'd be cool -- never use the Raid frames? Don't worry, they don't exist unless you need them. |
| 23:14.25 | Iriel | I suspect they're doing ti already |
| 23:14.28 | MentalPower | hopefully they'll do it FOR 1.10 |
| 23:14.33 | Kirkburn | How drastically has it changed since last november? |
| 23:14.41 | Kirkburn | nov 2004 |
| 23:14.54 | Iriel | Quite a bit |
| 23:15.01 | Maldivia | the API? |
| 23:15.21 | Kirkburn | well, all of it ... I wasn't involved at the start so I don't know what it was like :) |
| 23:15.50 | Iriel | The look and feel from a user perspective has remained fairly consistent |
| 23:15.55 | Iriel | the API has grown quite a bit |
| 23:16.09 | Iriel | And the UI implementation has evolved somewhat |
| 23:16.11 | Kirkburn | Oh, an html question - what's the correctv method of specifying the top margin of a page as 0? The validator is complaning about <body background="Images/Backgrounds/Main_bg.jpg" topmargin="0"> |
| 23:16.22 | Maldivia | Hmm, I started coding WoW addons around patch 1.2-1.3, and it has changed a lot since then |
| 23:16.36 | Maldivia | especially opening up for a lot of unit-information |
| 23:16.44 | Kirkburn | I'm glad they haven't stopped changing it |
| 23:16.59 | Kirkburn | Means that addons are constanly getting shaken up |
| 23:17.17 | Iriel | Kirkburn : style="top-margin: 0px;" |
| 23:17.36 | Iriel | I think it's "top-margin" and not "margin-top", at any rate |
| 23:18.31 | Maldivia | if it follows normal CSS, it's margin-top |
| 23:18.58 | Iriel | It does, soitwould be that |
| 23:19.08 | Iriel | I always use the "margin: 0px 0px 0px 0px;" version |
| 23:19.20 | GenNMX|Thrae | I still can't think of a reliable solution for the global event,arg1,etc. problem where addons accidentially change these variables. |
| 23:19.25 | Kirkburn | Although I just specified it in CSS, so I didn't need it now :p |
| 23:19.41 | Maldivia | well, margin / padding / border (and probably others) and have -top -bottom -left -right added to them |
| 23:19.41 | Iriel | GenNMX|Thrae : dont use addons which change them |
| 23:19.46 | Iriel | GenNMX|Thrae : it's not very difficult 8-) |
| 23:20.21 | GenNMX|Thrae | Iriel: But still, those globals kinda go against the whole OO-ness of Lua... |
| 23:20.30 | GenNMX|Thrae | Although the Blizzard UI is fairly functional already *coughs* |
| 23:20.38 | Kirkburn | I've managed to get the errors on my CSS style sheet down to 0, but my index.htm is still up with 120 errors :s Bloody alt tags reuired EVERYWHERE |
| 23:20.58 | Iriel | GenNMX|Thrae : The WoW UI isn't very OO |
| 23:21.00 | Maldivia | alt is only required fore images :) |
| 23:21.08 | Iriel | GenNMX|Thrae : Other than frames themselves. |
| 23:21.16 | GenNMX|Thrae | Iriel: Right, that's what I just said... |
| 23:21.42 | Iriel | GenNMX|Thrae : I mean, it's not trying to be, but it's easy enough to make all of your handlers redirects to methods |
| 23:21.46 | GenNMX|Thrae | "functional", as in very standard C-like |
| 23:22.32 | Iriel | GenNMX|Thrae ; though that does give me an idea for a suggestion to slouken 8-) |
| 23:22.47 | GenNMX|Thrae | Hmm? |
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| 23:24.03 | Kirkburn | It's very strange finding that frontpage is making actual error in it's coding :S |
| 23:24.15 | GenNMX|Thrae | Kirkburn: Not strange to me one bit! |
| 23:24.28 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: you are kidding, righT? |
| 23:24.39 | Maldivia | ... about it being strange, that is |
| 23:25.03 | GenNMX|Thrae | I remember when Frontpage was VERY liberal with its "<FONT>" tags, nesting them like 10 deep for 1 operation |
| 23:25.54 | Kirkburn | Heh, I'm using 2003 and optimizing and reformatting all the time. Yet it still keeps <a class= *a* href=> |
| 23:26.59 | id` | < Kirkburn> It's very strange finding that frontpage is making actual error in it's coding :S |
| 23:27.04 | id` | hahahaha |
| 23:27.07 | id` | wait wait |
| 23:27.09 | id` | hahaha |
| 23:27.14 | Iriel | GenMX: Well, the idea is, there's no reason why blizzard couldn't call the handlers as if they WERE methods |
| 23:27.15 | id` | ok </lame> |
| 23:27.37 | Iriel | GenNMX|Thrae : Existing code would still work (the globals would still be set), but we could write handlers as proper methods and have them work too |
| 23:28.33 | futrtrubl | oooh, I like it. Then we could actually call the handlers themselves. |
| 23:28.39 | GenNMX|Thrae | Ah yes, that's one feature of Ace I thoroughly enjoy and miss when I'm working on non-Ace mods. |
| 23:29.37 | Iriel | it's fairly easy to write a metamethod which automatically detects the setting on On* values on tables, and registers script handlers as necessary. |
| 23:30.09 | Iriel | i.e. creating the this:OnWhatever(stuff) function if it's not already made, adn putting it into place |
| 23:30.21 | Iriel | Hm, if i'm bored I may make that 8-) |
| 23:31.25 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yeah, AceGUI does that too. I hope with 1.10 we'll have the ability to declare in Lua which function to call with OnShow, OnHide, OnEnter, etc., right? |
| 23:31.46 | Iriel | We can do that already |
| 23:31.48 | futrtrubl | don't we have that already |
| 23:31.49 | futrtrubl | ? |
| 23:31.52 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 23:31.54 | Iriel | frame:SetScript("OnShow", whatever) |
| 23:32.01 | GenNMX|Thrae | Ah, my mistake |
| 23:32.40 | GenNMX|Thrae | I never see anyone use it, so I assumed it was another thing we were waiting for in 1.10...I don't have enough GUI experience |
| 23:32.53 | Iriel | I use it extensively for OnUpdate |
| 23:32.58 | futrtrubl | I'll be using it in BEB soon |
| 23:33.11 | futrtrubl | for the reason Iriel just said ;'] |
| 23:33.45 | GenNMX|Thrae | BEB? Bring Ed Bacon? |
| 23:33.53 | Maldivia | Iriel: hehe, I'm trying to post a message in the CTRA thread, about Cide implementing the SetScript in Enter/Leave scripts, to not have the OnUpdaet storm he has |
| 23:33.58 | futrtrubl | yes, I would love some bacon |
| 23:34.08 | GenNMX|Thrae | Bad Ethan's Band! |
| 23:34.12 | Cide | Maldivia: yeah, I was thinking about that |
| 23:34.15 | futrtrubl | my real name is Ed |
| 23:34.23 | futrtrubl | ~beb |
| 23:34.24 | purl | from memory, beb is BasicExperienceBar, a highly configurable WoW XP bar addon. Find it at http://beb.edowner.net or at your favorite WoW addon site. |
| 23:34.24 | Cide | I was actually going to post about an improvement, but the forums won't let me log in |
| 23:34.26 | Maldivia | Cide: ohh, didn't see you joined :) |
| 23:34.33 | Cide | :) |
| 23:34.44 | GenNMX|Thrae | Boo Ein Badly |
| 23:35.32 | GenNMX|Thrae | Bah that's cheating, it should be BXPB ;) |
| 23:35.48 | futrtrubl | but that looks aweful ;'] |
| 23:35.58 | Maldivia | Cide: seen the screenshots posted in the thread? Can't see how the hell showning 40 frames causes a loss in 20fps |
| 23:36.05 | Maldivia | showing* |
| 23:36.46 | Cide | Maldivia: it seems rather weird... the onupdate function doesn't do much |
| 23:36.59 | GenNMX|Thrae | It looks like a guy with with a 70s hairstyle and double-chin laughing and sticking out his tounge |
| 23:37.06 | Maldivia | yeah, exactly - was looking through the code, and it's just some simple boolean expressions |
| 23:37.21 | Iriel | Are you sure it's the OnUpdate |
| 23:37.27 | Iriel | And not the frame rendering issue ? |
| 23:37.29 | Maldivia | I highly doubt it is |
| 23:37.39 | Maldivia | might be the rendering |
| 23:37.51 | futrtrubl | GenNMX|Thrae It does! ;'] |
| 23:39.20 | Maldivia | but (as I see it - Cide can confirm) all the health/mana/etc update functions aren't called, when in Virtual mode, so the resize call, that was a part of the rendering problem, isn't called |
| 23:39.55 | Cide | actually, no |
| 23:40.05 | Cide | the setheight call has nothing to do with the freeze issue |
| 23:40.34 | id` | nn |
| 23:40.41 | Cide | the freeze issue occurs when a frame is shown or hidden while the height of the ctra frames are above a certain value |
| 23:40.42 | Maldivia | Ok - thought it was a part of it |
| 23:40.43 | Cide | don't ask me why |
| 23:41.11 | Maldivia | so only on Show() or Hide() calls? |
| 23:41.13 | Cide | "HidePartyFrame(); ShowPartyFrame()" is called on RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE by UIParent.lua I believe |
| 23:41.27 | Cide | which loops through the party frames and hides and shows them respectively |
| 23:41.42 | Cide | commenting the calls out reduces the freeze by ~70% |
| 23:42.15 | Cide | though.. during the 2.5h I was trying to reproduce it with tigerclaw (blizzard dev), he only got a freeze once |
| 23:42.17 | Maldivia | yeah - I've noticed that the party-frames are shown and then hidden again, when raid changes occur |
| 23:42.28 | Maldivia | that is with the Hide Party UI activated in the Interface settings |
| 23:42.58 | Cide | I thought they were called regardless? |
| 23:43.08 | Maldivia | they might... |
| 23:43.17 | Wob | We are the new. We are the future. We are Lenovo. Think Lenovo! |
| 23:43.18 | Maldivia | just noticed that they "blink" |
| 23:43.20 | Wob | rofl |
| 23:43.29 | Wob | What a tagline =P |
| 23:44.06 | Maldivia | Wob: hmm, sounds like a bad bad paraphrasing of "We are the World" |
| 23:45.18 | Wob | We are the ones that make a brighter change so lets start... giving? |
| 23:45.50 | Kirkburn | [btw, I've managed to get rid of nearly all the errors on my htm doc! Woo!] |
| 23:45.55 | Maldivia | Cide: hmm, virtual frames - do they have this.cursor set by any chance? |
| 23:46.04 | Maldivia | Cide: or well, member frames, when in virtual mode |
| 23:46.15 | Cide | no |
| 23:46.29 | Maldivia | ok, figured the slowdown might be all the SetCursor calls |
| 23:48.14 | Kirkburn | Oh well gee this is just grand, I've just found IE conformed to a certain thing better than FF ... in which the site broke |
| 23:48.30 | Corrodias | you all suck for not playing x-wing alliance right now. |
| 23:48.38 | Kirkburn | Did you hear that ... IE just BEAT firefox |
| 23:48.49 | ScytheBlade1 | no way |
| 23:48.50 | ScytheBlade1 | get out |
| 23:49.07 | Kirkburn | It did |
| 23:49.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Humor me: which standard? |
| 23:49.16 | Kirkburn | I'd send you the file to preview it if I could |
| 23:49.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I have IE7 and FF |
| 23:49.34 | Kirkburn | This is basic html and css |
| 23:49.49 | Maldivia | define "beat" |
| 23:50.00 | Kirkburn | FF didn't honor at alt tag, and instead DISPLAYED the alt text |
| 23:50.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah. Which, um |
| 23:50.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Is the standard |
| 23:50.15 | ScytheBlade1 | You have to disable images |
| 23:50.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Then, in place of the images |
| 23:50.25 | ScytheBlade1 | it displays ALT |
| 23:50.30 | Kirkburn | The standard did not flag that up |
| 23:50.48 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a long standard to read :P |
| 23:51.00 | Cide | alt is supposed to display if the image can't be loaded or displayed |
| 23:51.11 | ScytheBlade1 | And I'll be honest, I haven't read the standard, but yeah, exactly what Cide said |
| 23:51.20 | Kirkburn | This is the tag which displayed 20px: <img src="Images/Backgrounds/20pix_horz.gif" width="20" height="1" alt="20px"> |
| 23:51.21 | ScytheBlade1 | that said, afk food ^^ |
| 23:51.23 | Cide | title displays the text as a tooltip |
| 23:51.24 | futrtrubl | yeah, I get alts showing up even when the image should show |
| 23:51.50 | Corrodias | ah, shit. -i- suck for not playing XWA right now, because i forgot to bring my discs with me. >:( |
| 23:52.29 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: hmm, where ? |
| 23:53.09 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Cide- (i=Cide@81-226-233-223-no60.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 23:53.30 | Kirkburn | I try to follow the standard and it messes it up in BOTH FF and IE. It worked when not following it :s |
| 23:53.44 | Kirkburn | Trying to work out how to explain it |
| 23:54.24 | Wob | Cause trying to write for both is a pain in the arse? |
| 23:55.20 | Kirkburn | It was just and image in a table as far as I can tell |
| 23:55.23 | Kirkburn | *an |
| 23:58.16 | Kirkburn | Ye gad, what the f is going on with these pages. I made the littlest changes |
| 23:58.38 | Wob | Welcome to the world of web page design =) |
| 23:59.28 | sarf|stuff | Whoo! Took down Golemagg the dogtamer at our first try ^^ No loot for me dropped! Yay! :) |