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| 01:02.37 | Amarande | Welll, now I get why Blizzard was so reluctant to consider anything resembling a server merger (and still pussyfoots around the issue with things like CRZ and whatever that new realmy wealmy ball thing is that're doing with 5.4), heh |
| 01:02.59 | Amarande | I see BioWare is doing one with SW:TOR, and there's already complaints rolling about "BUT NOW I HAVE TO PLAY ON THE OVERCROWDED SERVER" :S |
| 01:03.37 | Amarande | For the moment ... Thumbs up to Blizzard for their account management system, and thumbs down to EA/BioWare for theirs. :) |
| 01:03.37 | Eraclito | realmy wealmy ball thing is a perfect way to define it |
| 01:04.16 | Amarande | Blizz: Everything is quite clearly marked and easy to do. EA: You're never quite sure at registration whether you now have a separate SW:TOR account and EA account, or if they're merged as they should (since there's nothing to really tell you either way). |
| 01:04.35 | Amarande | You also apparently can't use the SW:TOR mobile authenticator unless you subscribe, *and there seems to be nothing at all to tell you this*. |
| 01:04.49 | Jammer | going to suck for rares to have more people in your realm, but otherwise should be mostly positive thing |
| 01:05.02 | Amarande | Jammer: besides, shared rares were already an issue with CRZ |
| 01:05.04 | Amarande | well, supposedly |
| 01:05.12 | Jammer | true |
| 01:05.18 | Amarande | since so many WoW zones were deserted even *with* CRZ, like, say, most of Northrend |
| 01:05.26 | Eraclito | i guess i'm lucky |
| 01:05.30 | Jammer | but old rares weren't that interesting :p |
| 01:05.42 | Eraclito | when CRZ launched, i moved from eu realms to italian realms, excluded from CRZ |
| 01:06.09 | Eraclito | so i went from medium-low realm to a medium-high but with no CRZ |
| 01:06.34 | Jammer | can people in italian realms play? :P |
| 01:06.51 | Amarande | Jammer: except that you can't get a spirit beast type pet at all except for rares, a few hunter pets, and TLPD is still desired by folks who haven't lucked into the mount yet |
| 01:07.10 | Eraclito | Jammer, what do you mean? |
| 01:07.32 | Amarande | speaking of mounts, has the amber scorpion become with 5.4 an exclusive perk for those of us who have it already, or can it still be got? |
| 01:07.37 | Jammer | Eraclito: Crushridge is in battlegroup with one of the realms I play in and constantly get italian players that are totally clueless |
| 01:07.51 | Amarande | it would seem kind of strange if the Klaxxi are betraying us, if you can still rep up with them anyway |
| 01:07.58 | Eraclito | well crushridge is mostly deserted right now, i guess |
| 01:08.03 | Eraclito | most of them went to Nemesis |
| 01:08.17 | Jammer | yeah haven't seen them for a while |
| 01:08.19 | Eraclito | because, you know, "pve is for carebears" |
| 01:08.23 | Amarande | especially since they're pretty much removing most of the Golden Lotus stuff with 5.4, so major changes are being made (then again, that's because most of the Golden Lotus quest space is GONE, heh) |
| 01:08.31 | Eraclito | i'm in the other one, Well of Eternity, and it's kinda good |
| 01:08.32 | Jammer | but during cataclysm it was horrible to get anyone from there :p |
| 01:08.52 | Amarande | Jammer: kind of like Fail'Ganis in the USA :) |
| 01:08.55 | Eraclito | there're noobs, but not so many more compared to what i've been used too |
| 01:09.12 | Eraclito | (i didn't play in Crushridge or Hakkar, i played in Runetotem) |
| 01:09.20 | Amarande | it's weird, Mal'Ganis US hosts one of the most elite guilds in the world, that a large percentage of raiders probably would be much less successful without the theorycrafting of |
| 01:09.27 | Amarande | yet, other than that, it's one of the crappiest servers in the game, generally |
| 01:09.31 | Amarande | horde-side, anyway |
| 01:10.05 | Amarande | Alliance-side, not so much ... actually, Alliance side Mal'Ganis players are probably people you REALLY WANT on your side, seeing as it's a PvE server with a crushing Horde majority |
| 01:10.31 | Amarande | which means anyone with the guts and skill to persevere Alliance side there probably is above average at least |
| 01:10.51 | Jammer | well wtf does it matter on PvE realm? :P |
| 01:10.57 | Amarande | er, wait |
| 01:11.01 | Amarande | Mal'Ganis is PvP, silly me :) |
| 01:11.25 | Amarande | Of course, they may also have leveled their characters using the "PvP escape" trick, which I've seen people use every now and then :) |
| 01:11.53 | Eraclito | (offtopic, a couple of days ago i bought http://www.wowhead.com/npc=52343 for 16,5k) |
| 01:12.01 | Amarande | actually, that may be one of the more legitimate gripes about CRZ, the fact that people *can* worm out of their server type like that :P |
| 01:12.17 | Amarande | normally on PvP servers you're supposed to tough it up and learn to level the PvP way :) |
| 01:12.28 | Eraclito | "PvP escape" trick? what's that? |
| 01:12.34 | Amarande | but since CRZ, you can evade that, and it's not even considered an exploit, though it's cheaper than many things that are heh |
| 01:12.55 | Amarande | Eraclito: you party up with a friend on a PvE server, so that you end up questing on their server rather than yours, and thus don't have to worry about actual PvP |
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| 01:13.17 | Eraclito | oh, interesting |
| 01:13.40 | Amarande | remember, party leader's server type prevails in such cases |
| 01:14.05 | Amarande | I know it's something people actually do, since I remember one day I was leveling an alt in Ashenvale on Ysera-US (PvE) |
| 01:14.23 | Amarande | and passed by someone from Tichondrius (PvP) while doing so, and I *know* they don't mix PvP and PvE in CRZ normally |
| 01:14.29 | Amarande | then it dawned on me why they were doing that :) |
| 01:15.06 | Eraclito | maybe i'm too much a carebear, but i don't get the charm of pvp realms |
| 01:15.16 | Eraclito | i have 3 lv85 characters on pvp realms |
| 01:15.30 | Eraclito | i didn't pvp much, while leveling. i remember once in nagrand, with my horde paladin |
| 01:15.31 | Amarande | (wise, too, since they were yellow and I was pondering whether I should try for some quick honour, then remembered that they had to be partied with someone to be visible on a PvE server, meaning it would really be pressing my luck ...) |
| 01:15.40 | Eraclito | alliance dk and rogue attacked me. i destroyed them. |
| 01:15.41 | Jammer | then again that doesn't really matter... you can just level with instances only anyway |
| 01:15.47 | Jammer | thus avoiding pvp altogether also |
| 01:15.54 | Amarande | Jammer: only if you're a tank, pretty much |
| 01:16.05 | Amarande | and you still need to venture out in the world to develop any gathering skills |
| 01:16.40 | Amarande | mind you, gathering skills seem to be becoming a pretty quaint concept for most folks heh, except maybe mining for tanks |
| 01:16.48 | Amarande | seems like everyone goes dual crafting lately |
| 01:17.08 | Jammer | gathering bonuses are rather bad |
| 01:17.16 | Amarande | I remember having a little quip with my GM back on Ysera about calling him a masochist, in that regard |
| 01:17.24 | Amarande | when I noted that he had both BS and engi on his main :) |
| 01:17.49 | Amarande | hmm, what could possibly be any more masochistic than that ... BS and LW, maybe? |
| 01:18.11 | Amarande | well, anything and LW, really :P |
| 01:18.38 | Amarande | one thing they seriously need to revisit in a future patch, rebalancing the mats for leveling-up LW recipes |
| 01:19.24 | Amarande | yeah, gathering bonuses may be smallish, but they usually are claimed to be balanced with the others (except stamina giving no DPS), and generally I tend to think it logical to match a crafting prof with the corresponding gathering one |
| 01:20.30 | Eraclito | i leveled many professions to the cap... i'm not sure which should be the hardest |
| 01:21.04 | Jammer | haven't leveled my engi yet but BS and LW are really bad ye :p |
| 01:21.22 | Amarande | Engi has actually gotten a LOT easier |
| 01:21.37 | Amarande | I've leveled it up a few times on different realms over the years ... used to be pretty hair pulling, but not anymore, it's one of the easiest now actually |
| 01:22.03 | Eraclito | 4 enchanting, 3 inscription, 2 tailoring, 2 alchemy, 2 mining, 1 leatherworking, 1 jewelcrafting, 1 herbalism, 1 engineering, 1 blacksmithing, 1 skinning... i think that's all |
| 01:22.13 | Eraclito | i still need to level the third mining on my dk |
| 01:22.23 | Amarande | I'm guessing they had to rebalance it a lot due to the removal of ammunition removing a lot of its leveling backbone |
| 01:22.27 | Eraclito | and both on my monk |
| 01:23.13 | Eraclito | well all professions are kinda easy now |
| 01:23.16 | Amarande | The only sucky things about Engi are how long it takes the Jeeves schematic to drop, and the fact that you need to find a fair amount of khorium to make your fast roflcopter and your Jeeves |
| 01:23.25 | Eraclito | mmh i dropped it back in wotlk |
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| 01:23.34 | Amarande | and often it seems like khorium has got rarer lately |
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| 01:23.59 | Amarande | I think it's the A Passage to Bangkok effect, as I call it |
| 01:24.16 | Amarande | "We'll hit the stops along the way ... We only stop for the best ..." |
| 01:24.44 | Amarande | since usually when you're in outland at all nowadays, you're only after specific stuff, so you're probably just going to be making beelines on your 310% mount to wherever you're going |
| 01:24.56 | Amarande | and the only thing you're going to be likely to stop for is ... well, khorium, if it shows up on your mining radar |
| 01:25.07 | Amarande | so there's probably a fair bit of cherry picking going on there |
| 01:26.09 | Amarande | Inscription and Enchanting are not too bad, not that Inscription EVER was, due to the beauty of never having to care exactly which herbs you gather in a particular tier |
| 01:26.22 | Eraclito | true :P |
| 01:26.38 | Eraclito | i also think they don't know what to do with inscription |
| 01:26.45 | Eraclito | they changed it every expansion |
| 01:26.51 | Amarande | Alchemy's pretty fast too, except for that little blip where you need Goldthorn, which is a bit awkward |
| 01:27.01 | Eraclito | >arthas tears |
| 01:27.14 | Amarande | the area level changes with Cata seem to have made Goldthorn rather rarish |
| 01:27.19 | Eraclito | >arthas tears |
| 01:27.29 | Amarande | Arthas' Tears are gone altogether, and I think they've been removed from the recipes that used to use them too? |
| 01:27.46 | Eraclito | not sure, i leveled my second alchemist in the time you needed them |
| 01:27.50 | Eraclito | and that crap disappeared |
| 01:27.54 | Amarande | I think it pretty much got replaced with Sorrowmoss seeing as that's about the same level and uses the same icon |
| 01:28.00 | Eraclito | well, it COULD spawn in undead razorfen |
| 01:28.11 | Eraclito | no, sorrowmoss was plaguebloom |
| 01:28.40 | Amarande | Black Lotus is probably the worst now, since there's probably like 1 or 2 spawn spots only now |
| 01:28.57 | Amarande | with Winterspring and Plaguelands losing their levels |
| 01:29.19 | Eraclito | like the world drops |
| 01:29.25 | Eraclito | like recipes and similar |
| 01:29.35 | Eraclito | they dropped from outdoor 60+ vanilla mobs |
| 01:29.50 | Amarande | hm. don't think I've seen any vanilla recipes vanish except for the ones that only came from Cobalt Mageweavers in Mazthoril |
| 01:30.07 | Amarande | which have not been seen since, and I don't think anyone's EVER confirmed whether they're gone or not (Blizz hasn't said anything to my recollection) |
| 01:30.15 | Amarande | oh, and the gun recipe from the trolls in northeastern EPL |
| 01:30.16 | Eraclito | they only drop occasionally from end raid bosses like nefarian |
| 01:30.32 | Amarande | I've consistently failed to obtain that one, even though Ackis' recipe addon claims it should still drop |
| 01:30.36 | Eraclito | i love collecting recipes |
| 01:30.42 | Amarande | and as far as I'm aware, Blizz has never confirmed whether or not that recipe was removed |
| 01:30.55 | Eraclito | what's that recipe? |
| 01:31.13 | Amarande | crud, what's it called |
| 01:31.26 | Amarande | Flawless Arcanite Rifle |
| 01:32.31 | Amarande | Blacksmithing I haven't heard much about, and haven't really tried past the copper stage for a long while |
| 01:32.48 | Amarande | It doesn't seem like it should be too bad, though. Especially since you can actually GET any extra mats you need from the AH on a healthy server |
| 01:33.03 | Amarande | JC is annoying, but always has been |
| 01:33.39 | Amarande | mostly irritating because it's so gatewayed with dailies and no real way around that, like cooking |
| 01:33.54 | Amarande | Tailoring and Leatherworking have ALWAYS been the worst, on the other hand, and still are |
| 01:34.06 | Eraclito | at least you can farm leather |
| 01:34.07 | Amarande | if anything worse than ever |
| 01:34.10 | Eraclito | i had some sweet spot |
| 01:34.15 | Eraclito | like wetlends and badlands |
| 01:34.18 | Amarande | well, that's part of the problem with LW |
| 01:34.21 | Eraclito | *wetlands |
| 01:34.28 | Amarande | with any other crafting prof except maybe tailoring, you can buy all or nearly all you need from the AH |
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| 01:34.41 | Eraclito | tailoring... you just have to kill humanoids and hope for cloth |
| 01:34.43 | Amarande | with LW, the mats are so out of wack that you can buy out every scrap of leather on the AH and still be nowhere close to what you need |
| 01:34.56 | Eraclito | tailoring was my first profession ever |
| 01:35.03 | Amarande | as was mine, actually |
| 01:35.10 | Amarande | also, tailoring has the "too many mats" problem almost as bad as LW |
| 01:35.21 | Eraclito | also cooldowns |
| 01:35.27 | Eraclito | at least there's no more primal farming |
| 01:35.31 | Amarande | I remember back in the day being on my warlock in BC at level 60-61 or so |
| 01:35.41 | Eraclito | as a frost mage i hated to farm primal waters, immune mobs |
| 01:35.52 | Amarande | immune mobs are rare now, too |
| 01:36.09 | Eraclito | luckily :P |
| 01:36.21 | Eraclito | i remember i farmed them from fishes in a terokkar lake |
| 01:36.32 | Amarande | pretty much only in Northrend I think, except for a few scattered nameds (I seem to remember the named water elemental in south Ashenvale being either immune to frost or *very* close to so) |
| 01:36.41 | Eraclito | the one above the cenarian outpost |
| 01:37.03 | Amarande | anyways, I did not want to move on to Outland on that warlock till I had my 100% mount |
| 01:37.05 | Eraclito | there're still some old raid bosses immune |
| 01:37.15 | Eraclito | the curator is still immune to arcane |
| 01:37.33 | Amarande | and I was dead set on doing the dreadsteed quest and NOT having to just pay for riding like everyone else |
| 01:38.15 | Amarande | so, I was trying to get a group for Scholo and trying to find something to do meanwhile |
| 01:38.33 | Eraclito | i remember i helped a friend of mine to his dreadsteed quest, back in time |
| 01:38.47 | Amarande | I farmed and farmed and farmed the humanoids around that tower in WPL for aaaaages, even got myself a crusader enchant at the time (nice because my priest was tailoring/enchanting) |
| 01:38.48 | Amarande | and ALL THAT RUNECLOTH |
| 01:38.50 | Eraclito | two lv70 and a lv61 being raped from all the scholomance scourge |
| 01:38.55 | Amarande | was JUST enough to get the priest's tailoring from 285 to 300 |
| 01:39.06 | Amarande | it seemed like so *much* runecloth, too |
| 01:39.20 | Eraclito | oh right, you need so much less now |
| 01:39.35 | Eraclito | they really nerfed first aid leveling |
| 01:39.44 | Eraclito | and i'm pretty happy about that |
| 01:39.47 | Amarande | (of course, the main reason I stayed there was because I wanted to stay near enough to Scholo to have a shot at managing to form a group with anyone else nearby) |
| 01:40.04 | Eraclito | i remember my first mount as a gnome was a ram |
| 01:40.12 | Eraclito | i got exalted with ironforge at level 42 |
| 01:40.29 | Eraclito | i remember running with a white ram in zul'farrak and people being "wtf hax" |
| 01:40.47 | Amarande | heh, my first full-speed mount as a draenei was a cat |
| 01:41.16 | Eraclito | i did it with my gnome rogue, but that time the 60% mount was at lv30 |
| 01:41.37 | Amarande | now pretty much all my characters just use blingier mounts that I've obtained with my 80-90 characters over the years |
| 01:41.38 | Eraclito | i got exalted with darnassus at like 10% before hitting lv30 |
| 01:41.45 | Amarande | like the amber scorpion |
| 01:42.06 | Eraclito | i use mounts fitting the character type/armor/color etc |
| 01:42.11 | Amarande | I think part of the problem with leatherworking is Blizzard's OCD with getting everyone to the top level ASAP |
| 01:42.35 | Eraclito | it was the problem with first aid |
| 01:42.37 | Amarande | you barely even have a chance to keep your skinning skill up to date with where you're questing without having to stop to go back and grind it, let alone get enough leather for LW |
| 01:42.51 | Eraclito | i remember i couldn't even LOOT wool cloth before i was flooded with silk |
| 01:43.00 | Amarande | heh, and now silk seems to be rarish |
| 01:43.30 | Eraclito | even in gnomeregan? |
| 01:43.35 | Eraclito | i remember gnomeregan being the silk heaven |
| 01:43.42 | Amarande | ah, I hadn't gone to gnomer very much |
| 01:44.59 | Amarande | from 2012 till I last unsubbed, I've had a lot less consecutive WoW playing time than I did in the distant past |
| 01:45.11 | Amarande | I had a tendency to actively avoid queuing for dungeons at the point where Gnomer was most likely |
| 01:45.28 | Amarande | not because I don't like the place (it's one of my faves as far as leveling dungeons go), but because I know it'll take more time than I can spare most of the time |
| 01:45.54 | Amarande | I usually avoid WC for the same reason |
| 01:46.08 | Eraclito | with the cataclysm revamp it's pretty fast |
| 01:46.21 | Eraclito | you jump down to viscous fallout |
| 01:46.33 | Eraclito | you run to the machine boss to the top of the circle |
| 01:46.44 | Eraclito | you jump down again and you're in the tunnel before thermaplugg |
| 01:47.09 | Eraclito | ...well, all my last character i leveled were tanks |
| 01:47.24 | Eraclito | so I knew the fast way |
| 01:47.38 | Amarande | oh, and speaking of primal farming |
| 01:47.43 | Amarande | guess what Leatherworking leveling entails! :) |
| 01:47.57 | Amarande | you pretty much can't get through the 340's without primals at each step |
| 01:48.12 | Amarande | (well, you can, but the mats for the other possibilities are even MORE tedious) |
| 01:48.20 | Eraclito | uhm |
| 01:48.26 | Eraclito | i guess i kept some primals |
| 01:48.33 | Eraclito | i always try to keep old expansion stuff |
| 01:48.36 | Eraclito | primals, eternals |
| 01:48.40 | Amarande | if I was starting a new LW, I'd probably make sure to be smart and save the +5 from Darkmoon Faire for that range |
| 01:49.38 | Eraclito | before moving to well of eternity i had a guild bank... three blocks full of old enchanting mats, primals and similar stuff |
| 01:50.47 | Amarande | I'm still not sure why Blizz makes such an effort to push people to the top level so quickly |
| 01:51.10 | Amarande | it seems like they'd actually lose subs doing that, since people get to 90, burn through the heroics pretty rapidly in terms of what they can actually use from them |
| 01:51.39 | Amarande | then either they get into a raiding group or PvP or probably more likely they don't have the time for either so they're likely to feel they're done for the patch and unsub |
| 01:52.14 | Amarande | compare, otoh, say, LOTRO where the leveling is at a much more sedate rate and it means you always have something to *do* |
| 01:52.47 | Amarande | when 65 was the cap (which it was when I first went to Middle-Earth) I never really got past ... 60 or so I think |
| 01:52.50 | nebula169 | it took me two days to skin enough shit for 1-600 lw |
| 01:52.53 | nebula169 | not exactly hard |
| 01:53.03 | Amarande | then 75 was the cap and I never got past 71 during that time of playing |
| 01:53.16 | nebula169 | also, for most people, leveling is a means to get to endgame, where the actual fun of the game starts |
| 01:53.19 | Amarande | so it was never like I was in any danger of my character becoming used up, whereas in WoW it's an ever present danger because you're made to level so fast |
| 01:53.23 | Jammer | Amarande: but then you don't get to raid :( |
| 01:53.39 | Amarande | Jammer: yeah, that's true. I think it works better for LOTRO because of how the world is set up there, too |
| 01:53.48 | Eraclito | i don't raid. i guess it's because most of my long-time friends stopped playing |
| 01:53.54 | Eraclito | i'm having less fun now |
| 01:54.25 | Amarande | in LOTRO, the main storyline is primarily a solo experience, with a small or regular fellowship every now and then (and whether you actually need a group there depends a lot on your class, tanks can solo all of Vol 1 epic except for maybe three or so quests) |
| 01:54.40 | Amarande | there exist dungeons and raids, but primarily those exist as side treks to get shinies |
| 01:54.59 | Amarande | and as extra challenges, but aren't generally a direct part of the main "epic tale" |
| 01:56.17 | Amarande | in WoW, you *have to* raid in order to really participate in the primary storyline (MoP has relaxed it a little bit with that sideline war effort thing in Krasarang, but still, yeah, the big things are raids) |
| 01:56.48 | Amarande | also interestingly in LOTRO you never need to raid to get the best weapons in the game |
| 01:57.47 | Amarande | they (legendary First Age weapons) are exclusively crafted, and while one of the mats required only drops in raids (mostly ... they're dispensed rarely sometimes by other means like the free lotteries or random-goodie boxes from holiday events and the such - RARELY), it's not BoP so you can buy one |
| 01:58.11 | Amarande | (they *are* far and away more expensive than basically anything else sold on the AH in game, though) |
| 01:59.11 | Amarande | man, I miss Middle-Earth, but till Charter doesn't have a download cap, or at least till my sister goes back to college at the end of the month, I don't dare try to reinstall it |
| 01:59.26 | Amarande | instead I'm going to give SW:TOR a go for the meanwhile |
| 01:59.39 | Amarande | even if EA are meanies and only let you use the authenticator app if you subscribe :P |
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| 13:29.06 | narwhalbot | [Wowhead News] 5.4 PTR: Build 17299, Spell Changes and More - http://www.wowhead.com/news=218115/5-4-ptr-build-17299-spell-changes-and-more |
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| 13:47.05 | narwhalbot | [Wowhead News] 5.4 PTR: Build 17299, Spell Changes, New Cosmetic Armor, and More - http://www.wowhead.com/news=218115/5-4-ptr-build-17299-spell-changes-new-cosmetic-armor-and-more |
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| 14:43.08 | Geras | Is it ok to post links here? |
| 14:44.01 | jarch4r | probably fine, not much action in here |
| 14:44.35 | Geras | Alright, saw this on GT, thought people might be interested: http://forums.gametrailers.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1356511 |
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| 16:19.08 | narwhalbot | [Wowhead News] PvP Season 13 Ending Soon - http://www.wowhead.com/news=218119/pvp-season-13-ending-soon |
| 16:30.42 | Jammer | I suppose 2-3 weeks to next tier then :p |
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| 17:01.13 | Eraclito | the dark below :( sadly seems an azshara expansion |
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| 18:50.04 | narwhalbot | [Wowhead News] PvP Season 13 Ending Soon, Patch 5.4 Release Date - http://www.wowhead.com/news=218119/pvp-season-13-ending-soon-patch-5-4-release-date |
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| 20:19.03 | narwhalbot | [Wowhead News] Now Hiring: System Administrator - http://www.wowhead.com/news=218128/now-hiring-system-administrator |
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