| 00:08.23 | Morril | o/ |
| 00:08.53 | Morril | Hows it? |
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| 00:11.53 | b4k4^^ | dozy, I suppose |
| 00:40.22 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/2013-11-03_02-40-04.png |
| 00:40.28 | kullervo | aand I'm on yet another ignore list |
| 00:42.12 | b4k4^^ | : |
| 00:42.21 | Morril | :/ |
| 00:46.40 | kullervo | btw, that's a guy without even a full clear flex telling a realm #4 guild player he's a noob |
| 00:46.49 | kullervo | Sha of Pride should be instawipe if I'm there |
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| 00:47.40 | Amarande | kullervo: people need to enjoy their ignore lists while they can, apparently :| |
| 00:48.02 | kullervo | Amarande: are they going away? |
| 00:48.05 | Amarande | since apparently ignore clog is becoming a major problem for increasingly many players |
| 00:48.10 | Amarande | kullervo: not explicitly |
| 00:48.24 | Amarande | however, there's a major bug atm, which seems to have existed for quite a while without much confidence of a fix being even "soon" |
| 00:48.43 | Amarande | where ignore list slots can become permanently locked, so that you can never delete that ignore (and since you only get a limited number ...) |
| 00:49.03 | Amarande | though ... I kinda do wonder if they'll fix it soon now that people are resorting to spam reports as a desperate last ditch measure |
| 00:49.33 | Amarande | apparently, it has to do with CRZ of all sorts, realm transfers, and even simple character deletion |
| 00:50.06 | Amarande | seems to be that if your realm is currently unable to "see" that character (they're cross-realm and not present in your zone/dungeon party, or have been transferred off realm or deleted) |
| 00:50.16 | Amarande | the ignore entry will appear as Unknown and you are unable to delete it, at all |
| 00:51.46 | Amarande | and since the ignore list has been used a lot more FOR cross-realm characters lately (since it's oft used by frequent LFD/LFR players to block folks who fail too hard from ending up in their groups again) |
| 00:52.07 | Amarande | there's been a lot of people lately finding their ignores to be full or there being only a few and now very precious slots left |
| 00:52.21 | Amarande | with no way to fix it because most of them are normally "Unknown" |
| 00:52.46 | Amarande | blues seem to not have anything to say for it either but "we're looking into it but you'll have to deal for the moment" |
| 00:53.40 | Amarande | like I said though I wonder if it'll get increasing priority now because people are now resorting to reporting players as spammers in order to get an extra temporary ignore, so they'll probably start getting an increasing flood of abuse of the spammer report feature |
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| 00:54.44 | kullervo | there also should be such a thing as "ignore account" |
| 00:55.01 | Amarande | yeah, that is one thing that is kind of lacking in WoW |
| 00:55.04 | b4k4^^ | yes |
| 00:55.12 | Amarande | despite a lot of stuff going account wide, an awful lot of stuff is still very much character specific |
| 00:55.25 | b4k4^^ | and I'd prefer the ignore lists to be account-wide, not per toon |
| 00:55.25 | Amarande | (as opposed to say, Guild Wars, where everything was based on accounts even if you only knew one of their toon names) |
| 00:55.46 | Amarande | kullervo: still wouldn't quite fix the problem at hand, though |
| 00:56.07 | Amarande | which is that people use the ignore list (which is an intended use, too) to block griefers and simply all around terrible players after a bad LFD |
| 00:56.45 | Amarande | and most of the time (due to the bug) those ignores are indelible because you'll never see the character again and thus there's a really high chance they never show as other than "unknown" in the future, if I'm understanding the bug reports right |
| 00:56.53 | Amarande | and you only get fifty ignore slots |
| 00:57.42 | Amarande | or if you have a social spat with some jackasses on *your* realm, say, and then they delete their toons or transfer off to troll some other realm, they've left you with indelible useless ignores :| |
| 00:58.16 | Jammer | awesome design on the ignore list |
| 00:58.18 | Amarande | I *think* it's got to be at least partially a bug (because *usually* when that happens you log on to see "ignore deleted because the character no longer exists") |
| 00:58.59 | Amarande | but exactly how it's been triggering is unclear, only that there is no currently available means of recovery if it happens and many people now have access to only a scant few usable ignore slots |
| 01:02.33 | Amarande | Jammer: yeah, the blue reaction is not encouraging either, wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be some giant snarl of a bug that takes ages to fix |
| 01:02.49 | Amarande | hopefully the ignore management code wasn't written by the WEG :) |
| 01:05.04 | b4k4^^ | goblins |
| 01:05.33 | kullervo | the Jeweled Onyx Panther has a about +10% size modifier |
| 01:06.11 | Amarande | kullervo: hah, just what Stormwind and Orgrimmar need |
| 01:06.28 | Amarande | and apparently people are now even taking to taking size-enhancing potions before hopping on their mount in front of the mailbox/AH heh |
| 01:14.51 | b4k4^^ | ... |
| 01:15.14 | b4k4^^ | "size-enhancing potions" sounds too much like spam -_- |
| 01:15.22 | kullervo | hahaha |
| 01:16.24 | Amarande | heh |
| 01:17.10 | Amarande | "Natural male enhancement, now with extra blindweed!" |
| 01:19.37 | b4k4^^ | something like that |
| 01:20.17 | Amarande | and now we watch the price of blindweed soar through the roof :) |
| 01:20.38 | Amarande | speaking of prices ... hmm I should see if the price of 16 slot bags has settled down to something reasonable tonight |
| 01:20.46 | Amarande | it was 75 effing gold for a single netherweave bag on illidan last night :| |
| 01:21.09 | b4k4^^ | wat o.O |
| 01:21.21 | Amarande | yeah, auctioneer says it's far into the red range |
| 01:21.21 | b4k4^^ | I've never seen those go for over 10g |
| 01:21.33 | Amarande | I think they've been going for 30 or so lately normally |
| 01:21.40 | Amarande | inflation is starting to set in, even on a huge market like illidan's |
| 01:21.56 | b4k4^^ | apparently |
| 01:22.24 | b4k4^^ | gems have been a bit spendy on Moonglade lately, or so I'm told |
| 01:23.32 | b4k4^^ | I'm the weirdo who goes occasionally to AH and buys all kyparite for prospecting |
| 01:26.04 | Amarande | heh that's about all kyparite is good for anyway isn't it? :) |
| 01:26.23 | Amarande | especially given how much of the damn stuff you need to actually craft anything |
| 01:26.49 | b4k4^^ | roughly, yeah |
| 01:27.06 | b4k4^^ | and the gem droprates are nice |
| 01:29.01 | Amarande | ... and the fact that actually GATHERING that much without a gear level well into the 500s is like pulling your own teeth without anesthetic |
| 01:29.20 | Amarande | since the nodes seem to just love to spawn around largish groups of mobs and/or those semi-elites that seem to be all over the place since mists |
| 01:29.55 | Amarande | it's like the titanium node of doom I had in Wrath, except half the nodes are like that! :) |
| 01:30.52 | b4k4^^ | well |
| 01:31.32 | b4k4^^ | I gathered a couple of stacks on my shammy while leveling back when MoP was launched |
| 01:31.41 | b4k4^^ | because engineer |
| 01:32.08 | b4k4^^ | wasn't particularly fun but not a huge pain |
| 01:33.00 | b4k4^^ | too bad my main is the jc/tailor so I can't just faceroll the mobs while mining |
| 01:33.20 | Amarande | this is why I always take the matching gathering profession with a crafting one |
| 01:33.36 | Amarande | although I guess especially on a serious business server like Illidan this means if I want JC, Eng, and BS eventually, I'm going to be rolling three tanks :) |
| 01:33.51 | b4k4^^ | I didn't have jc back then but did have a miner/bs |
| 01:34.05 | Amarande | because at least skinning and herbalism have SOME level of usefulness for everyone |
| 01:34.12 | Amarande | but mining is really only useful at all if you're a tank |
| 01:34.48 | Amarande | although I'm really not sure just how much 480 secondary stat points matter on balance at this point |
| 01:34.53 | b4k4^^ | tru dat, unless you want the extra xp =P |
| 01:35.02 | b4k4^^ | heh |
| 01:35.07 | b4k4^^ | "f*** all" |
| 01:35.40 | b4k4^^ | main *used* to be a herbalist/alchy |
| 01:35.57 | b4k4^^ | yay a bit of haste and longer flask duration in raids, bsaically |
| 01:36.00 | b4k4^^ | -typo |
| 01:36.22 | b4k4^^ | but at least I can make Vials :P |
| 01:36.44 | b4k4^^ | (that was a fun grind) |
| 01:38.15 | kullervo | Amarande: mining is the worst tanking profession too |
| 01:40.53 | b4k4^^ | seems that engineering is best for almost anything |
| 01:41.18 | b4k4^^ | as long as the stuff doesn't fail |
| 01:43.55 | kullervo | haha |
| 01:44.53 | b4k4^^ | at least one in our core worries about nitro boosters failing when Thok fixates |
| 01:45.57 | b4k4^^ | the glider occasionally failing might be non-nice too |
| 01:46.30 | b4k4^^ | naturally right after a transporter plops you high up in the air |
| 01:47.02 | kullervo | what, the glider can fail? |
| 01:47.04 | Amarande | heh, DO the "serious business" engineering items ever actually fail? |
| 01:47.06 | kullervo | I NEVER KNEW. |
| 01:47.13 | b4k4^^ | I hope not :P |
| 01:47.14 | Amarande | I thought that was more for the "fun" stuff like the ultrasafe transporters etc. |
| 01:47.44 | Amarande | oh, yay, netherweave bags are down to "only" 60 gold tonight |
| 01:47.45 | b4k4^^ | haven't experienced a fail and they actually last longer than the tooltip states |
| 01:47.45 | Amarande | *sigh* |
| 01:48.08 | b4k4^^ | had to try once, did a 2.5 minute glide |
| 01:48.57 | kullervo | there's an achievement in Firefall that you have to glide 5 kilometers. I can't remember doing it but apparently have. |
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| 02:06.17 | Amarande | kullervo: probably something along the lines of what happens when you get Ram Ewe'd off the cliff as a mage and use slow fall not to go splat :) |
| 02:06.32 | Amarande | and end up half way across the zone by the time you land |
| 02:07.44 | kullervo | yeah except the mechanics aren't in any way similar |
| 02:08.23 | kullervo | you see, Firefall gliders are ACTUAL gliders... Only that wind and updrafts aren't quite implemented yet |
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| 15:29.53 | Dennls | survival hunter; 528 tier helm + 561 tier gloves or 567 warforged helm and 561 tier gloves? |
| 15:30.04 | Dennls | so either 2set bonus or warforged helm |
| 15:51.10 | Morril | o/ |
| 15:55.46 | Morril | lug |
| 15:55.47 | Morril | lugburz: |
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| 16:06.47 | Morril | lugburz |
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| 18:21.41 | lugburz | Morril, what |
| 18:21.42 | lugburz | what you want |
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| 18:32.13 | Morril | lugburz!!! |
| 18:32.18 | lugburz | yeah |
| 18:32.19 | lugburz | whats up |
| 18:32.21 | lugburz | I was asleep dude |
| 18:32.22 | Morril | hi :3 |
| 18:32.23 | Morril | oh |
| 18:32.24 | Morril | sorry. |
| 18:32.32 | lugburz | lol its fine |
| 18:32.32 | Morril | wait. |
| 18:32.34 | lugburz | im awwake now |
| 18:32.37 | Morril | its like 1pm |
| 18:32.40 | Morril | why are you sleeping |
| 18:32.43 | lugburz | 10:32 here |
| 18:32.49 | lugburz | and cause I got really wasted last night |
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| 18:32.52 | lugburz | yeeeeeee |
| 18:33.01 | Morril | 11:32* |
| 18:33.08 | Morril | your clocks went ahead |
| 18:33.10 | lugburz | cops only came like 2 or 3 times to the party I was at |
| 18:33.16 | Morril | back* |
| 18:33.30 | Morril | so its like 9 |
| 18:33.44 | Morril | Why wasn't I invited? |
| 18:33.46 | lugburz | computer says 10:33 here |
| 18:33.51 | lugburz | I am on the west coast |
| 18:33.55 | lugburz | PST now I think |
| 19:07.21 | b4k4^^ | 21:07 |
| 19:07.31 | lugburz | sure... |
| 19:07.32 | lugburz | cool |
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| 19:07.49 | b4k4^^ | kinda chilly, also rainy :P |
| 19:08.00 | lugburz | heh its sunny here |
| 19:08.06 | lugburz | its a shockingly nice day |
| 19:08.11 | lugburz | as well as a great day to not be hungover |
| 19:08.11 | lugburz | :3 |
| 19:08.13 | b4k4^^ | and woke up an hour ago, neatly missing our guild raid >_< |
| 19:08.19 | TarraX | list |
| 19:10.18 | lugburz | nice dude |
| 19:10.20 | lugburz | that sucks |
| 19:21.27 | Amarande | nice shinshiny day out here |
| 19:21.30 | Amarande | sunshiny |
| 19:21.39 | Amarande | and apparently I'm level 18 already :| |
| 19:21.52 | Amarande | I really need to make sure I have time to go from 10-20 quickly on new characters, otherwise you tend to get issues |
| 19:22.17 | JunkHead | I made a new character on my starter account. |
| 19:22.42 | JunkHead | But man... I really dislike the Pandaren starter area. |
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| 19:23.01 | Amarande | JunkHead: yeah, I started a panda once |
| 19:23.11 | Amarande | it made me really feel for the poor kids who must have tried starting the game with one |
| 19:23.24 | Amarande | which is probably quite a lot of people since they were pushing the pandas as the big thing this expansion ... |
| 19:23.27 | JunkHead | It seems like it takes forever. |
| 19:23.39 | JunkHead | I got to lvl 6, and I swear it took me 3 damn hours. |
| 19:23.40 | Amarande | even for a pretty experienced player like me, the panda starting area felt palpably harder than most |
| 19:23.47 | Amarande | I can only imagine what it must be like for someone who's never played before |
| 19:23.48 | JunkHead | (it didn't of course, bu it felt like it) |
| 19:24.25 | Amarande | although I'm not sure it's really the hardest, Tirisfal always seems about the same |
| 19:24.31 | Amarande | although Tirisfal is mostly because of a few specific quests, really :S |
| 19:24.41 | JunkHead | Elwynn is still the best. |
| 19:25.22 | Amarande | Basically the trouble with Tirisfal is that early on (especially the bit with the farm and the pumpkins) it's way too easy to grab multiple mobs |
| 19:25.32 | Amarande | at a level where your character is in no reasonable situation whatever to take on such |
| 19:25.53 | Amarande | actually yeah panda is probably the top difficulty then when one really thinks of it |
| 19:26.08 | Amarande | since you can twink/loom low level undead from the first mailbox, but you can't send anything to a panda till you get out of the starting zone |
| 19:27.53 | JunkHead | I'm just being super lazy and don't feel like capping my characters on VP. |
| 19:27.58 | JunkHead | Although i need to. |
| 19:28.06 | JunkHead | Especially my hunter. |
| 19:28.32 | b4k4^^ | I probably should cap my monk |
| 19:28.48 | JunkHead | I'm on the legendary cloak quest where you need 3000 vp.:\ |
| 19:28.59 | b4k4^^ | gz |
| 19:29.07 | b4k4^^ | was moar funnerer when it was 6k |
| 19:29.25 | JunkHead | Yeah I did it already on my warrior. |
| 19:29.53 | JunkHead | Just since 5.3 or so I never had a real "second" character. I played multiple. |
| 19:30.01 | JunkHead | Since 5.4 though I've stuck to warrior and hunter. |
| 19:30.08 | JunkHead | So now I gotta play catch-up.:( |
| 19:33.23 | Amarande | *sigh* |
| 19:33.25 | Amarande | intellect leather |
| 19:34.05 | lugburz | going back to the panda starting zone |
| 19:34.10 | lugburz | it seemed super duper easy |
| 19:34.23 | JunkHead | Oh it is. |
| 19:34.26 | lugburz | I played a panda at the convincing of my friend like some months ago |
| 19:34.31 | JunkHead | It just seems slow as hell. an boring. |
| 19:34.37 | lugburz | like, I could have been half asleep at least |
| 19:34.43 | lugburz | yeah |
| 19:34.48 | lugburz | there was a decent amount of travel |
| 19:35.00 | JunkHead | I leveled my monk up to lvl 40 or so then did a race change. |
| 19:35.11 | JunkHead | Now I'm trying a Pandaren Hunter. |
| 19:35.37 | Amarande | Orc Monk, at the moment |
| 19:37.58 | JunkHead | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd3nDfRy-bE |
| 19:37.59 | narwhalbot | YouTube Biz Markie - Pancakes And Syrup |
| 19:38.06 | JunkHead | In case anyone needs any cheering up. |
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| 19:39.17 | lugburz | nah dude |
| 19:39.21 | lugburz | its a great day today |
| 19:39.30 | JunkHead | Then listen to that song. |
| 19:39.35 | JunkHead | And it will be the best day ever. |
| 19:43.25 | lugburz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mdQgvGrhwU |
| 19:43.26 | narwhalbot | YouTube Kids Song - JUICE BOX - funny children's music rap cartoon by Preschool Popstars |
| 19:43.29 | lugburz | this song is really good too |
| 19:44.04 | lugburz | lol this song is awesome |
| 19:44.05 | lugburz | nice |
| 19:44.59 | JunkHead | the video makes the song better. |
| 19:55.58 | fewyn | doing lfr on sundays is just horrible, i keep getting stuck in stalled groups |
| 19:57.55 | Amarande | heh, it also occurs to me that there is some truth to some of these gold ads |
| 19:58.00 | Amarande | mostly the ones that will promise to save you money |
| 19:58.13 | Amarande | yes, buying gold will save you a lot of money in the long run ... about $15 a month, actually, when you think about it :) |
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| 20:33.00 | Dennls | 2/2/6 or 2/3/5 for garrosh 10n? |
| 20:33.05 | Dennls | most of us are between 550 and 560 |
| 20:36.29 | kinseysix | so i feel like it's worth it to have the extra dps |
| 20:36.54 | kinseysix | but maybe it's just me being an overconfident healer |
| 20:41.46 | Amarande | try 2/2/6, if people die too much, switch |
| 20:42.03 | Amarande | you do have healer/DPS dual specced people right? :) |
| 20:42.45 | Dennls | nop but most of us have a good geared alt |
| 20:45.33 | Dennls | our 553 MW has a 552 DK he can switch to |
| 20:47.01 | kinseysix | yeah, i mean, i do disc/shadow and generally switch to shadow on the fights that are easier on the heals |
| 20:47.27 | Amarande | heh, disc/shadow ... might as well stick with 2/3/5 then :P |
| 20:47.32 | Amarande | given how badly shadow is doing of late :( |
| 20:48.02 | kinseysix | aw, i guess, this is my first time doing it in endgame stuff so i don't have experience otherwise |
| 20:48.07 | kinseysix | in wotlk i was just disc/disc pvp |
| 20:49.44 | kinseysix | so i don't even know how badly it's doing without a frame of referecne |
| 20:49.47 | kinseysix | reference, even |
| 20:51.21 | Amarande | well ... early on, shadow holds its own just fine |
| 20:51.30 | Amarande | mop has been really ... out-there with the effects of scaling, though |
| 20:51.52 | Amarande | so eventually most of the other specs improve so much by comparison due to better scaling, that shadow gets left in the dust (along with a few other specs) |
| 20:52.06 | kinseysix | how so? (i'm still relatively new coming back) |
| 20:52.13 | Amarande | for Shadow, the main issue seems to be what it scales with |
| 20:52.28 | Amarande | most specs will scale better with a given stat balance than with others |
| 20:52.46 | Amarande | with shadow, though, the stat balance that always scaled best was pure haste ... only that started to break down even at T15 |
| 20:53.02 | Amarande | because mind flay hits GCD and now the whole rotation basically stutters |
| 20:53.26 | JunkHead | we still need to recruit 1 person |
| 20:53.28 | Amarande | like, you used to be always casting something (unless you'd just cast an instant cast spell on the GCD, of course), like most casters |
| 20:53.37 | JunkHead | whats better right now? cat or boomkin? |
| 20:53.58 | Amarande | now you spend quite a lot of time waiting on GCD, while most other specs are still smooth operators, so your DPS suffers by comparison |
| 20:54.32 | Amarande | and then it gets a double whammy (because if you're hastecapped then you're also not benefiting from lust, either, like your teammates are) |
| 20:54.36 | kinseysix | yeah, i still have a haste build |
| 20:55.36 | Amarande | I'm not sure what's been the reason for doldrums on the other builds that have been slipping of late, though |
| 20:55.42 | Amarande | most of them seem to be physical builds (arms warriors, DPS DKs) |
| 20:56.24 | Dennls | 2/2/6 seems to be the way to go |
| 20:56.34 | Amarande | but yeah, it's kind of to be expected that scaling would go out of balance when you go through a hundred item levels at the same character level |
| 20:57.02 | kinseysix | right, even my disc build is coming close to the haste cap and that's not even intentional |
| 20:57.24 | Amarande | it's probably why SW:TOR doesn't suffer from the same very much ... the difference between entry level and top gear is very small, especially compared to WoW |
| 20:57.42 | Amarande | (just nine item levels from "basic" level 55 gear to top flight nightmare ops gear, in fact) |
| 20:57.43 | kinseysix | i really hope they go through with the item squish |
| 20:58.59 | kinseysix | on top of the whole scaling gone crazy, when i see 3500 stamina on an item my eyes start to glaze over |
| 20:59.10 | JunkHead | looks to me like balance is doing better than cat at this time |
| 20:59.24 | Amarande | also an item squish might allow them to address the heavy glitching in some of the older raids, too |
| 20:59.33 | Amarande | like people do achievement runs of Kael'thas and you know what the hard thing about it is? |
| 20:59.39 | Amarande | no it's not doing enough damage or staying alive :P |
| 20:59.52 | Amarande | it's trying to do LITTLE enough damage that you don't bug out the scripting |
| 21:00.06 | kinseysix | i solo sunwell a lot to get some transmog gear |
| 21:00.20 | kinseysix | and they JUST fixed the bug where you kill sathrovarr so quickly he doesn't drop loot |
| 21:00.30 | kinseysix | which happened to me four or five times in a row |
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| 21:00.39 | Amarande | with Kael it's quite a bit more dire |
| 21:00.57 | kinseysix | sure, because it's a bc heroic |
| 21:01.01 | Amarande | if you dps too quickly before the last phase, eventually you end up in the room, in combat, with a giant ghostly untargetable Kael |
| 21:01.03 | Amarande | and that's that |
| 21:01.03 | kinseysix | unless you're talking about the eye |
| 21:01.10 | Amarande | I'm talking about the 25-man |
| 21:01.11 | kinseysix | either way both are like that |
| 21:01.24 | Amarande | I've only had him bug out *once ever* in MgT |
| 21:01.57 | Amarande | (and apparently even if he does, it's easy to fix ... when he bugs out he just stands there and spams a basic nuke, and the one time it happened, he died the moment I interrupted one of his casts) |
| 21:03.13 | kinseysix | my buddy one shot him with a crit the last time i was in MT and he just died and was unlootable |
| 21:06.37 | Dennls | our blood DK is outhealing every healer lol |
| 21:08.23 | kinseysix | blood is so over the top, i'm levelling one right now |
| 21:09.03 | kinseysix | she's at 77, as i was levelling from 70 upwards she became an unkillable machine |
| 21:10.36 | kinseysix | once i turn conversion on, i can just blood boil/death strike ad infinitum |
| 21:10.58 | kinseysix | it's unreal |
| 21:14.40 | Amarande | and prior to raid glitches, the only problems I'd seen with getting too powerful at high levels compared to the content was with certain quest types |
| 21:14.49 | Amarande | the "beat them down to a certain level & use item" types basically |
| 21:15.09 | Amarande | they'll probably need to do a stat compression soon ... otherwise we're going to get to the point where you *can't* go back for loremaster on high level characters |
| 21:15.22 | Amarande | at least not without highly artificial methods like cliff-jumping so as to pick up rez sickness |
| 21:15.38 | Amarande | (which at the rate stats are increasing probably will only delay the day of reckoning by one expansion or so. :P) |
| 21:16.10 | kinseysix | they've already said their servers probably can't take another expansion of the same exponential quality |
| 21:16.47 | kinseysix | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/3885585 |
| 21:18.27 | Amarande | heh, also blizz needs to rethink that little desire of theirs: |
| 21:18.28 | Amarande | "We dont want level-85 players to have a reasonable shot at level-90 dungeons and raids (or PvP opponents)" |
| 21:18.41 | Amarande | and yet ... level 85 players are green to level 90 PvP opponents |
| 21:19.02 | Amarande | are they actually *trying* to give top level players on PvP servers a steady supply of easy ganks that actually give honour? |
| 21:19.10 | Amarande | (with ten level expansions that wasn't an issue since you'd be grey) |
| 21:19.30 | kinseysix | wotlk trash mobs in raids give "experience" at level cap today |
| 21:19.37 | kinseysix | because level 82 still gives experiences |
| 21:19.44 | kinseysix | to a level 90, that is |
| 21:20.03 | Amarande | yeah, Uldum is probably a really sweet place to go as a level 90 if you want fast honour and don't mind being labeled as the biggest douche on the planet :) |
| 21:21.02 | kinseysix | oh god |
| 21:21.15 | Amarande | yeah, I'm really not looking forward to that level range on this character |
| 21:21.18 | Amarande | since I'm ON a pvp server |
| 21:21.19 | kinseysix | right now, i frequent the habitually empty tol barad for my free 500 honour points |
| 21:21.24 | Amarande | and now that we have CRZ ... |
| 21:21.39 | Amarande | before CRZ, most likely I wouldn't even have to worry at all, heh |
| 21:22.18 | Amarande | since Alliance on Illidan are rarer than people who think Charles Manson is a saint, say :P |
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| 21:26.16 | kinseysix | i also think it might be nice to have extra difficulties for old content |
| 21:27.09 | kinseysix | retuning old dungeons and raids would be a nice alternative, especially in the event of an item squish |
| 21:28.56 | kinseysix | so let's say, if mop ilevels go from 600 -> 200 or so, and all of a sudden stuff that isn't soloable anymore will have reasons to be revisited |
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| 21:31.57 | kullervo | Amarande: stop being such a whiner |
| 21:32.08 | kullervo | I've leveled all my toons on a pvp server and loved every moment of it |
| 21:32.48 | kullervo | except when DKs were introduced at the same time I was lvl 58. That sucked until I found out they have no way to break out of snares. |
| 21:37.04 | Amarande | kullervo: this is my first serious attempt at leveling on a pvp server |
| 21:37.14 | Amarande | so I'm actually not at all sure what it is like with the ganking and such yet |
| 21:37.16 | Amarande | just dinged 20 |
| 21:37.38 | Amarande | based on wandering outside the sanctuaried bit of darkmoon isle it looks like lower levels are mostly ignored by top levels |
| 21:37.44 | Amarande | (although I'm sure I'll run into the occasional d-bag) |
| 21:38.08 | Amarande | however, I'm not at all sure if that will continue to hold once one's in the 80s and thus are still an easy gank for 90s, but also worth honour as well |
| 21:38.59 | Jammer | can 10m normal garrosh actually drop more than 1 heirloom? |
| 21:39.23 | Jammer | every week seen just 1 drop but gm saying it's per character chance |
| 21:40.22 | kd3 | if it's your character's first time killing him, you're guaranteed to get one, irrespective of any other drops |
| 21:40.35 | kd3 | heirlooms are personal loot, so it doesn't matter what the rest of the raid gets |
| 21:41.40 | Dennls | are you 100% sure you get a heirloom on your firts kill? |
| 21:41.49 | kullervo | Amarande: just make sure to join no guilds if you want to remain safe. Someone (or their whole guild) might have a guild on their KoS list, and not even lowbie alts are spared |
| 21:41.53 | Dennls | I thought it was only guarenteed that the heirloom (if you get one) is boudn to your current loot spec |
| 21:42.00 | kd3 | maybe not. you're guaranteed to get something for your class/spec the first time, though |
| 21:42.31 | kullervo | Dennls: in my guild raids, one person out of the whole raid got a heirloom on like all but one kills |
| 21:42.55 | Dennls | lucky |
| 21:44.11 | Amarande | kd3: I'm still wondering if Garrosh is going to remain tres popular even well into 6.x now :) |
| 21:44.26 | Amarande | between two reasons, one psychological and one practical |
| 21:44.45 | Amarande | the psychological thing being "YAY WE GET TO FINALLY KICK GARROSH'S UGLY ARSE AFTER SO LONG" |
| 21:44.53 | Amarande | the practical one being that people will want to collect more looms |
| 21:45.00 | Amarande | (we're not getting 90-95 loom weapons normally, are we?) |
| 21:47.42 | Amarande | hopefully, since I get this sneaky feeling I won't be seeing Garrosh this expansion heh |
| 21:47.55 | Amarande | at least unless blizz does their usual and it's a year between now and next xpack :) |
| 21:49.27 | Amarande | I mean let's see, my only 90 is still ilvl 477 and hasn't even completed the first set of token gathering for the legendary chain |
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| 21:49.57 | Amarande | and given that even now the most basic of non-LFR SoO groups already expect 540+ at the least, and often the leg cloak as well |
| 21:50.09 | b4k4^^ | :P |
| 21:50.33 | Amarande | hm. do you get the looms from LFR or only from flex/normal/heroic? |
| 21:51.03 | b4k4^^ | you don't get them from LFR |
| 21:51.16 | b4k4^^ | at least I don't recall seeing them in loot tables |
| 21:52.39 | Dennls | http://i.imgur.com/qg4zWmd.jpg |
| 21:53.38 | kinseysix | just normal/heroic, i seem to remember |
| 21:54.18 | b4k4^^ | they drop on flex too |
| 21:54.23 | b4k4^^ | just checked |
| 21:55.01 | b4k4^^ | Dennls: that's not even remotely credible :P |
| 21:55.01 | Amarande | yeah, though flex seems almost a non-mode atm |
| 21:55.12 | Amarande | as in, on the one hand it's extremely popular |
| 21:55.38 | Amarande | but despite its "social" appearance, LFM requests in /2 basically indicate you pretty much have to do SoO on normal or heroic before you're going to meet what people are asking for for flex groups :S |
| 21:56.07 | Amarande | so it doesn't really meet its intended purpose in terms of the difficulty ladder, at least |
| 21:56.17 | kinseysix | i dunno, most i've seen require 525-535, it's not difficult to get there with timeless isle + some LFR + valour upgrades |
| 21:59.29 | kullervo | people seem to ask for 540 gear |
| 22:00.01 | kullervo | which is silly because having that much would mean completely outgearing the instance |
| 22:00.20 | Amarande | it's like the late days of Wrath ... it took me like *months* at 80 on my DK before I managed to find a group that was non-elitist enough about gearscore to take me |
| 22:00.35 | Amarande | and they were glad to have me, we went 10/12H in the end in ICC10 |
| 22:00.36 | kullervo | must've been an awful server |
| 22:00.46 | Amarande | (and would have probably polished off 12/12, but 4.0.1 came along too soon) |
| 22:00.51 | kullervo | I remember on mine they were like "omg this tank doesn't have 40k hp" |
| 22:01.36 | kullervo | and I'd link them some heroic kill just to shut them up for long enough for them to see I'm actually taking in *zero* damage due to playing with a block set |
| 22:03.05 | kinseysix | the stamina situation at the end of LK was just silly |
| 22:03.24 | Amarande | mind you, blizz games have always had schizo qualifications to some degree lately it seems |
| 22:03.26 | Amarande | like D3 |
| 22:03.28 | kullervo | yeah I quit soon after ICC was released because all my old sets became meaningless |
| 22:03.35 | kullervo | it was just EH all the way boring as fuck |
| 22:03.43 | Amarande | if you join a public game at the beginning of a difficulty, even if you're steamrolling it |
| 22:03.59 | Amarande | should you EVER leave in the middle, you will have several levels grinding ahead of you because you're suddenly too low level for the content :P |
| 22:30.17 | Amarande | dammit! |
| 22:30.24 | Amarande | when did you start needing briarthorn to make lesser healing potions |
| 22:30.32 | Amarande | used to be it was just a minor healing pot and another vial, if I remember right :( |
| 22:56.19 | kullervo | hahha 545 ilvl required for flex |
| 22:56.26 | kullervo | what the fuck |
| 22:59.56 | kinseysix | ??? |
| 23:00.07 | kinseysix | i think someone forgot the ilevel of the drops |
| 23:03.14 | Amarande | kinseysix, sadly this seems to be BAU for many a PUG leader |
| 23:03.30 | Amarande | back in the ICC days, people basically wanted 25H gear for 10N |
| 23:04.30 | b4k4^^ | derp |
| 23:05.05 | b4k4^^ | is tired and farming Attumen :P |
| 23:08.38 | Eraclito | Amarande, back in TBC people asked T5 for Karazhan |
| 23:09.08 | Eraclito | "/w achiev and ilvl9000+ OR NO REPLY" |
| 23:09.43 | Amarande | Eraclito: never mind that, they wanted T5 for HEROICS |
| 23:09.54 | Amarande | you actually had an easier time getting into Kara with given gear than heroics heh |
| 23:11.02 | Eraclito | also "LF3 DPS, 2 MAGE 1 HUNTER GOOD WITH TRAPS" |
| 23:11.37 | Eraclito | i played as a mage and i hated pugging. a friend of mine played warrior and hated being left out |
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| 23:26.16 | kullervo | b4k4^^: I'll never farm Attumen again! |
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| 23:53.31 | Amarande | kullervo, did you finally get the mount? |
| 23:55.46 | kullervo | Amarande: many weeks ago |
| 23:56.09 | kullervo | I have both horsemen's mounts, actually |
