| 00:00.53 | Cair | most of the things I can do via admin edit won't trigger the "updated", but iirc there are a couple things that will |
| 00:05.07 | SP|Sorren | is there any way to make the minimap like show more of the map? |
| 00:05.47 | pagefault | time to fullfill my duty as taxi service |
| 00:06.04 | Legorol | Anyone here happens to speak simplified Chinese? |
| 00:08.31 | SP|Sorren | i speak a small amount of mandarin :P |
| 00:08.34 | Natasem | chop suie, chow mein, pork fried lice |
| 00:09.01 | Cair | sorry Legorol, the only Chinese I know is the name of our ChowChows |
| 00:09.16 | AnduinLothar | oo ChowChows rock |
| 00:09.29 | Cair | we raised and showed them |
| 00:09.45 | Cair | ChowChow puppies are the absolute cutest puppies evah! |
| 00:10.05 | SP|Sorren | chowchows are teh devil |
| 00:10.12 | Cair | >< |
| 00:10.13 | Cair | are NOT |
| 00:10.18 | SP|Sorren | my dog is part chow |
| 00:10.19 | SP|Sorren | he is a devil |
| 00:10.21 | SP|Sorren | ! |
| 00:10.30 | Cair | it's not the Chow part :p |
| 00:10.33 | SP|Sorren | they're like mean and stuff ;P |
| 00:10.52 | SP|Sorren | yes it is, his other half is like belgium sheepdog or something, and those dogs just like to run around in circles and stuff |
| 00:11.13 | Cair | oh, yeah, ours were just vicious, I'm telling ya .... all the neighbourhood kids were always in incredible danger, they constantly got licked to death :p |
| 00:11.17 | SP|Sorren | the chow half is the half that makes him steal my socks and shred em |
| 00:11.31 | Cair | noooo, that's bad ownership :p |
| 00:11.41 | AnduinLothar | PEBKAC |
| 00:11.48 | SP|Sorren | lies, all lies |
| 00:11.53 | groll | Cair u wanna have some fun? blow up my isp plz :P |
| 00:11.58 | AnduinLothar | PEBCAO |
| 00:12.02 | Cair | hehehehhee, problem exists between keyboard and chow |
| 00:12.17 | Cair | groll: ?? |
| 00:12.18 | AnduinLothar | or chow and owner |
| 00:12.21 | Cair | *nod* |
| 00:12.24 | SP|Sorren | my chow is 400 miles south of me :( |
| 00:12.25 | Cair | chows ROCK |
| 00:12.27 | SP|Sorren | i miss him |
| 00:12.28 | groll | i hate them :P that's reason enough lol |
| 00:12.47 | SP|Sorren | im going home on sunday though |
| 00:12.50 | Cair | oookay, and you are asking for *my* help, why? |
| 00:12.54 | SP|Sorren | my chow can once again steal my socks |
| 00:13.00 | groll | i cant run a 17meg sql querry on their darn server :/ |
| 00:13.13 | groll | cair cause i know ur a woman of fiery wrath when u want to :P |
| 00:13.51 | Cair | me? I'm a pussycat |
| 00:13.58 | Tem | I'd say cair is a woman of fiery wrath when provoked not on command |
| 00:14.25 | groll | tem hmm maybe |
| 00:14.26 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 00:14.51 | Cair | groll: ! |
| 00:15.17 | groll | sorry! :P you made me do it :D but ok me stop now and go back to my copy past of 150k lines :S |
| 00:16.19 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Ratbert_CP (n=KCummins@204.128.192.37) |
| 00:17.56 | Cair | I miss our kennel some days ... was fun when we'd have like 18 Chows running around |
| 00:17.57 | SP|Sorren | can i put a statusbar into a button? |
| 00:20.23 | AnduinLothar | sure |
| 00:24.12 | Legorol | wow Cair, you guys are quick at approving pending files.. |
| 00:24.16 | Cair | ;) |
| 00:24.18 | Legorol | is it done automatically, or is it just a virusscan? |
| 00:24.24 | Legorol | i mean |
| 00:24.27 | Legorol | is it automatical or manual |
| 00:24.33 | Cair | it's manual |
| 00:24.37 | Legorol | then you are quick ;-) |
| 00:24.42 | Legorol | and sorry for spamming you with versions |
| 00:24.47 | Cair | no worries hun |
| 00:24.48 | AnduinLothar | wow... i broke the promotion system |
| 00:25.28 | AnduinLothar | i somehow promoted someone to Leader.. there are two of us now and I can't demote him cause it says he's already at the lowest rank... |
| 00:26.49 | AnduinLothar | how int he world does it thinkt here are two Guild Leaders O.o |
| 00:26.58 | Legorol | rofl |
| 00:27.17 | AnduinLothar | wtf... |
| 00:27.59 | AnduinLothar | i dont even know how i caused it... something about repetely demoting or promtoing.. |
| 00:28.33 | groll | loöl |
| 00:29.00 | groll | could just be lag too |
| 00:29.09 | AnduinLothar | with 40ms latency? |
| 00:29.14 | AnduinLothar | for 10 min |
| 00:29.15 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 00:29.18 | groll | sometimes it takes like a few minutes for the server to realise something changed |
| 00:29.52 | groll | yep could most likely take 10 minutes |
| 00:29.56 | AnduinLothar | ah.. there we go... now it says the lowest rank |
| 00:30.10 | AnduinLothar | was server lag.. |
| 00:30.17 | AnduinLothar | crazy |
| 00:30.27 | Tem | I'm now sad that I missed blizzcon... I do an amazing murloc impersonation |
| 00:30.34 | groll | it seems the guild stuff has quite a low priority on the servers |
| 00:31.09 | AnduinLothar | had to pick something i spose |
| 00:32.10 | Tem | AnduinLothar: yeah the guild stuff is pretty low |
| 00:32.31 | Legorol | not sure it's just a question of priority, when you change someone's rank quite a few things need changing |
| 00:32.38 | AnduinLothar | ok, well i have bulk guild whispering and bulk promotion/demotion working as well as possible given low priorety |
| 00:32.40 | Legorol | e.g. ability to join officer channel, edit notes etc. |
| 00:33.00 | Legorol | the person's client has to be notified of this, and probably some security checks are made too so that there is no chance to exploit some bug in the system |
| 00:33.03 | Tem | just to keep my roster up to date without opening the roster panel, I register for Chat_msg_system and do this |
| 00:34.08 | Tem | http://wow.pastebin.com/463082 |
| 00:34.26 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 00:34.27 | Tem | but that only works if the user has the guild alerts on |
| 00:35.20 | Tem | I think what I'll end up doing is turning it on automatically but hiding it by hooking ChatFrame_OnEvent if the user doesn't explicitly turn them on |
| 00:35.22 | groll | hmmm 20,480KB is like 20 meg right? |
| 00:35.31 | groll | hm should be |
| 00:35.40 | groll | or am i to tired to get things right? |
| 00:36.07 | AnduinLothar | almost, yes |
| 00:37.02 | groll | bah crap isp then they say i can max run a 20 meg sql query.. yeah right..i managed to run a 4.5meg one but that was it |
| 00:37.22 | Tem | it's not exactly 1k kB per meg |
| 00:37.26 | Tem | but it's damn close |
| 00:37.37 | kergoth | woot, my rogue alt is finally 40. thank god. |
| 00:37.39 | kergoth | walking sucks ass |
| 00:37.41 | groll | ya well aprox 20 meg heh |
| 00:37.42 | Tem | haha |
| 00:38.40 | kergoth | anyone recall where the artisan cooking quest starts for horde? |
| 00:40.15 | Tem | what's 'horde'? |
| 00:40.17 | Iriel | same place as alliance |
| 00:40.27 | Iriel | Gadget |
| 00:40.45 | Iriel | Right? |
| 00:41.34 | kergoth | ah yeah, probably |
| 00:41.40 | kergoth | never done it before :) |
| 00:42.41 | Cair | yes |
| 00:43.24 | Iriel | I've never done it from the horde side, but I have a couple of times on alliance |
| 00:44.12 | pagefault | can't have too many shards |
| 00:44.21 | pagefault | I emptied everything in my inventory and I am stocking up |
| 00:44.22 | pagefault | :) |
| 00:44.35 | kremonte | undead rogues stink |
| 00:44.36 | kremonte | =( |
| 00:44.51 | kremonte | and since kergoth is horde, i assume he is one! |
| 00:44.59 | pagefault | they are about the same as ne hunters |
| 00:45.05 | Cair | >< |
| 00:45.11 | kremonte | but i'm not a NE hunter! |
| 00:45.19 | Cair | I am |
| 00:45.48 | kremonte | youre cair tho |
| 00:46.35 | Cair | Iriel is |
| 00:46.36 | pagefault | nerf murlocs |
| 00:46.49 | kremonte | Iriel is #1 british and #2 a genius |
| 00:48.28 | pagefault | it's only annoying when 39 year old guys that live at home play them |
| 00:48.49 | Cair | most people live at home ... |
| 00:48.50 | kremonte | 39 year old guys wouldnt live at home? |
| 00:48.51 | Tain | Nerf Britian |
| 00:48.53 | AnduinLothar | don't most people live at home? |
| 00:48.55 | kremonte | lol |
| 00:48.59 | pagefault | live at home as in parent's house |
| 00:48.59 | Cair | hehehe |
| 00:49.00 | pagefault | hehe |
| 00:49.13 | AnduinLothar | i mean, some people live at work i spose.. |
| 00:49.18 | AnduinLothar | or work at home.. |
| 00:49.27 | Tain | I live in confusion most of the time. |
| 00:49.31 | Cair | Tain: that's been happening O.O |
| 00:49.32 | Tain | Occasionally denial. |
| 00:49.43 | AnduinLothar | oo i like denial |
| 00:49.46 | kergoth | kremonte: i'm a troll rogue, actually. prefer the troll racial attributes |
| 00:49.50 | Tain | It's not just a river in Egypt anymore |
| 00:49.55 | kremonte | kergoth NO WAY |
| 00:50.33 | Tain | Way! |
| 00:50.44 | kremonte | no. every horde rogue is undead, its a fact |
| 00:51.31 | pagefault | why are you a troll rogue |
| 00:51.37 | Tain | I do have an undead Rogue on another server, but that's because I love the undead jokes. |
| 00:51.38 | Cair | he said |
| 00:51.56 | Tain | Roses are red, violets are blue, I'm dead... and I'm pissed off! |
| 00:52.00 | pagefault | I know, nevermind |
| 00:52.03 | kergoth | mainly for berserk :) |
| 00:52.08 | pagefault | troll racials are kinda useless now in 1.9 |
| 00:52.09 | kergoth | though the boost to regen rate is nice |
| 00:52.14 | kergoth | yeah, they're nerfing it :( |
| 00:52.15 | AnduinLothar | wish i could be troll undead.. |
| 00:52.16 | kergoth | *sniff* |
| 00:52.36 | pagefault | I wonder why the undead forget what language they used to speak |
| 00:52.36 | Tain | My love for you is like a truck BERSERKER! |
| 00:53.07 | AnduinLothar | death is quite a shock |
| 00:53.28 | kremonte | pagefault, gutterspeak is the same as common |
| 00:53.32 | kremonte | you just cant understand one another |
| 00:53.50 | kremonte | (Guards, Help me! in common is Goiben Uden lo, the same in gutterspeak) |
| 00:53.58 | Tain | When character transfers go up I can move my Dwarf Warrior named 'Whatfor' to Draka |
| 00:54.14 | Tain | Then I'll show you Whatfor! |
| 00:54.18 | AnduinLothar | we could all move our 60's |
| 00:54.26 | pagefault | i'd have to name my dwarf after some sort of beer if I rolled one |
| 00:54.35 | Tain | Yeah, I thought about it but I'd rather still actually play the game. |
| 00:54.40 | Cair | AnduinLothar: what 60? |
| 00:55.03 | AnduinLothar | the ones you have all winter to procure |
| 00:55.04 | Tain | Still, if I moved my undead Mage over it would be free teleports. |
| 00:55.39 | Tain | Because I've come to the conclusion that WoW is the slowest travelling game of any to date. |
| 00:56.08 | Tain | I guess it's too much to hope that they don't actually raise the level cap. |
| 00:56.19 | pagefault | it's going to be a very fun game if we get 10 more talent points |
| 00:56.19 | Cair | it's in the expansion Tain |
| 00:56.23 | AnduinLothar | you could totally become rich in wow gold by transfering after buying a ton of high lvl boes on an old server and sellign them on a new server |
| 00:56.32 | Tain | I know it is, but I can still hope. |
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| 00:56.53 | pagefault | conflag/ruin/soul link |
| 00:56.54 | pagefault | how evil |
| 00:57.11 | AnduinLothar | conflag itself is pretty bad |
| 00:57.49 | pagefault | it's great :) |
| 00:58.23 | pagefault | after the CoS/E nerf it will be one of the last DPS talents we have |
| 00:58.50 | kremonte | pagefault, its not getting nerfed |
| 00:58.50 | pagefault | because no more spanking a pally with a 1600 shadowbolt |
| 00:58.57 | kremonte | +10% based dmg now, heh |
| 00:59.04 | kremonte | i spank pallies with 2.5k SB's^^ |
| 00:59.12 | pagefault | yeah but thats worse than negative resistance |
| 00:59.21 | kremonte | not always |
| 00:59.26 | pagefault | for the most part it is |
| 00:59.28 | pagefault | i've already tested it |
| 00:59.28 | kremonte | you dont ALWAYS get vuln bonus, and itsn ot always extraordinary |
| 01:00.26 | pagefault | if it wasn't overpowered to begin with they wouldn't be changing it |
| 01:02.42 | Tain | That's not really a valid way to look at changes, always. |
| 01:03.07 | pagefault | plus people can resist hellfire now |
| 01:03.08 | pagefault | bleh |
| 01:03.12 | Tain | Things do get changed that aren't "overpowered" |
| 01:03.35 | Tain | It's just the man trying to keep us down. |
| 01:04.02 | pagefault | I still still enjoy releasing infernals in newbies areas though |
| 01:04.09 | pagefault | if they nerf that it will only be better |
| 01:04.21 | Cair | Fight the system, don't give in to the man, down with PST! PSCP instead! |
| 01:04.40 | pagefault | PSCP? |
| 01:04.49 | Tain | The sad part is it's people doing that that will get infernals neutered. |
| 01:04.52 | *** join/#wowi-lounge zespri (n=andrews@203-184-54-141.jetbuster.co.nz) |
| 01:05.02 | kremonte | pacific standard central power? |
| 01:05.07 | Cair | Please send carrier pigeon! |
| 01:05.09 | pagefault | haha |
| 01:05.14 | kremonte | rofl |
| 01:05.20 | pagefault | well it's not my fault blizzard designed the pets to attack anything in it's reach |
| 01:05.27 | zespri | Hello there. Is Lineage 2 any good? |
| 01:05.32 | Tain | No, but it is your fault if you do it. |
| 01:05.36 | pagefault | just playing the game |
| 01:05.50 | Tain | Yep. |
| 01:05.51 | pagefault | for all I know that was one of it's intended uses |
| 01:05.55 | Tain | Riiiiight |
| 01:06.04 | pagefault | because it's pretty much useless for anything else |
| 01:06.18 | Cair | zespri: no idea, never played it |
| 01:06.21 | Tain | You know it wasn't its intended use. You do it because you enjoy watching people get killed and knowing you caused it, that's all. |
| 01:06.23 | Gryphen | l2 is grind grind grind |
| 01:06.23 | Tain | Just admit it. |
| 01:06.31 | pagefault | thats what being a warlock is about |
| 01:06.41 | Tain | Uh huh. |
| 01:06.57 | pagefault | especially an undead one |
| 01:07.01 | pagefault | always working on the next plague, etc |
| 01:07.07 | Tain | Whatever you have to tell yourself. |
| 01:07.14 | pagefault | yep |
| 01:07.50 | kremonte | can you shapeshift whilep olied? |
| 01:07.52 | zespri | I mean in some countries l2 is much more popular then wow... and about almost any other mmorpg I've heard something bad. Haven't heard anything about L2 though... |
| 01:07.52 | kremonte | polied |
| 01:08.28 | Tain | Oh darnit I forgot I was going to start a Druid. |
| 01:08.29 | pagefault | it will take you almost 2 years to reach 60 in china |
| 01:08.51 | pagefault | with that 3 hour limit and all |
| 01:08.54 | Tain | Do all druid transformations have the same sound effect when you shift, or are they all different? |
| 01:09.00 | Tain | The actual shift itself. |
| 01:10.04 | kremonte | it sounds like mounting |
| 01:10.21 | pagefault | is the shift instant cast? |
| 01:10.26 | kremonte | yup |
| 01:10.31 | kremonte | but it shares global cooldown when you shift out |
| 01:10.38 | kremonte | lol i kept beating this mage |
| 01:10.46 | kremonte | "grrrr you suck i want to level a druid now" |
| 01:10.53 | pagefault | haha |
| 01:10.55 | pagefault | not hard to do |
| 01:10.58 | pagefault | they are busted |
| 01:11.01 | kremonte | druid is slow :( |
| 01:11.17 | pagefault | I think mages are next for an overhaul? |
| 01:11.49 | Iriel | Druid goes pretty quickly if you have others to play with |
| 01:12.02 | pagefault | there are almost no druids on my server |
| 01:12.04 | kremonte | Iriel - that's what i don't have >< |
| 01:12.06 | kremonte | or want, tbh |
| 01:12.19 | pagefault | not a widely played class |
| 01:12.21 | pagefault | like the warlock |
| 01:12.32 | kremonte | yup, the only 2 classes my guild is recruiting XD |
| 01:12.39 | kremonte | but shapeshifting is cool |
| 01:12.45 | pagefault | yeah |
| 01:12.52 | kremonte | hey look im a rogue now im a warrior now im a priest now im a...seal! |
| 01:12.57 | kremonte | *urf urf urf* |
| 01:12.59 | kremonte | hey red |
| 01:12.59 | RedcXe | kremonte stinks |
| 01:13.01 | MentalPower | On what server are the UI guilds? |
| 01:13.22 | kremonte | draka, MentalPower |
| 01:13.23 | Tain | The only reason I want to play a druid is ... |
| 01:13.30 | MentalPower | thanks kremonte |
| 01:13.36 | pagefault | haha |
| 01:13.40 | pagefault | I was wondering why drain soul wasn't working |
| 01:13.40 | Tain | So I can change the shifting sound effect to the Transformers sound effect. |
| 01:13.43 | pagefault | my inventory is full |
| 01:13.46 | kremonte | gg pagefault |
| 01:13.51 | kremonte | LOL Tain |
| 01:14.00 | pagefault | haha |
| 01:14.02 | Tain | That will provide me with no end of amusement. |
| 01:14.05 | pagefault | thats awesome |
| 01:14.14 | kergoth | nice |
| 01:14.30 | Tain | I will release it as a mod too. |
| 01:14.35 | kremonte | good |
| 01:14.37 | kremonte | i want it |
| 01:15.11 | RedcXe | kremonte is my friend. |
| 01:15.15 | kremonte | <3 |
| 01:15.26 | RedcXe | brb BAGELBITES lolz |
| 01:15.30 | kremonte | purl is my friend |
| 01:15.34 | kremonte | purl, are you my friend? |
| 01:15.42 | Tain | If I knew which actual sound file it was I could do it now. |
| 01:15.46 | kremonte | purl sucks |
| 01:15.59 | purl | You'd like that, wouldn't you? |
| 01:15.59 | kergoth | ~emulate chris |
| 01:16.01 | purl | When I stick this army guy with the sharp bayonette up my nose, it tickles my brain. Hah hah hah ... ow. Oh, now I don't know math. |
| 01:16.12 | kremonte | lol |
| 01:16.19 | pagefault | lbrs is a fun instance |
| 01:16.25 | kremonte | blackrock sucks |
| 01:16.37 | pagefault | nah I like it |
| 01:16.41 | pagefault | it's better than BRD |
| 01:16.50 | Tain | I love that one. "Now I don't know math." |
| 01:17.14 | kergoth | :) |
| 01:17.29 | kremonte | 18 mage whispers: can u give me aquatic form buff? |
| 01:17.35 | kergoth | haha |
| 01:17.44 | Depherios | ...lol |
| 01:17.57 | Legorol | whatthe? |
| 01:18.24 | Depherios | I had a level 39 priest ask me how I levitated XD |
| 01:18.40 | kremonte | lol |
| 01:19.13 | pagefault | noggenfogger! |
| 01:19.19 | Depherios | lol |
| 01:19.20 | kremonte | boo goblins BOO |
| 01:19.32 | kremonte | KOS with BB and ratchet, unfriendly with gadget |
| 01:19.39 | pagefault | haha |
| 01:19.58 | pagefault | the horde should be able to play them |
| 01:20.13 | pagefault | we need a midget race |
| 01:20.47 | kremonte | gnome.. |
| 01:20.49 | kremonte | dwarf... |
| 01:20.50 | kremonte | YOU LOSE |
| 01:20.57 | kremonte | trolls are the tallest race in thegame |
| 01:21.54 | pagefault | gnomes need a sit in garden racial buff |
| 01:22.14 | SP|Sorren | can you get the tooltips owner? |
| 01:22.15 | kremonte | rofl |
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| 01:23.25 | pagefault | out MT is now a gnome |
| 01:23.27 | pagefault | err our |
| 01:23.36 | kremonte | 1337 |
| 01:23.40 | kremonte | my warrior is gnome female, its great |
| 01:24.02 | kremonte | *waves* *thank > How generous!* :) *stabs you in the balls with a giant axe* |
| 01:24.09 | Guillotine | haha |
| 01:25.22 | kremonte | oh, and that crotch stab would have critted you for half your life, because thats what warriors do |
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| 01:26.32 | pagefault | oh nice we have a ninja on our hands |
| 01:26.42 | kremonte | what got ninjaed? >< |
| 01:26.52 | pagefault | magister's bindings |
| 01:27.28 | RedcXe | krem |
| 01:27.29 | RedcXe | look on aim |
| 01:27.36 | kremonte | its BOE isnt it |
| 01:27.44 | pagefault | yeah it is |
| 01:27.48 | pagefault | but he still ninjaed it |
| 01:27.49 | kremonte | everyone in my guild loots BOEs then trades them |
| 01:27.50 | pagefault | got it back though |
| 01:27.56 | kremonte | since we all shift click for elemental fires ;p |
| 01:28.25 | pagefault | these will fetch a pretty penny for me |
| 01:28.27 | pagefault | from some desperate mage |
| 01:28.53 | kremonte | you sell them>? =/ |
| 01:29.01 | pagefault | these yeah since no one needs it |
| 01:29.07 | kremonte | my guild banks them |
| 01:29.07 | pagefault | teir 1 bleh |
| 01:29.10 | kremonte | for new recruits |
| 01:29.41 | pagefault | what stops them from taking off with them after they have it |
| 01:29.52 | kremonte | a bad rep :) |
| 01:30.05 | kremonte | its not really easy getting into a raiding guild ATM on my server, especially as a mage |
| 01:30.07 | kremonte | hell, ask RedcXe |
| 01:30.14 | RedcXe | ? |
| 01:30.18 | pagefault | we usually always require a mage, for the water |
| 01:30.40 | kremonte | thats not it...heh |
| 01:30.44 | kremonte | there are a lot of mages |
| 01:30.54 | kremonte | my guild usually has 6 or so for MC/bwk |
| 01:30.55 | kremonte | bwl* |
| 01:31.26 | RedcXe | if they want me just for ZG im going to be pissed |
| 01:32.24 | kremonte | lol what a tard |
| 01:32.31 | kremonte | this warrior charges and demo shouts and aggros 4 pigs |
| 01:32.42 | kremonte | "heal me plz"..lol yea i wanna take hate |
| 01:32.49 | Tain | That's why I won't play my 60 mage anymore. |
| 01:33.03 | Legorol | Somethign hilarious: Compare the recommended level ranges for all instanced dungeons from the US site (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/worlddungeons.html) and the EU site (http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/worlddungeons.html), and you will notice that the two pages are identical except that the US site has higher level ranges for every instance. |
| 01:33.05 | Tain | And I don't have the 60 water summon. |
| 01:33.22 | kremonte | Legorol - lmao |
| 01:33.27 | pagefault | wow |
| 01:33.28 | pagefault | epic |
| 01:33.32 | pagefault | sash of mercy |
| 01:33.35 | Cair | *sigh* |
| 01:34.42 | pagefault | for druid |
| 01:38.25 | Guillotine | thats wierd. why isn't ZF considered a world isntance? |
| 01:39.07 | kremonte | world instance? huh |
| 01:41.45 | RedcXe | FOUR OH FOUR |
| 01:42.03 | SP|Sorren | is there any way to tell if your character is silenced? |
| 01:42.14 | SP|Sorren | or do i have to scan my debuffs for a silence dbuff? |
| 01:43.02 | pagefault | we have someone called ebolla, anthraxx and bacteria in our group |
| 01:45.41 | Kolth | SP: When you are silenced you get an error message about it. You could probably do something with that. |
| 01:46.52 | Legorol | Kolth, that requires you to attempt to cast something at least |
| 01:47.04 | Legorol | which you don't want to do just for checking if you are silenced or not |
| 01:47.21 | Kolth | Granted :) |
| 01:48.05 | SP|Sorren | surely theres an easy way to detect if you're silenced! |
| 01:48.14 | Kolth | Buff tooltips sounds about the easiest. |
| 01:48.19 | SP|Sorren | my cooldown mod explodes when you're silenced :( |
| 01:48.22 | Kolth | Kind of like how there isn't a good way to detect if you're mounted. |
| 01:48.37 | Kolth | SP, it messes up cooldown numbers? |
| 01:48.48 | SP|Sorren | well it shows a bunch of bars for every cooldown |
| 01:48.50 | SP|Sorren | when you're silenced |
| 01:48.55 | SP|Sorren | all cooldowns are set to 10 seconds |
| 01:48.58 | SP|Sorren | every single ability you have |
| 01:49.01 | SP|Sorren | tries to show up on my bars |
| 01:49.05 | SP|Sorren | and it explodes |
| 01:49.07 | SP|Sorren | ! |
| 01:49.22 | SP|Sorren | its quite cool |
| 01:49.23 | SP|Sorren | the first time |
| 01:49.29 | SP|Sorren | then after that its annoying :P |
| 01:49.39 | Kolth | ha |
| 01:50.15 | SP|Sorren | what silence debuffs are there? earth shock, silence, counterspell, spell lock...any more? |
| 01:50.17 | Cair | omg, you guys aren't actually talking *gasp* coding, are you? |
| 01:50.19 | SP|Sorren | does kick silence? |
| 01:50.31 | Tain | Don't point it out Cair or they might stop |
| 01:51.38 | Kolth | SP: Sort of. |
| 01:52.11 | Kolth | Kick silences per-school |
| 01:52.16 | kergoth | so does earth shock |
| 01:53.41 | SP|Sorren | boo |
| 01:53.44 | SP|Sorren | i dont have schools |
| 01:53.47 | SP|Sorren | how am i supposed to test this |
| 01:54.00 | Kolth | Read CooldownCount's code? :) |
| 01:54.02 | SP|Sorren | must roll borrow friend's characters 8) |
| 01:54.12 | Tem|Ony | earth shock and kick don't have debuffs |
| 01:54.12 | SP|Sorren | hey, thats a good idea. |
| 01:54.55 | kergoth | Tem|Ony: how can you tell if you've been prevented from casting by them, if they arent debuffs? |
| 01:54.56 | Legorol | noone on Draka? |
| 01:55.15 | MentalPower|PC | I am (String on Alliance) |
| 01:55.52 | SP|Sorren | buttons are different though |
| 01:56.25 | Tem|Ony | kergoth: you can't really |
| 01:56.27 | Kolth | kergoth: IsUsable() returns false. |
| 01:56.32 | kergoth | ick |
| 01:56.50 | Tem|Ony | all you can tell is that the spell is on cooldown |
| 01:56.54 | Kolth | I don't think Cooldown AddOns deal with silence-type effects |
| 01:57.08 | Kolth | And being prevented from casting spells in that school for x seconds isn't being silenced. |
| 01:57.20 | Tem|Ony | right |
| 01:57.58 | SP|Sorren | as far as i can tell |
| 01:58.59 | SP|Sorren | they dont really need to deal with it because the action bar buttons dont |
| 01:59.00 | Beladona | alo |
| 01:59.04 | Cair | Legorol: I'm on Alliance side |
| 01:59.06 | SP|Sorren | but since im grabbing spells from the spellbook |
| 01:59.07 | Kolth | Hello! |
| 01:59.15 | Cair | hey Bela ... sneak out of the party already, or not gone yet? |
| 01:59.18 | SP|Sorren | and checking if they have cooldown there, it futzes up |
| 01:59.22 | Beladona | we finished |
| 01:59.31 | Beladona | had a few drinks, so all is well |
| 01:59.34 | Beladona | =D |
| 01:59.37 | Cair | ;) |
| 01:59.59 | Beladona | sooo |
| 02:00.02 | Beladona | who, where? |
| 02:00.05 | Beladona | how much? |
| 02:00.27 | Cair | me, alliance, alone, how good you are determines price ;) |
| 02:00.39 | Beladona | you may need a bank loan |
| 02:00.43 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 02:00.47 | Cair | lol |
| 02:00.54 | Legorol | omg, Itemrack is soooo awesome! |
| 02:01.03 | Legorol | i'm just playing around with it, still getting the hang of it |
| 02:01.10 | Cair | gello is another author that rocks |
| 02:01.11 | Beladona | mmm, 153 Queue |
| 02:01.27 | Legorol | if i'm not mistaken, it's intelligent bar mod, wardrobe mod, weaponbuttons mod all rolled into one |
| 02:01.32 | Beladona | roxxor de soxxors |
| 02:01.37 | Legorol | i'm very impressed |
| 02:02.00 | Cair | rofl, you *have* been drinking, haven't you Bela! |
| 02:02.07 | Beladona | just a llittle |
| 02:02.12 | Beladona | veru mild buzz |
| 02:02.16 | Beladona | very* |
| 02:02.23 | Beladona | but pleasant |
| 02:02.34 | Cair | :) |
| 02:02.35 | Beladona | will write a dissertation on it for everyone later |
| 02:02.40 | Beladona | =P |
| 02:03.07 | Beladona | the bartender was pretty good |
| 02:03.13 | Cair | hehehe, will it look anything like the log I showed you? |
| 02:03.19 | Beladona | no |
| 02:03.23 | Cair | damn |
| 02:03.33 | Beladona | unfortunately my private stash of rum and coke is empty |
| 02:03.39 | Beladona | need to go shopping |
| 02:03.56 | Beladona | I do have to warn you |
| 02:04.12 | Beladona | I have been told I get very punchy when liqoured up |
| 02:04.30 | Cair | I liked the bartender I had at the concert at BlizzCon ... he liked the fact that a) I knew my drinks, b) I tip well ... he made me *very* yummy drinks |
| 02:04.40 | Beladona | mmm |
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| 02:04.44 | Cair | was pouring very generously :) |
| 02:05.05 | Beladona | we have 3 partners that run our company |
| 02:05.08 | Beladona | one of their wives |
| 02:05.11 | Beladona | ran the party |
| 02:05.18 | Beladona | another guy and I were cracking up in the corner |
| 02:05.32 | Beladona | because she was really having fun with it, and would pause to sip her drink |
| 02:05.42 | Beladona | I kept going "there she goes for another hit, oh, and again" |
| 02:06.15 | Beladona | we had a chinese gift exchange too |
| 02:06.20 | Beladona | was itneresting |
| 02:06.46 | Beladona | anyway, sorry to blather on, I am still waiting on Draka |
| 02:08.36 | Guillotine | im waiting on BG que... this is my last week of pvp (hopefully). im going for rank 8, then I'm done |
| 02:08.49 | Guillotine | then I can just pvp for fun rather than honor :) |
| 02:09.01 | Guillotine | actually, I love doing pvp. what I hate is the ques |
| 02:09.09 | Depherios | ditto |
| 02:09.25 | Beladona | when they open up character moves I am gonna move my main char to Draka |
| 02:09.38 | Depherios | I'll join, it'll take 2 hours, and it'll come up when I'm taking a leak, or almost done with a quest XD |
| 02:09.43 | Beladona | don't really care about PvP anymore |
| 02:09.49 | Guillotine | Depherios: yup |
| 02:09.56 | Guillotine | I just want the 4 item set bonus |
| 02:10.05 | Depherios | Doubt they'll let you Bela... probably only server type to server type |
| 02:10.14 | Beladona | nah |
| 02:10.22 | Beladona | $40? they better damn well let me choose |
| 02:10.28 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:10.32 | Cair | that isn't confirmed yet |
| 02:10.52 | Beladona | char select... what side? |
| 02:10.53 | Depherios | personally I hope its a bit more |
| 02:11.05 | Cair | I'm on alliance, no idea if anyone on horde |
| 02:11.06 | Beladona | $40 is perfect |
| 02:11.10 | Depherios | maybe 50 or 60... I don't want idiots moving around, and I don't want farmers using the system |
| 02:11.28 | Beladona | anything less than $40 will cause problems I agree |
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| 02:12.13 | Legorol | char moves? |
| 02:12.17 | Legorol | where? how? why? when? |
| 02:12.47 | Depherios | Wow, somehow, to move them, eventually... maybe |
| 02:13.06 | Legorol | but $40 is too specific to be just a rumour ;-) |
| 02:13.16 | Legorol | what stirred up the rumour? |
| 02:13.35 | Ktron | It's decided then, message Slouken and say that we've decided it will be 40$. |
| 02:15.43 | Tain | I'd rather decide on a lesser amount. |
| 02:15.46 | Tain | Say 40g |
| 02:17.12 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:17.14 | Legorol | ok, someone clue me up.. |
| 02:17.18 | Legorol | is there some substance to all this? |
| 02:17.23 | Legorol | something is in the air for sure.. |
| 02:17.32 | Legorol | even people on general forum are talking about $40 transfers |
| 02:17.36 | Legorol | where did all this suddenly come from? |
| 02:19.08 | Guillotine | hehe. someone nominated norganna's sigs as one of the best ever |
| 02:19.22 | Guillotine | oom =/= Out Of Mobs, plz get more |
| 02:26.34 | Cair | Legorol: ? |
| 02:26.40 | Legorol | swapping to alliance |
| 02:26.44 | Legorol | too embarassed to play horde.. |
| 02:26.51 | Cair | oh give me a break |
| 02:26.52 | Legorol | ;-) |
| 02:26.54 | Legorol | just kidding! |
| 02:26.58 | Legorol | i got you there, didn't i :D |
| 02:27.01 | Cair | I was *teasing* |
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| 02:27.07 | Legorol | i know i know :-) |
| 02:27.08 | Cair | yes, you did ... jerk :p |
| 02:27.24 | Cair | *snuggles Lego* |
| 02:27.35 | Legorol | i'm going to collect MentalPower from Alli side |
| 02:27.46 | Cair | he logged out |
| 02:27.52 | Legorol | hm, seems so |
| 02:27.54 | Legorol | ok, back to Horde |
| 02:28.19 | Ktron | Using GIMP, trying to remember if RLE compression should be on or off when saving a tga for WoW |
| 02:28.29 | Legorol | probably off |
| 02:28.30 | Ktron | and whether origin in bottom left should be on or off |
| 02:28.49 | Legorol | again probably off |
| 02:28.50 | Tain | I always leave RLE off, but I don't know if it has to be or not. |
| 02:28.58 | Legorol | better play safe, i'd say |
| 02:29.04 | Legorol | it's not like disk-space is a problem nowadays |
| 02:29.06 | Ktron | Legorol, Tain: thanks |
| 02:29.06 | Tain | Be daring. |
| 02:29.07 | Legorol | and you zip it up anyway |
| 02:29.09 | Tain | Be a rebel. |
| 02:29.36 | Ktron | I need to find a good internet tutorial on drawing interface art |
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| 02:34.06 | Cair | hello Fanook |
| 02:35.00 | Guillotine | hello Fanook. Welcome to #WoWI-Lounge |
| 02:35.53 | Fanook | greetings |
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| 02:42.18 | Guillotine | *sigh* another post about Decursive being banned... |
| 02:42.56 | Legorol | link it, let me laugh |
| 02:44.01 | Guillotine | k, but remember to be mature about it >.> |
| 02:44.04 | Guillotine | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=279764&s=new&tmp=1#new |
| 02:44.18 | Fanook | do we HAVE to? |
| 02:45.16 | Guillotine | as of yesterday, yes :( |
| 02:45.44 | Cair | Guillotine: don't make me hurt you |
| 02:46.04 | Legorol | me? mature? you know me, always! |
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| 02:51.41 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge is WoWI-Lounge. This is a *dev* channel. Don't spam the bot. No hassling Slouken about work. Get along or Get out. Beyond that, kick back, relax, have fun. |
| 02:51.44 | kergoth | *sniff* I miss you, cupcake. --Gir, from Invader Zim, after eating his cupcake. |
| 02:52.20 | Ktron | Think it's time to build up my GIMP brushes and patterns |
| 02:53.25 | Fanook | Gir is the best sidekick ever |
| 02:53.31 | kergoth | yes |
| 02:53.38 | kergoth | ~emulate gir |
| 02:53.39 | purl | i need tacos! i need tacos or i'll explode. that happens to me sometimes. |
| 02:53.48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:54.27 | Fanook | must...obey...taco man.... |
| 02:56.08 | kergoth | Zim: You haven't touched it? Something is broken and it's not your fault? |
| 02:56.08 | kergoth | Gir: I know, I'm scared too! |
| 02:56.55 | Fanook | Zim: Gir, self-destruct. |
| 02:56.59 | Fanook | Gir: FINALLY! |
| 02:57.21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:57.32 | kergoth | i wish they were still making new episodes :(( |
| 02:58.15 | Fanook | yeah |
| 02:58.36 | kergoth | gods, writing for that show mustve been the best job ever |
| 02:58.37 | kergoth | :) |
| 02:59.27 | pagefault | hah |
| 02:59.32 | pagefault | some desperate mage did buy those bracers |
| 02:59.33 | pagefault | 50g |
| 02:59.36 | pagefault | sold in like 20 min |
| 02:59.39 | kergoth | nice |
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| 03:23.26 | Cair | night Clad |
| 03:38.08 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 03:38.18 | Cair | *purr* |
| 03:39.45 | AnduinLothar | what'd i miss? |
| 03:41.26 | AnduinLothar | whee queue |
| 03:42.34 | Cair | not much |
| 03:56.27 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tcl70 (n=BABILON@dsl-195-227.hive.is) |
| 03:57.03 | Tcl70 | hello ppl |
| 03:57.13 | Cair | hi Tcl70 |
| 03:58.02 | Tcl70 | sry for stupid question but does any 1 know C++ ? or some thing |
| 03:58.27 | Tem | It's been a while but I was once quite good at c++ |
| 03:58.48 | Tcl70 | :D |
| 03:59.19 | Tcl70 | coz i want to make a small program and i dont know how to programm at all :P |
| 04:00.22 | Cair | Okay, this is going to come across as extremely rude, but darned if I know how to say it politely |
| 04:00.41 | Tcl70 | :))) |
| 04:00.57 | Tcl70 | i understand :P i'm extremly stupid |
| 04:00.59 | Cair | 1. If you want some help, use proper English, not lazyass leet speak |
| 04:01.19 | Cair | sry any1 coz ... not acceptable when asking about programming |
| 04:01.22 | Tcl70 | sry for that but it's the only english i know |
| 04:01.29 | Cair | bull |
| 04:01.34 | Cair | you know how to say "sorry" |
| 04:01.36 | Cair | and anyone |
| 04:01.40 | Cair | and because |
| 04:02.05 | Cair | if you can't write that in here, what on earth makes you think you'll be able to write code? |
| 04:02.11 | Cair | code won't accept crap like that |
| 04:02.34 | Tcl70 | what you what then it's all i know :P |
| 04:02.51 | Beladona | it makes it hard to understand you |
| 04:02.57 | Cair | You don't know how to spell "sorry" or "because" or "anyone"? |
| 04:02.59 | Tcl70 | iknow :-/ |
| 04:03.21 | Cair | then you need to go back to school, since those words are taught back in the elementary grades |
| 04:03.51 | Tcl70 | PS: i di never learn english in school |
| 04:03.57 | Tcl70 | did* |
| 04:04.46 | Tem | What /did/ you learn in school then? |
| 04:05.14 | Tcl70 | Russina / Latvian |
| 04:05.24 | Tem | interesting |
| 04:05.44 | Tem | doesn't russian use a completely different alphabet? |
| 04:05.57 | Tcl70 | yes |
| 04:06.00 | Tcl70 | Latin |
| 04:06.15 | Tem | that must be a pretty big adjustment |
| 04:06.26 | Tcl70 | ? |
| 04:07.24 | SP|Sorren | which is worse, any1 or ne1? |
| 04:07.38 | SP|Sorren | or my favorite, neone |
| 04:07.48 | Legorol | Tcl70, where are you from? |
| 04:08.01 | Tcl70 | Latvia |
| 04:08.02 | Beladona | I think the point is, most people find it extremely hard to help someone who can't get their meaning across in a legibile format |
| 04:08.13 | Cair | Tcl70: if you genuinely don't know English as your first language, I apologize |
| 04:08.22 | Tem | SP|Sorren: doesn't matter, they all make my eyes bleed |
| 04:08.38 | Tcl70 | Cair: it;s ok |
| 04:08.39 | Cair | but the rest of your statements were written well enough to make me believe that you were merely being lazy on those particular words |
| 04:08.54 | Legorol | Tcl70, please accept our apologies, it's just that a lot of people who speak English as a first language don't bother to spell properly |
| 04:08.55 | AnduinLothar | woot lazy |
| 04:09.06 | Cair | and I apologize for jumping to conclusions |
| 04:09.23 | Tcl70 | Legorol: it ok :P |
| 04:09.36 | SP|Sorren | how did you learn english then? learning it on your own is quite a feat :P |
| 04:09.46 | Beladona | :-B |
| 04:10.01 | Tcl70 | i did watch some time english tv :-/ |
| 04:10.34 | SP|Sorren | man if i could pick up languages like that i'd be watching foreign films all day :D |
| 04:10.50 | AnduinLothar | i suck at languages other than english |
| 04:11.06 | AnduinLothar | cept for maybe computer languages |
| 04:11.15 | AnduinLothar | which i pick up easily |
| 04:11.17 | Tcl70 | :-S |
| 04:11.36 | Cair | anyway, to get back on track, what were you asking for Tcl70? |
| 04:11.56 | Fanook | yes, what? i'm a comp-sci major :) |
| 04:12.20 | Tcl70 | well i wanted to know where i can find good guides to C++ or some thing |
| 04:13.15 | Fanook | i've always been fond of www.cplusplus.com |
| 04:13.29 | Tcl70 | tnx u :D |
| 04:14.53 | Stylpe | Speaking of languages, can someone help me translate something into german? |
| 04:15.08 | Tain | ~x en gr Hello |
| 04:15.11 | zespri | Cair, being non-english speaker you not always percive certain words as slang even when they are slang. Many people whose native language is not english learn english here in interent as well. And when sry and cos is wide-spread they don't really have means to tell that they are not kosher in certain circumstances. Of course it all goes untill these people are explicitly told not to use certian expressions |
| 04:15.21 | Stylpe | And purl doesn't qualify ;) |
| 04:15.46 | Tain | You don't like online translators? But they're so fun. |
| 04:15.50 | Cair | Aye, which is why I apologized zespri |
| 04:16.21 | Stylpe | Fun, yes. Accurate, no. |
| 04:17.45 | futrtrubl | cair, I'm about to uplaod a new version of BEB, with your framelevel options. |
| 04:17.51 | Cair | *purrs* |
| 04:18.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Nooooooooo |
| 04:18.14 | Stylpe | purl can't translate the word cooldown |
| 04:18.19 | futrtrubl | anymore requests oh Cair? |
| 04:18.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Despite telling WoW NOT to delete stuff it didn't create (or so I assumed) |
| 04:18.26 | Cair | I'll let you know ;) |
| 04:18.27 | ScytheBlade1 | It deleted all of my addons |
| 04:18.54 | Fanook | WoW shouldn't delete addons...cosmos on the other hand :) |
| 04:19.07 | zespri | It's ok Cair, I'm not attacking you, I'm just trying to explain background that I'm aware of =) Sorry if it sounded aggressively |
| 04:19.30 | ScytheBlade1 | It did |
| 04:19.33 | ScytheBlade1 | And it did a good job of it |
| 04:19.37 | Fanook | freaky |
| 04:19.39 | Cair | No, I didn't take it that way zespri, I was simply agreeing with you, and saying that when I'm wrong I apologize :) |
| 04:20.19 | Tem | do buttons get NormalTexture, HighlightTexture, and DisabledTexture elements automatically? |
| 04:20.53 | Fanook | running diff on big files outputting to screen is a pretty stupid thing to do |
| 04:21.16 | Tem | Oh, also PushedTexture |
| 04:23.41 | Stylpe | Hey has anyone tried making a char on a german or french server to ask about translations? =P |
| 04:23.57 | Beladona | you are trying to run a diff Fanook? |
| 04:24.27 | Fanook | i did run a diff, on very large files and let it output to screen, not very usefull in hindsight :) |
| 04:24.36 | Beladona | hehe |
| 04:24.50 | Beladona | if it was a wow file, I have diffs online |
| 04:25.11 | Fanook | no no, this is for a report i have due on thurs |
| 04:25.17 | Beladona | oh |
| 04:25.30 | Beladona | running a diff on your homework 0.o |
| 04:25.34 | Beladona | haha |
| 04:25.53 | Fanook | it's a simulation, comparing one set of results to another |
| 04:26.15 | Beladona | are they requiring a specific format? |
| 04:26.26 | Fanook | i defined the output format |
| 04:26.48 | Stylpe | Okay, does anyone know if/where I can find localised GlobalsStrings.lua? |
| 04:27.20 | kergoth | ~remulate is <reply> see emulate stewie || <reply> see emulate chris || <reply> see emulate gir || <reply> see emulate ash || <reply> see emulate zim || <reply> see emulate fry |
| 04:27.21 | purl | okay, kergoth |
| 04:27.24 | kergoth | ~remulate |
| 04:27.25 | purl | It's like you said! They try to end the hunger for sweetness.. in their.. RUMBLING.. UNDEAD.. _bellies_! |
| 04:27.48 | Stylpe | showoff |
| 04:28.26 | kergoth | ~remulate |
| 04:28.28 | purl | dooom doooom doom |
| 04:28.31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:34.49 | Cair | futrtrubl: beep me here when it's ready for approval |
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| 04:42.07 | AnduinLothar | dooom doom doom doom doooom |
| 04:42.56 | futrtrubl | ready |
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| 04:44.17 | Legorol | i totally crashed over here |
| 04:44.55 | Cair | approved futrtrubl |
| 04:45.03 | Cair | we figured that Legorol :) |
| 04:45.47 | kergoth | ~emulate gir |
| 04:45.48 | purl | to make room for the TUNA! |
| 04:46.29 | Tem | Tip: You can <Shift>Click on an item to send a link to that item into chat. |
| 04:46.36 | kergoth | meh |
| 04:47.04 | kergoth | need a job |
| 04:48.21 | kergoth | sent my resume to a recruiter at hotlinuxjobs.com |
| 04:48.31 | kergoth | thought he had a position that was a good fit, but it had already been filled |
| 04:48.32 | kergoth | bleh |
| 04:50.55 | Cair | =/ |
| 04:51.29 | kergoth | has another one that may be a possibility, though its less of a perfect fit than the other.. but its in new jersey, and i dunno if i want to move there |
| 04:51.38 | kergoth | not that i have a lot of room to be picky at this point |
| 04:53.15 | Guillotine | apply for a job at blizz |
| 04:53.19 | Guillotine | you can come live near me :) |
| 04:53.40 | kergoth | hehe. i could do the lua stuff, i know that well, but the ui positions tend to involve.. well.. UI stuff, which i suck at :) |
| 04:55.27 | Guillotine | you could be the garbage collecter :D I heard their running low one those |
| 04:55.41 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:01.01 | futrtrubl | thanks for your implicit support of my mod Cair. In a very legal and binding sense. ;'] |
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| 05:20.09 | Tem | kergoth: |
| 05:20.14 | Tem | whoops |
| 05:22.37 | AnduinLothar | Bah... u said /gc was untaken... it's guildchat.. |
| 05:23.30 | kergoth | ~remulate |
| 05:23.31 | purl | do a little dance! |
| 05:26.43 | AnduinLothar | party time |
| 05:33.24 | Fanook | woot! the Chinpokomon episode of South Park! |
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| 05:34.08 | Nomad_Wanderer | Crap.. When did this become a "Dev" channel |
| 05:34.17 | Nomad_Wanderer | :p |
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| 05:43.23 | Cair | Nomad_Wanderer: when I got fed up with it being a 'leet bnet script kiddie, whine about classes, act like immature idiots, embarrassed to even be in channel, let alone associated with it |
| 05:43.55 | Nomad_Wanderer | Sounds Like I missed some Drama! Did you get out the size 13's? |
| 05:47.45 | Cair | I don't wear size 13's, but I do wear pointy-toed stilletos ... |
| 05:49.44 | Beladona | night Cair |
| 05:49.54 | Beladona | night all |
| 05:49.56 | Cair | night Bela, night all |
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| 05:57.34 | Guillotine | g2g guys. ttyl |
| 05:57.58 | Guillotine | and look at the ui forums cair. you'll be very proud of me. i made a bunch of *mature* posts |
| 05:58.06 | Guillotine | oh. unless she's really asleep |
| 05:58.17 | Guillotine | oh well. ttyl guys |
| 05:58.19 | Guillotine | lol |
| 06:13.27 | Kolth | I want to know when I get a Killing Blow in a Battleground. I haven't yet found a way to check this except by reading the Battleground Score Pane (which is useless for my goal). Anyone have any thoughts? |
| 06:16.17 | Nomad_Wanderer | Wow.. those are nice boots. |
| 06:16.29 | Nomad_Wanderer | Walk over ya boots. |
| 06:18.01 | Cair|sleep | I usually try to avoid walking all over people |
| 06:18.02 | Kolth | Quite the saucy boots. |
| 06:20.52 | Cair|sleep | anyway, done approving mods and stuff, I'm out ... night all |
| 06:23.12 | Kolth | Goodnight! |
| 06:40.23 | Tem | Tip: When you learn a profession or secondary skill the button that allows you to perform that skill is found in the general tab of your spellbook. |
| 06:42.57 | Nomad_Wanderer | Wow.. what a nice tip. |
| 06:43.54 | Kolth | Orly, Tem? :P |
| 06:44.27 | Tem | I think I'm going to write an irc bot |
| 06:44.42 | Tem | just to slap people when they say "orly" "no rly" or "ya rly" |
| 06:44.43 | Nomad_Wanderer | You could write XML UI Code.. |
| 06:44.45 | Depherios | do not blow dry your hair in the bathtub... do not be stupid... your head, sits on your shoulders... |
| 06:44.45 | krka | for porn? |
| 06:45.10 | Tem | oh and /me points at topic |
| 06:45.14 | Nomad_Wanderer | So I have this button that I want to make two lines.. How do I force a word Wrap in the button text? |
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| 06:45.25 | Nomad_Wanderer | \n isn't it |
| 06:45.35 | Tem | what do you mean? |
| 06:45.52 | Tem | \n would do it |
| 06:46.04 | Tem | s/would/should/ |
| 06:46.05 | Nomad_Wanderer | I have a button called "Remove Bidder". Instead of having that button text be a long narrow wide button, I want to make it a 2 line fat button. |
| 06:46.29 | Nomad_Wanderer | "remove\nBidder" = Remove\nBidder |
| 06:46.47 | Nomad_Wanderer | Do I have to escape the slash? \\n? |
| 06:47.37 | Nomad_Wanderer | It's writing out the \n as text... not seeing it as a line wrap instruction. |
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| 06:48.48 | Tem | where are you writing this? |
| 06:48.55 | Tem | in the chat frame? |
| 06:48.56 | Nomad_Wanderer | Inthe XML.. the Button Text |
| 06:48.59 | Tem | oh |
| 06:49.36 | Tem | text = "Remove Bidder" |
| 06:49.47 | Tem | In your lua |
| 06:49.57 | Tem | er, ignore that last thing |
| 06:50.22 | Tem | Set your Fontstring to have an explicit width so it will wrap |
| 06:51.15 | Nomad_Wanderer | Got ya. I think |
| 06:52.06 | Tem | <NormalText> <Size> <AbsDimension x="40" y="0"/> </Size> </NormalText> |
| 06:52.10 | Tem | I' |
| 06:52.26 | Tem | I'm just guessing at the width you'll need to play with that |
| 06:54.34 | Nomad_Wanderer | Hmmm. There is this attribute wraponspaces="false" for fontstring |
| 06:54.52 | Tain | That's a 1.9 function, isn't it? |
| 06:55.07 | Nomad_Wanderer | I don't believe so.. I got it from wowUIDes |
| 06:58.11 | Tem | There is a 1.9 feature being added to allow that |
| 06:58.16 | Tem | I'm not sure if it was there before |
| 06:58.24 | Tem | as an xml attrib only |
| 06:58.34 | Tem | However, that's not what you want |
| 06:59.07 | Tem | FontStrings automatically wrap text as long as they have space to do so |
| 06:59.09 | Nomad_Wanderer | okay.. shortening the normal text just added a .... to the non rollover text |
| 06:59.18 | Nomad_Wanderer | Oh.. |
| 06:59.24 | Nomad_Wanderer | So I need to add more y space then right? |
| 06:59.28 | Tem | aye |
| 06:59.47 | Tem | if you set it's y dimension to 0 it will auto adjust |
| 07:00.09 | Nomad_Wanderer | huh? |
| 07:00.19 | Tem | (unless it has 2 or more anchors and "derives" it's height) |
| 07:00.38 | Tem | <NormalText> <Size> <AbsDimension x="40" y="0"/> </Size> </NormalText> |
| 07:01.03 | Nomad_Wanderer | Idid that.. and it made a single line, 3 letter with 3 dots textstring |
| 07:01.45 | Nomad_Wanderer | <Size> <AbsDimension x="0" y="24"/> </Size>? |
| 07:01.50 | Nomad_Wanderer | X=0 means no limit? |
| 07:02.20 | Tain | You want y=0, set x to a valid width |
| 07:02.32 | Tem | if you set a font string's width or height to 0 it will adjust itself for however large it needs to be to fit the text |
| 07:03.01 | Tem | however, if you set it to an explicit number it will not and it will attempt to wrap |
| 07:03.17 | Nomad_Wanderer | Hmmm.. I must not be understanding you then... Because I started with doing that.. I used <AbsDimension x="40" y="0"/> |
| 07:03.22 | Nomad_Wanderer | Oh are you saying <AbsDimension x="0" y="0"/> |
| 07:03.24 | Nomad_Wanderer | ? |
| 07:05.14 | Tem | no |
| 07:05.36 | Tain | ~vizzini |
| 07:05.39 | purl | Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips? |
| 07:05.48 | Tem | Let me splain |
| 07:05.55 | Nomad_Wanderer | please do |
| 07:05.56 | Tem | no there is to much |
| 07:05.58 | Nomad_Wanderer | ~nomad_Wanderer |
| 07:06.19 | purl | you are, like, a lua Noob, but trying! |
| 07:06.19 | Tem | I will sum up |
| 07:06.19 | Tem | that's not quite it |
| 07:06.19 | Nomad_Wanderer | purl, Nomad_Wanderer? |
| 07:06.22 | purl | rumour has it, nomad_wanderer is a lua Noob, but trying! |
| 07:06.22 | Tem | ~inigo |
| 07:06.24 | purl | He's right on top of us. I wonder if he is using the same wind we are using. |
| 07:06.36 | Tem | ~literal inigo |
| 07:06.37 | purl | "inigo" is "<reply>Hello, my name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father; prepare to die.||<reply>He's right on top of us. I wonder if he is using the same wind we are using.||<reply>You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.||<reply>Let me 'splain. No, there is too much. Let me sum up.||<reply>Fezzik, tear his arms off." |
| 07:06.48 | Tem | hah! |
| 07:06.50 | Tem | I was right |
| 07:06.54 | Nomad_Wanderer | hehehe :) |
| 07:07.08 | Tem | anyway |
| 07:07.42 | Tem | x="40" y="0" should work IF "40" is wide enough to fit the first word |
| 07:07.50 | Tem | if not then you need to widen |
| 07:07.58 | Tain | This sucks, I found out today what my year end bonus will be, but not when I'm getting it. |
| 07:08.03 | Nomad_Wanderer | 40 is wide enough to fit both words. |
| 07:08.15 | Tem | then shorten just a little bit |
| 07:08.17 | Nomad_Wanderer | it's wider than the actual button. |
| 07:08.24 | Nomad_Wanderer | got ya |
| 07:08.33 | Tem | so it's long enough to fit "Remove" but not enough to fit the rest |
| 07:12.19 | Nomad_Wanderer | :) How much fun is this.. reload ui.. try a new number.. not enough.. reload ui, try a new number.. |
| 07:13.39 | Nomad_Wanderer | eventually found a hppy number... worked liked a charm! thanks! |
| 07:14.28 | Tem | awesome |
| 07:14.48 | Tem | I suppose I could have told you that you could have programatically found the number you needed |
| 07:15.04 | Tem | FontSting:SetText("Remove") |
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| 07:15.29 | Tem | er, FontSting:SetText("Remove Bidder") |
| 07:15.40 | Tem | FontString:GetStringWidth() |
| 07:15.43 | Tain | Tem, will the fontstring layout update itself automatically in game if you were to change the size of that button with Visor, or anything else? |
| 07:15.58 | Tem | depends |
| 07:16.26 | Tem | it depends if the font string's size is directly related to the button's size |
| 07:16.39 | Tem | if it is, then yes |
| 07:17.10 | Tem | if it isn't, then no and you would need to change the fontstring specifically in addition to the button |
| 07:21.37 | Nomad_Wanderer | k.. I understand that.. |
| 07:22.13 | Nomad_Wanderer | how about changing gears, and asking about an update handler? |
| 07:22.34 | Nomad_Wanderer | I have a UI that has a button that I want to whisper each member of the raid. |
| 07:23.22 | Nomad_Wanderer | I understand that I need to write an onUpdate Handler. Can I attach the onUpdate handler registration to the button press, and disable the button, then after the 40th whisper, unregister the onUpdate handler, and enable the button? |
| 07:25.11 | sarf|stuff | OnUpdate is run every frame |
| 07:25.17 | sarf|stuff | You can do OnClick |
| 07:25.40 | Nomad_Wanderer | Yes.. I was told I probably need one, as I'm sending out a lot of whispers (~40). |
| 07:25.48 | Nomad_Wanderer | I might get booted for flooding. |
| 07:25.58 | Tem | 40 isn't too much |
| 07:26.01 | Tem | I did it today |
| 07:26.11 | Nomad_Wanderer | Really? |
| 07:26.20 | Tem | after we kill ony I always do this for helping with giving out the backpack |
| 07:26.22 | Nomad_Wanderer | I would prefer not having to write an onupdate handler at all. |
| 07:27.12 | Tem | /script for i=1,40 do SendChatMessage(i..": "..UnitName("raid"..i),"RAID") end |
| 07:27.32 | Nomad_Wanderer | So 'cept you need to tie in the raidlist.. but I get the point. |
| 07:27.59 | Tem | why do you need to tie in the raidlist? |
| 07:27.59 | Nomad_Wanderer | Unless. |
| 07:28.12 | Nomad_Wanderer | What is UnitName ("raid"..i) doing? |
| 07:29.50 | Nomad_Wanderer | I'm guessing it gets you the raidnames.. I jsut dont understand how.. I've always been using the getNumRaiders, etc. |
| 07:30.00 | sarf|stuff | raid1 = first raid person |
| 07:30.08 | sarf|stuff | (added in a patch ... 1.7? 1.6?) |
| 07:30.14 | Nomad_Wanderer | name, rank, subgroup, level, class, fileName, zone, online = GetRaidRosterInfo(i); |
| 07:30.22 | Nomad_Wanderer | Wow. So I don't need that anymore. |
| 07:30.23 | sarf|stuff | just like party1 = first person in party |
| 07:30.25 | sarf|stuff | nope. |
| 07:30.46 | Nomad_Wanderer | That's pretty slick |
| 07:32.07 | Nomad_Wanderer | You can use that as a reference into other functions right? like to look at a guild name, of raid index 7... |
| 07:34.34 | sarf|stuff | Err |
| 07:34.35 | sarf|stuff | Yes |
| 07:34.40 | sarf|stuff | It works like any other "unit" |
| 07:34.47 | sarf|stuff | such as "player", "pet", "target" and so on |
| 07:35.08 | sarf|stuff | Which is how CT_RAs Main Tank window can do "raid5target" ^^ |
| 07:36.09 | Nomad_Wanderer | Really cool.. so is GetRaidRosterInfo Pretty much deprecated? |
| 07:37.47 | sarf|stuff | No.. |
| 07:38.02 | Nomad_Wanderer | Something that functon provides that no other does then.. |
| 07:38.03 | sarf|stuff | It gives you a lot of info with only one method call |
| 07:38.16 | sarf|stuff | rank, for instance |
| 07:38.20 | Nomad_Wanderer | Sure.. but doesn't that also make it heavy? |
| 07:38.23 | sarf|stuff | subgroup |
| 07:38.31 | sarf|stuff | <shrug> |
| 07:38.41 | sarf|stuff | I think all names and stuff are stored internally |
| 07:38.47 | sarf|stuff | and it just retrieves info from a table |
| 07:39.21 | Nomad_Wanderer | Gotcha.. Then the inverse of what I said is what I believe to be true...Use GetRaidRo |
| 07:39.30 | Nomad_Wanderer | sterInfo all the teim.. :) |
| 07:39.31 | sarf|stuff | If you need that info, sure |
| 07:39.53 | sarf|stuff | however, for just sending tells, raidX may be better |
| 07:40.39 | Nomad_Wanderer | Crap.. Just pulled Wife aggro.. Have to go :( |
| 07:40.44 | Nomad_Wanderer | Thanks for the help |
| 07:42.12 | sarf|stuff | Gnrf. EU servers down for "maintenence". |
| 07:42.44 | Tem | heh |
| 07:46.15 | sarf|stuff | Oh well |
| 08:06.02 | futrtrubl | I'm not not licking toads... if anyone is interested |
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| 10:46.33 | Cair|sleep | lol, sawing logs are we sarf|lumberjacki? |
| 10:48.44 | Kalroth | actually it's because he's putting on his white lingerie |
| 10:48.55 | Kalroth | (all lumberjacks does that) |
| 10:48.55 | Cair|sleep | I just wasn't going there ;) |
| 10:49.00 | Kalroth | :P |
| 10:49.21 | Cair|sleep | some things are just over-sharing ;) |
| 10:51.03 | Kalroth | I'm of the sharing kind! |
| 11:03.56 | Cair|sleep | okay, seeing if I can pass out again |
| 11:03.57 | Cair|sleep | later |
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| 16:10.49 | Osagasu | Alex's Macro of the Week: I hate %$@!ing Shaman (for Druids) <-- </3 Alex |
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| 16:23.01 | Osagasu | Does anyone else find it wrong that a druid can set Cenarion Circle to "at war"? |
| 16:50.01 | Cair | kergoth: you there hun? |
| 16:50.51 | Beladona | quiet channel |
| 16:52.05 | Cair | very |
| 16:55.33 | Tain | Shhh.. be vewwy vewwy quiet. |
| 16:55.38 | Tain | I'm huntin wabbit |
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| 17:06.16 | *** topic/#WoWI-lounge by Beladona -> This channel is meant for Dev discussions only. Off-Topic conversation is tolerated but *WILL* be policed if it gets out of hand. Show each other respect, don't spam the bot, and don't bother Slouken about work. Otherwise have fun and relax! |
| 17:17.00 | kergoth | Cair: am now. just woke up |
| 17:17.10 | Cair | no worries, figured it out :) |
| 17:17.26 | kergoth | k |
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| 17:59.21 | Osagasu | Wow, Forgotten Chat breaks Sky's Whisper hiding stuff |
| 17:59.57 | Beladona | sky? whats that? |
| 18:05.22 | Cair | ~whaleslap Beladona |
| 18:05.24 | purl | I'll just grab a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh and slap Beladona over the head with it..... |
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| 18:05.38 | Osagasu | as far as I can tell it still WORKS, but it shows PMs you send under Sky |
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| 18:07.07 | pagefault | hey |
| 18:07.56 | Cair | yo pagefault |
| 18:08.35 | pagefault | what up |
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| 18:09.32 | Iriel | Morning. |
| 18:09.38 | Cair | hey Iriel! |
| 18:10.36 | Cide | morning |
| 18:12.22 | Beladona | hihi |
| 18:12.55 | Osagasu | where has Anduin been anyways |
| 18:13.37 | Tain | Who? |
| 18:13.40 | Cair | he's been around, you must just keep missing him |
| 18:13.41 | Cide | anyone has an idea of how you could detect if a warrior uses for example sunder armor? It's a stackable debuff, so you only get the combat log message the first time, and it doesn't even say who used it... Reason I'm asking is because someone claims he managed to do it, which sounds doubtful to me |
| 18:15.45 | Beladona | but he refuses to share how? |
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| 18:15.53 | Cide | yep |
| 18:16.05 | Beladona | see now, that is just assinine |
| 18:16.06 | Iriel | For an enemy ? |
| 18:16.27 | Tain | Does it show the warrior on his screen how many times it has stacked? |
| 18:16.35 | Iriel | yes |
| 18:16.40 | Cide | it shows in the tooltip |
| 18:16.43 | Beladona | yup |
| 18:16.55 | futrtrubl | the more I delve into EngInventory's code the more I go "wtf?" |
| 18:17.02 | Iriel | On-screen too right? GetPlayerBuffApplications(buffIndex) |
| 18:17.06 | Cide | yes |
| 18:17.10 | Tain | Well.. heh give the warrior a mod that whispers it to you each time. |
| 18:17.16 | Cide | that's easy |
| 18:17.25 | Cide | but he said he does it without requiring the warriors to do anything |
| 18:17.26 | Beladona | you can't make every warrior do it |
| 18:17.37 | Tain | Yes I know, i was being somewhat facetious. |
| 18:17.44 | Tain | Because I don't see how you could do it. |
| 18:17.54 | Cide | you "could" check rage usage, but several abilities cost 15 rage |
| 18:18.00 | Beladona | well, if he can do it (and he is being honest) then there must be a way |
| 18:18.12 | Iriel | Are they claiming they can see when it's CAST, or when it's USED? |
| 18:18.13 | Beladona | and we will find it ! |
| 18:18.16 | Cide | I'm sure he is |
| 18:18.24 | Cide | what do you mean Iriel? |
| 18:18.27 | Cide | it's instant cast |
| 18:18.27 | Tain | Being honest? |
| 18:18.29 | Iriel | Because i'd imagine monitoring the armor on the warrior's target might be a clue to the latter |
| 18:18.31 | Cide | yes Tain |
| 18:18.52 | Cide | what's the difference between cast and used? |
| 18:19.01 | Iriel | (I dont play a warrior much so i'm not remembering how it works) |
| 18:19.12 | Cide | ya, it's instant cast |
| 18:19.16 | Iriel | Does it affect the target, or just allow the warrior to bypass parts of the target's armor |
| 18:19.25 | Cide | affects the target |
| 18:19.37 | Beladona | basically their armor is reduved by 450 for each time ir is stacked, upt to 5 |
| 18:19.47 | Iriel | so you could mointor the target's armor |
| 18:19.49 | Cide | decreases its armor temporarily for everyone |
| 18:19.52 | Iriel | and watch it change |
| 18:19.56 | Cide | can you get armor for enemies? |
| 18:20.01 | Iriel | I think so |
| 18:20.02 | Beladona | yeah |
| 18:20.25 | Beladona | one of the Unit functions |
| 18:20.28 | Beladona | looking for it |
| 18:20.38 | Iriel | UnitArmor I think |
| 18:20.44 | Iriel | yup |
| 18:20.47 | Cide | base, effectiveArmor, armor, posBuff, negBuff = UnitArmor(unit); |
| 18:20.58 | Beladona | so you would need to get the target of the warrior |
| 18:21.01 | Cide | tested it on a skeleton, just returned zero... let me try it on some more mobs |
| 18:21.04 | Beladona | and then get the armor of that target |
| 18:21.40 | Cide | UnitArmor("target") returns zero even with sunder on it |
| 18:21.54 | Beladona | not I gotta try |
| 18:22.00 | Beladona | lol |
| 18:22.37 | Cide | even does on friendly players |
| 18:22.51 | Beladona | damnit, another test update |
| 18:22.57 | Iriel | Are you checking all 5 results? |
| 18:23.13 | Cide | checked first four |
| 18:23.25 | Cair | Beladona: another test update? |
| 18:23.33 | Cide | let me check negBuff too since I guess that would be the one that matters, hehe |
| 18:23.44 | Cair | this one new today? |
| 18:24.08 | Iriel | Does armor affect defense at all, or is it unrelated? |
| 18:24.13 | Cide | unrelated |
| 18:24.36 | Iriel | I notice I dont have a UnitArmor check in TargetCensus, so that tends to support the idea that UnitArmor is useless |
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| 18:24.37 | Cide | all 5 args return 0 on npcs |
| 18:24.48 | Iriel | How about PC's ? |
| 18:24.53 | Beladona | must only work on players |
| 18:25.02 | Cide | well, it works on myself |
| 18:25.10 | Cide | didn't work on a friendly player |
| 18:25.28 | Iriel | Can you 'derive' armor if you know how much damage you're doing? |
| 18:25.45 | Cide | doubt it |
| 18:25.50 | krka | says at the wiki:(Only seems to work for "player" and "pet") |
| 18:25.51 | Cide | it wouldn't be a very accurate representation |
| 18:26.04 | Iriel | it only has to be accurate within 225 |
| 18:26.19 | Cide | 225 armor isn't a lot though |
| 18:26.34 | Cide | and you want it to work right off the bat for it to log sunder |
| 18:26.48 | Iriel | true. |
| 18:26.59 | Beladona | what about getting the buff on a target |
| 18:27.05 | Beladona | or debuff rather |
| 18:27.11 | Beladona | by texture |
| 18:27.20 | Beladona | sunder is the only one that uses that one right |
| 18:27.23 | Iriel | That's a good question... |
| 18:27.24 | Cide | yes |
| 18:27.32 | Iriel | Doesn't show up as an application count? |
| 18:27.33 | krka | didn't that one only work for the warrior? |
| 18:27.40 | Iriel | debuff, debuffApplications = UnitDebuff("target",i) |
| 18:27.41 | Cide | not sure |
| 18:27.49 | Beladona | anyone can see debuffs on a target |
| 18:27.56 | Beladona | the question is the stack count |
| 18:28.06 | Iriel | I'd assumed that, given the discussion, sunder didn't show up that way |
| 18:28.16 | Beladona | trying it now |
| 18:28.16 | Iriel | but again, I dont play a warrior often |
| 18:28.24 | Cide | well, you can track the times it has stacked |
| 18:28.32 | Beladona | well |
| 18:28.37 | Beladona | what we really need to test |
| 18:28.37 | krka | trying it how? wouldn't you need a warrior to party with + a mob? |
| 18:28.46 | Tain | Hey Cair I've been meaning to ask you, what are some of what you think are "must-have" Ranger addons? |
| 18:28.47 | Cide | but say you have 3 warriors, you want to know which one used it and when |
| 18:28.52 | Beladona | is a warrior doing the sunder, and somone else dump the function |
| 18:29.09 | krka | won't all attacks and spells show up in the combat log btW? |
| 18:29.11 | Beladona | anyone on test? I have a warrior in Wetlands atm |
| 18:29.25 | Cide | and he got it to measure it correctly even when it's stacked to 5/5 he said |
| 18:29.27 | Iriel | Can you correlate warrior's rage drops with increases in the stack count? |
| 18:29.30 | krka | you might wanna specify server too |
| 18:29.38 | pagefault | wow |
| 18:29.39 | pagefault | http://wowskins.mmorgy.com/wowpics.htm |
| 18:29.41 | pagefault | nudepatch |
| 18:29.51 | Beladona | sigh |
| 18:29.52 | pagefault | it just had to be done eventually |
| 18:29.53 | Cide | Iriel: you might, but they aren't instant |
| 18:29.54 | Iriel | And he's not using a packet sniffer? |
| 18:29.56 | krka | lol "mmorgy" |
| 18:30.04 | Cide | it's an addon |
| 18:30.22 | Cide | Iriel: I tried to do an overheal meter that checked health gained versus combat log message |
| 18:30.28 | Iriel | Some people really need to get out more 8-) |
| 18:30.29 | Beladona | okwtf |
| 18:30.34 | Cide | and during a raid, the hp changed too much for it to be accurate |
| 18:30.39 | Beladona | test server uses its own login system doesn't it? |
| 18:30.45 | Iriel | Beladona : yes |
| 18:30.50 | Beladona | because I changed my password recently, and test is using the old password |
| 18:30.53 | Tain | mmm he has a visial graphic scanner that can identify the warrior sunder? |
| 18:30.57 | Iriel | Beladona : it's duped from the main one when test goes active |
| 18:31.01 | Iriel | and then separate from then on |
| 18:31.05 | Beladona | doh |
| 18:31.19 | Iriel | That's even in the test server FAQ 8-) |
| 18:31.38 | Iriel | Or one of the sticky threads (if not the FAQ itself, I dont recall) |
| 18:31.47 | Cide | heh, it's an addon according to him |
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| 18:33.27 | Beladona | yeah sorry I vaguely remember that, but it wasn't a concern for me at the time so I kinda ignored it |
| 18:33.41 | Iriel | This smells like those 'We have a working IM addon that doesn't break the TOS, We'll release it soon" people. |
| 18:33.54 | Iriel | who, i'll note, we haven't heard from in months. |
| 18:34.32 | Cide | well, it could be possible with a huge hack |
| 18:34.46 | Cide | like I coded CT_PetHealth.. that was fun |
| 18:34.47 | Beladona | hmmm |
| 18:35.54 | Beladona | UnitArmor is only used once in the ui files |
| 18:36.03 | Beladona | and that is to set the armor on your paperdoll frame |
| 18:36.17 | krka | you could make IM by msg a certain char that was always online, and that char was running a custom client, that just passed it along to IM |
| 18:36.44 | krka | that char would breaking the TOS though |
| 18:37.13 | Iriel | So that's a TOS violation, this was claimed to be TOS-clean |
| 18:37.30 | krka | wouldn't be a TOS violation for the users though |
| 18:37.40 | Iriel | You ran a relay program on your desktop, but then WoW client I/O was claimed to be something that didn't violate. |
| 18:41.01 | Cide | "my way is accurate :p", "combat log way isnt, since it doesnt give the info", "I'm the only one that runs the mod now", "as long as everyone's in range it's pretty much accurate" |
| 18:41.08 | Cair | Tain: sorry, was afk, huh? |
| 18:41.24 | Cide | assuming he isn't lying of course, but I don't think he is |
| 18:41.47 | krka | and it's not UnitDebuff? |
| 18:42.08 | Cide | can't tell who did it |
| 18:42.22 | Cide | and you can't tell if you do it when it's already stacked 5/5 |
| 18:42.23 | krka | hm, right |
| 18:42.28 | kergoth | <nullpuppy> -Funny Quote of the Day - Douglas Adams - "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." |
| 18:43.23 | Tain | Cair: Are there any addons that you use that you think really help Rangers? |
| 18:43.34 | Beladona | I think I figured out your sunder armor thing Cide |
| 18:43.34 | Cair | Hunters ;) |
| 18:43.42 | Beladona | just tested it myself |
| 18:43.42 | Tain | Oi |
| 18:44.07 | Cair | bc_Aspect, bc_Tracking, SmartPet |
| 18:44.13 | krka | do share |
| 18:44.23 | Cair | ask Iriel, he's played high end hunter though, I haven't |
| 18:44.25 | Beladona | first you get the target of the warrior |
| 18:44.29 | Iriel | Oh, what? |
| 18:44.35 | Beladona | then you do a UnitDebuff on it |
| 18:44.39 | krka | I liked RangeMelee, but now there are more powerful variants |
| 18:44.43 | Beladona | iterate through a few idenxes |
| 18:44.47 | krka | (changing action bar based on range) |
| 18:44.49 | Beladona | till you match the texture for sunder |
| 18:44.54 | Tain | Well seeing as my hunter is only level 9 I'm not tooo worried about a high level hunter yet. :) |
| 18:45.02 | Beladona | the buff application returns |
| 18:45.18 | Iriel | Oh, I've never seen the point in that, sorry... I can fit all my actions between the main bar and the blizz extra bar above it |
| 18:45.42 | Iriel | though bc_TrackingMenu keeps those out of the way, and I put aspects on a blizz side bar |
| 18:45.50 | Cide | Beladona: doesn't help much though :/ |
| 18:46.26 | krka | not for everyone, was useful for me when I played |
| 18:46.31 | Iriel | I wonder if it's an event thing... |
| 18:46.34 | krka | (before I made HunterPriority though) |
| 18:46.39 | krka | hunterpriority is the shit |
| 18:46.51 | Tain | And what does HunterPriority do? |
| 18:46.52 | Iriel | I wonder if UNIT_DEBUFF fires for the spurious sunders |
| 18:47.05 | Cide | UNIT_AURA? |
| 18:47.05 | krka | it allows you to map several spells to one key |
| 18:47.31 | krka | and it chooses the first castable from a priority list |
| 18:47.46 | krka | completely customizable |
| 18:48.01 | krka | http://kristofer.no-ip.info:8080/HunterPriority/HP_Data.lua |
| 18:48.03 | Iriel | Maybe that's the one 8-) |
| 18:48.11 | krka | here is my settings for it |
| 18:48.14 | Iriel | Whichever one causes a buff update |
| 18:48.42 | Cide | ya, unit_aura |
| 18:49.04 | Cide | it doesn't fire for raidXtarget though |
| 18:49.07 | Cide | only for your own target |
| 18:49.27 | Iriel | So this guy is tracking all sunders on all units? |
| 18:49.33 | Iriel | Not just his target? |
| 18:49.53 | Cide | only on raid bosses, but I assume he does it on the mob even if it isn't his target |
| 18:50.04 | Iriel | That may be worth asking |
| 18:51.16 | Beladona | my method would work, it would just be sloppy |
| 18:51.26 | Beladona | and I am betting that may be what he is doing |
| 18:51.36 | Iriel | How does yours catch overflows? |
| 18:51.44 | Iriel | He claims to know after 5 |
| 18:51.52 | Cide | and who did it, as well |
| 18:51.55 | Beladona | the fact that he refuses to share how he is doing it tells me he is sloppy about it anyway |
| 18:51.57 | Cide | in a raid you have 5-10 warriors |
| 18:52.04 | Beladona | uhh |
| 18:52.37 | Beladona | he knows after 5? |
| 18:52.37 | Cide | "of course by telling you trade secrets, I'd have no edge over the competition :p" |
| 18:52.37 | Cide | yes |
| 18:52.37 | Beladona | and why would you care about after 5, except to update the timer? |
| 18:52.38 | krka | must be catching some event from nearby player |
| 18:52.38 | Cide | because they still generate threat |
| 18:52.38 | krka | competition? O_o |
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| 18:52.42 | Cide | he's trying to do a threat meter... |
| 18:52.46 | Beladona | i JUST DONT SEE THE POINT |
| 18:52.46 | Iriel | Oh dear |
| 18:52.50 | Beladona | oops |
| 18:52.56 | Cide | which I seriously doubt he'll succeed with, but still, I'm very curious as to HOW he does it |
| 18:53.11 | Tem | I hope all the people that try to make threat meters have their faces melted |
| 18:53.13 | Iriel | Well, if he thinks that's possible, maybe his method is deeply flawed, but since it's not available for scrutiny, nobody will be able to show him that? |
| 18:53.17 | Beladona | so he is tracking sunder to log threat, AND armor reduction? |
| 18:53.20 | Tem | those threads annoy the pee outta me |
| 18:53.20 | krka | threat meter would be insanely useful but insanely difficult to do |
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| 18:53.29 | Beladona | hey Cide, is HE the warrior? |
| 18:53.34 | Cide | Beladona: to log threat through monitoring the number of sunders |
| 18:53.36 | Cide | no |
| 18:53.45 | Iriel | Do you have any past experience with this guy to imply he'd be inclined to be believable? |
| 18:53.52 | Cide | I talk to him often |
| 18:53.53 | Beladona | there is a lot more involved in threat than sunders though |
| 18:53.56 | Cide | he's made his own raid mod |
| 18:53.59 | Beladona | it wouldn't be very accurate |
| 18:54.04 | Cide | yes, but sunders are the hardest to track |
| 18:54.08 | krka | can anyone try to register for _all_ events and do a test? |
| 18:54.11 | Cide | the rest is cake |
| 18:54.11 | MoonWolf | ha, one change on blizzards side an the thread meters are useless |
| 18:54.14 | krka | perhaps something useful will show up |
| 18:54.23 | Tem | A thread meter is not meant to be, and IMO it would hurt the game. |
| 18:54.37 | Iriel | MoonWolf : They'd have to be useFUL to begin with, which I have doubts theyre not. |
| 18:54.38 | Beladona | granted it would be useful as hell but |
| 18:54.43 | Tem | If someone ever does succeed in making one, I hope blizzard bans the crap out of it asap |
| 18:54.50 | Cide | "(Cide): do you track it for your target, or any warrior's target?" |
| 18:54.57 | Cide | his reply, "any mob" |
| 18:55.10 | Iriel | Even untargetted ones with the same name? |
| 18:55.14 | Beladona | would love to see how efficient that is |
| 18:55.16 | Cide | no |
| 18:55.16 | Iriel | His reply is impossible |
| 18:55.17 | Iriel | period. |
| 18:55.20 | Beladona | <not> |
| 18:55.21 | MoonWolf | Sunders agro formula has been changed.. bye bye addon. |
| 18:55.31 | Cide | just raid bosses with unique names |
| 18:55.37 | Iriel | That's not "any mob" |
| 18:55.50 | Cide | well, I guess he means that it doesn't have to be your own target |
| 18:55.56 | Tem | MoonWolf: that would screw with warriors. I would hope they could come up with a better solution |
| 18:56.02 | Iriel | Did HE say "raid bosses with unique names" or did you infer that? |
| 18:56.24 | Cide | "what else you planning on adding to the mod", his reply: " multi-mob, talent/gear inspection, synchronization, small database for +/- threat" |
| 18:56.24 | Beladona | he can't be using the UnitDebuff trick then, at least not alone |
| 18:57.05 | Iriel | if NAME is important, then it HAS to be either combat log based, or messaging from raid members based |
| 18:57.08 | Kiliek | He's full of shit and just tyring to get attention. |
| 18:57.11 | Beladona | wonder how Blizz will feel about that addon |
| 18:57.16 | Iriel | Have you asked him if this requires all the warriors to be running his raid addon? |
| 18:57.30 | Cide | I'm sure he has a mod working decently |
| 18:57.35 | krka | also, does it work if the warrior is an NPC? |
| 18:57.46 | Cide | "my mod currently only picks up feigns in-group right now", anything you can think of that would work with that only? |
| 18:58.09 | Kiliek | why don't you just ask for a copy? |
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| 18:58.30 | Beladona | well if he is really after competing with you, he has to release it |
| 18:58.39 | Beladona | and when he does, we can easily see how he did it |
| 18:58.44 | Cide | he refuses to give me one, I tried |
| 18:58.48 | Kiliek | Oh, you're talking about vulture... hahaha. |
| 18:58.49 | Cide | I'm not competing with him :P |
| 18:58.51 | Kiliek | That dude is so full of shit cide. |
| 18:58.53 | krka | unless he's a kickass obfuscator :) |
| 18:59.09 | Iriel | krka: Nobody could obfuscate it enough |
| 18:59.09 | Cide | Kiliek: I doubt he's lying |
| 18:59.16 | Cide | obfuscation is useless |
| 18:59.18 | Beladona | I wouldn't worry about, there are so many holes in his theory I have doubts as to how stable it is |
| 18:59.19 | Iriel | Cide: I'm not sure he's lying BUT |
| 18:59.19 | MoonWolf | krka, with enough time someone will find it out. |
| 18:59.22 | Kiliek | uh, vulture has lied about 1000 things in the priest channel |
| 18:59.33 | Kiliek | he's totally full of shit |
| 18:59.44 | Iriel | Cide: I have a suspicion that he's either poorly wording his claims, or possibly mistaken about the efficacy. he may believe what he says, but it may not be true |
| 18:59.45 | Cide | Kiliek: we'll see if he releases it, I would still be interested in finding a way to do what he claims he did |
| 18:59.51 | Kiliek | He may be trying, but if you saw it you'd likely be unimpressed. |
| 18:59.52 | Beladona | no I believe he is working on it, and may have a halfway usable addon |
| 19:00.21 | Cide | possibly |
| 19:00.53 | kremonte | zomg, UnitThreat(UnitA, UnitB) |
| 19:00.54 | Cide | I mean, I can't think of any way to do it, and I'd say most people in here knows more than I do as well |
| 19:00.59 | Beladona | it just suprises me that he could come up with a clean, reliable, and non violating way to do this, when we can't seem to |
| 19:01.30 | Kiliek | He'll end up never releasing anything and saying he got too busy |
| 19:01.39 | Kiliek | like the 4000 other mod devs who said they were trying |
| 19:02.43 | Cide | we'll see |
| 19:02.58 | krka | did anyone use an event monitor to test what kind of info you could get when a nearby warrior did sunder? |
| 19:03.01 | Beladona | I am picturing a combat stats style addon that tracks all attacks that generate threat |
| 19:03.03 | Kiliek | and in cases of even the most sensitive aggro situations, good playing will do more than any mod would. even though it's a cool concept from a developer standpoint, the reality of it is tediously testing for values to put in for attacks. |
| 19:03.18 | krka | maybe a set of events was generated that could be spotted |
| 19:03.21 | Cide | only way I can think of |
| 19:03.27 | Cide | is checking if warrior rage decreased by 15 |
| 19:03.38 | Cide | and then check to see if it generated any combat log message |
| 19:03.44 | Beladona | thats not very reliable though |
| 19:03.50 | Beladona | hmm |
| 19:03.59 | krka | Kiliek, you could collect a lot of data and determine them automatically |
| 19:04.00 | Cide | if not, sunder, if there was one, it was either execute or heroic strike or whatever else takes 15 rage |
| 19:04.10 | Kiliek | krka, same idea though. |
| 19:04.18 | krka | except less manual work |
| 19:04.19 | Kiliek | it starts out a cool project and ends up data collection |
| 19:04.38 | Beladona | or track all debuff casts on the target, and then do a check on the ones that are likely to be threat generators |
| 19:04.49 | krka | do the other 15-rage spells generate a visible trace? |
| 19:04.56 | Cide | yes, I believe so |
| 19:05.00 | krka | 15 rage decrease + no event = sunder |
| 19:05.02 | Kiliek | I'm pretty sure you see "X is afflicted by sunder armor." |
| 19:05.04 | Kiliek | in the combat log |
| 19:05.06 | Kiliek | and that's it |
| 19:05.09 | Cide | Kiliek: one time, yes |
| 19:05.12 | Cide | it stacks 5 times |
| 19:05.15 | Kiliek | yah |
| 19:05.15 | Beladona | only the first time |
| 19:05.23 | Kiliek | ok i see what you guys were talking about before then |
| 19:05.25 | Beladona | stacks only show to the warrior I think |
| 19:05.35 | Cide | nah, it shows in the tooltip |
| 19:05.41 | Cide | but it doesn't even show as a combat log message for the warrior |
| 19:05.54 | krka | is there any list of warrior spells and their rage consumption? |
| 19:06.07 | Cide | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/spelllist.html?class=Warrior |
| 19:06.10 | krka | thanks |
| 19:06.13 | Kiliek | By far the easiest is requiring your melee (and anyone else in a similar predicament) to use a ui mod. |
| 19:06.28 | Cide | heroic strike, sunder, slam, execute |
| 19:06.35 | Cide | Kiliek: yes |
| 19:07.02 | Kiliek | not the most ideal of course |
| 19:07.05 | krka | ok, on execute you can check that the rage goes up afterwards |
| 19:07.14 | Cide | no need |
| 19:07.21 | krka | on heroic strike, you can check if the targets hp went down |
| 19:07.22 | Cide | execute gives a chat message |
| 19:07.25 | krka | there you go |
| 19:07.30 | Cide | krka: not reliable on raid bosses |
| 19:07.36 | Kiliek | does execute have a static hate addition? |
| 19:07.37 | krka | true |
| 19:07.38 | Cide | you won't do 1% with heroic strike :P |
| 19:07.42 | krka | heh |
| 19:07.46 | Cide | Kiliek: most likely it's linear to the damage caused |
| 19:07.54 | Kiliek | like any other attack |
| 19:07.56 | krka | can you check stance of a warrior? |
| 19:08.00 | Cide | no |
| 19:08.05 | krka | damn |
| 19:08.13 | Kiliek | can use it in two stances anyway |
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| 19:08.27 | kremonte | Cair has a clone! |
| 19:08.32 | kremonte | had* |
| 19:08.34 | Kiliek | srsbsns! |
| 19:08.37 | krka | ok, so the only confusion should be between slam, heroic strike and sunder armor |
| 19:08.49 | Kiliek | and heroic strike is also significant threat |
| 19:09.20 | Kiliek | could instead ignore the values of your tanks, and only track hate of the rest of your raid |
| 19:09.38 | Kiliek | and once someone who is being tracked pulls aggro |
| 19:09.46 | Kiliek | use that to float a value that is the preceived hate threshold |
| 19:09.46 | Kiliek | =x |
| 19:09.58 | krka | exactly, that's how you'd gather data |
| 19:10.03 | Kiliek | yah |
| 19:10.21 | Cide | hehe |
| 19:10.34 | Cide | funny how everyone says it's impossible, and now it's being discussed in here |
| 19:10.47 | Kiliek | i never said impossible ! |
| 19:10.57 | Kiliek | i said vulture is full of shit, and it'd be a pain in the ass ;) |
| 19:11.08 | Kiliek | i know delheru had something that worked ok for ascent too |
| 19:11.11 | Cide | I mean generally |
| 19:11.21 | Kiliek | but my raid guessing works "ok" too |
| 19:11.23 | Kiliek | ah ok cide |
| 19:11.28 | Iriel | what, threat measurement? |
| 19:11.28 | Cide | see any "looking for threat meter mod" thread |
| 19:11.42 | Cide | a |
| 19:11.43 | Cide | ya |
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| 19:11.51 | Iriel | Infeasible, is the general phrase.. You can make approximations that work in certain controlled circumstances |
| 19:11.54 | Kiliek | well, since any mod that is feasible has basically been done people are on the if it doesn't exist it's not possible thought |
| 19:12.05 | Iriel | But Not in general cases amongst general groups with large numbers of targets |
| 19:12.16 | Iriel | or even for that matter, mixes of classes, levels and skills |
| 19:12.31 | Kiliek | And when you start to talk scripted events, raid encounters, etc |
| 19:12.35 | Iriel | I dont doubt that a workable approximation can be made for the highly choreographed raid boss encounters |
| 19:12.38 | Kiliek | you can throw out whatever data collection you're doing |
| 19:12.39 | Cide | it would have to be regulated to unique mob names and level 60s most likely |
| 19:13.13 | krka | the only problem would be if different mobs reacted differently to different attacks |
| 19:14.01 | krka | I think that's true though... when I played, I noticed that some mobs immediately came for me if I applied Serpent String |
| 19:14.22 | krka | if I just attacked and avoided that, it stayed on my pet |
| 19:14.36 | Kiliek | well something like molten core, except for ragnaros the bosses aren't really special. |
| 19:14.44 | Kiliek | when you hit bwl, they're all scripted |
| 19:14.52 | Cide | not really |
| 19:15.01 | krka | ya rly |
| 19:15.02 | Kiliek | even like vaels ba has a -70% threat mod so your tank switches are more dynamic |
| 19:15.04 | Kiliek | ya rly |
| 19:15.08 | Tem | /slap |
| 19:15.24 | Kiliek | in bwl almost every single boss has something that varies from a run of the mill mob |
| 19:15.25 | Cide | that's still easily walked around |
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| 19:15.46 | Kiliek | not really easily |
| 19:15.51 | Iriel | But even so, that's not a 'threat meter' in the general sense |
| 19:15.56 | Kiliek | by time you had the mod working right (or right enough) it wouldn't work |
| 19:16.03 | Kiliek | or rather wouldn't matter |
| 19:16.04 | Cide | threat[unit] = threat[unit]*0.3 |
| 19:16.13 | Iriel | The people who are crazy are those who think they can generate a meaningful 'number' to represent threat in all cases |
| 19:16.14 | Cide | not very hard to reduce threat by X% after an event |
| 19:16.28 | kremonte | wing buffer! threat[unit]*0.5 |
| 19:16.31 | kremonte | buffet* |
| 19:16.45 | kremonte | damn dragons and their buffets, giving me hate and shadowflaming me for 5000 |
| 19:16.50 | krka | Iriel, well if blizzard can do it, why can't we? |
| 19:17.00 | Kiliek | cide |
| 19:17.00 | Cide | bwl bosses aren't really that scripted |
| 19:17.01 | Iriel | Because it's on the server |
| 19:17.01 | krka | unless it's random |
| 19:17.09 | Iriel | And they dont give us all the information they have |
| 19:17.16 | Iriel | We just get to see the RESULT |
| 19:17.18 | krka | but we have the ability to work it out |
| 19:17.19 | krka | in theory |
| 19:17.26 | Tem | speaking of not giving all the information they have... |
| 19:17.33 | Iriel | You assume that things like LOCATION are not important |
| 19:17.37 | Tem | FontStrings and Textures got the shaft again |
| 19:17.46 | Iriel | Tem: Eh? |
| 19:17.47 | Cide | nefarian is, vael is, chrom is |
| 19:18.02 | Tem | No way to get their type |
| 19:18.13 | Tem | GetFrameType is only on Frames and derivatives |
| 19:18.20 | Iriel | Well, they have unique methods |
| 19:18.24 | Iriel | so they're not that hard to identify |
| 19:18.24 | krka | location would be problematic in instances, yes |
| 19:18.27 | Kiliek | then you have to deal with: http://www.thottbot.com/?sp=19707 , http://www.thottbot.com/?sp=19195 , http://www.thottbot.com/?sp=21789 , http://www.thottbot.com/?sp=9204 |
| 19:18.27 | Iriel | SetTexCoord == Texture |
| 19:18.34 | Tem | yeah but any table can have those methods |
| 19:18.47 | Iriel | not from the core blizzard __index method tho |
| 19:19.08 | krka | when would you need to detect that? O_o |
| 19:19.10 | Tem | That true you could check the method against a known texture |
| 19:19.17 | Cide | Kiliek: they are triggered by an event |
| 19:19.22 | Cide | just multiply the threat by the percentage |
| 19:19.24 | Iriel | You just have to obtain the method at the start |
| 19:19.30 | Kiliek | cide, if you know the event |
| 19:19.40 | Kiliek | that's just stuff that they do triggered by events |
| 19:19.43 | Iriel | if (BlizzardFrame__index(queryFrame, "SetTexCoord")) |
| 19:19.46 | Kiliek | imagine all the server side scripting shit |
| 19:20.02 | Cide | they don't randomly reduce your threat by X% |
| 19:20.04 | Kiliek | you'd be making a mod that guessed whos gonna have hate based on what you learned about an encounter |
| 19:20.08 | Kiliek | not a threat mod |
| 19:20.12 | Cide | it's always triggered by an ability |
| 19:20.15 | krka | wouldn't BlizzardFrame.SetTexCoord work too? |
| 19:20.25 | Cide | well I shouldn't say walways |
| 19:20.28 | krka | or am I misunderstanding metatables again |
| 19:20.28 | Iriel | krka: because someone could add that method |
| 19:20.41 | krka | true... but that doesn't seem very likely :P |
| 19:20.50 | Iriel | SomeFrameThatIsNotATexture.SetTexCoord = function() return "No soup for you" ; end |
| 19:21.24 | krka | I like to assume that I am not playing with malicious mods |
| 19:21.30 | Iriel | Tem: Request those methods in the 1.9 thread, i'm sure slouken's bored and has plenty of time. |
| 19:21.35 | Iriel | krka: it may not be malicious |
| 19:21.42 | Tem | Iriel: hah |
| 19:21.53 | Iriel | krka: Imagine it's a frame that uses a bunch of subtextures to simulate a single texture with some kind of effect |
| 19:22.02 | Iriel | krka: It might implement a usable SetTexCoord |
| 19:22.10 | Tem | I seem to have dicovered that FontStrings and Textures don't have parents |
| 19:22.20 | krka | then why not let your own mod think it's a texture? |
| 19:22.37 | Iriel | krka: well, that is an option, but I assumed there was some reason you'd WANT to know |
| 19:22.46 | Tem | krka: Last night I was working on adding better FontString and Texture support to AceGUI and I needed to "frame" the fontstrings, but I needed the lua class to be able to work with an actual font string and a frame with a fontstring on it |
| 19:22.46 | Iriel | Tem: I think they're lightweight objects, compared to 'frames' |
| 19:23.02 | Tem | they aren't returned by Frame:GetChildren |
| 19:23.11 | Tem | and they don't have GetParent/SetParent methods |
| 19:23.21 | Iriel | They are part OF their 'parent' |
| 19:23.31 | krka | kinda like jesus / god? |
| 19:23.32 | Iriel | Rather than being separate entities |
| 19:23.35 | Tem | Exactly what I was linking |
| 19:23.41 | Iriel | krka: not really no 8-) |
| 19:23.50 | Iriel | Like your arms and your legs, compared to you |
| 19:23.52 | Tain | so they're the Holy Ghost |
| 19:24.13 | Tem | it just makes it annoying to encapsulate their use |
| 19:24.17 | krka | so jesus is an arm of god? |
| 19:24.27 | krka | stop being so weird! ;) |
| 19:24.53 | Iriel | Heh, satrina hopped in with an observation on threat models on the forum |
| 19:24.57 | Beladona | where did Cair go? |
| 19:25.00 | Iriel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=279941&s=new&tmp=1#new |
| 19:25.17 | Tem | I think Cair is poorly imitating someone with a stable connection today |
| 19:25.36 | Iriel | ok, off to get last minute pre-trip shopping done |
| 19:25.37 | Iriel | back later |
| 19:26.49 | kergoth | someone should make bumper stickers with a small wow logo, and "I'd rather be farming." or "I'd rather be fishing." or "I'd rather be grinding." after it |
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| 19:27.05 | Tem | aha! cair returns |
| 19:27.25 | krka | just waiting for iriel to leave I suppose |
| 19:27.32 | Cairenn | like it isn't already bloody cold enough, now we get to have power outages as well? |
| 19:27.36 | krka | don't really know why cair hates iriel so much :( |
| 19:31.10 | Beladona | I have a better idea |
| 19:31.18 | Beladona | a wow bumbper sticker that says "Aggro This" |
| 19:32.54 | krka | a damage meter combined with a counter for each type of aggro generation would work to some extent though |
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| 19:33.08 | Tain | "Train!" |
| 19:33.14 | kremonte | rawr |
| 19:33.21 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 19:33.36 | Tain | "My other car is a Gryphon." |
| 19:33.47 | Parak | "I overnuked Broodlord, and all I got was this crappy t-shirt." |
| 19:33.53 | kremonte | haha |
| 19:34.08 | kremonte | i overnuked broodlord, and promptly got 1 shotted by an 8.5k MS |
| 19:34.09 | Tem | So, someone in my guild just said "naga please!" |
| 19:34.15 | Tem | I think I'm going to die now |
| 19:34.21 | kremonte | naga stole my bike |
| 19:34.26 | Parak | rofl |
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| 19:35.17 | MoonWolf | bix n00ds |
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| 19:37.00 | Beladona | I so need to go home |
| 19:37.14 | Beladona | this is one of those days wher epeople are just overly stupid |
| 19:37.20 | Beladona | and I have to help them |
| 19:37.27 | kremonte | you a tech support? lol |
| 19:37.36 | Beladona | no, IT Director |
| 19:37.41 | kremonte | just as bad |
| 19:37.41 | Beladona | but they all ask me shit anyway |
| 19:37.53 | Beladona | get this |
| 19:37.58 | Beladona | one of our clients has dialup |
| 19:38.05 | Beladona | and he uses outlook express |
| 19:38.10 | Beladona | so he calls asking for help |
| 19:38.13 | RedcXe | i hope kremonte dies in a forest fire |
| 19:38.15 | Beladona | its not really my obligation |
| 19:38.18 | Beladona | to help him |
| 19:38.24 | Beladona | we don't provide it services to the public |
| 19:38.31 | Beladona | but I figured what the hell |
| 19:38.44 | Beladona | he says he keeps getting disconnected when he sends an email |
| 19:38.52 | Beladona | so I check all the usual junk |
| 19:38.55 | Beladona | everything is fine |
| 19:39.04 | Beladona | talk to him some more, and come to find out |
| 19:39.12 | kremonte | instead of hitting send, he hit close? :p |
| 19:39.25 | Beladona | ther eis an area on the bottom right of the status bar that tells you when it is sending, reciving, connecting, etc... |
| 19:39.33 | Beladona | he thinks that should always be htere |
| 19:39.39 | Beladona | even when the program is idle |
| 19:39.57 | Beladona | I tried to explain it to him, but he is insistent that it used to always be there |
| 19:40.06 | Beladona | lol |
| 19:40.16 | kremonte | lol public ftl |
| 19:40.31 | Beladona | my favorite is when people tell you something broke |
| 19:40.36 | Beladona | and then ask why it broke |
| 19:40.36 | kremonte | why do people call tech support/IT and always act all stubborn |
| 19:40.45 | Beladona | my answer is always "because they do that sometimes" |
| 19:40.50 | kremonte | lol |
| 19:41.03 | Kiliek | i say "because you touch yourself at night" |
| 19:41.05 | Beladona | my hard drive crashed! it was fine last week! what happened? |
| 19:41.15 | Beladona | hard drives aren't immortal dear |
| 19:41.25 | krka | mine is! |
| 19:41.28 | Beladona | lol |
| 19:41.29 | krka | no wait, that's immoral |
| 19:41.31 | krka | never mind |
| 19:41.33 | kremonte | well, are they mortal? :O |
| 19:41.36 | kremonte | lmao krka |
| 19:42.11 | Beladona | general people have this misconception that if taken care of all aprts on a computer should ALWAYS work |
| 19:42.19 | Beladona | they NEVEr wear out |
| 19:42.26 | krka | stuff with moving parts break. end of story. |
| 19:42.36 | kremonte | well, i suppose there is a uh, somewhat valid reason to think that |
| 19:42.42 | krka | even stuff without moving parts tend to break |
| 19:42.46 | kremonte | "but if i didnt screw with it how'd it break" |
| 19:42.52 | Beladona | not really |
| 19:42.58 | Beladona | no valid reason I can see |
| 19:43.18 | Beladona | you can take care of yourself, always eat right, and never act recklessly |
| 19:43.27 | Beladona | but you still eventually die of old age |
| 19:43.36 | krka | over my dead body |
| 19:43.40 | kremonte | but they rent alieve!! |
| 19:43.41 | Beladona | yes |
| 19:43.51 | MoonWolf | krka, that is the point. |
| 19:44.12 | krka | good point |
| 19:45.26 | Beladona | I need you guys to give me your opinion on something |
| 19:45.56 | Beladona | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4396 |
| 19:46.11 | Beladona | do you think it would be worthwhile to extend that same design to all the player bars |
| 19:46.17 | Beladona | separately draggable |
| 19:46.30 | kremonte | that looks like the nameplates o_O |
| 19:46.34 | Beladona | it is |
| 19:46.38 | Beladona | reversedf |
| 19:46.53 | kremonte | i like it |
| 19:47.03 | kremonte | how big is it like, relative to the current playerframes? |
| 19:47.11 | Beladona | exact fit to the bars |
| 19:47.12 | kremonte | (ive been thinking of making a minimalistic UI for my warlock) |
| 19:47.19 | kremonte | ooh! i like that |
| 19:47.32 | Beladona | can show you a screeny of it above my player frame if you want |
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| 19:47.41 | kremonte | sure, if you can |
| 19:48.09 | Beladona | it will have animation when I am done with it |
| 19:48.16 | Beladona | similar to the casting bar |
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| 19:51.09 | Beladona | http://0ctavius.com/wdnExpBarMod.jpg |
| 19:51.42 | Legorol | Beladona, very sexy |
| 19:51.46 | Legorol | only one problem though: |
| 19:51.49 | Beladona | ? |
| 19:52.02 | Legorol | lot of AddOns + the default Blizz UI use that space around the PlayerFrame to display information |
| 19:52.14 | Beladona | like what |
| 19:52.16 | Legorol | the default Blizz UI puts your group label there when in a raid |
| 19:52.24 | Beladona | the only thing that shows near there is the crown for group leadership |
| 19:52.28 | Legorol | DPS AddOns traditionally put their label there too |
| 19:52.47 | Beladona | bear in mind |
| 19:52.48 | Legorol | no, since 1.8 the default UI puts a label like "Group X" there when you are in a raid |
| 19:52.50 | Beladona | its draggable |
| 19:52.53 | Legorol | oh? |
| 19:52.55 | Beladona | yeah |
| 19:52.58 | Legorol | then it's very sweet! |
| 19:53.00 | Beladona | can be moved anywhere |
| 19:53.03 | Legorol | then i can put it under the PlayerFrame ;-) |
| 19:53.06 | Legorol | weee |
| 19:53.07 | Beladona | aye |
| 19:53.45 | Beladona | my question was if anyone though it would be worthwhile to make other bars like it for health and pwoer |
| 19:53.54 | Beladona | and disable the player frame completely |
| 19:54.00 | Beladona | obviously moving the icons that attach to it |
| 19:54.37 | Legorol | ehm.. what advantage would it have over the default health/mana? |
| 19:54.45 | Beladona | you could move them |
| 19:54.49 | Beladona | anywhere |
| 19:54.51 | Beladona | even separately |
| 19:55.02 | Legorol | well some people might like that, |
| 19:55.15 | Legorol | but to be honest there are gazillion player frame mods out there that only display health/mana bars and make them mobile |
| 19:55.22 | Legorol | so i don't think it'd be worth your time and effort |
| 19:55.29 | Beladona | its pretty easy |
| 19:55.57 | Beladona | just a matter of moving the current bar to a template and then replicating it for each bar |
| 19:56.20 | Beladona | I might do a proof of concept just to see how it looks |
| 19:56.54 | Beladona | my ultimate goal with this is to completely shrink down the space used by the default ui |
| 19:57.59 | Legorol | alt+z ftw |
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| 19:58.43 | Beladona | haha |
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| 20:13.35 | kremonte | i'm sure people have said about this before, but would it be possible to make a somewhat re-creation ofthe tradeskills window, and be able to view other guild members or misc. friends' tradeskills, what they can make, and the materials? |
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| 20:16.52 | SP|Sorren | how would i ensure that one texture shows up on top of another texture? |
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| 20:22.45 | Osagasu | Hmm. Do tradeskills even need hardware interaction, kremonte? |
| 20:22.53 | Osagasu | you know? |
| 20:23.08 | kremonte | no idea ._. |
| 20:27.49 | Beladona | Corren, put them on separate layers |
| 20:27.52 | Beladona | err Sorren |
| 20:32.36 | Osagasu | I know kaell is putting in Recursive Digdown in KCAH, and with Queueing he might be able to automatically queue up all the items up to and get the item you want provided you have base mats... |
| 20:32.41 | Osagasu | *Kael |
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| 21:10.42 | Tain | I was just reading an article about stem-cell research pioneer, Woo Suk Hwang. |
| 21:11.00 | Tain | I'm probably too old to be giggling at someone's name. |
| 21:11.03 | Tain | But I can't help myself. |
| 21:11.47 | krka | with a name like that, you're only hope of reproducing is through stem cell research |
| 21:12.30 | Kolth | Owned. |
| 21:12.40 | krka | DAMN IT |
| 21:12.45 | krka | WHY DID I WRITE "you're" |
| 21:12.47 | krka | I KNOW BETTER |
| 21:14.04 | Kolth | But you aren't even from an English-speaking country. |
| 21:14.15 | Cairenn | ... |
| 21:14.35 | Iriel | Neither are most americans 8-) |
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| 21:15.14 | Kolth | Oops, I kicked Cairenn. |
| 21:17.04 | Beladona | is there an event that just fires when the players hp has changed? |
| 21:17.08 | krka | Kolth, exactly, I should know better :P |
| 21:17.17 | Kolth | krka, hah |
| 21:17.20 | Kolth | Bela: Yes? |
| 21:17.21 | Iriel | No, you just have to deal with UNIT_HEALTH |
| 21:17.33 | Parak | and the joys of onupdate |
| 21:17.42 | Iriel | and UNIT_MAXHEALTH |
| 21:17.52 | Iriel | eh, you dont need OnUpdate |
| 21:18.06 | Kolth | I could've sworn there was a _CHANGED event. |
| 21:18.10 | Iriel | But I figured the word 'just' applied to both 'players' and 'hp' |
| 21:18.19 | Beladona | its for an hp bar |
| 21:18.28 | Iriel | UNIT_HEALTH and arg1 == 'player' |
| 21:18.36 | Iriel | ditto UNIT_MAXHEALTH |
| 21:18.40 | Beladona | thanks |
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| 21:31.53 | Cairenn | thanks |
| 21:32.14 | Beladona | the squirrels are getting hungry and have taken to chewing lines |
| 21:35.29 | Cairenn | Oh.My.God. |
| 21:35.36 | Cairenn | Just shoot me now and put me out of my misery |
| 21:36.10 | Kolth | Oh? |
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| 21:36.16 | Beladona | ~shoot Cairenn |
| 21:36.18 | purl | ACTION shoots Cairenn in the foot with a phase pistol! |
| 21:36.18 | Cairenn | another 5 cm of snow tomorrow ... and 25-30 on Friday |
| 21:36.24 | Kolth | Snow is great! |
| 21:36.55 | Iriel | I remember snow, it's that white stuff isn't it? |
| 21:37.26 | Cairenn | I HATE winter! |
| 21:37.55 | Iriel | another plus for southern california then |
| 21:38.12 | Cairenn | come up with a job for me :p |
| 21:38.36 | Cairenn | or more likely to be possible ... one for hubby |
| 21:40.27 | zespri | Snow is what you see when you go high on mountains, like when you want to ski or snowboard... |
| 21:40.43 | Kolth | Or telemark |
| 21:41.42 | futrtrubl | Snow is what I see when I leave my country |
| 21:43.28 | zespri | Cairenn, you are lucky, you can play snowballs =) Even with your kids if they are grown up enough! |
| 21:43.40 | Cairenn | >< |
| 21:44.24 | Tain | Lucky to play with snowballs is when it snows once a year. Maybe two. |
| 21:44.54 | Beladona | where Cairenn is, snowballs is when you get too much up your pant leg |
| 21:45.11 | zespri | Like when it snows once a year from november till february and then it stops snowing? =) |
| 21:45.34 | Cairenn | Oct - end of March, more like |
| 21:46.03 | Cairenn | hate, loathe, despise |
| 21:46.04 | zespri | Mind you, some of us live in alaska |
| 21:46.42 | Cairenn | ugh, no thanks |
| 21:46.54 | Kolth | Someone besides me lives in Alaska here? |
| 21:46.57 | Cairenn | Ontario is bad enough, not interested in any further north |
| 21:47.00 | zespri | I meant you |
| 21:47.03 | Kolth | oh :( |
| 21:47.05 | zespri | Kolth =) |
| 21:47.10 | Tain | Yeah, but what part of Alaska? Saying you live in Alaska is like saying you live in France. |
| 21:47.25 | Kolth | I live latitudinally with London. |
| 21:47.45 | Cairenn | besides, at least Ontario, while having to deal with winter, is still Canada ... Alaska is not only winter, it's also US ... blech |
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| 21:47.56 | Kolth | Alaska is not part of the US. |
| 21:48.03 | zespri | lol |
| 21:48.03 | Kolth | We're still faithful to The Motherland. |
| 21:48.04 | Tain | Alaska doesn't really count as part of the US. |
| 21:48.05 | MoonWolf | snow is cool |
| 21:48.18 | Kolth | The Motherland protects us from America. |
| 21:48.18 | zespri | I've heard this story already about alaska not beiong part of us =) |
| 21:48.20 | zespri | US |
| 21:48.23 | Tain | They'r eall different out there. |
| 21:48.38 | Kolth | Our Governor's name is 'Murkowski' |
| 21:48.44 | Kolth | How American is that? |
| 21:48.47 | zespri | Kolth, the Mothership? =) |
| 21:48.57 | Cairenn | Kolth: which motherland? |
| 21:49.02 | Kolth | THE Motherland :P |
| 21:49.06 | kremonte | lol |
| 21:49.14 | Tain | China? |
| 21:49.30 | zespri | China is close enough I think =) |
| 21:49.34 | Kolth | No, no, no, no! Mars! |
| 21:49.43 | Cairenn | *blink* |
| 21:49.57 | zespri | Look, He almost guessed it right! |
| 21:50.04 | Kolth | I, like.. have finals today. Ick. |
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| 21:52.10 | zespri | There is a noval by heinlein "Door to the summer", or something, I read it in translation, so I don't know the exact name. Very uplifting =) The cat trying to find summer behind every door in the house in spite that it's winter outside. but the cat hopes that there is a door that would lead to summer |
| 21:52.49 | Depherios | A door into summer |
| 21:52.52 | Depherios | I love that book |
| 21:53.01 | Depherios | own all his major publications ^_^ |
| 21:53.07 | Depherios | ALL of them BWAHAHAHAHA |
| 21:53.12 | Depherios | sadly, I've read every one of his books D: |
| 21:53.20 | Depherios | so I never get to read a new one ever again T_T |
| 21:53.47 | Depherios | The Door Into Summer rather |
| 21:53.54 | zespri | yeah, I know what you mean Depherious. I'm not as big fun, but I think that I read every book of him too. at least every major |
| 21:54.10 | Depherios | there's a few obscure ones |
| 21:54.16 | Depherios | and a few under aliases |
| 21:54.51 | Depherios | I don't have most of his aliased works, because they're almost all short stories in magazines |
| 21:57.14 | zespri | When I was 16 I read something that called 'I'll fear no evil' or at least that's what the translator did with the name. Now I think it's not the best his novel not even close, but when I was 16 it influenced me alot =) back that time I nick-named my girlfriend after the name of the main character =) it was 15 years ago |
| 21:57.41 | Depherios | second to the worst novel he wrote I think XD |
| 21:57.53 | Depherios | IMHO that and stranger were his two worst works XD |
| 21:57.58 | Depherios | still good |
| 21:58.08 | Depherios | "worst" being better than good XD |
| 21:59.03 | Tain | I've read a lot of his stuff, certainly not everything, but Stranger in a Strange Land is still my favorite. |
| 22:01.22 | Depherios | Actually, I've yet to read the unabridged For Us, The Living release they just recently published |
| 22:01.35 | zespri | Oh, I just noticed the new channel topic, Cairenn we are not supposed to caht about heinlein here only about lua and UIPArent and alike? |
| 22:02.07 | Depherios | bah... I'm on niven.freenode.net |
| 22:02.21 | Depherios | the servernames of this place decree we should be allowed to talk about scifi XD |
| 22:02.21 | Beladona | time to go home, yay |
| 22:02.53 | Beladona | you can tak about anything you want |
| 22:03.01 | Tain | I liked Ringworld a lot, but not as much some of the others. |
| 22:03.07 | Beladona | as long as it doesn't become disrespectful, or immature |
| 22:03.12 | Tain | Er I mean not so much some of the others |
| 22:03.26 | Depherios | I like most of his works |
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| 22:03.33 | Depherios | some of his cooperative novels though >:P |
| 22:03.34 | Beladona | anyway, back in a few |
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| 22:03.39 | Depherios | I keep trying to read Footfall and can't finish it |
| 22:03.56 | Depherios | I have ALMOST all of Niven's novels... |
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| 22:19.36 | Beladona | so has anyone written up an article on frame optimizations in 1.9? |
| 22:23.20 | Cairenn | :p |
| 22:23.43 | Beladona | lol |
| 22:24.22 | kremonte | is there any way to make a new chatframe, but make the text highlightable/copy-able? |
| 22:24.47 | Beladona | hiya Cladhaire |
| 22:29.01 | Iriel | kremonte : I'm not sure, but you might have to simulate a chat frame with an editbox |
| 22:29.25 | kremonte | is there a way to make an edit box readonly? |
| 22:29.42 | kremonte | is that how IEF does it? |
| 22:30.00 | Iriel | I'm really not sure, I dont tend to deal with editable text 8-( |
| 22:32.47 | cladhaire | Heyas Bela, evening all |
| 22:34.27 | cladhaire | I'm level 43 horde druid.. I need 3 gold.. where do I go? |
| 22:34.45 | Depherios | profs are my answer |
| 22:34.50 | Depherios | lol |
| 22:34.57 | kremonte | you roll alliance^^; |
| 22:35.00 | kremonte | (kidding) |
| 22:35.02 | Kolth | clad: Are you a female Druid? |
| 22:35.03 | cladhaire | boo =) |
| 22:35.09 | cladhaire | Kolth: nope.. male |
| 22:35.12 | kremonte | cladhaire- you can farm elementals near kargath |
| 22:35.13 | Kolth | Oh, nevermind :P |
| 22:35.24 | cladhaire | my only females are my NE priest and my paladin |
| 22:35.28 | kremonte | all their trash drops stack up very fast and vendor for nice prices, and elemental earth is a nice bonus |
| 22:35.39 | kremonte | + some xp tob oot :P |
| 22:35.47 | cladhaire | kargath? |
| 22:35.50 | krka | stone elementals in badlands FTW |
| 22:36.02 | kremonte | that town you smelly people have int he badlands :o |
| 22:36.10 | cladhaire | lol haven't been there yet |
| 22:36.13 | cladhaire | maube wy it didn't click |
| 22:36.16 | Depherios | lol |
| 22:36.21 | Depherios | it's worth running there then |
| 22:36.26 | Depherios | get the FP for Uld |
| 22:36.39 | cladhaire | I need to go to Theuadadasdn the Lost too while I'm down there, for princess quest |
| 22:36.43 | Depherios | so when somebody goes "want to come to Uld?" you don't have to spend 10 minutes running there |
| 22:37.07 | cladhaire | oooh its gonna be a long run from Hammerfall =/ |
| 22:37.08 | cladhaire | boo |
| 22:37.09 | cladhaire | k k |
| 22:37.10 | cladhaire | thanks. |
| 22:37.19 | Depherios | yeah, you have to run from arathi :P |
| 22:37.28 | Depherios | it's easy at your level though |
| 22:37.30 | Depherios | I did it at 33 |
| 22:37.30 | kremonte | hm how DO horde get there? |
| 22:37.35 | kremonte | through dun morogh/loch modan? |
| 22:37.40 | Depherios | have to go the same way you do |
| 22:37.44 | kremonte | :D |
| 22:37.45 | Depherios | through all those tunnels |
| 22:37.52 | Depherios | and all those dwarves ^_^ |
| 22:38.00 | kremonte | lol, good point |
| 22:38.01 | cladhaire | watch.. i get right near the FP.. and the WSG queue will pop |
| 22:38.04 | kremonte | yay ironforge mountaineers |
| 22:38.19 | kremonte | ooh nice, 3 swifftthisle from a briarthorn |
| 22:38.25 | krka | long runs are when you go and make a cup of tea |
| 22:38.42 | kremonte | krka - can't do that now without autotravel :( |
| 22:38.51 | Depherios | lol... the FP from Moonglade to TB |
| 22:38.57 | Depherios | is 9 and something minutes XD |
| 22:38.58 | cladhaire | h8 that FP |
| 22:39.05 | kremonte | wow Depherios.. wow o_o |
| 22:39.18 | Depherios | the one from UC to badlands is 8 and something |
| 22:39.24 | krka | sure you can :) |
| 22:39.25 | kremonte | yeesh |
| 22:39.26 | krka | atleast I can ;) |
| 22:39.34 | kremonte | how? >< |
| 22:39.40 | kremonte | my kitchen is 2 halls away |
| 22:39.55 | krka | private version, not really ToS compliant |
| 22:40.06 | kremonte | 8( |
| 22:40.17 | krka | haven't tested it since 1.6 or 1.7 though, I really stopped playing |
| 22:40.33 | kremonte | gnome cry makes me really, really sad |
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| 22:40.46 | kremonte | hey Guillotine |
| 22:41.02 | Guillotine | hello :) |
| 22:41.15 | kremonte | I got GM'ed today, i spoofed a link fooling around with my friend in guild chat, then some dumbass guildie linked it in STV |
| 22:41.31 | Depherios | lol |
| 22:41.33 | kremonte | 2 minutes later i'm at the IF AH and 20 people whisper me almost simultaneously how to do it |
| 22:41.44 | Guillotine | what did the gm say? |
| 22:41.46 | kremonte | then i get a GM call saying i was reported for using cheats -_- |
| 22:41.51 | krka | lol |
| 22:41.54 | Guillotine | haha |
| 22:42.04 | Guillotine | but you wern't. did he understand what DID happen? |
| 22:42.05 | kremonte | i sait it's just an addon, GM said it was fine |
| 22:42.06 | Depherios | lol! |
| 22:42.10 | Guillotine | nice! |
| 22:42.16 | Guillotine | now we have official proof that its ok |
| 22:42.22 | kremonte | well, not really =/ |
| 22:42.26 | Depherios | lol |
| 22:42.31 | Cairenn | glad you think so, but whatever |
| 22:42.32 | kremonte | i was, intentionally, really vague *cough* |
| 22:42.32 | Guillotine | well, we can blame it on the GM if we get in trouble |
| 22:42.39 | Guillotine | oh |
| 22:42.45 | kremonte | the GM just kinda dismissed it when i said it was just an addon |
| 22:42.58 | Guillotine | maybe we should stop then... |
| 22:43.05 | Guillotine | not sure |
| 22:43.15 | Depherios | I don't see anything wrong with it, so long as you don't go pretending to SELL them XD |
| 22:43.18 | kremonte | well, no saying for it, no saying against it |
| 22:43.36 | Depherios | if you say "WTS [link]" lol |
| 22:43.48 | Kiliek | i seriously want that autotravel |
| 22:43.49 | Kiliek | coz |
| 22:43.51 | Depherios | but just going LOOKIE WHAT I GOT [link] |
| 22:43.51 | kremonte | all i did was, after a guildie told me to die in a fire ( :( ) i said [well forseti will never get The Untamed Blade bwahhahhahahaha] |
| 22:43.51 | Kiliek | ... :/ |
| 22:43.53 | Depherios | isn't cheating |
| 22:43.55 | Kiliek | i miss it. |
| 22:44.09 | kremonte | then some dumbarse linked it in STV, people whispered him, he told them that i did it q_q |
| 22:44.17 | Depherios | lol |
| 22:45.42 | kremonte | ugh...2k xp/hr grinding, why oh why did i roll a druid |
| 22:45.47 | Kiliek | .... |
| 22:45.53 | Kiliek | what level? |
| 22:46.01 | kremonte | given 90% of the time i'm running around looking for herbs and chatting on IRC =X |
| 22:46.02 | kremonte | 19 |
| 22:46.05 | Kiliek | ah |
| 22:46.14 | kremonte | i did every quest i can in human lands, and i only wanna quest here for human rep |
| 22:46.49 | kremonte | http://www.counciloftirisfal.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=2203 |
| 22:46.55 | kremonte | that guy got so burned... haha... |
| 22:47.07 | kremonte | (avatar was the first 60 on warsong, and he's uh, stuck up i guess you can say? :P) |
| 22:50.34 | krka | Kiliek, if blizzard doesn't like it, i won't argue with them, so I won't spread it... someone made an AutoTravel resurrection though, but I haven't tried it so I can't say how good it works |
| 22:51.38 | Guillotine | it doesnt work well at all. I tried |
| 22:51.58 | Guillotine | even bashing the key as fast as you can (manuall) it takes about 20 times as long to get anywhere |
| 22:52.21 | Guillotine | and I *know* you wouldn't thinka bout using a program to bash it for you |
| 22:52.36 | Tain | No, it's people who use Nostromo's and the like. |
| 22:53.14 | kremonte | nostromo's? |
| 22:53.29 | zespri | of course we would never think of using a program, but Tain is right, Nostromo is nice |
| 22:54.14 | zespri | kremnote: gamepad |
| 22:54.21 | Tain | They're going to be simple enough to find when they want to get rid of them. |
| 22:54.26 | kremonte | ah |
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| 22:55.05 | zespri | I was considering buying http://www.gpstore.co.nz/Hardware/1462054.html before I left wow |
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| 22:58.20 | kremonte_ | grrr |
| 23:04.17 | Guillotine | hey! i got an email from curse-gaming wishing me a happy birthday. how come I didn't get one from WoWI? |
| 23:04.35 | Guillotine | lol |
| 23:04.39 | kremonte | happy birthday! |
| 23:04.51 | krka | wowi are heartless bastards? |
| 23:05.10 | kremonte | [#wowi-lounge [47] [+cnt]] |
| 23:05.21 | kremonte | remember where you are! ^^ |
| 23:06.33 | krka | I'm sure no one will take me seriously |
| 23:06.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, how can I just turn off the blizzard bottom action bar? |
| 23:06.38 | krka | it has never happened before |
| 23:06.49 | krka | flash it! |
| 23:06.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got flexbar installed, and I want the blizz stuff gone :D |
| 23:07.08 | Guillotine | I was actually just saying i think its really wierd when a site like that spends the resources to send out birthday emails... |
| 23:07.14 | Guillotine | scythe: use MoveAnything |
| 23:07.14 | krka | i only get taken seriously when I don't want to then :/ |
| 23:07.23 | kremonte | Guillotine - some forum systems to it automatically |
| 23:07.23 | Cairenn | http://www.savagevines.com/flexbar/ |
| 23:07.54 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: go to that link, that's the main flexbar support forums, they've got a script you can type in that will hide the bar, I just don't remember it off the top of my head |
| 23:08.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, hot, thanks |
| 23:08.06 | Guillotine | oh well. I don't want them to wish me happy birthday. its a dam computer. it shouldn't be wishing me happy anything |
| 23:08.35 | kremonte | <? mail(); // lol computers have feelings too! ?> |
| 23:08.39 | kremonte | leet hax birthday script^ |
| 23:08.48 | Beladona | isn't it /script MainMenuBar:Hide(); |
| 23:08.53 | Cairenn | Guillotine: I don't know that we've got the calendar enabled on our site, and as you say, it'd just be an automated message |
| 23:09.02 | kremonte | Beladona - yes |
| 23:09.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure enough it is |
| 23:09.21 | Cairenn | may be Bela, this is me, I'm stupid when it comes to that stuff, remember? I just know where to tell people to look :p |
| 23:09.32 | Beladona | hehe |
| 23:09.37 | Guillotine | I just don't like a computer wishing me happy anything... |
| 23:09.44 | Beladona | channel full of addon developers |
| 23:09.52 | Beladona | thats where you look |
| 23:09.55 | kremonte | Guillotine |
| 23:09.56 | Cairenn | so, do we gather that today is your birthday Guillotine? |
| 23:09.59 | krka | I'm sorry dave, but i can't let you age another year |
| 23:10.02 | kremonte | This is an automated message. Happy death. |
| 23:10.11 | Guillotine | cair: tomorow |
| 23:10.22 | Guillotine | so today in some places by now |
| 23:10.25 | Cairenn | Well, in case I forget tomorrow ... Happy Birthday :) |
| 23:10.28 | Guillotine | ty :) |
| 23:10.33 | Cairenn | and I'm afk a bit, back later |
| 23:10.40 | kremonte | yea, that server is probably eastern EU, and just hit midnight |
| 23:10.45 | kremonte | see ya, Cair|afk |
| 23:10.59 | krka | hey, if I traveled against the timezone direction, would I age 24 years in one day? |
| 23:11.17 | kremonte | wah, krka? lol |
| 23:11.19 | kremonte | 24 years? |
| 23:11.39 | Cair|afk | lol, theoretically krka |
| 23:13.03 | krka | since I'd get one year old everytime the day changed |
| 23:13.05 | Guillotine | ooo. pizza |
| 23:13.09 | krka | oldER |
| 23:13.30 | kremonte | so that would be 24 years in 24 days o_O |
| 23:13.53 | krka | no, the day would change 24 times if I flew around the world |
| 23:13.58 | Iriel | the problem is as you travel around the globe to cross it a 2nd time, you youthen |
| 23:14.06 | krka | you can't youthen! |
| 23:14.19 | kremonte | ..wa |
| 23:14.26 | Iriel | if you can age 24 hours by crossing the IDL, then you can youthen by 24 by crossing it in the opposite direction |
| 23:14.47 | krka | except that ageing is possible and youthening is now |
| 23:14.48 | krka | not |
| 23:15.46 | Iriel | well, obviously in reality, age is dependent on the fixed reference of the time at your place of birth |
| 23:16.41 | krka | meh, you ruined the fun :/( |
| 23:17.39 | Beladona | not if you slingshot around the earth and go back in time to steal a whale! |
| 23:17.43 | Beladona | oh wait |
| 23:17.58 | kremonte | this room is not safe |
| 23:20.23 | Iriel | but in your 'age relative to your location' world, you CAN get younger by travelling rapidly west |
| 23:20.46 | Iriel | It's just a limited effect,because the moment you cross the IDL you age it back |
| 23:20.52 | Beladona | hey, the Harvard Medical School reported that keyboards do NOT cause carpal tunnel directly |
| 23:21.01 | kremonte | what does? |
| 23:21.09 | kremonte | hand positioning or whatever? |
| 23:21.27 | Beladona | http://www.betanews.com/article/Study_Refutes_Keyboard_Carpal_Link/1134600154 |
| 23:21.47 | Beladona | now I can get my wife off my back |
| 23:21.49 | Beladona | haha |
| 23:22.19 | kremonte | lol, harvard ftw? :p |
| 23:23.02 | Beladona | oh boy -- ms is testing exchange server 12 |
| 23:23.13 | Beladona | but it will only run on 64bit |
| 23:52.52 | kergoth | ~remulate |
| 23:52.57 | purl | Words. Nothing but sweet, sweet words that turn into bitter orange wax in my ears. |
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