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| 01:51.00 | darkseid4nk | anyone around? |
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| 01:57.07 | blademeld | darkseid4nk: nada |
| 01:57.41 | blademeld | yo, TecnoBrat, do you use Oracle, and third party DBA for oracle DB? |
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| 02:04.44 | Amarande | I'm surprised anyone still uses oracle products anymore |
| 02:04.57 | Amarande | after all they seem to have been steadily busying themselves with managing to run every product they've got into the ground lately :P |
| 02:05.30 | Amarande | let's see ... they're steadily killing Java, and OpenSolaris has become once again closed |
| 02:05.38 | Amarande | (unless you're "testing") |
| 02:06.13 | Amarande | they've basically made hash of openoffice to the point that basically people laugh at it and use libreoffice if they use an open source office suite |
| 02:06.42 | Amarande | then there's that suit with Google that basically made Oracle look like Satan to a large amount of computer minded folk |
| 02:08.06 | Amarande | Seriously, they've basically made Microsoft and Apple look better than themselves :P |
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| 02:49.05 | blademeld | Amarande: I'm in Korea, we have the best hardware, but we use archaic software |
| 02:49.15 | blademeld | SUCH IS LIFE |
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| 04:38.50 | stormscape | blademeld, enjoying IE6? |
| 04:40.21 | blademeld | stormscape: I have my own laptop, so no |
| 04:40.39 | blademeld | I... have to do serial port programming in java though |
| 04:40.45 | blademeld | that's like seriously archaic |
| 04:41.04 | blademeld | considering Sun pulled comm support in 2005 |
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| 05:07.07 | Amarande | also, java is apparently a bitch to use nowadays unless you've got some special dev runtime |
| 05:07.35 | Amarande | like, the later versions of java will now apparently run ONLY signed applications (not just web applets, which are dying fast due to active moves by browser makers to kill web java) |
| 05:08.07 | Amarande | on top of that, you apparently don't get to self sign them either (there's apparently some enterprise management systems that are running into trouble lately due to that, because Dell self signed them instead of paying the Verisign tax) |
| 05:08.33 | tenterflex | sounds like oracle WANT java to die |
| 05:09.53 | Amarande | tenterflex: heh, it does seem like they've been killing off their products one by one lately, yeah |
| 05:10.18 | Amarande | I'm surprised they haven't tried to gut MySQL, especially since it competes directly with their flagship product |
| 05:11.14 | Amarande | well, non-Web Java on computers was always kind of niche it seems, more of an enterprise and embedded than a normal computer thing |
| 05:11.34 | blademeld | eh |
| 05:11.42 | Amarande | web Java proved to be intractable security-wise, not surprisingly as it seems the very architecture of Java doesn't really permit its success in that regard |
| 05:11.42 | blademeld | Java's too big to kill immediately anyway |
| 05:11.49 | blademeld | it'll bleed to death slowly |
| 05:11.50 | Amarande | so Google and Mozilla started phasing out NPAPI plugin support |
| 05:11.52 | blademeld | and painfully |
| 05:12.06 | Amarande | so the java plugin doesn't work with Chrome anymore and I believe Firefox is phasing it out too if it hasn't already |
| 05:12.32 | Amarande | which was actually the MAIN reason NPAPI was gutted, they went for the nuclear option because they were tired of the security problems emanating from the lousy java plugin |
| 05:13.02 | Amarande | (plus Google rather hates Oracle anyway nowadays, getting sued tends to do that) |
| 05:13.18 | blademeld | lol |
| 05:13.40 | blademeld | I bet you though |
| 05:13.47 | blademeld | if Oracle dropped Java now |
| 05:13.48 | Amarande | you know how bad the java web thing got? |
| 05:13.56 | blademeld | we'll still use Java for the next 8 years in Canada |
| 05:14.04 | blademeld | and 20 years in Korea |
| 05:14.05 | Amarande | let's put it this way ... some places (like EA's Pogo, which barely ever seems to do nice things for the user like, oh, actually maintain and update games :P) |
| 05:14.09 | Amarande | actually switched from Java BACK TO FLASH |
| 05:14.15 | blademeld | lol |
| 05:14.20 | Amarande | yes, FLASH was regarded as the lesser evil LOL |
| 05:14.32 | blademeld | that is rather significant |
| 05:15.06 | Amarande | mind you, also pretty much the only other option, alas |
| 05:15.25 | Amarande | since HTML5 hasn't really provided any solutions to that effect, Silverlight is basically dead (Netflix is about the only place that really uses it anymore) |
| 05:15.32 | Amarande | plus Silverlight was mostly Windows only anyway |
| 05:15.50 | blademeld | silverlight was alive at one point? |
| 05:15.59 | Amarande | and the only alternative to one of those is Flash or using proprietary mobile apps that mean you have to code several separate implementations or lose large amounts of potential market |
| 05:16.04 | Amarande | apparently |
| 05:16.08 | Amarande | alive enough to get netflix to decide to use it, anyway |
| 05:16.22 | blademeld | kek |
| 05:16.35 | Amarande | ironically when netflix adopted it was pretty much right when MS mostly stopped developing it |
| 05:21.39 | blademeld | Amarande: what do you use atm? |
| 05:22.37 | blademeld | also both javax.comm and rxtx have dlls that need to be placed in Windows folders, does anyone know if I make an exe on a computer with those dlls, can I use the same exe on another machine without the dlls? I assume not, but I no place to ask atm |
| 05:28.40 | blademeld | might have to just use lazarus I guess |
| 05:29.35 | Amarande | blademeld: haven't really done any kind of dev stuff in quite some time |
| 05:29.51 | Amarande | although I'm thinking of making a game in RMVX Ace sometime in the near future |
| 05:30.21 | Amarande | I also do not allow Java to come in contact with this PC nowadays, at least unless I'm running Linux at the time (where it's much more of a core component than it is on Windows) |
| 05:32.28 | blademeld | heh |
| 05:36.59 | blademeld | Java is the nectar of the gods, right? |
| 05:38.30 | Amarande | well |
| 05:38.38 | Amarande | if so, it might help explain why the Greek gods were so effed up |
| 05:38.39 | Amarande | LOL |
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| 20:04.48 | Dey | hello everyone |
| 20:05.14 | Dey | anyone here |
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| 23:16.46 | thhththth | Hello, I just want to start to play wow. What must i choise |
| 23:17.07 | thhththth | wow or complete editeion? |
| 23:17.17 | thhththth | edition* |
| 23:17.20 | kullervo | look at what they contain |
| 23:17.29 | kullervo | you'll need basic and the latest expansion |
| 23:17.52 | thhththth | i dont need 90 level Character Boost. |
| 23:18.02 | thhththth | but i want to get all content |
| 23:19.16 | thhththth | Includes World of Warcraft, Warlords of Draenor, and one Level 90 Character Boost." |
| 23:19.34 | thhththth | it's about complete edition |
| 23:19.57 | kullervo | probably cheaper than individual "wow" + "wod" |
| 23:21.09 | thhththth | so, if i want to get full content, full fun, must i choose full edition? |
| 23:22.07 | kullervo | probably |
| 23:25.09 | thhththth | well. thank you. I wiil read a bit more about it |
| 23:25.40 | thhththth | just want to play 2-3 time in week but with full fun and with last updates |
| 23:26.16 | thhththth | no need extra features |
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