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| 01:14.11 | kullervo | blademeld: I'm raiding |
| 01:14.12 | kullervo | and hammered |
| 01:27.09 | blademeld | kullervo: so... average night then? |
| 01:27.32 | kullervo | blademeld: I'm also basically leading the raid on this boss |
| 01:32.57 | kullervo | "star owls fucking rock!" |
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| 18:44.28 | xadin | Trying to figure out what I should use for a guild site, going to host it myself and use a CMS like joomla or drupal. I tried Joomla but can't find any good templates that are free. |
| 18:44.32 | xadin | anyone got a recommendation? |
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| 19:26.26 | kullervo | honestly no idea |
| 19:26.52 | kullervo | make your own? |
| 19:39.09 | xadin | rather not |
| 19:39.35 | xadin | I haven't made a site theme for like 10 years. |
| 19:39.52 | xadin | was just seein if anyone had a solution in mind, nbd. |
| 19:42.40 | Gnarfoz | this might be cruel, but: eqdkp+ ;-P |
| 20:03.34 | JunkHead | quetsion |
| 20:03.42 | JunkHead | anyone know if miyari still plays wow? |
| 20:04.27 | JunkHead | i saw someone with that name in LFR a few days ago. |
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| 20:05.01 | xadin1 | JunkHead: Was that for me? |
| 20:05.10 | JunkHead | nah just for anyone |
| 20:05.12 | xadin1 | oops, Gnarfoz** |
| 20:09.26 | Gnarfoz | it was |
| 20:10.05 | Gnarfoz | the authors are incompetent hacks though; on the other hand, it's the only software that was created for this particular purpose as far as I'm aware |
| 20:11.04 | xadin1 | Isee |
| 20:11.18 | xadin1 | Too bad the german to english translation is broken. |
| 20:11.55 | xadin1 | I was just going to use e107, drupal, wordpress, or something similar. Find a theme and plugins for it. |
| 20:12.10 | xadin1 | I found a theme for e107, plugins are slim though. |
| 20:13.28 | Gnarfoz | german to english translation of what? |
| 20:13.37 | Gnarfoz | (by what, too) |
| 20:15.47 | Gnarfoz | eqdkp+ has an english home page, did you end up on the german version for some reason? http://eqdkp-plus.eu/en/ |
| 20:22.08 | xadin1 | ahh that's better |
| 20:22.26 | xadin1 | at the top of eqdkp-lus.eu it has a language change option but it didn't work. |
| 20:22.52 | xadin1 | ok, so what is cruel about this recommendation? |
| 20:23.59 | Gnarfoz | they took the last 4 years or so to go from version 0.6.4 to 1.0; this in itself doesn't really mean anything... code quality-wise, it's a mess, but I guess end users don't really need to care about that |
| 20:24.50 | Gnarfoz | this week, they released 1.0.1, had a bug in it, re-released it under the same version number (?!), noticed a typo that broke the installer and released it AGAIN under the same version number |
| 20:25.02 | Gnarfoz | now there's 3 variants of the same version package out there |
| 20:25.23 | Gnarfoz | what. why would anyone who's spent 5 or more years on such a project do this to themselves? :D |
| 20:30.57 | xadin1 | I wouldn't update a live site with a patch that took them that long to make. |
| 20:31.24 | xadin1 | Have you used it? You like? |
| 20:31.59 | xadin1 | pretty sure I've ran accros this in the past. |
| 20:35.54 | Gnarfoz | I'm sure you have, it's pretty much the only thing that does what it does and is freely available (i.e. to host yourself, I bet services like GuildLaunch, Enjin, Wowstead, etc have their own stuff) |
| 20:36.12 | Gnarfoz | (that I know of! I'd certainly take a look at alternatives :D) |
| 20:36.27 | Gnarfoz | well, I used their previous code base (i.e. before 1.0) |
| 20:37.53 | Gnarfoz | it was ok. the nightmare only begins when you start looking at the code for whatever reasons ;p (add your own, customize, bugs, etc) |
| 20:38.07 | xadin1 | hmm |
| 20:38.12 | xadin1 | install was simple |
| 20:40.08 | xadin1 | Looks nice |
| 20:40.15 | xadin1 | at first glance |
| 20:50.39 | Gnarfoz | sounds great |
| 20:50.59 | Gnarfoz | maybe I should try upgrading our 0.6.4.something to 1.0 |
| 20:51.12 | Gnarfoz | not that we really use our homepage anymore these days |
| 20:51.20 | Gnarfoz | we don't really have a need for it |
| 20:51.37 | Gnarfoz | it was very useful back in the day when we were 25 man (and 40 man before that) |
| 20:52.00 | xadin1 | so you've used this for awhile |
| 20:52.07 | xadin1 | any major issues other than customizing it? |
| 20:52.42 | xadin1 | We are currently a 10m guild but with mythics coming up I want to have the ability to use epgp again. |
| 20:52.47 | Gnarfoz | nothing major, no, you get used to how it's supposed to work after a while |
| 20:52.50 | xadin1 | and this has a module for it, which is nice. |
| 20:53.02 | xadin1 | What about a forum? |
| 20:53.06 | Gnarfoz | dunno, we only used (zero sum) dkp then |
| 20:53.07 | xadin1 | You just load a separate one and link? |
| 20:53.15 | Gnarfoz | basically, yes |
| 20:53.22 | Gnarfoz | they have single sign-on bridges for some |
| 20:53.29 | xadin1 | ahh nice |
| 20:53.29 | Gnarfoz | there's a list on their home page |
| 20:53.49 | Gnarfoz | so you can kinda integrate them (find or create a matching style for both etc) |
| 20:54.13 | xadin1 | What you thought was a cruel recommendation looks to be exactly what I need. :) |
| 20:54.22 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 20:56.50 | Gnarfoz | in that case: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvr97uwP7l1qibz0jo1_r1_500.png |
| 20:57.11 | xadin1 | haha |
| 21:03.02 | xadin1 | The forced encryption on install made me happy. |
| 21:03.20 | xadin1 | though I need to see what and how they are using it. |
| 21:07.18 | Gnarfoz | the what |
| 21:07.46 | Gnarfoz | that sounds like the typical "great idea" someone would have on a night out |
| 21:07.58 | Gnarfoz | get home drunk, implement some half-assed random shit |
| 21:08.00 | Gnarfoz | and call it "encryption" |
| 21:08.02 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:22.23 | xadin1 | that's what I'm wondering, don't know till I research it. |
| 21:22.42 | xadin1 | but when installing it the site asks for an encryption key and doesn't let you past it. |
| 21:22.55 | xadin1 | it's not filesystem ofc |
| 21:23.14 | xadin1 | I can read the text files, idk I'll look later. |
| 21:52.00 | Dennls | some of my friends just made a new guild |
| 21:52.34 | Dennls | first thing the lock said was "can we please change the guild tabard to match my outfit? I spent a really long time designing this mog arround our previous one" |
| 21:53.06 | Gnarfoz | sounds like your friends are going to make another guild with one less player |
| 22:02.30 | xadin1 | just for a tabbard lol |
| 22:02.57 | xadin1 | I still wear the tabbard from the wrath invasion event :) |
| 22:03.10 | xadin1 | which was amazin, wish I could experience that again. |
| 22:03.14 | kd3 | scarlet tabard 4eva |
| 22:03.23 | xadin1 | turning silvermoon into a city of walking dead was awesome. |
| 22:03.57 | xadin1 | swarms of zombies trying to enter the front gates of Org |
| 22:04.03 | xadin1 | with Horde trying to fight them back |
| 22:04.06 | Gnarfoz | xadin1: 'encryptkey_info'=> 'The encryption key is part of the encryption process used to protect sensitive data in the database, such as your users email addresses. Even if your database is compromised, without the encryption key your data remains encoded and secure. Therefore please choose a secure key, and ensure that you store a safe copy. Nobody else can ever retrieve it for you if it becomes lost!', |
| 22:04.26 | xadin1 | yes that's what it said. |
| 22:04.31 | Gnarfoz | so... what are they saying |
| 22:04.37 | xadin1 | ya idk lol |
| 22:04.46 | xadin1 | that's why I said I'd like to see what the encryption is. |
| 22:04.55 | Gnarfoz | yeah *boggle* |
| 22:06.10 | Gnarfoz | well, seems they encrypt (for once, this is the correct term, they use "encrypt" all over the place, when they actually mean "hash" most of the time) some user data |
| 22:06.13 | Gnarfoz | (as it says!) |
| 22:06.41 | Gnarfoz | probably under the assumption that whoever is going to steal your database won't be able to steal your config file that contains the key |
| 22:06.54 | xadin1 | ... |
| 22:07.05 | Gnarfoz | right? :P |
| 22:07.05 | xadin1 | well they may not |
| 22:07.15 | xadin1 | many still don't know how to secure mysql |
| 22:07.19 | Gnarfoz | yeah, sql injection or something |
| 22:07.24 | Gnarfoz | without actual code execution |
| 22:07.32 | Gnarfoz | but... how likely is that, really |
| 22:08.04 | xadin1 | what is likely is someone setting the site up using a crap password in mysql to test it out, then importing players and having some guildies test the site out. |
| 22:08.15 | Gnarfoz | and then keep using it. :D |
| 22:08.17 | xadin1 | oh damn my mysql just got brute forced, shouldn't have used testpassword |
| 22:08.21 | xadin1 | yup lol |
| 22:08.38 | Gnarfoz | well, it can't really hurt to obfuscate user data |
| 22:08.52 | Gnarfoz | just not sure why they had to make it user controllable |
| 22:08.58 | xadin1 | better than nothing, might save a few ppl. |
| 22:09.02 | Gnarfoz | "here's your encryption key, keep it safe!" |
| 22:09.10 | xadin1 | ya idk, make you feel better? |
| 22:09.25 | xadin1 | Like using https when you don't know if the server is even secure. |
| 22:09.26 | Gnarfoz | well |
| 22:09.27 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 22:09.30 | Gnarfoz | no idea |
| 22:09.41 | Gnarfoz | they put 6 chars as the minimum lenght |
| 22:09.45 | Gnarfoz | length |
| 22:09.49 | xadin1 | huh |
| 22:09.57 | Gnarfoz | so... that's kinda pointless |
| 22:10.10 | xadin1 | I always look for max and set password to max size. |
| 22:10.19 | Gnarfoz | password managers \o/ |
| 22:10.25 | xadin1 | which reminds me, I thought it was cool that ESO signup could use up to 64 char pw's |
| 22:10.40 | Gnarfoz | what's ESO? |
| 22:10.45 | xadin1 | elder scrolls online. |
| 22:11.15 | Gnarfoz | hmm |
| 22:13.43 | Gnarfoz | I kinda remember a game with a similar name from when I was like... 7 or so |
| 22:14.14 | xadin1 | never heard of elder scrolls? |
| 22:14.19 | Gnarfoz | but Wikipedia says the first Elder Scrolls was in 1994, that can't really be it, since I remember it already being "Game Name III" |
| 22:14.31 | xadin1 | morrowind I think was 3 |
| 22:14.37 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 22:14.53 | Gnarfoz | I was 7 22 years ago, so that can't be it :D |
| 22:15.00 | xadin1 | lol |
| 22:15.17 | xadin1 | I was 13 |
| 22:15.20 | xadin1 | 22 years ago |
| 22:15.38 | xadin1 | playing wastelands and master of orion |
| 22:15.41 | xadin1 | oh and duke nukem |
| 22:16.03 | Gnarfoz | and yeah, heard of it of course, just never played it, so it's not really at the front of my mind when considering what abbreviations could stand for :D |
| 22:16.08 | Gnarfoz | yay, dn3d |
| 22:16.30 | xadin1 | ahh, I assume all gamers have played morrowind/oblivion/skyrim XD |
| 22:16.49 | xadin1 | best single player rpg's out imo. |
| 22:16.51 | Gnarfoz | bold assumption ;-) |
| 22:17.07 | xadin1 | I do believe most gamers have played at least one. |
| 22:17.15 | xadin1 | PC gamers* |
| 22:17.19 | Gnarfoz | still, very bold ^^ |
| 22:17.19 | xadin1 | was even on xbox |
| 22:17.32 | xadin1 | I don't think that's bold. |
| 22:17.33 | Gnarfoz | way too many games (and gamers) out there for that to actually be likely |
| 22:17.45 | xadin1 | It's the most popular single player rbg on PC of all time. |
| 22:17.50 | xadin1 | bold? nah, look that up. |
| 22:17.59 | xadin1 | hah rpg |
| 22:18.05 | xadin1 | gd RBG's on my mind. |
| 22:18.35 | Gnarfoz | sure, but RPG's are certainly not the only genre available :D |
| 22:19.22 | Gnarfoz | I'm more interested in finding out what that game was called that I was thinking of :| |
| 22:19.31 | xadin1 | fallout? |
| 22:19.37 | xadin1 | baulders gate |
| 22:19.41 | xadin1 | planescape torment |
| 22:19.43 | xadin1 | icewind dale |
| 22:19.49 | xadin1 | neverwinter nights |
| 22:19.52 | xadin1 | uhh |
| 22:20.15 | xadin1 | ooh my fav old rbg is Arcanum: Of steamworks and magic obscura |
| 22:20.26 | xadin1 | wow |
| 22:20.29 | xadin1 | RBG again... |
| 22:20.39 | Gnarfoz | all of those are too new |
| 22:20.52 | xadin1 | fallout isn't |
| 22:20.55 | xadin1 | fallout 1 |
| 22:21.04 | Gnarfoz | I'm not actually sure I played it at all :D I just remember the floppy disk label |
| 22:21.20 | xadin1 | darklands? |
| 22:21.28 | Gnarfoz | darklans III? :D |
| 22:21.31 | xadin1 | that was rly old, maybe the first RPG sandbox game. |
| 22:21.43 | Gnarfoz | maybe I was just imagining it, too, who knows :} |
| 22:22.12 | xadin1 | ya arcanum only 14 yrs old |
| 22:22.15 | xadin1 | "only" |
| 22:22.18 | xadin1 | >.> |
| 22:22.28 | Gnarfoz | how the hell do I search for "which game series had at least 3 incarnations out around ~1992?" :D |
| 22:22.43 | xadin1 | darklands was 1992 |
| 22:24.29 | Gnarfoz | we had an PC XT at the time, so... hm. I dunno when we got the 486 :\ wish I had a better sorted memory |
| 22:27.24 | xadin1 | schedule a brain defrag |
| 22:27.30 | xadin1 | I need one too. |
| 22:33.45 | Gnarfoz | wheee! found it |
| 22:33.53 | Gnarfoz | it was Eye of the Beholder |
| 22:33.56 | Gnarfoz | III |
| 22:34.37 | Gnarfoz | at least that's what my brain has settled upon now. *closes all the other Wikipedia browser tabs* |
| 22:35.31 | xadin1 | lol |
| 22:35.38 | xadin1 | I remember it, I don't think I played it. |
| 22:36.14 | xadin1 | bards tale kinda game? |
| 22:36.41 | Gnarfoz | can't say http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_the_Beholder_(video_game) |
| 22:37.13 | xadin1 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I_1C0QUTjQ |
| 22:37.13 | narwhalbot | YouTube Eye of the Beholder - Gameplay |
| 22:37.36 | Gnarfoz | I think I might have never played it, I just have this image in my mind of that darn floppy labeled "somethingorother III", and as soon as I read "Eye of the Beholder" while browsing just now, there was this "ZOMG THAT'S IT" moment ^^ |
| 22:37.59 | xadin1 | yup, bards tale kinda game. |
| 22:38.09 | xadin1 | haha |
| 22:42.01 | narwhalbot | [Wowhead News] Now Hiring: Senior PHP Developer - http://www.wowhead.com/news=226670/now-hiring-senior-php-developer |
| 22:44.51 | fewyn | ^^^ |
| 22:49.33 | xadin1 | ok off work, thx again gnarfoz |
| 23:14.13 | fewyn | annnd another 90 |
| 23:14.15 | fewyn | is born |
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| 23:49.22 | fewyn | http://uplol.fewyn.net/World_of_Warcraft_2014-01-14_18-40-03.jpg almost have one of everything to 90 horde side |
| 23:54.33 | Eraclito | i'm leveling my second horde to 90 |
| 23:54.39 | Eraclito | 88 right now |
| 23:54.46 | Eraclito | then i have a third lv85 |
| 23:54.55 | Eraclito | ...then a lv14, then nothing |
| 23:55.24 | Eraclito | i'll wait WoD for other characters |
| 23:56.09 | Eraclito | (i created the three high level ones before Blizzcon, and the new one is a goblin) |
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