| 00:04.24 | futrtrubl | damn, if I want to use local functions I have to declare them earlier in the file than its calls? that means you can't have two local functions that could call each other when needed... |
| 00:05.30 | cladhaire | It doesn't matter if they're local or not. |
| 00:05.55 | cladhaire | two local functinos can call each other |
| 00:06.03 | wereHamster|Home | now if they could compile the binary for Linux-ELF, that'd be great :) |
| 00:16.39 | pagefault | it works well enough for me in wine |
| 00:16.42 | pagefault | but a native binary would be nice |
| 00:17.10 | pagefault | they had a linux binary in the beta |
| 00:17.15 | pagefault | but they stopped working on it |
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| 00:18.38 | pagefault | lots of good stuff in the beta |
| 00:18.39 | pagefault | that was removede |
| 00:22.26 | pagefault | I will give MS some credit, vstudio.net 2005 is pretty good |
| 00:22.29 | Codayus | What I wouldn't give for a linux client... |
| 00:22.37 | wereHamster|Home | slouken said that there is no linux version of WoW.. too bad, I thought he's a linux fan, too :( |
| 00:23.08 | Cairenn | okay, how do you equate there not being a linux version with him not being a linux fan? |
| 00:23.39 | pagefault | he dictates all at blizzard! |
| 00:23.41 | Cairenn | I've been biting my tongue a lot throughout this conversation |
| 00:24.16 | pagefault | I think bliz doesn't care about linux anymore because cedega and wine have made the time and money into developing a linux client pointless |
| 00:25.14 | Cairenn | unless you work at Blizz or can show me a press release where they say that, don't presume you know why they made the decisions they made |
| 00:26.05 | pagefault | best thing to hope for is someone gets macos x binary compatibility in linux |
| 00:26.09 | pagefault | so you can run that client |
| 00:27.34 | wereHamster|Home | but this situation has at least one advantage.. under linux (when running under wine) warden is pointless and you can write bots and nobody is ever going to find out :) .. I did write one, was fun:) |
| 00:27.49 | pagefault | yeah you can pretty much take over the entire windows API |
| 00:28.41 | pagefault | if I were a farmer I would be using linux |
| 00:29.48 | pagefault | I don't think anyone is stopping people from doing the same in windows though |
| 00:29.56 | pagefault | you can pop a direct input wrapper into your main WoW directory |
| 00:30.00 | pagefault | and feed it keystrokes |
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| 00:33.52 | Ktron | hey everyone |
| 00:33.54 | Ktron | how is everyone |
| 00:34.02 | Cairenn | hey Ktron :) |
| 00:34.46 | Ktron | s/the holes/about the holes/ |
| 00:55.07 | SP|Sorren | anyone around? |
| 00:55.16 | SP|Sorren | :O |
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| 00:55.32 | Shouryuu | rawr... |
| 00:55.35 | SP|Sorren | hello. |
| 00:55.36 | Cairenn | hi Shouryuu |
| 00:55.51 | Shouryuu | I need to drop the rawr act |
| 00:56.06 | SP|Sorren | if i pass an array to a function, does it pass a copy of the array or like a reference to the array? |
| 00:57.59 | SP|Sorren | im just wondering whether it'd be horrible to pass arrays back and forth between functions o.O |
| 00:58.26 | Shouryuu | eternal sunshine of the spotless mind is not a movie to see if you're depressed |
| 00:58.35 | AnduinLothar | it's sooo good tho |
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| 00:59.22 | Shouryuu | it is |
| 00:59.26 | Shouryuu | but bloody depresing |
| 00:59.36 | AnduinLothar | nah. it's goodness |
| 00:59.51 | Shouryuu | depressing |
| 00:59.54 | AnduinLothar | goodness |
| 00:59.56 | Shouryuu | suicidalness |
| 01:00.03 | Shouryuu | depressingness |
| 01:00.05 | Shouryuu | badness |
| 01:00.07 | AnduinLothar | crazy cracked out goodness |
| 01:00.10 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 01:00.28 | Shouryuu | it's a great movie, I have to agree :P |
| 01:00.36 | AnduinLothar | the scene where he's a kid and his gf is his mom's friend... |
| 01:00.44 | AnduinLothar | omg that scene is awsome |
| 01:01.01 | AnduinLothar | camera angles and odd scaled props ftw |
| 01:01.29 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 01:01.47 | Shouryuu | the end with the house falling apart is just godly |
| 01:01.55 | Shouryuu | but depressing |
| 01:01.56 | AnduinLothar | i know, while they're in it.. |
| 01:02.00 | AnduinLothar | goodness |
| 01:04.37 | Shouryuu | meh |
| 01:04.43 | Shouryuu | gonna try and get some sleep |
| 01:04.45 | Shouryuu | night young ones |
| 01:18.46 | Wob | SP|Sorren: I'm under the impression that it passes a reference |
| 01:30.39 | SP|Sorren | i sure hope so |
| 01:34.35 | cladhaire | everything is passed by reference |
| 01:36.10 | SP|Sorren | never noticed ;O |
| 01:36.12 | SP|Sorren | usually i use globals |
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| 02:24.55 | Wob | I like having a relatively highish character when class changes come in |
| 02:25.03 | Wob | It makes it all shiny and new =) |
| 02:29.59 | Tem | Gah AB is so boring |
| 02:30.12 | Tem | wait an hour to sit at a resource point and never get attacked |
| 02:30.13 | Tem | yay! |
| 02:30.30 | cladhaire | =) |
| 02:31.26 | Wob | Is there any way to easily get the return of a function like GetItemInfo as a table? |
| 02:31.32 | cladhaire | yep |
| 02:31.45 | cladhaire | local tbl = { GetItemInfo(blahblah) } |
| 02:31.53 | Wob | ... Brilliant =) |
| 02:32.15 | cladhaire | =) |
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| 02:37.05 | Tem | but, you don't want to do that |
| 02:37.22 | Tem | unneeded table constructions are bad |
| 02:37.46 | Wob | I'm trying to feed it into another function |
| 02:37.55 | Wob | as arguments |
| 02:38.09 | Wob | would it be better to dump into locals and pass that way? |
| 02:38.38 | futrtrubl | or myfunction(GetItemInfo()) |
| 02:39.18 | Wob | Tried that =( |
| 02:39.18 | futrtrubl | umm myfunction(GetItemInfo(blahblah)) even |
| 02:39.43 | futrtrubl | use function myfunction(...) |
| 02:40.11 | Beladona | what are you trying to do |
| 02:40.12 | futrtrubl | then the return args should be arg.1 etc, or is it arg1 etc? |
| 02:40.26 | Wob | hm |
| 02:40.40 | Wob | Bugger all that =) |
| 02:40.44 | Wob | I'll pass the itemID |
| 02:40.45 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 02:40.58 | Wob | and then in the target function call the info |
| 02:41.00 | Wob | =) |
| 02:41.06 | Tem | Wob, what do you need? |
| 02:41.09 | Tem | exactly |
| 02:41.11 | futrtrubl | any downside to doing it that way? |
| 02:41.16 | Tem | yes |
| 02:41.20 | Beladona | I was gonna say, I mighta missed some of the convo, but it looked like someone was making a mountain out of a molehill |
| 02:41.27 | Tem | using ... isn't a good thing |
| 02:41.42 | Beladona | and I agree with Tem there |
| 02:42.21 | futrtrubl | agree too, but was trying to get his way to work |
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| 02:48.49 | Maldivia | *grumble* |
| 02:49.23 | Cairenn | *eyebrow arch* |
| 02:51.42 | Maldivia | have the exact same code 2 places, one place it works, the other place it doesn't |
| 02:53.27 | Maldivia | arghh... grr |
| 02:53.31 | Maldivia | found the problem :) |
| 02:54.12 | Cairenn | well, don't leave us in suspense |
| 02:55.54 | Maldivia | I didn't notice I overwrite the OnLoad later :) |
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| 03:39.37 | Cairenn | YELL! |
| 03:41.01 | AnduinLothar | AAAHHHH! |
| 03:46.40 | Wob | AHHHHHHH! |
| 03:47.41 | SP|Sorren | is getglobal a blizzard thing or standard lua? |
| 03:48.56 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 03:49.03 | SP|Sorren | very good. yes. |
| 03:49.12 | SP|Sorren | so its a blizzard thing? |
| 03:49.19 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 03:49.24 | SP|Sorren | thank you. |
| 03:49.46 | SP|Sorren | can you do references in lua? |
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| 04:02.05 | Violentnight | hey peoples |
| 04:02.50 | Cairenn | hi Violentnight |
| 04:05.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I fried a CPU.. |
| 04:06.08 | Ktron | how fast was it |
| 04:07.27 | Wob | How do you mean, Sorren? Everything is a reference |
| 04:07.48 | SP|Sorren | well |
| 04:07.51 | SP|Sorren | if i say a = x; |
| 04:07.53 | SP|Sorren | then change a |
| 04:07.56 | SP|Sorren | x doesn't change right? |
| 04:08.09 | SP|Sorren | what if i wanted a to basically be x ;P |
| 04:08.15 | SP|Sorren | a pointer to x |
| 04:08.17 | SP|Sorren | you i guess |
| 04:08.22 | SP|Sorren | er ya |
| 04:08.22 | SP|Sorren | er |
| 04:08.23 | SP|Sorren | i |
| 04:08.25 | SP|Sorren | blah :/ |
| 04:08.55 | Ktron | so IE7b2 has tabbed, a search bar, and RSS Feeds, and a new interface that makes it look... just... like.... firefox.... |
| 04:09.13 | SP|Sorren | learn from the best, imo. |
| 04:09.16 | Violentnight | lol can't beat 'em, join 'em? |
| 04:09.38 | Cairenn | oh can we please not go there *again* today? |
| 04:09.50 | Violentnight | It still won't be open source or make 3rd party addons so easy to make, install, and configure |
| 04:10.04 | Violentnight | lol |
| 04:10.32 | Ktron | Time to restart for me too, catch you all in a bit |
| 04:11.37 | Wob | so when 'a' changes, so does 'x'? |
| 04:11.53 | Wob | er |
| 04:12.54 | Wob | I've suddenly lost all my recollection of pointers =P If 'a' was a pointer to 'x', and you changed 'a', it would no longer point to 'x', wouldn't it? |
| 04:13.22 | Violentnight | you can dereference 'a' to change the value it points to.. which is teh same value that 'x' points to |
| 04:13.36 | Violentnight | or you could change the address of 'a' to point to something else and, thereby, not affect x |
| 04:13.46 | Violentnight | but I don't think LUA supports pointers |
| 04:13.49 | Wob | ah, that's what I thought |
| 04:14.14 | Wob | good ol' &a and *a |
| 04:14.22 | Violentnight | yup |
| 04:14.45 | SP|Sorren | i meant being able toe deference a, yah |
| 04:14.52 | SP|Sorren | jeez |
| 04:14.55 | SP|Sorren | i cant type at all today |
| 04:14.57 | SP|Sorren | gg 2 midterms |
| 04:15.03 | SP|Sorren | has me tired out ;O |
| 04:15.28 | Violentnight | int b; int *ptrA = &b; ptrA = 8; // now b equals 8 |
| 04:16.49 | SP|Sorren | yes, but can you do such a thing in lua ;( |
| 04:18.25 | Violentnight | nope |
| 04:18.32 | SP|Sorren | unfortunate :( |
| 04:18.53 | Violentnight | pointers aren't secure... if LUA allowed them, then you could potentially access the WoW memory space.. amongst other things.. and reak all sorts of havo |
| 04:18.55 | Violentnight | havoc* |
| 04:19.02 | SP|Sorren | meh! |
| 04:19.10 | Wob | wreak* =) |
| 04:19.16 | Violentnight | yeah that ^_^ |
| 04:19.20 | Violentnight | you can pass values by reference though |
| 04:19.30 | Violentnight | table adn functions are passed by reference |
| 04:19.46 | SP|Sorren | hurrah |
| 04:20.31 | Violentnight | myObject = {}; DoSomething(myObject); function DoSomething(object_param) object_param.name = "hi"; end //myObject.name now equals "hi" |
| 04:20.41 | Wob | If I put a table in two different tables, am I copying the table, or putting the reference in (ie changing one changes the one in the other table too)? |
| 04:20.57 | Violentnight | copying |
| 04:21.21 | Violentnight | the reference only comes into effect when passing into a function |
| 04:21.28 | Wob | like womble = {frog}, table.insert(cabbage, frog), table.insert(carrot, frog) |
| 04:21.33 | Wob | er.gah |
| 04:21.40 | Wob | comppletely incorrect example =P |
| 04:21.43 | Violentnight | lol |
| 04:21.47 | Wob | alas =) Okay |
| 04:22.19 | Violentnight | What are you trying to do? I'm sure there's a way to do it without pointers |
| 04:22.45 | SP|Sorren | yes, but i just have to write a little more ;P |
| 04:22.52 | SP|Sorren | i was trying to be lazy |
| 04:22.52 | SP|Sorren | :( |
| 04:23.48 | Violentnight | hehe |
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| 04:34.09 | Violentnight | Anyone know anything about the .pub and .sig files in the new Blizzard_<Addon> addons or why only the AuctionUI and MacroUI have .lua files and none have an .xml file? |
| 04:37.07 | SP|Sorren | well, my auctionUI doesn't have a lua file |
| 04:37.09 | SP|Sorren | so i have no idea :P |
| 04:37.12 | Violentnight | then again.. maybe I just somehow missed all the other .xml and .lua files |
| 04:37.15 | SP|Sorren | if you extract from the mpq though |
| 04:37.19 | SP|Sorren | you get the lua and xml |
| 04:37.37 | Violentnight | yup--lookin at that now. I'm an idiot ^_^ |
| 04:37.44 | Violentnight | still don't know what those .pub and .sig files are though |
| 04:38.12 | SP|Sorren | ./shrug, maybe thats what blizzard uses to make sure that they haven't been tampered w/ |
| 04:39.01 | Violentnight | that'd make sense for the .sig--but then what's the point of putting them under Addons instead of FrameXML with all their other stuff that we're not supposed to touch? =) |
| 04:39.22 | SP|Sorren | they're load on demand |
| 04:39.48 | Cairenn | I am just throwing out a random idea here, but remember that whole "digital signing" of mods that keeps being discussed? .sig might be for that? |
| 04:39.55 | SP|Sorren | while the framexml ones are not |
| 04:40.04 | SP|Sorren | i sure hope not, that'd be horrible |
| 04:40.17 | SP|Sorren | if i had to send in a mod for digital signing each time :( |
| 04:40.23 | Violentnight | haven't heard of that, Cairenn |
| 04:40.39 | SP|Sorren | how would you get the mod to work in the first place if you had to get it signed to use it? |
| 04:40.42 | Cairenn | I mean, what's the abbreviation for a signature? "sig" ... |
| 04:40.44 | AnduinLothar | mmm these Moonstones are good for marking positions in raids |
| 04:41.06 | Cairenn | (pure supposition on my part here) |
| 04:41.57 | Violentnight | Silly blizzard and their random ideas |
| 04:42.58 | Violentnight | Coding would be so much easier if I could just plug my brain into the USB port and have the code generated as the ideas came to mind |
| 04:46.54 | SP|Sorren | ;o |
| 04:46.59 | SP|Sorren | that sounds painful |
| 04:47.00 | Violentnight | Anyone know what 'Duration' on an item means? I just noticed that my lunar festival scroll says 'Duration: 23 hours' on it |
| 04:47.12 | Cairenn | it poofs after that time |
| 04:47.20 | SP|Sorren | ^ |
| 04:47.33 | Violentnight | oh.. bummer.. I was hoping to have a new way to get between cities than waiting for those blasted airships |
| 04:48.26 | Violentnight | wow.. I just went into my code and held down the 'a' button in hopes of rotating it to the left |
| 04:50.42 | SP|Sorren | what do you plan to with your code rotated to the left :P |
| 04:50.51 | Wob | backstab it =) |
| 04:51.04 | Violentnight | lol yeah... backstab it |
| 04:51.09 | Cairenn | lol Wob |
| 04:51.12 | SP|Sorren | ;o |
| 04:51.50 | Violentnight | I dunno.. it was just one of those things where my brain forgot what I was doing |
| 04:52.08 | Wob | Alas. WoW freezes up when in the queue and not in the window =( |
| 04:52.13 | Violentnight | like when I want cereal and grab a cup... or I'm thirsty and look in the cupboard |
| 04:52.35 | Violentnight | or I need to use teh restroom and head to the kitchen |
| 04:53.20 | SP|Sorren | i look in the cupboard when im thirsty. |
| 04:53.24 | SP|Sorren | its where i hide my booze. |
| 04:54.00 | SP|Sorren | blah |
| 04:54.08 | SP|Sorren | i dont remember how my addon works |
| 04:54.11 | Violentnight | haha |
| 04:54.12 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:54.23 | Wob | It's got magic smoke in it =) |
| 04:54.29 | SP|Sorren | seriously |
| 04:54.32 | SP|Sorren | im staring at my code |
| 04:54.37 | SP|Sorren | and im like "WTF THIS CANT WORK" |
| 04:54.38 | SP|Sorren | and it does |
| 04:54.39 | SP|Sorren | wth |
| 04:55.01 | Violentnight | Has anyone found a logical use for background and artwork layers? I generally have text or an image.. or both.. and I'm always debating on whether I should put 'em on the background or consider 'em artwork |
| 04:55.12 | Wob | argh, I so want to be able to use SQL queries on my inventory =P |
| 04:55.24 | SP|Sorren | lol |
| 04:55.28 | Wob | I look at my code and think "I could do this so simply with a query =(" |
| 04:55.29 | Violentnight | create a SQL parser ^_^ |
| 04:55.57 | SP|Sorren | ^ |
| 04:56.08 | zespri|log | I dont re,eber this kind of stuff all the time. Sometimes it's embarrasing. I had a job interview, and mentioned that we made original technical solution in my recent project. When they asked me to describe, I realized that I completely forgot what it was. It was really embarrasing and of course I didn't get that job. |
| 04:56.28 | SP|Sorren | :( |
| 04:56.38 | zespri|log | My brain gets rid of information it considers no longer relevant very fast |
| 04:56.50 | SP|Sorren | mine too |
| 04:56.52 | Wob | Mine's more like ... code code code oohshiny... |
| 04:57.00 | SP|Sorren | i havent worked on this addon for months now |
| 04:57.14 | SP|Sorren | le sigh~ |
| 04:57.40 | SP|Sorren | im really wishing i commented my code |
| 04:57.57 | Violentnight | send it to me--I'll comment it for ya |
| 04:58.14 | SP|Sorren | meh, ill figure it out eventually |
| 04:58.24 | Wob | -- This function does Stuff (tm) |
| 04:58.29 | SP|Sorren | ^ |
| 04:59.24 | Cairenn | oh lord - Saien is putting in his 2c worth on the "coding practices" thread |
| 04:59.38 | SP|Sorren | ooo |
| 04:59.41 | SP|Sorren | i have to see this ;O |
| 05:00.18 | Cairenn | at the moment, he hasn't really said anything, surprisingly enough |
| 05:00.20 | Violentnight | who's Saien? Is that the dude that talks like a Jamaican? |
| 05:00.24 | SP|Sorren | omg |
| 05:00.26 | Cairenn | no |
| 05:00.27 | SP|Sorren | why didnt i read this thread |
| 05:00.40 | Cairenn | that's Fizzwidget |
| 05:00.44 | SP|Sorren | nah saien writes all sorts of useful little mods, equipmanager and bgbuddy |
| 05:00.47 | SP|Sorren | or maybe its bgassist |
| 05:00.48 | SP|Sorren | i forget |
| 05:00.53 | Violentnight | because I used my dark powers to obfuscate it from you, SP|Sorren |
| 05:01.15 | SP|Sorren | iriel makes it very clear that i can do what i was trying to do :P |
| 05:01.31 | SP|Sorren | and be properly lazy |
| 05:01.33 | SP|Sorren | nooooo |
| 05:01.53 | Cairenn | saien may be a good coder, but his attitude tends to suck, mightly |
| 05:02.01 | Wob | Do you have a link, Cair? |
| 05:02.02 | Tain | ~emulate Saien |
| 05:02.03 | purl | I could have helped you, but I won't. |
| 05:02.18 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=312846&p=1&tmp=1#post312846 |
| 05:02.27 | Wob | ta =) |
| 05:02.30 | SP|Sorren | i got that "high and mighty" impression from him when people requested features for autobar |
| 05:02.31 | Cairenn | de nada |
| 05:02.49 | Cairenn | he definitely has a superiority complex |
| 05:02.51 | SP|Sorren | and he was like "i designed it to do what i wanted it to do, stfugoaway" |
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| 05:03.03 | SP|Sorren | well, maybe not the last part |
| 05:03.05 | Tain | The unfortunate thing is that people feed it. |
| 05:03.06 | SP|Sorren | but that was the impresion i got! |
| 05:03.56 | Cairenn | well, I strongly support that an author create *for themselves*, otherwise why bother ... but you can say "sorry, I'm not interested in adding that feature" a lot more politely than stfugoway |
| 05:04.21 | Wob | Hehe I like the guild names, Cairenn =) |
| 05:04.32 | Violentnight | two cents? that was more like half a penny |
| 05:04.33 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 05:04.57 | Violentnight | and lol @ the emulate Saien |
| 05:05.13 | Cairenn | ~emulate Saien |
| 05:05.15 | purl | Why do I care? Why are you posting here? |
| 05:05.16 | Wob | It's like the Commodore 64 band "Press Play On Tape" =) |
| 05:05.31 | Violentnight | never heard of 'em |
| 05:05.38 | Cairenn | ~emulate Saien |
| 05:05.40 | purl | Why do I care? Why are you posting here? |
| 05:05.45 | Violentnight | lol |
| 05:06.00 | Cairenn | ~emulate Saien |
| 05:06.01 | purl | You are of course, wrong, and I invite you to prove it to yourself. |
| 05:06.01 | Wob | http://www.pressplayontape.com/ |
| 05:06.08 | Cairenn | ah, there's my fav |
| 05:06.20 | Violentnight | hehe |
| 05:06.22 | SP|Sorren | thats a good one |
| 05:06.31 | Violentnight | I liked the first one |
| 05:06.34 | Cairenn | that's a direct quote |
| 05:06.40 | Violentnight | really? lol |
| 05:06.59 | SP|Sorren | how does purl do this emulate stuff ;P |
| 05:07.07 | Tain | They all are direct quotes from him. |
| 05:07.08 | Cairenn | he's been programmed |
| 05:07.15 | Cairenn | ~emulate me |
| 05:07.17 | purl | ACTION purrs |
| 05:07.17 | Wob | who can he emulate? |
| 05:07.26 | Cairenn | whoever has been programmed into him |
| 05:07.27 | *** join/#wowi-lounge AMD900 (n=sokolsg@sokol.kharkov.com) |
| 05:07.35 | Violentnight | ~emulate me |
| 05:07.40 | Violentnight | boogy! |
| 05:07.40 | Cairenn | you haven't been |
| 05:07.42 | Wob | Can we get a listing? =) |
| 05:07.46 | Violentnight | lol |
| 05:07.50 | SP|Sorren | ~emulate slouken |
| 05:07.52 | purl | ACTION picks up a bug swatter ... *splat* ... *splat* ... Ewww, that was a big one... |
| 05:07.56 | Cairenn | hehehehe |
| 05:07.58 | SP|Sorren | lol |
| 05:08.03 | Violentnight | ~emulate Iriel |
| 05:08.06 | purl | ACTION is beyond emulation. |
| 05:08.09 | Cairenn | ~slouken? |
| 05:08.10 | purl | well, slouken is an amazing WoW dev, or a close friend of God. |
| 05:08.20 | Cairenn | ~cairenn |
| 05:08.21 | purl | i guess cairenn is one of the administrators of WoWInterface.com, also EQInterface, EQ2Interface and VGInterface |
| 05:08.26 | Wob | ~iriel |
| 05:08.37 | Cairenn | hrm |
| 05:08.46 | Wob | ~Tem? |
| 05:08.47 | purl | I wonder what Tem is breaking now... |
| 05:08.51 | Cairenn | hehehhee |
| 05:08.57 | Violentnight | his keyboard? |
| 05:09.02 | Cairenn | ~emulate Tem |
| 05:09.03 | purl | Dammit, that's it. I'm breaking a new [something]! |
| 05:09.09 | Violentnight | lol nice |
| 05:09.54 | Violentnight | It's amazing how little work I get done when I come into this channel |
| 05:10.01 | Violentnight | I blame you all! |
| 05:10.12 | Cairenn | it does tend to have that tendency, yes |
| 05:10.14 | Violentnight | .. and my lack of brain power |
| 05:10.27 | Violentnight | but mostly.. well.. my brain power. But you all are still in there! Yes. |
| 05:10.28 | Cairenn | errr, that was rather redundant, now wasn't it? |
| 05:11.06 | Violentnight | Redundant? Nah.. you're just stressing the point |
| 05:11.10 | SP|Sorren | he crashed and had a slight rollback |
| 05:11.13 | zespri|log | oops queue! since when wow has queues? |
| 05:11.34 | SP|Sorren | shh, i transfered to mugthol. everyday when i get back from class im greeted w/ a 700+ queue |
| 05:11.44 | zespri|log | I heard of them but it's the first time I've expiriensed them myself |
| 05:12.04 | SP|Sorren | ;o |
| 05:12.09 | Violentnight | hehe.. I was getting queued everytime I tried to get on Archimonde last week |
| 05:12.18 | Violentnight | unless it was like 3AM |
| 05:12.32 | Violentnight | haven't had a queue yet this week though |
| 05:12.40 | zespri|log | estimated time 11 minutes. Is it accurate or can be couple of hours? |
| 05:13.00 | Cairenn | usually fairly accurate, from what I've seen |
| 05:13.20 | SP|Sorren | thats because like half of archimond transfered to mug'thol |
| 05:13.30 | Violentnight | pretty accurate for me... but my friend, who was using a trial account, actually had her queue bounce all over the place--like 20 minutes to 2 hours to 5 minutes to 75 minutes |
| 05:13.53 | Violentnight | what's so special about Mug'thol? |
| 05:14.16 | Violentnight | Is the world designed with a 'mug' theme? Free beer for all? |
| 05:15.00 | Wob | I think the trial accounts are given less priority than a paid one |
| 05:15.31 | Violentnight | That's what I told her--but she made an awfully good point that, if that's the case, then it's going to be hard for someone to want to upgrade to a paid account |
| 05:15.46 | Wob | hehe yeah =) |
| 05:15.50 | Wob | I've thought about that also |
| 05:16.04 | Wob | They should get priority tbh |
| 05:16.12 | Wob | So Blizzard at least gets the first $30 |
| 05:16.18 | Wob | or however much |
| 05:16.19 | Violentnight | hehe |
| 05:16.22 | Violentnight | 15ish |
| 05:16.25 | Violentnight | you're gettin screwed |
| 05:16.42 | Wob | I think it comes out to about roughly $20 or so for me =P |
| 05:16.57 | Wob | maybe 17ish |
| 05:17.06 | Wob | Feh, that's what automatic payment is for =P |
| 05:17.21 | Violentnight | lol |
| 05:17.24 | Violentnight | it's 14.99/mo |
| 05:17.30 | Violentnight | for a one month plan |
| 05:17.35 | Cairenn | only if you are in the US |
| 05:17.45 | Cairenn | if you are elsewhere, it's higher |
| 05:17.54 | Violentnight | that's stupid |
| 05:18.04 | Cairenn | because of the exchange rate :p |
| 05:18.09 | Violentnight | should be less since, from what I hear, you don't get a very good connection outside the US either |
| 05:18.50 | Cairenn | it's still only $14.99/us, but it's the us -> {your currency} that makes it be higher |
| 05:19.15 | Violentnight | yeah... so how many people here aren't in the US? |
| 05:19.26 | Cairenn | <-- |
| 05:19.46 | Wob | <-- |
| 05:20.08 | Violentnight | so 66%? lol |
| 05:20.09 | Wob | I should go for the 3 month payment |
| 05:20.21 | Cairenn | lego, futrtrubl, id`, sarf, I know there are others |
| 05:20.32 | Violentnight | wow |
| 05:20.41 | Violentnight | We Americans must be awful shitty coders |
| 05:20.57 | AnduinLothar | never sure if i'm gonna have $ next month so i think i've payed $20 more than i've needed too in monthly |
| 05:21.03 | Wob | how'd you come to that conclusion? =) |
| 05:21.14 | zespri|log | I'm in new zealand, but I use US servers. |
| 05:21.16 | Cairenn | norganna, when he's around |
| 05:21.46 | Wob | Well... they're all US servers =P |
| 05:21.49 | Wob | unfortunately |
| 05:21.50 | Tain | Warning shot fired across the starboard bow. |
| 05:21.55 | Violentnight | Well from the time I've spent here--I think me and Tem are the only people in the U.S. here... and I know you're all more experienced than I am |
| 05:22.10 | Cairenn | nope, lots of americans in channel too |
| 05:22.13 | AnduinLothar | im cali |
| 05:22.26 | Cairenn | tain, AnduinLothar, Iriel |
| 05:22.26 | Violentnight | yay we got 3! |
| 05:22.39 | AnduinLothar | iriel counts as 3 |
| 05:22.42 | Cairenn | although Iriel is a transplant |
| 05:22.47 | Violentnight | haha |
| 05:22.56 | Cairenn | he's a Brit by birth |
| 05:22.58 | Violentnight | I gotta ask 'cause it's been buggin me--Is Iriel male or female? |
| 05:23.00 | Tain | Tem isn't from the U.S. He's from Crashadonia, which is a small town in Crashland. |
| 05:23.29 | Cairenn | Iriel the *character* is female, the *person* behind the keys is male |
| 05:23.30 | Wob | He works as a Breaker Of Things. It's a tribal title |
| 05:23.49 | Violentnight | so he cross-dresses? |
| 05:24.01 | Cairenn | not in real life |
| 05:24.06 | Cairenn | :p |
| 05:24.09 | Violentnight | hehe |
| 05:24.12 | Wob | Well, not in public at least =) |
| 05:24.15 | Violentnight | lol |
| 05:24.30 | Cairenn | there is one RL female in channel |
| 05:24.31 | Wob | Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of men?! |
| 05:24.37 | Wob | (and women) |
| 05:24.40 | Violentnight | I was looked at one of his mods and his name was listed as Daniel, but I always see the female avatar on the WoW forums so I'm always thinkin of him as a girl |
| 05:24.44 | Tain | There were more, but she killed them and took their power. |
| 05:24.45 | Violentnight | it's all sorts of perplexing and such |
| 05:24.53 | Wob | There can be only one? |
| 05:24.57 | Violentnight | lol Tain |
| 05:25.02 | Cairenn | bah, not true |
| 05:25.05 | Tain | Now we all serve the Queen Mother. |
| 05:25.11 | Cairenn | >< |
| 05:25.23 | Cairenn | oh lord, don't frigging even start on me :p |
| 05:25.24 | Wob | . o O ("We are not amused?") |
| 05:25.55 | Tain | I have to get it in now, they could turn off my net connection at any time. :) |
| 05:25.58 | Violentnight | So is purl Cairenn's baby? |
| 05:26.03 | Cairenn | nope |
| 05:26.09 | Cairenn | purl belongs to TimRiker |
| 05:26.27 | Violentnight | who's he? I've never seen him |
| 05:27.01 | Cairenn | one of the freenode admins |
| 05:27.25 | Cairenn | ~timriker |
| 05:27.27 | purl | it has been said that timriker is my owner http://rikers.org/ mailto:Tim@Rikers.org mailto:TimR@Debian.org maintainer of BZFlag, member of a ton of open source projects http://www.advogato.com/person/timriker/ http://sourceforge.net/users/timriker/ the guy who GPL'd SCO's ABI files, giving every Linux user the right to use them ;-), or a very cool guy. |
| 05:27.46 | Violentnight | nice |
| 05:27.49 | Violentnight | what's gaffertape? |
| 05:28.12 | Wob | duct tape =) |
| 05:28.15 | AnduinLothar | similar to duct tape |
| 05:28.17 | Violentnight | "the guy who GPL'd SCO's ABI files" -- I hate acronyms |
| 05:28.42 | Cairenn | General Public License'd SCO (company name) |
| 05:28.53 | Cairenn | ABI I don't recognize *shrug* |
| 05:29.03 | AnduinLothar | ~ABI |
| 05:29.04 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, abi is Application Binary Interface |
| 05:29.12 | Wob | hehe purl rocks =) |
| 05:29.13 | Violentnight | nice |
| 05:29.18 | Violentnight | ~sco |
| 05:29.19 | purl | rumour has it, sco is the new name for Caldera, and they're making right fools of themselves, or the antichrist, or supposed to sue linux users today, or a bunch of jerks |
| 05:29.47 | Violentnight | ~gpl |
| 05:29.48 | purl | it has been said that gpl is an awful and terrible license. you know stallman wants to do away with the LGPL entirely also |
| 05:29.51 | Wob | ooh. "rumour has it"... nice and political =) |
| 05:30.06 | Violentnight | hehe |
| 05:30.21 | Cairenn | ~wtf gpl |
| 05:30.34 | Wob | ~wtf sco |
| 05:30.42 | Violentnight | damn you purl! |
| 05:30.44 | Wob | Aw |
| 05:30.52 | Violentnight | ~wtf purl |
| 05:31.00 | Violentnight | ~purl |
| 05:31.02 | purl | purl is probably not a bot |
| 05:31.05 | Wob | ~wtf |
| 05:31.22 | Cairenn | purl, what are you |
| 05:31.24 | purl | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 05:31.34 | SP|Sorren | ~wtf blootbot |
| 05:31.41 | SP|Sorren | :< |
| 05:31.41 | Wob | purl, what is a blootbot? |
| 05:31.44 | purl | I think you lost me on that one, Wob |
| 05:31.47 | Tain | "How can I fake install CTRaid" that's a good one. |
| 05:31.48 | Wob | Alas |
| 05:31.56 | Cairenn | yeah, I liked that too, Tain |
| 05:32.02 | Violentnight | purl, what is blootbot? |
| 05:32.05 | purl | Violentnight: I think you lost me on that one |
| 05:32.07 | SP|Sorren | my ctraid is hard coded to return ready on ready checks! |
| 05:32.24 | Wob | hehe |
| 05:32.37 | Wob | orright, enough messing about |
| 05:32.45 | Wob | I have to get this damn sorting working before I go mad =P |
| 05:32.48 | Violentnight | purl, how can I "see" blootbot? |
| 05:33.09 | Tain | The sorting hat? |
| 05:33.15 | Tain | I think I was Hufflepuff. |
| 05:33.29 | Wob | ~emulate eliza |
| 05:33.34 | SP|Sorren | boo why are phase lashers so hard |
| 05:33.35 | Violentnight | I'm Mr. Snufflewufflgus |
| 05:34.54 | SP|Sorren | boo why did they hard link the mobs in dm east :( |
| 05:34.57 | Violentnight | Ya know.. some days, I can code all day long--ignoring food and sleep and bathing. And other days, when I really want to get some work done, I chat here in here and write a line of code every 30 minutes or so |
| 05:35.13 | SP|Sorren | feh, im doing that now |
| 05:35.21 | SP|Sorren | no shame in that! |
| 05:35.25 | AnduinLothar | code? I'm 'riding' |
| 05:35.30 | Violentnight | yes there is.. lol |
| 05:35.34 | AnduinLothar | raiding* |
| 05:35.39 | Violentnight | riding? riding what? |
| 05:35.46 | AnduinLothar | cept my guild sucks so it's more like throwing away money to repair |
| 05:35.49 | Cairenn | don't answer that, I don't want to know |
| 05:35.54 | Violentnight | lol |
| 05:36.09 | AnduinLothar | riding the wave! |
| 05:36.15 | Violentnight | you're no fun, Cairenn =P |
| 05:36.22 | Tain | I've had many a guild-raid to the equipment repairer. |
| 05:36.30 | Cairenn | heh, you've *no* idea, Violentnight |
| 05:36.56 | SP|Sorren | im trying to solo mobs in dm east for a libram of rapidity |
| 05:37.06 | SP|Sorren | so far ive accured 6.1g in repair bills, according to titan |
| 05:37.10 | SP|Sorren | from 3 deaths, lol |
| 05:37.12 | Violentnight | wait.. I'm confused... does that mean you're a ton of fun or less than not fun? |
| 05:37.14 | Tain | For some reason we always took the long way though, mucking around in Molten Core on our way to getting equipment repaired. |
| 05:37.43 | Wob | Make repairbots =) |
| 05:37.53 | Tain | mmm Crown Royal |
| 05:38.03 | SP|Sorren | i think repairbots charge like 2x the normal amount |
| 05:38.10 | Wob | They charge? =( |
| 05:38.12 | SP|Sorren | seriously ;O |
| 05:38.13 | Wob | That sucks |
| 05:38.14 | SP|Sorren | yah |
| 05:38.19 | SP|Sorren | after you spend 20g to make one |
| 05:38.23 | SP|Sorren | they charge you to repair |
| 05:38.23 | SP|Sorren | ;p |
| 05:38.24 | Wob | Where does the money go? =P |
| 05:38.28 | Cairenn | aren't I guys? |
| 05:38.38 | SP|Sorren | it mails it to the goblin via rocket or something, i dunno |
| 05:38.46 | Tain | ~hail Cairenn |
| 05:38.47 | purl | ACTION bows down to Cairenn and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 05:39.01 | Violentnight | ~hail me |
| 05:39.03 | purl | ACTION bows down to violentnight and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 05:39.06 | Violentnight | woohoo |
| 05:39.14 | Violentnight | top of the world, ma! |
| 05:39.16 | Cairenn | ~undead hand |
| 05:39.18 | Wob | Woo! a double 6! |
| 05:39.18 | Violentnight | lol |
| 05:39.38 | Cairenn | hey, who took out the undead hand? |
| 05:39.53 | Violentnight | what's the undead hand? |
| 05:39.55 | Violentnight | ~undeadhand |
| 05:39.59 | Violentnight | ~hand undead |
| 05:40.00 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Gryphen (n=masked@c-67-183-238-150.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 05:40.19 | Violentnight | ~weeeeeeeeeee |
| 05:40.26 | Tain | ~lart Violentnight |
| 05:40.46 | Violentnight | "There's nothing you and I won't do. I'll stop the world I left with you." |
| 05:40.54 | Violentnight | ..... pa-tooey! |
| 05:41.19 | Cairenn | ~rlart |
| 05:41.43 | Cairenn | ~lart |
| 05:41.54 | Violentnight | ~lart laksjdalksdj |
| 05:41.57 | Cairenn | purl: Desc: Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool |
| 05:41.58 | Cairenn | purl: Usage: lart [#chan] <who> |
| 05:42.00 | Cairenn | purl: Example: lart lenzo infobot's bugginess |
| 05:42.02 | Cairenn | purl: Example: lart #perl everyone perl \=\= lamerville |
| 05:42.15 | Violentnight | ~lart |
| 05:42.34 | Violentnight | ~rlart |
| 05:42.46 | Violentnight | woot! |
| 05:43.18 | Cairenn | rlart = random lart, ~lart = purl tells you what it means, ~lart <name> = purl doing something nasty to someone |
| 05:43.22 | Cairenn | randomly |
| 05:43.45 | Violentnight | I gathered that already, Cairenn ^_^ |
| 05:44.12 | SP|Sorren | curses! my roommate is downloading something huge and now i have 900+ ping in game :( |
| 05:44.15 | Cairenn | well, you never know, you're a programmer (to one degree or another) after all |
| 05:46.16 | Cairenn | coders frequently need things explained to them, in simple, short, easy to understand words |
| 05:46.27 | Violentnight | oooooh now I get it! |
| 05:46.32 | SP|Sorren | ./sigh, up to 8g in repairs now |
| 05:47.06 | SP|Sorren | hoi |
| 05:47.19 | Violentnight | all this time, I thought it was just 'cause I'm dense |
| 05:47.54 | Cairenn | hrm, guys, am I being too rough on the new guy? he's been in here more than once, though, so I figured he was fair game by now ... |
| 05:48.00 | Violentnight | still.. if you let me play around with something for a bit, I can pick it up fairly easily ^_^ |
| 05:50.17 | Wob | ... |
| 05:50.18 | Wob | ew |
| 05:50.37 | Wob | >.< |
| 05:51.03 | Wob | When I see the words "cup" and "boxing" in the same reference, I think support cup =P |
| 05:51.13 | Violentnight | that was the idea, Wob ^_^ |
| 05:51.31 | Wob | So.. why are you drinking from it? |
| 05:51.37 | Violentnight | it's like.. double-meaning |
| 05:51.45 | Violentnight | it could be as upport cup.. or a drinking cup.. you pick |
| 05:51.59 | Wob | waaay to subtle for me =P |
| 05:52.19 | Violentnight | I get that alot... still don't understand it |
| 05:53.02 | Violentnight | never considered myself to be a subtle person |
| 05:53.16 | Violentnight | in any event.. I think I KO'd Cairenn.. so yay for me! |
| 05:53.24 | Cairenn | naw |
| 05:53.32 | Violentnight | hey you.. stay down! |
| 05:53.58 | Cairenn | I was just asking a stupid question in a different channel |
| 05:54.04 | Violentnight | ew.. backwash |
| 05:54.44 | Violentnight | It's okay, Cairenn.. you can ask your questions here.. we all had to figure out where babies come from sooner or later ^_^ |
| 05:55.03 | Cairenn | rofl, again with the "you have no idea" |
| 05:55.25 | Cairenn | my daughter turns 18 this coming wednesday, I think I know where babies come from |
| 05:55.34 | Violentnight | lol nice |
| 05:55.54 | Cairenn | ugh |
| 05:56.03 | Violentnight | not nice? |
| 05:56.27 | Violentnight | well.. you are only as old as you feel |
| 05:56.28 | Cairenn | my baby is turning 18 ... gawd |
| 05:56.46 | Violentnight | so drink some sugar milk and chipper up! |
| 05:56.53 | Violentnight | mmmmm.. sugar milk |
| 05:57.03 | SP|Sorren | she can vote! |
| 05:57.17 | SP|Sorren | just in the time for the 2006 stuffs! |
| 05:57.21 | Cairenn | oh. she is SO mad about that |
| 05:57.28 | Wob | If she was in another country, she could drink! |
| 05:57.37 | Tain | Silly they don't vote in Canadia, it's a communist socialist dictatorship. |
| 05:57.42 | Violentnight | I turned 18 just in time to vote for the Gore/Bush election... boy was that ever a sad day in American history |
| 05:57.44 | Cairenn | she missed voting in our federal election by less than 2 weeks |
| 05:57.53 | SP|Sorren | ah :< |
| 05:57.59 | SP|Sorren | oh right you're in canada |
| 05:58.02 | Cairenn | yup |
| 05:58.06 | SP|Sorren | whats the drinking age in canada? |
| 05:58.08 | SP|Sorren | :P |
| 05:58.09 | Violentnight | gotta be 21 to drink in America |
| 05:58.13 | Cairenn | depends on the province |
| 05:58.30 | Tain | Drinking age? She has to be 18 or I won't even thinking about taking a sip. |
| 05:58.33 | Cairenn | Ontario is 19, Quebec is 18 ... where we live, Quebec is the other side of the river from us |
| 05:58.37 | Violentnight | you can smoke, vote, and get drafted into the army 18.. btu you still can't have a beer |
| 05:58.43 | Wob | Aha! |
| 05:58.48 | pagefault | yeah everyone in ottawa goes to quebec to get drunk |
| 05:58.56 | Cairenn | she can't legally buy cigs yet though, 19 for those |
| 05:59.04 | Cairenn | pf, yup, pop across to hull |
| 05:59.05 | Tain | I thought they did that to try to forget that they live in Ottawa. |
| 05:59.13 | Violentnight | lol |
| 05:59.23 | pagefault | I think it's cheaper too |
| 05:59.25 | Cairenn | I want to take her out clubbing next weekend, but she doesn't want to |
| 05:59.25 | pagefault | no lcbo |
| 05:59.37 | Violentnight | btw Tain, "communist socialist dictatorship" -- way too many big words. Don't do that! |
| 05:59.57 | Violentnight | my dad wanted to take me to nudey bars when I turned 18.. lol |
| 05:59.58 | Tain | A large-sounding vocabulary embiggens the common man! |
| 06:00.27 | Violentnight | yeah, but if ya don't use it right you'll sound like an idiot to the rest of the population ^_^ |
| 06:00.31 | Violentnight | --like my mom does |
| 06:01.12 | Cairenn | but, since she doesn't want to go clubbing, I'll just pour her one here at home, per usual |
| 06:01.24 | Tain | I'll drink to that. |
| 06:01.46 | Violentnight | you'd drink to breathing! |
| 06:02.03 | Tain | And sometimes to not-breathing. |
| 06:02.05 | Wob | except you can't do both at the same time |
| 06:02.06 | Tain | But only for short periods of time. |
| 06:02.36 | Tain | Ahh beer, the cause of and solution to all of life's problems. |
| 06:02.55 | Cairenn | bleh, no |
| 06:03.06 | Cairenn | beer sucks :p |
| 06:03.19 | Tain | Yeah I rarely drink beer, but I couldn't just change the quote. |
| 06:03.20 | SP|Sorren | im rather fond of it ;P |
| 06:03.40 | Violentnight | you could say alcohol instead of beer |
| 06:03.47 | Violentnight | and if that was a quote, you should quote it |
| 06:03.50 | Violentnight | and cite it! |
| 06:04.13 | Violentnight | "Ahh [alcohol], the cause of and solution to all of life's problems." --some dude |
| 06:04.54 | Tain | But that would be giving credit to someone else. |
| 06:05.03 | SP|Sorren | i loved the family guy episode, where they show ancient ireland b4 the discovery of alcohol |
| 06:05.08 | Cairenn | or we could just use the expression and not worry about it :p |
| 06:05.20 | SP|Sorren | and it was all utopian, and everything ;O |
| 06:05.27 | Cairenn | HAH! |
| 06:05.30 | Violentnight | http://www.illwillpress.com/drugs.html |
| 06:05.52 | Violentnight | lol yeah that was funny, Sorren |
| 06:05.57 | Violentnight | Family Guy is the best |
| 06:10.58 | Cairenn | oh, btw, thanks for the suggestions on the watches, guys ... found a really nice one, water proof to 100m (330-some feet), titanium, by seiko |
| 06:11.16 | Cairenn | for just under $300 |
| 06:11.38 | Violentnight | Are the 'Truth' commercials aired in Canada? |
| 06:12.08 | Cairenn | damn site better than the $990 for the Tag Haeur I had been looking at |
| 06:12.58 | Cairenn | I liked Tag Haeur before they became known by "popular culture" ... the price on them was a lot better then =/ |
| 06:13.12 | Violentnight | That's exactly how I feel about Legos |
| 06:13.16 | Cairenn | Violentnight: "truth"? |
| 06:13.51 | End | anti-smoking ad campaign I think |
| 06:14.00 | Cairenn | ah, those? yeah |
| 06:14.01 | Violentnight | yup |
| 06:14.24 | Cairenn | used to be, Tag Haeur was only known by serious divers |
| 06:14.31 | Violentnight | I love their latest one... "Big Tobacco" donated an estimate of 125,000 towards charity and then spent 24 million telling people that they did it |
| 06:14.43 | Tain | I like these watches though. (Not for diving.) http://www.talusfurniture.com/amusements/watch/index.html |
| 06:15.24 | Tain | One tells time as, "Nearly 1 thirty" |
| 06:15.27 | Tain | "A bit past 2" |
| 06:16.06 | Cairenn | oh those are fantastic Tain! |
| 06:16.12 | Violentnight | lol they're weird |
| 06:16.15 | Cairenn | I love the "nearly, a bit past, etc" |
| 06:17.02 | Tain | Watches for real life. :) |
| 06:17.10 | Violentnight | so when someone has 2 minutes to live and you tell 'em "oh, it's late of 1 fifteen" -- that's not quite helpful |
| 06:17.51 | Tain | If someone has 2 minutes to live they shouldn't focus on such minor details. |
| 06:17.57 | Violentnight | lol |
| 06:18.24 | Violentnight | They're a neat idea, but they'd drive me crazy |
| 06:18.34 | Cairenn | o.m.g. SO want one of those now! |
| 06:18.37 | Violentnight | I need to know that it's like 1:27:30 |
| 06:18.43 | End | how the hell are you so exact to say "you have two minutes to live"? are you about to kill them? |
| 06:18.52 | Violentnight | lmao @ End |
| 06:18.52 | Tain | I love both of them, Cairenn. :) |
| 06:19.30 | End | hmmm... the /topic needs to have a pun in it |
| 06:19.33 | Cairenn | god, where can you get those? that SO rocks! |
| 06:20.16 | Violentnight | good question |
| 06:21.11 | SP|Sorren | i need a watch that i dont have to look at |
| 06:21.14 | Violentnight | they'd probably get alot more business if the site mentioned that |
| 06:21.27 | SP|Sorren | im broken when it comes to wearing a watch, if im wearing one ill look at it every 2-3 minutes |
| 06:21.29 | Violentnight | SP|Sorren: Like one with a USB cable that plugs into your brain so you always know exactly what time it is? |
| 06:21.40 | SP|Sorren | yes, those |
| 06:21.52 | Violentnight | haha.. I do that too |
| 06:22.00 | Violentnight | I haven't worn a watch since like.. 2nd grade |
| 06:22.11 | SP|Sorren | the only time i wear a watch is when im on a tour |
| 06:22.14 | AnduinLothar | pocket watches are the way to go |
| 06:22.23 | SP|Sorren | so i know when to come back after they say "okay you have 20 minutes to go buy stuff!' |
| 06:22.23 | Violentnight | and my email has to be checked like every 5 minutes even though I only get a message once a week or so |
| 06:22.25 | AnduinLothar | or use ur cell |
| 06:22.38 | SP|Sorren | so glancing at it every 2-3 minutes has become ingrained when i wear it |
| 06:22.42 | Violentnight | yeah.. I use my cell when I'm out |
| 06:22.46 | Tain | Oh wow I just found these from another link where I saw those watches. http://www.projects-us.com/index.html |
| 06:24.54 | Violentnight | oh--the FAQ says teh watches aren't yet being manufactured |
| 06:25.11 | SP|Sorren | anyone here have any idea how to write a ventrillo overlay? :p |
| 06:25.27 | Wob | is there any way to set a key with a space in it for a table? like having 'Trade Goods' as a key? |
| 06:25.33 | Violentnight | sure it's simple.. start with the letter 'A' and take it from there: "a ventrillo overlay" |
| 06:25.53 | SP|Sorren | yah |
| 06:25.57 | SP|Sorren | you can have a key called "trade goods" |
| 06:25.59 | SP|Sorren | if you watned |
| 06:25.59 | Violentnight | Wob, object.key = object["key"] .. so do object["Trade Goods"] |
| 06:26.10 | SP|Sorren | but you wouldn't be able to access it w/ a . |
| 06:26.14 | SP|Sorren | you gotta do the long way ;p |
| 06:26.21 | Wob | heh, okies |
| 06:26.23 | Violentnight | Syntactic Sugar! |
| 06:26.25 | Wob | Thankee |
| 06:26.26 | Violentnight | ^ awesome phrase |
| 06:26.45 | Violentnight | wel..kee? |
| 06:28.06 | Cairenn | ~whaleslap Violentnight |
| 06:28.07 | purl | I'll just grab a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh and slap Violentnight over the head with it..... |
| 06:28.11 | SP|Sorren | do you prefer hotdogs or polish sausages? |
| 06:28.33 | SP|Sorren | i think the latter has more flavor and less junk in it |
| 06:28.44 | Violentnight | ouch |
| 06:28.45 | Tain | Definitely polish sausage. |
| 06:28.48 | SP|Sorren | ever since i watched a show on food network on how they made hotdogs i havne't eaten any |
| 06:28.49 | SP|Sorren | lol |
| 06:28.53 | Tain | I don't know if there's less junk, but definitely the flavor. |
| 06:28.54 | Violentnight | Do polish sausages mean the same thing as hot dog? |
| 06:29.01 | SP|Sorren | no |
| 06:29.03 | SP|Sorren | they're different |
| 06:29.14 | SP|Sorren | but they both can be put in a bun and layered with condiments. |
| 06:29.21 | SP|Sorren | costco sells both! |
| 06:29.24 | Violentnight | kay.. then I've never had a polish sausage--and the name makes me think of something that I would not want in my mouth |
| 06:29.46 | SP|Sorren | you people have dirty minds. |
| 06:29.48 | Tain | Don't bite your tongue, bite a sausage! |
| 06:29.58 | Violentnight | lol |
| 06:30.03 | Violentnight | people? it's not just me? |
| 06:30.16 | Violentnight | http://www.illwillpress.com/nuts.html <<<< best episode ever! |
| 06:30.17 | SP|Sorren | ;) |
| 06:30.29 | Violentnight | pidgey pidgey pidgey.. potato! |
| 06:31.02 | SP|Sorren | im not such a big fan of foamy |
| 06:31.25 | Violentnight | Foamy is my god.. and I've converted a half dozen people in his name |
| 06:32.29 | Violentnight | pill popper.. popopopopopoo boom! |
| 06:33.30 | Violentnight | stupid WoW keeps booting me even when I'm not doing anything! |
| 06:36.07 | Violentnight | function SomeFunc() myVar = {}; end --what's the scope of myVar? |
| 06:37.35 | SP|Sorren | global as far as i know |
| 06:38.34 | Violentnight | That's what I'm thinking too, but that seems wrong |
| 06:42.03 | SP|Sorren | its not global? |
| 06:43.04 | Violentnight | I dunno.. just thinking of other languages--if you define a variable inside a function, that variable isn't accessible outside of the function |
| 06:44.29 | SP|Sorren | its global in lua |
| 06:44.36 | SP|Sorren | unless you slap a local in front of it! |
| 06:44.39 | SP|Sorren | as far as i know |
| 06:44.41 | SP|Sorren | anyway |
| 06:44.48 | AnduinLothar | correct |
| 06:44.53 | AnduinLothar | default global |
| 06:45.05 | AnduinLothar | unless it's part of a for statement |
| 06:45.12 | AnduinLothar | or a func arg |
| 06:45.32 | AnduinLothar | or previously designated as a local : |
| 06:45.59 | Violentnight | so .. for i = 1, 10, do ... i is local to the for loop? |
| 06:46.16 | futrtrubl | yup |
| 06:46.41 | Violentnight | nice... I was getting mad that WoW kept yelling at me for saying .. for local i = 1, 10 do |
| 06:47.12 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 06:47.43 | futrtrubl | night all |
| 06:47.48 | Violentnight | g'night |
| 06:47.51 | Cairenn | night futrtrubl |
| 06:47.53 | SP|Sorren | nite |
| 06:47.53 | Cairenn | night all |
| 06:48.03 | Violentnight | g'night, Cairenn |
| 06:48.13 | Tain | Goodnight Cairenn |
| 06:48.17 | futr-sleep | night Cair |
| 06:49.11 | Violentnight | local children = { obj:GetChildren() }; for _,child in children do -- if there are no children, will it just skip the FOR block? |
| 06:49.21 | Violentnight | or should I run a check on the number of children first? |
| 07:09.29 | AnduinLothar | if a table is empy it will skip |
| 07:09.47 | AnduinLothar | dont think { obj:GetChildren() } works tho |
| 07:13.11 | Violentnight | it does (as far as I can tell)... it's how Iriel showed me how to iterate through children |
| 07:19.56 | Tem | Frame.GetChildren returns a table anyway |
| 07:20.18 | Tem | so you could do for _,child in Frame:GetChildren() do ... end |
| 07:20.53 | Tem | now if you aren't certain that that frame has children you will want to use a prebuilt empty table |
| 07:21.07 | Tem | so assume you have a local EMPTYTABLE = {} |
| 07:21.26 | Tem | for _,child in (Frame:GetChildren() or EMPTYTABLE) do ... end |
| 07:23.09 | Violentnight | for _,child in obj:GetChildren() do |
| 07:23.18 | Violentnight | reports "Invalid key for Next" |
| 07:24.20 | Violentnight | when obj = UIParent |
| 07:24.35 | AnduinLothar | don't add and remove from a table you're for looping |
| 07:25.23 | Violentnight | I still get the error when I don't have any code inside the FOR block |
| 07:26.18 | AnduinLothar | like i said. i dont think obj:GetChildren() does what you think it does |
| 07:26.48 | Violentnight | that's exactly what Iriel said--which is why he had me do children = { obj:GetChildren() } |
| 07:27.07 | Violentnight | in order to iterate through the child objects of a parent object |
| 07:27.21 | AnduinLothar | i don't think that works either, but i spose he would know |
| 07:27.46 | Violentnight | what do you use? |
| 07:28.34 | AnduinLothar | i haven't itterated them before, but if they return comma'd like that you can always make a sub function and ... -> arg table them |
| 07:28.50 | AnduinLothar | not sure if that's neccissary tho and cant test atm |
| 07:30.50 | Violentnight | meh.. well I'm pretty sure what Iriel said is working properly. Using it in a recursive function and pritning out the name of each object that it hits gives me more results than the chat frame can hold |
| 07:31.01 | Violentnight | I think Tem is just screwin with me |
| 07:31.37 | AnduinLothar | right. recursive would work |
| 07:31.58 | Tem | Recursion can be a bad idea here |
| 07:32.06 | Tem | you might blow the stack |
| 07:32.20 | AnduinLothar | true. i would still use my table idea |
| 07:32.34 | Tem | Violentnight, It's my understanding that frame:GetChildren() returns a table with the children |
| 07:32.35 | Violentnight | how else would I get teh children's children's children? |
| 07:32.51 | Tem | a for loop |
| 07:33.12 | Tem | it can be a slight pain to do it that way |
| 07:33.27 | Tem | but you avoid the risk of deeply nested tables |
| 07:33.37 | Tem | er, deeply nested frames |
| 07:34.17 | Violentnight | a for loop would iterate through an object's children.. not the children of the children of the object, et cetera |
| 07:34.33 | Violentnight | unless I nest the for loops X levels deep--which would mean I'd need to know how many levels deep teh frames are ahead of time |
| 07:34.42 | Tem | no |
| 07:34.56 | Tem | you create a "queue" |
| 07:35.07 | Tem | and add children to it as you encounter them |
| 07:35.21 | Violentnight | how would I encounter them? |
| 07:35.30 | End-sleep | Tem: it isn't a table that it returns (well technically it returns multiple tables, but that's not the point), it just returns the multiple children, thus the { frame:GetChildren() } |
| 07:35.53 | Tem | well I thought it was already wrapped in a table |
| 07:35.58 | AnduinLothar | i still dont think that syntax works in lua but w/e |
| 07:36.05 | AnduinLothar | no it's not |
| 07:36.06 | End-sleep | it isn't, I just checked :P |
| 07:36.09 | Violentnight | lol AnduinLothar |
| 07:36.10 | Tem | ah |
| 07:36.16 | AnduinLothar | is frame1, frame2, frame3 etc |
| 07:36.22 | Tem | AnduinLothar, you are wrong; that syntax works just fine |
| 07:36.36 | Tem | for _,child in {frame:GetChildren()} do ... end |
| 07:37.09 | Violentnight | yeah, that should work |
| 07:37.19 | AnduinLothar | ok i tried it for another func a while back and it wasn't working, perhaps i did somehting wrong |
| 07:37.24 | zeeg | hrmm what do you guys think of the idea of giving away a WoW: CE as first prize in a "Makeover WoW Guru" contest? (Site design) |
| 07:37.30 | Violentnight | still don't see how I'd get the children's children's children's... |
| 07:37.52 | Violentnight | World of Warcraft: Collector's Edition? |
| 07:37.55 | zeeg | ya |
| 07:38.01 | zeeg | its worth 500+ on ebay I believe |
| 07:38.01 | Tem | Violentnight, http://www.kergoth.com/mediawiki/index.php/Code/Lua/TableTraversal |
| 07:38.11 | Tem | zeeg, just gimme the soundtrack and I'll be happy |
| 07:38.16 | SP|Sorren | arg, traversals |
| 07:38.22 | Violentnight | I think I'd rather have the 500 bucks, since I already have the game ^_^ |
| 07:38.26 | SP|Sorren | i screwed up a tree traversal today on my comp sci midterm :< |
| 07:38.29 | AnduinLothar | i just ripped the music from the mpq |
| 07:38.41 | Tem | that's an excellent idea AnduinLothar |
| 07:38.56 | zeeg | CE also give syou the unique pet or w/e though |
| 07:38.58 | Tem | holy cow SP|Sorren, you guys are already at midterm? |
| 07:39.03 | fatbrain | AnduinLothar: What did you use to *extract* the music? |
| 07:39.07 | AnduinLothar | i have music cd's from starcraft, warcraft 2 and wc3 that i did that way too |
| 07:39.38 | AnduinLothar | mpq2k. but winmpq should work too |
| 07:39.47 | fatbrain | ok |
| 07:40.02 | Violentnight | 'night, end |
| 07:40.07 | fatbrain | I don't like those apps, worse GUI ever. |
| 07:40.07 | SP|Sorren | there are still CE editions out there? |
| 07:40.13 | SP|Sorren | i shoulda bought like 5, now that i think about it |
| 07:40.23 | AnduinLothar | limit was 1 at the time |
| 07:40.33 | zeeg | SP|Sorren, we have like 9 |
| 07:40.37 | Violentnight | zeeg: but it doesn't do anything--it's just a gimmick for people with small brains and big pockets ^_^ |
| 07:40.39 | SP|Sorren | feh |
| 07:40.42 | zeeg | and some other stuff, like a signed poster etc. i cant remember |
| 07:40.49 | zeeg | Violentnight, its nice to have though |
| 07:40.51 | SP|Sorren | i coulda gone to several places and picked them up |
| 07:40.58 | zeeg | idk ill talk it over w/ my boss, but i need a redesign and maybe that could help |
| 07:41.11 | AnduinLothar | i have my manual signed by various blizz peeps. no one too important tho |
| 07:41.25 | SP|Sorren | well would it cost more than $500 to redesign your site? |
| 07:41.28 | Violentnight | if you have an abundance of them, I'm sure there are some people that'd like one--but, personally, I hate CEs |
| 07:41.31 | SP|Sorren | if you hired someone? |
| 07:41.37 | zeeg | SP|Sorren, probably not |
| 07:41.41 | zeeg | probably 400 or less |
| 07:41.45 | Violentnight | though I could always auction it off then ^_^ |
| 07:41.45 | zeeg | (i wouldnt pay over 400) |
| 07:41.52 | SP|Sorren | then it seems like a loss to give away a CE edition |
| 07:41.59 | SP|Sorren | even though that's more in line with being a community site ;P |
| 07:42.10 | zeeg | SP|Sorren, ya and its a community site |
| 07:42.13 | zeeg | err |
| 07:42.15 | zeeg | i meant |
| 07:42.23 | zeeg | and it's more geared towards wow players than money |
| 07:42.23 | zeeg | lol |
| 07:42.30 | zeeg | i could give away a year of wow or some bullshit :P |
| 07:42.40 | SP|Sorren | a year of wow is considerably cheaper |
| 07:42.42 | SP|Sorren | like 150$ |
| 07:42.46 | zeeg | 360 |
| 07:42.46 | SP|Sorren | and goes w/ the community style |
| 07:42.48 | zeeg | oh |
| 07:42.48 | SP|Sorren | really? |
| 07:42.52 | zeeg | unless they have better packages |
| 07:42.56 | zeeg | i was just thinking 30 day gametime cards |
| 07:42.57 | zeeg | err |
| 07:42.58 | zeeg | nvm |
| 07:42.59 | SP|Sorren | i pay 77 for 6 mo |
| 07:43.00 | SP|Sorren | i think |
| 07:43.01 | zeeg | err 60 day |
| 07:43.02 | zeeg | god |
| 07:43.04 | zeeg | im tired leave me alone :( |
| 07:43.15 | zeeg | hrmm maybe i could do a CE for first prize |
| 07:43.18 | zeeg | and a year sub for runner up |
| 07:43.28 | SP|Sorren | shows dedication to community ;P |
| 07:43.38 | SP|Sorren | but what are they going to do w/ a CE edition? |
| 07:43.42 | SP|Sorren | ]sell it on ebay? :P |
| 07:43.43 | AnduinLothar | sell it |
| 07:43.45 | zeeg | *shrugs* |
| 07:43.52 | zeeg | sell it, collect it, who knows |
| 07:43.52 | zeeg | :D |
| 07:43.53 | SP|Sorren | everyone who goes to your site generally has a copy of WoW ;P |
| 07:44.13 | AnduinLothar | i've never actually used my wow cd's |
| 07:44.17 | zeeg | can you think of anything better as a prize? |
| 07:44.29 | zeeg | im not gonna give out $500 in cash :) |
| 07:44.31 | Violentnight | money ^_^ |
| 07:44.50 | Violentnight | what site is this? |
| 07:44.54 | zeeg | wowguru |
| 07:45.01 | SP|Sorren | AnduinLothar: do you have the beta client? |
| 07:45.24 | SP|Sorren | install, at least? :p |
| 07:45.29 | AnduinLothar | mmm not any more i dont think. i upgraded from stress test |
| 07:45.54 | SP|Sorren | ah |
| 07:46.01 | SP|Sorren | wow you've never had to reinstall or anything? |
| 07:46.12 | AnduinLothar | no, i have a mac |
| 07:46.26 | SP|Sorren | wow LGBT issues seem to be real hot right now on the forums, even slashdot's picked it up(again) |
| 07:46.51 | AnduinLothar | i made a copy to my ipod tho. it's deleted atm tho |
| 07:46.59 | SP|Sorren | lol 8) |
| 07:47.18 | AnduinLothar | used to play it at my parents house over firewire from my ipod hd |
| 07:47.52 | SP|Sorren | wow :P |
| 07:48.17 | AnduinLothar | but i only have a 10gig and im an audiophile... needed my music more |
| 07:48.51 | Violentnight | Tem: I'm not understanding much of this example ^_^ hehe |
| 07:49.15 | Tem | I don't remember it being a particularly easy one to follow |
| 07:49.26 | Tem | but it's the only one I've got |
| 07:49.39 | Tem | and I'm far too tired to write one; I'd screw it up |
| 07:50.09 | Tem | but the basic idea is that you have a queue of tables to iterate through |
| 07:50.09 | Violentnight | hehe |
| 07:50.25 | Tem | and initially it just has your toplevel table |
| 07:50.43 | Tem | as you iterate and find sub-tables, you add them to the queue |
| 07:51.08 | Tem | for table traversal you would need to be careful of cycles, but in your case that's not possible |
| 07:51.45 | Tem | so add the children to the queue as you are iterating through them |
| 07:52.15 | Violentnight | hrmm.. makes a little sense |
| 07:52.17 | Tem | let me see if I can write something simple |
| 07:52.22 | Violentnight | I gotta read up on table methods |
| 07:52.26 | Tem | but if I screw up you'll have to bother me tomorrow |
| 07:52.36 | Violentnight | hehe.. fair enough |
| 07:53.18 | Violentnight | zeeg: you still around? What about giving tickets away to a gamer convention or something like that? |
| 07:54.47 | SP|Sorren | you should give away tickets to the next blizzcon |
| 07:54.54 | SP|Sorren | i'd try to throw up a site design for that :P |
| 07:55.16 | SP|Sorren | granted, it wouldnt win, but i'd try anyway :) |
| 07:55.44 | Violentnight | yeah.. Blizzcon or that other big one.. I forget when they are though. If they just passed, it might not be that good of an idea |
| 07:56.03 | zeeg | hrm |
| 07:56.06 | zeeg | e3? |
| 07:56.10 | zeeg | e3 is media only |
| 07:56.15 | zeeg | blizzcon ya, but it's already passed |
| 07:56.35 | Violentnight | Get 'em media passes ^_^ |
| 07:56.40 | Tem | http://wow.pastebin.com/538140 |
| 07:56.53 | SP|Sorren | i hope someday to attend e3 on a developer pass :O |
| 07:57.04 | zeeg | Violentnight, that'd get them and me kicked out :) |
| 07:57.25 | Violentnight | developer pass? maybe that's how my school gets there... I'm pretty sure E3 is what they always refer to the "big party" event |
| 07:57.32 | Violentnight | and then there's another where people actually discuss important stuff |
| 07:58.00 | zeeg | gdc or w/e |
| 07:58.20 | zeeg | game developers conference |
| 07:58.54 | Tem | Violentnight: http://wow.pastebin.com/538140 |
| 07:59.02 | Violentnight | yeah that! |
| 07:59.14 | Tem | whoops |
| 07:59.16 | zeeg | E3 is supposed to be media only, which doesn't include developers |
| 07:59.19 | Tem | I messed up |
| 07:59.26 | zeeg | not saying it stays that way |
| 07:59.29 | Violentnight | make up your minds! |
| 07:59.30 | zeeg | but thats what its supposed to be |
| 07:59.36 | SP|Sorren | developers go to show stuff to the media |
| 07:59.40 | Tem | http://wow.pastebin.com/538143 |
| 07:59.46 | zeeg | SP|Sorren, only a few |
| 07:59.49 | SP|Sorren | i know ;o |
| 07:59.52 | zeeg | but those are with the exhibitors |
| 08:00.11 | SP|Sorren | im pretty sure they're allowed to wander around when they're not busy selling their tech ;o |
| 08:00.16 | SP|Sorren | or fixing their tech |
| 08:00.30 | zeeg | that's not what im saying |
| 08:00.43 | zeeg | you'd have to be part of an exhibit or w/e to get in like that |
| 08:00.43 | zeeg | :p |
| 08:00.44 | Violentnight | thanks, Tem... much simpler.. I'll see if I can get it working and bug ya tomorrow when I inevitably can't get it to do what I want |
| 08:00.47 | zeeg | otherwise you gotta be media |
| 08:00.55 | SP|Sorren | i know, i hope to have my own exhibit someday. |
| 08:00.59 | Tem | Violentnight: hehe, sure |
| 08:01.01 | SP|Sorren | in the far flung future ;P |
| 08:01.09 | SP|Sorren | of dreamworld ;) |
| 08:01.43 | Violentnight | hehe... well is there something else like E3 that's for the public? |
| 08:02.16 | Violentnight | I'm horrible with details, but I know my teachers describe it as a party and recommend that, once you get in, you lean against a wall and wait a couple minutes while all the flashing lights and loud music soak into your head |
| 08:02.20 | zeeg | nope |
| 08:02.27 | zeeg | there's gencon but that's not games |
| 08:02.35 | Violentnight | And they say GDC is more important, but to attend it at least once so you know what it's like |
| 08:02.39 | zeeg | e3 is a very big thing |
| 08:02.45 | zeeg | but its geared at media and yhou're supposed to be media if you go |
| 08:03.34 | Violentnight | Yeah... I'm 95% sure it's E3 that they're talking about. We are a gaming college--maybe they make an exception for us or something |
| 08:03.54 | zeeg | nope :P |
| 08:04.07 | Violentnight | I don't have much interest in it so I never sought out any details |
| 08:04.14 | zeeg | itll be fun, this year will be my first |
| 08:04.22 | zeeg | but i think you have to have some kind of media credentials to get in |
| 08:04.35 | Violentnight | when is it? |
| 08:05.03 | zeeg | may |
| 08:05.17 | Tain | GDC is now more of what E3 used to be. |
| 08:05.47 | Tain | At least as far as real information instead of just big walking commercials. |
| 08:06.29 | Violentnight | lol yeah |
| 08:06.39 | Tain | But GDC isn't about what's coming, it's more about what's current. |
| 08:07.09 | Violentnight | GDC is the place to go to get business connections and get your name out there |
| 08:07.19 | Violentnight | and E3 is the party |
| 08:07.41 | Tain | Of course the GDC after-hours parties aren't all that bad. ;) |
| 08:07.47 | Violentnight | hehe |
| 08:08.10 | zeeg | Does GDC even allow media? |
| 08:08.11 | Violentnight | E3 is in our school's calendar, but there isn't any info yet about attending--I'll have to ask someone about it next week, if I can remember that long |
| 08:08.15 | Tain | Friday night booth-crawl with free beer in giant Playstation cups. Mmmmm mmm good. |
| 08:08.54 | zeeg | Tain, you've beento GDC? |
| 08:09.05 | Tain | Yes I have. |
| 08:09.15 | zeeg | Is it open or something? |
| 08:09.16 | Violentnight | According to the E3 FAQ ( http://www.e3expo.com/attendees/faq.aspx ), you just have to be in the industry to attend. |
| 08:09.18 | zeeg | i thought it was devs only |
| 08:09.23 | zespri|log | why, oh why arrow keys all of sadden top turning camera and start turning my toon only??? this happens quite freqently and during a fight especcialy in an instance it's just sooooo frustrating. And I don't know how to fix it without relogon... |
| 08:09.26 | Tain | GDC isn't open, no. |
| 08:09.29 | zeeg | hrm maybe i was wrong Violentnight |
| 08:09.33 | zeeg | Tain, what is it you do exactly? |
| 08:09.43 | zeeg | Violentnight, i thought you had to be media,, guess you're right |
| 08:09.49 | zeeg | ah, im thinking of the passes |
| 08:09.58 | zeeg | media get in free |
| 08:10.01 | zeeg | :P |
| 08:10.05 | Violentnight | ooh.. well that's special too :-P |
| 08:10.05 | Wob | declaring an empty two dimensional array is MyArr = {{}} ? |
| 08:10.14 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 08:10.27 | Tain | I still get GDC info every year, but I haven't been able to get back there since I moved back to the east coast. :( |
| 08:10.29 | Violentnight | .. really? |
| 08:10.33 | AnduinLothar | {1={}} |
| 08:10.34 | Violentnight | {{}} doesn't look right |
| 08:10.38 | AnduinLothar | is the same thing |
| 08:10.38 | zeeg | Tain, what'd you go for? |
| 08:10.42 | Violentnight | ah |
| 08:10.45 | zeeg | like, what do/did you do |
| 08:10.51 | Wob | hrm... okay |
| 08:11.06 | Tain | I was an editor at the time. |
| 08:11.11 | Tem | you can't easily declare a 2d table like you are thinking |
| 08:11.24 | Tem | you would have to loop through it and it would be ugly |
| 08:11.39 | Violentnight | zespri|log: no idea.. I have a similar problem--my toon will start spinning in circles without me touching anything. But if I hold down both mouse buttons, he walks forward and stops |
| 08:11.43 | zeeg | an editor as in journalist? |
| 08:11.57 | Wob | Aw |
| 08:12.03 | zeeg | hrm i could go to GDC, its in March |
| 08:12.07 | zespri|log | Violentnight, did you find a way to stop this, when it happens? |
| 08:12.16 | Wob | I've put it so if it doesn't have the first element, it'll set it up with an empty table in that element |
| 08:12.18 | zeeg | but it seems like a waste fo money for me |
| 08:12.20 | Tain | Yes, I was reporting on it. |
| 08:12.21 | Violentnight | .. I hold down both mouse buttons, he walks forward and stops |
| 08:12.29 | AnduinLothar | heh. buffbot blows up if you're targetting a non combat pet of a person in your party |
| 08:12.34 | zeeg | so GDC is for media? |
| 08:12.39 | Wob | ie if (not womble[x]) then womble[x] = {} |
| 08:12.41 | Wob | end |
| 08:12.50 | Violentnight | Wob, yup |
| 08:12.50 | zeeg | doesnt reallyh seem like it would be all that.. idk worthwhile for what they do |
| 08:12.56 | Tem | haha! |
| 08:13.03 | Tain | GDC is not for the media. |
| 08:13.16 | Tem | Violentnight: be carefull with the traversal I just did.. |
| 08:13.20 | zespri|log | oh. it's a bit different from what I have. Mine spins only when i press arrow keys. if I walk it doesn't change anything, when I use arrow keys again instead turning camera it just spins the toon =( |
| 08:13.29 | Violentnight | yeah.. 'cause the media's coverage of the gaming world is hateful! .. Them bastards |
| 08:13.38 | Tem | I converted it over to normal tables for the hell of it and even if you create a cyle, it never blows the stack |
| 08:13.41 | Tem | it just loops forever |
| 08:13.47 | Tem | blocking code ftw! |
| 08:13.48 | zeeg | Tain, you just said you went as a journalist, that is media. |
| 08:14.09 | Tain | It's pretty simple to see whether it's "worth it" to you or not, the conference highlights are listed right on the GDC main page. |
| 08:14.11 | Violentnight | zespri|log: Weird.. I've never used the arrow keys to spin the camera--in the rare event that I want to look around, I hold down the left mouse button and use that |
| 08:14.11 | Tem | anyway, I'm out |
| 08:14.14 | Tem | later guys |
| 08:14.23 | Tain | See ya Tem. |
| 08:14.34 | Violentnight | ftw? |
| 08:14.38 | zeeg | Tain, you went as an editor, and the conference is for devs, but not media.. doesn't make a lot of sense IMO |
| 08:14.57 | Violentnight | what's ftw? |
| 08:15.02 | Violentnight | Why'd Tem just give me an infinite loop and leave? lol |
| 08:15.19 | Tain | That's ok zeeg, that's why you don't understand what I was there for. |
| 08:15.40 | zespri|log | Violentnight, arrow case for me is the primary device when I walk my char... I always move in the game world by using arrow keys |
| 08:15.58 | zeeg | You told me you were there as a journalist, an editor, but an editor doesnt usually write (as far as I know), and is also media related. Doesn't make a lot of sense |
| 08:16.33 | Violentnight | Make a post about it on the WoW forums, zespri|log--maybe someone else has had the problem and can help you more.. or a dev can look into it. |
| 08:17.10 | Violentnight | zeeg, I'm just as confused as you... maybe it's one of those situations where he'd have to kill you if he told you, so he's trying to confuse you instead ^_^ |
| 08:17.13 | Tain | Well see, sometimes the media reports on things that aren't actually directed solely at the media. |
| 08:17.31 | Tain | Actually now that I think about it, that's generally what the media does. |
| 08:17.34 | zeeg | then media go to it, therefore it'd be a media even |
| 08:17.42 | zeeg | *event |
| 08:17.47 | zeeg | just like E3... |
| 08:18.02 | zespri|log | I'm just wondering, if I was to bind a key on purpose - to spin a toon without moving camera, how would I do so? It may be some kind of addon going nuts, but to look for it I need to understand how this is possible in principle |
| 08:18.33 | Tain | Just because someone goes to an event does not make it an event directed at them. |
| 08:18.53 | zeeg | why would they allow media into the event if it was not geared for media coverage |
| 08:19.08 | Tain | Because that's what the media does. |
| 08:19.11 | zeeg | Most of the time, when something's public, it's because they want PR |
| 08:19.22 | Tain | Or it's.. you know, real life. |
| 08:19.24 | zeeg | Tain, ok so you said you were a developer and they let you in? |
| 08:19.51 | Tain | I'm pretty sure people aren't over in Iraq reporting on what's going on because the middle-east is lookign for PR. |
| 08:20.11 | zeeg | no but a conference isnt public, unless they make it that way |
| 08:20.15 | zeeg | so its up to them if they let you in |
| 08:20.25 | zeeg | and if they let media in, it would then lead you to assume it's geared for media coverage |
| 08:20.27 | Tain | It wasn't a puglic event. |
| 08:20.33 | Tain | Or public, eitiher. |
| 08:20.35 | zeeg | It looks pretty public to me |
| 08:20.39 | zeeg | and sounds like it from what you say |
| 08:20.50 | zeeg | And on their passes page it seems I could easily buy a pass and go |
| 08:20.54 | Tain | Truly you have a dizzying way of... interpreting things. |
| 08:20.56 | zeeg | they have an expo.. seems like a more technical E3 |
| 08:21.20 | Violentnight | maybe he attended as a normal person and not as a journalist..? |
| 08:21.27 | zeeg | Violentnight, he said he went as an editor |
| 08:21.40 | zeeg | what's the expo consist of Tain? |
| 08:21.45 | Violentnight | zespri|log: dunno.. I've never done that stuff |
| 08:21.50 | zeeg | me either |
| 08:21.55 | zeeg | I was going to go to Blizzcon but had other plans |
| 08:21.58 | zeeg | E3 will be my first |
| 08:22.02 | Tain | I guess us simple minded folks just don't complicate things so much. |
| 08:22.20 | zeeg | Tain, it honestly seems like you're purposely trying to complicate things vs explaining.. |
| 08:22.52 | Tain | It's a pretty simple concept. |
| 08:22.55 | Tain | Something happens. |
| 08:23.00 | Tain | Someone reports on it. |
| 08:23.05 | zeeg | so it's a media event |
| 08:23.11 | zeeg | just like e3 |
| 08:23.14 | zeeg | but more technical |
| 08:23.17 | zeeg | is there something im missing? |
| 08:23.36 | Tain | Yeah. |
| 08:24.00 | Violentnight | Press are allowed to attend, but it's not geared towards press. |
| 08:24.10 | Violentnight | It's geared towards developers |
| 08:24.15 | Tain | I'll just chalk it up to you misusing the term, "media event" and be done with it. |
| 08:24.32 | zeeg | Violentnight, I would assume that anything public is made that way in order to attract PR |
| 08:25.12 | zeeg | actually reading their stuff |
| 08:25.12 | Violentnight | Pretty much.. if they didn't allow press, people might start thinking that there some sort of anti-government conspiracy going on. |
| 08:25.16 | zeeg | seems like this is like a geeks party :p |
| 08:25.23 | Violentnight | now you're getting it! |
| 08:25.24 | zeeg | Violentnight, i would assume they'd simple invite people |
| 08:25.25 | zeeg | but idk |
| 08:25.32 | zeeg | *simply |
| 08:26.09 | Violentnight | Pretty much anyone with enough money can attend ($1625 for a VIP pass) |
| 08:26.42 | zeeg | 175 for expo pass |
| 08:27.43 | Violentnight | yup |
| 08:28.00 | Violentnight | I'm headin to bed.. 'night all |
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| 08:28.16 | Ktron | hey everyone, need some quick help for a friend |
| 08:28.22 | zeeg | caio |
| 08:28.38 | Ktron | I want to tell him how to write something along the lines of |
| 08:29.45 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/gallery/files/druidtrainteregif-id1147/ |
| 08:29.45 | zeeg | hah |
| 08:29.47 | Ktron | well, anyone know the LUA, macro, or flexbar command to equip a weapon offhand |
| 08:33.12 | Ktron | Anyone at all? |
| 08:40.27 | Wob | EquipCursorItem(16)? |
| 08:41.43 | Wob | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_EquipCursorItem |
| 08:42.00 | Wob | er 17 |
| 08:43.48 | AnduinLothar | WOOT! Just got myself a [Halberd of Smiting] ! |
| 08:44.07 | AnduinLothar | Doomsaw on steriods |
| 08:49.31 | zeeg | unbelievable... |
| 08:49.33 | zeeg | www.mapwow.com |
| 08:49.44 | zeeg | we have something very similar that's been in the works.. forever |
| 08:49.48 | zeeg | but doesnt use google api |
| 08:49.50 | AnduinLothar | lol ya |
| 08:50.08 | AnduinLothar | weren |
| 08:50.13 | AnduinLothar | t fast enough |
| 08:50.34 | zeeg | didnt have enough time is more like it :( |
| 08:50.39 | zeeg | its actually done minus the map points |
| 08:50.43 | zeeg | been that way for probably 6 months |
| 08:50.57 | zeeg | we were trying to come up w/ some kind of world coordinates system |
| 08:51.18 | zeeg | thats a bit slow though |
| 08:51.42 | fatbrain | A global coordinate system? |
| 08:51.49 | zeeg | right |
| 08:52.15 | fatbrain | what's so problematic about it? |
| 08:52.26 | zeeg | a) i dont know lua |
| 08:52.27 | zeeg | :P |
| 08:52.33 | zeeg | b) i dont know how you'd go about making on |
| 08:52.34 | zeeg | *one |
| 08:52.55 | fatbrain | heh, ya, that's two big problems. |
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| 09:40.22 | Codayus | hmm, wiped at 3% on Thekal |
| 09:42.02 | SP|Sorren | :< |
| 09:46.08 | SP|Sorren | anyone know the name of the frame that contains overhead damage that you do to your target is called? |
| 09:58.30 | pagefault | hmm |
| 09:58.38 | pagefault | anyone know where there are no doomguards to be found in the blasted lands |
| 09:58.47 | pagefault | I am supposed to farm them for a spell |
| 09:59.24 | pagefault | ah nm |
| 10:04.38 | SP|Sorren | you find them alrite? |
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| 11:03.23 | Shouryuu | rawr |
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| 11:35.37 | Shouryuu | harlo |
| 11:50.13 | AnduinLothar | You crit Ice Thistle Patriarch for 631. |
| 11:50.13 | AnduinLothar | Your Seal of Command crits Ice Thistle Patriarch for 852 Holy Damage. |
| 11:50.13 | AnduinLothar | Your Decapitate crits Ice Thistle Patriarch for 1380. |
| 12:01.09 | Elkano | fake... palas don't inflict damage... ;) |
| 12:02.10 | AnduinLothar | palies with [Halberd of Smiting] do |
| 12:02.34 | Wob | hehe my favourite pally tanks with a mining pick |
| 12:05.14 | Shouryuu | I think the priest forum has the longest thread ever |
| 12:05.24 | Shouryuu | 156 pages of You will melt faces in PvP |
| 12:08.32 | Wob | lol pally |
| 12:08.43 | Wob | Does LUA have xor? |
| 12:09.07 | Shouryuu | xor? |
| 12:09.15 | Wob | exclusive or |
| 12:09.15 | AnduinLothar | not afaik |
| 12:09.48 | Wob | A or B but not A and B or not A and not B |
| 12:09.56 | Wob | (whee =P) |
| 12:10.12 | Wob | still not quite right =P |
| 12:10.14 | Wob | oh well |
| 12:10.23 | Shouryuu | one or the other |
| 12:10.29 | AnduinLothar | but not both |
| 12:10.32 | Wob | yeah =) |
| 12:10.33 | Shouryuu | ok |
| 12:11.34 | AnduinLothar | just do ((a and not b) or (b and not a)) |
| 12:13.01 | Shouryuu | do tables in Lua basicly work like sets in maths? |
| 12:13.09 | Wob | no |
| 12:13.14 | Shouryuu | ok |
| 12:13.15 | Wob | But you can program them to |
| 12:13.19 | Wob | using metatables |
| 12:13.23 | Shouryuu | eeeeeeekkkk |
| 12:13.27 | Shouryuu | don't scare me like that |
| 12:13.31 | Wob | In fact the examples given in PiL show you how to do it =) |
| 12:13.51 | Shouryuu | tables scare me to hell, metatables are just... meh |
| 12:22.05 | Elkano | anyone knows how to use SetItemRef? I keep getting 'attemped to call a nil value' :/ |
| 12:24.49 | Wob | I have no problems using /script to call it... |
| 12:38.37 | Elkano | calling SetItemRef("item:x:0:0:0") should result in an item reference showing, shouldn't it? |
| 12:42.00 | Elkano | or what would be the right syntax? |
| 12:59.22 | Wob | /script SetItemRef('item:3577:0:0:276308480') works fine |
| 12:59.51 | Elkano | :/ clicking a chatlink is working, using /script SetItemRef("17182:0:0:0"); doesn't :/ |
| 13:00.06 | Wob | item:17182 etc |
| 13:01.40 | Elkano | only misspelled it here... prefixed the item:-part |
| 13:02.40 | Wob | sulfuras |
| 13:02.44 | Wob | works for me |
| 13:14.28 | Elkano | strange :/ |
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| 13:26.11 | Wob | Lua doesn't have a modulus operator, does it? |
| 13:27.23 | futr-sleep | what do you mean my modulus? Asking because I know of 2 seperate operations that can be called modulus |
| 13:27.35 | Wob | er. modulo |
| 13:27.38 | futr-sleep | math.mod and math.abs |
| 13:27.38 | Wob | % |
| 13:27.50 | Wob | the former, I'd imagine =) |
| 13:28.40 | futr-sleep | math.mod is the remainder after division, math.abs is |val| or an always positive value |
| 13:36.24 | Wob | yarg |
| 13:36.26 | Wob | how is it used? |
| 13:36.45 | Wob | as an expression? |
| 13:38.45 | Wob | nm, got it =P |
| 13:42.05 | Elkano | hmm... my problem seems to be somehow addon related :/ |
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| 13:51.29 | Wob | Where could I get a list of itemtypes and subtypes? |
| 13:57.09 | Elkano | ok, fixed my problem... player link menu is the evil addon that broke it :/ and I shouldn't use shift-click to call SetItemRef ^^' |
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| 14:33.33 | Shouryuu | god damn |
| 14:33.42 | Shouryuu | god relly wants me to go crzy |
| 14:33.45 | Shouryuu | *really |
| 14:34.43 | Shouryuu | all my MSN contcts have disapearred |
| 14:35.31 | Shouryuu | and my a key is fucked up |
| 14:42.29 | Shouryuu | anyone here know abandongames.com? |
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| 14:51.58 | Wob | usually used the-underdogs.com |
| 14:53.33 | Shouryuu | thanks :P |
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| 15:07.51 | Shouryuu | anyone know where I could find some dreamcast roms? |
| 15:08.13 | id` | play wow |
| 15:08.50 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 15:10.03 | id` | calories -> me |
| 15:10.28 | id` | salt -> me |
| 15:10.34 | id` | whatnot -> me |
| 15:10.45 | id` | but i dont care |
| 15:10.47 | id` | :-) |
| 15:10.50 | id` | ¯\(º_o)/¯ |
| 15:11.00 | [MoonWolf] | O.o |
| 15:11.16 | id` | wat? ze zijn echt lekker |
| 15:11.50 | id` | verbrand ik toch wel weer met kickboxen |
| 15:12.33 | id` | die six-pack begint al door te komen :-O |
| 15:13.08 | Shouryuu | jah |
| 15:13.13 | Shouryuu | six-pack gud |
| 15:13.52 | [MoonWolf] | Shouryuu, do you have any idea what he said ? |
| 15:14.38 | id` | 'wat?', 'kickboxen', 'six-pack' |
| 15:14.39 | [MoonWolf] | id`, als je minder chips at had je er nu al een kunnen hebben |
| 15:14.41 | id` | he should |
| 15:15.17 | *** part/#wowi-lounge AMD900 (i=sokolsg@sokol.kharkov.com) |
| 15:15.30 | Shouryuu | I have no idea |
| 15:15.33 | id` | [MoonWolf]: < id`> but i dont care |
| 15:17.23 | [MoonWolf] | kk |
| 15:18.28 | id` | in wow can i use colors in my text? |
| 15:18.52 | futr-sleep | your own or other peoples? |
| 15:18.57 | id` | others |
| 15:19.52 | futr-sleep | don't think so |
| 15:21.16 | id` | k |
| 15:21.34 | id` | good |
| 15:21.35 | id` | :p |
| 15:21.52 | id` | else my idChat will make all chats color paradise |
| 15:21.58 | id` | like MIRK did to IRC |
| 15:22.11 | id` | (yes i know its part of the RFC) |
| 15:22.54 | [MoonWolf] | people should stop calling mirc colours mirc colours kthnxbuye |
| 15:25.09 | Shouryuu | yeah is there a way to associate a colour to someone on MIRC? |
| 15:26.55 | id` | hell yeh |
| 15:27.19 | [MoonWolf] | to late |
| 15:27.48 | id` | because mirc scripts, often referred to as 'mirc clients' (STRANGLE) totally pimp out yo clientz0r y0! |
| 15:27.56 | id` | :@ |
| 15:28.26 | id` | i need to gain points in my anger management skill |
| 15:28.30 | id` | :p |
| 15:28.57 | [MoonWolf] | "are you using mirc, what script ?" <- hate that. |
| 15:29.29 | id` | http://pastebin.com/538568 |
| 15:30.16 | [MoonWolf] | oh btw id` does idchat hide the little balloon button ? |
| 15:33.46 | Elkano | is there an addon that writes error messages into a file? I'm getting the error sound when logging out :/ |
| 15:35.22 | [MoonWolf] | try either improved error frame or bugsack |
| 15:37.31 | id` | yes moon |
| 15:37.37 | [MoonWolf] | good! |
| 15:37.45 | id` | all buttons on the chat frame |
| 15:38.09 | id` | Elkano: you cant frite into anything else then a savedvar |
| 15:38.26 | id` | you'd have to make an addon names zzzzADDON and make that collect errors into a SV file |
| 15:38.33 | id` | ot be sure its the last one to unload |
| 15:38.44 | id` | (if wow even does that alphabetically) |
| 15:39.45 | id` | moon, i dont know if its possible but im going to fiddle with it a bit after i get this idChat update finished |
| 15:40.03 | id` | try making a little addon that adds some abbrevitions to idChat |
| 15:40.18 | id` | that removes the chat channel names and makes them differently |
| 15:40.28 | [MoonWolf] | it is possible |
| 15:40.41 | id` | yes but maybe not with what i hooked in idChat |
| 15:40.42 | [MoonWolf] | there is something out there that renames guild to G raid to R and stuff |
| 15:40.54 | id` | yes i wanna make that :-) |
| 15:41.44 | [MoonWolf] | while you are at it, put seconds back in the time. |
| 15:43.06 | id` | did |
| 15:43.14 | [MoonWolf] | YAY |
| 15:43.16 | id` | ;) |
| 15:43.23 | [MoonWolf] | I need it for my chat log |
| 15:43.28 | [MoonWolf] | combat rather |
| 15:43.29 | id` | ic |
| 15:46.43 | id` | where i ace do i look for AceAddon:new() ? |
| 15:46.48 | id` | oh i just said it |
| 15:46.49 | id` | ke ke |
| 15:47.27 | [MoonWolf] | ??? |
| 15:47.44 | id` | i want to know about all these things like name and version |
| 15:47.53 | id` | that ace use in /ace list |
| 15:48.00 | id` | so i can make a template addon file |
| 15:48.35 | id` | FooAddonAce |
| 15:48.36 | id` | :p |
| 15:49.33 | [MoonWolf] | https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/Ace/trac.cgi/browser/trunk/FooAddon |
| 15:49.42 | [MoonWolf] | FooAddon by kergoth |
| 16:07.09 | id` | i knz |
| 16:07.11 | id` | know |
| 16:10.31 | id` | Komt een man bij de slager; 'Een pond leverworst graag'. Zegt de slager; 'Wil je hem in stukkies?' waarop de man zegt; 'Zeg, me reet is geen sjoelbak' |
| 16:10.38 | id` | pum dum tss |
| 16:10.41 | id` | </dutch> |
| 16:13.18 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 16:13.45 | [MoonWolf] | dat is best wel erg. |
| 16:14.18 | id` | ^______________^ |
| 16:14.24 | id` | hele oude amsterdamse mop |
| 16:14.25 | id` | ;p |
| 16:14.53 | [MoonWolf] | <-- woont niet in amsterdam |
| 16:15.06 | id` | <-- wel |
| 16:15.15 | id` | http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/4373/untitled4yd1.png |
| 16:15.21 | id` | say hello to my sexy editor |
| 16:16.26 | [MoonWolf] | It looks nice, but GVIM is not my thing |
| 16:16.53 | id` | I'm waiting for microsoft's new console language thing |
| 16:17.01 | id` | nicer terminals will spawn |
| 16:17.07 | id` | (best now is putty....) |
| 16:17.17 | id` | ill dump gvim and start using vim |
| 16:17.30 | id` | although gvim lets me change fonts really easy |
| 16:17.50 | id` | :set guifont=Sheldon\ Narrow:h9 |
| 16:17.51 | id` | ;0 |
| 16:17.53 | [MoonWolf] | why would you want a console editor ? |
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| 16:39.28 | futr-sleep | is there a getlocal() type function? |
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| 16:52.59 | Ktron | Gah, Pollita in ##php is a asshole |
| 16:53.04 | Ktron | s/a/an |
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| 18:08.38 | futr-sleep | is there a getlocal() type function? I want to do a getglobal type thing but with local variables. |
| 18:09.30 | id` | how local? |
| 18:09.46 | futr-sleep | file local, so within scope |
| 18:10.41 | id` | oh dunno :9 |
| 18:10.46 | futr-sleep | ;'] |
| 18:17.52 | Cide | well |
| 18:18.08 | Cide | not sure if there actually is one, but you could put all your local variables in a table to simulate the global table |
| 18:18.24 | Cide | so your "getlocal" function would be localTable[keyName] |
| 18:21.03 | Elkano | resizing goes on :) http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/7437/resizedloot8lj.jpg | http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/930/resizedquestlog4fs.jpg |
| 18:23.45 | futr-sleep | Cide: damn, was hoping to get away from more tables |
| 18:25.06 | futr-sleep | I wish just [keyName] would work |
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| 18:57.39 | fatbrain | so, any WDB folks online? |
| 19:01.13 | Cide- | WDB? |
| 19:03.31 | fatbrain | Cide: Yes? |
| 19:03.32 | fatbrain | heh. |
| 19:03.46 | fatbrain | The WDB:s which silently resides in your WDB folder. |
| 19:04.10 | Cide | yeah, but what about them? you asked for "WDB folks" |
| 19:04.53 | fatbrain | folks that know the how-to parse the WDB files. |
| 19:05.07 | Cide | I know the format of one or two |
| 19:05.21 | Cide | well, I did once |
| 19:05.29 | fatbrain | well, what do you know now? |
| 19:05.50 | Cide | not much, search on the cosmos forums, I believe I found something there when passing by once |
| 19:06.31 | fatbrain | ok... |
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| 19:39.09 | Cide- | grr |
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| 20:13.29 | ForgottenLords | whats the TOC # at the moment? |
| 20:13.47 | Elkano | 10900 |
| 20:13.48 | futr | 10900 |
| 20:13.57 | Tain | 90210 |
| 20:14.01 | ForgottenLords | sweet, thanks |
| 20:14.24 | futr | oh, yeah, forgot we had gone to 9.02.10 |
| 20:14.34 | Elkano | 90210 is way outdated... |
| 20:14.40 | Tain | Only if you live in Beverly Hills. |
| 20:22.43 | id` | Tain: #wowace |
| 20:24.05 | id` | Elkano: neat @ loot frame |
| 20:24.12 | Elkano | :) |
| 20:24.18 | id` | it would own if yo'u make it 'detailed' or 'list' view |
| 20:24.35 | id` | small icon, one line of text |
| 20:24.54 | id` | do i make sense? |
| 20:24.54 | id` | :p |
| 20:25.04 | id` | like uh, in explorer >_> |
| 20:25.04 | Elkano | well, I'll release it tomorrow so you can have a look at the code: it's still Blizzard's LootFrame |
| 20:25.10 | id` | ah ok |
| 20:25.43 | Elkano | just told him that there are 8 instead of only 4 buttons, created these 4 and fixed the background |
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| 20:26.12 | id` | when i get to xml someday ill make my own loot frame.. |
| 20:27.22 | Elkano | well, wouldn't be that hard. you could do it the way it is done now (using pages) or use a fauxscrollframe |
| 20:27.46 | Elkano | the rest would stay the same, only the button would use a smaler icon |
| 20:28.00 | Elkano | and would be wider |
| 20:28.44 | Elkano | main problem would be the textures :/ had a hard time to fix those since I'm not that good with graphics |
| 20:32.31 | id` | like i said, when ill learn |
| 20:32.32 | id` | :p |
| 20:32.34 | id` | ke ke |
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| 21:36.25 | Wob | Any suggestions as to how to categorise items? ItemType and SubItemType are woefully insufficient =( |
| 21:40.54 | Elkano | well, I do use ItemType, SubItemType and Equip |
| 21:41.13 | Elkano | ...EquipLocation with my ItemDB and haven't had any problems so far... |
| 21:42.47 | Elkano | so why do you think that they are insufficient? |
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| 22:00.06 | id` | morning Cide |
| 22:00.11 | Cide | hi there |
| 22:00.24 | id` | .. |
| 22:00.42 | Elkano | why didn't I notice before that the lootframe only fits 7 buttons? |
| 22:01.06 | id` | s/)(C)(i)de/\1a\2renn/ |
| 22:01.09 | id` | :p |
| 22:01.27 | Wob | Sorting tradegoods mostly |
| 22:01.28 | Cide | still! |
| 22:01.30 | Cide | hi! |
| 22:01.31 | id` | hi! |
| 22:01.35 | Wob | like keeping cloth items together etc |
| 22:02.36 | Elkano | hmm itemtype armor, subtype cloth |
| 22:02.42 | id` | Wob: I'm not going to say PeriodicTable because i don't know exactly what it does |
| 22:02.48 | id` | :-) |
| 22:15.34 | Wob | well, more silk cloth, linen cloth etc |
| 22:15.43 | Wob | tradeitems as I said |
| 22:17.23 | id` | oo wutcha makin? :) |
| 22:25.11 | Elkano | ups, I used the wrong height for the loot button ^^' |
| 22:26.20 | Elkano | it seems to be 40 instead of the 32 I used :/ |
| 22:27.27 | Cairenn | so, I guess my tolerance level is getting rather low |
| 22:28.17 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=314332&s=new&tmp=1#new |
| 22:28.24 | Cairenn | I never used to be that ... blunt ... |
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| 22:33.31 | Cide | hehe |
| 22:33.37 | Cide | same here Cairenn |
| 22:33.49 | Cairenn | I can't believe how bitter I'm getting, it's sad :( |
| 22:33.52 | Cide | http://www.ctmod.net/news.ct |
| 22:34.03 | Cide | we know how you're feeling :) |
| 22:34.08 | Cide | actually |
| 22:34.13 | Cide | not the top one, but the second one from the top |
| 22:34.31 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 22:34.49 | Shadowd | It's amazing how one change can cause so many comments |
| 22:35.06 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 22:37.29 | Cairenn | I'm just bloody sick to death of the "I got banned for using X mod" ... it's bulshit |
| 22:38.39 | Shadowd | Yeah, I never understood what they're trying to do by posting. All they do is post "I got banned for hacking" |
| 22:44.30 | Cairenn | until I hear it from a *reputable* source (ie someone *here* or a family member or such) ... it's BS ... they are using a hack or they've got something nasty on their system |
| 22:44.55 | Cairenn | Blizz doesn't ban for *mods* |
| 22:45.05 | Cide | well |
| 22:45.20 | Cide | as far as I know (and I strongly doubt otherwise), they can't even tell what mods you are running |
| 22:45.30 | Cairenn | precisely |
| 22:45.56 | Shadowd | It sounds like they're going to try and change that for Decursive though |
| 22:46.15 | Cairenn | and hell, I've got enough friends at Blizz ... I know for 100% fact precisely what they do before they ban an account |
| 22:46.20 | wereHamster | how can they tell whether you'reusing a hack if they can't tell whether you're using mods ? |
| 22:46.43 | Shadowd | The Warden apparently, or at least from what I've heard. |
| 22:48.49 | Elkano | well, Cide, maybe they can via warden but I still doubt that they'll ban for anything written in lua |
| 22:48.58 | wereHamster | oh yeah.. I've heard of that evil piece of software :) |
| 22:49.21 | Cairenn | oh for the love of ... it's only "evil" if you've got something to hide |
| 22:49.32 | Shadowd | Thank you! |
| 22:51.36 | Cairenn | please note, I did start this conversation with "my tolerance level is getting rather low" |
| 22:52.05 | Shadowd | The only reason that'd ban you for doing something in LUA is if you found a way to exploit it I suppose, but besides that they could just remove however it was done easly. |
| 22:52.27 | Cairenn | which is *precisely* what they've already done, twice |
| 22:52.38 | Shadowd | Auto travel and cross faction commucation? |
| 22:52.42 | Cairenn | once for cross faction communication, and once for the auto travel |
| 22:52.50 | Elkano | btw: could so do me a favour and ask slouken if he could change SetItemRef to behave the same also when shift is pressed but the chatbox isn't opened? |
| 22:52.58 | wereHamster | even the best software can fail... is it true that warden scans the window titles, hashes the string and compares it with a database of 'not allowed'-hashes? |
| 22:53.24 | Cairenn | that's pretty much it in a nut shell, wereHamster |
| 22:53.32 | Cairenn | Elkano: EU? |
| 22:53.41 | Elkano | yes :/ |
| 22:53.44 | Cairenn | k |
| 22:54.06 | Cairenn | PM me with the exact message you'd like posted, and I can toss it up for you |
| 22:54.19 | Cairenn | just send it to me at WoWI and I'll copy/paste |
| 22:54.47 | Shadowd | There any good ways to get the user specified value of a CHAT_MSG event by the way? |
| 22:54.54 | Shadowd | err, RGB value. |
| 22:55.14 | Cide | not sure |
| 22:55.17 | Cide | I can check how I did it |
| 22:55.25 | Cide | but I think that's a pretty big hack |
| 22:55.40 | Shadowd | You did it by overriding the OnEvent method for ChatFrame and sending your own event as far as I can tell. |
| 22:56.08 | Shadowd | Trying to find the user specified colors for alliance and horde BG_SYSTEM messages. Will probably just have to hardcode red and blue. |
| 22:56.24 | Elkano | try eg ChatTypeInfo["WHISPER"].r |
| 22:57.00 | Elkano | overwriting this was the way I used to recolor them on the fly |
| 22:57.22 | Elkano | @cairenn: I'll do so, but tomorrow. But thx in advance :) |
| 22:57.28 | Cairenn | np |
| 22:57.40 | Cide | Elkano: yeah, that holds rgb |
| 22:57.49 | Cairenn | I post messages a lot for folks from the EU community |
| 22:57.53 | Cide | I used that to make officer chat sticky too, it should work |
| 22:57.56 | Shadowd | Aha! thats what I was looking for. |
| 22:58.00 | Shadowd | Thanks |
| 22:59.22 | id` | 81 strength |
| 22:59.24 | id` | is that much? |
| 22:59.28 | id` | bhahaha |
| 22:59.31 | id` | i doubled my strength |
| 22:59.34 | id` | with my items |
| 22:59.37 | id` | as opposed to naked :-) |
| 22:59.40 | id` | im lv 19 |
| 23:00.02 | Shadowd | Depends what class I suppose |
| 23:11.36 | zeeg | so is anbyone here attending GDC? |
| 23:14.48 | Cairenn | well, the fact that I don't recognize the acronym is probably a fair indication that I don't ... |
| 23:16.36 | AnduinLothar | mmm game dev confrence? |
| 23:17.09 | id` | Shadowd: warrior |
| 23:17.33 | zeeg | ya |
| 23:17.57 | Shadowd | Doesn't sound that bad for 19, probably want some more AGI though. |
| 23:18.14 | Cairenn | what, E3? |
| 23:18.21 | zeeg | no GDC |
| 23:18.42 | zeeg | its in march |
| 23:18.43 | Cairenn | naw, doubt if I'll be at that, probably at E3 though |
| 23:18.45 | id` | Shadowd: yes, i have no trinkets yet. and this isnt the best mail armor + weapon set for lvl 19 |
| 23:18.52 | id` | i aim for that eventually.. |
| 23:19.01 | id` | but im not that hardcore on playing wow ;) |
| 23:19.04 | Shadowd | It's been a while since I've had a level 19 though, so i'm not sure. |
| 23:19.17 | id` | i cant gain anymore exp |
| 23:19.20 | id` | hehe :p |
| 23:19.34 | Shadowd | Ah, 10-19 WSG? |
| 23:19.40 | id` | yes |
| 23:19.43 | id` | i like it |
| 23:19.50 | Cairenn | all current indications are that I'll be at E3 |
| 23:19.52 | id` | this is my highest char anyway |
| 23:20.03 | id` | :p |
| 23:20.06 | Cairenn | unless something drastic happens between now and May |
| 23:20.16 | id` | my guild wants me to get some experience in wow PVP so i chose this |
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| 23:20.21 | id` | hi tem |
| 23:20.23 | Tem | A life? |
| 23:20.25 | Tem | What's that? |
| 23:20.45 | Tem | oh you mean idling on IRC and playing video games? |
| 23:20.47 | Cairenn | hey Tem :) |
| 23:20.49 | Tem | Yes I do that a lot! |
| 23:21.02 | Shadowd | Anyone who tells you otherwise is wrong |
| 23:21.14 | zeeg | I remember back when IRC and Gaming satisfied me.. I wish I could go back to those days :( |
| 23:21.17 | zeeg | so much less.. work |
| 23:21.28 | Tem | zeeg! |
| 23:21.32 | Tem | Watch you language man |
| 23:21.37 | Tem | wouldn't want Cair to boot you |
| 23:21.45 | zeeg | O.o |
| 23:21.56 | Cairenn | ewww, he used that nasty W word |
| 23:22.06 | Cairenn | that's grounds for banishment, isn't it? |
| 23:22.25 | Tem | yeah, fraid it is |
| 23:22.58 | id` | wah, and that on a saturday |
| 23:23.02 | id` | *cry* |
| 23:23.07 | Cairenn | I dunno, best clean up your act zeeg, or I'll have no choice |
| 23:23.36 | zeeg | :| |
| 23:23.46 | zeeg | i work mon-thurs if that |
| 23:23.47 | zeeg | im lazy |
| 23:23.58 | Cairenn | you did it again |
| 23:24.01 | Cairenn | you said that word |
| 23:24.02 | Cairenn | stop it |
| 23:24.09 | zeeg | my bad |
| 23:24.11 | Cairenn | oh no, now I said it |
| 23:24.15 | Cairenn | ack, I said it again |
| 23:26.03 | zeeg | hrm |
| 23:26.20 | zeeg | would you search for "videos" or"movies" more often if you were looking for that kind of content ? |
| 23:26.46 | Shadowd | movies |
| 23:26.57 | zeeg | think there's a chunk of people that use the term video? |
| 23:27.08 | zeeg | trying to decide if I need that in my keywords as well |
| 23:27.11 | zeeg | right now its <game> Movies |
| 23:27.15 | Tem | ... |
| 23:27.17 | zeeg | but i may change it to <game> Movies and Videos |
| 23:27.18 | Tem | do both |
| 23:27.22 | Cairenn | would depend ... that which I would watch on TV or at a theater are movies, those that I watch on computer are videos |
| 23:27.29 | zeeg | hrm alright |
| 23:27.44 | Shadowd | More people would look for Movies most likely, but if you have the space to add Video's it can't hurt. |
| 23:27.48 | Cairenn | may be a stupid distinction, but that's the way I name them |
| 23:38.49 | zeeg | :o |
| 23:38.49 | zeeg | http://www.megagames.com/news/html/pc/wowexpansion-diablo3demo.shtml |
| 23:38.51 | zeeg | wheres my credits |
| 23:38.52 | zeeg | jerks |
| 23:39.01 | zeeg | oh |
| 23:39.04 | zeeg | credits but no link |
| 23:42.09 | zeeg | http://www.wowguru.com/gallery/?screenshotID=1149 |
| 23:42.10 | zeeg | hah |
| 23:47.39 | id` | Gather aroundc! |
| 23:47.43 | id` | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=4564 |
| 23:47.45 | id` | and loOK! |
| 23:47.47 | id` | :p |
| 23:48.56 | Cairenn | heh |
| 23:49.03 | Cairenn | ~applaud id` |
| 23:49.05 | purl | ACTION gives id` a standing ovation |
| 23:50.18 | Shadowd | The coordinates on the minimap look nice, havn't seen an addon that does that. |
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| 23:54.01 | Tem | Tem needs to get something productive done today |
| 23:55.41 | Cairenn | help me figure out the write up for that which is coming shortly |
| 23:56.25 | Tem | I've already told you the extent of what I have to say |
| 23:56.35 | Tem | even though it wouldn't be an acceptable write-up |
| 23:56.40 | Cairenn | heh |
| 23:56.46 | Cairenn | oooh, shiny! |
| 23:56.53 | Tem | "Oh Shiny!" is about all I can say think about it. |
| 23:57.02 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 23:57.23 | Tem | maybe, "Moving colors..." *trance* |
| 23:59.31 | Shadowd | Sounds fancy! |
