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| 02:13.31 | Amarande | hm, perhaps I will indeed go to FFXIV or WoW when this subscription cycle for TOR ends |
| 02:13.42 | Amarande | *ponders which* |
| 02:21.32 | Amarande | also, stat squish looks ... interesting |
| 02:22.09 | Amarande | looking at those ashran items, seems that i665 epics will have, by the numbers, damage comparable to current LK starter epics, but stats comparable to current ICC gear |
| 02:22.15 | JunkHead | im gonna hit up widlstar once it come sout. looks fun |
| 02:23.15 | Amarande | this ashran thing also looks interesting |
| 02:23.29 | Amarande | the weapons vanish upon leaving the zone, but are Epic, so I'd think it would be reasonably hard to get them |
| 02:23.59 | Amarande | I'm guessing some kind of complex quest chain ending in the ability to requisition them at any time, because otherwise it would be unreasonable, or so it would at least seem |
| 02:24.17 | Amarande | any other way, and pretty much you'd be looking at characters that literally never leave the world pvp zone for the rest of their lives :) |
| 02:25.04 | Amarande | (mind you, most of the time epics drop like candy in wow these days, but we're talking the beginning of a new expansion here, where epics still have at least a little glitz) |
| 02:25.27 | Amarande | Thought of Wildstar, but Monty Python reminds me no :) |
| 02:25.37 | Amarande | I already juggle WoW, TOR, and LOTRO, and friends want me to pick up FFXIV as well |
| 02:25.46 | Amarande | As Monty Python says ... FIVE IS RIGHT OUT! |
| 02:26.00 | JunkHead | i checked out the open beta. |
| 02:26.04 | JunkHead | didnt get to play much at all |
| 02:26.10 | JunkHead | but it felt a lot like wow |
| 02:26.18 | JunkHead | the art style is great |
| 02:26.26 | Amarande | TOR is starting to hit a bit of burnout for me |
| 02:26.38 | Amarande | I think it's because I've hit 55 :S |
| 02:26.56 | Amarande | basic thing about TOR being, the 'meat' of content isn't at the top level like WoW, it's when you were leveling, and it was a good ride |
| 02:27.21 | Amarande | but, I'm also one of those folks who actually likes to care about what my characters look like and would rather not make them all clones, which apparently doesn't work very well in tor |
| 02:27.31 | Amarande | (it used to be bad in wow, too, but now that we've got mog, that's not a problem :D) |
| 02:29.05 | Amarande | see, the good thing in tor is there are indeed oodles of different looks you can have, and most of them are freely moddable and available at any level to boot! it'd be paradise, you'd say! |
| 02:29.15 | Amarande | ... the bad thing is how one actually has to go about *obtaining* these :( |
| 02:30.04 | Amarande | altitis is not a fun condition in tor, I suspect ffxiv or wow will be better for me for awhile now |
| 02:30.43 | JunkHead | my last alt in wow was a huter i made on another account. |
| 02:30.50 | JunkHead | no money, no alts, no guild, no friends |
| 02:30.57 | JunkHead | and i leveld him to 90 |
| 02:31.10 | JunkHead | and tried to spend as little as possible gold |
| 02:31.15 | Amarande | in FFXIV, altitis is a perfectly tolerable condition, because, well, mainly because you don't actually need *alts* in FFXIV, with the nifty class change system :) |
| 02:31.48 | JunkHead | i actually hit 20k gold about 10 minutes after hitting 90 |
| 02:31.59 | Amarande | in WoW it's fun, and doesn't really set you back all that much, especially with the inflated economy meaning you can actually get good bank off of even low level gathering |
| 02:32.14 | JunkHead | but then damn panda flying cost me 2500.:\ |
| 02:32.48 | Amarande | unlike TOR, where there's practically no way to really farm millions of creds very well unless you basically do nothing but play TOR ... a couple planets worth of dailies takes a couple hours (TOR's story system with voiced convos is great when leveling ... not so great for dailies :p) |
| 02:33.01 | Amarande | and even that seems to only give you maybe 200k-300k creds |
| 02:33.41 | Amarande | I guess it's comparable to vanilla wow maybe? unit for unit that's 20-30g, and I remember gold being a rare and very precious thing in vanilla |
| 02:34.08 | Amarande | (at least based on the fact that apparently the 600g for fast riding was still considered a lot back then, and tales of things like warriors having to take a vacation from the game in frustration after going red out in raids) |
| 02:34.54 | Amarande | now 600g is what, a half hour's questing? :) |
| 02:36.00 | Amarande | but yeh. problem with tor is that almost all the good looking armour sets are cartel pack based, which is not fun when you want to have several different looks on hand for your account for variety |
| 02:36.45 | Amarande | account unlock itself isn't so bad. few hundred cartel coins, so about the price of a mcd's meal, and then you can forevermore get that set on any character (even cross server - unlike the legacy board which is limited to that one server) |
| 02:37.24 | Amarande | gathering them all? usually a million + creds per set though if you buy them from the AH, er I mean GTN. try to get them from the cartel packs? that's a way to need one's head examined :) |
| 02:38.26 | Amarande | so yeah. think it's time to put the galaxy on hold for awhile. :) |
| 02:39.42 | Lugburz | yeah man, gold used to be way harder to get |
| 02:39.53 | Lugburz | getting like epic riding and regular flying was a nice little accomplishment |
| 02:41.11 | Amarande | otoh, I remember things like 16 slot bags being cheaper back then too, sadly |
| 02:41.23 | Amarande | there may not be much inflation during expansions, but there's sure as hell spikes each new one :( |
| 02:41.51 | Amarande | hm. ffxiv suggests itself, but do I dare or do I go back to WoW now |
| 02:42.07 | Lugburz | not now, I am assuming you have a fine stable of chars |
| 02:42.13 | Lugburz | and you can jump back into it when draenor hits |
| 02:42.19 | Amarande | I usually do at least 3 months at a time, 3 months in FFXIV will mean I won't get back to WoW till September, which seems cutting it a little close for getting ready for WoD no? |
| 02:42.30 | Amarande | seems to be likely WoD will drop around thanksgiving |
| 02:42.30 | Lugburz | or well, what ima prolly do is wait a little bit until the initial surge dies off |
| 02:42.37 | Lugburz | yeah |
| 02:42.41 | Lugburz | you'll be fine. |
| 02:42.47 | Amarande | Lugburz: and until the addon devs have a chance to fix stuff? :) |
| 02:42.58 | Lugburz | ah yeah that is true as well |
| 02:43.11 | Amarande | one grumbly thing about new expansions, they always break everything hither and yon and it's always at least a couple weeks for things to settle down heh |
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| 02:44.13 | Lugburz | yeah I was most likely going to wait a month |
| 02:44.28 | Lugburz | or maybe until next summer cause of uni |
| 02:44.49 | Amarande | I'm mainly thinking about if I should be giving myself enough time to farm justice this time so I can actually start accumulating looms |
| 02:45.08 | Amarande | I've always been short on those, because I leave WoW for long periods and then come back not long before the new expansion |
| 02:45.24 | Amarande | so when I *am* playing, I tend to end up needing my justice for actual stuffs for the character I'm playing |
| 02:45.57 | Amarande | for something that's not relevant at max level (and is the one slot that doesn't even give an xp bonus, at that), heirloom weaps are certainly pricey :) |
| 02:47.17 | Lugburz | heirloom weps dont give xp? hunh |
| 02:47.24 | Lugburz | I do love full heirlooms though lol |
| 02:47.26 | Amarande | nope, never have, not that I've seen anyway |
| 02:47.31 | Amarande | the armour pieces all do, the weapons never have |
| 02:47.36 | Lugburz | oh |
| 02:47.41 | Amarande | yet the weapons are the most expensive ... doesn't make sense does it LOL |
| 02:47.56 | Amarande | I would think that the head and shoulder pieces should be the ones costing thousands of justice ... since they give the largest edge by far |
| 02:47.59 | Lugburz | well, its like you said: they are very good |
| 02:48.09 | Lugburz | thats fair |
| 02:48.16 | Amarande | (since most people don't even have head and shoulder pieces *at all* till 25-30ish unless they're using looms ...) |
| 02:49.24 | Amarande | I could also see about a few months of lotro, too, hmm |
| 02:49.31 | Amarande | I do like how there you don't have to pay an arm and a leg to look nice |
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| 02:50.06 | Amarande | not sure how ffxiv handles that. it's a subscription only game, so I'm guessing it's probably pretty reasonable too |
| 02:50.30 | Amarande | TOR basically soaks you up the wazoo if you want to keep everyone looking nice, was the TL;DR of the earlier :P |
| 02:50.37 | Lugburz | yeah the transmog in WoW makes me wanna play lol |
| 02:50.44 | Lugburz | heh yeah which is unfortunate |
| 02:51.02 | Lugburz | I remember tho in like wotlk and tbc I'd have the cosmetic set Id be putting on if I was gonna hope around a city for a while |
| 02:51.05 | Amarande | pity they don't let you just buy more of the cartel sets outright |
| 02:51.32 | Amarande | as it is, due to RNG from the packs (and pieces that look good on their own), there's a very distinct McDonald's Monopoly effect when it comes to gathering any sets |
| 02:52.07 | Amarande | there'll be one or two (or more if it's a large set) pieces that go for a few tens of thousands of creds, then there will inevitably be the one or two pieces that never go below 200-300k (or 500k-1mil+ if it's too old or too new ...) |
| 02:52.40 | Amarande | just like McD's always let you have all but one piece of each set easy and then never let you have the last one :p |
| 02:52.50 | Lugburz | yeah that shit is a fucking btich |
| 02:53.01 | Amarande | I do need to remember to ditch SMS Protect from my bnet account at some point too, probably :S |
| 02:53.05 | Amarande | it makes me sad to be american :( |
| 02:53.21 | Amarande | like, the cost of sms protect here is effectively like, 4-5 times as much as the cost of wow itself |
| 02:53.53 | Amarande | atm it doesn't matter since I'm locked into a two year contract for another ... six or seven months, I think, or so |
| 02:53.56 | Amarande | but once that's over with, yeah |
| 02:54.01 | Lugburz | yeah have fun! |
| 02:54.31 | Amarande | basically when it comes down to it I could get unlimited talk and text with a prepaid plan for a third of what I pay AT&T now |
| 02:54.40 | Amarande | but then I have to ditch SMS Protect ... only in America (no really) |
| 02:55.10 | Amarande | (and apparently no, it's not Blizzard's fault ... the truth came out on the forums a while back due to D3 pressuring people to get the feature) |
| 02:56.47 | Amarande | so yeah. the contract plan you need to qualify for sms protect in the US costs like, 75 bucks a month more than a prepaid plan with the same level of service otherwise |
| 02:56.53 | Amarande | which is ... yup, 5 times as much as WoW itself costs :p |
| 02:58.02 | Amarande | something to do with some bullshit anti spam consumer protection legislation they passed in the US a couple years ago because of scam spams sent to people's phones |
| 02:58.15 | Amarande | and of course the US gov loves to destroy perfectly good technology with overreaching regulation |
| 02:59.15 | Amarande | (also, isn't the authenticator enough, anyways? :) |
| 03:08.35 | Amarande | oh good, the server I would be going to play on in FFXIV isn't restricted, yays. |
| 03:08.51 | Amarande | apparently, Square will actually prevent people from creating characters on a server if it's too full ... I've never seen that happen with WoW, at all |
| 03:09.59 | Amarande | *can* it even happen in WoW? (except when they've done things like create new servers that are transfer-only, I think they did that once or twice) |
| 03:14.39 | Amarande | also |
| 03:14.53 | Amarande | I could swear I remember there being a wowhead like site for ffxiv, but I don't see it on the list of zam sites at the bottom on wowhead |
| 03:15.03 | Amarande | am I remembering wrong? |
| 03:21.01 | Lugburz | sorry was playing WoW |
| 03:21.07 | Lugburz | I'll read |
| 03:21.11 | MiRai | xivdb.com ? |
| 03:21.39 | Lugburz | wait you have to pay for sms protect? wot |
| 03:21.49 | Lugburz | the phone authenticator is nice btw. |
| 03:21.58 | Lugburz | uses that when its required for hearthstone |
| 03:25.43 | Amarande | Lugburz: you don't pay Blizzard |
| 03:25.57 | Amarande | but thanks to the lametastic regulations on automated texts to prepaid phones in the US, you basically have to have a postpaid contract phone |
| 03:26.10 | Lugburz | oh, yeah I gotcha |
| 03:26.24 | Amarande | that's how it costs money, because a prepaid phone with unlimited talk and text is like 40-50 bucks a month here ... you want unlimited talk and text on postpaid contract? say hello, $125 a month :P |
| 03:26.35 | Lugburz | eh, I just do the constricting monthly phone contract stuff. |
| 03:26.51 | Lugburz | loverly |
| 03:27.04 | Amarande | hell, for the savings on prepaid vs. postpaid, I could have phone and subscribe to WoW and LOTRO and FFXIV and TOR all at once and not spend any more money a month than I do on my phone bill now LOL |
| 03:27.51 | Amarande | not that I think I would ... I mean, no matter how many mmos I pay for, I still only have the same amount of time a month to mmo |
| 03:29.44 | Lugburz | yeah |
| 03:29.51 | Lugburz | and they all suck your time awaya >_> |
| 03:31.22 | Amarande | yeh. like if I want one complete cartel set for my TOR characters? that's about a million creds |
| 03:31.44 | Amarande | so with the dailies I presently do (and do I really want to spend more than 2-2.5 hours a day doing dailies? :S) that's like a week's worth of dailies for just the set |
| 03:32.12 | Lugburz | eh epic flying was like that |
| 03:32.19 | Amarande | and that's a Danish set, if you get my drift, so no actual improvement for the characters, just a shell with appearance, actual stat upgrades take even more time or creds :) |
| 03:32.40 | Amarande | (we always used to call the null set symbol the "danish symbol" at school ... IIRC because it's actually a Danish letter) |
| 03:34.09 | Lugburz | oh, ok that would be a nice explanation. |
| 03:34.14 | Lugburz | thats insane though |
| 03:34.16 | Lugburz | I get your meaning now |
| 03:36.04 | Amarande | yeah. even if you use regular armour when leveling, everyone ends up using an orange set eventually anyway |
| 03:36.40 | Amarande | the only traditional fixed-stat MMORPG items you use endgame in TOR are the left-side items (the jewelry and trinket equivalents, basically) |
| 03:38.49 | Amarande | I remember when epic flying was actually important, too |
| 03:39.10 | Amarande | now if it wasn't for the fact that there's not much else worth buying till max level, it would be not worth buying |
| 03:39.24 | Amarande | (in TOR you delay your speeder 3 licence a long time, but they still believe in paying for skill training there, heh) |
| 03:39.42 | Amarande | 60% flight was painful ... 150% flight is still fairly nice |
| 03:40.06 | Amarande | and you don't seem to need epic flying to be able to mount any of your flyers on alts, even if they required 280% flying to learn in the first place |
| 03:43.44 | Lugburz | oh, that is nice |
| 03:43.52 | Lugburz | epic flying is nice and gets to be important |
| 03:43.58 | Lugburz | its great now im assuming with old world flying |
| 03:46.00 | Amarande | yeah, though there's really not much point to old world flying unless you're doing archaeology |
| 03:46.04 | Amarande | (then you want 310% or bust, heh) |
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| 03:46.22 | Amarande | oh yeh. I really wish the speeders in TOR actually flew |
| 03:46.32 | Amarande | they don't touch the ground ... why can't they hover a little higher and let us go above mountains and such :p |
| 03:47.43 | Lugburz | yeah, flying is nice :p |
| 03:52.33 | Amarande | LOTRO makes me miss flying mounts, too |
| 03:52.44 | Amarande | Don't know if FFXIV has them or not. I'll find out, I suppose. |
| 03:53.28 | Amarande | mind you I'm not sure there are any suitable flying mounts in lotro anyway |
| 03:53.40 | Amarande | neither dragons nor the things the Nazgul ride are exactly ... friendly ... heh |
| 03:54.27 | Amarande | also don't know if FFXIV makes you buy your skills at trainers as you level or if it's gone the modern way and has you auto learn |
| 03:54.42 | Amarande | TOR seems to be the only major MMO I know of firsthand that still does the old ranks-and-trainer system though |
| 03:54.51 | Lugburz | cant you not jump in ffxiv? |
| 03:54.52 | Amarande | LOTRO gave it up at some point between 2010 and 2013 and has autolearn like WoW does |
| 03:55.04 | Lugburz | yeah autolearn is just so nice lol |
| 03:55.26 | Amarande | heh. I'm not sure how the Dragoon jump power works, come to think of it |
| 03:55.47 | Amarande | mind you, apart from the fact that it costs annoying amounts of creds, the skill training system in TOR makes better gameflow sense at least |
| 03:56.21 | Amarande | you're only on most planets for 3 or 4 levels anyway, and they tend to have distinct demarcation lines where it's reasonable to speeder back to base for training |
| 03:57.00 | Amarande | now that you level so fast in WoW compared to the available wind rider spots, having to go back to Orgrimmar every couple levels would be too much of a burden |
| 03:57.25 | Amarande | (And even more so in 60-80, now that it's no longer convenient to trundle back and forth between Outland/Northrend and home) |
| 03:58.10 | Amarande | LOTRO is much like that as well, especially with how limited the taxi system is, and the fact that you spend 10 levels in the various inconvenient depths of Moria |
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| 08:10.57 | _Hans | Hello people, quick question, is it possible to use the wowhead tooltips with data from hearthhead? |
| 08:11.32 | _Hans | wow ok i found it nevermind |
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| 17:11.45 | Gon_ | Hi |
| 17:13.20 | Gon_ | can anyone answer a question?? |
| 17:19.10 | pwntiff | I can try... my usefulness is not guaranteed |
| 17:20.25 | JunkHead | lol |
| 17:20.38 | JunkHead | your usefulness was not required. |
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| 17:20.42 | pwntiff | >:| |
| 17:21.22 | pwntiff | It probably had to do with a feature I didn't know existed, so it's cool |
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| 17:40.19 | Amarande | heh, why do people still ask to ask? |
| 17:40.29 | Amarande | isn't it understood on IRC that you don't ask to ask, you just ask? |
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| 20:38.31 | fridaysession | hey guys |
| 20:38.45 | JunkHead | HEY YOU GUYSSSSSSSSSSSSS |
| 20:39.16 | fridaysession | i want to play wow with my friends with the starter edition, sadly we cannot create a group. Can you please do us the favor of creating a group for us? |
| 20:39.32 | JunkHead | this isnt wow tech support. |
| 20:39.41 | JunkHead | and that is a limitation of starter edition |
| 20:40.07 | fridaysession | yeah i know, web says though that it should be possible if someone just invites us |
| 20:40.14 | fridaysession | didnt want to bother you...sorry |
| 20:40.18 | JunkHead | np |
| 20:40.24 | JunkHead | i think maybe like.... |
| 20:40.37 | fridaysession | just a pity if you just downloaded 24gigs and end up with a wortless game |
| 20:41.07 | JunkHead | well, i agree with you about not being able to make a party. |
| 20:41.11 | JunkHead | does kinda suck. |
| 20:41.26 | pwntiff | Is everyone using a starter account? And is everyone on each other's friends lists? |
| 20:41.26 | JunkHead | but the starter edition has those rules and all for reasons. |
| 20:41.30 | JunkHead | no. |
| 20:41.41 | JunkHead | most people have a full edtion, and pay monthly |
| 20:41.43 | fridaysession | yeah we are all on the starter account |
| 20:42.16 | JunkHead | yeah, that might be a problem then for you. |
| 20:42.18 | pwntiff | JunkHead, I'm aware of that. I'm a bit of a vet :P |
| 20:42.50 | pwntiff | Yeah, starter accounts can't *invite* party members |
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| 20:43.40 | JunkHead | yeah but i think they can BE invited? |
| 20:43.42 | pwntiff | Or trade, but a full account should be able to get a party started |
| 20:43.43 | JunkHead | not sure |
| 20:43.55 | fridaysession | i was reading that a regular account is able to create the group |
| 20:43.57 | fridaysession | leave it |
| 20:44.02 | fridaysession | and we should be still in a group |
| 20:44.08 | pwntiff | That looks right to me |
| 20:44.21 | pwntiff | Unfortunately, I don't have wow time |
| 20:44.27 | fridaysession | :( |
| 20:44.28 | pwntiff | or wow installed >.> |
| 20:45.43 | JunkHead | That might work. i dunno. when im on my starter edition i never get invites though so i dont know |
| 20:46.07 | fridaysession | okay |
| 20:46.24 | fridaysession | can someone do me the favor of trying it real quick? |
| 20:46.37 | JunkHead | im at work right now |
| 20:46.43 | fridaysession | okay |
| 20:48.55 | fridaysession | thanks anyways, have a good night |
| 21:13.48 | Lugburz | oh he left |
| 21:14.02 | Lugburz | he could've asked in trade to have someone invite him to party and pass lead |
| 21:14.34 | pwntiff | He'll figure it out |
| 21:14.35 | pwntiff | maybe |
| 21:14.48 | Lugburz | I am thinking no >_> |
| 21:14.52 | pwntiff | Let's see if the Navy is still suffering self-inflicted DDOS |
| 21:15.06 | Lugburz | wait what, the navy DDOSed themselves? |
| 21:15.26 | pwntiff | today advancement exams are out for literally half the navy |
| 21:15.40 | pwntiff | exam results** |
| 21:15.45 | Lugburz | oooo |
| 21:15.47 | Lugburz | gotcha |
| 21:16.12 | pwntiff | I know I didn't make it because the list was mirrored on a non-secure site |
| 21:16.32 | pwntiff | but I'd like to see how much I improved over last time |
| 21:17.49 | Lugburz | forever a private first class |
| 21:18.53 | pwntiff | I'll make petty officer 2nd class in no more than a year |
| 21:19.09 | Lugburz | lol atta way |
| 21:19.47 | pwntiff | Well, if they aren't blowing smoke at us, we'll be starting our last school next month |
| 21:20.10 | pwntiff | and about 5 months after that, I should be able to reenlist and be promoted |
| 21:39.56 | JunkHead | All tanking stances and similar effects now increases threat generated by 900% (up from 600%). |
| 21:40.00 | JunkHead | welp... |
| 21:40.33 | pwntiff | Icy Touch also generates 300% more thread than normal. >.> |
| 21:40.46 | pwntiff | threat* |
| 21:40.58 | pwntiff | I miss that patch |
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| 22:04.56 | b4k4^^ | JunkHead: oof |
| 22:05.36 | b4k4^^ | I remember it being increased to IIRC 400% because dps and that wasn't too long ago |
| 22:08.20 | Amarande | b4k4^^: you mean the 'easy mode tank factor"? |
| 22:08.52 | Amarande | mind you, that's one of wow's chronic issues |
| 22:09.00 | Lugburz | wait they're increasing like, more threat generation? |
| 22:09.01 | Amarande | dps expect to be able to go full tilt no matter what |
| 22:09.11 | Lugburz | "DPS very slowly" |
| 22:09.21 | pwntiff | okay less dots |
| 22:09.22 | Amarande | so tanking becomes more and more and more mindless, because as an expansion gets older you have to increase the threat generation on tanks |
| 22:09.31 | b4k4^^ | :D |
| 22:09.49 | Lugburz | tl;dr wow is ezmode |
| 22:09.54 | Amarande | because you have to account for dungeon finder groups where the DPS have balls to the wall top tier gear and meanwhile you have someone's baby tank alt who's just qualified for the instance |
| 22:09.56 | b4k4^^ | just watched that early yesterday |
| 22:09.57 | Lugburz | been watereddown to ezmode game :p |
| 22:10.05 | pwntiff | hooyah wildstar |
| 22:10.09 | Amarande | and of course the DPS won't cut back for the tank |
| 22:10.10 | b4k4^^ | still trying to get Ony to drop herself |
| 22:10.26 | b4k4^^ | and maybe get other achis while I'm at it |
| 22:10.33 | Amarande | Lugburz: the problem is all the alternatives are worse, given that social environment :| |
| 22:10.45 | Amarande | imagine if you didn't raise the threat multiplier |
| 22:10.55 | Lugburz | heh that is true. |
| 22:10.56 | Amarande | you'd probably make the tank shortage even worse yet, because you'd scare off even more potential tanks |
| 22:11.12 | Lugburz | theres always a chronic tank shortage |
| 22:11.21 | Amarande | because the DPS would just vote kick every tank that wasn't geared enough to keep up (and then faceroll the instance anyway, from what I've understood of end-of-expansion gear in heroics) |
| 22:11.23 | b4k4^^ | in a dungeon if you have that balls to the wall dps the tank is irrelevant |
| 22:11.23 | Lugburz | healers for some reason seem to pop up lol |
| 22:11.45 | Amarande | I suspect the problem is ultimately that we have a cross-server dungeon finder with votekicks, heh |
| 22:12.28 | Amarande | when the dungeon finder was new, I liked the idea immensely |
| 22:12.39 | b4k4^^ | solve by making LFD single-server -> low pop realms will have no dungeons while leveling :3 |
| 22:12.57 | Amarande | especially since I don't like to text talk and don't have a ninja reaction time in general chat, so whenever LFM DPS calls went out, I got a 'full sry' back most of the time :| |
| 22:13.27 | Amarande | and in BC I couldn't get groups at all because nobody did reg 70s by that point and you were expected to have T5 raid gear to do heroics |
| 22:13.39 | Amarande | now I have to think it's not really such a good idea after all |
| 22:14.09 | Amarande | the impersonality lends weight to douchebags, and so does the vote kick feature, especially since I've got the impression that there's a netiquette expectation that people are supposed to vote yes on vote kicks and voting no is rude, heh |
| 22:15.08 | Amarande | then the vote kick feature in turn lends itself to other undesirable behaviour (especially when new expansions come out and it proves to actually make things overly difficult) |
| 22:15.29 | Amarande | I'm sure a lot of people are gogogogogogo types because it shields them from actually-deserved vote kicks LOL |
| 22:16.32 | Amarande | (since if they can keep the party in combat and/or rolling on loot the whole instance, nobody can do jack about them even if they're a rude ninja spewing racist diatribe, to indicate a particularly egregious potential scenario) |
| 22:16.40 | JunkHead | yep. i hate that shit too. |
| 22:16.48 | JunkHead | get into an instance and someone just doesn't move. |
| 22:16.58 | JunkHead | try to kick? "cant be kicked for 2 hours" |
| 22:17.21 | JunkHead | and yeah we had a dk in a low lvl group once. never stopped fighting so we couldnt kick |
| 22:17.28 | JunkHead | we finally got him to stop and booted him |
| 22:17.39 | Amarande | good thing there's no loot beams in wow, much as they would be useful |
| 22:18.07 | Amarande | they'd keep you from wasting time after encounters, but they'd also tell those kind of people exactly which mobs to leave for later in order to keep everyone in a no-kick zone |
| 22:18.17 | pwntiff | "Oh, you've recently kicked a griefer? You have to wait to kick this other griefer." |
| 22:18.27 | Amarande | pwntiff: alas, that's necessary |
| 22:18.37 | Amarande | pwntiff: too many people who abuse the vote kick feature to be assholes, otherwise |
| 22:18.46 | pwntiff | Right, I remember the dark days |
| 22:19.03 | Amarande | doesn't help that vote kicks rarely fail, either |
| 22:19.16 | Amarande | seems that even when no reason is given, people mindlessly click yes as if they're expected to do it |
| 22:19.22 | pwntiff | Yep |
| 22:19.26 | Lugburz | BUT THE PERKY PUG ACHEIVEMENT. Totally worthwhile |
| 22:19.49 | Amarande | it's a good thing vote kicks are a secret ballot, I suspect I'd be the next target in many a group otherwise, since I'd be shown as someone who votes no |
| 22:20.00 | pwntiff | I was gearing a new 80 with a friend healing and I got kicked for low gear |
| 22:20.02 | Lugburz | cause you actually think when you vote lol |
| 22:20.11 | pwntiff | They had the fun of waiting for a new healer too :3 |
| 22:20.12 | Amarande | myself I really only use the system for ninja looters and people who disconnect and don't come back |
| 22:20.26 | pwntiff | Same |
| 22:20.31 | pwntiff | except past tense |
| 22:20.39 | Amarande | half the time not even for ninja looters really heh |
| 22:20.56 | Amarande | mostly because after the first content patch or so in an expansion, you really stop giving a shit about loot in heroics anyway, and it's not like they can ninja your valor points :P |
| 22:21.45 | Amarande | though yeah, despite that enabling factor for idiots, I do think that loot beams would be a nice thing in wow |
| 22:21.56 | Amarande | that and double tap for reticles |
| 22:22.37 | Amarande | swtor features, if you're unfamiliar. mobs that drop loot emit a beam above them if they have loot, and also it shows what quality their best loot is |
| 22:22.47 | Amarande | so a mob that dropped an epic's got a purple beam coming up from it, say |
| 22:23.00 | Amarande | if it's a teal beam, then it's just vendor trash and credits |
| 22:23.28 | Amarande | also if you use an attack that uses a targeting reticle, double-tapping the hotkey causes it to center on your target automatically without having to stop and go click there |
| 22:23.46 | Amarande | both should be in every mmo really :) |
| 22:24.08 | pwntiff | I'm looking forward to raiding with wildstar's telegraphs |
| 22:26.18 | Amarande | mind you, the loot beam is really not as useful in swtor as it sounds though, otoh |
| 22:27.02 | Amarande | given that there's AoE looting anyway, and you can't really pass up the vendor trash and credits because the economy is stingy and expensive enough (at least on jedi covenant) that you really need every cred you can get |
| 22:27.26 | Amarande | not like WoW where leaving behind loot is often desirable |
| 22:27.39 | pwntiff | ah, bottomless bag |
| 22:27.57 | Amarande | or LOTRO where you don't even actually LOOT mobs anymore :) |
| 22:28.09 | pwntiff | now that's just silly |
| 22:28.21 | Amarande | well, you do still get loot from them |
| 22:28.36 | Amarande | but LOTRO did away with the whole 'click to loot' paradigm altogether ... you automatically loot each mob as it dies |
| 22:29.05 | Amarande | pretty sure the only time you need to click to loot anymore is if your inv was full when the mob died (maybe in raid loot situations too, I'm not sure there) |
| 22:29.29 | Amarande | I actually think it's a nice feature, especially if you're ranged |
| 22:30.22 | pwntiff | yeah, that would be nice for casters |
| 22:30.44 | Amarande | and when mobs die in awkward locations |
| 22:31.07 | Amarande | everyone's had that occasional kill in WoW where it was not possible to loot because the mob landed on a cliff somewhere where you can't reach them long enough to complete a loot, I'm sure |
| 22:31.25 | pwntiff | I mained a druid >.> |
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