| 00:07.51 | Guillotine | back. sry. anduin: np. you helped as much as you can. I'll try to explain it a bit better: Panda is meant to work like Purl. "something is something" stores a fact. Now, the problem is when you try to do something like "what is your favorite food is <reply> pizza and cookies". While that should be storing the fact as "what is your favorite food" and the info as "<reply> pizza and cookies" it... |
| 00:07.53 | Guillotine | ...is storing the fact as "what" and the info as "your favorite food is <reply> pizza and cookies" |
| 00:07.59 | Guillotine | I want to rectify this |
| 00:08.31 | Guillotine | I figure that nobody would need facts titled "who, what, where, why, or how" so I want it to ignore any "is" preceded by one of those words |
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| 00:54.58 | AnduinLothar | ya, u lost me |
| 00:55.37 | AnduinLothar | i got distracted by making christmas cookies too |
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| 00:56.12 | Nomad_Wanderer | Hey Cair.. Is 1.9 going live this week? :p |
| 00:56.19 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 00:56.28 | Nomad_Wanderer | I was kidding... :) |
| 00:56.36 | Nomad_Wanderer | it's in the channel title even., |
| 00:56.51 | AnduinLothar | didn't even notice |
| 00:58.33 | Osagasu | Topic is '1.9 is **NOT** going live this week. This channel is for dev discussion only. Be respectful. No spamming the bot, and no bothering Slouken about work. Get along. Have fun.' |
| 00:59.15 | AnduinLothar | right, i see that now. it's on the top of my client. jsut hadn't looked |
| 01:18.59 | AnduinLothar | anyone have any idea how much faction the zg coins give u when u turn them in? |
| 01:23.15 | AnduinLothar | bah... why does cta store it's channel name locally... LAME |
| 01:23.29 | cladhaire | Anduin: its global in the last versino I saw. |
| 01:24.02 | AnduinLothar | oh ya. i never got the beta |
| 01:24.14 | AnduinLothar | did he finish it and make it non-beta? |
| 01:24.16 | cladhaire | CT_RA_Channel |
| 01:24.30 | AnduinLothar | no no not ctra |
| 01:24.36 | cladhaire | oooh |
| 01:24.36 | AnduinLothar | CTA |
| 01:24.36 | cladhaire | cta |
| 01:24.37 | cladhaire | haha |
| 01:24.38 | cladhaire | i'm sorry =) |
| 01:24.40 | cladhaire | yeah i dunno then |
| 01:25.15 | AnduinLothar | CTA_DEFAULT_RAID_CHANNEL and CTA_CommunicationChannel both look to be local.. |
| 01:25.49 | AnduinLothar | mm, i dont see them locally defined, but they're nil |
| 01:25.50 | cladhaire | boo |
| 01:26.05 | AnduinLothar | OOOh |
| 01:26.09 | AnduinLothar | dumb, karl |
| 01:26.19 | AnduinLothar | my bad. I unloaded the addon |
| 01:26.23 | cladhaire | lol |
| 01:26.24 | cladhaire | that'll do it |
| 01:26.42 | AnduinLothar | that's better |
| 01:27.00 | AnduinLothar | i had all the code set up and i wondered why it wasn't hiding the channel |
| 01:27.16 | AnduinLothar | i'm like... i know this worked b4.. |
| 01:27.49 | AnduinLothar | spose i could hardcode the channels and hide them always, but i figure only hiding them when the addon is loaded is better |
| 01:28.31 | AnduinLothar | is beladona around to confirm me an addon if i upload it? |
| 01:29.56 | Cairenn|afk | if he isn't, I am |
| 01:30.00 | AnduinLothar | yay |
| 01:30.28 | AnduinLothar | mmm, guess that means i should submit that google vid for publishing |
| 01:32.57 | AnduinLothar | wow http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/flamingohq/jedisquirrels.jpg |
| 01:34.12 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 01:34.19 | AnduinLothar | cair. you have no Chat addon section |
| 01:34.26 | Cairenn|afk | I know |
| 01:34.40 | Cairenn|afk | I need to do stuff with the sections |
| 01:35.06 | AnduinLothar | so.. where should i put it? |
| 01:35.18 | Cairenn|afk | general for now |
| 01:35.23 | AnduinLothar | bleh |
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| 01:36.38 | Cairenn|afk | hey, I've asked before for input on what the cats should be :p |
| 01:36.53 | Cairenn|afk | no one ever responds |
| 01:36.55 | AnduinLothar | and i believe ive suggesed it b4 |
| 01:37.44 | Cairenn|afk | chat, yeah, but what about all the rest |
| 01:37.58 | AnduinLothar | i call um as i see um |
| 01:38.46 | AnduinLothar | btw the verion # input box should be next to the zip file selection. cause they usually change at the same time while the name doesn't |
| 01:39.34 | AnduinLothar | maybe lable the container "Latest Version" |
| 01:40.09 | Cairenn|afk | will try to remember, to suggest to Dolby |
| 01:43.37 | AnduinLothar | sumbitted |
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| 01:47.32 | Malivil | Anduin |
| 01:47.50 | AnduinLothar | yo |
| 01:48.56 | Malivil | Ever sine i updated MobileFrames from... a really old verison to the newest i've noticed some FPS drops |
| 01:48.59 | AnduinLothar | O.o that's my 29th addon... I could make a compilation just outa them.. |
| 01:49.04 | Malivil | And some lag when moving certain frames |
| 01:49.12 | AnduinLothar | oh? |
| 01:49.16 | Malivil | *since |
| 01:49.27 | AnduinLothar | what vers did u have b4? |
| 01:49.33 | Malivil | I have 100mb for the UI so i don't think that is affecting it |
| 01:49.47 | Malivil | oh.. i odnt know |
| 01:49.50 | Malivil | *don't |
| 01:49.52 | Malivil | uhh |
| 01:50.05 | Malivil | It was from cosmos.. |
| 01:50.10 | Malivil | i stopped using cosmos a while ago |
| 01:50.16 | Malivil | so... september sometime |
| 01:50.22 | Malivil | Whatever version was new then |
| 01:50.37 | AnduinLothar | 2.6 was 7/10 |
| 01:50.37 | Malivil | between 2.6 and 2.9 |
| 01:50.49 | Malivil | or it may have been 2.6 |
| 01:51.08 | AnduinLothar | well cosmos had 2.8 and the like |
| 01:51.25 | AnduinLothar | tho i haven't really done anything since 2.6 that would cause any lag |
| 01:51.30 | Malivil | hmm |
| 01:51.33 | Malivil | its weird |
| 01:51.45 | AnduinLothar | 2.8 added a bunch of frames |
| 01:51.54 | Malivil | when did oyu add the tooltip? |
| 01:51.55 | AnduinLothar | 2.7 was in sept |
| 01:51.57 | Malivil | *you |
| 01:52.05 | AnduinLothar | 2.9 was tooltip |
| 01:52.09 | Malivil | hmmm |
| 01:52.29 | AnduinLothar | but that's just onenter/onleave |
| 01:52.34 | AnduinLothar | not too hard |
| 01:52.39 | Malivil | yea, i know |
| 01:52.47 | Malivil | I don't know, it may not be your addon. I have no idea |
| 01:53.35 | AnduinLothar | ya, the only think i see mf doing is increasing loading time and active memory by loading the blizz ondemand addons |
| 01:53.52 | Malivil | mmm |
| 01:54.06 | AnduinLothar | but that's been that way since those were made |
| 01:54.23 | Malivil | All i really want to be able to do is move my bags and the quest log without having to go into moveanything options |
| 01:54.34 | Malivil | not quest log |
| 01:54.36 | Malivil | quest tracker |
| 01:55.12 | AnduinLothar | well if u have all but bags and tracker disabled i don't see how it would get any fps loss |
| 01:55.33 | Malivil | you can disable different parts? |
| 01:55.44 | Malivil | o.O |
| 01:55.47 | AnduinLothar | heh, yes |
| 01:55.51 | Malivil | mmm |
| 01:55.54 | Malivil | that i did not know |
| 01:56.06 | AnduinLothar | just disable everything and enable those two parts |
| 01:56.22 | Cairenn|afk | made a chat category ;) |
| 01:56.27 | Cairenn|afk | moved everything |
| 01:56.32 | AnduinLothar | :) thx cair |
| 01:56.35 | Cairenn|afk | np |
| 01:57.13 | AnduinLothar | "/mfdisable" "/mfenable QuestWatchFrame" "/mfenable Containers" |
| 01:57.20 | Malivil | ok, cool |
| 01:58.06 | AnduinLothar | ya, the slash command system for mf is ancient |
| 01:58.13 | AnduinLothar | not very intuitive |
| 01:58.31 | Malivil | ./mfenable QuestWatchFrame isn't doing anything |
| 01:58.34 | Malivil | nor the other one |
| 01:59.45 | AnduinLothar | hmmm, ur right |
| 02:01.15 | Malivil | did I find a bug |
| 02:01.16 | Malivil | O.O |
| 02:02.01 | AnduinLothar | possibly |
| 02:02.13 | AnduinLothar | odd no one else has reported it tho |
| 02:02.18 | Malivil | yea... |
| 02:02.22 | Malivil | But does it work for you? |
| 02:03.06 | AnduinLothar | nope |
| 02:03.19 | AnduinLothar | lol. i know why too... and it's been that way for ages.. |
| 02:03.54 | Malivil | hmm |
| 02:03.58 | Malivil | maybe it's time to fix it then? |
| 02:03.59 | AnduinLothar | local defined in an if statement |
| 02:04.18 | Kolth | Is there any easy way to check if you've just scored a Killing Blow in a Battleground besides scoreboard checking? |
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| 02:06.31 | Malivil | So i need to wait till you release a fix for it before i can do what I want? lol |
| 02:06.47 | AnduinLothar | well mail, it works fine with the khaos options |
| 02:07.04 | AnduinLothar | just the slash commands dont work |
| 02:07.28 | Malivil | yea, but im not gonna download cosmos just for this one mod =-/. |
| 02:07.42 | AnduinLothar | i can give u a script, just a sec |
| 02:08.06 | Malivil | k, cool |
| 02:08.34 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.04 | Malivil | ok, ill try it |
| 02:09.49 | Malivil | that worked |
| 02:09.52 | Malivil | what i notice though |
| 02:10.00 | Malivil | is whever i move a frame, it lags for just a second |
| 02:10.07 | Malivil | on small frames |
| 02:10.16 | Malivil | When i had it enabled and i moved the auction frame |
| 02:10.22 | Malivil | (rly big one) it lagged longer |
| 02:10.28 | Kolth | That's Blizzard's fault. |
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| 02:10.50 | Kolth | They didn't design their interface to be movable. |
| 02:11.12 | Malivil | mmm |
| 02:16.00 | Nomad_Wanderer | wow massive disconeccts |
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| 02:16.05 | Nomad_Wanderer | anyone get booted from wow? |
| 02:16.17 | Kolth | No sirrrr. |
| 02:16.31 | AnduinLothar | lot of my guild did |
| 02:16.33 | Nomad_Wanderer | lothar just got sick :) |
| 02:17.13 | AnduinLothar | Newest Toy: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=4422 |
| 02:18.07 | Malivil | thats cool |
| 02:18.12 | Malivil | i wouldnt use it, but its still cool |
| 02:18.30 | Malivil | how many of your mods you do use? |
| 02:18.41 | AnduinLothar | most of um |
| 02:18.47 | Malivil | cool |
| 02:18.53 | Malivil | i've made 1 and i don't use it =-P |
| 02:19.34 | Tain | Damn the Lothar |
| 02:19.42 | AnduinLothar | i dont use all the features i've made |
| 02:19.55 | Tain | Let me into another server you rat bastards, I'm just trying to test. |
| 02:24.42 | Malivil | hmmm |
| 02:24.46 | Tain | Damnit. |
| 02:24.48 | Malivil | i'll cyall later |
| 02:25.20 | Tain | How am I supposed to test changes when it won't let me log in? |
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| 02:27.11 | AnduinLothar | u know what would be a cool option. User Submitted screenshots |
| 02:28.00 | Tain | We hatessss them yesssss |
| 02:28.07 | AnduinLothar | not that anyone would sumbit any |
| 02:28.19 | AnduinLothar | don't get any comments either |
| 02:28.38 | Gryphen | you smell |
| 02:28.59 | Gryphen | comment submitted |
| 02:29.14 | Tain | Got in. Disconnected again. :( |
| 02:29.27 | AnduinLothar | heh |
| 02:30.07 | Tain | I suspect Visor will have to go un-updated tonight since I can't test. |
| 02:30.59 | Tain | I'll play CoV instead. Hear that Blizzard? |
| 02:36.19 | AnduinLothar | mmm, mobileframes needs some love |
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| 02:46.40 | Guillotine | is the login server down? |
| 02:46.53 | Gryphen | really slow |
| 02:47.06 | Tain | Seems to be kicking a lot of people out. Some people say they're fine. |
| 02:49.21 | Tem|Ony | yeah it's just taking a long time to log int |
| 02:49.22 | Tem|Ony | int* |
| 02:51.00 | Fanook | lothar's being rebooted, dont know about the other servers |
| 02:57.30 | Tain | It took me a long time to log in, and then three times I got in and kicked out. |
| 02:59.23 | Kolth | Erm... The 6-char password I've been using for like 10 years turns out to be "strong" |
| 03:02.56 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 03:05.21 | Tem|Ony | jesus fighting ony is hard with no mods |
| 03:08.35 | AnduinLothar | heh |
| 03:09.21 | AnduinLothar | what class? |
| 03:12.26 | Kolth | Tem: I wouldn't think so. |
| 03:12.35 | Kolth | Her phases are easy to spot and predict. |
| 03:15.04 | Tain | I think the most important question is, why are you playing with no mods? |
| 03:15.16 | Kolth | ^^ |
| 03:16.14 | Cairenn|afk | that's what I've been wondering too, but I had a cat in my lap so couldn't get at my keyboard |
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| 03:16.21 | [WoWi]Kremonte | oops |
| 03:16.29 | Kolth | hah @ Cairenn |
| 03:16.35 | Tain | :) |
| 03:16.43 | AnduinLothar | mods are for losers |
| 03:17.16 | AnduinLothar | virgen UI ftw |
| 03:17.23 | Cairenn|afk | <== loser |
| 03:17.34 | Kolth | Cair' doesn't use mods? |
| 03:17.34 | Tain | <== virgin |
| 03:17.38 | Kremonte | only losers have afk in their nick when they aren't |
| 03:17.47 | AnduinLothar | heh |
| 03:18.03 | Cairenn|afk | AnduinLothar said that mods are for losers ... I use mods ... thus, I must be a loser :p |
| 03:18.04 | AnduinLothar | i should make a char... <AFK>Me |
| 03:18.19 | AnduinLothar | too bad i cant use <> |
| 03:18.25 | AnduinLothar | hmmm, maybe in eu |
| 03:18.35 | Kolth | ohhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 03:31.35 | Cairenn|afk | god I can't wait to try this: http://www.glenoradistillery.com/glenbreton.htm |
| 03:32.03 | Tain | :D |
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| 03:35.25 | Cairenn|afk | mmmmmmmmmmmm http://www.glenoradistillery.com/seasonalgifts.htm |
| 03:35.50 | Cairenn|afk | that rum looks mighty fine too |
| 03:35.58 | Kolth | Alcohol is bad! |
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| 03:36.19 | Tain | Lack of alcohol is bad. |
| 03:36.31 | Kolth | Oh yeah. That too :P |
| 03:37.01 | Cairenn|afk | I would disagree with that statement Kolth - for people who have problems with alcohol either through genetics or otherwise, alcohol is bad |
| 03:37.14 | Cairenn|afk | :p |
| 03:37.58 | Kolth | I can live with that statement. |
| 03:38.35 | Kremonte | genetics ftl |
| 03:38.41 | Kremonte | everyone in my family is an alcoholic ;_; |
| 03:39.08 | Cairenn|afk | that's rough Kremonte |
| 03:39.27 | Kremonte | i can't get drunk and have wild parties |
| 03:39.34 | Cairenn|afk | *nod* |
| 03:41.54 | Tain | Sure you can. Just don't invite them. :) |
| 03:42.53 | Kremonte | don't invite who? o.O |
| 03:43.37 | Tain | The drunkards. |
| 03:43.42 | Tain | Just because they are doesn't mean you have to be. |
| 03:43.55 | Kremonte | it's hereditary =/ |
| 03:45.24 | Tain | That doesn't mean you're automatically an alcoholic. |
| 03:45.35 | Tain | On the other hand why am I encouraging someone to drink? It's bad for you! |
| 03:45.38 | Kremonte | but it means i can't get drunk and have wild parties! |
| 03:45.42 | Kremonte | lol Tain |
| 03:49.13 | Kolth | Dang. So you can't get Killing Blow info on event -- only on iterate through the score panel. :( *cry |
| 03:52.04 | Tem|Ony | god damn that last 1% takes forever |
| 03:54.10 | Tem | rofl... whelps killed us after she died |
| 03:54.36 | Tem | and a hunter with jumper cables rezed a priest |
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| 04:20.07 | Kremonte | wb |
| 04:21.31 | AnduinLothar | for someone who was away from her keyboard, u sure are good at tping |
| 04:21.32 | Cairenn | thanks |
| 04:21.50 | Cairenn | I was afk as much as I was here, hence the tag :p |
| 04:22.47 | AnduinLothar | lol... guild merged.. new name is Agony |
| 04:23.01 | AnduinLothar | so aparently AnduinLothar is in Agony |
| 04:23.11 | Cairenn | heh |
| 04:24.01 | AnduinLothar | imo most endgame guilds disolve in 3 months tho.. so im not holding ym breath |
| 04:26.37 | Tain | Really? |
| 04:27.07 | Tain | I've almost never seen an endgame guild dissolve. |
| 04:27.41 | Gryphen | i see em dissolve all the time |
| 04:28.17 | Tain | Wow. Must just be the servers I've been on. |
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| 04:39.50 | Cairenn | comments are now sortable by oldest or newest first |
| 04:40.58 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 04:44.03 | Cairenn | and mentioned about moving the version # input box too, he'll look into doing it when he can :) |
| 05:03.07 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 05:05.30 | Ktron | hey everyone |
| 05:05.37 | Cairenn | hey Ktron :) |
| 05:07.42 | Kolth | Hallo! |
| 05:08.33 | Ktron | conclusions for the night: I should have done all of my shopping online in october, and I should make a mental note of that, and two, I have no idea how to deal with a girl who doesn't want to be comforted or treated... Long and short, I'd like to redefine my UI for my girl (and that's not her appearance) |
| 05:08.45 | Ktron | just my ability to you know, do things heh |
| 05:10.28 | Cairenn | =/ |
| 05:11.27 | Ktron | Sorry for the commentary on life... heh, time to scroll back and see what's been up for hte night |
| 05:13.03 | Cairenn | meh, commentary on life is acceptable :) |
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| 05:18.04 | Ktron | Guillotine, just wanted to make sure you heard how ridiculous I think Panda is |
| 05:18.14 | Guillotine | huh? |
| 05:18.24 | Guillotine | no. i didnt hear |
| 05:18.42 | Guillotine | none? |
| 05:19.05 | Ktron | I think I mentioned it to Kremonte earlier, heh, moral of the story I think its great you ported purl to WoW |
| 05:19.23 | Guillotine | lol |
| 05:19.34 | Guillotine | have you tried it yet? |
| 05:19.39 | Guillotine | works pretty well |
| 05:20.05 | Ktron | I haven't yet |
| 05:20.45 | Ktron | Maybe I'll do that |
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| 05:25.03 | Beladona | to log in, or not to log in |
| 05:25.05 | Beladona | hmmm |
| 05:26.06 | Cairenn | it's 12:30 ... not log on |
| 05:26.52 | Beladona | I have already been sleeping for like 4 hours Cair |
| 05:26.55 | Beladona | =P |
| 05:27.03 | Cairenn | ahhh |
| 05:27.30 | Cairenn | was wondering where you were |
| 05:27.35 | Beladona | well |
| 05:27.39 | Beladona | I went afk |
| 05:27.43 | Beladona | wife went to bed |
| 05:27.53 | Beladona | so I did too thining I would be up again shortly |
| 05:27.59 | Beladona | 4 hours later... |
| 05:28.01 | Cairenn | and 4 hrs later ... |
| 05:28.02 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 05:28.24 | Cairenn | so, why not just go back to bed? or am I being silly and suggesting "sensible" again? ;) |
| 05:28.40 | Beladona | cause now I am wired |
| 05:28.55 | Beladona | I don't do well when I am wired and in bed |
| 05:29.30 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 05:29.38 | Cairenn | *snicker* |
| 05:29.43 | Beladona | my brain and my body are on different timers |
| 05:29.52 | Beladona | unfortunately |
| 05:30.04 | Cairenn | gee, I can't *possibly* relate to that one! |
| 05:30.10 | Beladona | hehe |
| 05:30.25 | Beladona | my wife, like clockwork, will be in bed no later than 10 |
| 05:30.35 | Cairenn | I used to be that way |
| 05:30.57 | Beladona | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:31.18 | Beladona | I often get the most done between 8pm and 3am |
| 05:31.58 | Cairenn | then I started hanging out with this community, and, well, my schedule is so shot I don't know which end is up any more |
| 05:33.19 | Ktron | bb |
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| 05:34.27 | Beladona | that is so funny |
| 05:34.44 | Beladona | my laptop has had linux on it, but I need to dual boot windows xp while I am on my trip |
| 05:35.03 | Beladona | on of the lines in the windows xp install is -- "Your Computer will be faster and more reliable" |
| 05:35.13 | Beladona | I think not |
| 05:35.48 | Beladona | if I could just get wow to play perfectly in linux I would be happy |
| 05:36.26 | Cairenn | ubuutwhateverthingy |
| 05:36.38 | Beladona | huh? |
| 05:36.42 | Cairenn | supposedly it runs great under that |
| 05:36.47 | Beladona | ubuntu? |
| 05:36.50 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 05:36.58 | Beladona | I tried |
| 05:37.06 | Beladona | I didn't try wine though |
| 05:37.08 | Cairenn | talk to Kergoth |
| 05:37.08 | Beladona | might later |
| 05:37.16 | Beladona | I want at least the option |
| 05:37.30 | Beladona | to go windows xp, just in case something doesn't work while up there |
| 05:37.32 | Cairenn | he's running WoW on Linux, pretty sure it was ubuntu he said |
| 05:37.37 | Beladona | mmm |
| 05:37.41 | Cairenn | *shrug* |
| 05:37.47 | Beladona | it should run on SimplyMEPIS too |
| 05:37.55 | Cairenn | like I'd know from adam? |
| 05:38.08 | Beladona | they are all pretty similar |
| 05:38.28 | Beladona | the only difference is the x windows, the packages, and the presentation |
| 05:40.34 | Beladona | would switch everyone at work to linux if I could |
| 05:45.26 | Beladona | *finally* got around to uploading the updated version of my xp bar |
| 05:46.56 | Tain | Finally sending up a new version of Visor |
| 05:47.45 | Kremonte | how well does WoW run on ubuntu? (cedega? wine?) |
| 05:48.20 | Beladona | I had issues getting cedega to run, but it mighta been me |
| 05:48.31 | Beladona | haven't screwed with wine yet |
| 05:48.35 | Cairenn | *shrug* I'm not the person to talk to, kergoth could tell you though |
| 05:48.46 | Tain | I usually stick to the hard stuff like whiskey. |
| 05:48.52 | Beladona | hehe |
| 05:49.09 | Tain | I'm all hopped up on sleep medicine trying to write release notes. |
| 05:49.14 | Beladona | cedega is based on wine, so I would think wine would be sufficient with some patches |
| 05:49.36 | Kremonte | what i read on appdb, was WoW ran fine under wine with gentoo |
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| 05:49.46 | Kremonte | but i don't want to have the extra effort needed if necessary :P |
| 05:49.49 | Beladona | the os shouldn't matter |
| 05:49.59 | Kremonte | it does |
| 05:50.09 | Beladona | how so? |
| 05:50.12 | Kremonte | according to wine it does |
| 05:50.16 | Kremonte | they compile differently |
| 05:51.43 | Beladona | may have to fire up ubuntu then |
| 05:51.50 | Beladona | and try it out |
| 05:51.57 | Beladona | I wasn't too pleased with the package manager in it though |
| 05:52.05 | Kremonte | http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?versionId=3662&iTestingId=199 |
| 05:54.09 | Beladona | gentoo seems to have a better raiting with most games |
| 05:54.16 | Kremonte | yeah |
| 05:54.23 | Kremonte | but i break it too easily |
| 05:54.28 | Beladona | hehe |
| 05:54.57 | Kremonte | scorched3d is pretty fun |
| 05:55.06 | Tain | Scorch is always fun |
| 05:55.11 | Kremonte | i never played it :P |
| 05:55.18 | Kremonte | i love nukes |
| 05:55.50 | Tain | Scorched Earth is one of the classic top ten 1 on 1 games ever. |
| 05:57.08 | Kremonte | oh god, i got the last guy down to 11 health, then he friggin nuked me |
| 05:57.14 | Kremonte | *grumble* |
| 05:58.29 | Beladona | hey Kremonte, you a gnome or kde man? |
| 05:58.34 | Kremonte | gnome ftw |
| 05:58.38 | Beladona | good man |
| 05:58.40 | Beladona | =P |
| 05:59.04 | Kremonte | kde is like, yuck |
| 05:59.19 | Beladona | methinks they tried to replicate a window feel |
| 05:59.26 | Beladona | windows rather |
| 05:59.31 | Kremonte | ya, kde feels like windows, gnome feels more like mac |
| 05:59.36 | Beladona | exactly |
| 06:00.14 | Beladona | err, now if I can find the download link for gentoo |
| 06:00.30 | Kremonte | and! http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Install_and_update_World_Of_Warcraft_with_wine |
| 06:00.31 | Kremonte | wewt |
| 06:00.40 | Beladona | nice |
| 06:00.42 | Kremonte | http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/where.xml |
| 06:00.52 | Beladona | hmm |
| 06:01.05 | Beladona | what would you go with? minimal? |
| 06:01.19 | Kremonte | universal imo |
| 06:05.09 | Beladona | damn, my cable modem is on fire tonight |
| 06:05.19 | Kremonte | is that a good thing or a bad thing D; |
| 06:05.23 | Beladona | it is hitting some files at 1.5mbps |
| 06:05.29 | Cairenn | nice |
| 06:05.50 | Kremonte | O_o |
| 06:06.00 | Beladona | they offered to upgrade it to 10bmps for 5 more dollars a month |
| 06:06.03 | Beladona | am VERY tempted |
| 06:07.12 | Tain | I always liked KDE better. Gnome always ws too cartoony for me. |
| 06:07.22 | Beladona | lol |
| 06:07.31 | Beladona | I would think KDE would look more cartoony |
| 06:07.34 | Tain | Plus Linus says to use KDE! |
| 06:07.47 | Beladona | what does he know |
| 06:07.54 | Tain | :) |
| 06:07.59 | Tain | I'm just glad there's options. |
| 06:08.05 | Beladona | yeah |
| 06:08.07 | Kremonte | cartoony? |
| 06:08.14 | Kremonte | the linux mascot is a cartoon |
| 06:08.26 | Beladona | lmao |
| 06:08.26 | Tain | The desktop doesn't have to be. |
| 06:08.40 | Tain | But that was just my feeling about it. |
| 06:08.51 | Tain | So now I don't run it. |
| 06:08.54 | Beladona | Kremonte, that gentoo wiki page rocks |
| 06:08.58 | Kremonte | http://membres.lycos.fr/thewise/Linux/linux.jpg |
| 06:08.59 | Beladona | nice find |
| 06:08.59 | Kremonte | hahahah |
| 06:09.09 | Beladona | wow |
| 06:09.36 | Beladona | they forgot to put a pid on the side |
| 06:09.42 | Beladona | of the carton |
| 06:09.46 | Kremonte | lol |
| 06:09.48 | Kremonte | other side? |
| 06:09.49 | Tain | Hope you have a decent system, there the occasional updatess that will take quite a while to run. But most are quick. |
| 06:10.04 | Beladona | heh |
| 06:10.09 | Kremonte | gentoo pwns |
| 06:10.15 | Kremonte | it's just a pita to install if you're stupid |
| 06:10.22 | Beladona | my laptop is a PM 2ghx with 1gb ram and a 6800Go |
| 06:10.44 | Beladona | desktop is p4 3.2 with 2gb ram and a 6800 |
| 06:10.56 | Tain | gentoo doesn't powne anything. It's simply a nice option. |
| 06:11.02 | Cairenn | ROFL, I like the picture! |
| 06:11.06 | Beladona | I prefer simple |
| 06:11.10 | Beladona | but effective |
| 06:11.19 | Kremonte | gentoo ain't really simple ;P but it's nice |
| 06:11.38 | Beladona | I like some of the editors |
| 06:11.40 | Beladona | for linux |
| 06:11.47 | Beladona | will make doing lua more fun |
| 06:12.34 | Kremonte | grrr |
| 06:12.41 | Kremonte | out of 200 cd's in this spindle, 10 are free |
| 06:12.57 | Tain | I think I was right when I wondered to myself if I was taking a second sleeping pill, but I didn't remember taking the first. |
| 06:13.26 | Tain | I think I'm going to go to bed and hide from the hallucionations sneaking in. |
| 06:14.39 | Kremonte | Tain, watch out for the ghost behind you. |
| 06:14.45 | Kremonte | and good night :) |
| 06:14.49 | Cairenn | night Tain |
| 06:16.16 | Kremonte | Gentoo is really fun and cutting edge, but it isn't for the faint of heart. If you're looking for a quick'n'easy distro then you're in the wrong place |
| 06:16.20 | Kremonte | boo, my heart just fainted |
| 06:16.48 | Beladona | I tried all the quick n easy distros |
| 06:16.52 | Beladona | they just pissed me off |
| 06:16.57 | Kremonte | yeah. |
| 06:16.57 | krka | mepis too? |
| 06:17.01 | Beladona | yeah |
| 06:17.07 | Kremonte | i got fedora a couple months ago, and thought it would be a nice start |
| 06:17.08 | Beladona | mepis isn't bad |
| 06:17.11 | Cairenn | sleep time guys |
| 06:17.13 | Kremonte | it was like installing windows |
| 06:17.14 | Cairenn | night night |
| 06:17.15 | Kremonte | night Cairenn :) |
| 06:17.21 | krka | night |
| 06:17.35 | krka | that bad eh Kremonte? |
| 06:17.47 | Beladona | well it is from the people that did RedHat |
| 06:17.58 | Beladona | how commercial do you want? |
| 06:18.00 | Beladona | hehe |
| 06:18.01 | Kremonte | after locking up 3 times during install, i could swear i was running on my windows install with a blueish red theme |
| 06:19.27 | krka | I haven't tried that many distros, only red hat a few years ago, then mandrake and I once tried a netinstall of debian, then I tried mepis and it worked perfectly |
| 06:19.45 | Kremonte | hm, swsusp sounds interesting |
| 06:19.46 | krka | been on that same install ever since |
| 06:19.49 | Beladona | windows is so friggin stupid |
| 06:20.01 | Beladona | I went and installed windows again for the dual boot right? |
| 06:20.16 | Beladona | deleted the first partition, formatted it |
| 06:20.20 | Beladona | installed |
| 06:20.28 | Beladona | oh look, it is on partition 2! |
| 06:20.36 | Kremonte | rofl |
| 06:20.37 | Beladona | so now my windows system drive is E:\ |
| 06:20.41 | Beladona | fucking dumbasses |
| 06:21.03 | Kremonte | my friend sent me a "crack" for BF2 over aim this morning, to ask me to virus scan it |
| 06:21.23 | Kremonte | well windows freaked out as soon as it finished getting sent from aim, and totally locked down my computer |
| 06:21.28 | Beladona | a crack for BF2? |
| 06:21.38 | Kremonte | no cd crack or something |
| 06:21.38 | Beladona | I would never crack that game |
| 06:21.44 | Kremonte | well, anyway, lol |
| 06:21.56 | Kremonte | i got DC'ed in the middle of 3 lava packs in the middle of MC since windows went into lockdown |
| 06:22.09 | Kremonte | it closed my photoshop and all my notepads (which i was working on Panda in) |
| 06:22.16 | Beladona | here is my problem -- they are making Vista MORE user friendly? |
| 06:22.17 | Kremonte | and downloaded/installed "SpySheriff" |
| 06:22.37 | Kremonte | it scanned my HD's after 2 hours, found 2 instances of spyware...and said to remove it, i needed to buy it for like $60 |
| 06:22.41 | Beladona | that is the equivalent to more retarded and toyish |
| 06:22.54 | Kremonte | why windows, why ;_; |
| 06:23.07 | Beladona | Spybot |
| 06:23.11 | Beladona | Serarch and Destroy |
| 06:23.12 | Kremonte | i had it installed |
| 06:23.19 | Kremonte | i have spybot and adaware pro installed |
| 06:23.25 | Cairenn|sleep | Hijack This |
| 06:23.29 | Kremonte | windows didn't let me do anything |
| 06:23.30 | Beladona | Spybot is my fave |
| 06:23.55 | Kremonte | i had to turn off my computer, boot off the windows cd just so i could make it run in safe mode |
| 06:24.01 | Kremonte | then i ran spybot and fixed it |
| 06:24.03 | krka | so, you can actually play WoW with regular wine? |
| 06:24.06 | Cairenn|sleep | I've got all 3 on my system, only use Spybot & AdAware most of the time, just every now and then I'll run hijack this just to be sure |
| 06:24.08 | krka | i thought you needed cedega |
| 06:24.15 | Kremonte | krka, you can |
| 06:24.59 | Kremonte | i run spybot weekly, i don't really need it often though, because the only places i DL things are WoW patches, crud off sf.net, and photoshop updates |
| 06:25.16 | krka | cool |
| 06:25.35 | Beladona | it has issues, but they can be fixed |
| 06:25.46 | Beladona | cedega has issues too that need fixes |
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| 06:26.13 | Kremonte | the pay-to-use issue? ;p |
| 06:26.36 | krka | that's the one |
| 06:26.36 | Beladona | hehe |
| 06:26.42 | krka | good morning cair |
| 06:26.45 | Cairenn | :p |
| 06:26.52 | krka | had a good sleep? |
| 06:26.56 | Beladona | and you tried to tell me to go to bed |
| 06:26.59 | Beladona | =P |
| 06:27.00 | Cairenn | you guys got talking ... |
| 06:27.01 | Kremonte | i think that asking for money for ANYTHING on linux, save for ordering CD's, is a sin |
| 06:27.04 | Kremonte | and you will go to hell |
| 06:27.17 | krka | hey, you people on that other continent ALWAYS talk when I sleep :( |
| 06:27.28 | Kremonte | my continent owns your continent |
| 06:27.32 | krka | it's just that we are spoiled :/ |
| 06:27.42 | Beladona | that is like walking an old lady across the street, and then stealing her purse |
| 06:27.45 | Cairenn | krka: I'm usually awake all night (my night, that is) |
| 06:30.18 | Kremonte | grr linux and it's coincidences with acronyms and real words |
| 06:30.56 | Kremonte | GN guill |
| 06:30.56 | Beladona | night Guill |
| 06:31.09 | *** topic/#WoWI-lounge by Cairenn -> This channel is for dev discussion only. Be respectful. No spamming the bot, and no bothering Slouken about work. Get along. Have fun. |
| 06:31.44 | Beladona | should be TOPIC: Love, Love, Slap your neighbor |
| 06:31.44 | Kremonte | now, the question; |
| 06:31.49 | Beladona | err |
| 06:31.55 | Kremonte | live*? :P |
| 06:31.55 | Beladona | Live, Love, Slap your neighbor |
| 06:31.56 | Cairenn | I just took out the bit about 1.9, don't look for any hidden meaning |
| 06:32.09 | Kremonte | install gentoo tonight, or install gentoo tomorrow |
| 06:32.14 | Beladona | tonight |
| 06:32.16 | Beladona | I am |
| 06:32.19 | Beladona | =P |
| 06:32.32 | Beladona | oh wait |
| 06:32.37 | Kremonte | oh, bela |
| 06:32.38 | Beladona | same machine as you are talking to us on? |
| 06:32.43 | Kremonte | get the package cd too! :P |
| 06:32.44 | Kremonte | yeah |
| 06:32.48 | Beladona | tomorrow then |
| 06:32.50 | Kremonte | i have another HD that i use for linux |
| 06:32.50 | Beladona | =P |
| 06:32.52 | Kremonte | lol, k! :D |
| 06:33.02 | Kremonte | hm, and on my laptop for christmas....linux or no linux |
| 06:33.16 | Kremonte | i can bring it to school then amaze everyone with my console skillz |
| 06:33.25 | Kremonte | emerge social-life |
| 06:33.34 | Beladona | hehe |
| 06:33.45 | Beladona | do it |
| 06:34.02 | Beladona | once I prove that I can play wow on linux reliably, I am going au-antural Linux style |
| 06:34.08 | Kremonte | au-antural? |
| 06:34.18 | Kremonte | au-natural? |
| 06:34.19 | Kremonte | lol |
| 06:34.24 | Kremonte | same, bela |
| 06:34.35 | Kremonte | the only thiung that stopped me from using linux before was poor usability with FFXI |
| 06:34.45 | Beladona | hehe |
| 06:34.45 | Cairenn | okay, I don't want to know about you people playing WoW in the nude :p |
| 06:34.52 | Beladona | well... |
| 06:34.55 | Beladona | nm |
| 06:35.22 | Cairenn | reada ma lips ... I donna wanna know |
| 06:35.33 | Beladona | I say nothing |
| 06:35.53 | Beladona | see no evil, hear no evil, wear no... oh |
| 06:35.58 | Kremonte | rofl |
| 06:36.23 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 06:37.08 | Beladona | getting the package cd now while I load gentoo |
| 06:37.38 | Kremonte | i wonder how different it is installing Gentoo on AMD 64 |
| 06:37.52 | krka | hmm... I can't for my life find what cair what referring to... does that say something about her or me? O_o |
| 06:38.22 | Kolth | Nope. |
| 06:38.33 | Kolth | She's making light. |
| 06:38.37 | Kolth | And it's wonderous! |
| 06:42.47 | Cairenn | "Beladona: once I prove that I can play wow on linux reliably, I am going au-antural Linux style" |
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| 06:55.56 | Kolth | Kalroth?! |
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| 07:45.02 | Beladona | you there Kremonte? |
| 07:50.04 | Elkano | Beladona, do you know of a safe way to propagate items from one client to another? |
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| 07:51.18 | Elkano | I tryied sending links over a privet chanel but the server strips them :( |
| 07:51.23 | Kremonte | Beladona; i'm here now |
| 07:52.19 | Kremonte | Elkano - propogate items? |
| 07:52.55 | Kolth | Elkano, whispers? |
| 07:53.13 | Elkano | well, Kremonte, I don't know wether you know the addon I'm working on (you can find it in the beta addon part of wowi). |
| 07:53.32 | Kremonte | yeah, i do |
| 07:54.41 | Elkano | well, I want to send 'new' items to all other addon users so a) their client caches them for personal use and b) the know that these are linkable for the session |
| 07:55.26 | Elkano | so whispersw ouldn't do the trick since I would have to whisper everybody and I would have to cache who is online using the addon :/ |
| 07:55.44 | Elkano | and I think the server would kill me for sending that many whispers in a short time ;) |
| 07:56.19 | Beladona | that would become somewhat slow |
| 07:56.40 | Kolth | Elkano, strip the data into plain text and send it that way? |
| 07:56.45 | Beladona | you could do it be putting the links in a format that will not get stripped, and just have the addon reform it |
| 07:56.58 | Beladona | or what Kolth said |
| 07:57.01 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 07:57.05 | Kremonte | yar |
| 07:57.09 | Kolth | Beladona's way is more complete! |
| 07:57.13 | Kremonte | turn | into : or something |
| 07:57.40 | Beladona | gentoo is a pain in the ass to install |
| 07:57.45 | Beladona | lol |
| 07:57.45 | Kremonte | yeah :P |
| 07:57.47 | Kolth | Use Arch! |
| 07:57.53 | Beladona | ehh? |
| 07:57.54 | Kremonte | no ty? |
| 07:57.57 | Kolth | Arch-Linux ftw |
| 07:57.59 | Kolth | <3 it |
| 07:58.04 | Kremonte | gentoo install pays off, IMO |
| 07:58.16 | Kremonte | @elkano - but you need a way so it can't be abused, ie someone sending something a fake link |
| 07:58.27 | Beladona | I am following the guide, and am up to the part where I install the base system |
| 07:58.55 | Beladona | it wants me to do mirrorselect |
| 07:59.05 | Beladona | which I guess means I need to be online |
| 07:59.07 | Elkano | well, the problem is that if I only send the itemid, which would be enough to shar the data, if so posts an invalid item reference all addon users will be disconnected. If I could send links (which are validated by the server) the one wo trys to interfere would be the one suffering) |
| 07:59.11 | Beladona | I thought everything I ened is on the universal cd |
| 07:59.38 | Kremonte | no, Beladona |
| 07:59.47 | Kremonte | in that case you need to compile it on an outside system |
| 08:00.15 | Beladona | well shit |
| 08:00.35 | Kremonte | i THINK there is a full you can DL |
| 08:00.39 | Kremonte | but i am not sure where/how |
| 08:01.26 | Beladona | nm I guess I am online |
| 08:01.30 | Beladona | it used my wireless |
| 08:01.32 | Beladona | woot |
| 08:02.08 | Kremonte | lol nice |
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| 08:39.20 | Ktron|less | purl, night |
| 08:39.24 | purl | G'night ktron|less, get out of here. |
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| 08:49.12 | Kolth | Who was doing the Raid sub-group figuring stuff? |
| 08:51.57 | oxman | I don't understand :] |
| 08:51.59 | oxman | group by class ? |
| 08:52.12 | Kolth | Someone was just writing up the code to figure out what group a raid members is in. |
| 08:52.20 | oxman | oh ok |
| 08:52.27 | oxman | not very difficult :) |
| 08:52.51 | Kolth | Not at all. |
| 08:52.57 | Kolth | But Blizzard didn't make it simple. |
| 08:53.23 | oxman | There isn't a function, but one loop to do this, we can't say isn't simple ;) |
| 08:53.34 | Kolth | :P |
| 08:57.53 | krka|work | how does it work? |
| 08:58.10 | krka|work | any connection between raid id and party id? |
| 08:58.32 | oxman | UnitName('raid'..i) |
| 08:58.44 | oxman | i loop since 1 to GetNumRaidMembers() |
| 08:58.59 | oxman | then, compare with UnitIsUnit('raid'..i, 'party'..j) |
| 08:59.00 | Kolth | yeah. |
| 08:59.06 | oxman | if you want find the raidid == partyid |
| 08:59.11 | Kolth | local numRaidMembers = GetNumRaidMembers(); |
| 08:59.11 | Kolth | for i=1, MAX_RAID_MEMBERS do |
| 08:59.11 | Kolth | if ( i <= numRaidMembers ) then |
| 08:59.11 | Kolth | name, rank, subgroup = GetRaidRosterInfo(i); |
| 08:59.11 | Kolth | -- Set the player's group number indicator |
| 08:59.12 | Kolth | if ( name == UnitName("player") ) then |
| 08:59.48 | krka|work | ok, so subgroup has no relation to raid id? |
| 09:00.04 | oxman | a little |
| 09:00.04 | oxman | :) |
| 09:00.43 | krka|work | kolth, why not do: for i=1, numRaidMembers do, instead? |
| 09:01.05 | Kolth | I just pasted Blizzard's code. |
| 09:01.06 | oxman | he likes useless code |
| 09:01.06 | oxman | :p |
| 09:01.22 | Kolth | I just pasted Blizzard's code. :P |
| 09:06.08 | Beladona | Blizzard: where doing it both ways when you only need one is acceptable |
| 09:06.13 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 09:06.40 | oxman | hum ? :p |
| 09:06.47 | Beladona | yes! |
| 09:09.16 | Beladona | that sounds like a plan |
| 09:09.34 | Beladona | gentoo is coming along nicely, I can finish up with it in the morning |
| 09:13.41 | id` | Ok i have a question. I want to modify the messages that go to the chat window. I'd like the original functions to work. But i'd like my own function to output it. This means that other addons will use the default functions to gather data for example, and i will show what i need on the screen instead of the default one. |
| 09:14.01 | id` | Is this possible at all? |
| 09:14.16 | id` | (Side note, i can't test it yet im at work...) |
| 09:14.31 | oxman | they're already an addon which doing that (for combat log) |
| 09:14.49 | id` | yes. but does it leave the other messages intact? |
| 09:15.02 | Bela|SLEEP | you just want to get what is being output to the chat window? |
| 09:15.05 | id` | so the other addons dont stop functioning? |
| 09:15.13 | oxman | Normally not. |
| 09:15.19 | id` | i want to get it and display it in my own format after i convert it |
| 09:15.32 | oxman | You get the data |
| 09:15.33 | id` | but i want other addons to be able to pick uup the message with the original functions |
| 09:15.36 | oxman | then select word in data |
| 09:15.39 | oxman | then print him |
| 09:15.44 | oxman | so the original data is ok |
| 09:15.54 | oxman | him/them (i'm bad in english) |
| 09:15.57 | Bela|SLEEP | is the original message still getting output? |
| 09:16.02 | id` | i want: |
| 09:16.51 | id` | ChatWindow1SendMessage (or whatever its called that outputs a message) |
| 09:16.51 | id` | to work like it does |
| 09:16.51 | id` | but |
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| 09:16.51 | id` | i want it to not display the data |
| 09:16.51 | oxman | no problem i have said ;p |
| 09:16.51 | id` | then i want to make a copy of that function into my own addon |
| 09:16.52 | oxman | try it |
| 09:16.56 | id` | and use that function to display it instead |
| 09:16.59 | id` | with my own format |
| 09:17.06 | Bela|SLEEP | you can try hooking it, but that is a pretty destructive hack |
| 09:17.14 | oxman | why hooking ? |
| 09:17.17 | id` | this way all other addons that use the original function still work |
| 09:17.27 | oxman | just listen the event |
| 09:17.27 | oxman | if you hook it, you will break all addons use this function |
| 09:17.27 | Bela|SLEEP | that doesn't prevent it from being output |
| 09:17.30 | id` | yes |
| 09:17.30 | Bela|SLEEP | which he wants to do |
| 09:17.31 | id` | :| |
| 09:17.37 | Bela|SLEEP | otherwise I would have suggested that |
| 09:17.46 | oxman | (in fact if you make a good hook it will not break other addon) |
| 09:17.53 | oxman | but, listen the event, is simple and clean |
| 09:18.00 | id` | i want idChat:Message() to output the message |
| 09:18.07 | Bela|SLEEP | so |
| 09:18.11 | Bela|SLEEP | register the event |
| 09:18.14 | id` | not ChatFrame:MessageWhateverFunctio() |
| 09:18.16 | Bela|SLEEP | and then redirect the arg |
| 09:18.37 | oxman | TRY IT it's simple. |
| 09:18.41 | id` | ok |
| 09:18.41 | Bela|SLEEP | I would recommend against disabling the message output |
| 09:18.42 | id` | :) |
| 09:18.45 | SP|Sorren | you want something like hitsmode? |
| 09:18.50 | id` | sort of |
| 09:18.50 | oxman | If it's not ok, we will find the solution |
| 09:18.51 | SP|Sorren | but for chat? o.O |
| 09:18.53 | Bela|SLEEP | no matter how you do it, you are breaking it |
| 09:18.54 | id` | yea |
| 09:19.01 | id` | I |
| 09:19.03 | SP|Sorren | interesting. |
| 09:19.18 | id` | I'm also going to add little functions like %t expanding into the current target |
| 09:19.21 | SP|Sorren | what do you plan to do exactly? |
| 09:19.25 | Bela|SLEEP | not sure I understand |
| 09:19.30 | id` | any addons ill be making that will use the chat will use my function instead |
| 09:19.37 | Bela|SLEEP | you can already put combat text to another window |
| 09:19.39 | SP|Sorren | then you have to hook it |
| 09:19.43 | SP|Sorren | if you do it that way |
| 09:20.04 | SP|Sorren | so |
| 09:20.08 | SP|Sorren | do you want other people to see your location? |
| 09:20.10 | SP|Sorren | or just you? |
| 09:20.15 | SP|Sorren | er |
| 09:20.16 | SP|Sorren | target |
| 09:20.18 | SP|Sorren | on %t |
| 09:20.21 | Bela|SLEEP | what I would do is create a custom chat frame, and then register the events. Use a regex to get the hitsmode data |
| 09:20.23 | id` | other people ;) |
| 09:20.30 | oxman | lol |
| 09:20.36 | SP|Sorren | so you want to hook SendChatMessage() then |
| 09:20.42 | SP|Sorren | and not AddMessage() :P |
| 09:20.49 | id` | w/e its name |
| 09:20.50 | id` | :X |
| 09:20.55 | SP|Sorren | no, they're quite different :P |
| 09:21.08 | id` | ic |
| 09:21.10 | id` | well |
| 09:21.25 | id` | thanks for the help. I know its easily doable now (though im very new to lua) |
| 09:21.29 | Bela|SLEEP | play around with it and ask us as you go |
| 09:21.31 | id` | ill look at it tonight \o/ |
| 09:21.36 | Bela|SLEEP | when you are home to test of course |
| 09:21.40 | id` | ye |
| 09:21.44 | oxman | test at work ;) |
| 09:21.48 | oxman | i do this often :] |
| 09:21.55 | Bela|SLEEP | depends on your work |
| 09:21.57 | Bela|SLEEP | hehe |
| 09:22.01 | id` | behind* |
| 09:22.17 | oxman | Bela|SLEEP: sleep, gentoo sux ;) |
| 09:22.23 | id` | "More money!" "Bigger BMW!" |
| 09:22.29 | id` | www.archlinux.org |
| 09:22.32 | oxman | YEAH ! |
| 09:22.35 | id` | :] |
| 09:22.36 | oxman | arch, that's good |
| 09:22.43 | oxman | (but american community sux :p) |
| 09:23.03 | id` | unfortunately i code ASP Jscript atm so im bound to WIN XP |
| 09:23.08 | id` | *shrug* |
| 09:23.17 | Kalroth | Sucks! |
| 09:23.18 | oxman | asp sux, ruby rox xD |
| 09:23.23 | id` | heh no shit :P |
| 09:23.27 | id` | internship |
| 09:23.27 | id` | :| |
| 09:23.37 | id` | school chose the company |
| 09:23.41 | id` | sigh... |
| 09:24.04 | id` | meh its easy though. all i do is design little databases and make templates for some big-ass CMS |
| 09:24.33 | id` | o well, back to work |
| 09:24.56 | Bela|SLEEP | gentoo doesn't suck |
| 09:25.13 | Bela|SLEEP | the install is annoying, but honestly it grows on ya |
| 09:25.21 | Bela|SLEEP | I like having deep control over it |
| 09:25.36 | oxman | with archlinux you've a total control |
| 09:25.49 | Bela|SLEEP | what do you work for them or something? |
| 09:26.29 | oxman | no |
| 09:27.02 | Bela|SLEEP | will test it out later |
| 09:27.13 | Bela|SLEEP | kinda late in the game to be switching gears now |
| 09:27.14 | SP|Sorren | you guys use linux often? :p |
| 09:27.19 | Bela|SLEEP | I prefer it |
| 09:27.22 | SP|Sorren | i see |
| 09:27.33 | Bela|SLEEP | if I can get wow going on it, I will be using it only on my laptop |
| 09:27.44 | Bela|SLEEP | for now I dual boot |
| 09:27.45 | SP|Sorren | cool :P |
| 09:28.11 | SP|Sorren | i should use linux more often |
| 09:28.15 | SP|Sorren | i always forget the useful commands |
| 09:28.15 | SP|Sorren | :/ |
| 09:28.24 | Bela|SLEEP | hehe |
| 09:28.46 | Bela|SLEEP | ok going to bed. I am emerge-ing, so it may take a while |
| 09:28.55 | SP|Sorren | night 8) |
| 09:29.30 | id` | get a silly pentium 1 pc |
| 09:29.42 | id` | with a 4-8GB hard disk |
| 09:29.52 | id` | (of you can even get them that small these days) |
| 09:29.54 | id` | if* |
| 09:30.00 | id` | and slap linux on it |
| 09:30.22 | id` | leave it on and make it do stuff for you |
| 09:30.34 | id` | a webserver, interpret lua |
| 09:30.44 | id` | an irc bot is fun to write |
| 09:31.01 | id` | at that point youll be rolling :P |
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| 14:09.20 | Lebannen | hello folks... question: is there an easier way to keep track of overhealing (statistically, not before-the-fact) than just trying to use UNIT_HEALTH semi-intelligently with the various CHAT_MSG_SPELL_foo messages? I'm hoping there is... :) |
| 14:10.26 | MatryxWrk | not "better" (at least - I don't think it is) but you could use a timer to check their health every .1 seconds. |
| 14:11.38 | Lebannen | interesting approach... UNIT_HEALTH gets fired far more than that I guess? |
| 14:12.23 | MatryxWrk | to be honest I don't know - I've never looked at the event. |
| 14:12.45 | Lebannen | I'm normally against polling but think you might be on to something in this case... |
| 14:13.18 | MatryxWrk | I would assume you'd code it to only start polling when you're casting a spell with a duration ;) |
| 14:13.25 | MatryxWrk | and stop when you finish/interrupt |
| 14:14.07 | MatryxWrk | if possible - you might want to make allowances for how damaged the person is getting over the time specified..... |
| 14:14.12 | MatryxWrk | but that's far more complex |
| 14:14.32 | MatryxWrk | (e.g. they're taking 40dps, casting time 1 second, they're on x health, if their health goes over Y I should stop....) |
| 14:18.26 | Lebannen | ah, but if I want to record general overheals I also need to track heals by others... so can't just poll selectively, except for in-combat only :) |
| 14:18.53 | MatryxWrk | tracking heals by others could run into range problems couldn't it? |
| 14:19.09 | MatryxWrk | i.e. just outside the combat log range |
| 14:19.17 | Lebannen | but it looks like UNIT_HEALTH gets called all the time - player health, target health, nearby monster healths, party and raid helths, so polling is probably actually cleaner! |
| 14:19.35 | MatryxWrk | that's a scary thought ;) |
| 14:19.58 | Lebannen | yeah, there's always that - but as healing tend to be recorded by the receiving party, it's all-or-nothing anyway (I think) |
| 14:20.17 | MatryxWrk | oh - so it's to be run on the tank rather than the priest? |
| 14:21.00 | Lebannen | yeah, or someone near the tank - this is just for info purposes, for later analysis :) |
| 14:21.08 | MatryxWrk | ah ok then :) |
| 14:21.32 | krka|work | if you already have onupdate-code, adding the polling is definitely cheaper |
| 14:22.26 | Lebannen | Polling it is then! Still an element of guesswork and fudgery, but hopefully not too much... |
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| 14:35.59 | malreth | mwrar~~ |
| 14:41.38 | Osagasu | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=6243639&s=blizzard&tmp=1#blizzard <--Tseric rawks. |
| 14:42.38 | malreth | i like enya, too |
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| 14:44.51 | Osagasu | Hey Cide. |
| 14:44.56 | Cide | hey |
| 14:44.59 | Osagasu | I have made it official. Tseric rawks. |
| 14:45.05 | Osagasu | ^^ |
| 14:45.14 | Cide | you made it official? uh oh! |
| 14:45.39 | MatryxWrk | pedastal.collapse |
| 14:46.16 | Osagasu | lern2spel, nub. |
| 14:46.20 | Osagasu | Its pedestal. |
| 14:46.27 | Osagasu | :P |
| 14:46.38 | MatryxWrk | riight |
| 14:46.53 | malreth | my irc client has a built-in dictonary. |
| 14:47.44 | MatryxWrk | p.s. It's <--- it is.. Its = belonging to it. |
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| 14:48.10 | malreth | grammowned! |
| 14:48.18 | Beladona | ? |
| 14:48.22 | heffe | doh Cairenn|sleep sleeping.. sob |
| 14:48.30 | MatryxWrk | Cairenn|sleep rarely really sleeps |
| 14:48.37 | MatryxWrk | send a PM - you may get a response |
| 14:48.42 | Beladona | you need something on the website? |
| 14:48.43 | heffe | or does anyone else know of a good webhost that run php safe mode in OFF? |
| 14:48.53 | Beladona | ew |
| 14:48.55 | Cide | why OFF? |
| 14:49.04 | heffe | cause ndkp needs it to be off |
| 14:49.04 | heffe | heh |
| 14:49.12 | Cide | modify it so it works with on :P |
| 14:49.26 | heffe | tell that to the nurfed ppl :P |
| 14:49.34 | heffe | but i'm not sure that is possible though |
| 14:49.47 | Cide | I'm sure it is |
| 14:50.05 | Cide | but I'm not sure if I can do it myself :P |
| 14:50.14 | malreth | you know that line in Office Space that Michael Bolton says? |
| 14:50.24 | malreth | Why should I change, he's the one that sucks! |
| 14:50.32 | heffe | well what it does(i think) is that it parses or recalulate all dkp values after each update and that can take a loooong time |
| 14:50.49 | heffe | and i think that is why the script needs it to be run in safe mode off somehow |
| 14:51.44 | Beladona | http://www.futurequest.net/Safe_Mode_Off.php |
| 14:51.48 | Beladona | go there |
| 14:51.48 | MatryxWrk | what's the problem being caused - just the file restrictions on the scripts? |
| 14:52.13 | heffe | dunno hehe i know no php :P |
| 14:52.25 | MatryxWrk | what error does it kick out that leads you to believe it's safe mode |
| 14:52.29 | heffe | sec |
| 14:54.32 | MatryxWrk | ... |
| 14:54.34 | heffe | Warning: set_time_limit(): Cannot set time limit in safe mode in /customers/infested.dk/infested.dk/httpd.www/dkp/admin/processDKP.php on line 8 |
| 14:54.34 | heffe | Warning: set_time_limit(): Cannot set time limit in safe mode in /customers/infested.dk/infested.dk/httpd.www/dkp/admin/config/processclass.php on line 2 |
| 14:54.43 | Beladona | I see nothing in their docs that say it requires safe mode off |
| 14:54.49 | Beladona | hmmm |
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| 14:54.59 | MatryxWrk | set_time_limit() just allows the script to run for longer than the default 30 seconds |
| 14:55.00 | heffe | there is no problem yet but there will be when i got a couple of hundred items in the db |
| 14:55.30 | heffe | it will take longer than 30 sec :P |
| 14:55.31 | MatryxWrk | heffe: my php scripts only exceed 30 seconds when I do hundreds of thousands of iterations on a large database |
| 14:55.45 | MatryxWrk | a few hundred shouldn't really unless you've got massive processing going on |
| 14:55.53 | Beladona | aye |
| 14:56.02 | heffe | ppl are already having problems with it aparantly |
| 14:56.13 | Beladona | then nurfed needs to recode it |
| 14:56.18 | Beladona | because that is poorly written |
| 14:56.19 | MatryxWrk | *nod* |
| 14:56.31 | heffe | lol ok i'll tell em :P |
| 14:56.42 | Beladona | I am sure they will take it well |
| 14:56.45 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 14:57.00 | MatryxWrk | basically - the problem you have has no solution without them changing their base code, or you moving webhosts |
| 14:57.07 | MatryxWrk | are you on a shared server? |
| 14:57.09 | Beladona | just ask them why they can't program using code that is ok for safe_mode off environments |
| 14:57.26 | MatryxWrk | actually - edit the file to include this at the start: |
| 14:57.31 | Beladona | most sites try to use safe_mode on |
| 14:57.34 | heffe | well i want a new host anyway as this one such major... |
| 14:57.43 | MatryxWrk | if( ini_get('safe_mode') ){ |
| 14:57.52 | MatryxWrk | er |
| 14:57.54 | MatryxWrk | missed my ! |
| 14:58.02 | MatryxWrk | if(!ini_get('safe_mode'')) { |
| 14:58.13 | MatryxWrk | then the set execution time function line |
| 14:58.15 | MatryxWrk | then } |
| 14:58.49 | MatryxWrk | that'll stop the errors for now,and when you move to a host which doesn't have safe mode on it'll seamlessly switch back |
| 14:59.12 | heffe | well i'm switching as soon as i find one :P but i dont know of any one :P |
| 14:59.26 | heffe | things is installing nuke evo dont work eithe rbut have to chmod all files manually :S |
| 14:59.27 | Beladona | you dont need the ! |
| 14:59.54 | heffe | haha |
| 14:59.54 | heffe | <Nastrand|wk> oh snap Beladona teliling Asia what is up! |
| 14:59.54 | heffe | <Nastrand|wk> code that shit better bitch! is what she said I think. |
| 14:59.54 | heffe | <sergio> cat fight |
| 14:59.54 | heffe | <sergio> pics plz |
| 15:00.16 | MatryxWrk | Beladona: without the ! it would only call the set_time_limit bit *in* safe mode - which is what's causing the error |
| 15:00.52 | MatryxWrk | or you could fudge it and suppress the error with an @ symbol in front of the line |
| 15:00.54 | Beladona | just if (ini_get(safe_mode)) { |
| 15:00.54 | MatryxWrk | that'd work too |
| 15:01.02 | Beladona | true |
| 15:01.13 | Beladona | heffe, where is that from? |
| 15:01.29 | MatryxWrk | Beladona: yes... as I said - that would cause the code in the block to run in safe mode only... which is the opposite of what would be wanted. |
| 15:02.49 | heffe | Beladona from nurfed's dkp stuff |
| 15:02.56 | Beladona | an irc chat? |
| 15:03.01 | Beladona | their website? |
| 15:03.06 | heffe | url comming |
| 15:03.23 | heffe | http://www.nurfedui.net/ndkp.php |
| 15:03.53 | MatryxWrk | I see no catfight |
| 15:04.13 | MatryxWrk | I think Bel was referring to the quoted text you pasted. |
| 15:04.16 | MatryxWrk | could be mistaken tho |
| 15:04.22 | Beladona | no you are correct |
| 15:04.26 | Beladona | ... |
| 15:06.32 | heffe | you are :D |
| 15:06.55 | Beladona | <- confused |
| 15:07.09 | heffe | :P |
| 15:07.17 | Beladona | heffe: I was looking for the chat that you are referring to |
| 15:07.24 | Beladona | which you pasted |
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| 15:07.58 | heffe | ah nurfed irc room |
| 15:08.13 | heffe | i copy pasted from here and then they replied and i pasted that here :D |
| 15:08.32 | Beladona | bah |
| 15:08.40 | Beladona | I told you they wouldn't take it well |
| 15:08.40 | MatryxWrk | you know copy and pasting cross rooms can lead to all sorts of trouble due to omitted context and so forth |
| 15:08.46 | Beladona | aye |
| 15:08.52 | Beladona | and I didn't mean it as a slight |
| 15:08.53 | MatryxWrk | I hope you included everything from the start of your initial query :P |
| 15:09.19 | Beladona | is the nurfed channel #nurfed? |
| 15:09.27 | Beladona | and is it on this server? |
| 15:09.37 | MatryxWrk | looks like a different server |
| 15:09.42 | MatryxWrk | as heffe is only in this one on this server |
| 15:09.50 | Beladona | that would be a no |
| 15:10.04 | MatryxWrk | unless heffe has multiple clients open, but that's less likely |
| 15:10.06 | heffe | no |
| 15:10.23 | heffe | irc.enterthegame.com |
| 15:10.39 | heffe | they are a bit imature though i think :D |
| 15:10.58 | Beladona | I just don't want them to think I was trying to put them down |
| 15:11.06 | heffe | no i dont think they do |
| 15:11.11 | heffe | think so i mean |
| 15:11.16 | Beladona | you should never paste chat out of context |
| 15:11.26 | heffe | i didnt kinda |
| 15:11.32 | heffe | they are just acting up |
| 15:11.57 | heffe | or whatever it is you say |
| 15:12.30 | heffe | they are quiet again now |
| 15:12.53 | Beladona | just gonna leave it alone |
| 15:12.59 | Beladona | if they are upset they can come talk to me |
| 15:13.15 | heffe | i'm 99% sure they arnt upset but just being silly 15year olds :D |
| 15:13.33 | MatryxWrk | so they're planning a surgical strike |
| 15:13.40 | heffe | lol |
| 15:13.41 | Beladona | I was expecting something like "If Bela thinks he can do it better, let him try" |
| 15:13.51 | Beladona | which, time permitting, I would |
| 15:13.53 | Beladona | but |
| 15:14.01 | MatryxWrk | time permitting is always the way :/ |
| 15:14.15 | Tain | Time is indeed a harsh mistress. |
| 15:14.35 | Beladona | I made a pretty decent roster system for my guild wars guild. It would be easy to port it for wow, and add dkp features |
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| 15:16.36 | heffe | ndkp is kinda umm |
| 15:16.47 | heffe | advanced for other dkp systems |
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| 15:17.48 | Beladona | comparitively maybe |
| 15:18.17 | heffe | Beladona would that site u sent me to work with it? |
| 15:18.22 | Beladona | should |
| 15:18.26 | heffe | futurequest i mean |
| 15:18.29 | heffe | ok cool :D |
| 15:18.31 | heffe | u used them? |
| 15:18.34 | Beladona | no |
| 15:18.38 | Beladona | I host my own websites |
| 15:18.42 | heffe | ah |
| 15:19.22 | Beladona | virtual host here at work |
| 15:20.13 | heffe | gah they werent cheap though :O |
| 15:20.42 | Beladona | just do some searches |
| 15:20.48 | Beladona | web host safe_mode |
| 15:20.55 | Beladona | should bring some stuff up |
| 15:21.12 | MatryxWrk | but I think these are outside the scope most people would need |
| 15:21.25 | heffe | :P |
| 15:21.31 | MatryxWrk | *shrug* |
| 15:21.34 | MatryxWrk | well I can rattle you off al ist |
| 15:21.37 | MatryxWrk | *a list |
| 15:21.41 | MatryxWrk | but they won't be cheap... |
| 15:22.19 | Beladona | check the major ones |
| 15:22.23 | Beladona | like godaddy |
| 15:22.53 | Beladona | they are usually inexpesive, and while I am not positive, they may provide php variable per domain |
| 15:23.26 | MatryxWrk | even if they don't - it might run in non_safe_mode anyway |
| 15:23.34 | MatryxWrk | with the condition that if you break it you can keep both pieces |
| 15:25.38 | heffe | weee "No, we do not run PHP in safe mode on our Linux hosting servers. For more" |
| 15:25.53 | heffe | and they were cheeeeap :D |
| 15:26.01 | Beladona | godaddy? |
| 15:26.05 | heffe | yip |
| 15:26.08 | Beladona | cool |
| 15:26.15 | heffe | are they good though? |
| 15:26.22 | Beladona | have heard good things |
| 15:26.29 | Beladona | don't jump on them immediately though |
| 15:26.37 | Beladona | I prefer to look around and get options first |
| 15:26.49 | Beladona | lemme get another one |
| 15:26.55 | Beladona | there is one I HAVE used in the past |
| 15:26.59 | heffe | yes plz hehe cause i kinda dont fiiind any :P |
| 15:27.53 | Beladona | bear in mind |
| 15:27.56 | Beladona | you need mysql also |
| 15:28.05 | heffe | they got it |
| 15:28.16 | Beladona | by default, or you pay more for it? |
| 15:28.20 | heffe | https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/hosting/shared.asp?se=%2B&ci=260 |
| 15:28.47 | Beladona | damn |
| 15:28.53 | Beladona | do them |
| 15:29.02 | heffe | lol :P |
| 15:29.09 | Beladona | economy plan is cheap, and supports 10 mysql dbs |
| 15:29.12 | Beladona | not bad |
| 15:29.18 | heffe | yep |
| 15:29.22 | Beladona | and 5gb |
| 15:29.29 | heffe | and atleast they claim 99.9% uptime :p |
| 15:29.30 | Beladona | 250 gb transfer |
| 15:29.34 | MatryxWrk | back to work for me :) |
| 15:29.39 | heffe | see ya |
| 15:29.59 | Beladona | this for a guild? |
| 15:30.27 | heffe | yep |
| 15:31.50 | Beladona | you can even give officers ther own email addresses |
| 15:32.40 | heffe | brb |
| 15:42.21 | heffe | back |
| 15:42.28 | heffe | and thanks for finding it Beladona :D |
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| 16:03.51 | Lebannen | Hmm. Very simple lua "table" question: any simple way of adding an element to the end of the table (what would be $table[] = foo in C), or to get the number of elements in a table (count($foo))? All I can find is foo.getn(), which seems just wrong |
| 16:04.52 | MatryxWrk | table.insert() |
| 16:04.53 | MatryxWrk | iirc |
| 16:05.12 | MatryxWrk | 1 sec |
| 16:05.34 | Lebannen | ah, that's right |
| 16:05.35 | MatryxWrk | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.0/manual.html#5.4 |
| 16:05.40 | Lebannen | then supply no position |
| 16:05.45 | Lebannen | perfect, thanks :) |
| 16:05.46 | MatryxWrk | table.getn too |
| 16:05.53 | MatryxWrk | is correct |
| 16:10.09 | Beladona | getn only returns if the indexes use a number |
| 16:10.19 | Beladona | otherwise it will return a cals count |
| 16:10.22 | Beladona | false* |
| 16:10.53 | Beladona | so for example, table = {first, second, third) will not return 3 indexes |
| 16:11.01 | Beladona | but table = {1, 2, 3) will |
| 16:11.28 | Beladona | the way that getn actually works is it looks for the first numbered index, and then subtracts 1 |
| 16:11.39 | Beladona | first numbered that is not used rather |
| 16:12.26 | Beladona | so if I have table[1], table[2], table[3] all set to a variable, but table[4] is nil (because I didn't set it) then table.getn will see 4 as the first nil index, and then sutract 1 |
| 16:12.32 | Beladona | which means it returns a valid 3 |
| 16:12.41 | Beladona | the issue comes when you skip an index |
| 16:12.51 | Tain | So if you know you have only a numeric sequenced index table you can use getn. |
| 16:13.07 | Beladona | table[1], table[2], table[4] are set, but table[3] is nil |
| 16:13.18 | Beladona | getn will see 3 as the first nil entry |
| 16:13.22 | Beladona | and subtract 1 |
| 16:13.25 | Beladona | which returns 2 |
| 16:13.28 | Beladona | which is false |
| 16:13.36 | Beladona | see what I mean? |
| 16:13.43 | Beladona | getn has it's uses, but isn't perfect |
| 16:13.53 | MatryxWrk | Returns the size of a table, when seen as a list. If the table has an n field with a numeric value, this value is the size of the table. Otherwise, if there was a previous call to table.setn over this table, the respective value is returned. Otherwise, the size is one less the first integer index with a nil value. |
| 16:14.06 | MatryxWrk | so you could keep careful track with setn too |
| 16:14.12 | MatryxWrk | if you needed associative indexes |
| 16:14.15 | Beladona | yes, you can alternatively setn to set specific sizes |
| 16:14.21 | Lebannen | assuming you never unset an index... |
| 16:14.34 | Beladona | if you use named indexes, or if you have a habit of setting indexes nil |
| 16:15.02 | MatryxWrk | if you need an accurate count over a table of an unspecified size with unspecified indexes I'd suggest doing a foreach over it and incrementing a counter :/ |
| 16:15.04 | Beladona | it gets hairy from there |
| 16:15.12 | Beladona | aye |
| 16:15.15 | Beladona | that is the best way |
| 16:15.24 | Beladona | you can even create a function simply for that purpose |
| 16:15.32 | Beladona | I am surprised Blizz hasn't done that already |
| 16:16.58 | Tain | I think getn gets maligned a lot, unfairly. It has a specific purpose. |
| 16:17.13 | Tain | (I'm not saying you are, Beladona) |
| 16:17.19 | Tain | Just in general. |
| 16:17.39 | Beladona | no I agree |
| 16:17.55 | Beladona | getn is useful, but you usually want to use setn as well |
| 16:18.09 | Beladona | or just make your own count funtion |
| 16:18.30 | Beladona | or both |
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| 16:33.20 | need_reg_id` | ;\ |
| 16:34.28 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.28 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.46 | need_reg_id` | exept that its taken |
| 16:34.48 | need_reg_id` | and not used |
| 16:34.50 | need_reg_id` | for a year |
| 16:34.51 | Beladona | having trouble getting gentoo to compile well. I may just wimp out and go with ubuntu |
| 16:34.59 | need_reg_id` | and they wont voice me in #freenode |
| 16:35.03 | Osagasu | or /ns register <pw> and /ns id <pw> |
| 16:35.04 | need_reg_id` | so i need thair attention |
| 16:35.06 | Osagasu | :P |
| 16:35.09 | need_reg_id` | cause i cant speek |
| 16:35.17 | need_reg_id` | Beladona: boo! |
| 16:35.23 | need_reg_id` | archlinux.org |
| 16:35.26 | need_reg_id` | just try it once |
| 16:35.37 | need_reg_id` | and, #archlinux ofcource :> |
| 16:35.39 | Beladona | yeah maybe |
| 16:35.41 | need_reg_id` | \o/ |
| 16:37.24 | Cairenn | ? |
| 16:38.10 | id` | :'( |
| 16:56.06 | Ktron|zzz | Gentoo is definitely worth the trouble, but if you have certain motherboards, certain types of ethernet cards, certain LCD monitors, or are trying to compile 64-bit architexture it can be near impossible, you really need to search the forums for every piece of your hardware to make sure all of it is kosher |
| 16:57.30 | Ktron|zzz | Beladona: I know you don't need one more person making recommendations, but I'd tell you to try ubuntu or knoppix depending on what you're hoping to use linux for |
| 16:58.37 | Ktron|zzz | Beladona: knoppix probably has the easiest install process (knoppix is now for great detection) and ubunt seems to be the up-and-coming distribution. (in case you didn't know that about either) |
| 16:59.37 | Tain | And Ubuntu has a cool name to say outloud. |
| 17:02.40 | Ktron|afk | I think both have reasonable userbases too... who knows, I need to run, I was supposed to be somewhere an hour ago, good luck Beladona with whatever you pick/try |
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| 17:03.51 | Ktron|afk | And if you're going to run WoW through Wine or vmware or something, let me know what and how well it works, because if it works reasonably, then I might reconsider whether I could use a linux distribution instead of windows xp on my main machine |
| 17:04.13 | Tain | Tem runs through Wine. |
| 17:04.24 | krka | Ubuntu is a bit extreme for me, only using pure free stuff |
| 17:04.30 | Tain | er or was that kergoth |
| 17:04.35 | Tain | Now I forget! |
| 17:04.43 | krka | Mepis is very easy to setup and is slightly more liberal |
| 17:04.59 | Tain | Mepis? mmmm no, that's no good. Sounds like a Muppet. |
| 17:07.56 | id` | www.archlinux.org |
| 17:08.49 | id` | i used to use slackware but arch is way cooler and ieaier :< |
| 17:08.59 | id` | ah! demon! get away from me! |
| 17:09.37 | lon | it's almost as bad as ratpoison, but actually configurable. |
| 17:10.12 | id` | anyway, i liek to use wmii :) |
| 17:10.16 | id` | wmii.de |
| 17:10.18 | lon | I used to use wmii |
| 17:10.23 | lon | er, wmi |
| 17:10.32 | id` | never tried ion3 :< |
| 17:10.35 | lon | but wmii was t3h sux, imho, so I switched back to ion :) |
| 17:10.37 | id` | heard its powered by lua |
| 17:10.41 | lon | yeah |
| 17:10.49 | lon | it is... |
| 17:10.55 | id` | neat |
| 17:10.55 | id` | :) |
| 17:11.11 | Tain | You all obviously have no idea what goes into making a good distribution. You can't say, "I use wmi" outloud and have it sound good. |
| 17:11.13 | id` | gunna have to persuade kergoth to take a looka t it then :< |
| 17:11.32 | Tain | I use wimmie. Yeesh. that's terrible. |
| 17:11.38 | Beladona | crash, kaboom, time to install another distro |
| 17:11.38 | Lebannen | This is odd... I thought lua did automatic type conversion/coercion? I have a numeric value from a string.gfind - verified by echoing it as a string - and yet when I try to compare it to an integer, I get "attempt to compare number with string". Does more than/less than not trigger coercion? |
| 17:11.53 | Beladona | no |
| 17:12.03 | Beladona | simple answer lol |
| 17:12.18 | id` | Tain: wmii and ion3 are window managers. not distributions |
| 17:12.27 | krka | gnome FTW |
| 17:12.47 | Lebannen | hah, I like simple answers, means I'm not doing anything stupid :) |
| 17:12.49 | id` | and i like archlinux, the distribution, because it allows me to start with nothing but still have everything working |
| 17:13.03 | id` | at also features one of the nices if not the nicest package managers arount |
| 17:13.03 | Tain | Yes yes |
| 17:13.05 | id` | around* |
| 17:13.15 | krka | nicer than debians? |
| 17:13.26 | id` | equal i think |
| 17:13.27 | Tain | What doesn't let you start with nothing but still have everything working? |
| 17:13.34 | id` | ubuntu |
| 17:13.44 | id` | umm |
| 17:13.45 | id` | fedora |
| 17:13.51 | Tain | What exactly is your definition of, "start with nothing"? |
| 17:13.59 | id` | e.g. no packages but "base" |
| 17:14.08 | id` | stuff needed for compiling and installing other things |
| 17:14.19 | id` | stuff everyone needs because its the base of the rest |
| 17:14.31 | Tain | Why do you think the others don't let you do that? |
| 17:14.45 | id` | becaus.. they dont? |
| 17:14.47 | lon | What's "base" is 100% subjective. You can boot a system with a kernel image and "init=/bin/bash". |
| 17:14.48 | krka | debian most certainly lets you choose what you want |
| 17:14.55 | id` | lon: yah |
| 17:15.03 | id` | krka: i agree on debian |
| 17:15.10 | Tain | You can absolutely install whatever you want with both Ubuntu and Fedora. |
| 17:15.10 | lon | static-compiled bash, and you've technically got a working operating system. |
| 17:15.16 | Tain | Fedora tries to spoonfeed you everything, but you don't have to let it. |
| 17:15.24 | Beladona | hate to cause a disruption |
| 17:15.29 | Tain | Go Beladona! |
| 17:15.30 | Beladona | but the very fact that you are using a distro |
| 17:15.34 | Beladona | means it isn't "base" |
| 17:15.39 | krka | sucks that ubuntu can't use the live-cd as an install-cd |
| 17:15.39 | krka | :/ |
| 17:15.39 | id` | please do |
| 17:15.39 | digix_ | i think gentoo is as flexible, if not more-so, than debian |
| 17:15.41 | krka | that's really what rocks about mepis |
| 17:15.47 | Tain | Third base. |
| 17:15.51 | lon | Tain: indeed. |
| 17:16.02 | krka | is this just my prejudice or doesn't gentoo almost force you to compile everything? |
| 17:16.05 | id` | Beladona: that i use it means that i use what i want. not what someone else decided that was good for "joe" to have |
| 17:16.15 | Beladona | I like how gentoo makes you compile |
| 17:16.21 | id` | me too |
| 17:16.21 | Beladona | it just sucks when you don't get it right |
| 17:16.34 | digix | well, gentoo is more focused on performance, so compiling everything is necessary |
| 17:16.38 | Tain | Mostly, krka. You technically can get precomiled binaries but Gentoo was created with compiling in mind. |
| 17:16.53 | krka | I want a system where I first download the binary and use that, and then download the source and compile in the background and exchange when it's done |
| 17:16.55 | digix | its a highly customizable distro for whatever system you put it on |
| 17:16.57 | krka | totally transparent |
| 17:17.00 | krka | that would be awesome |
| 17:17.34 | digix | heh, a transparent compile in the background for the entire system would take weeks |
| 17:17.40 | krka | yes, so? |
| 17:17.58 | krka | those are weeks you can spend doing stuff too :P |
| 17:18.06 | Tain | I run Gentoo, but there are the occasional annoyances. For example I did a wipe of kde to install the newer meta-kde packages. It took about 18 hours to compile (and not the entire kde set of packages.) |
| 17:18.14 | digix | meh, get it all done in a day with gentoo and have full performance benefits from the specific compile |
| 17:18.29 | krka | so spend one day without using your computer basically? |
| 17:18.34 | krka | that's what I don't really like about gentoo |
| 17:18.44 | Tain | Gentoo isn't for everyone, absolutely. |
| 17:18.49 | krka | or the gentoo-philosophy to be exact |
| 17:18.54 | Tain | It's not the end-all be all by any means. |
| 17:19.06 | lon | digix: an interesting tidbit - from things I've read, you'll die of old age before a system-specific recompile performance gain actually saves you cpu cycles ;) |
| 17:19.10 | digix | no, of course it isnt |
| 17:19.14 | krka | it think my logical extension of gentoo should be the next step |
| 17:19.18 | id` | well sonce none of you actually even looked at archlinux why dont you ;) |
| 17:19.58 | digix | i beg to differ, lon |
| 17:19.58 | Tain | It's the Gentoo evangelists (any evangelists of course) that annoy me. |
| 17:19.58 | Tain | It depends entirely on the system, lon. |
| 17:20.17 | krka | recompiling kde and x may boost performance, recompiling xchat may not :P |
| 17:20.20 | Tain | But I for one don't run Gentoo because of the purported performance. I just like the idea of a more granular level of control over how things install. |
| 17:20.25 | krka | can you choose which packages to compile? |
| 17:20.28 | digix | i am by no means an evangelist of gentoo (or anything), but it definitely has advantages over most other distros for what i use it for |
| 17:20.34 | Beladona | I would prefer it if Arch had a live cd I could mess with |
| 17:20.46 | Tain | On the other hand I'd rather switch back to FreeBSD. |
| 17:20.53 | id` | basically arch is what you make it |
| 17:21.09 | lon | The performance gain typically results from not linking in certain things, though, not from code-level optimization. |
| 17:21.16 | Tain | Archlinux... sounds like a bad comic book villain. |
| 17:21.38 | id` | ofcource it comes with what gnme and kde etc. but there are newer version anyway so youll download them anyway IF you want to |
| 17:21.38 | Beladona | you can say that about a lot of distros id |
| 17:21.38 | Beladona | especially gentoo |
| 17:21.38 | Tain | Namely, all distros. |
| 17:21.50 | id` | arch is a bit like gento but only in that it has binary packages |
| 17:21.51 | lon | e.g. GCC is going to optimize for i686 the same way it optimizes for i686. If you, however, no longer link against a resource-hogging library, your application will run faster. |
| 17:21.59 | digix | lon: ive seen a video encode shaved by a few hours because of a recompile with the proper cpu flags |
| 17:22.13 | id` | and it has only i686 packages btw |
| 17:22.43 | lon | digix: what was the original system, and what was the target system? |
| 17:22.51 | id` | its really easy to make a package yourself though |
| 17:23.07 | lon | I mean, if you compile for a 486 and run it on a 686, it's not going to be as good vs. building on a 686 from the get-go. |
| 17:24.04 | digix | it was a vanilla i686 compile originally, then recompiled with specific pentium 4 flags to take advantage of the media pipelines |
| 17:24.15 | Beladona | I keep looking at arch, and I have to be honest |
| 17:24.25 | Beladona | it isn't compelling |
| 17:24.37 | Beladona | at least to me |
| 17:24.51 | id` | :) |
| 17:25.41 | lon | digix: Fair enough, then. So, the distribution provider should buy a P4 and offer a P4-specific optimized compile if they're worried about saving CPU cycles. |
| 17:26.11 | lon | You shouldn't be forced to do the rebuild (of course, it should be your option if you so choose ;) ) |
| 17:26.19 | Tain | You aren't forced. |
| 17:26.27 | digix | no, you arent forced at all |
| 17:26.42 | digix | if you dont like the compiling, then dont use gentoo |
| 17:26.54 | lon | Right, but if they built it on a similar system, rebuilding it ought not have much of performance impact, right? |
| 17:26.59 | digix | there are 5489723498 other distros out there :P |
| 17:27.33 | lon | Ok, I'll stop trolling ;) |
| 17:27.36 | Tain | lon, the idea is you use Gentoo if you WANT that control. |
| 17:27.39 | digix | well, there are specific hardware compenents unique to every users machine that you compile for |
| 17:27.46 | id` | lon: :P |
| 17:27.49 | lon | Tain: I know, I was just poking people's nerves. |
| 17:27.53 | digix | exactly Tain |
| 17:28.02 | digix | and yes, ill stop now too :P |
| 17:28.16 | lon | Remember that Mandrake was originally an optimized Red Hat Linux build, right? |
| 17:28.23 | Tain | Nope. |
| 17:28.24 | digix | XD |
| 17:28.32 | digix | that was before it became the windows of linux |
| 17:28.35 | lon | built optimized for P5 |
| 17:28.36 | Beladona | what do you use lon |
| 17:28.47 | Tain | It was a modified Redhat build. |
| 17:28.50 | lon | Beladona: Fedora Core, right now. It's not without its fair share of problems. |
| 17:29.04 | lon | and ... it was probably faster, but I don't remember :) |
| 17:29.14 | lon | that was a long time ago |
| 17:31.18 | lon | so.... here's the real question -- how many of you are using Wine to run World of Warcrack? |
| 17:31.22 | lon | ;) |
| 17:31.31 | digix | heh |
| 17:31.40 | Tain | It's being done. |
| 17:31.44 | digix | i tried, but couldnt get to it working |
| 17:31.47 | Tain | My linux system isn't powerful enough. |
| 17:32.02 | id` | my system isnt powerful enough |
| 17:32.05 | id` | :P |
| 17:32.05 | lon | Tain: I'm pretty sure Transgaming has it working. |
| 17:32.10 | Codayus | I got it sorta working, but performance wasn't particularly good. |
| 17:32.12 | id` | on windows i have 10 fps |
| 17:32.23 | digix | cedega seems to crap out for me too..... -_- |
| 17:32.24 | Tain | Yeah Transgaming does. |
| 17:32.24 | id` | i close any apps i have running |
| 17:32.29 | lon | but I haven't tried it -- I have an x86_64 laptop running a 64-bit os... so I'm scared ;) |
| 17:32.31 | id` | and i have 20MB ram left |
| 17:32.38 | Codayus | And yeah, using cedega/transgaming. |
| 17:32.57 | Beladona | I am planning to do it on wine |
| 17:33.05 | Beladona | if I can get a distro loaded first |
| 17:33.13 | digix | Codayus: do you have/seen the minimap bug? |
| 17:33.17 | Codayus | Nope |
| 17:33.29 | digix | hmmm, good, glad they fixed that |
| 17:33.31 | Beladona | there is supposed to be a fix for it |
| 17:33.35 | Tain | I'm at 90% mem utilization in Windows while playing WoW. :( |
| 17:33.53 | digix | same here |
| 17:34.01 | lon | I have 1GB in my notebook, and it's still bad sometimes. :( |
| 17:34.25 | lon | I haven't check mem utilization |
| 17:34.34 | lon | actually |
| 17:34.50 | Tain | It's almost all memory and GPU. CPU utilization is tiny while playing. |
| 17:35.02 | lon | this is going to sound funny, but I don't know how to do that anyway in windowxp. It's the first installation of Windows I've had in like 4 years. |
| 17:35.14 | digix | rofl |
| 17:35.17 | lon | I forgot all my windows-fu once I graduated college. |
| 17:35.38 | Tain | I just display it on my LCD. :) |
| 17:35.46 | Beladona | you want the task manager I believe |
| 17:35.54 | Beladona | right click the start bar, task manager |
| 17:36.03 | lon | 'k. ;) |
| 17:36.10 | Beladona | processes to see wow.exe usage |
| 17:36.12 | digix | or you can get the logitech G15 :D |
| 17:36.16 | Beladona | haha |
| 17:36.42 | Tain | Best $70 I ever spent on a keyboard. Even though you can get them for under $50 already. |
| 17:36.54 | digix | i really need to get back into c++ and start poking around with their sdk |
| 17:36.59 | lon | I have a Happy Hacking Lite 2 keyboard ;) |
| 17:37.04 | lon | it's like the size of my hand. |
| 17:37.05 | Beladona | that will be my birthday present |
| 17:37.07 | Beladona | to myself |
| 17:37.11 | Tain | the sdk is ugly. |
| 17:37.12 | digix | lol, nice lon |
| 17:37.13 | Tain | Ug. |
| 17:37.45 | lon | woot! my motorcycle cover came in. |
| 17:37.53 | Codayus | I prefer my IBM Model M. :-) |
| 17:37.55 | krka | I played wow under cedega when I played |
| 17:38.13 | Tain | I use LCD Studio with it, which uses a wee bit more memory than I'd like, but it's fantastic for displaying things on the LCD. |
| 17:38.22 | krka | performance was better than in windows |
| 17:38.24 | Beladona | I need a) to play wow, and b) to have remote desktop capability |
| 17:38.33 | Beladona | to windows systems |
| 17:38.35 | Tain | Play WoW remotely? |
| 17:38.40 | Beladona | no lol |
| 17:38.43 | Beladona | you cant do that |
| 17:38.49 | MatryxWrk | I tried |
| 17:38.52 | MatryxWrk | you can |
| 17:38.54 | MatryxWrk | well |
| 17:38.56 | krka | I played Doom3 remotely once |
| 17:38.56 | MatryxWrk | if you count 0.1fps |
| 17:38.57 | Beladona | rdp doesn't allow directx |
| 17:38.58 | krka | it sucked :( |
| 17:39.07 | MatryxWrk | bel: use a software rendered emulation thingy |
| 17:39.14 | Beladona | yeah, no thanks |
| 17:39.23 | lon | I tried to play quake using xquake over a 10mbit LAN. it was like 3fps. |
| 17:39.23 | MatryxWrk | that's the conclusion I came to after trying |
| 17:39.34 | lon | e.g. setting remote display... it was bad ;) |
| 17:39.41 | krka | since I only have 100kb/s upstream, letting my computer run doom3 and stream data worked really crappy |
| 17:49.13 | MoonWolf | someone should port zork to mobile phones. |
| 17:50.51 | lon | MoonWolf: http://www.latz.org/infocom/index.shtml <-- Related - maybe a Java-enabled phone can run it? |
| 17:51.12 | lon | specifically ZPlet. |
| 17:51.21 | MatryxWrk | zork |
| 17:51.24 | MatryxWrk | as in the adventure game? |
| 17:51.32 | MoonWolf | it would need adapting to the phone screen size. |
| 17:51.37 | MoonWolf | yes as in Text adventure game. |
| 17:51.40 | MatryxWrk | not necessarily. I have a simpler solution |
| 17:51.44 | MatryxWrk | you need: |
| 17:52.01 | MatryxWrk | The original game Zork - on any machine that will play it |
| 17:52.03 | MatryxWrk | 2 people |
| 17:52.05 | MatryxWrk | 2 phones |
| 17:52.13 | MatryxWrk | a common language between the people |
| 17:52.18 | MatryxWrk | ^_^ |
| 17:52.21 | lon | I have a *really* simple solution. Get a hammer and beat yourself in the head with it. It's less painful, and more fun! :) |
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| 17:54.09 | MoonWolf | but i want to play it on my phone wihout other people |
| 17:54.19 | MatryxWrk | hmm |
| 17:54.21 | lon | I can't imagine using 9 digits to type input to a text adventure game... |
| 17:54.22 | MatryxWrk | text to speech engine? |
| 17:54.27 | Tain | Yeah other people suck |
| 17:54.28 | MoonWolf | lon, you have not played zork back in the old day's have you. |
| 17:54.28 | Cairenn | I have the easiest solution of all ... why not use an operating system that has a dedicated team working on it and they can agree on one release (Mac, Win), instead of having multiple multiple various "distros" and stuff because no two people can agree so the support for it is insane |
| 17:54.28 | Cairenn | /me ducks and runs |
| 17:54.54 | MoonWolf | are you dissing linux ? |
| 17:54.57 | lon | MoonWolf: I played, I think, Zork 1 and Zork 3 back on an apple 2, but I never got too far, and was too young to appreciate them. |
| 17:55.10 | Tain | Have you ever tried getting support from Microsoft for Windows, Cair? ;) |
| 17:55.10 | MatryxWrk | MoonWolf |
| 17:55.11 | MatryxWrk | http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:wFUOz4aCLUgJ:www.bioeddie.co.uk/main/emulators.htm+symbian+os+zork&hl=en |
| 17:55.31 | MatryxWrk | scroll down to where Zork is hilighted |
| 17:55.52 | MoonWolf | oooh |
| 17:55.52 | MoonWolf | nice |
| 17:56.07 | MatryxWrk | not knowing which phone you have is kinda hard to find a solution |
| 17:56.13 | MatryxWrk | but if nokia communicator is good enough ;) |
| 17:56.35 | Cairenn | redhat, archlinux, ubuntu, wine, cediga, transgaming, fedora, mandrake, gentoo ............... |
| 17:56.55 | Cairenn | I mean, hello, they can't even agree on which way it should be going, sheesh |
| 17:57.07 | Tain | And that's the beauty of it. :D |
| 17:57.14 | Cairenn | nightmare you mean |
| 17:57.31 | MoonWolf | that is the brilliance Cairenn instead of going one way , We go ALL of the way's |
| 17:57.46 | Cairenn | Tain: oh, and for the record, yes I have, had no problems whatsoever with the support, it was great |
| 17:57.52 | MatryxWrk | ever seen a person try to walk in more than one direction at once? |
| 17:58.40 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 17:58.40 | MoonWolf | nope, but i have seen a group of people splitting in two or three or four or etc. |
| 17:59.08 | Tain | Maybe MS outsources their support to non-incompetant people in Canada. You're lucky. |
| 17:59.44 | Beladona | actually there is only one linux core |
| 17:59.51 | lon | Cairenn: Ugh, we cleaned the house yesterday. I hate doing that. Please, troll on - I think we mostly can agree that trolling is way more fun than cleaning :) |
| 17:59.53 | Beladona | the difference between teh distros is presentation |
| 18:00.17 | Beladona | you could actually build your own distro if you wanted |
| 18:00.50 | Tain | There can be only one. |
| 18:00.57 | lon | Beladona: not always, cite: a few distributions using NGTL in some of their releases, where the rest of the community / distros used NPTL |
| 18:01.06 | digix | the main difference i see in most distros is the package management system |
| 18:01.16 | Beladona | lon, that is few |
| 18:01.16 | lon | but |
| 18:01.19 | lon | that's not the norm |
| 18:01.20 | digix | one of the things that drew me to gentoo |
| 18:01.25 | lon | Beladona: most of the time, you're right =) |
| 18:01.36 | Cairenn | okay, antagonist aside, I do sit here as a "slightly more knowledgeable than your average joe six-pack end user, but not a complete geek like most of you" user and go ... "riiiiiggggghhhhtttt, and as a basic user I'm going to try to figure Linux out, why?" |
| 18:01.41 | lon | e.g. Oracle 10g runs on many current Linux distributions. |
| 18:02.04 | Cairenn | it's waaaaay too confusing for most people |
| 18:02.09 | Beladona | the biggest draw to linux is the aspect of the GNU and free software rights |
| 18:02.22 | Beladona | there are a lot of ditros now that are easy enough for anyone to get |
| 18:02.36 | Cairenn | I mean, look at the listing of "distros" that has been tossed around in this channel and any wonder why the masses don't use Linux? |
| 18:02.42 | Tain | Making toast is too confusing for some people. |
| 18:02.43 | Cairenn | how is anyone supposed to know what to get |
| 18:02.49 | Beladona | by asking |
| 18:02.59 | Cairenn | Beladona: asking who? |
| 18:02.59 | digix | research |
| 18:03.08 | Beladona | lol |
| 18:03.12 | digix | thats what the big intertron is for |
| 18:03.18 | Beladona | if you don't know who to ask, then you should probably stick to windows |
| 18:03.30 | MoonWolf | Cairenn, look at the huge amounts of dvd players out there, how is anyone going to be using dvd players when you cant even decide wich dvd player to get. |
| 18:03.30 | digix | yup |
| 18:03.30 | Cairenn | you're missing my point though |
| 18:03.38 | Beladona | I know your point |
| 18:03.58 | Beladona | Linux wasn't originally designed with end-stupid-users in mind |
| 18:04.02 | Cairenn | within this channel, how many different opinions are there on which distro is the best? |
| 18:04.11 | MoonWolf | lots |
| 18:04.14 | digix | 37 |
| 18:04.19 | Cairenn | heh |
| 18:04.23 | Beladona | it is the same as if we were discussing soft drinks |
| 18:04.29 | MoonWolf | or dvd player brands. |
| 18:04.31 | Beladona | lots of different kinds |
| 18:04.38 | digix | ooooo, dr pepper all the way!! |
| 18:04.42 | Beladona | doens't mean any is less valid |
| 18:04.46 | krka | yes, at this point you probably should only get linux if you're either a geek or recommended some linux distro by a friendly geek |
| 18:04.55 | Beladona | that is what makes linux so nice though, you can have coke |
| 18:05.00 | Beladona | or you can have rum and coke |
| 18:05.09 | krka | I think debian and its forks are generally best |
| 18:05.18 | digix | or a hawaiian screw! |
| 18:05.22 | Beladona | haha |
| 18:05.33 | Cairenn | btw, I"m *not* dissing Linux, nor am I actually trying to start an *argument*, I'm trying to make for debate and discussion |
| 18:05.39 | digix | those are awesome with the right vodka |
| 18:05.52 | MoonWolf | or you can have cola and pepsi and rum and alternate between drinks. |
| 18:05.59 | krka | i could go for a screw in hawaii |
| 18:06.08 | digix | :) |
| 18:06.25 | krka | interesting that people tend to see the diversion in linux as a drawback though |
| 18:06.32 | Beladona | ms, and apple, by marketing and closed development are targetting the people who don't want to or can't figure out how to put together their own system and software |
| 18:06.55 | Beladona | which unfortunately has the added downside of perpetuating that mentality |
| 18:07.18 | krka | if I'm not mistaken, there are a few professional distros aimed at n00bs and companies |
| 18:07.20 | krka | red hat and mandriva are the biggest I think |
| 18:07.22 | krka | suse is big too |
| 18:07.36 | digix | yep.... |
| 18:07.49 | Beladona | Suse, and Mandriva are perfect examples of free, almost stupid proof installs |
| 18:07.53 | MoonWolf | i like suse |
| 18:08.09 | heffe | Beladona message from asia :P |
| 18:08.11 | heffe | <Asia> next time beladona says anything |
| 18:08.12 | heffe | <Asia> please tell him/her that the source is free, get on it :) |
| 18:08.13 | Cairenn | yet right there, you just made three different suggestions ... how am I, stupid end user, supposed to know what to get |
| 18:08.22 | Tain | Lindows. Or whatever they're calling it now. |
| 18:08.27 | lon | Tain: linspire |
| 18:08.31 | digix | the enterprise and "release" distros are much like a carefully balanced economy however..... screw one thing up and the whole thing crashes on you |
| 18:08.55 | Beladona | heffe: my only problem with that is taking someone elses source, modifying / rewriting it, and re-releasing it is sometimes seen as a rip |
| 18:09.04 | lon | Linspire has a great story for end-users -- the C-n-R warehouse is a cool idea. |
| 18:09.06 | Beladona | would rather give them the option of doing it |
| 18:09.09 | Beladona | and then if not, fine |
| 18:09.34 | Beladona | see this is why you should not paste chat into other channels out of context |
| 18:09.42 | Beladona | people make assumptions |
| 18:10.11 | krka | well cairenn, how do you choose between apple or microsoft or sun or ibm or whatever? |
| 18:10.28 | Cairenn | copy-paste from other channels without known context is a bad plan |
| 18:10.30 | krka | it's just that you are so unused to choices for this particular thing |
| 18:10.41 | krka | for everything else you are comfortable with choices |
| 18:10.47 | MoonWolf | you don't you get microsoft and perhaps when you really want to you switch to mac. |
| 18:11.26 | Tain | It's not only a bad plan, it's rather rude in my opinion. |
| 18:11.40 | Beladona | now the nurfed people think I am dissing them |
| 18:11.47 | Beladona | which in turn makes them upset with me |
| 18:11.56 | Beladona | no matter how you candy coat it |
| 18:11.59 | digix | krka: thats one of the points of the discussion i think, the fact that most end-users just dont know that they do have a choice, but that choice requires research and learing of their own |
| 18:12.14 | krka | yes |
| 18:12.39 | lon | I suspect that habits cause learning curve problems. I.e. a person who has never used a computer will probably do just as well using GNOME/KDE/CDE/Windows/etc., but old habits die hard. |
| 18:12.40 | krka | same thing with everything though... choosing clothes, mp3-players, cars, food, restaurants... etc |
| 18:12.55 | Beladona | that is one of the reasons I completely support apples decision to move to the xb6 architecture |
| 18:12.57 | krka | how do I know if I want to get a volvo or a saab or a ford or a mercedes or a honda or a ....? |
| 18:13.02 | Beladona | it will give people more of a choice over ms |
| 18:13.11 | krka | you read reviews and compare prices and stuff, same as with everything |
| 18:13.14 | lon | For example, I said I don't know how to find free RAM in Windows XP -- because I've never learned how, and it's significantly different from "ps auwwx" |
| 18:13.17 | Beladona | and hopefully make them aware that it isn't the only choice |
| 18:13.18 | lon | or "free" |
| 18:13.20 | lon | etc... |
| 18:13.54 | Beladona | next is the issue of software not being ported to other OS' |
| 18:14.05 | Beladona | I still think WOW needs a linux port |
| 18:14.17 | krka | that's not an issue |
| 18:14.18 | krka | the problem is closed protocols and formats |
| 18:14.24 | Beladona | right |
| 18:14.29 | digix | Well, now that it seems that we have reached the conclusion that the end-user is the issue, then I motion to form a coalition |
| 18:14.36 | lon | well, compare Blizzard to id Software. |
| 18:15.09 | digix | and yes, WoW needs a linux port |
| 18:15.15 | lon | id Software writes their stuff inherently platform-independent, so does Epic - (Unreal Tournament) |
| 18:15.20 | krka | blizzard is just lazy, if they can maintain a windows and a mac-client, it wouldn't be much work at all to make *nix-client |
| 18:15.21 | lon | Blizzard doesn't. |
| 18:15.23 | Tain | Money money money |
| 18:15.27 | digix | supposedly, the GM's run linux clients, but that was just rumor methinks |
| 18:15.42 | Cairenn | heffe: server and channel name for the nurfed channel, please? |
| 18:15.44 | lon | digix: I would bet it's based on someone's wishful thinking... |
| 18:15.44 | krka | don't they? isn't mac and windows basically the same code? |
| 18:16.12 | digix | well, there was also the talk of the linux client from beta (ie. development for the GM client) |
| 18:16.26 | digix | krka: ummm, no |
| 18:16.42 | MoonWolf | mac and linux are a lot closer then windows mac. |
| 18:16.45 | digix | OSX is based heavily upon the BSD kernel |
| 18:16.46 | krka | so they have been writing two game engines? O_o |
| 18:17.24 | krka | hmm... isn't there a wine that does MacOSX btw? |
| 18:17.29 | krka | that should be better than using cedega |
| 18:17.31 | MoonWolf | no, you create platform independant code and you then write a client for different platforms |
| 18:18.22 | digix | krka: not sure about that OSX wine.... but its worth looking into methinks |
| 18:18.25 | Tain | Yes, but platform independant code won't be as optimized, which sometimes is an issue. |
| 18:18.38 | digix | since the codebase is so similar to OSX in most linux systems, then it shouldnt be hard at all to have a lean emulator |
| 18:18.47 | Tain | I don't know about in WoW. I think it's more GPU than anything. |
| 18:19.46 | krka | tain, that's not really a problem, you just write platform dependant code for the stuff that needs to be optimized |
| 18:20.06 | krka | I am actually doing a project atm where I am coding for 10+ platforms |
| 18:20.47 | krka | hmm, i forgot that OSX isn't running x86 :/ |
| 18:20.51 | krka | cedega would be better then |
| 18:21.03 | Tain | Yeah, but for something like an mmorpg the things that really need to be optimized might be a lot more than not. |
| 18:21.22 | Tain | People are always complaining about performance, you really do need to do the best you can to make things work across lesser hardware. |
| 18:21.42 | Tain | Obviously I don't kow specifics about the WoW client, but it is one of the reasons that were given in other games in the past. |
| 18:22.06 | krka | you code in layers, and separate the system close stuff from the rest |
| 18:22.12 | MoonWolf | wow is one of the primary reasons i still have a windows install |
| 18:22.20 | krka | the system stuff is hopefully much smaller than the rest |
| 18:22.29 | krka | and only the system stuff needs to be separately optimized |
| 18:22.29 | Tain | Plus it's still a matter of money. It costs more for them to develop platform independant code than to code for specific known things. |
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| 18:23.19 | digix | WoW is the ONLY reason i have a windows install atm |
| 18:23.19 | Tain | The return on investment of the amount of paying customers who will buy alternate OS versions isn't there yet. |
| 18:24.07 | digix | actually, i take that back.... WoW and BF2 |
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| 18:24.08 | digix | the only thing i use widows for is gaming.... heh |
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| 18:24.42 | krka | i think blizzard would gain from making a *nix-version |
| 18:24.55 | krka | mostly from good will from geeks |
| 18:25.04 | MatryxWrk | I think they see the trouble they'd have in the support areas outweighs the benefit |
| 18:25.06 | krka | that's something they haven't really been careful about |
| 18:25.10 | Tain | Good will doesn't pay coders. |
| 18:25.10 | MoonWolf | i would put down 30 to 40 euros for a linux client again. |
| 18:25.25 | MatryxWrk | Good will doesn't necessarily have to pay coders |
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| 18:25.37 | MatryxWrk | you know there are people who would happily work on one for free given half a chance |
| 18:25.48 | krka | yeah |
| 18:25.55 | MoonWolf | I WILL PAY FOR IT |
| 18:25.55 | krka | i for one :) |
| 18:26.11 | Legorol | sounds interesting |
| 18:26.20 | krka | i for one welcome or new wow linux porting overlords |
| 18:26.47 | Legorol | WoW? Linux? port? |
| 18:26.47 | Tain | I'd love to see Linux (and anything else) versions of anything. It won't happen until the company accountants decide it's worth the invenstment though. |
| 18:26.55 | Legorol | am i hearing things wrong? |
| 18:26.59 | krka | we're discussing the lack of it |
| 18:27.14 | Legorol | right |
| 18:27.16 | krka | i wonder why Id does it |
| 18:27.29 | Legorol | i think Blizz has enough customers as it is.. |
| 18:27.29 | krka | are they stupid? or better coders? or nicer people? |
| 18:27.33 | Tain | Id was run by geeks originally, not accountants. |
| 18:27.37 | krka | or are they actually getting money from it? |
| 18:27.39 | Legorol | given the success of WoW, even linux peeps are happy to boot Windows to play it |
| 18:27.42 | Legorol | or run cedega |
| 18:27.49 | Legorol | as long as that's the case, Blizz won't bother with a port |
| 18:27.49 | krka | not all linux peeps are |
| 18:28.05 | krka | close down all my apps and reboot twice just to play WoW? |
| 18:28.07 | Tain | Yeah, I don't know if people are happy to boot Windows, they do it out of necessity. |
| 18:28.13 | Legorol | krka: hell yeah! |
| 18:28.15 | digix | i know some that have gone out and bought an Apple G5 to play instead of installing windows |
| 18:28.33 | krka | i may go as far as pirate cedega but that's it |
| 18:28.34 | Legorol | my point is, as long as people do do it anyway, Blizz has no incentive to bother |
| 18:28.46 | krka | except good will basically |
| 18:29.07 | krka | would be cool to arrange a protest though |
| 18:29.17 | digix | indeed, they could make a linux port instead of turning the other cheek to the majority |
| 18:29.28 | digix | err, majority of geeks |
| 18:29.31 | krka | like: if you don't make a linux port, N amount of players won't renew for a month |
| 18:29.47 | krka | if a lot of people went on a sympathy strike, that might work :P |
| 18:30.12 | digix | i dont think we could go without WoW long enough to make the strike effective though :P |
| 18:30.18 | krka | that loss of income for a month times the number of people may be more than the cost of developing it |
| 18:30.29 | krka | i could! |
| 18:30.55 | Beladona | I heard a pretty bad rumor that they were looking at the viability of porting to playstation and xbox |
| 18:31.15 | Beladona | it was in an EBgames, so I am not sure how true it is |
| 18:31.28 | Beladona | but if they can do that, surely they can do linux |
| 18:31.58 | digix | that was false |
| 18:32.06 | Beladona | yeah I figured |
| 18:32.12 | Beladona | I stopped short of saying something |
| 18:32.21 | Beladona | to the eb guy I mean |
| 18:32.22 | digix | supposedly, it was gonna be on the 360, but that was nixed cuz of the high dependence on the mouse |
| 18:32.28 | krka | lays are a pretty big chips company in usa, right? |
| 18:32.43 | digix | yes krka |
| 18:33.03 | krka | anyone know the story behind "heinz tomato ketchup" flavour? |
| 18:33.06 | krka | worst idea ever |
| 18:33.10 | Tain | Xbox is a MS os alreadey |
| 18:33.31 | krka | would still be a bigger port than linux |
| 18:33.38 | krka | would have to redesign input |
| 18:33.39 | Tain | No it wouldn't. |
| 18:33.46 | digix | lol krka. and Tain, the Xbox OS is actually a linux variant |
| 18:33.54 | Tain | That's why there are so many game developers on the Xbox. |
| 18:33.59 | Tain | It's easy to port between PC and Xbox. |
| 18:34.10 | krka | wow is keyboard and mouse dependent |
| 18:34.11 | Tain | The Xbox OS is not a linux variant. Where on Earth did you hear that? |
| 18:34.27 | digix | from people that develop software for it.... |
| 18:34.32 | Tain | Uh huh. |
| 18:34.42 | digix | xbox-scene.com |
| 18:35.15 | digix | its a heavily locked down MS version, but yes, the Xbox OS is based upon linux |
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| 18:35.28 | Beladona | the XBOX os is a windows 2000 variant |
| 18:35.32 | Beladona | not linux |
| 18:35.58 | Tain | It's based on Linux as much as Windows 2000 is based on Linux. |
| 18:36.15 | digix | -_- |
| 18:36.21 | Beladona | the Xbox 360 is a further development of the xbox os |
| 18:36.28 | Natasem | no XBox is based on Lindows |
| 18:36.34 | Tain | Oi! |
| 18:36.34 | Beladona | which makes it a variant of the variant |
| 18:37.52 | Tain | The 360 OS is bound to be different because of the hardware platform change, but I haven't followed it much. I remember reading early on that they were going to do almost a full rewrite of the OS. |
| 18:37.55 | Tain | But that was like 2 years ago. |
| 18:39.14 | Beladona | they did |
| 18:39.21 | Beladona | it is still based in the same core that made the xbos |
| 18:39.23 | Beladona | xbox |
| 18:39.36 | Beladona | it is just ported and changed drastically for the new architecture |
| 18:40.18 | Gryphen | http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS3988467635.html |
| 18:40.29 | krka | if it was based on linux, then MS would have to release the source to all the buyers |
| 18:40.59 | Beladona | they also needed to make it work with their media center os |
| 18:41.24 | Beladona | much easier to do that with a window api |
| 18:41.25 | Beladona | windows |
| 18:45.30 | Beladona | bbs, gotta reboot |
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| 18:48.39 | Cairenn | wb |
| 18:48.48 | Beladona | ~wave |
| 18:48.49 | purl | it has been said that wave is no |
| 18:48.53 | Beladona | uhh |
| 18:49.00 | MatryxWrk | er |
| 18:49.05 | Cairenn | huh? |
| 18:49.09 | Cairenn | lol |
| 18:49.09 | Beladona | someone has been screwing with purl |
| 18:49.16 | MatryxWrk | purl forget ~wave |
| 18:49.16 | purl | MatryxWrk: i didn't have anything called '~wave' to forget |
| 18:49.16 | Cairenn | lucky purl ;) |
| 18:49.21 | MatryxWrk | purl forget wave |
| 18:49.22 | purl | MatryxWrk: i forgot wave |
| 18:49.25 | MatryxWrk | ~wave |
| 18:49.27 | MatryxWrk | better |
| 18:49.55 | Beladona | purl, wave is <action> waves to everyone |
| 18:49.57 | purl | Bye, is <action> waves to everyone |
| 18:50.12 | MatryxWrk | O_o |
| 18:50.14 | Beladona | ok |
| 18:50.18 | Beladona | ~bye |
| 18:50.19 | purl | cya |
| 18:50.22 | Beladona | haha |
| 18:50.27 | MatryxWrk | ~Bye |
| 18:50.29 | purl | bye bye |
| 18:50.35 | Beladona | ~hello |
| 18:50.36 | purl | Howdy Bub |
| 18:50.51 | Cairenn | *blink* |
| 18:50.59 | *** join/#wowi-lounge MentalPower (n=void@host-70-45-80-48.onelinkpr.net) |
| 18:51.02 | Beladona | I don't remember half this stuff being set this way |
| 18:51.12 | Beladona | its like his db has been reloaded |
| 18:51.19 | Cairenn | ~cairenn |
| 18:51.20 | purl | somebody said cairenn was one of the administrators of WoWInterface.com, also EQInterface, EQ2Interface and VGInterface |
| 18:51.20 | Beladona | or someone has been resettings stuff |
| 18:51.27 | MatryxWrk | ~matryx |
| 18:51.28 | Cairenn | ~emulate Cairenn |
| 18:51.30 | purl | ACTION purrs |
| 18:51.36 | MoonWolf | ~emulate me |
| 18:51.38 | purl | ACTION Howls to the moon |
| 18:51.38 | Beladona | !beladona |
| 18:51.38 | Cairenn | okay, not completely reset |
| 18:51.38 | Beladona | oops |
| 18:51.44 | MoonWolf | its been reset. |
| 18:51.46 | Beladona | ~beladona |
| 18:51.47 | purl | one of the moderators at WoWI, owner/creator of wdn.wowinterface.com and all around cool guy |
| 18:51.48 | MoonWolf | to some point |
| 18:51.53 | lon | purl: bark at the moon, whippersnapper. |
| 18:51.54 | MoonWolf | ~emulate zeeg |
| 18:51.56 | purl | the only way you could make me like any of you is with $ |
| 18:52.05 | Beladona | haha |
| 18:52.10 | MoonWolf | that one still works :D |
| 18:52.44 | Beladona | ~factinfo emulate zeeg |
| 18:52.44 | purl | emulate zeeg -- last modified at Sun Dec 11 19:34:04 2005 by Tekkub!n=tekkub@ip70-178-90-156.ma.dl.cox.net; it has been requested 3 times, last by MoonWolf, 48s ago. |
| 18:52.54 | Beladona | mmm |
| 18:53.17 | MoonWolf | I made it but tekkub edited it so it doesnt show my name. |
| 18:53.20 | MoonWolf | i case it would piss of zeeg |
| 18:53.27 | MoonWolf | but zeeg isnt here so. |
| 18:53.42 | Cairenn | really though, that isn't nice :p |
| 18:53.56 | MoonWolf | hey, its a direct qoute and i have logs to prove it. |
| 18:54.02 | Cairenn | even if it is a direct ... LOL |
| 18:54.08 | MatryxWrk | mmm lack of context > * |
| 18:54.13 | Tain | Speaking of direct quotes. |
| 18:54.17 | Tain | ~saien |
| 18:54.22 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Lozareth (n=kuroi_ka@ppp-69-221-226-13.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) |
| 18:54.25 | Cairenn | I was there when he said that |
| 18:54.27 | Cairenn | hey Loz! |
| 18:54.40 | Tain | Oops I always forget that. |
| 18:54.43 | Lozareth | heya |
| 18:54.44 | Tain | ~emulate saien |
| 18:54.45 | purl | I could have helped you, but I won't. |
| 18:55.06 | Natasem | ~emulate Tain |
| 18:55.08 | purl | Why the hell am I still sober? |
| 18:55.13 | lon | heh |
| 18:55.26 | Beladona | ~emulate Beladona |
| 18:55.28 | purl | ACTION wants a cookie |
| 18:55.28 | Tain | It's the middle of the day, purl! |
| 18:55.31 | Tain | You know I can't do that. |
| 18:55.33 | Beladona | haha |
| 18:55.49 | Beladona | thought there was another one |
| 18:55.53 | Beladona | ~emulate Beladona |
| 18:55.54 | purl | my head hurts from looking at code all day |
| 18:55.54 | MoonWolf | ~botsnack |
| 18:55.54 | purl | MoonWolf: :) |
| 18:55.55 | Cairenn | purl, give Beladona a cookie |
| 18:55.57 | purl | ACTION gives Beladona a home-baked lemon cookie to cheer him up. |
| 18:56.02 | Tain | ~8ball Will Beladona get a cookie? |
| 18:56.03 | purl | Sure. Yeah, exactly. |
| 18:56.21 | MoonWolf | Beladona, is a guy ? |
| 18:56.26 | Beladona | I want to play |
| 18:56.27 | lon | guess so |
| 18:56.28 | Cairenn | yup |
| 18:56.28 | Beladona | so bad |
| 18:56.43 | lon | I mean, if purl says it, it must be so. |
| 18:56.44 | Beladona | can't you? |
| 18:56.46 | Cairenn | damnitall, get home hubby! |
| 18:56.48 | MoonWolf | go play then. |
| 18:56.55 | Beladona | oh that kind of play |
| 18:56.56 | Cairenn | see 2nd half ;) |
| 18:57.16 | Tain | purl, when will hubby get home? |
| 18:57.35 | Tain | No comment I guess. |
| 18:58.07 | Beladona | ~8ball When will Cairenn's hubby get home? |
| 18:58.08 | purl | Absolutely. |
| 18:58.11 | Beladona | haha |
| 18:58.14 | Cairenn | lol |
| 18:58.16 | lon | nice |
| 18:58.23 | Cairenn | purl, you're useless :p |
| 18:58.26 | Tain | ~8ball Will we hear a peep out of Cairenn while he's there? |
| 18:58.27 | purl | Please ask again. |
| 18:58.31 | Beladona | sounds like something I would say |
| 18:58.31 | Cairenn | lol |
| 18:58.35 | Lozareth | lol |
| 18:58.53 | Cairenn | Tain: depends on how close to my bedroom you are ;) |
| 18:58.54 | krka | maybe I should stop ignoring purl if you keep using it so much |
| 18:59.06 | Tain | Oooh better relocate the hidden camera |
| 18:59.17 | Cairenn | O.o |
| 18:59.18 | MatryxWrk | krka: he never says anything useful :) |
| 18:59.24 | MatryxWrk | but it might make the conversations less odd |
| 18:59.26 | Cairenn | but he's amusing |
| 18:59.32 | MatryxWrk | yes, that too |
| 18:59.36 | Cairenn | when not over used |
| 18:59.37 | MatryxWrk | who owns purl? |
| 18:59.42 | Cairenn | TimRiker |
| 18:59.47 | lon | purl: who's your daddy? |
| 18:59.49 | purl | YOU are, Mr Sexy Pants! |
| 18:59.53 | lon | er |
| 18:59.54 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 18:59.55 | Lozareth | lol |
| 18:59.58 | MoonWolf | ROFL |
| 19:00.05 | Cairenn | purl: who's your momma? |
| 19:00.08 | lon | I didn't quite expect that. |
| 19:00.16 | Cairenn | bah, dumb purl |
| 19:00.17 | MoonWolf | O RLY? |
| 19:00.19 | lon | Cairenn: you crashed it. |
| 19:00.30 | Cairenn | MoonWolf: do it with a ~ in front of it |
| 19:00.38 | MoonWolf | ~O RLY? |
| 19:00.40 | purl | ACTION slaps moonwolf several times across the face before kidney punching them and pulling out a shotgun to blow their brains out: "Ya rly!" |
| 19:00.40 | Cairenn | and serve you right, too :p |
| 19:00.49 | Cairenn | hah! |
| 19:01.08 | MoonWolf | ~Ya RLY! |
| 19:01.49 | Lozareth | we're sitting in a chat room talking to a bot... |
| 19:01.57 | MatryxWrk | *shrug* |
| 19:02.03 | MatryxWrk | I'm sat at work trying to find distractions |
| 19:02.09 | Cairenn | it happens by times Loz ;) |
| 19:02.17 | lon | I'm just waiting for feedback so I can go home.. |
| 19:02.35 | lon | and call 2005 a year as far as work's concerned ;) |
| 19:02.36 | Cairenn | we've been through Linux distros once already today |
| 19:02.42 | MatryxWrk | Ion: any particular kind of feedback? or will me saying "Very good, carry on" do? |
| 19:02.57 | lon | MatryxWrk: Lon. ion is way too cool to be me. |
| 19:03.20 | krka | i thought you wanted to be more serious :/ |
| 19:03.37 | lon | MatryxWrk: unfortunately, I need to get specific feedback from someone specific -- but thank you for the generous offer. On other days, it might have been enough :) |
| 19:03.43 | MatryxWrk | heh =) |
| 19:03.43 | Lozareth | someone make this stack of invoices go away |
| 19:03.50 | Tain | ~praise lon |
| 19:03.52 | purl | All hail lon! |
| 19:04.00 | MatryxWrk | Loz: I have a shredder just for that exact purpose..... |
| 19:04.15 | lon | MoonWolf: they're high in fiber. |
| 19:04.17 | MoonWolf | nutrients |
| 19:04.21 | Tain | Depends, do you work at Enron? |
| 19:04.26 | Cairenn | LOL |
| 19:04.26 | MoonWolf | hahaah |
| 19:04.39 | Beladona | ! |
| 19:04.43 | Beladona | nice one Tain |
| 19:04.50 | Tain | ~praise me |
| 19:04.51 | purl | All hail tain! |
| 19:04.58 | Lozareth | I'm gonna go stick them in the litter box |
| 19:05.12 | Tain | Just make sure you take the staples out first. |
| 19:05.30 | Cairenn | see? we're all such nice people here, we're willing to help out with all kinds of stuff ... disposing of invoices, procrastinating from house cleaning, distractions from work ... |
| 19:05.47 | Beladona | do you need anyone killed? |
| 19:05.48 | Tain | Yeah, but no one offered to make me lunch so I'm going to find some. |
| 19:05.56 | lon | Beladona: no, but I'll keep you in mind. |
| 19:05.59 | lon | er |
| 19:05.59 | Beladona | not that I would do it for you, but I would offer |
| 19:06.02 | lon | that came out wrong. |
| 19:06.05 | Beladona | =\ |
| 19:06.11 | Cairenn | LOL |
| 19:06.14 | lon | Beladona: no, but I'll keep you in mind should the need arise :) |
| 19:06.21 | Beladona | haha |
| 19:06.36 | MatryxWrk | Tain: if you can get to London Bridge I have a pack of haribo going spare. |
| 19:07.15 | Beladona | so |
| 19:07.21 | Beladona | we get all these cards from coworkers |
| 19:07.24 | Cairenn | a needle pulling thread |
| 19:07.26 | Beladona | usually have candy |
| 19:07.29 | Beladona | or something |
| 19:07.37 | Beladona | then I get this one today |
| 19:07.42 | Beladona | with a candle |
| 19:07.55 | Beladona | a guy with a candle |
| 19:08.01 | Beladona | I was like, ok what do I do with this? |
| 19:08.27 | Cairenn | you don't know what to do with a candle? |
| 19:08.34 | Cairenn | O.o |
| 19:08.42 | Cairenn | hey Tem :) |
| 19:08.45 | Beladona | I just have no use for them |
| 19:08.50 | Tem | hey |
| 19:09.08 | Beladona | now a match.... |
| 19:09.08 | MoonWolf | candles and doing stuff with them, oooh the implications. |
| 19:09.16 | Natasem | Role Playing room is that way ===/> |
| 19:09.19 | MatryxWrk | MoonWolf: behave :P |
| 19:09.36 | MoonWolf | I never said anything. |
| 19:09.42 | Cairenn | Beladona: here, I'll be kind |
| 19:09.45 | Cairenn | what you do is this |
| 19:09.48 | MatryxWrk | surely wolf + wax = bad fur day anyway? |
| 19:10.00 | Cairenn | you take the pretty candle home and hand it to your wife |
| 19:10.03 | Lozareth | cards go in the litter box with the shredded invoices |
| 19:10.09 | Beladona | yeah like she needs more |
| 19:10.11 | Cairenn | lol Lozareth |
| 19:10.14 | Natasem | no worse than Tar + Feathers |
| 19:10.20 | Cairenn | Beladona: you *always* need more candles, duh :p |
| 19:10.38 | Beladona | if we ever lost power, our house would look like nothing happened |
| 19:11.00 | Cairenn | hmmmm, candles ... incense ... *digs around on her desk, papers scattering every which way* |
| 19:11.14 | Lozareth | except you'd be staring a black computer monitor waiting for it to come back |
| 19:11.19 | Beladona | yeah |
| 19:11.29 | Beladona | no, like last hurricane season, I would stay at work |
| 19:11.32 | Beladona | =P |
| 19:12.10 | Cairenn | vanilla or sandlewood today guys? |
| 19:12.16 | Lozareth | I would be anyway, sadly pressing keys and whimpering |
| 19:12.23 | Cairenn | or lavendar |
| 19:12.31 | Lozareth | manure |
| 19:12.40 | Cairenn | Lozareth: shush you :p |
| 19:12.50 | Lozareth | tar pits |
| 19:12.51 | MatryxWrk | or Patchouli |
| 19:12.58 | MatryxWrk | - possible spelling errors |
| 19:13.07 | Lozareth | diesel exhaust |
| 19:13.11 | Cairenn | I need to restock, I'm just down to those three options atm |
| 19:13.16 | MoonWolf | sandlewood |
| 19:13.18 | Beladona | are you burning it, or eating it? |
| 19:13.18 | MatryxWrk | vanilla then |
| 19:13.18 | Lozareth | damn, none of my favs |
| 19:13.28 | Cairenn | going for vanilla, make it smell like I've been baking or something |
| 19:13.35 | MatryxWrk | mmm |
| 19:13.39 | MatryxWrk | makes me think of white chocolate |
| 19:13.42 | MoonWolf | eat the vanilla burn the sandlewood |
| 19:13.44 | MatryxWrk | which is always good |
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| 19:13.49 | Cairenn | save the sandlewood for when hubby is home ;) |
| 19:14.09 | MatryxWrk | ok - back to the grind |
| 19:15.56 | Beladona | those go on the floor! |
| 19:16.04 | Cairenn | unh |
| 19:16.08 | Cairenn | floor? |
| 19:16.11 | Beladona | hehe |
| 19:16.17 | Beladona | you should see my office |
| 19:16.28 | Beladona | if you dont trip over a server first |
| 19:16.53 | Beladona | which mind you would be fatal |
| 19:16.58 | Beladona | as you fell on the others |
| 19:17.39 | krka | what is sandlewood and why would a hubby like it? |
| 19:17.42 | Lozareth | sounds like my back porch |
| 19:18.22 | Lozareth | because she tells him to |
| 19:18.44 | Cairenn | sandlewood is a type of wood with a very pleasant scent |
| 19:19.30 | Beladona | ok I almost said something in reference to that sentence |
| 19:19.37 | Beladona | but I think I will ignore it |
| 19:19.43 | Cairenn | naw, go for it :p |
| 19:19.51 | Beladona | you know what I was thiking anyway |
| 19:20.00 | Cairenn | actually, nope |
| 19:20.22 | Lozareth | is it a um, a uh, polished wood? |
| 19:20.29 | Beladona | something along those lines |
| 19:21.02 | MoonWolf | is is "cadle"shaped ? |
| 19:21.08 | MoonWolf | candle* |
| 19:21.14 | krka | hmm... i guess I shouldn't have nuked the entire package of 500g rice pudding stuff |
| 19:21.15 | Beladona | I was gonna say, that will be a night full of wood then |
| 19:21.33 | Cairenn | Beladona: ;) |
| 19:21.33 | Beladona | hehe |
| 19:23.07 | Codayus | Hmmm |
| 19:23.32 | Lozareth | wood |
| 19:23.41 | Codayus | What does it say about me that it took me a while to stop wondering what on earth would be so great about a package of rice pudding that it would cost 500 gold? |
| 19:23.49 | Codayus | :-( |
| 19:24.21 | krka | it would definitely not be worth 500 gold |
| 19:24.41 | Cairenn | rice pudding ... yum |
| 19:24.46 | Codayus | Well, maybe if it gave a really amazing buff? |
| 19:24.59 | Codayus | It's have to be way stronger than a flask though... |
| 19:25.11 | Lozareth | it's not too much WoW until you refuse to eat the pudding because it'll just drop an old boot or a slimy bone |
| 19:25.23 | Codayus | *snicker* |
| 19:25.32 | Beladona | or if you refuse to cook it because it wouldn't give a skillup |
| 19:25.41 | Lozareth | lol |
| 19:25.47 | krka | lol |
| 19:25.50 | Codayus | Mmm, apparenlty slimes are dropping better loot in 1.9? I saw the patchnote but haven't checked it out. Anyone know the details? |
| 19:26.05 | Beladona | dunno |
| 19:26.15 | Codayus | Just higher value junk? Or a chance at greens? Or what? |
| 19:26.15 | Beladona | but I have been getting small chests from slimes lately |
| 19:26.40 | Beladona | nothing good in those chests mind you, but maybe that will change |
| 19:27.08 | krka | you should see the loot before you kill the slime |
| 19:27.14 | krka | after all, where would it hide it? |
| 19:27.17 | digix | lol |
| 19:27.27 | Codayus | Well, they are pretty opaque... |
| 19:27.30 | Beladona | same place it hides the skulls and rotting hide |
| 19:27.41 | Beladona | which means not at all |
| 19:27.44 | Codayus | So for small loot, it's probably internal. |
| 19:27.57 | krka | you should be able to just punch through the slime and grab the loot before you kill it then |
| 19:28.07 | Codayus | OTOH, whats up with killing bears and looting a rotting bear carcass? |
| 19:28.18 | Kremonte | they are cannibals? |
| 19:28.19 | Beladona | I know right |
| 19:28.34 | Codayus | Was the bear carrying it? Or was it THAT bears carcass? And if so, why is it still on the ground? And why did it rot so fast? |
| 19:28.56 | krka | it's fine, learn2play |
| 19:29.09 | Cairenn | and you are wondering these things ... why? |
| 19:29.12 | Codayus | Maybe it was carrying it to a previously unknown bear graveyard... |
| 19:29.17 | Codayus | Cairenn: Oh, that's easy! |
| 19:29.30 | Codayus | Too much caffiene, not enough sleep. |
| 19:29.32 | Lozareth | haha |
| 19:29.34 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 19:29.36 | Kremonte | hey Beladona, how did gentoo install go? |
| 19:29.52 | Beladona | tried twice |
| 19:29.59 | Beladona | something on my laptop was giving it problems |
| 19:30.02 | Lozareth | how does a bear carcass fit in my backpack? |
| 19:30.13 | Beladona | finishing up ubuntu right now |
| 19:30.22 | Beladona | will screw with gentoo on a spare system later |
| 19:30.27 | Beladona | till I perfect it |
| 19:30.44 | Codayus | Well, maybe it was a very small bear carcass? Like of a baby bear? Which is even more disturbing if you think about it. |
| 19:30.45 | digix | and how do we carry 5 backpacks at once? |
| 19:30.50 | Natasem | anyone one want to see the next item that is gona get me banned from the WoW forums? |
| 19:31.07 | Natasem | seeing how my Santa post did already |
| 19:32.00 | Natasem | Ya’ll remember my SANTA CLAUS: an Engineer's Perspective post well here is the follow up story this is the actual Blue Prints for X-Mass. Although you will need a PDF reader to view it seeing how it is in PDF format. http://www.zcode.org/files/Tsurani/Warcry/xmas.pdf |
| 19:32.01 | krka | and in some games where items have weight and can slow you down, why does it weigh less if you put it in your backpack? |
| 19:32.35 | digix | lol, very true krka |
| 19:32.49 | MoonWolf | how do 60 stacks of 20 pieces of runecloth go in my backpack. |
| 19:33.06 | MoonWolf | im assuming these pieces of cloth are big enough to makes something decent out of it. |
| 19:33.11 | MoonWolf | like a robe. |
| 19:33.23 | Codayus | Meh, just think about the number of gold bars you can fit in there. |
| 19:33.33 | Codayus | Or, ponder why a gold bar is worth less than a gold coin... |
| 19:33.41 | MoonWolf | or the shear weight of 60 plate chests |
| 19:33.46 | Codayus | Just how big ARE these bars? And yet, a gold coin takes up no room at all! |
| 19:33.56 | Lozareth | magic |
| 19:34.12 | Maldivia | Or the fact, than you can fit a 16 slot backpack in a 6 slot backpack |
| 19:34.17 | Codayus | I think we need to reverse engineer the coinpurses. |
| 19:34.23 | MoonWolf | Maldivia, folding. |
| 19:34.37 | Codayus | If we could harness this coinpurse technology to make packs, we'd never run out of room! |
| 19:34.45 | digix | so true..... |
| 19:34.52 | MoonWolf | the coinpurses are actually bags of holding. |
| 19:35.09 | Lozareth | some WoW dev is gonna pop in real quick, see that, and make coins take up bag slots |
| 19:35.21 | digix | *gasp* |
| 19:35.31 | MoonWolf | NOOOOO |
| 19:35.33 | digix | only stacks up to 10g |
| 19:35.42 | MoonWolf | that would create diable 1 scenes |
| 19:35.50 | MoonWolf | where half your inventory would be gold at one point. |
| 19:35.51 | Maldivia | ohh no... |
| 19:36.01 | digix | then in the next patch, they introduce an actual "coin purse" bag |
| 19:36.06 | Lozareth | lol |
| 19:36.17 | digix | only holds 1000g then you need to get another |
| 19:36.27 | digix | or 500g |
| 19:36.37 | MoonWolf | i would love to see like some extra bag slots that are for specific bags |
| 19:36.39 | krka | more realistic in diablo, where money took backpack space |
| 19:36.49 | digix | and then they start charging interest for the bank |
| 19:36.52 | Cairenn | need to reboot, brb |
| 19:36.52 | krka | wow... did I just call diablo realistic? O_O |
| 19:37.02 | digix | rofl |
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| 19:37.09 | MoonWolf | 3 extra bag slots for sould plouches or quivers or ammopouches or yet to be invented jewelboxes |
| 19:37.09 | MoonWolf | ec |
| 19:37.12 | MoonWolf | etc* |
| 19:37.24 | digix | i always wondered though why you couldnt place money in the bank so savings..... |
| 19:37.35 | Tain | No, no interest in the bank. I already owe rent for my base in City of Villains. |
| 19:37.44 | digix | lol |
| 19:39.37 | Tain | Aww I didn't realize Asheron's Call 2 was shutting down the servers. |
| 19:39.52 | Natasem | AC 2 was a bomb |
| 19:39.56 | Natasem | meaning it suxed |
| 19:40.09 | Tain | It was a bomb, but it's still too bad. |
| 19:40.31 | Natasem | although AC1 is comeing out with a Sequl(sp) |
| 19:40.44 | Tain | For the simple fact that the original Asheron's Call started with a good base until MS got involved (in my opinion.) |
| 19:41.20 | Tain | Really though anytime a game shuts down I think it's too bad, just because of the effort that goes into it by the devs. |
| 19:43.56 | Kiliek | ac1 is getting a sequel? |
| 19:45.19 | MoonWolf | ac1 has a sequal and it bombed already |
| 19:45.19 | Kiliek | that's fucken hot |
| 19:45.19 | Kiliek | ac1 wtfowned |
| 19:46.18 | Tain | I thought it was an expansion to AC1. |
| 19:46.21 | Tain | Throne of Destiny |
| 19:46.56 | Tain | I thought AC1 had some great ideas, it just was pushed out for Christmas so a lot of them weren't fully implemented right off the bat. |
| 19:47.12 | Tain | And when stuff is missing right away, most people aren't going to stick around to see if it shows up. |
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| 19:48.53 | Kremonte | uhm, what's the name of the default tooltip frame? =X |
| 19:50.15 | MoonWolf | not a clue |
| 19:50.19 | MoonWolf | wowtooltip ? |
| 19:50.45 | Kiliek | yeah |
| 19:51.17 | Kiliek | ac2 was fun for like a month |
| 19:51.17 | Kiliek | until i hit cap |
| 19:51.17 | Kiliek | game was so broken at retail |
| 19:51.17 | Kiliek | mob pathing was all sorts of fucked up |
| 19:51.36 | Tain | I think it's GameTooltip |
| 19:52.01 | Kremonte | yeah it is, thanks Tain |
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| 19:53.01 | Beladona | welcome back |
| 19:53.03 | Beladona | or not |
| 19:53.07 | Kremonte | rpf; |
| 19:53.10 | Kremonte | lol* |
| 19:53.15 | Kremonte | gr i cant type |
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| 19:53.21 | Beladona | 0 o |
| 19:53.21 | Kremonte | wb again |
| 19:53.44 | MoonWolf | indeed |
| 19:54.07 | Cairenn | blah |
| 19:54.13 | Cairenn | little flakes, big snow |
| 19:54.39 | Lozareth | snowing here too |
| 19:54.55 | Kremonte | no snow here :'( it's just really cold |
| 19:55.24 | Cairenn | It's surprisingly cold here too, given that it's snowing ... usually it's warmer when it's snowing |
| 19:55.42 | Kremonte | the outdoors suck |
| 19:55.51 | Lozareth | I drove into a ditch for the 2nd time already last Fri. |
| 19:56.04 | Cairenn | O.O Loz |
| 19:56.04 | Eraphine|Disco | gasp |
| 19:56.06 | Lozareth | complete white-out, couldn't see the road |
| 19:56.15 | Kremonte | loz pays his entire salary in car insurance |
| 19:56.17 | Eraphine|Disco | where do you live. |
| 19:56.22 | MoonWolf | i wish we had snow |
| 19:56.26 | Cairenn | been there, done that Lozareth |
| 19:56.28 | MoonWolf | alas no white chrismas for me. |
| 19:56.34 | Eraphine|Disco | You wish until you have it |
| 19:56.34 | Lozareth | and once a 1974 Cadillac is in a ditch, it's not getting back out :) |
| 19:56.44 | Eraphine|Disco | Then you wish it didn't snow all the time. |
| 19:56.51 | Cairenn | not without a tow-truck, at least |
| 19:56.56 | Eraphine|Disco | Snow would be great if it fell, and then dissolved into nothing within 24 hours |
| 19:57.03 | Kremonte | I just saved a bunch of money on my epic mount by getting Exalted with Geico. |
| 19:57.15 | Eraphine|Disco | What is the exalted discount? |
| 19:57.16 | Lozareth | lol |
| 19:57.18 | Osagasu | Krem, owned. |
| 19:57.20 | Osagasu | oh oh |
| 19:57.24 | Osagasu | Kremowned! |
| 19:57.32 | Kremonte | Osagasu, old :( |
| 19:57.36 | Osagasu | :P |
| 19:57.43 | Osagasu | Forgive me |
| 19:58.00 | Kremonte | You can save up to 200 gold with just a 15 minute phone call |
| 19:58.06 | Lebannen | hrm... not having a warrior... does PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED get fired when a warrior changes stances? |
| 19:58.07 | Osagasu | I have a fever of 100+, mild vertigo, and I just took a 3 hour nap. |
| 19:58.09 | Cairenn | oh Krem, stop, lol |
| 19:58.22 | Kremonte | Cairenn, 15 minutes or less! |
| 19:58.23 | Osagasu | I'm not in my right mind, kay? |
| 19:58.25 | Kremonte | :D |
| 19:58.26 | Tain | That's true, Kremonte. A lot of online gold sellers say they'll deliver in 15 minutes. ;) |
| 19:58.34 | Kremonte | rofl, Tain |
| 19:58.44 | lon | heh. World of warcraft gold sellers. |
| 19:58.55 | lon | http://www.enjoywow.com <-- not sure if it's serious, but it's seriously funny. |
| 20:01.21 | Beladona | wine, here I come |
| 20:01.23 | Kremonte | EnjoyWoW's Motto: We exist so you can spend your time the way you want |
| 20:01.51 | lon | what gets me is that if you punch "world of warcraft" into google, it has tons of sponsored links from gold sellers :( I thought Google researched their advertisers. heh. |
| 20:02.10 | lon | hmpf. |
| 20:03.52 | Kremonte | heh, my estimate at level 40 was correct |
| 20:04.00 | Kremonte | 1g is sold for the same as 10k gil (ffxi) |
| 20:05.58 | lon | WoW gold rules to http://www.project-entropia.com/Index.ajp <-- entire in-game economy is based on real money |
| 20:06.06 | lon | o.O |
| 20:07.21 | lon | That and Second Life seem to attempt Neal Stephenson's Metaverse, except without the puny 2^16 address space ;) |
| 20:07.57 | Cairenn | Okay, take this in context ... is it any wonder that the Asian cultures thinks so poorly of the North American/European cultures? We're so lazy, we pay someone else to play our games for us ... |
| 20:08.36 | Beladona | we aspire to pay someone else to drive for us |
| 20:08.43 | Beladona | it extends beyond games |
| 20:08.48 | Cairenn | oh, I know |
| 20:09.17 | Cairenn | but my point is ... these are *games* ... and we are paying others to *play* them for us ... we are so lazy we can't even *play* for ourselves |
| 20:09.41 | krka | for some it's a *contest* |
| 20:09.48 | Cairenn | "we" being used in context here, please, not necessarily any person in this channel |
| 20:09.57 | Tain | A lot of people don't see it as lazy so much as being cheaper in "time" for what they want to get out of it. |
| 20:10.16 | krka | actually, can grinding for gold really be considered playing? |
| 20:10.23 | krka | it's mindboggingly boring |
| 20:10.38 | Beladona | is it wrong of me to actually like installing an app via command line in linux instead of using it's package manager? 0.o |
| 20:10.40 | krka | nothing wrong with wanting to do the fun parts of the game |
| 20:10.52 | Cairenn | no, for them I believe it truly is a "job" ... |
| 20:10.53 | Tain | If someone doesn't enjoy playing level 1-20 for example, but does enjoy playing higher level, then it's not a very fun game for them to get there. |
| 20:11.10 | Beladona | yeah but it takes what, 1 day to get there? |
| 20:11.19 | Tain | It depends on the person. |
| 20:11.19 | krka | O_o |
| 20:11.23 | krka | i played that for a week or so |
| 20:11.25 | Tain | Dont' get me wrong, I think a lot of people are simply lazy. |
| 20:11.28 | Beladona | people don't want to put the effort into attaining long term benefits |
| 20:11.41 | krka | I am a slow player I think |
| 20:11.47 | Cairenn | my point being, is it any wonder that the NA/Euro communities are scoffed at by the Asain communities? |
| 20:12.06 | Tain | Oh I think there's lots of reasons for that. :) |
| 20:12.10 | Beladona | hey, I scoff at us |
| 20:12.14 | Cairenn | I do too |
| 20:12.17 | Beladona | forget the asians |
| 20:12.47 | Cairenn | but tis no wonder that "they" feel like they are better than us - remember, take what I am saying in context |
| 20:12.54 | Beladona | the US is like Microsoft. Everyone knows there is a problem, but no one wants to fix it |
| 20:13.06 | krka | that's how it is with no-skill games, people can get "better" by letting others play |
| 20:13.12 | Tain | Or possibly more to the point Beladona, no one has the power to fix it. |
| 20:13.22 | krka | can you imagine anyone paying someone else to play warcraft 3 for you? |
| 20:13.26 | Beladona | oh there are people who have the power |
| 20:13.36 | Tain | The Illuminati! shhh |
| 20:13.37 | Beladona | they just happen to be the ones that use the system as it is for personal gain |
| 20:14.04 | Cairenn | and those that would like to actually change things, will never get the opportunity to do so, because what it will take won't be "popular" |
| 20:14.28 | krka | what is the problem in this casE? |
| 20:15.06 | Cairenn | well, we've gone from games to society, so I'm not sure what we're talking about at this point ;) |
| 20:15.14 | Beladona | monkeys! |
| 20:15.22 | Beladona | ninja monkeys to be exact |
| 20:15.26 | krka | we've gone to society? |
| 20:15.31 | krka | I missed the transition |
| 20:15.31 | Cairenn | pirate monkeys ftw! |
| 20:15.39 | Beladona | I think krka fell off the train about a mile back |
| 20:15.47 | krka | yeah |
| 20:16.00 | krka | so, how about that bear carcass? |
| 20:16.09 | krka | how did it get there? |
| 20:16.33 | Cairenn | Cairenn: but tis no wonder that "they" feel like they are better than us - remember, take what I am saying in context |
| 20:16.33 | Cairenn | Beladona: the US is like Microsoft. Everyone knows there is a problem, but no one wants to fix it |
| 20:16.33 | Cairenn | Tain: Or possibly more to the point Beladona, no one has the power to fix it. |
| 20:16.33 | Cairenn | Beladona: oh there are people who have the power |
| 20:16.33 | Cairenn | Beladona: they just happen to be the ones that use the system as it is for personal gain |
| 20:16.34 | Cairenn | Cairenn: and those that would like to actually change things, will never get the opportunity to do so, because what it will take won't be "popular" |
| 20:17.13 | krka | i figured that was still about wow |
| 20:17.25 | Cairenn | nope |
| 20:17.43 | Lozareth | what happened to the pirate ninja monkeys? |
| 20:17.59 | Cairenn | pirates secksay! |
| 20:18.19 | Lozareth | *contrives to look as non-pirate as possible* |
| 20:18.52 | digix | i concur... what did happen to said pirate ninja monkeys? |
| 20:18.54 | Cairenn | hmph |
| 20:19.21 | Tain | Yarr! |
| 20:19.22 | Cairenn | http://www.gucomics.com/archives/view.php?cdate=20050920 |
| 20:19.39 | Cairenn | MONKEY! |
| 20:19.52 | digix | lol |
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| 20:20.28 | Cairenn | SOE Marketing 1, Hardcore Gamer 0 |
| 20:20.48 | pagefault | ? |
| 20:20.56 | digix | wow, todays comic there is nice and true |
| 20:21.02 | Cairenn | pagefault: http://www.gucomics.com/archives/view.php?cdate=20050920 |
| 20:21.11 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 20:21.24 | Cairenn | Woody usually does a good job of being right on top of things |
| 20:21.26 | pagefault | haha |
| 20:21.35 | Cairenn | like the whole Pokemon causes cancer thing yesterday |
| 20:21.37 | pagefault | haha |
| 20:21.39 | Cairenn | that was good too |
| 20:22.07 | Tain | I choose you, Lung Cancer! |
| 20:23.11 | Cairenn | you do have to wonder if the scientist in question was having some fun with it |
| 20:24.28 | Osagasu | http://www.gucomics.com/archives/view.php?cdate=20050930 <--That looks familiar |
| 20:24.41 | Cairenn | heheh |
| 20:25.16 | digix | XD |
| 20:32.04 | Osagasu | I don't know why I never put GU Comics in my webcomic bookmark folder. |
| 20:39.07 | Kremonte | http://dan-rouse.com/wowimg/undeadattack.jpg |
| 20:39.47 | krka | heh, does the chat in #cosmostesters seem familiar cair? |
| 20:40.31 | Cairenn | talk about your perfect example :p |
| 20:40.33 | krka | i'll take that as a yes |
| 20:41.04 | Cairenn | buddy in #cosmostesters bitching about the fact that he has to hold down the shift key while clicking in order to loot everything |
| 20:41.21 | Cairenn | like, omg |
| 20:42.11 | pagefault | ninja |
| 20:42.13 | pagefault | :P |
| 20:42.44 | Cairenn | I always try to behave over there, it's not my channel, it isn't my place to tell someone they are being idiots, but gah |
| 20:44.46 | Beladona | he could always make an addon that changes that couldn't he? |
| 20:44.58 | krka | no |
| 20:45.10 | Beladona | why not? |
| 20:45.58 | Beladona | you could simply make a script that loots evderything if the loot window pops up |
| 20:46.29 | Cairenn | can you? |
| 20:46.51 | Tain | Pretty sure, you can do it for other things, like the mailbox. |
| 20:47.09 | Cairenn | haven't people been trying to do that for ages now? and no one has had any luck? or has no one actually attempted it? |
| 20:47.10 | Tain | I've never actually looked at doing it though. Sounds like an opportunity! |
| 20:47.18 | lon | Beladona: uh, I just shift-right click to loot everything |
| 20:47.23 | lon | maybe it's a cosmos thing? |
| 20:47.41 | Beladona | I do too |
| 20:47.43 | Tain | The person is complaing about having to shift. |
| 20:47.49 | Beladona | I was responding to the someone bitching they had to do that |
| 20:47.52 | lon | oh |
| 20:47.53 | lon | sorry |
| 20:47.58 | Beladona | = lazy |
| 20:48.00 | Beladona | but whatever |
| 20:48.18 | Cairenn | lon: 10 sec rule |
| 20:48.31 | Beladona | not like we have room to talk. many addons are created out of a need to be lazy |
| 20:48.45 | lon | true, dat. |
| 20:49.04 | Lebannen | nothing in WoWWiki about loot functions, may not be possible |
| 20:49.17 | Beladona | uhh |
| 20:49.43 | Beladona | all you need to do is set the loot window to do an onshow |
| 20:49.48 | Beladona | I would think |
| 20:50.02 | Beladona | might have to try it to prove it can be done, but hell if I will release something so useless |
| 20:50.04 | Lebannen | I mean to actually loot the item |
| 20:50.09 | Lebannen | to pick it up |
| 20:50.24 | Tain | Beladona: People would useit. I bet you would get tens of thousands of downloads. |
| 20:50.29 | Cairenn | cute: http://www.cairenn-mmorpg.com/images/various/ATT000051.gif |
| 20:50.30 | Beladona | probably |
| 20:50.37 | Tain | I'm not saying that's a good reason to do it. :) |
| 20:50.55 | Beladona | yeah |
| 20:51.10 | Lebannen | There's a LOOT_OPEN event which would tell you when the loot action has started, but I can't see any meothd of actually picking up the items presented |
| 20:51.28 | Beladona | same way you pick up an item from your back |
| 20:51.30 | Lebannen | *OPENED |
| 20:51.31 | Beladona | bag |
| 20:52.15 | Lebannen | PickupContainerItem? What, slot 6 is the loot window? Not convinced :) |
| 20:53.04 | Maldivia | Cairenn: cute :) |
| 20:53.17 | Maldivia | Cairenn: that seems to be the right word |
| 20:53.25 | Cairenn | :) |
| 20:53.51 | Tain | Cute? Try this. ;) http://www.cuteoverload.com/ |
| 20:54.25 | Beladona | Lebannen: instead of naysaying it, prove it wrong or allow someone to prove it right |
| 20:54.34 | Maldivia | ok, that's verload... |
| 20:54.38 | Maldivia | +o |
| 20:54.45 | lon | oh dear god |
| 20:55.01 | lon | Tain: wow, what an appropriately named site |
| 20:58.01 | Lebannen | Beladona: apologies, I did say "Not convinced" - but I am also testing it |
| 20:59.03 | Beladona | I will screw with it later, I am still playing with wine |
| 21:01.44 | krka | what? |
| 21:01.51 | Cairenn | it |
| 21:01.55 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 21:01.57 | Tain | Ah she said it!~ |
| 21:01.59 | krka | don't say it!!! |
| 21:02.00 | Tain | Ahh she said it again! |
| 21:02.03 | Tain | Now I'm saying it! |
| 21:02.03 | krka | no, now I said it |
| 21:02.04 | krka | aaaaa |
| 21:04.10 | Lebannen | unless PickupContainerItem uses some odd index, I can now confirm it doesn't work - indexes 5 to 15, anyway. PickupMerchantItem also doesn't seem to correspond to the loot window. |
| 21:05.13 | krka | heh, didn't think you'd actually test what's already so obvious |
| 21:05.28 | Gryphen | im sure its not possible |
| 21:05.47 | Lebannen | Well, Beladona shot me down for not testing what I thoguht was obvious... so :p |
| 21:06.04 | Gryphen | its been requested so many times and so many talented coders and never has there been one |
| 21:06.51 | krka | they said the same thing about multiple spells on the same keypress though :) |
| 21:07.00 | Cairenn | the question was whether anyone has ever actually tried or not, or whether we've all just assumed that someone else tried it |
| 21:07.35 | Beladona | I highly doubt it is a purely embedded function. There has to be a way to utilize the loot process |
| 21:08.09 | krka | is the loot frame even accessible in any way at all? |
| 21:08.21 | Tain | Besides, never before in the history of Warcraftkind have so many talented coders been assembled in one place. |
| 21:08.28 | krka | does it show up in FrameXML? |
| 21:08.36 | Cairenn | Tain: :p |
| 21:08.43 | krka | and so many hacks :P |
| 21:09.02 | Tain | LootButtonTemplate |
| 21:09.11 | Gryphen | ya cosmostesters has no talent :p |
| 21:09.25 | Tain | You shouldn't say things like that, Gryphen. That's rude. |
| 21:09.42 | Cairenn | yer all nuts, the lot of you |
| 21:09.43 | krka | also quite untrue |
| 21:09.45 | Beladona | yeah, and it could get [pasted] |
| 21:09.59 | Cairenn | mind you, what does that make me, for hanging out with you :p |
| 21:10.06 | Lebannen | http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Loot_Functions |
| 21:10.08 | Tain | The nutcracker! |
| 21:10.16 | Cairenn | lol tain |
| 21:10.55 | Tain | You can do things with the loot window, Pocket Helper does for Rogues. Adds a single window for pickpocketing. |
| 21:12.12 | Kremonte | Tain, Pocket Helper? |
| 21:12.57 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4091 |
| 21:14.51 | krka | isn't there one mod that automatically moves the loot window so the mouse is always over one of the items? |
| 21:15.03 | Tain | Yeah there's a few like that. |
| 21:15.14 | Legorol | g'evning |
| 21:15.17 | krka | could also make it smart so it only hovers over items that you want to pick up |
| 21:15.19 | krka | hey |
| 21:15.19 | MoonWolf | night |
| 21:15.29 | Legorol | admittedly i haven't read the whole log on the discussion on looting, |
| 21:15.36 | Legorol | but someone was asking if you could "auto-loot" |
| 21:15.44 | Legorol | the answer is no, impossible with the current scripting API |
| 21:15.44 | Kremonte | aka shift click? |
| 21:15.54 | Legorol | not even once the loot window is visible |
| 21:16.05 | krka | could make a third party program that holds down shift :P |
| 21:16.11 | Legorol | that you could |
| 21:16.12 | krka | but that would fuck up everything else... |
| 21:16.19 | Legorol | but you could do 3rd party progs for anything, krka |
| 21:16.24 | Legorol | we are talking Lua here |
| 21:16.34 | krka | i could make it in Lua! =) |
| 21:16.56 | krka | did you mean wow-sandbox-lua? :) |
| 21:17.04 | Legorol | you damn well know i did! |
| 21:17.08 | krka | true |
| 21:17.10 | Legorol | ;-) |
| 21:17.17 | Legorol | and i know you know and are just pulling my leg |
| 21:17.19 | Legorol | ha! |
| 21:17.31 | Legorol | anyways, lootbuttons are evil things |
| 21:17.33 | krka | i always knew you knew that I knew |
| 21:17.42 | Legorol | they are special UI widgets which handle the left and right-click internally |
| 21:18.05 | Legorol | the event, although is properly delivered to the XML/Lua handlers, is also handled in C code specially to handle the actual looting |
| 21:18.26 | Legorol | if you look at the Lua handler assigned to the OnClick of a lootbutton, it has absolutely nothing in it that has anything to do with looting |
| 21:18.58 | MoonWolf | One thing i alway's wonder. |
| 21:19.10 | MoonWolf | when is a mobs loot determened ? |
| 21:19.20 | krka | when it dies, I think |
| 21:19.22 | MoonWolf | when it spawns, when it dies, when you attack it, when you tag is ? |
| 21:19.29 | Legorol | when it dies |
| 21:19.33 | MoonWolf | okay. |
| 21:19.44 | krka | is there any way we could verify that btw? |
| 21:19.49 | Legorol | yes |
| 21:19.52 | Legorol | you can tag it then untag it |
| 21:19.55 | Kremonte | GetMobLoots("target"); w00t perditions blade is dropping today! |
| 21:19.56 | Kremonte | :P |
| 21:19.57 | Legorol | hmm |
| 21:20.01 | Legorol | actually, no way to verify |
| 21:20.12 | MoonWolf | nope |
| 21:20.19 | MoonWolf | because you are only seeing the loot when it dies. |
| 21:20.19 | Legorol | but because it's possible for a mob to get untagged, it's silly for it to be determined on tagging |
| 21:20.25 | krka | except bother slouken about work when he gets here |
| 21:20.26 | Legorol | there are some indications though |
| 21:20.32 | Beladona | not without checking the loot, and somehow rezzing the mob, then checking it again |
| 21:20.39 | Beladona | haha |
| 21:20.45 | Kremonte | AV, Beladona? :P |
| 21:20.46 | Legorol | e.g. if a person joins a party *after* you tagged a mob already, they can still get the quest item loot |
| 21:20.54 | Legorol | provided they join before the mob dies |
| 21:20.59 | krka | in any case, the client shouldn't get any info until it dies |
| 21:21.18 | Legorol | if i were blizz, not even until you right-click to loot |
| 21:21.22 | krka | also, some quest drops are definitely decided on the first mob that dies |
| 21:21.22 | MoonWolf | Legorol, but that is because he participated in the kill for the quest, not because of the loot i think. |
| 21:21.43 | Legorol | think about it, MoonWolf |
| 21:21.56 | Legorol | whether to include the quest item in the loot or not has to be decided at some point |
| 21:22.07 | Beladona | I think it has more to do with the client recieving the data, as well as permissions for the loot |
| 21:22.09 | Legorol | clearly this decision is made when the mob dies |
| 21:22.13 | Beladona | upon mob death |
| 21:23.02 | Beladona | which would also explain why another person gets the you do not have permission to loot that |
| 21:23.02 | krka | or upon deciding to loot! |
| 21:23.02 | Tain | I know in EverQuest it was on mob spawn. Which has nothing to do with it, I just wanted to contribute something. :( |
| 21:23.02 | krka | philosophical question: if you don't loot a corpse, has it ever even had some loot? |
| 21:23.02 | Beladona | lol |
| 21:23.02 | Beladona | yeah |
| 21:23.09 | MoonWolf | krka, we will never know. |
| 21:23.12 | Legorol | krka, or if there is noone to witness its death ;-) |
| 21:23.17 | Tain | If a tree falls on a murloc in a forest, and there's no one to see it... |
| 21:23.25 | Legorol | exactly my thoughts |
| 21:23.29 | Beladona | was the murloc even there... |
| 21:23.32 | krka | if some loot falls by itself, and no one is there to pick it up.... |
| 21:23.35 | Legorol | or the forest? |
| 21:23.37 | Tain | There is no spoon. |
| 21:23.40 | Beladona | or the tree |
| 21:23.45 | Legorol | or the spoon |
| 21:23.52 | Tain | SPOOOON! |
| 21:23.57 | Tain | ~tick |
| 21:23.59 | purl | Eating kittens is just plain wrong! And no-one should do it, ever! |
| 21:24.11 | Kiliek | the bigger question is, does it matter |
| 21:24.18 | Tain | What is matter? |
| 21:24.21 | MoonWolf | things are only determined when they are whitnessed in science so, there is no murloc no wood and no tree, only a possiblilty of them existing. |
| 21:24.25 | krka | yes! |
| 21:24.40 | Legorol | Tain: matter = energy |
| 21:24.51 | krka | if we figure out how they generate randomness, we could figure out what would drop later |
| 21:24.51 | MoonWolf | what is energy ? |
| 21:24.54 | krka | if we knew when it was decided |
| 21:25.06 | Legorol | MoonWolf: it's even worse, even if a scientist witnesses something, that doesn't necessarily determine the outcome |
| 21:25.06 | Tain | The less energy you have the more matter you'll get. ;) |
| 21:25.12 | Kiliek | the hurdle there is figuring out how they generate randomness |
| 21:25.18 | krka | and we had access to all the wow-traffic to all connected users |
| 21:25.22 | Tain | ~random |
| 21:25.25 | Kremonte | probably on time() or something |
| 21:25.28 | Kiliek | but, seriously, it probably happens when it's most efficient |
| 21:25.43 | krka | and that random generator is pseudo-random and it's not used for anything else |
| 21:25.49 | Legorol | i beleive they do it on death, because that's when the decision about quest items needs to be made |
| 21:25.50 | MoonWolf | nothing is truely random |
| 21:25.52 | Kremonte | when the mob dies, it uses something with time() and math.random() for teh lewts? |
| 21:26.02 | krka | or everything is truely random |
| 21:26.07 | Legorol | so in all likelihood they make all the other loottable decisions then too |
| 21:26.10 | MoonWolf | its only affected by so many variables that doing it exactly like that again is very small |
| 21:26.20 | Beladona | it would make sense |
| 21:26.31 | Beladona | a mob has access to specific tables in the loot db |
| 21:26.32 | krka | the lootable loottable? |
| 21:26.32 | Tain | I dont know how much time() is used, but in EverQuest someone figured how how the forumula for /rand rolling worked, and spoofed their local time everytime the call was made. |
| 21:26.41 | Tain | They could roll specific numbers whenever they wanted. |
| 21:26.42 | Beladona | and a function does a random on those available tables |
| 21:26.42 | Legorol | we know they have to decide on quest item inclusion on death and not lootwindow opening, |
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| 21:26.53 | Legorol | because it has to decide whether to show the tingling lights to 1 or more players |
| 21:27.13 | Kremonte | Tain - i'd have reason to believe it would be based on a server calculation of time() when the function is called to make the loot table |
| 21:27.19 | krka | good point |
| 21:27.20 | MoonWolf | tain, blizzard has multple random generators at server side an can switch then around when they want to should there be a need. |
| 21:27.23 | Legorol | e.g. if two people kill a mob, one which has a quest for an item that mob drops and another doesn't, |
| 21:27.24 | krka | so it must be death |
| 21:27.27 | krka | good reasoning |
| 21:27.32 | Legorol | and it's the other's turn to loot, |
| 21:27.37 | Legorol | they both need to see the glow |
| 21:27.50 | Tain | Yep. It's solid logicicity. |
| 21:27.57 | Legorol | so quest items must be decided at death at the latest |
| 21:28.02 | Legorol | we still don't know about the other items |
| 21:28.17 | Kiliek | mob spawn, death, and on loot are three plausible times |
| 21:28.20 | Tain | So you're saying it was Professor Plumb, with the lead pipe, in the kitchen? |
| 21:28.26 | Kremonte | Kiliek - mob spawn wouldn't work |
| 21:28.27 | Legorol | yes Tain |
| 21:28.36 | Kiliek | kremonte, quest loot could be added later |
| 21:28.37 | Legorol | mob spawn would work too, |
| 21:28.41 | Kiliek | or as a seperate process |
| 21:28.41 | Legorol | with quest loot added later |
| 21:28.52 | Kiliek | like i said, it's likely whatever is most efficient |
| 21:29.00 | MoonWolf | or quest loot is simply handles different |
| 21:29.07 | MoonWolf | if a mob drops per say a head |
| 21:29.11 | Kremonte | well then on spawn wouldnt be efficient |
| 21:29.14 | Tain | Possibly all possible loot is loaded at spawn, and displayed only to who neds it. |
| 21:29.21 | MoonWolf | that head can be looted by anybody with the quest and participated in the kills |
| 21:29.31 | Kremonte | it would be in memory for every alive mob on the server |
| 21:29.37 | Tain | I very much doubt that would be the case. |
| 21:29.40 | Tain | But it's possible. :) |
| 21:29.45 | Legorol | if i were coding it, i think the most efficient would be to do it on death |
| 21:29.50 | Kremonte | same |
| 21:29.54 | Kiliek | I'd do it on loot. |
| 21:29.59 | Kremonte | but, mobs dropping no loot still have sparkles |
| 21:30.04 | MoonWolf | Legorol, yes death or loot would be most efficient. |
| 21:30.11 | Legorol | reason for death instead of loot: |
| 21:30.18 | Legorol | that way you gain some processing time |
| 21:30.24 | Legorol | a user may take some time to get to the mob |
| 21:30.29 | Legorol | so it's better player experience |
| 21:30.38 | krka | also, because of the glow |
| 21:30.46 | krka | hmm... no wait, even lootless glows |
| 21:30.48 | Legorol | well the glow just shows whose turn it is to loot |
| 21:30.59 | MoonWolf | everybody hog up the blizz servers by killing stuff looking at the loot and not looting the corpse. |
| 21:31.03 | Legorol | you can in principle make quest drop decision on death, |
| 21:31.07 | Legorol | and loottable decision on loot |
| 21:31.11 | Legorol | but that sounds like a silly way of doing it |
| 21:31.24 | Kremonte | yeah, on death does seem more plausible |
| 21:31.29 | Kiliek | well, and certain quest items are limited |
| 21:31.35 | Kiliek | blood off drakkisath |
| 21:31.40 | Kremonte | if its group loot and not your turn, you have no sparkles, but if you can loot the quest item it does have sparkles |
| 21:31.42 | Kiliek | in that case, first person with quest to loot shows that item |
| 21:31.44 | Kiliek | perhaps unlocks it? |
| 21:31.51 | Kiliek | maybe quest item is decided at deasth |
| 21:31.53 | Legorol | Kremonte, we mentioned that earlier, yes |
| 21:31.56 | Kiliek | but not shown until a quest person unlocks it |
| 21:32.11 | Kiliek | the most telling example is non-itemized mobs |
| 21:32.13 | Kiliek | like silithus |
| 21:32.17 | Kiliek | they'd be "lootable" |
| 21:32.20 | Kiliek | but not have loot |
| 21:32.21 | Legorol | what do you mean by "not sowing"? |
| 21:32.21 | MoonWolf | i think certain quest items are pre determined like arugals head. |
| 21:32.25 | Kiliek | that says it's determined at loot time |
| 21:32.29 | Legorol | once the quest item has been assigned to the mob, it's as good as shown |
| 21:32.37 | MoonWolf | and wether or not you can GET it is determined on loot |
| 21:33.04 | Legorol | no, it's determined on death |
| 21:33.06 | Kiliek | naw, quest items are player specific |
| 21:33.13 | Legorol | entitlement to 100% sure quest drops are assigned on death |
| 21:33.15 | Legorol | not on loot |
| 21:33.15 | Kiliek | i don't see quest items on a mob i don't have quest for |
| 21:33.34 | krka | nope, not player specific |
| 21:33.45 | Legorol | Kiliek, that's correct |
| 21:33.45 | krka | only one in the party can get it sometimes |
| 21:33.52 | Legorol | depends on the type of quest |
| 21:34.04 | Legorol | usually with those quests that require a single item, everyone can loot it |
| 21:34.10 | krka | boss heads are typically one per quest haver in party |
| 21:34.13 | Legorol | the decision on who is entitled to loot that item is decided on death |
| 21:34.23 | Legorol | exactly, as krka says |
| 21:34.34 | Legorol | if say the mob dies, and only then someone in your party shares the quest with you,. |
| 21:34.38 | Legorol | you won't be able to loot it |
| 21:34.52 | Kremonte | but hm, what about mobs that drop items that start quests? |
| 21:34.52 | krka | kill 20 trolls and get ears are typically for just one person in the party |
| 21:34.58 | Kiliek | right, but in silithus you'd kill an unitemized mob and it'd be lootable |
| 21:35.00 | Kremonte | some only one person can get, some everyone in the party can get |
| 21:35.12 | Kiliek | until you opened the corpse and found no loot |
| 21:35.18 | Kiliek | and this differs from sometimes not getting a drop |
| 21:35.20 | Kiliek | which happens |
| 21:35.41 | Legorol | what's an "unitemized mob" |
| 21:35.48 | Kiliek | mobs with no loot table |
| 21:35.49 | Kremonte | a mob that never drops loot |
| 21:35.53 | Legorol | right |
| 21:35.56 | Kiliek | silithus before it was finished |
| 21:35.58 | Legorol | that's interesting |
| 21:36.09 | Legorol | but you can have quests to loot stuff off these guys? |
| 21:36.17 | Kremonte | what mobs, Kiliek? |
| 21:36.17 | Kiliek | this is long ago |
| 21:36.20 | Kiliek | before quests and such |
| 21:36.28 | Legorol | don't unitemized mobs still show glow when killed? |
| 21:36.30 | krka | in a land before quests |
| 21:36.37 | Kremonte | do critters? |
| 21:36.44 | Kiliek | nope critters aremm |
| 21:36.47 | Kiliek | nope they don't |
| 21:36.54 | Legorol | good point |
| 21:37.08 | Legorol | so, are there unitemized mobs that have a percentage chance to drop quest loot? |
| 21:37.12 | Kiliek | entitlement is probably on death with a certain amount of generation on open |
| 21:37.38 | Kiliek | i've heard if you have a mob you kill, but can't loot the corpse |
| 21:37.42 | Kiliek | (open the corpse) |
| 21:37.46 | Kiliek | gm won't be able to get items back for you |
| 21:37.57 | Kiliek | but as long as you could open it, even if the world crashed and you didn't take any items |
| 21:37.59 | Kiliek | they can get them back |
| 21:38.02 | Cleft | would RestedBonus = string.gfind(arg1,"(%d+) exp Rested bonus") error if there was not rested bonus? or would RestedBonus just be nil by the next line? |
| 21:38.04 | Kiliek | that says a bit about when loot generation happens |
| 21:39.11 | krka | just be nil |
| 21:40.03 | Cleft | thanks krka |
| 21:44.17 | Kremonte | wow o_O i got killed by a mob before i fell through the world, when i released my corpse kept falling then my ghost died a few secs later |
| 21:44.47 | krka | your ghost died? |
| 21:44.51 | Kremonte | yeah |
| 21:44.52 | MoonWolf | dying ghosts FTW |
| 21:44.56 | Kremonte | like when you die from fatigue |
| 21:44.57 | krka | what are you on? or am I missing out on wow? |
| 21:45.06 | Kremonte | huh? i'm on WoW |
| 21:45.27 | krka | that has never happened to me |
| 21:45.30 | Kremonte | someone feared me off the elevator in thousand needles, their DoT killed me but i got glitched and fell through the world |
| 21:45.42 | Kremonte | i died so my corpse stopped falling..then i released and it fell again |
| 21:45.56 | Kremonte | then my ghost took 1 damage and died ;_; |
| 21:46.17 | krka | ghosts are that weak? |
| 21:46.27 | Kremonte | ghosts/wisps have 1hp |
| 21:46.35 | Kremonte | before you release you have 0 |
| 21:46.50 | Kremonte | that way you can't run out through the ocean, because your ghost/wisp will die of fatigue |
| 21:46.58 | krka | so ghosts can take damage from falling? |
| 21:47.05 | Kremonte | no |
| 21:47.07 | krka | what happens then? do you get a meta-ghost? |
| 21:47.12 | Kremonte | i fell through the world |
| 21:47.27 | Kremonte | when you fall infinitely you die |
| 21:48.16 | krka | what happens if you die from fatique then? |
| 21:48.40 | Kremonte | you go back to spirit healer as a new ghost |
| 21:48.43 | krka | ah |
| 21:48.54 | MoonWolf | corpse in the original place though. |
| 21:49.05 | Kremonte | yeah, i had to spirit res |
| 21:49.50 | krka | ah right |
| 21:50.00 | krka | when the boats were bugged and people fell off, they couldn't get to their corpse :P |
| 21:50.39 | Kremonte | i still get bugged boats..but differently |
| 21:50.46 | Kremonte | sometimes they pull in cockeyed and i can't move |
| 21:50.55 | Kremonte | but the game considers me moving so i cant hearth or unstuck |
| 21:51.00 | Kremonte | i just gotta kinda wait for zone/luck |
| 21:53.32 | Beladona | back soon, going home |
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| 21:54.15 | Kremonte | XP/hr this session : 363 |
| 21:54.18 | Kremonte | woot, |
| 22:13.10 | Tem | I'm pretty far behind and far too lazy to read up, but auto looting stuff is impossible afaik because the loot buttons require a keypress event |
| 22:17.23 | Kiliek | there are a couple ways wisps can die |
| 22:17.29 | Kiliek | certain mobs (GoB) can see you as a wisp too |
| 22:17.32 | Kiliek | and can kill you if they want |
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| 22:28.00 | Kremonte | i'm gonna make IRCBoop for WoW |
| 22:28.08 | Kremonte | if someone says your name in party/guild chat it does "boop" like irc does |
| 22:28.42 | End | I considered making it so WoW would discolor the line slightly...and my irc client doesn't boop |
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| 22:28.50 | Kremonte | you can make it boop. |
| 22:28.53 | End | I think it just makes their name yellow |
| 22:28.59 | End | probably |
| 22:29.02 | Kremonte | but uh |
| 22:29.04 | End | but I doubt I use the same irc client |
| 22:29.10 | End | as you do |
| 22:29.13 | Kremonte | i'm talking for when i'm afking before rag or something |
| 22:29.21 | Kremonte | "say my name when ready" and i go watch tv |
| 22:29.38 | End | yeah, that'd probably be more useful than just changing the color then I suppose :P |
| 22:29.47 | End | yeah, you should definitely make that :P |
| 22:30.03 | Kremonte | ./boop party on |
| 22:30.05 | Kremonte | :D |
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| 22:31.00 | Kremonte | hihi cide |
| 22:31.08 | Cide | hihi |
| 22:31.42 | End | ho ho ho? |
| 22:32.10 | Cide | ho ho hoh rly? |
| 22:34.23 | End | ha ha ya rly |
| 22:35.29 | Kremonte | ho ho ho... |
| 22:35.38 | Kremonte | this is a crappy christmas week |
| 22:36.05 | Cide | how so? |
| 22:36.15 | Cide | I'm finishing my last paper, I'm happy :P |
| 22:36.27 | Kremonte | i'm sick as all hell, have 2 months of schoolwork to finish by friday, and i owe someone 700g |
| 22:36.36 | Kremonte | i think santa has it out for me |
| 22:37.06 | End | I had my last exam last friday, so now I'm "working my ass off" |
| 22:37.20 | End | you know, during break |
| 22:37.21 | Cide | hehe |
| 22:37.24 | Kremonte | and i have to retake an entire years worth of maths now >.> |
| 22:37.24 | Cide | that sucks Kremonte |
| 22:37.32 | Cide | math is fun! |
| 22:37.34 | Kremonte | they forgot to put me in the right class |
| 22:37.40 | Cide | ouch |
| 22:38.20 | Kremonte | but eh, i get a laptop for christmas so it's not all bad :P |
| 22:38.26 | Kremonte | i get to play WoW in math class now! |
| 22:38.42 | Cide | wtf math is fun! |
| 22:38.57 | Kremonte | it's not when you missed the first semester of it and you don't understand any of it ;_; |
| 22:39.04 | End | don' |
| 22:39.05 | End | er |
| 22:39.14 | End | don't go that route, you'll just get more and more confused |
| 22:39.30 | Kremonte | they put me in the wrong bloody class, and they're just telling me halfway through the year |
| 22:39.37 | Kremonte | and i'm sitting here thinking "no wonder i was getting D's" |
| 22:39.41 | End | :-/ |
| 22:40.02 | Kremonte | math isn't fun though anyway, cide >:O |
| 22:40.27 | Cide | it is :) |
| 22:40.34 | Kremonte | lies |
| 22:40.41 | Kremonte | i learned all the math i'll ever need to know by 4th grade |
| 22:41.32 | Cide | I probably have too, but that doesn't make it boring :) |
| 22:41.50 | Kremonte | it is to me ;_; |
| 22:42.03 | Cide | I know I am rather special :P |
| 22:42.47 | End | in math classes, it was always the homework that they would get me on. I just don't do homework. |
| 22:42.51 | End | :X |
| 22:43.01 | Kremonte | same, End >< |
| 22:43.26 | End | it was lucky I passed my BC calc test so I don't have to worry about calc in college |
| 22:44.33 | Kremonte | calculus isn't mandatory o.O |
| 22:44.40 | End | it is for my major |
| 22:44.41 | Kremonte | (thank god) |
| 22:44.42 | Kremonte | oh |
| 22:45.29 | Kremonte | lol, what are you majoring in? |
| 22:45.29 | End | CompSci |
| 22:45.29 | End | I still have other math to worry about though |
| 22:45.29 | Kremonte | calculus is mandatory for comp sci? T_T |
| 22:45.33 | Kremonte | guess i better start liking math. lol |
| 22:46.01 | End | well, where I go it is at least.... a lot of the foundations of computer science is math |
| 22:46.17 | End | the second part is in general, not in reference to where I go ;P |
| 22:46.23 | Kremonte | lol, i know |
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| 23:01.46 | Tem | I have to take 4 calcs |
| 23:01.59 | Tem | + diff equ |
| 23:08.26 | Cleft | anyone have the localized (for French and or German) chat text given when gain xp from killing a mob? |
| 23:10.12 | Maldivia | Isn't there a site that has the localized GlobalString.lua files? If so, you can find it there |
| 23:11.35 | Tain | Do you have to use the localized text? You might be able to use the global variable instead that gets localized automatically. |
| 23:21.09 | Beladona | LOL |
| 23:21.14 | Beladona | wow is installing under wine |
| 23:21.17 | Beladona | mmmm |
| 23:22.17 | Kremonte | Beladona - OS? |
| 23:22.22 | Beladona | ubuntu |
| 23:22.24 | Kremonte | ah |
| 23:22.26 | Kremonte | tell me how it runs :) |
| 23:22.29 | Beladona | I will |
| 23:22.41 | Beladona | if it runs good, bye bye windows |
| 23:22.51 | Kremonte | ;) |
| 23:22.52 | Beladona | at least on my laptop |
| 23:33.38 | Cleft | Anyone have the site with the localized GlobalString.lua? Tain, I don't know of any global variable, or rather I'm using the global variable arg1 and searching within it... |
| 23:33.59 | Cleft | like so... local xp = string.gfind(arg1, "dies, you gain (%d+) experience.") |
| 23:34.14 | Tain | There's a bunch of different globals for combat. |
| 23:34.15 | Tain | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoW_Constants |
| 23:35.18 | Cleft | there is CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_XP_GAIN, but that looks like the event, not a var itself |
| 23:36.32 | Tain | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.44 | Cleft | k |
