| 00:07.34 | id` | yes i got it |
| 00:07.35 | id` | ;) |
| 00:09.41 | id` | http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/gfx/WoWScrnShot_012206_010453.jpg |
| 00:09.47 | id` | http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/gfx/WoWScrnShot_012206_010501.jpg |
| 00:09.57 | id` | http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/gfx/WoWScrnShot_012206_010548.jpg |
| 00:10.03 | id` | http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/gfx/WoWScrnShot_012206_010607.jpg |
| 00:10.10 | id` | im collecting all of the Burnished mail armor |
| 00:10.10 | id` | :p; |
| 00:10.15 | id` | it looks seggshay |
| 00:10.35 | id` | i need gloves and shoes :O |
| 00:11.33 | Ktron | I forget which armor I liked the look of best |
| 00:11.44 | Ktron | spidersilk robe is one of my more favorite textures |
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| 00:32.19 | Tain | Ah finally back where I belong. irc from the console in a screen session. |
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| 00:42.13 | Shouryuu | rawr... |
| 00:44.51 | Shouryuu | well 'night folks |
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| 00:55.14 | Tem | stupid required pictures... |
| 00:56.23 | Tain | You can already redo a lot as it is. |
| 00:57.36 | Ktron | with windows? |
| 00:57.49 | Ktron | its not a power issue, it's a simplicity issue |
| 00:58.23 | Ktron | or am I just not reading the right OS tweaking web pages? |
| 00:59.17 | Tain | I've still never seen WoW's XML as simplistic. |
| 01:00.08 | Ktron | compared to making windows ui things? |
| 01:00.17 | Tain | What I was thinking though was Active Desktop. You activate that and you can do a lot. |
| 01:00.30 | Ktron | ah, through web-ish elements |
| 01:00.44 | Tain | Yeah. |
| 01:01.23 | Ktron | hm... I might look at it somemore, but I thought it was pretty limited in what it could do... I thought html/javscript or something like that |
| 01:01.39 | Ktron | but maybe I should look again |
| 01:02.12 | Tain | I'm not even sure, I never did a lot with it natively. But I have used some other things, Konfabulator, ahhh.. damn there's another one. |
| 01:02.31 | Ktron | Konfabulator is decent, I've thought about learning how to write for that |
| 01:02.35 | Fanook | stardock |
| 01:02.44 | Ktron | stardock, there's AppDesk |
| 01:03.09 | Tain | grr there's one I can't remember that I liked a lot. |
| 01:03.18 | Fanook | i hate stardock, i installed it once and never could get it completely out of my system. ironically with the WoW desktop thing they released |
| 01:03.24 | Ktron | AppDesk wasn't too bad either, but Konfabulator was definitely the best looking, maybe I'll break from wow some and look into how hard it is to write stuff for Konfab |
| 01:03.37 | Tain | I really wasn't all that impressed ith Stradock. I mean it does do a lot, just not thing I liked. |
| 01:03.59 | Ktron | heh, which part of stardock's suite Fanook ? They have the Objectbar, Windowblinds, IconPackager, SkinStudio... |
| 01:05.19 | Fanook | windowblinds, i think. it got installed with that WoW desktop theme, tried to uninstall it and ended up with windows and menus that had black text on black backgrounds. was NOT happy |
| 01:05.59 | Tain | It was not good performance wise, for me. |
| 01:06.12 | Tain | Samurize! |
| 01:06.14 | Tain | That's the one. |
| 01:06.15 | Tain | Geez. |
| 01:11.02 | Cairenn | don't *ever* use http://www.fontempire.com/cgi-bin/preview.pl/themes/da211.zip |
| 01:11.28 | Cairenn | remember couple weeks back I talked about having to use a restore point? that thing was why :p |
| 01:12.01 | Cairenn | gd think did the black on black when I tried to uninstall it |
| 01:12.25 | Cairenn | s/think/thing/ |
| 01:13.09 | Fanook | why must people make helping them harder than it has to be? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=306453 |
| 01:14.35 | Tain | Because people are bad. |
| 01:16.18 | Cairenn | I don't think my walk-through can be much clearer than it is |
| 01:17.43 | Fanook | i agree |
| 01:17.57 | Iriel | I ended up just referencing wowinterface in my addons' install readme |
| 01:18.10 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.13 | Tain | Never underestimate the stupidity of people in large numbers. |
| 01:18.24 | Iriel | I give instructions for those who have a clue, then say 'if you can't get it working, go to wowinterface and read the FAQ's' |
| 01:18.54 | Cairenn | I mean, if someone can tell me how to make it even *more* idiot proof, I'd love to hear it |
| 01:19.11 | Tain | Draw large pictures in crayon. |
| 01:19.16 | Cairenn | heh |
| 01:20.08 | Fanook | the only thing i can think of is people always say "i don't understand the full path thing" and a screenshot of an example filetree might help |
| 01:20.20 | Cairenn | there are |
| 01:20.26 | Cairenn | on the link itself |
| 01:20.29 | Iriel | there ARE screenshots of file trees |
| 01:20.51 | Cairenn | been doing this for a long time, the SSs are there :) |
| 01:21.29 | Iriel | API function name question, Scaffold:Attach is the scaffold equivalent of RegisterEvent (more or less) |
| 01:21.47 | Iriel | Should I use Scaffold:Release (easy to spell) or Scaffold:Detach (consistent with Attach) to UNregister? |
| 01:22.00 | Fanook | not in the WoW forums one, which of course is the one i linked to :( |
| 01:22.55 | Cairenn | I should change it and just give the link to the FAQ at WoWI |
| 01:24.24 | Tain | That's the thing, people, well a lot of people, won't read it no matter what. They don't want to be bothered. |
| 01:24.49 | Fanook | then we get to tell them to buzz off. |
| 01:25.17 | Tain | I was just out getting sandwiches to go, a customer says, "Do you have soups?" THe person behind the counter says, "Yes, what's listed right there on the sign." Customer proceeds to ask, "Do you have clam chowder?" |
| 01:26.44 | Fanook | cluebats, we need cluebats |
| 01:27.01 | Tem | Iriel: is this going into public API or just stuff you will be calling? |
| 01:27.49 | Iriel | Well, stuff anyone who codes in or around StatRings might need |
| 01:27.56 | Iriel | I have a whole plugin system imagined |
| 01:28.05 | Iriel | StatRingsUnitBuffs wont be too far behind StatRings, for example |
| 01:28.21 | Iriel | other people may be similarly motivated (StatRingsCastRing for example) |
| 01:28.40 | Iriel | The method's on 'publicly visible' objects |
| 01:28.41 | Tem | hmm |
| 01:28.59 | Tem | then I think Detach might be better for consistency |
| 01:29.19 | Iriel | I was leaning that way too |
| 01:29.46 | Tem | although... |
| 01:29.57 | Tem | you could always make Release an alias for Detach |
| 01:30.09 | Tem | and Grab could be an alias for Attach |
| 01:30.52 | Iriel | Nah, i'll just be consistent throughout |
| 01:31.52 | Tem | oh, Anyone remember the Tab complete thing I was going to write like 2 months ago? |
| 01:31.52 | Iriel | thanks for the opinion 8-) |
| 01:31.52 | Iriel | Yes, I do |
| 01:31.52 | Cairenn | Tem: yup |
| 01:31.52 | Tem | I sat down this afternoon and got it to a release quality |
| 01:31.53 | Cairenn | yay! |
| 01:31.59 | Tem | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4520 |
| 01:32.23 | Tem | Iriel: np. Glad to be of help. |
| 01:36.41 | Tain | I opened a few lua files today. |
| 01:36.49 | Tain | I didn't actually do anything with them. |
| 01:36.51 | Tain | But I opened them. |
| 01:37.56 | Tem | lol Tain. You sound like me trying to write an essay |
| 01:38.11 | Tem | it takes me like 2 hours just to get a word processor open |
| 01:38.16 | Tain | haha yeah |
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| 01:38.47 | MentalPower|ZZzz | question for anyone. what does "<3" mean? |
| 01:38.55 | Tain | Less than 3 |
| 01:39.05 | Tem | or "heart" |
| 01:39.18 | Tem | I <3 tab complete because I'm lazy |
| 01:39.21 | Tain | Or a double-scoop ice cream cone. |
| 01:39.48 | Tain | Possibly an anorexic with breast implants. |
| 01:39.59 | Tem | wouldn't that be <DD? |
| 01:40.20 | Cairenn | weirdos :p |
| 01:40.21 | Tain | The scoops can be side by side. Haven't you ever had a cone like that? |
| 01:40.36 | Tem | (I was talking about the ice cream, but I suppose it fits with the anorexic too....) |
| 01:40.37 | Fanook | it's a heart smiley |
| 01:41.02 | Tain | It's the shocker. |
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| 02:06.10 | Tem | oh look, slouken responded |
| 02:08.43 | Cide | about what? |
| 02:10.46 | Tem | 1.10 changes thread |
| 02:12.31 | Ktron | Hopefully that shuts Shibi up |
| 02:13.37 | Cairenn | shibi? |
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| 02:15.11 | Guillotine | hey... did you guys know they disabled the SplitMoney(); command? |
| 02:15.25 | Guillotine | I saw in the patchnotes that they disabled /split, but not the actual command |
| 02:15.31 | Guillotine | what? |
| 02:15.44 | Cairenn | ah, thought you were talking about the same thing :p |
| 02:15.45 | Iriel | You mean the other way around, they disabled the API but not the / command |
| 02:16.07 | GenNMX | What's bad about the SplitMoney()? I actually read that as they disabled /spit haha |
| 02:16.35 | Guillotine | well, the patch notes said they disabled /split. but what they really did was disable the API command |
| 02:16.44 | Guillotine | I'm not sure whats bad |
| 02:16.50 | Guillotine | I guess ppl were scamming other ppl with it |
| 02:16.58 | Guillotine | telling them to help out by typing /script SplitMoney() |
| 02:18.21 | Cairenn | GenNMX: that is what my Mom had read too, she was all excited and happy that they'd taken it out |
| 02:18.36 | Cairenn | she hates that emote (I have to agree with her) |
| 02:19.12 | GenNMX | Cairenn: And people wonder why we don't have cross-faction communication anymore |
| 02:19.29 | Cairenn | oh, I know |
| 02:19.40 | Cairenn | I wish they *would* take that emote out :p |
| 02:19.48 | Guillotine | ya. there are some emotes I wish they would add... like /gg |
| 02:19.56 | Cairenn | funny, /rude doesn't bother me near so much as /spit |
| 02:20.05 | Cairenn | I usually find /rude funny |
| 02:20.57 | Guillotine | I wish there was a way to submit emotes for approval by blizz |
| 02:21.07 | Guillotine | so they could add the much needed emotes |
| 02:21.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Like? |
| 02:21.16 | Guillotine | ./gg |
| 02:21.21 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:21.28 | ScytheBlade1 | All I ever use is /dance and /doom |
| 02:21.32 | Guillotine | lol |
| 02:21.39 | Guillotine | what about \nice? |
| 02:21.39 | ScytheBlade1 | (gnomish mage) |
| 02:21.41 | Tain | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:21.47 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ /rtfm |
| 02:21.48 | Cairenn | heh |
| 02:21.55 | Cairenn | rtfq |
| 02:22.10 | Guillotine | seriously though, I am loving Gello's Sympathy addon |
| 02:22.13 | Cairenn | (quest) |
| 02:22.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I was about to ask |
| 02:22.21 | Cairenn | oh, that is *so* funny |
| 02:22.40 | Cairenn | gello is a riot, has been for as long as I've known him |
| 02:23.01 | ScytheBlade1 | What does it do? |
| 02:23.33 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4412 |
| 02:24.11 | Cairenn | hang on |
| 02:24.28 | Cairenn | There are some compilations that include a mod to call out for healing when your hp gets low. This is often mildly annoying to healers. What Sympathy does is automatically respond when someone calls out for healing with a random emote: |
| 02:24.28 | Cairenn | tries to act concerned that %s needs healing. |
| 02:24.28 | Cairenn | mutters about %s killing his dps. |
| 02:24.28 | Cairenn | ponders if there's any connection between %s's call for healing and the little bars beside their name. |
| 02:24.28 | Cairenn | calls for %s to watch their ******* aggro! |
| 02:24.30 | Cairenn | compliments %s on their fine choice of UI compilations and alt+tabs right this moment to find a mod to call out for tanking. |
| 02:24.33 | Cairenn | studies %s's wounds for a moment, then puts away the runecloth bandages and looks for some linen. |
| 02:24.36 | AnduinLothar | wow.. it's 6:30pm.. how did that happen |
| 02:24.57 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 02:24.58 | ScytheBlade1 | That's good |
| 02:25.35 | AnduinLothar | something about waking up and it's still dark just messes with your head |
| 02:26.13 | GenNMX | Health-Alerting mods are usually necessary at lower levels, heh. |
| 02:26.30 | Cairenn | bullshit :p |
| 02:26.41 | Cairenn | not to put too fine a point on it |
| 02:26.51 | GenNMX | Cairenn: I must be unlucky then... |
| 02:27.04 | Tain | I've never needed anything like that. |
| 02:27.31 | Tain | Actually in my opinion if you do then you need to find different people to play with. |
| 02:27.35 | GenNMX | Most of the people I group with will do stuff like stay in Shadowform 80% of the time |
| 02:28.01 | GenNMX | Choosers can't be beggars, Tain |
| 02:29.00 | GenNMX | But I do think any health-calling out mod should only be turned on if the healer is doing an exceptionally bad job. |
| 02:30.07 | AnduinLothar | mana callers are good for healers tho |
| 02:30.25 | GenNMX | But maybe I'm biased because I made an addon with the ability to call out for healing/announce oom :p |
| 02:30.48 | Cairenn | omg, ebil! |
| 02:31.32 | GenNMX | To my defense, VitalWatch's main idea was to alert YOU of people's health and mana, not alert others ;) |
| 02:31.48 | Tain | I do. Actually I really don't group with people who don't play up to my expectations. :) |
| 02:32.08 | Cairenn | surrrrrrreeeee it was GenNMX, sure |
| 02:32.34 | GenNMX | Bah, it only has 2/10 options for alerting others instead of yourself |
| 02:33.26 | GenNMX | I do think that OOM alerts should always be turned on except for Paladins and Hunters, but then again, I'm not choosy for people like Tain ;) |
| 02:34.17 | AnduinLothar | i dunno, I do main healing all the time on my pally |
| 02:34.51 | GenNMX | Well I don't meet many main-healing Pallies, but I'd add them into that list too. |
| 02:37.20 | GenNMX | Cairenn: Do we really need to know if a Hunter is OOM during battle? |
| 02:37.31 | Cairenn | of course not |
| 02:37.39 | AnduinLothar | It's kinda the only reason I've been playing the pally so long. a lot of people hate um, but because their's gear dependant and i've been collecting gear so long i have good gear for healing and another set of good gear for pvp and another set for tanking... so I can be flexible. |
| 02:38.20 | GenNMX | But I would be concerned if a Mage, Warlock, Priest, Druid, or Main-Healing Pally was OOM during battle...that can change your strategy a bit |
| 02:38.29 | Cairenn | nm that her pet is the main tank, and she has no mana to heal it, or that she has no mana to cast a sting that will stun the mob for x seconds, or snare it so it can't run away to bring the entire rest of the dungeon back with you, or ... |
| 02:39.03 | AnduinLothar | heh. we had such an odd grp for Dukes last night |
| 02:39.23 | GenNMX | Cairenn: OK, fine, do I have to make the distinction between a Good Hunter and a Normal Hunter? :D |
| 02:39.36 | AnduinLothar | a pvp pally, a healadin, a hunter who's cat was tanking and two rogues |
| 02:39.59 | GenNMX | 80% of the Hunters I play with don't heal their pets and wouldn't do anything smart like snaring an enemy so they won't run away |
| 02:40.20 | Cairenn | my cat is frequently the tank for my groups, and snaring mobs is like, hello? |
| 02:40.27 | Cairenn | part of the job, duh |
| 02:40.32 | GenNMX | I play a lot of PUGs |
| 02:40.38 | AnduinLothar | same |
| 02:40.40 | GenNMX | I'm too low a level for my guild |
| 02:40.48 | AnduinLothar | my guild is crap |
| 02:41.11 | GenNMX | The Cosmos Guild is crap? |
| 02:41.22 | AnduinLothar | there's a cosmos guild? where? |
| 02:41.31 | GenNMX | I thought there was :D |
| 02:42.55 | AnduinLothar | HA no. I didn't join a guild till June. And there didn't do enough raiding, so i joined a raiding guild, which disolved 3 months later. rinse and repeat 3x |
| 02:43.11 | AnduinLothar | I still hang out with the peeps from my first guild tho |
| 02:43.23 | AnduinLothar | we have a channel we chat in |
| 02:43.38 | AnduinLothar | not enough of us to do any raiding tho |
| 02:44.00 | Cairenn | find another small guild and form an alliance :p |
| 02:44.09 | AnduinLothar | and my current guild is newb. I have like 60days play time at lvl 60 and most of them have like 2 weeks |
| 02:44.22 | GenNMX | That is another thing WoW should steal from DAoC -- Guild Alliances |
| 02:46.54 | AnduinLothar | ya, so i have no power in my guild and it drives me nuts. took me 2 weeks to convince 3 other people to come do Dukes |
| 02:47.07 | AnduinLothar | one of whom didn't even have the sithilis fp |
| 02:53.43 | Tain | That's kind of what raids were supposed to be though, I think. Join a raid and doesn' tmatter what guild you're in. |
| 02:55.16 | AnduinLothar | problem is most guilds i know wont let you do end game raids with other groups |
| 02:58.42 | AnduinLothar | what's the stop casting command? |
| 02:58.54 | Iriel | SpellStopCasting() |
| 02:59.13 | AnduinLothar | thx |
| 03:04.42 | cladhaire | I almost said s() cause localize it in all my macros |
| 03:05.04 | Cairenn | woot, fletched my trueshot! |
| 03:05.13 | Tain | Yay! |
| 03:05.25 | Cairenn | got a skill up on it, too! ;) |
| 03:07.03 | Cairenn | (as 3/4 of the channel goes "huh"?) |
| 03:07.55 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 03:07.56 | cladhaire | pretty much =) |
| 03:08.15 | Tain | Yay! |
| 03:10.05 | Tain | hehe that's sad. :) |
| 03:10.17 | Tain | I'm at least playing City of Villains instead. ;) |
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| 03:10.52 | Cairenn | doesn't cost me anything to play EQ, don't have to buy a new game, don't have to pay another subscription fee ... |
| 03:11.04 | Tain | yeah yeah. :) |
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| 03:11.46 | Cairenn | and when your bank account is as sad as mine, not having to front any more cash is a *good* thing |
| 03:12.10 | Tain | My bank account isn't sad. |
| 03:12.14 | Tain | It's clinically depressed. |
| 03:22.05 | Cairenn | wtf? what's a dragoon doing in the middle of FV?! |
| 03:26.49 | Tem | oh hell |
| 03:26.57 | Tem | I acidently just delted tab off of WoWI |
| 03:27.14 | Tem | s/acidently/accidentally/ |
| 03:50.05 | id` | 6 swords 1 mace 2 shields 1 shoulder pad 4 belts 3 gloves 3 blues |
| 03:50.12 | id` | nice DM run :-) |
| 03:50.19 | id` | hehe wow is so easy |
| 03:50.31 | id` | ask a lvl 60 to go do DM with you |
| 03:50.36 | id` | and catch |
| 03:50.38 | id` | :-) |
| 03:50.47 | id` | im gunna keep my char at 19 |
| 03:50.51 | id` | im so pimped out :O |
| 03:50.53 | Tain | hah |
| 03:50.59 | id` | and its my main too |
| 03:51.12 | id` | i got g's yo |
| 03:51.14 | id` | :p |
| 03:53.06 | id` | k im bored |
| 03:53.10 | id` | not going to sleep tonight |
| 03:53.20 | id` | 12 hour trip tomorrow in the bus |
| 03:53.36 | Tain | weeeeeeeefun |
| 03:53.58 | Fanook | band trip! |
| 03:54.07 | id` | wintersport trip |
| 03:54.08 | id` | :D |
| 03:54.31 | Fanook | same difference :P |
| 03:54.35 | id` | ima flip doze switched 180 indy's a whole week yo |
| 03:54.42 | id` | s/a/the/ |
| 03:54.47 | id` | doh |
| 03:54.48 | id` | :p |
| 03:55.09 | id` | video.google.com it is! |
| 03:55.17 | id` | (seatch for pride mma) |
| 03:55.33 | id` | s/tc/rc/ |
| 03:57.09 | id` | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7541997952728890482&q=pride |
| 03:57.16 | id` | pertty girl |
| 03:58.17 | Tain | I wouldn't kick her out of bed. |
| 03:59.48 | Tem | hahahah! I win |
| 03:59.56 | Tem | I've been not bidding on Arcanist stuff for 2 months now |
| 04:00.05 | Tem | all the other mages have it and I'm getting stuff for free :) |
| 04:02.48 | mrTee_ | Cops or Enemy of the State? |
| 04:03.23 | cladhaire | TEm: and that's the problem with a non-zero sum DKP system =) |
| 04:03.35 | Tem | cladhaire: well not free |
| 04:03.42 | Tem | 5dkp is our minimum bid |
| 04:04.12 | Tem | but I consider 5 free compared to the 20 and 30 the other mages paid for the same peices |
| 04:04.14 | Tain | ehn I still like a minimum bid per item quality. |
| 04:04.29 | Tem | Tain: I agree, but I'm taking advantage of the system now |
| 04:04.33 | Tem | so I'm not going to complain |
| 04:04.38 | Tain | I'd do the same thing :) |
| 04:04.55 | Tem | I didn't make up the dkp rules... |
| 04:05.08 | Tem | I said something about it way back when, but my opinion was brushed aside |
| 04:05.20 | Tem | so poo on them |
| 04:05.48 | cladhaire | =) |
| 04:05.51 | cladhaire | our loot system, is insane |
| 04:05.56 | cladhaire | but its fair =) |
| 04:06.02 | Cairenn | appropriate |
| 04:06.07 | cladhaire | lol |
| 04:06.08 | ScytheBlade1 | That's more than most anyone out there can say currently |
| 04:06.14 | cladhaire | considering I wrote it and Sat revised it =) |
| 04:06.23 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:06.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Enlighten me? ;) |
| 04:06.33 | cladhaire | http://silent-transcendence.net/points_system |
| 04:07.07 | Tain | I had to argue and argue, and they still ignored me. When we first started WoW the guildleader said we wouldn't need DKP. |
| 04:07.13 | Tain | It didn't take long. |
| 04:07.15 | cladhaire | hehehe |
| 04:07.52 | Tain | I don't understand why people can't just recognize my brilliance and listen. |
| 04:07.56 | cladhaire | haha |
| 04:08.08 | Tain | You are not authorized to access this page. |
| 04:08.15 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:08.16 | cladhaire | O RLY? |
| 04:08.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I can't type |
| 04:08.49 | Tain | I'm certainly not one to belive a points system is the best way to go in every circumstance. |
| 04:09.01 | Tain | But it boggles my mind when someone says that a point system in inherently unfair. |
| 04:09.03 | cladhaire | gimme a second |
| 04:09.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, your fun page (after I got it spelled correctly in lynx) gave me a 403 ;) |
| 04:09.50 | AnduinLothar | fairness sucks |
| 04:09.58 | cladhaire | try now |
| 04:10.04 | Tain | People don't want fair. They want the scales to be tipped in their favor. |
| 04:10.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Now I'm not authorized to view that page |
| 04:10.33 | Tain | MonkeyNuts applies to the guild |
| 04:10.37 | cladhaire | you should be able to view that page now =) |
| 04:10.48 | cladhaire | MonkeyNuts is my greatest creation.. you have no idea =) |
| 04:10.58 | ScytheBlade1 | There we go |
| 04:11.53 | ScytheBlade1 | DKP per time, eh |
| 04:11.57 | cladhaire | yep yep |
| 04:12.09 | cladhaire | its not for the light-hearted to administer tho =) |
| 04:12.17 | cladhaire | our spreadsheet/lua addon/etc. is insane =) |
| 04:12.31 | cladhaire | we haven't rewritten CT_RaidTracker.. that's our next prokect |
| 04:12.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Problem is people who start whining and tada |
| 04:12.37 | ScytheBlade1 | more DKP for everyone |
| 04:12.46 | cladhaire | ... |
| 04:12.47 | cladhaire | what do you mean? |
| 04:12.59 | ScytheBlade1 | It only takes one to delay a raid ten or more minutes |
| 04:13.18 | cladhaire | doesn't matter |
| 04:14.14 | ScytheBlade1 | How do you prevent that though? |
| 04:14.21 | cladhaire | they just dont get points. |
| 04:14.23 | ScytheBlade1 | (and/or why doesn't it matter?) |
| 04:14.29 | cladhaire | until they are there. |
| 04:14.36 | cladhaire | the point is.. anyone.. whether they are on the list or not gets points. |
| 04:14.51 | cladhaire | if someone has to leave 2 hours early.. and someone else comes in.. then the first person only gets credit fo rthe time they are there. |
| 04:15.46 | cladhaire | Its just what works for us.. based on what we're about |
| 04:16.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Oddly enough, that right there is the best suggestion I've heard concerning DKP/etc in a very very long tome |
| 04:16.20 | ScytheBlade1 | *time |
| 04:16.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Not your system per-se, but just custom tailor one to fit your guild's needs |
| 04:16.40 | cladhaire | yep |
| 04:16.42 | cladhaire | we |
| 04:16.51 | cladhaire | we're somewhat casual.. only 4 nights a week.. and people come and go when they can |
| 04:17.00 | cladhaire | RL>WoW |
| 04:17.03 | ScytheBlade1 | It's true |
| 04:17.14 | cladhaire | its just tough building one.. you have to be objective and careful.. and VERY MUCH watch the math |
| 04:17.18 | Tain | It's similar to what I used to be involved with. Not usre if they've modified it at all since then. The biggest differences were varied point amounts for items rather than a flat amount per tier, and I'm not sure about the 60% raid percentage getting an automatic win. I see it's purpose. Just not sure. |
| 04:17.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm currently in the middle of some incredibly fun guild drama... I'm basically a vet acting as 50% officer 50% leader |
| 04:17.44 | Tain | Guild drama is no fun. |
| 04:17.48 | Tain | Unless you're causing it. |
| 04:17.55 | ScytheBlade1 | And we don't raid like at all, if we max out our actives |
| 04:17.59 | ScytheBlade1 | We can barely run ZG in guild |
| 04:18.04 | ScytheBlade1 | (due to numbers) |
| 04:18.24 | cladhaire | aye |
| 04:18.36 | ScytheBlade1 | So DKP is one of things things I can talk to people in a more neutral way now, and try and move some of the collective mind over to something more constructive |
| 04:19.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, out of curiosity |
| 04:19.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Say you had a small guild, ~22 active members or so |
| 04:19.51 | Tain | I don't think there was any distinction made for weighting items that could be used by any class towards the classes that could most benefit from them. Which made for some damn funny wins when someone just wanted to be an ass. |
| 04:20.12 | ScytheBlade1 | And you had three members raiding 5h a night with another guild |
| 04:20.13 | cladhaire | Tain: We politely suggest that hunters pass on rogue items =) but dot require it. |
| 04:20.24 | ScytheBlade1 | What would you do in that case? |
| 04:20.25 | Tain | I've watched people who couldn't really benefit much from an item bit on it just to stop someone else from getting it. |
| 04:20.29 | cladhaire | ScytheBlade: We kick anyone who has a different raid id. |
| 04:20.32 | ScytheBlade1 | (where you = anyone in here) |
| 04:20.37 | GenNMX | When you do tostring(table), the result is table: memory loc, right? |
| 04:20.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Blatently? No tolerance? |
| 04:20.45 | cladhaire | the only exception is someone who takes a leave of absence to make grand mrshall |
| 04:20.49 | cladhaire | Gen: yes |
| 04:20.53 | GenNMX | Hmmm |
| 04:28.11 | cladhaire | wow.. my server is hosed =( |
| 04:41.03 | GenNMX | Aha! |
| 04:41.17 | Tem | wtf kind of comment is this? |
| 04:41.19 | Tem | "Great idea...if only it didn't have to be the Tab key." |
| 04:41.29 | Tem | WTF key do you want TAB COMPLETE to be? |
| 04:41.31 | Iriel | An ignorant one? |
| 04:41.51 | GenNMX | local t = Table; if not t then t = {} end; <-- This doesn't work, it makes a new LOCAL table instead of initializing Table |
| 04:42.34 | GenNMX | Am I correct in assuming that if a Table is nil, I need to initialize it to {}, right? |
| 04:43.41 | Cide | only if you need to use it :) |
| 04:43.59 | GenNMX | Yeah, I need to use it ;) |
| 04:44.15 | Cide | then you obviously need the variable to be a table in order to use it as a table :) |
| 04:44.58 | Tem | Man.. What's going on |
| 04:45.07 | Tem | SetScript is erroring |
| 04:45.12 | Tem | because I gave it nil |
| 04:45.20 | Tem | SetScript("OnTextChanged") |
| 04:45.22 | Cide | wrong parameter order? |
| 04:45.37 | Tem | that should remove an OnTextChanged thing right? |
| 04:45.44 | Cide | no |
| 04:45.45 | GenNMX | InitTable = function(t) if not then return {} end return t end |
| 04:45.51 | Cide | you need SetScript("OnTextChanged", nil) |
| 04:46.00 | GenNMX | Or do tables already have an initialize function? |
| 04:46.02 | Tem | seriously? |
| 04:46.05 | Tem | Why explicitly? |
| 04:46.10 | Cide | ask the game |
| 04:46.28 | Cide | UIParent:SetScript("OnTextChanged")"]:1: Usage: SetScript("type", function) |
| 04:47.05 | Cide | in every other case I've found them to be equivalent |
| 04:47.09 | GenNMX | Oops |
| 04:47.20 | GenNMX | InitTable = function(t) if not t then t = {} end return t end |
| 04:47.25 | id` | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3186656330617618442&q=pride+-gay+-pagan+-color+-band+-gp |
| 04:47.31 | id` | this guy is my favorite |
| 04:47.47 | Fanook | lmao, i'm watching SNL, and i thought a real commercial was a fake one |
| 04:47.47 | Cide | GenNMX: or (if you want): InitTable = function(t) return t or {}; end |
| 04:48.02 | id` | hes also the only one ive seen showing sportsmanship |
| 04:48.44 | id` | o well |
| 04:48.45 | id` | nn |
| 04:48.56 | id` | i might be on tomorrow |
| 04:48.58 | id` | if not im gone |
| 04:49.01 | id` | for a week |
| 04:49.09 | id` | snowboarding :-) |
| 04:49.35 | GenNMX | Cide: Ooo, or maybe t = t or {}; |
| 04:49.45 | GenNMX | I need InitTable to initialize t as well as return t |
| 04:50.43 | GenNMX | Wait, would t = t or {}; make t a boolean? |
| 04:51.28 | Cide | no |
| 04:51.41 | Cide | it would do what you accomplished with an if statement |
| 04:52.09 | GenNMX | OK |
| 04:53.17 | Cide | but now; good night |
| 05:04.14 | GenNMX | InitTable(t) if not t then t = {} end return t; <-- this is generating a new table each time instead of just once |
| 05:04.34 | GenNMX | When I do local t = InitTable(Table) |
| 05:05.16 | GenNMX | I guess Lua isn't as smart as I want it do be, I'll need to do Table = InitTable(Table) |
| 05:08.59 | Iriel | Indeed, the latter is what you WANT 8-) |
| 05:10.28 | GenNMX | Yeah, I was trying to reduce the amount of times I need to write out long strings for hashes |
| 05:22.25 | Tem | Why use a function call? |
| 05:22.30 | Tem | that just adds complexity |
| 05:22.36 | Tem | table = table or {} |
| 05:25.33 | Tain | I got sunshine in a bag. |
| 05:28.15 | GenNMX | Tem: Yeah, that's what I ended up doing. |
| 05:28.31 | GenNMX | I was hoping there was a one line solution, guess not. |
| 05:28.41 | Tem | well that's a oneline solution |
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| 05:30.57 | GenNMX | Tem: Table1[ Table2[hash1] ][hash2] = Table1[ Table2[hash1] ][hash2] or {}; local t = Table1[ Table2[hash1] ][hash2] |
| 05:30.58 | GenNMX | I was trying to do a function like InitTable so I could do it on the local t line, but that was a no go |
| 05:31.03 | GenNMX | Lua isn't C =/ |
| 05:31.11 | Tem | oh |
| 05:31.19 | Tem | yeah assignment doesn't return a value in Lua |
| 05:31.34 | Corrodias | lame~ |
| 05:33.55 | GenNMX | Tem: Yeah, I was thinking that "function(t) if not t then t = {} end return t end" would pass some type of dummy reference, but what happens is that it makes a new LOCAL table and returns that, so t = {} is meaningless. |
| 05:37.02 | GenNMX | In C++, all pointers initialized or not, are long variables that themselves have a place in memory. So initializing a null pointer in C++ that's passed by reference is no big deal if you do it right. |
| 05:37.51 | Iriel | Well, your old version does return a table |
| 05:38.18 | Iriel | Is 'Table' in your first example (Table = InitTable(Table)) a global? |
| 05:38.18 | GenNMX | Iriel: Yeah, but local t = InitTable( Table ) is meaningless, that's the point |
| 05:38.45 | GenNMX | No, it's a local |
| 05:42.17 | Tain | Is it a globo-loco table? |
| 05:42.30 | Cairenn | tain is a loco :p |
| 05:43.41 | GenNMX | No, it's a cache which complements a global table. You can set the program to either cache certain values (not save them) or save them (SavedVariables database) |
| 05:44.53 | Iriel | Personally i'd probably do something like |
| 05:45.00 | Iriel | Table = Table or CreateNewTable(); |
| 05:45.08 | Iriel | If you've got any worry that the new table will end up non-trivial |
| 05:45.51 | GenNMX | Why make a function instead of {} ? |
| 05:46.12 | Iriel | In case later on it ends up as { something=123; etc = "blah" }; |
| 05:46.16 | Iriel | And you need it n several places |
| 05:47.02 | GenNMX | Ah, well this is a statistical database, so it doesn't need any seed data |
| 05:49.20 | GenNMX | Hence why I need to initialize the tables, because Table[ unit .. ":" .. spell ] may not exist, but doesn't need to be seeded. |
| 05:49.45 | Tain | It's a funktable. Aw yeah. |
| 05:49.45 | GenNMX | Tain is a funktable. |
| 05:51.03 | Iriel | Well, once the top-level table is done, you CAN do lower initializers |
| 05:51.14 | Iriel | local t = GetSubtable(Table, unit, spell) |
| 05:51.19 | Iriel | or whatever |
| 05:56.17 | GenNMX | Hmm, good point |
| 06:07.16 | GenNMX | Iriel: Thanks, worked beautifully |
| 06:07.30 | GenNMX | Looks much, much cleaner then what I had before, mmm |
| 06:30.11 | GenNMX | OK, if I do local t = GetSubTable(Table, unit, "total", 0) to seed a table with 0, it seems to return 0 instead of a reference to Table |
| 06:30.29 | GenNMX | seed a table entry I mean |
| 06:30.32 | Iriel | Then you haev an error in your code 8-) |
| 06:30.55 | GenNMX | Well it works everywhere else...is there an addon which can trace a function? |
| 06:34.05 | Iriel | Do you have one less 'depth' in that one? |
| 06:36.14 | Tem | Cairenn: you might want to get in touch with the Shadowfax author. It looks like he uploaded it as an Addon to SealJudge which it clearly isn't |
| 06:36.34 | Cairenn | *nod* thanks |
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| 07:18.09 | Tem | Is there a way to get the date from the server? |
| 07:18.20 | Tem | I know you can get Server time but what about server date? |
| 07:19.45 | Tem | I'm about to write an addon that needs to know the correct date and I don't trust the user's machine |
| 07:20.14 | GenNMX|Thrae | Is there a way to determine the owner of a pet? |
| 07:20.33 | Tem | wasn't there GetPetOwner or something? |
| 07:21.15 | Iriel | tooltip scan |
| 07:21.44 | GenNMX|Thrae | Bah, really Iriel? |
| 07:21.50 | Tem | yeah looks like |
| 07:22.09 | Tem | only pet related functions on the Wiki are AbandonPet and some removed stuff |
| 07:22.44 | GenNMX|Thrae | How could one abuse GetPetOwner()? Automatically target the owner instead of the pet? |
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| 07:27.49 | GenNMX|Thrae | What about the Pet's name? Don't people get the same pet name each time because its an equation based on the owner's name? |
| 07:28.20 | End | BEWM |
| 07:29.29 | Fanook | Gen: assuming warlock, that's what i thought |
| 07:29.51 | GenNMX|Thrae | Ah yes, you can name your Hunter pets, darn it |
| 07:30.48 | Fanook | i've heard of people dismissing warlock pets (or something) to get new names, but i don't believe it |
| 07:34.59 | GenNMX|Thrae | Hmmm, WoW forum down |
| 07:35.13 | End | Fanook: I've heard of it too, but I've also heard they fixed it a patch or two ago |
| 07:35.19 | Cairenn | shows for me, GenNMX|Thrae |
| 07:35.42 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yeah now it's letting me login. |
| 07:35.55 | Tem | aye, up for me too |
| 07:36.01 | Tem | and faster than usual to boot |
| 07:37.21 | Tem | oh isn't there a WoW function that returns the seconds since Jan 1970? |
| 07:37.51 | Tem | or is that one dependent on the user's clock as well? |
| 07:38.02 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4523 |
| 07:39.20 | AnduinLothar | oh wow.. |
| 07:39.37 | Tem | Cairenn: what do you think? Non-English speaking or just that bad? |
| 07:39.55 | Cairenn | non-english speaking do better than that |
| 07:40.03 | Cairenn | they actually type "you" |
| 07:40.04 | Fanook | ack! that hurts my brain |
| 07:40.12 | Tem | ah if you look at the SS it's a non-english speaking person |
| 07:40.28 | Tem | at least some of the text on the SS looks german to me |
| 07:40.31 | Fanook | email says german |
| 07:40.38 | Fanook | freenet.de |
| 07:40.45 | Cairenn | aye, but even so |
| 07:41.03 | Tem | yeah.. pretty painful |
| 07:41.09 | Cairenn | most times non-English typically have better language skills than that |
| 07:41.44 | Cairenn | please note, I did qualify that statement, twice even |
| 07:41.57 | GenNMX|Thrae | He needs a button to pop up when people get low instead of looking at their health himself. He's a busy person, he needs to abbreviate! |
| 07:43.05 | AnduinLothar | if he's so busy he needs to stop talking |
| 07:43.57 | AnduinLothar | im tempted to leave an angry comment |
| 07:44.45 | Cairenn | heh, you use "u" all the time yourself, AnduinLothar :p |
| 07:45.08 | AnduinLothar | not in public descriptions |
| 07:51.19 | Cairenn | true enough |
| 07:56.44 | Cairenn | well, I'm out |
| 07:56.53 | Cairenn | night all |
| 07:57.00 | Tem | Iriel: are you still around? |
| 07:57.01 | AnduinLothar | night cair |
| 07:57.03 | Tem | nigh Cair |
| 07:57.11 | Tem | s/nigh/night/ |
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| 08:07.43 | Iriel | Sort of |
| 08:15.48 | Tem | oh Iriel, I was just thinking abou this |
| 08:16.12 | Tem | after load can you think of any time where "this" wouldn't exist? |
| 08:16.47 | Iriel | if anyone sets it to nil |
| 08:17.07 | Tem | that would be mean |
| 08:17.48 | Tem | are there any functions called by the client directly? |
| 08:17.55 | Tem | or are they all triggered by an event? |
| 08:18.33 | Tem | (rephrase: or does the client always trigger an event when it would want to call a lua function directly) |
| 08:22.41 | Ktron | can you get item id's off of any of the websites? |
| 08:24.22 | pagefault | wow bad lag on the servers tonight |
| 08:24.38 | AnduinLothar | alacazam has items listed by id in the url |
| 08:27.00 | Ktron | thanks AnduinLothar |
| 08:27.48 | Iriel | Tem mostly except for the mouseover tooltip |
| 08:28.32 | Tem | Iriel: thanks |
| 08:56.19 | Iriel | Tem: TEXT may be an exception to that, it'sused by the UI to get strings formatted sometimes |
| 08:56.37 | Iriel | Tem: But I dont know if it's called via LUA, or if there's a similar internal method |
| 08:56.43 | Tem | I've seen it called a few times |
| 08:56.57 | Tem | doesn't really matter |
| 08:57.02 | Tem | I don't have a use for this information |
| 08:57.08 | Tem | I was just curious |
| 08:58.50 | Tem|Sleep | night people |
| 09:31.37 | Corrodias | this is odd |
| 09:31.51 | Corrodias | everybody in this thread seems to think the Green Whelp Armor is getting nerfed in 1.10 |
| 09:32.03 | Corrodias | but Iriel's compilation post doesn't mention anything like that |
| 09:32.19 | Corrodias | is that only for UI-related changes? |
| 09:38.25 | GenNMX|Thrae | That is correct Corrodias |
| 09:38.42 | GenNMX|Thrae | Iriel's post is ONLY for API / UI changes |
| 09:40.19 | GenNMX|Thrae | I can see why Green Whelp Armour could get nerfed -- it's essentially +5% Dodge, since most people won't have high enough Nature Resist to resist the Sleep effect. |
| 09:44.53 | Codayus | It didn't seem particularly unbalancing to me, but certainly it was much better than its cost would support. |
| 09:45.04 | GenNMX|Thrae | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-general&T=6666919&P=21 |
| 09:45.48 | GenNMX|Thrae | "Upon the release of patch version 1.10, players will notice the Green Whelp Armour no longer affects targets above Level 50. In addition, the sleep duration will be reduced from 30 seconds to 10 seconds." |
| 09:46.22 | GenNMX|Thrae | Dammit...I hope they make a Level 60 Green/Blue alternative. It's an excellent tanking and PvP option for Feral Druids. |
| 09:47.21 | Corrodias | in addition? |
| 09:48.14 | Corrodias | ..i'd like to say it's an essential part to my strategy, but it really isn't. still, it's part of my restoration set and it has saved my bacon (and therefore the party's bacon) a couple of times. |
| 09:48.16 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yes, it's a double nerf. |
| 09:48.47 | Corrodias | maybe it should just try to cast a sleeping effect at the item's level |
| 09:48.58 | Corrodias | you know how easy it is to resist spells from things much lower! :( |
| 09:50.47 | AnduinLothar | that's dumb |
| 09:51.05 | AnduinLothar | you're already getting crap armor cept for the sleep.. |
| 09:51.39 | Corrodias | it's better for spells than any other leather i've seen so far, at 46 |
| 09:52.05 | AnduinLothar | tho i did get a lvl 29 mace today that has 3 uses to inc att speed 50% |
| 09:52.26 | Corrodias | that's interesting |
| 09:52.33 | AnduinLothar | it's 2h and with crusader and counterweight + cast it makes .6 speed |
| 09:52.48 | Corrodias | i ask you now: what does "crusader" do? |
| 09:52.56 | Corrodias | it's a very, very undescriptive description. |
| 09:53.29 | AnduinLothar | 40% faster attack, 374 att pwr and a but less damage per swing |
| 09:53.33 | Wob | Travels to the holy lands to destroy the rebel scum? |
| 09:53.42 | AnduinLothar | bit* |
| 09:54.01 | Wob | hm, shiny |
| 09:54.03 | AnduinLothar | bumps dps about 30 |
| 09:54.50 | AnduinLothar | then the judge increases holy damage |
| 09:55.01 | Corrodias | a "the judge" enchant? i've not heard of that one |
| 09:56.27 | Corrodias | actually, that sounds like something i saw in a conversation... is it a paladin thing? |
| 09:57.09 | Codayus | Hmm? Oh, yeah. |
| 09:57.35 | Codayus | Paladins judge seals for various effects, including the Seal of the Crusader. |
| 09:58.17 | Wob | Is there a page for all these pally effects? Paladins are the class in which I have the least knowledge... =( |
| 09:59.02 | Codayus | Basically very short self-buffs which you can remove to gain some effect. For crusader, it increases AP, increases attack speed, but weapon damage drops. |
| 09:59.23 | Codayus | You can pick up a fair amount reading the tooltips for the pally spells...for example, here: |
| 09:59.26 | Codayus | http://thottbot.com/?c=Paladin |
| 09:59.56 | Corrodias | but i see "crusader" advertised on horde side as an enchantment |
| 10:00.04 | Codayus | Right. Entirely seperate. |
| 10:00.16 | Codayus | Seal of the Crusader is a palladin spell. |
| 10:00.18 | Corrodias | (like i said, an extremely nondescript one) |
| 10:00.23 | Corrodias | ah.. |
| 10:00.26 | Codayus | Crusader is a weapon enchantment. |
| 10:01.26 | Codayus | (If your curious, Crusader gives your weapon a proc - a small chance to heal you for 75-125 and add 100 strength for 15s. |
| 10:02.32 | Corrodias | interesting. how do you find this out? from what i could see, the weapon's enchantment just says "crusader". maybe i missed the actual description in the tooltip... |
| 10:02.55 | Codayus | The tooltip actually says...uh.... |
| 10:02.59 | Codayus | "Permanently enchant a melee weapon so that often when attacking in melee it heals for 75 to 125 and increases Strength by 100 for 15 sec." |
| 10:03.00 | Wob | hrm, is there any way to assign an array to a list of variables in lua? |
| 10:03.51 | Corrodias | that sounds like the description of the enchantment from the enchanter's tradeskill window |
| 10:03.58 | Corrodias | i mean what you see on the weapon's tooltip |
| 10:04.01 | Codayus | That's on the enchant itself (the tradeskill) An enchanted weapon will just say "crusader", with no description. |
| 10:04.05 | Codayus | Right. |
| 10:04.06 | Wob | er. by that I mean x,y,z = {1,2,3} so that x=1, y=2 and z = 3 |
| 10:04.19 | Corrodias | although that certainly explains how the fuck people learned what it means |
| 10:04.39 | Corrodias | i just want to do violence to the person at blizzard who is responsible for making the descriptions of "crusader" and "fiery weapon" |
| 10:05.04 | Iriel | Wob, x,y,z = 1,2,3 or x,y,z = unpack({1,2,3}) |
| 10:05.32 | Codayus | You need to...er...what Iriel said, yeah. :-/ |
| 10:05.47 | Wob | unpack =) Ta |
| 10:06.08 | Wob | It's for an existing array |
| 10:30.03 | Wob | bah, lua can't intelligently identify 'for i=5,1 do' as a reverse countdown =( |
| 10:31.04 | Iriel | You want i=5,1,-1 |
| 10:33.00 | Wob | yeah =) |
| 10:33.18 | Wob | I was just hoping lua could figure that out for itself =) |
| 10:33.42 | Iriel | Well, in the general case you really dont want it to |
| 10:33.44 | AnduinLothar | the computer only does what you tell it to do |
| 10:33.49 | Iriel | because you want for i=1,x to work predictably |
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| 10:37.03 | Shouryuu | rawr |
| 10:37.26 | AnduinLothar | i escared of teh..... um hi |
| 10:38.35 | Shouryuu | =P |
| 10:49.31 | Shouryuu | awww godam why ismy internet connection so jumpy... |
| 10:54.42 | Shouryuu | wow RTE's guild tool is badass |
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| 11:23.00 | Elkano | Good (whatever) :) |
| 11:30.06 | Corrodias | I JUST HAD A BREAKTHROUGH! |
| 11:30.14 | AnduinLothar | sounds costly |
| 11:30.39 | Corrodias | well, it'll cost me a trip or two through uldaman |
| 11:31.09 | Corrodias | see, i determined that my sound card was starting to produce a lot of static in the second-to-last week of the winter break because of the humidity |
| 11:31.25 | Corrodias | i turned the humidifier off for one night and the static was gone the next day, see |
| 11:31.44 | Corrodias | and it didn't return in the next few days, during which i kept it on low |
| 11:31.50 | AnduinLothar | hmm.... my pci sound card makes a lot of static too |
| 11:32.02 | AnduinLothar | but the built in one doesnt |
| 11:32.10 | Corrodias | well, i'm thinking that the humidity may also have been the cause of my WoW's pretty rare crashes |
| 11:32.27 | AnduinLothar | but it's hot and dry in here 24/7 |
| 11:33.29 | Corrodias | so i'm going to try a couple of uldaman runs (the final corridor made me crash twice in one run, before) and see if it is still unstable, now that i'm in this dry air. "check AGP aperture" is maybe a code phrase for "check your humidity level"? haha. |
| 11:33.35 | AnduinLothar | have had my mac overheat a few times tho. it gets a very interesting dos-like text freeze up the screen that you never seen from anything else.. |
| 11:34.07 | Corrodias | ...nifty. :| |
| 11:34.26 | AnduinLothar | I've taken a few pics, never seen any other mac do it before ever |
| 11:34.41 | AnduinLothar | but then it regularly gets about 90 in here |
| 11:34.46 | AnduinLothar | above* |
| 11:34.55 | Corrodias | eww... |
| 11:35.02 | AnduinLothar | I like the heat |
| 11:35.10 | Corrodias | really? that's unusual for a human |
| 11:35.35 | AnduinLothar | i don't sleep much either, so it might be that i'm not... |
| 11:36.39 | AnduinLothar | I found i can predictably crash my mac by waiting till it's about 95 degrees and then streaming music directly from the shared drive onto another computer (say music) for about 4 hours |
| 11:37.47 | AnduinLothar | apparently it doesn't like that |
| 11:38.06 | Corrodias | good thing you've identified the problem |
| 11:41.08 | AnduinLothar | well, I'm pretty sure i'm one of a very elite group of people to have caused such a crash on a single processor mac built into a dual proc enclosure with 7 independantly controlled fans, running music off the hard drive over ethernet to another computer and back through the mic input to convert to sudo-surround and pipe through my 7.1 revolution card in a room at a constant 90 degrees |
| 11:42.01 | AnduinLothar | it's 80+ in here right now and i have the fan on.. |
| 11:42.08 | AnduinLothar | and it's 3:40am |
| 11:42.46 | AnduinLothar | no heater unless you count the 3 computers |
| 11:51.19 | GenNMX|Thrae | 777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777. |
| 11:53.29 | Iriel | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=447 |
| 11:53.37 | Iriel | For anyone who wanted to see a screenshot of the statrings drag stuff |
| 11:54.04 | AnduinLothar | oh u slapped it on there instead of just making a round one? |
| 11:54.47 | Iriel | I wouldn't say anything was 'slapped on' anything else 8-) The drag test was intended for this use from the start. |
| 11:55.19 | Elkano | Iriel, I'm going to release the addon on curse today :) I wonder how the community will react :) |
| 11:55.50 | AnduinLothar | ;) |
| 11:55.52 | Iriel | Elkano : Hopefully well 8-) |
| 11:56.32 | Iriel | And now.. bed! |
| 11:56.50 | Elkano | good night to you :) |
| 12:02.07 | GenNMX|Thrae | 00000000 |
| 12:10.20 | Elkano | what was the function to convert string to numeric? |
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| 12:34.31 | AnduinLothar | tonumber() |
| 12:49.03 | AnduinLothar | Disney bought pixar. mmm |
| 12:49.25 | AnduinLothar | Making S. Jobs the largest single Disney shareholder.... |
| 12:49.50 | AnduinLothar | do you have any idea how scary that is |
| 13:04.32 | Elkano | as long as pixar keeps up their work wrt rendering I don't care that much |
| 13:05.11 | AnduinLothar | if i were a disney fan I'd be estatic |
| 13:06.50 | AnduinLothar | however, seeing as I live about 15 miles from disney land I might have to get a season pass soon, just to watch the evolution |
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| 13:18.28 | AnduinLothar | ... someone please tell me what's going on here.. http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=846 |
| 13:20.34 | AnduinLothar | and why haven't I ever seen it before.. |
| 13:23.00 | AnduinLothar | im jealous. his code is pretty |
| 13:23.25 | AnduinLothar | makes MobileMinimapButtons look like a hack |
| 13:24.18 | AnduinLothar | hasn't been updated since july tho |
| 13:26.58 | AnduinLothar | ok.. what's cool that isn't doing it's job anymore that I can rewrite.. |
| 13:33.41 | AnduinLothar | Eek. Sky.isChannelActive is not only completely innefficient but broken too.. |
| 13:45.35 | AnduinLothar | ah, but they fixed GetChannelName, good |
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| 14:13.14 | Shouryuu | rawr... |
| 14:13.21 | AnduinLothar | you again |
| 14:13.50 | Shouryuu | again... |
| 14:14.33 | Shouryuu | does any here know how to increase a songs bitrate? |
| 14:14.56 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 14:15.05 | Shouryuu | ok |
| 14:15.06 | AnduinLothar | you can't once it's been encoded |
| 14:15.07 | Shouryuu | I know |
| 14:15.09 | Shouryuu | I'm ignorant |
| 14:15.24 | AnduinLothar | well, you can but it wont sound any better |
| 14:15.42 | AnduinLothar | and it'll be bigger with duplicate bits |
| 14:15.57 | AnduinLothar | may even sounds worse if you changed codecs |
| 14:16.09 | Shouryuu | I have no idea what a bitrate even means |
| 14:16.16 | Shouryuu | I know people say high bitrate = good sound |
| 14:16.26 | Shouryuu | but I've never noticed a difference |
| 14:16.34 | Shouryuu | maybe I'm tone-death |
| 14:16.35 | AnduinLothar | how many bits are stored to represent the music per second |
| 14:16.43 | Shouryuu | aahhh |
| 14:18.46 | AnduinLothar | usual chopped pieces are sound wave range, period between frames and intermediate tone pieces |
| 14:19.15 | AnduinLothar | so usually high and low ranges get chopped because a human cant hear them |
| 14:20.05 | AnduinLothar | and a shorter word size is used to represent a sound wave, leaving out minute tone details |
| 14:20.29 | AnduinLothar | and period between capture is increased at lower rates |
| 14:21.05 | AnduinLothar | different codec also encode differently based on what they think is most discardable and in what priorety it is discardable |
| 14:24.07 | Shouryuu | wow |
| 14:24.21 | Shouryuu | I've just learned something =P |
| 14:24.50 | AnduinLothar | now about my teacher fee... |
| 14:26.18 | Shouryuu | arrgh there goes my internet connection again |
| 14:26.26 | AnduinLothar | I encode everything at 192bps ACC but most people can't tell the difference above 160mp3 (aprox 128acc) |
| 14:27.36 | AnduinLothar | so my files are a bit bigger but they sound great on emulated surround, studio stereo, sound stage ear buds and regular head phones.... |
| 14:28.14 | AnduinLothar | some times i encode the orchestral music at 256bps |
| 14:29.23 | Shouryuu | I must be tone death then |
| 14:29.30 | AnduinLothar | but i'm a musician, audiophile and audioholic.. |
| 14:29.37 | AnduinLothar | results may vary |
| 14:30.12 | Shouryuu | so how do you encode a song to hae high bitrate? |
| 14:30.13 | AnduinLothar | tone deaf usually doesn't have much to do with quality of the sound |
| 14:30.15 | Shouryuu | *have |
| 14:30.38 | AnduinLothar | my roomie is tone deaf. but he detests anything lower than 128 |
| 14:30.38 | Shouryuu | lol tone death/deaf... my god I am an idiot |
| 14:31.13 | AnduinLothar | tone deaf usually means you cant tell the difference between close pitches and can't reproduce pitch accurately |
| 14:31.25 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 14:31.26 | Shouryuu | that I knew |
| 14:32.17 | AnduinLothar | the perception of the quality of sound is harder to describe |
| 14:32.46 | AnduinLothar | it's easy to tell when they merge left and right channels completely into mono |
| 14:32.59 | AnduinLothar | sometimes they only go half way |
| 14:34.23 | AnduinLothar | and then there's stereo sudo-surround which is mixing the channels at lower levels with a slight delay so it sounds like it's bouncing off walls and entering the other ear |
| 14:35.00 | AnduinLothar | some people like it, some peeple hate it |
| 14:37.05 | AnduinLothar | untrained ears generally like it, but some audiophiles claim it's actually deteriorating the sound my removing some of the distintness and filling up the silence, which is also part of the music |
| 14:39.16 | AnduinLothar | whether you can actually tell the difference between surround and high quality sudo-surround is up for debat tho, because both are still only conversions from sonic waves by two eardrums and your skull as a resonance chamber |
| 14:39.31 | Shouryuu | lol |
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| 14:48.45 | elektro82 | Is this WoW as in Warcraft? |
| 14:48.52 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 14:50.01 | elektro82 | Has anyone been able to run it on linux? |
| 14:50.16 | AnduinLothar | some have, yes |
| 14:50.29 | AnduinLothar | using cediga i believe |
| 14:50.44 | elektro82 | cool, i'll be looking into that |
| 14:52.26 | elektro82 | Is this just a general discussion or is there a home page associated. I just found this browsing the channel list |
| 14:53.02 | AnduinLothar | it's general addon developer discussion |
| 14:53.13 | elektro82 | i c |
| 14:54.00 | elektro82 | and with that, im off, later |
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| 15:04.19 | Shouryuu | I'm off as well |
| 15:04.20 | Shouryuu | rawr out |
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| 15:24.43 | Wob | hrm, can anyone think of a way to get the itemid of a bag currently being used? |
| 15:25.37 | AnduinLothar | check the container code that assigns the tooltips |
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| 15:48.09 | AnduinLothar | morning bela, leg |
| 15:48.21 | Beladona | morning |
| 15:50.00 | Legorol | good afternoon |
| 15:50.22 | Legorol | bah, the topic is sensible again. how boring.. |
| 15:50.28 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 15:51.58 | *** topic/#WoWI-lounge by Beladona -> If you are happy and you know it, split a string! |
| 15:52.11 | AnduinLothar | been there, done that |
| 15:52.22 | AnduinLothar | I rewrote Sky.isChannelActive |
| 15:53.05 | Legorol | AnduinLothar, you are likely to have to rewrite it again :( they will add OOZ channels back at some point |
| 15:53.16 | AnduinLothar | i know, but i was bored |
| 15:53.19 | Legorol | hehe |
| 15:53.40 | AnduinLothar | it's prettier and more efficient now |
| 15:54.16 | AnduinLothar | and I used GetChannelName when applicable since they fixed it in 1.9 |
| 15:54.44 | AnduinLothar | it's still not smart, but at least it doesn't return the name as nil if you gave it an active name.. |
| 15:55.21 | Legorol | cool |
| 15:56.56 | AnduinLothar | er... damn still dumb |
| 15:57.12 | AnduinLothar | ooh, oops |
| 15:57.23 | AnduinLothar | my bad.. |
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| 16:11.20 | AnduinLothar | you came back |
| 16:15.14 | AnduinLothar | lol... |
| 16:15.21 | AnduinLothar | I wish my grass were emo.. |
| 16:15.34 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.17 | AnduinLothar | why look... LeaveChannelByName is stupid too... fixed |
| 16:25.03 | AnduinLothar | why legorol, you fixed EngTooltip. how nice of you |
| 16:25.16 | Legorol | ehm.. what? |
| 16:25.26 | Legorol | i did no such thing, i refuse those allegations |
| 16:25.33 | AnduinLothar | auctioneeraddon.com credits you |
| 16:25.41 | AnduinLothar | EnhTooltip* |
| 16:25.43 | Legorol | oh, right |
| 16:25.47 | Legorol | yes i did fix EnhTooltip |
| 16:26.14 | Legorol | The first fix they applied was a bit unreliable, so I came up with a different one |
| 16:26.27 | AnduinLothar | :) thx |
| 16:27.01 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.06 | Legorol | was it broken? |
| 16:27.08 | Legorol | didn't realise |
| 16:27.32 | AnduinLothar | lol, ya. We got surprisingly few reports |
| 16:27.40 | Legorol | what was wrong with it? |
| 16:27.47 | AnduinLothar | it wouldn't leave :P |
| 16:27.55 | Legorol | hm, must be something specific |
| 16:27.56 | AnduinLothar | zoned channels |
| 16:27.59 | Legorol | because i didn't have any problems |
| 16:28.06 | Legorol | oh right, zoned channels |
| 16:28.17 | Legorol | since 1.9, i couldn't join those, so coudln't leave them either :D |
| 16:28.22 | AnduinLothar | well even like General and Trade |
| 16:28.27 | Legorol | O.o |
| 16:28.30 | Legorol | i had no trouble leaving those |
| 16:28.39 | Tain | That's the first thing I do on a new character and I haven't had any issues. |
| 16:28.49 | Legorol | well, back to game |
| 16:28.51 | AnduinLothar | it's a Sky issue |
| 16:28.53 | Tain | Log in, /leave 1, /leave 3, /leave 4 |
| 16:28.55 | Tain | Oh. |
| 16:29.00 | Tain | Never mind then. :) |
| 16:29.06 | AnduinLothar | it was set to make sure it was active first |
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| 16:29.40 | AnduinLothar | which is good, except Sky.isChannelActive was broken due to the name changes to zoned channels |
| 16:31.05 | AnduinLothar | but only a few users noticed |
| 16:31.31 | AnduinLothar | so it must mean most Cosmos user don't leave the default zone channels |
| 16:32.06 | Shouryuu | how could I check if: my router is sudenly stoping sending packages to me, or if my internet provider provided me with shit? |
| 16:32.06 | Tain | Or already had previously and just hadn't started many new characters. |
| 16:32.23 | Shouryuu | *suddenly stops |
| 16:32.35 | AnduinLothar | O.o why would you want to? |
| 16:32.48 | Shouryuu | I get hit by HUGE lag spikes |
| 16:32.55 | Shouryuu | internet basicly stops |
| 16:33.05 | Shouryuu | and I don't know if it's my router of my provider |
| 16:33.15 | Shouryuu | and they are frequent, like every 10-15 mins |
| 16:33.54 | AnduinLothar | continually ping your router i spose |
| 16:35.24 | Shouryuu | yeah but if it's te connection it's self, the router is routing shit anyways, so if I get a bad ping from my router, I only learn that it's slow, not why |
| 16:35.35 | Shouryuu | in other words, I need to get before my router |
| 16:35.42 | Shouryuu | Ok I know how to |
| 16:35.51 | Shouryuu | sorry I'm a bit tired |
| 16:36.02 | AnduinLothar | pinging our router's local ip should work |
| 16:36.15 | AnduinLothar | rather than it's global ip |
| 16:37.25 | Shouryuu | how would I get it's local ip? |
| 16:38.43 | AnduinLothar | it's the ip you use to get to the control panel, usually 192.168.0.1 |
| 16:39.27 | Shouryuu | yeah well when I ping that |
| 16:39.39 | Shouryuu | when I lag, i get "request timed out" as an answer |
| 16:39.53 | AnduinLothar | then it might be your router |
| 16:39.59 | Shouryuu | ok thanks :P |
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| 16:57.43 | AnduinLothar | what's "City" in German and French? |
| 16:57.59 | AnduinLothar | ~translation |
| 16:58.20 | AnduinLothar | ~english/french City |
| 16:58.24 | AnduinLothar | meh |
| 17:01.17 | Shouryuu | city |
| 17:01.20 | Shouryuu | would be ville |
| 17:01.23 | Shouryuu | in french |
| 17:02.01 | AnduinLothar | German? |
| 17:02.12 | Shouryuu | no Idea |
| 17:02.15 | Shouryuu | I'd know in spanish |
| 17:02.18 | Shouryuu | but not german |
| 17:02.19 | Ktron | http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr |
| 17:02.27 | Ktron | that's my recommendation |
| 17:02.38 | Wob | I'd translate, but Babylon is taking too long to load up =P |
| 17:02.52 | Ktron | city and town both seem to translate to 'stadt' |
| 17:03.00 | AnduinLothar | ok, well what i really need to know is the string used in trade and lfg in capitol cities in wow |
| 17:03.11 | Shouryuu | I don't know that |
| 17:03.19 | Wob | That' you'd be better off asking on a board |
| 17:03.24 | Shouryuu | yup |
| 17:03.25 | AnduinLothar | Legorol, you around? |
| 17:03.26 | Ktron | yeah |
| 17:03.36 | Shouryuu | I can ask a french fan-forum if you want |
| 17:03.45 | AnduinLothar | leg has a french client i believe |
| 17:03.58 | Shouryuu | ok |
| 17:04.17 | Ktron | you could always rip it off another addon, right? |
| 17:04.36 | AnduinLothar | not necissarily |
| 17:05.01 | AnduinLothar | I highly doubt any other addons care... except the ones that 1.9 broke |
| 17:06.39 | Shouryuu | I once played on french servers with a US version |
| 17:06.39 | Shouryuu | and used an add-on to join to correct channels |
| 17:06.39 | Shouryuu | maybe that has them registered |
| 17:07.15 | Wob | It was called Stormwind City? |
| 17:07.39 | AnduinLothar | yes, but some of the translations didn't have the city part |
| 17:07.41 | Wob | You could pull it from that usage |
| 17:08.47 | Shouryuu | it was called Chat localizer |
| 17:08.57 | AnduinLothar | like german just says "Stormwind" i believe |
| 17:09.17 | Shouryuu | I'd dl it if my internet wasn't beeing an arse |
| 17:09.26 | AnduinLothar | because Stormwind Stadt doesn't sound right in german |
| 17:12.35 | AnduinLothar | mmm german uses Stormwind City.. |
| 17:12.40 | Beladona | hiya Clad |
| 17:14.07 | Shouryuu | and there goes internet |
| 17:14.07 | Shouryuu | weeepiiie |
| 17:15.19 | cladhaire | Heyas =) |
| 17:15.44 | AnduinLothar | now why are there two moderators in the SKy channel on kil'jaeden.. |
| 17:16.24 | AnduinLothar | mmm, looks liek they fixed the channel list name cap |
| 17:19.45 | Shouryuu | Anyone here have some good english poetry I could read? |
| 17:20.20 | Wob | what do you define as good? |
| 17:20.31 | Shouryuu | To define is to limit... |
| 17:20.58 | Shouryuu | Anything you like. I really enjoy (weirdly enough) old english |
| 17:21.32 | Shouryuu | I'm reading John Donne right now, read a bit of Poe and shakespeare, but anything is good |
| 17:22.02 | Wob | Seamus Heany |
| 17:22.16 | Shouryuu | I'll give that a try then |
| 17:22.24 | AnduinLothar | mmm, looks liek there's 173 people in LookingForGroup - City |
| 17:22.25 | Wob | ee cummings |
| 17:22.39 | Shouryuu | anduin you still need to cities in french? |
| 17:22.46 | AnduinLothar | and 297 in Trade - City |
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| 17:23.03 | Shouryuu | http://tixu.scribe.free.fr/ has cities/instances/mobs in french/english |
| 17:23.33 | AnduinLothar | nah. i have all the cities themselves. they've been localized in sky forever |
| 17:23.49 | Shouryuu | k cool |
| 17:24.02 | AnduinLothar | i'm looking for the new format which uses City at the end of the lfg and trade ones since 1.9 |
| 17:25.20 | Shouryuu | wow that program even has mobs in instances |
| 17:25.55 | Shouryuu | oh well |
| 17:26.00 | Shouryuu | monthy pythons here I come |
| 17:30.35 | cladhaire | Have they made it so we can rejoin LFG - City outside again.. or did that not make it for 1.9.2 |
| 17:31.24 | AnduinLothar | not yet |
| 17:32.46 | Wob | I miss that |
| 18:00.27 | AnduinLothar | :) This is about the only time i love my server... There's a PUG Onyxia going at 10am |
| 18:01.03 | Tem | Is that even possible? |
| 18:01.19 | Tem | sounds like it's going to fail spectacularly |
| 18:01.19 | AnduinLothar | I've downed her twice before PUG |
| 18:01.24 | Tem | wow |
| 18:02.00 | AnduinLothar | well. it's a 95% lvl 60 server |
| 18:02.12 | AnduinLothar | half the server is decked in epics |
| 18:02.31 | Wob | That sounds... boring =) |
| 18:02.49 | AnduinLothar | makes for a different dynamic, that's for sure |
| 18:02.58 | Wob | I can imagine =) |
| 18:04.17 | Tem | What somewhat angers me is that we are nearly 3 months into MC and Arcanist belt and Arcanist Shoulders have /never/ dropped |
| 18:04.23 | AnduinLothar | low level blues sell really well and are usually boutout |
| 18:04.44 | AnduinLothar | but most greens get vendored unless exceptionally special |
| 18:05.21 | Tem | meanwhile all 5 of our warlocks are in nearly full Felheart sets and most of them have a Nemesis hat too |
| 18:05.48 | Tem | /endrant |
| 18:06.03 | AnduinLothar | I don't actually like the Lightforge set.. |
| 18:06.13 | AnduinLothar | you'd think as a pally I would.. |
| 18:06.28 | AnduinLothar | but i have full LF and full Valor and don't like either |
| 18:06.37 | AnduinLothar | i much rather mismatch better blues |
| 18:12.31 | Tem | I know that feeling |
| 18:12.43 | Tem | I only have 3 peices of arcanist because I refuse to spend my dkp on it |
| 18:13.00 | Tem | I'd much rather mix and match with other things |
| 18:13.21 | Tem | (really I'm just making sure I'm the mage with the most dkp when we get into BWL |
| 18:13.22 | Tem | ) |
| 18:14.00 | Tem | Ok. Wasn't there a global function that returned the number of seconds since Jan 1970? |
| 18:14.06 | AnduinLothar | love how it's 75 degrees in here and i'm shivering |
| 18:15.15 | Tem | damnit! |
| 18:15.23 | Tem | it's based on client time |
| 18:15.32 | AnduinLothar | yup |
| 18:15.46 | Tem | I need a way to figure out the date based on the server |
| 18:16.06 | AnduinLothar | cant with seconds |
| 18:16.12 | krka | why? |
| 18:16.27 | AnduinLothar | best u get from the server is minutes |
| 18:16.30 | Tem | I don't need to be that accurate |
| 18:16.40 | Tem | I just need to know the date according to the server |
| 18:16.46 | krka | but why? |
| 18:16.54 | Tem | Calandar addon |
| 18:17.06 | Tem | I don't trust the user's machine to be right |
| 18:18.48 | krka | why not? |
| 18:18.56 | Tem | because users are dumb |
| 18:19.11 | krka | so? |
| 18:19.35 | Tem | and I guarantee someone would post a comment saying my calender was wrong because their machine had the wrong date |
| 18:19.39 | krka | if the users want an ingame calendar, tell them to set their date right |
| 18:20.17 | AnduinLothar | if their comp has the wrong date they A) wont be using addons, B) shouldn't be needing a calandar |
| 18:20.18 | Tem | well I think I might have just figured out a way to do it |
| 18:20.38 | krka | really? |
| 18:20.41 | Tem | os.date seems take an optional time argument |
| 18:20.55 | krka | can you get the server time argument? |
| 18:21.02 | Tem | bleh |
| 18:21.05 | Tem | not really |
| 18:21.12 | Tem | gayness! |
| 18:21.16 | Tem | oh well |
| 18:21.59 | Tem | krka: the other issue I'm that might be an issue is people in Australia playing on US Servers |
| 18:22.06 | Tem | wow |
| 18:22.10 | Tem | let my try that again |
| 18:22.23 | Cairenn | lol |
| 18:22.29 | Tem | krka: The other think that might become and issue is people in Australia playing on US servers. |
| 18:22.34 | AnduinLothar | thing* |
| 18:22.35 | Tem | s/think/thing/ |
| 18:22.43 | AnduinLothar | why loo, it's a cairenn |
| 18:22.49 | AnduinLothar | look even |
| 18:22.54 | Cairenn | Cair has been here for a while now |
| 18:23.00 | Tem | guess we're all a little dumb in the fingers this morning |
| 18:23.14 | AnduinLothar | Onyxia PUG ftw |
| 18:23.46 | Tem | becuase australia is something like 14 hours ahead of US time |
| 18:25.38 | Tem | which can often put their date ahead of the server's date |
| 18:25.47 | Tem | which would be bad |
| 18:26.22 | Wob | Oh don't worry, by the time the lag works itself out, it'll be about even =P |
| 18:26.29 | krka | just go with the local date, that's what people want to see anyway |
| 18:26.47 | Tem | krka: but then I have an issue syncing it |
| 18:27.04 | krka | syncing? |
| 18:27.12 | krka | sync with what? |
| 18:27.15 | Tem | Perhaps understanding the actual purpose of the calendar will fix your confusion |
| 18:27.30 | Tem | It's purpose is to show when the raidinstances will reset |
| 18:27.50 | Wob | Have the user enter in a timezone? |
| 18:28.07 | Tem | wow... |
| 18:28.11 | Tem | It's so simple |
| 18:28.12 | krka | you can calculate the time offset btw |
| 18:28.20 | krka | just get the hour value from server |
| 18:28.43 | Tem | krka: but how do you know if they are 6 hours ahead or 18 hours behind? |
| 18:28.49 | krka | that would have to be specified |
| 18:28.57 | Tem | (or some other value that would make sense) |
| 18:29.08 | krka | no, those are the only two options I think |
| 18:29.35 | krka | well, don't you know where the date zone is relative to the server location? |
| 18:29.44 | Tem | nope |
| 18:29.59 | Tem | remember they hid the server locations from us |
| 18:30.00 | krka | if you know which server it is, you can figure out if it's +18 or -6 |
| 18:30.08 | krka | well, calibrate it using yourself |
| 18:30.27 | Tem | huh? |
| 18:30.30 | krka | dol us-servers show the same time btw? |
| 18:30.40 | krka | or would a NY server show different server time than a LA server? |
| 18:30.46 | Cairenn | different |
| 18:30.48 | Tem | yeah they would be different |
| 18:30.54 | krka | you can figure out in which time zone a server is |
| 18:31.00 | krka | since you know which timezone you are in |
| 18:31.11 | Cairenn | they have "eastern, mid and western" time zone servers |
| 18:31.18 | krka | you'd have to include a list of servers and their timezones in your addon though |
| 18:31.23 | Tem | a NY server would show GMT-5 and an LA server would show GMT-8 |
| 18:31.24 | krka | but that should be easy enough to obtain |
| 18:31.41 | Tem | yeah no thanks |
| 18:31.56 | Tem | I'll use Wob's suggestion. Make the user tell me :) |
| 18:32.18 | Tem | If they don't know their own time zone, then the game is over and they lose. |
| 18:32.46 | Tain | How about if I know my time zone but I can't get my computer to stop giving it to me in GMT? |
| 18:32.47 | Wob | Rocks fall, everybody dies =P |
| 18:33.16 | Tem | maybe if I'm feeling particularly masochistic one day... |
| 18:34.08 | Tem | The "happy and you know it" song is evil. |
| 18:35.48 | Beladona | ok WTF |
| 18:35.58 | Beladona | Cide you there? |
| 18:37.23 | Wob | _,_,match = strfind("something*clapclap*something", "%*(%l*)%*") |
| 18:37.48 | Cide | yep Beladona |
| 18:38.15 | Beladona | have you heard any issues with CT_BuffMod not showing up? Mine is totally gone from the screen, and reset frames doesn't do anything for it |
| 18:39.14 | Cide | well, the only reason I can think of is because it's off screen really |
| 18:39.22 | Beladona | reset should fix that |
| 18:39.26 | Beladona | and I have deleted my WTF |
| 18:39.43 | Cide | it should, yep |
| 18:39.46 | Beladona | I reinstalled it, just to make sure, and it is enabled |
| 18:40.01 | Cide | are you ingame? could do /script CT_BuffMod_Drag:ClearAllPoints(); CT_BuffMod_Drag:SetPoint("CENTER", "UIParent", "CENTER") |
| 18:40.55 | Beladona | got it |
| 18:40.59 | Beladona | thats really weird |
| 18:41.06 | Beladona | maybe reset frames isn't picking it up? |
| 18:41.21 | Cide | it has been a bit bugged I admit |
| 18:41.24 | Beladona | even then though, it should still be there if I delete the config |
| 18:41.51 | Beladona | ahh well, thanks |
| 18:44.15 | Tem | wow... Hey krka, about that list of servers... |
| 18:47.27 | krka | yes? |
| 18:50.08 | Cide | you need a server list? |
| 18:54.13 | Tem | I'm considering it |
| 19:02.15 | Cide | I wrote a php script to parse the US and EU pages for all servers if you want it |
| 19:02.55 | Tem | I'm not sure I need it yet |
| 19:03.05 | Cide | let me know if you do |
| 19:03.25 | Tem | I think I'll just ask the user for the time offset between them and the server |
| 19:11.41 | Tem | I can guess their time offset pretty well as long as their system clock is right |
| 19:15.06 | Tem | Hmm anyone here on Europe servers? |
| 19:16.23 | Tem | or does anyone happen to know if MC, BWL, and AQ40 reset on tuesday or wednesday there? |
| 19:16.59 | Cide | wed I'm pretty sure.. I can ask |
| 19:17.11 | Tem | that would be my guess too |
| 19:17.30 | Tem | what's the EU community page link? |
| 19:17.36 | Cide | wow-europe.com |
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| 19:18.14 | Tem | thanks |
| 19:18.58 | Tem | boo' |
| 19:19.11 | Tem | that site doesn't have a raid calendar like the us one |
| 19:19.16 | Cide | that site fails |
| 19:19.25 | AnduinLothar | mmmm i have Blessign of Light and Greater Blessing of Light on me at the same time |
| 19:19.27 | Tem | ah nvm I found it |
| 19:19.27 | Cide | the us site has a xml page for server status |
| 19:19.33 | Cide | really easy to parse |
| 19:19.36 | Tem | and they do reset on wednesday |
| 19:19.43 | Cide | and the eu site has it all written out in tables... |
| 19:20.00 | Tem | ew |
| 19:24.37 | Tem | hmm os.date("%Z") returns the timezone name |
| 19:26.05 | Tem | now I just need a huge list of all the timezones and their GMT equivilant |
| 19:26.20 | Tem | oh screw that. I'm /not/ dealing with DST |
| 19:27.08 | Ktron | does everyone fonts look crappy? |
| 19:27.14 | Ktron | or is it just me? |
| 19:27.18 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tain (n=tain@c-66-31-196-19.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 19:28.09 | Tem | just you |
| 19:28.42 | krka | use %z instead |
| 19:28.49 | krka | that gives the hour offset from GMT |
| 19:29.05 | Tem | it does? |
| 19:29.09 | krka | yes |
| 19:29.12 | Ktron | bah, anyone know if there's a known cause? |
| 19:29.15 | krka | according to strftime |
| 19:29.52 | Shouryuu | what program can I use, to rip a CD so that the files on my HDD have a bitrate superior to 192? |
| 19:30.04 | Tem | krka: wow's version doesn't |
| 19:30.10 | Shouryuu | *rip as in take songs from a CD to my computer |
| 19:30.12 | Tem | %z and %Z seem to be the same |
| 19:30.13 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.14 | Tem | nope, it's lua not wow |
| 19:31.35 | Tem | Lua's os.date returns the same thing for %Z and %z |
| 19:32.13 | Tain | adding 56,000 songs to my iTunes library is taking a long, long time. |
| 19:32.33 | Cide | what have we learned then? don't add 56,000 songs to the iTunes library. |
| 19:32.53 | Tain | Shouryuu use EAC. |
| 19:33.02 | Tain | Exact Audio Copy. |
| 19:33.03 | Shouryuu | thanks |
| 19:35.21 | krka | oh |
| 19:35.34 | krka | then lua-users.org is lying :/ |
| 19:35.55 | krka | no, it's WoW that's being bad |
| 19:36.01 | Tem | no it's Lua |
| 19:36.02 | krka | Lua 5.0.2 Copyright (C) 1994-2004 Tecgraf, PUC-Rio |
| 19:36.02 | krka | > print(os.date("%z")) |
| 19:36.02 | krka | +0100 |
| 19:36.02 | krka | > |
| 19:36.13 | Tem | I just tested on my interpreter |
| 19:36.18 | krka | i just tested on mine :P |
| 19:36.26 | Tem | I have lua 5.0 |
| 19:36.32 | krka | me too |
| 19:36.32 | Tem | that's probably the deal |
| 19:37.23 | Tem | Lua 5.0.2 Copyright (C) 1994-2004 Tecgraf, PUC-Rio |
| 19:37.24 | Tem | > print(os.date("%z")) |
| 19:37.24 | Tem | Central Standard Time |
| 19:38.03 | Tem | we obviously have different OS |
| 19:38.54 | Tem | whare are you running? |
| 19:40.58 | Ktron | did you know you can get from swamp of sorrows --> deadwind pass --> redridge? |
| 19:41.13 | krka | linux |
| 19:41.16 | Tem | no, sure didn't |
| 19:41.32 | Tem | krka: that's why we are seeing different results. I'm running windows |
| 19:41.32 | krka | the question is what WoW os.date("%z") returns |
| 19:41.40 | Elkano | wasn't deadwind leeding to duskwood? |
| 19:41.43 | Wob | Hehe |
| 19:41.48 | Wob | I've never explored DWP |
| 19:41.51 | Wob | Too scared to =P |
| 19:41.53 | Tem | I'm pretty sure it maps to the current system's os.date |
| 19:41.54 | Ktron | you can climb way up into the mountains in the corner of the three areas, and by crossing a small about of deadwind go from the swamp to redridge... not sure if you can go the other way |
| 19:42.00 | Cairenn | yeah, deadwind is between swamp and duskwood |
| 19:42.04 | Ktron | s/about/amount/ |
| 19:42.29 | Wob | I like the Desolace->Feralas->Feathermoon path |
| 19:42.37 | Elkano | btw: Cairenn, is it possible to move an addon at wowi from beta to another categorie? |
| 19:42.45 | Wob | Saves you from having to trek all across Feralas |
| 19:42.45 | Cairenn | yup, just say the word |
| 19:43.28 | krka | does wowi allow for per-addon forums? |
| 19:43.35 | Elkano | since I just sent in the fist public release :) |
| 19:43.36 | krka | for bugtracking and requests and stuff |
| 19:43.56 | Cairenn | krka: it can |
| 19:44.01 | krka | cool stuff |
| 19:44.07 | Cairenn | Elkano: where do you want it? |
| 19:44.34 | Elkano | hmm... good question which would fit best... |
| 19:45.01 | Elkano | would be 'data mods', wouldn't it? |
| 19:47.03 | Cairenn | moved |
| 19:52.13 | Elkano | thx :) |
| 19:52.23 | Cairenn | you're welcome |
| 19:54.06 | krka | what kinda mod is that? |
| 19:54.19 | Cairenn | item db |
| 19:54.25 | krka | i see |
| 19:54.37 | krka | btw... is there any mod out there that simulates a real DB? |
| 19:55.19 | krka | put data in a db and then do queries :) |
| 19:56.50 | Elkano | Cairenn, when you move a thread in the forums, it will keep it's id, won't it? |
| 19:56.59 | Cairenn | yes |
| 19:57.08 | Cairenn | will move thread in a couple, sorry, forgot |
| 19:57.52 | Elkano | nothing to blame you for :) |
| 19:58.17 | Cairenn | moved |
| 19:58.35 | Elkano | thx :) |
| 19:58.47 | Cairenn | welcome |
| 20:00.09 | Elkano | oh, I just noticed I linked the post instead of the thread ^^ but it's still working :) |
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| 20:18.47 | kremonte | oi |
| 20:19.08 | Shouryuu | rhalo |
| 20:19.18 | kremonte | i dislike mountains now |
| 20:19.21 | kremonte | :( |
| 20:19.26 | Shouryuu | lol what happened? |
| 20:19.38 | kremonte | supposed to be a weekend snowboarding in vermont having fun, right? |
| 20:19.57 | Shouryuu | buuuttt |
| 20:19.57 | kremonte | well after 2 hours on saturday, i go up to the summit, hit a big patch of ice, break both wrists and got a concussion |
| 20:20.06 | Shouryuu | aaawwww |
| 20:20.07 | Cairenn | ACK |
| 20:20.31 | AnduinLothar | ur typing? |
| 20:20.36 | kremonte | T3? o_O |
| 20:20.40 | Wob | argh! =( |
| 20:20.45 | kremonte | AnduinLothar: dont need to use my wrists to type haha |
| 20:20.46 | Wob | Tylenol 3 I imagine =) |
| 20:20.47 | Cairenn | Tylenol 3 |
| 20:20.58 | kremonte | oh, tylenol doesnt work |
| 20:21.12 | kremonte | my body built up a resistance to it =P |
| 20:21.15 | Cairenn | Tylenol 3 is codeine :p |
| 20:21.21 | kremonte | codeine? o.O |
| 20:21.33 | Codayus | Mmmm, codeine. |
| 20:21.42 | kremonte | i justh ave an ice pack tied to both wrists |
| 20:22.22 | Cairenn | you're insane to be on the computer and typing ... |
| 20:22.34 | kremonte | well, it's all i do =P |
| 20:22.48 | AnduinLothar | amen |
| 20:24.56 | kremonte | well, thats a 7 hour car ride im not taking again for a year.. /phew |
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| 20:27.14 | Cairenn | hey Iriel |
| 20:27.19 | kremonte | hey iriel |
| 20:27.25 | Iriel | Afternoon |
| 20:27.27 | kremonte | how do you make purl do an onjoin message? |
| 20:27.34 | Shouryuu | rawr |
| 20:28.08 | Iriel | I didn't, someone else set it up (badly, it would appear) |
| 20:28.36 | kremonte | o_O |
| 20:28.47 | kremonte | hmm |
| 20:32.27 | krka | hey iriel, next challenge for you: make a Lua Database :) |
| 20:32.52 | Iriel | You mean in some form other than a table? |
| 20:32.56 | kremonte | lua database? |
| 20:33.14 | krka | something along the lines of sql |
| 20:33.47 | Shouryuu | lol how do you think people will react if I upload a file with a 11k bitrate? |
| 20:34.01 | MentalPower | Lua SQL would be a godsend |
| 20:34.36 | krka | the reason I want it is that I want a nice way to extract a set of items from my inventory / bag |
| 20:34.39 | kremonte | 11k bitrate o_O |
| 20:34.51 | kremonte | butyou cant react with sql in WoW.. huh |
| 20:34.54 | kremonte | i'm so confused |
| 20:35.15 | krka | select from bags, inventory where binding="soulbound" and equipslot="head" |
| 20:35.17 | krka | or something |
| 20:35.38 | krka | could do it with a simple sweep I suppose |
| 20:35.50 | krka | actually, never mind, it would be total overkill |
| 20:35.51 | Iriel | Ah, I tend to do things like that with iterators and selection functoins |
| 20:36.12 | krka | selection functions FTW |
| 20:39.13 | Iriel | The devil of course is in the details of your data representation |
| 20:41.43 | krka | hm? |
| 20:42.08 | Iriel | Well, how you represent the 'binding' and 'slot' ness of each thing |
| 20:42.54 | krka | well, that part is easy I think |
| 20:42.57 | krka | just scan the tooltip |
| 20:43.52 | Iriel | True, but you'd want to abstract it a bit if you're building a more generalized scheme (GetItemInfo helps too) |
| 20:44.23 | krka | well, when you're scanning the items, just gather all possible info |
| 20:47.53 | Tem|Food | I believe the INVTYPE tokens match the text on the tooltip |
| 20:49.22 | krka | ah, so localization wont be a problem? sweet |
| 20:50.06 | Tem|Food | oh nevermind |
| 20:50.21 | Tem|Food | the only ones that match are INVTYPE_2HWEAPON and INVTYPE_HOLDABLE |
| 20:50.36 | Tem|Food | but it doesn't matter |
| 20:50.52 | Tem|Food | because that is not the stuff you need to pull from the tooltip anyway |
| 20:51.16 | Shouryuu | this guy has an godly connection |
| 20:51.20 | Shouryuu | http://www.demonoid.com/forum/index.php?topic=69298.0 |
| 20:57.09 | kremonte | wow, 1tb in 50 hrs o_O |
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| 21:45.31 | Tem | That taco bell was so good it was practically orgasmic |
| 21:45.50 | Iriel | The days when that happens just feel better than normal ones |
| 21:46.06 | Iriel | I had a couple of delightful quesidillas in the last couple of weeks. |
| 21:47.02 | Tem | It's hard to believe that food that cheap can be that satisfying |
| 21:47.24 | kremonte | an IRC fast food ad |
| 21:47.26 | kremonte | =P |
| 21:47.48 | Tem | Taco bell should pay me |
| 21:48.22 | Iriel | I'd just like to say that I dislike trying to come up with 'simple UI's |
| 21:48.37 | Tain | I've eaten from Taco Bell maybe 5 times in my whole life. And that's probably overestimating. |
| 21:49.31 | Tem | Iriel: you mean idiot proof guis? |
| 21:51.07 | Iriel | Not necessarily even idiot proof, just easy to use |
| 21:51.25 | kremonte | simple as in? |
| 21:51.28 | Tem | It's been said that the epic struggle of the universe is programmers creating better idiot proof applications and the universe creating bigger and better idiots. |
| 21:51.35 | kremonte | as few buttons as possible? X) |
| 21:51.43 | Kirkburn | Make the on button incredubly hard to find? |
| 21:51.53 | Iriel | You're all not helping. |
| 21:51.55 | Kirkburn | No idiots could use it then :p |
| 21:52.13 | Iriel | I've also run into a wierd problem with frameStrata behaving exactly contrary to how I expect it to |
| 21:52.24 | Iriel | which is bothersome, because I thought I understood it |
| 21:52.26 | Tem | Iriel: how is that? |
| 21:52.48 | krka | damn, documenting my addon is hard work :/ |
| 21:53.00 | krka | especially given that no one will probably use it :P |
| 21:53.05 | Iriel | Well, I've got a bunch of frames (with textures) set as frameStrata="BACKGROUND" |
| 21:53.19 | Iriel | Then I have a bunch of other frames (with textures) set as frameStrata="FULLSCREEN" (I think) |
| 21:53.30 | Iriel | And the background textures are all showing up on top of the fullscreen ones |
| 21:53.48 | Tem | hrm |
| 21:53.51 | kremonte | krka: what addon? |
| 21:53.58 | Tem | are the background frames the parent of the fullscreen frames? |
| 21:54.05 | Tem | er, visa versa |
| 21:54.56 | Wob | vice versa? =) |
| 21:55.11 | Iriel | No, the FULLSCREEN ones have the BACKGROUND ones as parent |
| 21:55.35 | Iriel | And the BACKGROUND ones have WorldFrame as their parent |
| 21:56.43 | Wob | I wish the game would suggest other realms other than Argent Dawn if you select RP/US... |
| 21:56.52 | Wob | goddamn queues |
| 21:57.05 | Kirkburn | They've stopped char creation on many EU realms |
| 21:57.06 | Iriel | It always suggests Silver Hand to me |
| 21:57.07 | krka | GRAB |
| 21:57.14 | krka | you will see soon |
| 21:57.41 | Wob | What does GRAB do? |
| 21:57.46 | Kirkburn | I'm still in a state of confusion over the font changes, tbh ... I can use an xml files, but if I use lua, I can add options? |
| 21:58.12 | Iriel | It's more that you can update 'template' XML fonts from lua after the fact |
| 21:58.26 | Shouryuu | wow if you want to see a great anime try and find Magnetic Rose |
| 21:59.03 | Fanook | never heard of that one |
| 21:59.14 | Kirkburn | Okay ... is there any way of sending files in mIRC so I can show u what I've done at, just to see if i'm on the right lines? |
| 21:59.22 | Shouryuu | it's from one if the writters of Akira |
| 21:59.28 | Shouryuu | it's in a series called Memories |
| 21:59.48 | Shouryuu | really really nice music |
| 21:59.48 | Iriel | Kirkburn : Use wow.pastebin.com |
| 21:59.50 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Maldivia (n=the_real@62.61.134.59.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) |
| 22:01.05 | Fanook | shour: oohhh, it's from the same set of shorts as Stink Bomb |
| 22:01.26 | Kirkburn | Iriel: done |
| 22:01.30 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 22:01.40 | Shouryuu | I'm watching stink bomb right now =P |
| 22:01.56 | Iriel | Kirkburn : Then post us the url so we know which one to go to |
| 22:02.07 | Fanook | that's an interesting one. never actually seen it, but i have a great amv of it set with the imperial march |
| 22:02.46 | Wob | Maldivia: _,_,match = strfind("something*clapclap*something", "%*(%l*)%*") |
| 22:02.54 | Kirkburn | Iriel: I thought it gets listed on the list on the left ... http://wow.pastebin.com/518087 |
| 22:03.19 | Iriel | Kirkburn : it does, but that's hard to rely on when we're all using it (evidently not today) |
| 22:03.21 | Maldivia | Wob: I know how to split a string... :) |
| 22:03.26 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 22:04.13 | Wob | It's a topic fraught with... fraughtfulness. *nods* |
| 22:05.16 | Iriel | Kirkburn : Depending on how font paths versus sizes propagate, you may even be able to skip some of those SetFonts |
| 22:05.21 | Iriel | And line 92 doesn't make any sense to me |
| 22:05.37 | Kirkburn | Oh yeah, forgot to take that out |
| 22:06.07 | Iriel | That looks like a sound first try tho, once 1.10 hits. |
| 22:06.13 | Iriel | You'll want to put some ifs on the last set |
| 22:06.18 | Iriel | in case the addons in question dont exist |
| 22:06.42 | Kirkburn | Okies ... looks like the SCT override will crash and burn tho gives the v4 update he's done |
| 22:07.43 | Kirkburn | When I was going through it I was blindly copying stuff over from the lua so I used the Copy stuff as a kind of inherit thing (which was pointless obviously) |
| 22:08.00 | Kirkburn | *from the xml I mean |
| 22:08.03 | Wob | Hrm, it seems I can't get my Bindings.xml to show up the title of my category correctly? |
| 22:08.38 | Iriel | Wob: The labels go in you .lua code |
| 22:08.38 | Kirkburn | The ClearFont.xml file only needs to have "<Script file="ClearFont.lua"/> |
| 22:08.52 | Kirkburn | That was supposed to end in a '?' |
| 22:08.54 | Iriel | Wob: You put all-caps identifiers into the Bindings.xml |
| 22:09.06 | Iriel | Kirkburn : Just ditch the xml file entirely, and put ClearFont.lua in the .toc |
| 22:09.12 | Wob | Aha. Then put a variable in the lua |
| 22:09.16 | Wob | okies =) |
| 22:09.17 | Kirkburn | Okay |
| 22:09.38 | Iriel | Wob: yeah, grab my CameraKeys addon for an example (http://www.vigilance-committee.org/wow/downloads/) |
| 22:11.20 | Kirkburn | What kind of if asks if a mod is present? Or would I be 'if'ing the Font Objects (e.g. if GameFontLarger exists, then SetFont...) |
| 22:12.11 | Iriel | If you want to be properly paranoid, let me give you some sample code. |
| 22:12.20 | krka | Cairenn|afk! approve my addon or somethingf |
| 22:12.35 | Kirkburn | I wonder what 'afk' means :p |
| 22:12.57 | krka | Anxiously Fixing stuff for Krka |
| 22:13.07 | Kirkburn | Dammit, I couldn't think of anything ... |
| 22:13.29 | Kirkburn | I'd go with your suggestion |
| 22:13.34 | Tem | If I called an addon TiVo and it was for checking when raid instances would reset, would that make sense? |
| 22:13.52 | Kirkburn | She's probably recoding WoWI to show your's as the only addon krka |
| 22:14.10 | Iriel | Tem: No. |
| 22:14.13 | krka | that would kick ass |
| 22:14.25 | Tem | Iriel: Any suggestions? |
| 22:14.27 | krka | i agree with iriel |
| 22:14.32 | krka | ResetWatch |
| 22:14.39 | krka | RaidResetWatcher |
| 22:14.47 | Iriel | Kirkburn : http://wow.pastebin.com/518117 |
| 22:14.59 | Kirkburn | Watcherofresettingraids |
| 22:15.01 | Ktron | GatorRAID |
| 22:15.05 | Kirkburn | Iriel:thanks! |
| 22:15.17 | Tem | Ktron: lol! I love it |
| 22:15.28 | Wob | TiVo gives the impression of an addon frapsing the raids you can't make =P |
| 22:15.42 | Maldivia | wouldn't it be an idea to do something like: if IsAddOnLoaded("SCT") then --[[ change SCT fonts ]] end |
| 22:15.45 | Wob | (Which would be actually very cool =P) |
| 22:15.51 | Tem | Especially since I'm from an area where gators are pretty common |
| 22:16.18 | Iriel | Maldivia : That's risky if SCT ever gets edited |
| 22:16.19 | Ktron | OMGHOWLONG would be an okay name |
| 22:16.34 | Iriel | You're much better off checking the object exists and is the right type |
| 22:16.40 | Iriel | AreWeThereYet |
| 22:16.47 | Tem | lol Iriel |
| 22:16.47 | Ktron | yeah, AreWeThereYet isn't bad either |
| 22:16.56 | Tem | Cairenn|afk: suggested that exact name yesterday |
| 22:17.11 | Ktron | 321RAIDNOW |
| 22:17.13 | krka | AWTY |
| 22:17.15 | krka | doesn't really work |
| 22:17.18 | Tem | s/:// |
| 22:17.24 | krka | hmm |
| 22:17.28 | krka | NAWTY on the other hand |
| 22:17.33 | krka | just need to figure out what the N stands for |
| 22:17.40 | Kirkburn | Now? |
| 22:18.27 | Tem | lol I think Nawty is the name |
| 22:18.35 | Tem | and Now is what the N stands for |
| 22:18.37 | krka | any other mobs at wowi that can approve addons? |
| 22:18.43 | Wob | IfYouDon'tStopTeasingYourGuildMateI'mTurningThisEntireRaidAround... or IYDSTYGMITTERA for short |
| 22:18.45 | krka | s/mobs/mods |
| 22:18.52 | Kirkburn | I like 'mobs' |
| 22:19.01 | Tem | I do too |
| 22:19.21 | Kirkburn | You just better hope they're not flagged aggresive |
| 22:19.28 | Tem | pshh |
| 22:19.28 | Kirkburn | Or already tagged by other 'players' |
| 22:19.37 | Tem | I'm going right for Kael if he spawns |
| 22:19.43 | Tem | he's a rare you see |
| 22:19.46 | Wob | camper =( |
| 22:19.49 | Tem | they always drop good loot |
| 22:20.02 | Tem | s/loot/lewtz/ |
| 22:20.11 | Wob | Bah, you're stopping the hunters from being able to tame =( |
| 22:21.10 | Iriel | What's the max length on a frame name again? |
| 22:21.28 | Kirkburn | Well lets get back to the ClearFont raid ... iriel: How would that code work for, say, MonkeyQuestFont. I would replace "object" with that name, but where would the if/then statement come in? |
| 22:22.00 | krka | should be pretty long I guess |
| 22:22.01 | Iriel | You'd do if (IsFontObject(MonkeyQuestFont)) then -- all the stuff with that font -- end |
| 22:22.43 | Kirkburn | I'm getting the feeling that all the overrides would be pointless for a while after 1.10 hits since SCT and Monkey addons will be changed pretty rapidly |
| 22:23.24 | Iriel | Chances are folks will just change FontString virtual="true" to Font, and be done |
| 22:23.48 | Kirkburn | True, but sct has already changed to prevent my override |
| 22:23.50 | Iriel | One update you might make to that function would be to do |
| 22:24.22 | Iriel | if (object.SetFont and not object:IsObjectType("SimpleHTML")) |
| 22:24.31 | Iriel | instead of the test I have for IsObjectType |
| 22:24.59 | Iriel | then it'll work if it's a Font FontString EditBox ScrollingMessageFrame etc |
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| 22:28.19 | Kirkburn | Updated http://wow.pastebin.com/518138 with what I think you're suggesting |
| 22:29.01 | Iriel | I was going to put it into the function, like this: |
| 22:29.51 | Iriel | http://wow.pastebin.com/518139 |
| 22:30.56 | Kirkburn | So I'd just iterate the second part for each time it needs doing? |
| 22:31.33 | Iriel | Yup |
| 22:31.58 | Kirkburn | Cool! Sounds simple, hopefully will be ... Wondering if you knew how to put the outline settings (thick, normal) in? |
| 22:32.01 | Iriel | Anyone played with FauxScrollFrame much? |
| 22:32.07 | krka | oh well, I guess I can wait till tomorrow to see my addon get rejected |
| 22:32.12 | krka | time to sleep and stuff |
| 22:32.18 | Iriel | Kirkburn : It's a string after the size, , "THICK" etc |
| 22:32.19 | krka | (mostly stuff, maybe sleep) |
| 22:32.20 | Kirkburn | nighty night |
| 22:32.54 | Kirkburn | Iriel: I'd thought it might be the [, flag] bit, but wasn't sure and didn't want to spend 30 mins typing them all in :) |
| 22:34.01 | Iriel | Kirkburn : You should be able to play with the :SetFont stuff today using any visible FontString |
| 22:34.04 | Iriel | You just can't do it on the virtual ones |
| 22:34.29 | Kirkburn | All fonts.xml ones are virtual |
| 22:34.49 | Iriel | yes, but pick one on screen and play |
| 22:34.58 | Iriel | Like the zone name in the minimap cluster or something |
| 22:35.32 | Shouryuu | haha stink bomb is awsome |
| 22:36.26 | Kirkburn | I'll have a look once I get the net in my apartment (been waiting 2 months so far) |
| 22:36.43 | Fanook | sheesh |
| 22:36.49 | Kirkburn | I've updated http://wow.pastebin.com/518146 with an outline thingy |
| 22:37.00 | Kirkburn | I'm in italy, life works like that ... |
| 22:37.43 | Kirkburn | Once it arrives my landlord deserves a hige bottle of wine given the grief 'Wind' have given him |
| 22:37.52 | Kirkburn | *huge, methinks |
| 22:38.01 | Iriel | Kirkburn : yes |
| 22:38.07 | Kirkburn | Iriel: woo! |
| 22:41.13 | Kirkburn | In summary, to override the fonts.xml file, I only need SetFont stuff where I'm actually changing things. For addons, I use the code you gave me (thanks so much for that). Finally, for the addons, would I have to have some kind of loadlast thing? |
| 22:42.17 | Iriel | Well, for the addons, if you're feeling really brave you could keep track of which ones you haven't done yet, and re-check them every time you see an ADDON_LOADED event fire |
| 22:43.05 | Kirkburn | I'm not very brave. I've never coded (or seen) lua before in my life. |
| 22:43.14 | Kirkburn | Heck maybe I could just be a fool and do it anyway |
| 22:43.56 | Iriel | Well, many of us hadn't touched lua before wow |
| 22:44.42 | Kirkburn | I suppose that's true ... maybe I'll be making another [insert suitably complicated addon here] before the year is out |
| 22:45.19 | krka | i dare say almost most of us hadn't touched lua before wow |
| 22:45.37 | Kirkburn | Okay, one other question, how would I get ClearFont to turn on/off during play? Atm I can't see much need for it, but if I make a GUI for it, it might be useful |
| 22:45.42 | Shouryuu | I hadn't touched anything before |
| 22:46.07 | Shouryuu | and my code shows so :D |
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| 22:50.28 | Kirkburn | Well, it looks like I've got my job for tomorrow, redo the LUA file with new-found confidence that I'm actually doing the right thing :p |
| 22:50.43 | Shouryuu | dumb question but is it very hard to make a program to randomly generate a number from 1 ro 100 with a relative equaprobility for every number? As in each number has 1/100 of chances to get picked? |
| 22:50.55 | Kirkburn | That's exactly what it does now |
| 22:51.20 | Kirkburn | Otherwise rolling for drops isn't random :p |
| 22:51.26 | Fanook | shour: using the lua random(), it would be hard not to get a uniform random number |
| 22:51.29 | Shouryuu | I meant outside wow :P |
| 22:51.35 | Kirkburn | ah |
| 22:51.54 | Fanook | most standard random() functions give a uniform distribution |
| 22:52.06 | Fanook | depending on language, it might be between 0 and 1 or 0 and MAXINT |
| 22:52.13 | Shouryuu | yeah I know but I want to know if it's hard to make your own :P |
| 22:52.19 | Fanook | yes |
| 22:52.26 | Shouryuu | thought so =P |
| 22:52.28 | Kirkburn | Well, what do u want to make it in? |
| 22:52.33 | Wob | pretty much =) |
| 22:52.50 | Fanook | i actually had to evaluate a number of RNG's this past semester. the math made my head hurt |
| 22:52.59 | Shouryuu | RNG's? |
| 22:53.31 | Kirkburn | Rand Numb Gens |
| 22:53.45 | Kirkburn | Sorry, I meant Randy Nubile Gents |
| 22:53.54 | zespri | what are the coolest addons out there? is there a site that have a list of addons 'one can't live without'? |
| 22:54.05 | Shouryuu | ahh |
| 22:54.07 | Kirkburn | I always get the keyboard buttons mixed up |
| 22:54.15 | Shouryuu | that does make more sens |
| 22:54.17 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 22:54.20 | Kirkburn | Well, look at the most popular addons lists? |
| 22:54.45 | Kirkburn | Naturally my first answer would be: mine |
| 22:54.51 | krka | I would say mine :P |
| 22:55.06 | Kirkburn | Well, you'd be wrong |
| 22:55.07 | krka | other than that: EquipCompare is a must |
| 22:55.16 | Kirkburn | Well, I'd agree there |
| 22:55.19 | Fanook | Shour: if you really want to look into random number generation, i suggest googling for "mersenne twister" or "ranrot" |
| 22:55.24 | krka | DevTools is nice too |
| 22:55.26 | zespri | I duuno, for some reason addons that I consider most useful keep getting discontinued with nobody to pick up. BuffBot and Recap would be a few examples |
| 22:55.29 | Tem | krka: that's a matter of opinion |
| 22:55.37 | Tem | I find EC takes up too much screen space |
| 22:55.47 | Fanook | if you want to use the default character portraits, i suggest ShowLevel |
| 22:55.47 | Tem | and I'm far too lazy to read the other tooltip myself |
| 22:55.51 | Kirkburn | Still pretty damn useful |
| 22:56.08 | krka | i kinda like MiniGroup2 too |
| 22:56.24 | Kirkburn | Well, ClearFont has one of the largest effects on the game UI ... especially for those hard-of-sight |
| 22:56.32 | krka | AutoTravel was huge must for me, even got me to quit wow for several months |
| 22:56.47 | Shouryuu | fan - I'll take a look thanks |
| 22:57.13 | Kirkburn | krka: Confuzzled |
| 22:57.35 | zespri | So I thought, there must be some ppl out there that are coding some addons, because they think that these are very cool addons that will be a must have addon. if they don't code recap they mast code something at least as cool, right? =) |
| 22:59.23 | Kirkburn | Like me? |
| 22:59.35 | Shouryuu | The maths will probably be too complicated, but hell... |
| 23:01.25 | Fanook | live...action...Kite? |
| 23:04.15 | GenNMX|Thrae | Haha, I'm working on making a replacement to Recap and DamageMeters. |
| 23:05.59 | GenNMX|Thrae | I looked at Recap's code and didn't like it, easier to just make a new one from stratch. |
| 23:06.30 | Tem | everyone has their own coding style |
| 23:06.37 | Fanook | recap's ui wasn't all that hot either, imo |
| 23:06.51 | GenNMX|Thrae | Exactly Tem -- Recap's coding style just didn't mesh with mine. |
| 23:08.02 | Tem | I dunno, Gello seems to have a real talent for UIs |
| 23:08.18 | Tem | Everything he does is GUI-licious |
| 23:09.08 | Shouryuu | aww great the maths are explained in english... the suxors |
| 23:09.23 | Fanook | lol |
| 23:09.42 | Fanook | no formulae for you! |
| 23:09.57 | GenNMX|Thrae | What math? |
| 23:10.02 | Shouryuu | what's invertible? f()^-1 doesn't exist? |
| 23:10.36 | Fanook | other way around, i think. if f() is invertible, then it has an inverse. |
| 23:10.38 | Tem | Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? |
| 23:10.53 | Shouryuu | Thunder botls and lighting! |
| 23:10.58 | Shouryuu | VERY VERY frightning me! |
| 23:11.00 | Fanook | so, f(x) != 0 for any x, iirc |
| 23:11.08 | Shouryuu | iirc? |
| 23:11.14 | Tem | not quite Shouryuu |
| 23:11.16 | Fanook | if i remember correctly |
| 23:11.21 | Shouryuu | yeah I skiped a bit sorry |
| 23:11.35 | Shouryuu | but it's in the song! (I think) |
| 23:11.44 | Shouryuu | aahh |
| 23:11.46 | Tem | Shouryuu: yeah later |
| 23:13.24 | Shouryuu | I'm sorry I don't know the whole song by hear =( |
| 23:13.27 | Shouryuu | *heart |
| 23:13.49 | Tem | I see a little stiletto of man |
| 23:13.52 | Tem | whoops |
| 23:13.54 | Iriel | Invertible means that there exists f'(x) such that if y=f(x) then f'(y) == x |
| 23:14.10 | Kirkburn | Indeed |
| 23:14.19 | Tem | I see a little silhouetto of man |
| 23:14.30 | Fanook | yeah, that's it |
| 23:14.59 | Kirkburn | Has CurseGaming gone down? |
| 23:15.18 | Tem | Send the bolts of lightning very very frightning me |
| 23:15.23 | Tem | Galileo! |
| 23:15.26 | Fanook | kirk: looks that way |
| 23:15.54 | Shouryuu | He's just a poor boy... |
| 23:15.56 | Tem | Galileo figaro! |
| 23:16.02 | Tem | and yes that is next |
| 23:16.16 | Shouryuu | man you've got it my head! |
| 23:16.21 | Tem | lol |
| 23:16.28 | Tem | well here try this on for size |
| 23:16.36 | Tem | "Everyone loves Magical Trevor..." |
| 23:16.43 | Shouryuu | aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 23:16.47 | Shouryuu | noooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 23:17.04 | Tem | sorry Iriel |
| 23:17.18 | Shouryuu | I'm going to bed |
| 23:17.20 | Tem | "Well, here, try this on for size:" |
| 23:17.21 | Cide | Tem: Trevor! |
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| 23:17.33 | Fanook | cause everything he does is ever so clever |
| 23:17.33 | Shouryuu | Trevor and RNG are b ad for your health |
| 23:17.40 | zespri | GenNMX, Tem, as for me I liked recap ui. on my opininon one of the best ui's |
| 23:17.47 | Shouryuu | Look at him, disapearin' a cow... |
| 23:18.06 | Shouryuu | well 'night young ones |
| 23:18.07 | Fanook | where is the cow, hidden right now. |
| 23:18.11 | Tem | later Shouryuu |
| 23:18.16 | Tem | I hope you dream Trevor |
| 23:18.16 | GenNMX|Thrae | zespri: I never said I disliked Recap's UI |
| 23:18.27 | zespri | and every time a new version came up I was quite surprised to find new and new useful features I couldn't think of beforehand - the author as quite resourceful |
| 23:18.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | I might steal it |
| 23:18.30 | Tem | zespri: I agree. Gello does fantasic work. |
| 23:18.44 | Fanook | i said i didnt like it so much |
| 23:18.57 | Tem | Everywhere the wind blows... |
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| 23:19.19 | Tem | oh look it's Guillotine |
| 23:19.25 | Fanook | i loved the features, but the config and display were the downpoint for me |
| 23:19.37 | Tem | Hey Guillotine, "Everyone loves Magical Trevor...." |
| 23:19.44 | Guillotine | hehe |
| 23:19.47 | Fanook | we are ebil |
| 23:19.47 | Guillotine | i like that tip |
| 23:20.08 | Tem | Guillotine: yeah... I had to turn on old music to get rid of it because of your "tips" |
| 23:20.18 | Guillotine | haha |
| 23:20.31 | Guillotine | i blame whoever in this channel gave me the link to that movie |
| 23:20.34 | Guillotine | and the llama movie |
| 23:20.43 | Tem | Iriel: I've never been very good at using commas, but I'll gladly put way too many in my statements if it makes you feel better. |
| 23:20.51 | zespri | another thing that I looked for was a replacement to CastParty. Tried mimi-groups, tried GroupButtons, and another 2 or three addons wasn't satisfied and returned back to castparty. |
| 23:20.53 | Fanook | here's a llama, there's a llama, and another little llama... |
| 23:20.56 | Kirkburn | llama llama llama |
| 23:21.00 | Iriel | Tem: 8-) |
| 23:21.03 | Fanook | DUCK! |
| 23:21.07 | Tem | ~llamasongpart1 |
| 23:21.09 | purl | here's a llama there's a llama and another little llama fuzzy llama funny llama, llama llama duck. llama llama cheesecake llama tablet brick potato llama, llama llama mushroom llama, llama llama duck. |
| 23:21.23 | GenNMX|Thrae | zespri: Tried WatchDog? |
| 23:21.26 | Fanook | tablet brick? that's not right... |
| 23:21.31 | Tem | yeah it is |
| 23:21.32 | Iriel | Tem: I just meant: Thunder bolts and lightning, very very frightening..." |
| 23:22.03 | AnduinLothar | ~llamasongpart2 |
| 23:22.06 | GenNMX|Thrae | zespri: AceHeal also has efficient healing and hooks invisibly into various addons like NeedyList and CTRA. |
| 23:22.20 | zespri | yes I did. It was about 4 months ago, and there were something that I didn't like about it either. Can't remember what now. |
| 23:22.25 | Kirkburn | There's a part two? |
| 23:22.31 | Tem | 4 actually |
| 23:22.34 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well, WatchDog isn't necessarily pretty |
| 23:22.38 | Tem | but the second one never stuck |
| 23:22.46 | Tem | I think the third one didn't stick either |
| 23:22.49 | Tem | ~llamasongpart3 |
| 23:22.51 | purl | did you ever see a llama kiss a llama on the llama, llama's llama tastes of llama, llama llama duck. half a llama twice the llama not a llama farmer llama in a car alarm a llama llama duck. |
| 23:22.51 | Tem | ~llamasongpart4 |
| 23:23.00 | Tem | ah no the third one stuck but the forth didn't |
| 23:23.24 | AnduinLothar | part 2 didn't play either |
| 23:23.27 | Fanook | did you ever see the way the orange slayed the rake? |
| 23:23.41 | AnduinLothar | ~llamasongpart2 |
| 23:23.46 | AnduinLothar | no love |
| 23:23.51 | zespri | basicaly what I want is one click healing that dosn't choose healing spell for me but chooses spell rank and has mana conversion feature. I want very thin ui, just a bar showing missing party health, and I want it to be usable for insta-casts when running |
| 23:23.56 | Tem | yeah... I'll have to fix em |
| 23:24.11 | Tem | maybe later. I don't feel like having that loop in my head for a 5 hours today |
| 23:24.25 | GenNMX|Thrae | zespri: Yes, that's exactly what WatchDog can do. I'd try it again. |
| 23:24.40 | Tem | Iriel: Oh. Well, with music punctuation seems pretty pointless considering none of it is full sentences |
| 23:24.49 | zespri | I will try it again. |
| 23:24.54 | GenNMX|Thrae | AceHeal also does exactly that, except it doesn't have a UI, it just provides pick a spell rank and mana conversion features. |
| 23:25.33 | AnduinLothar | lazy healers.. |
| 23:25.37 | Fanook | huh, it is tablet brick. my mistake |
| 23:25.46 | zespri | Anduin, lol |
| 23:26.02 | Tem | Fanook: You lack faith |
| 23:26.19 | Tem | Fanook: I had that #$%@ing song playing for like 3 hours straight one day |
| 23:26.25 | Fanook | i misremembered it :) |
| 23:26.35 | Fanook | i had numa numa playing that long once |
| 23:26.48 | Tem | I could probably sing the whole thing right now |
| 23:26.56 | AnduinLothar | healing's already boring enough. you might as well at least use some of your brain and hand eye coordination picking targets.. |
| 23:27.00 | Tem | "I could have helped you, but I won't" |
| 23:27.33 | Fanook | it's always a good sign when you confuse reality with West Wing |
| 23:27.47 | zespri | Anduin, you know, different people have different concept of fun, there is nothing wrong about it |
| 23:28.30 | GenNMX|Thrae | AnduinLothar: I suck at FPSes, I have very poor twitch control and poor ability to make quick decisions. |
| 23:29.00 | Tem | sounds like you're just a lousy gamer =P |
| 23:29.04 | GenNMX|Thrae | I don't think that should be a large factor in being good at a MMORPG. |
| 23:29.12 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tem: I am a master at strategy and RPGs :D |
| 23:29.18 | Tem | heh |
| 23:29.24 | AnduinLothar | well i dont mind if it buffs and curse using aq_buffbot actually, but if i just hit a button repeatedly and wait for cooldown for infinite flash heals i might as well be a bot.. |
| 23:29.35 | zespri | Tem, what a person should do if he is a lousy gamer and still wants to play. I'm a lousy gamer |
| 23:29.48 | Tem | l2p? |
| 23:30.02 | Tem | (sorry I couldn't help it) |
| 23:30.15 | Tem | (I hate all the orly l2p crap) |
| 23:30.19 | zespri | not funny. there are things you can do and things you can't |
| 23:30.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | AnduinLothar: Well, it's one thing to use CastParty_DoEverything(), we're just asking for stuff like "Use Rank 2 if Rank 3 would overheal" |
| 23:30.51 | GenNMX|Thrae | I still need to choose whether to cast Healing Touch, Regrowth, or Rejuvination |
| 23:30.57 | Guillotine | hmmm. guys. I got a question. I just came up with concept for a priest grinding bot. it can do everything but loot with the default ui as long as you spam a key (e.g. so I could read while leveling up my priest). think this would be frowned upon? |
| 23:30.58 | Guillotine | can even find mob positions |
| 23:31.26 | Tem | write it |
| 23:31.32 | Tem | but don't release it |
| 23:31.49 | kremonte | heh' |
| 23:31.53 | GenNMX|Thrae | Guillotine: Write it and give it to slouken, he'll appreciate it |
| 23:31.59 | kremonte | find mob positions? |
| 23:32.00 | Guillotine | ok |
| 23:32.02 | AnduinLothar | you cant tell what direction you're facing any more |
| 23:32.03 | GenNMX|Thrae | slouken: Dammit you finally did it :( |
| 23:32.23 | Guillotine | Anduin: you can by moving forward for one second and seeing what direction your coordinates increase |
| 23:32.36 | SP|Sorren | slouken: how'd you get my bot?! |
| 23:32.40 | SP|Sorren | ;P |
| 23:32.52 | Guillotine | and you can get nearby mob positions with mind vision. it counts its position as yours |
| 23:33.03 | kremonte | o_o |
| 23:33.06 | SP|Sorren | thats hax lol |
| 23:33.23 | kremonte | wow |
| 23:33.31 | SP|Sorren | do it, they'll finally fix mind vision if you do! |
| 23:33.38 | Guillotine | how is it broken? |
| 23:33.42 | SP|Sorren | no los checks |
| 23:33.44 | SP|Sorren | or anything ;P |
| 23:33.47 | SP|Sorren | its cheap as hell in wsg |
| 23:33.49 | Guillotine | ya. thats how its supposed to be |
| 23:33.51 | Guillotine | rank 2 at least |
| 23:33.53 | Guillotine | rank 1 has LOS |
| 23:33.54 | Iriel | You'd have to cast mind vision, have is succeed, then get the location, then drop out of it, then hope the mob doesn't move |
| 23:33.54 | SP|Sorren | thats horrible |
| 23:34.10 | Iriel | I dont really see it as exploitable in all but the most retarded of scenarios |
| 23:34.18 | Guillotine | Iriel: right. but you can just pull the mob to you once you're nearby with SW:P |
| 23:34.20 | AnduinLothar | well you can always walk most of the way and then agro it |
| 23:34.21 | Tem | but that sounds like a really good exploit for WSG though |
| 23:34.23 | Guillotine | you don't need to be exaclty at it |
| 23:34.23 | Kirkburn | If the mob is blind and deaf for example |
| 23:34.45 | Guillotine | you're a priest, so its not like you're going to be meleeing anyway :/ |
| 23:34.54 | Kirkburn | Mace him, mace him! |
| 23:34.57 | Guillotine | dont have to be exactly at it. jut close |
| 23:35.07 | AnduinLothar | kep walking till in range |
| 23:35.11 | Tem | if GetPlayerMapPosition returns the location of the mind-visioned player in WSG |
| 23:35.14 | Tem | that's pretty shitty |
| 23:35.23 | Guillotine | it does :) |
| 23:35.28 | Tem | that's horrible |
| 23:35.35 | Guillotine | why? you can see it on your minimap anyway |
| 23:35.41 | Guillotine | your position and everything becomes theres |
| 23:35.56 | Guillotine | theirs* |
| 23:36.00 | SP|Sorren | i think it should only show you want the other person can see if you were zoomed in to first person view, and not give any minimap info :P |
| 23:36.10 | krka | you could just rotate and do targetnearestenemy to figure which direction it's in |
| 23:36.26 | AnduinLothar | if he's close enogh |
| 23:36.39 | Kirkburn | Random question: just how often does slouken visit? |
| 23:36.40 | Guillotine | right. they have to be pretty dang close for targetnearestenemy to work though |
| 23:36.42 | krka | isn't that true for mind vision too? |
| 23:36.43 | Tem | man, that's even more cheap than I thought it was fr WSG |
| 23:36.50 | Guillotine | Kirkburn: like 1-2 times a week |
| 23:36.54 | krka | how does a bot target without it? |
| 23:37.07 | Kirkburn | What happens when he arrives? Spam village? |
| 23:37.15 | Tem | no |
| 23:37.20 | Kirkburn | Spam city? |
| 23:37.24 | Tem | no |
| 23:37.26 | Guillotine | no TargetByName (or whatever the name is) has a much longer range than TargetNearestEnemy |
| 23:37.28 | Kirkburn | Spam town? |
| 23:37.30 | Guillotine | no |
| 23:37.32 | Guillotine | lol |
| 23:37.34 | Iriel | Kirkburn : Not often, and we're asked to not bug him about wow stuff. |
| 23:37.38 | Guillotine | Cairenn kicks anyone that tries to bug him |
| 23:37.40 | AnduinLothar | channel header usually says 'dont bug slouken' |
| 23:37.42 | Iriel | Occasionally it ocmes up in normal conversation |
| 23:37.43 | Guillotine | hes just here to relax |
| 23:37.44 | Kirkburn | Heh |
| 23:37.54 | Iriel | But generally,keep the wow stuff to the forum |
| 23:38.07 | Tem | The topic is usually something like "UI Dev Channel. Patience. Courtesy. Leave slouken alone." |
| 23:38.07 | Kirkburn | If i was a US citizen, that'd be find and dandy :) |
| 23:38.15 | Kirkburn | *fine |
| 23:38.34 | Guillotine | ahhh. you can't access the US forums? |
| 23:38.37 | SP|Sorren | you could ask someone else to post for you :P |
| 23:38.38 | Guillotine | you can have one of us post it |
| 23:38.46 | Tem | aye |
| 23:38.51 | AnduinLothar | post bots ftw |
| 23:38.54 | Guillotine | im sure most of us would be happy to :) |
| 23:38.54 | Tem | we're all willing to help you post |
| 23:39.01 | Kirkburn | I know ... but for most EU people, they don't know about you lovely people |
| 23:39.23 | Guillotine | you guys have a ui person too though, don't you? I see him posting ont he forums sometimes |
| 23:39.31 | Kirkburn | It's somewhat of a problem for the million of us over there |
| 23:39.40 | Kirkburn | We do? |
| 23:39.58 | Iriel | Sometimes EU folks email me things to post |
| 23:40.36 | Guillotine | Aeus? |
| 23:40.39 | Guillotine | or is he just a CM? |
| 23:40.44 | Kirkburn | Aeus and Thundgot are EU CMs, we have no proper slouken guy (hardly surprising, there's only one slouken!) |
| 23:41.03 | Guillotine | lol |
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| 23:41.03 | Iriel | It's worth noting that slouken isn't a "UI Developer" either |
| 23:41.15 | kremonte | hes a phony! |
| 23:41.15 | Kirkburn | Oh? |
| 23:41.30 | da5id | *gasp* |
| 23:41.48 | Iriel | But I think he wrote most/all of the frame support stuff |
| 23:41.53 | AnduinLothar | they musta filled that spot, but we never heard who it was... that's dissapointing |
| 23:41.56 | Kirkburn | I have noticed that he mentions that other people are doing stuff, but I just put it all to modesty :p |
| 23:42.50 | Iriel | There are several 'UI developers' |
| 23:43.01 | Kirkburn | Well he and the others are doing a damn good job |
| 23:43.05 | Iriel | One visits the forum very occasionally |
| 23:43.36 | Guillotine | iriel: did you know that the CMs from other zones are copying+pasting your posts? lol |
| 23:43.37 | Kirkburn | Are there any other games that have this kind of support, cause I've never come across it |
| 23:43.47 | Guillotine | not really. slouken is one of a kind ;) |
| 23:43.51 | Kirkburn | Yeah, it's true, they do |
| 23:43.57 | AnduinLothar | right, but they took the add down from the front page a long time ago and no one from the community said they got it.. |
| 23:43.58 | Iriel | Guillotine : No, but that's nice.. My posts have been copy-pasted into the patch notes before. |
| 23:44.04 | Kirkburn | lol! |
| 23:44.08 | Guillotine | lol |
| 23:44.24 | da5id | meh, it happens much, you learn to ignore it. |
| 23:44.32 | Kirkburn | I think I remember recognising that once, iriel |
| 23:44.33 | kremonte | Iriel is a dev in disguise. A british ninja! D: |
| 23:44.34 | Iriel | Kirkburn : CoH used to (and maybe still does) have some very involved devs in general, but doesn't have a customizable UI so not in the same way |
| 23:44.37 | AnduinLothar | they should pay u |
| 23:45.06 | Kirkburn | The EU forums are the world of copy+paste, but we've learned to live with it |
| 23:45.08 | Cide | Iriel: you need to make up some demonic messages using every Xth character in your posts from now on |
| 23:45.24 | Kirkburn | It's not Blizz Europe's fault, it has to be said |
| 23:45.25 | Guillotine | ya, we all suggested Iriel apply for the UI developing position, but, alas, he didn't :( |
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| 23:45.30 | kremonte | Cide: rofl |
| 23:45.36 | Iriel | Game jobs dont pay all that well |
| 23:45.41 | Guillotine | ya |
| 23:45.42 | Iriel | Plus I dont want to move |
| 23:45.52 | da5id | depends though, aeth (my forum) gets paid a good 150000 a year |
| 23:46.05 | Tem | heh |
| 23:46.10 | kremonte | ya, i don't get why people have to move to do programmer work |
| 23:46.12 | da5id | he does graphix design stuff, also does some gming for wow |
| 23:46.14 | Guillotine | we understand why you didn't. but it would have been cool for Iriel to be in blue... |
| 23:46.17 | Tem | A friend of mine gets paid quite well |
| 23:46.32 | Tem | course that's because he was the lead game designer for Half Life |
| 23:46.38 | kremonte | o_o |
| 23:46.42 | Kirkburn | Still with VALVe? |
| 23:46.46 | Tem | now he's Mr Bigshot |
| 23:46.48 | Iriel | I wouldn't say no to light blue VIP posting, but I guess we dont feature in UI land. |
| 23:47.03 | Kirkburn | Get slouken to pester Cay! |
| 23:47.07 | kremonte | The forgotten lands of the User Interface |
| 23:47.22 | Kirkburn | You deserve MVP status |
| 23:47.25 | Tem | Iriel: Did you see my greasemonkey script that makes you and Cair Forum MVPs? |
| 23:47.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | Iriel: Yeah, it furthers my belief that slouken is the "black sheep" of the WoW developers. |
| 23:47.39 | kremonte | Tem: lol |
| 23:47.41 | Kirkburn | You mean he listens? |
| 23:47.47 | AnduinLothar | anyway.. .has anyone noticed that you can have multiple Blessings of Light ? |
| 23:47.51 | da5id | yes. |
| 23:47.54 | Iriel | I dont think he's so much the black sheep, as someone who really believes in the whole community aspect of things and what it can do |
| 23:47.57 | Tem | kremonte: no I think he's with Sierra now |
| 23:48.07 | da5id | i think they are fixing that for the next patch. |
| 23:48.10 | AnduinLothar | I had two greaters and one normal BoL on me today at onyxia |
| 23:48.13 | kremonte | AnduinLothar: yeah, but kings > light x 2 =p |
| 23:48.25 | AnduinLothar | we had 8 pallies |
| 23:48.26 | kremonte | well, kings + light > light x 2 |
| 23:48.30 | kremonte | 8 pallies ? wtf |
| 23:48.33 | da5id | h8 for pallys... |
| 23:48.34 | AnduinLothar | PUG |
| 23:48.36 | da5id | much h8 |
| 23:48.37 | kremonte | oh |
| 23:48.43 | kremonte | ...onyxia pug? o_O |
| 23:48.45 | da5id | and this is coming from a warlock ^^; |
| 23:48.49 | kremonte | lol da5id |
| 23:48.57 | da5id | hm? |
| 23:49.08 | AnduinLothar | ya, this is my third pug ony... it just takes longer, usually multiple tries |
| 23:49.15 | kremonte | i just got ony attuned 5 mins beforemy guild did onyxia on thurs, got in, and beat a new guildie lock to nemesis helm |
| 23:49.21 | kremonte | easiest epic ever |
| 23:49.24 | GenNMX|Thrae | Iriel: There's a large outcry against the power of Lua and how it can over-simplify WoW. I bet the designers, especially those that came from EQ, are mixed on the idea. |
| 23:49.44 | Kirkburn | The community don't neccessarily help with GAME issues, but for the UI it has to be said the community knows what's best, so I'm not surprised |
| 23:50.29 | Kirkburn | (to a limit, obviously) |
| 23:50.29 | kremonte | im paper rock is fine nerf scissors |
| 23:50.39 | da5id | how true |
| 23:50.47 | Iriel | GenNMX|Thrae : I think a good 75% of that 'debate' is misinformed. |
| 23:51.37 | Kirkburn | Remember, addons are optional |
| 23:51.43 | GenNMX|Thrae | Iriel: The people are always right -- take a look at the USA ;) Misinformed or not, it represents the people's feelings on the subject. |
| 23:52.07 | GenNMX|Thrae | Kirkburn: That argument doesn't fly. Hacks are also optional, but Blizzard deemed them illegal. |
| 23:52.12 | Kirkburn | For the UI that can be right to an extent, but cannot always extend to the actual game |
| 23:52.20 | Iriel | GenNMX|Thrae Just because someone may believe something, doesn't make it true. |
| 23:52.22 | kremonte | people are always right? i remember a post about a guy saying damagemeters scans his computer and can give him spyware |
| 23:52.37 | Kirkburn | Sounds liek the stupid cosmos.exe thing to me |
| 23:52.59 | Kirkburn | And *then* there was the Warden 'scare' |
| 23:53.06 | da5id | what was that? |
| 23:53.07 | Kirkburn | WoW is fun to be around :) |
| 23:53.22 | Kirkburn | Which, da5id? |
| 23:53.28 | da5id | the warden scare |
| 23:53.45 | kremonte | like the wow launcher? lol |
| 23:53.45 | da5id | <- has been away from Wow for quite some time (pseudo retired) |
| 23:53.47 | Kirkburn | WoW runs the 'warden' program in the background checking for hacks running |
| 23:53.47 | Iriel | I do believe there ARE some game issues which the API exacerbates |
| 23:53.50 | kremonte | its all viruzez!! |
| 23:53.55 | GenNMX|Thrae | Iriel: Well, there's a difference between truth and popular opinion. Unfortunately, the two get mixed up a lot. |
| 23:54.08 | GenNMX|Thrae | Especially with a commericial game. |
| 23:54.17 | da5id | wait, was that the same thing that everyone made a big deal about for TfT? |
| 23:54.33 | Kirkburn | TfT? |
| 23:54.37 | da5id | wc3 |
| 23:54.38 | kremonte | wc3 tft |
| 23:54.47 | Kirkburn | Dunno, probably |
| 23:54.51 | Fanook | no, Warden was added around what, patch 1.6? |
| 23:55.00 | kremonte | 1.7 i think? |
| 23:55.10 | kremonte | dont think it was 1.6... |
| 23:55.13 | Fanook | checks for common WoW hacks |
| 23:55.15 | Kirkburn | It scans the titles of programs running at the same time as wow and send info to blizzard |
| 23:55.29 | Fanook | correction. it sends the hashes of the names to Blizzard |
| 23:55.38 | Kirkburn | And only suspect ones! |
| 23:56.09 | Kirkburn | Basically, Warden is safe and GOOD, Cosmos is safe, Dmgmeters is safe, it's all ... safe :) |
| 23:56.38 | Kirkburn | And the WoW Launcher was an excellent idea |
| 23:57.01 | Kirkburn | For people who are resticted to net cafés it's a god-send |
| 23:57.39 | kremonte | the guy thought that since damagemeters could see what damage he does, it must be scanning it from his computer..lol :] |
| 23:57.52 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 23:58.14 | Kirkburn | Programs Files deals 120bytes of damage to C:\Windows |
| 23:58.29 | kremonte | nah |
| 23:58.34 | Kirkburn | Windows parries Program's blow, crashes PC |
| 23:58.57 | kremonte | ~/.cedega/ deals 42kB Fire Damage to / |
| 23:59.00 | kremonte | :D |
| 23:59.09 | Kirkburn | Er ... okay |
| 23:59.11 | Guillotine | Kremonte dies |
| 23:59.19 | kremonte | lies |
| 23:59.24 | kremonte | i have 340gb |
| 23:59.25 | Guillotine | no, Dies |
| 23:59.34 | Fanook | kirk: don't mind us. we're all a little mad here |
| 23:59.34 | Kirkburn | I'd be plugging ClearFont now if someone was authorizing WoWI addons :) |
| 23:59.35 | kremonte | Kremonte lies. hah |
| 23:59.38 | Guillotine | so? a gaurdian of blizz hit you |
| 23:59.39 | Tem | ATI's execute crit's ~/.cedega/ for 5800 memory exceptions |
| 23:59.42 | kremonte | ohhh |
| 23:59.43 | Tem | You die |
| 23:59.47 | kremonte | noo! |
| 23:59.53 | Tem | Your equipped items suffer a 10% durability loss |
| 23:59.55 | Kirkburn | Hah, I have 400Gb. On my other PC. Which is 1000+ km away |
