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| 03:33.42 | Eraclito | hey, hearthstone is pretty fun |
| 03:34.02 | Eraclito | i'm not sure i missed the card-games randomness |
| 03:34.25 | Eraclito | but i loved unlocking the 9 heroes |
| 03:37.00 | Eraclito | i also loved defeating thrall with a frog http://imgur.com/99EkNlp |
| 03:49.05 | b4k4^^ | frog for warchief |
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| 04:29.38 | b4k4^^ | oog |
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| 04:30.06 | b4k4^^ | ttfn |
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| 08:36.32 | Ward | with the new launcher, you don´t see a server status update on the login page anymore |
| 08:36.38 | Ward | where can I see that status now? |
| 09:05.09 | b4k4^^ | well |
| 09:05.19 | b4k4^^ | I do know EU servers aren't up :P |
| 09:05.33 | b4k4^^ | the realm status page isn't either |
| 09:07.48 | b4k4^^ | omg, status page is now up |
| 09:20.16 | Ward | current status says back at 11:00 |
| 09:20.18 | Ward | it is now 11:20 :p |
| 09:23.21 | Amarande | Ward, you risked installing the new launcher? |
| 09:23.33 | Amarande | I hope you have a good one-time password generator ROFL |
| 09:25.07 | Amarande | from what I'm reading, atm the new launcher has a habit of tripping the "Help! I'm being hacked!" flag and making you change your password like underwear :| |
| 09:25.29 | Amarande | sometimes, make that more like how often a BABY changes underwear, heh |
| 09:27.28 | Ward | been using the new launcher for a while now |
| 09:27.31 | Ward | never had an issue |
| 09:27.45 | Amarande | I still haven't tried the new launcher. After having had to just change my password yesterday because, oh, gods forbid I tried to log in via the mobile app!, and while reading about lockouts read about that habit of the new launcher, I'm not too keen on it LOL |
| 09:28.09 | Amarande | which, actually, is something kind of schizo about Blizzard policy heh |
| 09:28.39 | Amarande | on the one hand it's stated in many a thread that cellular connections aren't supported, apparently because the anti-hack systems have trouble getting a fix on your location to see if it fits your "pattern" |
| 09:28.47 | Amarande | on the other hand, they have a ... mobile account app |
| 09:28.52 | Ward | I usr the mobile app all the time |
| 09:28.56 | Ward | never had to change my password |
| 09:29.03 | Amarande | what do they really think we DO with the mobile app? only use it to log on when we're sick in bed to tell guild that we can't get on the computer tonight? heh |
| 09:29.20 | Amarande | apparently logging on the mobile app while on break at work yesterday was considered an "access pattern change" *wallbang* |
| 09:29.23 | Ward | when i´m sick I play more wow |
| 09:29.40 | Amarande | glad D3 made me sign up for sms protect, I'm not even sure what my damn secret question IS anymore heh |
| 09:30.04 | Ward | I´ve played wow from shanghai, from kuala lumpup, from california |
| 09:30.10 | Ward | it has never triggered a pattern break |
| 09:30.14 | fewyn | it shows up on the new launcher ward |
| 09:30.17 | fewyn | like in it |
| 09:30.23 | fewyn | or you can do this |
| 09:30.27 | fewyn | ~wowalert |
| 09:30.28 | infobot | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 09:30.43 | Ward | ah thanks fewyn |
| 09:30.44 | Amarande | Seems like there's a huge rash of complaints about the account lockout, too. Blizz should take that to note. :| |
| 09:30.48 | Ward | the new launcher didn´t show it either |
| 09:31.22 | Amarande | I guess their idea must be that if you're really a serious hardcore WoW player, you probably play on a server where you're used to having to wait to log on anyway, so how much of an inconvenience can it be to be told at randomish to change your password :P |
| 09:31.47 | fewyn | it was showing for me during the wow maint yesterday in na |
| 09:31.48 | Amarande | seeing that the "good" players seem to insist that the best place to be is a packed-to-queued super high pop server :S |
| 09:32.09 | Amarande | e.g., Illidan, Tich, Stormrage |
| 09:32.15 | Ward | I play on Outland EU |
| 09:32.18 | Ward | always queues |
| 09:32.20 | Ward | I don´t mind |
| 09:32.34 | Ward | there´s 2 kinds of realms, high pop realms and dying realms |
| 09:32.40 | Ward | playing on a dying realm sucks |
| 09:32.46 | Amarande | I guess the biggest complaints are people who haven't got SMS Protect and lied on their secret question |
| 09:32.53 | Amarande | but really, lots of people lie on their secret question |
| 09:32.55 | Ward | I have sms protect |
| 09:32.59 | Ward | and a mobile authenticator |
| 09:33.10 | Amarande | otherwise eventually you get to the point where socialisation becomes increasingly difficult without risking your identity :P |
| 09:33.37 | Amarande | 30 years ago, casual acquaintances might talk about pets and their history of pets, say |
| 09:33.39 | Ward | I hate when the secret question options are extremely limited |
| 09:33.41 | fewyn | i reguarly login to malganis us and never see queues |
| 09:33.48 | Amarande | today? oh sorry, that's usually a VITAL IDENTITY VERIFIER, often for your BANK |
| 09:33.56 | Amarande | can't talk about it, have to treat it like NSA secrets! heh |
| 09:34.08 | fewyn | i haven't seen a queue on any realm except during expansion launches since like |
| 09:34.13 | fewyn | wotlk |
| 09:34.22 | Amarande | heh that's actually another thing people kvetch about regarding WoW account lockouts |
| 09:34.35 | Amarande | apparently, Blizz can be more fascist about protecting accounts than most *banks* are :p |
| 09:34.39 | Amarande | which doesn't seem like it really makes sense :) |
| 09:34.44 | Ward | I usually go for obscure factoids in the secret questions |
| 09:34.52 | Ward | what city was your grandfather born in |
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| 09:35.00 | Amarande | I mean, you don't really have money in your blizz account, generally :) unless you play D3 a lot let's see ... oh, I have a whole 14 cents US on my battle.net balance ROFL |
| 09:35.39 | Ward | I keep my blizz account super secure just because I have like 10,000 manhours of achievements in there :p |
| 09:35.41 | b4k4^^ | my access pattern change would be "less than 10 hours a week" |
| 09:36.01 | b4k4^^ | or maybe "less than 30" =P |
| 09:36.23 | Ward | whenever i log in from a new IP or new machine, the game asks for auth code |
| 09:36.28 | Ward | but it has never blocked me |
| 09:36.51 | Ward | I travel a lot so I play a lot over open wifis all over the place |
| 09:36.59 | b4k4^^ | mine asks whenever even with what seems to be a "dynamic" IP that never really changes |
| 09:37.36 | Amarande | But apparently, from what I'm reading, I'm glad I've never got hacked, because apparently you get your blizz account hacked and you may have just condemned women to be violated grievously ... and sadly, I may be only slightly exaggerating at most there :| |
| 09:37.39 | Ward | on my home PC I have to fill in the code like once a week |
| 09:38.01 | Amarande | (mainly because of the fact that hacked B.net account trade is known to fund certain organised crime groups for which white slavery is, sadly, part of their overall MO) |
| 09:38.05 | b4k4^^ | hack my account and you may cause worgen sideboob |
| 09:38.17 | b4k4^^ | because mog gear |
| 09:38.21 | Amarande | like the Russian Mafiya and the Triads, for instance |
| 09:38.46 | Amarande | apparently the Russian mob in particular gets a ton of money off b.net accounts :| |
| 09:39.12 | Amarande | more than bank accounts even ... has to do with the relative significance of each to cops, doubtless |
| 09:39.28 | Amarande | they hack a bank account and the cops are gonna be on them like a swarm of yellow jackets in October |
| 09:39.47 | Ward | how do they profit from hacked accounts? |
| 09:39.47 | Amarande | b.net though? as far as people other than us gamers and them sellers are concerned, it's just a game :p |
| 09:39.55 | Amarande | Ward: account/gold selling, in the main |
| 09:40.06 | Ward | people still fall for that scam? |
| 09:40.27 | Amarande | last time I played D3, you couldn't go ten minutes without getting three ads for gold :P |
| 09:40.55 | Amarande | actually I wonder if that's another reason for the often overheightened seeming security B.net has had lately |
| 09:41.03 | b4k4^^ | I've seen more stupid phishing attempts than gold sellers lately |
| 09:41.16 | Amarande | I have often wondered if the D3 RMAH has caused Blizzard to be considered a Money Services business per USA PATRIOT etc. |
| 09:41.23 | Amarande | like Western Union, Paypal etc. are considered |
| 09:41.40 | b4k4^^ | next step, Blizz credit cards |
| 09:41.46 | Amarande | b4k4: there's already a WoW credit card |
| 09:41.50 | Ward | Paypal has the worst security ever |
| 09:41.56 | b4k4^^ | ow? |
| 09:42.06 | Amarande | I keep thinking of signing up for it, at some point when I don't have as much debt already on my CCs :P |
| 09:42.17 | Ward | the WoW creditcard is just a VISA product |
| 09:42.24 | Amarande | Ward: heh yeah I've heard sometimes paypal security means "we'll keep your money perfectly secure ... not even you can have it" |
| 09:42.24 | Ward | with wow licensing |
| 09:42.30 | Amarande | especially when people try to run Kickstarters, apparently :P |
| 09:42.59 | Ward | the worst thing about paypal is that buyers can cancel payments up to 90 days after a purchase |
| 09:43.03 | Ward | without reason or follow up |
| 09:43.28 | b4k4^^ | I'll take a nap and try to figure what I want to do first |
| 09:43.31 | Amarande | yeah apparently ebay/paypal think it's better for sellers to get scammed than buyers :P |
| 09:43.43 | Ward | when I sell stuff on ebay and people want to pay with paypal, I have to use a non premium paypal account and move the money out of it to a real bank before sending the item |
| 09:43.53 | Ward | only way to ensure you get the money |
| 09:44.03 | Amarande | Ward: apparently they can snarf the money back out of your bank account, too |
| 09:44.10 | Ward | not on my dutch bank |
| 09:44.13 | Amarande | people have been known to miss rent because they tried selling something on ebay :| |
| 09:44.26 | Amarande | at least here in the USA where the bleeding heart Democrats are always OMG WE MUST PROTECT THE CONSUMER AT ALL COSTS |
| 09:44.31 | Ward | I transfer the money into my SNS account |
| 09:44.35 | Ward | they can´t reverse that |
| 09:45.08 | Amarande | heh. there's a reason why when you get older you tend to lean more Republican, even if you have a fairly liberal worldview and don't agree with the Tea Party or anti-abortion zealots :P |
| 09:45.21 | Ward | when someone tries to reverse charges on me on my non premium account, I get an email from paypal saying my balance was unsufficient and the payment can´t be cancelled |
| 09:45.31 | Ward | then they open an incident report that never gets resolved |
| 09:45.33 | Amarande | (personally I try to vote libertarian but of course they never win *sigh*) |
| 09:45.37 | Ward | have like 5 of those sitting on the account |
| 09:45.44 | Ward | paypal stops caring when they need to put in mahours |
| 09:45.58 | Ward | manhours |
| 09:46.13 | Amarande | sooo ... WoWish stuff |
| 09:46.26 | Amarande | if I liked pally tanking and hated DK tanking, and have never really tried warrior much |
| 09:46.31 | Ward | I have 2 paypal accounts, one premium for buying stuff, so I have full buyer protection and can quickly add funds |
| 09:46.36 | Amarande | will I like monk tanking or had I better stick to windwalker? |
| 09:46.44 | Ward | and the non premium one for selling stuff, which can´t go into negative balance |
| 09:46.49 | Ward | monk tanking is boring |
| 09:46.59 | Ward | throw a barrel, 2 aoe abilities |
| 09:47.00 | Ward | snooze |
| 09:47.08 | Amarande | I'm guessing barrel/aoe's are reticle based |
| 09:47.12 | Ward | yeah |
| 09:47.15 | Amarande | bleh |
| 09:47.17 | Amarande | better stick to WW then |
| 09:47.21 | Amarande | that was what I hated about DK tanking |
| 09:47.26 | Ward | also if you´re tanking with a slacker healer, you´ll die a lot |
| 09:47.35 | Ward | because the dmg stagger makes you take dmg after combat ends |
| 09:47.37 | Amarande | having to stop to put down reticles just ruins the flow |
| 09:47.44 | Ward | so while your healer lags behind you sit there dying |
| 09:47.56 | Amarande | I remember seeing this one glyph for pally |
| 09:48.05 | Amarande | that turns consecrate from point-blank AoE into a reticle drop |
| 09:48.14 | Amarande | and I'm like WHY THE FUCK WOULD ANYONE WANT TO USE THAT GLYPH, ARE YOU INSANE |
| 09:48.15 | Amarande | heh |
| 09:48.17 | Ward | my favourite tank class is warrior, zerg around, stun, massive threat |
| 09:48.38 | Ward | not a single recticle ability :p |
| 09:48.48 | Amarande | keyboard is for rotation, mouse is for movement flow |
| 09:48.56 | Ward | yeah |
| 09:49.01 | Amarande | reticles = sad panda (or sad draenei/blood elf) mode :P |
| 09:49.11 | Ward | if I gotta drop a reticle I gotta stop moving basically |
| 09:49.18 | Ward | or just move in a straight line |
| 09:49.32 | Amarande | I'm not even sure you can drop reticles in good flow with one of them fancy gaming mice, either |
| 09:49.44 | Amarande | you'd probably have to dual wield mice, if such a thing is even possible |
| 09:49.56 | Ward | if you have to use a reticle it´s good to have it bound close to the movement keys |
| 09:50.03 | Amarande | sure, just a moment, lemme go find some uranium to drink so I can pop out a third arm |
| 09:50.03 | Amarande | heh |
| 09:50.13 | Ward | so you can still move in 2 vectors while dropping it with your mouse |
| 09:50.24 | Amarande | actually you know they used to think it was healthy to drink uranium :P |
| 09:50.27 | Ward | on my mage I have it |
| 09:50.29 | Ward | ring of frost |
| 09:50.31 | Ward | blizzard |
| 09:50.34 | Ward | hate it |
| 09:50.45 | Ward | I´d prefer ring of frost just spawned where I stood |
| 09:50.54 | Amarande | hah yeah that's a reason why I rarely AoE on my mage |
| 09:50.56 | Ward | need a glyph for that |
| 09:51.04 | Ward | I like arcane aoe |
| 09:51.11 | Ward | run in and spam that explosion |
| 09:51.31 | Amarande | but seriously, who the fuck would want to use that pally glyph that turns consecrate into a reticle |
| 09:51.34 | Amarande | that's like ... the definition of dumb |
| 09:51.57 | Amarande | let's turn our convenient aoe aggro pickup into an inconvenient mess |
| 09:52.03 | Amarande | if I wanted that shit I'd tank as DK, yo |
| 09:52.30 | Amarande | mind you, this kind of makes dual spec worthless to a monk for me then :| |
| 09:52.42 | Amarande | unless I want to dual spec with mistweaver and have to maintain an int set too |
| 09:52.57 | Amarande | plus I'm still not at all sure exactly how mistweaver works |
| 09:53.03 | Amarande | reading about it on EJ, it seems like something ... strange |
| 09:53.20 | Amarande | mistweaver is what some kind of weird funky healer/DPS hybrid? |
| 09:53.32 | Ward | the only char I like maintaining 2 specs on is my shaman |
| 09:53.36 | Ward | resto main, elemental off |
| 09:53.37 | Ward | same gear |
| 09:53.51 | Amarande | it looks like apparently you're supposed to be attacking the boss most of the time as part of your *healing rotation* |
| 09:54.03 | Ward | yeah it´s weird |
| 09:54.13 | Ward | Disc priests have a similar mechanic |
| 09:54.17 | Amarande | it's strange. and EJ's main guide on it was deleted for being outdated, while the windwalker and brewmaster guides are 5.4 |
| 09:54.20 | Ward | where you have to dps the boss to charge up cooldowns |
| 09:54.27 | Ward | it´s fun in 5 mans |
| 09:54.30 | Amarande | hm, I played disc once and it didn't seem to require that |
| 09:54.30 | Ward | where you just dps as disc |
| 09:54.37 | Ward | throw the occasional shield |
| 09:54.43 | Amarande | but that was early 70s and before mists |
| 09:54.55 | Ward | then when a tough pull happens you switch to heal bar, press those charged up cooldowns and heal like a boss |
| 09:54.58 | Amarande | back when disc was simply massively overpowered heals |
| 09:55.12 | Amarande | although eventually I just let that one DK in utgarde keep die :P |
| 09:55.27 | Amarande | he kept insisting on standing in front of the drakes etc. |
| 09:55.31 | Ward | disc is the trickiest spec to heal in atm |
| 09:55.44 | Amarande | heh and when I let him die because he was being dumb he was like "why u no healz" |
| 09:55.45 | Ward | makes shaman and druid healing seem overpowered |
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| 10:58.38 | sacarasc | kicks the EU servers. |
| 11:06.16 | Amarande | sacarasc: good morning AH FUCK YOU MAINTENANCE? :) |
| 11:06.30 | Amarande | that's going to be a common feeling for me here in the US I think |
| 11:06.35 | Amarande | since I get Tuesdays off so often now :p |
| 11:06.46 | sacarasc | Servers are just coming up now. \o/ |
| 11:07.28 | tate | http://youtu.be/phnv3qwZKAo |
| 11:07.54 | Grammaton | DAT BEAR |
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| 17:49.14 | fewyn | there's too many god damn vanity items this expansion |
| 17:49.26 | JunkHead- | i agree |
| 17:50.37 | fewyn | i should probably vendor some of these epioc i won't be using anymore this expansion |
| 17:56.01 | narwhalbot | [Wowhead News] Siege of Orgrimmar: LFR Underhold Open 10/8, New Bosses and Loot - http://www.wowhead.com/news=221453/siege-of-orgrimmar-lfr-underhold-open-10-8-new-bosses-and-loot |
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| 18:41.16 | Darkky | Evening =D |
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| 21:27.55 | Amarande | hah this windows phone ad with the river running through the canyon immediately reminds me of thousand needles |
| 21:28.08 | fewyn | I <3 my windows phone |
| 21:30.29 | Amarande | well I'd sooner get a windows phone than an apple one, anyway |
| 22:15.23 | b4k4^^ | yay normal mode staff and bracers |
| 22:17.39 | Amarande | hrm, alchemy/herbalism or skinning/LW ... |
| 22:17.46 | Amarande | keeping in mind that this is my first roll on this particular server ... |
| 22:17.47 | fewyn | what class? |
| 22:17.50 | Amarande | monk |
| 22:18.08 | fewyn | personally? |
| 22:18.15 | fewyn | i'd go with alch |
| 22:18.20 | b4k4^^ | leveling lw suuuuuuuuuuucks |
| 22:18.43 | Amarande | yeah, that is a constant b4k4 |
| 22:18.45 | Amarande | how have I put it |
| 22:19.05 | Amarande | just going from 1-300 requires enough leather to probably kit out every BDSM dungeon on the Atlantic coast :P |
| 22:19.10 | b4k4^^ | :D |
| 22:19.27 | b4k4^^ | only with less black dye |
| 22:19.52 | b4k4^^ | incidentally, my gnome monk wears black leather |
| 22:20.40 | b4k4^^ | and now that BDSM was mentioned I'd be half inclined to roll a dwarf monk just because sex dwarf |
| 22:21.10 | b4k4^^ | only I don't roll two of the same class on one sever |
| 22:21.12 | b4k4^^ | +r |
| 22:22.29 | Amarande | I suppose alch is the most universally useful of the crafting profs, anyways |
| 22:26.14 | b4k4^^ | probably |
| 22:26.22 | b4k4^^ | everyone uses that stuff |
| 22:28.43 | Amarande | also, wtf did all my bnet friends just duplicate themselves |
| 22:28.53 | Amarande | like now all of them are saying "Name 1" and "Name 2" |
| 22:37.09 | Amarande | ... also wtf, are meta gems supposed to only give +8 to +16 to the attribute? :| |
| 22:37.32 | Amarande | or is that a glitch because I'm looking at them AH as a level 6 character :S |
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