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| 22:39.19 | [Butch] | Say, here's a dumb question. Other than curse and wowmatrix, what addon managers/updaters are there? |
| 22:39.28 | [Butch] | I have one installed and I can't remember it's f'ing name. :-) |
| 22:40.38 | [Butch] | OK, I remembered. :-) |
| 22:40.40 | [Butch] | It's Minion. |
| 22:41.20 | [Butch] | So now that I've figured that out, is there any reason to not use minion? |
| 22:41.32 | [Butch] | Is curse any better? Lots better? |
| 22:45.51 | Amarande | just depends which site's addons you use the most |
| 22:46.02 | Amarande | Curse downloads from Curse (duh), Minion downloads from WoWInterface |
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| 22:46.12 | Amarande | And WoWMatrix is evil and should not be used :P |
| 22:51.07 | [Butch] | So nothing major to worry about between curse and minion? |
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| 22:55.42 | Amarande | [Butch]: not really. Curse Client is ad supported, but hey, isn't everything these days |
| 22:56.07 | Amarande | you might as well start getting more used to adware as long as it's decently coded, seeing that even windows seems to be integrating advertising in 10 |
| 23:17.10 | Eraclito | honestly, screw win10 |
| 23:17.25 | Eraclito | i've read only bad things about it |
| 23:17.32 | Eraclito | i'll keep 7 until i can |
| 23:17.50 | Eraclito | then i may totally move to linux and fuck them |
| 23:24.00 | Amarande | as gamers, we're probably going to be stuck with 10 ultimately |
| 23:24.10 | Amarande | unless one cares to buy server 2016 essentials as a desktop os, anyway heh |
| 23:24.21 | Amarande | DX12 is probably going to be a requirement eventually |
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| 23:25.45 | kullervo | Eraclito: oddly, I asked for everyone's bad experiences, and I've yet to hear any |
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| 23:28.07 | Eraclito | kullervo, win10 saves too many personal info into their cloud |
| 23:28.18 | kullervo | that can be disabled |
| 23:28.20 | kullervo | and like I care |
| 23:28.21 | Eraclito | and according to terms of service, microsoft has access to all of them |
| 23:28.23 | kullervo | google already has my personal info |
| 23:28.30 | Eraclito | yes, but you know how to disable them |
| 23:28.41 | Eraclito | average next next next end user can't |
| 23:28.46 | kullervo | like it matters |
| 23:28.51 | kullervo | do you know? No hair off your balls |
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| 23:29.08 | Eraclito | but... i often do tech help as side job |
| 23:29.19 | kullervo | your own user experience should be the deciding factor for your own OS |
| 23:29.24 | Eraclito | and for every kullervo i have to deal with two thousand next next next end users |
| 23:29.58 | Eraclito | it's not nice when i have to "fix" stupid stuff microsoft did |
| 23:30.17 | Eraclito | but like i said, 7 is really good, in the last years microsoft is trying to get to dark corners |
| 23:31.11 | Eraclito | remember the whole xbox one thing, "always online" |
| 23:31.22 | Eraclito | and the turning back from their steps |
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| 23:44.42 | kullervo | I had no trouble with "always online" |
| 23:44.47 | kullervo | my steam is already "always online" |
| 23:46.28 | Amarande | and yeah, the marketing stuff, that's one thing, where people were getting really spooked was the thought of keyloggers |
| 23:46.52 | Amarande | to this point I still think Nadella is shooting himself in the foot with the small business market even now that we know there's plenty of opt-outs |
| 23:47.18 | Amarande | lawyers will probably worry about terms of service, especially in industries where there are privacy guarantees by law |
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| 23:47.52 | Amarande | and any business that's not big enough for enterprise to be cost effective either has to deal with paying careful attention to the opt-outs or has to spend $400 a machine (i.e., Server 2016 Essentials) |
| 23:49.11 | Amarande | unless it's a long-term strategic choice, as in, businesses and home users ought to be on completely separate editions so that consumers can be monetised properly without concern that businesses are on the same OS |
| 23:49.28 | Amarande | i.e., the idea is to eliminate "Pro" over the long run and mostly have people on "Home" or "Enterprise" |
| 23:50.35 | Amarande | but yeah, people had the fear that the marketing thing would have, say, you write the great american novel |
| 23:50.56 | Amarande | and next thing you know you find out microsoft recorded it as you typed it and sold it as "user marketing data" to some big book publisher, who then publishes it and treats YOU as a dirty pirate |
| 23:51.42 | Amarande | (then there's the European business market, which has had the usual concerns about these features resulting in proprietary data getting shared with the NSA via Microsoft and then sold to US companies for an unfair competitive advantage) |
| 23:56.29 | Eraclito | in some european countries privacy laws are pretty strict |
| 23:56.40 | Eraclito | and collecting data like that is totally illegal |
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