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| 02:12.01 | narwhalbot | [Wowhead News] 5.4.7 Patch Notes - http://www.wowhead.com/news=228713/5-4-7-patch-notes |
| 02:17.01 | narwhalbot | [Wowhead News] 5.4.7 Official Patch Notes - http://www.wowhead.com/news=228713/5-4-7-official-patch-notes |
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| 04:24.31 | NullEntity | so I have 368 lesser cosmic essence. How can I liquidate these without flooding the market? |
| 04:25.42 | kullervo | NullEntity: toss them on the ground |
| 04:25.49 | NullEntity | :( |
| 04:25.56 | kullervo | make sure to scatter them around so you don't poison the groundwater |
| 04:33.33 | Amarande | NullEntity: give them away to a guildie who needs to level enchanting on an alt? |
| 04:34.19 | NullEntity | I was hpoing to find a way to sell them because I'm out of money. I listed them before, but they didn't sell at all |
| 04:34.42 | NullEntity | turns out people just kept undercutting me and each other until the price was extremely low >.> |
| 04:35.17 | Amarande | heh, that's the way of things |
| 04:41.47 | NullEntity | is it possible to tell if stuff actually sells for a certain price on the AH? it's confusing when sites report stuff as valuable, but rare, but really someone just listed it for 10k and then it expired because nobody wants it |
| 04:42.08 | Amarande | NullEntity: that's one thing you really can't do for the most part |
| 04:42.22 | Amarande | basically, scanners can only tell what stuff was listed for, not whether it actually sold |
| 04:42.34 | Amarande | even with auctioneer the only info you can get on actual sales is for things *you* sold personally |
| 04:43.16 | Amarande | also it's hard to pin down a precise value on many of those kind of items |
| 04:43.28 | Amarande | because they're rare, so there's no consistent market for them to provide a baseline |
| 04:43.46 | Amarande | and on the flip side, they tend to be things of niche interest as well (most of those lower level epic weapons only sell when someone wants them for a mog) |
| 04:44.18 | Amarande | so pretty much that's what you DO with stuff like that, you list it for several thousand, knowing it probably won't be undercut because it's such a rarity, and hope someone decides they want it today or tomorrow :) |
| 04:57.58 | NullEntity | I have a skullflame shield and darkmoon eye, but they haven't been selling at all :( |
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| 17:28.10 | Stormkitty | Dammit Blizzard do maintenance faster, I want to play my DK |
| 17:29.39 | Amarande | Gonna have to face it you're addicted to WoW |
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| 17:45.32 | JunkHead | so character boost price is possibly $60 |
| 17:49.43 | fewyn | yes |
| 17:49.45 | fewyn | i heard |
| 17:50.04 | fewyn | pricier than i expected but less than the absurd numbers people i know were throwing around |
| 17:52.10 | JunkHead | I'm ok with it. |
| 17:52.21 | JunkHead | It's in that range where if people wanna do it, they can. |
| 17:52.41 | JunkHead | But some people will hate the price, so they can just.... not pay it. |
| 17:54.10 | JunkHead | Hey fewyn, what class will you use yours on? |
| 17:54.36 | JunkHead | Don't you already have 2 90's of each?:P |
| 17:55.35 | b4k4^^ | :P |
| 17:55.58 | b4k4^^ | quick! delete a toon! |
| 17:56.08 | fewyn | i have no idea JunkHead |
| 17:56.10 | fewyn | tbqh |
| 17:56.59 | Amarande | wow, Blizzard decided to just up and sell an in-house leveling service? |
| 17:57.30 | JunkHead | I have 2 accounts, (one is inactive usually) |
| 17:57.40 | JunkHead | So that's 2 free 90's. |
| 17:57.43 | Amarande | bleh, this is gonna be fun in queues I'm sure :| |
| 17:57.59 | JunkHead | 2 free 90's I don't need. |
| 17:58.04 | Amarande | "hey, let's make it easy for someone to have a 90+ character and not actually have to learn their class on the way" |
| 17:58.18 | b4k4^^ | +a zillion |
| 17:58.19 | JunkHead | I could just make one on another server, but I'd never play it and it'd be a waste. |
| 17:58.25 | Amarande | we've got enough dodos in queues who don't know their damn class as it is |
| 17:58.42 | JunkHead | The only other option is to make whatever would help my guild get "Stay Classy". |
| 17:58.49 | Amarande | (okay, I guess I should go easy on a few of them ... there are probably the ones who spent their entire career in one role/spec and then decided to switch and are still learning the ropes of tanking/healing :S) |
| 17:58.52 | b4k4^^ | that |
| 17:59.08 | Amarande | JunkHead, feeling the need for that 8th tab? |
| 17:59.38 | b4k4^^ | (I have 2 toons in the pipeline for that achi, incidentally) |
| 17:59.40 | JunkHead | It'd help. |
| 17:59.54 | Amarande | heh, I remember seeing when that tab came out |
| 18:00.12 | Amarande | and thinking that's got to be the most ridiculously impossible requirement for a guild to ever meet in a reasonable sense |
| 18:00.21 | Amarande | I mean, let's think about it, in the long run, there are three basic kinds of guild |
| 18:00.33 | Amarande | A. Close knit groups of friends who form a guild for just themselves to have a private gaming club |
| 18:01.08 | Amarande | B. Mostly-unregulated social oriented guilds that have lots of people but don't really pay much attention to focused goals except perhaps that of avoiding excessive drama |
| 18:01.27 | JunkHead | Eh, I dunno. I like my guild. Lot of nice people. |
| 18:01.30 | Amarande | C. Hard core raid guilds where the whole organisation is built around clearing content as efficiently as possible |
| 18:01.45 | JunkHead | I even randomly ask them odd questions. |
| 18:01.50 | Amarande | JunkHead: it's not that any of these are "bad", it's that I expected that practically none of them would be reasonably able to Stay Classy, specifically |
| 18:02.05 | JunkHead | Other night I asked a guy "if you could gkick anyone in the guild, for any reason, who would it be?" |
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| 18:02.16 | JunkHead | he honestly couldnt choose anyone. said he liked everyone. |
| 18:02.17 | Amarande | Keep in mind, you have to have like what, 50+ different characters all of the right combinations to get it now? |
| 18:02.20 | b4k4^^ | leeeeeeroy |
| 18:02.28 | JunkHead | not sur the number |
| 18:02.29 | Amarande | let's see ... |
| 18:02.59 | JunkHead | But we have people who will help out for those things. |
| 18:03.02 | Amarande | A is unlikely to ever be large enough to get this (although the fact that friends-guild types tend to have the biggest cases of altitis might help in terms of the character count needed, but see B) |
| 18:03.05 | b4k4^^ | we are something like 5 combos short |
| 18:03.29 | JunkHead | Like, other ngiht I mentioned we needed someone with exalth with silverwing sentinels to get that chievement |
| 18:03.39 | JunkHead | guy on vent says, i think my other mage has that |
| 18:03.45 | Amarande | B is unlikely to manage to marshal people to actually get all the combos (type B will probably have similar class/race demographics to WoW at large and they strongly slant towards some combinations and almost not at all to others) |
| 18:03.45 | b4k4^^ | :D |
| 18:03.49 | JunkHead | so he logs off, hops on his alt mage |
| 18:03.53 | JunkHead | asks for ginvite |
| 18:03.58 | JunkHead | links that he is exalted |
| 18:04.02 | JunkHead | also.... |
| 18:04.12 | JunkHead | links achievement for 250000 honroable kills |
| 18:04.17 | Amarande | C is again likely to fail to have sufficient characters, since you need 50+ characters and hardcore raid guilds are built around a specific team of 10 or 25, normally |
| 18:04.18 | JunkHead | 250k |
| 18:04.23 | JunkHead | and his mage is 61 |
| 18:04.32 | b4k4^^ | :D |
| 18:04.33 | JunkHead | i was like... wtf |
| 18:04.37 | Amarande | also, hardcore raiding strongly slants against certain races, so those are likely to have a tough time getting represented :S |
| 18:04.41 | Amarande | so, which type will make it? |
| 18:04.53 | JunkHead | races wont matter really in wod |
| 18:04.59 | JunkHead | they dont matter much now really |
| 18:05.12 | Amarande | JunkHead: the absolute hardcore care about the little things like orc damage bonuses and such, though |
| 18:05.19 | JunkHead | those will be gone |
| 18:05.24 | JunkHead | racials are being changed |
| 18:05.33 | Amarande | hmmm |
| 18:05.36 | b4k4^^ | myeah |
| 18:05.45 | Amarande | can we make gnomes always have a giant neon sign above their location in battlegrounds? |
| 18:05.48 | Amarande | that would be a nice new racial |
| 18:05.49 | Amarande | :) |
| 18:05.51 | b4k4^^ | if hit is going away draenei racial goes away |
| 18:05.56 | JunkHead | yup. |
| 18:06.04 | JunkHead | and human expertise bonus |
| 18:06.08 | Amarande | stupid gnomes |
| 18:06.32 | b4k4^^ | I switched my gnome monk to human because I couldn't see where I was in raids :P |
| 18:07.05 | JunkHead | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/12953018/warlords-of-draenor-pvp-update-2-18-2014 |
| 18:07.14 | JunkHead | and this appears to be the big news of the day |
| 18:09.35 | Amarande | or maybe in pvp, there should be an enforced setup, kinda like how mog gear looks don't show up in battlegrounds |
| 18:09.52 | Amarande | where gnomes are always forced to wear their longest honkin' title while in the bg |
| 18:09.56 | Amarande | so they're easy to pick out :) |
| 18:10.17 | Amarande | oh sorry no you can't have no title or just Jenkins, you have to wear DEFENDER OF A SHATTERED WORLD whenever you're in BG, damn gnome :D |
| 18:12.42 | b4k4^^ | hmm, I don't have that |
| 18:12.55 | b4k4^^ | I do have Champion of the Frozen Wastes tho |
| 18:13.52 | b4k4^^ | "Terrain outside of Frostwolf Keep has been modified to prevent players from jumping over the walls." |
| 18:14.02 | b4k4^^ | AV has been out how long? |
| 18:14.30 | fewyn | forever |
| 18:14.41 | fewyn | did they really change that? |
| 18:14.46 | g0urra | yes |
| 18:15.08 | fewyn | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 18:15.21 | Amarande | wait, they FINALLY nerfed Alliance's ridiculous terrain advantage there? |
| 18:15.25 | Amarande | after what, 9 years? |
| 18:15.32 | fewyn | "ridiculous" |
| 18:16.01 | Amarande | fewyn: Alliance had a *much* more airtight keep assuming good defence |
| 18:16.11 | Amarande | whereas Drek was always far too easy to reach by comparison |
| 18:16.31 | Amarande | to make it worse, in 2.4 they tweaked stuff to give Alliance still more of an advantage |
| 18:16.47 | Amarande | all because of two battlegroups apparently, since in the other 7 Alliance was running even or better in AV |
| 18:19.02 | narwhalbot | [Wowhead News] Warlords of Draenor: PvP Spectator Invite System - http://www.wowhead.com/news=228769/warlords-of-draenor-pvp-spectator-invite-system |
| 18:29.02 | narwhalbot | [Wowhead News] Level 90 Boosts Cost $60, PvP Spectator Invite System in Warlords - http://www.wowhead.com/news=228769/level-90-boosts-cost-60-pvp-spectator-invite-system-in-warlords |
| 18:40.38 | Eraclito | about alterac valley |
| 18:40.54 | Eraclito | i now want the horde base graveyard to be in front of drek |
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| 18:41.11 | Eraclito | as the flag of alliance base graveyard is in front of vanndar, much easier to defend for horde |
| 19:05.09 | Amarande | hm |
| 19:05.18 | Amarande | what is blizzard thinking with this "pay $60 to go to 90" thing anyways :| |
| 19:05.33 | Amarande | that's practically a game destroyer there |
| 19:06.06 | Amarande | hell. even the nickel-and-dime F2P games I've seen, even the more BLATANT of F2P games I've seen (like, say, Aeria's offerings) don't offer "pay this lump sum and jump straight to the cap" features like that :P |
| 19:06.48 | Amarande | the only other thing I've seen that's even similar is in LOTRO, and that's a $50 clunker that only bumps you up to the ORIGINAL game level cap, not even the first or second expansion's, let alone anywhere close to current cap |
| 19:07.21 | Amarande | (to be equivalent to the WoW service basically, it would have had to bump you up to 85 ... it only bumps you to 50) |
| 19:08.44 | fewyn | Amarande the price point is where it's not too expensive yet it is |
| 19:08.53 | fewyn | most users won't use it |
| 19:08.59 | fewyn | because it's a bit too pricey |
| 19:09.26 | fewyn | it'll be useful to those players who want an alt but don't want to slog through 1-90 again |
| 19:09.32 | fewyn | because it's def a slog |
| 19:09.35 | fewyn | i've done it 24 times |
| 19:09.38 | Amarande | eh |
| 19:09.43 | Amarande | it's really only a slog from 80-90 or so |
| 19:09.54 | Amarande | if anything they keep steadily making leveling up TOO fast, in my feelings at least |
| 19:10.17 | Amarande | let's put it this way, in LOTRO, I've never felt like I'm being marched though the levels so fast I'll run out of things to do |
| 19:10.25 | Amarande | hell, in LOTRO, I've never even managed to hit the level cap yet heh |
| 19:10.34 | Amarande | and yet, it doesn't feel too slow, either |
| 19:10.59 | Amarande | actually in many cases it feels like you actually level at a rate that lets you reasonably experience the content without zinging past it |
| 19:11.23 | JunkHead | nah |
| 19:11.31 | JunkHead | 80=90 is the easiest |
| 19:11.34 | JunkHead | 80-90 |
| 19:11.39 | Amarande | e.g. if you enter Moria at 50, quests will start out at or near level, you don't even really *start* to out level them till about half way through, and even towards the end they're still at least teal level |
| 19:11.42 | JunkHead | I can't typically get past 40. |
| 19:11.52 | JunkHead | vanilla leveling is awful. |
| 19:12.00 | Amarande | do that with a WoW expansion level bracket, quests will start out at or near level & then you rapidly outlevel them |
| 19:13.01 | Amarande | and yet in a way you still level too fast in vanilla |
| 19:13.21 | Amarande | ever try to experience the Alliance or Horde's story progression through one of the 1-60 continents and manage to actually do it? |
| 19:13.41 | JunkHead | tried? yes |
| 19:13.41 | Amarande | ... me neither, by the time you finish questing in one zone (enough to get the zone quest achieve) you're practically outleveling the next one already too |
| 19:13.45 | JunkHead | succeeded? no. |
| 19:14.04 | Amarande | and more's the pity is you get some areas where you're really meant to do them sequentially together |
| 19:14.05 | JunkHead | I even made a new character on a new server. |
| 19:14.07 | Amarande | like the Plaguelands |
| 19:14.12 | JunkHead | no heirlooms. no ddons |
| 19:14.20 | JunkHead | i got to like... 20 and quit |
| 19:14.45 | JunkHead | if you ask me, the paid boosts will not matter. |
| 19:14.54 | JunkHead | WoD is giving everyone 1 free boost to 90 anyway |
| 19:15.10 | Amarande | yeah, the big issue with the paid boosts is more likely to be one of baldness in groups |
| 19:15.28 | Amarande | as in, helping to produce even more people who are trying to run high level LFDs and don't have a clue about their class :| |
| 19:15.42 | fewyn | they have to learn a class somehow |
| 19:15.49 | fewyn | you don't really learn to play your class 1-90 |
| 19:16.00 | JunkHead | i also dont do much outside my guild. |
| 19:16.00 | Amarande | fewyn: that's part of what the leveling experience is for, to introduce you to your abilities over time? |
| 19:16.08 | fewyn | haha |
| 19:16.12 | JunkHead | and my guildies... i trust them to boost to 90 and figure it out quickly. |
| 19:16.22 | Amarande | oh, that's another thing |
| 19:16.33 | Amarande | will we start seeing raiding guilds start putting more pressure on members to shell out the money :| |
| 19:16.37 | JunkHead | Amarande that's a part of it yeah..... "in theory" |
| 19:16.41 | fewyn | Amarande |
| 19:16.48 | fewyn | if your guild is going to do that |
| 19:16.50 | Amarande | especially given we're talking about WoW here |
| 19:16.50 | JunkHead | that also might happen. |
| 19:16.52 | fewyn | time to find a new guild |
| 19:16.54 | JunkHead | but who cares |
| 19:16.56 | fewyn | i doubt that will happen |
| 19:16.58 | JunkHead | my guild wont do that |
| 19:17.00 | fewyn | same |
| 19:17.05 | JunkHead | my guild damn sure wont do that shit |
| 19:17.09 | Amarande | I was afraid of that with the star-lit crystals and such in LOTRO, but there seems to have been very little real pressure among players upon others to buy the advantages |
| 19:17.17 | Amarande | even though they are much more measurably real advantages in that case, to boot |
| 19:17.22 | JunkHead | people can do that if they want of course. |
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| 19:20.37 | Amarande | but then, we're talking about WoW here |
| 19:20.45 | Amarande | WoW is a game that's built around end-game raiding as the Big Thing |
| 19:20.56 | Amarande | and where players take great pride in being as optimal as possible when they do so |
| 19:21.11 | Amarande | by comparison, raiding is much, much less important in LOTRO to most players |
| 19:25.52 | JunkHead | I'm willing to wager that everything in LOTRO is less important.:P |
| 19:26.03 | narwhalbot | [Wowhead News] Patch 5.4.7 and Season 15 PvP Guide - http://www.wowhead.com/news=228774/patch-5-4-7-and-season-15-pvp-guide |
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| 19:31.10 | Amarande | JunkHead: LOTRO is very strongly based around world quests and the epic story questline |
| 19:31.14 | JunkHead | also, i never noticed that little icon on the bnet launcher |
| 19:31.28 | JunkHead | that if you hover your mouse over it it tells you about maintenance. |
| 19:31.30 | Amarande | some epic story questlines can require a group, depending on the specific quest and what class/spec you are |
| 19:31.35 | Amarande | but none ever require a raid |
| 19:31.58 | Amarande | Raids are strictly side-story matters rather than being centre stage like WoW, although you do get to have fun with things like going to Orthanc and taking on Saruman |
| 19:32.27 | Amarande | actually, I guess for the particular licence, that raiding model also works much better for other reasons, too |
| 19:33.12 | Amarande | like letting players have the chance to test their mettle against enemies that SZC would *NEVER* allow to have killed off for real in the storyline |
| 19:33.19 | Amarande | or at least not then, anyway |
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| 19:42.11 | Benneh | how about that! there's actually people here :p |
| 19:44.21 | nebula169 | not really, just a whole lot of Amarande |
| 19:47.44 | Amarande | there's also a little bit of fewyn, a little bit of JunkHead and ... dammit, I'm never going to be able to spoof that song that way am I LOL |
| 20:19.11 | kullervo | http://www.twitch.tv/kllrv/c/3747068 |
| 20:19.13 | kullervo | (turn down your volume) |
| 20:19.37 | kullervo | epic kill, really thought he'd just munch me |
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| 23:47.36 | *** join/#wowhead GMSpecOps (ad493760@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.73.55.96) |
| 23:48.07 | GMSpecOps | Looking for people with exp.., to create a new wow public server! 5.4.2 or 4.3.4., if so send me an email to o372torricoj.usmc@Live.com.., or sent me an email to here or just a public post.., ASAP! |
| 23:48.18 | GMSpecOps | looking for GM and Admins |
| 23:48.29 | GMSpecOps | for new server |
| 23:49.15 | Azelphur | spamming is always a good start to something new :P |
| 23:49.40 | GMSpecOps | not a spam |
| 23:50.18 | GMSpecOps | im serious |
| 23:50.27 | GMSpecOps | need people to run the server |
| 23:50.49 | Azelphur | GMSpecOps: suggest reading the dictionary, you currently fit the definition exactly. :) |
| 23:53.24 | GMSpecOps | nvm...... |
| 23:54.25 | GMSpecOps | lol |
| 23:54.48 | GMSpecOps | but hey |
| 23:55.00 | GMSpecOps | need people for my server.., trying to look |