| 00:07.03 | Cairenn | wow |
| 00:07.15 | Cairenn | I just got a thank you! |
| 00:11.54 | AnduinLothar | from who? |
| 00:12.20 | Cairenn | JIM the Inventor |
| 00:12.33 | Cairenn | just the fact I got a thank you from *anyone* |
| 00:12.45 | Iriel | Hm, I'm sure i've said thank you to you before 8-) |
| 00:13.34 | Cairenn | there are some few that say it, but it isn't anything I'm used to by any stretch of the imagination |
| 00:13.37 | AnduinLothar | um, i swear i fixed that earth bug.. |
| 00:15.33 | Iriel | So.. should I take the leap and go from Interface\AddOns\AddonName to AddonName in my build.xml file? |
| 00:15.44 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 00:21.12 | Tain | Absolutely yes. |
| 00:21.48 | Iriel | Ok.. I'll send anyone who gets confused to you two 8-) |
| 00:22.45 | Tain | I have answers for them. |
| 00:24.01 | Cairenn | "grow a brain" isn't usually appreciated, Tain ;) |
| 00:27.17 | Iriel | Ooh, I just had an idea, I can write a boilerplate 'How to install' document, and have my build process search and replace the addon name when I make the zip file |
| 00:27.59 | Legorol | Iriel, the dump function in DevTools, does it produce a dump that is compatible with the savedvariables format? |
| 00:28.16 | Iriel | Legorol: No, it's intended for readability by humans. |
| 00:28.27 | Iriel | Legorol: Though it wouldn't be too hard to change it. |
| 00:28.32 | Legorol | savedvars are pretty readable too |
| 00:28.37 | Legorol | what are the differences? |
| 00:28.52 | Iriel | truncation of overly long things |
| 00:29.02 | Iriel | functions are done differently |
| 00:29.11 | Iriel | Self-referential objects print properly |
| 00:30.12 | AnduinLothar | how did u print self refrencial tables? |
| 00:30.23 | Legorol | hm, good point, what does savedvar do with self referential tables? |
| 00:30.26 | Legorol | does it crash? |
| 00:30.33 | Legorol | and how are functions output? |
| 00:30.38 | Legorol | yeah, i know i could just check, but... lazy |
| 00:30.47 | AnduinLothar | i know i saw ChatFrame1 evaled in the ss |
| 00:31.05 | Iriel | I suspect it crashes |
| 00:31.16 | AnduinLothar | frames are easy cause you can use GetName, but what if it's not a frame, then how do you get the name? |
| 00:31.19 | Iriel | functions et al are output as nil with comments |
| 00:31.33 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : I remember what name I see things as as I print it out |
| 00:31.36 | Iriel | so if you output X |
| 00:31.45 | Iriel | and X.Y.Z == X.Y |
| 00:31.58 | Iriel | it'll use "X.Y" as the name |
| 00:32.21 | AnduinLothar | lol, duh. i did that too, silly me. now where did that code get to |
| 00:32.44 | AnduinLothar | Legorol do you have the patched version of Earth? I dont think it made it on svn and now i cant find it |
| 00:33.52 | Iriel | I annotate functions also, if I've seen them in the global environment |
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| 00:36.08 | Legorol | AnduinLothar, let me look around |
| 00:36.13 | Legorol | i thought we did commit to SVN |
| 00:37.55 | AnduinLothar | one i see still has the table.getn(parents) >= 4 crap i think |
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| 00:38.46 | AnduinLothar | and i swear i rewrote that.. |
| 00:39.01 | Legorol | yah we did rework that, hm, let me see if i've got it somewhere |
| 00:39.27 | Legorol | Is SVN working now? |
| 00:39.42 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 00:40.10 | AnduinLothar | someone needs to hound thott and get that shit fixed cause it's been down a week |
| 00:41.30 | Iriel | While you're at him, mention that T is a poor choice for an important global variable in ThottBot |
| 00:41.32 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 00:41.47 | AnduinLothar | ? we can just change that... |
| 00:41.59 | Legorol | well, with that obfuscated crap, i wouldn't there.. |
| 00:42.11 | Legorol | you'd need to parse the code to make sure that references to T are not local in all places |
| 00:42.19 | AnduinLothar | or you can change it and ill diff to make sure ur not malicious and update it |
| 00:42.33 | Legorol | *there = dare |
| 00:43.02 | AnduinLothar | just change the declaration to local and eval T in game |
| 00:44.15 | Iriel | It uses RegisterForSave too |
| 00:44.26 | AnduinLothar | hmm, apparently someone on my server has the Swift Zulian Tiger |
| 00:44.34 | AnduinLothar | im jealous |
| 00:45.58 | AnduinLothar | well anyway, leg can we remember what we did to it? |
| 00:48.07 | Legorol | yeah |
| 00:48.22 | Legorol | shall we take this to a cosmos channel? |
| 00:48.25 | AnduinLothar | k |
| 00:49.22 | Cairenn | meh, you are welcome to keep it here if you wish, although I also understand taking it to your own channel |
| 00:51.47 | Tain | I'm glad I noticed this wasn't a microwavable pizza before I cooked it. |
| 00:59.54 | Iriel | Was it (not microwaveable) or (not pizza) ? |
| 01:01.00 | AnduinLothar | or (tooBigForMicrowave) |
| 01:01.45 | Tain | Not microwavable. |
| 01:01.49 | Tain | Thankfully I do have an oven. |
| 01:07.10 | pagefault | more like who doesn't have microwave |
| 01:07.29 | Tain | Ah but I even know how to use the oven. |
| 01:07.37 | Cairenn | actually, you are more like to find someone without a microwave than you are to find someone without an oven |
| 01:07.47 | Cairenn | yeah, well, that's a different matter completely Tain |
| 01:07.48 | AnduinLothar | microwaves are like $50 now |
| 01:07.48 | pagefault | haha I laugh at that, I have friends who have literally no idea how to use the oven |
| 01:08.08 | Iriel | I had no microwave when I lived on my own |
| 01:08.17 | Legorol | I had no oven for a long time and lived on a microwave |
| 01:08.24 | Cairenn | as I said, Iriel :) |
| 01:08.29 | Legorol | Especially student accomodation at university has microwave but no oven |
| 01:08.32 | pagefault | well you can get away with the microwave for a lot these days |
| 01:09.06 | Iriel | Though I did have a Toaster Oven for those 'smaller' meals |
| 01:09.06 | Tain | When my family got our first microwave our stove broke entirely shortly after. |
| 01:09.06 | Tain | We cooked everything with the microwave for a while. |
| 01:09.06 | pagefault | I love cooking though, so I use everything I can get my hands on |
| 01:09.33 | Tain | When necessity forces it on you you learn how to cook things that people don't think you can cook with a microwave. |
| 01:10.17 | pagefault | those new microwaves are as good as an oven |
| 01:10.42 | Tain | It's the ones that are part microwave, part convection oven that are amazing. |
| 01:10.44 | Iriel | I dont like what microwaving does to the texture of much food |
| 01:11.10 | AnduinLothar | good for soup |
| 01:11.15 | pagefault | well the newer ones are so good you can't tell the difference |
| 01:11.17 | Iriel | I do enjoy their re-heating abilities, but I dont really like COOKING with them |
| 01:11.20 | pagefault | i've seen people make bread in them before |
| 01:11.31 | Tain | There's an art to microwave cooking. |
| 01:11.37 | Legorol | i agree with Iriel, only use microwave for reheating |
| 01:11.52 | Legorol | currently, i don't have a microwave.. it took a bit of time to learn how to reheat stuff with the oven (which i do have) |
| 01:12.05 | Tain | You can make things that will taste excellent and have a good texture, you'll never get the browning though which is the biggest problem. |
| 01:12.15 | Tain | But just tossing something in on high for 10 minutes won't do it. :) |
| 01:12.30 | Iriel | an 18lb turkey doesn't fit in my microwave either |
| 01:12.32 | pagefault | yeah or you will get a burned outside and a frozen inside |
| 01:12.35 | pagefault | turn the power down |
| 01:12.36 | pagefault | hehe |
| 01:12.48 | Legorol | It also took a while to figure out how to defrost stuff using the oven |
| 01:12.55 | Legorol | without starting to cook it |
| 01:12.58 | Iriel | I've yet to have a baked potato from a microwave that I like |
| 01:13.11 | Tain | I'm not saying I would only use the microwave, just that when necessity forces it on you you learn. :) |
| 01:13.13 | Iriel | Though some hybrid potato attempts aren't bad |
| 01:13.29 | Legorol | I prefer ovenable pizza to microwaveable one |
| 01:13.33 | Legorol | very different texture |
| 01:13.48 | Tain | Of course, dough will alwyas be that way. |
| 01:13.53 | Iriel | *nod* @Lego |
| 01:14.02 | pagefault | dough still rises in the oven thats why it has to be cooked slowly |
| 01:14.17 | Tain | Still, there's a time and a place for both. |
| 01:14.47 | Tain | It takes me about.. hrm 12 hours minimum to make a good pizza dough to cook in the oven. |
| 01:14.54 | pagefault | 12 hours? |
| 01:14.57 | Tain | And five minutes to microwave a frozen. |
| 01:15.03 | Tain | So there's a lot of middleground. :) |
| 01:15.14 | Tain | Yeah, I always let my dough rise overnight in the refridgerator. Slow rise. |
| 01:15.18 | pagefault | ahh |
| 01:15.28 | pagefault | I was thinking you were doing like 5 punchdowns |
| 01:15.30 | pagefault | or something |
| 01:15.38 | Tain | No, just two. |
| 01:15.50 | Tain | One rise overnight, then the next day once you get it back to room temperature. |
| 01:15.56 | Tain | Then it's ready to go! |
| 01:15.58 | pagefault | nice |
| 01:16.10 | pagefault | I find making your own bread is very rewarding, as soon as it comes out of the oven, nothing can beat thayt |
| 01:16.29 | Tain | Yep. |
| 01:16.44 | Tain | I made some garlic rosemary bread to take over to my family for Thanksgiving. |
| 01:16.54 | Tain | From the oven, to hte car, to their house. :) |
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| 01:17.14 | pagefault | hehe |
| 01:17.24 | Flisher_Coding | Hello, Anyone know how to change the alpha of a Backdrop (and not the whole frame) ? |
| 01:17.42 | Cairenn | so, wait, are you guys trying to tell me that you are domesticated? |
| 01:17.45 | AnduinLothar | get the name of the frame |
| 01:18.04 | Iriel | You coul duse Frame:SetBackdropColor(r,g,b,a) |
| 01:18.06 | Tain | I'm a hunter gatherer. |
| 01:18.21 | Iriel | But you'd need to know the original color |
| 01:18.25 | Tain | Hey Cairenn, why do women have such small feet? |
| 01:18.46 | Tain | So they can get closer to the damn oven! |
| 01:18.49 | Flisher_Coding | ok |
| 01:18.55 | Cairenn|afk | FU Tain |
| 01:18.59 | Tain | :) |
| 01:19.07 | Cairenn|afk | ;) |
| 01:19.09 | pagefault | hahaha |
| 01:19.16 | Cairenn|afk | anyway, I really am out for a bit, later guys |
| 01:19.25 | pagefault | Tain was probably the one who wanted +100 to cooking and tailoring for females in WoW |
| 01:19.28 | pagefault | just kidding :) |
| 01:19.37 | Tain | When I get home from work my woman better have it ready and waiting on the table for me! You know, the takeout menu for me to go pick up dinner. |
| 01:19.46 | Flisher_Coding | thank iriel, I didn't realized that the a is from 0.000000 to 1.000000, soo 50 is like 1 :) |
| 01:20.20 | pagefault | whats funny is some of the best chefs in the world are men though |
| 01:20.28 | pagefault | so the stereotype really makes no sense |
| 01:20.30 | Tain | Of course. |
| 01:20.52 | Tain | Women *could* be great chefs. If they weren't crazy. |
| 01:21.01 | pagefault | yeah they are crazy |
| 01:21.05 | pagefault | but we still love them |
| 01:21.13 | Tain | And make them dinner. |
| 01:22.13 | pagefault | i'm probably going to be the one cooking when I get married |
| 01:22.18 | pagefault | my gf can't cook a thing |
| 01:22.40 | Tain | hehe I'm more likely to just not let her in the kitchen. |
| 01:23.14 | Flisher_Coding | anyone know an addons using "/ra" as slashcmd? |
| 01:23.51 | Tain | erm Is there a RaidAssist addon? |
| 01:24.04 | Flisher_Coding | CT_RaidAssist |
| 01:24.18 | Tain | oh ok and that uses ctra right? |
| 01:24.19 | Flisher_Coding | I got a /ra doing nothing but no trigerring an error |
| 01:24.32 | Flisher_Coding | ctra is ct_raidassist :-P |
| 01:24.34 | Iriel | Isn't /ra 'talk on raid channel' ? |
| 01:24.43 | Flisher_Coding | A cookie for Iriel :-P |
| 01:24.46 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 01:24.58 | Flisher_Coding | Any suggestion for RaidAwareness? |
| 01:25.01 | Tain | Oooh that's a good point |
| 01:25.15 | Tain | heheh geez, "Is there a RaidAssist addon?" Wow. That's bad. |
| 01:25.25 | Legorol | Anyone here uses QuestHistory? |
| 01:25.27 | Tain | How about /raw |
| 01:25.35 | AnduinLothar | meat |
| 01:25.50 | Flisher_Coding | Legorol: stopped using all quest stuff due to alot of corruption, and saved variable of an awesome size :-P |
| 01:26.05 | Flisher_Coding | ./raware? |
| 01:26.21 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.32 | Tain | That sounds like Scooby Doo giving a warning. |
| 01:26.32 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.48 | Tain | Raggy! rerare the rarewolf! |
| 01:27.01 | Iriel | Is this a slash command that'd be used a lot? |
| 01:27.07 | Iriel | Like, several times an hour? |
| 01:27.12 | Iriel | Or just once or twice? |
| 01:27.19 | Iriel | per session (or ever) |
| 01:27.40 | Tain | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.42 | Flisher_Coding | to open the menu only |
| 01:27.51 | Iriel | Then why not go with /raidaware |
| 01:28.06 | Iriel | no sense using a short name for an infrequent thing |
| 01:28.07 | Flisher_Coding | will open/close the panel, can be closed with a "x" |
| 01:28.11 | AnduinLothar | does it cure raid viruses? |
| 01:28.24 | AnduinLothar | like... auto-boot ninjas |
| 01:28.34 | Flisher_Coding | it's a pluging for ctraid, that track all class special cooldown / spell ability |
| 01:28.37 | Tain | I'm not the only one who went off in the corner with some of those spectral citizens, huh |
| 01:28.58 | Flisher_Coding | ie: Blessing of Kings ability, Fear ward ability/timer, Intimidating shout |
| 01:29.00 | Tain | Oh you mean a different kind of virus? |
| 01:29.13 | AnduinLothar | sweet, blew up earthand got 328 error messages |
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| 01:29.29 | Gryphen | hah |
| 01:29.49 | AnduinLothar | all cause i left out 'then' |
| 01:30.02 | Shirtan|AFK | anyone ever worked with PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED and tracking abbilities? |
| 01:30.08 | AnduinLothar | lol, yes |
| 01:30.18 | Gryphen | hehe |
| 01:31.01 | Shirtan | and noticed if 1.9 changed it into not firing when you stop tracking something? |
| 01:31.46 | AnduinLothar | no idea |
| 01:32.00 | Iriel | I've noticed that the timing of PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED appears to be different |
| 01:32.16 | Iriel | With respect to actions |
| 01:32.27 | AnduinLothar | it is. you can now equip automaticly when u lose the mount aura |
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| 01:32.30 | Iriel | But I haven't seen any tracking issues |
| 01:32.42 | Shirtan | well it still fires nicely when you start tracking and also when you switch, but not when you stop |
| 01:34.13 | Iriel | So the icon by the minimap stays even when you have no aura? |
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| 01:34.47 | Shirtan | no it goes away as it should but before 1.9 it also gave PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED when you canceled your tracking or died |
| 01:35.07 | Iriel | So that's what I'm asking |
| 01:35.22 | Iriel | if you cancel your tracking using /script CancelTrackingBuff()... |
| 01:35.33 | Iriel | ...does the minimap icon still say you're tracking? |
| 01:35.41 | Shirtan | no it goes away |
| 01:36.11 | Iriel | Then you're doing something wrong |
| 01:36.17 | Iriel | Because it's just using PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED |
| 01:36.38 | Shirtan | well i didnt try using the function only rightclicking it |
| 01:37.07 | Shirtan | i use it in flexbars to pop buttons depending on what you are tracking, and it worked fine pre 1.9 |
| 01:37.07 | Iriel | Either way, the code would imply it only needs PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED |
| 01:37.28 | Iriel | Ah.. is flexbar looking at the skill activation state? |
| 01:37.33 | Iriel | Or at GetTrackingTexture() ? |
| 01:37.59 | Shirtan | i pop a GetTrackingTexture on PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED and then check for nil value |
| 01:39.16 | Iriel | That's what the minimap does. |
| 01:39.24 | Iriel | Maybe there's an issue elsewhere in flexbar? |
| 01:40.56 | Tem | Oh Noes! |
| 01:41.14 | Tem | (completely unrelated to what you are talking about) |
| 01:41.38 | Tem | I just found out that my "favorite" officer in my guild quit the guild |
| 01:42.24 | Shirtan | hmm guess ill try to register the event outside fb as well and see if that one fires ok |
| 01:42.52 | Iriel | Shirtan : You could hook MiniMapTrackingFrame's OnEvent handler |
| 01:43.06 | Shirtan | hmm i could do that as well |
| 01:43.13 | Iriel | That sucks |
| 01:43.15 | Iriel | (to tem) |
| 01:49.01 | pagefault | what the hell |
| 01:49.17 | pagefault | I think it takes less time to fly to org from winterspring than it does to fly there |
| 01:49.25 | pagefault | it's like 4:50 to fly to org |
| 01:49.32 | pagefault | but 5:something to fly to wintersprint |
| 01:49.38 | pagefault | +g |
| 01:52.25 | Beladona | night all, gonna bug out a bit early. I have been at work during the midnight hours two nights in a row so kinda running on empty atm =) |
| 01:53.21 | Shirtan | Iriel: yeah you are right, it does fire |
| 01:57.30 | Cairenn|afk | night Bela |
| 02:06.51 | GenNMX | Is anyone else having problems with the login server and getting onto their realm? I'm on Maelstrom. |
| 02:07.17 | Shirtan | Iriel : guess the timer on the change made it work before |
| 02:10.00 | Tem | ASDFLKJSEICDSFDFS! |
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| 02:11.48 | Fanook|Zzz | Hey Guil |
| 02:11.55 | Guillotine | hello fanook |
| 02:11.57 | Guillotine | good morning |
| 02:12.11 | Natasem | i know i know, OFN, but justfor thoes that don't know: Linux/BSD still exposed to WMF exploit through WINE! http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/index.php?p=146&tag=nl.e550 |
| 02:12.17 | Fanook | did 1.9 break comedictips? |
| 02:12.30 | Guillotine | no. 1.9 MADE comedictips |
| 02:12.40 | Guillotine | there were no tips whatsoever before 1.9 |
| 02:12.59 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 02:12.59 | Guillotine | is it not working for you? |
| 02:13.00 | Fanook | hmmm, my install doesn't seem to be working |
| 02:13.17 | Guillotine | are you windows or mac? |
| 02:13.22 | Fanook | windows |
| 02:13.26 | Guillotine | hmm... |
| 02:13.31 | Guillotine | are you sure its in the right place? |
| 02:13.35 | Guillotine | you installed it in the data folder? |
| 02:13.39 | Fanook | checking that now :) |
| 02:13.55 | Fanook | yeah. GameTips.dbc is in the WoW/Data folder |
| 02:14.10 | Fanook | but i only see the normal tips ingame |
| 02:14.30 | Guillotine | it shouldn't be ;) you were supposed to extract the zip folder into Data folder |
| 02:14.36 | Guillotine | the path is already there |
| 02:14.39 | Fanook | ah, that would be it then :) |
| 02:15.08 | Fanook | i extract my mods to the desktop :) |
| 02:15.45 | Fanook | didn't even cross my mind the folder would be necessary |
| 02:16.33 | Guillotine | it wasn't before 1.9 |
| 02:16.44 | Guillotine | now the folders matter |
| 02:17.02 | Fanook | which is good |
| 02:17.35 | Guillotine | yup |
| 02:20.20 | Guillotine | wow... a low population realm now has a 227 person que... |
| 02:20.28 | Guillotine | I joined a low population realm for a REASON |
| 02:21.54 | GenNMX | I think WoW's servers are having problems, I'm tracerouting fine to everything else. |
| 02:22.38 | Guillotine | you shouldn't be able to traceroute/ping WoW servers |
| 02:22.53 | Guillotine | not the game servers I mean |
| 02:22.59 | Guillotine | you can do the webservers |
| 02:23.20 | GenNMX | Guillotine: I'm not tracerouting to the particular WoW server, I'm using the number they give to traceroute to on their website. I think it's one of their webservers. |
| 02:23.30 | Guillotine | ahh |
| 02:23.36 | Guillotine | then I have no idea |
| 02:23.54 | GenNMX | Guillotine: I can't traceroute to their webservers, and I can't connect to WoW. But I ping fine with everything else, nice 20ms. I don't think it's me. |
| 02:24.08 | Guillotine | that's wierd |
| 02:24.47 | Guillotine | I connected to the servers, but I AM getting a timeout when tracerouting www.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 02:26.26 | Guillotine | well, it seems somethings wrong with their webservers |
| 02:26.31 | Guillotine | but I am connected to WoW |
| 02:26.42 | Guillotine | though it took 5 minutes to finish handshaking |
| 02:27.07 | GenNMX | Yeah I got connected once, but the login was slooow. So it's probably their login servers. |
| 02:27.20 | Tain | It must be another DOS attack! WOW IS DOOOOMED! |
| 02:28.50 | Guillotine | it could well be |
| 02:29.00 | Guillotine | though it does seem like you're being sarcasit |
| 02:29.06 | Guillotine | sarcastic even |
| 02:29.30 | Tain | You are correct, sir. |
| 02:34.00 | Maldivia | Fanook: and which server is that? |
| 02:34.08 | Maldivia | Sargeras could use a kick aswell :) |
| 02:34.33 | Fanook | Lothar |
| 02:34.51 | Fanook | yay! my comedictips work now! |
| 02:34.54 | Maldivia | We just killed Onyxia... or well, half the raid sees her dead, the other half at healths varing from 6 to 40% :) |
| 02:35.13 | Maldivia | she's standing there, turning to look at out MT all the time :) |
| 02:35.13 | Fanook | that's new |
| 02:36.37 | GenNMX | Is it just me, or are the servers always especially flakey before Tuesday maintenance? |
| 02:38.02 | Maldivia | well, this week been worse than ever... |
| 02:38.14 | GenNMX | I can picture some BOFH network engineer switching the packet analyzer ON right before Tuesdays so he can keep arguing the "extended maintenance" (or "extended overtime") is worth it ;) |
| 02:38.26 | Maldivia | hehe |
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| 02:40.25 | Maldivia | or they just dont feed their mice on sundays :) |
| 02:53.30 | Fanook | they use mice? i thought guinea pigs were Blizzard's rodent of choice... |
| 02:53.56 | Maldivia | :) |
| 02:54.00 | Codayus | I heard it was hamsters. |
| 02:54.10 | Codayus | From a reliable source! |
| 02:54.26 | Fanook | ah |
| 02:55.18 | Tain | The mod authors are guinea pigs. |
| 02:56.02 | Fanook | i always thought we were the guinea pigs |
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| 02:57.50 | Esamynn | Evening all |
| 03:01.55 | Maldivia | ok - the mice/guinea pigs stopped for Sargeras now... |
| 03:02.38 | ForgottenLords | is 800G overpriced for Nexus Crystals? |
| 03:02.49 | Esamynn | for a single Nexus Crystal? |
| 03:02.58 | ForgottenLords | Yes |
| 03:03.01 | Codayus | .... |
| 03:03.06 | Codayus | You've got to be joking. |
| 03:03.12 | Maldivia | 80g perhaps |
| 03:03.13 | Esamynn | I would say so |
| 03:03.22 | Codayus | They're were like 70g a few days oago on my server. |
| 03:03.29 | ForgottenLords | on Icecrown, Alliance, there are 2 up there, each for 500G minimum, 800 BO |
| 03:03.52 | Maldivia | hehe... they are selling for 70-100g on Sargeras |
| 03:03.55 | Esamynn | ................................................................................................ |
| 03:04.03 | Codayus | People are always spamming trade trying to sell them...prices started at 200g, but dropped below 100g within 36 hours of the patch. |
| 03:04.19 | Tain | If there's no competition put them up high. |
| 03:04.32 | Maldivia | well, they might be up - but noone in their right state of mind would buy at those prices |
| 03:04.38 | Codayus | It'll depend how new your server is, I guess. |
| 03:04.52 | Tain | You just never know. People don't always know what things are worth. |
| 03:05.31 | Maldivia | well, what does the cheapest level 51+ epics go for on that server |
| 03:05.46 | Maldivia | nexus shards shouldn't be more expensive than that |
| 03:05.47 | ForgottenLords | Hmm, like what for example? |
| 03:05.51 | Maldivia | Lifestone |
| 03:05.51 | Codayus | Raiding guilds that have been hitting MC for a while will be DEing a *lot* of cenarion and felheart. |
| 03:06.07 | ForgottenLords | 250G buyout max for lifestones |
| 03:06.14 | Codayus | They'll use a lot on their own enchants, but that's still a steady supply of Nexus crystals hitting the AH. |
| 03:06.21 | Maldivia | lifestones DE to nexus shards |
| 03:06.37 | Maldivia | notice - plural |
| 03:06.45 | Maldivia | 1-2 shards from a lifestone |
| 03:06.58 | Maldivia | so 800g is wastly overpriced |
| 03:07.04 | Tain | Lifestones? Bought one a while back for 100g |
| 03:07.36 | Codayus | Hmm. If you want to gamble, buy a lifestone, DE it, then try undercutting. :-) |
| 03:08.06 | ForgottenLords | undercutting an 800G buyout is something I can probably do :) |
| 03:08.28 | Maldivia | any epic, level 51 or above should disenchant to 1-2 nexus crystals |
| 03:08.34 | Codayus | The tricky part will be in making the sale. :-) |
| 03:08.55 | Maldivia | yeah - considering all the good nexus enchants arent available yet, since they drop in AQ20 |
| 03:09.05 | ForgottenLords | yeah, I am seeing Twigs of the World Tree on BO for 15G. I got a nexus from one already, and even if I sell for 100G, then thats 85G profit |
| 03:09.33 | GenNMX | Hello, 90% of the servers are "Full". |
| 03:09.46 | ForgottenLords | youd think Blizz would pick up on that |
| 03:09.51 | ForgottenLords | christmas rush maybe? |
| 03:10.03 | Codayus | Hmm, lvl 51 epic is 100% chance of a nexus crystal? |
| 03:10.09 | GenNMX | No, login is also taking an inordinately long time. I think "Full" means "we're broken". |
| 03:10.26 | ForgottenLords | I am not sure about that |
| 03:10.34 | Tain | I got in. But then I logged out because I didn't feel like playing. |
| 03:10.42 | GenNMX | I just tried one with "Low" and now I'm stuck at "Connected". |
| 03:10.42 | Maldivia | from patch notes: |
| 03:10.47 | Maldivia | - Epic items that are level 51 and above will now disenchant into a Nexus Crystal. |
| 03:11.04 | Maldivia | so yes, all 51+ epics are 100% |
| 03:11.09 | Codayus | Interesting. |
| 03:11.30 | Codayus | Okay, the real question is, whats the odds of getting one from a blue... |
| 03:11.33 | GenNMX | I just wanna test addons! Grrr. |
| 03:11.48 | Maldivia | low |
| 03:12.04 | Maldivia | people are talking about 1-2% from blues |
| 03:12.18 | Codayus | Bah |
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| 03:12.37 | Maldivia | so all those lifestones, destiny, axe of the deep woods, etc are now worth something... that is if you DE them |
| 03:15.14 | Corrodias | a lot of web servers, including google, don't respond to pings |
| 03:15.21 | Corrodias | at least, i've never managed to get a response from them |
| 03:16.00 | Tain | I always get a ping response from google.com |
| 03:16.34 | Corrodias | you suck |
| 03:16.36 | GenNMX | Corrodias: Perhaps your ISP blocks outgoing pings. A good number of broadband ISPs do that to prevent their customers commiting DoS attacks. |
| 03:16.45 | Corrodias | could be that |
| 03:17.02 | Corrodias | actually, for some reason, i'm getting a response right now |
| 03:17.13 | Corrodias | try microsoft.com |
| 03:18.50 | Corrodias | damn, this channel is busy. i've only been sleeping for 11 hours and boom, tons of stuff in my buffer |
| 03:22.07 | Cairenn | sarcasm or serious, Corrodias? |
| 03:22.31 | Corrodias | pretty serious. a lot of channels i'm in don't move a lot |
| 03:22.50 | GenNMX | I like this 24" Widescreen monitor, but I keep kicking myself on how I could have bought the Dell 24" for $900. |
| 03:22.55 | Cairenn | funny, given that it's actually been pretty quiet of late |
| 03:23.51 | Tain | Shhh! Be vewwy vewwy quiet. |
| 03:23.56 | Tain | I'm huntin wabbit |
| 03:26.35 | GenNMX | Oh wait, this can't do HD. |
| 03:26.39 | GenNMX | I feel better. |
| 03:31.03 | Fanook | HD is overrated, imoi |
| 03:31.06 | Fanook | *imo |
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| 03:34.14 | GenNMX | Fanook: When you're getting a LCD-TV that can do 1900x1240, there's no reason not to also get HD. |
| 03:34.58 | Fanook | true |
| 03:35.16 | GenNMX | Unless, of course, you feel you won't ever have access to any HD technology for the next 5 years. |
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| 03:35.49 | GenNMX | I try to buy and build electronics which will last me around 3-5 years at least. It's more economical in the long run. |
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| 03:40.10 | Flisher_Coding | RaidAwareness is uploaded at http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=3027, will upload on more website once it's considered stable(it's should) |
| 03:42.35 | Corrodias | today, maybe i'll get to play WoW instead of screw around with my addons |
| 03:46.37 | Tain | If you can login. :) |
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| 03:48.42 | Corrodias | :o |
| 03:48.54 | Flisher_Coding | good luck |
| 03:49.33 | Corrodias | well, i got to the character list loading screen pretty quick.. |
| 03:49.38 | Corrodias | and now they're loaded |
| 03:51.17 | GenNMX | Flisher: For RaidAwareness to work, does everyone you want to track need to also have RaidAwareness? |
| 03:53.27 | Fanook | Gen: well, HD isn't a big priority for me. I've invested too much money in dvd's to get hardware that'll possibly make them look crappy |
| 03:53.55 | Fanook | plus there's the whole HD-DVD/Blu-Ray debacle that's coming |
| 03:53.58 | Tain | My DVDs look great on my HD tv. Sure they're not HD DVDs, but widescreen beautiful. |
| 03:54.08 | Iriel | It's going to be a while before HD displays make DVD look crappy |
| 03:54.15 | Iriel | My DVD's also look great on an HD tc |
| 03:54.18 | Iriel | tv even |
| 03:54.44 | Fanook | that's promising |
| 03:54.58 | Tain | I don't think there'll even be a mess, I think it'll just be Blu-Ray. |
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| 04:00.31 | GenNMX | Fanook: I play my DVDs on my PC, which is connected via DVI. |
| 04:02.25 | GenNMX | I found it more economical to buy a decent sound system for my PC. You can get great sound out of computer surround sound for low cost. |
| 04:11.57 | Flisher_Coding | zalman real 5.1 headphone (with 2 speaker on each side...) |
| 04:12.23 | Flisher_Coding | awesome sound with a sB audigy in WoW, but you get dazzed on hte begining due to sound positioning |
| 04:12.27 | Tain | yeah I need to get some good headphones |
| 04:12.51 | GenNMX | Headphones won't do it for me, since I either listen to music or watch TV while playing WoW usually. |
| 04:13.39 | GenNMX | Also, I have a physical problem which can be irritated by powerful headphones. |
| 04:14.03 | GenNMX | So, maybe it's just a good thing for me and not a real audiophile. |
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| 04:25.06 | Guillotine | anyone know who Eranikus, Tyrant of the Dream is? He just crashed our server :/ |
| 04:25.15 | Guillotine | is that some guy for the silithus event? |
| 04:25.21 | ForgottenLords | Moonglade |
| 04:25.28 | Guillotine | I know hes in moonglade |
| 04:25.33 | Fanook | as far as i know, he's part of opening AQ |
| 04:25.37 | Guillotine | I teleported there to get to felwood quickly, and BOOM |
| 04:25.38 | ForgottenLords | oh |
| 04:25.48 | Fanook | pretty sure it's a continuation of a sunken temple quest line |
| 04:26.02 | ForgottenLords | Its the opening of AQ questline |
| 04:27.00 | Oric | Could someone suggest a warlock talent template for a PvE server? |
| 04:27.20 | Cairenn | *blinks* |
| 04:28.04 | Cairenn | http://wowvault.ign.com/View.php?view=Talents.View |
| 04:28.29 | Codayus | Oric - do what everyone else does, and go SM/Ruin. |
| 04:29.02 | Codayus | Well...what about half seem to, anyhow. |
| 04:29.05 | Oric | Thank |
| 04:29.07 | Oric | s |
| 04:29.55 | Corrodias | i hope this quest can be done by more htan one person |
| 04:29.59 | Ktron | anyone else besides me use a open source or free program to watch TV with their tuner/ |
| 04:30.00 | Ktron | *? |
| 04:30.18 | Codayus | Or go heavy demo that works great too. Hell, it's hard to go wrong with warlock talent builds. :-) But SM/Ruin seems the most popular. |
| 04:30.24 | Corrodias | i'd be a little miffed if just a small group of TFS members (largest alliance guild on ET) gets to talk to dragons |
| 04:30.56 | Codayus | I dunno, the chain may stop being doable when AQ opens.. |
| 04:31.43 | Codayus | I haven't really got a strong feeling either way. It'd make sense to me if it didn't deactivate, and so everyone could do it if they wanted to. OTOH, what makes sense to me != what makese sense to Bliz. |
| 04:31.55 | Corrodias | that would be pretty sad, given the lack of interesting things to do at 60 |
| 04:36.48 | Guillotine | blizz has already said that it will be doable, but not required to enter AQ |
| 04:39.29 | Guillotine | not that anybody should do it |
| 04:39.37 | Guillotine | seeing as how it makes the server so laggy its unplayable |
| 04:39.49 | Guillotine | horde just won AB before any of the alliance could get out of the starting area |
| 04:39.52 | Guillotine | our gate didn't open |
| 04:40.48 | Guillotine | rejuv is now a 20 second cast time |
| 04:41.28 | Guillotine | with all the lag here, you'd think the big guy was giving out free krol blades... |
| 04:43.28 | Guillotine | but on the plus side, I just got all the way through timbermaw hold on my mount |
| 04:43.32 | Flisher_Coding | are euro servers shitty as us one? |
| 04:43.56 | Guillotine | probably |
| 04:44.21 | Guillotine | w00t. GM just logged all of kalimdor off |
| 04:44.42 | Fanook | hehe |
| 04:45.58 | Guillotine | now the world server is down |
| 04:46.29 | Guillotine | so... we doing alliance or horde on draka? |
| 04:49.14 | Cairenn | Bela is likely on Horde side |
| 04:53.06 | Maldivia | ahh... Eranikus redeemed... :) |
| 04:58.14 | Guillotine | haha! (after a 10 minute rollback) everyone logs back on and Eranikus dissapeared. somehow, everyone is activated for pvp. All hell breaks loose in moonglade. 80 alliance vs. 80 horde. about 5 mins of this. then the cenarion gaurds stop being bugged on start pwning everyone :D |
| 04:58.29 | Fanook | lmao |
| 04:58.34 | Fanook | that's great |
| 05:00.15 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 05:03.16 | Corrodias | nice. |
| 05:03.22 | Corrodias | i wonder why people roll on multiple servers |
| 05:03.42 | Corrodias | my alt probably sucked up 15 gold before he started turning a profit |
| 05:04.35 | Maldivia | only 15? |
| 05:07.59 | Corrodias | yes, i didn't bother to buy him very expensive things because he'd outgrow them in a couple of days if i did |
| 05:08.18 | Corrodias | not big on pvp |
| 05:08.21 | Maldivia | well, was thinking more in the line of 90g at level 40 :) |
| 05:08.54 | Corrodias | well, my main is only ~40 |
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| 05:11.33 | Maldivia | ohh... hehe :) |
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| 05:24.47 | Guillotine | cool! one of my screenshots got honorable mention in the WoW holiday contest :D |
| 05:25.14 | Guillotine | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/imageviewer.html?/contests/holiday-xmas05/screenshot/,honorable/,24,59,http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/contests/holiday-xmas05/screenshot/honorable.html |
| 05:25.27 | Guillotine | too bad theres no prize for honorable mention... |
| 05:25.41 | Cairenn | still, that's pretty neat |
| 05:25.44 | Cairenn | grats Guillotine |
| 05:25.51 | Guillotine | :D |
| 05:26.54 | Guillotine | and it looks like one of my gfs is up there too |
| 05:27.04 | Guillotine | i just pointed it out to her and she's checking if its hers |
| 05:29.11 | Corrodias | is there any way to determine what item an NPC is using? |
| 05:29.18 | Corrodias | (such as inspect* |
| 05:29.25 | Iriel | No |
| 05:29.30 | Fanook | mind control, perhaps? |
| 05:29.31 | Iriel | Usually the NPC's dont have real equipment |
| 05:29.37 | Legorol | woot, the highest one of my many mains is 42 |
| 05:29.39 | Guillotine | they never do |
| 05:29.45 | Corrodias | they don't? |
| 05:29.48 | Legorol | oops, wrong window |
| 05:30.08 | Corrodias | i saw an innkeeper with a broom that you can get yourself from a mob |
| 05:30.47 | Iriel | yeah, but the innkeeper's model has that broom attached |
| 05:30.56 | Iriel | It's not like the innkeeper has an inventory |
| 05:31.02 | Corrodias | i see |
| 05:32.24 | Corrodias | how unfortunate |
| 05:33.59 | Guillotine | you know what's interesting? one of the 5 screenshot winners was taken at the IF airport (you can be banned for going there). think they got a suspension along with their Blizz T-shirt? http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/imageviewer.html?/contests/holiday-xmas05/screenshot/,winners/,4,5,http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/contests/holiday-xmas05/screenshot/winners.html |
| 05:34.42 | Corrodias | you *could if you repeatedly did it |
| 05:34.46 | Codayus | I'm not sure I fully believe that people have been banned for going there. You see a lot of stuff on the forums... |
| 05:35.22 | Codayus | And to date, while I've seen some claims, they've always struck me as being a bit...weak. |
| 05:35.23 | Corrodias | i read that, if you were found in a blocked area, you could be warned not to do it again and ported out, at least |
| 05:35.38 | Corrodias | but that's only as credible as the banning stories |
| 05:35.56 | Codayus | Pft, my server had a tour guide that advertised on IF trade that he'd take people to the top for a small fee. |
| 05:36.02 | Guillotine | actually, I was warned by a GM for going there |
| 05:36.08 | Codayus | He never got banned... |
| 05:36.15 | GenNMX | Corrodias: More like "I teleport hacked and got into a forbidden area and I got banned! WTF why is the content in there if they don't want people going in there?!?!?!" |
| 05:36.25 | Guillotine | I asked if the GM was going to port me. he said he didn't have porting powers so he told me to jump down :/ |
| 05:36.33 | Codayus | LOL |
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| 05:37.16 | Guillotine | seriously, I wanted to be ported |
| 05:37.17 | GenNMX | Guillotine: "You can't be here. Go off and die." |
| 05:37.27 | Guillotine | na. I used another exploit to not die ;) |
| 05:37.36 | Guillotine | it was on my hunter so I used eagle eye to stop right before I hit the ground |
| 05:38.08 | GenNMX | I heard a GM once said to someone who was stuck, "I'm sorry Sir <NameForgotten>, but it seems you must now die." |
| 05:39.05 | Fanook | Mr. GM, do you expect me to talk? |
| 05:39.08 | Guillotine | this happened to someone... GM:"You suck?" Player:"?" GM:"Stuck! I meant stuck!" |
| 05:39.20 | Guillotine | sry. its "You still suck"? |
| 05:39.22 | Codayus | I saw the screenshots for that one. |
| 05:39.49 | Guillotine | also, have any of you seen the addon that replies to requests for a port with random chat messages? |
| 05:40.11 | Guillotine | I had that for a whie, and a gm whispered me and it responded with "Ride 'em cowboys! Yeeehah!" |
| 05:40.12 | Codayus | Uh...quick question, will dual crusader stack the buff if they proc at the same time? |
| 05:40.15 | Guillotine | I have the screenshot of that |
| 05:40.20 | Guillotine | Codayus: not sure |
| 05:41.00 | Guillotine | g2g guys |
| 05:41.02 | Guillotine | ttyl |
| 05:41.03 | Codayus | Cya |
| 05:42.17 | Legorol | aaah, the pleasures of completing a piece of code and hammering out the bugs |
| 05:42.20 | Legorol | makes you feel good |
| 05:43.16 | AnduinLothar | what'd u finish leg? |
| 05:45.19 | Legorol | QuestHistory data merging mod |
| 05:45.28 | Iriel | I'm having a hell of a mental coding block today |
| 05:45.33 | Iriel | and yesterday, for that matter |
| 05:45.38 | Legorol | I have complete quest history going back to level 1 for all my important characters |
| 05:45.44 | Iriel | I dont seem to be able to write anything longer than about 5 lines |
| 05:45.49 | Legorol | but i find myself playing on different comps sometimes, so need to include the data from there too |
| 05:46.08 | Legorol | ah, Iriel, nice taht you are here |
| 05:46.11 | Legorol | i have question about bookworm |
| 05:46.49 | Legorol | Could you explain to me the difference in the 3 possible "store" options? |
| 05:46.56 | Legorol | All, New and Unread |
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| 05:48.36 | AnduinLothar | leg, cant u just copy over savedvars to each compy? |
| 05:48.48 | Legorol | nope |
| 05:48.52 | Legorol | well you could |
| 05:48.55 | Legorol | but if i forget to, |
| 05:48.57 | Iriel | All - Store any page of any book which isn't already in the database |
| 05:48.59 | Legorol | then i have to merge the data |
| 05:49.21 | Iriel | New - Store pages for any book that is newly discovered (but skip those which are in the database already) |
| 05:49.31 | Iriel | Unread - Store pages for any book that isn't marked as read |
| 05:49.43 | Legorol | ok then i'm confused a bit |
| 05:49.46 | Iriel | This only controls whether it'll save pages it just saw |
| 05:49.49 | Legorol | about the difference in All and New |
| 05:49.53 | Iriel | it has nothing to do with pages already IN the database |
| 05:50.44 | Legorol | for the definition of "All", the part of the sentence that reads "isn't already in the database", does that refer to the book, or the page |
| 05:50.57 | Iriel | the page, sorry 8-) |
| 05:51.05 | Legorol | not your fault, i am very tired at the moment |
| 05:51.09 | Legorol | brain is slow |
| 05:51.15 | Iriel | I was ambiguous tho 8-) |
| 05:51.34 | Legorol | can you give me an example of what *wouldn't be* stored with New? |
| 05:52.49 | Legorol | and again, the "that is newly discovered", does that refer to the book or the page? |
| 05:52.50 | Iriel | A book you only had the first page of (or for that matter, had no pages of) |
| 05:52.55 | Iriel | newly discovered == the book |
| 05:53.15 | Legorol | ok, then i'm missing something.. |
| 05:53.23 | Legorol | it's possible to have discovered a book but not have the pages for it? |
| 05:54.23 | Iriel | Yes |
| 05:54.35 | Legorol | how can that ever arise? |
| 05:54.40 | Iriel | you could have the automatic storing/page turning stuff turned off |
| 05:54.45 | Fanook | If I'm understanding this correctly, if you open a book, look at the first page, close it, then come back, New would not store the rest of the pages? |
| 05:54.46 | Iriel | or you could have removed the book from the database |
| 05:55.01 | Iriel | Fanook is correct. |
| 05:55.10 | Legorol | hmmm that is a bit silly, isn't it? |
| 05:55.13 | Iriel | I haven't made removing content very easy |
| 05:55.19 | Iriel | I always meant to finish that off |
| 05:55.25 | Iriel | but that's really what it's intended for |
| 05:55.35 | Iriel | to stop you re-capturing books you've removed the pages of |
| 05:55.47 | Legorol | hm, why would you want to do that? |
| 05:55.58 | Iriel | Suppose they dont interest you, or you've read them |
| 05:56.03 | Iriel | and you dont want to clutter your DB |
| 05:56.13 | Legorol | and a related question, when does Bookworm flag a book as having been "seen"? |
| 05:56.18 | Legorol | e.g. let's say that i have set it to New |
| 05:56.27 | Legorol | i find a new book, i right-click it to open the first page |
| 05:56.35 | Legorol | i presume at this point if i turn to page 2, it still gets stored |
| 05:56.50 | Legorol | but if i were to close the window, then right-click the book again, |
| 05:56.52 | Iriel | The new flag is set when you open the book |
| 05:57.01 | Legorol | and turn to subsequent pages, they wouldn't be stored? |
| 05:57.04 | Iriel | ITEM_TEXT_BEGIN |
| 05:57.21 | Iriel | Correct |
| 05:57.24 | Iriel | they wouldn't be stored |
| 05:57.32 | Iriel | because a new ITEM_TEXT_BEGIN would fire when you re-opened it |
| 05:57.32 | Legorol | right, so i better not have that setting :-) |
| 05:57.40 | Iriel | It's not really a useful setting |
| 05:57.42 | Iriel | at present |
| 05:57.45 | Legorol | ok |
| 05:57.53 | Iriel | I'd just go with storing everything, or unread |
| 05:57.55 | Legorol | it sounds like a dangerous setting, at least the way i use it |
| 05:58.00 | Iriel | since you manually toggle the read/unread flag |
| 05:58.40 | Legorol | hm, so you can mark a book as read with pages missing, i take it |
| 05:58.51 | Legorol | ok, thanks for that explanation |
| 05:58.56 | Legorol | a different question about bookworm then: |
| 05:58.56 | Iriel | Yup, It's your choice when it's marked as read |
| 05:59.40 | Legorol | whenever i open up a book in my inventory to carry on reading it, |
| 05:59.49 | Legorol | if i happen to do so in a different zone than i first starting reading it, |
| 06:00.00 | Iriel | It marks it as found in that zone |
| 06:00.02 | Legorol | bookworm thinks that this is a book in a different zone |
| 06:00.03 | Legorol | yeah |
| 06:00.06 | Legorol | is that a bug or a feature? |
| 06:00.08 | Iriel | It's not ideal, but I can't figure out a solution to it |
| 06:00.19 | Iriel | it's a consequence of the blizzard events |
| 06:00.26 | Legorol | right |
| 06:00.40 | Legorol | it's quite funny, i like to read on flights, especially long books |
| 06:00.50 | Legorol | so i have some books that have been "seen" in about 10 different zones |
| 06:01.03 | Iriel | Well, if you read the book in bookworm instead... |
| 06:01.07 | Iriel | then you wont have the problem. |
| 06:01.13 | Legorol | hm, true |
| 06:01.40 | Legorol | thing is, i'm an idealist, or RP-er,whatever you want to call it |
| 06:01.50 | Legorol | when i'm reading something the first time, i like to read the original item |
| 06:02.07 | Legorol | then i discard the item when i'm finished, and keep the text in bookworm for historical reference |
| 06:02.15 | Legorol | anyway, it's no big deal |
| 06:02.20 | Legorol | thanks for the great addon :-) |
| 06:02.28 | Legorol | helps a lot when rushing through instances with a PuG |
| 06:03.45 | Iriel | The 1.9 version may have fixed the cache corruption issue with page 2 or 3 of some books |
| 06:04.00 | Iriel | or should I say, should compensate for blizzard's cache corruption issue better |
| 06:04.22 | Legorol | what issue would that be? |
| 06:04.39 | Iriel | Sometimes (when it's set to auto-flip pages) it gets a bit ahead of the game's API's |
| 06:04.52 | Iriel | and the game messes up its cache and denies the existance of a page in the middle |
| 06:05.17 | Iriel | So you hit next page on page 1, and nothing happens, hit it again, and get page 3 |
| 06:05.17 | Legorol | right |
| 06:05.28 | Iriel | It's hard to reproduce reliably against a clean cache tho |
| 06:05.28 | Legorol | btw, i'm getting a display bug when looking at page 2 of bookworm's help |
| 06:05.38 | Legorol | i don't know if this is due to my other addons |
| 06:05.49 | Iriel | No, it's probably a real bug 8-) |
| 06:06.12 | Iriel | Slouken breaks and fixes SimpleHTML in subtly different ways every patch. It's become almost a game now to find out how bookworm broke so I can get it fixed |
| 06:06.21 | Iriel | I dont test the help pages as well as I should. |
| 06:06.42 | Legorol | what i have is this: |
| 06:06.51 | Legorol | when looking at page 2 of hte help, and only page 2 (out of the 9 or so), |
| 06:07.01 | Iriel | If you would be so kind as to throw me an email (iriel@vigilance-committee.org) I'll check it out when i'm in the code next |
| 06:07.07 | Legorol | all the text is correctly there, but there is an ugly black splodge pattern of some sort |
| 06:07.15 | Legorol | i'll try to take a screenie |
| 06:07.54 | Iriel | Thanks! |
| 06:09.26 | Legorol | want it attached to the email? |
| 06:09.44 | Legorol | you can see it at http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/1728/wowscrnshot0110060607305qv.jpg |
| 06:12.49 | Iriel | Eww.. that's nasty looking isn't it. 8-) |
| 06:12.58 | Iriel | it's the scrollbar |
| 06:13.03 | Iriel | I didn't update it properly for 1.9 8-( |
| 06:13.28 | Fanook | something similar happened with the Properties mod |
| 06:13.51 | Flisher_Coding | RaidAwareness is uploaded at http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=3027, will upload on more website once it's considered stable(it's should), havbe a good night! |
| 06:15.02 | Legorol | I never noticed this before, maybe it's new, but there is a bucket and mop on the Menethil->Auberdine ship now |
| 06:15.03 | Legorol | woot |
| 06:15.27 | GenNMX | Someone didn't understand what "poop deck" means. |
| 06:15.38 | Cairenn | sleep time for me (I hope) |
| 06:16.27 | Cairenn|sleep | night guys |
| 06:17.31 | Legorol | gnight |
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| 06:32.32 | Legorol | Does anyone know if there is an Ahn'Qiraj war effort quest giver in Darnassus? |
| 06:32.41 | Legorol | One that mayheps sends you on to Stormwind |
| 06:33.08 | Fanook | there is/was one, that just points you towards IF. same thing in SW |
| 06:33.25 | AnduinLothar | one sends u to if |
| 06:33.37 | Fanook | have no idea where, someone in my guild asked about it |
| 06:37.10 | Legorol | ok, the one that sends me to IF |
| 06:37.13 | Legorol | any idea where he/she is? |
| 06:37.48 | Iriel | by the bank? |
| 06:40.06 | Fanook | i know the one in SW is by the AH |
| 06:40.55 | Legorol | Iriel, she was indeed by the bank |
| 06:41.06 | Iriel | I thought I saw her there yesterday |
| 06:43.04 | Legorol | ok, with that i have finished finding all 3 |
| 07:10.51 | futrtrubl | I met the woman of my dreams tonight. Unfortunately she's going out with a friend of my best friend and lives abroad. Typical. |
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| 07:25.13 | stray`laptop | hello~ |
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| 07:36.48 | Depherios | BGs crashing randomly FTL |
| 07:40.02 | stray`laptop | what does " |
| 07:40.02 | stray`laptop | Configure this mod through the /cdt menu command |
| 07:40.03 | stray`laptop | " |
| 07:40.08 | stray`laptop | imply to you? |
| 07:40.16 | stray`laptop | curse irc for nto eating my newlines |
| 07:45.09 | Iriel | It implies you type /cdt to configure it |
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| 08:14.01 | Depherios | menu command sounds silly, but yes |
| 08:14.13 | Depherios | it implies you use the slash command: /cdt |
| 08:14.22 | Depherios | wow |
| 08:14.24 | Depherios | half an hour later |
| 08:14.24 | Depherios | go me |
| 08:16.22 | shouryuu | rawr |
| 08:16.56 | Depherios | anybody made an addon to force all the blizz tooltips to stay on screen if you move something? (i.e. the way I moved my buffs to the bottom of the screen?) |
| 08:18.12 | shouryuu | what do you mean by forces? |
| 08:18.32 | id` | Depherios, certainly |
| 08:18.40 | id` | Depherios, turan made one, tipster |
| 08:18.46 | shouryuu | oh well he go it |
| 08:18.48 | shouryuu | *got |
| 08:19.20 | Depherios | yay! now lets hope it gets along with tipbuddy |
| 08:27.38 | shouryuu | I'm out girls |
| 08:27.51 | Ktron | How hard would it be to make an addon that changes the color of all the names of your friends/guildmates when you see in them in chats? so you could pick them out of general, or pick your friends out of /guild |
| 08:27.51 | id` | bai bai SHouryu|school |
| 08:27.56 | Ktron | that is the thought for the night |
| 08:28.07 | SHouryu|school | I am the teh paris |
| 08:28.11 | SHouryu|school | it is teh early |
| 08:28.18 | Ktron | purl, ktron_asks is How hard would it be to make an addon that changes the color of all the names of your friends/guildmates when you see in them in chats? so you could pick them out of general, or pick your friends out of /guild |
| 08:28.19 | purl | Ktron: okay |
| 08:28.24 | id` | it it the 09:28 here and i am at work |
| 08:28.25 | Ktron | purl, thanks |
| 08:28.25 | purl | Ktron: sure thing |
| 08:28.27 | Ktron | purl, night |
| 08:28.28 | purl | G'night ktron, get out of here. |
| 08:28.45 | id` | nn Ktron|sleep |
| 08:28.53 | Ktron|sleep | 3:29AM here and I have a dentist appt at 9:10AM |
| 08:29.04 | id` | ;o |
| 08:31.41 | Iriel | Ktron|sleep : not that hard, really |
| 08:31.57 | id` | indeed |
| 08:41.36 | id` | bitchx \o/ |
| 08:52.09 | Depherios | oh... Ktron... Cleanchat |
| 08:52.31 | Depherios | can custom color for friends, guild members, party members, and raid members (as well as yourself) |
| 08:52.44 | Depherios | can also use class colors for raid members |
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| 09:23.42 | id` | http://digigen.nl/~Industrial |
| 09:23.43 | id` | look |
| 09:23.48 | id` | cute MS paint headers! |
| 09:23.50 | id` | xD |
| 09:24.31 | id` | i should make a little alphabet of 5x5px characterd and a little php script to cache them all and then load the page with all content characters replaces |
| 09:24.34 | id` | replaced* |
| 09:24.42 | id` | xD |
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| 09:25.55 | Depherios | lol |
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| 09:26.39 | id` | you likey |
| 09:26.40 | id` | eh, eh? |
| 09:26.52 | id` | ill make the text smaller! |
| 09:27.25 | id` | bah, it doesnt go smaller :( |
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| 09:47.44 | zeeg | YAY :D |
| 09:47.46 | zeeg | CPU: (1 CPU - AMDion 64 Mobilehnology ML-37, 2.00 GHz, L1: 64KB L2: 1024KB (44% Load)) VidCard: (ATi MOBILITY Radeon X700) Mem: (Usage: 396/1023MB (38.71%)) Sound: (Realtek AC97 Audio) |
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| 09:53.57 | Depherios | How's Realtek working out for you zeeg? |
| 09:54.11 | Depherios | my GFs new mobo had integrated Realtek audio... never run across it before |
| 09:54.17 | zeeg | works fine |
| 09:54.23 | zeeg | my desktop has it too |
| 09:54.25 | zeeg | no complaints |
| 09:54.37 | Depherios | good, cause I'm thinking of getting the same mobo xD |
| 09:54.45 | zeeg | granted this is a notebook, so it sucks :P |
| 10:02.35 | krka | quick q: which event tells us when we know the characters name? |
| 10:03.32 | krka | PLAYER_LOGIN? |
| 10:05.39 | Kalroth | I'm using a Realtek AC97 based chip too, works just fine too |
| 10:07.56 | id`` | intel AC97 here |
| 10:11.32 | Depherios | yaaay |
| 10:13.05 | Kalroth | AC97 is an Intel standard, realtek etc are just licensing it |
| 10:14.11 | Depherios | bah... so I circumvently gave money to intel? buah |
| 10:15.27 | Depherios | oh well... AMD is actually holding their own now... so I guess it's okay |
| 10:15.34 | zeeg | intel is good |
| 10:16.44 | zeeg | oh |
| 10:16.51 | Depherios | and for years |
| 10:17.02 | Depherios | AMD didn't even make money, and when they did, it wasn't much XD |
| 10:17.23 | zeeg | thats cuz they sucked :P |
| 10:17.28 | Depherios | but yeah... AMD is doing well now... so... I guess I can stop bothering |
| 10:17.53 | Depherios | lol, true zeeg... |
| 10:17.59 | Depherios | but they were competition XD |
| 10:19.37 | zeeg | ]i feel sorry for apple and their stupidity in the early years :P |
| 10:19.56 | Depherios | I stopped using apple back with the later G3s... they were just crappy |
| 10:20.05 | Depherios | like... as soon as they made the Imac they sucked, lol |
| 10:20.11 | Depherios | and I haven't gone back D: |
| 10:20.22 | zeeg | this resolution is really hard to adjust too :| |
| 10:20.23 | zeeg | they're good now |
| 10:20.28 | zeeg | they sucked before, now they're good |
| 10:20.31 | Depherios | I know... |
| 10:20.40 | Depherios | Now it's just a matter of $$$ |
| 10:20.42 | id`` | im gunna BUY a mac |
| 10:20.43 | id`` | lol |
| 10:20.44 | id`` | :p |
| 10:20.51 | Depherios | if I had the money, I would |
| 10:21.02 | id`` | maybe im getting a mini |
| 10:21.06 | Depherios | I'm going to set up a linux box soon... looking at cases for it now actually |
| 10:21.08 | id`` | but i fear its too suck for wow |
| 10:21.13 | zeeg | i could have, but didnt |
| 10:21.16 | id`` | wow barely runs on my laptop |
| 10:21.21 | id`` | iu want a desktop :( |
| 10:21.22 | zeeg | why a nix box |
| 10:21.24 | zeeg | nix is worthless :| |
| 10:21.27 | id`` | why a nix box? |
| 10:21.29 | id`` | HAHAHA |
| 10:21.36 | zeeg | wow would probably run good on this notebook |
| 10:21.53 | id`` | good to see you are joking |
| 10:21.54 | id`` | :P |
| 10:21.59 | zeeg | im not |
| 10:22.00 | zeeg | i hate linux |
| 10:22.04 | zeeg | as a desktop at least |
| 10:22.08 | Depherios | heh... I have 3 computers here already... and the leftover peices from my GFs upgrade are a 2ghz machine and I've yet to use linux |
| 10:22.08 | zeeg | i respect it as a server |
| 10:22.11 | id`` | pff ;p |
| 10:22.33 | Depherios | and I'm not a GUI person |
| 10:22.33 | zeeg | guess thats a good enough reason |
| 10:22.53 | krka | I have had no problem with linux as a desktop |
| 10:23.09 | zeeg | im not saying it has problems |
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| 10:23.12 | zeeg | im just saying.. why |
| 10:23.14 | zeeg | anyways |
| 10:23.16 | zeeg | gotta restart |
| 10:23.17 | Depherios | XD |
| 10:23.56 | Depherios | because legally I already have windows installed on all the machines they'll let me, and I'm not getting anotehr copy or another liscence just so I can have another compy sitting around... and I'd rather not put an illegal install on it... and I want to try linux... and uh..... did I forget something? XD |
| 10:24.36 | id`` | yeah |
| 10:24.49 | id`` | that it will probably run alot of software more stable |
| 10:24.54 | Depherios | XD |
| 10:25.06 | id`` | and you can move all your irc and filesharing on that |
| 10:25.10 | id`` | and leave it on 24/7 |
| 10:25.17 | Depherios | the only problem I have with windows right now, as far as stability... is firefox randomly crashing |
| 10:25.40 | id`` | my explorer crashes randomly when working in a remote folder (every day, 8 hours) |
| 10:25.52 | Depherios | my "main" machine has all my drives in it... and stays on constantly... |
| 10:25.57 | Depherios | all my large drives anyway |
| 10:26.07 | id`` | i have only 40GB |
| 10:26.08 | id`` | :| |
| 10:26.15 | id`` | <poor student /> |
| 10:26.22 | Depherios | that's what's in that compy... a 40.... and a 160 XD |
| 10:26.30 | Depherios | almost full D: |
| 10:26.45 | Depherios | the 40 is nothing but the windows install, and wow pretty much though, lol |
| 10:27.04 | Depherios | I've stipped down the windows so the machine isn't good for much but gaming |
| 10:27.15 | Depherios | and serving everything out to the other two machines XD |
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| 10:28.23 | Depherios | but after I throw together a linux box, I'll be able to actually keep the laptop mobile, as it is it just lives on my desk XD |
| 10:29.18 | zeeg | i had fun runing around with mine tonight |
| 10:29.21 | zeeg | stealing internet from people :P |
| 10:29.32 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:30.28 | zeeg | i have to replace the nics in the home pcs tho |
| 10:30.34 | zeeg | as im running 2 routers atm :| |
| 10:30.37 | zeeg | wired and wireless |
| 10:30.45 | Depherios | :P |
| 10:31.17 | zeeg | wowguru's got some fucked up fonts on this too |
| 10:31.19 | zeeg | screen[1680x1050 32bit 60Hz] |
| 10:31.43 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:31.49 | Kalroth | Same resolution as my laptop :p |
| 10:32.06 | zeeg | i like it :) |
| 10:32.28 | Depherios | didn't have the $$$ XD |
| 10:32.36 | zeeg | mm |
| 10:32.41 | zeeg | its widescreen |
| 10:32.42 | Depherios | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811200024 <-- it looks cheap... but it's so... orange XD |
| 10:33.19 | zeeg | lol |
| 10:33.52 | zeeg | *more |
| 10:34.12 | zeeg | my network's named "I see you <racial slur>" muahah |
| 10:34.21 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:34.27 | Depherios | mine is "room" |
| 10:37.06 | zeeg | i got free internet from "Your Mom" tonight :P |
| 10:37.30 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:38.00 | Depherios | my friends network and all his computers are named different words for garbage |
| 10:38.42 | Depherios | well.... garbage/shit XD -- Flup, Dreck, Junk, and the network is The Dump |
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| 10:39.28 | Depherios | mine aren't themed... my animism makes me give my compies actual names all too often |
| 10:39.53 | Depherios | Leo, Jack, Donkey (well donkey was Ass... but yeah) Delphi XD |
| 10:40.15 | Depherios | have fun *goes back to trying to figure out where to put everything in his UI* |
| 10:43.27 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:43.39 | id`` | =) |
| 10:43.56 | Depherios | Leo is the laptop... it's my GFs, she named him... her computer at home is Avenger... as he matches the windowblinds theme named Avenger XD |
| 10:44.22 | Depherios | the xbox is named Odin (so of course, when I get a 360, it'll be named Raiden) |
| 10:44.50 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:45.08 | id`` | ;\ |
| 10:45.22 | Depherios | .... server shutdown? -- it's monday? |
| 10:45.24 | Depherios | CRAP |
| 10:45.28 | Depherios | IT WAS MONDAY |
| 10:45.30 | Depherios | awww boo D: |
| 10:47.50 | Elkano | 1.9.1 coming? ;) |
| 10:51.37 | Depherios | lets hope |
| 10:51.39 | Depherios | XD |
| 10:51.54 | Depherios | I'm just bummed because I'm not going to be tired for like, another 2 hours |
| 10:56.12 | Elkano | btw: what is announced for 1.9.1? |
| 10:57.00 | Corrodias | more bugs |
| 10:57.05 | Depherios | lol |
| 10:57.22 | Depherios | ROFL... I logged out on the zep... and I have no zone text under my name on the login screen |
| 10:57.33 | Kalroth | 1.9.1 - fixed: 1.9.0 wasn't buggy enough, added a few hundreds. |
| 10:57.38 | Corrodias | nah, i think they've been working on the major bugs. i haven't heard any more complaints about the mail or people being in the wrong battlegrounds |
| 10:57.46 | Depherios | heh |
| 10:57.58 | Depherios | yeah, but I got dumped from 3 battlegrounds... twice in one of them... |
| 10:58.16 | Depherios | and "won" an AB match because half the allies in the match crashed out |
| 10:58.18 | Corrodias | true, they haven't done much about that one, yet |
| 11:05.43 | Corrodias | know why druids rule? |
| 11:05.57 | Depherios | tanks with healing spells? |
| 11:05.59 | Corrodias | they can go with a group of rogues and heal |
| 11:06.03 | Depherios | XD |
| 11:06.04 | Corrodias | and sneak around like ninjas |
| 11:06.06 | Depherios | lol |
| 11:06.08 | Depherios | that too |
| 11:09.21 | Corrodias | but only taurens. night elves don't know how to be good druids. |
| 11:21.59 | Codayus | Mmm, one of my guilds druids is a secondary tank in MC and ZG sometimes. :-) |
| 11:22.09 | Depherios | lol |
| 11:22.17 | Depherios | my GF has 3 Tauren Druids XD |
| 11:22.32 | Depherios | most ally druids are just moonfire spammers...... or feral specs who don't ever use forms |
| 11:22.49 | Codayus | He's tanked core hounds and one of Thekals friends so far. He does a pretty good job... |
| 11:23.24 | Corrodias | three? |
| 11:23.42 | Codayus | What lvls? |
| 11:23.45 | Corrodias | i don't think i'll be rolling on multiple realms |
| 11:23.50 | Depherios | one is PvE, one is only level 30, and the last is her main... |
| 11:23.53 | Corrodias | having three on one would be kinda weird |
| 11:23.58 | Depherios | not on one XD |
| 11:24.49 | Depherios | like I said, one is PvE (forget the level, high, but not 60) the other two are PvP... her first PvP druid was female and she disliked it, so she made another male one XD |
| 11:25.25 | Depherios | she still plays the 30 one though... well.. did... she was doing 29 BGs with it XD |
| 11:28.01 | Corrodias | my male tauren druid is the pinnacle of masculine sexiness, in his white swashbuckler's shirt |
| 11:28.24 | Depherios | lol |
| 11:29.03 | Depherios | I like the male tauren, I just dislike PLAYING them... too huge... bear form's big arse is bad enough without my humanoid form blocking everything too XD |
| 11:30.03 | Corrodias | true, true, they are big |
| 11:30.20 | Corrodias | i back my camera out two notches to play him, although in tight spaces he's still a little annoying |
| 11:31.10 | Corrodias | i wonder if i should try a pvp server. then i think about what it would be like to have a pvp flag on all the time. then i stop wondering. |
| 11:31.37 | Depherios | XD |
| 11:31.42 | Depherios | I find them more fun |
| 11:31.48 | Depherios | normally I hate PvP |
| 11:31.50 | Depherios | but when they can't talk shit |
| 11:31.51 | Depherios | I love it |
| 11:32.23 | Depherios | and years of diablo on b-net, and other games where you get ganked all the time, have me used to that part of it |
| 11:32.49 | Corrodias | i might start leaving my pvp flag on sometimes when running around |
| 11:32.57 | Corrodias | well, i'd like to, except that i'll always lose any fight |
| 11:32.59 | Depherios | lol |
| 11:33.12 | Depherios | whyso? aren't you a druid? druids don't lose, they just run away! |
| 11:42.02 | Corrodias | seems /b/ has gotten a jump on friday |
| 11:43.26 | Elkano | /b/? |
| 11:43.35 | Corrodias | 4chan's random board |
| 11:43.50 | Corrodias | apparently fridays have some reputation for getting a lot of furry posted there |
| 11:43.55 | Elkano | ok, just wanted to make sure ^^ |
| 11:44.52 | zeeg | hrm |
| 11:44.55 | zeeg | Operating System: (WinXP Professional 5.1 Service Pack 2 (Build #2600)) Installed: (XP was installed 41mins 53secs ago) Uptime: (1h 21m 17s) |
| 11:45.07 | zeeg | how would I check? |
| 11:45.11 | Corrodias | i'd have to say no |
| 11:45.22 | Corrodias | the 64-bit edition doesn't have a service pack 2 yet |
| 11:45.25 | zeeg | k |
| 11:45.31 | Corrodias | as far as i know |
| 11:45.35 | Depherios | and it doesn't run WoW XD |
| 11:45.45 | Corrodias | and it doesn't shave |
| 11:45.49 | Depherios | lol |
| 11:47.02 | Corrodias | my "interesting pictures that i didn't save for their erotic value" folders are getting pretty large and entertaining |
| 11:47.12 | AnduinLothar | why look.. realms are down.... that's not fun |
| 11:47.32 | Depherios | lol |
| 11:47.41 | Corrodias | tuesdays suck |
| 11:48.13 | Depherios | well no... not ALL |
| 11:48.40 | Depherios | but many are large enough they have a second folder for the same thing XD or have to be devided into subfolders |
| 11:49.01 | Corrodias | wow |
| 11:50.08 | AnduinLothar | speakin gof errotic. i need to do my latin hw |
| 11:50.19 | Depherios | humorous pics, screenshots from stuff, pictures I've taken, tons of stuff just nabbed for graphic design, or other artistic purposes... tons of *.psd files of all sorts of things, web graphics, more funny pictures |
| 11:50.27 | zeeg | oh ya, that's today |
| 11:50.33 | zeeg | im getting a mac today AnduinLothar |
| 11:50.34 | zeeg | :D |
| 11:50.38 | Corrodias | ah |
| 11:50.39 | AnduinLothar | lol, laptop? |
| 11:51.09 | zeeg | nah |
| 11:51.13 | zeeg | desktop, gonna use it as a fileserver |
| 11:51.24 | AnduinLothar | what'd u get? |
| 11:51.31 | AnduinLothar | powermac? |
| 11:52.29 | AnduinLothar | the duels are great for file servers, esp when you get the scoop for a few terrabites of extra hd space |
| 11:53.14 | zeeg | my friends old one, not sure exactyl what it is |
| 11:53.20 | zeeg | im swapping him pieces of my dieing desktop for his mac :P |
| 11:53.42 | AnduinLothar | ahh, ya i have a 3.5 yr old 1.6ghz powermac |
| 11:53.49 | AnduinLothar | G5 |
| 11:53.53 | zeeg | :) |
| 11:53.56 | zeeg | im liking my new laptop |
| 11:54.00 | Fanook|Zzz | Jobs's macworld expo keynote's today, could be interesting |
| 11:54.09 | zeeg | i was gonna get a powerbook but its a bit too pricey for me |
| 11:59.22 | zeeg | i wonder how many of these people sending me resumse actually took the time to read the post and the part where it say "we lied, this is a volunteer position" |
| 11:59.40 | zeeg | i have like 50 applications, like 15-20 have resumes and a good 10-15 are for graphics design |
| 12:03.12 | Fanook|Zzz | you'd think they could have the main system up on the first day or 2 of classes :( |
| 12:13.16 | Corrodias | maybe i should change my planned class-race combinations |
| 12:14.13 | Corrodias | i don't know how significant a difference of, say, 5 to a stat is at 60.. i know at 40 it's getting pretty small |
| 12:15.26 | Corrodias | maybe i should take the popular advice and truly not concern myself with the stats |
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| 12:18.34 | Corrodias | then, a gnome warrior has 10 less strength than a tauren warrior >_> it's just so hard to ignore that |
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| 12:20.03 | Corrodias | zeeg, the man |
| 12:20.58 | Corrodias | are you up for discussion? |
| 12:22.51 | zeeg | ? |
| 12:23.27 | Corrodias | about race stats |
| 12:23.58 | Corrodias | see, the usual advice is to not be concerned about the racial stats and to just choose what you think looks the best (and note the racial abilities) |
| 12:24.50 | Corrodias | i am not sure.. the difference between a gnome warrior and a tauren warrior is 10 strength. i don't know how significant that is at level 60. even at 40 it's starting to dwindle in significance. |
| 12:25.56 | zeeg | i dont play wow :( |
| 12:26.12 | Corrodias | damn, i guess you aren't really the one to talk to, then |
| 12:27.53 | zeeg | ya |
| 12:27.54 | zeeg | i just make websites |
| 12:27.58 | zeeg | i get bored w/ games |
| 12:27.59 | zeeg | i have to sa |
| 12:28.01 | zeeg | for having no sleep |
| 12:28.02 | zeeg | at all today |
| 12:28.04 | zeeg | i look damn good |
| 12:28.05 | zeeg | :P |
| 12:28.40 | Corrodias | excellent |
| 12:28.54 | Fanook | i am thoroughly convinced that 8AM classes were created by satan |
| 12:30.23 | zeeg | mmhmm |
| 12:30.46 | zeeg | i only have to last til noonish so im fine |
| 12:32.09 | zeeg | i really dont see the point of speakers on notebooks |
| 12:32.11 | zeeg | they all blow |
| 12:32.47 | Fanook | mine don't |
| 12:32.51 | Fanook | mine suck |
| 12:34.20 | zeeg | lol |
| 12:34.26 | zeeg | either im tired |
| 12:34.28 | zeeg | or mmofiles is purple |
| 12:34.32 | zeeg | http://www.mmofiles.com/ |
| 12:34.33 | zeeg | the bars |
| 12:34.38 | zeeg | for most downloaded files for example |
| 12:34.40 | zeeg | is that brown to you? |
| 12:34.59 | zeeg | ok its just the light level |
| 12:35.02 | zeeg | scared myself for a sec |
| 12:37.19 | Corrodias | huh |
| 12:38.15 | Corrodias | i wonder how a dwarf priest looks... |
| 12:38.26 | zeeg | short |
| 12:39.04 | Fanook | taller than a gnome mage |
| 12:40.04 | Corrodias | i'm not interested in playing a paladin, and i'm not sure if i want to have a warrior, see, though i know i want to try a priest some time |
| 12:40.17 | Corrodias | and i'm not sure i want to play a night elf but i'm pretty sure i want a dwarf some time |
| 12:40.47 | Corrodias | and hmm, WoW Model Viewer is messing up the animations a bit, now |
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| 12:49.30 | Corrodias | yes, a quick download of a new version fixed that |
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| 13:01.23 | Corrodias | i suppose i don't really need to make my decision just yet |
| 13:01.36 | Corrodias | i have my three characters so far, and i won't be starting another for a while |
| 13:01.59 | *** part/#wowi-lounge gnom (n=smirnoff@81.222.176.137) |
| 13:11.28 | krka | night elf start location is pretty fun though |
| 13:18.06 | Tain | Three? That's barely enough to get started. ;) |
| 13:23.27 | Corrodias | their starting location is fun, you say.. oh, i just don't know |
| 13:23.37 | Corrodias | it seems so stereotypical to have a dwarf warrior. then again, it sounds so fitting |
| 13:24.35 | Corrodias | well, we'll see, maybe i will go that way |
| 13:24.59 | Corrodias | and yes, it'll be a while, because my current three are levels 40, 29, and 1 |
| 13:25.33 | Corrodias | did you know a level one character doesn't get a full 3/4-level rest experience bonus? |
| 13:25.53 | Corrodias | or maybe i just didn't have it in the right place, maybe i didn't check that one before i deleted it |
| 13:26.43 | Corrodias | by the way, why do rogues often switch between swords and daggers? |
| 13:27.21 | Tain | Instant attacks like Sinister Strike and Eviscerate (your bread and butter) do more damage with a higher base damage weapon. |
| 13:27.50 | Tain | But your big stealth attacks (Ambush) requires dagger. |
| 13:28.12 | Tain | So most Rogues will switch into dagger on stealth, and then switch to swords in melee. |
| 13:28.26 | Tain | Well I shouldn't say most. I don't know that it's most. But a lot. |
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| 13:30.10 | Corrodias | i see |
| 13:31.07 | Corrodias | i'm going to have to make a mule character. |
| 13:32.23 | Corrodias | but my poor hunter is collecting pets (soulbound) and he needs quick access to his tradeskill supplies so they can't be mailed around.. |
| 13:40.23 | Ktron|sleep | purl, ktron_asks |
| 13:40.27 | purl | well, ktron_asks is How hard would it be to make an addon that changes the color of all the names of your friends/guildmates when you see in them in chats? so you could pick them out of general, or pick your friends out of /guild |
| 13:48.07 | Corrodias | damn. i want to check the auction house but it's maintenance time |
| 13:48.40 | Corrodias | I DONT KNOW OMG LOL |
| 13:49.04 | Corrodias | but you picked the right place to ask! oh, well. maybe you can ask in a few hours and someone will be here. i'm going to bed, so 'ni all |
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| 14:18.10 | Beladona | ola |
| 14:18.37 | Kalroth | hi Bela |
| 14:20.29 | End | moo |
| 14:21.01 | Kalroth | m00 |
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| 14:53.09 | Kalroth | hej Leg! |
| 15:06.17 | krka | would it be a good idea to set the OnEvent handler upon OnLoad? |
| 15:06.24 | krka | to minimize global functions |
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| 15:23.04 | Osagasu | Wark! |
| 15:23.36 | Maldivia | ARgh |
| 15:23.58 | krka | hmm... this will work, I can probably avoid global functions alltogether |
| 15:25.02 | Maldivia | Hmm, anyone got a link to Iriels "actual 1.9 api changes" thread? |
| 16:02.12 | Legorol | oh dear, oh dear, you can't underestimate people's stupidity :( |
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| 16:02.33 | Legorol | someone made a post where he calculated the man-hours necessary in crafting all the various materials needed for the AQ war effort |
| 16:02.46 | Legorol | and someone responded, quote: "That math is flawed because it assumes that only 1 person on each side will be doing the crafting, which we all know isnt true." |
| 16:11.29 | futrtrubl | wth, is the responder touched in the head? |
| 16:12.55 | Legorol | Can someone knowledgable about things Acey clue me up on this: |
| 16:13.05 | Legorol | There is an Ace 1.3 download available on various mod sites, bu |
| 16:13.17 | Legorol | but the official Ace page says 1.3 is in development |
| 16:13.27 | Legorol | also there is no download for 1.3 on www.wowace.com |
| 16:13.48 | Legorol | Is this 1.3 up on mod sites just a fix for 1.9? How is it related to the upcoming "official" release? |
| 16:15.53 | Maldivia | no idea :) |
| 16:16.54 | Maldivia | probably the development version of 1.3 that's availble - one that might previously have been listed under the bete/prerelease section on wowace.com |
| 16:17.27 | Maldivia | since they are listed on wowace.com: "These have been removed for the time being. You can still find links blah blah" |
| 16:24.38 | Ktron|AFK | wait until Kaelten appears, he'll know |
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| 16:30.37 | [MoonWolf] | Tip : Do one thing every day, that scares the person you are stalking. |
| 16:33.36 | Ktron | For example, remind them when they need to buy new shampoo or shower soap. |
| 16:34.01 | Legorol | Is there a site or page that lists which races can get which other races' mounts? |
| 16:34.24 | Ktron | um... I'm not sure, but |
| 16:34.34 | [MoonWolf] | Everybody can get every other mount from their side, except for the taurens |
| 16:34.36 | [MoonWolf] | they cant. |
| 16:34.54 | Ktron | dwarf and gnomes can get all alliance, humans and night elves can get all but mechanostriders |
| 16:35.02 | [MoonWolf] | oh |
| 16:35.05 | [MoonWolf] | did not know that. |
| 16:35.08 | Ktron | and the tauren thing |
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| 16:35.18 | Ktron | and I think that's all of the limitations |
| 16:35.25 | Shouryuu | rawr? |
| 16:35.51 | Ktron | ey Shouryuu |
| 16:36.00 | Shouryuu | hey :p |
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| 16:51.32 | Beladona | back soon |
| 16:52.55 | id` | <Beladona> I am taking ninja monkey classes |
| 16:52.55 | id` | <Tain> Do you fling poo and disappear in a cloud of smoke? |
| 16:54.14 | End | hmm, it really wouldn't surprise me if 1.9.1 was today |
| 16:54.50 | Legorol | End: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=6605881&p=1&tmp=1#post6605881 |
| 16:55.39 | End | oh, heh |
| 16:55.53 | End | guess I was right |
| 16:59.54 | Legorol | ooh? |
| 17:00.24 | End | hahaha |
| 17:00.52 | End | all these people posting about the /split command |
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| 17:06.33 | ForgottenLords | whats the interface number we are supposed to have in our .toc? |
| 17:06.36 | ForgottenLords | 10900? |
| 17:07.08 | End | yeah |
| 17:07.09 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 17:07.14 | ForgottenLords | kk, cool |
| 17:12.56 | Shouryuu | rawr out |
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| 17:20.58 | Maldivia | End: about /split - for some reason, I doubt any of them have actually used it :) |
| 17:21.37 | Maldivia | ... and it looks as if it's the actual API call that's been disabled, since the slash command is still present |
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| 17:39.21 | Tain | Probably be 10910 after today |
| 17:40.12 | Elkano | was 1.9.1 released? |
| 17:40.34 | Maldivia | yes |
| 17:40.41 | kremonte | what is /split? |
| 17:40.53 | Maldivia | splits money between party members |
| 17:41.04 | kremonte | oh |
| 17:41.09 | kremonte | boo |
| 17:41.10 | Tain | If you want o quit a group while doing a disco boogie at the same time you can /split |
| 17:41.18 | kremonte | i was hoping it split an array |
| 17:41.28 | kremonte | or rather |
| 17:41.31 | kremonte | a string into an array |
| 17:41.49 | kremonte | ..or rather, a string into a table |
| 17:42.04 | Maldivia | you want "abc" > {"a", "b", "c"} ? |
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| 17:42.38 | Tain | Well, that's not likely smething that would be a slash command |
| 17:42.39 | kremonte | no, split by regex |
| 17:42.50 | kremonte | Tain: shh :[ |
| 17:43.20 | kremonte | Maldivia: like split(":", "a:b:c") => {"a", "b", "c"} |
| 17:43.22 | Elkano | are the patch notes live, yet? |
| 17:43.33 | Maldivia | kremonte: ohh, that should be easy : |
| 17:43.47 | Maldivia | http://lua-users.org/wiki/SplitJoin |
| 17:44.00 | Lebannen | http://lua-users.org/wiki/SplitJoin |
| 17:44.03 | Lebannen | lol |
| 17:44.10 | Maldivia | Elkano: yes |
| 17:44.13 | kremonte | whaaaa why wasn't i linked to that before T_T |
| 17:44.19 | kremonte | me and guillotine spent hours |
| 17:44.42 | Lebannen | google found it pretty easily when I was looking for it a week or two ago :) |
| 17:44.43 | Maldivia | kremonte: google lua split :) |
| 17:45.00 | Maldivia | and it's the 3rd link |
| 17:45.11 | kremonte | grr wtf |
| 17:45.36 | kremonte | can i teleport you into the channel 3 weeks ago =D |
| 17:45.49 | Maldivia | I was in the channel 3 weeks ago.. probably afk though :) |
| 17:46.01 | kremonte | yea you were afk ;_: |
| 17:46.21 | Maldivia | btw, new API function with 1.9.1 |
| 17:46.35 | Maldivia | r, g, b, hex = GetItemQualityColor(quality) |
| 17:46.53 | kremonte | grr |
| 17:46.54 | kremonte | i just keep getting rammed now |
| 17:46.54 | futrtrubl | Maldivia, you have lost your afk privilidges now ;'] |
| 17:47.05 | Maldivia | ohh ? |
| 17:47.08 | kremonte | now i gotta redo GetLink |
| 17:47.46 | Maldivia | well, just say my name - and it'll highlight - should draw my attention :) |
| 17:48.17 | kremonte | no Maldivia, you're not allowed to go afk |
| 17:48.25 | Maldivia | kremonte: well, it's the way ITEM_QUALITY_COLOR table was fixed :) |
| 17:48.40 | kremonte | Maldivia: in getlink i made ITEM_QUALITY_HEXCOLOR >< |
| 17:48.53 | Maldivia | hex was added in 1.9.0 |
| 17:49.03 | Lebannen | I get a returned value of MORE_CASH_REQUIRED when I try that, kremonte |
| 17:49.09 | Maldivia | to the ITEM_QUALITY_COLOR table... all the values were wrong though.. hehe |
| 17:49.12 | kremonte | Lebannen: !!! |
| 17:49.40 | kremonte | ./notice Lebannen Kremonte wants to trade with you. =P |
| 17:49.49 | futrtrubl | why didn't they just have ITEM_QUALITY_COLOR[quality] = {r,g,b,hex} would have been easier |
| 17:49.49 | Elkano | kremonte, thx 4 this addon btw :) it made me start reworking on mine :) |
| 17:49.57 | Lebannen | :) |
| 17:50.00 | kremonte | =D |
| 17:50.14 | kremonte | futrtrubl: that wouldn't make sense |
| 17:50.28 | Maldivia | futrtrubl: they still have |
| 17:50.29 | Elkano | btw: do you know mine? it sth like he bigger bother of yours ^^ |
| 17:50.39 | kremonte | yeah, Elkano :) |
| 17:50.42 | Elkano | s/bother/brother |
| 17:50.58 | Maldivia | futrtrubl: now it's just initialized like ITEM_QUALITY_COLOR[i].r, ITEM_QUALITY_COLOR[i].g, ITEM_QUALITY_COLOR[i].b, ITEM_QUALITY_COLOR[i].hex = GetItemQualityColor(i); |
| 17:50.59 | kremonte | oh, and i learned that some returns are invalid..but only very rare ones |
| 17:51.17 | kremonte | only 1 (or 2, i'm not sure) people on my server have the epic mace drop off emporer in BRD |
| 17:51.31 | kremonte | and since they quit it's in my cache but not linkable (dc) |
| 17:51.53 | Maldivia | ALL the colors (except Common / white) were wrong |
| 17:52.28 | Elkano | kremonte, getiteminfo ~= NIL doesn't mean it's linkable ^^ |
| 17:52.36 | kremonte | yup =( |
| 17:52.42 | kremonte | never happened to me before |
| 17:52.50 | kremonte | damn cache |
| 17:52.51 | Maldivia | well, it's the best way to test :) |
| 17:53.04 | Elkano | well, that's why my addon shares valid links between users :) |
| 17:53.16 | kremonte | synergs -c synergy.conf -f |
| 17:53.18 | kremonte | ooops |
| 17:53.26 | krka | any nice way of stopping autoshot with wand+ |
| 17:53.35 | krka | it's very annoyign that i can't cast spells while shooting with wand |
| 17:53.43 | Maldivia | too bad we're not allowed to send custom-hyperlinks |
| 17:53.53 | kremonte | Maldivia: ;) |
| 17:53.53 | Maldivia | SpellStopCasting() |
| 17:54.19 | Maldivia | CastSpellByName("Shoot"); SpellStopCasting() |
| 17:54.32 | Maldivia | = 1 wand cast |
| 17:54.44 | Elkano | btw Maldivia, where can I find the patchlog for 1.9.1? it's not on the us page (or I missed it) |
| 17:55.04 | Maldivia | Elkano: hmm, patch.html / patch.txt files in the wow folder :) |
| 17:55.21 | kremonte | Maldivia: wooh that's a macro |
| 17:55.26 | Elkano | im not US, so I've to wait until tomorrow ^^ |
| 17:55.29 | kremonte | i didnt think of spellstopcasting |
| 17:55.47 | Elkano | thx |
| 17:55.53 | krka | ah... spellstopcasting of course |
| 17:56.07 | Maldivia | hmm... |
| 17:56.47 | Maldivia | http://nerdheaven.dk/~the_real/wow/patch.html |
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| 17:57.42 | kremonte | hey tem |
| 17:57.48 | Maldivia | Morning Tem |
| 17:58.05 | Tem | "morning" people |
| 17:58.21 | Tain | ~mornings |
| 17:58.22 | purl | Mornings MUST be destroyed! (see also http://www.destroymornings.com/) |
| 17:58.29 | Maldivia | NOO |
| 17:58.57 | kremonte | no. |
| 17:58.59 | kremonte | ~ugt |
| 17:59.01 | purl | well, ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. |
| 17:59.01 | Maldivia | it's morning when you feel like it... for instance, right now it's 7pm here :) |
| 17:59.11 | kremonte | whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning |
| 17:59.13 | Lebannen | Maldivia: there is a way to send custom hyperlinks... at least for changing the text, although it still has to link to the same item... |
| 17:59.28 | kremonte | http://dan-rouse.com/wowimg/kapoof.jpg =P |
| 17:59.36 | Maldivia | Lebannen: yeah, I know - but people who dont have that mod sees "weird" text |
| 17:59.42 | kremonte | Maldivia: nope |
| 17:59.48 | kremonte | check the link |
| 18:01.02 | Maldivia | ohh, I'm not talking about suffixes - I'm talking about sending something not |Hitem:xx or |Henchant:xx |
| 18:01.13 | kremonte | i can do prefixes too =p |
| 18:01.20 | Maldivia | I know about the suffix spoofing - it's annoying |
| 18:01.24 | kremonte | http://dan-rouse.com/wowimg/flamedeflector.jpg =P |
| 18:01.50 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 18:02.46 | Maldivia | and people go beserk when you send them a link of thunderfury with +22int :) |
| 18:02.54 | Maldivia | or +spell power |
| 18:03.54 | Tem | so that is still possible? |
| 18:04.02 | Tem | I thought they had fixed that in 1.9 |
| 18:04.02 | Lebannen | is that how Rockbiter ended up on those mail leggings of sorcery? |
| 18:04.04 | kremonte | http://dan-rouse.com/wowimg/superleetcasterring.jpg |
| 18:04.11 | kremonte | Lebannen: no, that's not an enchant; |
| 18:04.16 | Maldivia | Lebannen: nope - that's a bug :) |
| 18:04.20 | kremonte | it's enchant ID#1 |
| 18:11.34 | *** join/#wowi-lounge purl (i=ibot@pdpc/supporter/active/TimRiker/bot/apt) |
| 18:11.34 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge is Happy Coding! |
| 18:11.52 | Celandro | http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=masochist |
| 18:12.00 | kremonte | lol |
| 18:12.09 | futrtrubl | ~masochist |
| 18:12.11 | purl | Masochist : MASS ` O ` KIST : <see also sendmail> |
| 18:12.13 | Tain | Well you know what they say. |
| 18:12.16 | Tain | haha |
| 18:12.21 | kremonte | sendmail LOL |
| 18:12.24 | Tain | That's awesome. |
| 18:12.27 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 18:12.53 | Tain | A masochist says, "Whip me!" A sadist says, "No." |
| 18:13.37 | Ktron | what did the /split command used to do? |
| 18:13.45 | kremonte | split money w/ party |
| 18:13.48 | kremonte | stupid command |
| 18:13.51 | Tain | You would do a Moonwalk while leaving a group. |
| 18:13.54 | Maldivia | _very_ stupif |
| 18:13.57 | [MoonWolf] | Tain good one |
| 18:14.14 | kremonte | with a pattern, how would i just match what's between ()'s |
| 18:14.16 | Ktron | i was expecting like |
| 18:14.19 | kremonte | abc (defg |
| 18:14.21 | kremonte | err |
| 18:14.28 | kremonte | abc (defg) i want to match defg |
| 18:14.50 | Tain | Hey some of us used to actually have to do that in order to have heat in the winter, Ktron. :) |
| 18:15.09 | kremonte | split firewood? how primitive. |
| 18:15.15 | Tain | Yep. |
| 18:15.25 | Maldivia | I just turn on the computer... |
| 18:15.47 | Tain | Thankfully we got a coal stove after that, a lot easier. |
| 18:15.56 | Elkano | btw: how about changing "Okay" to "Damn..." in this error message? http://home.arcor.de/iruwen/wow_worlddown.jpg |
| 18:16.13 | Ktron | heh, so, splitting wood is normal, I wasn't suggesting otherwise |
| 18:16.35 | Ktron | I bet some of your /flirt and /dance, so no surprise if /split was a ingame and out of game thing |
| 18:16.58 | Elkano | kremont "%((.+)%)" ? |
| 18:17.08 | Tain | Disco Stu says let's boogie |
| 18:17.22 | Fanook|School | that should work assuming no |
| 18:17.33 | Fanook|School | assuming no () in defg |
| 18:17.46 | Maldivia | Elkano: hmm, what about /sob ? |
| 18:18.06 | Elkano | /sob? |
| 18:20.07 | Maldivia | Elkano: for the Okay button :) |
| 18:20.17 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Iriel (n=daniel@adsl-66-123-190-42.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) |
| 18:20.59 | Maldivia | Iriel: new API command for your list: r, g, b, hex = GetItemQualityColor(quality) -- new as of 1.9.1 |
| 18:21.44 | Elkano | hiho Iriel :) |
| 18:21.51 | Maldivia | ohh... and morning :) |
| 18:23.05 | Iriel | Maldivia : Which thread is that in? |
| 18:23.20 | Iriel | Or is it just in today's patch (assuming we have one?) |
| 18:23.22 | Maldivia | it's in UIParent.lua :) |
| 18:23.28 | Maldivia | todays patch |
| 18:23.43 | Iriel | Ah, it's not technically an API function then |
| 18:23.48 | Maldivia | it is |
| 18:23.55 | Iriel | Oh, it's REFERENCED in UIParent.lua? |
| 18:23.59 | Maldivia | yep |
| 18:24.04 | Iriel | Gotcha, cool. |
| 18:24.10 | Maldivia | ITEM_QUALITY_COLOR is now build in UIParent.lua - from that function |
| 18:24.13 | Elkano | so ITEM_QUALITY_COLORS[i].hex will work now, too? |
| 18:24.21 | Maldivia | Elkano: shoud work, yes |
| 18:25.01 | Maldivia | LOL |
| 18:25.03 | Elkano | btw: is it _COLOR or _COLORs? |
| 18:25.12 | Maldivia | COLORS |
| 18:25.17 | Maldivia | ITEM_QUALITY_COLORS |
| 18:25.25 | kremonte | grr cmon, servers arent up yet -.- |
| 18:25.35 | Elkano | ok :) just wondered since you've all written color before ^^ |
| 18:25.39 | Maldivia | lol... someone forgot something: GameTooltip_AddNewbieTip(FIXME, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0, NEWBIE_TOOLTIP_GUILDREMOVE, 1); |
| 18:25.53 | kremonte | haha |
| 18:26.01 | Elkano | FIXME? ^^ nice :) |
| 18:27.14 | kremonte | ITEM_QUALITY_COLORS[4].hex would = ffa335ee? |
| 18:27.22 | kremonte | (for example) |
| 18:27.26 | kremonte | before i break my mod =P |
| 18:27.35 | Elkano | BTW: Since post 1.9 has mostly settled in the forums and I can't post in the US forums: would so be so kind to request a way to obtain the itemid from a tooltip if it's based upon an item? |
| 18:27.40 | Maldivia | would be "|cffa335ee" |
| 18:27.51 | kremonte | -_-" cmon |
| 18:27.52 | Maldivia | if it follows the 1.9.0 format |
| 18:28.12 | kremonte | grrr |
| 18:29.17 | Iriel | Elkano : I believe that's been asked for already, but I could be misremembering |
| 18:29.41 | Maldivia | kremonte: a 1.9.0 entry looked like: [0] = { r = 0.8, g = 0.8, b = 0.8, hex = "|cffcccccc" }; |
| 18:29.45 | Iriel | What is with WoWInterface this morning! |
| 18:30.00 | kremonte | >.> |
| 18:30.14 | Maldivia | kremonte: and the files that use ITEM_QUALITY_COLORS haven't been changed, so I assume the hex parameter contains the |c in 1.9.1 |
| 18:32.50 | Elkano | hmm would be nice since it would remove the need for hooking almost every function showing an item tooltip (I still wonder why my addon only sometimes works for loot items :/ ) |
| 18:33.23 | kremonte | the item cache is like the windows registry. nobody knows how it works |
| 18:33.25 | kremonte | ;) |
| 18:34.03 | Elkano | well, I'm not having any problems with the cache up to now :) |
| 18:35.54 | Maldivia | Elkano: the number of tooltip calls is limited... so it's only a few function to hook :) |
| 18:36.53 | krka | yay, my flexbar ripoff is kinda working and kinda looking ok:ish |
| 18:37.18 | Elkano | well, atm I'm hooking 7 of them ^^ but somehow I sometimes seem to miss GameTooltip.SetLootItem since when I put debug code there it isn't called :/ |
| 18:38.50 | Maldivia | SetLootItem is when you hover over the item in the loot window, right? |
| 18:39.44 | Elkano | should be. |
| 18:40.13 | Iriel | I think our understanding of the item cache is pretty good. |
| 18:40.39 | Maldivia | considering the number of item-database sites - yeah :) |
| 18:40.46 | Iriel | The recent 'mystery' was more a symptom of lack of observation than anything else. |
| 18:41.48 | kremonte | it's still a mystery! |
| 18:41.58 | kremonte | evil things happen when you mess with the item cache |
| 18:42.18 | Maldivia | depends on how you mess with it |
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| 18:43.32 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Shouryuu (n=Shouryuu@88.239.97-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 18:43.34 | Shouryuu | rawr |
| 18:43.39 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 18:44.18 | Maldivia | baah |
| 18:45.32 | Maldivia | ohh... servers are up... |
| 18:45.55 | kremonte | ! |
| 18:46.11 | Maldivia | GRR |
| 18:46.19 | kremonte | grr? |
| 18:46.43 | Maldivia | I hate that the game disables all mods when it patches, and doesn't asks anymore if it should load out-of-date |
| 18:46.45 | krka | how do I check if I'm currently auto-wanding? |
| 18:47.17 | Maldivia | have wand in an action slot, and check IsCurrentAction ? |
| 18:47.28 | krka | that's what I'm doing... hmm |
| 18:48.04 | Maldivia | kremonte: confirmed, the hex has |c in front of it :) |
| 18:48.26 | krka | maybe I'm doing something else wrnog :) |
| 18:49.04 | Maldivia | haven't actually tried it with wand - but works with normal melee auto-attack |
| 18:49.36 | krka | should be the same thing |
| 18:49.48 | Maldivia | lol... |
| 18:50.14 | Shouryuu | do it the hardcore way |
| 18:50.18 | Maldivia | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.24 | kremonte | Maldivia: yup |
| 18:50.28 | kremonte | it still works though thank god |
| 18:50.28 | Shouryuu | why? |
| 18:51.14 | krka | ok, any way to check if a spell is in progress? |
| 18:51.30 | Shouryuu | someone asked that the other day on the forums |
| 18:51.32 | Shouryuu | never saw an answer |
| 18:52.03 | krka | except the evens |
| 18:52.05 | krka | events |
| 18:52.25 | Shouryuu | you could always parse the combat log for "you do X damage with wand" |
| 18:52.27 | Shouryuu | and |
| 18:52.50 | Shouryuu | if your wand's attack speed is Y, if after Y seconds you don't see that again then you're not wanding |
| 18:52.54 | Shouryuu | but that would be HIGHLY inacurate |
| 18:53.00 | Shouryuu | I guess =p |
| 18:53.34 | krka | SpellStopCasting doesn't stop wand |
| 18:53.51 | Maldivia | krka: ehh, it does for me :) |
| 18:54.01 | krka | weird |
| 18:55.05 | Shouryuu | does ToastThief come aroud here anymore? |
| 18:55.19 | krka | how annoying that it doesn't work for me |
| 18:55.20 | Fanook | !@#$$! Why does Bib Action Bars insist on resetting to the defaults everytime i patch... |
| 18:55.28 | krka | could it be cause I'm doing it from RunScript? |
| 18:55.55 | krka | DOH |
| 18:55.56 | krka | i see it now |
| 18:56.09 | krka | i first convert the string to a function, and then run that through RunScript |
| 18:56.09 | krka | :( |
| 18:56.26 | krka | no wonder it didn't run |
| 18:59.00 | kremonte | w00t |
| 18:59.25 | krka | local function isShooting() |
| 18:59.25 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.25 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.25 | krka | end |
| 18:59.27 | krka | why doesn't that work? |
| 19:01.31 | Iriel | Isn't it "Shoot Wand" ? |
| 19:01.46 | Iriel | (No game access, wild guess) |
| 19:01.48 | krka | says shoot in my spell book |
| 19:01.51 | kremonte | the spell cast name is Shoot, but the attack is called Shoot Wand |
| 19:01.59 | krka | it finds the slot ok, so that's not the problem |
| 19:02.07 | kremonte | ie CastSpellByName("Shoot"); Your Shoot Wand hits Rabbit for 85. |
| 19:02.20 | Iriel | Ah, that'd explain the confusion then. |
| 19:02.42 | krka | fixed it! |
| 19:02.49 | Iriel | Try IsAutoRepeatAction |
| 19:02.50 | krka | it was IsAutoRepeatAction I needed |
| 19:03.28 | krka | i'll get some screens of my new addon |
| 19:04.02 | Beladona | ugh |
| 19:04.39 | kremonte | grr i cant find gnash |
| 19:04.42 | kremonte | and it wont compile |
| 19:04.52 | [MoonWolf] | kremonte, same here. |
| 19:04.56 | pagefault | hmm |
| 19:04.57 | pagefault | patch |
| 19:05.02 | Beladona | I wish that custom interface kit had a command line option to make it extract |
| 19:05.08 | Tain | Yeah Bel |
| 19:05.10 | kremonte | pagefault: tiny one |
| 19:05.12 | Beladona | can't get it to run under cedega |
| 19:05.19 | kremonte | boo cedega |
| 19:05.24 | kremonte | yay synergy ^^ |
| 19:05.36 | Beladona | so I am stuck remoting into my windows box at home to get the patch files =( |
| 19:06.46 | kremonte | yea why the hell do they do that again? |
| 19:07.07 | pagefault | yes |
| 19:07.08 | pagefault | I just noticed that |
| 19:07.10 | pagefault | annoying |
| 19:07.17 | Beladona | because they are tired of people posting support questions to the effect of "Why doesn't XYZ work anymore" |
| 19:07.27 | Shouryuu | well |
| 19:07.29 | Beladona | I like it |
| 19:07.32 | Shouryuu | we are answering them |
| 19:07.36 | Iriel | It takes you what, 10 seconds, to fix that |
| 19:07.37 | Beladona | forces stupid users to look |
| 19:07.52 | Tain | Yeah, after I try to figure out why I'm getting errors on login. |
| 19:08.09 | Beladona | unless your addon uses the global Saved Vars |
| 19:08.14 | Beladona | then you lose it |
| 19:08.25 | Iriel | An in that case, you deserved to lose it. (If you wrote the addon) |
| 19:08.29 | Beladona | aye |
| 19:08.31 | Iriel | Or you shouldn't use the addon (If someone else did) |
| 19:08.34 | Tain | So wait they didn't change the toc number |
| 19:08.41 | Beladona | of course not |
| 19:08.52 | kremonte | Iriel: im lazy |
| 19:08.57 | kremonte | i dont wanna recheck it! |
| 19:09.14 | Tain | If I checked it, leave it checked. |
| 19:09.19 | Beladona | I have a request |
| 19:09.24 | Beladona | hopefully someone can help me |
| 19:09.26 | *** join/#wowi-lounge MentalPower (n=chatzill@host-70-45-80-48.onelinkpr.net) |
| 19:09.33 | Beladona | anyone have the wow-patch file for this patch? |
| 19:09.33 | Tain | And don't change my deskto shortcut back to running the luancher, either. |
| 19:09.35 | krka | hmm... 1 meg pics |
| 19:09.35 | krka | damn it |
| 19:09.36 | Iriel | I guess an optimization would be 'dont uncheck it unless the toc version number changes" |
| 19:09.46 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Natasem (n=Natasem@63.197.112.216) |
| 19:09.57 | Beladona | I can't run wow via RDP obviously, but I need to trigger the patch |
| 19:09.58 | Tain | How about popping up a window the first time after a patch asking you. |
| 19:10.28 | Iriel | Beladona : Are you sure you can't get it to the patch point via RDP? |
| 19:10.44 | Beladona | I can try, but it won't run dx programs |
| 19:11.03 | Iriel | Beladona : Oh. |
| 19:11.15 | Tain | Beladona: I just logged in but I don't see any patch exe |
| 19:11.26 | Beladona | it is only there when you download it |
| 19:11.33 | Beladona | BNUpdate deletes it when it is done patching |
| 19:11.52 | Beladona | so the enxt question is, anyone here NOT run the aptcher yet? |
| 19:11.57 | Beladona | *patcher* |
| 19:11.57 | Iriel | I haven't |
| 19:12.06 | Iriel | But I wont be doing it until I get home |
| 19:12.07 | Beladona | you are at work tho right? |
| 19:12.13 | Beladona | =) |
| 19:13.02 | Iriel | Yeah, at least 8-9 hours before i'm patching anything |
| 19:13.22 | Iriel | Unless I get really bored later and set up VPN routing for my work machine |
| 19:13.47 | Beladona | see now |
| 19:13.58 | Beladona | this is why I think they should move the patch checking mechanism to the launcher |
| 19:14.02 | Beladona | =) |
| 19:14.22 | Beladona | leave the check in the exe as well, just in case someone bypasses the launcher, but |
| 19:14.27 | Shouryuu | check if it's uploaded on internet? |
| 19:14.32 | Beladona | did |
| 19:14.34 | Beladona | too new |
| 19:14.59 | krka | http://kristofer.no-ip.info:8080/tmp/wow/ |
| 19:15.03 | Beladona | maybe I can fool my cedega install into thinking it needs the patch |
| 19:15.07 | krka | if anyone want to check out my new actionbutton-thingy |
| 19:16.01 | krka | green borders = castable, red = uncastable, big number in center = cooldown, lower left blue number = mana |
| 19:16.12 | Tain | Alright, no errors on login with my addons, I'm done. |
| 19:16.14 | Beladona | can opnly blame myself, I forgot to copy the wow-patch file out before it finished patching |
| 19:16.19 | krka | and icons swap depending on circumstances |
| 19:17.08 | Tain | I don't want screenshots, where's the addon! |
| 19:17.15 | krka | not ready for release yet |
| 19:17.27 | krka | you DONT want to know how you customize it |
| 19:17.38 | Beladona | with jedi mind tricks? |
| 19:17.41 | Tain | I do, I just want to see if there's anything I can rip out. :) |
| 19:17.54 | Shouryuu | that's really nice krka |
| 19:18.46 | krka | actually, if anyone could code up a gui for setting it up, that would be sweet :) |
| 19:18.50 | krka | http://kristofer.no-ip.info:8080/tmp/wow/Settings.lua |
| 19:18.53 | Tain | No gui |
| 19:18.56 | krka | there is my current setup code |
| 19:18.58 | Tain | GUIs are ameturish |
| 19:19.10 | krka | yes, the settings are made by writing lua :P |
| 19:19.12 | Shouryuu | lol I just use WoW UI designer |
| 19:19.14 | krka | like it should be |
| 19:19.35 | Tain | I tried WoW UI designer. It does make things easy to do simple GUIs. |
| 19:19.41 | Shouryuu | yeah :P |
| 19:19.44 | Tain | But the xml it generated made me cry. |
| 19:19.49 | Shouryuu | all the XML for my add on is done with it |
| 19:19.58 | kremonte | Shouryuu: |
| 19:20.02 | kremonte | delete addon plz |
| 19:20.03 | Shouryuu | took me, 10 mins |
| 19:20.07 | Shouryuu | lol I know |
| 19:20.10 | kremonte | you're using up 4mb of space ^^ |
| 19:20.12 | krka | if anyone claims to understand how the settings work, I can send an alpha of the addon |
| 19:20.19 | id` | me |
| 19:20.20 | id` | :p |
| 19:20.22 | kremonte | krka: i'm good with GUI |
| 19:20.22 | Beladona | gonna try opengl via RDP |
| 19:20.24 | id` | (havent even looked) |
| 19:20.30 | id` | my god the screenshots |
| 19:20.34 | id` | drool |
| 19:20.39 | id` | :D~~~~ |
| 19:20.43 | Shouryuu | but most of my add-on was XML and I had better things to do than kill myself over it |
| 19:20.51 | kremonte | wait krka |
| 19:20.55 | kremonte | those are settings? |
| 19:20.57 | krka | the settings will have to have input fields for code or something |
| 19:21.01 | krka | the Settings.lua yes |
| 19:21.15 | kremonte | hwahhh? |
| 19:21.16 | kremonte | o_O |
| 19:21.27 | kremonte | oh, krkaButtons_Settings? |
| 19:21.27 | krka | they specify which actions go into which buttons, and when they should be available |
| 19:21.33 | krka | yes |
| 19:21.33 | Beladona | open+rdp=no |
| 19:21.33 | id` | kremonte, boo |
| 19:21.37 | Beladona | err opengl |
| 19:21.41 | kremonte | id`: wah? |
| 19:21.48 | id` | krkabuttons.settings |
| 19:21.49 | id` | :p |
| 19:21.54 | Iriel | Try VNC instead of RDP? |
| 19:22.03 | kremonte | function krkaButtons_Settings(characterName, realmName) |
| 19:22.18 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.24 | id` | krkaButtons = {settings={}} |
| 19:22.30 | krka | if you understand that line, you're basically good to go |
| 19:22.32 | kremonte | i didn't write it |
| 19:22.43 | id` | krka, i understand |
| 19:22.52 | kremonte | i do too =X |
| 19:23.05 | id` | kind of, because i dont know all args obviously |
| 19:23.13 | krka | ok, if anyone actually wants to try this out and give me feedback that would be great :) |
| 19:23.17 | krka | zipping it up |
| 19:23.18 | id` | YES |
| 19:23.20 | kremonte | toCast, toSwitch, border/color/icon? |
| 19:23.39 | kremonte | oh icon is newCustom |
| 19:24.00 | id` | Tain, make sure you rip this into visor, (thats a compliment krka) |
| 19:24.01 | id` | :D |
| 19:24.11 | kremonte | ace stinks |
| 19:24.15 | id` | <3 |
| 19:24.16 | Tain | Well, I have to look at it first. |
| 19:24.18 | kremonte | ;) |
| 19:24.26 | id` | how does it stink |
| 19:24.27 | id` | :D |
| 19:24.30 | krka | http://kristofer.no-ip.info:8080/krkaPack.zip |
| 19:24.30 | kremonte | smells bad |
| 19:24.32 | id` | i mean, why |
| 19:24.33 | id` | :> |
| 19:24.39 | Tain | The way functions are added to buttons there is... well let's just say it's incompatible with Visor. |
| 19:24.46 | id` | i know |
| 19:24.47 | Tain | Or, more to the point would overwrite normal functionality. |
| 19:24.55 | krka | no help from me with that version, it's completely unfriendly and alpha |
| 19:25.02 | id` | but the button templates themselves are sexyyyy |
| 19:25.04 | Shouryuu | anyone here ver get logged on the forums as Anonymous or Beta Tester? |
| 19:25.29 | krka | button templates? those are copied from ActionButton.xml O_O |
| 19:25.33 | Tain | Really I've just been thinking of adding a Visor module to do button coloring like that but let you specify only the buttons you want checked (or all) |
| 19:26.06 | krka | I _think_ I can differentiate between energy, mana and rage too... showing different colors for mana cost |
| 19:26.12 | krka | (rage is red, energy is yellow) |
| 19:26.55 | krka | not tested that though |
| 19:28.34 | kremonte | Shouryuu: it's because you're french |
| 19:28.47 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 19:28.51 | Shouryuu | fine pick on me |
| 19:28.54 | Fanook | i get anonymous when the login server goes wonky during patch days |
| 19:29.00 | kremonte | cause anonymous sounds funny w/ a french accent |
| 19:29.00 | Shouryuu | I always get it |
| 19:29.05 | kremonte | anoneemooz |
| 19:29.09 | Shouryuu | lool |
| 19:29.18 | Iriel | I also get the old beta anon thing when the login server is having issues |
| 19:29.22 | kremonte | or behta testaire |
| 19:30.26 | krka | gonna have to add Inventory and Container support too... hm |
| 19:30.40 | Shouryuu | or kraimonteuh? |
| 19:31.32 | id` | haha |
| 19:31.33 | kremonte | Shouryuu: it was originally crémonte |
| 19:31.38 | id` | kraimonteuh |
| 19:31.39 | id` | :D |
| 19:31.42 | Shouryuu | =P |
| 19:31.42 | krka | which one of you actually downloaded it? :) |
| 19:31.51 | kremonte | the last euh is not pronounced =P |
| 19:31.56 | id` | i know |
| 19:31.57 | id` | :p |
| 19:31.59 | kremonte | it's like kruh mont |
| 19:32.03 | Shouryuu | but in french it is :P |
| 19:32.07 | kremonte | no! |
| 19:32.10 | kremonte | in german maybe |
| 19:32.15 | id` | i had french in school too you know :| |
| 19:32.21 | id` | but i dropped it :> |
| 19:32.27 | id` | and i dropped german too :> |
| 19:32.30 | kremonte | lol |
| 19:32.52 | Beladona | good call iriel, VNC works |
| 19:32.53 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 19:32.54 | kremonte | 'kremont' doesn't look right |
| 19:33.13 | kremonte | like an incomplete name :} |
| 19:33.16 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 19:33.18 | id` | Aber Ich spreche noch ein betchen Deutch. Et eun petit peu Francais :|. |
| 19:33.30 | Shouryuu | but if you say it with the poetic voice, it's kremonteuh |
| 19:33.36 | Shouryuu | or if you want to sound corny |
| 19:33.39 | id` | ill stick to dutch and english ;D |
| 19:33.40 | kremonte | and what are you? |
| 19:33.42 | Shouryuu | it's kraimonteuh |
| 19:33.42 | kremonte | shoe dragon? |
| 19:33.49 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 19:33.52 | id` | hahaha |
| 19:34.00 | Shouryuu | hahah that made me laugh real hard =D |
| 19:34.03 | id` | me 2 |
| 19:34.04 | id` | ;P |
| 19:34.06 | kremonte | lol |
| 19:34.20 | Shouryuu | looool |
| 19:34.22 | id` | xD |
| 19:34.23 | ShoeDragon | rawr |
| 19:34.27 | id` | haha |
| 19:34.30 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 19:34.32 | Shouryuu | haha |
| 19:34.39 | id` | <-- Industrial |
| 19:34.40 | id` | :p |
| 19:34.42 | Kremonte | i know |
| 19:34.48 | Kremonte | what kind of name is that? that's a friggin adjective |
| 19:34.48 | id` | at least my name is normal |
| 19:34.59 | id` | its a genre |
| 19:35.00 | id` | :p |
| 19:35.10 | id` | (of music) |
| 19:35.12 | Kremonte | oh right, so i'll make my name Mister E and be like you |
| 19:35.35 | id` | you, you'd have to name yourself mr_badass_gangster_yo |
| 19:35.42 | Kremonte | rap sucks |
| 19:35.43 | id` | ;P |
| 19:35.45 | id` | good |
| 19:35.45 | id` | :D |
| 19:35.49 | Kremonte | krypton sucks |
| 19:36.04 | futrtrubl | vacuums suck |
| 19:36.14 | id` | futrtrubl, ... |
| 19:36.28 | id` | futrtrubl, that just isnt cool |
| 19:36.29 | id` | :D |
| 19:36.34 | Shouryuu | that's untypable |
| 19:36.35 | id` | *cough* |
| 19:36.42 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 19:36.46 | Kremonte | what is untypable |
| 19:36.53 | Shouryuu | futrtrubl |
| 19:36.57 | Shouryuu | and unpronoucable as well |
| 19:36.58 | Kremonte | future trouble? |
| 19:37.07 | futrtrubl | ~me |
| 19:37.16 | purl | methinks futrtrubl is the author of BasicExperienceBar, which can be found on WoWI. |
| 19:37.16 | Kremonte | foo turr troo bul |
| 19:37.21 | id` | ~me |
| 19:37.23 | futrtrubl | exactly Kremonte |
| 19:37.25 | Kremonte | so, we have |
| 19:37.26 | Shouryuu | lol self publicity |
| 19:37.41 | futrtrubl | ~emulate me |
| 19:37.52 | purl | what DOES my name mean anyway? the world may never know |
| 19:37.52 | id` | ~literal me Industrial |
| 19:37.58 | purl | moi? |
| 19:37.58 | Kremonte | a pastry, a shoe dragon, footurrtroobul, and an adjective |
| 19:38.03 | id` | :| |
| 19:38.06 | id` | ~emulate Industrial |
| 19:38.09 | purl | I suck at LUA and rip othe people's code. |
| 19:38.12 | id` | haha |
| 19:38.13 | id` | :D |
| 19:38.13 | Kremonte | hahahahah |
| 19:38.27 | Kremonte | ~emulate me |
| 19:38.28 | purl | I'm stiring up trouble like usual. |
| 19:38.35 | Kremonte | ! cmon thats not even spelled right |
| 19:38.40 | Kremonte | ~factinfo emulate kremonte |
| 19:38.40 | purl | emulate kremonte -- last modified at Sat Dec 3 03:08:32 2005 by futrtrubl!n=not@24-117-41-234.cpe.cableone.net; it has been requested 2 times, last by Kremonte, 12s ago. |
| 19:38.46 | Kremonte | >______> |
| 19:38.49 | id` | Kremonte stirs futrtrubl |
| 19:38.55 | id` | ha ha, :-) |
| 19:39.29 | Kremonte | ~literal emulate futrtrubl |
| 19:39.31 | purl | "emulate futrtrubl" is "<reply> what DOES my name mean anyway? the world may never know" |
| 19:39.58 | Kremonte | ~no, emulate futrtrubl ~= s/never know/never know, and i can't spell!/ |
| 19:40.07 | Kremonte | oops, did i mess that up |
| 19:40.12 | Kremonte | ~no, emulate futrtrubl =~ s/never know/never know, and i can't spell!/ |
| 19:41.08 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ForgottenLords (n=Forgotte@059.216-123-195-0.interbaun.com) |
| 19:43.19 | [MoonWolf] | kermonte forget emulate futrtrubl |
| 19:43.24 | [MoonWolf] | purl forget emulate futrtrubl |
| 19:43.24 | purl | i forgot emulate futrtrubl, [MoonWolf] |
| 19:43.46 | Iriel | can't you use /msg to talk to purl and spare us all? |
| 19:43.47 | krka | found anything useful in it+ |
| 19:43.50 | Kremonte | [MoonWolf]: grglgrlrlgl? |
| 19:44.12 | pagefault | hahaha |
| 19:44.15 | pagefault | apple.com maked me rofl |
| 19:44.27 | pagefault | "what is an intel chip doing in a mac? A whole lot more than it's ever done in a PC" |
| 19:44.31 | pagefault | "sure" |
| 19:45.28 | Natasem | YaY!!! * Mind Control - Now functions properly. Previously, the person who was charmed did not appear to be moving on their screen or any other local clients. |
| 19:45.45 | Natasem | now i can make ppl go splat again off the lumber mill cliff |
| 19:46.23 | ForgottenLords | is the composition of the item link string protected information? |
| 19:46.34 | [MoonWolf] | no |
| 19:47.08 | [MoonWolf] | let me ask somebody |
| 19:47.10 | [MoonWolf] | sec |
| 19:47.21 | ForgottenLords | K, cool |
| 19:50.10 | [MoonWolf] | item:3577:0:0:276308480 |
| 19:50.18 | Kremonte | Natasem: some guy MC'ed me off LM cliff, and i snowmanned like 2cm off the ground =P |
| 19:50.22 | [MoonWolf] | where item is the name the first number is the itemid |
| 19:50.29 | [MoonWolf] | the other numbers not a clue |
| 19:50.33 | ForgottenLords | Ok, thanks |
| 19:50.38 | Natasem | ya you can't snowman anymore |
| 19:50.56 | Kremonte | Natasem: yes you c an, just can't buy snowballs |
| 19:50.58 | Kremonte | item: is always there, itemid:enchantid:of the whatever:item source |
| 19:51.15 | Kremonte | and i have 2 alts with full bags of snowballs =P |
| 19:51.34 | Natasem | The Winter Veil Disguise Kit now has a short casting time and can only be used when not in combat. |
| 19:51.50 | Kremonte | oh? ;_; |
| 19:51.51 | Kremonte | boo |
| 19:51.57 | Natasem | wtfpwnbbqsause |
| 19:51.59 | Kremonte | jeez i havent played in a while |
| 19:52.05 | Kremonte | that sucks |
| 19:52.16 | Natasem | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/patchnotes.html |
| 19:52.40 | Kremonte | yea i havent played in 2 weeks |
| 19:52.59 | Kremonte | saw snowmen in IF this morning, so i didnt think |
| 19:53.00 | Natasem | eh i got 2 bank alts that are 100% full on Snowballs, i gona start selling them around July |
| 19:53.34 | Natasem | ahhh i should have known your one of them slowwwww people (alliance) |
| 19:53.53 | krka | id` find anything useful? |
| 19:53.54 | Kremonte | and you play an undead priest, how cliche |
| 19:54.53 | Natasem | lol i started off as a Dorf Hunter back in week one of retail made it to 60 in like the first monnth then got sick of the kids (attitudes and maturity levels) of the Alliance and went Horde |
| 19:55.14 | Beladona | I think it would be funny as hell if those snowballs started to melt around spring |
| 19:55.20 | Kremonte | so you're judging me by that? |
| 19:55.21 | Natasem | lol |
| 19:55.23 | Lebannen | oh dear... anyone else get a blizzard_inspectui out of date message? Ooooops :) |
| 19:55.30 | Kremonte | Beladona: banks have refridgerators! |
| 19:55.34 | Beladona | haha |
| 19:55.38 | Natasem | qft^^ |
| 19:55.48 | id` | krka, yep :D |
| 19:55.51 | Kremonte | i still have 3 stacks of halloween candy in the bank |
| 19:55.58 | Kremonte | hasnt stuck to my runecloth yet |
| 19:56.00 | Beladona | Lebannen, run the repair.exe |
| 19:56.17 | Natasem | now my holloween candy disapeared, i think some rogue Ninjaed it, but i still have my wands |
| 19:56.20 | Beladona | Mac doesn't have a repair utility? |
| 19:56.22 | krka | like what? |
| 19:56.30 | Lebannen | not that I've seen |
| 19:56.36 | Lebannen | What does the repair utility do? |
| 19:57.01 | Natasem | well thats what ya get lebannen for useing a mac, go *NIX instead |
| 19:57.15 | Natasem | :P |
| 19:57.18 | Lebannen | :p |
| 19:57.45 | Natasem | http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01669p |
| 19:57.46 | Tain | That is sort of a funny statement. |
| 19:58.02 | Beladona | haha |
| 19:58.09 | Beladona | isn't Mac based on unix? |
| 19:58.13 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 19:58.16 | Tain | Yes Beladona. |
| 19:58.20 | Kremonte | sure is |
| 19:58.37 | id` | krka, I'm trying to make it OO to practise :O |
| 19:58.39 | Beladona | and Mac is supported by blizzard to boot |
| 19:58.41 | Natasem | i know thats why i said it |
| 19:58.44 | Beladona | *nix isn't |
| 19:58.46 | krka | ah |
| 19:58.50 | Beladona | oh |
| 19:58.54 | Lebannen | hmm, repair utility does sound handy... the current mac corruption advice is to go reinstall the game |
| 19:58.59 | Kremonte | Note: The utility is currently only available for Windows systems |
| 19:59.04 | krka | the Spell and Custom objects already are |
| 19:59.07 | Beladona | thats kinda sad |
| 19:59.23 | Kremonte | native WoW, NOW! |
| 19:59.27 | Beladona | run linux |
| 19:59.37 | Kremonte | huh, Beladona ? |
| 19:59.45 | Natasem | i wonder what kind of box blizzard uses to run their wow, you think it is a nix server? |
| 19:59.48 | Beladona | I can make repair.exe work |
| 20:00.04 | Kremonte | Natasem: likely |
| 20:00.13 | Beladona | thought I read or heard somewhere it was a custom linux distro |
| 20:00.15 | Kremonte | ctcp version forums.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 20:00.17 | Kremonte | dang! |
| 20:00.18 | Kremonte | =P |
| 20:00.36 | Natasem | well if so then they shouldn't be haveing so many dam problems and they should support Linux / BSD |
| 20:01.00 | Beladona | blizzard has historically only supported win/mac |
| 20:01.02 | Tain | There's a huge difference betwen client and server. |
| 20:01.05 | Kremonte | WoW on PPC! =D =D =D |
| 20:01.16 | Kremonte | hay dude wat u doin on ur pda? grinding! |
| 20:01.26 | Natasem | lol ^^ |
| 20:02.01 | Kremonte | i can imagine someone jumping up in history going "DING! 60!" |
| 20:02.05 | Natasem | Nix users shouldn't have to port of a game that is run off a nix based system, it just doesn't make sence |
| 20:02.16 | id` | lua tables have indices right? |
| 20:02.17 | Natasem | LOL |
| 20:02.22 | id` | how do i push something into the table? |
| 20:02.24 | Tain | What makes you think that the client is developed on a unix based system? |
| 20:02.26 | Iriel | Lua tables have keys |
| 20:02.36 | Iriel | You can use them as 'arrays' or as 'associative arrays' |
| 20:02.37 | Kremonte | table.insert? |
| 20:02.45 | Natasem | Beladonathought I read or heard somewhere it was a custom linux distro |
| 20:02.47 | id` | Iriel, was looking for that |
| 20:02.51 | Iriel | If you're using numeric integer keys starting at 1, then you can use table.insert |
| 20:02.53 | id` | Kremonte, thanks |
| 20:02.57 | id` | k |
| 20:03.00 | Iriel | table.insert(tableName, newValue) |
| 20:03.30 | Iriel | Just note you can't screw around with the contents yourself if you're using table.insert and table.remove (Unless you're willing to pay attention and use table.setn properly as well) |
| 20:03.43 | Iriel | For arbitrary keys you just do tableName[keyValue] = value |
| 20:04.00 | Kremonte | Furthermore, a Blizzard Employee just said in their forums at Battle.net that World of Warcraft Server has a Dual-processor and runs on .... Linux OS ^_^ |
| 20:04.04 | Tain | The WoW servers might run on linux (I have no idea) but that has nothing at all to do with what the clients are capable of running. There's no corrolation whatsoever. |
| 20:04.05 | krka | (unless you never use getn in the first place) |
| 20:04.07 | Kremonte | http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/t15448-sign-the-world-of-warcraft-on-linux-petition.html |
| 20:04.12 | id` | they are supposed to take care of themselves, Iriel :-] |
| 20:04.41 | Iriel | tables in lua do "just work" |
| 20:04.49 | Lebannen | supporting linux might be a bit of a beast |
| 20:04.52 | Iriel | it's just that table.insert/remove/setn/getn all work together |
| 20:05.35 | Kremonte | it shouldn't be THAT much work, if they just port the osx ver |
| 20:05.45 | Iriel | the linux problem is that there are so many versions/distros |
| 20:05.55 | Iriel | tech support is more or less impossible |
| 20:06.05 | Lebannen | and fast opengl on different cards is a bit tricky iirc |
| 20:06.10 | krka | uhm... the distros don't differ THAT much |
| 20:06.18 | krka | you can pretty much use the same binary everywhere |
| 20:06.25 | Tain | You can't just port the osx version to linux. |
| 20:06.34 | Kremonte | Tain: ? |
| 20:06.35 | Tain | krka but there's different gl drivers, different gl cards, etc. |
| 20:06.45 | krka | so what? same thing with windows |
| 20:06.48 | Tain | OSX has a graphic layer that is alwys the same. |
| 20:06.54 | Tain | There's an extraction layer tha thandles it. |
| 20:07.05 | krka | OpenGL? SDL? |
| 20:07.07 | Tain | There's no unified gl exraction layer for "linux" in general. |
| 20:07.46 | Tain | *could* it be done? Yes. It isn't as simple as people seem to think just because OSX is BSD based. |
| 20:08.34 | Tain | It also wouldn't be a Linux version. It would be a Linux version as long as you're running a specific type of gl implementation. |
| 20:08.40 | Natasem | it's not like blizz doesn't have enough money to do it though |
| 20:08.53 | krka | i don't follow about the gl implementation |
| 20:08.56 | Beladona | they could require a minimum version for x, the glx libs, and require Direct Rendering |
| 20:08.56 | Tain | Why should they throw money at something that won't make them money? |
| 20:09.00 | krka | isn't opengl a good enough layer? |
| 20:09.07 | Beladona | other games have done it successfully |
| 20:09.15 | Beladona | Unreal Tournament comes to mind |
| 20:09.17 | Tain | Of course they have. It can be done. |
| 20:09.18 | Natasem | i am sure it would make alot more money |
| 20:09.26 | Tain | Why do you say that, Natasem? |
| 20:09.36 | Kremonte | Tain: they wouldn't make money? |
| 20:09.39 | Kremonte | why wouldn't they? |
| 20:09.40 | Natasem | they would be able to *tap* more of the market, they |
| 20:09.52 | Tain | The amount of linux desktops able to run WoW isn't large comparatively speaking. |
| 20:09.53 | Beladona | I have heard a LOT of linux users who claim they ONLY keep windows around now for wow |
| 20:09.59 | Natasem | would be able to be played on all OS's basicly |
| 20:11.30 | Maldivia | Linux is still a very small niche marked, especially when it comes to gaming |
| 20:11.30 | krka | I don't keep it around even for that :) |
| 20:11.30 | Beladona | I doubt it would be "un-profitable" to port it |
| 20:11.30 | Tain | A lot of linux users isn't squat compared to millions of subscribers. |
| 20:11.30 | Kremonte | http://www.blizzpub.net/petition/ |
| 20:11.30 | Kremonte | 22080 people |
| 20:11.30 | Kremonte | that doesn't = $? |
| 20:11.30 | Tain | Online petitions are hardly reliable. |
| 20:11.30 | Beladona | Tain, that millions of subscribers is already split between windows and mac |
| 20:11.31 | Tain | Yes, 90% Windows. |
| 20:11.31 | Maldivia | well, considering the 22k, that probably 21.5k are already subscribers, and playing on their Wine or Windows - not a real profit |
| 20:11.31 | Natasem | Tain write a letter to Linux or BSD mag's and see if you get a responce |
| 20:11.32 | Beladona | I bet at least 20% of that 90% is linux capable and would like the port |
| 20:11.32 | Kremonte | buying the game again, Maldivia |
| 20:11.40 | Beladona | efinitely at least 10 |
| 20:11.40 | Tain | It doesn't really matter what you or I think, do you think that Blizzard didn't do market research to find out if it would be profitible? |
| 20:11.40 | Kremonte | agreed@beladona |
| 20:11.44 | Beladona | that alone warrants as much attention as Mac |
| 20:11.56 | Maldivia | Kremonte: why should I buy the game again, I already own it? |
| 20:12.05 | Beladona | you wouldn't |
| 20:12.09 | Maldivia | exactly |
| 20:12.10 | Tain | You wouldn't? |
| 20:12.11 | Beladona | they would provide a linux installer |
| 20:12.22 | Tain | Why would they provide you something for free that cost them extra money to develop? |
| 20:12.26 | Beladona | Doom3 recently released theirs |
| 20:12.27 | Maldivia | yeah - so no profit from retail sales |
| 20:12.33 | Beladona | so? |
| 20:12.33 | Natasem | it's not the buying the game that brings in the money it's the monthly subscription |
| 20:12.34 | Kremonte | Tain: you don't realize the boom in linux gaming? |
| 20:12.46 | Kremonte | if you really think linux is a small minority that's far from true |
| 20:12.47 | Tain | From an overall gaming industry standpoint, nope. |
| 20:13.08 | Tain | Look at overall game sales. |
| 20:13.09 | Celandro | I'd like a way to make a boot cd that loaded linux and ran WoW + a browser so I could just put the cd and restart my computer |
| 20:13.16 | Maldivia | the linux gaming marked is smaller than the Mac market |
| 20:13.18 | Tain | Then look at installed Linux base period. |
| 20:13.21 | Kremonte | Tain: game scales are skewed |
| 20:13.22 | Beladona | personally I think wow would be easy to port |
| 20:13.26 | Kremonte | because the games don't exist for linux |
| 20:13.28 | Tain | Never mind ones capabile of actually running games. |
| 20:13.45 | Tain | That might be true Kremonte but it doesn't dismiss the sales numbers. |
| 20:14.01 | Beladona | the linux install base is a lot bigger than you think |
| 20:14.09 | Tain | Remember people can run Linux on systems much less powerful than Windows, especially graphics-wise. |
| 20:14.13 | Tain | No it isn't, Beladona. |
| 20:14.15 | Beladona | the problem is that most linux users also use windows at least in limited form |
| 20:14.18 | Kremonte | yes it is, Tain |
| 20:14.20 | krka | don't underestimate the value of keeping customers happy |
| 20:14.21 | Lebannen | but a good proportion of that linux install base already run WoW, so the advantage of a port is lessened |
| 20:14.33 | Kremonte | yup. that's why so many linux users have a windows install. to play games |
| 20:14.35 | Geometrix | Cel, theroeticly thats posible to do |
| 20:14.52 | Lebannen | or use Wine or whatever the gaming equivalent is (cedega?) |
| 20:14.55 | Kremonte | you can't really get an actual # of linux users who have windows to play games on |
| 20:14.59 | Beladona | the problem isn't the size of the market |
| 20:15.33 | Kremonte | hmm i wonder if i should order some ubuntu CDs |
| 20:15.35 | Beladona | Lebannen, that argument is pretty baseless |
| 20:15.50 | Lebannen | Beladona: how come? |
| 20:15.50 | Beladona | it is the same argument that many companies use to get out of doing things |
| 20:16.07 | Beladona | they can do it with a hack, so why bother? |
| 20:16.07 | Tain | When it makes companies money to do Linux versions, they will. |
| 20:16.21 | Celandro | Geo: I know its possible.. would be a nice way to give people a very safe guaranteed no-trojan WoW |
| 20:16.26 | Beladona | Tain |
| 20:16.26 | Kremonte | Tain: money won't be made if nobody makes the games for linux |
| 20:16.43 | Beladona | UT makes plenty of money simply by making their installs cross-platform |
| 20:16.46 | Tain | I don't disagree with that statement at all, Kremonte. |
| 20:16.53 | Maldivia | well, there's Quake, Unreal Tournament, Bioware games etc |
| 20:16.54 | Tain | But it doesn't make any difference. |
| 20:17.01 | Geometrix | the Only issue I see with it ... is that a CD is ROM, and wow might have issues on logout with savedvars/WTF/WDB ... |
| 20:17.09 | Lebannen | Beladona: but it's a valid argument... businesses are driven by RoI. The return is greater if you pick up customers after performing a task. If the task isn't really necessary because your customers are doing it another way, the RoI is significantly decreased |
| 20:17.31 | Celandro | geo: I would still install WoW onto your regular hard disk partition |
| 20:17.35 | Celandro | and patches would got here too |
| 20:17.37 | Tain | Quake I think is a special case only because they're a smaller development house (compared to Blizzard for example) with people who want to make Linux versions because of their love of it. |
| 20:17.39 | Celandro | go there |
| 20:17.43 | Lebannen | UT and other games of that ilk have the advantage of linux-supporting members on their coding teams |
| 20:17.45 | Beladona | a linux port would be pretty easy to perform |
| 20:17.50 | Lebannen | Look at Loki... |
| 20:18.01 | Geometrix | nah, just have wow/WTF wow/WDB symlinked to your regular drive... ;) |
| 20:18.09 | Tain | Loki is a good, and bad example. Loki was too soon. |
| 20:18.11 | Kremonte | in a matter of figures, how much money would it actually be just to port the game? |
| 20:18.11 | Maldivia | Tain: what about Neverwinter Nights, from Bioware - although it took then nearly a year to get the promised Linux version out |
| 20:18.13 | Celandro | then you need a new CD after each patch |
| 20:18.22 | Lebannen | true Tain |
| 20:18.23 | Celandro | and I dont think all of WoW would fit on a single cd anyhow |
| 20:18.24 | Geometrix | heh ... CD's are cheap |
| 20:18.31 | Geometrix | it wouldnt... |
| 20:18.41 | Tain | Did Bioware publish numbers on how many linux clients ran Neverwinter Nights? |
| 20:18.41 | Geometrix | would have to be a DVD |
| 20:18.53 | Tain | (I'm actually curious, I did play and tried beta clients.) |
| 20:19.05 | Lebannen | I believe WoW *did* have a linux version at one point, actually |
| 20:19.13 | Beladona | I know linux wouldn't match windows for client base |
| 20:19.16 | Beladona | not evne close |
| 20:19.19 | Beladona | but it would match mac |
| 20:19.42 | Tain | I don't think so Beladona. But I can't qualify it with numbers so it doesn't matter. |
| 20:20.05 | Geometrix | all I know is that a portion of my guild runs WoW on linux boxes and swears by it ... |
| 20:20.09 | Beladona | I think too many people play down the numbers |
| 20:20.13 | Tain | I'm thinking actual install base that would/could run WoW. |
| 20:20.16 | Beladona | everyone thinks it is less than it is |
| 20:20.32 | Celandro | the whole idea is to have an iso blizzard could provide that you burn and it would let you load a very stripped down "blizzard linux distro" which would only play blizzard games + a file browser |
| 20:20.36 | Geometrix | Linux + Cedega + WoW ... you can strip the OS down to the barebones needed to run and have a screamin fast WoW Machien ... |
| 20:20.39 | Kremonte | i think too many people are under the pretense that linux has the same userbase as 3 years ago |
| 20:20.54 | Beladona | aye |
| 20:21.05 | Kremonte | linux gaming is a catch 22 imo |
| 20:21.15 | Tain | You're assuming a lot though, Beladona. I don't think the Linux install base is less than it is. I am very much active in Linux communities and have been running Linux of one form or another since around 2004 |
| 20:21.25 | Kremonte | for companies to make games they want the playerbase, but the playerbase will never form if nobody makes games |
| 20:21.25 | Beladona | it will take someone big promoting linux games to make it mainstream |
| 20:21.41 | krka | linux gaming wont happen before linux becomes mainstream |
| 20:21.48 | Kremonte | krka: linux is mainstream |
| 20:21.56 | Celandro | honestly there is 0 reason to make linux games if linux + cedega works |
| 20:22.01 | Tain | Mainstream isn't really the right word. |
| 20:22.01 | Kremonte | if blizzard ports a big game such as WoW to linux, more games in the future would be able to profit more; ie games by blizzard |
| 20:22.06 | Beladona | I disagree |
| 20:22.07 | Kremonte | Celandro: there isn't? |
| 20:22.11 | Celandro | its extra coding effort |
| 20:22.15 | Celandro | and extra QA |
| 20:22.20 | Beladona | cedega was made BECAUSE linux games weren't being made |
| 20:22.29 | Kremonte | ^^agree |
| 20:22.38 | Beladona | and it doesn't work with 70% of the games out there |
| 20:22.57 | Geometrix | Beladona, and that in its self will stop the linux games from being made ... because now if theres demand for a game to run on linux, the company making it doesnt have to pay a cent to get support |
| 20:23.04 | Celandro | sure.. but now its here and works so please tell me how to convince Blizzard to spend $1M on a Linux port when you can already run WoW on linux |
| 20:23.23 | Kremonte | Celandro: cedega doesn't run WoW on my computer well |
| 20:23.35 | Kremonte | Celandro: cedega doesn't run steam on my notebook well |
| 20:23.35 | Beladona | SOME can |
| 20:23.38 | Beladona | not all |
| 20:23.41 | Kremonte | cedega isn't perfect. a port would be |
| 20:23.58 | Beladona | and $1M seems abit large |
| 20:24.06 | Kremonte | $1m for a linux port? |
| 20:24.08 | Celandro | for development, qa and support? |
| 20:24.09 | Kremonte | that seems farfetched |
| 20:24.12 | Beladona | very |
| 20:24.15 | Celandro | I dont think its farfetched |
| 20:24.17 | Kremonte | why would support be different? |
| 20:24.27 | Beladona | it would be the same it is now |
| 20:24.30 | Kremonte | most of the support for WoW comes from the playerbase |
| 20:24.35 | Celandro | theyd need people who could handle linux questions |
| 20:24.43 | Kremonte | ie the playerbase |
| 20:24.44 | Geometrix | Kremonte, no it wouldnt, the issue with Linux, is that its not ... static ... theres no way to know which kernelversion which for of which video drivers ect people will make, so a port would never be perfect ... |
| 20:24.47 | Beladona | you are forgetting something |
| 20:24.47 | Celandro | its not the same.. it would be additional hires |
| 20:24.55 | Kremonte | Geometrix: make a requirement |
| 20:24.55 | krka | i bet bliz could get some genius hacker volunteer to port it |
| 20:25.05 | Beladona | most people that run linux are 10 times smarter than point and click windows users |
| 20:25.06 | Geometrix | games are a whole diffrent beast from office apps ... |
| 20:25.06 | Tain | You still have to look at how many WoW capable Linux systems there are, and how of those how many of those people would actually buy WoW. (or game X) |
| 20:25.13 | Beladona | the support requirements wouldn't be hard |
| 20:25.27 | Kremonte | support would be a non-issue imo |
| 20:25.33 | Kremonte | as is cedega, wine, etc |
| 20:25.36 | Tain | Remember that one of the core reasons that people run Linux is for free (as in beer and as in speech) software. |
| 20:25.43 | Tain | Which commercial games are neither. |
| 20:25.49 | Kremonte | as is cedega |
| 20:25.55 | Kremonte | and people DO buy things for linux |
| 20:25.55 | Shouryuu | rawr |
| 20:25.59 | Beladona | that doesn't mean they won't run commercial products |
| 20:26.01 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 20:26.06 | Kremonte | Shouryuu: shoe dragon! |
| 20:26.19 | Celandro | I still think the best way to go about it is to get a free ISO boot disk that you would burn to a disk, restart your computer and it would automatically find all the games installed on your windows partition that it could support and give you a list of them to choose from |
| 20:26.27 | Beladona | i run linux because I prefer it. I would buy it if it cost money |
| 20:26.33 | Shouryuu | haha |
| 20:26.33 | Celandro | and a web browser |
| 20:26.38 | Kremonte | Celandro: windows partition? |
| 20:26.46 | Tain | I wouldn't, Beladona. I'd run FreeBSD. :) |
| 20:26.48 | Kremonte | i think that's the issue we're pointing at =) |
| 20:26.53 | Celandro | sure.. which for 99% of the userbase would be the entire C drive |
| 20:27.14 | Kremonte | i don't get what you're talking about |
| 20:27.16 | Shouryuu | I run windows because it's the only thing I know! |
| 20:27.23 | Celandro | If I cant give it to my wife and have her do it, its useless |
| 20:27.27 | Kremonte | we, or i, have been arguing that windows should NOT be a requirement |
| 20:27.33 | Shouryuu | actualy, running linux could be a good idea |
| 20:27.38 | Beladona | Celandro, Live CD distributions aren't nearly fast enough to play games effectively |
| 20:27.48 | Shouryuu | I could get to the net, IRC and all, without the fear of wasting my time playing games... |
| 20:27.52 | Geometrix | I run windows, because I'm a lazy american slob who doesnt feel like dicking around with his linux box enough to get Cedega working... ;) |
| 20:27.56 | Kremonte | Shouryuu: ;) |
| 20:28.11 | Shouryuu | no seriously |
| 20:28.15 | Kremonte | i know |
| 20:28.22 | Shouryuu | I'm such a computer addict it's saddening :P |
| 20:28.24 | Kremonte | that's why i support linux so much |
| 20:28.33 | Celandro | if you want people to try linux you need to make it very fast, very simple and fool proof |
| 20:28.39 | Tain | I just use the right tool for the job. Or, the right tool I have for the job. |
| 20:28.42 | Shouryuu | I'm 18, in paris and I spent ALL my holiday doing what? playing WoW or CS... |
| 20:28.42 | Kremonte | Celandro: why? |
| 20:28.52 | Celandro | because they wont bother otherwise |
| 20:28.57 | Kremonte | Celandro: why not? |
| 20:28.58 | Shouryuu | true dat |
| 20:29.02 | Shouryuu | we are lazy |
| 20:29.04 | Kremonte | linux isn't windows |
| 20:29.08 | Celandro | everyone is lazy |
| 20:29.15 | Kremonte | i am not lazy when it comes to my computer |
| 20:29.34 | Beladona | there are purchaseable linux distros that have that Celandro |
| 20:29.35 | Kremonte | you're making a judged assumption of everyone, because you use windows, and you know a guy who uses cedega? |
| 20:29.37 | Shouryuu | people don't like change |
| 20:29.43 | Shouryuu | we are slaves to our nesting instincts |
| 20:29.44 | Celandro | what I want is a boot cd that turns a computer into the equivalent of an XBOX with a browser |
| 20:29.53 | Kremonte | Celandro: that's not a linux port of WoW.... |
| 20:29.57 | Celandro | nope |
| 20:30.00 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 20:30.03 | Beladona | there are Live CDs that you can download for that |
| 20:30.08 | Celandro | still wow running on linux though |
| 20:30.11 | Kremonte | so that defeats the purpose completely |
| 20:30.15 | Kremonte | Celandro: it eliminates the purpose |
| 20:30.19 | Beladona | but again, running an OS from a CD isn't going to be as fast as the installed version |
| 20:30.23 | Kremonte | i keep windows around because i have to boot it up to play games |
| 20:30.31 | Kremonte | so a livecd of linux that can play WoW |
| 20:30.34 | Celandro | it can install to the hard drive at first boot |
| 20:30.34 | Kremonte | makes me..boot it up to play games... |
| 20:30.36 | Celandro | yes |
| 20:30.43 | Kremonte | which completely defeats the purpose! |
| 20:30.55 | Kremonte | that's not a linux port of WoW at all. that's even more farfetched, as it would cost even MORE money to do that |
| 20:31.09 | Kremonte | because it would not only be making a WoW port, but making an entire distrobution on that concept |
| 20:31.21 | Beladona | you are basically talking about creating an environment capable of gaming, that anyone can use |
| 20:31.24 | Celandro | no, I think it would be faster to make a good user friendly cedega live cd |
| 20:31.25 | Celandro | yes |
| 20:31.27 | Beladona | isn't that what cedega already does? |
| 20:31.38 | Kremonte | faster? i havent been talking about speed here |
| 20:31.53 | Kremonte | ive been talking about the code of the game, modified so it can run on my computer |
| 20:31.55 | Celandro | peoples computers have a ton of spyware and other crap on them |
| 20:31.56 | Kremonte | without the need to reboot |
| 20:32.10 | Kremonte | peoples? i haven't had spyware or a virus in more than a year |
| 20:32.20 | Celandro | once people are running off of live cd type things then you can convince the developers to code a native port |
| 20:32.31 | Kremonte | i think this judgement you are doing on everyubodies part is rather rude |
| 20:32.32 | Beladona | people want computers so that they can do a wide variety of things on them |
| 20:32.36 | Tain | It hasn't worked that way yet though, Celandro |
| 20:32.41 | Shouryuu | kraimonteuh - You know how to use your computer, most don't |
| 20:32.43 | Beladona | if they wanted a gaming box, they would go and buy and xbox or a ps2 |
| 20:32.46 | Tain | It is a good theory, but it doesn' tmean it will happen. |
| 20:32.54 | Shouryuu | agreed tain |
| 20:32.58 | Kremonte | Shouryuu: so i get penalized? |
| 20:33.14 | Celandro | maybe |
| 20:33.15 | Shouryuu | no, you don't get spyware or viruses, which is a good thing :p |
| 20:33.16 | Tain | What it also can say is, "Look they're running on Linux anyway and we didn't have to spend any extra money to do it. Cool." |
| 20:33.24 | Kremonte | all i want is an iso, a cd, or an installer, that i could buy or download |
| 20:33.32 | Kremonte | to play WoW on my ubuntu install |
| 20:33.51 | Beladona | that is the same argument ATI has ussed for years to explain why their drivers still fail to support much of the features people have wanted for so long |
| 20:33.57 | Celandro | the userbase for linux isnt high enough to justify it |
| 20:33.59 | Kremonte | Beladona: lol |
| 20:34.02 | Beladona | you can do it now, you just need hacks |
| 20:34.02 | Kremonte | Celandro: yes it is |
| 20:34.11 | Celandro | you think it is, they think it isnt |
| 20:34.16 | Celandro | they are the ones spending the money |
| 20:34.17 | Beladona | all that does is make the developer look like an ass, and sends the person to another vendor |
| 20:34.18 | Kremonte | Celandro: and you know this? |
| 20:34.25 | Kremonte | Beladona: cedega doesn't run WoW well, wine doesn't run WoW well (for me) =/ |
| 20:34.29 | Celandro | because if they thought it was worth it, it would exist |
| 20:34.43 | Kremonte | ugh... we've already said this |
| 20:34.44 | Tain | yeah, but ATI also won't work with other Linux developers to give them information to make drivers. So they're just asses. |
| 20:34.59 | Beladona | aye |
| 20:35.23 | Kremonte | biggest catch 22 i've seen... |
| 20:35.24 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Depherios (n=Deph@67.189.88.161) |
| 20:35.33 | Beladona | I still say a linux port would be pretty damn easy to do, and patches equally so |
| 20:35.47 | Maldivia | Tain: yeah, ATi is annoying for that... |
| 20:35.57 | Maldivia | especially since it would mean FreeBSD drivers aswell |
| 20:36.08 | Beladona | lua would run easily |
| 20:36.16 | Tain | A linux port *might* be easy to do for the code, I do think it's still the graphics system that's the problem. |
| 20:36.23 | Beladona | the only issue they see is the graphics engine |
| 20:36.26 | krka | i dont see why |
| 20:36.28 | Beladona | which would probably need to be opengl |
| 20:36.29 | Kremonte | yup, as far as ati users =/ |
| 20:36.33 | krka | dont wow already use opengl? |
| 20:36.36 | Beladona | but then they would need to fix opengl in wow |
| 20:36.41 | Beladona | it can |
| 20:36.46 | Beladona | wow.exe -opengl |
| 20:36.48 | Shouryuu | man I'm seriously considering going to linux |
| 20:36.52 | Beladona | but it has bugs even in windows |
| 20:36.53 | Maldivia | yeah, the Mac OpenGL implementation should be somewhat easy to port to Linux |
| 20:37.05 | Kremonte | Shouryuu: do it =) you can dual boot (resize ntfs partition) and you have the whole world to help you |
| 20:37.16 | Tain | But that still means that you have to have Linux systems that are already configured to use OpenGL with graphics cards that can use OpenGL. |
| 20:37.21 | Maldivia | from my understanding of the mac opengl interface, that is |
| 20:37.25 | Beladona | personally I think ubuntu is a very easy to setup starter distro |
| 20:37.32 | Shouryuu | I think I am going to, my PC needs a clean up anyways :P |
| 20:37.40 | Beladona | and you can try a live cd if you are afraid to dual boot at first |
| 20:37.41 | Kremonte | Tain: you can't run WoW on windows with no 3d accel either... |
| 20:37.54 | Maldivia | Tain: well, most "dummy instalation" dists already have opengl installed/activated by defaull |
| 20:37.59 | Iriel | I dont understand where this idea of live boot linux + wow came in? |
| 20:38.03 | Iriel | That's just silly |
| 20:38.07 | Kremonte | Iriel: yea lol |
| 20:38.08 | Beladona | agreed |
| 20:38.17 | Iriel | That's running wow in linux for the sake of running wow in linux. |
| 20:38.28 | Maldivia | hehe, yeah |
| 20:38.46 | Tain | Kremonte, yes and let's say for sake of argument that the percentage of Windows install base without opengl capable cards is the same as the percentage of installed Linux base for the same. |
| 20:38.49 | Celandro | you havent had to fix your relatives computers much Im guessing |
| 20:38.52 | Tain | (Which I personally think is a stretch.) |
| 20:38.52 | Kremonte | once i can play WoW on linux all nice and well, i'll have 190gb more to use =D |
| 20:38.58 | Kremonte | Celandro: i have. that's all i do for money |
| 20:39.00 | id` | krka, krkaUtilsTooltip, where is this? :P |
| 20:39.01 | Beladona | and the performance would be akin to running a marathon with a dwarf punching your balls |
| 20:39.03 | Kremonte | i fix computers |
| 20:39.11 | Celandro | oh god no wonder you are so crabby :P (jk) |
| 20:39.18 | Tain | You're cutting down even more on the ones that even CAN run it. |
| 20:39.23 | Kremonte | oh, it gets me sure cranky Celandro. lol |
| 20:39.29 | Beladona | Kremonte, what kind of issues have you had? |
| 20:39.35 | Kremonte | as far as? |
| 20:39.40 | Beladona | wow + linux |
| 20:39.55 | krka | id` a tooltip used for looking up spells and buffs |
| 20:39.57 | Kremonte | smoothly running = 2fps, with spikes of 3's and 4's |
| 20:40.06 | Beladona | ouch |
| 20:40.07 | Tain | If you were to take full Linux home desktop install base then you could make an argument. But you're talking about a percentage of those that would even run WoW. |
| 20:40.15 | Beladona | mine runs as fast as windows |
| 20:40.17 | Kremonte | mac OSX is based on BSD, right? |
| 20:40.23 | id` | krka, yes i know, but where is it :> |
| 20:40.30 | Geometrix | krem, yes it is |
| 20:40.32 | krka | in krkaUtils.xml |
| 20:40.34 | Iriel | Once intel based macs take off |
| 20:40.44 | Tain | Yes it is, based on BSD with uniform hardware. |
| 20:40.44 | id` | ah ok |
| 20:40.47 | Tain | Which is the key. |
| 20:40.56 | Kremonte | then it's not possible to port it to another BSD platform and make OS-dependant parts open source? |
| 20:40.56 | Iriel | I think there's more hope for a cedega equiv for mac software |
| 20:41.24 | Kremonte | the reason i don't like cedega, is that SOME applications work, for SOME users, SOME of the time |
| 20:41.55 | Geometrix | krem, welcome to the world of opensource ... if your hardwares not the same as the development hardware you might have issues ... |
| 20:42.03 | Kremonte | Geometrix: wha? |
| 20:42.08 | Beladona | well cedega wasn't designed to be a fullproof solution |
| 20:42.19 | Kremonte | Beladona: that's my point =) i can't rely on cedega to run WoW |
| 20:42.29 | Iriel | So pay for windows 8-) |
| 20:42.34 | Beladona | I like cedega, but in a way it hurts linux |
| 20:42.40 | Geometrix | thats my experiance with opensource stuff like Cedega ... if your system isnt setup the same as the development box, you might run into issues... |
| 20:42.40 | Kremonte | i have windows, but that means i have to constantly reboot |
| 20:42.45 | Kremonte | and when i'm playing WoW, i can do nothing else |
| 20:42.55 | Beladona | that is when you compile it yourself Geo |
| 20:42.59 | Kremonte | Geometrix: beladona has almost the same exact PC as i do |
| 20:43.03 | Iriel | Eventually you'll reach the point when you can afford to just buy 2 pc's |
| 20:43.04 | Beladona | so that it IS compiled for your box |
| 20:43.05 | Maldivia | Tain: Mac OS isn't based on uniform hardware support... Apple is VERY strict with what hardware they choose to support |
| 20:43.07 | Kremonte | and the same configuration -_- |
| 20:43.17 | Tain | erm That was my point, Maldivia |
| 20:43.19 | Kremonte | Iriel: not enough desk space =P |
| 20:43.27 | Maldivia | Tain: hmm, ok - then I misunderstood you :) |
| 20:43.37 | Iriel | Kremonte : Buy smaller cases |
| 20:43.42 | Kremonte | Iriel: 2 monitors |
| 20:43.48 | Kremonte | not a very big case |
| 20:43.49 | pagefault | cedega will be obsolete pretty soon |
| 20:43.52 | pagefault | wine has caught up a lot |
| 20:43.59 | Beladona | lets hope |
| 20:44.16 | Iriel | A/B input switches on monitors, or differently stacked monitors! |
| 20:44.17 | pagefault | I run WoW in wine, I find it runs faster than cedega |
| 20:44.28 | Beladona | I find wine works less often than cedega |
| 20:44.28 | Iriel | Windows above, linux below, or whatever |
| 20:44.32 | Tain | Well maybe someone will do a fully .NET game soon and you can run it with Mono or DotGNU. :) |
| 20:44.32 | Beladona | for running wow |
| 20:44.34 | Kremonte | stack monitors? yeek that's a pain waiting to happen |
| 20:44.39 | Kremonte | and i base my system around 2 monitors =P |
| 20:44.48 | Maldivia | Tain: please, no! |
| 20:44.57 | Kremonte | but still, i have a windows notebook (and i have synergy set up to use it) but that's still not a 'solution' imo |
| 20:44.58 | pagefault | well there is a bug in WoW that prevents it from working in wine without a patch |
| 20:45.07 | Kremonte | i want it to run with everything else |
| 20:45.11 | pagefault | but if you patch your wine to work around it, it will run good |
| 20:45.11 | Beladona | right |
| 20:45.16 | Beladona | cedega doesn't need that patch |
| 20:45.24 | pagefault | well cedega has the patch |
| 20:45.27 | pagefault | it's just hardcoded into it |
| 20:45.33 | Beladona | and that patch causes problems for other things you try to run in wine |
| 20:45.49 | Beladona | I use wine for normal applications |
| 20:45.55 | Beladona | cedega for gaming |
| 20:45.57 | Beladona | its a good combo |
| 20:46.07 | krka | theres only one yeti place in hillsbrad right? |
| 20:46.14 | Kremonte | yes |
| 20:46.18 | Beladona | far as I recall |
| 20:46.20 | Shouryuu | yup |
| 20:46.26 | Kremonte | best place for grinding |
| 20:46.32 | Beladona | its a good place to get jumped if you are on a pvp server |
| 20:46.34 | Kremonte | 30-31 in an hour and a half on warrior ^^ |
| 20:46.36 | Beladona | =) |
| 20:46.43 | Kremonte | heh, i log my lock there |
| 20:47.39 | Beladona | anyway, I know Blizz will likely never do a linux port. If anything wine and cedega will develop to the point where it just works regardless |
| 20:47.59 | Kremonte | couldnt hurt to try for one though |
| 20:48.04 | Beladona | yeah |
| 20:48.19 | Kremonte | till then im stuck switching USB cables every 5 minutes to play WoW on my notebook |
| 20:48.27 | Beladona | I would be itnerested to know how many of the dev have tried, or do play wow on linux |
| 20:48.41 | Beladona | USB cables? |
| 20:48.47 | Kremonte | keyboard/mouse |
| 20:48.50 | Beladona | buy new ones? |
| 20:48.52 | Kremonte | mouse doesnt work right with synergy |
| 20:48.57 | Kremonte | they don't fit on the same desk, heh |
| 20:49.01 | Beladona | ahh |
| 20:49.10 | Beladona | see I can fit 10 computers in my room |
| 20:49.19 | Kremonte | i can fit about 1 more tshirt into my room |
| 20:49.21 | Kremonte | then i run out of air |
| 20:49.24 | Beladona | haha |
| 20:49.38 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 20:49.46 | Beladona | I used to run lan parties, and I need to start again |
| 20:49.50 | Iriel | I do know slouken used to work for loki |
| 20:50.00 | Iriel | so i'm sure he'd love to see a linux port. |
| 20:50.10 | Beladona | I bet a lot of dev would |
| 20:50.11 | Iriel | But I think he's more of a server guy than a client guy, most of the time. |
| 20:50.18 | Kremonte | slouken needs to be a covert op programmer/server/ui dude |
| 20:50.33 | Kremonte | Beladona: where do you live? =P |
| 20:50.40 | Iriel | Kremonte : get a USB A/B switch |
| 20:50.44 | Beladona | my guess is a linux port has been brought up, and like Tain said, management felt it wasn't worth the effort |
| 20:50.54 | Kremonte | Iriel: i would, but i have a total of $6 right now =P |
| 20:50.56 | Iriel | Kremonte : I have 6 desktops in my room, 5 of which share the same USB keyboard and mouce |
| 20:51.01 | Iriel | mouse, even |
| 20:51.05 | Kremonte | o_O |
| 20:51.15 | Beladona | <-- Beverly Hills, FL |
| 20:51.15 | id` | you rich people |
| 20:51.17 | Kremonte | grr i never should have let my brother get the bigger room. it's huge |
| 20:51.21 | Kremonte | oooh |
| 20:51.31 | id` | i repeat |
| 20:51.32 | id` | you rich people |
| 20:51.34 | id` | :p |
| 20:51.34 | Kremonte | i live in a suburb in NY |
| 20:51.37 | Iriel | It's partly amount of time, more than wealth |
| 20:51.38 | Beladona | lol |
| 20:51.44 | Tain | I hope everything supports Linux some day. It just won't happen until it makes money for someone. |
| 20:51.46 | id` | i have 1 laptop wich barely plays wow gg |
| 20:51.50 | Kremonte | the biggest LAN party in 20 miles in the last year was |
| 20:51.50 | id` | 15fps |
| 20:51.51 | Beladona | I am not rich |
| 20:51.55 | Beladona | I am just comfortable |
| 20:51.55 | Kremonte | a 5man halo tournet |
| 20:51.58 | Kremonte | tourney* |
| 20:51.59 | Iriel | I rarely get rid of machines |
| 20:52.06 | Iriel | They just get re-tasked to something else |
| 20:52.08 | Tain | Or actually there's one sure way for linux to jump into real contention. |
| 20:52.20 | Beladona | people always ask why I have so many computers doing so many things |
| 20:52.21 | Tain | The one thing that has truly driven technology in the last 20 years. |
| 20:52.24 | krka | anyone here remember where Helculars rod is? |
| 20:52.24 | Tain | Porn. |
| 20:52.26 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 20:52.27 | Beladona | and I always say "Because I can?" |
| 20:52.27 | id` | haha |
| 20:52.28 | id` | :d |
| 20:52.46 | Tain | Put out some sort of killer porn "something" that requires Linux and watch the sales. |
| 20:52.47 | Shouryuu | helculars is on the top part of the cavern krka |
| 20:52.59 | Shouryuu | you enter and you go up |
| 20:53.01 | Shouryuu | I think |
| 20:53.04 | Shouryuu | or it drops |
| 20:53.07 | Shouryuu | one or the other |
| 20:53.07 | Kremonte | grrrr |
| 20:53.12 | Beladona | actually |
| 20:53.13 | Kremonte | i just got on WoW, and my sister calls |
| 20:53.18 | Beladona | give Linux 2 yearrs |
| 20:53.21 | Kremonte | "my computer wont turn on, come help" |
| 20:53.21 | Tain | is that the one that drops randomly? |
| 20:53.35 | Beladona | you know what one of the top selling points of an OS right now is? |
| 20:53.36 | Tain | For the raise the dead quest thing? |
| 20:53.40 | Iriel | 2 years? |
| 20:53.41 | krka | ok |
| 20:53.42 | krka | thanks |
| 20:53.42 | Tain | Porn. |
| 20:53.47 | Beladona | Eye Candy |
| 20:53.51 | Beladona | sadly |
| 20:53.53 | Tain | LIke I said. :) |
| 20:53.56 | Beladona | haha |
| 20:54.03 | Natasem | question |
| 20:54.06 | id` | krka, im going mad |
| 20:54.14 | id` | programming 8 ours every day is bad |
| 20:54.17 | id` | hours* |
| 20:54.18 | Iriel | I dont see why 2 years would make a difference without some huge investment from someone like google. |
| 20:54.20 | Beladona | composite managers are coming a long way for linux right now |
| 20:54.25 | id` | well, mixing 3-4 languages after that is bad |
| 20:54.27 | id` | :| |
| 20:54.32 | krka | lol |
| 20:54.34 | Beladona | and in 2 years may outshine if not directly compete with the eye candy in Mac and Windows |
| 20:54.41 | krka | i didn't really aim for readable code |
| 20:54.41 | krka | sorry |
| 20:54.49 | id` | haha np |
| 20:54.53 | Natasem | are we still argueing over the NIX thing? /me hangs head in shame and says "look what i started" |
| 20:54.55 | Iriel | But there's still the usability issue |
| 20:54.56 | krka | seems efficient enough though |
| 20:55.04 | id` | yeah i started reading at the wrong end too |
| 20:55.09 | id` | mm spell... |
| 20:55.12 | id` | spellbook... |
| 20:55.14 | id` | tooltip... |
| 20:55.15 | Kremonte | Natasem: it calmed down ;) |
| 20:55.16 | Iriel | And (occasional exceptions aside) lots of the linux code isn't real good at that |
| 20:55.17 | id` | etc |
| 20:55.17 | id` | :p |
| 20:55.27 | Natasem | what was this /split command? |
| 20:55.33 | Beladona | I am just quoting things I have read. They are saying it may be 2 years before the current highend eye candy features become "enabled by default" in release distributions |
| 20:55.34 | Iriel | it split money between group members |
| 20:55.37 | Kremonte | splits all your $ with your group |
| 20:55.56 | Natasem | all the money in my inventory? |
| 20:56.00 | id` | WIMP IS DEAD |
| 20:56.02 | Beladona | luminosity is one I can't wait to see released |
| 20:56.09 | Maldivia | Natasem: if used incorrectly, yes |
| 20:56.17 | Natasem | wow |
| 20:56.22 | Natasem | glad they took that out |
| 20:56.23 | krka | it has been pissing people off forever |
| 20:56.34 | id` | http://wmii.de/ |
| 20:56.36 | id` | wimp is dead |
| 20:56.37 | id` | :D |
| 20:57.16 | Iriel | Ahh.. plan 9 |
| 20:57.22 | Iriel | I remember seeing that demoed when it was 'new' |
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| 20:57.34 | id` | hah thats a long time ago then |
| 20:57.40 | Beladona | the latest x server has a native compositor |
| 20:57.53 | Beladona | that supposedly almost works with ati drivers |
| 20:58.00 | id` | actually wmii is a *nix window managers but it has strong influences of plan9 (read, some plan9 enthousiasts) |
| 20:58.08 | id` | manager* |
| 20:58.14 | Tain | heh which one, Beladona? |
| 20:58.24 | Kremonte | xorg7? |
| 20:58.28 | Beladona | can't remember the official name |
| 20:58.30 | Beladona | yeah |
| 20:58.34 | Kremonte | or 6.9 |
| 20:58.36 | Beladona | I mean the name of the compositor |
| 20:58.37 | Tain | xorg, xr11 |
| 20:58.47 | Kremonte | oh |
| 20:58.52 | Beladona | it isn't enabled by default though |
| 20:58.54 | Beladona | yet |
| 20:59.13 | Beladona | it is supposedly more stable tthan xcompmgr though |
| 20:59.15 | krka | seems pretty sweet, but I haven't tried it |
| 21:00.38 | Kremonte | my 8 year old little sister just installed ubuntu, haha |
| 21:01.02 | Beladona | lol |
| 21:01.10 | Beladona | Dapper drake looks good |
| 21:01.21 | Beladona | I installed it under vmware and it was actually pretty fast |
| 21:01.30 | Beladona | even on limited emulated hardware |
| 21:01.41 | Kremonte | mm |
| 21:01.45 | Kremonte | i think im gonna wait till stable |
| 21:01.49 | Beladona | me 2 |
| 21:02.01 | krka | id` I had a right end? O_o |
| 21:02.02 | Beladona | I almost did a dist-upgrade ysterday, but I was afraid it would break wow |
| 21:02.06 | Kremonte | hm, what wm do you use Beladona ? |
| 21:02.12 | krka | what were you looking at btw, krkaUtils or krkaButtons? |
| 21:02.12 | id` | krka, haha :D:D |
| 21:02.15 | Beladona | metacity for now |
| 21:02.18 | krka | krkaButtons should be easier to understand |
| 21:02.21 | id` | buttons first |
| 21:02.22 | Beladona | I wasn't happy with the others |
| 21:02.27 | Kremonte | i think im gonna install enlightenment |
| 21:02.32 | krka | Gnome ftw! |
| 21:02.32 | Beladona | each one has something small I didn't care for |
| 21:02.42 | Beladona | Gnome isn't a wm |
| 21:02.43 | Iriel | Metacity has its share of issues also, sadly |
| 21:02.45 | krka | ah sorry |
| 21:02.53 | Beladona | yeah |
| 21:02.53 | id` | theres an AceTooltip so i was thinking to use that to grab the tooltip data |
| 21:02.55 | krka | I use gnu/linux/gnome/metacity then |
| 21:02.59 | id` | i use wmii as my wm |
| 21:03.01 | id` | else screen |
| 21:03.04 | Beladona | I absolutely hate the "black line" shit it does |
| 21:03.07 | Iriel | including my favorite gripes of poor event handling under load |
| 21:03.27 | Kremonte | krka: metacity comes before gnome ;) |
| 21:03.31 | Kremonte | generally |
| 21:03.39 | krka | i cant get anything right today :( |
| 21:03.48 | Kremonte | it's okay, i'm always wrong |
| 21:03.55 | Kremonte | in fact, i was wrong just now |
| 21:03.59 | Iriel | Beladona : You mean with cursors on ATI? |
| 21:04.00 | Maldivia | id, you mentioned wimp before... around the same time, someone posted this link in another channel: http://www.wimp.com/invasion/ |
| 21:04.21 | Beladona | I like xfwm4 |
| 21:04.30 | Beladona | but I don't like the theme handling |
| 21:05.28 | Beladona | Iriel: no, when you minimize a window, it leaves the outline of the window on your desktop, and draws it minimizing |
| 21:05.39 | Beladona | looks liek crap imho |
| 21:05.45 | Iriel | Beladona : You can turn that off |
| 21:05.48 | Beladona | how? |
| 21:05.53 | Iriel | Beladona : I'm 99% sure you can, anyway |
| 21:05.57 | Iriel | Beladona : One mo |
| 21:06.06 | Beladona | if so that would rock |
| 21:06.14 | Beladona | although xfwm4 is a faster wm |
| 21:06.18 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 21:06.23 | Kremonte | hmmm |
| 21:06.33 | Kremonte | e17 or e16 |
| 21:06.38 | Beladona | e16 |
| 21:06.44 | Beladona | e17 is still development |
| 21:06.49 | Beladona | and crashes |
| 21:06.50 | Kremonte | unstable rocks though |
| 21:07.03 | Kremonte | i made a beta version airplane, and it crashed |
| 21:07.11 | Kremonte | the lighting effects on the fire were so realistic! it pwned!!! |
| 21:07.52 | krka | could anyone here make a GUI for something if I wrote down how I wanted it? |
| 21:07.56 | Beladona | I would be happy with a small, fast wm, with native composite extension, with window acceleration, and shadows |
| 21:08.02 | Beladona | nothing else |
| 21:08.22 | Beladona | xfwm4 almost gets there, but alas the themes suck big time |
| 21:08.24 | id` | Maldivia, hahahahhahah |
| 21:08.29 | Kremonte | Beladona: mine translating something to layman for me? =D |
| 21:08.32 | Kremonte | the nautilus desktop draws over the E17 tools, and E17 lacks virtual desktops or task switching that is compatible with Gnome |
| 21:08.57 | Beladona | also wow under cedega doesn't like composite features |
| 21:08.59 | End | NET_WM? :P at least, I think that's what it is called |
| 21:09.18 | Kremonte | the nautilus desktop=? =X |
| 21:09.32 | Iriel | Aha! |
| 21:09.34 | Kremonte | oh hell, i can always undo it |
| 21:09.35 | id` | Beladona, try ion3 its even powered by lua |
| 21:09.36 | Tain | I installed one distro once that had fvwm95 active by default. |
| 21:09.37 | Iriel | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/01/msg01088.html |
| 21:09.39 | Kremonte | eye candy here i go |
| 21:09.41 | Tain | It make me weep. |
| 21:09.42 | id` | though i prefer wmii |
| 21:09.45 | id` | :p |
| 21:10.52 | Beladona | interesting |
| 21:11.02 | krka | I looove eye candy on my desktop |
| 21:11.03 | Beladona | no /apps on mine, but I will hunt around |
| 21:11.33 | Beladona | although gconf editor would work too... |
| 21:12.18 | Beladona | uhh |
| 21:12.21 | Beladona | whoa |
| 21:12.47 | Beladona | the minimize thing is fixed, but the wireframe outline is weird |
| 21:13.26 | Iriel | Yeah - it does more than one thing, which is mildly annoying |
| 21:13.48 | Beladona | would be itneresting to see what it changes with that setting |
| 21:15.21 | Beladona | hot damn |
| 21:15.26 | Beladona | I fixed it |
| 21:15.54 | Beladona | with assistive technology on, and that reduced resources feature enabled, the wireframe thing is gone |
| 21:17.43 | Beladona | Iriel, you rock, I don't care what Kremonte says about you |
| 21:18.03 | Iriel | heh |
| 21:21.37 | Beladona | fyi, I found a way to do online compares on the fly, complete with syntax highlighting, but now I am looking at ways to store the files |
| 21:21.45 | MentalPower | what did /spilt do (pre 1.9.1)? |
| 21:21.48 | Shouryuu | anyone have any advice as to which linux distro I should use? |
| 21:21.56 | Shouryuu | splited all your money to your party members |
| 21:21.59 | Beladona | I like ubuntu |
| 21:22.02 | Beladona | personally |
| 21:22.18 | Shouryuu | I took a test and that what the result =P |
| 21:22.23 | Shouryuu | so I guess ubuntu it is |
| 21:22.39 | Beladona | its easy for newbies, and still good for people that want o get their hands dirty |
| 21:22.42 | Fanook | and if you prefer kde, there's kubuntu |
| 21:22.46 | Beladona | aye |
| 21:22.58 | Beladona | gnome is better /hides |
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| 21:23.31 | Shouryuu | I have no idea what gnome or kde are |
| 21:23.31 | kremonte | well that was fun |
| 21:23.34 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:23.39 | kremonte | enlightenment freaked out |
| 21:23.46 | kremonte | and it took me 15 minutes to find out how to log out |
| 21:24.31 | Beladona | haha |
| 21:25.15 | kremonte | i finally went afk, and a little bubble popped up showing how to show enlightenment menu |
| 21:25.47 | Tain | You have to concentrate really hard and it reads your mind. |
| 21:25.53 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:26.05 | Shouryuu | I guess he doesn't like us :P |
| 21:27.06 | Shouryuu | Ubuntu does look cool =P |
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| 21:27.42 | kremonte | uuuugly! |
| 21:27.43 | Beladona | hey Shouryuu |
| 21:27.50 | Shouryuu | it's because Cair isn't here to stapple you |
| 21:27.51 | Shouryuu | aye? |
| 21:27.55 | Beladona | http://www.sonsuzdongu.com/ss/kde.jpg = kde (kubuntu) |
| 21:28.10 | Shouryuu | thanks :p |
| 21:28.24 | Beladona | http://www.osnews.com/img/8286/ubuntu1.png = gnome (ubuntu) |
| 21:28.35 | Shouryuu | it just looks like a cleaner windows to me =P |
| 21:28.54 | Shouryuu | they're basicly user interfaces right? |
| 21:29.20 | kremonte | hahaha |
| 21:29.30 | kremonte | To normal users, Metacity is the thing that “draws all of that black shit all over my desktop when I minimize apps.” Enlightenment is a Window Manager like Metacity, but it is not connected to Gnome |
| 21:29.40 | Beladona | yeah |
| 21:29.57 | Beladona | I like the cleanness of Gnome |
| 21:30.02 | Beladona | if that is a word |
| 21:30.07 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 21:30.19 | kremonte | cleanliness, Beladona |
| 21:30.30 | Beladona | that too |
| 21:32.34 | kremonte | grr hell with enlightenment |
| 21:33.28 | Tain | heh Enlightenment has been in development for like 10 yeras. |
| 21:33.55 | kremonte | i have to use the bottom bar to switch windows or click at the very top |
| 21:34.06 | kremonte | windows keep flashing |
| 21:34.44 | Beladona | yeah I didn't care for it |
| 21:35.17 | kremonte | i cant even maximize windows |
| 21:35.26 | kremonte | its cascading them >.> |
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| 21:38.46 | Shouryuu | well I'm going to sleep |
| 21:38.50 | Shouryuu | 'night |
| 21:38.51 | kremonte | bon nuit |
| 21:38.56 | kremonte | ...shoe dragon |
| 21:39.00 | Shouryuu | merci kraimonteuh |
| 21:39.05 | Shouryuu | (connard =P) |
| 21:40.24 | kremonte | omg =( |
| 21:40.41 | futrtrubl | ? |
| 21:40.51 | kremonte | shouryuu |
| 21:40.55 | kremonte | called me a jerk |
| 21:41.13 | pagefault | rofl more bugs in this patch |
| 21:41.18 | kremonte | lol |
| 21:41.20 | pagefault | the instances never reset |
| 21:41.26 | ForgottenLords | hehe |
| 21:41.26 | kremonte | o_O |
| 21:41.31 | futrtrubl | oops |
| 21:41.54 | futrtrubl | that sounds like a server side bug |
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| 21:42.36 | ToastTheif | yarr |
| 21:45.26 | futrtrubl | are there image file formats other than gif that have transparency in most browsers? the 256 color thing is killing me |
| 21:45.32 | Iriel | png |
| 21:45.34 | Iriel | ? |
| 21:45.46 | Tain | png, tga |
| 21:45.50 | futrtrubl | I'll try it. This is my first attempt at web design |
| 21:46.10 | Iriel | tga's not widely supported tho |
| 21:46.34 | Beladona | png, with crappy support by IE |
| 21:46.43 | Beladona | supposed to be fixed in IE 7 |
| 21:46.45 | futrtrubl | for png how do I do its transparency? alpha channel/transparent color/what? |
| 21:46.52 | Beladona | alpha channel |
| 21:46.55 | futrtrubl | k |
| 21:47.06 | Beladona | IE doesn't support the alpha channel though |
| 21:47.09 | Beladona | so be warned |
| 21:47.11 | Beladona | =P |
| 21:47.16 | Beladona | the background will show gray |
| 21:47.26 | futrtrubl | bugger. scrap that idea then |
| 21:47.29 | Gryphen | there are work arounds though |
| 21:47.38 | Beladona | yeah |
| 21:47.42 | Beladona | shameless hacks mainly |
| 21:47.51 | Gryphen | ya |
| 21:47.51 | futrtrubl | yeah, blend the edges to my pages background |
| 21:47.56 | Beladona | no |
| 21:47.59 | Gryphen | we use one on cosui.org |
| 21:48.15 | Beladona | you can do CSS on png images that applies a microsoft filter that makes it work |
| 21:48.32 | Beladona | or just apply the filter to that image if you only have one or two images |
| 21:48.45 | Gryphen | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bobosola |
| 21:49.02 | Beladona | it runs slow if you have lots of png images though |
| 21:49.16 | Gryphen | ya |
| 21:49.17 | Beladona | the java hack does I mean |
| 21:49.24 | futrtrubl | I could do that Beladona, only a few images. how do I go about it? |
| 21:49.32 | Gryphen | that link |
| 21:49.36 | Beladona | give your png images a sctyle |
| 21:49.39 | Beladona | style rather |
| 21:49.43 | kremonte | when i go about web design, i just use transparent PNGs |
| 21:49.51 | Beladona | lemme find the ms transform |
| 21:49.59 | kremonte | GIF is too much of a hassle, and i can generate png on the fly... not my fault IE stinks =) |
| 21:50.12 | Beladona | thats fine for personal sites |
| 21:50.20 | kremonte | me? business? hah. |
| 21:50.26 | Beladona | but sometimes you have to make a site that is accessible by all |
| 21:50.33 | Iriel | That's for IE5 anyway, doesn't IE6 work properly? |
| 21:50.45 | Beladona | no |
| 21:50.45 | Gryphen | no |
| 21:50.48 | futrtrubl | I'm suprized a universal gif replacement is around yet |
| 21:50.50 | Gryphen | ie7 works fine |
| 21:50.52 | Beladona | IE6 still suffers from alpha degradation |
| 21:50.56 | Beladona | ie7 does |
| 21:51.00 | kremonte | futrtrubl: there's lots of solutions |
| 21:51.06 | kremonte | IE doesnt use any , though |
| 21:51.16 | futrtrubl | not very universal then ;'] |
| 21:51.23 | kremonte | IE is quite the opposite |
| 21:51.29 | kremonte | pngs are most definitely universal |
| 21:51.49 | Beladona | futrtrubl |
| 21:51.49 | futrtrubl | not if ie still has problems |
| 21:51.50 | Beladona | http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/filter/reference/filters/alphaimageloader.asp |
| 21:51.56 | krka | pngs truly rock |
| 21:52.10 | kremonte | futrtrubl, ie has never supported PNG, it doesn't even support HTML correctly |
| 21:52.10 | futrtrubl | thanks Beladona |
| 21:52.12 | Beladona | as soon as ie7 becomes mainstream, png is the way to go |
| 21:52.15 | kremonte | are you going to say html isn't universal? hah |
| 21:53.27 | futrtrubl | html still mostly works. png does not work as a gif replacement in ie without work arounds (that's when I'm picking up from this conversation at least) |
| 21:53.34 | Beladona | load the following pages in ie, and firefox respectively |
| 21:53.43 | Beladona | and you can see the shitty png support in ie |
| 21:53.46 | krka | dont have IE :( |
| 21:53.49 | kremonte | same |
| 21:53.50 | kremonte | boo IE |
| 21:53.51 | Beladona | http://www.w3.org/Graphics/PNG/all_seven.html |
| 21:54.00 | Gryphen | i dont have ie without png support |
| 21:54.03 | Beladona | http://www.w3.org/Graphics/PNG/inline-alpha.html |
| 22:01.40 | Natasem | kermonte: IE blowz period. FF FTW |
| 22:02.00 | kremonte | any gecko based browser > IE heh |
| 22:02.18 | kremonte | im not going to say standards compliant because w3c does do some asinine things very often |
| 22:02.23 | Gryphen | ie > ff |
| 22:02.27 | Gryphen | all opinion |
| 22:02.29 | kremonte | Gryphen: lol. |
| 22:02.31 | Natasem | firefox * http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/ |
| 22:03.02 | Natasem | gryphen why u no like firefox? it's 200% faster |
| 22:03.22 | Natasem | i hate typeing in latex gloves |
| 22:03.35 | Beladona | I have complaints with the memory footprint of firefox, among other things, but it still beats ie in my mind |
| 22:03.37 | kremonte | rofl Natasem, why? |
| 22:03.43 | kremonte | Beladona: yeah |
| 22:03.49 | kremonte | i restart ff every 30 mins or so |
| 22:03.56 | Natasem | cuz i can't feel the keys |
| 22:04.11 | Natasem | i leave FF runing all week |
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| 22:04.43 | Gryphen | i dont like the way it scrolls, form elements and menus look like average amateur applications |
| 22:05.18 | Natasem | i listen to 98 rock KRXQ while at work, and the night shift listens to it too, it's the only music we can get in here http://entercom.liquidviewer.com/entercom/radioPlayer.php?ID=30 |
| 22:05.47 | Gryphen | though i did change the css for the menu bar to make it more windows'ish which helps |
| 22:06.53 | Gryphen | i only use it just to make sure stuff works in ff |
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| 22:10.27 | Natasem | beladona: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/footprint/ |
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| 22:14.05 | Celandro | 404 404 404 |
| 22:14.46 | Beladona | so according to that, the embedded mozilla engine experiences memory consumption growth over the course of use per url loaded |
| 22:14.53 | Beladona | inifitely |
| 22:14.57 | Beladona | if you don't close it |
| 22:18.35 | Beladona | brb |
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| 22:45.07 | Osagasu | HA! Take THIS, ID people! http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20060110/sc_space/scientistsfinallyfigureouthowbeesfly |
| 22:53.02 | id` | what where? i didnt do it! |
| 22:53.05 | id` | :p |
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| 23:18.36 | Maldivia | hmm... |
| 23:19.31 | Cairenn | ...mmh |
| 23:22.17 | Maldivia | Cairenn: nothing... just my own stupidity :) |
| 23:22.48 | Maldivia | hmm... or... |
| 23:23.35 | id` | im hovering my cursor over the close button |
| 23:23.41 | id` | but |
| 23:23.44 | id` | i dont want to |
| 23:23.45 | id` | =( |
| 23:24.03 | id` | i want to be on irc all night and tinker with my interface and find new addons |
| 23:24.06 | id` | and code my own |
| 23:24.10 | Cairenn | good night id` |
| 23:24.12 | id` | and laugh on irc |
| 23:24.13 | id` | and |
| 23:24.15 | id` | :( |
| 23:24.17 | Maldivia | giid night id` |
| 23:24.25 | Maldivia | good* |
| 23:24.25 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.31 | Maldivia | weas about to suggest :) |
| 23:24.34 | id` | :'( |
| 23:24.38 | Cairenn | *hug* |
| 23:24.40 | id` | im so addicted |
| 23:24.45 | Cairenn | go sleep, it'll all be here tomorrow |
| 23:24.48 | id` | I LOVE YOU GUYS |
| 23:24.53 | id` | *grouphug* |
| 23:24.55 | Maldivia | arghh.... ok, my typing right now might suggest why I can't get this to work :) |
| 23:25.13 | ForgottenLords | gah... how does a 12 vs 7 AB match start? |
| 23:25.38 | Maldivia | 3 and 8 chicken out? |
| 23:25.49 | id` | Cairenn, i know but theres 8 hours of anoying work that goes first, and when im done programming 8 hours in a crap language that twists my mind i dont feel like coding - like today =( |
| 23:26.03 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.51 | id` | *pout* |
| 23:26.59 | Maldivia | hmm, there's no arg variable for OnEvent handlers -- only arg1, arg2 etc? |
| 23:29.01 | Osagasu | I don't get why there are like 4 different reskins for the hunter set |
| 23:29.16 | id` | People always say the glass is half full, but they dont say of what. |
| 23:29.34 | Osagasu | but nothing for the craptacular mage suit |
| 23:30.03 | pagefault | wee |
| 23:31.24 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Celandro (n=Celandro@64.172.210.133) |
| 23:33.09 | Osagasu | # |
| 23:33.09 | Osagasu | # It is now possible to use the dressing room UI to model items that are being rolled for in the Group Lood/Need Before Greed Popup window. |
| 23:33.15 | Osagasu | Blue typos FTW! |
| 23:33.39 | Tain | By the way I'm insulted by the fact that they call it "need" and "greed" rolling. |
| 23:34.22 | Maldivia | "but as an enchanter, I need everything for mats" "but I'm poor, I need the gold" ? |
| 23:34.40 | Osagasu | You know, it doesn't take much to send the document through a spellchecker. |
| 23:34.49 | Osagasu | and I don't think Lood is a word |
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| 23:39.11 | id` | nini! |
| 23:39.19 | Cairenn | night id` |
| 23:40.20 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 23:40.27 | Cairenn | *purr* |
| 23:41.51 | AnduinLothar | mmm, looks like GameSpy wants to distribute an addon pack including Cosmos, nifty |
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| 23:43.42 | Cairenn | http://www.fileplanet.com/149777/140000/fileinfo/World-of-Warcraft---Cosmos |
| 23:43.45 | Cairenn | fileplanet too |
| 23:44.05 | Tain | Big advertising for cosmos |
| 23:44.38 | Plorkyeran | wow, that's an old screenshot |
| 23:44.47 | Plorkyeran | I don't even remember what mage hand was anymore |
| 23:45.05 | Osagasu | rearranged items |
| 23:45.47 | Osagasu | Hehe |
| 23:45.49 | Osagasu | Vickel! |
| 23:46.00 | Osagasu | The most useless addon EVER! |
| 23:46.02 | AnduinLothar | looks like the one still on the wiki |
| 23:46.15 | Gryphen | its current cosmos |
| 23:46.22 | Gryphen | outdated description |
| 23:46.45 | AnduinLothar | typical |
| 23:46.54 | Gryphen | ya |
| 23:48.51 | Osagasu | I miss Mage Hand |
| 23:48.56 | Osagasu | Why was it removed? :( |
| 23:49.12 | AnduinLothar | Whatd it do? |
| 23:49.26 | Cairenn | auto arrange your bag contents |
| 23:49.28 | Osagasu | It rearranged your inventory |
| 23:49.29 | Plorkyeran | I seem to recall it never actually successfully doing anything |
| 23:49.51 | Cairenn | but when I last saw it (back during CB) it was buggy as all hell :p |
| 23:49.54 | Corrodias | lol |
| 23:50.05 | AnduinLothar | heh, there are a bunch of other addons to do that. MageHand broke and no one wanted to fix it so it was dropped |
| 23:50.13 | Corrodias | what is cosmos, all, exactly? a compilation plus customized layout? |
| 23:50.13 | Plorkyeran | it managed to generate a lot of script errors |
| 23:50.47 | Cairenn | that's a simplistic description Corrodias (from a 3rd party point of view) |
| 23:50.51 | Plorkyeran | nowadays it's a compilation that has a lot of stuff made specifically for it |
| 23:51.07 | Plorkyeran | although most of them can be seperated from it |
| 23:51.08 | Corrodias | well, that's all i know about it. is there something more? |
| 23:51.11 | Gryphen | most the addons make use of khaos for configuration |
| 23:51.25 | Plorkyeran | at some point it was supposed to be a mod framework, but I'm not sure how much they pursued that |
| 23:51.34 | Gryphen | there isnt much for layout changes |
| 23:51.43 | Gryphen | other than making things mobile |
| 23:52.11 | Corrodias | i hear it messes with your other addons if you don't have a "nopatch" file for them |
| 23:52.19 | Gryphen | only if you choose to |
| 23:52.22 | AnduinLothar | it has a Developer Distrobustion of libraries you can use for a framework, but it's not as all encomassing as Ace as to a framework of programming style |
| 23:53.11 | Plorkyeran | one of the problems I had with cosmos for a long time is it hadn't really adjusted to the addon system |
| 23:53.24 | AnduinLothar | ya... back in march... |
| 23:53.47 | Plorkyeran | for a long time it felt like the expectation was that you would use cosmos, and nothing else |
| 23:53.57 | AnduinLothar | I came on in february and personally converted 90% of the framexml mods to Addons |
| 23:54.23 | AnduinLothar | yeah, the patcher was written in beta when there wasn't anythign else |
| 23:54.39 | AnduinLothar | it's being rewritten now, we didn't have a programmer before |
| 23:54.57 | Cairenn | and you guys are getting rid of the .nopatch thing, right? |
| 23:55.00 | Gryphen | assuming it gets the ok |
| 23:55.51 | AnduinLothar | I wont be releaseing the specs till we have it written |
| 23:55.52 | Plorkyeran | the patcher isn't the problem as much as the confusion about why the patcher had problems |
| 23:55.52 | Cairenn | Thott does tend to be a bit obstinate, doesn't he? |
| 23:56.07 | Cairenn | that isn't a slam, merely an observation :p |
| 23:56.24 | Gryphen | no, just he doesnt actually do much with the cosmos team |
| 23:56.29 | Corrodias | i don't want to use cosmos because i like putting together my own list of addons |
| 23:56.44 | Corrodias | will khaos work outside the context of.. well, whatever else is in there? |
| 23:56.51 | Gryphen | i put together my own list of addons and cosmos |
| 23:57.04 | Plorkyeran | khaos doesn't do anything by itself |
| 23:57.05 | Gryphen | i have 37 additional addons |
| 23:57.08 | Cairenn | heh, my addon list changes on a daily basis |
| 23:57.11 | Plorkyeran | it's the thing other addons rely on :P |
| 23:57.12 | AnduinLothar | I think 50% of cosmos users or more add addons to Cosmos |
| 23:57.39 | AnduinLothar | Which is fine, that is expected not |
| 23:57.46 | AnduinLothar | now* |
| 23:58.33 | Plorkyeran | yeah, things have improved a lot |
| 23:58.33 | AnduinLothar | Pro users like to tailor their collection, we don't do it for them. We just make a base to build from. |
| 23:59.09 | Plorkyeran | I stopped using cosmos somewhere around march because half the time I tried to add an addon something broke |
| 23:59.15 | AnduinLothar | In fact I've been debating cutting a few outdated on unkept addons from cosmos |
| 23:59.20 | Plorkyeran | but now my friends who have it don't have any real issues |
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| 23:59.30 | Gryphen | that was when framexml was at its peak for breaking things in cosmos |
| 23:59.43 | Plorkyeran | and when sky was horribly broken |
| 23:59.50 | Corrodias | i see libraries... chronos, sea, earth, and sky. and i see khaos, whatever it is. |
