| 00:21.49 | *** join/#wowhead oscarucb (~oscarucb@cpe-75-180-21-9.columbus.res.rr.com) |
| 00:31.40 | *** join/#wowhead Kamikaze281 (~Kamikaze2@p4FFF62EA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:38.27 | Amarande | heh. |
| 00:38.37 | Amarande | is blizzard actually admitting that the Battle for Gilneas City irretrievably sucks nuts now? |
| 00:39.00 | Amarande | I'm noticing that when you go to the character creation screen, it automatically suggests one particular class each time you click a new race |
| 00:39.12 | Amarande | this class seems to stay the same every time I click a given race |
| 00:39.19 | Amarande | ... for Worgen, it's suggesting Death Knight, go figure :) |
| 00:39.42 | Amarande | Almost like "You don't want to roll this race as a regular class. Trust me." :D |
| 00:41.02 | Amarande | Human gives priest, dwarf hunter, NE druid, gnome lock, draenei pally, worgen DK, panda monk, goblin rogue, troll shaman, tauren also shaman, BE mage, undead rogue, and orc warrior. |
| 00:51.37 | kullervo | so many bots |
| 00:51.40 | kullervo | goddamn |
| 01:05.26 | kullervo | also why cannot I earn proper honor by playing objectives |
| 01:05.28 | kullervo | this is so wrong |
| 01:05.59 | kullervo | if I solo all the flags I get like 200 honor but if I midfield and do nothing I get 400 |
| 01:07.24 | *** join/#wowhead hahuang65 (~hahuang65@208.65.181.227.static.etheric.net) |
| 01:07.27 | Amarande | and this is why it gets harder and harder to actually win battlegrounds |
| 01:07.37 | Amarande | because you get a better return from just concentrating on HKs instead |
| 01:09.39 | b4k4^^ | oh, so I've been stupid trying to play "the right way" and go for objectives |
| 01:10.00 | b4k4^^ | figures since I don't do PvP much :D |
| 01:10.19 | b4k4^^ | (I'm also one of those nuts that try to play "right" even in lfr) |
| 01:11.28 | kullervo | in LFR people have SUCH STUPID strategies |
| 01:12.00 | b4k4^^ | like tanking the stone guards together? :) |
| 01:12.41 | b4k4^^ | (that's what came first to mind that's obviously not going to work on normal and hc) |
| 01:14.20 | kullervo | someone should post about this on the US forums |
| 01:14.23 | kullervo | devs don't read the EU ones |
| 01:15.03 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] 5.2 PTR - Build 16562 - Spell Changes and More - http://www.wowhead.com/news=210593/5-2-ptr-build-16562-spell-changes-and-more |
| 01:15.57 | kullervo | and THIS FUCKING GEAR CENTRIC PVP MODEL |
| 01:16.05 | kullervo | BECAUSE IT TAKES SKILL TO FARM POINTS |
| 01:17.08 | kullervo | Sha of Anger would so own me right now |
| 01:17.48 | b4k4^^ | sure it does, like the free points you get from the Venture Bay PvP dailies that you can roflstomp :3 |
| 01:17.59 | b4k4^^ | since npcs are ~lvl 70 |
| 01:19.46 | kullervo | fuck honor gear |
| 01:19.58 | kullervo | it's useless vs arena geared people |
| 01:20.09 | kullervo | oh and not being able to cap points through arena |
| 01:20.15 | kullervo | I don't give a flying fuck about rated pvp but must do it |
| 01:20.25 | kullervo | no wait I can't because I don't have malevolent weapons |
| 01:23.10 | kullervo | hahaha pandaren roar |
| 01:23.11 | kullervo | d |
| 01:24.13 | jane | i love some lfr strats |
| 01:25.02 | jane | easier than explaining what to do |
| 01:26.53 | kullervo | some are plain stupid |
| 01:31.34 | kullervo | like not moving the blade lord in HoF |
| 01:31.57 | kullervo | also, now that I get equally geared people vs me |
| 01:32.03 | kullervo | "HOLY SHIT!" |
| 01:32.20 | kullervo | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/pkblow/ |
| 01:32.46 | Amarande | b4k4: heh, excusable though. you're only given two tanks in LFR, at least that form of it |
| 01:33.00 | Amarande | I'm presuming on normal and HC 25 you need to have three tanks at least |
| 01:33.09 | kullervo | Amarande: on some fights |
| 01:33.15 | kullervo | no more than 3 though |
| 01:33.28 | kullervo | some you can do 2 even though guides say 3 |
| 01:35.05 | *** join/#wowhead Sephiroth (Sephiroth@pdpc/supporter/student/sephiroth) |
| 01:37.10 | Amarande | however, it's kind of a point about LFR, though ... if people are actively getting used to strategies that won't work in real raiding simply because the group composition provided for LFR doesn't let them learn it "right" :| |
| 01:38.27 | Amarande | also honour is useful for farming up heirlooms of types you don't have yet :) |
| 01:40.36 | kullervo | look |
| 01:40.38 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/t2013-02-09_03-40-30.png |
| 01:41.03 | kullervo | disparity between straightforward victory points and honor |
| 01:41.23 | Amarande | heh azshara |
| 01:41.28 | Amarande | there's actually still players there? :) |
| 01:41.47 | kullervo | seems so |
| 01:42.22 | kullervo | poor sap, that one. I finished him with a 200k rising sun kick :( |
| 01:43.51 | kullervo | good thing alliance wasn't smart enough to use CC or focused attacks, I had like 400% damage taken at that point :D |
| 01:45.02 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] 5.2 PTR - Build 16562 - Tier 15 Raid Drops, Icons, Spell Changes - http://www.wowhead.com/news=210593/5-2-ptr-build-16562-tier-15-raid-drops-icons-spell-changes |
| 01:46.49 | Jammer | hmm guardian spirit heals 9000000% maximum hp... interesting :D |
| 01:47.01 | kullervo | tbh I'd very much like to learn what that ploto guy did |
| 01:47.10 | kullervo | everyone on horde side earned the same amount of honor but him |
| 01:47.29 | kullervo | Jammer: broken tooltip |
| 01:47.34 | Amarande | hmmm |
| 01:47.47 | Amarande | possibly to ensure it heals full regardless of any healing debuffs (except for ones that completely eliminate healing)? |
| 01:47.49 | kullervo | like that paladin seal dealing 0 damage, stacking 0 times |
| 01:47.54 | Amarande | or what's it actually supposed to be? |
| 01:48.20 | Jammer | dunno was 50% before |
| 01:48.41 | Amarande | like apparently in say Final Fantasy games there will be boss attacks that always do 9999/99999 regardless of any stats or effects, and if you do the math through the damage formulae you find out it's actually several hundred thousand damage or so calculated, "just to make sure" I imagine :) |
| 01:49.52 | Amarande | heh. FF and their pitiful damage amounts |
| 01:50.04 | Amarande | explains how they can have a nigh invincible boss that has less HP than some pre-outland dungeon bosses in WoW :D |
| 01:50.23 | jane | im looking like im sucking at healing because the other healer keeps healing the stupid debuff on amber shaper like a dumbass -_- |
| 01:50.24 | jane | sigh |
| 01:51.23 | Amarande | meh. far as my raiding experience goes (although I wasn't actually a healer, but I'm pretty sure we didn't actually have role specific division, so anything that would have been mentioned to healers would have been heard on vent/raid chat anyway) |
| 01:51.39 | Amarande | healing has generally very much been a pass/fail grade |
| 01:51.59 | Amarande | did you wipe/have excessive raid members die unnecessarily? then you might have a problem with your healing. |
| 01:52.06 | jane | very much fail when you do millions extra healing than necessary |
| 01:52.14 | jane | and people die because you heal |
| 01:52.20 | Amarande | did you down the boss without anyone dying except through obvious undergearedness/fail behaviour? then you're fine. |
| 01:52.34 | Amarande | it's like tanking. did you hold aggro and not die? then you're gold. |
| 01:52.39 | jane | that is so not true |
| 01:53.00 | Amarande | mostly it seems to be DPS where meters really get scrutinised :S |
| 01:53.09 | jane | and that misconception sucks so bad |
| 01:53.16 | Amarande | well |
| 01:53.23 | Amarande | we went 10/12 hardmodes in ICC10, so we can't have been that bad :) |
| 01:53.26 | jane | my main raid has healers that suck ass and they'd know it if they saw meters but the heal lead is all "we downed the boss we're good" |
| 01:53.30 | jane | she pisses. me. off. |
| 01:53.42 | Amarande | and most likely would have been 12/12 if there had been time, but we didn't get our A team together until too close to cata |
| 01:53.59 | jane | and if youre wasting mana healing a boss mechanic that is supposed to make you NOT HEAL THEM then you're a fucktard |
| 01:54.36 | jane | oh joy more people dying this way |
| 01:54.39 | jane | or cant do the vehicle |
| 01:55.30 | kullervo | Amarande: with my guild tanks we often have competitions of "who takes the least damage? Okay, who has highest survivability on this fight?" |
| 01:55.56 | kullervo | we make games of everything |
| 01:56.04 | kullervo | with some we just gamble of say, 5k gold /roll |
| 01:56.22 | Amarande | though I suppose that we'd probably have gotten through each encounter a bit faster if we'd honed things more obsessively on previous encounters |
| 01:56.24 | kullervo | with the officers I play the game of "how much dkp will it cost me to show up one and a half hours late" |
| 01:56.37 | jane | wow i almost died again |
| 01:56.41 | Amarande | since, well, if you downed a given boss with that particular form of tanking/healing, then pretty much you *are* good ... until you encounter a boss where you can't |
| 01:57.12 | kullervo | Amarande: what I can't stand about tanking is well uh.. not tanking |
| 01:57.15 | Amarande | then you have to go through the whole rigorous training right then and there instead of having done it before, I suppose :) |
| 01:57.21 | kullervo | challenge modes drive me insane. |
| 01:57.38 | kullervo | "you must kite them!" |
| 01:57.49 | kullervo | and all I want to say is, "bring a hunter dipshits" |
| 01:57.56 | kullervo | and ragequit and go to play an alt |
| 01:58.05 | Amarande | yeah, I've noticed challenge modes tend to favour certain classes pretty strongly |
| 01:58.05 | kullervo | but I can't because I'm a respected member of the community |
| 01:58.16 | Amarande | noticed in a lot of good scoring teams that a druid is included, in particular |
| 01:58.22 | kullervo | I'll finally get to do them on my monk in 5.2 |
| 01:58.24 | kullervo | you know why? |
| 01:58.27 | kullervo | ring of peace LOLSOOP |
| 01:58.37 | Amarande | not really sure why, or if it's even just the passive movement speed buff from talent that makes a difference in a time trial |
| 01:58.59 | kullervo | Amarande: no it doesn't matter if one member runs fast |
| 01:59.04 | kullervo | hunters you bring for movement speed |
| 01:59.11 | kullervo | druids have other tools, aoe silence for instance |
| 01:59.37 | jane | Amarande: that assumption is harmful imo |
| 01:59.50 | jane | until you've cleared everything on heroic, the "it worked once it should work again" thing sucks |
| 02:00.01 | Amarande | btw. to do challenge modes do you just have to be i463 or does *every individual item* have to be i463 or better on its own? |
| 02:00.37 | kullervo | Amarande: every individual item |
| 02:00.42 | jane | you can always do better |
| 02:00.44 | Amarande | fwiw, the one boss we got stuck on in heroic besides Lich King, was Sindragosa |
| 02:00.46 | kullervo | I do them in my ilvl 500 set |
| 02:00.50 | Amarande | and we pretty much always hated Sindy |
| 02:01.02 | Amarande | also, wrt challenge modes, do you need to re-reforge every time you do them? |
| 02:01.20 | kullervo | Amarande: no, because I reforge for boss hit/exp cap |
| 02:01.30 | Amarande | particularly, in order to make up for the fact that once you're in epics, you'll get dragged below hit cap unless you custom reforge |
| 02:01.38 | kullervo | happens to be that downgrading to lower ilvl means I have the right stats for challenge modes |
| 02:01.49 | kullervo | because they have lower boss levels |
| 02:02.34 | Amarande | class? |
| 02:02.38 | kullervo | prot pala |
| 02:02.41 | Amarande | ah |
| 02:02.44 | Amarande | yeah you might have it easier, then :| |
| 02:02.52 | kullervo | why though? |
| 02:02.59 | Amarande | you have two smaller ratings that both have lower caps, because physical has always had a lower hit cap |
| 02:03.13 | Amarande | as a mage, you want only 15% for raids, but you need 12% for heroics/challenge |
| 02:03.28 | Amarande | eventually, as you get further and further above 463, I'm guessing something's going to give and you might have to custom reforge |
| 02:03.47 | kullervo | perhaps |
| 02:03.53 | Amarande | oh, that's going to be fun when 5.2 comes out and I actually get upgrades :| |
| 02:03.54 | Amarande | hmm |
| 02:04.18 | Amarande | is there an addon available that lets you figure what your challenge mode gear stats are going to be based on your current gear/reforge choices? |
| 02:04.29 | kullervo | Amarande: no idea |
| 02:04.40 | kullervo | but mrrobot suggests that challenge mode reforges would be same as raid ones |
| 02:05.33 | Amarande | challenge modes are still quite some way off though, anyway |
| 02:05.41 | Amarande | especially if I keep having the loot luck in LFR that I have been having |
| 02:05.55 | Amarande | PLEASE NOT MORE GOLD. PLEASE NOT MORE GOLD. PLEASE NOT MORE GOLD. *sound of Press Your Luck Whammy* Gold. |
| 02:06.11 | kullervo | lol |
| 02:06.15 | *** join/#wowhead dogel (~doggle@S01060014d137deed.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 02:06.22 | kullervo | on my monk I've had two pieces of tier, BiS shoulders and god knows what else from LFR |
| 02:06.33 | kullervo | also vendor crap because I went through the trouble of acquiring epics before entering |
| 02:06.56 | Amarande | also as an engi it's a lot more of a pain to upgrade trinkets in particular compared to other profs :| |
| 02:07.06 | Amarande | and I'm really trying not to have to spend 10k on a darkmoon card |
| 02:07.15 | kullervo | .. what |
| 02:07.24 | kullervo | are you saying other professions have it easier regarding trinkets? |
| 02:07.29 | Amarande | kullervo: yes |
| 02:07.35 | Amarande | engi specific mechanic |
| 02:07.36 | kullervo | other professions don't even get trinkets |
| 02:07.47 | kullervo | alchemists do |
| 02:07.47 | Amarande | the synapse springs profession perk shares a CD with on-use type trinkets |
| 02:07.58 | Amarande | so you basically need to have ones that are proc-based |
| 02:07.58 | kullervo | yeah sure, 30 secs |
| 02:08.12 | Amarande | unfortunately, all the valor ones for starters are on-use :( |
| 02:08.17 | kullervo | but I don't see why you can't just have 30 second burst instead of luck based 15 second burst |
| 02:08.29 | kullervo | valor trinkets suck anyway, I use blue ones |
| 02:08.47 | Amarande | the point is that if your synapse springs are on CD so is your on-use trinket |
| 02:09.02 | Amarande | and vice versa, so if you use an on-use trinket instead, your profession bonus is wasted |
| 02:09.25 | Amarande | that luck based 15 second burst can proc regardless, though |
| 02:09.25 | kullervo | so it's $cooldown instead of 30 seconds like human racial etc? |
| 02:09.53 | Amarande | hmmmm. |
| 02:12.04 | Amarande | a quick glance at wowhead comments is suggesting that once we get into t15, on-use trinkets will be worth it, but not the current ones |
| 02:12.15 | Amarande | "I'm not sure if i'm behind the power curve here but I'm seeing a conflict with my on use trinket Flashfrozen Resin Globule. In my macro if I /use the gloves first I get a 10 sec CD on the trink, trink first and I get a 25 sec cd on the gloves." |
| 02:20.25 | jane | that shared cd is not gonna make much of a performance difference for lots of people |
| 02:21.36 | kullervo | it is after all to time your cooldowns to hit a proc trinket |
| 02:21.46 | kullervo | considering all the movement and different boss phases |
| 02:22.03 | jane | yeah i hate proc trinkets |
| 02:22.20 | jane | always procs when i dont want it |
| 02:22.40 | kullervo | I prefer proc trinkets usually |
| 02:22.43 | kullervo | I'm too shy at using them |
| 02:23.04 | kullervo | so as a healer for instance I used int ones with spirit procs |
| 02:23.05 | Amarande | kullervo: also on-use trinkets require you to find yet another precious convenient action bar slot |
| 02:23.08 | jane | well. it's easier in that its one less thing off your mind i guess, and for something passive-ish like spirit itd be good |
| 02:23.15 | kullervo | Amarande: you mean, a key bind |
| 02:23.22 | kullervo | you don't need an action bar slot to bind something |
| 02:23.42 | Amarande | yeah. that's what I mean, a keybind slot where the key is actually something you don't need to be a kraken to hit :P |
| 02:23.57 | jane | not true |
| 02:24.01 | jane | you can macro and more |
| 02:24.17 | Amarande | sometimes I swear I'm going to end up having to buy one of those 122 key POS terminal keyboards and bind the extra function keys to act as otherwise impossibly-contortionist key combinations to use with wow :) |
| 02:24.32 | jane | what on earth do you play |
| 02:24.48 | kullervo | I actually found I no longer need the extra buttons on mine |
| 02:25.00 | kullervo | lost so many skills in 5.0 |
| 02:25.34 | Amarande | I find as I level up new classes that I seem to need sometimes mind-numbing numbers of keybinds |
| 02:25.49 | jane | you should be able to macro a lot |
| 02:25.55 | Amarande | I used to keep my action bar fixed in bartender on my rogue so I wouldn't have to set up separate statefulness for stealth |
| 02:26.03 | Amarande | but eventually let it page, for two reasons |
| 02:26.18 | Amarande | one, there's so many stealth-only abilities that you need to in order to avoid crippling bar clutter |
| 02:26.37 | Amarande | two, for some reason I regularly get addon taint glitches if I suppress the paging |
| 02:26.55 | Amarande | it's ironic. if I let bartender *switch* the action bar when going in/out of stealth in combat, it works fine |
| 02:27.07 | Amarande | if I set it up to "Don't Page" then I regularly get "Fatality!" warnings from bugsack |
| 02:27.36 | Amarande | you'd think the setup that requires the addon to swap the bars during combat would glitch and the other one would be the one to work well :) |
| 02:29.22 | jane | eh |
| 02:29.24 | kullervo | everything corrupts in very odd manners |
| 02:29.37 | jane | you should macro more, or see if you're ever even gonna use whatever you have on your bar |
| 02:29.44 | kullervo | for instance, I don't QUITE understand how a chat addon can taint the glyph UI |
| 02:30.00 | Amarande | kullervo: apparently it was the result of variable names being unwittingly duplicated, or some such |
| 02:30.01 | jane | like healing addons will trigger things for you so you can ignore trinkets |
| 02:30.04 | kullervo | jane: funny, I have all my skills key bound on my monk and regularily use all of them! |
| 02:30.05 | nebula169 | because talent/glyph ui has a frame flash |
| 02:30.12 | jane | _all_ of them? :P |
| 02:30.22 | kullervo | jane: yes, all of them |
| 02:30.26 | kullervo | especially as windwalker |
| 02:30.26 | jane | impressive |
| 02:30.27 | nebula169 | and chat addons use filters which tie into frame flashing when its floating and docked |
| 02:30.40 | jane | actually ive discovered i do a lot more as windwalker than as mistweaver |
| 02:30.45 | nebula169 | and there is your taint |
| 02:31.01 | kullervo | well okay, I don't use taunt all that often... nor path of blossoms because it's useless |
| 02:31.11 | kullervo | maybe why it's getting removed in 5.2! |
| 02:31.22 | jane | but path of blossoms is pretty :< |
| 02:31.45 | kullervo | not pretty enough to be useful, the alliance won't stop and stare at it |
| 02:31.49 | jane | do you...regularly place healing spheres? |
| 02:31.58 | kullervo | yes |
| 02:32.05 | kullervo | it's bound to my mouse 7 |
| 02:32.13 | jane | zen pilgrimage? :d |
| 02:32.18 | kullervo | opie ring |
| 02:32.25 | kullervo | shift+scrollright |
| 02:32.31 | kullervo | the mastery buff is great |
| 02:32.48 | jane | takes too long as mw :< |
| 02:32.58 | kullervo | no damage spec at all? |
| 02:33.08 | jane | i hate switching lol |
| 02:33.14 | kullervo | lol |
| 02:33.20 | kullervo | I type the command by hand every time |
| 02:33.22 | jane | and the ilvl difference between the two specs is like....80ilvl |
| 02:33.46 | kullervo | really I don't see why you'd have such trouble as MW either |
| 02:33.49 | kullervo | you just claimed to do 25k dps |
| 02:33.51 | jane | it just takes forever |
| 02:34.03 | jane | yeah i can do moer than 25 if i dont have to actually heal |
| 02:34.04 | jane | :D |
| 02:34.15 | jane | but it's slow. |
| 02:34.20 | kullervo | yeah, imagine you did less than that when leveling up and doing that daily |
| 02:34.28 | jane | i had heirlooms that made me op |
| 02:34.36 | kullervo | oh and it's a teleport to mogu vaults basically |
| 02:34.42 | jane | oh good point |
| 02:35.07 | kullervo | btw, best use I ever found of zen meditation: trolling casters in pvp |
| 02:35.24 | kullervo | "oh, incoming shattercombo, HOYAAAAH" |
| 02:35.48 | nebula169 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.04 | kullervo | that's of course assuming I for some reason can't use my hard counter-everything skill |
| 02:36.15 | kullervo | nebula169: like anyone would have a wand in reality |
| 02:36.28 | nebula169 | just what came to mind :p |
| 02:36.30 | jane | lol |
| 02:36.30 | kullervo | you can dual enchant a sword+oh, plus they look cool zomg |
| 02:37.09 | jane | i wish my shaman could equip swords :( |
| 02:37.35 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/WoWScrnShot_020913_043724.jpg |
| 02:37.38 | jane | the model in terrace is so awesome |
| 02:37.53 | kullervo | it's a shame dualwielding is always superior if you can acquire the same ilvl gear |
| 02:37.58 | jane | nice pimp hat |
| 02:38.00 | kullervo | I love the way this staff looks |
| 02:38.27 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/WoWScrnShot_020913_043818.jpg |
| 02:38.32 | kullervo | and thanks |
| 02:38.40 | jane | which staff is that? |
| 02:38.52 | kullervo | the one from Kazzak |
| 02:39.13 | jane | ooo |
| 02:39.40 | kullervo | I cheated though, one long-ass quest chain has the same model as end reward |
| 02:39.48 | kullervo | took me hours to do it |
| 02:40.04 | jane | finding sets to transmog is a pain :( |
| 02:40.14 | kullervo | indeed, I use model viewer for that |
| 02:40.34 | kullervo | you should've heard me cursing the fact all cool looking leather is druid class only |
| 02:40.49 | jane | lol |
| 02:40.53 | kullervo | took ages to find those shoulders for example |
| 02:40.54 | jane | ohhh yeah that must suck, no tier |
| 02:40.59 | jane | there's a lot of really nice druid tier :/ |
| 02:41.06 | jane | among other pieces |
| 02:41.32 | kullervo | the wing shoulders from BRD I like but they remind me of this one very annoying playe |
| 02:41.52 | jane | ive been trying to get those on heroic but never drops :/ |
| 02:42.03 | kullervo | you can probably solo that |
| 02:42.08 | kullervo | seeing how you can solo firelands |
| 02:42.11 | jane | heroic chogall? |
| 02:42.26 | kullervo | what? you're thinking of BoT |
| 02:42.36 | kullervo | I'm speaking of the shoulders from those 4 robots |
| 02:42.39 | jane | yeah, ive been doing them with 3-4 people |
| 02:42.45 | jane | oh right, omnotron also drops them |
| 02:42.48 | jane | they never drop for me :P |
| 02:43.00 | jane | not a big deal cause other people are also doing transmog but.. |
| 02:43.51 | jane | i have t8 and t13 on my druid though and i love it, so probably not changing anytime soon |
| 02:44.01 | kullervo | I use t12 on my paladin |
| 02:44.03 | jane | finding a weapon for my shaman is annoying though. no good staves |
| 02:44.06 | jane | that match |
| 02:44.22 | kullervo | back when transmog was announced I just said "welp, I guess this will be the last cool set I ever loot so this is it" |
| 02:44.37 | kullervo | and that one was earned when it was relevant content |
| 02:44.43 | kullervo | so it does hold some emotional value |
| 02:44.55 | kullervo | http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/563255_502542366454791_1443994101_n.jpg |
| 02:44.58 | jane | ooo that's a nice tier |
| 02:45.00 | *** join/#wowhead Desires (~Paola@ool-43561c83.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 02:45.15 | kullervo | shame I can't find any good looking swords to go with it |
| 02:45.27 | kullervo | and the tier's best weapon is an axe so that sucks too |
| 02:45.31 | jane | if i could equip swords id transmog everything to the sword models from terrace :P |
| 02:45.36 | kullervo | 1h swords that is, and 2h axe |
| 02:45.38 | jane | wish it were bigger |
| 02:46.01 | kullervo | you know the twin blade of the phoenix? |
| 02:46.05 | kullervo | best 2h sword eu |
| 02:46.14 | kullervo | so graceful and elite looking |
| 02:46.40 | jane | ooo that's pretty |
| 02:46.49 | jane | 1h sword though, the healing one is nice |
| 02:46.54 | kullervo | and I have to switch it for a damn axe, can you imagine |
| 02:47.16 | kullervo | the one from firelands looks okay but I was thinking of going for something rare |
| 02:47.31 | jane | something ostentatious :p |
| 02:47.34 | kullervo | http://www.wowhead.com/item=28222#screenshots |
| 02:47.44 | kullervo | if only it had a metal shaft |
| 02:48.20 | jane | hmm yeah :/ |
| 02:48.39 | kullervo | it's extremely shiny though |
| 02:49.22 | kullervo | http://www.wowhead.com/item=30009#screenshots |
| 02:49.37 | kullervo | it's very small though |
| 02:51.00 | kullervo | http://www.wowhead.com/item=31318 |
| 02:51.03 | kullervo | is very delivate looking |
| 02:51.13 | kullervo | and fit for a blood elf |
| 02:51.26 | fewyn | METAL SHAFT |
| 02:51.35 | fewyn | that's all i read |
| 02:51.38 | kullervo | hahaha |
| 02:51.53 | jane | http://www.wowhead.com/item=25762#screenshots shiny |
| 02:52.02 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] 5.2 PTR - Build 16562 - Tier 15 Raid Drops, 3D Weapon Models, and More - http://www.wowhead.com/news=210593/5-2-ptr-build-16562-tier-15-raid-drops-3d-weapon-models-and-more |
| 02:52.22 | kullervo | it's not elite enough |
| 02:52.30 | jane | yeah well :P |
| 02:52.46 | kullervo | https://eu.theunderminejournal.com/item.php?realm=H-Defias%20Brotherhood&item=31318 |
| 02:52.49 | kullervo | damn |
| 02:53.14 | jane | shin'ka is nice but kinda creeps me out all the time |
| 02:53.27 | kullervo | but in 5.2 I get to transmog it into polearms and spears! |
| 02:55.21 | kullervo | maybe one of those blood elf staves |
| 02:55.43 | *** join/#wowhead Funkeh` (~funkydude@5ada2baf.bb.sky.com) |
| 02:55.44 | *** join/#wowhead Funkeh` (~funkydude@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/BigWigs/funkeh) |
| 02:56.57 | kullervo | http://www.wowhead.com/item=29133 |
| 03:00.09 | *** join/#wowhead xythian_ (~xythian@c-98-222-180-237.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 03:13.45 | *** join/#wowhead Ahnberg (ahnberg@ahnberg.pp.se) |
| 03:15.29 | *** join/#wowhead Mori-neko (~Mori-neko@solarlottery.net) |
| 03:21.58 | *** join/#wowhead ScorpioCRO (~scorpiocr@cpe-188-129-58-105.dynamic.amis.hr) |
| 03:29.32 | Amarande | ooooookay, this totally makes sense ... not |
| 03:29.42 | Amarande | http://www.wowhead.com/items=2.6?filter=cr=158;crs=392;crv=0 |
| 03:30.00 | Amarande | why do the lower level level 70 polearms cost close to five times as much as the i154 one? *headdesk* |
| 03:33.08 | Eraclito | Amarande, that's true for s1 s2 and s3 sets |
| 03:37.00 | *** join/#wowhead Mori-neko (~Mori-neko@solarlottery.net) |
| 03:37.24 | Amarande | wow, 350 honour for the i154 painsaw, though |
| 03:37.41 | Amarande | I can tell what I'll be using in the Northrend stage on a monk I don't have heirlooms for |
| 03:39.14 | *** join/#wowhead Lugburz_ (~Lugburz@207.207.120.209) |
| 03:41.25 | *** join/#wowhead towbes (~towbes@oki-180-131-244-194.jptransit.net) |
| 03:57.41 | kullervo | We’ll be performing rolling restarts for all realms beginning at 05:00 CET. Each realm should be affected for no more than 15 minutes once their restart begins. |
| 03:57.45 | kullervo | <hour ago |
| 03:57.48 | kullervo | daamn. |
| 04:00.47 | kullervo | asdfdgfd. apparently "all realms" means bg servers too |
| 04:01.22 | *** join/#wowhead Mori-neko (~Mori-neko@solarlottery.net) |
| 04:03.05 | *** join/#wowhead JunkHead (~JunkHead@173-19-106-120.client.mchsi.com) |
| 04:04.02 | JunkHead | hey. does anyone here by chance have a code for 10 free game time? |
| 04:05.04 | JunkHead | 10 days* |
| 04:11.56 | kullervo | JunkHead: er uh... no such thing anymore? |
| 04:12.11 | kullervo | you now get "free lvl 20 for infinite period" |
| 04:12.28 | JunkHead | they still make 10 days free dont they? |
| 04:12.34 | JunkHead | i know about the starter trial |
| 04:12.51 | kullervo | 10 day trial would have same limitations |
| 04:13.10 | JunkHead | i thoguht there was a 10 day trial so ANYONE could play for free? |
| 04:13.14 | JunkHead | like, any lvl person |
| 04:13.22 | kullervo | I'm not aware of that |
| 04:13.27 | jane | i don't think so |
| 04:13.47 | JunkHead | so there is no free 7-10 days of gametime codes? |
| 04:13.50 | JunkHead | well damn.:\ |
| 04:14.28 | kullervo | there's free "scroll of resurrection" and "new patch, please come back" email |
| 04:15.03 | JunkHead | yeah i know, but i think there are time restraints on it |
| 04:15.11 | JunkHead | like, the account has to be NOT PLAYED for x months |
| 04:15.18 | kullervo | 90 days |
| 04:16.05 | JunkHead | wait for real? |
| 04:16.08 | JunkHead | i thoguth it was 6 months |
| 04:16.15 | JunkHead | or somethign crazy |
| 05:20.01 | kullervo | uh what's the AH cut? |
| 05:21.24 | JunkHead | Ok I think I found what I was thinking of. |
| 05:21.37 | JunkHead | it was 10 days free/mop free trial, from a blizzard newsletter |
| 05:21.48 | JunkHead | someoen on mmo-c forums posted on dec 1st that they got it |
| 05:21.53 | JunkHead | and so did others. |
| 05:21.57 | JunkHead | thats what I was thinking about |
| 05:33.10 | JunkHead | guess ill try for the shield again |
| 05:33.34 | *** join/#wowhead Elysa_ (~Lienne@c-66-30-12-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 05:38.47 | JunkHead | boss i need is dead. |
| 05:38.51 | JunkHead | *leaves* |
| 05:40.00 | kullervo | theeere |
| 05:40.16 | kullervo | creating groups for quick auction posting in any addon takes some time but damn if it saves time later |
| 05:51.56 | *** join/#wowhead mjiuh (6c0cb21b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.12.178.27) |
| 06:44.25 | *** join/#wowhead stolenlegacy (~stolenleg@unaffiliated/stolenlegacy) |
| 06:51.31 | *** join/#wowhead JunkHead- (~JunkHead@173-19-106-120.client.mchsi.com) |
| 07:13.41 | *** join/#wowhead hahuang65 (~hahuang65@c-76-21-60-158.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 07:15.15 | *** join/#wowhead KaNNis (~kanniss@130.185.244.96) |
| 08:19.46 | *** join/#wowhead Ward (Ward@ip45-152-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) |
| 08:19.47 | *** join/#wowhead Ward (Ward@unaffiliated/ward) |
| 08:23.32 | kullervo | let's see what happens when I prospect 3.6k ore |
| 08:54.23 | *** join/#wowhead Lopin (~Lopin@89.177.29.79) |
| 09:08.50 | *** join/#wowhead Anmity (~Anmity@h96n3c1o851.bredband.skanova.com) |
| 09:21.48 | kullervo | gems, lots of them |
| 09:31.44 | *** join/#wowhead EthanCentaurai (~EthanCent@host-2-97-218-49.as13285.net) |
| 10:01.04 | *** join/#wowhead xythian_ (~xythian@c-98-222-180-237.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 10:14.22 | *** join/#wowhead macfeastr (~macfeaste@133.197.216.81.static.tbg.siw.siwnet.net) |
| 10:16.01 | kullervo | and it appears I might make greater profits by selling this crap instead of disenchanting it |
| 10:24.16 | *** part/#wowhead macfeastr (~macfeaste@133.197.216.81.static.tbg.siw.siwnet.net) |
| 10:39.55 | *** join/#wowhead VIad (~Vlad@128.121.45.31.customer.cdi.no) |
| 10:43.27 | *** join/#wowhead EthanCentaurai (~EthanCent@host-2-97-218-49.as13285.net) |
| 12:24.59 | *** join/#wowhead Lopin (~Lopin@89.177.29.79) |
| 12:38.49 | *** join/#wowhead g0urra (~g0urra@unaffiliated/gourra) |
| 13:15.48 | Ward | someone gave me a 50 euro gift card for a local bookstore |
| 13:15.56 | Ward | had no idea what to buy, their selection is crappy |
| 13:16.10 | Ward | then I found wow prepaid game time cards |
| 13:16.24 | Ward | free sub for half a year :p |
| 13:28.47 | Jammer | way to abuse the system :p |
| 13:28.56 | Jammer | really hate gift cards |
| 13:29.42 | Jammer | could just give money instead |
| 13:32.20 | Eraclito | well true |
| 13:50.33 | *** join/#wowhead Sonka (~SonkaTeke@dsl4E5C0AB4.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 13:56.52 | *** join/#wowhead Sonka_ (~SonkaTeke@dsl4E5C0AB4.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 14:04.01 | *** join/#wowhead Amarande (amarande@24-151-15-23.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) |
| 14:04.20 | kullervo | they give gift cards because they wish you to spend the money on something particular |
| 14:05.09 | Amarande | kullervo: kinda like how when you sell something on the RMAH in D3, Blizzard does their very best to get you to take Bobby Bucks instead of cash? :) |
| 14:07.11 | Amarande | which, mind you, wouldn't be quite so awful if you could pay for a WoW subscription with Bobby Bucks, but that's about the only Blizz thing you *can't* buy with them :P |
| 14:10.30 | Jammer | yeah it's so weird you can't spend them on subscriptions :/ |
| 14:11.38 | Amarande | wow major bumps in crafted armour for the new patch. wonder how many people are going to scream bloody murder because they paid good money for the current stuff when the new comes out :) |
| 14:11.58 | Amarande | mind you, I still have to upgrade D3 from starter at some point, anyway :p |
| 14:12.25 | Amarande | also. why does the PTR Patch Notes page load properly, while the "Patch 1.0.7 Preview" page keeps freezing Firefox |
| 14:13.05 | Amarande | although this seems like a firefox problem rather than a blizz one ... for some reason, when objects on certain pages are still loading, Firefox remains unresponsive and will not let you scroll through what's loaded so far until ALL the content is there |
| 14:15.03 | *** join/#wowhead derschnitter (~derschnit@wrzb-4d00c02c.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 14:15.27 | Amarande | guh. blizz. when are you going to disable p2p patch transfers by default and make it opt-in :| |
| 14:16.42 | *** join/#wowhead derschnitter1 (~derschnit@wrzb-4d00c02c.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 14:16.44 | Amarande | really. it's a bit big of them to make it opt-out. especially with WoW (since I've actually paid for that, and it's a lot bigger). we PAY for their software, then they expect most of us to be willing to also donate our bandwidth resources to them to assist others in acquiring their games *sigh* |
| 14:16.53 | Amarande | keep in mind that I'm American, and most American ISPs have monthly caps. |
| 14:20.26 | Amarande | you know, that might be one of the few good things if the government ever bans P2P at the behest of Hollywood. launchers would have to be redesigned so we don't waste any of our monthly transfer allotment on serving patches to other players at all, let alone by default. :) heh |
| 14:26.08 | Amarande | :( can't play WoW while installing D3, apparently. :( |
| 14:28.04 | *** join/#wowhead TNSe (~evil@ti0042a380-dhcp5263.bb.online.no) |
| 14:33.18 | Amarande | one blizz game with a blizz launcher apparently won't run if you're running another blizz launcher already. |
| 14:47.56 | *** join/#wowhead ScorpioCRO (~scorpiocr@cpe-188-129-66-229.dynamic.amis.hr) |
| 14:48.49 | kullervo | Amarande: p2p enabled by default is technically the best alternative though |
| 14:48.53 | *** join/#wowhead quickfa (bcddf6c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.221.246.193) |
| 14:49.27 | quickfa | Hello. How do I search the item database for items that require valor points AND are NOT cloth NOT plate etc.? |
| 14:49.58 | kullervo | quickfa: requires valor is leather |
| 14:50.56 | quickfa | but I also want it to show rings etc. |
| 14:51.09 | quickfa | basically, I am looking for the NOT operator |
| 14:51.22 | kullervo | maybe "can be used by class" then |
| 14:51.37 | kullervo | you can't have "not" |
| 14:51.43 | quickfa | but e.g. hunters can use leather AND cloth, but cloth is useless |
| 14:51.51 | kullervo | so is leather |
| 14:52.01 | quickfa | ok, mail then for high lvl |
| 14:52.43 | Amarande | kullervo: well, I suppose it wouldn't get used much at all if it was opt-in, and be rather useless then heh |
| 14:53.01 | Amarande | pretty much like how Microsoft has apparently, annoyingly, enabled a certain Windows 8 feature by default that can cause ... *drum roll* ... boot errors |
| 14:53.31 | Amarande | from what I read about it, it's because certain of your hardware (the GPU, especially) needs to support the fast boot properly or you can get all sorts of issues on boot |
| 14:54.08 | Amarande | which ... quite a lot of hardware (especially almost all AMD based video cards, only a very few 7 series Radeons from a very specific manufacturer support it and that's it atm, apparently) doesn't. |
| 14:54.40 | Amarande | the thought seems to be that MS is doing this in order to put the pressure on hardware makers to support it, because otherwise the feature would just die a silent and ignored death for want of support |
| 14:56.11 | Amarande | which sounds perhaps kind of reasonable, since I'm pretty sure the graveyards of technology are littered with could have been useful features that died that way |
| 14:57.30 | Amarande | if you wait for enough support that you can eventually enable it by default, probably what happens is that the hardware makers don't feel it a big enough priority to support it since it's a non-default option, then you never get the critical mass to make it *become* the default like you might have liked it to and it becomes just another dead feature :) |
| 14:58.31 | Amarande | also |
| 14:58.34 | Amarande | you need a not operator. :) |
| 14:58.51 | Amarande | even if it has to be done as tediously as adding in reversed filters for options |
| 14:59.04 | Amarande | e.g. "can't be used by class" |
| 15:15.02 | *** join/#wowhead neutronimity (~neutronim@f051174004.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 15:15.03 | *** join/#wowhead neutronimity (~neutronim@unaffiliated/neutronimity) |
| 15:15.03 | *** mode/#wowhead [+o neutronimity] by ChanServ |
| 15:31.30 | *** join/#wowhead pelf (~nazrhyn@c-69-251-6-10.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) |
| 15:37.16 | *** join/#wowhead JunkHead (~JunkHead@173-19-106-120.client.mchsi.com) |
| 15:48.05 | *** join/#wowhead N3wB (43beecbe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.190.236.190) |
| 15:48.34 | Amarande | hmmmm |
| 15:48.38 | Amarande | downloading data for an upcoming patch |
| 15:48.47 | Amarande | I guess that means that 5.2 has been upgraded from "soon" to "real soon now" |
| 15:49.28 | fewyn | not real soon but probably pretty soon |
| 15:49.32 | fewyn | early next month |
| 15:49.46 | fewyn | would be my guess |
| 15:49.58 | kullervo | trillium's going to sell like mad |
| 15:51.03 | fewyn | i say that Amarande because http://www.wowhead.com/news=210572/news-round-up-wow-at-9-6-million-subscribers-currency-conversions-ptr-testing |
| 15:51.06 | Amarande | why trillium? |
| 15:51.14 | fewyn | the test unlock schedule for the new daily hub |
| 15:51.15 | kullervo | legendary quest |
| 15:54.06 | Amarande | I'm still pondering how much of a game breaker these legendary meta gems rate to be |
| 15:54.18 | kullervo | not very |
| 15:54.39 | Amarande | probably more so than the first set of legendary gems, since with the piss-poor drop rates in LFR there's quite a lot of people who don't even have an eligible socket :P |
| 15:54.51 | JunkHead | Anyone know a good looking blue staff that'd go well with Shaman Tier 6? |
| 15:54.56 | JunkHead | http://www.wowhead.com/itemset=682#. |
| 15:55.13 | kullervo | JunkHead: http://deazeroth.blogspot.fi/ |
| 15:55.16 | Amarande | but yeah, thinking more about the health of the JC profession, and about whether people will start being expected to have a legendary meta as baseline raid gear |
| 15:55.37 | JunkHead | oooh ty |
| 15:56.44 | Amarande | hmmm |
| 15:56.44 | Amarande | http://www.wowhead.com/items=2.10?filter=qu=2:3:4;color=Blue |
| 15:57.12 | kullervo | apparently, the "blue" filter is invalid |
| 15:57.15 | fewyn | i've stopped making meta gems |
| 15:57.16 | kullervo | because that shows all the staves |
| 15:57.18 | fewyn | because of 5.2 |
| 15:57.37 | kullervo | fewyn: I still plan to sell raw ones |
| 15:57.39 | Amarande | fewyn: are we talking basically "if you use a regular meta gem after 5.2, you might as well have just used a cata one"? |
| 15:57.48 | fewyn | no |
| 15:58.00 | fewyn | i just expect them not to sell after a month or two |
| 15:58.02 | kullervo | cut gem prices will drop |
| 15:58.11 | Amarande | yeah, JCs are suffering pretty bad this time I think |
| 15:58.23 | Amarande | not just because of the meta thing, but also because gear seems to average fewer sockets than previously |
| 15:58.24 | fewyn | i'm doing okayish |
| 15:58.27 | fewyn | but i deal in bulk |
| 15:58.31 | kullervo | that's why I leveled an enchanter to 600 and will level one or two alchemists too |
| 15:58.37 | kullervo | used to do fine with just JC |
| 15:58.52 | Amarande | I would have thought they'd introduce the epic gems with 5.2 to counterbalance the loss of the meta market |
| 15:58.58 | Amarande | but I'm guessing they're saving those for Orgrimmar :S |
| 15:59.31 | fewyn | well you guys all have fun i'm leaving to goto http://espnwwos.disney.go.com/events/pro/wdw-pro-soccer-classic/ |
| 15:59.45 | kullervo | atm JCs don't even gain anything in pvp |
| 15:59.58 | Amarande | they seem to have decided to leave the epic gems for later lately |
| 16:00.15 | Amarande | in BC we got them at the beginning of T6, so they were really around for most of BC |
| 16:01.00 | Amarande | Wrath apparently we got them as early as T8, so they were around for most of Wrath, too |
| 16:01.31 | kullervo | cataclysm, I didn't even get to see them |
| 16:01.32 | Amarande | then in Cata they not only saved them for final tier, but also made them much more restricted to acquire (and thus apparently gave rise to duping exploits, making one wary of buying red epic gems) |
| 16:02.07 | Amarande | and in MoP they seem to be saving them for final tier again, and that's despite the fact that the legendary quest chain strongly suggests offering them sooner to bolster JCs' marketability |
| 16:02.55 | Amarande | It also makes you wonder about the next expansion, too |
| 16:03.25 | Amarande | whether the NEXT expansion meta gem market may be impaired by the legendaries as well, depending on what the stat scaling is like then |
| 16:03.58 | Amarande | also on how insanely expensive 6.0 meta gems are on the AH at the get go |
| 16:04.50 | kullervo | Amarande: I'm sure the procs will have diminishing returns |
| 16:04.57 | kullervo | like most seemingly really good low lvl stuff |
| 16:05.54 | Amarande | and yeah, having PvP gems be pre-cuts was also an insanely boneheaded thing to do to JCs |
| 16:09.31 | Amarande | oh yeah, speaking of gems, looking at some D3 patch notes and their comments and just shaking my head at D3 players again |
| 16:09.51 | Amarande | mostly on the "you guys must have seriously never played a Diablo game before this one" line :P |
| 16:10.39 | Amarande | mostly, they're QQing about a Diablo game because it has the kind of gameplay that ... well ... anyone who's ever played a Diablo game, even if they've never played D3, knows Diablo games *have* :P |
| 16:11.04 | Amarande | "WTF, there's nothing else to do after you finish the acts but go back through the acts and farm loot?" |
| 16:11.22 | Amarande | "They can't make you acquire this many of these to transmute up to this, could they?" |
| 16:11.26 | Amarande | "This is too rare!" |
| 16:12.13 | JunkHead | http://www.wowhead.com/item=49793#comments |
| 16:12.16 | JunkHead | woot first try |
| 16:12.36 | kullervo | lucky |
| 16:12.50 | JunkHead | well it drops in normal mode |
| 16:12.57 | JunkHead | so i couldve spammed it if needed |
| 16:13.07 | JunkHead | its not a perfect match, but its close |
| 16:13.32 | kullervo | the fire is very shaman like |
| 16:14.30 | Amarande | also, speaking of expansions and release of items and such |
| 16:14.43 | Amarande | ever wish they'd go back to the vanilla model where there was some sense of surprise as to what later content would be? |
| 16:15.09 | kullervo | nah. Such content won't feel like it fits the lore |
| 16:15.12 | Amarande | these days, we seem to already have a general mostly spoiled idea of the evolution of the whole expansion pack's content pretty much from the get go |
| 16:15.22 | Amarande | kullervo: vanilla stuff fit the lore |
| 16:15.30 | kullervo | well, it did |
| 16:15.35 | Amarande | but, you wouldn't have known, say, early on in vanilla that Naxxramas would happen to be the final raid |
| 16:15.52 | kullervo | what I attempted to say was that vanilla stuff was rather random |
| 16:16.11 | Amarande | or even that it would be a raid, I suppose, unless you were really paying attention in EPL as opposed to (as was more likely there) trying not to get your ass kicked by arcane missiles toting high level undead |
| 16:16.14 | kullervo | while from tbc on we started seeing more BBEG focused raids |
| 16:16.42 | Amarande | whereas OTOH you'd probably have expected something like AQ, since the silithid were so heavily emphasised in pre-cata Kalimdor questlines |
| 16:17.18 | kullervo | yet they feel very out of place |
| 16:17.23 | Amarande | and usually we end up knowing who the BBEG will be before the expansion is even available for pre-order :| |
| 16:18.35 | Amarande | also, except for a few little bones-thrown (RS, especially), once the BBEG is put live, no matter how long it takes till the next expansion we never get another raid |
| 16:18.56 | Amarande | (which is probably blamable for player fatigue towards the end of expansions) |
| 16:19.13 | hylje | not enough asspulls |
| 16:19.31 | hylje | didn't wotlk get a raid after LK? |
| 16:19.34 | Amarande | at least they could open up another chamber below wyrmrest with a new loot pinata to tide things over like they did with RS :) |
| 16:19.36 | Amarande | yeah, that was RS |
| 16:19.51 | Amarande | and actually I probably shouldn't call Halion a loot pinata |
| 16:19.58 | Amarande | he was at least as hard as any boss in ICC, except maybe LK himself |
| 16:20.32 | hylje | blizzard could put a bunch of new raids old expansion content |
| 16:20.43 | hylje | they probably even have old aborted concepts to draw upon |
| 16:21.55 | Amarande | yeah, I wonder if someday they'll actually put in that Vashj'ir raid that was canned back in 4.1 |
| 16:22.15 | Amarande | do we have any idea yet what the next expansion will be? |
| 16:22.26 | hylje | and it's a nice way to de-streamline the game and show that stuff is supposed to happen elsewhere in the world than the xpac continent de jour |
| 16:22.42 | Amarande | (which probably is something they could do with announcing "soon" - especially since trade is already rife with rumours that MoP is the finale of WoW) |
| 16:23.47 | kullervo | because the emeral dream has been scrapped as a project |
| 16:24.01 | hylje | if no more xpacs are going to be produced, it's going to be content patches all the way down |
| 16:24.23 | kullervo | and the remaining goblin isles |
| 16:24.40 | hylje | content patches that cannibalize aborted content for the most part |
| 16:25.00 | Amarande | until finally we have to come face to face with that roll of toilet paper :) |
| 16:25.35 | Amarande | heh |
| 16:25.40 | Amarande | old joke I had about the end of WoW a while ago |
| 16:25.46 | Amarande | eventually, they'll run out of things to put in |
| 16:26.04 | Amarande | but to keep subscribers, you can never let people finish ALL the content or they'll be like "there's nothing to do!" and unsub |
| 16:26.36 | Amarande | so eventually, the very very last boss of WoW would be made entirely unbeatable (although of course only JUST, so that players could keep feeling like "well, if we can do just a wee tad better, just maybe ..." but never quite managing it) |
| 16:26.43 | Amarande | so that there'd always be something for people to keep attempting |
| 16:26.54 | Amarande | hence, a roll of toilet paper, because what do you always do with toilet paper? :) |
| 16:27.02 | Amarande | it wipes your ass, that's what :D |
| 16:27.49 | hylje | heh |
| 16:27.55 | hylje | and it slowly whittles down |
| 16:28.03 | Amarande | heh |
| 16:28.07 | Amarande | wonder who that very last boss would be |
| 16:28.09 | Amarande | possibly Sargeras |
| 16:28.23 | Amarande | since I think there's lore reasons as to why you shouldn't be able to actually beat him as a team of mere mortals |
| 16:28.33 | Amarande | but, the way the lore goes, it's almost certain that eventually the player must meet him |
| 16:29.25 | Amarande | and then when they finally get to the point where WoW no longer generates revenue enough and decide to shut it down |
| 16:29.51 | Amarande | then they have him all ready to come out into the world with his legions and the Legion really does conquer all that last Monday night before the servers go down for the last time |
| 16:31.08 | hylje | i think it's unlikely that WoW ever really shuts down, more scales down down to a skeleton bugfix crew |
| 16:31.44 | Amarande | actually, yeah, that's probably the case |
| 16:31.56 | Amarande | and all the servers CRZ'd into a single pool for the people who are left |
| 16:32.09 | Amarande | heck. you can still play WC2 and the original Diablo on b.net right? |
| 16:32.34 | kullervo | Amarande: the dawn of mortals is here, and we are now the defenders of azeroth |
| 16:33.47 | Amarande | hmm, hopefully that doesn't really mean there isn't any more major content after Orgrimmar and the existing MoP plans really aren't the end come to think of it :| |
| 16:33.54 | Amarande | it just occurred to me one of the sadder aspects of CRZ |
| 16:34.07 | Amarande | they could, in fact, be getting ready for the sunset of WoW, as it's a way to gradually let the game down gently |
| 16:34.50 | Amarande | whereas outright server mergers would do it chaotically as not only would the subscriber base be tailing off, but the people that remain becoming increasingly pissed as more and more of their character names and such are taken when servers merge and they lose the coin toss so they have to change |
| 16:35.59 | Amarande | they're also making PvP gear much more accessible after a very long period of being very adamant about making it hard to get. |
| 16:36.57 | Amarande | could that be an attempt to increase the popularity of PvP? |
| 16:37.26 | Amarande | (which is also something you'd want to do if you're winding down on content generation, because PvP lets players make their own challenges which in turn means they're still got plenty to do even when you're finished) |
| 16:38.34 | Amarande | the later days of successful MMOs is something that seems like a still murky thing in terms of game paradigms |
| 16:38.36 | kullervo | Amarande: actually it won't be any easier to get, just faster if you suddenly have more time than before |
| 16:38.55 | Amarande | I'm still wondering what LOTRO will do when they hit the end of the LOTR storyline |
| 16:39.22 | Amarande | kullervo: it only requires time now, pretty much, though |
| 16:39.28 | Amarande | or will in 5.2 |
| 16:39.51 | Amarande | from 2.4-5.2, the better gear, and especially the weapons which irritatingly were rarely if ever provided in anything but the "top flight elite" tier :| |
| 16:40.08 | kullervo | the top elite get better weapons though |
| 16:40.21 | kullervo | all pvp players can get weapons because they'd HAVE to raid otherwise |
| 16:40.40 | Amarande | used to require high enough ratings that it seems like, comparing WoW to other forms of sport, you basically have to be the equivalent of Tom Brady or Kobe Bryant or Magnus Carlsen to get them :P |
| 16:41.29 | Amarande | I've often compared it to if FIDE suddenly decided that in officially sanctioned tournaments, you had to be a Grandmaster to be allowed to have use of your Queen. :) |
| 16:42.51 | Amarande | the only real equivalent I've seen in any sport (physical or mind) to WoW's restrictions, and even then only a foggy parallel, is in bridge, where typically more advanced bidding techniques are only allowed in higher-tier events |
| 16:43.34 | kullervo | took me a moment until I recalled it's a card game |
| 16:43.43 | Amarande | and yeah, it's only a foggy parallel |
| 16:43.56 | Amarande | because a powerful hand in bridge is a powerful hand even if you're only allowed basic Standard American :) |
| 16:44.15 | Amarande | whereas not being allowed higher end PvP gear makes you an inherently weaker combatant in WoW |
| 16:46.06 | Amarande | however, bridge is the only sport of any sort I can think of outside of WoW's PvP "e-sport" where how far you've climbed the totem pole directly impacts the actual tools available to you to play the game |
| 16:47.11 | kullervo | tbh you have the same tools, but the quality of them increases with your gear |
| 16:47.31 | JunkHead | hmm... gonna need to do hyjal raid today i think |
| 16:47.54 | kullervo | JunkHead: get killed by death & decay |
| 16:48.02 | JunkHead | haha done that before |
| 16:48.06 | JunkHead | that shit is no joke.:( |
| 16:48.10 | kullervo | I've never :P |
| 16:48.20 | JunkHead | i did on my warrior. first time trying to solo it |
| 16:48.25 | JunkHead | havent since. |
| 16:48.37 | JunkHead | yay darkmoon card sold |
| 16:48.40 | kullervo | I knew of that ability thanks to tbc raid experience |
| 16:48.56 | JunkHead | i had forgotten everything.:\ |
| 16:49.00 | kullervo | so on my paladin, I equipped pvp trinket "just to make sure, I recall people used these back then" |
| 16:49.01 | *** join/#wowhead Desires (~Paola@ool-43561c83.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 16:49.16 | JunkHead | i got a shield for my t6 set |
| 16:49.25 | JunkHead | going after dagger now |
| 16:53.01 | kullervo | aah the slight lucid feeling provided by caffeine |
| 16:56.19 | kullervo | Amarande: and how very futile has the millions upon millions of gold acquired been, as there's no more any uses for it |
| 16:56.45 | JunkHead | lol got the dagger.:P |
| 16:57.09 | Amarande | kullervo: hyperinflation seems to be pretty much an inherent danger of almost every MMORPG |
| 16:57.30 | Amarande | it's probably also why Blizzard is making the new gems in D3 so horrendously expensive |
| 16:57.43 | Amarande | although there's one conspiracy theorist who's insisting it's to make you have to buy gold from the RMAH |
| 16:57.48 | kullervo | Amarande: funnily enough, in many MMORPGs only the very top lvl gear is hyperinflated because the players who buy that stuff can easily acquire the gold |
| 16:58.10 | Amarande | apparently they must have forgotten that blizz doesn't put up stuff on RMAH themselves, it's all player stuff :P |
| 16:58.32 | kullervo | blizzard doesn't even take a cut as I've understood |
| 16:58.55 | Amarande | hmm, is there a cut for gold? I thought they took a cut from certain things |
| 16:59.02 | Amarande | they also get a cut whenever someone cashes out instead of taking bobby bucks |
| 16:59.33 | Amarande | but yeah, some MMORPGs do keep the inflation better controlled |
| 16:59.37 | Amarande | LOTRO seems to be pretty good at it for one |
| 17:00.17 | Amarande | for two reasons in particular, one is that they don't inflate quest reward money or item vendor prices to anywhere near the degree WoW has over the expansions |
| 17:00.27 | Amarande | two is that you're a lot more dependent on vendors than in WoW |
| 17:01.04 | Amarande | e.g., food ... in WoW, food is produced almost entirely from found in the wild mats, and the mats that are not are usually bought for special currency rather than gold, so the only time food removes gold from the economy is when Blizz takes an AH cut |
| 17:01.42 | Amarande | in LOTRO, all or virtually all the raw mats for player-produced food ultimately come from vendors |
| 17:02.10 | Amarande | and buff food has an insanely short duration so you go through a lot more of it too |
| 17:17.04 | Mr_Rabies | vendors aren't particularly interesting, honestly |
| 17:17.09 | Mr_Rabies | i see them as a necessary evil |
| 17:17.24 | Mr_Rabies | that should be used as a last resort or with a specific design goal in mind |
| 17:20.05 | Amarande | well, it's pretty much because much like MoP (though in a somewhat different mechanics way), LOTRO cooking relies heavily on farming |
| 17:20.23 | *** join/#wowhead jamphat (~jamphay@66-44-29-175.c3-0.129-ubr1.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com) |
| 17:20.25 | Amarande | so it's a consistent gold sink because, like in MoP, to farm, you have to buy the seeds from the vendors and plant them |
| 17:21.01 | Mr_Rabies | i think there are plenty of gold sinks in the game to not hinder those without a lot of gold from basic things like food |
| 17:26.19 | kullervo | current largest gold sinks in wow in no particular order: repairs, reforges, fancy mounts |
| 17:32.51 | Amarande | ehh, it didn't really so much hinder people from basic things like food as ensure that a large percentage of incoming gold went back out of the economy |
| 17:33.28 | Amarande | the idea being that the ratio between gold you bring in to gold that you have to spend on necessities should not become too radically large |
| 17:33.44 | Amarande | something which became a serious issue with WoW at some point (BC I think?) |
| 17:34.19 | Amarande | yeah BC was a major breaking point I think |
| 17:35.07 | Amarande | because the cost of flying (especially epic flying) was so large, primarily |
| 17:35.37 | Amarande | also because the difficulty of getting into raiding with the progression based paradigm resulted in a lot of players with little to do but do their dailies and bring more and more gold into the system |
| 17:46.41 | *** join/#wowhead jamphat (~jamphay@66-44-29-175.c3-0.129-ubr1.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com) |
| 18:04.35 | *** join/#wowhead Aludian (~kvirc@pool-173-67-21-34.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) |
| 18:11.43 | *** join/#wowhead Thargor (4dbc0e1a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.188.14.26) |
| 18:11.49 | Thargor | hello |
| 18:12.12 | Thargor | lf someone to send me a sor |
| 18:15.56 | Amarande | I would if you're in the US, but I'll first let someone else volunteer, since I already have my spectral mount and would rather someone who hasn't got it yet have the chance. :) |
| 18:27.04 | Thargor | :) should hav ementioned: looking for scroll of resurrection on EU server :) |
| 18:36.12 | Sargeth | I can send a sor on EU |
| 18:36.17 | Sargeth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.45 | *** join/#wowhead Desires (~Paola@ool-43561c83.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 19:02.50 | Thargor | hi, looking for eu scroll of resurrection |
| 19:23.35 | Sargeth | I'm here, will do it now |
| 19:42.38 | Thargor | thanks alot sargeth |
| 19:51.09 | Sargeth | Pleasure :) |
| 19:54.35 | Mr_Rabies | i really wish openraid had support for 5 man content :( |
| 20:00.59 | Jammer | just make raid for 5man? :p |
| 20:04.44 | kullervo | I don't get the point of openraid |
| 20:05.12 | Mr_Rabies | it's awesome, kullervo |
| 20:05.21 | Mr_Rabies | preformed raids on content that people don't really run much anymore |
| 20:05.35 | Mr_Rabies | instead of spending hours trying to get a group together for firelands and having it fall apart |
| 20:05.56 | Amarande | well, PUGs for firelands are probably going to fall apart anyway |
| 20:06.01 | Mr_Rabies | not at all on openraid |
| 20:06.09 | Amarande | mostly because of all the casters as they start fighting over who should get the dragonwrath pieces :P |
| 20:06.37 | Mr_Rabies | no way, that stuff's already settled before the run |
| 20:06.49 | Mr_Rabies | openraid has a reputation system, etc |
| 20:07.05 | Mr_Rabies | don't show up for a raid you signed up for, you get a hit to your reputation and probably some negative comments on your profile |
| 20:07.24 | Mr_Rabies | be a jerk, same thing |
| 20:07.32 | Mr_Rabies | it's a great system |
| 20:07.40 | Mr_Rabies | i really hope something gets implemented similarly within wow itself |
| 20:08.12 | Amarande | it's only a great system because it's from a subset of the community that actively chooses to participate in it |
| 20:08.16 | *** join/#wowhead nmt (~Anmity@h79n1c1o851.bredband.skanova.com) |
| 20:08.22 | Amarande | similar systems tend to backfire when imposed on MMOs as a whole, to some or other degree |
| 20:08.48 | Mr_Rabies | eh, i think it'd work well if implemented properly |
| 20:08.52 | Amarande | typically because instead of rooting out the douchebags, the douchebags use it to gang up on people who complain about THEM being douchebags by mass reporting them so they get the auto-disciplinary bat |
| 20:09.42 | Mr_Rabies | global chat, ratings system, good interface |
| 20:09.58 | Amarande | especially if the douchebaggery consists of ultra-competitive testosterone overdosed teen boys feeling they have the right to get everyone who's not as ultra-competitive in trouble because their lack of zeal is dragging THEIR "I'm better than you" fun down |
| 20:10.32 | Amarande | though, really, the problem there isn't so much the paradigm, as the fact that an automated reputation system is inherently vulnerable to this. |
| 20:10.49 | Amarande | just like when comments on wowhead get unjustifiably downvoted |
| 20:11.23 | Mr_Rabies | it's a flaw in ratings systems, but it's still better than not having a ratings system at all |
| 20:12.43 | Amarande | actually, also the fact that it is a voluntary system run by community folks makes it superior |
| 20:12.52 | Mr_Rabies | no one would ever argue for removing a ratings system on an online store was a good thing |
| 20:12.55 | Amarande | the above dismal scenario seems to be something that corporate-run systems are most vulnerable to |
| 20:13.07 | Mr_Rabies | they're pretty important, if not perfect |
| 20:13.35 | Amarande | because the need to retain the most customers/traffic means that all too often, the moderators are made to side with the larger group and punish the smaller even if they were in the right |
| 20:14.17 | Amarande | e.g., on GameFAQs, where one gets the impression that if a board gets significantly elitist enough, to *not* comply with that cultural flow is to be actionable, or give you the feeling that you at least *might* be actioned, as trolling, because you're provoking the majority even if you're in the right :| |
| 20:14.47 | Amarande | I'm more saying it would be different if Blizzard ran it than if a community without a vested financial interest does |
| 20:15.11 | Amarande | if Blizzard ran it it would probably go to pot due to the need to please whichever segment of the customer base is larger when there's an insoluble row |
| 20:15.40 | Mr_Rabies | just ban people who abuse the system from the system |
| 20:16.05 | Amarande | and meanwhile, the person who got ganged up on by excessive people reporting them simply to be jerks is still stuck with their warning mark |
| 20:16.17 | Amarande | and has to live with the fact that they're one step closer to a ban themselves, for no good reason |
| 20:16.58 | Amarande | again the corporate/community difference |
| 20:17.22 | Amarande | if you're in a community structure, then yeah, if 25 jerks gang up on someone to bully them and be a jerk just because they disagree with them, then you issue a mass ban |
| 20:18.17 | Amarande | in a corporate structure, then you may have insoluble pressure from your manager to actually tell the *bullied person* sorry but you're just not compatible with the community apparently, please keep it down in the future, because the same mass ban means you've just tossed out 25 times as much money to save one customer |
| 20:19.20 | Amarande | probably why strict automated vote-kicks are common in games in general. keeping the popular bunch usually works out well in business. :| |
| 20:20.23 | Amarande | so yeah, openraid is a great idea, but to couple it more strongly to subscriber dollars by making it part of WoW is likely to enhance the negatives |
| 20:20.55 | Amarande | actually, ratings systems on online stores are ... problematic as well |
| 20:21.34 | Amarande | like computer hardware that has oodles of 1 star ratings because people don't realise there's a certain percentage of hardware that slips through manufacturer QA no matter what, so they're like "MY UNIT WAS DOA THIS THING SUCKS YADDA" |
| 20:22.29 | Amarande | or ebay, where you are forced to inflate your detailed rating of sellers, because ebay wants to position itself as a serious market for businesses and not a flea market, so any "okay or better" rating has to become a 5-star because if the seller's ratings slip visibly below five stars they risk a ban |
| 20:22.41 | Amarande | even though "okay" is supposed to really be 3-stars, and 5 to be reserved for "super awesome" |
| 20:24.03 | Amarande | sell to too many reasonable people who don't "play the game" of business and marketing and you may very well find yourself with three-star detailed ratings and a suspension for making ebay look bad |
| 21:21.06 | g0urra | artwork for new night elf model http://i.imgur.com/2HByy0Q.jpg |
| 21:22.31 | b4k4^^ | :D |
| 21:25.18 | *** join/#wowhead Funkeh` (~funkydude@5ada2baf.bb.sky.com) |
| 21:25.19 | *** join/#wowhead Funkeh` (~funkydude@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/BigWigs/funkeh) |
| 21:26.03 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] 2013 Love is in the Air (February 10 - February 23) Guide - http://www.wowhead.com/news=210480/2013-love-is-in-the-air-february-10-february-23-guide |
| 21:26.38 | Amarande | yay two-week love is in the air this time |
| 21:26.51 | Amarande | hmm. will it actually not be a RNG-nailbiting pain in the ass to get the title this time? :) |
| 21:29.02 | Jammer | the rocket better drop this year :I |
| 21:30.58 | Amarande | hmm, can we mug Snagglebolt? |
| 21:31.15 | Amarande | YOU! YOU'RE THE ONE WHO'S BEEN HOGGING ALL THE KHORIUM WHILE WE HAD TO STRUGGLE THROUGH BC BARELY FINDING IT! HAND IT OVER BUDDY! |
| 21:31.17 | Amarande | :) |
| 21:31.53 | Amarande | sure, he has enough to make stuff out of it to hand people for fun holiday events, but we have to toil endlessly to find enough for our Jeeves and roflcopter! Bastard! :) |
| 21:36.37 | b4k4^^ | pink love rocket <3 |
| 21:40.15 | Amarande | hmm |
| 21:40.21 | Amarande | the bouquets drop on cata, or panda dungeons now? |
| 21:59.45 | *** join/#wowhead oscarucb (~oscarucb@rrcs-70-62-174-234.central.biz.rr.com) |
| 22:19.53 | *** join/#wowhead AB3Ham (~AB3Ham@unaffiliated/ab3ham) |
| 22:57.16 | *** join/#wowhead oscarucb (~oscarucb@108-93-244-249.lightspeed.clmboh.sbcglobal.net) |
| 23:06.32 | *** join/#wowhead Stormkitty (~Derf@unaffiliated/stormscape) |
| 23:20.14 | *** join/#wowhead Lugburz (~Lugburz@207.207.120.209) |
| 23:23.21 | *** join/#wowhead derschnitter2 (~derschnit@wrzb-4d00c02c.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 23:25.33 | *** join/#wowhead hcoutant (5d0d7c23@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.13.124.35) |
| 23:32.53 | Jammer | hmm guess I should level few more alts to max level quickly to get them into the love is in the air grind |
| 23:33.26 | Jammer | can 89s join the dungeon ? |
| 23:38.20 | *** join/#wowhead KaNNis (~kanniss@130.185.244.96) |
| 23:41.54 | *** join/#wowhead one_zero (blah@ip68-5-235-194.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 23:49.22 | Mr_Rabies | i forsee them remaking the holiday dungeons as scenarios eventually |
| 23:50.57 | Amarande | healers will hate them for that :| |
| 23:51.19 | Amarande | maybe even tanks, too |
| 23:51.29 | jane | why? |
| 23:51.41 | Eraclito | i hope they do that |
| 23:51.44 | Eraclito | i really hope |
| 23:52.01 | jane | scenarios would be fantastic for everyone |
| 23:52.03 | Amarande | jane: scenarios tend to be heavily slanted towards DPS characters (probably because that's what most players are, and they take 3 un-differentiated toons) |
| 23:52.03 | Eraclito | i'm so sick of queues. also, they would be funnier as scenarios |
| 23:52.31 | jane | Amarande: that would be a good thing imo |
| 23:52.33 | Amarande | in at least some of them (Theramore in particular, apparently) people groan whenever they get healer and/or tank classes in the group |
| 23:52.40 | jane | and some scenarios ive gone tank/heal instead of dps because its more helpful |
| 23:52.42 | Amarande | because it means at best the instance is going to take a lot longer |
| 23:52.54 | jane | but you'd have less incredibly stupid people queueing as tank/heal to jump the queue for holiday bosses |
| 23:53.16 | Amarande | heh, aren't the holiday bosses usually wimpy enough that it doesn't matter? |
| 23:53.18 | Jammer | why did they move the entrance inside now? have to kill baron and wait for rp to start now -_-' |
| 23:53.21 | jane | so sick of healing tanks in shit for gear |
| 23:53.30 | jane | really? direbrew anyone? |
| 23:53.37 | Mr_Rabies | people get two specs |
| 23:53.39 | jane | i was popping cooldowns in a dungeon |
| 23:53.43 | Mr_Rabies | one of those really should be dps nowadays |
| 23:53.56 | Amarande | hm, I don't really remember direbrew being all that hard, but that was ... I think the Wrath version |
| 23:54.21 | jane | wrath was a faceroll |
| 23:54.33 | Mr_Rabies | the cata version was rough because everyone was fighting him in greens |
| 23:54.43 | jane | but the panda version sucked ass because everyone had just turned 90 |
| 23:54.43 | Mr_Rabies | or in my case, purples from heroic DS |
| 23:54.48 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 23:54.52 | jane | and people were doing like, level 85 dps |
| 23:54.52 | Mr_Rabies | not the cata, the mop |
| 23:54.53 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 23:54.55 | Amarande | well, I more mean, just how much does the difficulty fluctuate on direbrew |
| 23:55.03 | jane | ive had some fights take 10 minutes |
| 23:55.10 | jane | it was brutal |
| 23:55.17 | Amarande | that's because mop came out at a strange time of year, though |
| 23:55.19 | Mr_Rabies | it depends on how far long the expansion the boss is available |
| 23:55.21 | jane | level 89 tanks pretty much needed a good healer or 3 good dps to survive |
| 23:55.29 | Mr_Rabies | it's not gonna be tough this year |
| 23:55.40 | Amarande | usually, expansions come out so that there's almost a year till coren and HH |
| 23:55.49 | jane | well they didnt take that into consideration |
| 23:55.55 | Amarande | I am not sure why they rushed MoP |
| 23:55.56 | jane | HH sucked if your group sucked too |
| 23:56.00 | jane | and so did ahune |
| 23:56.12 | Amarande | although I have heard it had to do with that the annual passes were going to start ending in October |
| 23:56.16 | jane | and you have people on alts rushing to get gear too so its like worse :/ |
| 23:56.18 | Mr_Rabies | i tanked ahune in cat form usually |
| 23:56.21 | Amarande | and they had to have something to sell to justify that they gave away Diablo III to those people |
| 23:56.30 | Mr_Rabies | since there's not really anything to tank |
| 23:56.43 | Mr_Rabies | just aoe the hell out of the adds |
| 23:56.47 | jane | and i was reallllly glad for crz for metzen |
| 23:57.01 | Amarande | what was greench like this year, anyway? I only ever saw him dead |
| 23:57.05 | jane | nothing to tank, but some people were soo squishy |
| 23:57.07 | Mr_Rabies | same as last year |
| 23:57.14 | Amarande | and the one time I saw the body he despawned too fast for me to see the HP or level or anything |
| 23:57.16 | jane | a faceroll, even better because of crz meaning you dont have to try to solo it :P |
| 23:57.19 | Mr_Rabies | a little tough, but not really |
| 23:57.22 | Amarande | I know in wrath he was kind of a wimpy level 35 or so elite |
| 23:57.32 | Mr_Rabies | in cata they made him a raid-style fight |
| 23:57.38 | Mr_Rabies | he has mechanics and stuff |
| 23:57.44 | Amarande | so more like omen, then |
| 23:57.54 | Mr_Rabies | he throws christmas trees at people |
| 23:58.09 | Mr_Rabies | and charges that spot in a few seconds |
| 23:58.26 | Mr_Rabies | and has like a minor enrage ability |
| 23:58.45 | Mr_Rabies | and shrinks his target's heart which may hurt quite a bit if they don't move |
