| 00:00.58 | Lianth | ncsu, yeah, a lot of chars were killed during the escape from the around Dark Portal O.o and even after... |
| 00:04.19 | Amarande | and apparently once again the world first 100 or near 100 got banned |
| 00:04.33 | Amarande | how many expansion packs has it been now in a row where the world first top level turned out to be cheating and got banned? |
| 00:04.36 | Amarande | is it all of them? heh |
| 00:05.28 | Amarande | and for that matter why are players always in such a bloody rush to get things done nowadays |
| 00:05.34 | Lianth | probably |
| 00:05.52 | Lianth | I love lore, so I take my time:) |
| 00:06.08 | Amarande | I've even heard it posited that speed running is now the standard way to play games in general, pretty much |
| 00:08.03 | Amarande | yeah, time should be taken :) |
| 00:08.12 | Amarande | hell, I'm not even sure how humanity in general decided it was great to be in such a rush to things |
| 00:08.37 | Amarande | when we were kids, didn't we (if we were wise) try to make sure our toys lasted till the next toy-acquiring occasion, not try to wear them out as fast as possible? :) |
| 00:12.19 | Lianth | yeah |
| 00:12.22 | Lianth | true that :) |
| 00:12.34 | Lianth | I think it's now a lot about Achievements |
| 00:12.46 | Lianth | in fact it revived the game a lot |
| 00:12.57 | Lianth | but also it speeded it up |
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| 00:16.07 | ncsu | yeah achievements put alot of life into the game |
| 00:17.08 | Amarande | heh yeah, you get the console kids who think gamerscore somehow reflects something |
| 00:17.18 | Amarande | well, maybe it would if the point value of achievements actually somehow reflected their difficulty :S |
| 00:17.50 | Amarande | but when you get 25 points for just flying your mount around Northrend and only 10 for completing (insert raid battle here) in a nigh impossible manner ... LOL |
| 00:18.17 | Amarande | I'm guessing this is why Sony doesn't have a point system for theirs :) |
| 00:19.56 | Amarande | I suspect the speed thing has to do a lot with raiding environments too, though |
| 00:20.25 | Amarande | I'm trying to think of even a single MMO that isn't heavily stricken with the "if you're not ready for X raid in the first week or two, you're doomed" illness |
| 00:21.30 | Amarande | FFXIV to some degree, on the casual side, but lots of complaints about Coil |
| 00:21.56 | Amarande | I suppose SW:TOR or LOTRO, since SW:TOR makes it really easy to get geared "enough" for enough credits at least, while LOTRO players actually rarely seem to care about gearedness and such |
| 00:22.37 | Amarande | (this may be why nearly every LOTRO dungeon group I've been in has failed in such a ludicrous fashion that we all just laugh at how ridiculously bad we're doing, though, heh) |
| 00:22.54 | Amarande | although wait that's a *good* thing |
| 00:23.19 | Amarande | when you're epic failing in a dungeon, you *should* be trying to take it lightly and laugh at just how it's all going south |
| 00:23.38 | Amarande | there's not nearly enough such levity in say WoW, when people wipe in WoW they just seem to get angry |
| 00:24.11 | Amarande | like it's not, you know, just a game |
| 00:24.47 | Amarande | wait, what's that, okay, why am I suddenly seeing everyone come at me with brushes of sticky black stuff and duck feathers? *backs up slowly* |
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| 00:27.14 | Amarande | but yeh, that's another thing ... you get MMO people who think it's somehow not just a game :P |
| 00:27.26 | Amarande | the ones that you wonder how they can take things so hardcore serious and still actually have fun |
| 00:27.58 | Amarande | wait, I just suggested MMOs are fun ... aaggghhhh I see more tar and feathers coming my way *backs up some more* |
| 00:55.02 | Lianth | Amarande, for me the game alone is nothing. Or, better said, it would not amaze me that was if that was single player |
| 00:55.15 | Lianth | and I don't see any point in speeding up the game |
| 00:55.17 | Lianth | :) |
| 00:55.32 | Lianth | I like to raid, but I also like to chat and have fun |
| 00:55.55 | Lianth | and nowadays it's hard to find people sharing the same thoughts (like you ;)) |
| 00:55.59 | Lianth | anyway, I am off to bed :) |
| 00:56.01 | Lianth | see ya :) |
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| 02:27.03 | Stormkitty | http://i.imgur.com/zkrHx15.jpg |
| 02:27.38 | Amarande | wow, that's pretty empty |
| 02:27.45 | Amarande | lemme guess, nobody else was able to log on tonight besides you? LOL |
| 02:28.00 | Stormkitty | That's the garrison. |
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| 02:31.47 | Zyrri | that /r/wow drama, it's kinda funny seeing how many people just don't get how reddit works |
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| 02:33.42 | Stormkitty | Zyrri, I love how it all boils down to the head mod being a giant vagina |
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| 02:34.09 | Zyrri | yup |
| 02:35.05 | Zyrri | be surprised if that community ever really recovers |
| 02:36.01 | raspy | weeeee |
| 02:36.40 | raspy | 141 in queue down rom 4k @1pm pst |
| 02:41.33 | Stormkitty | Zyrri, r/worldofwarcraft already over 3k subscribers |
| 02:41.49 | Zyrri | out of ~100k |
| 02:42.09 | Stormkitty | Honestly the community was shit anyway |
| 02:42.32 | Zyrri | it was over 2k before the shutdown too |
| 02:54.52 | Amarande | yeah, that /r/wow guy sounds like a crass act, indeed |
| 02:55.16 | Amarande | Crass, not class. :) |
| 02:55.29 | Amarande | mind you, one thing I've always found myself wondering though about this whole doxxing thing |
| 02:55.45 | Amarande | I mean, yeah, it's immature and douchebaggery up to eleven and all, definitely |
| 02:55.55 | Amarande | but ... aren't doxxers just parroting stuff that you've already let be public about yourself on the 'net anyway? |
| 02:55.56 | Zyrri | the guy linked to his okcupid profile on his twitter, which he linked to from reddit |
| 02:56.04 | Amarande | unless they're actually hacking people's accounts to get said info |
| 02:56.17 | Zyrri | he doxxed himself |
| 02:56.24 | Amarande | although I guess there might be some embarrassment even to having your publicly viewable info all put out like that :S |
| 02:56.31 | Amarande | like "crap, THIS is what HR gets to see every time I apply for a job?" heh |
| 02:56.49 | Zyrri | kids these days |
| 02:56.57 | Zyrri | glad i'm old enough that my entire childhood isn't on the internets |
| 02:57.15 | Amarande | don't worry, the smart missiles will end human civilisation before long, no doubt |
| 02:57.18 | Amarande | did you hear about those? |
| 02:57.37 | Amarande | the New York Times mentioned them a few days ago ... apparently the US military is testing out self-targeting missiles |
| 02:57.47 | Amarande | not self-*guided* missiles, mind you, those have been around for aeons |
| 02:57.55 | Amarande | we're talking missiles that actually PICK THEIR TARGETS on their own |
| 02:58.05 | Amarande | ... does this ever end well? LOL |
| 02:58.49 | Amarande | we can't even get computers to reliably tell spam from legitimate email, and now we're going to trust them to determine friend from foe and self-target missiles |
| 02:58.50 | Zyrri | hope our target recognition is good |
| 02:59.01 | Zyrri | been reading a book where the military uses "loiter" missles |
| 02:59.11 | Zyrri | launch a flock, and they take out targets as they show themselves |
| 02:59.58 | Zyrri | the stuff they target is probably mostly vehicles |
| 03:00.03 | Zyrri | and those don't really change shape |
| 03:00.09 | Zyrri | not like spam does |
| 03:00.54 | Amarande | it's also kind of scary if we ever get the totalitarian state that people are afraid of, heh |
| 03:01.00 | Amarande | imagine how easy it will be for them to eliminate dissidents |
| 03:01.46 | Zyrri | we're way past that |
| 03:01.47 | Amarande | like, they'd just have to have, say, car repair centres (which you *have to* visit regularly because you need to get emissions tested ...) secretly told to attach some sort of recognisable standard to dissidents' cars |
| 03:02.04 | Amarande | doesn't need to have any kind of function even. could just be a yellow smiley face if they wanted, though Walmart would get pissed at that one heh |
| 03:02.16 | Zyrri | people who think they can form a militia to stand against a first world country are insane |
| 03:02.20 | Amarande | then they just have the military set up some smart missiles set to "target everything that's got (symbol) attached" |
| 03:03.27 | Zyrri | so, the plot of the last captain america? ;p |
| 03:38.23 | Stormkitty | Amarande, the supposed doxxing was a link to his dating site profile that was under the same username |
| 03:38.29 | Stormkitty | Hardly call that doxxing |
| 03:38.34 | Stormkitty | that's called 10 seconds on google |
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| 03:51.37 | Mr_Rabies | that he apparently linked on his twitter which ALSO uses the same username |
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| 03:52.56 | Amarande | yeah, that's just lame |
| 03:53.09 | Amarande | and if that behaviour's associated with his personal profile now, so much the better |
| 03:53.23 | Amarande | would YOU want to hire someone who'll shut down stuff in a fit of pique like that? don't think I would! |
| 03:54.09 | Amarande | "has fits of pique" is not a salable employee trait LOL |
| 03:54.42 | Amarande | unless maybe you're applying for Everquest customer support about 10-15 years ago, I suppose |
| 03:55.04 | Stormkitty | or Blizzard CSR now |
| 03:59.31 | Amarande | Stormkitty: I dunno, that probably involves monk-like patience now ... aren't you're supposed to just stand there expressing no personal feelings, just holding up the company standard kinda like this little green dude ... http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/3d-person-puppet-holding-hand-sign-no-5041480.jpg :) |
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| 04:01.40 | Fawnest | He's denying 100K+ people their community because he can't play the game. Everyone has to wait, why should he get special treatment? Because he made the wow reddit? ooooh 10special12me better hop offline so he can log |
| 04:02.13 | Amarande | Fawnest: sadly, it seems to be epidemic among hardcore MMO players :( |
| 04:02.28 | Amarande | they think they're somehow special and elite and better than you |
| 04:03.42 | Fawnest | I think his mother forgot to change his diaper that day because he's a whiny ass bitch pulling a stunt like that. So is blizz supposed to knock OTHER paying customers offline so he can play because he feels special and entitled? |
| 04:03.54 | Fawnest | scuse me while I go laugh until I piss myself over that lol |
| 04:03.56 | Amarande | I hope he's not on a realm where people buy and sell raid clears (does that happen in WoW? I'm not sure I've really seen it happen here lately) either |
| 04:04.06 | Amarande | that kind of personality is especially toxic on such realms |
| 04:04.15 | Fawnest | It happens so much on my realm -.- |
| 04:04.29 | Amarande | where not only will hardcores act all high and mighty, but some of them will even deliberately sabotage learning groups |
| 04:04.55 | Amarande | why? simple, to demoralise the learning players so they feel like they will never get anywhere unless they shell out the gil/gold/credits/whatnot for a carry |
| 04:05.36 | Fawnest | I considered myself pretty hardcore in high school (when free time was a real thing, not a dream lol) but I don't understand that mentality. They complain about bad players but are never willing to help a newbie out because helping out a newbie doesn't make them feel high. mighty and elite. |
| 04:05.40 | Amarande | I guess people learn too much from life (where megacorporations love to destroy the little guy so that, you guessed it! you have to become their customer/subsidiary instead of having any kind of autonomy!) |
| 04:06.14 | Fawnest | But the game can only improve from taking that three minute time slot to tell them "Hey you could be doing better like this, I made the same mistake before" |
| 04:06.18 | Stormkitty | Amarande, apparently r/wow back online, Leddit Admins removed nitesmoke and installed aphoenix |
| 04:06.37 | Amarande | wow, that's interesting ... I was reading the admins basically never intervene |
| 04:07.15 | Stormkitty | very large subreddits require exceptional circumstances |
| 04:07.55 | Amarande | heh, you mean like Wikia doing all they can to sabotage Wowpedia on search engines? :P |
| 04:08.03 | Stormkitty | haha yeah |
| 04:08.06 | Amarande | because, probably, wowwiki was their sugar daddy :P |
| 04:08.07 | Stormkitty | I always have to add "wowpedia" |
| 04:08.36 | Amarande | not that it seems we ever get to win in the anti-megacorp game |
| 04:08.44 | Amarande | I mean, let's see, even if we DO achieve something |
| 04:09.39 | Stormkitty | Amarande, this is why reddit admins stepped in: http://www.reddit.com/r/redditrequest/comments/2miiuj/rwow_i_would_like_to_request_this_iama_former/ |
| 04:09.42 | Amarande | either a) megacorp shuts down ... yaaaaaaay, we've won? if making a bunch of families tell their kids they'll be getting no presents and eating holiday dinner at the shelter is "winning" |
| 04:10.44 | Amarande | b) megacorp just marches on but loses money ... yaaaaaaay, megacorps never take damage from that. they have the Invincible Redirect Shield of Layoffs, CEOs laugh and some families tell their kids they'll be getting no presents and eating dinner at the shelter again |
| 04:10.54 | Amarande | c) nothing really happens to the company, just some people who enjoyed the product get to lose out |
| 04:12.01 | Amarande | you have better luck going up against Sargeras than you do trying to put a dent in Big Business, LOL |
| 04:12.32 | Amarande | ... speaking of which, since the last time we came to Outland we got to fight Kil'Jaeden at the end of the expansion, are we going to get Sargeras as the final enemy this time? |
| 04:12.47 | Stormkitty | Sargeras way too strong |
| 04:12.53 | Amarande | yeah, possibly |
| 04:12.58 | Stormkitty | I believe lore said mortals can't even get within 1000km of him without catching fire |
| 04:12.59 | Amarande | although level 100 is a milestone, so maybe |
| 04:13.23 | Amarande | but yeah, my thought is always that Sargeras will be held back as raid content for the great goodbye |
| 04:13.44 | Amarande | i.e., the point when Blizzard finally announces that there will be no more new PvE content in WoW |
| 04:14.37 | Stormkitty | Blizzard said as recently as 6 months ago they think there's still 10 years left in this game |
| 04:14.38 | Amarande | and then it'll be some huge epic thing, probably with the Green Dragonflight backing up the raid (if lore's right, I'm guessing you basically will need Ysera Herself as an ally?) |
| 04:14.43 | Stormkitty | I mean, EQ1 is still around. |
| 04:15.03 | Amarande | well yeah, now that Titan's canned, WoW probably has a lot longer to go |
| 04:15.17 | Amarande | but hey, Diablo 2 is still playable on Bnet, so is WC3, so is D1 I think |
| 04:15.29 | Stormkitty | D2 is still actively maintained |
| 04:15.34 | Stormkitty | they're doing a ladder reset next month |
| 04:16.04 | Amarande | I doubt they'll ever shut down the servers themselves until probably when Windows progresses to a point where the WoW client doesn't run anymore without a total redo |
| 04:16.17 | Amarande | that won't be for a long long time either |
| 04:16.26 | Stormkitty | Windows changes gradually enough I doubt that'd happen |
| 04:16.36 | Stormkitty | Just think, WoW was written for 9x and XP originally |
| 04:16.38 | Amarande | however, who knows when they'll run out of new PvE content to make |
| 04:16.48 | Amarande | does EQ1 still get new content, or does it just like, exist? |
| 04:17.04 | Stormkitty | I know EQ2 still gets new expansions |
| 04:17.08 | Stormkitty | will have to check for EQ1 |
| 04:17.29 | Stormkitty | The Darkened Sea (October 2014) |
| 04:17.32 | Stormkitty | EQ1 expansion |
| 04:17.35 | Stormkitty | just released |
| 04:18.01 | Amarande | I have to wonder how MMOs even survive that long |
| 04:18.22 | Amarande | and still maintain some meaningful progression, unless they've gone the Guild Wars route where everything is a vanity sidegrade now |
| 04:19.07 | Amarande | after all, if you read forum posts, it seems like the biggest problem the MMO paradigm suffers from is how to replace customers lost to attrition |
| 04:19.33 | Amarande | because new players have such an uphill fight ahead to be able to get groups when everyone else is progressed so far and expects a certain level to join |
| 04:20.36 | Amarande | that and after enough expansions, you'd think the player levels will start to resemble something out of a Nippon Ichi strategy game. :) |
| 04:21.31 | Amarande | (hell, WoW numbers were already starting to slowly creep in that direction before the stat squish. Still not nearly as big as NIS games though ... in those, endgame combos often deal damage numbers in the 15 digits or more) |
| 04:21.51 | Stormkitty | Amarande, well EQ1 is down to 17 servers |
| 04:21.56 | Stormkitty | which is 15 more than I expected |
| 04:22.13 | Amarande | yeah, it must still be pretty popular |
| 04:22.20 | Amarande | that's about as many as Old Republic or LOTRO have |
| 04:22.42 | Amarande | and those are much newer, and still very much alive despite the usual "they're dying, they went F2P" screeds |
| 04:23.10 | Amarande | at least I THINK that's about as many as Old Republic or LOTRO have, I might be foggy on that though |
| 04:23.22 | Amarande | I still wonder what LOTRO is going to do after the next two or three expansions though :S |
| 04:23.30 | Stormkitty | EQ1 is f2p though |
| 04:23.47 | Stormkitty | subscription is amazingly enough, still $15/month |
| 04:26.11 | Amarande | LOTRO is almost at Minas Tirith, supposed to get there early next year |
| 04:26.32 | Amarande | but that means they're basically getting done with Gondor ... next stop is Mordor, at which point ??? because the whole LOTRO storyline follows alongside the Trilogy |
| 04:26.44 | Amarande | and after that, the Trilogy's over |
| 04:27.19 | Amarande | 15 a month doesn't surprise me, I can only think of like, two MMOs that have an exception to the usual 14.99/13.99/12.99 system |
| 04:27.51 | Amarande | FFXIV where you can pay 3 bucks or so less a month in exchange for only being able to have 1 character per server, and LOTRO where if you go for any of the multi month plans it drops to 10 a month |
| 04:47.55 | Zyrri | https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/2mj3s6/welcome_back/ |
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| 05:34.18 | Stormkitty | Some guy on my server's trade is... trying to buy Garrison Resources. |
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| 05:38.22 | Amarande | those even tradable? :) |
| 05:38.43 | Amarande | though eh, every now and then someone in /2 mistakenly tries to buy or sell something that's BoP |
| 05:38.59 | Amarande | and then there was the time a friend and I had a sad moment because of BoP |
| 05:39.38 | Amarande | this was way back in BC ... I linked her my Jewelcrafting recipes and she saw a neckpiece that looked really nice, so she asks if I can make her one |
| 05:39.43 | Amarande | and I'm like "sure, just bring me the mats" |
| 05:40.04 | Amarande | so she gathers the mats, some being higher end vanilla gems that are still not especially cheap |
| 05:40.20 | Amarande | mails them to me, I do the craft, and it's only after I do the craft and go to mail it ... |
| 05:40.22 | Amarande | "That's bound to me." |
| 05:40.41 | Amarande | and I look ... aaaaaaaarggghhhhhhhh it does say BoP ... |
| 05:41.10 | Amarande | crafting why must you do this to us |
| 05:41.31 | Amarande | there's always at least one item that seems like a normal leveling blue but for some reason it's BoP |
| 05:41.34 | Amarande | WHY |
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| 15:18.15 | JunkHead | hey |
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| 19:00.03 | Kane_ | So JunkHead |
| 19:00.08 | Kane_ | watch this stream is mine |
| 19:00.11 | Kane_ | http://www.twitch.tv/stonelegion |
| 19:00.14 | Kane_ | The queue will keep going up |
| 19:00.17 | Kane_ | rather then down |
| 19:01.12 | JunkHead | wow wtf |
| 19:01.21 | JunkHead | thats crazy |
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| 19:19.31 | Lianth | . |
| 19:28.07 | JunkHead | Kane_Hart - you tried tweeting that to blizzard? |
| 19:28.23 | Kane_Hart | nah feel free their not worth my time haha |
| 19:28.42 | JunkHead | i will |
| 19:31.05 | JunkHead | Ok I sent to some people |
| 19:31.59 | Lianth | lol |
| 19:32.01 | Lianth | 360 minutes |
| 19:32.02 | Lianth | :D |
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| 20:26.24 | Zyrri | https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2mkvj9/i_am_actress_natalie_dormer_ama/ |
| 20:27.06 | JunkHead | who is natalie dormer? |
| 20:28.33 | Zyrri | ack |
| 20:28.35 | Zyrri | blasphemy |
| 20:29.04 | Zyrri | "You might know me from my roles as Anne Boleyn in the Showtime series The Tudors, Irene Adler in Elementary, and Margaery Tyrell in the HBO series Game of Thrones... and my latest project, as Cressida in The Hunger Games: Mockingjay, Parts 1 & 2." |
| 20:29.10 | JunkHead | after clicking the link, I've never seen anything she's been in. At least nothign she listed anyway. |
| 20:30.23 | Zyrri | but! Game of Thrones! |
| 20:31.57 | Zyrri | Game of Thrones being so successful makes me hopeful that other books will get good screen adaptation treatments |
| 20:36.30 | Ward | it's hardly a new concept for cable |
| 20:36.32 | Ward | Dexter |
| 20:36.34 | Ward | True Blood |
| 20:36.56 | Zyrri | well, high fantasy books |
| 20:37.07 | Zyrri | i'd kill for a Kingkiller Chronicle series |
| 20:37.41 | JunkHead | I've seen 2-3 episodes of true blood before. |
| 20:37.45 | JunkHead | didn't care for it though. |
| 20:37.50 | JunkHead | I liked the intro song |
| 20:37.56 | Zyrri | TB went on a few years too long |
| 20:38.44 | JunkHead | i saw the first few episodes. |
| 20:38.48 | JunkHead | in 1st season |
| 20:38.55 | JunkHead | my attempt at starting a new series. |
| 20:39.03 | JunkHead | lasted an afternoon.:P |
| 20:39.03 | Ward | I've seen every single episode |
| 20:39.08 | Ward | but the last few seasons weren't good |
| 20:39.24 | Zyrri | i watched everything until the start of the last season and gave up |
| 20:39.37 | Ward | the copious abuse of Anna Paquin's tits was ok |
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| 21:43.47 | ShaunDreclin | hey, whats the deal with garrison profession buildings? if im a tailor do I really need the tailor building / what bonuses would it give? |
| 21:47.14 | ncsu | think they give you crafting materials you cant get elsewhere with its work orders.....or something |
| 21:57.58 | JunkHead | Ok I'm down to choosing my last Medium building. |
| 21:58.03 | JunkHead | I have an Inn. |
| 21:58.18 | JunkHead | So I can make a Barn, Gladiator's Sanctum, Lumber Mill or Trading post |
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| 23:23.01 | Zyrri | https://i.imgur.com/jYzXU11.jpg - that's awesome |
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