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| 10:04.42 | taurendruid | hey is anyone else here experiencing the error 144 |
| 10:04.45 | taurendruid | i mean 114 |
| 10:05.34 | taurendruid | i meant does anyone know how to fix it |
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| 11:16.06 | b4k4^^ | it's now raining there on Moonglade EU |
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| 16:24.49 | Elysa | yessss Reins of the Drake of the North Wind |
| 16:33.46 | fewyn | gz |
| 16:34.49 | Elysa | Thanks |
| 16:34.53 | Elysa | now to try for the Stonecore one |
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| 18:23.02 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] 5.2 PTR: New Reputations and Rewards Preview - http://www.wowhead.com/news=210532/5-2-ptr-new-reputations-and-rewards-preview |
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| 22:12.25 | Amarande | heh |
| 22:12.32 | Amarande | "Night will now fall at the proper time on all realms." |
| 22:13.12 | Amarande | This was a problem? :) |
| 22:13.15 | fewyn | yes |
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| 22:13.48 | b4k4^^ | :P |
| 22:13.48 | Amarande | mind you, if they'd just go the final step and move all the realms to PST, it probably wouldn't have been :) |
| 22:13.59 | Amarande | 'twould also, apparently, make a lot of happier addon authors |
| 22:14.05 | fewyn | yes but then people would complain about night being at weird hours |
| 22:14.07 | fewyn | for them |
| 22:14.34 | b4k4^^ | it's winter, the night *is* at weird hours |
| 22:14.35 | Amarande | I looked up on wowinterface to see whether/how the work was going on an update for Ara Broker Tradeskills, which now renders incorrect cooldown information (and I think skillet gives wrong CD times now too) |
| 22:14.38 | b4k4^^ | like most of the day |
| 22:14.55 | Amarande | and according to Alyred's comments, it looks like the present time system of 5.1 is surprisingly arduous to work with in an addon sense :( |
| 22:15.33 | Amarande | The trouble: It used to be that you only needed to know about the server time, and the rest would take care of itself, since on all servers CDs reset at the same server time |
| 22:15.34 | b4k4^^ | at least OmniCC seems to work right... |
| 22:15.50 | Amarande | Now, to accommodate the Cross Realm Zoo, as one person affectionately called it, all CDs reset at the same *time* |
| 22:15.58 | Amarande | which, however, is now a different *server time* on each realm |
| 22:16.00 | b4k4^^ | but it doesn't have tradeskill cds AFAIK |
| 22:16.20 | b4k4^^ | :D @ zoo |
| 22:16.39 | Amarande | And since addons see server time, rather than PST, that means now the addon has to go to the extra trouble to somehow figure out the *server time* at which stuff needs to reset, etc. |
| 22:17.23 | Amarande | Then there's the whole having to keep track of three times now pretty much. Your local time (your real life outside of WoW goes on this). Your realm time. And PST, if your realm's not West Coast. |
| 22:17.36 | Amarande | You know what's going to be the next piece of hardware you'll need to play WoW at this rate? |
| 22:17.51 | Amarande | One of those clock things like they have in hotels and airports where you have all the clocks marked LONDON, NEW YORK, SAN FRANCISCO, TOKYO ... :) |
| 22:17.58 | b4k4^^ | nah |
| 22:18.19 | Amarande | At least just put everything on PST, it would make it at least a little bit easier. :) |
| 22:18.25 | b4k4^^ | I probably only have to know realm time, or maybe offset versus UTC |
| 22:18.38 | Amarande | Some people are actually even saying that having MST, CST, and EST realms is almost false advertising now :S |
| 22:19.11 | b4k4^^ | I think the daily reset where I live used to be midnight realm, now is at 3 AM realm |
| 22:19.35 | b4k4^^ | (4 AM local :P) |
| 22:19.57 | Amarande | because, well, when you picked a server time zone, a large part of that was because the world events were thus tuned to be convenient for that time zone |
| 22:19.59 | b4k4^^ | who knows what it'll be when DST rolls around |
| 22:20.16 | Amarande | now they're all on PST, so the separate time zone servers don't really serve any purpose anymore but to make you scratch your head to figure out when things actually happen :P |
| 22:20.32 | Amarande | Yeah, it used to be midnight realm here, and now it's 6 AM |
| 22:21.25 | b4k4^^ | :P |
| 22:21.26 | Amarande | Sucks, really. I can't, say, do my Tuesday minor inscription research at midnight on Monday night, instead I have to wait till 6AM (and since 3AM PST is the usual end of the world in NA, that in turn means I have to wait till the later afternoon after maintenance, since the servers go down at reset) |
| 22:22.13 | b4k4^^ | EU servers tend to go down a couple of hours after reset |
| 22:22.27 | Amarande | On the good side, at least I can attend the Stranglethorn Fishing Extravaganza now |
| 22:22.40 | b4k4^^ | 6 AM is a good time to go to sleep :3 |
| 22:22.44 | Amarande | although, thanks to the Cross Realm Zoo, I'd probably better roll a character on The Venture Co if I want the best chance to win. :P |
| 22:23.11 | b4k4^^ | the Kalu'ak event isn't back yet, is it? |
| 22:23.24 | Amarande | nope. it's uncertain if it will ever be back, actually |
| 22:23.29 | b4k4^^ | heh |
| 22:23.44 | b4k4^^ | good thing I won that when I had the chance |
| 22:23.45 | Amarande | the Kalu'ak event was really hit hard by CRZ, even more so than the STV event |
| 22:23.53 | Amarande | well |
| 22:24.05 | Amarande | what they did was fold the Kalu'ak rewards into the Stranglethorn contest |
| 22:24.25 | b4k4^^ | (won both events on first try, successive days; you may now hate me) |
| 22:24.29 | Amarande | so if you win the Extravaganza, you can pick either one of the old school STV rewards or the pirate ring or whatever else you used to get from Kalu'ak |
| 22:24.39 | b4k4^^ | okay? |
| 22:24.43 | Amarande | heh |
| 22:24.44 | b4k4^^ | that's useful info |
| 22:24.54 | b4k4^^ | could use the ring for my alts |
| 22:24.57 | Amarande | also, now the first *three* turn-ins in the STV contest are winners, instead of just the first |
| 22:25.32 | Amarande | of course, you still can't get Salty, unless they actually hotfixed that one achievement. |
| 22:25.41 | Eraclito | then i should start trying STV contest again |
| 22:25.46 | b4k4^^ | which I have already |
| 22:25.52 | b4k4^^ | missing only the rare fish |
| 22:26.18 | b4k4^^ | have missed it for close to a year now |
| 22:26.29 | Amarande | ugh rare fish |
| 22:26.34 | b4k4^^ | not that I've been too active wrt it since MoP launched |
| 22:26.36 | Amarande | I still need the stupid alpha spinefish for pandarian angler, too |
| 22:27.03 | b4k4^^ | [Stupid Alpha Spinefish] :) |
| 22:27.10 | Amarande | the other side effect of the time change is I expect it's going to impact the AH pretty nastily :| |
| 22:27.14 | b4k4^^ | +infty armor |
| 22:27.30 | Amarande | especially for East Coast servers |
| 22:27.56 | Amarande | see, one thing that was fairly common was for alchemists to be able to sell two transmutes in a given evening |
| 22:28.25 | Amarande | they'd do the usual one for the day, and could then sell another one after midnight server (which on EST servers is still a pretty active time, especially when you consider there's plenty of West Coast players on East Coast servers, and it's still only 9PM there) |
| 22:28.51 | Domh | And then they've used the lockout for the next day so they can't repeat that again |
| 22:29.03 | Amarande | Domh: yeah, but not everyone is on their alchemist daily |
| 22:29.11 | Amarande | a lot of alchemists are alts, or are mains of players who don't play every day |
| 22:29.34 | Domh | Eh, wouldn't matter too much to me. I'm still an hour and a half ahead of EST |
| 22:29.45 | Amarande | so a lot of lockouts were "in play" that wouldn't be now that 6AM is the boundary instead of 12M |
| 22:30.01 | Domh | 6am? I thought it was 3 am? |
| 22:30.07 | Amarande | 3AM *PACIFIC*. |
| 22:30.10 | Amarande | Doesn't matter what server you're on. |
| 22:30.14 | Amarande | That's the other thing about the 5.1. |
| 22:30.25 | Domh | ah, right. I'm on a Pacific server so I've never made that connection |
| 22:30.37 | Amarande | That's why I noted above that the idea of MST, CST, and EST servers can possibly be argued as false advertising now |
| 22:30.49 | Amarande | because despite the "sticker time" for the server, they're really PST servers now too for all practical purposes |
| 22:30.52 | Domh | so 7:30 my time which works out decently since it's right before I have to head to work |
| 22:30.56 | JunkHead | my skillet says 12h 29m for my next scroll of wisdom |
| 22:31.07 | JunkHead | and it's 4:30 pm now. |
| 22:31.12 | Amarande | hm, skillet might be right, then |
| 22:31.18 | JunkHead | so that's like... |
| 22:31.24 | JunkHead | 5:30 am for me |
| 22:31.33 | JunkHead | oops |
| 22:31.33 | b4k4^^ | 5 AM |
| 22:31.33 | JunkHead | brb |
| 22:31.42 | JunkHead | yeah damn phoen rang |
| 22:31.44 | JunkHead | messed me up |
| 22:31.45 | Amarande | I know Ara Broker Tradeskills is b0rked, though, and Alyred is having a hell of a time trying to get it to work properly with the fact that resets happen at different server times now depending on the realm |
| 22:32.10 | Domh | But I think the sticket time mostly remains as a method of trying to group people into common free time zones for raiding and stuff. Otherwise it's pretty much academic anyway |
| 22:32.29 | Amarande | but yeah, fewer alchemy cooldowns "in play" is not a good thing |
| 22:32.40 | Amarande | even if you think "oh, I only use alchemists for flasks" |
| 22:32.47 | Amarande | I hope you never roll a plate class and feel like buying crafted epics then heh |
| 22:33.06 | Domh | That's what my guild is for :p |
| 22:33.09 | Amarande | since crafted plate epics are eternal prisoners of the living steel cooldown :( |
| 22:33.11 | b4k4^^ | I really don't care much and I try to use every transmute cd |
| 22:33.25 | Domh | eh, I've three alchemists. I make all the steel I need |
| 22:33.36 | b4k4^^ | could put that stack of living steel on AH one day and convert it to money |
| 22:33.37 | Amarande | Mind you, cloth is apparently a prisoner of the imperial silk CD, too |
| 22:33.44 | Domh | Not on Velen I can't |
| 22:33.49 | Amarande | and probably even more severely so since imperial silk is BoP and living steel is not |
| 22:33.56 | Domh | I'd need to farm the raw materials to make a profit |
| 22:34.12 | JunkHead | yeah i was trying to say somethign else a minute ago about the times. |
| 22:34.16 | JunkHead | but i dont remember what |
| 22:34.17 | Domh | I miss Lightning's Blade sometimes. Velen's AH just doesn't compate |
| 22:34.38 | Amarande | I'm looking forward to the likely drop in price of Darkmoon Cards when 5.2 hits |
| 22:34.51 | Amarande | especially since as an engineer, I pretty much am stuck getting one for my second trinket pre-raid :( |
| 22:34.56 | Amarande | unless I get lucky in heroics, anyway |
| 22:35.00 | JunkHead | oh yeah, basically, my cooldown is up in 12h 30m. |
| 22:35.11 | JunkHead | and it's roughly 4:30 pm here now |
| 22:35.18 | JunkHead | but the ther server i play on is eastern time. |
| 22:35.21 | Amarande | sadly, valor trinkets are worthless for engineers. :( |
| 22:35.26 | JunkHead | so 5:30pm server time |
| 22:35.28 | Domh | Armande - Sheildwall dailies will at least get you a 458 one |
| 22:35.38 | JunkHead | so my cooldown is up at 6am server time |
| 22:35.42 | Amarande | Domh: on use or proc based? |
| 22:35.52 | Domh | Don't recall. Never needed them so I haven't checked |
| 22:35.59 | Amarande | that's where the issue comes in about the valor trinkets. on-use trinkets in general are worthless for engineers. :| |
| 22:36.02 | b4k4^^ | I think they all are on use |
| 22:36.12 | Amarande | because synapse springs apparently shares a CD with on use trinkets |
| 22:36.27 | b4k4^^ | mmyeah |
| 22:36.37 | Domh | Should still be fine with trinkets with a long self cooldown |
| 22:36.38 | b4k4^^ | noticed that on my engie |
| 22:37.07 | Amarande | oh, speaking of the Faire, I was wondering about this one |
| 22:37.15 | Amarande | can you turn in decks all month long if, say |
| 22:37.22 | Amarande | you leave an engineer with a MOLL-E on Darkmoon Island? |
| 22:37.29 | Amarande | or do you get ported out if you try to log on to the character when the Faire isn't on? |
| 22:37.37 | Domh | Ported out |
| 22:37.40 | b4k4^^ | you get ported out |
| 22:37.55 | b4k4^^ | to where the entrance portal is |
| 22:38.40 | b4k4^^ | spent a couple of times an extra hour or so fishing for junk nodes in a closed carnival |
| 22:38.48 | Amarande | I've got to say now that I have to envy mail and leather wearers :) |
| 22:39.02 | Amarande | I get the feeling that crafted epics in those two armour types must be a lot cheaper than cloth and plate |
| 22:39.18 | JunkHead | not really. |
| 22:39.34 | Domh | Very much not really |
| 22:39.42 | JunkHead | except int plate. |
| 22:39.49 | JunkHead | because... well. it sucks |
| 22:40.08 | Domh | well, 476's are possibly a little lower since a lot of lw's are skinners too which leads to motes of harmony |
| 22:40.24 | Amarande | well, what occurred to me is this |
| 22:40.49 | Amarande | plate epics are limited by the number of living steel transmutes possible among your suppliers |
| 22:41.16 | Amarande | cloth epics are limited by imperial silk (which isn't limited as strictly as living steel, but on the other hand is BoP, so crafters can't pool their production) |
| 22:41.20 | b4k4^^ | farming spirits <3 |
| 22:41.21 | Amarande | however, AFAIK, there's nothing similar in leather |
| 22:41.42 | Domh | Farming magnificent hides takes forever. And motes |
| 22:41.59 | Amarande | yeah, I think I'm beginning to understand something now LOL |
| 22:42.01 | b4k4^^ | mm |
| 22:42.07 | Domh | There's also some irritation over how long it takes to get all the recipies since there's a set of 8 496 ones to gather |
| 22:42.15 | Amarande | specifically, why everything leather tends to need several BDSM dungeons' worth of leather in order to make :P |
| 22:42.16 | b4k4^^ | 16 motes guaranteed per day |
| 22:42.26 | b4k4^^ | :D |
| 22:42.47 | Amarande | I'm guessing it's a counter balance against the fact that LWs don't have to wrassle with any cooldown mats like BS and tailors do? |
| 22:42.49 | Domh | heh. I use mine for golden lotus. Need to keep the priest in consumables |
| 22:43.16 | b4k4^^ | well... I have 3 90s exalted with Tillers |
| 22:43.26 | JunkHead | I dont even do my farms anymore. |
| 22:43.27 | b4k4^^ | my problem is motes are BoP |
| 22:43.43 | b4k4^^ | have about a stack of extra on my shammy |
| 22:43.57 | b4k4^^ | that the tailor could use |
| 22:44.03 | Domh | Yeah |
| 22:44.26 | Domh | I get why they did it though. On smaller realms it was too easy for a few crafters to monopolize certain markets |
| 22:44.55 | Domh | *cough*feywn*cough* "[ |
| 22:44.56 | Domh | :p |
| 22:46.08 | fewyn | what did i do |
| 22:46.13 | Domh | I expect they'll remove it around 5.3 at which point the gold sink in crafting will be the raid drops like blood spirits. And it'll spur the low level crafting market for the catch up players |
| 22:46.31 | Amarande | yeah, I keep trying to remember where blood spirits are from |
| 22:46.32 | Domh | You didn't do anything, I was just making an asinine joke |
| 22:46.45 | Amarande | I've seen them linked in trade chat but couldn't for the life of me remember where you get them |
| 22:46.46 | Domh | De'ing raid drops :p |
| 22:46.56 | Domh | Sadly no longer works on LFR ones |
| 22:47.01 | Amarande | I thought that gave you shards and sha crystals? |
| 22:47.21 | Domh | Nah, any epic gives you sha crystals. Raid drops also give you the spirits |
| 22:47.31 | Amarande | oh, sha crystals AND spirits from the same epic? |
| 22:47.36 | fewyn | i bought... 14? 16? spirits the other day |
| 22:47.37 | fewyn | 2k each |
| 22:47.45 | Domh | I think so. |
| 22:47.45 | fewyn | made my gloves and chest |
| 22:47.49 | Domh | nice |
| 22:47.55 | Domh | You should make my shaman some gear now :p |
| 22:47.57 | fewyn | totes worth it |
| 22:48.11 | Domh | Sadly I don't have 32k to spend on spirits atm |
| 22:48.13 | fewyn | probably not worth making though |
| 22:48.17 | fewyn | for selling |
| 22:48.21 | Domh | Too busy with work lately to even get my usual inscription market on the go |
| 22:49.05 | fewyn | i can't wait for my paperwhite to get here tomorrow |
| 22:49.28 | Amarande | ah, sha crystals and spirits together is a good idea |
| 22:49.38 | Amarande | the thing that had occurred to me otherwise was "catch up players might have a really hard time eventually" |
| 22:52.11 | JunkHead | sometime this week i need to do lfr msv pt 2 on my warrior for the shield. |
| 22:52.20 | JunkHead | im at 8 elder tokens. |
| 22:52.30 | JunkHead | need to burn 1 so i can turn in to get 3 more. |
| 22:52.42 | fewyn | i need to do lei shi 2 more times |
| 22:52.47 | fewyn | after i finish dailies maybe |
| 22:53.24 | JunkHead | i tried to do it last night, but got into a group on the last boss so i left. |
| 22:54.09 | b4k4^^ | already did all the lfrs for this week on my mage who is on the sigil quest |
| 22:54.30 | b4k4^^ | for my troubles and 3 elderberries got gold, a trinket and 1 sigil |
| 22:55.00 | b4k4^^ | whereas last week my priest got ten-ish sigils >_< |
| 22:55.29 | JunkHead | if i was gettign home at my usual hours tonight, i was planning on doing some old raids on my shaman, but since im working late, i'll probably skip that plan. |
| 22:55.38 | JunkHead | I'd like to be able to solo BT. |
| 22:55.57 | JunkHead | Illidari COuncil didn't wanna let me do that though.:( |
| 22:56.07 | Amarande | yeah, maybe next expansion :) |
| 22:56.10 | b4k4^^ | I should finish grinding Molten Core on the shammy |
| 22:56.17 | Amarande | and maybe next expansion mages can solo Sunwell further than the first big guardian thingy :P |
| 22:56.18 | JunkHead | nah I just need slightly better gear. |
| 22:56.25 | b4k4^^ | got to around 45 minutes re-MoP |
| 22:56.30 | JunkHead | Maybe ilvl 480. |
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| 22:56.40 | b4k4^^ | now I could probably roflstomp everything :P |
| 22:56.50 | Amarande | stupid blood elf hunters |
| 22:56.54 | Amarande | I want slaying shot on my hunter :( |
| 22:56.55 | JunkHead | I tried it 2 ways, the best for me being to burn down the paladin. |
| 22:57.06 | JunkHead | I got him to 0 a few times but he always got healed back up.\ |
| 22:57.14 | JunkHead | Buncha bullshit if you ask me.:\ |
| 22:57.31 | JunkHead | Illidan probably would've beaten me though |
| 22:57.46 | JunkHead | I also tried OS10 3d. |
| 22:57.51 | JunkHead | And again, need betetr gear.:( |
| 23:01.33 | Amarande | elemental or enhancement? |
| 23:01.35 | JunkHead | ele |
| 23:01.45 | Amarande | hmm. tried enh? |
| 23:01.46 | JunkHead | i read about people soloing damn near everything as enhancement |
| 23:01.48 | JunkHead | nope |
| 23:01.51 | Amarande | it apparently has fairly significantly greater DPS than ele |
| 23:01.52 | JunkHead | not gonna get the gear for it |
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| 23:17.29 | Amarande | yay, Ysera is no longer the new players realm |
| 23:17.32 | Amarande | and we still have high pop now :) |
| 23:18.18 | Lugburz | nice! |
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| 23:42.25 | Amarande | hm. |
| 23:42.38 | Amarande | anyone else have problems with arcane brilliance disappearing on a mage when entering magister's terrace? |
| 23:42.55 | Amarande | I checked my buffs before I walked in, and AB was up when I did |
| 23:43.15 | Amarande | after I finished off Delrissa and was about to head to Kael I glanced up at my buffs and noticed that AB was no longer active |
| 23:43.37 | Amarande | the "you can understand friendly racial languages" buff that comes with it via minor glyph was still there, but not AB |
| 23:43.40 | Amarande | it's happened to me a few times. |
| 23:43.47 | Eraclito | Amarande i think it's the MGT buff making it disappear |
| 23:43.50 | Amarande | or does something in MgT use dispel? |
| 23:43.55 | Eraclito | you know, the stamina + intellect buff |
| 23:44.02 | Eraclito | "sunwell radiance" or something |
| 23:44.10 | Amarande | Eraclito: K'iru's song of victory or some such |
| 23:44.14 | Eraclito | yeah that |
| 23:44.15 | Amarande | however, I've had that coexist fine with AB |
| 23:44.22 | Amarande | it doesn't disappear or override AB when you cast it while on IQD |
| 23:44.31 | Eraclito | i remember it overriding AB, back in time |
| 23:44.41 | Amarande | the only other possibility is that something in MgT dispels buffs, but I'm not quite sure who |
| 23:45.01 | Amarande | possibly a boss, as I usually skip most of the trash unless it's actually in the way |
| 23:45.15 | Eraclito | oh well maybe someone in Delrissa group |
| 23:45.32 | Eraclito | i don't remember all their spells anymore |
| 23:46.57 | Amarande | *sigh* one more run and I'll be exalted |
| 23:47.00 | Amarande | and still no white chocobo |
| 23:47.19 | Amarande | and mind you ALL of my Shattered Sun rep has been from running MgT, I haven't done a single daily with them yet :S |
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