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| 05:54.48 | Gam | BURNING LEGION LF 2v partner for fun 111 |
| 05:54.58 | Gam | Horde |
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| 10:58.32 | b4k4^^ | maybe |
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| 15:21.52 | fewyn | Anyone in here with a character in EU? |
| 15:23.00 | fewyn | nvm |
| 15:32.08 | owkkuri | sup fewyn? |
| 15:32.27 | fewyn | i found what i needed |
| 15:32.35 | fewyn | needed an EU character to look at on the armory |
| 15:38.07 | owkkuri | mkay |
| 15:43.06 | Stormkitty | fewyn, http://imgur.com/a/SYRrB |
| 15:43.20 | fewyn | wat |
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| 18:53.17 | b4k4^^ | Stormkitty: ^^_b |
| 18:58.44 | Eraclito | wowhead model viewer, updated with the draenei, night elf, etc new models is more and more awesome than ever :D |
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| 21:39.57 | Stormkitty | Got my BiS shoulders on Tuesday |
| 21:39.59 | Stormkitty | feels good mon |
| 21:43.54 | b4k4^^ | troll priest? :P |
| 21:45.07 | Stormkitty | Fuck no |
| 21:45.10 | Stormkitty | Night Elf |
| 21:48.02 | Stormkitty | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/shadowmoon/Vordea/advanced need more item level |
| 21:48.06 | Stormkitty | Heroic Warforged pls drop |
| 21:50.01 | Amarande | heh, apparently they've decided to all but kill off jewelcrafting in order to give people more incentive to raid, too :S |
| 21:50.35 | Amarande | apparently I'm hearing that in WoD sockets will come only as a special perk of the topmost grade of raid drops :( |
| 21:50.54 | Amarande | as in like now we've got warforged, next it'll be "warforged socketed" or something like that that's the best |
| 21:50.57 | Stormkitty | No, sockets will be random, like haste etc |
| 21:51.19 | Amarande | or at least, that sockets are something you'll have to hope for in drops instead of getting with any reliability |
| 21:51.28 | Amarande | where's JC's niche, exactly? |
| 21:52.03 | Amarande | most people probably won't think much about sockets till they get that Heroic Warforged Socketed item, I suppose (since "socketed" by itself probably isn't very high up the totem pole in terms of best drop scenario) |
| 21:52.22 | Amarande | by which point you've gotten the best thing there is and are already hitting that point where it's time to start raiding less till patch. :( |
| 21:52.39 | Amarande | or is it going to be something like socketed *OR* a stat, not socketed and? |
| 21:52.50 | Amarande | (and presumably gems would be better than the randomstats then, in order to make sockets valuable) |
| 21:53.38 | Amarande | although there seems to be kind of this sentiment that Blizzard seems to kind of want to phase out the significance of professions altogether :( |
| 21:53.55 | Amarande | and that it's thought there's a lot of player sentiment that professions are regarded as a chore, not a fun perk |
| 21:54.13 | Stormkitty | Honestly, professions are a huge chore |
| 21:54.20 | Amarande | (of course, the impression one often gets about THAT is that there's a huge swathe of players that basically regard ANYTHING other than "show up on raid night" as a chore, heh) |
| 21:54.48 | Stormkitty | Well it's not like I chose alchemy cause it's fun. |
| 21:55.22 | Amarande | hey, you can make unlimited supplies of water breathing elixirs instead of being limited by the puny little charges you're given with quest items :) |
| 21:55.32 | Amarande | then again, you might be undead or a warlock and this may not then matter to you. LOL |
| 21:56.19 | Amarande | though atm the big thing is they never balanced gathering profs with crafting ones very well, so the hardcore do find profs to be a chore I suppose |
| 21:56.37 | Amarande | because you basically are forced to rely on grinding your dailies for gold and buying the materials from the auction house because only noobs and squares take a gathering prof, heh |
| 21:57.26 | Amarande | but with 6.0 you don't need to take double crafting, so they could at least have given more love to crafted items :( |
| 21:57.53 | Amarande | especially jewelcrafters, who seem like they'll lose most of their clientele |
| 21:58.05 | Amarande | and even enchanters apparently are slated to lose many slots |
| 21:58.43 | Amarande | but wouldn't it remove a lot from the game if professions start lacking in reason to invest the time? :S |
| 21:59.07 | Amarande | to me at least, it seems like MMOs are meant to have meaningful crafting |
| 21:59.45 | Amarande | it's part of the game, it'd be like if they took irons out of golf or something like that :) |
| 22:00.04 | Amarande | sure, people would feel like a set of golf clubs was a lot easier to get then, but it'd take a lot of the depth out of the game :p |
| 22:00.36 | Amarande | unless the trouble is that (except for ICC) I've never played enough MMO endgame to really see things from an endgame player's POV |
| 22:01.06 | Amarande | (usually I tend to cycle between MMOs on a regular basis instead of sticking with just one, so I usually see things through the "hey it's still bright and shiny and fun" glass) |
| 22:06.09 | django | archage gonna be epic |
| 22:19.08 | Stormkitty | Should I queue for 2nd wing of LFR just to try to get MCed during Shamans trash and one shot the raid? |
| 22:30.08 | b4k4^^ | :D |
| 22:32.37 | Amarande | oooohhhh, now that's gotta be "fun" LOL |
| 22:32.50 | Amarande | when high geared people go back to earlier LFR for more gold/valor/whatever and there's a MC mechanic |
| 22:34.15 | Eraclito | Amarande, why don't we have npc named after us? :( |
| 22:34.23 | Eraclito | http://www.wowhead.com/news=241407/wod-alpha-new-items-and-npcs-named-after-wow-community-members |
| 22:40.41 | Amarande | heh |
| 22:40.49 | Amarande | I used to joke back in the days of Guild Wars, which I played actively before I got into WoW |
| 22:41.00 | Amarande | that sooner or later the next ritualist spell was going to be "Wordy Was Amarande" or something like that |
| 22:54.01 | Eraclito | i raged against Celestalon because he doesn't want to buff mage self healing and i once told ghostcrawler that talking about his haircut would get me a tweet answer |
| 22:54.36 | Eraclito | it isn't enough for a npc? :( |
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| 22:55.22 | Amarande | wonder what the finalised mage self healing will be like |
| 22:55.33 | Amarande | as it is, it seems like it's going to completely neuter the class for most people |
| 22:55.52 | Amarande | I signed up for WoW, not Ninja Gaiden Online :) |
| 22:56.17 | Amarande | unless they keep it the top dps class, which will just be torture because then everyone will be expected to play it |
| 22:56.34 | Mr_Rabies | i'm sure if it's a real issue it will be addressed |
| 22:56.42 | Amarande | well, not everyone, but I can imagine a lot of mythic guilds pressuring people to play it, especially |
| 22:56.54 | Amarande | still curious as to just how tightly tuned Mythic will be :) |
| 22:56.59 | Mr_Rabies | you can't worrywort about things before 1) you've had a chance to try it and 2) classes are changing heavily on a weekly basis |
| 22:57.25 | Mr_Rabies | i murdered the grammar there |
| 22:57.43 | Eraclito | good, i've never liked that grammar |
| 22:58.00 | Amarande | also which class should be cut for mythic when you move from heroic to it :) |
| 22:58.18 | Amarande | logically, I'd think, the "ideal" large raiding group would be a 22-man that consists of 2 of each class :) |
| 22:59.03 | Amarande | Pity the cap is 25 now and not 40 |
| 22:59.11 | Amarande | It would be nice to be able to do a 33-man Spec Run :) |
| 23:00.31 | Amarande | yeah, atm it seems like the most worrisome thing is professions, if you're a profession hound |
| 23:00.54 | Amarande | like I said, to me an MMO without meaningful crafting professions is like golf without irons, LOL |
| 23:01.31 | Amarande | except I seem to be in a minority heh ... seems like the more prevailing golf analogy would be WoW without meaningful crafting professions is like golf without sand traps :p |
| 23:02.41 | Eraclito | i remember crafting the shadoweave set on my frost mage in tbc |
| 23:02.56 | Eraclito | was awful. water elementals were immune to frost spells |
| 23:06.26 | Amarande | heh, now arguably mages are even more 'fun' in that regard |
| 23:06.36 | Amarande | On the good side, MOST elementals have lost their elemental immunity |
| 23:06.44 | Amarande | On the bad side, there's still those "oh shit" moments |
| 23:06.53 | Amarande | a lot of Northrend elementals still have that immunity if I remember right |
| 23:06.55 | Eraclito | i remember i found a certain mob in terokkar, a fish in a lake |
| 23:07.06 | Eraclito | dropping motes of water |
| 23:07.16 | Eraclito | so i farmed them... at a lower rate |
| 23:07.18 | Amarande | and then there's the ones like that named water elemental in Ashenvale ... which aren't totally immune but are so resistant that you deal like single digit damage to them even on a crit heh |
| 23:08.00 | Amarande | reminds me of that one ?? boss dragon in Blasted Lands I encountered once pre-cata (not sure if it was BC or Wrath) on my warlock |
| 23:08.20 | Amarande | man, that one was irritating. thought it'd be easy, became tedious as all get out |
| 23:08.37 | Amarande | because it was immune to *all* dots (including drain and immolate if I remember right) as an anti kiting measure |
| 23:08.55 | Amarande | and then it was on top of that heavily resistant to shadow so shadow bolts were hitting like nerf swords |
| 23:09.18 | Amarande | (and it turned out I couldn't use fire because immolate counted as a dot for its immunity table and it didn't take ANY damage from it) |
| 23:18.10 | Eraclito | oh wait |
| 23:18.14 | Eraclito | teremus the devourer? |
| 23:18.29 | Eraclito | i remember i once killed it at lv70 as a mage with a warlock friend |
| 23:18.31 | Eraclito | we had fun |
| 23:18.50 | Eraclito | but i think that at the right level it would have some kind of nightmare |
| 23:27.56 | Amarande | yeah, think that was him' |
| 23:30.49 | Stormkitty | Amarande, he was immune to all spells |
| 23:30.52 | Stormkitty | cause fuck you Vanilla |
| 23:32.40 | Eraclito | i don't know in vanilla, in tbc he was immune to ... shadow maybe? |
| 23:32.46 | Eraclito | i remember i killed it as frost mage |
| 23:33.48 | Eraclito | unrelated, in the last two weeks i farmed some lfr for the legendary chain on two characters |
| 23:33.55 | Eraclito | i met WEIRD people |
| 23:34.23 | Amarande | yeah, not sure about vanilla |
| 23:34.31 | fewyn | you are weird people |
| 23:34.40 | Eraclito | a dk gnome tank was naked and stay naked for all jink'roth and was kicked after he only put on his helm |
| 23:34.43 | Amarande | in tbc and later it seemed he was heavily resistant to shadow and immune to all DoTs of any sort, including "initial hit + DoT" spells like immolate entirely |
| 23:35.03 | Eraclito | i'm lots of weird, i warn when i go to pee instead of just afking |
| 23:35.15 | Amarande | Eraclito: oh, that's not the weirdest case I've seen, LOL |
| 23:35.24 | Eraclito | hear the second one |
| 23:35.32 | Eraclito | another tank wiped us because he went afk |
| 23:35.36 | Eraclito | because... |
| 23:35.48 | Eraclito | he went to "put a line up his nose" |
| 23:35.52 | Amarande | Eraclito: I still remember that one Shadow Labyrinth run where the female (IRL apparently) tank said she had to AFK a moment to "change her cork" (her words, not mine!) |
| 23:35.53 | Eraclito | people asked "...coke?" |
| 23:35.59 | Eraclito | and him "no, worse stuff" |
| 23:36.29 | Eraclito | her ... cork? |
| 23:36.32 | Eraclito | ...oh |
| 23:36.35 | Eraclito | i think i got it |
| 23:36.40 | Eraclito | that's weird |
| 23:37.08 | Amarande | you know, it seems like this sort of quirkiness has declined incredibly since LFD |
| 23:37.16 | Eraclito | but the worse-than-coke addict is pretty weird |
| 23:37.18 | Amarande | you used to get a lot of weird quirky personalities back when groups were assembled on-server |
| 23:37.34 | Amarande | now people often tend to stay silent throughout the run and even kick people for talking too much |
| 23:37.39 | Eraclito | true |
| 23:37.57 | Amarande | *sigh* maybe that one guy on Illidan was right, heh |
| 23:38.03 | Eraclito | i joined as a dps on megaera and had to explain tactics to both tanks |
| 23:38.15 | Eraclito | i got assist, i marked places |
| 23:38.15 | Amarande | at least in some ways |
| 23:38.23 | Eraclito | i explained them to run where and when to tank what |
| 23:38.28 | Eraclito | and it's an EASY tactic |
| 23:38.38 | Amarande | I had just looked at wow-pop that evening, then there was a discussion in Org /1 (I /leave 2 as a matter of course on Illidan, it's FAR too spammy) |
| 23:38.47 | Amarande | about whether famous WoW players still come to Illidan |
| 23:39.07 | Amarande | then I remarked about the population trends and made that metallica reference ... "seems like Illidan might be WoW's faded prima donna" |
| 23:39.09 | Stormkitty | >famous wow players |
| 23:39.11 | Stormkitty | jesus christ what |
| 23:39.22 | Stormkitty | >caring about specific WoW players besides your friends, enemies, and guild members |
| 23:39.26 | Stormkitty | >ever |
| 23:39.29 | Amarande | and the reply from another guy in org was something on the lines of "I think wow itself might be a faded prima donna" :( |
| 23:40.18 | Amarande | but hey, the memory remains, right? :D |
| 23:41.40 | Eraclito | i've never been in a "famous" high pop realm |
| 23:42.04 | Amarande | I played for a shortish while on Illidan last fall, then this summer |
| 23:42.18 | Amarande | then I switched to Area 52 because PvP servers are decent fun enough when you're low level but at 40 they just become hell |
| 23:42.53 | Amarande | I think it's got a lot to do with the fact that at 40 you have one of the narrowest choices of leveling zone of any bracket |
| 23:43.19 | Amarande | so everyone gets funneled together and crz ganking gets 'fun' |
| 23:43.34 | Amarande | actually, I wonder if that's one of the reasons Illidan is in decline :S |
| 23:43.44 | Eraclito | i only have two 90s i leveled on a pvp realm, mage and paladin, and the realm was dead |
| 23:43.46 | Amarande | It used to be "the PvE PvP server" in a way |
| 23:43.58 | Eraclito | then i moved them to the only italian pvp realm, when they opened it |
| 23:44.22 | Eraclito | i got them from 85 to 90 without getting killed |
| 23:44.25 | Amarande | because while it's always been officially classed as PvP, the population has been so heavily slanted towards Horde (we're talking like 20:1 H:A ratios) that it was not really any different from a PvE server in practical sense for the most part |
| 23:44.40 | Amarande | then came CRZ, and harsh realities :( |
| 23:44.43 | Eraclito | but yeah i was horde |
| 23:44.49 | Eraclito | also that realm is crz locked |
| 23:44.57 | Eraclito | since there's only 1 pvp italian realm |
| 23:45.00 | Eraclito | and only 1 pve |
| 23:45.09 | Eraclito | we're immune at CRZ bullshit |
| 23:45.09 | Amarande | as in literally all the ganking on Illidan US comes from foreign players |
| 23:45.21 | Amarande | not surprising, since like I said, the ratio is THAT slanted |
| 23:45.33 | Amarande | probably more liberal leaning NRA members than there are Alliance native to Illidan-US, heh |
| 23:45.49 | Eraclito | lol |
| 23:46.24 | Amarande | but yeah, I have to wonder if a lot of the reason it was the dominant population server once upon a time is because it had the cachet of PvP servers (which always seem to be top in raiding) |
| 23:46.36 | Amarande | but the practicality of PvE servers (because there was next to nobody to actually gank you) |
| 23:46.47 | Amarande | Now that CRZ is here and that advantage is gone, it's fading |
| 23:46.51 | Amarande | though still #3 or so |
| 23:47.15 | Amarande | especially also with looms being nigh mandatory to compete in pvp when leveling nowadays |
| 23:47.39 | Amarande | 'tis why I've said that Blizzard and PvE realms benefit rather heavily from CRZ now :) |
| 23:48.29 | Amarande | PvE realms because some of us decide that much PvP is not for us and go back to them, thus keeping the population up there (which seemed to be troubled on many servers) |
| 23:48.54 | Amarande | Blizzard because a lot of people who DO decide to stick to PvP realms will doubtless pay for the boost, so that they can get a character high enough level to actually *get* the looms you need to compete in PvP on your leveling toons |
| 23:49.24 | Amarande | If it was just the ganking it'd be one thing, but there was no way my poor monk was going to be competing at level either, with loomed-up opponents |
| 23:50.39 | Amarande | Pity the touch of death doesn't work in PvP :( |
| 23:50.53 | Eraclito | well it would be totally unbalanced :P |
| 23:51.18 | Eraclito | remind me ragnarok online, the monk's Asura Strike |
| 23:51.44 | Eraclito | balanced for pve, it would oneshot enemy players because screw everything |
| 23:52.20 | Eraclito | you consumed all your magic points in using it and you couldn't regain them for twenty minutes i think |
| 23:52.35 | Amarande | also, why did it take blizzard THIS long (I think Cata was the first time they did it? Maybe later in Wrath?) to have separate skill rules for PvP and PvE? |
| 23:52.57 | Amarande | if they'd gotten that idea sooner, we might have gotten to suffer fewer patches where PvE performance got beaned in the head for the sake of PvP balance |
| 23:53.08 | Eraclito | i think ghostcrawler didn't like it |
| 23:53.27 | Amarande | ... and yet it seemed OTOH like they almost never beaned PvP balance in the head for the sake of PvE players |
| 23:53.45 | Amarande | it often gave that feeling that Blizzard favours PvP as priority when balancing the game |
| 23:53.55 | Amarande | possibly due to the eSports focus |
| 23:54.33 | Amarande | (particularly since it didn't really seem to become a phenomenon till TBC and the introduction of arena) |
| 23:54.50 | Amarande | vanilla pvp balance was pretty ludicrously not-there from what I understand LOL |
| 23:55.06 | Amarande | PoM, Pyro, GG, heh |
| 23:56.02 | Amarande | although there's also the logical part of me that sadly (as a pve player) thinks that even without eSports, it's probably right to prioritise pvp :( |
| 23:56.08 | Eraclito | also 2h shamans |
| 23:56.13 | Eraclito | and reckoning bombs |
| 23:56.41 | Amarande | like, if you take a look broad spectrum at games, it seems that most of the time the games with enduring popularity (crucial to a subscription title like WoW in particular) are ones that have enduringly interesting PvP |
| 23:56.58 | Amarande | games that have weak PvP, even if the PvE game is top notch, seem to wane quickly |
| 23:57.18 | Amarande | even titles like LOTRO and SW:TOR that showed great promise and have storylines solid as a rock |
| 23:58.19 | Amarande | or in the FPS crowd, PvP based games stay popular for aeons until the publisher is forced to shut down servers (angering thousands of players) to get people to move on |
| 23:58.36 | Amarande | PvE based FPS? I think the only one that's really stayed enduringly popular over the long run is Doom, heh |
| 23:58.40 | Eraclito | oh hey, about storylines, and totally unrelated, did i ever talk about i once wrote a wow fanfiction? |
| 23:59.07 | Amarande | hm, don't think I remember that |
| 23:59.36 | Eraclito | fewyn, am i allowed to shamelessly spam it? |
| 23:59.42 | Amarande | btw, shamans can still use staves :) although I'm guessing you mean melee shamans and not casters |
| 23:59.47 | fewyn | spam what |
| 23:59.59 | Amarande | (and is it worth as ele using a staff instead of a 1h spell weapon + shield?) |