| 00:11.14 | Iriel | I wont know until I get home, but I dont think so, from the forum the pain seems to be that they cleaned up some realm names (or maybe just ONE realm name) |
| 00:11.48 | Codayus | Cleaned up? |
| 00:11.54 | GUIllotine | also, ppl aren't getting any marks of honor for BG losses |
| 00:12.17 | Astryl | Even when they're longer than 10 min? |
| 00:12.31 | GUIllotine | yup |
| 00:12.39 | Codayus | Heh, thats funny as hell. |
| 00:12.39 | GUIllotine | caydium says its known bug |
| 00:12.51 | GUIllotine | its sad that they let that go through to live... |
| 00:12.58 | GUIllotine | it would have taken 1 test to see it |
| 00:13.19 | Codayus | I wish I was more surprised. |
| 00:14.06 | kergoth | damn |
| 00:14.07 | kergoth | thats sad |
| 00:14.36 | GUIllotine | and who know show long until its fixed |
| 00:14.59 | Codayus | Hey! I was thinking - maybe they should make some sort of public test realm where they can try out these changes before they go live! |
| 00:15.16 | GUIllotine | though if instead it was giving DOUBLE marks, we all know servers would be down right now having it fixed |
| 00:15.25 | Codayus | It's a radical idea, I know, but I think it could work! |
| 00:15.57 | GUIllotine | lol |
| 00:16.00 | GUIllotine | seriously |
| 00:16.40 | Codayus | On a more serious note, I wonder if there was some sort of wave of people farming Bgs for honor by trading 1min losses ror something? |
| 00:17.23 | Codayus | I didn't hear of anything like that, but I don't eally have sources in those kids of circles. |
| 00:17.56 | Codayus | (sorry for typos. Using a pda on a train.) |
| 00:18.11 | GUIllotine | i heard it was mainly from ppl spending their time fishing in AB rather than fightin |
| 00:18.34 | Codayus | .......fishing? |
| 00:18.41 | cladhaire | lol |
| 00:18.45 | GUIllotine | theres a thread about it in the general forums |
| 00:18.57 | Codayus | but....oh. so they'd still get a token without work? |
| 00:19.03 | GUIllotine | that hasn't been a problem on our server, but *shrug* |
| 00:19.05 | GUIllotine | ya |
| 00:19.07 | Codayus | and hey, free fish too. |
| 00:19.10 | Codayus | thats so sad. |
| 00:19.11 | GUIllotine | they got to get a free token and free fish |
| 00:19.18 | GUIllotine | b/c BG actually have some really good fish |
| 00:19.35 | Codayus | and no, wasn't a problem on my realm. But then, we never have a AB up. :-/ |
| 00:19.39 | Codayus | Really? |
| 00:20.59 | Codayus | I could see it, almost, in a raid instance. |
| 00:21.18 | Codayus | Maybe +fire resist fish from MC? Have to be cooked on the forge in BRD? :-) |
| 00:23.38 | kergoth | thatd be funny. the guild schedules fishing time a certain way through the run |
| 00:25.13 | Astryl | Heh |
| 00:28.32 | Kolth | Is there a CooldownCount-like addon written in Ace? |
| 00:29.28 | Cair | and that, Astryl, is a perfect example of why I'm *not* so sure I want to apply for that job, even if it comes open again in a year's time |
| 00:31.38 | Codayus | Heh, yeah. |
| 00:32.03 | Codayus | Being a CM on the forums must be an awful job. |
| 00:32.24 | Cair | and that's what that position is, if I read it correctly |
| 00:33.45 | Cair | so on the one hand, while I'd love to work for Blizz, and I'm probably quite qualified for it, I don't know how well I'd deal with all the hate that goes along with all the love |
| 00:34.04 | Osagasu | BAN! |
| 00:34.07 | Cair | heh |
| 00:34.16 | Osagasu | BANANANANANANANA |
| 00:34.26 | Cair | I'll admit it, I don't like it when people don't like me |
| 00:34.34 | Cair | it makes me really sad |
| 00:34.44 | Tain | But when Eric eats a banana he becomes... Bananaman! |
| 00:34.59 | Cair | I don't think I could deal with it for an extended period of time |
| 00:36.05 | GUIllotine | but nobody would hate you! you would be the most loved CM ever! |
| 00:36.23 | Cair | not |
| 00:36.24 | Tain | Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers. |
| 00:36.51 | Osagasu | just show them a picture of you |
| 00:36.54 | Cair | hah |
| 00:36.55 | Osagasu | THEN They'd love you |
| 00:36.56 | GUIllotine | haha |
| 00:37.03 | Cair | then they'd run screaming |
| 00:37.09 | GUIllotine | then she'd start getting stalkers for real |
| 00:37.14 | Osagasu | now now... that's not true... |
| 00:37.22 | Osagasu | they'd either run or scream, NOT both |
| 00:37.27 | Cair | :p |
| 00:37.30 | Osagasu | :3 |
| 00:37.31 | GUIllotine | haha |
| 00:37.36 | Cair | so meen |
| 00:37.40 | Osagasu | I know |
| 00:37.47 | Osagasu | but you love me anyways. ;) |
| 00:37.56 | GUIllotine | pfft |
| 00:38.06 | Osagasu | Guillotine doesn't though |
| 00:38.14 | Cair | I do? |
| 00:38.17 | Cair | oh right, I do |
| 00:38.22 | Tain | He should be GuilloMEAN |
| 00:38.23 | Osagasu | ;_: |
| 00:38.29 | Guillotine | awwwww. Thats not true... |
| 00:38.34 | Cair | *rolls her eyes* |
| 00:38.35 | Guillotine | i love you as much as anyone else |
| 00:38.55 | Guillotine | at least anyone that knows nothing but your online name... |
| 00:39.05 | Osagasu | Any'one Els'e doesn't love me |
| 00:39.08 | Guillotine | for all I know you could be a murderer |
| 00:39.27 | Tain | That doesn't necessarily make someone a bad person. |
| 00:39.33 | Guillotine | ... |
| 00:39.35 | Guillotine | lol |
| 00:39.58 | Osagasu | Gearge Bush is a murderer, but he isn't-- oh nevermind, he's a bastard. |
| 00:40.55 | Osagasu | I can't think of a single murderer who was a really nice person |
| 00:41.08 | Osagasu | the only one I can thing of is Teddy. |
| 00:41.12 | Osagasu | and he's dead. |
| 00:41.13 | Tain | How many do you know? |
| 00:41.51 | Osagasu | I know enough that I can not only find where you live, but I can track you every inch of your life till the last day of your life if I so choose. |
| 00:42.01 | Osagasu | for instance, someone in Sweden died a few days ago... :P |
| 00:42.30 | Osagasu | speaking of that, where's Cide? |
| 00:42.41 | Astryl | You sound kinda like the guy that stalked me across continents a few years ago... |
| 00:42.52 | Tain | How many continents? |
| 00:42.55 | Osagasu | 7 |
| 00:43.01 | Osagasu | >.> |
| 00:43.03 | Astryl | 2-3 |
| 00:43.06 | Tain | Oh. |
| 00:43.10 | Tain | He wasn't that comitted then. |
| 00:43.23 | Astryl | Australia, NA, maybe Asia |
| 00:43.48 | Osagasu | Astryl, who are you? |
| 00:44.11 | Astryl | Åstro the Space Duck |
| 00:44.23 | Tain | Why, does that story sound a little too familiar, Osagasu? What have you been doing the last few years? |
| 00:44.38 | Osagasu | the last few years I've been in High School |
| 00:44.57 | Tain | High School.. that's code for Austrialia, NA and Asia isn't it! |
| 00:45.13 | Natasem | AHHHHH.... http://wowskins.mmorgy.com/wowpics.htm |
| 00:45.56 | Osagasu | I want those skins |
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| 00:47.48 | Guillotine | wtf natasem. where did you find that? |
| 00:48.31 | Astryl | wow... |
| 00:48.40 | Natasem | i got the skilllz |
| 00:49.32 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:50.39 | Cair | Natasem: next time, put a NSFW warning, hmmm? |
| 00:50.53 | Guillotine | yes plz |
| 00:51.21 | Natasem | it's not safe for work? i am at work |
| 00:51.27 | Natasem | and i even showed it to my boss |
| 00:51.41 | Natasem | and what are you doing on the IRC at work? slackers get back to work |
| 00:51.41 | Osagasu | wow |
| 00:51.46 | Osagasu | I want a boss like yours |
| 00:51.47 | Cair | some offices wouldn't appreciate it |
| 00:52.29 | Cair | I'm at home, I'm just saying, some folks could get in shit if they opened that at work as a supervisor walked past |
| 00:52.34 | Natasem | exactly cair some offices wouldn't appreciate that the workers are on IRC during bussiness hours and accessing IRC from the office |
| 00:52.43 | Cair | ... |
| 00:53.00 | Osagasu | Porn =/= IRC |
| 00:53.23 | Osagasu | some offices allow IRC, but not porn |
| 00:53.26 | Guillotine | then how about NSTLAWCIBPIFOYFGC. Not safe to look at when computer is being projected in front of your fifth grade class, hmmm? i'm going to get some letters tonight... |
| 00:53.31 | kergoth | most geeks i know irc while at work. course most of hte geeks i know coordinate with open source developers that way. i've had my boss tell me to get on irc :P |
| 00:54.14 | Cair | Nat, just take the request as intended please ... next time you want to link something like that, include the NSFW/nudity tag |
| 00:54.29 | Cair | real simple |
| 00:54.46 | Guillotine | nobody believes i'm a fifth grade teacher? dam. i'm seriously not funny sometimes |
| 00:55.00 | Tain | Sometimes? |
| 00:55.12 | Guillotine | ok. im funny all the time |
| 00:55.14 | Natasem | that wasn't porn |
| 00:55.19 | Guillotine | even if you guys jsut don't get it... |
| 00:55.26 | kergoth | Natasem: there is a great deal that isnt porn, and also isnt safe for work. |
| 00:55.41 | Guillotine | like www.monster.com |
| 00:55.53 | Natasem | do i care? nope if ya get into trouble for being on IRC thats your issue not mine |
| 00:56.05 | Guillotine | :0 meany |
| 00:56.07 | Cair | Natasem: it isn't about IRC |
| 00:56.12 | Natasem | ya it is |
| 00:56.19 | Guillotine | i'm going to sue you if I get fired for something you post |
| 00:56.29 | Guillotine | its the american way |
| 00:56.35 | Guillotine | sue! |
| 00:56.37 | Natasem | if ya wern't on IRC then ya wouldn't have seen the link and if ya weren't on irc and didn't see the link then ya wouldn't have gone to that site |
| 00:56.55 | Tain | Oh I didn't realize he was even arguing the point. |
| 00:57.04 | Cair | Okay, look, let me make it real simple here |
| 00:57.06 | Natasem | but i goin home now |
| 00:57.31 | Cair | good thing he did, as he was about >< far from getting thrown out of channel |
| 00:58.04 | Guillotine | i dont see why he was arguing though. all he had to say was "oops. sry. will do next time" |
| 00:58.11 | Tain | See that's why you'd make a good CSR. I would have banned him after the first comment. |
| 00:58.16 | Cair | Agreed |
| 00:58.24 | Cair | to Guillotine's comment |
| 00:58.35 | kergoth | hmm, is there an updated version of mobhealth2, or is that the latest such addon? |
| 00:59.00 | Guillotine | theres mobhealth3, but it doesn't seem to be NEAR as good as mobhealth2 |
| 00:59.21 | Cair | Anyway, if *anyone* wants to link something like that, that may not be acceptable in some offices, please include the NSFW tag |
| 01:00.43 | kergoth | guh, fontabulous is ugly as sin |
| 01:01.59 | Codayus | Okay, yeah, I'm with Tain on this one. I'd have kicked him waaay earlier. |
| 01:02.11 | Codayus | That's was just stupid. |
| 01:02.54 | Guillotine | good thing I've never been close to being kicked <.< >.> |
| 01:03.22 | Guillotine | except that time I tried posting a full sized o rly bird |
| 01:03.31 | Guillotine | or the time I asked for cair's admin password thinking she was drunk |
| 01:03.48 | Guillotine | or the time I told slouken I was going to hold the servers at ransom |
| 01:04.17 | Guillotine | yup. almost never been close to being kicked |
| 01:05.04 | Cair | Guillotine dear, right now is not the time to push me, I'm still rather annoyed at Natasem and would hate to take it out on someone else because of it |
| 01:05.34 | Guillotine | ok. sry >_< |
| 01:06.28 | Cair | I'm a Celt ... I have a temper, and I lose it easily ... I usually calm down again fairly quickly, but it does still take some time |
| 01:06.32 | Codayus | See, that's why you should have kicked Natasem before he left. Lets you get the aggression out. Besides, he deserved it. :-| |
| 01:07.54 | Cair | I also prefer to give people a chance to make good, Codayus, which is why he wasn't just immediately tossed |
| 01:07.59 | Codayus | Also, on an unrelated note, I followed his link, and I would like to say that whomever actually went to the trouble to take multiple screenshots of nude female undead needs serious help. oO |
| 01:08.17 | Guillotine | lol |
| 01:08.17 | Cair | lol |
| 01:09.27 | Codayus | Nude NE and Human females? Uh, okay, if thats your thing. Nude orcs and trolls? Getting a little creeped out here... Nude undead? Dude, NOT cool. I mean, you can still see bones where there flesh has fallen off, and, like...not cool. |
| 01:10.08 | Guillotine | I'm just glad they didn't do the princess from maraudon... |
| 01:10.28 | kergoth | haha |
| 01:10.29 | Codayus | That needed a NSFPWHRE tag. Not Safe For People Who Have Recently Eaten. |
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| 01:23.15 | Guillotine | lol. http://www.bash.org/?464561 |
| 01:26.55 | Guillotine | ill just keep pushing bash quotes until someone says something interesting. http://www.bash.org/?433014 |
| 01:29.26 | Guillotine | http://www.bash.org/?51106 |
| 01:30.38 | phil_ | something interesting |
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| 01:32.53 | Guillotine | yes? |
| 01:35.57 | Parak | hmm, are there any action bars that include cooldown and range coloring aside from dab? |
| 01:37.42 | Cair | CT |
| 01:38.10 | kergoth | i use cooldowncount and redrange with the bliz bars, myself |
| 01:38.18 | Guillotine | dab is the best though... |
| 01:38.21 | kergoth | moved around with visor |
| 01:38.21 | Guillotine | http://www.bash.org/?81959 |
| 01:38.29 | Cair | that's a matter of opinion Guillotine |
| 01:38.35 | Guillotine | i know :) |
| 01:38.47 | Guillotine | but its MY opinion |
| 01:39.20 | Cair | to which you are entitled |
| 01:39.24 | nomad_wanderer | hey everyone |
| 01:39.32 | Cair | hi nomad_wanderer |
| 01:39.38 | nomad_wanderer | here's a weird one.. Is there any lua implementations of Poker, or other cardgames? |
| 01:40.57 | nomad_wanderer | Our guild has a "backup" character system for raids. I.e. if the raid is full, you can login and sit your character outside the instance, ready to zone in if someone disco's or has to leave. |
| 01:41.02 | Guillotine | not yet |
| 01:41.05 | nomad_wanderer | However, it's fairly boring. |
| 01:41.05 | Guillotine | there are some other games though |
| 01:41.11 | Guillotine | like tetris |
| 01:41.19 | Guillotine | and minesweeper |
| 01:41.21 | Guillotine | and tic-tac-toe |
| 01:41.34 | Guillotine | I don't think anyone has gone through the trouble of making a poker game though... |
| 01:41.44 | nomad_wanderer | I was just thinking there are 5 of us here, I could be a Pokerserv, and the other 4 could play using whispers.... |
| 01:43.13 | Guillotine | that would work |
| 01:43.20 | Guillotine | if someone took the time to make the game |
| 01:43.49 | kergoth | pagefault: do an svn up on the addon set. |
| 01:47.28 | Guillotine | anyone know what the exact character limit is on a chat message? |
| 01:48.54 | pagefault | kergoth, ok |
| 01:54.51 | Guillotine | uh oh tem |
| 01:54.55 | Guillotine | you crashed the WoW forums again |
| 01:55.43 | nomad_wanderer | Does anyone remember the URL for the Wow UI DES? |
| 01:55.48 | nomad_wanderer | I lost it. :( |
| 01:56.13 | Cair | www.wowinterface.com |
| 01:56.31 | nomad_wanderer | I was hoping something more specific... :) |
| 01:56.46 | Cair | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/index.php?cid=49&dp=0&sh=full&so=desc&sb=lastupdate |
| 01:57.04 | nomad_wanderer | You know it :p |
| 01:57.11 | nomad_wanderer | Thanks cair |
| 01:57.43 | Cair | for the "home" page, it's wowuides.wowinterface.com :p |
| 01:58.15 | nomad_wanderer | Thanks |
| 01:58.19 | Cair | nm |
| 01:58.26 | Cair | np, even |
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| 02:00.49 | Cair | not a probl Depherios |
| 02:01.33 | Depherios | oh, I know |
| 02:01.52 | Depherios | It's just something I -personally- don't like to do ^_^ |
| 02:01.58 | Cair | *nod* |
| 02:02.14 | Guillotine | have you seen me speak? |
| 02:02.16 | Guillotine | if not, hello |
| 02:02.19 | Guillotine | see, I speak |
| 02:02.21 | Depherios | hello XD |
| 02:02.42 | Cair | Guillotine: it'd be more a question of have we ever seen you shut up :p |
| 02:02.49 | Cair | ~tease Guillotine |
| 02:02.51 | purl | ACTION tickles Guillotine with a feather and makes Guillotine rotflmaopimp-ing |
| 02:03.01 | Guillotine | hehe |
| 02:05.30 | Cair | sorry, that wasn't nice |
| 02:08.57 | Legorol | Are there any EU players here who would like to have access to US server? |
| 02:09.12 | Legorol | I have received access to a US account, but would need to find a way to fund it |
| 02:09.23 | Legorol | I thought that if enough EU players are interested, we can throw the money together |
| 02:09.48 | Legorol | i guess i'm asking at wrong time, EU peeps are asleep |
| 02:12.56 | Cair | I'd love to be able to say I could kick some in towards it Lego, but things are kinda tight right now =/ |
| 02:13.16 | Legorol | i appreciate the sentiment Cair, that is enough for me :-) |
| 02:13.46 | Depherios | If you get it up and running, I can toss on a gamecard perhaps |
| 02:13.54 | Depherios | I'm stocking up this weekend |
| 02:13.59 | Depherios | get a 25% discount at work... |
| 02:14.09 | Depherios | but it all depends on how many we get in (i.e. I'm buying us out) |
| 02:14.15 | Codayus | lol |
| 02:14.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, this is ticking me off: http://wow.pastebin.com/451864 |
| 02:14.38 | ScytheBlade1 | No matter what I do, SBAssisting will stick on 1, regardless, and I can't seem to change it |
| 02:16.00 | Depherios | right now we only have 4 gamecards I think >_< |
| 02:17.01 | Codayus | ScytheBlade1: Hmm. |
| 02:17.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Codayus, you can see the debug I've added...it sets the target correctly, but SBAssisting is stuck on 1 |
| 02:17.28 | ScytheBlade1 | It starts as 0 (as defined), but will NEVER CHANGE. |
| 02:17.39 | Codayus | Doh, I was going to test it, but I forgot - I haven't patched yet. |
| 02:17.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Hehe |
| 02:17.57 | Codayus | Okay, plan B. I'll just STARE at the code until I see what's wrong with it. :-P |
| 02:18.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I tried that ;) |
| 02:18.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I've mapped them to /setma, /setmt, /ma, /mt, and /mat |
| 02:18.32 | ScytheBlade1 | It sets them, calling /ma or /mt will target the correct char |
| 02:18.48 | ScytheBlade1 | But... the var never changes, and likewise /mat will just call /mt basically, regardless |
| 02:18.48 | Codayus | uh... |
| 02:19.04 | Codayus | What's SBAssistMainAssist? |
| 02:19.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Doh, I cut out two funcs |
| 02:19.48 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wow.pastebin.com/451865 |
| 02:21.04 | Codayus | Okay, right... |
| 02:21.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing complex |
| 02:21.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Hence why it's driving me nuts :P |
| 02:22.24 | Codayus | Okay, so they only way SBAssisting changes is if you call SBSetMainAssist() or SBSetMainTank()? |
| 02:22.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Right |
| 02:22.50 | ScytheBlade1 | ..... |
| 02:22.50 | ScytheBlade1 | err |
| 02:22.54 | Codayus | So...what does toggle do? |
| 02:23.00 | Codayus | It doesn't seem to actually toggle anything? |
| 02:23.09 | Codayus | :-D |
| 02:24.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Thanks, heh |
| 02:24.18 | Codayus | No worries. |
| 02:24.41 | Codayus | I've wasted more hours than I really like to recall failing to see stuff like that. :-) |
| 02:24.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed |
| 02:25.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I just......blah :) |
| 02:25.04 | Guillotine | g2g guys. going to a ducks game :D |
| 02:25.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Is there any way to re-bind the console key, btw? |
| 02:25.21 | Guillotine | don't think so |
| 02:25.30 | ScytheBlade1 | cy |
| 02:25.31 | ScytheBlade1 | *cya |
| 02:25.52 | Codayus | console key? |
| 02:25.56 | ScytheBlade1 | ~ |
| 02:25.59 | ScytheBlade1 | well, ` or ~ |
| 02:26.02 | Codayus | Rebind it? |
| 02:26.05 | ScytheBlade1 | To another key |
| 02:26.06 | Codayus | In what, WoW? |
| 02:26.11 | Depherios | ...www.autohotkey.com? |
| 02:26.18 | ScytheBlade1 | or prevent it from being toggled from opening when you hit ` |
| 02:26.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, wow |
| 02:26.25 | Codayus | WoW has a console? |
| 02:26.28 | Depherios | yeah |
| 02:26.35 | Depherios | you have to enable it at command line, when you run WoW |
| 02:26.38 | Depherios | (before rather) |
| 02:26.39 | Codayus | ....what does it do? |
| 02:26.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I've done that ;) |
| 02:26.45 | Depherios | nothing much |
| 02:26.46 | ScytheBlade1 | -console ftw |
| 02:26.47 | Codayus | And why didn't I know that? :-) |
| 02:26.56 | ScytheBlade1 | WoW.exe -console |
| 02:27.00 | ScytheBlade1 | No more /console reloadui |
| 02:27.05 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:27.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Just ` (or ~), reloadui |
| 02:27.11 | Codayus | ....... |
| 02:27.20 | Depherios | I /script ReloadUI() personally, I'm that lame |
| 02:27.25 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:27.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Each to their own ;) |
| 02:27.34 | Codayus | I've got a macro that reloads ui, a mod that makes /rlt reload the ui, and a mod that makes /reload reload the ui. |
| 02:27.34 | Depherios | just make a keybinding for ReloadUI() if you're that lazy XD |
| 02:27.35 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Legorol (i=legorol@cpc3-cmbg6-6-0-cust238.cmbg.cable.ntl.com) |
| 02:27.59 | Depherios | ... I have /rl as reload, but I never use it |
| 02:28.06 | Codayus | Actually, for a while, I had the macro on my action bar. |
| 02:28.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh |
| 02:28.21 | Codayus | (Note: Don't do that. You may think it'll save you time. Don't do it.) |
| 02:28.32 | ScytheBlade1 | *g* |
| 02:28.35 | Legorol | i use /rl |
| 02:28.38 | Legorol | or /rui |
| 02:28.48 | Legorol | ./rl comes with ReloadUI AddOn |
| 02:29.02 | Legorol | when i'm in minimal testing environ, i have a small set of utilities in an AddOn, that defines /rui |
| 02:29.03 | Codayus | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.07 | Depherios | I ran the addon, but later just built it into a titanpanel addon I was already running |
| 02:29.21 | Legorol | yah whatever works for you... ;-) |
| 02:29.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 02:29.30 | ScytheBlade1 | So no one knows of a way to rebind the WoW console? |
| 02:29.35 | Depherios | I don't even remember what one |
| 02:29.43 | Depherios | Scythe -- www.autohotkey.com lol |
| 02:30.06 | Depherios | but yeah |
| 02:30.08 | Depherios | that's external |
| 02:30.12 | Depherios | but I <3 it |
| 02:30.14 | Codayus | Not a clue. I bind it to all sorts of things. |
| 02:30.22 | Codayus | But then, I don't use the -console flag, so... |
| 02:30.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Depherios, close, but not quite... if I enable -console, WoW will (as far as I can tell), perma-set ` and ~ to open the console |
| 02:30.55 | Plorkyeran[Away] | SB> You can manually change it using the function to set keybindings |
| 02:30.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not seeing how that app could redefind that |
| 02:31.08 | ScytheBlade1 | KK> meh |
| 02:31.14 | Codayus | (` stealths on my rogue, shift-` unstealths. Makes a nice key to hammer on.) |
| 02:31.17 | ScytheBlade1 | ...oh yeah, you're Plork here :P |
| 02:31.36 | ScytheBlade1 | thanks though, time to go fix that :P |
| 02:31.48 | Plorkyeran[Away] | Rowne (iirc) was complaining about it recently and did something to fix it |
| 02:32.02 | Tekkub | anybody got a 40+ pally or warlock and can check something real quick? |
| 02:32.13 | Codayus | Can you do anything else with the console other than type reload? |
| 02:32.30 | Plorkyeran[Away] | there used to be a lot of useful things to do with it |
| 02:32.38 | pagefault | I use similar ones for my soulstones and hehe |
| 02:32.40 | Codayus | 30, and 29, respectively. Nope, no mounts for j00. |
| 02:32.41 | Plorkyeran[Away] | I think they're all accessable in other ways now, though |
| 02:33.00 | kergoth | pagefault: let me know if you need any warlock addons changed or added to the set. i don't play one |
| 02:33.00 | Plorkyeran[Away] | hence why it was disabled by default |
| 02:33.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I just like it better for some reason, plus it spits out random stuff at times |
| 02:33.07 | kergoth | pagefault: have you updated since adding the hud? |
| 02:33.14 | Legorol | Codayus: you can do quite a few things with console actually |
| 02:33.22 | pagefault | kergoth, yeah just playing with it now |
| 02:33.24 | kergoth | cool |
| 02:33.30 | pagefault | it's going to take me a while to see if I like it or not |
| 02:33.37 | Legorol | since it's been plugged now, i can tell you: there has been a hole that allowed you to use console commands to do real time reading in of data from file |
| 02:33.40 | Plorkyeran[Away] | apparently at some point you could turn off auto-afk with it |
| 02:33.52 | Depherios | Scythe: autohotkey is a massive scriptable key rebinder |
| 02:34.00 | Depherios | so you could make ~ be something else entirely |
| 02:34.05 | pagefault | for one it doesn't look too good with the flightpath timer hehe |
| 02:34.09 | Depherios | and move ~ to replace what you moved |
| 02:34.14 | pagefault | text is overlapping |
| 02:34.15 | Codayus | Heh. |
| 02:34.47 | kergoth | pagefault: yeah. eCastingBar supports FlightMap... it makes the timer show using its usual cast timer. i'm working on doing that for efm as well |
| 02:34.51 | kergoth | pagefault: should solve that issue |
| 02:35.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Depherios, will it override WoW's input though? |
| 02:35.19 | Depherios | it will goof up trying to type in text |
| 02:35.21 | Depherios | if you remap |
| 02:35.48 | Legorol | all right people g'night |
| 02:35.51 | Depherios | but you can just make the normal press ` be ~ and ~ be ` and solve your problem |
| 02:35.58 | pagefault | whats with yatlas |
| 02:36.20 | Depherios | you'd have to press shift` to get console, and you'd get the shift state version (in wow) on normal press |
| 02:36.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Both ` and ~ are mapped to console ;) |
| 02:37.09 | Depherios | well then ^_^ you'd have to get a bit fancier... |
| 02:37.16 | Depherios | will wow accept F13-F24? |
| 02:37.25 | Depherios | lol |
| 02:37.25 | Plorkyeran[Away] | I doubt it, due to how wow keybindings work :P |
| 02:37.36 | Plorkyeran[Away] | it's probably just ignoring the shift |
| 02:37.50 | Depherios | AHK will actually send the seperate signal if you tell it to |
| 02:37.58 | Depherios | you can tell it to SEND Shift + ` or have it just send ~ |
| 02:38.33 | Depherios | I'm using AHK to make my "shift state" keys dual state... they're control+Fkey on one keypress |
| 02:39.02 | Depherios | so I'm holding down control, to make my action keys function.... |
| 02:39.06 | Depherios | God my interface is overly complex |
| 02:39.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh |
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| 02:40.12 | Depherios | wb? |
| 02:40.36 | cladhaire | yeah.. my bad =) |
| 02:41.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, is there a list of the possible actions anywhere? |
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| 02:45.33 | pagefault | kergoth, how do I center the cCastingBar again? |
| 02:45.41 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, the console is bound a little deeper than most of the UI can handle |
| 02:46.03 | ScytheBlade1 | With -console, even when you're trying to set a keybinding, ` and ~ are ignored, and it instead opens the console |
| 02:47.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Plorkyeran[Away], I'm still looking for a way to see if you're in a duel, if you have any suggestions :P |
| 02:48.05 | ScytheBlade1 | As far as I can tell, if you challenge someone to a duel, there's no way to check |
| 02:49.11 | nomad_wanderer | Hmm.. I want to do something that could be abused... Does the API allow this? |
| 02:49.34 | nomad_wanderer | I have the raidpoints for my guild in a lua file. Can I build a UI that whispers everyone in the raid what they're raidpoints are? |
| 02:49.46 | nomad_wanderer | That's 40 whipsers with 1 button press.. |
| 02:50.07 | nomad_wanderer | Is that allowed? |
| 02:50.28 | Iriel | It's "allowed".. but |
| 02:50.40 | Iriel | You run a decent chance of being disconnected by the flood prevention code |
| 02:50.46 | Depherios | I know you can flood wow by TURNING too much |
| 02:50.52 | Depherios | ... so I'd worry about flooding out |
| 02:50.58 | Iriel | You'd best off to use an OnUpdate handler to spread them out over time |
| 02:51.22 | nomad_wanderer | What is a safe way to do that then Iriel? Hmm.. something easier, like a Pause()? :) |
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| 02:53.23 | nomad_wanderer | I just started understanding hooking..... An onUpdate handler used to spread out whispers over time sounds scary :) |
| 02:53.44 | Iriel | Well, you wouldn't use a hook |
| 02:53.48 | Iriel | You'd use your own OnUpdate handler |
| 02:54.00 | Iriel | Or you'd use Timex or Chronos or whatever else is out there to make it easier for you |
| 02:54.06 | Iriel | There IS no pause |
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| 02:54.12 | nomad_wanderer | Gotcha.. |
| 02:54.46 | nomad_wanderer | It would be fairly easy to write your own pause though right? getSystemTime, if systemTime = SystemTime+20, Send whisper, right? |
| 02:55.01 | Iriel | If you dont mind stalling your UI completely in the meantime, sure |
| 02:55.12 | Iriel | Get "single thread of execution" in your head. |
| 02:55.32 | Iriel | One should never pause in an event driven UI |
| 02:55.51 | Iriel | The proper solution is always to schedule it to happen 'later' and then return control to the rest of the system. |
| 02:56.02 | nomad_wanderer | Yeah.. |
| 02:56.04 | ScytheBlade1 | nomad_wanderer, the scripting language in WoW has been made so that you can't impliment a 'pause', 'wait', etc. |
| 02:56.11 | Iriel | You CAN implement one |
| 02:56.13 | nomad_wanderer | You can though |
| 02:56.18 | Iriel | But it's such a really bad idea you DONT |
| 02:56.20 | kergoth | no, you should definately pause. then we can all be entertained by you getting disconnected from the server on command |
| 02:56.21 | nomad_wanderer | What I wrote would work. It's just that you DONT.. |
| 02:56.24 | nomad_wanderer | :) |
| 02:56.29 | ScytheBlade1 | You can't without making the UI useless :) |
| 02:56.47 | nomad_wanderer | Timex and Chronos are "real" pauses? |
| 02:56.53 | Iriel | But, the essence of your 'pause' is what you do in your OnUpdate |
| 02:57.03 | Iriel | Timex/Chronos are friendly "schedule until later" libraries |
| 02:57.15 | nomad_wanderer | I guess I don't understand what you mean by the on Update handler.. I should have let you finish. |
| 02:57.15 | Iriel | They take the grunt work out of writing your own OnUpdate |
| 02:57.23 | Iriel | But to be honest OnUpdate is pretty easy |
| 02:57.32 | kergoth | easy to screw up, too :) |
| 02:57.36 | kergoth | performance wise, that is |
| 02:57.46 | Iriel | Ok.. an OnUpdate handler is called every time the screen is repainted, if the frame it belongs to is visible |
| 02:57.51 | nomad_wanderer | Yeah.. I'm not ready to pull out a profiler for example. |
| 02:58.11 | nomad_wanderer | I think I'm okay with adding a timex or chronos dependency. |
| 02:58.16 | Iriel | So generally the solution to something like your problem is thta you have an invisible frame with the handler |
| 02:58.30 | Iriel | You :Show() the frame when you need its services, and it :Hide()'s itself when it's done |
| 02:58.37 | Iriel | and inside the handler it's more or less |
| 02:58.47 | Iriel | if (GetTime() < nextActionTime) then return end |
| 02:58.54 | nomad_wanderer | That's not so bad. |
| 02:59.06 | Iriel | <Code to figure out what to do next> |
| 02:59.13 | Iriel | if (nothing to do) then this:Hide(); end |
| 02:59.18 | Iriel | <Do the next thing> |
| 02:59.34 | nomad_wanderer | It would have to be a conditional OnUpdate, I.e. toggable on or off, but that sounds doable. |
| 02:59.40 | Iriel | You can of course mix it up |
| 02:59.45 | Iriel | but that one tends to be pretty stable |
| 02:59.55 | Iriel | because it self-hides if you accidently show it when you dont have any queued work |
| 03:00.18 | Iriel | There's a slightly more efficient approach if you're using fixed delays |
| 03:00.29 | Iriel | this.sleepTime = this.sleepTime - arg1; |
| 03:00.35 | Iriel | if (this.sleepTime > 0) then return ; end |
| 03:00.36 | nomad_wanderer | Does it have to be in an invisible frame if I don't mind my UI being visible? The UI has to be visible for them to press the button to send each raid member their DKP points. |
| 03:00.37 | Iriel | this.sleepTime = 0.2; |
| 03:00.42 | Iriel | <Followed by the rest of the code> |
| 03:00.50 | Iriel | It doesn't HAVE to be an invisible frame, no |
| 03:01.15 | Iriel | You can use an always visible frame and then use :SetScript("OnUpdate", MYFrame_OnUpdate") and :SetScript("OnUpdate", nil) to toggle also |
| 03:01.26 | Iriel | with the right numbers of quotes 8-) |
| 03:01.28 | ForgottenLords | "Real men don't use backups, they post their stuff on a public ftp server and let the rest of the world make copies." |
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| 03:02.41 | nomad_wanderer | k. The setScript bits register for the onUpdate, I see that... Could you talk about your sleep time example? I thought you were going to write some recursive bits when you first started typng it, but you didn't. |
| 03:03.03 | nomad_wanderer | It just keeps decreasing? |
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| 03:03.47 | Iriel | whenevr an OnUpdate is called, the arg1 global has the time in seconds (fractional, unless you're on a very slow system) since the last time OnUpdate handlers were called |
| 03:03.55 | nomad_wanderer | Thats the missing bit ;) |
| 03:03.57 | nomad_wanderer | thanks. |
| 03:04.17 | Iriel | Look at blizzard's action bar code if you want some real examples |
| 03:04.36 | Iriel | Their code only checks for range a few times a second |
| 03:04.37 | nomad_wanderer | Acutally the onUpdate stuff isn't that bad at all.. especially if you are using fixed delays.. |
| 03:04.56 | sweede | i've got an issue with an addon that i modified, when an item is copied into say, guild chat, you cannot shift or ctrl click on it to re-paste the link or dressing room it. the addon that causes this is http://pastebin.com/451168 , anyone see anything that i'm doing wrong ? |
| 03:04.57 | Iriel | If you're careful and keep it lean and mean, I dont think it's bad at all |
| 03:05.25 | Iriel | The worst thing to do is 1) Not put an early exit in for time throttling when you have no reason not to |
| 03:05.36 | Iriel | 2) Do work in the OnUpdate you could have done beforehand to prepare for it |
| 03:05.47 | Iriel | 3) Keep them 'active' when you know you dont need them |
| 03:06.14 | nomad_wanderer | Yeah.. an inefficient onUpdate would kill you. Though I only plan on having it be registered after a button is pressed, until all members of the raid have been messaged. I will be unregistering it apon the 40th whisper. |
| 03:06.43 | Iriel | Yeah, I really like self-unregistering ones |
| 03:07.06 | Iriel | sweede: Is the item actually being copied properly? |
| 03:07.17 | nomad_wanderer | Thats not bad if I register/deregister it multiple times like that.. say someone wanted to message the raid at the begining, and then at the end? |
| 03:07.18 | Iriel | sweede: I.e. is the problem that NO items can be shift clicked, or that specific items cannot |
| 03:07.42 | Iriel | nomad_wanderer : No, you can enable/disable as often as you want.. Bookworm uses the show/hide on a hidden frame to page through books, for example |
| 03:07.55 | Cair | Woot, Lozareth just joined the guild :) |
| 03:08.05 | nomad_wanderer | Which one? Horde or alliance/ |
| 03:08.24 | Cair | horde |
| 03:08.38 | Iriel | smelly horde |
| 03:08.47 | kergoth | yay horde |
| 03:08.56 | Tain | For the porn! |
| 03:09.01 | Tain | I mean horde. |
| 03:09.05 | kergoth | yay porn |
| 03:10.45 | swede|lurker | iriel, nothing happens. when you shift click it, the tooltip shows actually |
| 03:11.27 | swede|lurker | but, i gotts to go. if you do notice anything though, would you be kind enough to send me what you see wrong in a /msg ? thanks !! |
| 03:14.01 | Tain | heh heh! A Something Awful timeline of WoW's development! |
| 03:14.04 | Tain | http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=3408 |
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| 03:15.05 | Malivil|AFK | ... |
| 03:15.09 | nomad_wanderer | HEH! 12/10/2005 Other hotfixes include the long awaited fix to the mage spell Arcane Missiles. |
| 03:15.10 | Malivil|AFK | i teh noob, i know |
| 03:15.27 | Malivil|AFK | How do i open a frame from within lua? |
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| 03:16.40 | nomad_wanderer | I usually type this "Open URL: http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API" :) |
| 03:17.14 | Malivil | thanks |
| 03:18.45 | Malivil | those are .xml |
| 03:19.08 | nomad_wanderer | Huh? |
| 03:19.25 | malreth | um... no |
| 03:19.47 | Malivil | "Widget API - (XML Functions)" |
| 03:20.05 | Cair | OMG |
| 03:20.19 | Malivil | o.O |
| 03:20.28 | Cair | Okay, the blurry screen is new (to me) when completely smashed |
| 03:20.41 | Malivil | ... |
| 03:20.44 | Malivil | lol |
| 03:20.49 | nomad_wanderer | Damn.. I've been closing my frames the wrong way all this time.. I've been using the widget API! |
| 03:20.58 | Cair | the witch doctor |
| 03:21.08 | malreth | the entire page is all lua functions |
| 03:21.26 | nomad_wanderer | :p |
| 03:21.51 | Malivil | ok... |
| 03:21.56 | Malivil | then the link is label wrong |
| 03:22.02 | Malivil | lets see here... |
| 03:22.42 | nomad_wanderer | What page are you looking at? http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API doesn't have the word XML on it? |
| 03:22.52 | malreth | the main page |
| 03:22.59 | Malivil | oh wait |
| 03:23.00 | Malivil | im stupid |
| 03:23.02 | Malivil | i already know how |
| 03:23.04 | Malivil | durrr |
| 03:23.32 | nomad_wanderer | Oh.. sorry. I always bookmark the deep links :) |
| 03:23.50 | Malivil | yea... |
| 03:23.55 | Iriel | Cair: the blurry screen has been there for a while |
| 03:24.00 | Malivil | might wanna fix the main page so people like me stop getting confused |
| 03:24.02 | Malivil | X.X |
| 03:24.06 | Cair | as I said, new to me |
| 03:24.13 | Malivil | its it cool those? |
| 03:24.16 | Malivil | *though |
| 03:24.19 | Cair | it wasn't here the last time I got drunk in game ;) |
| 03:24.22 | Malivil | And you stagger too |
| 03:24.26 | kergoth | <scanlime> +purple_cow: I saw the stupidest food item evar yesterday... |
| 03:24.26 | kergoth | <scanlime> +zero-carb pasta sauce |
| 03:24.28 | Cair | that was |
| 03:24.55 | Iriel | Sadly they decided to make the wiki main page uneditable |
| 03:25.02 | Iriel | So you have to email them. |
| 03:25.05 | Tain | I still maintain that the worst food item available is frozen microwavable grilled cheese. |
| 03:25.19 | nomad_wanderer | They make that? |
| 03:25.29 | Tain | Yes. And it makes me weep for humanity. |
| 03:25.48 | kergoth | my god |
| 03:25.50 | kergoth | i'm lazy |
| 03:25.50 | Cair | AYYAYAYAYAYYAY |
| 03:25.54 | kergoth | but even i can do grilled cheese |
| 03:26.00 | Iriel | Whoa, Slouken has an avatar! |
| 03:26.01 | kergoth | and i've burned soup. |
| 03:26.04 | Cair | he got his Pirate! |
| 03:26.08 | Cair | YAYAYAYAYAYAY |
| 03:26.08 | Tain | haha |
| 03:26.17 | nomad_wanderer | Are you a masochist or something? |
| 03:26.57 | malreth | YAR!!! |
| 03:27.36 | Cair | ARRR |
| 03:27.37 | Malivil | wait |
| 03:28.06 | malreth | stop |
| 03:30.30 | Iriel | off home |
| 03:31.06 | zeeg | O.o |
| 03:33.00 | Cair | ? zeeg? |
| 03:33.07 | zeeg | idk |
| 03:33.11 | Cair | okay |
| 03:40.52 | Malivil | what is Shouryuu's addon called again? |
| 03:41.05 | Cair | GuildLotto, iirc |
| 03:41.19 | Malivil | Is it on WoWI? |
| 03:41.27 | Cair | aye |
| 03:41.36 | Cair | can search by author name as well |
| 03:41.43 | ForgottenLords | holas folks |
| 03:41.51 | Cair | hi ForgottenLords |
| 03:41.53 | Malivil | i did, nothing showed up o.o |
| 03:42.12 | Malivil | found it |
| 03:42.17 | Cair | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/search.php?action=showresults&searchid=55393&sortby=filename&sortorder=asc |
| 03:42.20 | Malivil | Leviathans Lottery is the name |
| 03:43.30 | Cair | so is no one else playing tonight? |
| 03:43.54 | nomad_wanderer | The WoW UI Xml is grinding me for XP. |
| 03:43.58 | malreth | i was on earlier... |
| 03:44.01 | nomad_wanderer | srry.. no play tonight. |
| 03:44.08 | malreth | watching recorder daily show now |
| 03:44.16 | malreth | s/recorder/recorded/ |
| 03:44.24 | malreth | the jimmy carter one |
| 03:46.39 | ForgottenLords | I WISH I was playing. stupid Finals |
| 03:46.56 | malreth | my new RAM and power supply arrived today |
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| 03:47.06 | malreth | UPS delivered it to my neighbor, though |
| 03:47.08 | Codayus | Mmm, I had a final earlier. |
| 03:47.13 | malreth | that's never happened before |
| 03:47.19 | Codayus | heh |
| 03:47.37 | malreth | game runs much smoother now going from 768 MB to 1 GB |
| 03:47.48 | nomad_wanderer | Do I ahve to build my own confirmation Dialogs? |
| 03:47.54 | Codayus | There should be a sign over the gates of IF. |
| 03:48.03 | Codayus | "You must have 1gb ram to enter." |
| 03:48.06 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:48.26 | malreth | I didn't lag into the IF trench tonight |
| 03:48.29 | malreth | it was nice |
| 03:48.44 | Codayus | I lag into it even with 1gb...but pretty rarely. |
| 03:48.53 | Codayus | And I run a lot of stuff in the background, so, eh. |
| 03:49.24 | malreth | soon, i get the new motherboard, cpu, and video card |
| 03:49.24 | nomad_wanderer | Window Mode? |
| 03:49.39 | Codayus | Yeah, windowed and maximised. |
| 03:49.52 | nomad_wanderer | I like window mode... nice for development |
| 03:49.53 | Codayus | Or whatever that borderless mode is called... |
| 03:50.05 | nomad_wanderer | What is the borderless mode? |
| 03:50.17 | malreth | full-screen windowed |
| 03:50.18 | Codayus | Reading webcomics while on the dock waiting for a ship. :-) |
| 03:50.41 | nomad_wanderer | How do you get full screen windowed? |
| 03:50.50 | Codayus | Yeah, acts like windowed, looks like full-screen. Can alt-tab to and from other apps instantly; pretty nice. |
| 03:50.58 | Codayus | It's a tickbox in the video options in-game. |
| 03:51.17 | malreth | i always run in full-screen windowed. sometimes the game locks up when logging out and if i run it in actual full-screen mode, I won't be able to alt-tab out or alt-f4 to forcequit the game |
| 03:51.20 | nomad_wanderer | Heh.. I never noiced it :) |
| 03:51.25 | Codayus | malreth: That too. |
| 03:51.53 | Codayus | But I mainly do it so I can chat on IRC, check alla for info, read webcomics, etc. :-) |
| 03:52.09 | malreth | and since my hard drive is making the clicking noise of death, i am really trying to cut down the number of reboots that I do |
| 03:52.18 | Codayus | ....not good... |
| 03:52.23 | malreth | very bad |
| 03:52.52 | malreth | i half didn't want to install the new RAM today |
| 03:53.06 | malreth | new HD is on the list |
| 03:53.21 | malreth | actually, its the entire reason why i'm upgrading |
| 03:53.36 | malreth | new HD means I should switch from ATA to SATA drives |
| 03:53.55 | malreth | so I might as well get a new motherboard with onboard SATA |
| 03:54.08 | Codayus | I need to upgrade my computer one of these days. |
| 03:54.20 | Depherios | RAM ON IT'S WAY ^_^ |
| 03:54.25 | Depherios | yey |
| 03:54.29 | Depherios | oops caps |
| 03:54.35 | Codayus | It's really reaching the end of its useful gaming life, and I'm out of room to upgrade. |
| 03:54.41 | malreth | new motherboard? time to buy a dual core athlon, a gig of low-latency ram, and a video card of teh GODS! |
| 03:56.27 | ForgottenLords | or, you know... just a new Radeon will do the trick |
| 03:56.41 | ForgottenLords | ;) |
| 03:56.46 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 03:57.08 | malreth | new Radeon? time to get a new motherboard with a PCIe slot. |
| 03:57.25 | Codayus | Mmm, my current card was a video card of teh GODS when new...which was quite some time ago. Radeon 9700 pro. Given my experiences with that, I might go for an nvidia card next time. :-( |
| 03:57.29 | malreth | see... any upgrade that I do means tossing my entire rig for a new one |
| 03:57.53 | ForgottenLords | I <3 my 9800 pro |
| 03:58.02 | futrtrubl | Woot, BEB_0.7beta is now available |
| 03:58.04 | malreth | i'm switching from that same card to an nvidia, too... ATI really lacks in widescreen monitor support |
| 03:58.05 | Codayus | Radeon 9700 pro + linux = no WoW. And from what I hear, that's pretty standard across the range. |
| 03:58.27 | Codayus | Radeon's linux support just isn't there, really. I mean, nvidia's is poor, but at least it works. |
| 03:59.44 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 03:59.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I have (had) a 9700P |
| 03:59.54 | ScytheBlade1 | this box == |
| 03:59.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Linux cerberus 2.6.13 #13 SMP Sat Dec 3 11:19:46 MST 2005 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) MP 2600+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux |
| 04:00.11 | ScytheBlade1 | my GF4MX440 out performed the 9700P in linux |
| 04:00.51 | Codayus | Mind you, the 9700 pro was at a *great* price performance spot, was dirt cheap, and has done yeoman service - in windows - ever since. But...just a pain. Incompatible drivers, weird dependency loops, weird incompatability with random X.org versions, complete inability to get it working with cedega... |
| 04:01.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Mine burned out. |
| 04:01.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Literally. |
| 04:01.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Weird hardware issue |
| 04:01.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Overheated and killed itself |
| 04:01.32 | malreth | i actually have the 9500 pro but it's softmodded to a 9700 pro |
| 04:01.48 | Codayus | I've got better uses for my weekends than to recompile my kernel repeatedly just so I can get it to barely run an X server. :-/ |
| 04:01.54 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:02.05 | ScytheBlade1 | you don't need anything special at all for that |
| 04:02.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't have AGP support, DRM, or framebuffer in kernel |
| 04:02.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Yet, I have full hardware 3D accel |
| 04:02.25 | nomad_wanderer | Hmm.. Is there a way to press a button to push text to a focuses edit box? |
| 04:02.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:02.38 | kergoth | i've not had any problems with my 9600xt |
| 04:02.39 | ScytheBlade1 | (FX 5200) |
| 04:02.41 | kergoth | fglrx |
| 04:02.49 | Codayus | ScytheBlade1: Yeah, but I was *trying* for cedega. By the time I was done, I'd managed to break ALSA sound, and still didn't have cedega going. :-/ |
| 04:02.57 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:02.57 | ScytheBlade1 | brb |
| 04:02.58 | kergoth | hm |
| 04:03.40 | kergoth | Codayus: i play wow in linux with the ati radeon drivers, and get frame rates around double that of windows, latest drivers in both. |
| 04:03.52 | Codayus | Really? What card? |
| 04:03.58 | kergoth | 9600xt, iirc |
| 04:04.02 | Codayus | Hmmm |
| 04:04.11 | Codayus | Wonder how the core compares to mine... |
| 04:04.20 | malreth | time for exercise |
| 04:04.20 | kergoth | /home/World of Warcraft/Interface/Addons$ lspci|grep ATI |
| 04:04.20 | kergoth | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AR [Radeon 9600] |
| 04:04.21 | kergoth | 0000:01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AR [Radeon 9600] (Secondary) |
| 04:04.40 | nomad_wanderer | For example, I have a button that I want to press to generate a summary of that nights auctions.. I can do this easy by tying the button to sendChatMessage with the destination hardcoded.. But Can I have the user focus on the chatEditBox, type whatever channel they want, say /g or /ra and then press the button to generate the text string? |
| 04:05.01 | Codayus | nomad_wanderer: Yes, I've seen mods do it. |
| 04:05.08 | Codayus | I think... |
| 04:05.10 | kergoth | recap does that with its reports |
| 04:05.11 | nomad_wanderer | Which mods? that would help alot! |
| 04:05.26 | Codayus | recap, yes |
| 04:05.36 | nomad_wanderer | Thanks.. I'll look into that |
| 04:06.03 | Codayus | Ah, I've got an R300 core. |
| 04:06.29 | kergoth | gods, i cant seem to wrap my head around rrdtool's need for linear interpolation |
| 04:06.41 | Codayus | The question is, have the drivers finally improved enough to work? |
| 04:06.51 | kergoth | yep, they work fine with cedega now |
| 04:06.59 | kergoth | now, if you're on amd64, you've got to do a couple extra things |
| 04:07.02 | kergoth | but its minor |
| 04:07.20 | Codayus | That'd be nice. Of course, I've wasted enough hours of my life when it was impossible to still feel a fair amount of bitterness, but...hmmm. |
| 04:07.23 | kergoth | mainly exporting the opengl env var to ensure it points at the 64 bit Xorg modules |
| 04:08.37 | zeeg | Save yourself some trouble, play it on windows |
| 04:09.05 | kergoth | yeah, then you get much crappier framerates, worse reliability, a worthless development environment.. definately the way to go |
| 04:09.25 | zeeg | how is it not reliable? the dev environment is just fine, i cant comment on framerates |
| 04:09.38 | zeeg | people bash windows way too much |
| 04:09.40 | kergoth | my linux box has over a year without a reboot |
| 04:09.46 | kergoth | thats reliability. |
| 04:09.51 | zeeg | your linux box doesnt have to reboot for dlls/etc. |
| 04:09.54 | zeeg | thats pointless |
| 04:09.59 | zeeg | doesnt mean its "reliable" |
| 04:10.04 | zeeg | windows xp is very "reliable" |
| 04:10.08 | kergoth | my linux box doesnt crash left and right either |
| 04:10.11 | zeeg | i could easily keep it up for over a year |
| 04:10.13 | zeeg | xp *doesnt* crash |
| 04:10.18 | kergoth | nor does it get all fucked up by spyware |
| 04:10.19 | kergoth | or virii |
| 04:10.31 | zeeg | because spyware/virii aren't targeted as much to linux as they are to windows |
| 04:10.33 | kergoth | have you ever actually /used/ linux? |
| 04:10.38 | zeeg | I use it every day. |
| 04:10.45 | kergoth | why dont you go learn a thing or two, and come back when you've got some clue. |
| 04:10.53 | kergoth | this conversation will be much more interesting then. |
| 04:11.06 | zeeg | Because you can't state any reason why you should use linux over windows that's not bullshit? |
| 04:11.23 | zeeg | Sure before XP, Windows had it's problems.. since XP it hasn't |
| 04:11.40 | zeeg | well before 2k at least |
| 04:11.50 | kergoth | haha. tell that to my mom, who's machine just got spammed and exploited within 20 minutes of installing it due to flaws in the messenger service |
| 04:12.07 | zeeg | disable messenger service, its not hard |
| 04:12.16 | kergoth | its an example. worthless code. |
| 04:12.17 | zeeg | if 80% of the popular used linux it'd have just as many people targetting it |
| 04:12.24 | kergoth | you're incorrect. |
| 04:12.27 | zeeg | *population |
| 04:12.32 | kergoth | obviously ignorant of open source methodologies |
| 04:12.54 | zeeg | obviously you dont pay attention to how many software exploits nix has had |
| 04:13.10 | zeeg | I dont like people who think "linux is cool", nothing bothers me more |
| 04:14.42 | cladhaire | Pfft |
| 04:19.05 | nomad_wanderer | Wait a minute.. did you just take a stance that Windows is more secure than *nix? |
| 04:19.17 | Tain | Don't do it, nomad. |
| 04:19.22 | kergoth | i'm no linux evangelist by any means, and generally get annoyed with those who are (stallman, et al), but I see the advantages of both operating systems, and use both. |
| 04:19.25 | kergoth | There's a reason Id software develops on linux and ports to windows. Superior tools, even considering that gcc is far slower than visual c++'s compiler. |
| 04:19.25 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, we're talking security, *nix vs windowx |
| 04:19.28 | ScytheBlade1 | *windows |
| 04:19.29 | ScytheBlade1 | A hahahaha |
| 04:19.34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:20.08 | nomad_wanderer | If you did, I have this great computer to sell you it has more memory than you'd ever need! Bill Gates even said so. |
| 04:20.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Not trying to show off here - but I admin a good 40 windows boxes with 2k and 2k3 server in active directory, and I've built embedded linux devices |
| 04:20.46 | ScytheBlade1 | They're as secure as you make them, and no one is better than the other |
| 04:20.51 | kergoth | embedded linux you say... what devices? |
| 04:21.03 | ScytheBlade1 | www.soekris.com <-- pre-built, I just made up a small distro ;) |
| 04:21.14 | kergoth | ah, good stuff |
| 04:21.22 | kergoth | openembedded supports those, iirc |
| 04:21.48 | ScytheBlade1 | It's rather nice |
| 04:22.10 | kergoth | what did you use distro wise? custom? buildroot? openembedded? scratchbox? |
| 04:22.33 | ScytheBlade1 | at it's core, gentoo + one freaking massive script to remove 90% of the base install and reconfigure it |
| 04:22.57 | Tain | Poor kergoth gets the Gentoo shakes. |
| 04:23.00 | ScytheBlade1 | `sbuild bs rebuild` and I have a 20MB image that's just been rebuilt from scratch and really really shrunk down :P |
| 04:23.10 | kergoth | embedded distros are what i do. openembedded is my project :) |
| 04:23.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah :) |
| 04:23.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Cool :) |
| 04:23.35 | kergoth | wookey recently advised people attending the embedded debian presentation that if they need something that works today, to go get scratchbox or OE :D |
| 04:23.45 | kergoth | gentoo is great for a lot of things |
| 04:23.54 | kergoth | the openembedded build tool is actually based on the portage codebase |
| 04:23.58 | Tain | Yeah so where's my embedded ssh term for my Logitech keyboard and lcd? |
| 04:24.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Tain> on my 6MB 'jukebox' CD |
| 04:24.20 | ScytheBlade1 | *wifi jukebox ;) |
| 04:25.00 | ScytheBlade1 | kergoth, what is openembedded exactly? I'm poking on your homepage but.. |
| 04:25.21 | kergoth | there are two main components |
| 04:25.33 | kergoth | bitbake, which is a build tool you run on teh desktop to execute recipes (like .ebuild's) |
| 04:25.53 | kergoth | openembedded, which is a set of build classes and package metadata, highly granular, everything crosscompiling from your desktop |
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| 04:26.08 | ScytheBlade1 | heh @ cross compiling |
| 04:26.12 | kergoth | currently around 2500-3000 buildable packages which emit over 8000 individual binary packages for installation onto the device |
| 04:26.17 | ScytheBlade1 | actually, do you have an IRC channel here? this is a little off-topic... |
| 04:26.21 | kergoth | #elinux or #oe |
| 04:26.25 | kergoth | elinux is general embedded linux |
| 04:26.29 | kergoth | oe is openembedded specifically |
| 04:29.19 | Cair | hi Bela |
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| 04:33.17 | nomad_wanderer | Hah.. One of our warlocks is new in MC.. We are up to Gar, and he asks. I've never been here.. What should I do? The raid leader says "Yikes, warlocks have the most complex part for this boss"... See that rock guy over there? (Points) Keep hitting your banish key until we tell you to stop. :) |
| 04:33.31 | kergoth | haha |
| 04:33.32 | malreth | complex |
| 04:40.25 | nomad_wanderer | Funnier still.. The next thing the raid leader says is ... "Don't Rebanish when we are killing it..".. the newbie says. Srry you didn't say to stop. |
| 04:40.38 | kergoth | hahaha |
| 04:40.46 | nomad_wanderer | Heh.. Oops. Forgot to mention about the part when they die too |
| 04:41.53 | pagefault | hahaha ok |
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| 04:46.01 | pagefault | man |
| 04:46.22 | Iriel | What manual page do you want? |
| 04:46.25 | pagefault | bliz messed up with that 10 minute thing |
| 04:46.57 | nomad_wanderer | Um.. so theoretically, say you created a textbox, and forgot to un autofocus it. How exactly do you type reloadui? |
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| 04:47.13 | Iriel | You probably dont |
| 04:47.24 | Cair | wb Iriel |
| 04:47.26 | nomad_wanderer | So uh you 3 finger? |
| 04:47.32 | nomad_wanderer | Wb Iriel :) |
| 04:47.46 | Iriel | Yeah, and then make a macro for /script ReloadUI() and put it on an action bar for next time 8-) |
| 04:47.55 | Iriel | Well, you can PROBABLY click your way to logout |
| 04:48.15 | nomad_wanderer | Escape doesn't produce the menu either ;( |
| 04:48.21 | Iriel | Press the icon |
| 04:48.27 | Iriel | with your mouse |
| 04:48.38 | kergoth | :( i didnt get the job i interviewed in NC at |
| 04:49.06 | nomad_wanderer | Heh.. I forgot that wasnt there :) |
| 04:49.23 | ScytheBlade1 | nomad_wanderer, WoW.exe -console :) |
| 04:49.24 | nomad_wanderer | I was using DAB and forgot about that bar |
| 04:49.38 | ScytheBlade1 | The console key, as far as I can tell, overrides every other input event in WoW |
| 04:49.39 | Cair | kergoth: :( |
| 04:49.47 | Cair | sorry to hear that hun |
| 04:52.07 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:52.51 | kergoth | if only it was that easy |
| 04:53.38 | kergoth | i'm in deep shit now, i'm certain i'll lose my car |
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| 04:53.53 | cladhaire | and so with my wireless cutting out for the 19th time this evening.. i'm going to sign off =) |
| 04:54.52 | Cair | night cladhaire |
| 04:54.56 | cladhaire | Best wishes all! |
| 04:56.04 | Depherios | G'night |
| 04:56.34 | Beladona | night clahaire |
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| 04:58.05 | nomad_wanderer | Whats the best way to make a Multi-line select box? No Text entry, but a selectable list box of the ppl in the raid.. (10 lines, with scroll bars). Is that a Multi-line EditBox, with edit capability turned off? Or some weird hybrid component of 10 labels, and a scroll bar? |
| 04:58.45 | Iriel | probably the latter, and the FauxScrollFrame stuff blizzard provide |
| 04:58.55 | Iriel | it's a bit wacky at first but you get the hang of it eventually |
| 04:59.33 | nomad_wanderer | k. Was hoping it was the former :).. I'll figure it out.. are there any decent examples of this? |
| 04:59.42 | Iriel | Or you could do something with 40 buttons and a scroll bar |
| 05:00.00 | Iriel | Auction, Tradeskills, Social etc for the faux scroll frame stuff |
| 05:00.00 | nomad_wanderer | Interesting.. the button backgrounds don't need to be red circles ;) |
| 05:00.17 | Iriel | The quest stuff for 40 buttons |
| 05:01.01 | Iriel | (They dont actually DO 40 buttons, but they have a bunch of content in a single scrollable region) |
| 05:01.28 | nomad_wanderer | I think I'll look into the Social one.. That's the easiest of the type I'm looking for. |
| 05:02.36 | nomad_wanderer | It's too bad they don' have some sort of UI component that is designed to work with lua tables.. I.e. If you build your table this certain way, you can get a ItemSelectBox component. |
| 05:02.44 | nomad_wanderer | I shudder to say this.. But like it is in VB... |
| 05:02.47 | nomad_wanderer | JUST KIDDING |
| 05:02.54 | Iriel | You could always write one 8-) |
| 05:03.16 | nomad_wanderer | I' |
| 05:03.30 | nomad_wanderer | I'm not a reusable component person or a librarian just yet. |
| 05:04.12 | nomad_wanderer | Purl, Nomad_Wanderer? |
| 05:04.13 | purl | hmm... nomad_wanderer is a lua Noob, but trying! |
| 05:05.37 | Iriel | heh |
| 05:08.31 | nomad_wanderer | Thanks for the help tonight Iriel! I was able to make some serious progress.. My Biggest Hurdle is going to be the Raid Leader.. No matter what I can't make it easy to push data from the website into wow. He just can't get placing a file in the savedVars directory for some reason. |
| 05:09.00 | Iriel | Is having him put the file in the addon directory any easier? |
| 05:09.16 | nomad_wanderer | But then I can't update it. |
| 05:09.22 | nomad_wanderer | I.e. if he logs out. |
| 05:09.50 | nomad_wanderer | Eventually I'll pull out the limited PHP I know, and build a php lua parser for Addon->Website |
| 05:10.12 | nomad_wanderer | Someone built one in php for website->addon already |
| 05:10.25 | Iriel | Well, the idea is the one he downloads goes into the addon directory, and the one you create is in SavedVariables, and by using some kind of numbering scheme on the data, you can tell which is most recent |
| 05:10.47 | Iriel | I never really liked the idea of editing saved variables, BUT, with the newer per-addon SV's It's not really an issue anymore |
| 05:10.59 | nomad_wanderer | But the numbers DO get edited within the raid.. I.e. the saved Vars file is the one I want to send up. |
| 05:11.10 | Iriel | ah, so you have problems in both directions |
| 05:11.15 | nomad_wanderer | If he has to pick that file to upload eventually... |
| 05:11.31 | nomad_wanderer | He might as well replace that one prior to the raid with the pull from the website. |
| 05:11.33 | Iriel | teach him how to make a desktop shortcut to the SavedVariables directory |
| 05:11.44 | nomad_wanderer | Hehehe. Seriously. I know. |
| 05:12.11 | nomad_wanderer | Thanks again. Just wanted to mention that with your help, the easy part is the lua and the XML.. the hardpart is the people :) |
| 05:14.38 | Iriel | Anyone else having a hard time logging in to wow tonight? |
| 05:14.47 | Depherios | no... |
| 05:14.53 | Cair | nope, but may be because I've been logged in for a while |
| 05:15.03 | Depherios | true... ditto |
| 05:15.09 | Tem | Yay! ony down again |
| 05:15.32 | Cair | grats Tem |
| 05:16.52 | Tem | She's farmable now |
| 05:38.05 | Tekkub | hrm... what all items effect mount speed? Carrot on Stick, glove enchant, spurs on boots... anything else? |
| 05:42.23 | Kolth | Tekkub: Nope. |
| 05:47.21 | kergoth | hahaha, god i love irc. spam incoming: |
| 05:47.25 | kergoth | <darth_mall> everyone wants kergoth |
| 05:47.25 | kergoth | <darth_mall> I mean... uh... someone with kergoth's skills |
| 05:47.25 | kergoth | <kergoth> lol |
| 05:47.25 | kergoth | <kergoth> for the last time darth_mall, i'm not becoming a manwhore |
| 05:47.25 | kergoth | <nullpuppy> rofl |
| 05:47.26 | kergoth | <darth_mall> too bad |
| 05:47.28 | kergoth | <darth_mall> good money in that |
| 05:48.03 | Cair | lol |
| 05:48.10 | Tekkub | good money? not that I know of |
| 05:48.21 | kergoth | just need the right clientele |
| 05:48.23 | Tekkub | but then, with my people I'm competing with free so... |
| 05:48.35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:48.53 | Tekkub | I'd have to do nekkid massages or somethin |
| 05:49.05 | Tekkub | and even then, the demand is like nada here |
| 05:49.23 | kergoth | it worries me that you've given it this much thought |
| 05:49.40 | Tekkub | no, my hubby's one for the massages |
| 05:49.57 | Tekkub | cause his back hurts from too much time spnt in shitty chairs |
| 05:50.15 | Tekkub | and he'd have to drive to Little Rock to get one |
| 05:50.27 | kergoth | i love giving massages, to the delight of my gf, whomever that is at the time |
| 05:50.36 | Tekkub | I suck at massages |
| 05:50.52 | Tekkub | and instead of teaching me he just bitches that I can't do em |
| 05:51.13 | kergoth | thats silly |
| 05:52.55 | Tekkub | yar |
| 05:54.29 | Osagasu | :3 |
| 05:54.31 | Osagasu | nini |
| 05:55.36 | malreth | my girlfriend is getting schooled in acupuncture and tui na. i'll get massage everyday. |
| 05:55.44 | malreth | <3 |
| 05:55.57 | kergoth | nice |
| 05:56.06 | Depherios | lol, mine just studied muscular anatomae |
| 05:56.34 | Depherios | anatomy? |
| 05:56.52 | Depherios | anato.. |
| 05:57.06 | Iriel | malreth : I assume a risk is she'll also want to stick needles in you? |
| 05:57.17 | malreth | it's not a risk. it's a certainty |
| 05:57.33 | malreth | but i've had acupuncture before. i'm used to it |
| 05:57.35 | kergoth | ~spell anatomy |
| 05:57.40 | kergoth | ~botsnack |
| 05:57.40 | purl | kergoth: aw, gee |
| 05:57.47 | Depherios | ~spell anatomae |
| 05:57.56 | malreth | entomb? |
| 05:57.59 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:57.59 | Depherios | .... |
| 05:58.36 | Iriel | purl isn't too smart, is it? |
| 05:58.38 | purl | okay, Iriel |
| 05:58.46 | malreth | oh no |
| 05:58.56 | Depherios | lol |
| 05:59.14 | Iriel | purl, isn't too smart? |
| 05:59.20 | kergoth | ~forget isn't too smart, |
| 05:59.20 | purl | kergoth: i forgot isn't too smart, |
| 05:59.21 | malreth | purl, purl? |
| 05:59.22 | purl | i guess purl is the same blootbot as apt, ibot, and jbot, or at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/, or dashingly handsome |
| 05:59.24 | kergoth | Iriel: you forgot the , :) |
| 05:59.52 | Iriel | ah, I wasn't certain how it would parse it |
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| 06:00.47 | malreth | purl, malreth? |
| 06:01.02 | malreth | *blink blink* |
| 06:01.07 | kergoth | ~emulate me |
| 06:01.08 | purl | kergoth: Why don't you leave, and come back when you've got some clue? |
| 06:07.53 | pagefault | argh |
| 06:11.25 | kergoth | Cair: http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=435 |
| 06:11.41 | Cair | meh |
| 06:11.57 | malreth | cuter than baby jesus... in up to XXXXXL |
| 06:12.00 | malreth | that's not cute |
| 06:12.01 | Cair | what's YOUR pirate name? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=275939&p=1&tmp=1#post275939 |
| 06:12.08 | kergoth | malreth: haha |
| 06:12.12 | kergoth | http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=558 |
| 06:12.17 | malreth | that's big enough to cause people to be caught in your gravity well |
| 06:12.33 | Cair | oh, OW, that one is just COLD |
| 06:12.34 | malreth | you'd be so big, you could bend space-time |
| 06:12.43 | Cair | hehehe |
| 06:13.19 | kergoth | hehe, "Reminder: Buy More Beer" in reverse so you can read it when you look at yourself in the mirror the next morning |
| 06:13.26 | malreth | kergoth: bwah ha ha... good one |
| 06:13.55 | Cair | lol |
| 06:14.13 | kergoth | hahaha |
| 06:14.14 | kergoth | http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=393 |
| 06:14.30 | malreth | when i have a kid, i'm getting this one: http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=357 |
| 06:14.54 | kergoth | malreth: did you see the baby shirt that says "My IQ is higher than the president's."? |
| 06:14.58 | kergoth | its great :) |
| 06:15.06 | malreth | yeah! |
| 06:15.56 | malreth | i'm partial to the "they shake me" shirt |
| 06:16.02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 06:16.08 | kergoth | have you seen teh worsethanhell section? |
| 06:16.09 | kergoth | man |
| 06:16.11 | Cair | they shake me? |
| 06:16.13 | kergoth | thats some seriously unpc shit |
| 06:16.31 | kergoth | i like the baby shirts: "All mommy wanted was a backrub." and "All daddy wanted was a blowjob." |
| 06:16.59 | Depherios | my favorites tehy took away |
| 06:17.04 | Depherios | clit R' us |
| 06:17.13 | Depherios | in the toys r us font |
| 06:17.21 | Depherios | and "I'm keeping my baby" with a fetus in a jar |
| 06:17.25 | malreth | omg... that page is awful |
| 06:18.16 | kergoth | hahaha, panties that say "Where the fuck are my pants?" |
| 06:19.15 | kergoth | i need to get this one for a friend of mine thats ina wheelchair: http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=517 |
| 06:19.40 | malreth | i had a friend that got a d-tag just to park |
| 06:20.23 | kergoth | i /need/ to buy http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=380 and http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=445 |
| 06:21.54 | kergoth | bored |
| 06:22.23 | malreth | heh... i am totally that second shirt |
| 06:22.46 | malreth | huh? whazzat hon? nothing dear, i'm just chatting on irc. |
| 06:23.10 | malreth | ok... s/am/was/ |
| 06:23.42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 06:31.38 | malreth | later all... |
| 06:55.44 | Stylpe | Hmm, aren't there global strings containing localised names for tradeskills? =( |
| 07:04.10 | Iriel | No, but you can probably find them in the player's spell book by their icons? |
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| 08:55.31 | Stylpe | What the hell does %1$s mean in a string to be formatted with string.format? |
| 09:02.11 | Stylpe | "You create %s" is for german clients "Ihr erschafft %1$s.". Why? It doesn't even work in the standard Lua interpreter |
| 09:22.52 | Anduin|Study | ya, we've noticed. It's sposed to be for order of format arguments, but I dont know how to handle it |
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| 09:47.10 | Vallerius | evenin' all |
| 09:47.16 | Cair | hi Vallerius |
| 09:47.17 | Stylpe | gday |
| 09:47.37 | Stylpe | Anduin|Study: How nice of Bliz to document taht 'feature' =P |
| 09:48.02 | Vallerius | wow, people are still awake! i guess i'm not the only one up all night coding :p |
| 09:48.21 | Stylpe | It's 10:48 AM here |
| 09:48.26 | Anduin|Study | ya, kinda liek the 'flags' on SetFont |
| 09:48.37 | Cair | lol, some of us are EU, some are US, some are Aussie |
| 09:48.48 | Anduin|Study | and ur none of the above |
| 09:48.54 | Anduin|Study | :P |
| 09:48.58 | Cair | nope, I'm not |
| 09:48.58 | Vallerius | good point :) |
| 09:49.10 | Kolth | Neither am I! |
| 09:49.18 | Anduin|Study | well at least she's somewhat selfless, i can't complain |
| 09:49.40 | Anduin|Study | if i had wrote it US woulda been frist ;) |
| 09:49.57 | Anduin|Study | but then that's the nature of us spoiled, arogant american, eh? |
| 09:50.08 | Cair | meh |
| 09:50.15 | Anduin|Study | ok. i didn't mean to start anythign there. i'm gonan shutup now |
| 09:50.34 | Anduin|Study | meh <-- good response |
| 09:50.38 | Cair | *giggles at Anduin|Study* |
| 09:50.52 | Anduin|Study | ok, this is me not shutting up |
| 09:51.07 | Cair | really? we'd never noticed! ;) |
| 09:51.12 | Cair | ~tease Anduin|Study |
| 09:51.14 | purl | ACTION tickles Anduin|Study with a feather and makes Anduin|Study rotflmaopimp-ing |
| 09:51.16 | Anduin|Study | i said meh at work today and a coworker started cracking up |
| 09:51.28 | Stylpe | haha |
| 09:51.31 | Cair | why? |
| 09:51.36 | Anduin|Study | she said it was like saying 'lol' in public |
| 09:51.43 | Cair | no it's not! |
| 09:51.47 | Anduin|Study | that's what i said |
| 09:51.53 | Cair | it's *nothing* like it |
| 09:52.10 | Anduin|Study | 'meh' is inherently verbal, whereas lol is an acronym always typed |
| 09:52.13 | Cair | your coworker is weird :p |
| 09:52.37 | Vallerius | did you say 'roffle' in response? |
| 09:52.39 | Anduin|Study | ya, she's quitting and going to be a model... |
| 09:53.02 | Cair | well, and "meh" is a ... non-commital, "whatever" type of noise |
| 09:53.02 | Anduin|Study | heh, tempting. but i was trying to avoid exherting more of my nerdiness |
| 09:53.08 | Anduin|Study | i agree cair |
| 09:53.22 | Anduin|Study | i say meh all the time |
| 09:53.36 | Cair | lol is an acronym |
| 09:53.42 | Cair | they are *nothing* alike |
| 09:53.48 | Anduin|Study | right. i said that :P |
| 09:53.51 | Cair | your coworker is weird :p |
| 09:53.54 | Anduin|Study | lol |
| 09:54.22 | Anduin|Study | ok, well i'm done failing 2 finals today... got another to fail tomorrow |
| 09:54.32 | Anduin|Study | and then another on thursday |
| 09:54.37 | Cair | oh ugh, not good Anduin|Study :( |
| 09:54.55 | Anduin|Study | ya. that's study's not really happening |
| 09:55.12 | Cair | I'm gonna start banning you from the channel |
| 09:55.24 | Cair | just so you have nothing better to do than study |
| 09:55.32 | Cair | :p |
| 09:55.45 | Cair | and don't think I won't, either |
| 09:55.46 | Anduin|Failing | there's always something better to do than what you dont want to do |
| 09:56.05 | Anduin|Failing | for isntance, i just bought fantastic 4.. |
| 09:56.13 | Kolth | Karl, I can do some work for you, undoubtedly. |
| 09:56.27 | Cair | Karl, NO, BAD programmer, no cookie! |
| 09:56.35 | Anduin|Failing | ur gonna read my texts for me and memorize my vocab? |
| 09:56.58 | Anduin|Failing | aleady did all the operating systems stuff. that class is over |
| 09:57.24 | Anduin|Failing | just gender studies: pop culture, and linguistics: syntax |
| 09:57.42 | Kolth | I know pop culture! |
| 09:57.55 | Anduin|Failing | mmm |
| 09:57.56 | Kalroth | Duran Duran ftw! |
| 09:58.05 | Kolth | See? Kal' knows1 |
| 09:58.05 | Cair | lol Kalroth! |
| 09:58.22 | Kolth | oh, btw, Kal.... Did AC go free (if you commit to seeing ingame advertisements?) |
| 09:58.50 | Kalroth | Nopes, I haven't looked into AC for quite a while |
| 09:58.51 | Kolth | A friend insists they did but I can't find any hints to back it up. |
| 10:04.27 | Anduin|Failing | people just suck... all of them. they all suck at communicating, living, loving, helping, being good, being content, being purposeful... meh |
| 10:05.23 | Kolth | Karl: Go take a break or something! |
| 10:05.37 | Anduin|Failing | it's finals week. there is no break |
| 10:05.53 | Anduin|Failing | break is after finals |
| 10:06.06 | Anduin|Failing | now == hell |
| 10:07.35 | Cair | Anduin|Comotose: I agree, people suck. Luckily, person(s) don't |
| 10:08.19 | Anduin|Comatose | i used to be a person. now i'm just a people |
| 10:09.44 | Cair | *comfort Karl* |
| 10:09.52 | Anduin|Comatose | being what you hate sucks too |
| 10:10.22 | Anduin|Comatose | ok. i'm done. someone say something happy. i'm gonna go try to sleep |
| 10:10.32 | Cair | sweetie, you really gotta get laid |
| 10:10.39 | Cair | lol |
| 10:10.43 | Anduin|Comatose | it's been suggested |
| 10:11.08 | Cair | get some sleep |
| 10:16.01 | zeeg | O.o |
| 10:16.36 | Cair | morning zeeg |
| 10:17.04 | zeeg | hopefully not for long |
| 10:17.09 | zeeg | i dont get why i keep waking up at 3am :| |
| 10:21.29 | Codayus | Dude, bogus! |
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| 10:22.42 | Cair | morning Industrial |
| 10:24.09 | Industrial | morning |
| 10:24.40 | Industrial | I threatened to stop with my driving lessons yesterday (towards my parents) |
| 10:25.07 | Industrial | I work my butt off 40 hours a week and "fetch" 250 euro's per month for it |
| 10:25.19 | Industrial | wich *drum roll* all goes to the driving lessons |
| 10:25.56 | Industrial | I have um, 2 friends. i see them once a week for about an hour |
| 10:25.58 | zeeg | how old are you? |
| 10:26.04 | Industrial | 18 |
| 10:26.14 | zeeg | just taking driving lessons? |
| 10:26.16 | zeeg | (i dont know how europe works) |
| 10:26.25 | Industrial | You can when you are 18 here ;) |
| 10:26.28 | zeeg | we take em at 15 here |
| 10:26.33 | Kolth | 14 here |
| 10:26.35 | Industrial | But we also dont have automatic transmissions etc |
| 10:26.36 | zeeg | i hear ya tho |
| 10:26.49 | Industrial | (in the cars) |
| 10:26.51 | zeeg | just started taking morning classes this week |
| 10:26.52 | zeeg | and now i got no time |
| 10:26.59 | zeeg | and im awake and its 4:30 in the morning |
| 10:27.01 | zeeg | for some fucking reason |
| 10:27.17 | zeeg | i got priorites straight tho, no worries... it goes socialize -> work -> school :P |
| 10:27.23 | Industrial | 08:00 - 19:00 work |
| 10:27.30 | Industrial | (including travel times) |
| 10:27.34 | zeeg | btw Kolth, im gonna build the spider for mmotheatre this weekend problem |
| 10:27.40 | Kolth | Awesome! |
| 10:27.42 | Industrial | 19:00 - 19:30 eat |
| 10:27.53 | Industrial | 19:30 - 20:00 go to wherever i need to go |
| 10:28.05 | Industrial | 20:00 - 22:00 sport or driving lessons |
| 10:28.09 | zeeg | Industrial, my work is just website stuff, doesnt take up a lot of time unless I let it, but I have classes 3 hours a day + sleep, but i also try to start up new projects which add to the time |
| 10:28.13 | Industrial | 22:00 - 22:30 go back home |
| 10:28.31 | Industrial | 22:30 - 23:00/24:00 HOMEWORK |
| 10:28.34 | zeeg | if id stop waking up in the middle of the night i could probably do it, i fell asleep at like 2pm yesterday :| |
| 10:28.36 | Industrial | gg life sucks |
| 10:28.59 | Industrial | zeeg: I have an internship this year, thats work :P |
| 10:29.07 | Industrial | i make websites |
| 10:29.11 | zeeg | o rly |
| 10:29.12 | zeeg | want a job? |
| 10:29.12 | zeeg | :p |
| 10:29.15 | Industrial | ;E |
| 10:29.21 | zeeg | :| |
| 10:29.29 | Industrial | things like |
| 10:29.45 | Industrial | form generators |
| 10:29.49 | zeeg | o |
| 10:29.54 | Industrial | wich link to like.. umm. a vacancy |
| 10:30.00 | zeeg | i jneed designers |
| 10:30.02 | zeeg | :| |
| 10:30.04 | Industrial | and the client can do things like |
| 10:30.18 | Industrial | link "rules" to form items |
| 10:30.28 | zeeg | im working on an ajax form validator thing |
| 10:30.32 | zeeg | when im not lazy |
| 10:30.34 | zeeg | ill probably never finish it |
| 10:30.38 | Industrial | and the applicant complies he gets thrown into the "passed" bunch |
| 10:30.39 | Industrial | etc |
| 10:30.43 | Industrial | CMS mocules |
| 10:30.46 | Industrial | modules |
| 10:30.47 | Industrial | ;p |
| 10:31.07 | Industrial | but its in ASP Jscript and i hate it |
| 10:31.11 | Industrial | i also hate PHP |
| 10:31.18 | Industrial | and im too lazy to learn ruby on rails |
| 10:31.26 | zeeg | your internship isnt using .NET? |
| 10:31.29 | zeeg | That's hint to get the fuck out :) |
| 10:31.34 | Industrial | heh |
| 10:31.39 | Industrial | the cms itself is .net |
| 10:31.44 | Industrial | the different websites arent |
| 10:31.48 | Industrial | ease of deployment |
| 10:31.49 | Industrial | :p |
| 10:32.03 | Industrial | aso jscript (no ,net) looks alot like php |
| 10:32.10 | zeeg | cms doesnt make any real money anyways :| |
| 10:32.14 | Industrial | no :( |
| 10:32.26 | Industrial | the trouble is people think too lightly of it as a product |
| 10:32.27 | zeeg | today's wedsneday |
| 10:32.31 | zeeg | someone remind me to update honor rankings tonight |
| 10:32.35 | Industrial | but its top notch wtfomg technical shit |
| 10:32.48 | zeeg | cms' aren't all too complex |
| 10:32.59 | Industrial | they can get very complex :) |
| 10:33.04 | Industrial | well |
| 10:33.05 | Industrial | big.. |
| 10:33.06 | Industrial | :p |
| 10:33.18 | zeeg | large projects usually, ya |
| 10:33.52 | Industrial | got a nice cluster of transact SQL (MS SQL) servers running for the live server :P |
| 10:34.17 | Industrial | man, i need to pass all these things for my internship |
| 10:34.17 | zeeg | all mine run off one server yet :| |
| 10:34.20 | Industrial | 16 different items |
| 10:34.26 | Industrial | 26* |
| 10:34.42 | Industrial | i finished like 50% on 25% of my time |
| 10:35.15 | Industrial | i work my butt off, so i can go to my next school :O |
| 10:35.25 | zeeg | :| |
| 10:35.38 | zeeg | im going to class to get my High School Diploma vs the GED I have :P so I can attend school next fall |
| 10:35.45 | zeeg | it started monday, ill probably be out of there by next week |
| 10:35.48 | Industrial | *fetches dutch educational system chart picture* |
| 10:35.52 | zeeg | idk if i can last that long.. so tired |
| 10:36.20 | Industrial | http://www.iias.nl/oideion/journal/issue01/bisschop/multimed/diagram.gif |
| 10:36.26 | Industrial | right, what i did is |
| 10:36.38 | Industrial | promary education |
| 10:36.39 | Industrial | then mavo |
| 10:36.41 | Industrial | now MBO |
| 10:36.46 | Industrial | i was lazy |
| 10:36.47 | Industrial | :p |
| 10:37.03 | Industrial | could have done VWO and go right to university after |
| 10:37.15 | Industrial | where im standing now, (MBO) that would take me at least 5-6 years |
| 10:37.28 | Industrial | bastards |
| 10:37.28 | zeeg | im going to a uni |
| 10:37.29 | Industrial | :X |
| 10:37.54 | Industrial | this MBO is pieca cake. especially because its Mediatechnology i'm doing |
| 10:38.01 | zeeg | ya |
| 10:38.01 | Industrial | wich is my hobby |
| 10:38.02 | Industrial | :D |
| 10:38.06 | zeeg | i dont really need the school stuff i just want to go |
| 10:38.10 | zeeg | to socialize :P |
| 10:38.10 | Industrial | me 2 |
| 10:38.12 | Industrial | haha |
| 10:38.29 | Industrial | o well |
| 10:38.31 | Industrial | back to work |
| 10:38.53 | Industrial | before the boss stands behind me with a whip >_> |
| 10:39.01 | Industrial | wirst thing is |
| 10:39.06 | Industrial | i work for his BMW |
| 10:39.12 | zeeg | car? |
| 10:39.15 | Industrial | yea |
| 10:39.19 | zeeg | O.o |
| 10:39.53 | Industrial | man, i can stand still and do nothing and he wont feel it (in finance) |
| 10:40.12 | zeeg | http://www.body-kit.com/hyu03tibsc201.html |
| 10:40.14 | Industrial | but on the other hand, the work i do does pay for his BMW so he does feel it |
| 10:40.16 | zeeg | thats the car im getting in jan |
| 10:40.17 | Cair | okay, sleep time, back in a few hours |
| 10:40.18 | zeeg | w/ the kit |
| 10:40.21 | Industrial | wich means HE NEED TO PAY ME MORE :@:@:@:@ |
| 10:40.26 | Industrial | nn Cair|sleep |
| 10:40.32 | zeeg | lol |
| 10:42.23 | Tekkub | shouldn't that be IndustryWork? |
| 10:42.38 | Tekkub | IndstrlWork |
| 10:42.57 | Tekkub | IndieWork? |
| 10:43.07 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:44.17 | id`wrk | tkb`wrk ? |
| 10:44.18 | id`wrk | :p |
| 10:44.36 | Tekkub | TekWerk |
| 10:44.40 | id`wrk | I like to release addons with idName |
| 10:44.50 | id`wrk | so um |
| 10:44.55 | id`wrk | <---- link ---^ |
| 10:45.00 | id`wrk | ^^ |
| 10:45.00 | Tekkub | oro? |
| 10:45.10 | id`wrk | yaro |
| 10:45.14 | id`wrk | :S |
| 10:45.25 | Tekkub | orlie? |
| 10:45.40 | id`wrk | yarlie |
| 10:45.45 | id`wrk | YARL!@ |
| 10:45.51 | id`wrk | :p |
| 10:46.04 | id`wrk | (pirate) YARL!@ |
| 11:28.47 | zeeg | this is such a pain in the ass |
| 11:29.12 | zeeg | blizzard didn't put faction data inside the questcache.wdb, so vs doing how alla does it (manually saying this quest goes w/ this npc/this faction) i have to make it "smart" :| |
| 11:29.43 | id`wrk | Anyone use the SciTE editor? |
| 11:29.57 | id`wrk | im poking at it (on windows) but the fonts are HORRIBLE |
| 11:30.07 | id`wrk | it uses COMIC SANS for CODE! |
| 11:30.13 | id`wrk | so.. i need to change that |
| 11:30.16 | id`wrk | but how :> |
| 11:30.23 | Tekkub | I like comic sans /cry |
| 11:30.29 | Tekkub | and I use UltraEdit |
| 11:30.50 | Tekkub | I like WoW UI Designer... but OI! it's heavy on the resources |
| 11:30.50 | Kolth | id: Scite does not by default use Comic Sans. |
| 11:32.07 | zeeg | i like scite |
| 11:32.18 | zeeg | at least the LUA one i have |
| 11:32.34 | zeeg | but i like editplus for everything else |
| 11:32.39 | zeeg | i probably only use scite because it's default for .lua files |
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| 11:38.15 | id`wrk | Kolth: ill make a screenshot :p |
| 11:38.54 | Kolth | id: If it's using Comic Sans you have 1) A custom copy or 2) Set something funky in Windows |
| 11:39.10 | Kolth | You can change its font by opening its Global Configuration |
| 11:39.53 | id`wrk | http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1753/untitled6ui.png |
| 11:41.01 | Kolth | Doesn' tload. |
| 11:41.06 | Kolth | nvm |
| 11:41.14 | Kolth | That's crazy. |
| 11:43.28 | Malivil | <# WoW UI Designer |
| 11:43.30 | Malivil | *<3 |
| 11:43.41 | Malivil | 300+ lines of xml without writing ANY |
| 11:44.20 | zeeg | Kolth! |
| 11:44.21 | zeeg | kill her for me |
| 11:45.20 | Kolth | I will do no such thing! |
| 11:45.28 | zeeg | :( |
| 11:45.33 | zeeg | i hope this works |
| 11:45.56 | id`wrk | Kolth: default windows install |
| 11:46.09 | Kolth | id: Then Custom copy. |
| 11:46.19 | id`wrk | wha? -_^ |
| 11:46.47 | Kolth | of SciTE |
| 11:47.38 | id`wrk | font.comment=font:Comic Sans MS,size:9 |
| 11:47.38 | id`wrk | god |
| 11:47.39 | id`wrk | :p |
| 11:47.49 | id`wrk | baaaaka's :P |
| 11:47.56 | Kolth | :P |
| 11:48.35 | id`wrk | can i use font.* = ? |
| 11:48.40 | id`wrk | i want only 1 font |
| 11:53.48 | zeeg | ok i THINK i got it working :D |
| 11:54.00 | zeeg | should update an entire line of quests w/ their correct faction as soon as it sees one.. hopefully |
| 11:57.54 | zeeg | ugh this is getting too tedious |
| 11:57.59 | zeeg | http://pastebin.com/452312 |
| 11:58.00 | zeeg | lol |
| 11:58.16 | zeeg | probably would be easier if i just built a query, but that's too much thinking at 6am |
| 12:23.48 | Vallerius | hmm.. can textures be sized multiples of any power of two, or are they limited (other than the max 256 limit)? |
| 12:27.10 | Vallerius | n/m... just had to reload the game to get it to recognize them |
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| 12:36.48 | krka|work | and thus i conclude the lecture |
| 12:37.23 | krka|work | Vallerius, yeah it sucks that textures aren't reloaded upon ReloadUI() :/ |
| 12:56.16 | Kolth | Is there an Ace #chan? |
| 13:15.52 | swede|lurker | anyone have an Athlon 64 X2 ? |
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| 13:26.39 | swede|lurker | no athlon X2 users in the house ? |
| 13:28.06 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Beladona|Sleep (n=Beladona@115-60.124-70.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 13:28.26 | Vallerius | success! |
| 13:29.17 | Vallerius | added a drag handle to the corner of the BF minimap and made it resizable |
| 13:29.33 | swede|lurker | OMG!!! |
| 13:29.35 | swede|lurker | send. |
| 13:29.39 | swede|lurker | bjorn.sodergren@gmail.com |
| 13:29.40 | swede|lurker | heh |
| 13:29.58 | Kalroth | swede|lurker: soon I hope, is there a problem with X"? |
| 13:30.00 | Kalroth | X2 |
| 13:30.04 | Legorol^ | Vallerius: if you don't mind me asking, what solution are you using for dragging? |
| 13:30.12 | swede|lurker | how do you know if teh dual processor part is working ? |
| 13:30.13 | Legorol^ | Are you using the <OnDragStart> etc. handlers? |
| 13:30.14 | sarf|WoW | Anyone have the enGB downloader? |
| 13:30.18 | Legorol^ | sarf: yes |
| 13:30.23 | Legorol^ | what do you need? |
| 13:30.23 | sarf|WoW | DCC ? |
| 13:30.31 | sarf|WoW | Downloading update: 0% bug |
| 13:30.32 | Legorol^ | oh for the 1.8.4 patch? |
| 13:30.35 | sarf|WoW | Yes please. |
| 13:30.44 | Legorol^ | oh humm... em... i might not have that one yet, let me check |
| 13:31.02 | Vallerius | slouken actually had this half-implemented already |
| 13:31.23 | Vallerius | sets a flag on the frame, then calls StartSizing() |
| 13:31.38 | Legorol^ | ok the reason why i am asking, |
| 13:31.53 | Vallerius | during the OnUpdate handler, check the flag. if set, resize everything inside |
| 13:31.55 | Legorol^ | are you handling the actual mouse clicks using an <OnDragStart> or an <OnMouseDown> and <OnMouseUp> pair |
| 13:32.06 | Vallerius | mousedown/up |
| 13:32.12 | Legorol^ | ok |
| 13:32.23 | Legorol^ | because OnDragStart is the easier and intentded solution, but it is buggy |
| 13:32.33 | Legorol^ | OnMouseDown/OnMouseUp is the harder but it gives correct behaviour |
| 13:32.39 | Legorol^ | so just asking ;_) |
| 13:33.07 | Vallerius | i should also note that this is a complete replacement for the battlefield minimap and it will probably only work with 1.9 |
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| 13:33.31 | Vallerius | had to do too many XML changes |
| 13:33.34 | Kalroth | swede|lurker: is working? easy, heh, go into task manager and view the cpu part |
| 13:33.45 | Kalroth | swede|lurker: if there's two cpu monitors, then it works |
| 13:34.11 | Kalroth | swede|lurker: you can also right click processes and see if you got 'set affinity' option (basically which cpu the process should use) |
| 13:34.52 | Kalroth | besides that, there's a lot of different system utilities that can tell you |
| 13:34.58 | Kalroth | CPU-Z, AIDA 32, etc |
| 13:35.16 | swede|lurker | hmm.. |
| 13:35.26 | krka|work | yeah, i tried the ondrag-stuff but it sucked, it felt like it didn't react directly |
| 13:35.42 | swede|lurker | well.. i dont see none of that.. but my motherboard reconigizes it as an X2 dual core proc |
| 13:37.17 | sarf|WoW | Got it Legorol :) |
| 13:49.03 | swede|lurker | grr.. |
| 13:51.05 | swede|lurker | in my device manager, i have two processor devices, for the dual core, but in task manager i only see one cpu perf window and no way to change the affinity |
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| 14:15.23 | RasmusKL | Uh, any graphics card gurus online? :-) |
| 14:15.31 | RasmusKL | Need a bit of help choosing my new gfx card. |
| 14:15.36 | Kalroth | Good luck :) |
| 14:15.48 | RasmusKL | :-P |
| 14:19.12 | Osagasu | what's up? |
| 14:19.26 | Osagasu | and what's your price range? |
| 14:20.41 | Osagasu | Gah, just PM me with the imfo, I'll get back to you when I get home |
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| 14:21.41 | swede|lurker | so, here's my problem, CPU-Z says i have a athlon 64 X2 dual core proc. however the processor selection box is grayed out, like its not running dual. |
| 14:22.18 | Osagasu | dual core =/= two processors. |
| 14:22.36 | RasmusKL | Well, Osagasu, it's just an 8x AGP card I'm looking for. |
| 14:22.56 | RasmusKL | And not too pricey :-) |
| 14:22.58 | swede|lurker | dual core is two processors on the same die. |
| 14:23.00 | Osagasu | no breakfast for me today. >.< |
| 14:23.01 | RasmusKL | But better than my old Ti-4200 |
| 14:23.13 | Osagasu | they still count as one when it comes down to it |
| 14:23.17 | swede|lurker | i know others with this CPU and they have all the same "features" of a dual, single proc system |
| 14:23.21 | Osagasu | anything's better than that |
| 14:23.25 | swede|lurker | i.e. can mutli-thread CPUs |
| 14:23.46 | swede|lurker | have wow run on one cpu process, and something else on another. |
| 14:23.52 | RasmusKL | Well, what'd you recommend then Osagasu? :-P |
| 14:24.11 | RasmusKL | We can talk later if you're busy with stuff though :-) Not that much rush. |
| 14:25.01 | Osagasu | go with the 6600GT or the 6800/6800 GT |
| 14:25.07 | Osagasu | look at newegg for the prices |
| 14:25.12 | Osagasu | BYENOTEXAMTIME |
| 14:26.06 | sarf|WoW | Good luck Osa|XAM! |
| 14:26.46 | Kalroth | swede|lurker: you can't change affinity of the wow process |
| 14:27.06 | Kalroth | swede|lurker: Blizzards "anti-hacking" stuff makes sure of that |
| 14:28.17 | Kalroth | and X2 is two processors and it's shown in Windows as 2 |
| 14:28.24 | swede|lurker | not in mine :( |
| 14:28.33 | Kalroth | Are you using Windows 95? :P |
| 14:28.34 | swede|lurker | my motherboard says it supports it too. |
| 14:28.37 | swede|lurker | :) |
| 14:29.03 | Kalroth | you did a full reinstall? |
| 14:29.09 | swede|lurker | hmm.. |
| 14:29.10 | sarf|noWoW | Kalroth> Only if you allow Blizzard to do what it want. Run it as a user process and then tell it what to do.. at least I've heard that works |
| 14:29.15 | Legorol^ | sarf, what's with the noWOW bit ;) |
| 14:29.17 | Legorol^ | servers not up? |
| 14:29.30 | swede|lurker | i'll have to re-install it to see if i can get dual proc running then. |
| 14:29.48 | swede|lurker | the problem is that this copy of windows has had several mb changes on its key and calling MS to re-activate it sucks. |
| 14:29.56 | sarf|noWoW | Legorol^> Server sare up. Realm list is not. Auth server is up. |
| 14:30.03 | swede|lurker | "omg repeat this 45 char string into phone " |
| 14:30.26 | sarf|noWoW | Can't login to servers but can connect to auth server |
| 14:30.32 | Legorol^ | In case WoW is giving you troubles in terms of not allowing you to change priority and/or affinity (because of the anti-cheat system), i know a little about how to go around that |
| 14:30.44 | Legorol^ | let me know if you need help there |
| 14:30.56 | swede|lurker | let me get windows see'in two processors first : |
| 14:30.59 | Legorol^ | and NO, i do not run cheats, hacks or bot! |
| 14:31.05 | swede|lurker | it shows two processors in the hardware manager too |
| 14:31.12 | Legorol^ | that doesn't say much.. |
| 14:31.24 | Legorol^ | i have a single process with HT technology and it shows up as 2 entries in device manager |
| 14:31.38 | sarf|noWoW | A process with HT? Cool ^^ |
| 14:31.59 | Kalroth | swede|lurker: have you checked http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_871_13118,00.html? |
| 14:32.05 | Kalroth | there might be something of use |
| 14:32.39 | Kalroth | Windows XP Sp2 should have fixed most of the problems, but still .. |
| 14:32.51 | Legorol^ | sarf, i meant processor |
| 14:32.52 | Legorol^ | gah |
| 14:32.55 | sarf|noWoW | :) |
| 14:33.01 | sarf|noWoW | Eek! |
| 14:33.15 | Legorol^ | ticklish? |
| 14:33.17 | sarf|noWoW | Can anyone get to http://www.wow-europe.com/en/serverstatus/ |
| 14:33.17 | sarf|noWoW | Yeah |
| 14:33.38 | Kalroth | nopes sarfy, EU is hosed once more |
| 14:33.44 | sarf|noWoW | Boo-yah. |
| 14:33.48 | Legorol^ | nope, dead for me too |
| 14:33.58 | Kalroth | I wish Blizzard would get a clue about those servers, we've been having crappy servers for months now |
| 14:34.17 | sarf|noWoW | Yes. |
| 14:34.28 | sarf|noWoW | And every patch it's like "WOW! People are like... logging in! And stuff!" |
| 14:34.30 | Legorol^ | i don't think it's that simple, Kalroth |
| 14:34.32 | Kalroth | Vael in BWL is really hard with 10-20 lag spikes |
| 14:34.35 | Kalroth | Legorol^: it's not |
| 14:34.41 | Vallerius | swede|lurker: http://homepage.usask.ca/~rss050/mods/BattlefieldStretchyMap.zip |
| 14:34.43 | swede|lurker | kal, the AMD clock that shows the speed of each core, is only showing one cpu too :( |
| 14:34.45 | swede|lurker | or core |
| 14:34.50 | Kalroth | it's their infrastructure that's fucked, they got interconnected datacenters in France and Germany |
| 14:34.55 | Legorol^ | the issue is not the servers or blizzard's knowledge about them |
| 14:35.03 | Legorol^ | the issue is the low supply of hamster-food |
| 14:35.04 | sarf|noWoW | The issue is $$$ ? |
| 14:35.06 | sarf|noWoW | Yeah |
| 14:35.09 | swede|lurker | brb |
| 14:35.10 | sarf|noWoW | That'd explain it |
| 14:35.17 | sarf|noWoW | Good luck in your mission swede|lurker |
| 14:35.18 | Legorol^ | they have to import high-quality fine grain material from abroad |
| 14:35.29 | Legorol^ | to achieve peek hamster efficiency |
| 14:35.39 | sarf|noWoW | Nah, I think they're sticking to Euroshopper hamster food :/ |
| 14:35.48 | Legorol^ | which would explain the outages.. |
| 14:35.53 | sarf|noWoW | all filled with genetically enlarged moisturizers. |
| 14:36.01 | Kalroth | and extreme server lag |
| 14:36.09 | Kalroth | trying to kill Vael with 10-20 second lagspikes >< |
| 14:36.11 | sarf|noWoW | That's just the Hamsters slowing down |
| 14:36.20 | Legorol^ | Kalroth: which server? |
| 14:36.26 | Kalroth | Stormrage |
| 14:36.36 | Legorol^ | you are EU too? i didn't know |
| 14:36.41 | Kalroth | Yeah, I am :) |
| 14:36.45 | Legorol^ | let's have a show of hands, who else is EU ;-) |
| 14:36.49 | sarf|noWoW | "Gir! Your filthy human food has made me sick to my stomach. Fetch me the BUCKET!" |
| 14:36.57 | sarf|noWoW | Me! |
| 14:37.14 | Kalroth | Kolth wishes he was EU, but he's on the wrong side of earth! |
| 14:37.29 | sarf|noWoW | That doesn't stop our canadian player :9 |
| 14:37.31 | sarf|noWoW | :) |
| 14:37.31 | Legorol^ | i wish they finally did EU-US transfers |
| 14:37.47 | Legorol^ | i actually think taht Blizz was a bit dodgy on that |
| 14:37.49 | Kalroth | sarf, haha, I've got a canadian friend that plays on EU too |
| 14:37.52 | Legorol^ | i know they didn't promise a specific timeline |
| 14:38.01 | Legorol^ | but they did say they will have some solution after launch |
| 14:38.20 | Legorol^ | i am sure that a lot of people went along and bought EU copies for the time being, hoping that pretty soon they will be able to move to US |
| 14:38.22 | Kolth | Kal: You are right, sadly. |
| 14:38.42 | sarf|noWoW | Yeah... well, our canadian friend is actually a Brit that had to move there for work |
| 14:39.10 | Legorol^ | so I think Blizzard wasn't quite fair on this one, and i would even go as far as saying that their marketing department could have possibly pulled one on the consumers to entice them to buy the game with false promises |
| 14:39.53 | Legorol^ | i normally am sympathetic with Blizz and don't agree with complainers about server stability etc., but on this one i have to wonder what the various business bureaues/oversight thingies would say |
| 14:40.38 | Legorol^ | it's bordering on false advertising, although admittedly a grey area |
| 14:40.54 | Legorol^ | Sarf, realm status page now up |
| 14:42.02 | sarf|noWoW | Hmm |
| 14:42.03 | sarf|noWoW | Checking |
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| 14:45.32 | Legorol^ | zomg, Blizz gets their version control/parallel development of code wrong! Read this: |
| 14:45.39 | ForgottenLords | question: is it possible to iterate a table that is indexed by strings? |
| 14:45.42 | Legorol^ | http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general-en&t=694431&p=1&tmp=1#post694431 |
| 14:45.48 | Legorol^ | ForgottenLords: yes |
| 14:45.50 | krka|work | ForgottenLords, yes |
| 14:45.52 | krka|work | damn nit |
| 14:45.53 | ForgottenLords | how? |
| 14:46.02 | krka|work | same was as with number keys |
| 14:46.03 | Legorol^ | for index, entry in pairs(yourTable) do ... end |
| 14:46.04 | krka|work | way |
| 14:46.08 | Legorol^ | not quite, krka |
| 14:46.17 | krka|work | you won't get them in any specific order btw |
| 14:46.22 | Legorol^ | i assume that ForgottenLords means iterating an "array" in the form of for i=1, 10 do table[i] .. end |
| 14:46.36 | ForgottenLords | yeah, like that |
| 14:46.47 | ForgottenLords | but not using i, but a string variable |
| 14:46.52 | Legorol^ | the generic iterator construct is this: |
| 14:46.52 | Legorol^ | for index, entry in pairs(yourTable) do ... end |
| 14:46.53 | krka|work | technically i wouldn't call that iterating over a table |
| 14:47.01 | Legorol^ | yes, you wouldn't |
| 14:47.13 | Legorol^ | but i read the minds of beginner coders and try to understand what they mean ;-) |
| 14:47.36 | krka|work | yeah, I suck at understanding how other people think |
| 14:47.37 | ForgottenLords | Ok, I'll try that, thanks |
| 14:47.45 | Legorol^ | ForgottenLords: the iterator construct i gave you will iterate any table with any type of keys, without any guarantees at the order you get the entries in |
| 14:48.08 | Legorol^ | if you for example iterated a table which has only integer indices (i.e. is like an array), there is no guarantee that you iterate them in the order 1, 2, 3, ... |
| 14:48.29 | Legorol^ | krka: i don't think you do |
| 14:48.44 | krka|work | no guarantee even for integer keys? |
| 14:48.49 | Legorol^ | nope |
| 14:48.53 | sarf|noWoW | I don't think so either |
| 14:48.53 | ForgottenLords | Order doesnt really matter in my case |
| 14:49.01 | sarf|noWoW | tho it may be the case 99% of the implementations of Lua |
| 14:49.11 | krka|work | yeah, that would be the natural way to implement it |
| 14:49.15 | sarf|noWoW | Then you're home free :) |
| 14:49.15 | Legorol^ | i am pretty sure if you did some table.insert in the middle it would screw the order |
| 14:49.25 | ForgottenLords | I just want to avoid a set of parralel tables to hold data |
| 14:49.32 | Legorol^ | sure |
| 14:49.52 | Legorol^ | krka: i have teaching experience, and part of it is trying to think with the (confused) student's head |
| 14:50.03 | Legorol^ | and see what they were trying to think, and where there thinking is wrong |
| 14:50.19 | krka|work | i have tried being a lab assistant for a programming course and I sucked at it :/ |
| 14:50.20 | Legorol^ | let me tell you, it's not easy.. |
| 14:50.22 | krka|work | never again! |
| 14:50.43 | Legorol^ | then again, sometimes you get some surprises |
| 14:50.52 | krka|work | of course, that was in Haskell, which I didn't even fully master myself |
| 14:50.55 | sarf|noWoW | The way people think about things are amazing |
| 14:51.08 | krka|work | they way people can avoid thinking is even more amazing |
| 14:51.09 | Legorol^ | after having taught the same course for 3 years in a row, in the 4th year one of my students came up with an original, and simpler solution to an otherwise text book question |
| 14:51.12 | sarf|noWoW | (and totally wrong compared to the Real Ultimate Sarf way ^^ ) |
| 14:51.36 | krka|work | such students rock |
| 14:51.37 | sarf|noWoW | Yeah... guess that's one of the benefits of teaching |
| 14:51.46 | Legorol^ | that was exciting, i was like gosh, yeah, that actually works |
| 14:51.58 | krka|work | some teachers are very bad at handling that though |
| 14:51.58 | Legorol^ | had to spend some time understanding why it works and making sure the student didn't just get lucky |
| 14:52.04 | krka|work | (i was like that kinda) |
| 14:52.25 | Legorol^ | btw Sarf, i am confused about RageGenerator |
| 14:52.30 | sarf|noWoW | Yes? |
| 14:52.33 | Legorol^ | i have now read the code too, and am none the wiser |
| 14:52.38 | Legorol^ | what is it supposed to do? |
| 14:52.43 | sarf|noWoW | You press G. |
| 14:52.48 | sarf|noWoW | (or anything it's bound to) |
| 14:52.53 | Industrial | *phew* |
| 14:52.54 | Industrial | :p |
| 14:52.59 | krka|work | that's not so hard! |
| 14:53.01 | sarf|noWoW | It targets a critter, charges it and generates rage. |
| 14:53.15 | Legorol^ | right, that's what it looked like to me.. but when i actually press the binding, nothing happens |
| 14:53.19 | Industrial | it targets a critter? how? |
| 14:53.20 | Legorol^ | it complains that it couldn't find a target |
| 14:53.24 | sarf|noWoW | TargetByName |
| 14:53.25 | sarf|noWoW | Yeah |
| 14:53.34 | sarf|noWoW | Is there a critter in the neighbourhood? |
| 14:53.36 | Legorol^ | oh, when you say critter, you actually mean CRITTER |
| 14:53.38 | krka|work | you targetbyname all possible critters? :) |
| 14:53.39 | sarf|noWoW | critter Yep |
| 14:53.42 | Legorol^ | as in the type of mob |
| 14:53.43 | sarf|noWoW | krka|work> Yep |
| 14:53.45 | sarf|noWoW | Yep |
| 14:53.49 | Legorol^ | aaaaaah, i get it now! |
| 14:53.49 | krka|work | cool idea |
| 14:54.00 | krka|work | what if you get something that's behind you? |
| 14:54.02 | Legorol^ | i assumed you used the term critter in the more generic "anything that moves" sense |
| 14:54.04 | krka|work | you don't want to charge that |
| 14:54.05 | Legorol^ | my bad |
| 14:54.08 | Legorol^ | erroneous thinking ;-) |
| 14:54.11 | sarf|noWoW | Heck no, those things fight back :) |
| 14:54.12 | Industrial | dunno seems kinda obsolete to make code for and put it all into ram.. |
| 14:54.16 | sarf|noWoW | Go to Southshore sometime |
| 14:54.35 | sarf|noWoW | you can get all the way to 100 there easily on the critters behind the blacksmith |
| 14:54.43 | sarf|noWoW | (Alliance village obviously) |
| 14:54.46 | ForgottenLords | Thanks Legorol^, it works perfectly |
| 14:54.50 | Legorol^ | so, am i right in my reading of the code that it's enough to do a quick mouseover with the mouse to scan the area? |
| 14:54.55 | Legorol^ | np, ForgottenLords |
| 14:55.03 | sarf|noWoW | Mouse-over => getting new critter name yes |
| 14:55.21 | sarf|noWoW | I am considering making each area have its own critter list to decrease lag |
| 14:55.32 | Legorol^ | lag? because of targetbyname? |
| 14:55.36 | sarf|noWoW | Yep |
| 14:55.43 | Legorol^ | with only a couple of entries i don't think it's a big issue, is it? |
| 14:55.43 | krka|work | i listened to a lecture a few days ago about Sumbers, an algebra for dealing with finite games theory. really weird stuff. among things there was a number > 0 but also smaller than all positive numbers |
| 14:55.49 | sarf|noWoW | Try to honk that key 5-10 times real fast |
| 14:55.52 | sarf|noWoW | game locks up |
| 14:56.03 | Legorol^ | right |
| 14:56.12 | Legorol^ | ok i got confused by the auto-charge-on-click stuff |
| 14:56.13 | sarf|noWoW | krka|work> really advanced math tends to make me go "guh?" |
| 14:56.22 | krka|work | yeah, this was it :/ |
| 14:56.24 | Legorol^ | since i noticed the option for that, i enabled it, and was like ehm... is this what it does? |
| 14:56.27 | sarf|noWoW | locks up temporarily that is |
| 14:56.34 | krka|work | introduced all sorts of weird objects |
| 14:57.13 | sarf|noWoW | :) |
| 14:57.22 | Legorol^ | i just noticed you are talking in #costest too |
| 14:57.24 | Legorol^ | :D |
| 14:57.36 | sarf|noWoW | Of course :) |
| 14:57.40 | Legorol^ | i can't pay attention to more than 1 channel at a time usually |
| 14:57.47 | sarf|noWoW | I'm not happy unless I do 3 things at the same time |
| 14:57.54 | sarf|noWoW | Unfortunately, I always try to do more |
| 14:57.54 | Legorol^ | which is why i moved my spamming to this one instead of #costest, more fun place |
| 14:57.56 | Industrial | have more desktops |
| 14:57.57 | Industrial | :p |
| 14:57.58 | sarf|noWoW | and I get frustrated at 5+ things |
| 14:58.02 | krka|work | multitasking isn't so hard, you just have to keep track of which window contains which conversation |
| 14:58.11 | krka|work | yes mom, i will do the dishes when I get home |
| 14:58.13 | krka|work | doh |
| 14:58.16 | Legorol^ | it's not the computer that's the issue, it's my brain.. |
| 14:58.18 | sarf|noWoW | On IRC?! |
| 14:58.23 | Legorol^ | i know my computer can multitask, i can't |
| 14:58.30 | sarf|noWoW | Sure you can |
| 14:58.36 | sarf|noWoW | Do what your computer does |
| 14:58.45 | Legorol^ | split my attention, i know... i hate doing that ;-) |
| 14:58.47 | krka|work | humans are turing complete |
| 14:58.49 | sarf|noWoW | and do several things in sequence really really fast and switch between them |
| 14:58.52 | Legorol^ | i like to intensely focus on on ething |
| 14:58.54 | krka|work | everything a computer can do, you can do! |
| 14:58.56 | Vallerius | context switch overhead sucks though : / |
| 14:59.02 | sarf|noWoW | Yeah :) |
| 14:59.09 | Legorol^ | krka: that makes me feel good |
| 14:59.23 | Legorol^ | now, i will just take this 100x100 table and try to invert it in 0.0001 second |
| 14:59.29 | Legorol^ | damn, it didn't work.. |
| 14:59.42 | krka|work | didn't say you could do it with equal speed |
| 14:59.51 | Legorol^ | but one thing a computer can do is to be quick ;-) |
| 14:59.52 | sarf|noWoW | Give a picture to a computer and make it recognize all objects in it |
| 14:59.57 | Legorol^ | so i can't do everything that the computer can do :p |
| 15:00.02 | sarf|noWoW | Of course you can |
| 15:00.14 | sarf|noWoW | You just have different performance :) |
| 15:00.17 | Legorol^ | not if one of the definitions of the computer's abilities includes performance |
| 15:00.30 | Legorol^ | i'd put performance under ability |
| 15:00.30 | krka|work | it appears we have different definitions of "capability" |
| 15:00.35 | Legorol^ | yep |
| 15:00.40 | sarf|noWoW | Computers make very fast, very accurate mistakes. |
| 15:00.49 | Legorol^ | haha, good one, although heard it before |
| 15:00.55 | sarf|noWoW | I'm capable of everything. |
| 15:01.04 | sarf|noWoW | I'm just a bit slow at accomplishing anything. :) |
| 15:01.09 | Legorol^ | i don't think society generally agrees with you, krka |
| 15:01.15 | krka|work | (I have realized that most arguments is just an attempt to figure out which basic definition there is disagreement on) |
| 15:01.17 | Legorol^ | in fact society in general includes performance in capability |
| 15:01.23 | Legorol^ | which is why an olimpic runner is famous and i'm not |
| 15:01.28 | Legorol^ | even thoguh i can run the same distance too ;-) |
| 15:01.43 | Legorol^ | krka, you are probably right |
| 15:01.56 | Legorol^ | i agree to agree that disagreeing about definitions is often the cause of arguments |
| 15:02.02 | sarf|noWoW | I've got a quote for you, Lego :) |
| 15:02.03 | sarf|noWoW | Pro'-gram 1) n. A magical spell cast over a computer which transforms user input into error messages. 2) vt. An activity similar to banging one's head against a wall, but with less opportunity for relief. |
| 15:02.10 | Kalroth | I disagree with both of you though |
| 15:02.12 | krka|work | some of the time people can have the same definitions but some of the people have reached false conclusions |
| 15:02.23 | Industrial | sarf|noWoW: hah |
| 15:02.26 | krka|work | lol sarf |
| 15:02.40 | Legorol^ | lol |
| 15:02.45 | sarf|noWoW | Kalroth> Yes, but you're a heathen, so we'll burn you at the stake and ignore your false beliefs. |
| 15:03.10 | sarf|noWoW | Don't worry, the Almighty Bureaucracy is processing our application. |
| 15:03.17 | Industrial | rofl |
| 15:03.27 | krka|work | perhaps your definition is better. I'll rephrase myself: anything a computer can compute, you can compute |
| 15:03.35 | sarf|noWoW | We'll check back in 100 years to see if there's been any progress in your case... or if we forgot to dot the ts and cross the fingers. |
| 15:04.02 | sarf|noWoW | "Computers are like the Old Testament God -- lots of rules and no mercy" |
| 15:04.02 | krka|work | ooh... major new feature in FF 1.6 |
| 15:04.04 | krka|work | 1.5 |
| 15:04.11 | Kalroth | wazzat? |
| 15:04.23 | krka|work | instead of popup upon bad page, there's a popup-like page shown instead |
| 15:04.28 | sarf|noWoW | FF? |
| 15:04.31 | krka|work | Firefox |
| 15:04.34 | sarf|noWoW | Aha |
| 15:04.37 | krka|work | it's a web browser |
| 15:04.58 | sarf|noWoW | Yes... but I usually doesn't abbreviate it to FF |
| 15:04.59 | krka|work | damn my explanation of that sucked :P |
| 15:05.12 | krka|work | what do you abbreviate it to then? |
| 15:05.16 | krka|work | fx? |
| 15:05.19 | sarf|noWoW | Firefox |
| 15:05.27 | *** join/#wowi-lounge shouryuu (n=nicolass@25.239.97-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 15:05.32 | shouryuu | rawr? |
| 15:05.38 | Kalroth | no |
| 15:05.41 | shouryuu | fine |
| 15:05.44 | sarf|noWoW | Wrong! Drop down and give us fifty! |
| 15:05.44 | krka|work | that's a pretty bad abbreviation |
| 15:05.48 | Legorol^ | so people are turing complete, are they.. |
| 15:05.50 | Legorol^ | i have to ponder that one |
| 15:05.51 | sarf|noWoW | (Euro preferred) |
| 15:06.01 | Legorol^ | some people i beleive are not :-) |
| 15:06.06 | shouryuu | ll |
| 15:06.11 | Kalroth | Legorol^: Yes we are! Do you like the colour red? I'm happy. |
| 15:06.13 | krka|work | well, given that they get an infinite supply of pencil and paper |
| 15:06.13 | sarf|noWoW | You disbelieve people? |
| 15:06.15 | krka|work | and food |
| 15:06.22 | krka|work | and bodies that don't grow older |
| 15:06.23 | shouryuu | 50 |
| 15:06.24 | krka|work | et.c. |
| 15:06.33 | sarf|noWoW | Thanks, shouryuu :) |
| 15:06.34 | Legorol^ | no sarf, i disbeleive that some people are |
| 15:07.06 | shouryuu | :P |
| 15:07.06 | Legorol^ | i beleive that some people aren't |
| 15:07.06 | sarf|noWoW | ... |
| 15:07.06 | Legorol^ | as in they do not perform being |
| 15:07.06 | shouryuu | what did I step in? |
| 15:07.07 | Kalroth | I think therefor I am! |
| 15:07.07 | shouryuu | Rawr! |
| 15:07.09 | sarf|noWoW | A free-wheeling discussion on IRC |
| 15:07.09 | shouryuu | Descartes |
| 15:07.10 | Legorol^ | pile of dung, shouryuu? depends on if it smells |
| 15:07.11 | krka|work | don't look, just wipe it off |
| 15:07.14 | shouryuu | loo |
| 15:07.34 | Kalroth | shouryuu: we're all busy disagreeing with Legorol btw |
| 15:07.41 | shouryuu | lol what did he say> |
| 15:07.51 | Kalroth | Dunno, I didn't read it |
| 15:07.57 | shouryuu | haha |
| 15:08.02 | Legorol^ | there, i multitasked! |
| 15:08.11 | sarf|noWoW | I have my suspicions about that Bush person. I expect to crack up sometime and go "Gotcha! We're gonna roll over you like a Whale shrugging off a lifeboat! Bwwahahahahahaaaa!" |
| 15:08.12 | Legorol^ | ha, take that, i'm turing complete and can multitask sequentially |
| 15:08.18 | Legorol^ | now that made my day |
| 15:08.19 | sarf|noWoW | Or that he's an actor. |
| 15:08.23 | krka|work | Man: No it isn't, an argument is an intellectual process -- contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says. |
| 15:08.23 | krka|work | Mr Barnard: No it isn't. |
| 15:08.23 | krka|work | Man: Yes it is. |
| 15:08.32 | Kalroth | Legorol^: The human body multitasks, no cpu can do that yet :) |
| 15:08.46 | sarf|noWoW | I can walk and chew chewing gum at the same time! |
| 15:08.52 | krka|work | i can't :/ |
| 15:08.53 | Legorol^ | Kalroth: CPU does multitask on a low level |
| 15:08.53 | shouryuu | oh |
| 15:08.56 | sarf|noWoW | Ouch |
| 15:08.59 | shouryuu | comparing man to machine? |
| 15:09.03 | Kalroth | That parrot is dead! No it isn't. Yes it is. No it isn't. |
| 15:09.03 | Legorol^ | you ok sarf? |
| 15:09.08 | sarf|noWoW | Yeah :) |
| 15:09.20 | shouryuu | Too much GITS imo |
| 15:09.20 | Legorol^ | good |
| 15:09.25 | Industrial | haha again! |
| 15:09.25 | Legorol^ | careful with that chewing gum |
| 15:09.40 | sarf|noWoW | Eeek! |
| 15:09.44 | Legorol^ | was about to say, a CPU has electrical impulses running through it in several places at once |
| 15:09.49 | krka|work | Man: Yes I have -- if you're arguing I must have paid. |
| 15:09.49 | krka|work | Mr Barnard: Not necessarily. I could be arguing in my spare time. |
| 15:09.55 | sarf|noWoW | shouryuu> isn't that "too *many* gits?" |
| 15:10.05 | Legorol^ | it also does prefetching in parallel with instruction evaluation, if i'm not mistaken |
| 15:10.08 | shouryuu | no had too much of Ghost In The shell |
| 15:10.15 | Legorol^ | afaik that process is truly parallel |
| 15:10.20 | krka|work | philosophical question: is it possible AT ALL for two things to occur at once? |
| 15:10.24 | Kalroth | Legorol^: yeah, but it only processes one anyways |
| 15:10.38 | Legorol^ | krka: depends if you work with classical mechanics or special relativity ;-) |
| 15:11.04 | Legorol^ | and btw yes, two things can occur at once |
| 15:11.05 | Kalroth | Legorol^: the problem with current technology is that it's too advanced to be as advanced as a human body :) |
| 15:11.10 | krka|work | I mean at the very foundation of universal laws |
| 15:11.31 | Legorol^ | "at the same time" is a mathematical definition, and therefore can exist, i beleive |
| 15:11.33 | krka|work | might be possible that the universe only updates things one at the time :P |
| 15:11.42 | Legorol^ | that is possible |
| 15:11.42 | Kalroth | What if I believe that I don't exist? |
| 15:11.43 | sarf|noWoW | The universal laws are changed with time. Or rather, our understanding of them is changed. |
| 15:11.51 | Industrial | Kalroth: haha retard |
| 15:11.55 | Industrial | i'd say |
| 15:11.56 | Kalroth | :P |
| 15:11.56 | Industrial | :D |
| 15:11.58 | sarf|noWoW | Kalroth> Then you get a free Buddhist icecream. |
| 15:12.03 | Kalroth | wooot |
| 15:12.06 | Kalroth | icecream > * |
| 15:12.23 | Legorol^ | there are some pretty screwy stuff in quantum mechanics that seriously messes your head if you try to think too hard about it |
| 15:12.29 | shouryuu | lol |
| 15:12.56 | Legorol^ | the most notable one is that the currently accepted set of founding axioms for quantum mechanics are in fact self-contradictory |
| 15:13.09 | Kalroth | no it isn't! |
| 15:13.15 | krka|work | Yes it is! |
| 15:13.17 | Legorol^ | yet physicists go around happily applying quantum mechanics every day |
| 15:13.33 | Legorol^ | and get great results out of it, like building semicondcutor devices (which your CPU is) |
| 15:13.48 | sarf|noWoW | If it ain |
| 15:13.49 | krka|work | which just goes to show that understanding is greatly overrated |
| 15:13.51 | Legorol^ | so it screws your head in principle but works in practice, woot |
| 15:13.53 | sarf|noWoW | *ain't broke, don't fix it |
| 15:14.02 | sarf|noWoW | exactly krka|work |
| 15:14.11 | krka|work | if it's broke, start complaining to blizzards dev team |
| 15:14.13 | Legorol^ | it is useful sometimes |
| 15:14.16 | sarf|noWoW | so let's grab some beers and watch reality soap opera until our heads implode |
| 15:14.21 | shouryuu | lol |
| 15:14.31 | sarf|noWoW | or until we reach nirvana |
| 15:14.34 | Legorol^ | understanding more about the way fontstrings work helped us solve one of the 7 mysteries of WoW UI coding: |
| 15:14.50 | krka|work | didn't someone prove the existance of negative information with quantum mechanics? |
| 15:14.50 | Industrial | sarf|noWoW: "wow billy did do it with <name>" |
| 15:14.53 | Legorol^ | how do tooltip lines decide to wrap or not to wrap, or more specifically, how to query/set that property |
| 15:14.54 | krka|work | that was some weird shit |
| 15:14.56 | sarf|noWoW | with the current lack of intelligence / awareness in those, most of the participants should have ascended a long time ago |
| 15:15.18 | sarf|noWoW | Industrial> "No, you don't say? How could he, so short a while after being with <name2>?!" |
| 15:15.32 | Industrial | tv, i dont have one.. |
| 15:15.33 | Industrial | :D |
| 15:15.40 | Legorol^ | who needs one.. |
| 15:15.41 | krka|work | "<name2>, I am your father!" |
| 15:15.42 | Legorol^ | this channel is better |
| 15:15.49 | sarf|noWoW | Don't worry, you're still keeping up pretty well :) |
| 15:16.07 | Industrial | "<name1>, nooooooooooo" "<name1>, no eh oops wrong script" |
| 15:16.10 | Kalroth | I utterly lost track of the topic! :( |
| 15:16.20 | Industrial | krka|work: :D:D |
| 15:16.21 | sarf|noWoW | We have a topic? |
| 15:16.44 | Kalroth | well someone does! |
| 15:16.45 | Stylpe | What's a topic |
| 15:16.46 | Legorol^ | yes we do, it is in fact: WoWI-Lounge. Don't spam the damn bot. No hassling Slouken about work. Get along or Get out. Beyond that, kick back, relax, have fun. |
| 15:16.54 | krka|work | i think it was something about iterating over table with strings as keys originally... |
| 15:16.56 | Kalroth | current conversation subject then, sheesh! |
| 15:16.59 | sarf|noWoW | Check, check and check. |
| 15:17.13 | sarf|noWoW | krka|work> Yeah, but ForgottenLords got that straightened out |
| 15:17.54 | sarf|noWoW | Oh and : http://www.apple.com/trailers/weinstein/hoodwinked/trailer/ |
| 15:18.04 | krka|work | too long address. didn't read |
| 15:18.15 | sarf|noWoW | Thou shalt not read, thou shalt *click*! |
| 15:18.28 | krka|work | too lazy to move mouse. didn't click |
| 15:18.31 | Kalroth | (For poooorn) |
| 15:18.43 | shouryuu | you should see Jin Roh |
| 15:19.01 | sarf|noWoW | Amen, Kalroth! |
| 15:19.09 | krka|work | KÃ¥lrot? |
| 15:19.12 | krka|work | hm |
| 15:19.13 | Kalroth | :( |
| 15:19.16 | sarf|noWoW | krka|work> You'll fit right in at work then :) |
| 15:19.21 | sarf|noWoW | Kålrot :) |
| 15:19.28 | sarf|noWoW | Haha, made my day, krka ^^ |
| 15:19.46 | krka|work | i don't get it... fit on? |
| 15:19.48 | krka|work | in |
| 15:20.07 | sarf|noWoW | well, being too lazy to move your mouse... |
| 15:20.22 | Legorol^ | bah, i have to actually do some work now... colleague of mine emailed me with question |
| 15:20.25 | Legorol^ | see ya later folks |
| 15:20.28 | sarf|noWoW | Later lego! |
| 15:20.39 | Stylpe | krka: Scandinavian? |
| 15:20.40 | sarf|noWoW | Oooh |
| 15:20.42 | krka|work | isn't it kinda funny if someone who isn't a swede calls himself kålrot? |
| 15:20.43 | sarf|noWoW | WoW up! |
| 15:20.49 | sarf|noWoW | Yeah, it is :) |
| 15:21.06 | krka|work | Stylpe: you could say that |
| 15:21.17 | Stylpe | krka|work: Actually, it makes perfect sense in norwegian too ;) |
| 15:21.46 | krka|work | except that kålrot in english isn't "norwegian" |
| 15:22.32 | Stylpe | huh? |
| 15:23.26 | krka|work | translate kålrot to english and you get "swede" |
| 15:24.58 | Kalroth | I'm danish, not norwegian! |
| 15:25.10 | Kalroth | goddamn fjeldaber! :) |
| 15:25.49 | Stylpe | Really? That's either a completely new term for a swede, or you're translating from a srange language |
| 15:26.24 | Stylpe | *strange |
| 15:27.11 | krka|work | kålrot (swedish) = swede (english) |
| 15:27.50 | Stylpe | I never knew swedish was so different from norwegian =P |
| 15:28.22 | Stylpe | We usually just call you stupid =P |
| 15:28.34 | krka|work | is it? |
| 15:28.42 | krka|work | kålrot is a vegetable in both languages, yes? |
| 15:28.48 | Stylpe | yes |
| 15:28.55 | krka|work | so, not different |
| 15:29.22 | Stylpe | There must be some strange logic or pun here I'm not getting >_> |
| 15:29.48 | krka|work | we usually just think of norway as our younger, annoying brother :P |
| 15:30.05 | krka|work | you're norwegian, it's not expected that you understand it =) |
| 15:30.07 | Stylpe | We think of you as our sweet brother ;) |
| 15:30.49 | krka|work | the english word swede can mean both a person from sweden and the vegetable known to us as kålrot |
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| 15:31.19 | Stylpe | There's nothing more to it than that? |
| 15:31.29 | krka|work | no |
| 15:31.32 | krka|work | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turnip |
| 15:31.34 | Stylpe | bah |
| 15:32.12 | Stylpe | heh, that's odd |
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| 15:33.31 | Industrial | whats a kålrot? |
| 15:33.32 | Industrial | :P |
| 15:33.37 | Industrial | (dont tell me a swede) |
| 15:33.54 | sarf|WoW | Turnip. |
| 15:34.41 | krka|work | hmm... I need to start scheming to make "swede" refer to something other than a turnip |
| 15:34.58 | krka|work | it should mean "a really cool person" instead |
| 15:35.05 | krka|work | "man, that guy is such a swede" |
| 15:36.24 | Industrial | "pass the dutch" |
| 15:36.26 | Industrial | ke ke ke |
| 15:36.35 | Industrial | (I'm dutch) |
| 15:39.15 | krka|work | dutch = joint right? |
| 15:40.14 | krka|work | wtf this sucks: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=swede |
| 15:40.27 | Industrial | in that context, a very strong type of weed rolled into a joint |
| 15:42.06 | Industrial | a very fat joint, too |
| 15:42.07 | Industrial | :d |
| 15:42.29 | Industrial | (cigar with weed) |
| 15:44.13 | Industrial | krka|work: beat you to it |
| 15:44.16 | Industrial | 10. Dutch link send redefine 14 up, 11 down |
| 15:44.16 | Industrial | A word used to convey the unbelievable coolness of anything, i.e. an object, person, place etc. etc. |
| 15:44.26 | Industrial | xD |
| 15:47.11 | krka|work | didn't you read the top entry for swede? |
| 15:49.21 | Industrial | shh :> |
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| 16:00.35 | Osagasu | Well it'll be noon before I find out |
| 16:00.53 | Osagasu | Rasmus, you look at the cards I mentioned? |
| 16:01.21 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ToastTheif (i=ToastThe@rvr35nbar149.nmu.edu) |
| 16:01.31 | ToastTheif | mnmnmnmn |
| 16:01.43 | Osagasu | I was eating that toast! |
| 16:08.07 | Industrial | OMG HI2U LALALAL!!!!!1111one-hundred-eleventy-one |
| 16:08.44 | ToastTheif | weee |
| 16:08.47 | ToastTheif | so anyway |
| 16:09.07 | ToastTheif | you should make the idChat page black background and white text |
| 16:09.26 | ToastTheif | but besides that, how's idChat going? |
| 16:09.45 | MoonWolf | i think idChat is basically done.... imho |
| 16:10.19 | ToastTheif | hmm |
| 16:10.21 | Industrial | like that?http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/index.html |
| 16:10.26 | Industrial | yeah uhm |
| 16:10.30 | Industrial | idMap is coming up next |
| 16:10.32 | Industrial | ;) |
| 16:10.36 | Industrial | almost finished |
| 16:11.25 | ToastTheif | well |
| 16:11.33 | ToastTheif | what about shift+scroll down? |
| 16:11.58 | Industrial | on idChat? |
| 16:12.00 | Industrial | works |
| 16:12.02 | Industrial | ;) |
| 16:12.14 | ToastTheif | ah, didn't see it as a feature |
| 16:12.20 | ToastTheif | is there a shift + scroll up too? |
| 16:12.24 | Industrial | yep |
| 16:12.25 | Industrial | :d |
| 16:12.34 | ToastTheif | cool |
| 16:12.37 | Industrial | not as a feature? HMMM |
| 16:12.41 | Industrial | let me go and edit that |
| 16:12.42 | Industrial | :X |
| 16:12.57 | ToastTheif | and http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/index.html is white background black text too.. |
| 16:13.06 | Industrial | no it isnt |
| 16:13.15 | Industrial | its black bagkreound white text |
| 16:13.45 | shouryuu | man rhymes in english are so hard |
| 16:13.58 | ToastTheif | shows up as black on white to me |
| 16:14.28 | ToastTheif | =/ |
| 16:14.31 | Industrial | reload |
| 16:14.33 | Industrial | ctrl+reload |
| 16:14.37 | Industrial | and dont use IE |
| 16:14.38 | Industrial | :D |
| 16:14.47 | ToastTheif | rofl |
| 16:14.48 | ToastTheif | IE? |
| 16:14.55 | ToastTheif | people still use that? |
| 16:15.01 | Industrial | Added Shift+mousewheel scrolling (scrolls to top and bottom). |
| 16:15.02 | Industrial | there |
| 16:15.02 | Industrial | :D |
| 16:15.04 | Industrial | added |
| 16:15.18 | ToastTheif | good :) |
| 16:15.28 | ToastTheif | hmmm |
| 16:15.35 | ToastTheif | I might as well start using idChat =P |
| 16:15.42 | Industrial | ;D |
| 16:15.47 | Industrial | idMap is next |
| 16:15.54 | ToastTheif | does it have thtat pesky arrow feature that you like? |
| 16:16.07 | ToastTheif | I don't see it as a feature |
| 16:16.10 | Industrial | arrow? which arrows? |
| 16:16.20 | Industrial | theres no arrows on my chat frames |
| 16:16.21 | Industrial | :D |
| 16:16.26 | ToastTheif | the arrow keys to get to the chat history |
| 16:16.34 | Industrial | 2005-11-26 0.2 |
| 16:16.34 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.34 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.34 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.38 | ToastTheif | instead of alt + arrows |
| 16:16.39 | Industrial | mmk? |
| 16:16.40 | Industrial | :D |
| 16:16.40 | ToastTheif | or whatever it was |
| 16:16.48 | Industrial | oh that, yes |
| 16:16.57 | Industrial | forgot that too hmmmm |
| 16:17.01 | Industrial | *edit* |
| 16:17.02 | ToastTheif | you odn't have that listed =P |
| 16:17.10 | ToastTheif | I'll have to comment that part out ;) |
| 16:18.23 | ToastTheif | I like the hh:mm btw |
| 16:18.32 | ToastTheif | no one likes :ss |
| 16:19.49 | MoonWolf | I do, so i put them back in. |
| 16:19.57 | Industrial | your choice |
| 16:19.58 | Industrial | :) |
| 16:20.01 | Legorol^ | Controversial question of the day for discussion: Should users who don't want to run AddOns be excluded from guild raids when the guild requires CTRA/Decursive? discuss... |
| 16:20.04 | Industrial | wich i ancourage! |
| 16:20.14 | Legorol^ | actually let me rephrase |
| 16:20.16 | Industrial | encourage, even |
| 16:20.23 | Legorol^ | or rather, expound my opinion |
| 16:20.43 | Legorol^ | as an avid AddOn developer i recognise the wish of players to play with the default UI and nothing else, and i totally respect that |
| 16:20.54 | Legorol^ | if a guild chooses to set policies, it can set whatever it likes.. |
| 16:21.00 | ToastTheif | I agree with Lego-man |
| 16:21.03 | Legorol^ | it's not wrong for a guild to require the use of CTRA/Decursive |
| 16:21.12 | Legorol^ | guilds have so many policies anyway |
| 16:21.16 | Industrial | yep |
| 16:21.21 | Industrial | its like a job |
| 16:21.24 | shouryuu | rrawrr |
| 16:21.24 | MoonWolf | They shouldnot be thrown out, rather not be allowed to run or take a hit in DKP |
| 16:21.25 | Industrial | being a member of a guild |
| 16:21.25 | shouryuu | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=275939&p=1&tmp=1#post275939 |
| 16:21.26 | ToastTheif | but anyway, add the pesky arrow feature to ur site Indus! |
| 16:21.37 | Legorol^ | however, i like to beleive that there are guilds/players out there who don't want to use addons |
| 16:21.41 | Industrial | Legorol^: omg i did! |
| 16:21.43 | Industrial | :D |
| 16:21.51 | Industrial | err, ToastTheif |
| 16:21.53 | shouryuu | I don't like decursive but I have to use it :( |
| 16:21.55 | Legorol^ | and that anyone who doesn't want to use addons can find a place for themselves |
| 16:22.04 | shouryuu | well have to... |
| 16:22.08 | ToastTheif | kk |
| 16:22.09 | shouryuu | I should be |
| 16:22.25 | Industrial | ToastTheif: im considering putting everything in <pre> |
| 16:22.30 | Legorol^ | basically, i will confess: i love coding addons (addon related stuff takes up over 60% of my WoW time) |
| 16:22.36 | Legorol^ | but i play with stock UI very often |
| 16:22.38 | shouryuu | they can't check if I am, but it's consider as mandatory |
| 16:22.44 | Industrial | ToastTheif: as the ultimate purpose is it to be "pre formatted" |
| 16:22.51 | Legorol^ | the other interesting question is: |
| 16:23.05 | MoonWolf | interface is 50% of my wow experience. |
| 16:23.08 | Industrial | ToastTheif: sets the font to monospaced |
| 16:23.08 | Legorol^ | is it a good/bad thing that the current tendency is that CTRA/Decursive are on mandatory status in serious guilds? |
| 16:23.13 | ToastTheif | oh ok |
| 16:23.16 | Industrial | ToastTheif: along with some margins and stuffs |
| 16:23.23 | Industrial | just watch :D |
| 16:23.31 | Industrial | ill make it wrap at 80 chars :D |
| 16:23.34 | shouryuu | depends for whom :P |
| 16:23.36 | ToastTheif | zomg slouken has an avatar! |
| 16:23.42 | MoonWolf | what is it ? |
| 16:23.53 | Legorol^ | In other words: is it the default Blizz interface that sucks and Blizz should do a better job, or is it players trying to make the game easier for themselves? |
| 16:24.05 | shouryuu | game easier |
| 16:24.09 | shouryuu | no questions asked |
| 16:24.19 | Legorol^ | I like to beleive Blizz has tested the content with stock UI, and it is an adequate challenge/fun to play with stock UI |
| 16:24.21 | ToastTheif | for me it's that the default sucks |
| 16:24.30 | shouryuu | I strongly believe that lego |
| 16:24.40 | ToastTheif | I don't use decursive |
| 16:24.43 | ToastTheif | or anything like thats |
| 16:24.44 | shouryuu | Me neither |
| 16:24.45 | ToastTheif | that* |
| 16:24.46 | Legorol^ | i think i also generalised too much |
| 16:24.46 | shouryuu | I hate it |
| 16:24.49 | Legorol^ | yeah that's a good point too |
| 16:24.59 | ToastTheif | I just like to make my interface small and pretty :) |
| 16:24.59 | Legorol^ | UI modifications for accessibility/ease of use is a good thing |
| 16:25.06 | Legorol^ | UI mods for making game easier sucks, in my opinion |
| 16:25.18 | shouryuu | wellllll |
| 16:25.20 | Legorol^ | ToastTheif: agreed completely |
| 16:25.32 | Legorol^ | i do think that addons broadly fall in two categories: |
| 16:25.36 | MoonWolf | UI mods of any kind excluding the automasations ones (decursive/cursive/autobuff0 are fine |
| 16:25.47 | Legorol^ | those that are true interface modifications, and those that have processing logic, thereby making the game easier for you |
| 16:26.02 | Tain | Or those that have both. |
| 16:26.03 | shouryuu | take an example SCT, having a big dodge appear when a mob dodges is just great for a warrior |
| 16:26.22 | Legorol^ | Tain, well ok i guess i shouldn't say addons, i should say addon capabilities |
| 16:26.22 | MoonWolf | or spellalert |
| 16:26.33 | shouryuu | of course I could just watch the mob's screen and wait for dodge to show up, but that would be just a pain |
| 16:26.42 | shouryuu | spellalert is bad |
| 16:26.49 | shouryuu | I strongly dislike it :p |
| 16:26.50 | Legorol^ | i think that visual aids are good |
| 16:26.53 | shouryuu | yeah |
| 16:26.54 | ToastTheif | "What UI's are you? Post a pix!" ... |
| 16:26.55 | Legorol^ | stuff that does it for you in response to that are bad |
| 16:27.03 | shouryuu | agreed |
| 16:27.12 | MoonWolf | you could make a single chat window place it above your char head and only show enemy dodges or some other chat line like that. |
| 16:27.18 | Legorol^ | i however completely respect players wishes to use those things |
| 16:27.23 | Legorol^ | it's their choice to make game easier for them |
| 16:27.26 | ToastTheif | lern2english |
| 16:27.29 | shouryuu | Yeah but SCT does that but prettier :P |
| 16:27.32 | Legorol^ | it's like, if someone wants to cheat in their singleplayer game, good for them |
| 16:27.34 | MoonWolf | indeed |
| 16:27.42 | shouryuu | hehe |
| 16:27.54 | Legorol^ | however, if someone tells me i *have to* use Decursive, i would object on the grounds it takes away from my fun of the game |
| 16:28.07 | Legorol^ | others will tell you it adds to their fun |
| 16:28.25 | MoonWolf | my UI http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v431/moonwolf992000/WoW/WoWScrnShot_120505_200425.jpg |
| 16:28.26 | Legorol^ | so i guess it comes down to personal preference |
| 16:28.28 | shouryuu | the problem is if you don't decurse porperly, well you're running other peoples fun |
| 16:28.34 | Legorol^ | yeah exactly |
| 16:28.38 | Legorol^ | in a 40-man raid that's the problem |
| 16:28.44 | Legorol^ | that other people's idea of fun will not coincide with mine |
| 16:28.51 | shouryuu | Yeah |
| 16:28.59 | MoonWolf | what do you people think of it ? |
| 16:29.03 | Legorol^ | that's why i am hoping that there are other like-minded people for whom "fun" = challenge, not "fun" = as easy as poss |
| 16:29.03 | shouryuu | But you end up having two choices |
| 16:29.14 | shouryuu | ruin one mans fun, or ruin 39 persons fun... |
| 16:29.23 | Legorol^ | if you are in that kind of guild, yes |
| 16:29.27 | Legorol^ | so you end up complying |
| 16:29.33 | shouryuu | Yeah pretty much |
| 16:29.40 | MoonWolf | fun is balance between Challenge and Easy |
| 16:29.49 | Legorol^ | i haven't got a lvl 60 yet, so i haven't been in this situatino yet |
| 16:30.06 | Legorol^ | i am hoping that my guild will be tolerant when i don't install decursive or use the automatic features of CTRA |
| 16:30.08 | shouryuu | Moon - I think blizzard did a great job balaning that |
| 16:30.15 | Legorol^ | ToastTheif: your WSG char? |
| 16:30.21 | ToastTheif | yep |
| 16:30.33 | Legorol^ | there will always be people who want the easiest possible mode |
| 16:30.39 | ToastTheif | he's looking pretty tough so far |
| 16:30.45 | Legorol^ | tell me what he got |
| 16:30.54 | shouryuu | Honestly, the mana conserve is good. Not because it does shit for you, but I have 400 ping, try interupting in due time a 1.5 sec heal... |
| 16:31.01 | ToastTheif | I need 2 moss agate tho dammit |
| 16:31.08 | MoonWolf | lol |
| 16:31.14 | MoonWolf | ah if you really need it that bad. |
| 16:31.20 | shouryuu | I don't NEED it |
| 16:31.26 | shouryuu | I've played till 60 without |
| 16:31.34 | shouryuu | ran Lucifron without it |
| 16:31.41 | shouryuu | but it's just usefull |
| 16:32.19 | shouryuu | and when you ahve 5 priest healing 2 tanks, well you're going to overheal someplace... If my ping doesn't allow me to make the right decision at the right time, well... |
| 16:32.33 | shouryuu | *sometime |
| 16:33.42 | MoonWolf | Hands in the air, who likes my UI ? |
| 16:33.42 | Tain | Ehn, I've played mmorpgs for too many years, I'll simplify the tedious tasks as much as I can. |
| 16:34.51 | shouryuu | Hands in the air, who likes my poem? |
| 16:35.09 | MoonWolf | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v431/moonwolf992000/WoW/WoWScrnShot_120505_200425.jpg |
| 16:35.23 | Industrial | New website version up! |
| 16:35.29 | shouryuu | that's nice |
| 16:35.32 | Industrial | http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/index.html |
| 16:35.36 | shouryuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.39 | ToastTheif | what does that mean Industrial lol |
| 16:36.01 | Industrial | ToastTheif: it means smaller size |
| 16:36.05 | Industrial | gg xD |
| 16:36.12 | ToastTheif | ah, ic |
| 16:36.14 | ToastTheif | I like it |
| 16:36.23 | ToastTheif | BUT |
| 16:36.24 | Industrial | I know you would, i like it too |
| 16:36.27 | Industrial | but? |
| 16:36.28 | ToastTheif | your headings are too small |
| 16:36.36 | Industrial | right |
| 16:36.37 | Industrial | sec |
| 16:36.56 | ToastTheif | :O and the CC liscense part is the gonez0rz |
| 16:37.04 | ToastTheif | I enjoyed that part... |
| 16:37.59 | ToastTheif | pesky no arrows, damn thee |
| 16:38.05 | ToastTheif | er... |
| 16:38.14 | ToastTheif | pesky no alt+arrows, damn thee! |
| 16:38.21 | Industrial | there |
| 16:38.21 | Industrial | :D |
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| 16:39.34 | Industrial | look at the headings |
| 16:39.45 | Industrial | you can clearly differentieat my by heading and content |
| 16:39.52 | Industrial | now, i shall go home. |
| 16:40.00 | ToastTheif | idChat, id World of Warcraft Addons, Industrial |
| 16:40.07 | Industrial | correct |
| 16:40.08 | ToastTheif | those are all too small of headings dammit |
| 16:40.15 | Industrial | why |
| 16:40.28 | ToastTheif | because I think so |
| 16:40.38 | ToastTheif | they should be a tad bigger |
| 16:41.26 | Industrial | later... |
| 16:41.34 | Industrial | bye |
| 16:41.54 | ToastTheif | -_- |
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| 16:48.08 | swede|lurker | w00t |
| 16:48.40 | swede|lurker | omfg, the 1.8.0 patch is 250 megs.. |
| 16:49.25 | swede|lurker | although i got windows to see and use both Cores :D |
| 16:49.30 | swede|lurker | i had to reinstall though |
| 16:53.57 | Legorol^ | All those people who are using ViewPort to change their viewport to a cinematic style (with black are above and/or below for UI elements), i have a question |
| 16:54.20 | Legorol^ | afaik the aspect ratio is maintained on worldframe resize, so this must mean you are losing portion of the viewable area of the world |
| 16:54.26 | Legorol^ | is that a problem? |
| 16:54.30 | swede|lurker | no. |
| 16:54.45 | Legorol^ | as in, you get less view, how much more difficult it is making gameplay? |
| 16:54.48 | swede|lurker | the space you "lose" is already lost to UI elements |
| 16:54.50 | MoonWolf | i took a part of the frame out below and never seen a difference. |
| 16:55.08 | Legorol^ | not quite, lot of ui elements are small icony things etc. |
| 16:55.13 | MoonWolf | i can see more screen now since the buttons dont take up that space anymore |
| 16:55.22 | swede|lurker | depends on your UI setup i guess |
| 16:55.28 | Legorol^ | ehm... MoonWolf, they still do |
| 16:55.36 | Legorol^ | you just blackened out a region of your viewable area |
| 16:55.42 | MoonWolf | nope |
| 16:55.50 | swede|lurker | but for me, i prefer it so when i fraps kills the mob shot is clean and not full of crap in view |
| 16:55.55 | Tain | No, you shrink the actual World. |
| 16:56.02 | Tain | You don't overlay black bars. |
| 16:56.06 | Legorol^ | afaik it's a combination of shrink and clip |
| 16:56.12 | Tain | It's like a widescreen movie. |
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| 16:56.19 | MoonWolf | its simply renderingin the space you assign it instead of the whole screen. |
| 16:56.26 | Legorol^ | ok, let's say i take a default worldframe, and i reduce only the hight |
| 16:56.41 | Tain | Which is what I do. |
| 16:56.42 | Legorol^ | as far as i know the render engine will both clip, and shrink the viewable area |
| 16:56.47 | Legorol^ | you will not "gain" information |
| 16:56.50 | Legorol^ | but you will lose some |
| 16:57.02 | Tain | Why are you saying as far as you know? What information are you going on? |
| 16:57.10 | Legorol^ | from my testing/playing around |
| 16:57.10 | Tain | Because I've never seen that posted or said. |
| 16:57.23 | Legorol^ | i have lined my character up with world objects |
| 16:57.35 | Legorol^ | then did resizes and see if said object's edge is still within the viewable area |
| 16:58.02 | Legorol^ | i am pretty sure Blizz was careful so you can't gain extra information by doing worldframe resize |
| 16:58.35 | Legorol^ | and my impression was that in order to maintain aspect ratio, it achieves that by having both clipping and shrinking |
| 16:58.48 | Legorol^ | that's just the result of my poking, if you have different experience, do share |
| 16:59.03 | Legorol^ | e.g. let's say you run in 1024x768, and resize worldframe to 1024x960 |
| 16:59.18 | Legorol^ | from what i could tell, for those sets of numbers, it purely clips |
| 16:59.33 | swede|lurker | you mean, |
| 16:59.35 | Legorol^ | ehm.. |
| 16:59.39 | Legorol^ | i mean |
| 16:59.45 | Legorol^ | 1280x1024 => 1280x960 |
| 16:59.47 | Legorol^ | ah |
| 16:59.49 | Legorol^ | ehm.. |
| 16:59.52 | Legorol^ | i am not sure what i mean anymore |
| 16:59.53 | swede|lurker | oh, hehe |
| 16:59.55 | swede|lurker | thats different :) |
| 16:59.59 | Legorol^ | hold on, let me try and remember |
| 17:00.03 | swede|lurker | it'd be hard to clip soemthing when you make it bigger |
| 17:00.07 | Legorol^ | yep :D |
| 17:00.19 | Tain | Yeah, but what do you mean by giving someone more information? |
| 17:00.30 | swede|lurker | but my viewpoint rounds in around 1.70, and it looks exactly the same, objects are the same size etc, but its clipped off |
| 17:00.32 | Tain | Being able to view more of the world at once? |
| 17:00.32 | Legorol^ | giving more information is if you can see more of the world around you then you could before |
| 17:00.37 | Legorol^ | that's an advantage in PvP |
| 17:00.49 | swede|lurker | it doesnt overlay black bars across the UI though, it just doesnt draw data there relevant to the game |
| 17:00.56 | Legorol^ | yeah |
| 17:01.05 | Tain | That exists today. |
| 17:01.06 | Legorol^ | the "black bar" thing was figure of speach |
| 17:01.15 | Legorol^ | *speech |
| 17:01.32 | Tain | Someone who runs in 640x480 doesn't see as much of the world as someone running in 1280/1024. |
| 17:02.10 | swede|lurker | man, patch 1.8.3 was the worst one yet.. |
| 17:02.15 | swede|lurker | its super slow to update. |
| 17:02.35 | Legorol^ | all patches are slow, and will get slower |
| 17:02.47 | Legorol^ | Tain, that is correct |
| 17:02.50 | swede|lurker | the 1.8.4 updated quickly |
| 17:02.51 | Legorol^ | that's because they have different aspect ratios |
| 17:03.04 | Legorol^ | then they might be using the patch2.mpq file in 1.8.4 |
| 17:03.09 | Legorol^ | i haven't updated to 1.8.4 yet so i don't know |
| 17:03.10 | swede|lurker | 1.8.3 started out going real slow, then the migrating is super faster. |
| 17:03.24 | Tain | I also see more of the world with my widescreen LCD running at 1280x768 than someone else. |
| 17:03.26 | Legorol^ | a "regular" patch involves making an entire copy of the 1+ gig big patch.mpq |
| 17:03.39 | Legorol^ | unless they use a technique where they just add a second patch2.mpq |
| 17:03.44 | Tain | So anyone who has a video card that can run higher resolutions has an advantage in pvp, I guess. |
| 17:03.46 | Legorol^ | in which case the patcher doesn't have to copy patch.mpq |
| 17:03.59 | Legorol^ | Tain, not exactly |
| 17:04.02 | swede|lurker | tain, yep : less lag ftw |
| 17:04.07 | Legorol^ | as far as i can tell, the game engine has two render modes: |
| 17:04.10 | Legorol^ | 1.3 aspect and 1.25 |
| 17:04.21 | swede|lurker | i was going to say "normal" and bwl... |
| 17:04.22 | Legorol^ | it uses the 1.3 aspect for any resolution that is a multiple of 1024x768 |
| 17:04.27 | Legorol^ | e.g. 800x600 |
| 17:04.39 | Legorol^ | it uses the 1.25 aspect for the 1280x1024 |
| 17:04.45 | Legorol^ | you get slightly different view in those two cases |
| 17:05.07 | Legorol^ | afaik, the 1280x768 resolution is a clipped version of the 1.25 aspect 1280x1024 |
| 17:05.14 | Eraphine|Disco2 | yeah it is. |
| 17:05.21 | Legorol^ | which therefore will contain slightly different view than the 1024x768 |
| 17:05.23 | Eraphine|Disco2 | you lose info |
| 17:05.49 | Legorol^ | it will have slightly more around the edges, and a lot lost at top/bottom with widescreen, compared to 1024x768 |
| 17:06.08 | Eraphine|Disco2 | the thing is, with viewport, I was finding that I didn't gain information at all |
| 17:06.20 | Tain | You don't gain information. |
| 17:06.20 | Legorol^ | Eraphine|Disco2: that's exactly what i was discussing earlier |
| 17:06.25 | Legorol^ | the render engine is very complicated |
| 17:06.39 | swede|lurker | why would you gain anything, if you could ? |
| 17:06.41 | Legorol^ | when you resize worldframe, it seems to do all of: maintain aspect ratio, shrink and clip |
| 17:06.42 | Eraphine|Disco2 | I ended up losing info off the top and bottom and gaining none on the sides. |
| 17:06.46 | Legorol^ | to get the desired endresult |
| 17:06.50 | Eraphine|Disco2 | swede|lurker, think of it as zooming out. |
| 17:06.57 | Tain | It's very easy to see the difference in how much you can see in different resolutions. |
| 17:07.05 | swede|lurker | eraph, so zoom out :) |
| 17:07.13 | Tain | Change yours to 640x480 and see how much you can see on your screen. |
| 17:07.43 | Eraphine|Disco2 | ok swede, bad analogy. |
| 17:07.50 | Eraphine|Disco2 | think of it as gaining peripherial vision |
| 17:08.20 | swede|lurker | but your vision is 180 deg in front of you anyways. |
| 17:08.36 | swede|lurker | are you going to be using special hax on your eyes to see behind you? |
| 17:08.36 | Legorol^ | when i was testing, (assuming worldframe stays full screen), 640x480, 800x600 and 1024x768 all gave same result |
| 17:08.39 | Eraphine|Disco2 | your characters vision |
| 17:08.42 | Eraphine|Disco2 | no swede.. |
| 17:08.44 | Legorol^ | except for pixel quality |
| 17:09.18 | Eraphine|Disco2 | it's the same reason you have more info when you're watching a letterbox film vs a fullscreen edit. |
| 17:09.19 | Cair | It's actually easier than you guys are making it out to be ... if your resolution is 640x480, your aspect ratio is 4:3. When you use viewport, if you maintain your aspect ratio of 4:3, your view shrinks. If you do *not* maintain your aspect ratio of 4:3, your view is clipped. |
| 17:09.30 | Legorol^ | Cair, almost |
| 17:09.31 | Cair | or rather, is scaled, not "shrinks" |
| 17:09.39 | swede|lurker | giving the ability to "add information" to the world as its rendered would serve no purpose . the effective result is simply zooming out. |
| 17:09.42 | swede|lurker | if that makes sense |
| 17:09.44 | Legorol^ | if you don't maintain the aspect, it does a combination of scale and clip |
| 17:09.56 | Legorol^ | swede, it would serve a lot of purpose |
| 17:09.59 | Legorol^ | it would allow you to look around you |
| 17:10.06 | Legorol^ | ok, think of it like this: |
| 17:10.16 | Legorol^ | you are standing in a place, and you turn 360 degrees to look all around you |
| 17:10.24 | Legorol^ | you record what you see on a long, narrow strip of paper |
| 17:10.32 | Legorol^ | if you were to fold this paper in a ring, that's the view around you |
| 17:10.43 | Legorol^ | what WoW renders is a section of this ring |
| 17:10.44 | swede|lurker | panaramic ftw |
| 17:10.48 | swede|lurker | spelling ftl |
| 17:10.57 | Legorol^ | if you could make it display a larger section of this ring, you gain information |
| 17:11.18 | swede|lurker | but you couldnt see it without moving the viewpoint |
| 17:11.32 | Legorol^ | that's the whole point! that you could, if WoW alowed you to make this change |
| 17:11.52 | Tain | But evidently WoW doesn't, so it's moot. :) |
| 17:11.54 | Legorol^ | if wow allowed you to view a larger section of the ring at once on your screen, that's an advantage to you |
| 17:11.59 | Legorol^ | Tain, yes |
| 17:12.12 | Legorol^ | i am just trying to explain to swede why the WoW devs have to be careful about how they implement it |
| 17:12.14 | swede|lurker | its not an advantage to anyone when everyone can do it. |
| 17:12.20 | Eraphine|Disco2 | anyway, I do gain info with viewport. |
| 17:12.26 | Eraphine|Disco2 | the stuff I couldn't see under my ui before |
| 17:12.28 | Legorol^ | Eraphine|Disco2: you do? |
| 17:12.29 | Eraphine|Disco2 | so it's worth it. |
| 17:12.30 | Eraphine|Disco2 | yeah.. |
| 17:12.39 | Legorol^ | depend on what you are doing.. |
| 17:12.42 | Eraphine|Disco2 | True |
| 17:12.42 | Legorol^ | are you scaling your viewport? |
| 17:12.51 | Legorol^ | whilst maintaingin aspect |
| 17:12.53 | Eraphine|Disco2 | I'm just reducing the bottom. |
| 17:13.01 | Legorol^ | then you shouldn't be gaining anything |
| 17:13.02 | swede|lurker | my viewpoint is scaled so that the chat boxes and ct raid boxes all have black backgrounds :) |
| 17:13.18 | Eraphine|Disco2 | You're right in that the actual render area loses info |
| 17:13.26 | Eraphine|Disco2 | but my point is, before my bars were ontop of my render |
| 17:13.27 | Legorol^ | if you take a worldframe in 1024x768 resolution, and change worldframe size to 1024x300, |
| 17:13.28 | Eraphine|Disco2 | now they're not. |
| 17:13.33 | Tain | Legorol^: He's saying he gains information in the sense that he sees the part of the world clearly that UI elements used to cover. |
| 17:13.38 | Tain | Not that the game is sending him more informatino. |
| 17:13.43 | Legorol^ | all you get is large black areas and the view clipped at top/bottom, whilst maintaing scale and aspect |
| 17:13.53 | Eraphine|Disco2 | what tain siad. |
| 17:14.05 | Tain | Which is exactly why I do it. It's aesthetic. |
| 17:14.06 | Legorol^ | Tain: and i am disagreeing with that part |
| 17:14.11 | Tain | But... |
| 17:14.12 | Legorol^ | i understand what Eraphine is saying |
| 17:14.17 | Tain | You're wrong. |
| 17:14.27 | Legorol^ | i am saying that if you reduce the WF height, you clip out the part that was previously covered by UI |
| 17:14.31 | Legorol^ | ok, then do this test: |
| 17:14.36 | Eraphine|Disco2 | Actually, it's a function of how obstructive your ui was before. |
| 17:14.41 | Legorol^ | go back to full-screen WorldFrame, turn off UI using Alt+Z |
| 17:14.42 | Eraphine|Disco2 | no leg. |
| 17:14.46 | Eraphine|Disco2 | it doesn't just clip from the bottom |
| 17:14.52 | Eraphine|Disco2 | I know for a fact it clips from the top and bottom. |
| 17:14.54 | Legorol^ | compare that picture with one obtained when you look at the render area when you change height |
| 17:15.06 | Legorol^ | Eraphine|Disco2: yes it clips from both places, that's true |
| 17:15.20 | Eraphine|Disco2 | So I split the difference. |
| 17:15.24 | Legorol^ | so you are saying that the amount you get to see at the bottom is worth more than the amount you lose at the top? |
| 17:15.25 | Eraphine|Disco2 | To me it's worth it. |
| 17:15.27 | Legorol^ | right, that makes sense |
| 17:15.36 | Eraphine|Disco2 | Yes.. it's true for me. |
| 17:15.41 | Eraphine|Disco2 | at the bottom is where my mobs are.. i'm a warrior |
| 17:15.51 | Legorol^ | ok |
| 17:15.59 | Tain | Oi I need to learn to stop arguing with people who argue for the sake of arguing. |
| 17:16.00 | Legorol^ | i understand your point now |
| 17:16.06 | Legorol^ | ? |
| 17:16.06 | Osagasu | I need to get some auto reply code and make it automatically ":3" when Cair comes on from afk, reading, or sleep |
| 17:16.06 | shouryuu | lol |
| 17:16.07 | Eraphine|Disco2 | Tain - |
| 17:16.09 | Eraphine|Disco2 | Leg is a good guy |
| 17:16.10 | Osagasu | hmm |
| 17:16.18 | Eraphine|Disco2 | Give him the benefit of a doubt please |
| 17:16.20 | Legorol^ | i was trying to understand Eraphine's point, and i finally did |
| 17:16.25 | Legorol^ | i don't see what your problem was, Tain |
| 17:16.27 | Eraphine|Disco2 | you're a good guy too. |
| 17:16.34 | shouryuu | thnaks |
| 17:16.51 | Legorol^ | it was a misunderstanding, and we resolved it, that's gotta be good |
| 17:17.24 | swede|lurker | hmm.. |
| 17:17.35 | swede|lurker | so, wheres the guy that can set my wow process affinity.. |
| 17:17.50 | shouryuu | I am so tired |
| 17:17.52 | Tain | I'm not a good guy. |
| 17:18.10 | shouryuu | we all are |
| 17:18.12 | Legorol^ | swede, that'd be potentially be me |
| 17:18.12 | Cair | Tain dear |
| 17:18.18 | Legorol^ | unfortunately i might have to go soon |
| 17:18.35 | Legorol^ | double "be" ftw |
| 17:18.49 | swede|lurker | man.. |
| 17:18.56 | swede|lurker | this dual proc thing just wtf pwns now.. |
| 17:18.56 | shouryuu | Good and bad are overated anyways |
| 17:19.08 | swede|lurker | running two windows of wow is a butt-load easier than it was before |
| 17:19.14 | Eraphine|Disco2 | anyone have a link to the wdm? |
| 17:19.24 | Eraphine|Disco2 | I keep forgetting to bookmark it |
| 17:19.38 | Cair | wdm? |
| 17:19.39 | shouryuu | wdm? |
| 17:19.41 | shouryuu | damn |
| 17:19.45 | shouryuu | beat me to it |
| 17:19.45 | Eraphine|Disco2 | that thing taht beladona has |
| 17:19.51 | Eraphine|Disco2 | wdn? |
| 17:19.56 | Cair | wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 17:19.59 | Eraphine|Disco2 | oh yes :) |
| 17:20.01 | Eraphine|Disco2 | ty ty |
| 17:20.03 | Cair | np |
| 17:20.27 | Legorol^ | swede|lurker: what was the reason that windows didn't show you the two proces in task manager? |
| 17:20.38 | Legorol^ | btw if yo uare trying to set the process affinity, first try this little tool: |
| 17:20.49 | Legorol^ | http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/ProcessExplorer.html |
| 17:21.27 | swede|lurker | The windows HAL was set to a single processor system. changing the motherboard and adding another CPu doesnt change the hAL (i.e. the kernel and its abstraction layer). |
| 17:21.36 | swede|lurker | the only way to safely change it is to reinstall |
| 17:21.47 | swede|lurker | at least, that i found |
| 17:21.54 | Eraphine|Disco2 | that's what windows suggests |
| 17:22.18 | Legorol^ | that's odd, because when i toggle HyperThreading in BIOS, Windows switches between single/dual processor mode on next boot |
| 17:22.21 | Eraphine|Disco2 | my motherboard manual said if I disable or enable hyperthreading I should reinstall the os lol |
| 17:22.28 | Eraphine|Disco2 | maybe windows has gotten better. |
| 17:22.29 | Legorol^ | lol |
| 17:22.33 | Legorol^ | i have xp pro |
| 17:22.55 | swede|lurker | it depends on your motherboard. |
| 17:23.03 | Eraphine|Disco2 | hey leg, do you find hyperthreading helps for gaming? I saw benchmarks that don't show an improvement. |
| 17:23.10 | Eraphine|Disco2 | or dual core for that matter. |
| 17:23.10 | Legorol^ | i never tested it |
| 17:23.23 | swede|lurker | heh |
| 17:23.29 | Legorol^ | i am not convinced it's supposed to help in any way |
| 17:23.31 | Eraphine|Disco2 | It'd be nice if wow could do all the lua on one chip |
| 17:23.33 | swede|lurker | well, let me add my UI back to wow and i'll tell you.] |
| 17:23.36 | Eraphine|Disco2 | and render with the other |
| 17:23.42 | Legorol^ | my understanding was it helps most with ordinary windowsy things, like running several apps at once |
| 17:23.43 | krka | what is hyperthreading precisely? |
| 17:23.58 | krka | two or more processors? |
| 17:24.04 | Tain | XP sees hyperthreading CPUs automatically. |
| 17:24.06 | Eraphine|Disco2 | precisely? idk, but in laymans terms, it's virtual mulit-procesor support |
| 17:24.06 | Legorol^ | it's some kind of kinky stuff in the CPU that allows two pipelines going into the core, i think |
| 17:24.07 | Tain | And Windows 2003. |
| 17:24.22 | Legorol^ | it's not entirely virtual, there is partial hardware support |
| 17:24.26 | Eraphine|Disco2 | Yep |
| 17:24.29 | Legorol^ | some elements of the CPU are present twice |
| 17:24.31 | krka | ah, one processor that can use all parts of it at the same time? |
| 17:24.52 | Eraphine|Disco2 | http://www.intel.com/technology/hyperthread/ |
| 17:24.54 | swede|lurker | but amds dual core isnt virtual at all, and the new pentium dual core chips. |
| 17:25.05 | swede|lurker | hyperthreading like onboard raid controllers |
| 17:25.11 | Legorol^ | very laymanish: it's something like a single executor core, but there are two sets of pipelining chips |
| 17:25.12 | swede|lurker | its hardware, but some software too :) |
| 17:25.36 | Eraphine|Disco2 | yeah can split its pipelines in two |
| 17:25.58 | krka | kinda neat I suppose |
| 17:25.59 | swede|lurker | ok.. |
| 17:26.11 | Eraphine|Disco2 | It's only faster for multithreaded applications |
| 17:26.18 | Eraphine|Disco2 | that written very well. |
| 17:26.40 | swede|lurker | so, before reinstall (which how it was single processor was i installed windows Xp on another nforce MB machine, and moved the HD to this dual core one), i was getting around 15-25fps in kargath. |
| 17:26.55 | swede|lurker | now, reinstall, mostly the same active background processes running (need to install fraps), |
| 17:26.59 | swede|lurker | i get 50fps |
| 17:27.05 | swede|lurker | dual core ftw |
| 17:27.29 | Eraphine|Disco2 | that change seems a little bit too dramatic to be attributing entirely to dual processor |
| 17:27.38 | swede|lurker | nothing else has changed. |
| 17:27.41 | krka | wouldn't it also be faster if you ran two or more applications at once? |
| 17:27.47 | Eraphine|Disco2 | yep krka of course |
| 17:27.57 | swede|lurker | let me start up another wow :) |
| 17:28.09 | Legorol^ | swede has dual-core though |
| 17:28.10 | krka | good, then my course of parallell programming wasn't completely wasted |
| 17:28.23 | Legorol^ | my impression was that if i have HT on and have pretty much only WoW running, that's a waste |
| 17:28.35 | krka | i would imagine that WoW is running a few threads at once atleast though |
| 17:28.38 | swede|lurker | hyperthreading is not dual core though |
| 17:28.41 | Legorol^ | but if i am doing windowze-y things like several explorers, notepads, browsing irc, then it has some advantage |
| 17:28.51 | krka | graphics thread, input thread, possibly also a lua thread |
| 17:28.52 | Eraphine|Disco2 | no, but swede moved all his background apps to another processor |
| 17:29.04 | Legorol^ | yeah |
| 17:29.08 | Legorol^ | so for him it's probably good |
| 17:29.13 | Eraphine|Disco2 | krka, initial benchmarks I saw with wow and dual core showed no improvements |
| 17:29.17 | swede|lurker | windows does that huh ? |
| 17:29.18 | Eraphine|Disco2 | but - things change |
| 17:29.21 | Legorol^ | someone asked me earlier if HT gave me performance boost in WoW |
| 17:29.27 | Legorol^ | and i answered saying pretty much no |
| 17:29.34 | Legorol^ | i close almost all apps before running WoW, usually |
| 17:29.51 | krka | not exactly sure what properties the threads would need to have to benefit from HP |
| 17:29.53 | krka | HT |
| 17:29.59 | Legorol^ | don't know either |
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| 17:30.26 | Legorol^ | well, gotta go |
| 17:30.28 | krka | probably use as many components of the processor as possible, so that it's possible to do many things at the same time |
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| 17:30.55 | krka | one interesting thing would be to see if there were improvements in WoW with HT and linux |
| 17:31.05 | swede|lurker | i need to get more ram now. |
| 17:31.22 | krka | if there were any improvements there, it would mean that windows sucks at HT |
| 17:31.34 | Tain | It does depend on a lot more than just the HT cpu. |
| 17:31.42 | Eraphine|Disco2 | Large cities are difficult to do fps benchmarks in |
| 17:31.49 | Eraphine|Disco2 | the population fluctuates too much throughout the day |
| 17:31.54 | swede|lurker | do vael :) |
| 17:31.56 | Eraphine|Disco2 | sometimes in if I get 12 fps, sometimes 60 |
| 17:32.06 | Eraphine|Disco2 | I think vael kills all computers |
| 17:32.17 | Eraphine|Disco2 | I don't know anyone who gets consistently 20+ fps during the vael fight |
| 17:32.17 | Tain | For example if your CPU isn't a bottleneck today then you won't see as dramatic a change doing the exact same things with a HT CPU. |
| 17:32.27 | krka | good point |
| 17:32.46 | swede|lurker | one of our officers in the guild gets 60fps solid in vael. |
| 17:32.49 | swede|lurker | and all of bwl. |
| 17:32.49 | Eraphine|Disco2 | yeah - I think my vid and cpu are pretty well matched |
| 17:32.50 | krka | I think the bus speed and memory speed is the biggest issue |
| 17:33.02 | Eraphine|Disco2 | really? |
| 17:33.06 | swede|lurker | thats what he says. |
| 17:33.08 | Tain | Moving to a HT CPU can also show other bottlenecks, memory amount, possibly memory speed but I really never bought into that much. |
| 17:33.14 | swede|lurker | he's got like, the most uber computer ever. |
| 17:33.23 | Eraphine|Disco2 | meh |
| 17:33.24 | swede|lurker | i'm only at one 7800, i need to get a second |
| 17:33.26 | Tain | Definitely video card. |
| 17:33.32 | Eraphine|Disco2 | yeah - I'd say sli vid cards |
| 17:33.37 | Eraphine|Disco2 | biggest improvement |
| 17:33.41 | Eraphine|Disco2 | provided you have a 3+ ghz chip |
| 17:33.49 | swede|lurker | he's got two 7800 gtx's, and a pair of intel dual core processors, not sure which ones though |
| 17:34.01 | Eraphine|Disco2 | pair of dual cores? |
| 17:34.09 | Eraphine|Disco2 | 4 cores + HT = 8 pipelines? |
| 17:34.10 | swede|lurker | thats what he said.. i think. |
| 17:34.46 | swede|lurker | anyways, one char in org, the other char in ironforge, and the main window gets~30fps |
| 17:34.51 | swede|lurker | regardless of which im in. |
| 17:37.34 | Eraphine|Disco2 | that's nice. |
| 17:37.39 | Eraphine|Disco2 | crap.. now I want dual core |
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| 17:38.36 | swede|lurker | next sunday when we do vael, i'll see what happens |
| 17:43.58 | Parak | DC won't do anything for just WoW performance, though it will be noticeable if you try recording with fraps or running some encoding app in the background as well |
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| 17:46.16 | Cair|wow|sickkid | entertaining my kiddo who is home sick for the 3rd day in a row |
| 17:46.34 | elema | your kiddo? |
| 17:46.41 | Cair|wow|sickkid | yeah, my daughter |
| 17:46.51 | elema | lol |
| 17:46.53 | Cair|wow|sickkid | I think her strep is back =/ |
| 17:47.04 | elema | so you're a (happy) father |
| 17:47.21 | Parak | You must be new here :D |
| 17:47.29 | Cair|wow|sickkid | no no, wait |
| 17:48.03 | elema | is it one of the world old info's ? |
| 17:48.06 | Cair|wow|sickkid | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=288 |
| 17:48.13 | Cair|wow|sickkid | do I *really* look like a guy to you? |
| 17:48.47 | Parak | (IT'S A TRAP) |
| 17:48.58 | elema | teal? |
| 17:49.02 | elema | real? |
| 17:49.28 | Cair|wow|sickkid | yes real |
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| 17:50.00 | Cair|wow|sickkid | and to answer your other question, yes I'm a happy mother, except when she's sick |
| 17:50.44 | Kolth | hah @ |wow|sickkid |
| 17:50.45 | elema | so I'm really sorry (for the wrong thoughts), and please don't kick my ass of the chan ;) |
| 17:51.01 | Cair|wow|sickkid | not a problem ;) |
| 17:52.01 | swede|lurker | you know you play warcraft too much when you go to shut down windows and you hit the esc key. |
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| 17:52.30 | elema | hey kolth, do not laugh please, I really blush |
| 17:53.18 | Cair|wow|sickkid | elema: it's okay :) |
| 17:53.38 | Industrial | HAHAHAHA |
| 17:53.43 | Industrial | what are we laughing about? |
| 17:53.52 | elema | hmm so I change my minds topic.... |
| 17:54.08 | Tem | what do you add to a texture element to set it's default color? |
| 17:54.30 | elema | is it possible to highlight a texture (tex1) when I enter another texture (tex2) ? |
| 17:54.50 | elema | highlight is meant like the minimap button highlighting |
| 18:01.38 | futrtrubl | make tex1 a button |
| 18:01.57 | kergoth | meh |
| 18:01.59 | kergoth | mornings evil |
| 18:02.06 | futrtrubl | and set the mousover code for tex2 to LockHighlight() on tex1 |
| 18:02.23 | futrtrubl | and the mouseout code to UnlockHighlight |
| 18:02.51 | futrtrubl | that means tex2 will have to be a frame or similar, not just a texture |
| 18:02.58 | elema | ay ? didn't understood |
| 18:03.19 | elema | i define them as buttons/frames |
| 18:03.24 | elema | right? |
| 18:03.54 | futrtrubl | set tex1's NormalTexture and HighlightTexture to be how you want the button to look in each case |
| 18:03.59 | futrtrubl | yes |
| 18:05.04 | elema | at wowwiki I found a function called HighlightTexture(Texture); this doesn't work or? |
| 18:05.43 | futrtrubl | widget functions page? let me check it |
| 18:05.47 | Tain | ~today |
| 18:05.49 | purl | Wednesday sucks, because it is only half way through the week. |
| 18:06.49 | elema | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API#HighlightTexture |
| 18:07.27 | futrtrubl | yeah, that doesn't highlight the element, it tells it what it should look like when highlighted |
| 18:07.40 | elema | ay |
| 18:07.51 | futrtrubl | it's the lua method of giving a button a HighlightTexture element |
| 18:09.09 | elema | my problem is I wanna make a special flightmap addon, in this addon, I enter the texture for the IF flightmaster and it should highlight all the locations connected |
| 18:09.31 | elema | so I can't define every texture as frame (or it would be real... big) |
| 18:11.00 | futrtrubl | not that big, 40 frames max for all flightpaths in the game? but since you are doing the flightmap, all the destinations should already be buttons if you can click on them |
| 18:11.36 | elema | I do it not in the normal taxi frame |
| 18:11.55 | elema | i add a frame with flightpath's costs and durations |
| 18:13.02 | futrtrubl | you'l have to define textures for each location then. make a template frame that has the texture in it, then just make frames that inherit it instead of textures |
| 18:13.50 | elema | think I got what you mean |
| 18:14.40 | futrtrubl | though, if you still want it just be textures, have the mousover code SetTexture() on the textures you want highlighted, then SetTexture() back on mousout |
| 18:15.19 | elema | ahh, thinkl that's easier |
| 18:15.28 | futrtrubl | your current location will still need to be a frame to get mouseover events |
| 18:16.05 | futrtrubl | and if you want to be able to mousover other locations to see their connections then they will need to be frames |
| 18:19.09 | elema | does anyone knows, whats the thing with curse? I don't get there, always too much connections |
| 18:19.39 | elema | but I think big patchday isn't yet |
| 18:24.17 | Tem | what's the funny make it moveable hack? |
| 18:24.39 | Tem | <TitleRegion SetAllPoints="true"/> ? |
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| 18:30.26 | Malivil | Home again =-P |
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| 18:35.35 | kergoth | oooh, http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob.asp?JobID=36077601&AVSDM=2005%2D11%2D08+16%3A45%3A17&Logo=1&q=linux&lid=537&cy=us would be fun |
| 18:35.41 | kergoth | doubt i'd get in on that without a degree though |
| 18:40.21 | Malivil | that, that looks cool |
| 18:41.23 | Parak | ew, 25% travel |
| 18:41.24 | kergoth | indeed |
| 18:41.39 | kergoth | still, hacking on embedded stuff in an unmanned aircraft would be just fun |
| 18:42.13 | Parak | and possibly drustrating when the aircraft decides to fire a rocket at someone instead of photographing them |
| 18:42.25 | Tain | Ten reasons to drink during the holidays: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10352764/ |
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| 18:43.19 | Malivil | lol |
| 18:43.25 | Malivil | Beer goggles -- who said the holidays have to be lonely? |
| 18:45.59 | Malivil | can someone look at my if else statement and tell me what they think it will do? |
| 18:46.02 | Malivil | I want to see if it makes sense |
| 18:46.07 | Malivil | to anyoen other than me, haha |
| 18:46.09 | Malivil | *anyone |
| 18:47.08 | futrtrubl | sure |
| 18:50.38 | Tain | Gah I'm so bad at writing project plans before the project. |
| 18:50.43 | Tain | I don't see why I can't write them after I'm done. |
| 18:51.11 | kergoth | the problem with writing designs is that they arent very fluid. adapting them as the design changes is a pain |
| 18:54.57 | Tain | This is a very stupid one to begin with. Practically, "busy work." |
| 19:00.04 | Tem | bah I'm at a loss |
| 19:01.24 | Malivil | woot |
| 19:01.28 | Malivil | My mod works 100% now |
| 19:01.30 | Malivil | *dances* |
| 19:02.13 | kergoth | mm, metamap is pretty cool |
| 19:02.25 | krka | what's that? |
| 19:02.28 | kergoth | its like atlas and alphamap and the world map combined |
| 19:02.57 | krka | cool |
| 19:03.40 | Tem | ok, so if you have a font for a fontstring in the same folder as the xml |
| 19:03.45 | Tem | and it's name is "font.ttf" |
| 19:03.51 | Tem | why would this not work |
| 19:04.04 | Tem | <FontString name="$parentHealth" font="Font.ttf" justifyH="RIGHT" justifyV="MIDDLE"> |
| 19:04.11 | Tem | (font not set error) |
| 19:04.34 | kergoth | i dont think that path is correct. dont you need Interface/foo/bar/my.ttf? |
| 19:04.38 | kergoth | the way you do for images? |
| 19:04.52 | Tem | maybe? |
| 19:04.54 | krka | is metamap zoomable? |
| 19:05.11 | krka | though I suppose that's not really useful in all cases |
| 19:05.28 | shouryuu | ugh |
| 19:05.32 | shouryuu | just took a 2 hour nap |
| 19:05.33 | shouryuu | mmmmmhh |
| 19:05.48 | Tem | kergoth wins |
| 19:05.49 | kergoth | krka: not really, the zoom behaves like the world map, just changing from world to continent to zone |
| 19:05.52 | kergoth | yay |
| 19:05.57 | Tem | ~give kergoth a cookie |
| 19:05.59 | purl | ACTION gives kergoth a home-baked fortune cookie to cheer him up. |
| 19:06.17 | Tain | ~fortune |
| 19:06.18 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, fortune is a kickass app available for Linux. Packages are in OZ and http://frob.us/modules.php?name=Fortune lets you use fortune over the web. |
| 19:06.18 | Cair|wow|sickkid | ~botsnack |
| 19:06.18 | purl | Cair|wow|sickkid: aw, gee |
| 19:06.31 | Tain | I wanted a fortune. :( |
| 19:06.39 | kergoth | ~cookie |
| 19:06.44 | kergoth | theres your fortune |
| 19:07.20 | krka | hmm... is it clickable like the original map? |
| 19:07.27 | krka | i never did figure out how to do that in a good way |
| 19:07.43 | kergoth | seems to be. looks like you can make mapnotes and things |
| 19:08.45 | krka | i meant click on an area to zoom in |
| 19:08.56 | krka | and see the name of that area when hovering |
| 19:09.00 | shouryuu | Is it possible to get the X and Y of you mouse? |
| 19:09.12 | shouryuu | on screen X and Y |
| 19:09.22 | krka | also, can you view a certain map without actually changing the current map view? |
| 19:09.30 | krka | yes |
| 19:09.44 | shouryuu | Is there a function? |
| 19:09.49 | krka | yes |
| 19:09.55 | krka | don't remember it though |
| 19:09.59 | shouryuu | :( |
| 19:10.04 | shouryuu | can't find it on WoWWIKI |
| 19:10.19 | krka | hey! great idea! why don't someone make a mouse gesture addon? :) |
| 19:11.19 | krka | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetCursorPosition |
| 19:11.19 | shouryuu | thanks :P |
| 19:11.19 | shouryuu | I think someone did that already |
| 19:11.19 | MoonWolf | yay n52 |
| 19:12.01 | shouryuu | ahhh I was looking for something like GetMousePosition :P |
| 19:12.53 | shouryuu | didn't someone make a mod where if you moused over a player it would display a bar with his health over the mouse? |
| 19:13.50 | shouryuu | that could be doable |
| 19:16.02 | Malivil | is curse down for anyone else? |
| 19:16.24 | shouryuu | me |
| 19:16.32 | Malivil | cool, then it's not just me |
| 19:16.39 | shouryuu | :P |
| 19:19.03 | Cair|wow|sickkid | forgive me for being catty, but isn't it an easier question to ask "is curse up today?" |
| 19:19.15 | Cair|wow|sickkid | or , if not easier, at least more appropriate/applicable? |
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| 19:19.52 | Kolth | Better yet, "Is Curse acting up as usual for anyone else?" :P |
| 19:19.59 | Kolth | Curse hasn't been "up" in months. |
| 19:20.10 | Kolth | Rather, in a constant state of uselesssness. |
| 19:20.23 | Tain | Trinity University in San Antonio offers a course in online games. |
| 19:20.33 | Tain | Requirements include buying World of Warcraft. |
| 19:20.35 | Malivil | Cair, it was up like 10 minutes ago |
| 19:20.38 | Tain | http://www.trinity.edu/adelwich/mmo/index.html |
| 19:20.41 | Cair|wow|sickkid | hello Natasem |
| 19:21.02 | Malivil | or at least accesable |
| 19:21.08 | Malivil | If not to get the server limit screen |
| 19:21.42 | Malivil | But now (for the first time in my FF usage history) i got a screen in Firefox that says it can't connect to the server |
| 19:21.57 | Malivil | I think it's new in 1.5 or something, haha |
| 19:22.27 | krka | yes, i noticed that too recently |
| 19:23.57 | Tain | haha awesome, one of the students did her undergrad term paper on, "Customer Service in Massively Multiplayer Online Games" |
| 19:24.16 | Malivil | or lack there of |
| 19:24.19 | Malivil | in some cases |
| 19:24.43 | Natasem | wow the T.King's Elfwood for World of Warcraft looks pretty cool, hopefully he does one for every race |
| 19:26.02 | Malivil | Yea |
| 19:26.08 | Malivil | If i used the deafult interface, i'd so get it |
| 19:26.11 | Malivil | *default |
| 19:26.14 | Cair|wow|sickkid | he's already said he is going to |
| 19:26.32 | Malivil | Cool =-) |
| 19:26.47 | Malivil | holy crap |
| 19:26.51 | Malivil | curse is actually working again |
| 19:26.53 | Malivil | haga |
| 19:26.55 | Malivil | *haha |
| 19:27.01 | Cair|wow|sickkid | Natasem: are you there? |
| 19:27.52 | krka | the gnome one will be interesting |
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| 19:28.28 | krka | whoa... i must be tired or something, I read cairs nick as nekkid |
| 19:28.54 | Cair|wow|sickkid | hi Bela |
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| 19:31.16 | Malivil | lol, krka |
| 19:31.18 | MatryxWrk | Natasem: you about? |
| 19:31.25 | Malivil | There is a kid in my guild named nekkid |
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| 19:33.10 | MatryxWrk | hmmm, maybe later then - gotta go! |
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| 19:37.02 | malreth | yay. university is closing early today and opening late tomorrow |
| 19:39.10 | Natasem | New IM worm chats with intended victims http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-5984845.html?tag=nl.e589 |
| 19:40.38 | malreth | AAAARG!~ i'm 20 min from leaving early from work and a client calls in with an urgent problem |
| 19:40.50 | malreth | printer needs service... complete other side of the campus |
| 19:41.24 | malreth | someone say something so that I can swear at them |
| 19:42.32 | Malivil | ;-; |
| 19:42.52 | malreth | your self abuse is delicious |
| 19:43.58 | malreth | i'm currently working hard to pass this ticket off onto someone else. who do i blame? |
| 19:44.05 | malreth | it's gotta be someone outside of my team |
| 19:44.10 | Malivil | ...your assistant |
| 19:44.13 | Malivil | nevermind |
| 19:44.14 | Malivil | Uhhhh |
| 19:44.19 | Malivil | The guy down the hall |
| 19:44.27 | malreth | i'm too low on the ladder to have an assistant |
| 19:45.06 | malreth | i gave my client the name of the server tech contact for that building. muah ha ha! |
| 19:45.33 | Malivil | lol |
| 19:45.43 | Malivil | wow Cair |
| 19:45.46 | malreth | see, the beauty part of this is that i never said that he could do it or that it is even his job to do it |
| 19:45.51 | Malivil | You've been level 51 for a long time |
| 19:46.04 | malreth | just saying his name caused her to immediately /assume/ that he could fix it |
| 19:47.12 | Malivil | always a good way to get outta work |
| 19:47.13 | Malivil | lol |
| 19:47.21 | malreth | he'll hate me, but he's two managers away from me. i'm untouchable! |
| 19:48.41 | malreth | now, to duck out 10 minutes early. not early enough to get in trouble but just enough to avoid the inevitable phone call from him. |
| 19:51.15 | MoonWolf | malreth is the type of person i hate when trying to get something done |
| 19:52.09 | Malivil | haha |
| 19:52.13 | Malivil | .. |
| 19:52.14 | Malivil | You know |
| 19:52.22 | Malivil | I can't think of ANYTHING useful to add to my mod. |
| 19:52.37 | krka | then it's done! |
| 19:52.40 | krka | nicely done |
| 19:52.46 | Malivil | Yea... |
| 19:52.50 | Parak | Add the ability to skin it. |
| 19:52.55 | Malivil | Only too like... 3 days |
| 19:52.57 | Malivil | *took |
| 19:53.01 | krka | seriously, a mod shouldn't do too much |
| 19:53.03 | Malivil | 4 days |
| 19:53.13 | krka | the old unix motto: do one thing, and do it well |
| 19:53.14 | Malivil | The last thing i did was make each part of it toggleable |
| 19:53.20 | Malivil | and added a GUI |
| 19:53.35 | MoonWolf | ] |
| 19:53.47 | Malivil | And it's only 18kb |
| 19:54.01 | Malivil | .01 was 14 |
| 19:54.04 | Malivil | .06 is 18 |
| 19:54.08 | Malivil | and i added so much, haha |
| 19:54.40 | Malivil | Is it weird that i kept every version of the mod i made? |
| 19:54.44 | krka | it's not the size of the addon, it's how you use it! |
| 19:54.47 | Malivil | all 7 |
| 19:54.51 | Malivil | oo, good one =-P |
| 19:55.10 | Malivil | .01, .02, .03, .04, .05, .05b, .06 |
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| 20:01.28 | kergoth | Malivil: thats a very good thing. always keep old versions around. there's a reason people use source control. history is critical to efficient development |
| 20:01.36 | kergoth | nothing worse than breaking the code and not having the known working one to go back to |
| 20:01.55 | Malivil | Very true |
| 20:11.25 | kergoth | mm, eCastingBar is so perty. http://kergoth.com/images/screenshots/WOW/wow_sshot70.jpg |
| 20:15.43 | Malivil | nice |
| 20:17.06 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=Matt@ip70-177-40-169.br.br.cox.net) |
| 20:17.20 | Tem | anyone here know much about the model elements? |
| 20:18.10 | krka | well, models usually consist of the following elements: legs, butt, feet, ... |
| 20:18.31 | Osagasu | I thought it was Base, Torso, and Waist? |
| 20:18.34 | Tem | Osagasu: et tu, brute? |
| 20:18.55 | Osagasu | then whatever else. :P |
| 20:19.18 | Osagasu | like head, arms, hancs, feet, legs |
| 20:20.05 | Tem | for the record, that joke wasn't funny to begin with... dragging it out this long is even worse |
| 20:21.16 | Osagasu | what joke? |
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| 20:21.23 | Osagasu | what joke? |
| 20:21.28 | Osagasu | I was being serious |
| 20:21.41 | Te1 | I'm talking about WoW models |
| 20:21.44 | Te1 | t |
| 20:21.45 | Osagasu | you got stabbed and the model parts coincide with the body partsa |
| 20:22.09 | Te1 | like the ones used in myModel and similar mods |
| 20:22.32 | Osagasu | o.O |
| 20:22.36 | Te1 | nick Tem |
| 20:22.42 | Osagasu | haha |
| 20:22.56 | Tem | well that was fun |
| 20:23.10 | *** join/#wowi-lounge kremonte (n=help@ool-18bba44d.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 20:23.13 | Tem | This is what I'm thinking of |
| 20:24.07 | Tem | a mod that scans the inventory of people you mouseover and allows you to view them later |
| 20:24.23 | kremonte | you can do that? |
| 20:24.26 | Osagasu | there's one that does that for equipment |
| 20:24.30 | kremonte | or by inventory, do you mean equip |
| 20:24.31 | Malivil | How can you see other people's inventory though? |
| 20:24.39 | Tem | by inventory I mean equip |
| 20:24.45 | Osagasu | one already does that |
| 20:24.56 | Tem | yeah but I refuse to use anything Saien-made |
| 20:25.03 | Malivil | Why? |
| 20:25.04 | Tem | oh and I have ideas to make it better |
| 20:25.15 | kremonte | wots wrong with saien? |
| 20:25.16 | Tem | because he's an elitist asshole at best |
| 20:25.21 | kremonte | oh, ok |
| 20:25.24 | Osagasu | we all are |
| 20:25.31 | Malivil | I'm not.. |
| 20:25.36 | Tem | me either |
| 20:25.37 | Malivil | I'm just an asshole |
| 20:25.38 | Osagasu | did you not hear my speech about the modding community and Draka? |
| 20:25.41 | kremonte | i'm not elitist |
| 20:25.41 | kremonte | ;p |
| 20:25.46 | Malivil | =-P |
| 20:25.47 | krka | i'm pretty elitist |
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| 20:25.55 | krka | but that's only because I AM better than everyone else |
| 20:25.58 | Malivil | You and I said the same thing but differently, kergoth =-P |
| 20:26.09 | Malivil | lol kremonte |
| 20:26.11 | Malivil | err |
| 20:26.12 | Tem | Well I'm an elitist asshole, but I don't let everyone else see that part of me |
| 20:26.15 | Malivil | *krka |
| 20:26.19 | Malivil | stupid tab |
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| 20:26.36 | Tem | anyway |
| 20:26.44 | Tem | I hated that mod |
| 20:26.45 | Malivil | andi i meant kremonte the first time, not kergoth |
| 20:26.46 | Malivil | lol |
| 20:26.49 | Tem | he did a lousy job on that one |
| 20:26.51 | Malivil | too many k names! |
| 20:26.57 | Malivil | What would oyu add to it? |
| 20:26.59 | Malivil | *you |
| 20:27.11 | Tem | it's buggy as hell and it's crazy hard to find people in the list |
| 20:27.14 | Tem | anyway |
| 20:27.22 | Tem | I want to make it look like you are inspecting them right now |
| 20:27.31 | Malivil | oo |
| 20:27.32 | Tem | including the model in the middle |
| 20:27.34 | Malivil | That's a cool idea |
| 20:27.38 | Malivil | Hmm |
| 20:27.44 | Malivil | You would have to store thier model |
| 20:27.46 | Malivil | Is that possible? |
| 20:27.48 | Tem | no |
| 20:28.05 | Malivil | Or would it be your char with thier equips on |
| 20:28.23 | Tem | but I'm thinking it may be possible for me to load the right race and gender and give it their gear |
| 20:28.24 | kremonte | you could make a playermodel, let the user save a target as the model |
| 20:28.27 | kremonte | and keep the frame hidden |
| 20:28.55 | krka | why can't you store model? |
| 20:29.01 | krka | isn't it just texture and stuff? |
| 20:29.06 | Tem | I don't know jack about the model stuff |
| 20:29.08 | krka | hmm, or maybe it's 3d stuff |
| 20:29.10 | kremonte | texture and stuff..and the 3d model lol |
| 20:29.11 | Tem | which is why I asked here |
| 20:29.21 | kremonte | you CAN do race/gender, but i dont thin kyou can save the features |
| 20:29.30 | Tem | that's what I feared |
| 20:29.33 | kremonte | you could do something like make 5 playermodels, keep them hidden, and let you save them |
| 20:30.09 | Tem | race / gender would be easier |
| 20:30.22 | kremonte | yea, but more complicated code-wise |
| 20:30.26 | kremonte | you'd need to use a dressupmodel |
| 20:30.28 | Tem | if I feel inventive, I'll add feature toggles at the bottom |
| 20:30.35 | Tem | yes, I know |
| 20:30.44 | Tem | because I'm planning on putting their gear on it |
| 20:30.51 | Tem | that would be a dressupmodel right? |
| 20:30.55 | kremonte | yes |
| 20:31.15 | kremonte | you'd have to save all their gear in memory though.. not sure if that would cause overhead |
| 20:31.26 | kremonte | but then you still have the problem with multiple people, if you intend on keeping that |
| 20:31.32 | Tem | that's where it's not that hard |
| 20:31.37 | Tem | you only save item links |
| 20:31.51 | Tem | and if done right it doesn't take up a lot of memory |
| 20:32.10 | Tem | For example, KCI with 72,000 items in it uses LESS memory than DUF |
| 20:33.12 | Tem | and I'll probably add options to only save players of a certain level or class beyond the current session |
| 20:33.14 | kremonte | yeah, but unless you actually want to have a mess-with dressupmodel, i still think it could be simpler with just a playermodel |
| 20:33.27 | kremonte | un;ess you plan on saving equip sets or something? |
| 20:33.45 | Malivil | i gotta go for now |
| 20:33.46 | Malivil | cyall later |
| 20:33.47 | Tem | kremonte: do you even know what I'm talkinb about? |
| 20:33.54 | kremonte | sorta? lol |
| 20:34.06 | kremonte | [ 03:23 ] [Tem] This is what I'm thinking of |
| 20:34.07 | kremonte | [ 03:24 ] [Tem] a mod that scans the inventory of people you mouseover and allows you to view them later |
| 20:34.16 | Tem | ok good you were here for that part |
| 20:34.21 | kremonte | thats when i joined |
| 20:34.36 | Tem | yeah I saw you join in the middle so I wasn't sure if you were here for the important part |
| 20:34.41 | Tem | I guess I wasn't very clear then |
| 20:35.07 | kremonte | so you mean like, ["name of server"] [level] = 60 [race] = orc [gender] = f [head] = blah etc? |
| 20:35.35 | Tem | no |
| 20:37.11 | Tem | [Server][Character] = {level = level, gender = gender, race = race, head = headitemID, neck = neckitemID, ect...} |
| 20:37.25 | Tem | oh and also class |
| 20:37.37 | kremonte | well yar. didnt really mean exact code, just concept really |
| 20:37.59 | Tem | well pretty much like that |
| 20:38.07 | kremonte | then later you can bring up the equivalent to the inspect window |
| 20:38.16 | kremonte | except with some options at the bottom to change whats shown/hidden etc? |
| 20:38.25 | Tem | well |
| 20:38.32 | Tem | no |
| 20:38.41 | Tem | I want it to look like you are inspecting them |
| 20:38.42 | krka | tem, don't forget to include a timestamp of last scan |
| 20:38.55 | Tem | krka: that's a good idea |
| 20:39.10 | kremonte | call it Stalker :P |
| 20:39.13 | Tem | rofl |
| 20:39.17 | krka | or peepshow |
| 20:39.27 | Tem | I like stalker >< |
| 20:39.53 | krka | or PhotographicMemory |
| 20:39.54 | krka | a bit long though |
| 20:40.00 | Tem | anyway, the main issue is I don't know how to do the Model stuff |
| 20:40.03 | kremonte | stalker, short simple and... something |
| 20:40.16 | Tem | short, simple, and creepy |
| 20:40.22 | krka | skip the model stuff |
| 20:40.25 | Tem | no |
| 20:40.27 | krka | don't think there's a good way to do it |
| 20:40.33 | kremonte | you can probably just dl lozarerth's targetmodel for the xml |
| 20:40.35 | Tem | well I want to do it |
| 20:40.42 | kremonte | and *look* at saien's mod for finding out what they ahve equipped? |
| 20:40.47 | krka | unless you want to take a screenshot of every piece of equip and displaying that |
| 20:40.49 | Tem | oh that's easy |
| 20:41.08 | Tem | it's just GetInventoryItemLink("mouseover",slotID) |
| 20:41.15 | kremonte | lol wow |
| 20:42.03 | Tem | it's really quite simple to mine their gear info on mouseover |
| 20:42.15 | Tem | just just react to the UPDATE_MOUSEOVER_UNIT event |
| 20:42.32 | kremonte | Your food stamps will be stopped effective March 1992 because we |
| 20:42.33 | kremonte | received notice that you passed away. May God bless you. You may reapply |
| 20:42.33 | kremonte | if there is a change in your circumstances. |
| 20:42.37 | kremonte | lol. |
| 20:42.41 | krka | make sure to first check if the timestamp is old enough |
| 20:42.47 | krka | you don't want to scan _too_ often |
| 20:43.00 | kremonte | couldnt *really* hurt |
| 20:43.04 | Tem | well |
| 20:43.05 | kremonte | maybe a history of their old equip? :b |
| 20:43.10 | Tem | meh |
| 20:43.11 | krka | might slow things down |
| 20:43.17 | Tem | I think that might be an issue |
| 20:43.31 | kremonte | maybe on gaining a target, instead of mouseover? |
| 20:43.32 | krka | a history might be interesting :) |
| 20:43.50 | futrtrubl | like lootlink kremonte? |
| 20:43.51 | Tem | krka: yes it could be interesting, but it would rack up memory FAST |
| 20:43.59 | kremonte | huh, futrtrubl? |
| 20:44.16 | futrtrubl | oops, I meant thottbot |
| 20:44.17 | krka | yup |
| 20:44.19 | Tem | especially when they change gear because they mounted up |
| 20:44.29 | kremonte | *confused* |
| 20:44.43 | Tem | kremonte: he means only scan on gain target like thottbot does |
| 20:44.52 | futrtrubl | thottbot get a targets gear info etc when you target them |
| 20:44.53 | kremonte | oh, never used that =X |
| 20:44.56 | Anduin|Comatose | what're we talkign about? mining id's for lootlink? |
| 20:44.59 | kremonte | but yeah, that would make sense |
| 20:45.23 | kremonte | Anduin|Comatose- Tem is being a stalker |
| 20:45.29 | Tem | >< |
| 20:45.38 | Tem | throwing a mod concept |
| 20:45.43 | Anduin|Comatose | consulting people about their equip? |
| 20:45.56 | Tem | similar to inspect memory but not shitty |
| 20:46.09 | Anduin|Comatose | ya, I wrote a mod to compute raid member fire resist nce.. |
| 20:46.11 | Tem | (or whatever he named it) |
| 20:46.22 | Tem | Anduin|Comatose: that sounds interesting |
| 20:46.28 | Anduin|Comatose | didn't work too well |
| 20:46.30 | kremonte | doesnt CTRA have that? |
| 20:46.32 | Tem | haha |
| 20:46.42 | Tem | kremonte: no I don't think so |
| 20:46.47 | kremonte | if itemQuality == 0 SendChatMessage("your equip sucks", "whisper", this.language, "target") end |
| 20:46.56 | Anduin|Comatose | have to account for buffs and equipment, i didn't put enough time into it to be effective |
| 20:47.02 | krka | EquipTaunt would be a great addon |
| 20:47.11 | kremonte | lol |
| 20:47.16 | krka | "Lol, you still have green boots at level 59?" |
| 20:47.22 | kremonte | >.>; |
| 20:47.27 | Tem | rofl |
| 20:47.28 | kremonte | i have 2 greens :( |
| 20:47.31 | krka | perhaps with customizable texts: |
| 20:47.33 | kremonte | *shamed* |
| 20:47.45 | kremonte | hey! 1.8.4 fixed the addon button! |
| 20:47.54 | krka | "Lol, you still have %s at level %s?" |
| 20:47.55 | Anduin|Comatose | uh huh, sure |
| 20:48.13 | Tem | anyway, Anduin|Comatose, what I'm thinking of does is writing a mod that scans players gear on mouseover and lets you view it later |
| 20:48.20 | Tem | s/does/doing/ |
| 20:48.44 | Tem | when you view it later it tries is hardest to make it look like you are inspecting them now |
| 20:48.45 | Anduin|Comatose | how is that useful? |
| 20:48.59 | Anduin|Comatose | just for out of range inspecting? |
| 20:49.09 | kremonte | CTRA does have it |
| 20:49.13 | Tem | well, no |
| 20:49.24 | Anduin|Comatose | ctra just transmits it on the channel i think |
| 20:49.33 | kremonte | yea |
| 20:49.39 | Anduin|Comatose | that's not detection |
| 20:49.43 | Tem | it's good for people who are just curious |
| 20:49.49 | kremonte | meh |
| 20:50.03 | Tem | hey, trust me, scanning item tooltips sucks |
| 20:50.05 | Anduin|Comatose | detection is infinitely harder than just askign for it... duh |
| 20:50.07 | Tem | it sucks a lot |
| 20:50.15 | kremonte | Sea.wow.tooltip.scan! |
| 20:50.17 | krka | i think tooltips are kinda easy to work with |
| 20:50.22 | kremonte | i'm using that for me crappy mod |
| 20:50.27 | kremonte | for finding enchant IDs |
| 20:50.48 | Tem | Scanning itself is easy |
| 20:50.54 | Tem | is the parsing that's a bitch |
| 20:50.56 | Anduin|Comatose | note that if u know the line u want it's more efficient to use the single like Sea scan |
| 20:50.59 | kremonte | how do you split a string into a table by a character? (item:d+:d+:d+:d+) |
| 20:51.12 | Anduin|Comatose | Sea.util.split |
| 20:51.31 | kremonte | bah, lua doesnt have anything like that built in? |
| 20:51.33 | kremonte | dang |
| 20:51.37 | kremonte | well, yay sea |
| 20:51.41 | Tem | no but this is better anyway |
| 20:51.46 | krka | gsub would work, right? |
| 20:51.54 | Tem | yeah |
| 20:51.56 | Anduin|Comatose | gsub works fine |
| 20:52.04 | Tem | and gsub would be more efficient |
| 20:52.23 | Anduin|Comatose | if you know how many times it repeats |
| 20:52.39 | Tem | well if you don't then use gfing |
| 20:52.43 | Tem | use the iterator |
| 20:53.05 | Anduin|Comatose | long as you dont want it in an easily indexable table |
| 20:53.13 | Tem | sure |
| 20:53.15 | Anduin|Comatose | or are worried about gc |
| 20:53.23 | Tem | and that's what I was getting at |
| 20:53.39 | Tem | tables get nasty when you start to use them too liberally |
| 20:53.52 | Anduin|Comatose | meh, i onyl have issues with them onupdate |
| 20:54.15 | Anduin|Comatose | the rest of the time i'd rather use whatever's faster |
| 20:54.41 | Tem | string.gsub(itemlink,"item%:%d+:%d+:%d+:(%d+).*","%1") |
| 20:54.56 | Tem | whoops |
| 20:55.02 | Tem | you don't need that first % |
| 20:55.13 | Anduin|Comatose | would grab the 4th #, correct |
| 20:55.18 | Tem | it won't break anything, but it's unneeded |
| 20:55.28 | kremonte | i'm just kinda making something to use a few times, but not really actively |
| 20:55.29 | kremonte | so |
| 20:55.35 | kremonte | who cares about garbage collection? |
| 20:55.44 | Anduin|Comatose | too many people, aparently |
| 20:56.00 | Anduin|Comatose | write it now, optimize later |
| 20:56.20 | Anduin|Comatose | is the traditional approach |
| 20:56.40 | kremonte | well, in my case, since me is the only one using it, kre doesnt care =D |
| 20:56.41 | Tem | optimizations can often leave code unreadable |
| 20:56.47 | kremonte | lol |
| 20:56.49 | Anduin|Comatose | right |
| 20:57.05 | Anduin|Comatose | optimizations make u have to comment every other line |
| 20:57.17 | kremonte | so wait, just to get the second # |
| 20:57.18 | krka | http://pastebin.com/452998 |
| 20:57.22 | krka | would that work? |
| 20:57.30 | krka | i think it creates a minimum amount of strings |
| 20:57.31 | kremonte | string.gsub(itemlink,"item:(%d+):%d+:%d+:%d+.*","%1") |
| 20:57.37 | kremonte | would that work? |
| 20:57.41 | Tem | string.gsub(itemlink,"item:%d+:(%d+):%d+:%d+.*","%1") |
| 20:57.47 | Tem | for the second one |
| 20:57.49 | krka | might also be faster than gsub |
| 20:58.01 | Anduin|Comatose | or if u know it's a link: string.gsub(itemlink,"item:%d+:(%d+).*","%1") |
| 20:58.09 | kremonte | oh, that works |
| 20:58.18 | kremonte | i wont get anything after that #, right? |
| 20:58.21 | krka | look at my link damn it :P |
| 20:58.27 | kremonte | (i dont know anything about patterns =D) |
| 20:58.51 | Anduin|Comatose | krka, isn't that basicly Sea.util.split? |
| 20:58.56 | Tem | oh wait |
| 20:59.24 | Tem | string.gsub(itemlink,".*item%:%d+:(%d+).*","%1") |
| 20:59.30 | Tem | damnit! |
| 20:59.35 | Tem | string.gsub(itemlink,".*item:%d+:(%d+).*","%1") |
| 20:59.36 | kremonte | %! |
| 20:59.38 | Tem | there |
| 20:59.44 | kergoth | krka: that wont be faster than gsub. |
| 20:59.57 | Tem | gsub is in C |
| 21:00.01 | Tem | it's blinding |
| 21:00.02 | krka | no wait, that misses the last element... |
| 21:00.08 | kergoth | Tem: right |
| 21:00.11 | krka | Anduin|Comatose, don't know didn't look at sea |
| 21:00.13 | shouryuu | so would it be possible to create an add-on that displays a health bar over the mouse when you mouse over a player? |
| 21:00.21 | Tem | yes |
| 21:00.27 | Beladona | should be pretty easy |
| 21:00.36 | shouryuu | yeah |
| 21:00.36 | Tem | I think it's been done before |
| 21:00.41 | krka | still, gsub is a regex match, mine is just a plain string search |
| 21:00.42 | shouryuu | think so too |
| 21:01.02 | kremonte | zomg not regex!!!! |
| 21:01.03 | Beladona | it is the same idea as the mouse following tooltips people have done |
| 21:01.06 | shouryuu | just need to get X,Y of mouse, parse the tooltip, if there's a player, get it's health and then that's done |
| 21:01.18 | Beladona | and I believe some of them even have health bars |
| 21:01.25 | Anduin|Comatose | krka, Sea.util.split used string.find and allows you to pass a table so it doesn't create a new one |
| 21:01.32 | shouryuu | I'll have to look for one of those mods |
| 21:01.39 | krka | i see |
| 21:01.50 | krka | anywhere I can browse through sea code online? |
| 21:01.57 | krka | or do I have to download and unzip and stuff |
| 21:02.10 | Tem | krka: you do know that string.find is regex too right? |
| 21:02.15 | Anduin|Comatose | no, yes. but i can post the split code if u want |
| 21:02.24 | krka | not if you set the fourth parameter to 1 tem |
| 21:02.33 | krka | (or not nil, to be more exact) |
| 21:02.37 | krka | sure Anduin|Comatose |
| 21:03.04 | Tem | krka: really? |
| 21:03.07 | krka | yes |
| 21:03.10 | Tem | cool |
| 21:03.26 | Anduin|Comatose | we'd make our svn read only but Thott wont let people have public access to those servers |
| 21:03.36 | krka | optional argument plain turns off the pattern matching facilities, so the function does a plain "find substring" operation, with no characters in pattern being considered "magic". |
| 21:03.41 | krka | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.0/manual.html#5.3 |
| 21:04.01 | Beladona | you would have to create a frontend that gets the data and displays it in a way that you need |
| 21:04.02 | Tem | coolbeans |
| 21:04.19 | Anduin|Comatose | that's ur area bel |
| 21:04.27 | Beladona | svn is great for backend work, but it isn't so great for public presentation methinks |
| 21:04.51 | Beladona | will see if I can set something up though |
| 21:04.55 | Anduin|Comatose | well, make an app that does a conversion from svn versioning to a web gui and ill use it |
| 21:04.57 | Beladona | after I finish tweaking my site =\ |
| 21:05.17 | Anduin|Comatose | there's a web gui for svn, but u still need access |
| 21:05.43 | Anduin|Comatose | krka http://wow.pastebin.com/453011 can you think of any way of making that more efficient? |
| 21:08.52 | Anduin|Comatose | if so whisper my a link. I have a final to fail |
| 21:08.59 | Anduin|Comatose | me* |
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| 21:09.32 | Anduin|Comatose | ask iriel too |
| 21:09.35 | krka | mstart, mend, value = string.find(text, "([^"..separator.."]+)", init); |
| 21:09.39 | krka | strong concatenation inside? |
| 21:09.47 | krka | also no plain search |
| 21:09.56 | Iriel | Ask me what? |
| 21:10.04 | Anduin|Comatose | try and optimize http://wow.pastebin.com/453011 |
| 21:10.21 | krka | i have something that should be faster already. though it doesn't purge tables yet |
| 21:10.25 | krka | that code is pretty clever actually |
| 21:10.39 | Iriel | The line krka just mentioned is an obvious problem |
| 21:10.41 | shouryuu | Ok someone just stealth bumped like 3 threads on the forums |
| 21:10.44 | kremonte | repeat until = do while? |
| 21:10.45 | shouryuu | who was it :@ |
| 21:10.48 | Anduin|Comatose | but i have to go so i cant answer ?'s just whisper me results. Legorol wrote it |
| 21:11.01 | krka | ok |
| 21:11.04 | shouryuu | krem- with repeat until you will repeat at least once |
| 21:11.08 | krka | I'd be happy to write an optimal variant |
| 21:11.10 | Iriel | but otherwise it's pretty good. |
| 21:11.12 | Beladona | not a bad idea |
| 21:11.12 | shouryuu | not with do while that's all |
| 21:11.13 | krka | shouldn't take long |
| 21:11.22 | Beladona | string to table, good move |
| 21:11.26 | Iriel | if you want to be super paranoid, resolve string.find, table.getn, and table.insert into locals |
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| 21:11.34 | kremonte | nah shouryuu, same as do while it seems. you thinking of while do |
| 21:11.47 | Iriel | definitely move the pattern construction into a local before the loop |
| 21:12.09 | shouryuu | krem- true :P |
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| 21:12.21 | Iriel | (And add code to % escape the separator if it's a metacharacter) |
| 21:12.22 | krka | i don't see why a pattern is needed at all |
| 21:13.15 | Iriel | presumably because find works on patterns 8-) |
| 21:13.31 | krka | not necessarily |
| 21:13.33 | Anduin|Comatose | spose u could make the sepperator a regex.. |
| 21:13.44 | krka | it can be used as a plain string search |
| 21:13.54 | Iriel | but that makes the loop MUCH messier |
| 21:13.59 | krka | not raelly |
| 21:14.01 | Iriel | you have to detect runs of separators yourself, etc |
| 21:14.11 | krka | did you see my pastebin link? |
| 21:14.12 | Iriel | I bet it's at least double its current size |
| 21:14.15 | Iriel | No |
| 21:14.21 | krka | http://pastebin.com/452998 |
| 21:14.24 | krka | not very messy at all |
| 21:14.38 | krka | that has a slight bug in it, but mostly it works |
| 21:14.45 | Iriel | Yours doesn't work though, not the same way |
| 21:15.02 | Iriel | Though PERSONALLY I like the behaviour of yours better for general use |
| 21:15.19 | Iriel | Input " This is an oddly spaced result " |
| 21:15.28 | Iriel | Will not generate the same results between the two |
| 21:15.46 | Iriel | So technically you've not optimized Anduin's - you've created a new one that does something else 8-) |
| 21:16.22 | krka | hm, true |
| 21:16.27 | krka | i will get a lot of 0 length strings |
| 21:16.32 | krka | if that is what you eman |
| 21:16.34 | krka | mean |
| 21:16.36 | krka | easily fixed though |
| 21:16.41 | Iriel | though again, in many cases, you WANT those 0 length strings |
| 21:16.55 | Iriel | but not for the 'command parsing' case which is where I believe this is intended for use |
| 21:17.06 | Iriel | true, it is easily fixed, but it complicates the loop |
| 21:17.11 | krka | not really |
| 21:17.20 | Iriel | i'd be curious to see a good rigorous timing test between the two approaches |
| 21:17.23 | krka | I just have to check the length of the string before adding it |
| 21:17.32 | krka | I intend to do that |
| 21:17.39 | Tem | and that complicates the loop |
| 21:17.41 | Iriel | dont check the length of the string directly |
| 21:17.44 | Iriel | that's very wasteful |
| 21:17.52 | Tem | check if it's "" |
| 21:17.57 | Iriel | check the index pairs |
| 21:18.01 | Iriel | Dont even call string.sub at all |
| 21:18.09 | Iriel | (Because that creates objects and is thus bad) |
| 21:18.30 | Iriel | And I assume your 'bug' is that you miss the last string |
| 21:18.42 | krka | well duh :P |
| 21:18.47 | krka | I'm not a complete moron... always =) |
| 21:19.02 | krka | yes iriel, that is correct :) |
| 21:19.04 | Iriel | You missed the last string in your loop, so you'er not perfect either 8-) |
| 21:19.05 | krka | good find |
| 21:19.12 | krka | yeah I know |
| 21:19.21 | krka | my first test run showed that |
| 21:19.26 | krka | hooray for posting code before testing =) |
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| 21:20.18 | Tain | I always post code before testing! Oh wait, you don't mean post for public download do you. |
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| 21:23.27 | Iriel | do you have an updated one krka? |
| 21:24.39 | zeeg | ugh |
| 21:24.42 | zeeg | i hate regexp |
| 21:24.45 | krka | soon i have |
| 21:24.53 | krka | it got a little messy now though :P |
| 21:24.58 | zeeg | im tired, maybe someone can help it |
| 21:25.00 | zeeg | /<a href="?download.php\?mirror=(.*?)"? target="?mirror"?>(.+)<\/a>/i |
| 21:25.03 | zeeg | trying to match.. |
| 21:25.10 | zeeg | <A HREF=download.php?mirror=http%3A%2F%2Ffiles.filefront.com%2FLiadovAndVoldigarPreviewwmv%2F%3B4417553%3B%3B%2Ffileinfo.html&id=11331 target=mirror>Filefront (wmv)</a> |
| 21:25.14 | Kolth | ick |
| 21:25.28 | zeeg | blame the site :p |
| 21:25.48 | Iriel | escape your .'s for a start 8-) |
| 21:25.51 | krka | iriel: http://pastebin.com/453048 |
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| 21:26.04 | zeeg | ? |
| 21:26.04 | zeeg | why |
| 21:26.06 | krka | not very extensively tested but should work |
| 21:26.13 | krka | gonna do some performance comparisons now |
| 21:26.22 | Iriel | zeeg: good habit, and style |
| 21:26.31 | zeeg | meh |
| 21:26.41 | Iriel | You made your .+ greedy too |
| 21:26.42 | zeeg | no need to |
| 21:26.43 | zeeg | i use single quotes |
| 21:26.48 | Iriel | You might need (.+?) |
| 21:26.53 | Iriel | What do you mean zeeg |
| 21:26.57 | zeeg | ahh so * means greedy? |
| 21:27.01 | Iriel | . matches any one character, but you're using it to match literal . |
| 21:27.12 | Iriel | No, you got (.*?) right |
| 21:27.17 | Iriel | You got (.+) wrong |
| 21:27.20 | zeeg | oh |
| 21:27.31 | Iriel | Assuming this is perl syntax |
| 21:27.36 | zeeg | i thought + meant one char min |
| 21:27.39 | zeeg | and * meant any num |
| 21:27.44 | Iriel | + means 1 or more |
| 21:27.49 | Iriel | * means 0 or more |
| 21:27.54 | Iriel | but they'er both greedy by default |
| 21:27.56 | futrtrubl | hmm, WoW's error reporter has failed me, just got an error saying "attempt to call a nil value" |
| 21:28.03 | futrtrubl | nothing else |
| 21:28.11 | zeeg | oh |
| 21:28.18 | zeeg | well im getting 0 matches |
| 21:28.26 | Iriel | Hm, well, that isn't it then |
| 21:28.39 | Iriel | do you need to stick an 's' next to the 'i' at the end in case it wraps lines |
| 21:28.54 | zeeg | its not wrapping tho |
| 21:29.12 | Iriel | It wrapped when you pasted it, so I wasn't sure |
| 21:29.29 | zeeg | oh |
| 21:29.30 | zeeg | wait |
| 21:29.30 | zeeg | i know why |
| 21:30.17 | zeeg | ahh there we go |
| 21:30.54 | zeeg | i had a bug in the php |
| 21:30.56 | zeeg | :P |
| 21:31.02 | zeeg | /<a href="?download.php\?mirror=(.*?)"? target="?mirror"?>(.*?)<\/a>/i |
| 21:31.03 | zeeg | works :) |
| 21:31.05 | futrtrubl | anyone know in what circumstances I would get an error that only says "attempt to call a nil value"? |
| 21:31.30 | Iriel | when you try and call a function that doesn't exist |
| 21:31.42 | krka | Iriel: my version is about twice as fast |
| 21:32.21 | Iriel | Is it result-compatible? |
| 21:32.34 | krka | haven't really verified |
| 21:32.50 | futrtrubl | I'm not trying to call a function, all my code is in an <OnClick> script area of a button, in the xml |
| 21:32.55 | Iriel | You have a bug again |
| 21:33.04 | Industrial | bzzzzzz |
| 21:33.06 | Industrial | --^ bug |
| 21:33.07 | krka | hmm, if i have many empty results, i'm only slightly faster |
| 21:33.10 | krka | what is it+ |
| 21:33.17 | Iriel | you have a return t at the end of the loop |
| 21:33.19 | zeeg | k |
| 21:33.20 | zeeg | checking for mirrors on movieview.php?id=3133 - This is a short pvp movie where Me and Adrul go around pvping in darkshire and some in tanaris. this is my first WoW movie so be nice to me. Enjoy ! - Grall and Adrul do azeroth |
| 21:33.21 | zeeg | :P |
| 21:33.23 | Iriel | but then table fixing code afterwards |
| 21:33.29 | zeeg | now to just make it list the mirrors right |
| 21:33.34 | zeeg | then find a host thats not ghetto |
| 21:34.00 | krka | i don't see it Iriel |
| 21:34.17 | Iriel | krka: Maybe it's not a bug, just igly code. |
| 21:34.22 | krka | hey! =) |
| 21:34.42 | Iriel | oh.. ignore me 8-) it's not bad at all, t wasn't the bit I thought it was 8-) |
| 21:34.57 | Tain | Ugly code needs love too. |
| 21:35.37 | Iriel | You can make it faster by looking up string.len(text) ONCE at the start, I suspect |
| 21:35.58 | Tain | Oh boy, McDonalds is going to start using Windows XP embedded systems at their registers. |
| 21:36.48 | krka | why? |
| 21:36.51 | krka | it's only called once total |
| 21:36.59 | kergoth | neat! do we get a discount when it blue screens? |
| 21:37.02 | Iriel | ah |
| 21:38.01 | krka | yes, seems to result compatible too |
| 21:38.34 | zeeg | k there we go |
| 21:38.35 | krka | ok, my code is slower if the amount of separators is larger than the amount of catches |
| 21:39.35 | Tem | Iriel: did you see how they were making strings oop in 5.1? |
| 21:41.17 | krka | of course, I do one string.find call per separator, Sea does one per caught value |
| 21:41.19 | krka | hm |
| 21:44.58 | krka | i wonder if it's even possible to code a split that's fastest for all cases |
| 21:45.52 | kergoth | why dont you just profile it? it isnt difficult. stop the speculating and get numbers |
| 21:45.57 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:46.37 | krka | i am profiling it |
| 21:47.08 | Iriel | krka: Code to figure out which one to use would be worse would almost certainly outweigh the time difference between the two approaches |
| 21:47.49 | krka | the current version is never slower then a factor 2 than mine |
| 21:47.58 | krka | and that could also be optimized a bit |
| 21:48.05 | krka | I'll optimize that approach and see what I come up with |
| 21:48.25 | Iriel | krka: Any reason why you dont use table.insert? |
| 21:48.45 | krka | i don't need to |
| 21:48.50 | krka | why, should I? |
| 21:49.01 | Iriel | well, you're essentially simulating it |
| 21:49.24 | krka | i thought t[i] was more primitive than table.insert |
| 21:49.46 | Iriel | It could well be, but you're also incrementing a counter at the same time |
| 21:50.02 | krka | hmm... true |
| 21:50.08 | krka | good point, will have to test it |
| 21:50.14 | krka | http://pastebin.com/453096 |
| 21:50.20 | krka | there is current code + profiling stuff |
| 21:51.58 | krka | nope, that really slowed it down |
| 21:52.54 | zeeg | im sol |
| 21:52.56 | zeeg | gotta find a new host |
| 21:53.16 | Cair|afk | o.O |
| 21:53.24 | Cair|afk | I thought you *are* a host |
| 21:53.30 | zeeg | err for dif site |
| 21:53.34 | zeeg | not a guru site |
| 21:53.39 | Iriel | Are you localizing your table.x lookups? |
| 21:53.45 | Iriel | i.e. local tinsert = table.insert |
| 21:53.47 | Iriel | etc |
| 21:54.30 | Cair|afk | so why can't guru host it? |
| 21:54.58 | krka | nope, i didn't do that |
| 21:55.01 | krka | good idea though |
| 21:55.04 | Iriel | it helps |
| 21:55.15 | krka | but there really was a huge difference with it |
| 21:55.20 | krka | doubled the total time |
| 21:56.01 | Iriel | Are you re-using a work table or creating a new table each time? |
| 21:56.25 | Iriel | because if you're using a work table, you'd need table.setn(0) |
| 21:56.48 | krka | i do? |
| 21:56.51 | krka | why? |
| 21:56.59 | Iriel | with table.insert |
| 21:57.03 | Iriel | otherwise your table will keep growing |
| 21:57.12 | krka | hm, not using table.insert thuogh |
| 21:57.24 | Iriel | you just profiled it with table.insert |
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| 21:57.30 | Iriel | I just told you why I think your profiling was wrong |
| 21:57.34 | Iriel | because you dont do table.setn |
| 21:57.35 | krka | true.. |
| 21:57.43 | krka | i can redo it I suppose... *sigh* :) |
| 21:57.50 | malreth | yow! this salsa is hott! |
| 21:58.00 | Iriel | I actually decided to benchmark the two without the table stuff |
| 21:58.30 | Iriel | they're extremely close |
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| 21:58.41 | sarf|WoW | ahhh... 3 hour grinding session in Silithus |
| 21:58.43 | sarf|WoW | time to sleep |
| 21:58.46 | krka | 2.05 before -- 3.31 after |
| 21:58.46 | sarf|WoW | G'nite! |
| 21:58.50 | krka | table.insert sucks |
| 21:58.56 | Cair|afk | night sarf|sleep, sweet dreams |
| 21:58.58 | Ktron | Ah, finally back |
| 21:59.12 | Ktron | reformatting/reinstalling takes a way |
| 21:59.15 | Ktron | *while |
| 21:59.28 | krka | yes Iriel, very clsoe |
| 21:59.30 | Ktron | thankfully WoW runs as long as you have all the files |
| 21:59.54 | krka | the sea version is almost as good as mine when I had optimized both |
| 22:00.10 | krka | sea version is better where there are a lot of seperators |
| 22:00.44 | Iriel | theirs can handle multi separators too |
| 22:01.06 | malreth | ooh, optimizing? what's the problem? |
| 22:01.11 | krka | so... when do I have to do table.setn? |
| 22:01.16 | krka | after I fiddle with it manually? |
| 22:01.25 | Iriel | yes |
| 22:01.27 | krka | so I should set it to the correct value after I'm done? |
| 22:01.37 | Iriel | yes |
| 22:02.53 | krka | setn really slowed me down :/ |
| 22:02.54 | krka | damn it |
| 22:03.04 | Iriel | you only need it once at the end don't you? |
| 22:03.15 | krka | yes |
| 22:03.17 | krka | even so |
| 22:03.40 | krka | ok, they're about the same now... I give up :) |
| 22:04.24 | malreth | ooh, i'm dying to know. i have to know |
| 22:04.29 | krka | that should be a better version of the original sea split anyway: http://pastebin.com/453121 |
| 22:04.56 | krka | hmm.. I have more error checking than that one though |
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| 22:05.43 | krka | didn't do much difference |
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| 22:11.13 | shouryuu | rwar |
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| 22:12.51 | clad|work | Evening |
| 22:13.02 | Astryl | Kwak. |
| 22:13.53 | krka | who is gfind bad btw? |
| 22:13.55 | krka | how |
| 22:14.06 | Iriel | it creates an iterator function |
| 22:14.11 | Iriel | which then gets GC'ed at the end |
| 22:14.24 | Iriel | Lego is pathologically anti-GC 8-) |
| 22:15.51 | krka | ah, yes |
| 22:16.11 | krka | only slightly faster with gfind though |
| 22:16.16 | kergoth | that's a bit excessive. in most cases i prefer the code clarity that comes with using an iterator, unless you're in a critcial path |
| 22:17.24 | krka | have I understood this correctly: the value of getn doesn't change unless I use table.insert / remove? |
| 22:19.34 | Tain | Mostly, yes. |
| 22:20.27 | Tain | I believe really the only other time it would change without doing table.insert is if you are incrementing the numeric keys yourself, in order, and don't leave any gaps. |
| 22:21.01 | krka | i see |
| 22:21.39 | krka | ok, this should be the fastest split that creates minimal garbage: http://pastebin.com/453147 |
| 22:21.42 | krka | feel free to correct me |
| 22:22.11 | Tain | At least that's my udnerstanding that getn just count the numeric index. Any non-numeric, or non-sequential index throws it off. |
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| 22:25.09 | Beladona | hi guys |
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| 22:25.21 | Beladona | anybody playing wow? |
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| 22:31.41 | Plorkyeran | I'm sitting in an AB queue at the moment |
| 22:34.29 | Ktron | I did a little earlier Beladona, though on Lightninghoof |
| 22:34.42 | Kolth | Ktron: I'm on Lhoof :P |
| 22:34.55 | Ktron | horde or alliance, guild? |
| 22:35.00 | Kolth | Alliance |
| 22:35.14 | Kolth | I play Bloodhoof Horde and my guildmates are just goofing around on Lhoof. |
| 22:35.18 | cladhaire | if anyone stops by kael'thas or stormrage.. lemme know |
| 22:35.18 | Ktron | heh, I'm horde, 'Steel and Flame' |
| 22:35.33 | Malivil | I play on Staghelm |
| 22:35.38 | Malivil | But my old hunter is on Hellscream |
| 22:35.43 | Malivil | I plan on moving him ASAP |
| 22:35.54 | Ktron | Eredar, Lhoof, Zul'jin |
| 22:36.21 | cladhaire | I'm lucky enough to have another modder in my guild.. Satrina and I ended up in the same guild on Stormrage =) so its fun |
| 22:36.31 | Malivil | by chance? |
| 22:36.43 | Malivil | I'm the only programmer in my guild, and i'm a novice at best |
| 22:38.04 | Cair|afk | I can log in shortly Bela |
| 22:43.59 | Tain | I have my 60 Alliance Rogue on Stormrage, but haven't logged him in in probably a couple of months now. |
| 22:45.23 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 22:45.25 | cladhaire | whats his name? |
| 22:45.33 | Tain | ... |
| 22:45.37 | Tain | I know this one. |
| 22:45.44 | Malivil | o.o |
| 22:45.59 | Tain | uh |
| 22:46.02 | MoonWolf | lol |
| 22:46.03 | Tain | Filch! |
| 22:46.04 | Tain | That's it. |
| 22:46.07 | cladhaire | haha |
| 22:46.08 | MoonWolf | i know all my char names. |
| 22:46.12 | Malivil | Me too |
| 22:46.25 | MoonWolf | not hard with 4 chars and 2 mules. but hey. |
| 22:46.38 | Tain | You'd think I'd remember one I got to 60. |
| 22:46.41 | Malivil | i have 2 chars over 45 |
| 22:46.48 | Malivil | the other ones are mules and bordum chars |
| 22:46.53 | Malivil | and thats only 3 others |
| 22:47.00 | Malivil | that i never play |
| 22:47.02 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=Matt@ip70-177-40-169.br.br.cox.net) |
| 22:47.08 | Malivil | Hey Tem |
| 22:47.11 | Malivil | OH, BTW |
| 22:47.15 | Tain | But I have like 4 characters I've played randomly as alts recently, not to mention the six or so I made in City of Villians. |
| 22:47.20 | Malivil | To anyone that helped me with my mod, like... directly |
| 22:47.28 | Malivil | I gave you credit in my changelog |
| 22:47.36 | Tem | oh cool |
| 22:47.38 | Tem | thanks |
| 22:47.41 | Tain | Thanks, Malivil! Was glad to help! |
| 22:47.42 | Malivil | Np |
| 22:47.42 | Tain | :D |
| 22:47.47 | Malivil | =-) |
| 22:47.50 | Tain | What's your mod? |
| 22:48.23 | Malivil | AimedShot Alert |
| 22:49.07 | MoonWolf | Right, i might use that the moment i actually have a hunter. |
| 22:49.16 | Malivil | Really? |
| 22:49.31 | Malivil | I don't play my hunter any more |
| 22:49.32 | MoonWolf | if i ever roll a hunter |
| 22:49.35 | Malivil | But i tested it on him |
| 22:49.46 | MoonWolf | chance for that 1 in 1000000 |
| 22:49.48 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Vallerius (n=me@64-110-246-145.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) |
| 22:49.50 | Malivil | haha |
| 22:49.55 | Malivil | Then there is at least that 1 chance |
| 22:50.05 | Beladona|Drake | bah |
| 22:50.16 | Malivil | o.O? |
| 22:50.24 | Malivil | oo |
| 22:50.28 | Beladona|DrakaHo | damn character limit |
| 22:50.43 | Malivil | you could do |
| 22:50.47 | Malivil | Bela|DrakaHorde |
| 22:50.50 | Plorkyeran | http://www.krak.net/~bacon/wow/eranikus2.jpg |
| 22:50.54 | Beladona|DrakaHo | was just typing that lol |
| 22:51.04 | Tain | I rolled one hunter. |
| 22:51.08 | Malivil | haha |
| 22:51.09 | Tain | His name is Huntain. |
| 22:51.49 | Iriel | Aren't we supposed to be on alliance today, being an odd number and all? |
| 22:52.03 | Tain | Oh my bad. |
| 22:52.05 | Tain | I went to work instead. |
| 22:52.05 | Bela|DrakaHorde | news to me |
| 22:52.08 | Cair | we can be on whatever we want |
| 22:52.08 | Malivil | Uhoh Bela, you're going against hte grain! |
| 22:52.09 | Bela|DrakaHorde | but I can switch |
| 22:52.13 | Cair | it was just a suggestion |
| 22:52.20 | Iriel | I really dont care, it was Cair's suggestion 8-) |
| 22:52.28 | Bela|DrakaHorde | I am having fun on my shaman tho |
| 22:52.31 | Cair | It was a *suggestion*, that's all :) |
| 22:52.32 | Bela|DrakaHorde | =P |
| 22:52.34 | Cair | so, stay there :) |
| 22:52.36 | Malivil | =-P |
| 22:52.46 | Malivil | If i wasn't so intent on getting my rogue to 60, id join you guys |
| 22:52.55 | Bela|DrakaHorde | no preference. Log in, and I will go where you are |
| 22:53.01 | Bela|DrakaHorde | its boring alone |
| 22:53.19 | Cair | just trying to get some food |
| 22:53.28 | Malivil | Hmmm |
| 22:53.39 | Bela|DrakaHorde | trying? |
| 22:53.40 | Malivil | If you look at the code i based my Addon on |
| 22:53.44 | Bela|DrakaHorde | is it running? |
| 22:53.48 | Bela|DrakaHorde | beat it down |
| 22:53.51 | Malivil | And then look at my code... there are very few similarities anymore |
| 22:54.25 | Tem | lol Iriel, you're getting started early on the 1.10 thread |
| 22:54.44 | Iriel | Slouken just posted a "done for 1.10" |
| 22:54.47 | Bela|DrakaHorde | as information comes, so it shall be |
| 22:54.49 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 22:55.29 | Malivil | Wait |
| 22:55.31 | Tem | well if 1.9 is frozen |
| 22:55.33 | Malivil | Who here is Slouken? |
| 22:55.37 | Tem | I guess it's next tuesday then |
| 22:55.41 | Iriel | Slouken is slouken, when he's here |
| 22:55.46 | Malivil | oh, ok |
| 22:56.01 | Bela|DrakaHorde | has there been another test update yet? |
| 22:56.10 | Bela|DrakaHorde | since 4886 I mean |
| 22:56.15 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ToastTheif (i=ToastThe@24-177-157-200.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) |
| 22:59.49 | cladhaire | we're horde today? |
| 22:59.51 | cladhaire | sigh |
| 22:59.52 | cladhaire | lol |
| 23:00.04 | Bela|DrakaHorde | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:00.11 | Kolth | Horde every day. |
| 23:00.18 | Cair | we're whoever the hell we feel like being |
| 23:00.22 | cladhaire | =) |
| 23:00.35 | cladhaire | Logging on clad |
| 23:00.37 | krka | I am slouken! And so is my wife |
| 23:00.47 | Cair | bela was first one on, and she wanted to play her shammy, sooooo ... |
| 23:00.48 | Malivil | o.O |
| 23:01.01 | Bela|DrakaHorde | Lozareth is on too |
| 23:01.03 | Bela|DrakaHorde | Horde side |
| 23:01.19 | Cair | yeah, he doesn't have (and won't) an alliance side |
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| 23:02.10 | Cair | food! |
| 23:02.15 | Cair | (sorta) |
| 23:02.25 | cladhaire | oh i need to get food |
| 23:02.40 | Iriel | I just got done eating lunch (Pizza) |
| 23:02.55 | krka | time for bed! |
| 23:02.56 | cladhaire | mmm.. sounds delivious |
| 23:03.04 | cladhaire | we talk about food a LOT in this channel =) |
| 23:03.09 | Cair | funny that |
| 23:03.37 | Cair | so, Natasem__ are you actually here or what? |
| 23:04.50 | Cair | hey cladhaire, speaking of your partner in crime, and noticing that he's busy updating all his mods at WoWI right now ... tell him to get his lazy ass into channel |
| 23:05.01 | cladhaire | k k =) |
| 23:05.16 | Cair | (Satrina) |
| 23:05.27 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 23:05.45 | Natasem | ya just poppin in for a second, whats up cair |
| 23:06.26 | cladhaire | Cair: He's updating his mods cause today he uploaded old code as "new release" =) |
| 23:06.59 | Malivil | ouch |
| 23:07.05 | ForgottenLords | Poll: why thinks the default wow Whisper system is well done? |
| 23:07.10 | ForgottenLords | *who* |
| 23:07.16 | Cair | that's it, Bela, please note, Natasem is no longer welcome in this channel |
| 23:07.22 | Cair | he logs in, kick him |
| 23:07.39 | Malivil | Why...? |
| 23:07.40 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Natasem__ (n=Natasem@63.197.112.216) |
| 23:07.44 | *** kick/#wowi-lounge [Natasem!n=Cairenn@CPE001217452e29-CM014500004571.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] by Cair (Cair) |
| 23:07.45 | *** join/#wowi-lounge shouryuu (n=nicolass@25.239.97-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 23:07.51 | shouryuu | rawr |
| 23:07.53 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Natasem (n=Natasem@63.197.112.216) |
| 23:07.57 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 23:07.58 | *** kick/#wowi-lounge [Natasem!n=Cairenn@CPE001217452e29-CM014500004571.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] by Cair (Cair) |
| 23:08.03 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Natasem (n=Natasem@63.197.112.216) |
| 23:08.04 | cladhaire | Satrina: You can tell Cair I am downloading mIRC while I fuss anyway |
| 23:08.12 | Cair | cladhaire: cool |
| 23:08.40 | Natasem | cair can't handle someone haveing their own mind and that doesn't bow down to her |
| 23:08.44 | Cair | Natasem: get the hint, if you want to argue with me like that again, you will *not* be welcome in this channel any longer |
| 23:09.14 | Natasem | i will argue with who ever i feel like it's called freadom of speech |
| 23:09.15 | Iriel | Cair handles that just fine, i dont know what the hell you two were doing but please do it somewhere else. |
| 23:09.16 | Cair | NO one appreciated the way you behaved yesterday |
| 23:09.29 | Natasem | and how is that cair |
| 23:09.36 | Natasem | i wan't even on yesterday |
| 23:09.58 | Cair | let me guess it was your brother? |
| 23:10.01 | Natasem | hell i was about 300 miles from anything electrical |
| 23:10.24 | Natasem | my brother is floating off the coast of Kawaaitt |
| 23:10.32 | *** kick/#WoWI-lounge [Natasem!n=Beladona@115-60.124-70.tampabay.res.rr.com] by Bela|DrakaHorde (I don't really care) |
| 23:10.34 | Kolth | Kuwait? |
| 23:10.42 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Natasem (n=Natasem@63.197.112.216) |
| 23:10.51 | Natasem | wow the maturity of this room |
| 23:11.08 | Iriel | All of you, chill, please. |
| 23:11.08 | Cair | who here remembers the fiasco from yesterday involving Natasem? |
| 23:11.11 | Bela|DrakaHorde | use respect, otherwise use absence |
| 23:11.21 | Natasem | how did i disrespect? |
| 23:11.28 | Iriel | What happened yesterday Cair? |
| 23:11.37 | Natasem | i would like to know to cair |
| 23:12.19 | Natasem | give me link to webpage too |
| 23:12.19 | kergoth | ~logs |
| 23:12.21 | purl | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly" |
| 23:12.23 | Natasem | i would like to see what i supposidly did |
| 23:12.35 | Natasem | even thopugh i wan't near anything electrical yesterday |
| 23:13.15 | Natasem | i got proof i have orders showing that i was up in the hills doing some training |
| 23:13.23 | Bela|DrakaHorde | look. I don't really care who did what, what drug they were under the influence of, and how often it happens. If I am here, and someone acts like a total tard, expecially to Cair, I hit the kick button. |
| 23:13.51 | Natasem | even if the person didn't do anything wrong... humm very once sided if you ask me |
| 23:14.01 | kergoth | good thing we didnt ask you, isnt it? |
| 23:14.13 | Bela|DrakaHorde | I am going by your behavior in this channel at this very moment |
| 23:14.16 | Natasem | so basicly cair couls say that beladona (you) did something then it must be true |
| 23:14.21 | Bela|DrakaHorde | I have no clue what happened yesterday |
| 23:14.37 | kergoth | logs dont lie, nat. spout whatever nonsense you like |
| 23:14.40 | Natasem | ya cuz i been kicked what 6 times for no reason and told not to argue with someone who i didn't argue with inthe first place... |
| 23:14.44 | Cair | I am willing to allow Natasem to have an opportunity to explain yesterday |
| 23:14.54 | Natasem | i wasn't fucking hear yesterday |
| 23:15.08 | Cair | well, *someone* was, using your nick |
| 23:15.18 | Iriel | Cair - wwhat time in the log? |
| 23:15.28 | Cair | ~logs |
| 23:15.29 | purl | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly" |
| 23:15.29 | Natasem | you want me to scan my fucking orders (yes us army) showing that i wasn't here and i was doing some traing in NTC |
| 23:15.31 | Iriel | I only see Natasem say 3 things yesterday, but maybe i'm reading it wrong |
| 23:16.09 | Cair | okay, hang on a sec guys, please? |
| 23:16.12 | Kolth | Iriel: I can confirm your findings :P |
| 23:16.32 | shouryuu | rawr! |
| 23:16.39 | Kolth | That's the spirit! |
| 23:17.03 | kergoth | mm, pie |
| 23:17.19 | pagefault | i've got the breath status bar stuck on my screen |
| 23:17.20 | pagefault | hehe |
| 23:17.27 | Natasem | Not Found |
| 23:17.28 | Natasem | The requested URL /WoWI-lounge was not found on this server. |
| 23:17.37 | Iriel | It's %23wowi-lounge |
| 23:17.41 | Ktron | purl, serve refreshments |
| 23:17.43 | purl | ACTION hastens to serve refreshments to everyone. |
| 23:17.46 | cladhaire | ~botsnack |
| 23:17.46 | purl | cladhaire: :) |
| 23:17.55 | kergoth | Natasem: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowi-lounge/ |
| 23:17.56 | cladhaire | ~emulate me |
| 23:17.58 | purl | Good code is something to appreciate like a work of art. |
| 23:18.17 | cladhaire | I want to know who put that in there =) I went to change it last night, and it yelled at me |
| 23:18.31 | kergoth | ~factinfo emulate cladhaire |
| 23:18.31 | purl | emulate cladhaire -- last modified 18h 21m 55s ago by cladhaire!n=jnwhiteh@cpe-24-59-51-225.twcny.res.rr.com; it has been requested 2 times, last by cladhaire, 33s ago. |
| 23:18.35 | kergoth | :P |
| 23:18.37 | Bela|DrakaHorde | I have full logs from yesterday |
| 23:18.38 | kergoth | couldve done that |
| 23:18.41 | Bela|DrakaHorde | (trillian) |
| 23:18.46 | cladhaire | damn.. that was the command |
| 23:18.49 | Bela|DrakaHorde | in timeline format, checking it now |
| 23:19.08 | malreth | i'm not seeing anything from yesterday. what's the drama again? |
| 23:19.12 | Ktron | I wasn't online at all yesterday, heh |
| 23:19.30 | Bela|DrakaHorde | something about nude Undead? |
| 23:20.58 | Natasem | i see my named logged in to irc, no it wasn't me, i use Firefox's chatzilla, anyone can log in to here, but needless to say i dont' see a dam thing that would be grounds to kick me multi times and accuse me of argueing |
| 23:21.25 | Ktron | Natasem: is 'natasem' registered? |
| 23:21.35 | Bela|DrakaHorde | whoever was using your nick, argued with Cair about NSFW warnings when you posted your link to the nude WOW characters |
| 23:22.07 | Iriel | Ktron : No, natasem is not registered |
| 23:22.10 | Natasem | yes but i also have it on auto preform /msg NickServ IDENTIFY |
| 23:22.21 | Bela|DrakaHorde | and you WERE using Chatzilla |
| 23:22.23 | kergoth | Iriel: uh? |
| 23:22.24 | Bela|DrakaHorde | at that time |
| 23:22.25 | kergoth | <kergoth> info natasem |
| 23:22.25 | kergoth | -NickServ- + Nickname: Natasem |
| 23:22.25 | kergoth | -NickServ- + Registered: 4 days (19h 13m 1s) ago |
| 23:22.38 | kergoth | looks registered to me |
| 23:22.45 | Natasem | yes i have used chatzilla since the 0.35 days |
| 23:22.56 | Iriel | Hm, why does /whois natasem say otherwise? |
| 23:23.14 | Bela|DrakaHorde | it doesn't really matter. The point is, someone was using your computer yesterday, and was very rude |
| 23:23.25 | Bela|DrakaHorde | please take steps to prevent that person from having access |
| 23:23.28 | Natasem | ya this is a work computer |
| 23:23.32 | Bela|DrakaHorde | and don't be rude if it was you |
| 23:23.51 | Natasem | how many times do i have to freakin say it |
| 23:23.52 | Bela|DrakaHorde | either way lets drop it |
| 23:23.53 | Iriel | Iwould suggest you take the auto-login out, and change your password |
| 23:23.54 | kergoth | Iriel: because he probably hasnt _identified_ |
| 23:24.03 | kergoth | the nick is reg'd |
| 23:24.12 | Cair | Okay, let's solve this real easy |
| 23:24.22 | Cair | Natasem: if it wasn't actually you, I apologize |
| 23:24.31 | Natasem | apology accepted |
| 23:24.32 | Cair | I shouldn't have kicked you repeatedly |
| 23:24.36 | Cair | HOWEVER |
| 23:24.48 | Cair | *someone*, using *your* nick, posted a NSFW link |
| 23:25.01 | Cair | when asked to kindly in the future remember to use the NSFW tag |
| 23:25.16 | Cair | that was all it was about, a request to use the tag, as it hadn't been |
| 23:25.27 | Natasem | as i stated above i use chatzilla a plug in for the browser called firefox in chat zilla it has an auto-preform feature that i put in /msg NickServ IDENTIFY (and my PW) |
| 23:25.33 | Cair | said person decided to be *exceptionally* rude, not only to myself but to everyone in channel |
| 23:25.45 | cladhaire | Natasem: You should remove that feature, is what people are saying. |
| 23:25.59 | Cair | and *that* is why I was upset today |
| 23:25.59 | Ktron | Or find some other way to prevent this |
| 23:26.04 | Bela|DrakaHorde | Natasem, easy solution. Take out the auto-register, and type it manually from now on. I would also change your password |
| 23:26.14 | Natasem | people is plurl meaning more than one only one person said remove it and after they told me i should i have |
| 23:26.15 | Bela|DrakaHorde | as I believe Iriel suggested |
| 23:26.51 | Cair | anyway, I will take you at your word that it was not in fact you, I apologize |
| 23:27.04 | Cair | and I apologize to the rest of the channel in general for the drama |
| 23:28.36 | Depherios | lol |
| 23:28.47 | shouryuu | does anyone know how you can create a divide function using only addition and substractions? |
| 23:28.52 | Depherios | So, anybody here heard of Express Cards for laptops? |
| 23:29.03 | shouryuu | not I |
| 23:29.08 | Iriel | shouryuu : yes, but I refuse to answer on basic principles |
| 23:29.11 | Depherios | or rather "notebooks" |
| 23:29.25 | shouryuu | ok cool |
| 23:29.32 | shouryuu | I'll find out for myself then :P |
| 23:29.36 | Anduin|Comatose | google |
| 23:29.40 | shouryuu | I just always though it was impossible |
| 23:29.51 | Bela|DrakaHorde | some laptops allow interchangeable graphics cards. Current laptops employ a form of PCIe |
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| 23:30.14 | Depherios | ...Express Cards are the new form of PC Card using PCI Express BUS technology |
| 23:30.20 | Depherios | ... I hadn't heard of it until today |
| 23:30.22 | Bela|DrakaHorde | right... |
| 23:30.28 | Depherios | ... when I went to go stick a PC Card into my mom's new laptop |
| 23:30.39 | Bela|DrakaHorde | and had the wrong kind? |
| 23:30.40 | Depherios | much to my surprise |
| 23:30.43 | Bela|DrakaHorde | lol |
| 23:30.45 | Depherios | lol, yeah |
| 23:30.47 | cladhaire | WB Anduin |
| 23:30.57 | Depherios | not that it matters... it was just weird, I guess they're really new |
| 23:31.08 | Bela|DrakaHorde | not really |
| 23:31.14 | Depherios | funnier yet, my mom doesn't want me putting in a mini PCI card (doesn't want me opening it) |
| 23:31.25 | Depherios | so I tried to find a wifi card for it... |
| 23:31.29 | Depherios | nobody makes them yet |
| 23:31.56 | Depherios | so I call dell tech support (mom's laptop is a dell) and the techie's hadn't even heard of the card either |
| 23:32.00 | AnduinLothar | isn't express what Apple G5's have been using? |
| 23:32.13 | Bela|DrakaHorde | Depherios, this is a laptop? |
| 23:32.18 | Depherios | yes |
| 23:32.19 | AnduinLothar | thx clad |
| 23:32.20 | Depherios | not PCI Express |
| 23:32.24 | Depherios | Express Card |
| 23:32.34 | AnduinLothar | oh.. how is that different |
| 23:32.45 | Depherios | http://www.expresscard.org/web/site/ |
| 23:32.46 | shouryuu | ok I'm an idiot, the division is easy :p |
| 23:33.22 | AnduinLothar | "Supports USB 2.0 and PCI Express Applications" ? |
| 23:33.30 | Bela|DrakaHorde | they make wifi cards that plug into usb |
| 23:33.35 | Bela|DrakaHorde | should look into that |
| 23:34.37 | AnduinLothar | so it's a 'new' form of laptop i/o conversion or a new card type? and how is that different from what they have now? |
| 23:35.39 | AnduinLothar | it's smaller it seems |
| 23:35.56 | AnduinLothar | 3/5 as wide |
| 23:36.03 | AnduinLothar | is that the only difference? |
| 23:36.10 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Satrina (n=satrina@MTL-HSE-ppp173507.qc.sympatico.ca) |
| 23:36.17 | Satrina | woot |
| 23:36.48 | *** join/#wowi-lounge phil_ (n=phil@59.167.154.171) |
| 23:36.51 | Cair | hey hey Satrina! |
| 23:36.54 | AnduinLothar | looks like it. wonder if that means we'll be seeing 2 express slots on some laptops |
| 23:37.06 | AnduinLothar | that'd eb nifty |
| 23:37.19 | Cair | if you haven't already /msg nickserv register <password> |
| 23:37.44 | Bela|DrakaHorde | I keep getting disconnected from the server immediately upon login |
| 23:37.48 | Bela|DrakaHorde | ........... |
| 23:38.02 | Iriel | Bela : That kept happening to me yesterday |
| 23:38.10 | Iriel | I edited my config.wtf and removed the realm line |
| 23:38.16 | Bela|DrakaHorde | trying now |
| 23:38.18 | Iriel | and then logged in via the realm select list and it worked |
| 23:38.23 | AnduinLothar | iriel, did you guys come up with any final optimized version of Sea.util.split or was it just dropped after i left? |
| 23:38.32 | Bela|DrakaHorde | sounds like a client bug |
| 23:38.41 | cladhaire | Heyas Sat |
| 23:38.42 | Depherios | yup, a new tiny card |
| 23:38.45 | Depherios | it's a great format |
| 23:38.55 | Iriel | We carried on for a bit, but couldn't come up with a GENERALLY better solution |
| 23:38.58 | Depherios | it's just not so funny when I go to put a PC Card into it XD |
| 23:39.03 | Depherios | and call dell |
| 23:39.08 | Depherios | and they haven't heard of it either |
| 23:39.10 | Iriel | However, I do have 2 optimization for you |
| 23:39.19 | AnduinLothar | which general cases were holding you back? |
| 23:39.24 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : (1) put the pattern creation into a local variable |
| 23:39.40 | AnduinLothar | oh duh, ok |
| 23:39.51 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : (2) bind string.find, etc, into local variables: local sfind = string.find, etc |
| 23:40.07 | AnduinLothar | dont they already have wow globals strfind? |
| 23:40.21 | malreth | that would be a global |
| 23:40.24 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : basically krka's implementation is faster when there are few replacements, and Sea's is faster for long multi-replacements |
| 23:40.29 | Iriel | the key word was 'local' |
| 23:40.48 | AnduinLothar | right right, jsut wondering. strfind would still eb faster than string.find |
| 23:40.58 | Iriel | Yes, it would |
| 23:41.05 | Iriel | but local strfind = strfind would be even faster |
| 23:41.11 | AnduinLothar | kk |
| 23:41.15 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Guillotine (n=Guilloti@63.203.120.57) |
| 23:41.25 | AnduinLothar | tinsert as well prolly |
| 23:41.31 | Bela|DrakaHorde | ok this isn't funny |
| 23:41.53 | cladhaire | Bela: slouken's on to you =) |
| 23:42.23 | AnduinLothar | can i do local tinsert = tinsert; ? |
| 23:42.24 | shouryuu | Man no one like my poem |
| 23:42.33 | Iriel | AnduinLothar : Yes |
| 23:42.34 | Guillotine | omg! slouken actually has an avatar!!!!! |
| 23:42.36 | AnduinLothar | kk |
| 23:42.37 | shouryuu | lol |
| 23:42.39 | Bela|DrakaHorde | I can't even get to the character select to change server |
| 23:43.03 | Iriel | Bela : Did you remove the set realmName="Draka" from your config.wtf? |
| 23:43.04 | Guillotine | Bela, why are you on horde? today is alliance day (the 7) |
| 23:43.06 | shouryuu | maybe Poe is a bad thing for me |
| 23:43.15 | Bela|DrakaHorde | it wasn't in there |
| 23:43.24 | Iriel | i bet it was, just hiding |
| 23:43.32 | Iriel | took me ages to find it, near the middle somewhere |
| 23:43.40 | Bela|DrakaHorde | or maybe I am just blind |
| 23:43.42 | Bela|DrakaHorde | now I see it |
| 23:44.33 | AnduinLothar | so, is there any merit to his sugegstion to disable regex using the 4th param boolean? |
| 23:44.54 | Bela|DrakaHorde | uhh |
| 23:45.04 | Bela|DrakaHorde | ok it let me select server this time, but then when I selected Draka it died |
| 23:45.29 | Bela|DrakaHorde | gonna try another server |
| 23:45.36 | Iriel | AnduinLothar ; No, because you have to re-write the whole loop then |
| 23:45.46 | AnduinLothar | kk |
| 23:46.17 | AnduinLothar | should i do the table.getn in a local before th for loop initialization or does it not matter? |
| 23:46.33 | AnduinLothar | for i = table.getn(t)+1, oldn do |
| 23:46.33 | AnduinLothar | t[i] = nil; |
| 23:46.33 | AnduinLothar | end |
| 23:46.36 | Iriel | do you call it more than once? |
| 23:46.43 | AnduinLothar | just in initialization |
| 23:46.53 | Iriel | you call it earlier too, dont you? |
| 23:47.00 | AnduinLothar | once |
| 23:47.07 | AnduinLothar | oldn = table.getn(t); |
| 23:47.08 | AnduinLothar | table.setn(t, 0); |
| 23:47.28 | Iriel | so in total twice, so if you want to be super tidy, you would make a local copy |
| 23:47.38 | shouryuu | night people |
| 23:47.55 | AnduinLothar | wouldn't setting it to a local take just as much time as finding it in cached memory? |
| 23:48.10 | Iriel | setting it to a local takes as much time as looking it up |
| 23:48.12 | Iriel | once |
| 23:48.40 | AnduinLothar | so is two lookups slower than a lookup and two local lookups? |
| 23:48.44 | Iriel | there's likely a small overhead in puttingsomething in a local versus immediate direct use, but I haven't studied the pseudocode |
| 23:48.52 | Iriel | yes, remember, locals aren't lookups at runtime |
| 23:49.04 | Iriel | they're instantaneous |
| 23:49.20 | AnduinLothar | right, but theorheticly shouldn't the lookup be cached? |
| 23:49.29 | Iriel | how could it be? |
| 23:49.37 | Cair | Bela|DrakaHorde: I was able to log in to Draka just fine, just now |
| 23:49.45 | Iriel | For all it knows, string.find could change the definition of table.getn |
| 23:49.53 | AnduinLothar | guess it depends on how the compiler is implimented |
| 23:50.05 | Iriel | you get what you ask for, which is how all compilers should work 8-) |
| 23:50.15 | AnduinLothar | mmk |
| 23:50.32 | AnduinLothar | so i have to cache it myself with a local |
| 23:50.43 | Iriel | yes, but I have a feeling that there IS no difference between: |
| 23:50.53 | Iriel | local getn = table.getn; x=getn(tableName) |
| 23:50.54 | Iriel | and |
| 23:51.00 | Iriel | x=table.getn(tableName) |
| 23:51.11 | AnduinLothar | prolly not |
| 23:51.23 | Bela|DrakaHorde | Cair: running a repair, it happens to me on all servers |
| 23:51.29 | AnduinLothar | so it would only be faster if no table is passed |
| 23:51.31 | Cair | weird |
| 23:51.40 | AnduinLothar | which is the only time it's called twice |
| 23:51.45 | Bela|DrakaHorde | and I already deleted my WTF, WDB, and ADDONS so I know that isn't it |
| 23:51.48 | Iriel | except that in the first case, there's a name by which you can refer to the register the resolved value went in |
| 23:52.01 | Iriel | Yes, that's correct. |
| 23:52.32 | AnduinLothar | ok. so I'll assign it, tho it will only make a difference 50% of the time |
| 23:53.00 | AnduinLothar | does wow have a tgetn ? |
| 23:54.47 | Iriel | i dont believe so |
| 23:54.53 | cladhaire | Iriel: you can just compile it to bytecode and see what it gets ya |
| 23:55.04 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 23:55.08 | cladhaire | luac -l -p |
| 23:55.14 | Iriel | tinsert etc are only there for compatibility with pre-5.0 lua, and I dont think that HAD getn/setn |
| 23:55.28 | Iriel | cladhaire : Yeah, I wasn't sure I wanted to make the effort 8-) |
| 23:55.32 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 23:56.19 | AnduinLothar | so, make two files, one with a getn and one with it assigned to a local and see which has longer bitcode? |
| 23:56.33 | cladhaire | you could just make it one file, two functinos |
| 23:56.34 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 23:56.52 | AnduinLothar | never used that feature, does it spit out byte code for each function? |
| 23:56.57 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 23:56.57 | Iriel | it's one more operation |
