| 00:09.56 | futrtrubl | ok Cair, BEB is now ready to be put on your site, what catagory would an experience bar mod go in? General GUI mods? |
| 00:10.19 | Cair | bar mods |
| 00:10.24 | futrtrubl | ok |
| 00:10.25 | Cair | a bar is a bar is a bar |
| 00:10.43 | futrtrubl | true, but others have different defs of a bar ;'] |
| 00:10.55 | Cair | true |
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| 00:20.04 | Amicester | Bars in terms of WoW UI to me is an action button mod, but I'd have to read the other categories at the same time to decide the context its used on wowi. |
| 00:20.51 | Amicester | I can em buttons or panels but other people seem to call them action bars. |
| 00:21.02 | Amicester | -can +call |
| 00:31.16 | kergoth | damnit firefox, compile faster |
| 00:32.49 | Codayus | Does yelling at it make it go faster? |
| 00:34.06 | kergoth | if only |
| 00:34.07 | kergoth | had tot ry |
| 00:34.12 | Codayus | Sounds like novel strategy... |
| 00:34.26 | krem`bwl | why are you compiling firefox =O |
| 00:34.32 | kergoth | maybe i should try being nicer to it |
| 00:34.49 | kergoth | because the prebuilt firefox 1.5-rc3 for linux crashes and burns in ubuntu x86_64 |
| 00:34.56 | kergoth | doing an x86_64 build |
| 00:34.57 | krem`bwl | pshhh boooom |
| 00:37.13 | krem`bwl | linux hates me |
| 00:37.32 | krem`bwl | my linux hdd isnt even plugged in right now and its hot |
| 00:40.40 | kergoth | hey, the firefox build finished |
| 00:40.43 | kergoth | maybe it worked after all ;) |
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| 01:20.00 | Cair | quiet tonight |
| 01:22.36 | rallion | zzz... |
| 01:23.35 | Cair | yeah, apparently so |
| 01:23.44 | kremonte | =O |
| 01:24.45 | kremonte | im thinking, maybe it's possible using OnUpdate and time(); to make a pseudo-delay system |
| 01:25.17 | kremonte | feasible? |
| 01:25.36 | Cair | hope you aren't asking me ... |
| 01:26.31 | kremonte | :O |
| 01:26.36 | kremonte | why not? |
| 01:26.52 | Cair | i r not smrt |
| 01:27.09 | kremonte | do you know how confused i got yesterday when they were talking about scoping or some hoohaa like that? :) |
| 01:27.11 | kremonte | :(* |
| 01:28.31 | Cair | I've never gotten the hang of the coding in WoW. Every now and then I try to take a stab at it, but I always end up giving up after a while of banging my head on my desk. I'm not a programmer, have never claimed to be, and I just can't get this stuff through my brain. |
| 01:28.58 | Cair | meh, no big deal |
| 01:29.08 | kremonte | but you run wowi! |
| 01:29.09 | kremonte | =O |
| 01:29.14 | Cair | yeah? so? |
| 01:29.22 | kremonte | so..! |
| 01:30.29 | Cair | So what? You don't need to be a programmer to run a fan site. You don't need to be a programmer to remember things you've seen various places and be able to point people to those things. You don't need to be a programmer to do a lot of the stuff I do |
| 01:31.17 | Cair | Anyone can do what I do, it's not like I'm anything special |
| 01:41.10 | Codayus | Lies! |
| 01:41.23 | Codayus | Cair is special. :-) |
| 01:41.35 | Cair | short bus special? :p |
| 01:41.38 | Codayus | Now, being a coder...that's not anything special. :-) |
| 01:41.43 | kremonte | agreed Codayus :P |
| 01:47.09 | kremonte | hmm, i dont know if checking for time(); onUpdate for a pseudo delay would kill my performance |
| 01:47.13 | kremonte | and i'm too newbish to check |
| 01:47.16 | futrtrubl | Cair is awesome, that alone makes her special |
| 01:47.34 | futrtrubl | and hot |
| 01:49.33 | rallion | I know awesome people that are NOT hot. |
| 01:53.45 | kremonte | yeesh, ive downed ragnaros a dozen times, downed bosses in BWL, but i'm not even keyed for onyxia >< |
| 01:54.29 | Codayus | kremonte: Got your UBRS key? |
| 02:07.56 | kremonte | sorry, doing AB, no i dont :D |
| 02:09.10 | Codayus | Oh well, that's not THAT bad then. :-) |
| 02:12.09 | kremonte | the only keys i have are for strat dead and BRD |
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| 02:15.53 | Codayus | Heh |
| 02:17.24 | id` | is there something that returns the current xp/max xp/needed xp/rested xp? |
| 02:18.20 | kremonte | well i know of UnitXP(unit) UnitXPMax(unit) |
| 02:18.28 | kremonte | needed xp is unitxpmax()-unitxp()... |
| 02:19.30 | kremonte | try looking at WoWWiki |
| 02:19.37 | id` | k gunna make a little macro |
| 02:19.41 | id` | who needs xp bars :> |
| 02:26.23 | id` | tis not on wowi |
| 02:29.01 | Codayus | id`: Huh? |
| 02:35.14 | id` | nm i suck |
| 02:46.16 | Kiliek | anyone know if you can cancel stoneform after casting it |
| 02:46.18 | Kiliek | with a macro |
| 02:51.17 | Osagasu | [8:41pm] <Codayus> Now, being a coder...that's not anything special. :-) <--only when you're in a community where 95% of the participants are coders. :P |
| 02:52.34 | Codayus | Well, true, but why would you want to hang out anywhere else? :-D |
| 02:52.43 | Kiliek | (i suppose that can be generaqlized cancel a buff after casting it) |
| 02:56.16 | cladhaire | away |
| 02:56.17 | cladhaire | Evening all |
| 02:56.30 | Cair | wb cladhaire |
| 02:58.41 | cladhaire | So do I play WoW... code.. or go to sleep? |
| 02:59.50 | kergoth | ~unproductivity |
| 02:59.52 | purl | yay! |
| 02:59.54 | kergoth | ~sleep |
| 02:59.55 | purl | it has been said that sleep is overrated, and a poor substitute for caffeine. |
| 03:00.00 | kergoth | there's your answer ;) |
| 03:00.10 | Cair | ~sex |
| 03:00.11 | purl | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep, or super extractor, http://sf.net/projects/sex/ |
| 03:00.19 | Cair | *there* is your answer |
| 03:00.20 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:00.33 | cladhaire | I cannot have sex this evening.. unless I have it by myself.. |
| 03:00.41 | cladhaire | tomorrow will be different =) |
| 03:07.06 | cladhaire | (and then it got weird) |
| 03:07.47 | rallion | yes. it did. |
| 03:07.50 | cladhaire | The new preview for 1.9 looks amazing.. the writing is reallyw ell done. |
| 03:07.56 | rallion | oh, yeah |
| 03:08.01 | rallion | I was impressed |
| 03:09.36 | cladhaire | lots of lore revelead |
| 03:09.44 | cladhaire | <-- lore buff (i try to be) |
| 03:10.20 | Amicester | And a real live example of how Staghelm is a jackass. |
| 03:10.31 | Amicester | Not like we all didn't already know that. |
| 03:10.37 | cladhaire | true.. |
| 03:10.52 | cladhaire | the heir to the dragonflight are relatively important |
| 03:11.02 | Amicester | I remember when they did a big rp thing on Feathermoon and Low Red Moon came and killed him and the Alliance people stood around and watched and applauded, haha. It was entertaining. |
| 03:11.36 | Amicester | Thats the same Staghelm right? |
| 03:11.44 | Amicester | Arch Jackass Staghelm? |
| 03:11.53 | rallion | yeah |
| 03:12.01 | Amicester | "Get out of my tree." |
| 03:12.03 | rallion | and I still don't feel bad for him |
| 03:12.03 | Amicester | =P |
| 03:12.07 | rallion | he's still a jackass |
| 03:12.41 | Amicester | But good stories always have to have that role or it'd be bland. |
| 03:14.07 | Amicester | Slouken mentioned something about setting frame levels in 1.9 does anyone recall exactly what thats pertaining to? |
| 03:14.16 | cladhaire | set them once |
| 03:14.18 | cladhaire | preferably in teh XML |
| 03:14.21 | cladhaire | and dont ever change them. |
| 03:14.28 | Amicester | Ah. |
| 03:14.30 | cladhaire | and don't change the strata of WorldFrame or UIParent |
| 03:14.43 | Amicester | this:SetFrameLevel(this:GetFrameLevel() - 1); |
| 03:14.44 | Amicester | in an onload kinda thing? |
| 03:15.04 | Amicester | thats what i use now usually. |
| 03:15.18 | Amicester | Just to move it one down from where it is on load. |
| 03:15.20 | cladhaire | framelevels are different than strata.. levels you can change.. but there's not typically reasons since a bunch a patches ago |
| 03:16.05 | Amicester | Hm. |
| 03:16.22 | Amicester | So he wasn't talking about frame levels? |
| 03:16.33 | cladhaire | nope.. just strata |
| 03:17.26 | Amicester | okay. |
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| 03:41.46 | Stylpe | Gah, why won't purl answer my pms? =( |
| 03:41.59 | Stylpe | Does anyone know if she can convert currency? |
| 03:42.26 | cladhaire | just google it |
| 03:42.36 | Stylpe | I've tried that before |
| 03:42.54 | Stylpe | Oh, you mean the currency =P |
| 03:43.28 | cladhaire | 100 dollars in yen |
| 03:43.36 | cladhaire | 11915.0031 =) |
| 03:46.29 | Stylpe | All right, I've saved up $2,5k :D |
| 03:46.50 | cladhaire | ooh nice. |
| 03:46.55 | cladhaire | what currency are you under? |
| 03:47.05 | Stylpe | NOK Norwegian Kroner |
| 03:47.13 | Stylpe | 17k kroner |
| 03:47.39 | cladhaire | wow fun |
| 03:47.42 | Stylpe | € 2150 |
| 03:48.02 | Stylpe | £ 1480 |
| 03:48.20 | Stylpe | I could buy another projector :D |
| 03:48.28 | cladhaire | lol |
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| 04:05.05 | Damon | Anyone know how ScrollFrameTemplates work? |
| 04:05.16 | cladhaire | i can't say I do |
| 04:07.04 | Damon | well i'm getting a UI error in the UIPanelTemplates.lua |
| 04:07.12 | Damon | apparently arg1 is nil |
| 04:08.04 | Damon | And I can't find any WoW XML tutorial :P |
| 04:09.59 | cladhaire | http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/last.html |
| 04:10.34 | Damon | yeap gone through that one :) |
| 04:10.51 | Damon | i just had one of those duh moments and hit my head against a wall and figured it out :) |
| 04:11.20 | Damon | thx though |
| 04:27.07 | Damon | Ok so anyone know how ScrollFrames in XML work for the UIs? |
| 04:29.12 | Damon | :( |
| 04:29.22 | Cair | not I, sorry |
| 04:29.36 | Cair | see previous conversation about me being dumb |
| 04:30.00 | Damon | lol |
| 04:30.21 | Damon | Anyone know of some XML tutorials for WoW besides Fara's and WoWWiki? |
| 04:32.25 | Damon | well my bottom button of the scroll bar finally came back |
| 04:46.36 | Parak | hrm, anyone ever had an issue where they would get disconnected in a raid to login screen, and then be unable to login with the character that crashed until the raid moves out of the area? |
| 04:47.54 | Parak | driving me nuts :( |
| 04:50.07 | Cair | =/ |
| 05:09.12 | Codayus | Hmm, is anyone familiar with the mod TraceEvent? |
| 05:13.56 | futrtrubl | not I |
| 05:19.28 | futrtrubl | anyone got a formula for the xp you would get for killing a mod of lower lvl than yourself? |
| 05:20.00 | futrtrubl | mob* |
| 05:23.23 | Amicester | I do. |
| 05:23.30 | Amicester | Let me find it. |
| 05:23.57 | Amicester | local function JX_AvgXP_MobXP(plevel, mlevel) |
| 05:23.57 | Amicester | return (plevel * 5) + 45 + ( ( mlevel - plevel) * 17); |
| 05:23.57 | Amicester | end |
| 05:24.02 | Amicester | player level, mob level |
| 05:24.58 | Amicester | Thats pretty dated, but it should work for any solo situation. |
| 05:25.29 | Amicester | I remember running around killing mobs and writing it down and graphing it =P |
| 05:25.35 | Amicester | and then was like wow ... |
| 05:25.37 | Amicester | its completely linear. |
| 05:25.44 | Amicester | I was expecting it to be exponential. |
| 05:26.18 | Amicester | I haven't had the opportunity to test it for groups to find out what it is. |
| 05:26.25 | Amicester | And thats not including modifier. Some mobs have exp modifiers. |
| 05:26.29 | Amicester | Mainly named/elites do. |
| 05:26.30 | AnduinLothar | u should post that on the wiki |
| 05:26.40 | Amicester | I don't know the named/elites modifier. |
| 05:27.08 | Amicester | I dropped the avgxp project because ... frankly I got bored with knowing exactly everything about how I'm leveling. |
| 05:27.10 | AnduinLothar | perhaps make an addon that does the math for you and find out |
| 05:27.21 | Amicester | I hated knowing every mob kill saying "You should be killing these, this is a lower average grind" |
| 05:27.36 | Amicester | but that was the first mod I ever made. |
| 05:27.46 | Amicester | I still use it, though I haven't added anything to it. |
| 05:28.17 | Amicester | After I figured out that the gains were pretty much static. |
| 05:28.24 | Amicester | recording all the values kind of became redundant. |
| 05:29.13 | Amicester | But it was enough to spark my interest in modding! |
| 05:30.01 | Amicester | After that I realized there is a lot that ... I just don't want to know. So most of my mods exist around functionality and ease of use for myself now. I just make stuff to personal taste and try not to data mine too much. |
| 05:31.35 | Amicester | So anyway yeah there it is. |
| 05:31.47 | Amicester | Maybe I will find out the modifiers sometime, that would actually be interesting to know. |
| 05:32.05 | AnduinLothar | dont graph it by hand tho |
| 05:32.44 | Amicester | I don't have to now. |
| 05:32.53 | AnduinLothar | make an addon that stores all the data for you, grab a large enough sample and dtare at it for a while |
| 05:33.00 | Amicester | Thats what I have. |
| 05:33.05 | Amicester | AvgXP records all gain to the monster. |
| 05:33.07 | Amicester | =P |
| 05:33.25 | Amicester | it doesn't do level differences though so I'd have to add that. |
| 05:33.50 | Amicester | Its so horribly written it makes me wanna cry haha. |
| 05:34.42 | Amicester | Yeah I'd have to add stuff to the history. |
| 05:34.50 | Amicester | Like level and type |
| 05:34.51 | Amicester | if its elite or not |
| 05:35.00 | Amicester | then I could just dump that into a spreadsheet. |
| 05:36.46 | Amicester | I did it by hand back then because I had recorded it before I started tracking all monster history. It was just an overall average per kill and then how many kills to level. |
| 05:37.06 | Amicester | very basic, but again was my first mod. Then it slowly evolved adding and recording more. |
| 05:37.48 | Amicester | Good times =P |
| 05:37.53 | kremonte | i managed to type lol as "slodlwol" |
| 05:37.58 | kremonte | how the heck >< |
| 05:38.00 | Amicester | hahaha. |
| 05:38.09 | Amicester | Few extra ... syllables in there. |
| 05:38.25 | Amicester | Sap beast hits Fatbird for 34. |
| 05:38.31 | Amicester | I turn around figuring its some persons pet. |
| 05:38.33 | Amicester | and its an orc. |
| 05:38.38 | Amicester | /facepalm |
| 05:49.02 | futrtrubl | that formula for xp is not really correct |
| 05:49.34 | futrtrubl | it's spot on for mobs of your own lvl, but is off for those above or below you |
| 05:50.01 | futrtrubl | I have one for mobs higher but mobs lower seems odd |
| 05:57.09 | Amicester | It shouldn't be. |
| 05:57.15 | Amicester | What are you fighting? |
| 05:57.47 | futrtrubl | want me to send you my spreadsheet with xp/mob? |
| 05:57.59 | Amicester | You should be showing even adjustment between mobs, if you're showing them as being "odd values" then you're probably killing something with a modifier. |
| 05:58.10 | Amicester | If you fight a 25 and then a 26 |
| 05:58.13 | Amicester | the difference should be the same from 26 to 27 |
| 05:58.28 | Amicester | It seems really stupid. |
| 05:58.36 | futrtrubl | yeah, but for different player lvls there is no good progression |
| 05:58.44 | Amicester | Its entirely linear. |
| 05:59.04 | Amicester | When I was testing it anyway. |
| 05:59.17 | Amicester | Let me test it now. |
| 05:59.25 | futrtrubl | for mob lvls at a certain player lvl yes, but no linearity between player lvls with mobs of lower lvl |
| 05:59.28 | Amicester | Soon as I make myself not dead. |
| 05:59.49 | Amicester | If its not linear. |
| 05:59.53 | Amicester | Then its exponential decay. |
| 05:59.58 | Amicester | But that would result in really weird exp values. |
| 06:00.25 | futrtrubl | not even exponential |
| 06:00.36 | Amicester | If its not linear and its not exponential what it is? |
| 06:00.41 | Amicester | is it? |
| 06:00.50 | futrtrubl | unknown |
| 06:00.55 | futrtrubl | that's my problem |
| 06:02.48 | Amicester | heh I think I see the problem. |
| 06:03.23 | Amicester | One sec. |
| 06:03.27 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 06:03.45 | Amicester | Its that modifier. |
| 06:03.55 | Amicester | ( ( mlevel - plevel ) * 17 ) |
| 06:03.57 | Amicester | the 17 is variable. |
| 06:04.06 | Amicester | I don't think I ever figured that part out entirely. |
| 06:04.09 | Amicester | And thats why I never used the formula. |
| 06:04.15 | Amicester | Its even. |
| 06:04.20 | Amicester | But its differnet for each mob. |
| 06:04.27 | futrtrubl | exactly, well for mobs of lower lvl, and the modifier changes almost randomly |
| 06:05.13 | Amicester | No its not random. |
| 06:05.26 | futrtrubl | for mobs of higher lvl it's a simple % increase |
| 06:05.38 | Amicester | Try 16.333 |
| 06:05.48 | Amicester | See. |
| 06:05.54 | Amicester | You can vary the modifier. |
| 06:05.57 | Amicester | And eventually it'll match up. |
| 06:05.59 | futrtrubl | but for lower lvl... one lvl might have 16, the next will have 12 |
| 06:06.14 | Amicester | Yeah that value is not random though its static. |
| 06:06.17 | futrtrubl | I graphed the modifier in one of those graphs |
| 06:06.20 | Amicester | for the level value. |
| 06:06.39 | Amicester | It has to originate from somewhere. |
| 06:06.40 | futrtrubl | yes, but I would have to table the modifier per char lvl |
| 06:06.57 | Amicester | Only need 3 levels of values. |
| 06:07.02 | futrtrubl | that's what I'm hoping but I haven't found the source yet |
| 06:07.03 | Amicester | Thats enough to make a sequence. |
| 06:07.21 | futrtrubl | only need 2 per char lvl |
| 06:07.24 | Amicester | I'm not sure what level I was at when I figured out 17. |
| 06:07.33 | Amicester | Well you'll want a third to confirm its linear. |
| 06:07.52 | Amicester | But right now at level 27 I'm showing a 16 1/3rd |
| 06:07.59 | futrtrubl | it is, for every char lvl in that spreadsheet at least |
| 06:08.22 | futrtrubl | linear that is |
| 06:08.24 | Codayus | Hmmm |
| 06:08.33 | Amicester | Okay. |
| 06:08.36 | Codayus | Is there an event thrown when your pet's happiness level changes? |
| 06:09.37 | Amicester | UNIT_HAPPINESS |
| 06:10.14 | Codayus | Hmmm |
| 06:10.21 | Amicester | Shouldn't have to check the unit id. |
| 06:10.39 | Codayus | Okay...no info in the wiki, but it sounds about right... |
| 06:10.47 | Amicester | Yeah. |
| 06:10.50 | Amicester | I don't think it passes any values. |
| 06:11.06 | Amicester | So you'd need to : local happiness, damagePercentage, loyaltyRate = GetPetHappiness(); |
| 06:12.44 | Amicester | futrtrubl: Do you know what modifier fits your level? |
| 06:13.06 | futrtrubl | only for the lvls I have data for in the spreadsheet |
| 06:13.48 | Codayus | thanks |
| 06:14.44 | futrtrubl | sorry about the readability of the spreadsheet, didn't make it understandable for others |
| 06:15.33 | Amicester | okay which axis is what? |
| 06:15.51 | Amicester | oh nm I see. |
| 06:16.00 | futrtrubl | k |
| 06:16.15 | AnduinLothar | anyone got any idea why is would get an onload <name> expected near '(' error? |
| 06:16.45 | AnduinLothar | apparently a lua error |
| 06:16.54 | futrtrubl | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:17.02 | AnduinLothar | <name> expected near `(' |
| 06:17.48 | futrtrubl | this:GetParent()::SetText() type thing perhaps? |
| 06:18.16 | kergoth | http://www.toctastic.net/component/option,com_docman/task,cat_view/gid,30/Itemid,41/ .. hah |
| 06:18.18 | AnduinLothar | not anywhere near one |
| 06:18.25 | AnduinLothar | the nearby code is: |
| 06:18.31 | AnduinLothar | Sea.util.Hooks[hookName] = {}; |
| 06:18.32 | AnduinLothar | Sea.util.Hooks[hookName].name = hookName; |
| 06:18.32 | AnduinLothar | Sea.util.Hooks[hookName].before = {}; |
| 06:18.32 | AnduinLothar | Sea.util.Hooks[hookName].after = {}; |
| 06:18.32 | AnduinLothar | Sea.util.Hooks[hookName].hide = {}; |
| 06:18.33 | AnduinLothar | Sea.util.Hooks[hookName].replace = {}; |
| 06:18.48 | AnduinLothar | says the error's on the 'before' line |
| 06:19.27 | futrtrubl | wierd |
| 06:19.29 | AnduinLothar | O.o it's the line endings i copied from a browser page.. |
| 06:19.42 | futrtrubl | ah ;'] |
| 06:20.16 | AnduinLothar | invisible characters ftl |
| 06:20.25 | AnduinLothar | find/replace ftw |
| 06:21.03 | futrtrubl | copy/paste ftd |
| 06:26.16 | Amicester | Heh. |
| 06:26.32 | Amicester | It looks like some form of sine function. |
| 06:32.28 | futrtrubl | could be |
| 06:32.33 | futrtrubl | but a wierd one ;'] |
| 06:32.51 | Amicester | Heh. |
| 06:32.57 | Amicester | Well how you have the data plotted with partial lines. |
| 06:33.00 | Amicester | It reminds me of a sound wave. |
| 06:33.53 | futrtrubl | that could be deceptive, I shouldn't have used smoothed lines |
| 06:34.09 | Amicester | Well you can tell its not a smooth progression. |
| 06:34.28 | Amicester | There is no interlevel interpolation. |
| 06:34.45 | Amicester | But you can see how it ladder steps. |
| 06:34.58 | Amicester | The difference between the two points becoming closer and closer |
| 06:35.00 | Amicester | as they reach 60 |
| 06:35.04 | futrtrubl | yeah, I was hoping to be able the calc the xp gain for a mod via a formula, but it seems I won't be able to completely avoid a table of values |
| 06:35.11 | Amicester | its an exponential with some form of sine adjustment. |
| 06:35.26 | futrtrubl | mob* |
| 06:35.32 | Amicester | It kind of reminds me of an upside down physics plot |
| 06:35.40 | Amicester | if you removed every other value it'd look like a ball drop. |
| 06:35.41 | Amicester | heh. |
| 06:35.49 | Amicester | Because its higher, then lower, then lower then lower then lower. |
| 06:35.54 | Amicester | eventually settling. |
| 06:35.56 | Osagasu | err, nini Cair. |
| 06:36.05 | Amicester | It appears that 1-7 are nil. |
| 06:36.05 | futrtrubl | true |
| 06:36.08 | Amicester | They're not part of the standard formula. |
| 06:36.15 | Amicester | 1-10 even. |
| 06:36.20 | Amicester | Cause 1-7 climb at a steady rate |
| 06:36.37 | Amicester | and then it drops a given amount each time with a small gain every other. |
| 06:36.44 | Amicester | That amount it drops is nearly identical from 7 to 10 |
| 06:36.47 | Amicester | amd raoses |
| 06:36.50 | Amicester | er and raises |
| 06:37.00 | Amicester | Then it starts off from 11-60 |
| 06:37.04 | futrtrubl | i was hoping it was a steady climb with drops every 10 lvls, but I'm not so sure now |
| 06:37.10 | Amicester | Its really weird though. |
| 06:37.13 | Osagasu | o.O |
| 06:37.38 | Amicester | its totally reaching a limit though as it gets closer to 60. |
| 06:37.47 | Amicester | Which means there's some kind of division. |
| 06:38.08 | futrtrubl | approaching an asymptote perhaps |
| 06:38.21 | Amicester | From this, it would appear that 60 to 70 will have to be a unique case as 1 to 10 are. |
| 06:38.31 | Amicester | Right |
| 06:38.52 | Amicester | The closer it reaches 60 the closer it gets to 20. |
| 06:38.58 | Amicester | or possibly a little bit higher than 20? |
| 06:39.16 | futrtrubl | all I can say for sure is that I need more data ;'] |
| 06:39.22 | Amicester | it looks like its reaching 20 at about 55 by your current data. |
| 06:39.27 | Amicester | Yeah. |
| 06:39.53 | Amicester | When I did it I had a very small sample, and I figured out the linear progression, but I never dug into the modifier because I knew something weird was going on. |
| 06:39.54 | futrtrubl | it's like climate change ;'] |
| 06:40.10 | Amicester | I mean I can visually see a pattern. |
| 06:40.16 | Amicester | I just can't correlate whats causing the pattern to be that way. |
| 06:40.26 | futrtrubl | same here |
| 06:40.47 | AnduinLothar | majic |
| 06:40.58 | Amicester | But yeah if you throw out 1 to 10. |
| 06:41.11 | Amicester | Cause its like it starts at 10 |
| 06:41.21 | AnduinLothar | where's iriel. he needs to come explain his suggestions.. |
| 06:41.29 | Amicester | and climbs 1 per level to 7. |
| 06:41.52 | Amicester | Have to get that value to 3 digits though heh. |
| 06:42.03 | futrtrubl | got any chars that can fill in any gaps? |
| 06:42.04 | Amicester | Are those rounded or just dropped? |
| 06:42.26 | futrtrubl | should be exact, didn't do any rounding |
| 06:42.33 | Amicester | Because with my character at 27 when I did 16.34 and 16.32 it wsa off. |
| 06:43.30 | Amicester | Its gotta be simpler than this, heh. |
| 06:43.39 | futrtrubl | I wish ;'] |
| 06:44.28 | Amicester | No I just mean I think I'm looking to deep. |
| 06:45.02 | Amicester | I'm going to go play I'll look back at it later with a fresh outlook and see. |
| 06:45.27 | futrtrubl | damn, I wish I had ms office right now (I just made a new comp and haven't downloaded a copy yet ;'] ) |
| 06:45.38 | futrtrubl | k, man |
| 06:45.54 | AnduinLothar | openoffice |
| 06:46.01 | futrtrubl | free? |
| 06:46.13 | AnduinLothar | u haven't heard of it? |
| 06:46.21 | futrtrubl | nope, not at all |
| 06:46.32 | AnduinLothar | http://www.openoffice.org/ |
| 06:47.21 | AnduinLothar | u need to read slashdot too |
| 06:47.40 | AnduinLothar | requirement to be a geek |
| 06:48.16 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 06:48.20 | futrtrubl | downloading now |
| 06:54.08 | AnduinLothar | holy crap SeaHooks Verbose is insane |
| 06:54.44 | AnduinLothar | .... esp with all those OnUpdate hooks O.o |
| 06:55.03 | AnduinLothar | good way to simulate 0.2 fps i spose.. |
| 06:55.27 | kergoth | haha |
| 06:56.10 | AnduinLothar | need to be able to specify which function hook to debug |
| 06:58.56 | Amicester | hm now I got to thinking of something else. |
| 06:59.09 | Amicester | Do you have to registerforclicks for onclick to process both buttons? |
| 06:59.14 | Amicester | or does it by default? |
| 06:59.36 | AnduinLothar | <Button ? |
| 06:59.41 | Amicester | or do I have to do mousedown mouseup? |
| 06:59.56 | Amicester | They'd be ... checkbuttons |
| 06:59.57 | Amicester | action buttons. |
| 07:00.06 | AnduinLothar | Button types should have both registered i think, use onclick |
| 07:00.32 | kergoth | i used to read /. .. havent in months, and dont miss it. fucking mass groups of idiots posting replies to news articles, "news" being reported multiple times, etc |
| 07:00.33 | Amicester | Okay, but how do I tell which button was clicked does it pass it a parm? |
| 07:00.54 | AnduinLothar | i dont read the comments usually |
| 07:01.05 | AnduinLothar | just skim the news a few times a day |
| 07:01.15 | AnduinLothar | keeps me somewhat uptodate |
| 07:01.15 | Amicester | yeah to me its just news. |
| 07:01.18 | Amicester | But its usually more interesting news. |
| 07:01.22 | Amicester | that I'm interested in. |
| 07:01.59 | Amicester | so is there like a button parm or something passed to onclick that I can use to tell which button it is? |
| 07:02.21 | futrtrubl | the button click source will be identified with "this" |
| 07:02.38 | Amicester | =/ |
| 07:03.31 | Amicester | this would just be the object thats being clicked. |
| 07:03.32 | futrtrubl | and any table vas assigned to it, like "this.index" |
| 07:03.38 | futrtrubl | correct |
| 07:03.43 | Amicester | I'm talking what mouse button wsa presss |
| 07:03.45 | Amicester | right left middle. |
| 07:03.50 | futrtrubl | ahhhhh |
| 07:03.54 | futrtrubl | yes arg1 |
| 07:05.10 | futrtrubl | "MiddleButton" etc |
| 07:05.19 | Amicester | the same as would be for RegisterForClicks? |
| 07:05.35 | Amicester | "LeftButton" "RightButton" |
| 07:05.50 | Amicester | at least if I remember right, I have it here somewhere. |
| 07:05.56 | Amicester | that should help I think thanks. |
| 07:05.59 | futrtrubl | indeed |
| 07:08.52 | Amicester | This is odd. |
| 07:09.40 | futrtrubl | how so? |
| 07:09.42 | Amicester | I'm looking at PaperDollItemSlotButton_OnClick, the function thats called when you click on a slot on the character frame paper doll. It has an example of what I'm looking for. |
| 07:09.49 | Amicester | Thats great, but in looking at it I notice one thing. |
| 07:09.58 | Amicester | It has a condition for button left and right. |
| 07:10.20 | Amicester | The left button, checks ctrl if so does dress up, checks shift, if so does item link, and if none of those it picks up the inventory item at that location. |
| 07:10.27 | Amicester | Right button just uses the item. |
| 07:10.31 | Amicester | Everything seems fine. |
| 07:10.41 | Amicester | But there's no logic to process if the cursor is holding something to equip it? |
| 07:10.53 | Amicester | If the cursor is holding something and you call pickupinventoryitem does it swap them? |
| 07:11.05 | Amicester | It would have to. |
| 07:11.08 | Amicester | or the character slots wouldn't work =P |
| 07:11.14 | kergoth | mmm, actionqueue and the aq_* addons are badass |
| 07:11.15 | futrtrubl | maybe if you pick something up while holding something the items swap place? |
| 07:11.23 | Amicester | that must be it... |
| 07:11.26 | Amicester | and then it just works for nothing. |
| 07:11.36 | AnduinLothar | kergoth> def |
| 07:11.38 | futrtrubl | yeah, that's my guess |
| 07:11.39 | kergoth | AQ_BuffBot is my new best friend in raids |
| 07:11.43 | AnduinLothar | yup |
| 07:11.58 | AnduinLothar | say me posting about it and went to find it, eh? |
| 07:12.03 | kergoth | yep :) |
| 07:12.04 | AnduinLothar | saw* |
| 07:12.09 | Amicester | heh. |
| 07:12.13 | kergoth | i was using decursive and autobuff |
| 07:12.17 | kergoth | but i'm lazy |
| 07:12.18 | kergoth | :P |
| 07:12.20 | AnduinLothar | yup |
| 07:12.22 | Amicester | but if you drop the item on the character paperdoll image itself |
| 07:12.27 | Amicester | it actually does AutoEquipCursorItem |
| 07:12.33 | Amicester | huh interesting. |
| 07:12.39 | AnduinLothar | BuffBot needs some more sanity checks to limit the casting errors |
| 07:12.45 | Amicester | I guess that saves a "is the cursor holding something if so equip" check. |
| 07:13.27 | kergoth | AnduinLothar: agreed. the spam of the overhead with red gets annoying fast |
| 07:13.37 | kergoth | though errorredirect is useful for that, it shouldnt be necessary |
| 07:14.12 | AnduinLothar | right, tho i do like the x's buff is fading stuff |
| 07:14.30 | AnduinLothar | 30 sec warning before they expire |
| 07:14.38 | futrtrubl | openoffice is nice |
| 07:14.42 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 07:14.58 | AnduinLothar | look's like this is my 'recomend good software' day |
| 07:15.59 | kergoth | checked out AQ_AutoReactiveClass .. i'm lazy, but holy crap, thats above and beyond.. remains to be seen whether my laziness will win out over not wanting to use it on general principle :P |
| 07:16.05 | futrtrubl | strange jerkiness actually when scrolling in it though... |
| 07:16.22 | AnduinLothar | does arc do anything useful for pallies? |
| 07:16.44 | kergoth | doesnt look like theres any pally code in it |
| 07:16.52 | AnduinLothar | ya, didn't think so |
| 07:17.10 | AnduinLothar | only thing i can think of would be conc on rogue vanish or stun on heal init |
| 07:17.38 | AnduinLothar | both would be useless tho unless u were in melle range |
| 07:17.58 | AnduinLothar | so it would have to tyr to attack and then hook the 'too far away' msg |
| 07:18.06 | kergoth | i love a good silence/earthshock pull |
| 07:18.10 | kergoth | :) |
| 07:18.55 | AnduinLothar | he put in optimization for IsMounted if you have it installed fyi |
| 07:20.27 | AnduinLothar | need to make that embedable too |
| 07:21.18 | AnduinLothar | ok well i've upgraded SeaHooks, no more streamlined + afew more options + debug |
| 07:21.31 | AnduinLothar | a but more streamlined* |
| 07:21.37 | AnduinLothar | a bit* |
| 07:23.07 | AnduinLothar | bastard in the apt next to me is trying to sleep at 11pm on a saturday night.. lame |
| 07:30.34 | AnduinLothar | those dwarven door keyholes are awfully high.. |
| 07:35.15 | Amicester | for pvp I'm pretty sure you can use CheckInteractDistance() but npcs will always return nil for that. |
| 07:35.39 | Amicester | a simple CheckInteractDistance("target",1) would return if they're roughly within 5yds. |
| 07:35.45 | Amicester | or the "hump your leg" inspect range. |
| 07:35.57 | Amicester | unless they disabled it. |
| 07:36.01 | *** join/#wowi-lounge duke|ib (i=dukeku@c-67-160-162-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 07:36.14 | AnduinLothar | that works on hostile players and mobs? |
| 07:36.20 | Amicester | it does not work on n[cs |
| 07:36.21 | Amicester | npcs |
| 07:36.26 | Amicester | but it should work on all players I would assume. |
| 07:36.30 | Amicester | it used to. |
| 07:36.34 | AnduinLothar | hmm |
| 07:36.36 | Amicester | they may have changed that when they changed the map funcs |
| 07:36.46 | Amicester | because inspecting the opposite faction is legal. |
| 07:37.00 | AnduinLothar | the self limitting inspect's gotta be using something to check.. |
| 07:37.19 | Amicester | yeh check interact goes for follow and duel and stuff |
| 07:37.19 | AnduinLothar | u can't inspect opp faction any more |
| 07:37.30 | Amicester | inspect, trade, duel, follow. |
| 07:37.30 | kergoth | guh |
| 07:37.41 | Amicester | ah yeah I haven't tried recently. |
| 07:37.44 | kergoth | i keep trying to select things in my text editor with alt held down, as though i'm inside of the wow editbox :P |
| 07:37.50 | kergoth | doesnt work so well |
| 07:37.55 | Amicester | hehe |
| 07:38.02 | AnduinLothar | O.o ? can't get their items i know for a fact and i higly doubt stats |
| 07:38.19 | Amicester | Not anymore. |
| 07:38.31 | Amicester | if you say you can't, I haven't tried recently. |
| 07:38.36 | AnduinLothar | right... |
| 07:38.41 | AnduinLothar | u cant |
| 07:38.43 | Amicester | I always opened enemy faction in a dressing room window. |
| 07:38.46 | Amicester | and npcs. |
| 07:39.00 | Amicester | or an empty paperdoll before dressing room |
| 07:39.11 | Amicester | I didn't like the idea that I couldn't inspect things, to me that doesn't make sense. |
| 07:39.27 | Amicester | I mean at least visually see them |
| 07:39.28 | AnduinLothar | i made a LevelEstimator that guessed hostile char lvl by loopign over their equip and grabbing the highest lvl req |
| 07:39.45 | AnduinLothar | but doesn't work cross faction any more |
| 07:40.06 | Amicester | augh I hate the action button limitations. |
| 07:40.08 | AnduinLothar | so now it just estimates hostile mob lvl based of simplistic defence |
| 07:40.24 | Amicester | You can't even check if its an item on the button or a spell or anything. |
| 07:40.32 | Amicester | its just ... an "action" |
| 07:40.57 | AnduinLothar | :) ya. we've done various nefarious hacks for that |
| 07:41.03 | Amicester | yeah. |
| 07:41.19 | kergoth | AnduinLothar: nice, i loved the addons that did that.. there wer ea couple.. levelmatrix and that one iirc. i always wanted to add support to the perl unitframes to use it. hehe |
| 07:41.25 | AnduinLothar | u can easily check if it's a macro |
| 07:41.34 | Amicester | with getactiontext right. |
| 07:41.39 | futrtrubl | how does it know when to show the number of an item then? |
| 07:41.48 | Amicester | there's a count func |
| 07:41.49 | AnduinLothar | making perl unit frames use it would be liek a 1 line hack |
| 07:41.53 | Amicester | wait |
| 07:41.54 | Amicester | yeah |
| 07:41.56 | Amicester | you can check count |
| 07:41.57 | Amicester | for 1! |
| 07:41.59 | Amicester | but not consumable! |
| 07:42.03 | Amicester | you're a genius fut! |
| 07:42.09 | futrtrubl | I know |
| 07:42.33 | Amicester | then it'll just have to be a sick hidden tooltip to get the damn name of the item. |
| 07:42.38 | AnduinLothar | if u wanna see lots of action button surfing APB does some of it in the TargetGuessing algorithm |
| 07:42.42 | Amicester | wait. |
| 07:42.44 | Amicester | Can get a link. |
| 07:42.47 | Amicester | and parse item name from link |
| 07:42.52 | Amicester | then pickup by name |
| 07:43.03 | Amicester | no can't get a link. |
| 07:43.08 | Amicester | action buttons don't generate links. |
| 07:43.10 | Amicester | they should! |
| 07:43.16 | futrtrubl | this is fun to watch |
| 07:43.17 | AnduinLothar | line one of the tooltip |
| 07:43.22 | Amicester | yeah. |
| 07:43.27 | Amicester | I already loop through and record all the mana costs |
| 07:43.31 | Amicester | for my mana cooldowns =P |
| 07:43.37 | kergoth | 106 addons in my current addon set. meh. time to trim |
| 07:43.41 | Amicester | so I guess I already have it in there. |
| 07:43.58 | Amicester | I have a lot of addons but no that many. |
| 07:44.02 | Amicester | I only have a lot because of small ones. |
| 07:44.06 | AnduinLothar | i have 110 enabled and liek 160 installed |
| 07:44.08 | Amicester | each new thing is usually a new addon. |
| 07:44.14 | kergoth | most of mine are little ones |
| 07:44.25 | kergoth | but i'm an information junkie |
| 07:44.29 | kergoth | need lots of addons for that |
| 07:44.30 | AnduinLothar | i have a plethora of MONSTER addons |
| 07:44.32 | kergoth | recap, accountant, etc |
| 07:44.46 | AnduinLothar | i dont even have those two |
| 07:44.51 | Amicester | yeah I removed all my data addons. |
| 07:44.57 | Amicester | I used to have them all. |
| 07:45.02 | AnduinLothar | nor auctioneer, |
| 07:45.02 | Amicester | I cut back about 20 addons when I did that |
| 07:45.13 | kergoth | i'm torn between my need for excessive amounts of information and my love for efficient, minimal interfaces |
| 07:45.27 | kergoth | auctioneer is a beast. i use kci nowadays |
| 07:45.31 | futrtrubl | you all need my RememberMyGoddamnNameplates AddOn |
| 07:45.38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 07:45.47 | kergoth | nice name. |
| 07:45.54 | Amicester | heh I have about an addon for every regular wow ui function |
| 07:45.59 | Amicester | where I've provided my own custom tweak |
| 07:46.10 | futrtrubl | http://edowner.myserver.org/RMGN.zip ;'] |
| 07:46.51 | futrtrubl | it's almost 2.5k unzipped ;'] |
| 07:47.02 | futrtrubl | 2.5kb* |
| 07:47.12 | AnduinLothar | mmm size... |
| 07:47.30 | Amicester | thats just for recording and resetting the nameplates? |
| 07:47.55 | AnduinLothar | arch with embeds is 788KB, only 140 of which are 2 images |
| 07:48.22 | futrtrubl | yup, would be smaller, but I needed a frame for event catching so I made a gui config for it too ;'] |
| 07:48.42 | AnduinLothar | the arch code itself w/o embeds or pix is 252KB |
| 07:48.53 | futrtrubl | geeze |
| 07:49.17 | AnduinLothar | main lua is 3k lines |
| 07:49.36 | AnduinLothar | xml is 2k |
| 07:49.56 | Amicester | yeah I think the reason I don't have anything that big is because of how often I split off into a new addon. |
| 07:50.45 | futrtrubl | my biggest is 120kb without textures |
| 07:50.45 | AnduinLothar | ya, arch is a mini-compilation |
| 07:50.45 | AnduinLothar | even Sky is only 136kb |
| 07:50.51 | AnduinLothar | 4k line lua |
| 07:51.25 | AnduinLothar | mobile frames is about that size too |
| 07:51.49 | AnduinLothar | ChannelManager's about 100kb text |
| 07:52.11 | kergoth | hmm, i should work on some of my twisted lua tricks |
| 07:52.28 | AnduinLothar | i stopped counting total lines of addon code in the middle of summer at like 25,000 lines |
| 07:54.55 | kergoth | lines of code is a pretty useless metric |
| 07:55.24 | AnduinLothar | ya, just ego boosting |
| 07:55.37 | kergoth | damnit, i wish my memory would stop sucking |
| 07:55.46 | kergoth | i cant remember what i was working on, code wise, last week |
| 07:55.49 | futrtrubl | esp if you have lots of for loops |
| 07:55.51 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 07:56.02 | AnduinLothar | i always uses for loops |
| 07:56.10 | AnduinLothar | Arch for loops all of it's regs |
| 07:56.35 | futrtrubl | me too, but loops make lines of code even more meaningless |
| 07:57.21 | kergoth | they're meaningless in general, regardless of loop usage. i can make code small or huge on a whim. doesnt imply anything about functionality, stability, performance, or any real factors of importance |
| 07:57.33 | AnduinLothar | regs for 104 options condensed to 600 lines + 300 lines of localization per lang |
| 07:57.38 | kergoth | i should show you guys some of the fun twisted little bits of lua i've got floating around |
| 07:58.47 | AnduinLothar | and that's fully featured khaos options + cosmos + myaddons + slash commands + feedback + name/helpinfo |
| 07:59.26 | AnduinLothar | but not including the callback functions themselves which make up 75% of the addon |
| 07:59.52 | kergoth | http://kergoth.com/mediawiki/index.php/Code/Lua/Foo was my first experimentations with multiple inheritence in lua. -extremely- limited. thinking about implementing the algo rici pointed me to a paper on, for intelligent decisions based on the inheritence graph, one of these days |
| 07:59.53 | AnduinLothar | then the rest is info tables and xml elements |
| 08:02.08 | kergoth | somewhere around here i've got a table traversal function that goes into all subtables, descending into tables within tables, but which doesnt use recursion, it uses iteration, so you'll never blow the stack, even traversing the entire global environment in wow |
| 08:02.33 | AnduinLothar | ya, we did that in Fire |
| 08:02.57 | kergoth | then i wrote one as an iterator, which was fun and silly |
| 08:03.12 | kergoth | for t,k,v in traverse(getfenv(0)) do ... end |
| 08:03.15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 08:03.27 | AnduinLothar | meh |
| 08:06.31 | AnduinLothar | mmm, just enabling SeaHooks debug non-verbose drops me like 10 fps with all those OnUpdates hooked |
| 08:09.36 | kergoth | http://kergoth.com/mediawiki/index.php/Code/Lua/TableTraversalIterator .. from the fun lua tricks department |
| 08:17.28 | Codayus | Grrr. "You have entered too many instances recently." |
| 08:18.10 | AnduinLothar | mm 10 min AB wait time... not bad. pvp server on a weekend |
| 08:18.18 | Codayus | I wonder if bliz took the mob I'm looking for out last patch or something? |
| 08:31.33 | *** join/#wowi-lounge embis|afk (n=tequilat@cpe-24-27-64-222.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 08:31.49 | embis|afk | hi everyone =) anyone awake? |
| 08:32.13 | Tain | Awake is a relative term. |
| 08:32.35 | embis|afk | haha yeah it's 2:30am here in houston, tx |
| 08:32.44 | embis|afk | anyone working on wow ui mods? |
| 08:33.02 | Codayus | Meh |
| 08:34.00 | Tain | In general, a bunch. :) Right now.. the only thing I'm working on is.. well actually nothing. |
| 08:34.02 | embis|afk | i'm trying to find something that will open/edit .tga and .blp files |
| 08:34.24 | embis|afk | i'm a noob to the ui stuff, but i'm gonna try my best. |
| 08:34.34 | Cair|sleep | futrtrubl: approved and available now |
| 08:34.42 | futrtrubl | thanks Cair |
| 08:34.45 | Cair|sleep | np |
| 08:34.48 | embis|afk | it's just that i'm starting to gear myself up and on down time i wanna do something creative |
| 08:35.15 | Tain | Hi sleepycair |
| 08:35.31 | futrtrubl | any recomendations for anything I should have done differently when submitting it Cair? |
| 08:35.47 | Cair|sleep | no, why, did you have a problem? |
| 08:35.49 | Cair|sleep | hi Tain |
| 08:36.11 | futrtrubl | none, but I'm pretty new to WoWI |
| 08:36.16 | Cair|sleep | nope, you did fine |
| 08:36.22 | futrtrubl | k |
| 08:36.33 | Cair|sleep | and on that note, now I really am heading to bed |
| 08:36.35 | Cair|sleep | night folks |
| 08:36.49 | AnduinLothar | night |
| 08:36.54 | futrtrubl | g'night Cair |
| 08:36.54 | Tain | Nite |
| 08:37.20 | futrtrubl | "nite" hehe, how american ;'] |
| 08:38.11 | AnduinLothar | g'pally |
| 08:38.35 | AnduinLothar | or g'knight either way |
| 08:39.16 | futrtrubl | I'll have to use g'pally |
| 08:39.23 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 08:41.50 | embis|afk | so does anyone know how to open and edit .mpq packages, .tga, and .blp files? |
| 08:42.15 | AnduinLothar | .tga can be openned in most graphic editors like photshop |
| 08:42.50 | AnduinLothar | .blp is bliiz proprietary format, ull have to look for a converter floating aroudn that does blp2 convertion |
| 08:43.10 | AnduinLothar | mpqs can be openned by WinMPQ or MPQ2K |
| 08:44.47 | futrtrubl | any converter around that does tga straight to blp? not that I really need it, but the compression benefits of blp would be nice |
| 08:44.52 | embis|afk | oh i got winmpq so guess i'm ok. so i need a .blp to .tga converter, and something that edits .tga files still. anything like that out there? |
| 08:45.14 | futrtrubl | get gimp, free image editor |
| 08:46.17 | embis|afk | where you dl that at? |
| 08:47.14 | futrtrubl | also look for wowimage for a blp converter |
| 08:47.37 | futrtrubl | http://www.gimp.org/ |
| 08:47.43 | embis|afk | ok i'll write those down. know a place to dl em? lol thanks =) |
| 08:47.59 | AnduinLothar | wowimage: http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=1977 |
| 08:48.06 | futrtrubl | and I hate to say it here but wowimage is on curse gaming |
| 08:48.24 | embis|afk | why? don't like curse? |
| 08:48.39 | futrtrubl | 'cuz this is WoWInterface ;'] |
| 08:49.04 | AnduinLothar | cair doesn't mind |
| 08:49.29 | futrtrubl | didn't think she would.... ;'] |
| 08:49.47 | embis|afk | oh ok lol |
| 08:52.47 | futrtrubl | and if you need info on making tgas that work with WoW there's a quick tutorial I amde for making them in photoshop (not quite the same as gimp but should have useful info) at http://edowner.myserver.org/Texture-Tutorial/readme.htm |
| 08:53.12 | embis|afk | wow thanks a bunch |
| 08:53.34 | futrtrubl | np |
| 08:54.05 | AnduinLothar | u should put that on the wiki |
| 08:54.11 | futrtrubl | and now I shall follow Cair's excellent example and go to bed |
| 08:54.15 | futrtrubl | which wiki? |
| 08:54.20 | AnduinLothar | wowwiki |
| 08:54.23 | embis|afk | wowwiki |
| 08:54.27 | futrtrubl | and you think it is good enough? |
| 08:54.30 | embis|afk | it's a website for useful stuff |
| 08:54.44 | futrtrubl | I spend a tonne of time there |
| 08:54.48 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 08:55.11 | AnduinLothar | haven't read it, but any thing people ask that can be answered should have a wiki page so i can just link it.. |
| 08:55.15 | embis|afk | oh ok haha i should have known lol maybe ya tired |
| 08:55.20 | embis|afk | i know i am |
| 08:55.21 | AnduinLothar | put all the image stuff on the same page |
| 08:56.23 | AnduinLothar | make a http://www.wowwiki.com/Images page |
| 08:56.32 | futrtrubl | hmm... the only stuff I have done there so far is edit little bits, how would I go about adding it? |
| 08:56.51 | AnduinLothar | go the page and click edit |
| 08:57.20 | AnduinLothar | then put all ur info on it, format it, then link it from somewhere useful |
| 08:57.37 | futrtrubl | what about images? |
| 08:58.18 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 08:58.41 | AnduinLothar | or make a HOWTO:TGA |
| 08:58.59 | futrtrubl | my readme has a lot of images, would I link to them on my server or can I upload them to wowwiki? |
| 08:59.03 | AnduinLothar | and put the blp conversion info on the image page and link the howto |
| 08:59.11 | AnduinLothar | if they're small images u can |
| 08:59.24 | AnduinLothar | forgo tthe file size |
| 08:59.52 | futrtrubl | not really that small, about 700k all told |
| 09:00.06 | AnduinLothar | each? |
| 09:00.12 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowwiki.com/Help:Editing |
| 09:00.42 | futrtrubl | not each, 256kb is the largest |
| 09:00.49 | AnduinLothar | should be fine |
| 09:00.55 | AnduinLothar | i think |
| 09:01.30 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Upload |
| 09:03.02 | futrtrubl | this is way beyond my capabilities with my current lack of sleep. I'm going to have to look at it again... today I guess, when I wake up |
| 09:04.40 | futrtrubl | so later guys\ |
| 09:04.49 | AnduinLothar | cyaz |
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| 09:46.52 | shouryuu | rawr |
| 09:47.05 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 09:47.44 | shouryuu | I'm sick :( |
| 09:47.52 | AnduinLothar | :( I slept through work |
| 09:48.10 | AnduinLothar | they didn't even bother to call me |
| 09:48.47 | shouryuu | lol |
| 09:49.14 | AnduinLothar | dont spose most peopel sleep through 5-11pm shifts, they prolly wont believe me |
| 09:49.35 | shouryuu | haha |
| 09:57.20 | AnduinLothar | i need to make an auto sealing aq mod.. |
| 09:59.15 | shouryuu | auto sealing aq? |
| 10:00.05 | shouryuu | man this really sucks |
| 10:00.16 | AnduinLothar | ActionQueue plug-in that will do some logic to cast a seal if i dont have one on and autojudge one of my choice if my target doesn't have one |
| 10:00.28 | shouryuu | I just got the 600 songs from the beatles, without ANY names :( |
| 10:00.42 | AnduinLothar | lol, not tagged? |
| 10:00.46 | shouryuu | yeah |
| 10:00.52 | AnduinLothar | baweeted |
| 10:00.54 | shouryuu | and I have no idea how to :( |
| 10:00.56 | shouryuu | lol |
| 10:01.30 | shouryuu | I found a program called mp3tagger, buuutttt I just don't get neither... Life is hard.. |
| 10:01.55 | AnduinLothar | that queue an online database? |
| 10:02.13 | AnduinLothar | i tag everything with itunes |
| 10:02.25 | shouryuu | yeah go ahead and tag 600 songs with Itunes |
| 10:02.38 | shouryuu | yeah it should do it online but it never works :( |
| 10:02.39 | AnduinLothar | nah, woudla just deleted those |
| 10:02.51 | AnduinLothar | but i already have mosta the beatles stuff |
| 10:03.09 | shouryuu | lol |
| 10:03.29 | shouryuu | I have all the names in a nice little file, and all the songs |
| 10:03.34 | AnduinLothar | ahh |
| 10:03.44 | shouryuu | I just have to make them "merge" |
| 10:03.51 | AnduinLothar | gl |
| 10:03.55 | shouryuu | the 5U><><0|2z |
| 10:03.56 | shouryuu | lol |
| 10:40.32 | shouryuu | well im off |
| 10:40.33 | shouryuu | see yar |
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| 13:36.04 | Malivil | Hey |
| 13:36.12 | Malivil | Anyone know the location of the disconnect portait? |
| 13:36.16 | Malivil | *portrait |
| 13:37.11 | AnduinLothar | check UnitFrame.lua |
| 13:37.41 | Malivil | that in the interface.mpq? |
| 13:37.47 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 13:37.51 | Malivil | k |
| 13:37.53 | Malivil | thanks |
| 13:39.30 | Malivil | wait |
| 13:39.36 | Malivil | wouldn't it be in PartyMemberFrame? |
| 13:40.49 | AnduinLothar | ah, ya proly |
| 13:41.06 | Malivil | =-/ |
| 13:41.10 | Malivil | But it's not... |
| 13:41.38 | Cide | try UnitFrame, because that has pretty general code |
| 13:41.59 | Malivil | i looked in unitframeand idndt find it |
| 13:45.17 | AnduinLothar | why are u trying to find it, to use the tex? |
| 13:45.22 | Malivil | No |
| 13:45.27 | Malivil | It's for Rte |
| 13:45.31 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 13:45.34 | Malivil | He needs it for CircuFrames |
| 13:45.39 | Malivil | Replacing the party frames |
| 13:45.51 | Malivil | needs the portrait to show when a party member goes offline |
| 13:45.58 | AnduinLothar | ah |
| 13:46.19 | AnduinLothar | ya. i put Offline text on the unit frames in Arch way back |
| 13:46.35 | Malivil | yea, but there is no text on his frames |
| 13:46.40 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 13:46.42 | Malivil | So hwne a parson goes offline you can't really tell |
| 13:46.44 | Malivil | *when |
| 13:46.47 | Malivil | *person |
| 13:46.49 | Malivil | wow i can't spell |
| 13:49.20 | Malivil | hmm |
| 13:49.22 | Malivil | can't find it |
| 13:53.06 | AnduinLothar | maybe i can just hack BuffBot to use the Whispercast window... |
| 13:53.36 | AnduinLothar | hope he abstracted it |
| 13:53.57 | Malivil | it wouldnt be in texture.mpq would it? |
| 13:55.55 | Malivil | FOUND IT |
| 13:56.14 | Malivil | its in the PartyFrameTemplates.xml |
| 13:56.19 | Malivil | But that's not in the interface.mpq |
| 13:57.11 | Malivil | and the file isn't in interface.mpq or i would have found it |
| 13:57.17 | Cide | you should just extract the files with the blizzard interface extractor |
| 13:57.26 | Malivil | i havethem |
| 13:57.27 | Cide | it doesn't update interface.mpq all the time |
| 13:57.30 | Malivil | thats how i found where it was |
| 13:57.43 | Cide | newer files are in patch.mpq |
| 13:57.49 | Malivil | i know |
| 13:59.22 | Malivil | Interface\CharacterFrame\Disconnect-Icon |
| 13:59.25 | Malivil | for future reference |
| 13:59.29 | Malivil | if anyone needed to know |
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| 14:20.15 | shouryuu | rawr |
| 14:22.28 | shouryuu | if I want to save a table in a saved variables, all I have to do is indicate the table's name in the TOC right? |
| 14:24.17 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 14:25.23 | shouryuu | ok i think i found out where I'm overwritting my variables |
| 14:25.27 | shouryuu | *crosses fingers* |
| 14:26.08 | shouryuu | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh |
| 15:15.14 | AnduinLothar | :-D just got my lgiht saber |
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| 15:55.44 | embis|afk | hey is anyone around by any chance? |
| 15:55.54 | AnduinLothar | moo |
| 15:56.09 | embis|afk | lol hey hows it going? |
| 15:56.19 | AnduinLothar | slow |
| 15:57.04 | embis|afk | have you used gimp before? i can't get it to run. yeah i hear ya, and i'm a rook with this stuff but i'll just say that it's cause i'm tired it won't work |
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| 15:58.20 | AnduinLothar | nah, i haven't used it |
| 15:58.21 | embis|afk | i might be able to get wowimage to work, but i gotta shut down real quick to see if installing java helps |
| 15:59.46 | embis|afk | oh ok yeah i'm trying to get it to edit some wow and other game images |
| 15:59.53 | embis|afk | then going to use them for my UI |
| 16:00.18 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 16:01.00 | embis|afk | do you have any other software to view/edit .blp and .tga files? |
| 16:01.17 | embis|afk | i might give up on figuring out this software for now |
| 16:02.36 | AnduinLothar | mmm not free |
| 16:02.57 | embis|afk | oh really what you use by the way? |
| 16:06.47 | AnduinLothar | photoshop |
| 16:06.53 | AnduinLothar | i got a cs vers cheep |
| 16:07.12 | AnduinLothar | compared to 1k retail anyway |
| 16:08.10 | embis|afk | yeah thats expensive damn...i'll have to get a reduced version as well |
| 16:10.47 | AnduinLothar | cs isn't reduced, it's student |
| 16:14.38 | embis|afk | oh ok haha thats a relief i can buy it cheaper at my campus then :=) |
| 16:15.36 | AnduinLothar | it's $200 i think |
| 16:15.48 | AnduinLothar | my parent's chipped in, my dad uses it at home |
| 16:16.05 | AnduinLothar | i've been using ilelgal copies since jr high |
| 16:17.26 | embis|afk | wow nice parents...my parents do well but i've always had to do plenty on my own. way they wanted me to grow up lol...lucky. yeah those illegal copies work too. =) i'll get me a "really long trial version" |
| 16:18.19 | AnduinLothar | ya, they always told me to get off the computer... but i've been uta the house long enough |
| 16:19.50 | embis|afk | yeah same here i was out over two years, but i'm back for college. i'm a little bit of a late starter but i was active duty air force so i had reason |
| 16:20.27 | Tain | You can also get Photoshop Elements which has a lot of the most common features of Photoshop, but not the more advanced stuff. Under $100 new. |
| 16:21.09 | embis|afk | really like what does it lack? |
| 16:21.41 | AnduinLothar | elements is actually meant for the makign of graphics as oppossed to photoshop which is geared towards editing |
| 16:22.19 | AnduinLothar | but not apple also has a pirect photoshop cometition, which is actually better for editign pictures imo |
| 16:22.21 | Tain | No, that's Illustrator. |
| 16:22.22 | AnduinLothar | now* |
| 16:22.41 | AnduinLothar | Illustrator is further, yes |
| 16:22.43 | Tain | Elements is a trimmed down version of Photoshop. |
| 16:22.50 | AnduinLothar | meh, u surE? |
| 16:22.56 | Tain | Yes. |
| 16:23.07 | AnduinLothar | thought is was diff... oh well, i dont use elements |
| 16:23.24 | AnduinLothar | have a copy, cause it came with the cs suite but never used it |
| 16:23.40 | AnduinLothar | prolly cause i'm so used to PS |
| 16:25.11 | embis|afk | yeah i mainly need editing software as i want to use elements of some old favorite games and get the feeling |
| 16:25.35 | embis|afk | but if they did both the'd be cool |
| 16:29.07 | embis|afk | so is everyone working on their 1st wow ui? or been doing em a while? |
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| 16:33.32 | AnduinLothar | i've been doing addons since january |
| 16:35.23 | embis|afk | what other programs have you used to make nice uis? and used any other games like starcraft for ui elements or something cool like that? |
| 16:35.45 | AnduinLothar | i used to mod starcraft too, but no |
| 16:36.05 | AnduinLothar | thougth about a SC hud but decided against it for wow |
| 16:36.22 | embis|afk | oh ok yeah i wanna do one for diablo 2 |
| 16:36.36 | embis|afk | gimme that old feeling =) |
| 16:36.37 | AnduinLothar | didn't someone do that already? |
| 16:36.49 | AnduinLothar | just play d2 if u want the feeling :P |
| 16:36.56 | embis|afk | someone did the orbs but not the whole thing |
| 16:37.01 | AnduinLothar | ah |
| 16:37.40 | embis|afk | i know i wanna do it mostly cause i'd be fun. besides i'll have the boarders and buttons already made for me for my first ui |
| 16:39.11 | cladhaire | Is anyone here an artist? |
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| 16:39.36 | Tain | Not unless you consider my MS Paint stick figures to be art. |
| 16:39.38 | shouryuu | rawr |
| 16:39.48 | shouryuu | ohhh art talk |
| 16:39.49 | cladhaire | mmm sexy |
| 16:39.51 | Tain | If you do, I have some originals I'd like to sell. |
| 16:39.57 | cladhaire | woot! |
| 16:40.01 | cladhaire | Tain: we could make a killing! |
| 16:40.18 | cladhaire | morning/afternoon all |
| 16:40.22 | shouryuu | the usual modern art is not art debate? |
| 16:40.23 | embis|afk | if i was i wouldn't be trying to mod diablo 2 for fun. i wish i could draw |
| 16:40.55 | shouryuu | ugh I'm lobotomised |
| 16:41.09 | shouryuu | some evil spirit robed my brain last nigh |
| 16:41.13 | Tain | ~lobotomize shouryuu |
| 16:41.16 | purl | ACTION jams a rusty screw driver into shouryuu's head and swirls shouryuu's brain around |
| 16:41.20 | Tain | Now you are. |
| 16:41.29 | shouryuu | and inserted some buggy snippets of code in my add-on I can't fine |
| 16:41.32 | shouryuu | w00t |
| 16:41.41 | shouryuu | ~hug shouryuu |
| 16:41.42 | purl | ACTION hugs shouryuu |
| 16:41.42 | Tain | I like the swirling brain action. |
| 16:41.45 | shouryuu | feel the love |
| 16:41.46 | shouryuu | lol |
| 16:42.25 | Tain | Yeah I got nothing in the way of artistic skills when it comes to creating, cladhaire. |
| 16:42.34 | cladhaire | Yeah me neither |
| 16:42.49 | Osagasu | ~slap shouryuu |
| 16:42.51 | purl | ACTION slaps shouryuu, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 16:42.52 | cladhaire | I have a pimp idea for a logo for my Bishop frame.. but I need someone to draw it :P |
| 16:43.03 | shouryuu | bully |
| 16:43.08 | Osagasu | ~slap shouryuu |
| 16:43.09 | purl | ACTION slaps shouryuu, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 16:43.13 | cladhaire | ~lick shouryuu |
| 16:43.14 | purl | ACTION licks shouryuu *SHLUUURRRRPPP* |
| 16:43.18 | shouryuu | <3 you |
| 16:43.26 | embis|afk | ROFL! |
| 16:43.29 | Osagasu | ~kill shouryuu |
| 16:43.30 | purl | ACTION shoots a excited graviton gun at shouryuu |
| 16:43.43 | shouryuu | i thought there was a "no spamming the bot" thing going on |
| 16:43.44 | Osagasu | ~literal shoot |
| 16:43.46 | purl | "shoot" is "<reply> bang!" |
| 16:43.56 | cladhaire | you can't spam the bot when a conversatino is happening :P |
| 16:44.09 | cladhaire | cair will kickban us later anyway =) |
| 16:44.14 | Osagasu | we can make exceptions when it has to do with you |
| 16:44.19 | Osagasu | ~literal kill |
| 16:44.51 | shouryuu | lol |
| 16:44.53 | shouryuu | thanks osa |
| 16:44.55 | Osagasu | ~literal kill |
| 16:44.57 | shouryuu | deep down |
| 16:44.59 | Osagasu | grrr |
| 16:45.00 | shouryuu | I feel special |
| 16:45.05 | Osagasu | you are spechial |
| 16:45.08 | shouryuu | :P |
| 16:46.02 | embis|afk | hey do any of you people that just arrived use gimp? |
| 16:46.28 | shouryuu | gimp? |
| 16:46.35 | cladhaire | I use the gimp |
| 16:47.17 | shouryuu | ok could anyone exlpain how a loop, can work for the two first indexes then return an error |
| 16:47.52 | Osagasu | of the indexes don't go above 1 or 2 |
| 16:47.55 | cladhaire | shouryuu: paste the loop and i'll tell ya :P |
| 16:48.05 | Osagasu | pastebin! |
| 16:48.11 | Osagasu | wow.pastebin.com |
| 16:48.18 | shouryuu | ok |
| 16:48.48 | shouryuu | yeah when I debug the indexes do 1, then 2 and bug |
| 16:48.59 | embis|afk | clad i can't get gimp to work in all that mess exactly what do i dl? |
| 16:49.37 | cladhaire | http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/stable.html |
| 16:49.41 | cladhaire | then download GTK and the gimp. |
| 16:49.46 | cladhaire | install GTK, then the gimp |
| 16:49.59 | shouryuu | fuck interenet is bugging |
| 16:50.02 | shouryuu | god hates me today |
| 16:50.05 | shouryuu | my add on screws up |
| 16:50.08 | shouryuu | i fall sick |
| 16:50.11 | shouryuu | I have to work |
| 16:50.14 | shouryuu | and internet sucks |
| 16:50.56 | embis|afk | clad i love you! |
| 16:51.03 | shouryuu | mind if I paste the 5 lines here? |
| 16:51.12 | cladhaire | ifs its just five lines.. go ahead |
| 16:51.16 | shouryuu | for index=ListNumberStart, min(m,GetNumGuildMembers()) do |
| 16:51.16 | shouryuu | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("index" ..index); |
| 16:51.16 | shouryuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.16 | shouryuu | n = n + 1; |
| 16:51.16 | shouryuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.29 | shouryuu | it says editbox[index] needs to be a number |
| 16:51.59 | shouryuu | the exact error is something like error line XX Usage EditBox:SetNumber(number) |
| 16:52.21 | cladhaire | And what is editBox[]? |
| 16:52.26 | shouryuu | a table |
| 16:52.37 | shouryuu | I'm sure there are values in there |
| 16:52.52 | cladhaire | and what is n? |
| 16:52.58 | cladhaire | where does it come from? |
| 16:53.09 | shouryuu | n is the edit box number |
| 16:53.20 | shouryuu | I have a list of 10 edit boxes, id from 1 to 10 |
| 16:53.44 | shouryuu | and this loops should set their value to the value of editBox[index] |
| 16:53.52 | cladhaire | but where is n set.. you increment n.. but you never set it anywhere |
| 16:54.03 | shouryuu | i define it before |
| 16:54.06 | shouryuu | local n = 1; |
| 16:54.15 | cladhaire | k |
| 16:54.42 | cladhaire | have you /dumped editBox? |
| 16:54.47 | cladhaire | DevTools_Dump(editBox)? |
| 16:54.52 | cladhaire | see whats in it? |
| 16:55.12 | shouryuu | im trying it right now |
| 16:55.20 | shouryuu | I've tried it before but I'm sure it returns values |
| 16:55.59 | cladhaire | but the important thing is _what_ values |
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| 16:59.18 | shouryuu | ok so apparently, a function that should be setting all my values to 0 isn't working properly |
| 17:00.46 | shouryuu | yup that is the problem |
| 17:00.59 | AnduinLothar | yay bugs |
| 17:01.24 | shouryuu | w00t fixed |
| 17:02.07 | shouryuu | may I ask another dumb question? |
| 17:02.17 | ToastTheif | brb, gonna try out xchat |
| 17:02.22 | ToastTheif | and yes, you may |
| 17:03.57 | AnduinLothar | xchat owns |
| 17:04.13 | embis|afk | ohhh i've got a noob qutstion too |
| 17:04.27 | embis|afk | does anyone know why when i use "discord unit frames" my wow crashes? i downloaded a ui someone had for reference to make my own, and when i put the files in their place, and did the /dab and the /dart commands to pull up load custom settings it worked. /duf load custom settings crashes me. |
| 17:04.56 | shouryuu | crashes in what way? |
| 17:05.05 | shouryuu | freezes? |
| 17:05.06 | embis|afk | my wow turns off |
| 17:05.12 | embis|afk | nope just quto exits |
| 17:05.17 | embis|afk | auto* |
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| 17:05.40 | shouryuu | humm that's weird... |
| 17:05.56 | ToastTheif | mmm, I like xchat's look etter |
| 17:05.58 | ToastTheif | better* |
| 17:06.07 | AnduinLothar | xchat is better |
| 17:06.21 | Tain | Dunno, I don't use any of the Discord stuff. Loading custom graphics shouldn't crash, wow just shows blank green stuff usually. |
| 17:06.43 | embis|afk | yeah no kidding...i put the 8 files in their places too...the dab_custom in dab the duf in duf and dart in the art folder then the .tga and .blp went in their places. |
| 17:06.58 | Tain | One thing that will cause an instant WoW exit is if you move frames around in a certain way. |
| 17:07.26 | embis|afk | well if goes black for a sec like you know when your doing some screen adjustments? well does that and then no more wow |
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| 17:07.57 | embis|afk | i wish lozareth was online lol |
| 17:08.16 | ToastTheif | I don't like Discord mods, they lag my old computer |
| 17:08.33 | ToastTheif | Im sure they won't lag my new one when I get it... but I still don't like them =P |
| 17:08.35 | embis|afk | they lag me too but i'm gonna buy some ram soon so just suffering a little |
| 17:08.53 | embis|afk | really? interesting you got a better one you using? |
| 17:09.06 | ToastTheif | I just bought a new comp |
| 17:09.12 | ToastTheif | waiting for it to get here |
| 17:09.21 | ToastTheif | impatiently... |
| 17:09.25 | embis|afk | oh i mean editor what you using if not discord |
| 17:09.44 | ToastTheif | discord editor? |
| 17:10.06 | embis|afk | yeah you said i don't like discord mods was wondering what you using instead |
| 17:10.18 | ToastTheif | I use lots of addons |
| 17:10.36 | ToastTheif | for unit frames, Im not sure what I'll use yet |
| 17:10.43 | cladhaire | Xchat + WatchDog == teh sexy |
| 17:10.48 | embis|afk | really? what other good ones out there? i use plenty but i'm looking for addons that are good and help my edit my ui |
| 17:11.00 | ToastTheif | you should check out this thread... |
| 17:11.05 | ToastTheif | let me find the link quick =P |
| 17:11.10 | embis|afk | clad what does xchat and watchdog do? |
| 17:11.14 | embis|afk | thanks bud =) |
| 17:11.18 | cladhaire | I meant xraid not xchat |
| 17:11.24 | ToastTheif | xraid is nice |
| 17:11.25 | cladhaire | XRaid is my raid UI.. sexy as hell and very efficient |
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| 17:11.35 | AnduinLothar | u tried arch i take it? |
| 17:11.37 | ToastTheif | watch dog, is eh... I don't like it really |
| 17:11.45 | cladhaire | WatchDog is a set of replacement unit frames that provides click-casting on frames |
| 17:11.55 | cladhaire | ToastTheif: What don't you lik e(i'm always looking to improve) |
| 17:12.28 | ToastTheif | well |
| 17:12.31 | ToastTheif | http://wowace.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=202 |
| 17:12.38 | ToastTheif | that's the link, Embis |
| 17:12.55 | embis|afk | thanks again :) |
| 17:13.09 | ToastTheif | for one, I don't like click casting, which isn't really a problem |
| 17:13.18 | shouryuu | arrrrggghh why aren't my variables saving... gooiiid reeaallllyy hates me |
| 17:13.22 | ToastTheif | but mostly, I just don't like the look and feel |
| 17:13.52 | embis|afk | what click-casting do? |
| 17:14.05 | ToastTheif | click on a frame, it does something |
| 17:14.15 | ToastTheif | right click on a frame, it does something else |
| 17:14.23 | ToastTheif | I perfer something like Benecast my self |
| 17:14.47 | embis|afk | oh so buttons are multi assigned? interesting but i agree bene is ez to use |
| 17:15.25 | embis|afk | so what kinda cool things xraid have over discord? |
| 17:15.48 | ToastTheif | I'd use CTRA for raiding, personally |
| 17:16.03 | ToastTheif | just because it's what everyone else uses |
| 17:16.16 | ToastTheif | and it makes it easier for the raid leader |
| 17:17.04 | shouryuu | I use CTRA with perl nyumbia;'s frames |
| 17:17.06 | cladhaire | ToastTheif: I'm working on a mini-ctra that gives the "extra" functinoality (/rs messages, read checks, etc).. essentially just the COMM sectino of it.. for my own personal use to use with XRaid |
| 17:17.31 | cladhaire | But thats mostly cause I do a lot of raid frame dev on my own.. and i'd like to make it easy for the raid leaders, even if my raid frames are fooked =) |
| 17:17.46 | ToastTheif | if somone made something that listend to the chat channels for CTRA stuff, and worked better than CTRA, I'd use it |
| 17:18.08 | cladhaire | brb afk.. need to go get my car |
| 17:18.34 | ToastTheif | I like these unit frames... |
| 17:18.34 | ToastTheif | http://ui.worldofwar.net/images/ui/1111962699img1.jpg |
| 17:20.39 | embis|afk | it's clean but too dry for me |
| 17:20.56 | embis|afk | i wanna do something cool while not take up too much room |
| 17:21.07 | Cide | what's wrong with CTRA per se, ToastTheif? |
| 17:21.10 | ToastTheif | I like my interface small, easy to look at and functional |
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| 17:21.22 | AnduinLothar | not pretty enough :) |
| 17:21.23 | ToastTheif | it's really slow on my old comp =P |
| 17:21.27 | shouryuu | if I do local TableName = {} at the start of my add-on, will it override the TableName I saved from my last session? |
| 17:21.35 | ToastTheif | but I saw the thread |
| 17:21.37 | AnduinLothar | it's good for displaying lots of units, but borring just for party |
| 17:21.42 | shouryuu | it shou;dn't right |
| 17:21.43 | ToastTheif | about how you and blizz are working on that |
| 17:21.46 | shouryuu | agreed anduin |
| 17:22.07 | Cide | shouryuu: If it's a saved variable, that will work just fine, saved variables are initialized later |
| 17:22.20 | ToastTheif | the rest of CTRA, I love |
| 17:22.23 | Cide | I don't mind people not using CTRA of course, don't get me wrong |
| 17:22.27 | Cide | but I want to improve things |
| 17:22.31 | embis|afk | why can't discord work with ctra? |
| 17:22.35 | ToastTheif | mhmm, I still use it though, Cide |
| 17:23.25 | Cide | embis|afk: "work", as in? |
| 17:23.30 | shouryuu | ok. So if i want to save a variable, I only have to put it's name in the TOC and voila right? |
| 17:23.38 | Cide | shouryuu: yep |
| 17:24.09 | ToastTheif | I sorta like CTRA for partys even, heh |
| 17:24.16 | AnduinLothar | rly? |
| 17:24.17 | embis|afk | or is it that titan don't work with ctra |
| 17:24.27 | AnduinLothar | titan works fine with ctra |
| 17:24.34 | ToastTheif | yeah, I like the compactness |
| 17:24.44 | embis|afk | really wonder whats just then i'll get on that |
| 17:24.53 | AnduinLothar | i'm not really a minimalist |
| 17:24.59 | ToastTheif | I don't need much in a party frame, just need to know the health so I can go on heal botting |
| 17:25.49 | AnduinLothar | ya, i'm actually more of a maximalist, fit the most info in the smallest space while still being visually appealing |
| 17:26.00 | ToastTheif | heh |
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| 17:26.16 | AnduinLothar | and intuitive is high on my priorety list |
| 17:26.29 | shouryuu | I agree anduin |
| 17:26.32 | shouryuu | small is not always good |
| 17:26.34 | ToastTheif | I wish somone would finished AcePanel |
| 17:26.43 | shouryuu | I'd rather have something a bit bigger, but clear and easy to see |
| 17:27.06 | Tain | I like the minimum amount of information I need. |
| 17:27.08 | shouryuu | than some some small frame squished in the botom left side of the bottom left side of my screenn |
| 17:27.46 | AnduinLothar | ya, i liek having large party and small raid frames just cause my party is usually more important to pay attention to |
| 17:28.19 | AnduinLothar | but it would be cool to beable to export selected raid units to full unit frames |
| 17:28.41 | shouryuu | can't that be done? |
| 17:29.01 | AnduinLothar | like right click a ctra person and click a menu option to make it into another PartyFrame style display |
| 17:29.13 | ToastTheif | that'd be cool |
| 17:29.14 | shouryuu | yeah that would be nice |
| 17:29.22 | AnduinLothar | course, then i'd want all my Archeaologist data on it too.. |
| 17:29.48 | AnduinLothar | but that actually isn't too hard to do cause arch is liek super abstracted |
| 17:31.11 | AnduinLothar | just duplicate the party functions, and cofig options, name it soemthing else and redirect the info tables to the correct functions |
| 17:31.46 | AnduinLothar | like, long as CTRALargeUnitFrame.unit = "raidx" |
| 17:32.19 | ToastTheif | I wsih tehre was soemtinhg to do rihgt now, I cna't wiat for my new compuetr to get here alradey |
| 17:32.31 | Tain | Crochet? |
| 17:33.00 | shouryuu | toast - explain to me why my variables aren't saving |
| 17:33.52 | ToastTheif | well |
| 17:34.28 | ToastTheif | msot liekly, becuase you did soemtihng wrnog... |
| 17:34.50 | shouryuu | lol |
| 17:34.53 | shouryuu | but what?! |
| 17:35.08 | shouryuu | i've put the names in the toc |
| 17:35.34 | ToastTheif | Mmm, yes taht is a quetsoin for the aeges I wolud hve to say |
| 17:35.35 | shouryuu | what could be messing it up? |
| 17:36.35 | shouryuu | whhhatttttt |
| 17:36.38 | shouryuu | ~shoot me |
| 17:36.40 | purl | ACTION shoots shouryuu in the head with a glue gun! |
| 17:36.46 | ToastTheif | I just do what ever the person did in the addon that Im editing |
| 17:36.46 | shouryuu | ~kill shouryuu |
| 17:36.48 | purl | ACTION shoots a tachyon gun at shouryuu |
| 17:36.53 | shouryuu | lol |
| 17:36.55 | shouryuu | ~hang me |
| 17:37.03 | ToastTheif | usually works for me |
| 17:37.04 | shouryuu | we have to teach him that one |
| 17:37.39 | ToastTheif | ~hang Shouryuu, he doesn't even have enough self confidence to capitalize his own same! |
| 17:37.48 | ToastTheif | name*... |
| 17:38.01 | shouryuu | lol |
| 17:38.16 | shouryuu | we still need to teach him that one |
| 17:39.01 | ToastTheif | Oooh, only 8% more to go until season 3 of RvB is done downloading |
| 17:39.11 | shouryuu | RvB? |
| 17:39.17 | ToastTheif | Red vs Blue |
| 17:39.31 | ToastTheif | ASDQWEZXC |
| 17:39.36 | shouryuu | asdqwexc |
| 17:39.39 | shouryuu | wtf? |
| 17:39.53 | ToastTheif | it's the secret code word! |
| 17:39.58 | ToastTheif | ASDQWEZXC |
| 17:40.28 | ToastTheif | it means, "duh" |
| 17:41.09 | shouryuu | asqwexc |
| 17:41.15 | shouryuu | just checking if you new it |
| 17:41.27 | ToastTheif | have any of you heard the "I Can be Your Healer" WoW parody? |
| 17:41.32 | shouryuu | nope |
| 17:41.37 | ToastTheif | haha, that was a good one Shour |
| 17:41.52 | shouryuu | yeah I'm brain dead |
| 17:41.53 | ToastTheif | seriously lol |
| 17:42.11 | ToastTheif | mmm, but you should listen to that song |
| 17:42.13 | ToastTheif | it's hillarious |
| 17:42.17 | shouryuu | where can I find it |
| 17:42.23 | shouryuu | im beatles addicted right npow |
| 17:42.59 | ToastTheif | hmm |
| 17:42.59 | shouryuu | but meh |
| 17:43.00 | shouryuu | shoot |
| 17:43.11 | ToastTheif | I can't find the link... one sec |
| 17:44.55 | shouryuu | rawr |
| 17:49.12 | ToastTheif | asdqwezxc |
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| 17:50.45 | AnduinLothar | bah, i hate worldofwar file names.. |
| 17:52.55 | shouryuu | I just hate savedVariables |
| 17:53.03 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 17:53.19 | AnduinLothar | u haven't even tried to make them diff per char yet ;) |
| 17:54.10 | shouryuu | lol |
| 17:54.23 | shouryuu | I feel so uterly stupid, I just can't save them |
| 17:55.18 | omgsavedvarssuck | If I really was as smart as I sound and everyone thinks I am, I could possibly be able to help you |
| 17:55.33 | omgsavedvarssuck | unfortunetly, Im not all that smart |
| 17:56.00 | omgsavedvarssuck | I know, I know, it seems like I am, but Im just really good at type-acting |
| 17:56.32 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 17:57.40 | why | anyway |
| 17:57.50 | why | omg |
| 17:57.58 | why | I can't change back to ToastTheif? |
| 17:58.13 | Toasttheif | ok |
| 17:58.39 | ToastTheif | finally |
| 17:59.17 | ToastTheif | Why is it I can't find anywhere to download the hi res versions of RvB |
| 18:01.10 | ToastTheif | So, are you guys all sleeping? |
| 18:01.15 | Cide | yes |
| 18:01.17 | ToastTheif | or just like... coding |
| 18:01.24 | ToastTheif | oh, Cide is sleeping |
| 18:01.37 | AnduinLothar | i'm sleep coding |
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| 18:01.46 | Verlaine | rawr |
| 18:01.50 | Toast|AFK | haha |
| 18:02.01 | Toast|AFK | I've always wanted to have a " | " in my name! |
| 18:02.41 | embis|afk | lol |
| 18:02.50 | embis|afk | now you are cool |
| 18:02.56 | Toast|AFK | Well anyway, who saw the USC game last night? |
| 18:03.02 | Toast|AFK | because I know I did |
| 18:03.10 | embis|afk | missed it was it sick? |
| 18:03.24 | Toast|AFK | and my conclusion is Reggie Bush is fing AMAZING |
| 18:03.29 | AnduinLothar | still dont know how to change my name w/o going into the options.. |
| 18:03.44 | Toast|AFK | ./nick nameyouwantgoeshere |
| 18:03.55 | AnduinLothar | :) thx |
| 18:04.05 | AnduinLothar | i didn't look to hard |
| 18:04.09 | Tain | 500 yards is absurd. |
| 18:04.30 | Verlaine | regie bush |
| 18:04.33 | Verlaine | 500 yards |
| 18:04.35 | Verlaine | uh? |
| 18:04.41 | Lern2Tain | yeah |
| 18:04.49 | Lern2Tain | he got like 523 yards last night |
| 18:05.01 | Verlaine | atttt? |
| 18:05.09 | Lern2Tain | Fresno State |
| 18:05.14 | Verlaine | what sport |
| 18:05.16 | Lern2Tain | oh |
| 18:05.16 | Verlaine | you ******* |
| 18:05.19 | Verlaine | :P |
| 18:05.21 | Lern2Tain | Football, silly |
| 18:05.24 | Verlaine | lol silly |
| 18:05.30 | Verlaine | I'm a frenchman |
| 18:05.35 | Verlaine | we don't watch football |
| 18:05.41 | Lern2Tain | well, American Football then! |
| 18:05.50 | Lern2Tain | you should, Reggie Bush is amazing |
| 18:06.04 | Verlaine | I don't have a TV |
| 18:06.07 | Lern2Tain | every freaking tome he touches the ball |
| 18:06.19 | UI|Intelligence| | damn too long |
| 18:06.20 | Verlaine | FUCK this add-on is going to KILL me |
| 18:07.02 | Verlaine | ~kill Shouryuu's add-on |
| 18:07.04 | purl | ACTION shoots a ionized neutrino gun at Shouryuu's add-on |
| 18:07.04 | isuckatui | i tried to do |UI|Intelligence|Upload|Failed |
| 18:07.24 | Toast|Ed | muwhahaha |
| 18:07.55 | Toast|Ed | gogogo DA BEARS |
| 18:14.21 | rallion | ...ionized neutrino...that doesn't even make sense... |
| 18:16.42 | Osagasu | ~literal kill |
| 18:16.53 | Osagasu | I dun get it |
| 18:16.54 | Toast|Ed | ASDQWEZXC |
| 18:17.04 | Toast|Ed | ~kill Osagasu |
| 18:17.05 | purl | ACTION shoots a super-inverse proton gun at Osagasu |
| 18:17.19 | Toast|Ed | haha |
| 18:17.22 | Toast|Ed | u lose |
| 18:17.36 | Toast|Ed | ~Win Toast|Ed |
| 18:17.38 | purl | Congratulations, Toast|Ed! You have won a one way ticket to baghdad! |
| 18:17.40 | I_I | unfortunately, we all do |
| 18:17.50 | Toast|Ed | baghdad!? |
| 18:17.51 | I_I | Reverse protons are antimatter. |
| 18:18.03 | I_I | :P |
| 18:18.12 | Toast|Ed | ~win Toast|Ed |
| 18:18.13 | purl | Congratulations, Toast|Ed! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 18:18.20 | Toast|Ed | ='( |
| 18:18.43 | AnduinLothar | move to hawaii, ur be very popular |
| 18:19.29 | Toast|Ed | I wish I lived in Hawaii, with... Keira Knightley |
| 18:19.37 | I_I | antiprotons |
| 18:20.08 | I_I | antimatter, when they come in contact with normal matter, completely transform into energy. |
| 18:20.25 | I_I | BIG boom. |
| 18:20.28 | I_I | we'd ALL be dead. :X |
| 18:20.28 | Toast|Ed | or Charlize Theron, that'd work too |
| 18:21.16 | I_I | Jewel Staite. *purrrrrr* |
| 18:22.25 | Toast|Ed | who is Jewel Staite? |
| 18:24.58 | AnduinLothar | SHOWER CLEAN YAY! |
| 18:25.05 | Toast|Ed | uhh |
| 18:25.13 | Toast|Ed | dude |
| 18:25.15 | Osagasu | plays Kaylee in Firefly |
| 18:25.24 | Toast|Ed | pfft, I googled her |
| 18:25.35 | Toast|Ed | Charlize Theron > her |
| 18:25.42 | futr-sleep | mmmm... Kaylee |
| 18:25.42 | Toast|Ed | Keira Knightley > her |
| 18:25.44 | Toast|Ed | =P |
| 18:25.54 | AnduinLothar | me > her |
| 18:26.42 | Toast|Ed | I agree with futr, mmm Kaylee Horwood |
| 18:26.56 | Osagasu | think what you want |
| 18:27.06 | futr-sleep | no, Kaylee Downer |
| 18:27.18 | Toast|Ed | no no, Kaylee Horwood is amazing =P |
| 18:27.33 | futr-sleep | you'll have to fight me for her |
| 18:28.44 | futr-sleep | perhaps also my girlfriend |
| 18:30.41 | Osagasu | Anduin, you know the offset of Archaeologist for Pet and party frames is off, right? the bottom part of the text is over the frame, so I can't see it |
| 18:33.26 | Toast|Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.38 | Toast|Ed | |
| 18:34.33 | Toast|Ed | hehhehhehhehhehheh |
| 18:35.14 | Toast|Ed | gtg |
| 18:37.47 | Osagasu | thank god. |
| 18:42.14 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 18:42.38 | AnduinLothar | bottom part of what text? |
| 18:43.03 | Osagasu | the HP and MP/Focus text |
| 18:43.09 | Osagasu | on pet frame, at least |
| 18:43.38 | AnduinLothar | take a ss |
| 18:45.42 | AnduinLothar | yay for english "organizationally" |
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| 18:52.30 | AnduinLothar | ya osa, what size do u have the text at? |
| 18:54.47 | Osagasu | 9, why |
| 18:55.36 | AnduinLothar | cause the frame doesn't move, but the text size changes. i think they're centered but with a standard offset |
| 18:55.51 | Osagasu | I got it as close to CT_UF as I could |
| 18:55.54 | Osagasu | meh |
| 18:56.24 | AnduinLothar | cause at the time i didn't want to loop through all the bars and reanchor them |
| 18:56.40 | AnduinLothar | and all the fonts are a lil diff.. |
| 18:57.08 | Osagasu | Well if you aren't gonna chance it just say so so I can suck it up |
| 18:57.16 | Osagasu | ;) |
| 18:57.19 | Osagasu | *change |
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| 18:58.26 | AnduinLothar | i might, just have to know how to make it easy, intuitive and msot compatible |
| 19:05.16 | Industrial | http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=899 |
| 19:07.35 | AnduinLothar | so like telltrack only diff tabs |
| 19:14.28 | Industrial | telltrack? |
| 19:14.45 | Industrial | http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=1763 |
| 19:14.49 | Industrial | im scouting all websites |
| 19:14.52 | Industrial | all categories |
| 19:14.56 | Industrial | for nice addons |
| 19:14.56 | Industrial | :. |
| 19:14.57 | Industrial | :> |
| 19:22.34 | Industrial | woah |
| 19:22.40 | Industrial | they have histograms now o_O |
| 19:22.42 | Industrial | http://www.curse-gaming.com/modscreens.php?id=404 |
| 19:22.44 | Industrial | sick |
| 19:23.56 | AnduinLothar | telltack is yummy, the description is rather lacking tho |
| 19:24.32 | AnduinLothar | http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=102 |
| 19:25.43 | AnduinLothar | some math major/comp had fun makign that |
| 19:26.26 | Industrial | ## OptionalDeps: Khaos, Cosmos, VisibilityOptions, PopNUI, TransNUI, Earth, Sky, ChatTimeStamps, Clock |
| 19:26.29 | Industrial | o_O |
| 19:28.24 | futr-sleep | check out http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4353 ;'] |
| 19:28.37 | AnduinLothar | thus, optional |
| 19:28.51 | AnduinLothar | :) tho it is fun to see how many things i can make optional |
| 19:28.57 | AnduinLothar | and still have zero reqs |
| 19:30.13 | AnduinLothar | Sea wasn't in that list? |
| 19:30.17 | AnduinLothar | it should be |
| 19:32.38 | Industrial | howmuch ram would i save if i'd rip all optional deps code out? (no offense) |
| 19:33.17 | Industrial | hm gunna test http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=66 to use instead of nymbias perl unit frames (still the best atm) |
| 19:35.24 | AnduinLothar | ram? a few k maybe |
| 19:35.45 | futr-sleep | how do I send memos on this thing? |
| 19:36.15 | AnduinLothar | tho i need to make the earth menu code a new embedable addon cause the telltrack menu is goodness but i dont wanna code it using the regular menu code |
| 19:37.19 | Industrial | i dont see the use of adding earth/sea as a dependency to these kinds of things, or things at all. |
| 19:37.29 | Industrial | (or ace, for that matter) |
| 19:37.48 | Industrial | if you arent making it with it, why add an option to do the same thing with the library |
| 19:39.29 | AnduinLothar | um... cause it's better with the lib |
| 19:39.37 | Industrial | id say make the whole thing with a library, thus the use of the library |
| 19:39.39 | Industrial | or not at all |
| 19:39.48 | AnduinLothar | ... |
| 19:39.51 | AnduinLothar | no no no |
| 19:41.08 | Industrial | what do function libraries add to an addon that works without them? doing the exact same thing but then with library functions? see my last statement :> |
| 19:41.11 | AnduinLothar | either u make it req the lib and people complain about the lib, or u make it w/o the lib and the people complain about bloat, or you make it less functional w/o the lib so they can still use basic functionality but have more features if they get the lib |
| 19:41.28 | Industrial | features like? |
| 19:41.34 | AnduinLothar | like the menu |
| 19:41.38 | AnduinLothar | and gui options |
| 19:41.48 | AnduinLothar | and visibility options |
| 19:41.57 | Industrial | hmm ok, i get your point |
| 19:41.59 | AnduinLothar | and time stamping compatibility |
| 19:42.34 | AnduinLothar | it works fine standalone, it works better with libs |
| 19:42.37 | Tain | Of course it does also add to the false idea that some people have that dependancies are a bad thing. |
| 19:42.59 | Industrial | yep |
| 19:43.29 | Industrial | although i am against compilations, i feel like making a compilation. |
| 19:43.42 | Industrial | "Doing it the right way", but ofcource there isnt a right way |
| 19:44.02 | Industrial | and it only means a lot of work - time, wich i dont have :| |
| 19:44.17 | Tain | Yeah, there's no "right way." There's just the, "right way" for me. And you, and the other guy, and that other girl over there and... |
| 19:44.32 | Industrial | yep |
| 19:44.45 | Industrial | i could also just add a thing here, remove some options there... |
| 19:44.51 | Tain | Then there's that other guy who thinks his way is the right way, but he's just wrong. |
| 19:44.56 | Industrial | i was thinking.. why have 3 addons for the chatting |
| 19:45.03 | AnduinLothar | or there's God's way, but then people start getting offended |
| 19:45.18 | Industrial | AnduinLothar: oooooo no no no no no |
| 19:45.22 | Industrial | AnduinLothar: exactly |
| 19:45.25 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 19:45.44 | AnduinLothar | i'm a pally, can't i fight for what's right? |
| 19:45.55 | Tain | There's also gods' ways, and there's lots of differences there. |
| 19:45.55 | Industrial | i could make the timestamp addon i have without the options. i just want one! 24 hour format. |
| 19:46.12 | Industrial | AnduinLothar: well my shaman god > yours |
| 19:46.13 | Industrial | brb |
| 19:46.14 | Tain | But but.. why not use chatscroll? |
| 19:46.18 | Tain | Chatscroll is the best! |
| 19:46.33 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 19:46.37 | AnduinLothar | mine is better |
| 19:47.20 | Tain | Yes yes, of course it is. |
| 19:47.49 | AnduinLothar | :-D |
| 19:47.55 | AnduinLothar | glad be agree |
| 19:48.07 | Cair | *chuckles* |
| 19:48.10 | AnduinLothar | i dont have to smite you with holy wrath now |
| 19:48.47 | AnduinLothar | that's focussed holy wrath btw, not this weak aoe junk |
| 19:49.04 | Tain | Nope, no smiting will go on here. Unless I installed some of your addons, then my system would be smited thoroughly. ;) |
| 19:49.04 | AnduinLothar | 2k damage right on ur head |
| 19:49.38 | AnduinLothar | actually most of them play nice with ace. tho timex isn't compatible with my new chronos |
| 19:50.11 | Tain | Oh probably, it's just a personal choice. |
| 19:50.34 | AnduinLothar | ya, people often decide they hate me and thus wont use my addons |
| 19:51.56 | AnduinLothar | O.o and then there's those that use my addons and then they decide they hate me |
| 19:53.20 | Tain | Oh, although I would allow such a thing to pursuade me, I actually just don't like your coding style. Which is not to say I think it's wrong, I just don't like the way certain things are done so I use things that I think work more to my liking. |
| 19:53.20 | AnduinLothar | oh, and dont forget the, "Uh oh, he writes for Cosmos doesn't he? His addons must suck." stigma |
| 19:53.20 | AnduinLothar | functionality isn't always dependant on coding style |
| 19:53.34 | AnduinLothar | and i doubt u care much about the coding style actually, prolly just the functionality |
| 19:53.43 | Tain | Actually I don't have anything against Cosmos other than the fact that I don't use it because of the way it's coded as well. |
| 19:54.11 | Tain | I also don't evangalize about Ace, I just choose to use it myself. |
| 19:54.13 | AnduinLothar | mmm, you're using those phrases interchangably |
| 19:54.25 | Tain | Which phrases? |
| 19:54.30 | AnduinLothar | I do not think that phrase means what you think it means |
| 19:54.49 | AnduinLothar | "coding style" and "functionality" |
| 19:54.59 | Tain | You are using them interchangably |
| 19:55.05 | Tain | I never said anything about funtionality. |
| 19:55.29 | AnduinLothar | no, but i dont think u mean coding style, by your usage |
| 19:55.44 | Tain | Ok, but that is what I mean. |
| 19:56.08 | AnduinLothar | "things that I think work more to my liking |
| 19:56.13 | AnduinLothar | = functionality |
| 19:56.17 | Tain | In code. |
| 19:56.28 | Tain | Not the end result of the functionality. |
| 19:56.50 | AnduinLothar | mmm, have you ever suggested a change? |
| 19:57.56 | Tain | Nope. |
| 19:58.31 | AnduinLothar | well then i dont think it's a very good reason to say u dont like my style |
| 19:58.57 | Tain | I'm not sure why you say that. I can not like something without wishing to change it. |
| 19:59.13 | Tain | That's personal preference. |
| 19:59.15 | AnduinLothar | you use other things with similar functionality? |
| 19:59.32 | Tain | It's not my place to try to force someone else to change simply to suit my likings. That's just wrong. |
| 19:59.43 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 19:59.51 | AnduinLothar | i never asked u to force me |
| 20:00.02 | AnduinLothar | but i do take suggestions |
| 20:00.39 | Tain | To be honest you've argued with people about suggestions (in this channel) more than considering whether or not they have merit. |
| 20:01.02 | AnduinLothar | that's usually how i filter them out for merit |
| 20:01.12 | AnduinLothar | granted, it's rather agressive |
| 20:01.37 | Industrial | Tain: why not chatscroll? because i want to make idChat that has one timestamp by default in militairy format (2101) and uses some sort of hitsmode display, but also only one. there will be no options and it will be SMALL and to MY liking. |
| 20:01.42 | Tain | The amount of time and effort it takes to try to get something through isn't worth it when there are simply other options. |
| 20:02.11 | Industrial | Tain: see my point? |
| 20:02.14 | Tain | Yeah Industrial, that makes sense. |
| 20:02.34 | Industrial | im a programmer, so i dont need usability. usability is what you make |
| 20:02.36 | Tain | I've done the same in some cases, just paring down things to my specific settings. |
| 20:02.43 | Industrial | yeah |
| 20:03.13 | Tain | But I still like pretty much every function of Chatscroll. :D |
| 20:03.25 | Industrial | sure sure, im not going to rewrite things :> |
| 20:03.37 | Industrial | reinventing the wheel = bad |
| 20:03.58 | AnduinLothar | sometimes |
| 20:04.09 | Industrial | yeah, sometimes.. depends ont he project |
| 20:04.17 | AnduinLothar | i like attackign the wheel with various tools actually |
| 20:04.21 | Industrial | but first i have to get to learn this lua / wow xml thing |
| 20:04.32 | AnduinLothar | but not actually makign the wheel from scratch |
| 20:05.15 | Tain | WoW xml makes me cry. |
| 20:05.17 | Industrial | Tain: http://wowace.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=9896#9896 |
| 20:05.43 | Tain | Just because Blizzard didn't do things the same way throughout. |
| 20:05.52 | AnduinLothar | what was the last argument here i had about a feature in one of my addons tain. i'm currious what sticks in your mind to define my personality |
| 20:05.57 | Industrial | Tain: try using an application that takes blizzards xml schema files and intellisenses for you |
| 20:06.19 | Industrial | Tain: any idea on my little ace problem? |
| 20:06.21 | Industrial | >_> |
| 20:10.00 | Cair | Karl: what was the last argument here i had about a feature in one of my addons tain. i'm currious what sticks in your mind to define my personality |
| 20:10.19 | Cair | Remember, if you ask a question like that, then you need to be prepared to hear the answer |
| 20:10.51 | AnduinLothar | well i have some holy wrath around here somewhere... |
| 20:11.31 | AnduinLothar | lemme find some restraining straps.. |
| 20:11.31 | AnduinLothar | a finger puzzle or tow.. |
| 20:11.31 | AnduinLothar | two* |
| 20:12.53 | AnduinLothar | i wouldn't have asked if i didn't want to know |
| 20:13.05 | AnduinLothar | if i'm an ass, tell me i'm an ass |
| 20:13.33 | AnduinLothar | if i don't take critisizm well, tell me i don't take critisizm well |
| 20:13.34 | Tain | Industrial: I think you still need a idFrameUnit:Initialize() function defined. I could be wrong, but I know Ace looks for it when it loads an addon. |
| 20:13.52 | AnduinLothar | if i cant' spell. don't tell me. i know that already |
| 20:14.36 | Cair | afk a few, back shortly |
| 20:15.05 | Tain | The days worth of hooking discussions were, in my opinion, mostly consisting of various people trying to explain their views, and you telling them you were already doing it better without even understanding what was being said. |
| 20:15.33 | Tain | And I say that because later on in the conversations you would change your statements as you seemed to understand more, instead of the initial dismissals out of hand. |
| 20:16.51 | AnduinLothar | so i assumed i knew what they were talking about in order to tell them I had already done that in order to show off? |
| 20:17.06 | Tain | That's a pretty succint explaintion. |
| 20:17.31 | kergoth | seems typical. this isnt the first time |
| 20:17.52 | Tain | There's really very few ideas that get brought up without you saying you've already handled that with x or y. |
| 20:17.54 | Industrial | Tain: do'h, i'm calling it enable.. |
| 20:18.03 | Tain | Even when they're not directed at you. |
| 20:18.16 | Industrial | is there also some "destruct" function ace looks for? |
| 20:18.20 | Industrial | :) |
| 20:18.24 | AnduinLothar | so you think i'm an arrogant prick who thinks he knows everything? |
| 20:18.26 | Nomad_Wanderer | Actually, I'm looking for someone to say "Yep, I've done that before". |
| 20:18.48 | Tain | Ind: By default there are :Enable() and :Disable() functions, but I don't know if they're required or not. |
| 20:18.52 | kergoth | AnduinLothar: thats how you appear, yep. |
| 20:18.59 | Industrial | Tain: i have those =( |
| 20:19.00 | AnduinLothar | hmmm |
| 20:19.01 | Nomad_Wanderer | I'm trying to return some data, when someone whispers me a command that has an item link in it. "/w malt raidpoints item [The Eye of Divinity]" |
| 20:19.06 | AnduinLothar | that' sno good |
| 20:19.33 | AnduinLothar | i'll have to stop being an arrogant prick then, eh?> |
| 20:19.44 | Tain | Actually I don't think you come across as if you know everything. But you do come across as feeling like you know more about specific topics. |
| 20:20.02 | Tain | I think I have actually seen you say you don't know about something specific, so that wouldn't be fair to say everything. :) |
| 20:20.05 | Nomad_Wanderer | But I can't seem to find the item in the whisper... I can't get "local sName, sLink, iQuality, iLevel, sType, sSubType, iCount = GetItemInfo(trimmedWhisper);" |
| 20:20.09 | Nomad_Wanderer | to work. |
| 20:20.15 | AnduinLothar | mmk, and even if i do actually know more you think i should be more humble about it |
| 20:21.01 | Tain | I think you should participate in the discussions about it without assuming right off the bat that you do know more. Or actually in most cases it's not about knowing more or knowing best, it's acknowledging there are multiple wasy to do things. |
| 20:21.12 | Tain | And that one was is not necessarily "better" than another. |
| 20:21.26 | AnduinLothar | sometimes it is |
| 20:21.32 | Nomad_Wanderer | Has anyone done any work with Itemlinks and chat? |
| 20:21.39 | Tain | Not I, Nomad. :( |
| 20:21.51 | kergoth | then back it up with facts. dont sit and try to feel better about yourself |
| 20:22.09 | Tain | Despite the fact that coding is technical, there's a lot of room for objectivity. Especially in an interpreted language. |
| 20:22.09 | Nomad_Wanderer | I've started reading Lootlink.lua, but it's humongous. I thought I found what i needed, but i was wrong. |
| 20:22.22 | AnduinLothar | what kind of facts would you like, and how would i go about spewing them? |
| 20:22.27 | Nomad_Wanderer | Yep.. I'm a tab indenter myself. |
| 20:22.35 | Nomad_Wanderer | all you 3 and 5 spacers are horrible! |
| 20:22.43 | Nomad_Wanderer | hehehe |
| 20:22.52 | AnduinLothar | tab is 'better' ;) |
| 20:22.53 | Tain | haha we had that discussion with some people a few weeks back. |
| 20:23.15 | kergoth | thats an opinion, not a fact |
| 20:23.20 | kergoth | perhaps you should learn the difference. |
| 20:23.32 | Tain | Of course I'm a tab person, and a firm believer in not using semi-colons in Lua. |
| 20:23.36 | AnduinLothar | if it came out of a human then it is an oppinion |
| 20:24.09 | AnduinLothar | that's how they taught to read at whatever school i went to |
| 20:24.23 | Tain | But that goes directly against your earlier statement that someone doing something a certain way in code is better than another way. |
| 20:24.31 | Tain | Or, "can be." |
| 20:24.33 | AnduinLothar | they taught to write as if u know and read as if it's not proven |
| 20:24.34 | Industrial | Tain Of course I'm a tab person, and a firm believer in not using semi-colons in Lua. |
| 20:24.35 | Industrial | amen |
| 20:25.09 | Nomad_Wanderer | Heretics! All of you! |
| 20:25.11 | Nomad_Wanderer | lol |
| 20:25.26 | Amicester | I think the fact that it doesn't matter, makes you all crazy. |
| 20:25.30 | AnduinLothar | so if anythign i'm a prduct of my education and environment, which obviously you all dont share |
| 20:25.46 | kergoth | i like how he blames everything rather than accepting any responsibility |
| 20:25.47 | kergoth | its amusing |
| 20:25.52 | Industrial | Amicester: correct, if it would matter no-one would care because there was no option |
| 20:25.58 | AnduinLothar | :) learned that too |
| 20:26.16 | Amicester | kergoth: I love how you call other people arrogant pricks when 90% of the stuff out of your mouth is snarky =P |
| 20:26.19 | Industrial | wouldn't* |
| 20:26.19 | Tain | Anduin: That's an example of arrogance. |
| 20:26.32 | kergoth | Amicester: i never claimed to be anything but an asshole. i am. absolutely. |
| 20:26.33 | Industrial | Amicester, kergoth ooooo jerry jerry |
| 20:26.37 | Industrial | :D |
| 20:26.52 | AnduinLothar | never said i wasn't arrogant, but thx for poiting it out. which part exactly? |
| 20:27.13 | AnduinLothar | ya ker, where do u live? |
| 20:27.19 | Amicester | If you know you're an asshole opening your mouth with criticism, opinion, or fact, is just a blatant point of your own ignorance. Nobody wants to listen to an asshole. |
| 20:27.26 | Amicester | Surely not me. |
| 20:27.42 | AnduinLothar | if i were an asshole i'd tell u to close your ears |
| 20:28.13 | kergoth | Amicester: hm? being an asshole and speaking doesnt imply ignorance. |
| 20:28.25 | AnduinLothar | could be gassy |
| 20:28.31 | kergoth | my dad's an asshole, and knows a fair bit about some things, and not about others |
| 20:28.37 | Amicester | Sure it does, when you confirm the fact that you know that you are an asshole, it means what you're saying is coming from a non reputable source. |
| 20:28.37 | kergoth | the same is true for me |
| 20:28.55 | Amicester | It wastes time and energy listening to it. |
| 20:29.02 | kergoth | that isn't the case. you're the one assuming that being an asshole means what you have to say is incorrect |
| 20:29.04 | Tain | Except when it's amusing. |
| 20:29.09 | kergoth | which is a rather large assumption |
| 20:29.12 | Amicester | I'm not assuming its incorrect at all. |
| 20:29.20 | Amicester | I'm assuming that nobody wants to hear it because of the way that its said. |
| 20:29.24 | AnduinLothar | hearing and listening are tow different things, requiring different amounts of energy |
| 20:29.26 | futrtrubl | what will Cair say to this conversation? |
| 20:29.36 | AnduinLothar | she left, have at it |
| 20:29.40 | kergoth | no offense, but if you don't want to hear what i say because of how I say it, dont. |
| 20:29.42 | Amicester | I don't know, if this was in #Feathermoon I'd have kicked both of us. |
| 20:29.44 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.58 | Amicester | Indeed it is. |
| 20:30.11 | AnduinLothar | kergoth> where do u live? |
| 20:30.13 | Tain | Ah see, I think people are too itchy to kick people on irc in general. |
| 20:30.16 | AnduinLothar | and u tain? |
| 20:30.27 | Amicester | We went 6 months without kicking anyone. |
| 20:30.36 | Amicester | Because people weren't being assholes. |
| 20:30.37 | AnduinLothar | i'm currious if i can blame u on ur environment |
| 20:30.41 | Tain | There's still healthy discussion going on, this is a community and no community has everyone loving each other. |
| 20:30.58 | AnduinLothar | it might make me more tollerant |
| 20:31.11 | AnduinLothar | having something other than u to blame for u |
| 20:31.16 | kergoth | it wont make you any less arrogant. |
| 20:31.23 | AnduinLothar | no prolly not |
| 20:31.24 | Tain | The fact that you feel the need to, "blame" me for anything is really the issue. |
| 20:31.41 | kergoth | blame me for me. dont seek other solutions. i'm an asshole for my own reasons. |
| 20:31.54 | kergoth | and the fact is, i'm an incredibly nice guy to people i respect. respect is earned. |
| 20:32.00 | AnduinLothar | hmmm, i doubt it, but then i enjoy being contrary |
| 20:32.01 | kergoth | for everyone else.. well.. sorry |
| 20:32.11 | Amicester | Just please stop criticizing someone else for something when you yourself have obvious flaws you don't care to correct, I mean it just doesn't make any sense. If you want other people to be a better person, just become on yourself. Eventually if everyone concentrated more on themselves we'd all be better people. |
| 20:32.27 | AnduinLothar | who was that to? |
| 20:32.29 | kergoth | Everyone has flaws. |
| 20:32.30 | Amicester | Everyone. |
| 20:32.33 | AnduinLothar | k |
| 20:32.39 | Tain | Amicester: I agree that is probably the case, but it wouldn't be possible. |
| 20:32.40 | kergoth | some are more troublesome than others |
| 20:33.03 | kergoth | I rather like my flaws, myself. |
| 20:33.06 | AnduinLothar | if i concenttrate more on me i think i'll kill myself |
| 20:33.08 | Tain | People are inherently flawed. You can try your best to improve yourself, but no one will ever be perfect, so there will always be conflict. |
| 20:33.53 | Amicester | Well right. So someone that knows they're an asshole should just continue to be an asshole and not attempt to not be an asshole, the whole time tearing down other people for having flaws. |
| 20:34.04 | Tain | See now if you tout your education and upbringing as some of the reasons for the way you are today, I'd instantly question them because of your use of, 'u' and 'ur'. |
| 20:34.12 | Amicester | Shouldn't they themselves try not to be an asshole, then attempt to assist someone else in homing in on their flaws. |
| 20:34.22 | AnduinLothar | i liek to pretend i dont care about death, but i don't want to hurt my friends and family. it keeps me warm at night and alive |
| 20:34.29 | Tain | My own education taught me those are not words, and despite what millions of people think they will never be acceptible to me. |
| 20:34.34 | kergoth | Which is what we're doing here. Now anduin is aware that he comes off as arrogant. |
| 20:34.38 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 20:34.41 | kergoth | I'm not tearing him down for it |
| 20:34.44 | AnduinLothar | so now who's arrogant? |
| 20:34.47 | kergoth | i'm an ass, he's arrogant. there it is. |
| 20:35.36 | AnduinLothar | i use u cause i'm a slow typer and never bothered to learn to touch type. |
| 20:36.25 | AnduinLothar | which, last time i read was a large percentage of computer users (not touch typing). tho i'm sure not all of them use u |
| 20:36.38 | AnduinLothar | so maybe it's not the only reason |
| 20:36.41 | AnduinLothar | or excuse |
| 20:36.45 | AnduinLothar | as the case may be |
| 20:36.59 | Osagasu | I think I was drugged earlier... |
| 20:37.11 | Osagasu | I'm downloading SWG right now. O.o |
| 20:37.12 | AnduinLothar | with what? got any more? |
| 20:37.30 | AnduinLothar | i need to do some drugs.. |
| 20:37.36 | Tain | It would take something really strong to make me play SWG agian. |
| 20:37.43 | Nomad_Wanderer | Okay... finally found this in Lootlink.lua if anyone else asks, |for color, item, name in string.gfind(text, "|c(%x+)|Hitem:(%d+:%d+:%d+:%d+)|h%[(.-)%]|h|r") do| that will get you Item info from Itemlinks in chat. |
| 20:37.47 | AnduinLothar | maybe i'll go get my 6th can of mt dew for the day |
| 20:38.03 | AnduinLothar | oh ya.... um... sorry |
| 20:38.11 | AnduinLothar | nm |
| 20:38.17 | AnduinLothar | <-- shuts up |
| 20:41.18 | Industrial | mt dew wots that |
| 20:41.34 | Industrial | bull-it energy drink ftw |
| 20:41.35 | Industrial | :D |
| 20:41.59 | AnduinLothar | i just wanted to point out that i have no desire to be an arrogant prick and that if you indeed point it out to me in a kind way i like to think i will take it into account |
| 20:43.05 | AnduinLothar | although that is not meant to imply that it is your obligation ro responsibility. it is merely a request to help improve my personality if possible |
| 20:44.02 | kergoth | well, that's awfully considerate. thanks. i doubt i'll stop being an asshole, but feel free to call me on it, it might help |
| 20:44.03 | AnduinLothar | admission of a problem, and if not fault, at least responsibility |
| 20:44.07 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:44.55 | AnduinLothar | i need to get out more and see 'real' people.. |
| 20:45.15 | AnduinLothar | cept i piss them off too :/ |
| 20:45.20 | Industrial | I just want to say that unless you are attacking eachother this topic shouldnt be. I know no-one dislikes me, because i dont dislike anyone, i always back my opinions up with reasons (preference may be one too) and im never offensive. |
| 20:45.48 | kergoth | AnduinLothar: unfortunately people tend to suck no matter how you interface with them :\ |
| 20:46.04 | kergoth | and naturally i'm no exception :P |
| 20:46.08 | AnduinLothar | seems to be the case |
| 20:46.26 | kergoth | anyway... so how about that lua? |
| 20:46.34 | Tain | ~hug lua |
| 20:46.36 | purl | ACTION hugs lua |
| 20:46.36 | AnduinLothar | i was just sad that ace and ct and cosmos peeps couldn't just all get along |
| 20:46.57 | AnduinLothar | and all contribute to my project ;) |
| 20:47.03 | kergoth | imho healthy competition is good. folks have different development styles and methodologies |
| 20:47.10 | Industrial | Q: if i delete a folder of an addon thats loaded into memory and reload the ui will it be gone or will wow crash |
| 20:47.13 | kergoth | they should find what best suits them |
| 20:47.17 | Tain | I think people get along ok, there's too much emphasis put on Ace vs Cosmos vs etc. etc. etc. |
| 20:47.23 | AnduinLothar | mm, should eb gone |
| 20:47.45 | AnduinLothar | or used to be anyway, last time i did it which was before they started checkign toc's |
| 20:47.56 | Industrial | actually im thinking of not even using ace... |
| 20:48.03 | Industrial | with my addons |
| 20:48.04 | Industrial | :> |
| 20:48.57 | AnduinLothar | problem is i spend a LOT of time developing for cosmos... if becomes like a part of me and i feel hurt when it is disliked or insulted |
| 20:49.12 | AnduinLothar | i need a new hobby.. |
| 20:49.13 | kergoth | AnduinLothar: yeah, i think thats part of the problem. people tend to start taking things too personally |
| 20:49.19 | Cair | Which is why I created this channel, in no small part, so that the folks from the various "school of thought" could get together in a "neutral" place and actually try to learn from each other, so that the entire community is better as a whole ........ and, I don't have a problem with the conversation that just went on, as evidenced by the fact that I allowed it to happen in the first place by making sure that And |
| 20:49.43 | kergoth | 'making sure that And' .. i think you got cut off, cair |
| 20:49.46 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ToastTheif (i=ToastThe@24-177-151-62.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) |
| 20:49.46 | AnduinLothar | woot, truncation |
| 20:49.56 | kergoth | hey ToastTheif |
| 20:49.58 | Cair | making sure that AnduinLothar realized what he was asking and was prepared to deal with the answer |
| 20:50.17 | ToastTheif | what's going on |
| 20:50.20 | AnduinLothar | i like askign questions... one of the good things i learnign in school |
| 20:50.38 | AnduinLothar | damn... my n and g need to be swapped on the keyboard.. |
| 20:50.53 | Cair | We can all be assholes by times, I know I certainly can be |
| 20:51.10 | Industrial | Cair: hah |
| 20:51.32 | Cair | But if we can accept the fact that when someone calls us an asshole, maybe we need to take a step back and look at our own behaviour, we may see that they are in fact correct and we are acting like an asshole |
| 20:51.44 | AnduinLothar | ya, but ur a pretty asshole so people forgive u more *blatent sexist excuse* |
| 20:52.02 | Cair | We can all be arrogant, self-righteous, pompous |
| 20:52.25 | Cair | The thing is, to not belittle someone else for their opinion, but to try to understand it |
| 20:52.39 | Cair | and at the very least, to agree to disagree, without putting them down for it |
| 20:52.58 | Industrial | I know no-one dislikes me, because i dont dislike anyone, i always back my opinions up with reasons (preference may be one too) and im never offensive. |
| 20:52.59 | Cair | So sayeth the Cairenn |
| 20:53.05 | AnduinLothar | which is kinda what i have been trying to do with SeaHooks by getting everyone i can to look at it and critique |
| 20:53.37 | AnduinLothar | ur repeating urself.. how offensive.. |
| 20:53.39 | kergoth | AnduinLothar: did you get those suggested changes by iriel in? |
| 20:53.53 | AnduinLothar | some of them. couldn't get the other to work right |
| 20:53.55 | Cair | Except, Karl, that frequently your "requests" for critique and your response to said, comes across as dismissive |
| 20:54.00 | kergoth | i'll review the code if you like, havent done so yet |
| 20:54.35 | AnduinLothar | k, i need to get iriel in to fix his part, but i can send u what i got, need to send clad a copy too |
| 20:54.47 | ToastTheif | I don't like you Tain, you don't talk to me enough =( |
| 20:54.52 | Cair | I am not saying you intend it to come across that way, I've no idea what you "intend", but it frequently *does* come across that way |
| 20:55.22 | AnduinLothar | prolly a habitual way to avoid explaination |
| 20:55.29 | Industrial | ToastTheif: hah! |
| 20:55.41 | Tain | There's only so much of me to go around! |
| 20:55.46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:55.57 | ToastTheif | so wait, if I think somone needs to step back and look at what their doing, I call them an asshole? |
| 20:56.06 | AnduinLothar | cept i'm working on movifying my lightsaber atm.. |
| 20:56.09 | kergoth | AnduinLothar: send the current code to clarson@elinux.org or kergoth@handhelds.org and i'll take a look |
| 20:56.31 | AnduinLothar | lol, why give em options... i don't need them ;) |
| 20:56.35 | Cair | Yet, if you really want (positive) criticism, then you need to accept it, not dismiss it out of hand |
| 20:56.41 | kergoth | my knowledge of the wow apis is pretty weak, but i do know lua fairly well |
| 20:57.50 | AnduinLothar | mmm, possibly cair. it may not be a good thing, but i'd like u to know that often times i will consider slowly things i have critisized and change my mind about them |
| 20:58.09 | AnduinLothar | for example, i'm writting an embedded addon |
| 20:58.28 | Amicester | Thats constructive. |
| 20:58.29 | AnduinLothar | which i have openly criticized before |
| 20:58.40 | Tain | That is the case sometimes, but it's the inital responses that people will remember most. |
| 20:59.05 | Amicester | People care too much. |
| 20:59.07 | ToastTheif | ~kick somone |
| 20:59.08 | purl | bugger off sod! |
| 20:59.13 | ToastTheif | :O |
| 20:59.15 | AnduinLothar | it's always been how i work, not really sure why or if it even needs changing |
| 20:59.26 | ToastTheif | ~shoot me |
| 20:59.27 | purl | ACTION shoots toasttheif in the foot with a quantum singularity weapon! |
| 20:59.33 | ToastTheif | ouchy |
| 20:59.44 | Tain | It doesn't *need* changing, just know what the consequences are. |
| 20:59.47 | AnduinLothar | oo, i wan tone |
| 20:59.59 | AnduinLothar | thus, why i asked |
| 21:00.23 | Amicester | Well when it comes to code criticism. Pretend its their baby. You wouldn't tell them they had an ugly baby would you? =P |
| 21:00.32 | AnduinLothar | if i can't be perfect i'll at least try to balence things out a bit |
| 21:00.45 | AnduinLothar | right amic |
| 21:00.52 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=Matt@adsl-1-74-197.lft.bellsouth.net) |
| 21:00.59 | AnduinLothar | my babies get criticized a lot |
| 21:01.15 | ToastTheif | The All Mighty Tem is here |
| 21:01.26 | ToastTheif | All Mighy Tem, USC owns you. |
| 21:01.45 | AnduinLothar | what was i doing.. |
| 21:01.48 | Cair | And people can understand that. *BUT*, if the creator of the baby *asks* for critique, then they should bloody well be ready to accept said critique, otherwise they shouldn't have asked in the first place |
| 21:01.51 | AnduinLothar | u guys are distracting |
| 21:01.54 | ToastTheif | Reggie bush is God! |
| 21:02.05 | Amicester | Yeah I prefer it straight up. |
| 21:02.11 | Tain | I'v etold people their babies are ugly, actually. |
| 21:02.13 | Amicester | If it makes you vomit on your shoes, by all means. |
| 21:02.15 | Amicester | Vomit away. |
| 21:02.31 | kergoth | If they're going to be defensive about their code and not accept criticism, then their code won't improve based on people's suggestions.. It's their choice to keep development closed rather than open. |
| 21:02.33 | kergoth | imho of course |
| 21:02.34 | AnduinLothar | oh, writing down email |
| 21:02.50 | Tem | Reggie Bush is graduating |
| 21:03.00 | Tem | (our good players aren't) |
| 21:03.04 | ToastTheif | roflcopters, da bears defnese onws all, carlonia is uncoool |
| 21:03.05 | Tem | bye bye USC |
| 21:03.14 | ToastTheif | umm no, USC is DEEP |
| 21:03.22 | ToastTheif | they have the talent to stay aliiiiiive |
| 21:03.26 | Tem | psh |
| 21:03.28 | Tem | We'll see |
| 21:03.33 | kergoth | did you just write roflcopters? that makes me want to stab out my eyes |
| 21:03.34 | ToastTheif | maybe not win another national championship |
| 21:03.35 | Amicester | This is the same mechanic that defines certain roleplayers as elitists, because others cannot their accept criticism, yet beg for it. |
| 21:03.49 | ToastTheif | Yes Ker, I did |
| 21:03.49 | Amicester | And then when its not all positive, they label them. |
| 21:04.04 | Tain | There are certain roleplayers who are elitist. |
| 21:04.22 | Tain | There are certain people in anything who are elitist. |
| 21:04.32 | AnduinLothar | ~stab kergoth |
| 21:04.34 | purl | ACTION runs at kergoth with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 21:04.34 | Amicester | Right. |
| 21:04.39 | AnduinLothar | no, no.. in the eyes |
| 21:04.40 | kergoth | ow |
| 21:04.47 | kergoth | that stings |
| 21:04.54 | Nomad_Wanderer | purl, why? |
| 21:04.55 | purl | Because! |
| 21:04.57 | Tain | I got a papercut on my knuckle yesterday. :( |
| 21:05.00 | kergoth | haha |
| 21:05.01 | kergoth | ~botsnack |
| 21:05.01 | purl | kergoth: thanks |
| 21:05.19 | kergoth | Tain: :( |
| 21:05.53 | ToastTheif | I loved that game last night Tem |
| 21:05.58 | ToastTheif | amazzzing |
| 21:06.13 | ToastTheif | 523 all purpose hards by Reggie |
| 21:06.27 | ToastTheif | EraphineDisco, 513 |
| 21:06.34 | ToastTheif | wtf lol |
| 21:06.39 | ToastTheif | stupid auto name complete |
| 21:06.40 | Tain | Not as impressive as Al "Crazy Legs" bundy |
| 21:06.57 | ToastTheif | 513 is the record for one game Tain =P |
| 21:07.16 | ToastTheif | oh and Tem, Bush is a senior |
| 21:07.19 | ToastTheif | EraphineDisco, junior |
| 21:07.23 | ToastTheif | OMG |
| 21:07.29 | ToastTheif | EraphineDisco, senior* |
| 21:07.33 | ToastTheif | AHHHHHHHHH |
| 21:07.37 | AnduinLothar | lol auto complete |
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| 21:07.44 | ToastTheif | every time I type "ER" |
| 21:07.50 | ToastTheif | ok |
| 21:07.53 | ToastTheif | let me start over |
| 21:07.59 | ToastTheif | Reggie Bush is a junior |
| 21:08.10 | ToastTheif | the only way he will leave is because of the draft ;) |
| 21:08.14 | Tain | You think he won't? |
| 21:08.36 | ToastTheif | I hope he wont :( |
| 21:08.40 | Tain | He'll go 2 behind Leinart if he just finishes the season half decent. |
| 21:08.56 | Tem | I hope he won't either, I hate the little bastard |
| 21:09.18 | Tem | the longer it takes him to make millions of dollars for playing a GAME the better |
| 21:11.06 | ToastTheif | next year Texas is gonna own =( |
| 21:11.23 | Tem | Oh and that's part of what I hate about the big 10 |
| 21:11.27 | Tem | no defence all offence |
| 21:11.31 | Tem | SEC is all about defence |
| 21:11.53 | ToastTheif | blah, ALL Michigan teams got DOMINATED yesterday |
| 21:12.21 | ToastTheif | Mich St got killed by Penn ST, Mich lost on the last drive of the game to fucking Ohio ST... |
| 21:12.36 | ToastTheif | Mich ST basketball lost to FREAKING HAWAII |
| 21:13.00 | ToastTheif | and Detriot Pistons had their first loss of the season to dallas... 89-119...... |
| 21:13.04 | AnduinLothar | not really a sportz guy |
| 21:13.24 | ToastTheif | I just hope the Lions can beat Dallas... but that won't happen |
| 21:13.42 | kergoth | the only sport i'll watch is boxing, really |
| 21:14.23 | ToastTheif | oh wait, the Lions already lost 20-7... |
| 21:15.23 | ToastTheif | least Da Bears owned the panthers |
| 21:18.57 | AnduinLothar | wow.. i like mpeg4... |
| 21:19.17 | ToastTheif | for audio? or video? or all around? |
| 21:19.23 | AnduinLothar | video atm |
| 21:19.36 | kergoth | i'm an xvid fan, myself |
| 21:19.38 | ToastTheif | mm, I've been trying to find a good program to use, what are you using? |
| 21:19.48 | AnduinLothar | 44 meg mov animation file is now 1 meg |
| 21:20.02 | ToastTheif | what did u use to convert it? |
| 21:20.46 | AnduinLothar | oh i just was using the options in my screen capture util. but usually i would use command line... mmmm the mplayer twin |
| 21:20.53 | AnduinLothar | forgot the name |
| 21:21.07 | kergoth | mencoder? |
| 21:21.10 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 21:21.19 | AnduinLothar | that's what ive used in the past |
| 21:21.25 | kergoth | yeah, that works well. i've often used transcode, which iirc is just a shell script around mencoder |
| 21:21.27 | AnduinLothar | there's a mac gui for it |
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| 21:22.00 | ToastTheif | ~wtf iirc |
| 21:22.24 | ToastTheif | I found this cool site |
| 21:22.42 | ToastTheif | well, the program is cool anyway |
| 21:22.52 | ToastTheif | http://handbrake.m0k.org/index.php |
| 21:23.10 | ToastTheif | but it's only for mac and linux |
| 21:23.26 | Nomad_Wanderer | Hey.. can keys in a bag have spaces in their names? |
| 21:23.57 | kergoth | in a lua table? keys can be any lua variable. any lua string, regardless of content, functions, tables, whatever |
| 21:24.13 | kergoth | mytable["this is a test"] = "whee" |
| 21:24.13 | Nomad_Wanderer | Thanks. |
| 21:24.22 | Nomad_Wanderer | purl, whee? |
| 21:24.24 | purl | ACTION sticks its fingers up its nose and goes "Wheeeeee!" |
| 21:24.24 | kergoth | np |
| 21:24.29 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:24.35 | AnduinLothar | http://karlkfi.no-ip.com/games/wow/WoWLightSaber.mov |
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| 21:25.14 | shouryuu | rawr |
| 21:25.30 | AnduinLothar | i swear that's an auto-join msg.. |
| 21:25.35 | shouryuu | nope |
| 21:25.37 | futrtrubl | ~rawr |
| 21:25.41 | AnduinLothar | ;) |
| 21:25.41 | shouryuu | I just type it each time |
| 21:25.54 | shouryuu | it's 3 different letters :P |
| 21:25.54 | AnduinLothar | least ur predictable |
| 21:25.59 | shouryuu | hehe |
| 21:26.08 | shouryuu | sometimes I type it rwar |
| 21:26.13 | AnduinLothar | moo is 2 |
| 21:26.19 | shouryuu | hehe |
| 21:26.38 | kergoth | ever seen what the 'apt get moo' command does in a debian linux box? |
| 21:26.38 | ToastTheif | so |
| 21:26.45 | AnduinLothar | . . .. . . . |
| 21:26.50 | futrtrubl | shouryuu, did you get my memo? |
| 21:26.50 | shouryuu | and why does everyone say my name is hard to type when you see anduin's... |
| 21:26.51 | Nomad_Wanderer | Is earth really on the brink of abandoness? Someone said that afew days ago. |
| 21:27.11 | shouryuu | fur - nope |
| 21:27.16 | kergoth | *gasp* |
| 21:27.19 | ToastTheif | what should I use to convert movies to better formats? and what better format should I use? =/ |
| 21:27.19 | kergoth | is pastebin down? |
| 21:27.26 | shouryuu | i can't connect either |
| 21:27.46 | kergoth | http://pastebin.ca/29741 |
| 21:27.49 | AnduinLothar | i have a short name in rl that no one has successfully been able to nickname me. so i wanted to make a long one to see what it was like |
| 21:28.06 | shouryuu | how do I type my password already, to identify myself? |
| 21:28.13 | shouryuu | lol |
| 21:28.17 | AnduinLothar | mpeg4 or xvid, mencoder |
| 21:28.17 | ToastTheif | yeah |
| 21:28.21 | futrtrubl | your nickname is now "And?" |
| 21:28.24 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.25 | ToastTheif | I can't figure that out either Sho |
| 21:28.39 | AnduinLothar | or andy or anduin or hey u |
| 21:28.49 | AnduinLothar | long as i respond it doens't really matter |
| 21:28.58 | AnduinLothar | and and is kinda humerous |
| 21:29.03 | kergoth | i dont really care about nick length, thanks to tab completion :) |
| 21:29.11 | futrtrubl | hey, you, you little !@#$%^&*()!@#$%^&*() |
| 21:29.24 | Cair | you called? |
| 21:29.30 | kergoth | that reminds me of sam & max |
| 21:29.33 | kergoth | did anyone else play that game? |
| 21:29.38 | AnduinLothar | doesn't the ! go at the end? |
| 21:29.39 | shouryuu | how do i read a memo? |
| 21:29.49 | AnduinLothar | a guild player memo? |
| 21:29.57 | shouryuu | no IRC memo |
| 21:30.00 | futrtrubl | ./msg memoserv read |
| 21:30.11 | ToastTheif | is |
| 21:30.21 | ToastTheif | is mencoder only for mac os? |
| 21:30.23 | kergoth | Sam: Percent sign, ampersand, dollar sign. |
| 21:30.23 | kergoth | Max: And colon, semicolon too! |
| 21:30.23 | kergoth | Psychic: What are you [bleep]ing doing? |
| 21:30.23 | kergoth | Sam: Swearing in longhand, asterisk-mouth. |
| 21:30.37 | Cair | ROFL |
| 21:31.01 | ToastTheif | ROWFEL |
| 21:31.04 | Cair | that's amusing |
| 21:31.41 | AnduinLothar | mencoder is unix command line app |
| 21:31.44 | Industrial | i say "ess tee eff you" alot |
| 21:32.11 | kergoth | my little brother says rofffle |
| 21:32.12 | Industrial | well, when it applies ofc :> |
| 21:32.31 | shouryuu | haha |
| 21:32.32 | ToastTheif | I don't understand any of this video stuff |
| 21:32.33 | shouryuu | roffle |
| 21:32.40 | ToastTheif | somone should make a tutorial for newbies |
| 21:33.01 | AnduinLothar | google |
| 21:33.09 | ToastTheif | I have tried |
| 21:33.19 | ToastTheif | everything I find doesn't make sense.. |
| 21:33.24 | shouryuu | yup |
| 21:33.27 | futrtrubl | video stuff? |
| 21:33.29 | kergoth | the info is out there, but yeah, there's no good summary |
| 21:33.32 | shouryuu | that's what happens when your a newbie |
| 21:33.32 | kergoth | ToastTheif: did you get my message? |
| 21:33.41 | ToastTheif | mhmm |
| 21:33.42 | shouryuu | I ate it |
| 21:33.46 | ToastTheif | I said something back to u |
| 21:33.52 | kergoth | oh |
| 21:33.54 | kergoth | i didnt get it |
| 21:33.58 | kergoth | cause you arent identified with nickserv :P |
| 21:35.04 | futrtrubl | wow, performing DNS lookups on 75k ips takes a while |
| 21:35.30 | ToastTheif | well I tried to indentify my self |
| 21:35.31 | kergoth | heh, i hope you're issueing more than one at a time :) |
| 21:35.35 | ToastTheif | but it's confusing! |
| 21:35.45 | kergoth | i gave you the command to type.. |
| 21:36.48 | kergoth | <kergoth> /msg nickserv identify whateveryourpasswordis |
| 21:36.53 | kergoth | try that |
| 21:37.06 | ToastTheif | ok |
| 21:37.12 | futrtrubl | or even easier, /ns identify yourpassword |
| 21:37.24 | kergoth | oh good point |
| 21:37.26 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:37.40 | Osagasu | OOOOR |
| 21:37.44 | Osagasu | even EASIER |
| 21:37.51 | kergoth | set up your irc client to do it automatically? |
| 21:37.54 | Osagasu | ./ns is <password> |
| 21:37.58 | Osagasu | *id |
| 21:38.05 | kergoth | oh :) |
| 21:38.25 | Osagasu | oh yea, set your client to do it at connect |
| 21:38.26 | futrtrubl | that just crazy talk Osagasu |
| 21:41.08 | Tain | Just remember /ns doesn't work with all clients. If it does work for you it's easier of course. |
| 21:41.51 | ToastTheif | I figured out how to convert to mpeg4 using the Videora iPod Converter |
| 21:42.06 | ToastTheif | but the quality gets dimminished badly |
| 21:42.11 | AnduinLothar | yup |
| 21:42.20 | AnduinLothar | and size changed |
| 21:42.20 | Industrial | just made some documentation, might need a hand on the ideas... http://rafb.net/paste/results/uWOXle27.html |
| 21:42.37 | ToastTheif | mhmm, I get it down to 6.6mb from 15mb |
| 21:42.58 | Industrial | oops i see lots of errors already |
| 21:43.01 | ToastTheif | is there anyway to keep the quality but have the file size go down? |
| 21:43.25 | Tain | You have to lose some quality in order to reduce the file size. You have to find the balance of what quality is good enough for you. |
| 21:43.37 | AnduinLothar | if u have the right converter and it's the right kind of file |
| 21:43.44 | AnduinLothar | and u use the right codec |
| 21:44.12 | Industrial | suggestions anyone ? :> |
| 21:44.12 | AnduinLothar | or if u make ur own codec for tha single file |
| 21:44.53 | Tain | It depends on what the source file is more than anything. Like a DVD can go from say 4gb to 700mb (for the sake of argument) because the source video is so clean. |
| 21:45.26 | AnduinLothar | cept that's deff not the same quality |
| 21:45.35 | AnduinLothar | but good enough usually |
| 21:45.59 | Tain | Like I already said. |
| 21:46.02 | Tain | You have to lose some quality in order to reduce the file size. You have to find the balance of what quality is good enough for you. |
| 21:46.14 | AnduinLothar | there's a high level of tollerance above 20fps with a nicely scalable resolution |
| 21:46.18 | kergoth | a 700mb dvd ripped using the right codecs is still damn high quality, more than you'd expect |
| 21:46.31 | Tain | That's how I watch many, kergoth. ;) |
| 21:46.31 | kergoth | erm, that sentence was odd, but you get what i tried to say |
| 21:46.35 | AnduinLothar | right, i know. i have 70 or so |
| 21:46.42 | Tain | Yay for dvd players that play vcds! |
| 21:46.56 | AnduinLothar | yay for giant computer monitors |
| 21:46.59 | kergoth | i need a home entertainment pc |
| 21:47.13 | Tain | I'm thinking of turning mine into one when I can get a new game pc. |
| 21:47.37 | AnduinLothar | min eis right now minus a tape deck and a vcr |
| 21:48.30 | kergoth | when i say home entertainment pc, i mean running good software to navigate with just a remote or whatever, no keyboard, usually connected to a tv rather than a monitor, and able to come back up directly into that software on reboot |
| 21:48.33 | AnduinLothar | got an analogue radio, 7.1 surround, tv card with inputs, 20" widescreen, dvd player.... been adding to this sucker for years |
| 21:48.34 | kergoth | which would be nice. |
| 21:48.35 | futrtrubl | DVDShrink is the business |
| 21:48.42 | kergoth | AnduinLothar: 2005fpw? |
| 21:48.57 | kergoth | or is that an apple lcd? |
| 21:49.03 | AnduinLothar | nah i got the apple one cause i felt like wasting more money |
| 21:49.10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:49.10 | AnduinLothar | it's damn sexy |
| 21:49.18 | Industrial | just made some documentation, might need a hand on the ideas... http://rafb.net/paste/results/uWOXle27.html |
| 21:49.20 | kergoth | i like my dell lcd |
| 21:49.20 | Tain | It's nice to have all of that on the PC, definitely. I'm just looking forward to having it all on my 42" widescreen hidef tv. |
| 21:49.39 | AnduinLothar | if i could afford a 42" hidef... |
| 21:49.43 | Tain | For me, couch is more comfortable than computer chair for movies, although I've absolutely sat here and watched them too. |
| 21:49.47 | AnduinLothar | i wouldn't have bought one |
| 21:50.01 | AnduinLothar | i have a couch 4 feet behind my chair |
| 21:50.06 | Tain | How much was the LCD? |
| 21:50.23 | Tain | I only ask because the TV was only $1100. |
| 21:50.23 | ToastTheif | right, so Im just gonna start changing settings in Videora and see what looks best |
| 21:50.27 | AnduinLothar | $700 + tax |
| 21:50.34 | kergoth | mine was around $650 at the time. its come down a fair bit. now you can get a 24" dell lcd for like $800-900 |
| 21:50.35 | ToastTheif | gotta get everything ready for my new iPod and all |
| 21:50.39 | kergoth | Tain: nice, thats not bad at all |
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| 21:50.51 | AnduinLothar | if i had $1k i woulda gotten the dell 24" |
| 21:50.52 | Tain | It's not a lcd/plasma widescreen of course. |
| 21:51.15 | AnduinLothar | ya, now That is sexy |
| 21:51.29 | AnduinLothar | and something u take to lan parties and become insta-god |
| 21:51.30 | kergoth | nod. the difference between tv and a computer lcd when watching a dvd is way noticable. more than i expected, years ago. so much more crisp |
| 21:51.39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:51.49 | kergoth | i'll probably just get a second 20"'er |
| 21:52.07 | AnduinLothar | i'm using my old crappy crt as 2nd monitor atm |
| 21:52.22 | AnduinLothar | doesn't focus well so i keep it at 800x600 |
| 21:52.27 | AnduinLothar | even tho it's 19" |
| 21:53.10 | kergoth | better than nothing |
| 21:53.23 | AnduinLothar | right, good for 2nd |
| 21:53.33 | ToastTheif | Im going to try H264/320x240/640kbps Stereo/128kbps with two passes |
| 21:53.38 | AnduinLothar | and i'm typing here on an old 400mhz imac |
| 21:53.40 | ToastTheif | because that sounds good... |
| 21:53.49 | AnduinLothar | 450mhz* |
| 21:54.10 | AnduinLothar | so i got a 3 screen gheto Swordfish thing goin on |
| 21:54.11 | kergoth | i've got a cute little shuttle xpc with an athlon 64 hooked up to my dell lcd. nice setup |
| 21:54.22 | kergoth | not expandable, which sucks. only like one pci slot :P |
| 21:54.36 | Tain | Dell Dell has their 1905 LCD for a little over $300 all th etime now. :( |
| 21:54.57 | kergoth | there's always deals at sb and home to cut the costs by a %, too |
| 21:54.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:55.11 | ToastTheif | man |
| 21:55.19 | AnduinLothar | ya, i wanted the power to expand yet still be mac so i bought a G5, but it's 3.5 yrs old now |
| 21:55.19 | ToastTheif | you guys so confuse me |
| 21:55.40 | kergoth | swordfish.. i havent watched that in too long |
| 21:55.41 | kergoth | should fix that |
| 21:55.42 | Tain | Yeah. When I actually feel like I have some money I check dealsites.net which aggregates a ton of those sites that put up coupons and deals. |
| 21:56.17 | AnduinLothar | ya, i did that when i got my monitor, no one puts apple stuff on sale tho, ever more than $20 |
| 21:56.31 | AnduinLothar | student discount is best bet |
| 21:56.35 | AnduinLothar | $100 off |
| 21:56.35 | ToastTheif | Im gonna start a fire |
| 21:56.37 | kergoth | it amuses me that apple is switching to x86 |
| 21:56.44 | kergoth | course i've never been much of an apple fan |
| 21:56.53 | AnduinLothar | they have to |
| 21:57.17 | AnduinLothar | they dont have a choice, so they made it seem like a plan and not a requirement |
| 21:57.21 | kergoth | ppc cant keep up, at least on the high end |
| 21:57.30 | kergoth | low end ppc is still useful in the embedded space |
| 21:57.42 | AnduinLothar | i can appreciate that kind of marketting/business turn around |
| 21:58.37 | AnduinLothar | ppc is great for floating point calcs |
| 21:58.39 | kergoth | meh, converting this code to 5.1 is time consuming |
| 21:58.41 | ToastTheif | conversion complete, I will now compare size and quality |
| 21:59.40 | ToastTheif | uuuh |
| 21:59.43 | ToastTheif | well that didn't work |
| 21:59.49 | AnduinLothar | so, if i were doing all the math for dynamicly rendering the wow WorldFrame... then i would want a mac |
| 21:59.50 | ToastTheif | went from 17.7mb to 25mb... |
| 22:00.05 | AnduinLothar | but instead i'm stacking prerendered images |
| 22:00.13 | AnduinLothar | which just needs thuroughput |
| 22:00.22 | AnduinLothar | throughput*? |
| 22:00.48 | AnduinLothar | and playing layered prerendered video |
| 22:00.49 | ToastTheif | how did it get bigger and even lose quality?! lol |
| 22:01.15 | kergoth | ToastTheif: do not convert an already converted video to the new format. you need to convert from the original |
| 22:01.23 | kergoth | its like decoding an mp3 to encode as ogg |
| 22:01.33 | kergoth | lossy format -> lossy format = more loss |
| 22:01.39 | ToastTheif | mmm |
| 22:01.47 | ToastTheif | how do I know if it was already converted...? |
| 22:01.49 | cladhaire | <3 ogg btw |
| 22:02.01 | kergoth | i need to play with ogg theora |
| 22:02.04 | kergoth | (the video codec) |
| 22:02.07 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 22:02.13 | cladhaire | i've heard good things |
| 22:02.36 | kergoth | last time i tried it was so beta the library didnt even compile :) |
| 22:02.45 | ToastTheif | so how do I tell if the movie is the original? |
| 22:02.56 | kergoth | is it currently encoded in a lossy format? |
| 22:02.59 | AnduinLothar | i hear they got a porche with full color, 1600 res with full shaders, mirroring and lighting effects to render dynamicly at 20 fps on the top of the line mac with the latest unreleased radeon video card... |
| 22:03.02 | ToastTheif | I dunno |
| 22:03.19 | AnduinLothar | forget where i read that |
| 22:03.26 | ToastTheif | it's Condemnation.wmv |
| 22:03.27 | AnduinLothar | mighta been slash dot.. |
| 22:03.35 | kergoth | you guys might get a kick out of how lua 5.1 manages packages/modules |
| 22:03.36 | ToastTheif | it's one of the winning blizzard videos |
| 22:03.37 | kergoth | check this |
| 22:03.44 | kergoth | at the top of your module/package, you do: |
| 22:03.56 | kergoth | module("a.b.c.d", package.seeall) |
| 22:04.00 | kergoth | now, anythingi you define below that |
| 22:04.04 | kergoth | is automatically inside of a.b.c.d |
| 22:04.05 | kergoth | no global |
| 22:04.07 | kergoth | s/no/not/ |
| 22:04.18 | kergoth | it changes your current environment to be inside of the module's namespace |
| 22:04.20 | Tain | kergoth, would this get you to change to Apple? :) http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2005/11/laser_etched_powerbook.html |
| 22:05.08 | kergoth | haha, cute |
| 22:06.08 | AnduinLothar | nifty |
| 22:06.28 | ToastTheif | Mmm |
| 22:06.33 | ToastTheif | Im gonna go start a fire |
| 22:06.41 | kergoth | mmm, fire |
| 22:07.55 | kergoth | woo, someone bought this 60s recipe i bought off of a vendor for 5g |
| 22:07.58 | kergoth | thats what i like to see |
| 22:08.09 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 22:08.14 | AnduinLothar | gg buyout |
| 22:08.18 | kergoth | :D |
| 22:10.16 | kergoth | and once again i forget to repair before heading to the AH. i should load up that kc autorepair addon |
| 22:10.49 | AnduinLothar | ya, i was gonna make an auto sell gray items thing once... should add that to the list |
| 22:10.50 | Tain | I really like autorepair |
| 22:11.13 | AnduinLothar | O.o my wow todo list is 2 pages long |
| 22:12.14 | AnduinLothar | gonna have it list things liek TOM and auto sell them if u add them to the list |
| 22:13.01 | AnduinLothar | mmm, and shift-rightclick is still open on container items to make a menu |
| 22:13.02 | kergoth | i like autoprofit |
| 22:13.07 | kergoth | just click the button to sell all the greys |
| 22:13.11 | AnduinLothar | ya, similar to that |
| 22:13.35 | AnduinLothar | cept make it a button on the frame |
| 22:13.38 | kergoth | i should try trashomatic |
| 22:13.40 | kergoth | looks nice |
| 22:13.42 | AnduinLothar | and an option to sell automaticly |
| 22:13.48 | kergoth | autoprofit is a button on the merchant frame |
| 22:13.53 | kergoth | dont think it has automatic though |
| 22:14.17 | AnduinLothar | TOM is pretty good. i cut out the one line timex use and made it use chronos tho |
| 22:14.20 | kergoth | you should just send a patch to add that to him, rather than reinventing the wheel |
| 22:14.22 | kergoth | nod |
| 22:14.57 | AnduinLothar | i personally don't think TOM needs either for just a single 3 second timer, but i spose if u already have it installed it's fine |
| 22:15.31 | kergoth | what's it have to use the timer for? |
| 22:15.31 | AnduinLothar | but timex was making my new chronos go boom |
| 22:15.31 | AnduinLothar | mmm, 3 sec after loot |
| 22:15.37 | AnduinLothar | to account for server lag |
| 22:15.41 | kergoth | ahh |
| 22:15.45 | AnduinLothar | cause on event doesn't work |
| 22:15.49 | kergoth | no event that could .. oh |
| 22:15.49 | Tain | I haven't found good ways to do timer type delays without using something like Timex. |
| 22:15.58 | Tain | (Or OnEvent of course) |
| 22:16.19 | Tain | Although... |
| 22:16.20 | AnduinLothar | it's simple actually, but then i wrote the func so i spose i spent time learning too |
| 22:17.00 | AnduinLothar | just a simple onupdate with a counter, adding up the arg1. maybe checking against GetTime |
| 22:17.02 | Tain | Actually I don't like adding a static delay on looting type functions. It doesn't fully account for lag, just in most cases. |
| 22:17.42 | Tain | I'd prefer selling something, and checking that slot to see when it's gone from your inventory. |
| 22:17.49 | Tain | Just for safety, even though it would be slower. |
| 22:18.19 | AnduinLothar | well, if u first check when u open the loot, so u know ur gonna pick it up (shift-looting) then you can set a timer and if it doesn't find it reset the same timer |
| 22:18.34 | Nomad_Wanderer | Hey.. could I talk something through with you guys? see if you see a problem? I'm stumped. |
| 22:18.38 | AnduinLothar | maybe a max of 3 tiems |
| 22:18.47 | Tain | Or doing them in groups, sell 3 things at a time, check when they're gone, then go on to the next group. |
| 22:18.56 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 22:19.03 | AnduinLothar | 3 loots? |
| 22:19.09 | AnduinLothar | or 3 loot items |
| 22:19.21 | Tain | 3 items from your inventory that you're auto-selling. |
| 22:19.23 | AnduinLothar | (don't ask to ask a question, jsut ask) |
| 22:19.27 | Nomad_Wanderer | k |
| 22:19.35 | Tain | Sure Nomad, go ahead. I'm about to walk away from the computer. :) |
| 22:19.42 | AnduinLothar | just dont be offeded if no one answers |
| 22:20.05 | AnduinLothar | unually means either no one's paying attention or they dont know |
| 22:20.09 | Nomad_Wanderer | I have a bag of MC Itemnames, with sub bags for what classes are okay to bid on that item.. |
| 22:20.23 | AnduinLothar | bags? |
| 22:20.30 | AnduinLothar | tables? |
| 22:20.47 | Nomad_Wanderer | Someone messages me the item name, I pattern out the item name to be just text, then see if it's a key in the MC itemnames TABLE> |
| 22:20.49 | Nomad_Wanderer | ;) |
| 22:21.08 | AnduinLothar | ok |
| 22:21.24 | Nomad_Wanderer | I have debug in place, and the pattern match is outputting the EXACT NAME, of a key in the table, but I'm still getting nill when I go after it. |
| 22:21.34 | Nomad_Wanderer | if (Items[ItemName]~=nil) then |
| 22:21.50 | Nomad_Wanderer | ItemName is an exact string of something in the table.. |
| 22:21.55 | Nomad_Wanderer | but I can't match.. :( |
| 22:22.08 | Stylpe | Does the name have any |'s? |
| 22:22.16 | Nomad_Wanderer | The table is there, cause I can iterate and print through it.. |
| 22:22.26 | cladhaire | DevTools_Dump() is you friend =) |
| 22:22.29 | Nomad_Wanderer | no the Names are real english names. :) |
| 22:22.31 | cladhaire | See what the state is at that exact moment |
| 22:22.38 | cladhaire | then do some /dumps to test it out |
| 22:23.02 | Nomad_Wanderer | I;ve been using addmessage's to see that it's the same.. |
| 22:23.30 | AnduinLothar | put '' aroudn the text |
| 22:23.39 | AnduinLothar | to check for spaces |
| 22:23.48 | Nomad_Wanderer | Which text? |
| 22:23.53 | cladhaire | either.. or both |
| 22:24.04 | cladhaire | use anything on either side of the text to make sure you didn't parse trailing spaces |
| 22:24.04 | Nomad_Wanderer | Ah.. wait a minute. |
| 22:24.07 | AnduinLothar | well u know the tables so try the link grab |
| 22:24.13 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: damn beat me to it :P |
| 22:24.18 | AnduinLothar | might be u grabbed a |r |
| 22:24.38 | AnduinLothar | ;) |
| 22:24.48 | Nomad_Wanderer | Nope, I thought of that.. I have this as my debug.. GenAH_Debug("ItemName=|"..ItemName.."|"); |
| 22:25.05 | Nomad_Wanderer | I thought I had a trailing space that was throwing the match off. |
| 22:25.11 | cladhaire | but an |r wouldn't show |
| 22:25.19 | AnduinLothar | not in chat, no |
| 22:25.27 | cladhaire | it shoudl show in a /dump |
| 22:25.36 | Nomad_Wanderer | Hmm.. how would you see it then? would it be in a message? |
| 22:25.55 | AnduinLothar | it defines the color |
| 22:25.56 | Nomad_Wanderer | I've never used DevTools_Dump() is that in the wiki? |
| 22:26.05 | cladhaire | Nope.. download Devtools |
| 22:26.09 | cladhaire | its on iriel's website, curse, etc. |
| 22:26.13 | Nomad_Wanderer | addon k. |
| 22:26.16 | cladhaire | and then you can use /dump as a chat |
| 22:26.22 | cladhaire | and it gives you the functino devtools_dump |
| 22:26.24 | cladhaire | its a godsend |
| 22:27.04 | cladhaire | AnduinLothar: Any tool that properly escapes and iterates is a help. |
| 22:27.10 | cladhaire | Doesn't matter who wrote it =)O |
| 22:27.31 | AnduinLothar | i have nothign wrong with iriels tools :) |
| 22:27.44 | AnduinLothar | they're better for most peopel actually |
| 22:27.48 | cladhaire | Then what's your comment you're keeping to yourself =) |
| 22:27.54 | AnduinLothar | no say |
| 22:27.58 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 22:28.10 | cladhaire | i use it for tables.. but its quick and dirty easier to give to someone else |
| 22:28.13 | Nomad_Wanderer | Ok.. have the addon.. How does it help me? Dump the variable name? |
| 22:28.22 | cladhaire | exactly |
| 22:28.28 | cladhaire | you can also /dump as a slash command |
| 22:28.36 | cladhaire | you can use it like /script and it'll give you the return values, etc. |
| 22:28.37 | AnduinLothar | right, it's easier to hand out, that's what matters at this junction which is why i am silent |
| 22:29.23 | cladhaire | =) |
| 22:30.52 | cladhaire | haha |
| 22:30.57 | cladhaire | haven't seen it |
| 22:31.25 | Parak | I'd rather see WD 2.0 though :D |
| 22:33.17 | futrtrubl | loudicrousness? |
| 22:33.33 | AnduinLothar | http://karlkfi.no-ip.com/games/wow/screenshots/FireWindowTableEval.jpg |
| 22:33.35 | ToastTheif | ~ludicrousness |
| 22:33.45 | ToastTheif | ~purl, ludicrousness? |
| 22:33.48 | futrtrubl | how so parak? |
| 22:34.05 | futrtrubl | purl ludicrousness? |
| 22:34.17 | Nomad_Wanderer | Hmm... I thought I could add addons and just to a reloadui to get access to the new ones.. |
| 22:34.24 | ToastTheif | nope |
| 22:34.25 | AnduinLothar | no, cant any more |
| 22:34.28 | ToastTheif | they changed that |
| 22:34.32 | Nomad_Wanderer | ah.. |
| 22:34.39 | Nomad_Wanderer | thought i went a little nutty there |
| 22:34.51 | Nomad_Wanderer | how far "out" do I have to go? |
| 22:34.57 | AnduinLothar | exit game |
| 22:35.02 | Nomad_Wanderer | ack |
| 22:36.50 | Tain | Woo go 8500k upload speed. |
| 22:37.01 | Industrial | just made some documentation, might need a hand on the ideas... http://rafb.net/paste/results/uWOXle27.html |
| 22:37.04 | Amicester | Nah. |
| 22:37.07 | Amicester | You can change realm. |
| 22:37.19 | Industrial | ideas ideas, ideas for my unit frames |
| 22:37.23 | Tain | Yeah, click Change Realm and go right back to your realm. |
| 22:37.24 | AnduinLothar | u can? |
| 22:37.26 | Amicester | I've had it reload tocs without going all the way out. |
| 22:37.33 | AnduinLothar | ah, good to know |
| 22:37.49 | futrtrubl | very good to know |
| 22:37.56 | Nomad_Wanderer | Wow. Fire looks slick |
| 22:37.58 | Amicester | That also gets around the current thing about the addon disappearing when you logout. |
| 22:38.07 | Amicester | Like it only displays on first login, or on change realm. |
| 22:38.17 | AnduinLothar | i never use that button anymore |
| 22:38.17 | Amicester | but Slouken said he has fixed that. |
| 22:38.28 | AnduinLothar | just toggle um ingame |
| 22:38.34 | Amicester | I do, just to verify that my toc is loaded =P |
| 22:38.47 | AnduinLothar | that works :) |
| 22:39.03 | Industrial | <industrial:attention-whore topic="unit frames" url="http://rafb.net/paste/results/uWOXle27.html" /> |
| 22:39.16 | AnduinLothar | cant test opt deps that way can u? |
| 22:39.19 | Amicester | heh. |
| 22:39.52 | Nomad_Wanderer | Hmm... When I dumped my Items Table, some ['s didn't show, while others did. |
| 22:39.55 | Amicester | Problably not opt deps. |
| 22:40.02 | Amicester | the addon screen doesn't check opt deps. just deps |
| 22:40.07 | Amicester | I think. |
| 22:40.12 | AnduinLothar | ;) just being contrary |
| 22:40.24 | Amicester | Does anything check opt deps? =P |
| 22:40.30 | AnduinLothar | loading does |
| 22:40.35 | Amicester | I've never used opt deps. |
| 22:40.37 | AnduinLothar | :-D |
| 22:40.40 | Amicester | Oh wait yeah I do. |
| 22:40.41 | AnduinLothar | never? |
| 22:40.46 | AnduinLothar | ur missing out |
| 22:40.51 | Nomad_Wanderer | Is there anything wrong with this format? it's hand built.. |
| 22:40.52 | Nomad_Wanderer | Items = { |
| 22:40.54 | Nomad_Wanderer | ["Aged Core Leather Gloves"] = { ["Rogue"]=1,}, |
| 22:40.55 | Nomad_Wanderer | ["Ancient Petrified Leaf"] = { ["Hunter"]=1,}, |
| 22:40.57 | Nomad_Wanderer | ["Aurastone Hammer"] = { ["Priest"]=1,["Druid"]=1,["Paladin"]=1,}, |
| 22:40.57 | AnduinLothar | it's fun getting load loops |
| 22:40.59 | Nomad_Wanderer | ["Azuresong Mageblade"] = { ["Paladin"]=1,["Mage"]=1,["Warlock"]=1,}, |
| 22:41.06 | ToastTheif | PASTE BIN, hurrrrrrrrrry |
| 22:41.08 | Amicester | No I've never used opt deps =P |
| 22:41.14 | ToastTheif | b4 Ker sees! |
| 22:41.16 | Amicester | none of my stuff is integrated. |
| 22:41.23 | AnduinLothar | ["Aged Core Leather Gloves"] = { Rogue=1,}, etc is identical |
| 22:41.29 | Nomad_Wanderer | Whats pastebin |
| 22:41.32 | Amicester | You have a trailing command? |
| 22:41.38 | Amicester | command? |
| 22:41.39 | ToastTheif | www.pastebin.com |
| 22:41.40 | Amicester | comma. |
| 22:41.51 | AnduinLothar | ["Aged Core Leather Gloves"] = { Rogue=1} * |
| 22:41.58 | AnduinLothar | w/e |
| 22:42.06 | Amicester | Does that matter? |
| 22:42.13 | Amicester | I've never done it I don't think. |
| 22:42.14 | Nomad_Wanderer | There shouldn't be commas between the items? |
| 22:42.15 | AnduinLothar | single word strings can be simply stated was the intent |
| 22:42.28 | Amicester | Oh. |
| 22:42.44 | AnduinLothar | ["Aged Core Leather Gloves"] = {Rogue=1}, |
| 22:42.49 | Amicester | Rogue as opposed to ["Rogue"] |
| 22:42.57 | Amicester | since its a single word no space or special |
| 22:43.03 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 22:43.07 | Amicester | I guess I never thought about that. |
| 22:43.11 | Amicester | I always " it =P |
| 22:43.16 | Amicester | I guess maybe just for readability to me. |
| 22:43.17 | Nomad_Wanderer | Does ["Rogue"] matter? Could that be it? |
| 22:43.22 | AnduinLothar | w/e is easier for your to read |
| 22:43.24 | Amicester | I've never seen []'s |
| 22:43.42 | Amicester | So I'm not sure what that means, heh. |
| 22:43.42 | AnduinLothar | either of the 3 ways works |
| 22:43.52 | Industrial | *attention whore, me me memememememem* |
| 22:44.03 | Industrial | no offense tho |
| 22:44.03 | Industrial | :> |
| 22:44.08 | Amicester | So I'm going to guess the error is the trailing comma? |
| 22:44.13 | Nomad_Wanderer | purl, some dude? |
| 22:44.34 | Nomad_Wanderer | Yep, Purl didn't know him either |
| 22:44.38 | futrtrubl | and make sure it's ["Aged Core Leather Gloves"] = { ["Rogue"]=1}, not ["Aged Core Leather Gloves"] = { ["Rogue"]=1,}, (remove a comma) |
| 22:44.47 | Industrial | =[ |
| 22:44.49 | Amicester | Dump me your url =P |
| 22:44.54 | Amicester | Ind. |
| 22:44.57 | Industrial | http://rafb.net/paste/results/uWOXle27.html |
| 22:44.58 | AnduinLothar | comma dont matter |
| 22:45.13 | AnduinLothar | lua reads both ways, ignores followign commas |
| 22:45.17 | Amicester | Thats what I figured. |
| 22:45.30 | Amicester | I never include them, but lua is pretty ... lenient. |
| 22:45.37 | Amicester | It just assumes next, its nil, skip it. |
| 22:45.39 | Nomad_Wanderer | lenient :) |
| 22:45.41 | AnduinLothar | in the manual it says u can leave it for auto-generated code simplicity |
| 22:45.46 | Amicester | ah. |
| 22:46.05 | AnduinLothar | ;) yes, i read parts of the manual |
| 22:46.15 | Amicester | I only reference the manual. |
| 22:46.19 | Amicester | I never sat down and read it =P |
| 22:46.19 | AnduinLothar | i have it bookmarked |
| 22:46.30 | AnduinLothar | i did when i started 10 months ago |
| 22:46.37 | Amicester | Industrial: What am I looking at? |
| 22:46.48 | Industrial | idea for unit frames |
| 22:46.49 | AnduinLothar | like i read all the table and string and number pages |
| 22:47.08 | AnduinLothar | and function page |
| 22:47.30 | AnduinLothar | var = function(arg1) blah ed ftw |
| 22:47.33 | AnduinLothar | end* |
| 22:48.06 | Amicester | Industrial: The Idea looks sound. |
| 22:48.13 | futrtrubl | ~function |
| 22:48.16 | purl | from memory, function is in which file ? |
| 22:48.16 | AnduinLothar | what kind of comments are u looking for? |
| 22:48.45 | Industrial | well, wether to include/exclude stuff (sex for example) |
| 22:48.57 | Industrial | and wich race/class gets colored what color :> |
| 22:49.09 | Amicester | Eh. Well if you want opinion. What I do is, include stuff, and just make an option to turn it off =P |
| 22:49.10 | AnduinLothar | i was gonna do sex and race in arch but never bothered |
| 22:49.30 | Amicester | Lots of times I include things and disable them by default. |
| 22:49.36 | AnduinLothar | couldn't get a good male/female sign made |
| 22:49.48 | Nomad_Wanderer | Um, does that matter tho? |
| 22:49.48 | Industrial | M/F |
| 22:49.49 | Tain | I don't think sex is important at all. ... as a display item in game. |
| 22:49.50 | AnduinLothar | speaking of which... where's vynn |
| 22:49.59 | Amicester | That depends. |
| 22:50.04 | Industrial | HUM,DWF,NEL,GNO,ORC,UND,TAU,TRO |
| 22:50.04 | Amicester | For me I don't use portraits. |
| 22:50.04 | Tain | I don't think Race is important either, BUT I think other people would. |
| 22:50.10 | Industrial | races |
| 22:50.10 | Amicester | So sex to me would be a neat thing to turn on. |
| 22:50.10 | Industrial | :D |
| 22:50.12 | Amicester | I never thought about it really. |
| 22:50.16 | AnduinLothar | i use class portraits atm |
| 22:50.23 | Amicester | Sometimes a troll name of "Barijda" comes across kind of neutral |
| 22:50.25 | Tain | Yes, sex is a neat turn on, you are right. |
| 22:50.29 | Industrial | hehe |
| 22:50.31 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 22:50.32 | Amicester | and without a portrait its tough. |
| 22:50.54 | Industrial | you wouldnt want to /whistle a tauren o_O |
| 22:50.58 | Industrial | male* |
| 22:51.01 | Tain | For unit frames I say include every possible option and just let people turn them on or off. |
| 22:51.03 | Amicester | Heh. |
| 22:51.06 | AnduinLothar | can usually get sex and race from portrait easily |
| 22:51.10 | Tain | That's what I look for at least. That's why I like WatchDog. |
| 22:51.21 | Industrial | Tain: k |
| 22:51.23 | Tain | Lots of options, and lots of options of how to place the information you want. |
| 22:51.24 | Amicester | yeah people are picky with unitframes. |
| 22:51.26 | AnduinLothar | that's why arch has 100 options :/ |
| 22:51.31 | Amicester | I usually grab something I like, and just modify it to my taste. |
| 22:51.42 | Industrial | ill include a switch to switch between those little class/race icons and 3 letter text |
| 22:51.45 | Industrial | :) |
| 22:51.52 | Tain | That's what I've been doing with unitframes lately, Amicester. |
| 22:52.04 | Industrial | http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=2020 |
| 22:52.05 | Industrial | this i like |
| 22:52.09 | Industrial | its going to be like that |
| 22:52.14 | Industrial | jsut with extra info |
| 22:52.17 | Industrial | and bars |
| 22:52.17 | Industrial | :) |
| 22:52.18 | Tain | What, no gui config! ;) |
| 22:52.31 | Industrial | hah, config.. who needs config |
| 22:52.34 | Industrial | :> |
| 22:52.41 | AnduinLothar | started with a few options, people wanted more, so i split um up and added more, then people got confused to i renamed and catigorized, they then couldn't ever find the options they were lookign for, so i made 6 preset buttons |
| 22:52.43 | Amicester | No gui config is fine. |
| 22:52.44 | Amicester | But ... |
| 22:52.51 | Amicester | please parse parameters on a single command |
| 22:52.57 | Amicester | and don't make 500 separate commands. |
| 22:52.58 | Amicester | =P |
| 22:53.09 | Industrial | hah lol i will smack anyone that does |
| 22:53.15 | Tain | Better include parsebyname. ;) |
| 22:53.20 | AnduinLothar | if u dont want to write gui i highly recommend mcom |
| 22:53.25 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.27 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.29 | Industrial | lol |
| 22:53.30 | Industrial | :D |
| 22:53.37 | AnduinLothar | it auto generates most of the code for you |
| 22:53.57 | Tain | If you don't have a lot of options in an addon I don't mind single toggle switches. |
| 22:54.10 | Nomad_Wanderer | Any reason why when I dump that item table I showed you some of the square braces are there for some items, and some of the squre braces are NOT? |
| 22:54.17 | Nomad_Wanderer | It's for the whole item.. |
| 22:54.21 | AnduinLothar | like feedback, toggles, a help screen, optional gui options for khaos.. |
| 22:54.39 | Nomad_Wanderer | I.e. Seal of the archmagus has braces, but Deathbringer doesn't.. |
| 22:54.41 | Industrial | hmm, i need 3 letters for each class :> |
| 22:54.50 | Stylpe | Nomad_Wanderer: Spaces? |
| 22:54.59 | AnduinLothar | no u dont, only if u start with the same letter |
| 22:55.21 | Industrial | AnduinLothar: ? |
| 22:55.22 | Nomad_Wanderer | I don't think it's spaces.. Cause it's also inconsistently happening with The class names too. |
| 22:55.26 | shouryuu | im off |
| 22:55.27 | shouryuu | g'night |
| 22:55.30 | Industrial | nn |
| 22:55.31 | *** part/#wowi-lounge shouryuu (n=nicolass@29.239.97-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 22:56.05 | AnduinLothar | W,R,P,Y,S,M,K,H,D |
| 22:56.38 | Amicester | Its a tab. |
| 22:56.48 | AnduinLothar | Y=Pally )yes i know it's not in paladin), K=Warlock |
| 22:57.04 | Industrial | meh :| |
| 22:57.05 | Amicester | Wait a minute, what? |
| 22:57.09 | Amicester | Thats the most confusing thing I've ever seen. |
| 22:57.10 | Tain | The 3 letters could be good for easy identification though. |
| 22:57.11 | Industrial | Amicester: the classes |
| 22:57.16 | Amicester | Y=Paladin? |
| 22:57.25 | Tain | People will know instantly War, Rog, Pal, etc. |
| 22:57.25 | AnduinLothar | pics are er |
| 22:57.32 | AnduinLothar | pics are better |
| 22:57.39 | Industrial | how do i get pics |
| 22:57.42 | Nomad_Wanderer | Little Icons |
| 22:57.45 | futrtrubl | it's because Paladins are of the lYght you see |
| 22:57.45 | Industrial | i need those pics form the char creation thing |
| 22:57.49 | AnduinLothar | feel free to steal the ones i made/edited from arch |
| 22:57.50 | Industrial | the icons yea |
| 22:57.57 | Nomad_Wanderer | It could even be weapons |
| 22:58.02 | Industrial | AnduinLothar: where? >:) |
| 22:58.10 | Amicester | Aren't there already class images you can use? |
| 22:58.16 | AnduinLothar | Arch has Class Icons and CLass portraits (optional) |
| 22:58.19 | Tain | Industrial: Have you used Warcraft Studio? You can look at the images inside the MPQs and just reference those. |
| 22:58.36 | Industrial | Tain: o? :) url |
| 22:58.48 | Cair | or you can snag the ones from WoWI |
| 22:59.04 | Cair | the avatars are the various class icons etc |
| 22:59.31 | Tain | I've only looked at MyWarCraftStudio, I downloaded it a long time ago from curse. |
| 22:59.38 | Industrial | WAR,PAL,ROG,HUN,PRI,DRD,SHM,WLK |
| 22:59.39 | Industrial | :> |
| 23:00.00 | Cair | all there, indu |
| 23:00.15 | Cair | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/profile.php?do=editavatar |
| 23:00.22 | Tain | Personally (in my opinion only!) I'd do HNT. :) |
| 23:00.56 | Industrial | noted |
| 23:00.56 | Industrial | : |
| 23:00.57 | Industrial | :D |
| 23:01.05 | AnduinLothar | http://karlkfi.no-ip.com/games/wow/ClassSquared.jpg |
| 23:01.23 | Nomad_Wanderer | purl, 404? |
| 23:01.25 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, 404 is not found |
| 23:01.25 | Cair | all ten racial crests, 24 of races, 9 classes, 10 professions |
| 23:01.37 | Tain | Darnit I hate when I try to open a url and it reuses a window I didn't want it to use. |
| 23:01.57 | Nomad_Wanderer | Looks like a DNS issue |
| 23:02.02 | AnduinLothar | try again |
| 23:02.12 | Cair | nadda Karl |
| 23:02.14 | Nomad_Wanderer | http://70.181.69.252:81/games/wow/ClassSquared.jpg |
| 23:02.18 | Nomad_Wanderer | nada |
| 23:02.33 | Industrial | http://70.181.69.252:81/games/wow/ScreenShots/ClassSquared.jpg |
| 23:02.35 | Industrial | ;) |
| 23:02.36 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 23:02.38 | AnduinLothar | thx |
| 23:02.41 | Tain | ~8ball Will my roommate give in and go get take out so I don't have to? |
| 23:02.43 | purl | I'm sure of it. |
| 23:02.46 | Tain | yay! |
| 23:04.12 | AnduinLothar | if u want them already in tga grab um from the arch zip: |
| 23:04.19 | AnduinLothar | http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=552 |
| 23:04.27 | Nomad_Wanderer | do I have to put quotes in the key names? Instead of ["Flamewaker Legplates"] = { ["Warrior"]=1}, can I write [Flamewaker Legplates] = { [Warrior]=1}, |
| 23:04.38 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 23:04.42 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 23:04.44 | Stylpe | no |
| 23:04.46 | Cide | either ["Key"] = 1 or Key = 1 |
| 23:04.53 | AnduinLothar | not with spaces |
| 23:05.04 | AnduinLothar | and not in [] |
| 23:05.04 | Nomad_Wanderer | If it has spaces, you have to have quotes? |
| 23:05.08 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 23:05.20 | AnduinLothar | and if u have quotes u need [] |
| 23:05.31 | Nomad_Wanderer | gotcha. |
| 23:05.43 | AnduinLothar | but if u dont have "" dont use [] |
| 23:05.57 | Nomad_Wanderer | Interesting.. I'll pull them from the class names then |
| 23:05.58 | AnduinLothar | or use both |
| 23:05.58 | Cide | I always use [] so it's consistant |
| 23:06.11 | Cide | ["Key"] = value |
| 23:06.11 | AnduinLothar | right, personal prefrence |
| 23:06.14 | Nomad_Wanderer | Hmm. should I ? |
| 23:06.24 | AnduinLothar | if u think it makes it easier to read |
| 23:06.26 | Cide | it's easier for me to remembe |
| 23:06.28 | Cide | remember* |
| 23:06.40 | Stylpe | Hey, are there any other timer mods besides Timex and Chronos? |
| 23:06.44 | AnduinLothar | it's just syntactic candy |
| 23:06.54 | AnduinLothar | why do u need another? |
| 23:07.01 | AnduinLothar | (not that i know of) |
| 23:07.17 | Stylpe | I just got a mad idea to make KeepItCool support more than one timer library =P |
| 23:07.29 | Stylpe | So that you'd have a choice |
| 23:07.35 | Stylpe | Shouldn't be too hard |
| 23:07.50 | AnduinLothar | no, it wouldn't be problem is if u want to require it |
| 23:08.01 | AnduinLothar | cant use both in req |
| 23:08.14 | Stylpe | hm |
| 23:08.19 | AnduinLothar | if both on opt u cant guerentee either's there |
| 23:08.33 | AnduinLothar | so u have to spit an error ingame |
| 23:08.39 | AnduinLothar | if u cant find one |
| 23:08.58 | AnduinLothar | and then dissable ur addon prolly |
| 23:09.50 | AnduinLothar | i was actually thinkign about doing that with Ace Sea hooks |
| 23:10.00 | Stylpe | What? |
| 23:10.05 | AnduinLothar | but decided just to make Sea embeddable |
| 23:10.31 | AnduinLothar | required-optional dependancy |
| 23:10.42 | AnduinLothar | should ask slouken for it |
| 23:11.08 | AnduinLothar | ##reqdep: (Timex, Chronos) |
| 23:11.14 | Tain | That's not a bad idea. Require X or Y or Z |
| 23:11.28 | AnduinLothar | or ##reqdep: Timex or Chronos, other addon |
| 23:11.37 | Stylpe | I'd suggest "Ace, Timex OR Chronos" |
| 23:11.41 | Stylpe | Right =) |
| 23:11.58 | AnduinLothar | comma is more linguisticly ambivalent tho |
| 23:12.09 | AnduinLothar | the lua is more an english deriv |
| 23:12.14 | AnduinLothar | tho* |
| 23:12.19 | Stylpe | But comma in this case means 'and' |
| 23:12.21 | AnduinLothar | as most lang's are |
| 23:12.26 | Stylpe | *already means |
| 23:12.41 | Tain | It shouldn't need to say Ace and Timex though, if you have Timex it's already going to show as lacking a dependancy without Ace. |
| 23:12.44 | Industrial | ah ha! |
| 23:12.44 | AnduinLothar | right, u could just make it a space |
| 23:12.45 | Industrial | <Texture name="$parent_ClassTexture" file="Interface\Glues\CharacterCreate\UI-CharacterCreate-Classes"><Size><AbsDimension x="22" y="22"/></Size> |
| 23:12.51 | Industrial | thanks nymbias perl unit frames |
| 23:12.52 | Industrial | :> |
| 23:12.59 | Stylpe | Tain: KIC needs Ace =P |
| 23:13.03 | AnduinLothar | ##reqdep: Timex Chronos, other addon |
| 23:13.15 | Tain | I see what you're saying! |
| 23:13.30 | Industrial | im so going to be ripping xml from perl |
| 23:13.31 | Industrial | :D |
| 23:13.35 | Tain | Screw it, we need regex matching in Dependancies. |
| 23:13.36 | Industrial | e.g. these things |
| 23:13.39 | Stylpe | AnduinLothar: What if there's a mod called 'Timex Chronos' then? =P |
| 23:13.40 | Tain | That's tehw ay to do it, Industrial. |
| 23:13.55 | AnduinLothar | cant have space? |
| 23:13.55 | Tain | Then someone's just out to screw with you, Stylpe. :) |
| 23:14.10 | Nomad_Wanderer | Is it possible to dump variables using /dump? I can dump tables just fine, but not a single variable.. |
| 23:14.13 | Industrial | well then, its time for me to go. work at 9 *sigh* |
| 23:14.21 | AnduinLothar | addon file names cant have spaces, can they? |
| 23:14.31 | Nomad_Wanderer | whoa.. |
| 23:14.33 | Nomad_Wanderer | wait a minute |
| 23:14.37 | Industrial | what? |
| 23:14.48 | Nomad_Wanderer | Variables in for loops, only survive for the life of the for? |
| 23:14.54 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 23:15.00 | Nomad_Wanderer | thats it.. two hours for a stupid error! argh |
| 23:15.09 | Industrial | local ones |
| 23:15.11 | Industrial | that is |
| 23:15.12 | Industrial | right? |
| 23:15.20 | AnduinLothar | the ones in the for declaration |
| 23:15.24 | Industrial | ya ok |
| 23:15.33 | Nomad_Wanderer | as in for color, item, ItemName in string.gfind(arg1, "|c(%x+)|Hitem:(%d+:%d+:%d+:%d+)|h%[(.-)%]|h|r") do |
| 23:15.34 | AnduinLothar | for key, value in table do |
| 23:15.48 | AnduinLothar | key and value are derefrenced after the for loop |
| 23:15.52 | Nomad_Wanderer | hehehehe (Maniacal crazy laughter) |
| 23:15.53 | AnduinLothar | scoping ftw |
| 23:16.00 | Nomad_Wanderer | scoping FTL :) |
| 23:16.05 | Industrial | scoping ftw |
| 23:16.10 | Industrial | neway |
| 23:16.13 | AnduinLothar | i spent all last night fighting with scoping |
| 23:16.14 | Industrial | nn |
| 23:16.14 | Stylpe | Nomad_Wanderer ftl >:) |
| 23:16.19 | Tain | Scooping for the ice cream. |
| 23:16.24 | AnduinLothar | only to discover it was a hidden character.. |
| 23:16.25 | Industrial | hehe |
| 23:19.33 | AnduinLothar | please someone tell me there's a lua capitolization function that works on latin special characters and chinese characters... |
| 23:20.55 | Osagasu | well, chinese characters are ideas, not letters as we think of them |
| 23:21.26 | AnduinLothar | does chinese even have capitolization? |
| 23:21.36 | Osagasu | I don't know if they do |
| 23:21.47 | AnduinLothar | or do i have to use my func and detect chinese and disable it |
| 23:23.03 | Nomad_Wanderer | Hmm. for this table: Items = { ["Aurastone Hammer"] = { ["Priest"]=1,["Druid"]=1,["Paladin"]=1} } , could I use this? if (Items[name].class~=nil) then (where class is a variable) |
| 23:23.32 | Osagasu | http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/313/orly3zn.png <--- O.o |
| 23:23.37 | Nomad_Wanderer | or would it be Items[name].[class]? |
| 23:23.38 | AnduinLothar | if class is a var it needs to be Items[name][class] |
| 23:24.01 | Nomad_Wanderer | But isn't that 2d? |
| 23:24.08 | Osagasu | looks like something Cide would put in as an easter in CTRA |
| 23:24.19 | Cide | put what in? |
| 23:24.27 | AnduinLothar | 2d? you already made it 2d |
| 23:24.34 | Cide | oh |
| 23:24.38 | Cide | yeah, /rarly is in |
| 23:24.45 | Nomad_Wanderer | Class isn't in the same dimension as the Item name tho |
| 23:25.04 | AnduinLothar | so... |
| 23:25.22 | AnduinLothar | Items[name] is a table |
| 23:25.37 | AnduinLothar | u index tables with [var] or .string |
| 23:25.59 | Nomad_Wanderer | Really? so Items["Paladin Hammer of Justice"]["Paladin"] would work for the above table? |
| 23:26.05 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 23:26.17 | Nomad_Wanderer | Weird.. Ok. |
| 23:26.41 | AnduinLothar | if (Items[name][class]) then blah end |
| 23:27.57 | AnduinLothar | w/o an opperator in the if statement it assumes (var~=nil) and (var~=false) |
| 23:31.04 | Cide | night everyone |
| 23:31.09 | AnduinLothar | night cide |
| 23:31.30 | Cair | night Cide |
| 23:31.39 | AnduinLothar | is there any way to have table.insert return the index it just inserted at? |
| 23:33.17 | Nomad_Wanderer | wouldn't that be Table.getn-1? |
| 23:33.50 | AnduinLothar | getn would work yes, just wondering if i can declare and set variable in same line |
| 23:34.04 | cladhaire | hook table.insert =) |
| 23:34.19 | AnduinLothar | right, but it doesn't return the index it used |
| 23:34.23 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 23:34.25 | AnduinLothar | ew |
| 23:34.31 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 23:34.45 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 23:34.48 | AnduinLothar | besides, i cant hook it from the hook function unless i do it manually :P |
| 23:34.54 | cladhaire | no it doesn't |
| 23:35.05 | cladhaire | sure you can.. use an anonymous function -) |
| 23:35.25 | AnduinLothar | then i'm still calling getn... |
| 23:35.29 | cladhaire | yep =) |
| 23:35.29 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 23:35.35 | AnduinLothar | same length. |
| 23:35.44 | AnduinLothar | i dont care about linage, just efficiency |
| 23:35.47 | cladhaire | *nod*.. but it would return the index it inserted at =) |
| 23:35.59 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 23:36.03 | AnduinLothar | forget i asked |
| 23:36.15 | cladhaire | =( |
| 23:36.16 | AnduinLothar | GO DEMAND IT FROM LUA! |
| 23:36.19 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 23:36.21 | cladhaire | k k brb |
| 23:36.46 | AnduinLothar | just wanted to condense this: |
| 23:36.47 | AnduinLothar | table.insert(Sea.util.Hooks[orig][hooktype],Sea.util.getValue(new)); |
| 23:36.48 | AnduinLothar | if (this) and (this:GetName()) then |
| 23:36.48 | AnduinLothar | Sea.util.Hooks[orig][hooktype][table.getn(Sea.util.Hooks[orig][hooktype])..""] = this:GetName(); |
| 23:36.49 | AnduinLothar | else |
| 23:36.49 | AnduinLothar | Sea.util.Hooks[orig][hooktype][table.getn(Sea.util.Hooks[orig][hooktype])..""] = 'unknown'; |
| 23:36.49 | AnduinLothar | end |
| 23:37.12 | AnduinLothar | pretty ugly :/ |
| 23:37.14 | cladhaire | aye.. it defeintely has practical purposes |
| 23:37.18 | AnduinLothar | evil trick too ;) |
| 23:37.23 | cladhaire | but.. there's no way to do it without hurting table.insert |
| 23:37.40 | cladhaire | considering any old joe can throw off the sequence of a table.. and then getn has bad data |
| 23:37.51 | cladhaire | hence why LUA left it out. |
| 23:38.19 | AnduinLothar | well u would only return it if u didn't specify ur own index |
| 23:38.28 | cladhaire | No, you're misunderstanding |
| 23:39.03 | cladhaire | Since you can mix keyed and non-keyed values and LUA gets thrown off on occasion (based on how you insert elements) table.insert wouldn't ever know whether getn() was valid information or not. |
| 23:39.16 | cladhaire | its the whole mixing table.insert with table[key] = value nonsense |
| 23:39.19 | AnduinLothar | no, i understand what u mean. i just want a way to know what it picks to set the value to |
| 23:39.43 | AnduinLothar | it will use getn+1 |
| 23:39.54 | AnduinLothar | and then setn to that # |
| 23:39.57 | cladhaire | *nod* that makes sense, so we should be safe to return it. |
| 23:40.51 | AnduinLothar | so i can easily get the number... but it has it already, no need to call getn again if the func can just return it at no cost |
| 23:41.07 | AnduinLothar | w/e |
| 23:41.14 | cladhaire | true.. but you won't get that in WOW land without a hook =( |
| 23:41.28 | cladhaire | or at least a wrapper =) |
| 23:41.32 | AnduinLothar | i'll just getn myself and pass it |
| 23:42.50 | AnduinLothar | u like my evil trick of overloading the table with alternate info w/o a table tho |
| 23:42.51 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 23:43.18 | AnduinLothar | by concatting the indexed key to a string |
| 23:43.29 | AnduinLothar | which doesn't update setn |
| 23:43.43 | AnduinLothar | ;) can do that with any number of spaces too |
| 23:45.09 | cladhaire | hrm? |
| 23:45.53 | AnduinLothar | {1="hi", ["1"]="bye"} getn==1 |
| 23:46.13 | cladhaire | *nod* but to what end? |
| 23:46.26 | AnduinLothar | to preserve reverse compatibility |
| 23:46.43 | AnduinLothar | and insert the name of the defining frame for debug |
| 23:47.03 | cladhaire | i've just never seen a need for something like that.. lol |
| 23:47.15 | AnduinLothar | gg embedding |
| 23:47.41 | AnduinLothar | addons can call the old func before the new lib is loaded |
| 23:47.51 | AnduinLothar | and it preserves the database |
| 23:48.06 | AnduinLothar | the old ones just wont have the extra data |
| 23:49.05 | AnduinLothar | u have no idea how hard it is to optimize and preserve RC .... O.o |
| 23:49.12 | AnduinLothar | driving me crazy |
| 23:49.36 | cladhaire | lol |
| 23:49.47 | AnduinLothar | sometimes u just have to trow debug and make the authors update |
| 23:51.05 | rallion | hmm |
| 23:51.17 | rallion | I was going to work on stuff today...and then, I didn't |
| 23:52.09 | cladhaire | i agree.. i feel like crap and i'm on call |
| 23:52.15 | cladhaire | so much coding to get done tho =( |
| 23:56.23 | cladhaire | Were you going to send the hook code over? i'll probably have a chance to look at it tomorrow at work |
| 23:56.46 | AnduinLothar | ya, sry still making changes, lol |
| 23:57.05 | AnduinLothar | ill send it before tomorrow |
| 23:57.40 | AnduinLothar | i love drinking out of the carton.. |
| 23:57.49 | AnduinLothar | and 2-liter |
| 23:58.32 | AnduinLothar | wish i'd made an addon to time how much time ingame i'm not actually doing anything but coding |
| 23:58.57 | AnduinLothar | maybe count the number of times i use each slash command.. |
| 23:59.03 | cladhaire | Hahah that would be nice |
| 23:59.06 | AnduinLothar | that'd be kinda cool actually |
| 23:59.22 | AnduinLothar | i'll add it to my todo list O.o |
