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| 09:13.23 | Kane_Hart | 8 hours of downtime.. |
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| 13:23.58 | Dedra | Is this an EU wow chat? O.o |
| 13:28.00 | ktwo | i dont think there is a region-requirement^ |
| 13:28.11 | ktwo | it's just the wowhead channel |
| 13:52.24 | Kane_Hart | alliance gnome US only irc chat ;) |
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| 14:43.57 | JunkHead | word |
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| 14:58.46 | penegina | hi |
| 14:58.55 | penegina | is there anybody here? |
| 14:59.12 | equiraptor | Yes, but we tend to be a bunch of lurkers a lot of the time. |
| 15:00.12 | penegina | you don't chat about wow? |
| 15:00.40 | penegina | I see a lot of people here, but without chating :/ |
| 15:00.57 | Dedra | haha |
| 15:01.27 | Dedra | yeah, I'm looking for an hero group, to farm PvP-Honor. |
| 15:01.47 | Dedra | But hard to get some good 540+ for fast clear runs :\ |
| 15:01.48 | equiraptor | Sure we do, from time to time. But a lot of people leave their client on IRC even when they can't talk. |
| 15:01.54 | equiraptor | So you see a lot of people comprade to those who speak. |
| 15:02.04 | penegina | bahhh this is so boring :( |
| 15:02.05 | equiraptor | Like, right now, I have to go for my commute to work, and then I'll only be sometimes around during work. |
| 15:02.11 | equiraptor | But I'll still be in the channel. |
| 15:02.18 | penegina | xD |
| 15:02.27 | penegina | Good luck, I'll go out of here :P |
| 15:02.36 | Dedra | yes boring, BUT 4-6k honor in 1h ^^ |
| 15:03.00 | Dedra | i did it on my own with my 555 monk, 5-7min for a hero (solo) i got my full 522 gear in ~4-5h |
| 15:03.20 | Dedra | but i cant do this on my own with my shadow priest :\ |
| 15:03.35 | penegina | Ohhh :3 |
| 15:03.44 | penegina | It's starting to be intresting :D |
| 15:03.48 | Dedra | so fast heroics worth it |
| 15:04.18 | Dedra | but for this, you need to have a pre group, or over equiped monk / pala / warrior ^^ |
| 15:04.54 | penegina | which class do you think is the most easy to control on PvE healing ? |
| 15:05.23 | penegina | I always have played with an affliction warlock, i wanna start on PvE healing hehe |
| 15:05.24 | Dedra | with gear, or without? |
| 15:05.43 | Dedra | i have all classes on max level since start of BC :D |
| 15:05.50 | Dedra | so i can answer it ^^ |
| 15:06.03 | penegina | Old school, fantastic! |
| 15:06.08 | Dedra | most heal, without good gear is druid, easy to handle, and good heal with gear is diszi |
| 15:06.12 | penegina | I've played on WOTLK |
| 15:06.32 | penegina | I'm starting on MoP rigth now, a lot of time without wow D: |
| 15:06.35 | Dedra | diszi need gear, so that you have enough mana reg |
| 15:06.52 | Dedra | and diszi is easy to play, because you just smite on a target, and you heal. You dont need to switch targets |
| 15:06.56 | Dedra | like you do it with other heals |
| 15:08.12 | penegina | diszi is an dicipline priest rigth? |
| 15:08.39 | penegina | I feel so nob after that long time with no playing :S |
| 15:08.44 | penegina | *noob |
| 15:08.48 | Dedra | yes |
| 15:08.59 | Dedra | disc isnt pvp anymore |
| 15:09.03 | Dedra | holy is "more" pvp :) |
| 15:09.32 | penegina | D: |
| 15:10.00 | penegina | i've seen that the hordes and allies doesn't figth anymore, right? |
| 15:10.21 | Dedra | nope, still hate |
| 15:10.25 | penegina | I miss to camp low-level guys :'( |
| 15:10.43 | penegina | but i cant attack them :/ |
| 15:10.53 | Dedra | compares which zone |
| 15:10.55 | Dedra | and pvp server? |
| 15:14.06 | penegina | im playing in a private "it's free" server hehe |
| 15:14.11 | penegina | right now |
| 15:14.39 | Dedra | most fun (heal) in pvp is monk, by far (for me). But that's just becose soooooo mobile, and fun. But without spheres (wod)..... dont know... this just takes out the dynamic of monk heal for me |
| 15:14.52 | Dedra | it's useless in pve, ok. But in PvP it's just so fun to play with |
| 15:15.08 | Dedra | charge, balls balls balls, charge, channeling heal heal channeling, charge, balls balls :D |
| 15:15.10 | penegina | from 3.5.5 -> to 4.4.1 has changes a lot, LOT of things :S |
| 15:15.32 | Dedra | well, i was programming a private server, for such a long time |
| 15:15.38 | Dedra | but it's not compareable |
| 15:17.30 | penegina | i have mounted a mini private server 3.5.5 on trinity it was funny, i did it for an school project :3 |
| 15:18.19 | penegina | but, i haven't prorammed nothing, i've survived with internet tutorials haha |
| 15:18.47 | penegina | in which language do you need to programm a private server? c++? |
| 15:26.29 | g0urra | fewyn, TecnoBrat: ping |
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| 15:37.18 | fewyn | eh |
| 15:37.20 | fewyn | he already left |
| 15:45.14 | Kane_Hart | Stupid private servers. They get more updates then the real thing :P |
| 15:46.08 | Kane_Hart | In before someone tries to wack me :P "A Private server is a machine or virtual machine that is privately administrated. As servers need adequate internet connection, power and can be noisy, they are often located in a collocation center." |
| 15:48.57 | kullervo | I'd still boot you were this my channel, if only for being a smartass about it |
| 15:55.11 | JunkHead | fewyn |
| 15:55.27 | JunkHead | did you ever get your question about inactive characters figured out? I just saw it on twitter. |
| 15:55.32 | fewyn | yeah |
| 15:55.39 | JunkHead | I was gonna suggest something too |
| 15:55.41 | fewyn | you can try to character transfer |
| 15:55.53 | JunkHead | log in, and go to the account, and check what characters are yeah |
| 15:55.54 | JunkHead | nm. |
| 15:55.54 | fewyn | i was thinking about activating a second account |
| 15:56.07 | JunkHead | i check trasnfer eligibility |
| 15:56.12 | fewyn | lol blizzardcs just replied to the tweet |
| 15:56.20 | JunkHead | Yup. thats why i saw it.:P |
| 15:56.33 | JunkHead | i saw their answer i was like... no just check transfers... |
| 15:57.08 | JunkHead | but i guess that doesnt help you if you got a really awesome character under lvl 10.... |
| 15:57.19 | JunkHead | sentimental value or something. |
| 15:59.16 | fewyn | http://i.imgur.com/hdUuS7u.png |
| 15:59.32 | Kane_Hart | Mines broken. |
| 15:59.42 | Kane_Hart | Does not show the Beta I never got into :P |
| 16:00.51 | JunkHead | i can't connect to battle.net yet so i cant see mine. |
| 16:00.57 | JunkHead | but it looks worse.:P |
| 16:15.56 | fewyn | picking which buildings to use for my garrison is going to be tough... they all sound so good |
| 16:16.45 | JunkHead | i havent messe with garrisons much |
| 16:16.50 | JunkHead | only played the beta a little bit |
| 16:17.01 | fewyn | i'm messing around on the beta atm |
| 16:17.12 | fewyn | on the special level 100 realm |
| 16:17.16 | JunkHead | i would if mine was updated |
| 16:17.28 | JunkHead | slow ass internet here tough. so ill have to wait |
| 16:18.46 | JunkHead | ill update it tonight after work. |
| 16:18.52 | fewyn | http://www.speedtest.net/result/3699625664.png |
| 16:19.17 | JunkHead | i hate you |
| 16:21.59 | Kane_Hart | I wish I could get as much upspeed :( |
| 16:22.15 | Kane_Hart | http://www.speedtest.net/result/3699633269.png |
| 16:22.27 | kullervo | I miss my old fiber >_> |
| 16:22.56 | kullervo | 250/50 for 40/mo |
| 16:23.18 | JunkHead | I pay like.. 70 bucks for 24/2 |
| 16:23.22 | JunkHead | so yeah.... |
| 16:25.32 | Kane_Hart | I will not even tell you what I pay.. But being Canadian sucks :S |
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| 16:41.28 | JunkHead | http://www.gameinformer.com/games/the_golf_club/b/pc/archive/2014/08/19/game-informer-golf-club-review.aspx |
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| 17:48.10 | Kane_Hart | Due to billions we make a year will be extending maintance. |
| 17:49.45 | JunkHead | ? |
| 17:52.23 | Kane_Hart | give it 8 min :P then it will sink in :) |
| 17:53.56 | equiraptor | Did they post about an extension somewhere? |
| 18:15.20 | JunkHead | so... |
| 18:23.54 | JunkHead | wow is up btw. |
| 18:24.02 | JunkHead | battle.net seems to still be having issues though |
| 18:24.20 | JunkHead | i had to log in and type my info in since the launcher didnt do anything |
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| 20:14.03 | Stormkitty | guys what race should I make my warrior gonna start playing her again and correct my previous mistake of making her female dwarf |
| 20:14.27 | JunkHead | hmmm |
| 20:14.42 | JunkHead | draenei |
| 20:14.46 | Stormkitty | once upon a time when I made her back in 2007 she was female night elf |
| 20:15.00 | Stormkitty | but I got too many max level NEs now |
| 20:17.39 | Stormkitty | Junk you know thinking about it, I very rarely see draenei warriors |
| 20:17.40 | Stormkitty | like |
| 20:17.40 | Stormkitty | ever |
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| 20:17.54 | JunkHead | you can be female draenei! |
| 20:20.01 | Stormkitty | yus |
| 20:20.55 | JunkHead | it's yo duty... to stare at dat booty. |
| 20:23.32 | Stormkitty | sex appeal about a horned babe with built in heels |
| 20:30.02 | Eraclito | i think there's some addon messing with my characters titles |
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| 20:30.42 | JunkHead | i agree |
| 20:30.49 | Amarande | *blink* *blink* |
| 20:30.53 | Amarande | when did THIS happen? |
| 20:31.15 | Amarande | I was reading a thread on the Bnet forums just now, and mousing over someone's guild name I saw "Level 25 Neutral Guild" |
| 20:31.26 | Amarande | ... when did WoW start having neutral guilds? *blink* |
| 20:31.35 | fewyn | ? |
| 20:31.36 | JunkHead | they didnt |
| 20:31.47 | fewyn | link? |
| 20:31.54 | Amarande | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2267589498 |
| 20:31.58 | kullervo | Eraclito: if you gain a title and then lose it, you'll equip some other title |
| 20:32.07 | Amarande | mouse over the Anam Cara guy near the end, for me it said "level 25 neutral guild" |
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| 20:32.16 | kullervo | for instance, some scenarios, raids, etc |
| 20:32.25 | fewyn | no idea Amarande |
| 20:32.27 | fewyn | shrug |
| 20:32.31 | Amarande | and I'm not entirely sure that's a bug, since Currybeef's guild further up is listed as an Alliance guild |
| 20:32.36 | JunkHead | its a horde guild |
| 20:32.46 | Stormkitty | says neutral for me |
| 20:32.49 | Amarande | Yeah, I've played on Ysera, so that I knew |
| 20:32.55 | Stormkitty | Escaping Into Insanity says neutral too |
| 20:32.59 | JunkHead | hovering over it it says nuetral yeah |
| 20:33.00 | Amarande | but for some reason it's saying Neutral instead of Horde ... |
| 20:33.05 | Stormkitty | so does Moonside |
| 20:33.05 | JunkHead | but its a horde guild if you click on it |
| 20:33.11 | Stormkitty | I think there's a display error atm |
| 20:33.13 | JunkHead | as for why it says beutral... shit if i know |
| 20:33.15 | fewyn | it's probably a bug |
| 20:33.17 | Amarande | huh, weird |
| 20:33.17 | JunkHead | neutral |
| 20:33.26 | Amarande | one wonders how there's even coding for a 'neutral guild' at all, though |
| 20:33.38 | Amarande | you'd think that would be a boolean :P |
| 20:33.51 | JunkHead | maybe blizz finally got tired of players claiming horde favortism and alliance favortism. |
| 20:33.58 | JunkHead | Said the hell with everyone. |
| 20:34.00 | Amarande | possibly some sort of compatibility feature with mop, maybe |
| 20:34.28 | Amarande | probably the designator exists just to cover the shouldn't-happen case where an unfactioned pandaren somehow founds a guild (which I'm pretty sure isn't actually possible) |
| 20:34.33 | Amarande | but it shouldn't be showing up on the boards :) |
| 20:35.09 | JunkHead | currybeef is a 90 tauren hunter |
| 20:35.16 | JunkHead | in a lvl alliance guild |
| 20:35.22 | Amarande | ... yeah, that's odd, too |
| 20:35.26 | JunkHead | lvl 1 |
| 20:35.43 | Amarande | and I could have sworn Undying was a more established guild than that |
| 20:35.45 | JunkHead | could be a bug relating to a guild faction transfer also. |
| 20:36.47 | Amarande | ended up on this thread when I was referencing the Valafar affair when talking to some SW:TOR friends about guild dynamics in MMOs. |
| 20:36.58 | Amarande | which is probably why Ysera has things like 700+ member guilds that don't raid |
| 20:37.22 | Amarande | we're friendly enough to attract a large population but apparently the hardcore raiding spirit got stolen from the server way back in vanilla :( |
| 20:55.25 | Amarande | *checks up on the WoD latest notes* |
| 20:55.49 | Amarande | am I getting a correct vibe that the changes for 6.0 are slanted towards being PvP oriented or am I reading the notes wrong? |
| 20:56.13 | Amarande | (and not really counting statsquish as a "change" since that's just number maintenance so we don't become Disgaea: The MMO) |
| 20:58.49 | Mr_Rabies | they're not any more towards being pvp than pve |
| 20:59.02 | Mr_Rabies | first off, losing hit and expertise is a huge pve change |
| 21:00.38 | Amarande | yeah, that's probably been on everyone's wishlist for a while |
| 21:00.49 | Amarande | hell, that was one of the *biggest* reasons I barely got to try raiding in BC |
| 21:01.14 | Amarande | because 202 hit rating was ginormous with the available gear pre-raid back then (especially with heroics being a step ABOVE raiding for most people, as they wanted raid geared folks for quick runs) |
| 21:01.28 | Amarande | heh. yeah. another reason we need stat squishes. :) |
| 21:01.40 | Amarande | 202 hit rating? that's like ... less than one piece of gear in MoP LOL |
| 21:01.50 | Amarande | in BC it was all you needed on a caster |
| 21:03.30 | Stormkitty | pffft, all I needed was 64. |
| 21:04.15 | Mr_Rabies | part of the reason most people didn't get to raid much in tbc was the terrible attunement system |
| 21:04.30 | Mr_Rabies | and basically having to run each raid in order to some extent |
| 21:04.59 | Amarande | on the good side, Kara was one of the most uniquely atmospheric dungeons in the entire game :) |
| 21:05.12 | Amarande | I find about the only other place that really feels similar atmospherically is probably Scholomance |
| 21:05.18 | Amarande | (and the newer one seems less so than the old) |
| 21:05.33 | Mr_Rabies | kara was nice but didn't make much sense |
| 21:05.46 | Amarande | I think because Kara and old Scholo were both huge, but new Scholo is a good bit smaller |
| 21:05.51 | Mr_Rabies | it felt like the dungeon and the bosses had very little synergy |
| 21:06.02 | Amarande | well, it was a mad mage's tower, pretty much |
| 21:06.03 | Eraclito | i miss the closed rooms of scholomance |
| 21:06.12 | Mr_Rabies | doesn't new scholo pretty much just get rid of rattlegore's room? |
| 21:06.13 | Amarande | those sort of things tend to be, well, a little bit random |
| 21:06.19 | Mr_Rabies | and the rest is roughly the same? |
| 21:06.29 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: plus the 6 bosses near Gandling are gone, and Ras Frostwhisper's old room is gone |
| 21:06.30 | Mr_Rabies | oh, the end part |
| 21:06.31 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 21:06.38 | Mr_Rabies | i'm okay with removing literally all of those |
| 21:06.38 | Amarande | along with Ras, and the nice epic robe he dropped :( |
| 21:06.51 | Amarande | although when it comes to more recent changes to 1-60 content I miss crafting recipes more |
| 21:07.10 | Amarande | I tend to get pretty completist when I take a crafting profession, so that can bug a person to no end |
| 21:07.30 | Mr_Rabies | i just turn off ones that aren't obtainable anymore in ackis recipe list |
| 21:07.42 | Amarande | Probably the worst hit is Engineering, on balance |
| 21:07.44 | Mr_Rabies | and get what is |
| 21:07.57 | Amarande | that one rifle that dropped in EPL seems to be gone, although nobody seems to have actually confirmed it for sure |
| 21:08.04 | Mr_Rabies | which? |
| 21:08.10 | Amarande | flawless arcanite, I think? |
| 21:08.42 | Amarande | it was dropped by the troll hunters at dammit what was the name, Mazarbul? no that was LOTR ... oh, right. Zul'Mashar |
| 21:09.02 | Amarande | but when they went from level 58-60 to mid 40s mobs it seemed to go away |
| 21:09.35 | Amarande | (although on the bright side of things they seemed to realise the fact that there's less places to get thorium now and more to get mithril, and engineering doesn't require nearly so many exotic mats to level up anymore) |
| 21:09.58 | Amarande | I think dense stone and thorium alone get you to 300 now without needing any oddballs at the last few points :) |
| 21:10.37 | Amarande | but yeah as for why engi would be worse hit, because the Cobalt Mageweavers are gone and a lot of rare high level drop recipes were stacked on those guys |
| 21:11.06 | Amarande | robe of winter night, greater arcane protection potion, and arcanite dragonling |
| 21:11.20 | Amarande | (which with stat squish should actually be a useful thing to have in the first few levels of BC, too) |
| 21:11.29 | Mr_Rabies | yeah seems like it was removed |
| 21:11.58 | Amarande | robe of winter night was nice for mog and was also BoP, but otherwise was just a typical equipment item |
| 21:12.27 | Amarande | I suppose the arcane prot potions might be halfway useful in some situations, although the biggest one of those was deleveled now so you already went through it by then (I guess you might find it a little useful in Mana Tombs, not sure how much so though) |
| 21:12.56 | Amarande | you can still get the dragonling, but it's a pain in the ass and unless you buy it from AH you have to be well past its useful level to get it :S |
| 21:13.37 | Mr_Rabies | arcanite dragonling is definitely still obtainable |
| 21:13.48 | Amarande | yeah, but not as a drop at the level range where it is still useful |
| 21:14.01 | Amarande | you need to either buy it from AH, or have the northrend wormhole device which means you're in the mid 70s at least |
| 21:14.13 | Mr_Rabies | the mats to make it already make it infeasible to make for its original use |
| 21:14.37 | Amarande | yeah, to get arcanite you pretty much need your own dedicated alchemist and be light on the selling |
| 21:15.00 | Amarande | at least from how I understand it (cooldown transmutes lock out even transmutes that don't have a cooldown because it's your "stone" that's on CD, right?) |
| 21:15.28 | Amarande | so arcanite itself doesn't have a CD but most alchemists are probably *on* CD for transmute because they made something current that does have one |
| 21:17.23 | Mr_Rabies | if it has a cooldown, everything that has that same cooldown is on cooldown |
| 21:17.32 | Mr_Rabies | but if it doesn't then you can xmute it as much as you want |
| 21:18.33 | Amarande | ah, so if the cooldown from a transmute was removed then it has no cooldown period altogether, that's nice |
| 21:18.56 | Amarande | (I had wondered if transmutes that previously had a cooldown, but no longer do, are still affected by the global "transmute cooldown" if you xmute something that still does have one) |
| 21:20.10 | Amarande | since in particular back when you needed a philosopher's or alchemist's stone to do transmutes, I remember the CD was attached to the stone, which was a required tool for xmute |
| 21:22.51 | Amarande | hah no wonder hunters are complaining so loudly |
| 21:23.19 | Amarande | they're not only getting all incensed over survival losing kill shot (dudes, Kill SHOT is the ability you're losing, you can still kill shit :P) |
| 21:23.33 | Amarande | but apparently the "favoured stat" thing for marks is crit and for surv is multistrike |
| 21:23.52 | Amarande | I'm still a little iffy about how well multistrike is going to go over in terms of raid dynamics, and for the same reason as crit really :) |
| 21:24.56 | Amarande | whereas specs whose favoured secondary stat (the one that gets the bonus, which I'm going to guess will usually turn out to be "the stat to stack"?) is Haste will be well loved, especially with the reduction in on-the-run abilities |
| 21:25.23 | Amarande | (problem with both crit and multistrike: greatly increased chance of starting phases too soon, which is fatal in many scenarios) |
| 22:34.04 | Amarande | hm |
| 22:34.11 | Amarande | weapon imbue removal seems sweet, though :) |
| 22:34.40 | Amarande | in 6.0 I can use wizard oils for a little boost on my ellie shaman when leveling, since the tench slot isn't going to be constantly taken up by a class buff |
| 22:36.03 | Eraclito | wizard oils! it's AGES since i last thought about them |
| 22:36.30 | Amarande | probably will be nice ... wait, statsquish takes care of that |
| 22:36.48 | Amarande | probably will be nice ... well actually hmm maybe they will be for a short bit depending on how well statsquish addressed That One Spot |
| 22:37.07 | Amarande | since you probably DO still have a low enough item level weapon going INTO cata areas if you're anything like me |
| 22:37.29 | Amarande | and you don't get a 272 till later (sometimes much later, some slots you don't even get to fill in Hyjal/Vashj'ir and are still using Wrath gear all the way up to Deepholm ...) |
| 22:38.06 | Amarande | (I presume the Outland and Northrend transitions will be pretty fully smoothed by statsquish but I'm not sure about Cata because of just how steep that jump is) |
| 22:38.40 | Stormkitty | Apparently if I go back to a DP3 build from GCD cap, I don't even have to reforge. |
| 22:38.43 | Stormkitty | Just change half my gems |
| 22:40.11 | Stormkitty | Amarande, it's apparently been smoothed out so much you don't even notice you're in a new expansion |
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| 23:45.04 | JunkHead | just got ashes of al'ar |
| 23:45.07 | JunkHead | :D |
| 23:47.02 | fewyn | GZ |
| 23:47.11 | JunkHead | thankya thankya |
| 23:47.25 | JunkHead | sadly, i still need recipes form tk/ssc. so i might still have to go back there.:( |
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