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| 00:10.31 | fewyn | don't you just hate it when you're sending mail to an alt on a second account and forget there's a 1hr timer since the guild my bank alts are in isn't a high enough level? |
| 00:16.49 | Amarande | wtf. |
| 00:17.00 | Amarande | if you enter a raid in a group that you're not the leader of and get saved |
| 00:17.08 | Amarande | you apparently can't enter that raid again at all for the rest of the lockout without that same leader? |
| 00:17.16 | fewyn | wat |
| 00:17.23 | Amarande | we had a bit of trouble with Gruul's, someone wanted loot from the first boss and someone pulled early |
| 00:17.35 | Amarande | so two people left the group to try it again (heh, does that really work?) |
| 00:17.45 | fewyn | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 00:17.55 | Amarande | and then I left the group to get reinvited, and figured, wait that won't work since I'm locked |
| 00:18.02 | Amarande | so I tried to go back in and solo Gruul instead |
| 00:18.13 | Amarande | "You are not in this instance's group. You will be teleported to the nearest graveyard in 60 Seconds" |
| 00:18.22 | Mr_Rabies | whaaat |
| 00:18.26 | Mr_Rabies | i was soloing gruul at 85 |
| 00:18.27 | Mr_Rabies | O_o |
| 00:18.28 | b4k4^^ | :3 |
| 00:18.33 | Amarande | am I banned from Gruul for the week now? |
| 00:18.38 | Amarande | or will it work after the 30 minute reset timer? |
| 00:18.40 | fewyn | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 00:18.50 | Mr_Rabies | pretty sure you're locked unless you rejoin that group |
| 00:19.14 | b4k4^^ | once, when queuing for MsV part 2, I was zoned in at the beginning of part 1 |
| 00:19.16 | Amarande | so raid IDs are indeed attached to their original group leaders as well as to the players, then? |
| 00:19.18 | JunkHead | gruul is the easy one. king maulgar is the tough fight. |
| 00:19.23 | b4k4^^ | took a minute to figure that out |
| 00:19.30 | Mr_Rabies | especially the old raids, Amarande |
| 00:19.39 | Mr_Rabies | the ones with the new lockout system are a bit different |
| 00:19.40 | Amarande | I'm guessing there was a Good Reason for that design? |
| 00:19.58 | fewyn | yes because that's how it worked |
| 00:19.59 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, people were stealing IDs and clearing instances to be jerks |
| 00:20.08 | Mr_Rabies | in vanilla/tbc |
| 00:20.10 | fewyn | HOW IT WORKED |
| 00:20.27 | Amarande | huh. |
| 00:20.33 | Amarande | they really need to fix those to work with the new system |
| 00:20.35 | Amarande | which seems to be LOTRO-ish |
| 00:20.49 | Amarande | boolean flags per boss per player, flags must be compatible or you can't go |
| 00:20.51 | Mr_Rabies | more work than it's worth considering a good chunk of it's soloable now |
| 00:20.58 | fewyn | blizzard fixing previous expansion content? are we in bizzaro world now? |
| 00:21.10 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: apparently Maulgar is probably impossible for a mage |
| 00:21.19 | Amarande | you spend so much time being CC'd that you don't get enough damage in before you're beaten to death |
| 00:21.31 | Mr_Rabies | isn't there a proper order to avoid cc? |
| 00:21.38 | Mr_Rabies | i haven't done it since early 85 |
| 00:21.49 | Mr_Rabies | when i was soloing it |
| 00:22.03 | Mr_Rabies | got everything i needed so i haven't bothered since |
| 00:22.18 | JunkHead | i only tried maulgar a few times by myself. |
| 00:22.23 | JunkHead | i always did it with a friend. |
| 00:22.29 | JunkHead | 2 people makes it easy. |
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| 00:23.06 | Mr_Rabies | hex and fear are the problems, right? |
| 00:23.20 | JunkHead | yeah |
| 00:23.50 | JunkHead | you end up just getting beaten like shit and cant do anything. |
| 00:24.08 | Amarande | Is it possible as a mage, or will I need help until 95 at the least? |
| 00:24.25 | JunkHead | but if you can burst down the lock and hunter mobs quick enough you can probably do it. |
| 00:24.28 | Mr_Rabies | try to burn down the shaman asap |
| 00:24.34 | Amarande | and interestingly, they went back and made KARA based on the boolean lockout |
| 00:24.38 | Amarande | but they couldn't fix Gruul's? |
| 00:24.39 | Amarande | odd. |
| 00:24.56 | Mr_Rabies | death coil's pretty short isn't it? |
| 00:25.11 | JunkHead | i need to do shado-pan monastary to try to get bracers or shoulders so i can do lfr hof |
| 00:25.33 | Amarande | but apparently, they considered the raid ID theft thing to be something that could actually destroy WoW as a legitimate game if it wasn't fixed pronto, I'm guessing? |
| 00:26.08 | Amarande | no matter what the side effects? |
| 00:26.30 | Amarande | like literally something that would make most of the subscribers go "F this, I'll go play lotro or WAR or something?" :S |
| 00:26.47 | Amarande | (mind you, it might have, given that LOTRO has had sane raid lockouts from the get go. heh.) |
| 00:26.56 | Mr_Rabies | it was a major problem |
| 00:26.58 | Amarande | it's interesting how many features LOTRO has had for ages that WoW is only just recently cottoning onto :) |
| 00:27.21 | Mr_Rabies | that's how wow survives where other mmo's fall apart |
| 00:27.52 | Mr_Rabies | it's willing to change design to meet the new environment at each step |
| 00:44.44 | Amarande | one wonders why it took so long for them to figure out the boolean system, though |
| 00:46.04 | Mr_Rabies | they were working on other stuff and the lockout system wasn't really disliked |
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| 00:46.39 | Amarande | I suppose there's that matter that PUG raids didn't actually take off till near the end of BC, from what I saw |
| 00:46.46 | Mr_Rabies | it wasn't really until a better system came out that it was seen as something that wasn't useful |
| 00:47.03 | Amarande | but yeah, hello there inconsistency. Kara seems to use the new system, while Gruul's uses the old |
| 00:47.38 | Mr_Rabies | i haven't seen anything use the new system newer than when it was added |
| 00:47.40 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 00:47.53 | Mr_Rabies | i haven't seen anything use the new system other than stuff released after it was added |
| 00:48.07 | Amarande | check a kara lock sometime, it enumerates the bosses like the new ones do |
| 00:48.19 | Amarande | otoh, TK, Gruul's, etc. they don't say anything but the instance name when you mouse over |
| 00:48.35 | Mr_Rabies | even icc still uses the old one, i think |
| 00:48.43 | Mr_Rabies | it's just combining 10 and 25 |
| 00:48.47 | Mr_Rabies | into one |
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| 00:53.08 | Amarande | you'd think that people would have had issues with the fact that the old system seems like it means you have to always have the same character be raid leader throughout the week, though |
| 00:54.26 | Amarande | or are things like the kind of frequent substitutions many groups do nowadays something that was unheard of back in those days? |
| 00:57.00 | Mr_Rabies | substitutions were more common then, i'd say, since it was harder to get all the buffs etc you need |
| 00:58.18 | Mr_Rabies | nowadays i think substitutions are unnecessary except for absences and bleeding-edge |
| 00:58.58 | JunkHead | grr |
| 01:06.36 | Amarande | oh, yay, Kael'thas bugged up |
| 01:06.38 | Amarande | not sure how |
| 01:06.45 | Amarande | also Solarian or whatever her name is kept bugging up earlier too |
| 01:06.56 | Amarande | basically bosses with MC seem to cause all kinds of issues at 90 :P |
| 01:07.41 | Amarande | I'm guessing the idea was that the raid was expected to wipe in certain situations where MC happened, so the scripting is buggy on what happens if you manage to survive that? |
| 01:08.18 | Amarande | with the Astromancer, we'd keep all getting MC'd and then she'd reset, happened about 5 times before it worked |
| 01:08.31 | Amarande | oh, yeah, and the phoenix for some reason had to be killed twice before it counted |
| 01:08.51 | JunkHead | you have to kill the phoenix twice normally |
| 01:08.59 | JunkHead | it dies, then rises up, then dies again |
| 01:09.00 | Amarande | and now with Kael'thas, someone got MC'd during the fight once he stepped in, and now we have this giant walking-around KT in the sky that is doing nothing and can't even be targeted |
| 01:09.03 | Amarande | but we're all marked as in combat, heh |
| 01:09.12 | Amarande | ... and we can't even log off since we're in combat |
| 01:09.13 | Amarande | joy |
| 01:09.31 | Amarande | what causes the bosses with MC to bug up? |
| 01:10.01 | Amarande | is it indeed buggy scripting that didn't expect the raid to be able to survive after people failed to prevent MC, so you still have to make sure it doesn't happen no matter how overpowered your group? |
| 01:10.08 | JunkHead | never happened to me before. |
| 01:10.14 | JunkHead | I've 2 manned and 3 manned kael a few times. |
| 01:10.43 | Amarande | kind of like that old Stratholme bug where if an abom reached the back gate during the fight outside Rivendare's building, the game apparently assumed you had wiped and the door wouldn't open if you killed the aboms afterwards? |
| 01:12.09 | Amarande | Junk: did MC ever happen? |
| 01:12.31 | Amarande | we figured we'd just use the anti-silence thing and then we burn him down, but it seemed that once MC happened, buggage ensued |
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| 01:13.01 | JunkHead- | ugh. dc'ed |
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| 01:16.32 | Amarande | wb |
| 01:16.36 | Amarande | anyway, did you ever have anyone get MC'd? |
| 01:16.57 | JunkHead- | on kael? |
| 01:16.58 | JunkHead- | yes |
| 01:17.34 | Amarande | no bugging out after that? |
| 01:17.41 | JunkHead- | nope |
| 01:17.46 | JunkHead- | not that i remember |
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| 01:41.56 | Amarande | ... bugged again |
| 01:42.04 | Amarande | seriously, I think this battle is harder now than it was when it was current content :p |
| 01:42.39 | Amarande | apparently, WoW game design frequently depends on people only being able to do the expected amounts of damage heh |
| 01:43.11 | Amarande | at least, pre-Wrath. they seemed to fix that with Wrath, seeing as we got Malygos down to like 20% before he even did any phase changey sort of stuff :) |
| 01:45.47 | JunkHead- | dammit. upgrading my weapon wasnt enough tog et to 370 ilvl |
| 01:47.17 | JunkHead- | wow. ravens beat the broncos. |
| 01:47.26 | JunkHead- | that was a good game. |
| 01:52.23 | JunkHead- | Queuing for specific heroics trying to get bracers or shoulders. |
| 01:52.30 | JunkHead- | 0/2 so far. |
| 01:52.32 | JunkHead- | :\ |
| 01:53.30 | Amarande | as long as the Patriots don't win the Super Bowl |
| 01:53.32 | JunkHead- | Last instance left is Scar;et Halls for shoulders off of the 2nd boss. |
| 01:53.40 | JunkHead- | And of course they wont drop. |
| 01:54.06 | JunkHead- | so much for the whole "lol hunter gear" crap. roll a hunter and that shit disappears fast. |
| 01:54.53 | Amarande | Junk: the rule is that if you're (class), gear for (class) will magically become difficult to get :) |
| 01:55.04 | Amarande | If you're not (class), you'll see people of (class) seem to gear effortlessly |
| 01:55.35 | JunkHead- | Well I've had great luck on my warrior. So I'm not complaining overall, but it does seem difficult to get to 470 ilvl on my hunter. |
| 01:55.52 | JunkHead- | Seems like I've gotten 5 items since 468. and I still havent hit 470 |
| 01:56.03 | Amarande | I've been having good luck so far on the mage though, when running Pandarian content |
| 01:56.11 | Amarande | outland raider is being really fussy, though |
| 01:56.16 | Amarande | we finally just nailed Tempest Keep |
| 01:56.38 | Amarande | pretty much had to be cheap about it and let all but one person stand outside the room, then wait to get pulled in when KT pulls the whole raid in for the final phase |
| 01:56.43 | JunkHead- | ok scarlet halls. here we go |
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| 02:07.59 | JunkHead- | nope. no shoulders |
| 02:12.34 | blademeld | JunkHead-, kill Amarande and steal all the lucky charms |
| 02:14.22 | JunkHead- | ha |
| 02:14.40 | JunkHead- | im runnign out of options here if i wanna do hof and toes this weekend on her. |
| 02:14.59 | JunkHead- | gonna queue for a random and hop i get 1 of the 3 instances i need.:\ |
| 02:22.51 | JunkHead- | so msn messenger is going bye bye |
| 02:23.13 | JunkHead- | oh well. |
| 02:35.11 | Amarande | heh, the mystery was why they kept it around so long |
| 02:35.23 | Amarande | or for that matter, why AOL keeps ICQ around and doesn't merge it similarly with AIM, or vice versa |
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| 02:47.08 | JunkHead- | le sigh |
| 02:50.59 | JunkHead- | well, i solved my problem. have to fudge it a bit. but it will work. |
| 02:51.35 | JunkHead- | remembered i had a boe ring. 476 on the AH. |
| 02:51.45 | JunkHead- | cancelled the auction and mailed it to my hunter. |
| 02:56.28 | JunkHead- | And HoF LFR queue pops already! |
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| 03:13.47 | JunkHead- | 1st boss no loot |
| 03:40.27 | JunkHead- | no loot in part 1. ah well. |
| 03:54.02 | JunkHead- | yay part 2 quque popped |
| 03:55.36 | JunkHead- | hey, do LFR bosses give JP? I've never noticed. If they don't, they should. |
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| 04:04.27 | Jammer | JunkHead-: they don't afaik |
| 04:04.57 | Jammer | but in 5.2 they're doing something about Valor turning to JP when you're capped |
| 04:05.09 | JunkHead- | yeah they dont.:( |
| 04:05.36 | Jammer | but I suppose in LFR that's only going to effect the end reward |
| 04:05.53 | blademeld | KILL JAMMER |
| 04:05.57 | blademeld | DRINK OF HIS BLOOD |
| 04:06.06 | Jammer | :( |
| 04:06.10 | blademeld | RECIEVE HIS PORTION OF LFR LOOT |
| 04:07.53 | Jammer | they should add some small reward (gold?) for doing boss tactics right in LFR |
| 04:08.16 | Jammer | something to say... here's little extra for not trying to wipe the raid |
| 04:09.00 | blademeld | meh |
| 04:09.14 | JunkHead- | nah. but id like to see more than 28.5g in the bag |
| 04:09.28 | blademeld | like a BoE? |
| 04:09.51 | JunkHead- | no. |
| 04:09.54 | JunkHead- | just mroe gold |
| 04:09.58 | JunkHead- | like 50-100g |
| 04:10.13 | JunkHead- | or hell...P |
| 04:10.16 | JunkHead- | JP |
| 04:10.22 | JunkHead- | JP + gold... or loot |
| 04:10.32 | JunkHead- | sounds like a win-win to me |
| 04:11.07 | Jammer | trying to buy heirlooms or what you need the JP for |
| 04:11.26 | JunkHead- | me personally? niether. |
| 04:11.40 | JunkHead- | and yeah eventually JP will be useless no matter what |
| 04:11.42 | JunkHead- | but hey. |
| 04:11.46 | JunkHead- | i cant think of anything else. |
| 04:11.52 | JunkHead- | cant hurt |
| 04:12.15 | Jammer | it hurts when you got 4k JP and nothing to spend it on :) |
| 04:12.24 | JunkHead- | blizz does need to fix that. |
| 04:12.30 | JunkHead- | let us buy mats |
| 04:12.33 | blademeld | Jammer, buy honor? |
| 04:12.34 | JunkHead- | like in cata |
| 04:13.06 | Jammer | blademeld: I only pvp with like 1 char if even that |
| 04:13.20 | Jammer | so honor even more useless :P |
| 04:13.40 | blademeld | well |
| 04:13.50 | blademeld | 5.2 will let you dump jp |
| 04:13.59 | Jammer | on what? |
| 04:14.00 | blademeld | for the first bit anyways |
| 04:14.03 | blademeld | heirlooms |
| 04:14.46 | Jammer | like leveling heirlooms? |
| 04:15.06 | Jammer | unless they go up to 90 seems pointless |
| 04:15.16 | JunkHead- | the new price is ridiculous |
| 04:16.00 | blademeld | they go up to 85, and I don't mind spending jp on them because there's nothing else to spend jp on |
| 04:17.49 | JunkHead- | yeah but full price? |
| 04:17.52 | JunkHead- | plus the item? |
| 04:19.05 | blademeld | yep |
| 04:19.09 | blademeld | idc |
| 04:19.10 | JunkHead- | thats bs |
| 04:19.10 | blademeld | lol |
| 04:19.19 | JunkHead- | if you dont have the item, then yeah |
| 04:19.24 | JunkHead- | pay normal full price |
| 04:19.32 | JunkHead- | but if you have it, its a 5 lvl upgrade |
| 04:19.47 | JunkHead- | it should be like... item turn-in plus... 275-550 jp |
| 04:19.54 | JunkHead- | if not just free/ |
| 04:20.09 | blademeld | per level up to 90 |
| 04:20.12 | blademeld | that'd be nice |
| 04:20.21 | JunkHead- | yeah but thats wishful thinking |
| 04:20.37 | JunkHead- | which is why i see item + nothing/275jp being perfect |
| 04:20.54 | blademeld | 500/level to 90 would be 5k or 2500 jp per item |
| 04:21.05 | JunkHead- | ok how about we use math |
| 04:21.07 | JunkHead- | like... |
| 04:21.14 | JunkHead- | 2750 for weapons right? |
| 04:21.20 | JunkHead- | whatever |
| 04:21.23 | blademeld | 1h? |
| 04:21.24 | JunkHead- | 5 new levels |
| 04:21.27 | JunkHead- | i dunno |
| 04:21.33 | JunkHead- | help me out here i suck at math |
| 04:21.39 | JunkHead- | you pay x for 80 lvl of boa |
| 04:21.45 | JunkHead- | but y for 5 lvls |
| 04:21.54 | JunkHead- | where y is.... |
| 04:22.06 | JunkHead- | 80 divided by 5 is what |
| 04:22.12 | blademeld | 16 |
| 04:22.19 | JunkHead- | 16? |
| 04:22.20 | JunkHead- | ok' |
| 04:22.23 | JunkHead- | so... |
| 04:22.24 | blademeld | don't we have a bot for math? |
| 04:22.28 | blademeld | ~80/5 |
| 04:22.28 | infobot | 16 |
| 04:22.29 | JunkHead- | no idea |
| 04:22.33 | JunkHead- | but what im saying is. |
| 04:22.42 | JunkHead- | if you pay 2000jp for a lvl 80 item |
| 04:22.54 | JunkHead- | then you should pay MUCH LESS for extra 5 |
| 04:23.03 | JunkHead- | im horrible at math |
| 04:23.06 | JunkHead- | i apologize |
| 04:23.13 | blademeld | and communicating |
| 04:23.17 | JunkHead- | but i hope what im trying to say make sense |
| 04:23.21 | JunkHead- | yup. |
| 04:23.25 | JunkHead- | drinking does that |
| 04:23.31 | JunkHead- | but my math is awful no matter what |
| 04:23.53 | blademeld | alternatively |
| 04:24.37 | blademeld | they could make it ~1500-2500 for up to level 85, and 4000 to make it epic instead of rare equivilant |
| 04:24.45 | blademeld | that'd be so sweet |
| 04:24.48 | JunkHead- | thats new sure |
| 04:25.12 | blademeld | I bought epic weapons and used them instead of heirlooms for a while |
| 04:25.18 | blademeld | because lol |
| 04:25.26 | JunkHead- | basically what i was trying to say is, the old ones go to 80. the price you pay can be broken down to "jp per lvl x 80" |
| 04:25.44 | blademeld | or raise JP max cap |
| 04:25.49 | JunkHead- | now take the JP for 1% x 5 and thats the new cost plus old item |
| 04:26.08 | blademeld | or even better, have a 1:4 vp to jp convertor |
| 04:26.21 | JunkHead- | id agree with that |
| 04:26.36 | JunkHead- | a way to convert UP with a huge loss would be useful somewhat to some |
| 04:40.02 | JunkHead- | ok now that i have a minute blademeld, maybe i can make it more clear (doubtful though). the original cost of an heirloom. say, 3500 for a 2h weapon. now divide that by 80 (amount of levels) is 43.75. Thats the JP cost per lvl. now multipy that by 5. (the new extra levels) is 218. but since blizz likes to use certain numbers, we'll round up to 225. so there you go. Old 2h weapon + 225 jp = |
| 04:40.02 | JunkHead- | new 85 2h weapon. |
| 04:40.22 | JunkHead- | like i said, im horrible at this. but hopefully that makes sense. |
| 04:59.30 | blademeld | JunkHead-, higher levels are worth more than lower levels |
| 04:59.41 | blademeld | might make more sense to do it by exp |
| 04:59.44 | blademeld | rather than level |
| 04:59.58 | blademeld | in which case 3k is fine imo |
| 05:03.26 | JunkHead- | i dunno. considering an heirloom is really just a "nice blue" that upgrades per level... |
| 05:03.35 | JunkHead- | i think basing it on lvl is more correct. |
| 05:03.42 | JunkHead- | but thats just me. |
| 05:04.00 | JunkHead- | but i do see your point too. |
| 05:08.45 | Mr_Rabies | they're upgrading the other pieces that only go to 80 right now too, right |
| 05:08.51 | Mr_Rabies | not just the weapons? |
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| 05:14.38 | bladeblade | on webchat on a phone |
| 05:14.59 | bladeblade | is there an app? |
| 05:20.48 | bladeblade | i blame stormscape |
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| 07:17.11 | pandmonk | hi |
| 07:17.58 | pandmonk | anyone can help me with monk brewmaster gemming and reforge ? |
| 07:19.11 | pandmonk | hello !! |
| 07:21.24 | Djones_ | Have you tried www.askmrrobot.com ? |
| 07:23.07 | pandmonk | i try it but with monk tell me to gemming stamina, but the aggro is too weak |
| 07:23.18 | Djones_ | What weapon are you using? |
| 07:23.37 | pandmonk | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/tarren-mill/Pandmonk/advanced |
| 07:23.43 | pandmonk | this my armory |
| 07:25.15 | Djones_ | And what kind of content are you doing and with what quality geared dps? |
| 07:26.05 | pandmonk | when i google it, i find they use dps stat, so i try it |
| 07:26.33 | pandmonk | but still i get too much hits from mobs |
| 07:27.25 | deffener | askmrrobot gives you right stats if you choose right profile (pvetank) and if your aggro is too low your rotiation is wrong |
| 07:27.36 | Djones_ | deffener, depends. |
| 07:27.46 | Djones_ | I'd rip aggro off a tank in that gear on both my dps |
| 07:27.56 | Djones_ | because of the 463 weapon |
| 07:28.00 | Djones_ | (and opener burst) |
| 07:28.26 | pandmonk | so u suggest AMR ? |
| 07:28.38 | deffener | Djones_: not saying that, but if it persists through normal dps, its the build |
| 07:28.59 | deffener | or then you are trying to tank with ilvl 460 having ilvl 500 dps |
| 07:29.09 | Djones_ | Well, not really |
| 07:29.14 | pandmonk | what i know is monk brewmaster diffrent than any other tanks |
| 07:29.15 | Djones_ | Gotta consider opener burst |
| 07:29.28 | Djones_ | I spike to around 3-400k on the opener, our arcane mage does more |
| 07:29.47 | Djones_ | Which means a tank has to be pulling around 80k dps themselves on the opener, which is hard for them to do |
| 07:30.12 | Djones_ | now, if you still beating the tank 30 seconds into the fight, rather than 10, that's different. |
| 07:30.24 | Djones_ | But the opener is a whole different ballgame to standard threat, and it's relevant. |
| 07:31.06 | pandmonk | hmm... ok what about exp for monk need to be hard cap 15% |
| 07:31.25 | pandmonk | if i do that i should forget about stamina |
| 07:32.34 | pandmonk | now with my stat the aggroo is great but low stamina :D |
| 07:33.11 | deffener | damn this laptop |
| 07:33.13 | deffener | needs amoled |
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| 07:33.39 | deffener | % of black pixels is too damn high :( |
| 07:33.48 | deffener | wastes energy |
| 07:33.53 | deffener | battery drains |
| 07:33.59 | deffener | is unhappy |
| 07:35.15 | pandmonk | is anyone here have monk brewmaster to give me armory like to check it |
| 07:37.14 | deffener | pandmonk: have you read this http://www.icy-veins.com/brewmaster-monk-wow-pve-tank-guide |
| 07:37.26 | deffener | 1st result googling brewmaster tank |
| 07:37.29 | pandmonk | ya |
| 07:38.20 | pandmonk | check this http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1101410-The-Brewmaster-Tanking-Guide-5-1-0/page88 |
| 07:38.48 | deffener | wait up, slow internet |
| 07:38.59 | pandmonk | hehe ok |
| 07:39.00 | deffener | bus +3g = :( |
| 07:39.32 | pandmonk | im on 3g but high speed :D |
| 07:42.06 | deffener | i'm even droååing ssh due this network |
| 07:42.11 | deffener | dropping* |
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| 07:43.06 | deffener | 3g is good when you are staying still, atleast in southern finland, when you move, its just useless |
| 07:43.47 | deffener | and spotify takes quite nice slice too |
| 07:46.50 | deffener | pandmonk: you using dizzying haze a lot? |
| 07:47.05 | pandmonk | ya |
| 07:48.56 | deffener | sorry if i'm asking stupd questions but i only have winwalker and its 60-something yet so i really cant know about brewmaster too well |
| 07:49.07 | deffener | mainly having blood dk |
| 07:49.47 | Jammer | note that keg smash applies it at melee range already |
| 07:50.39 | pandmonk | np m8, but i know the monk tank is diffrent than any other class |
| 07:51.20 | pandmonk | check this: |
| 07:51.21 | pandmonk | If you want more chi, haste followed by hit and exp is what you want. |
| 07:51.22 | pandmonk | If you want more avoidance, crit followed by haste is what you want |
| 07:51.23 | pandmonk | If you want more dps, hit and exp followed by crit is what you want. |
| 07:51.23 | pandmonk | If you want smoother damage intake, stam and mastery is what you want. |
| 07:51.24 | deffener | thats what i mean, i know the basics but brewmaster is still its own spec |
| 07:52.14 | deffener | breath of fire seems to have incresed effect after dizzying haze.. |
| 07:52.36 | Jammer | yup, but the dot only works if the mobs actually got slowed |
| 07:52.44 | pandmonk | ya also with dizzying |
| 07:53.03 | deffener | Jammer: you have brewmaster? |
| 07:53.05 | Jammer | yes |
| 07:53.16 | Jammer | well I play mistwalker main but been playing brewmaster a bit |
| 07:53.21 | deffener | have you read pandmonks problem? |
| 07:53.41 | deffener | you having such problems (not keeping aggro)? |
| 07:54.06 | Jammer | nope, but I don't raid with it |
| 07:54.35 | deffener | what you are reforging/gemming? |
| 07:54.45 | deffener | stam+mastery? |
| 07:54.47 | deffener | or dps? |
| 07:55.14 | Jammer | stam+mastery ye |
| 07:55.54 | deffener | pandmonk: does your raidgroup dps' have alot better gear or something? |
| 07:56.18 | pandmonk | ya mastery is good but with u should balance with stamina and exp, haste |
| 07:56.43 | Jammer | but for example arcane mage was mentioned... he should be popping mirror images on pull |
| 07:57.24 | deffener | burst dps is problem with about all tanks, taunting solves for me atleast |
| 07:57.28 | pandmonk | deffener: yes |
| 07:58.33 | pandmonk | what problem is, i see the mobs on raid cit on me that what i think |
| 07:58.34 | Jammer | it's very nice to have hunter/rogue to give some extra threat on pull |
| 07:59.59 | Jammer | pandmonk: do you use breath of fire against raid bosses? |
| 08:00.03 | deffener | yea might be good idea to get threat transfers from any hunter/rogue in raidgroup |
| 08:00.47 | pandmonk | no, breath of fire only for AOE |
| 08:01.46 | pandmonk | jammer: give me like for ur character to check it plz |
| 08:02.10 | deffener | os tank so armory shows healer spec |
| 08:02.17 | deffener | 09:53:16 < Jammer> well I play mistwalker main but been playing brewmaster a bit |
| 08:02.48 | deffener | only talents and glyphs visible since wrong gear :( |
| 08:04.08 | pandmonk | ok, i have warrior tank lvl 86 i see that warrior amazing with tanking not like monk but i love monk style :P |
| 08:05.31 | pandmonk | but blizzard with fiz many think on monk in 5.2 |
| 08:05.39 | pandmonk | fix* |
| 08:06.27 | Jammer | used to tank with my warrior but the whole active mitigation thing made me not to want to play it any longer |
| 08:07.50 | Jammer | it really had way too many buttons to press already |
| 08:08.41 | deffener | my friend manages well i think |
| 08:08.56 | deffener | warr tanking i mean |
| 08:09.09 | pandmonk | use macro`s |
| 08:09.26 | deffener | goes without saying nowadays |
| 08:09.41 | Jammer | pandmonk: like what? |
| 08:09.52 | deffener | Jammer: armory link |
| 08:10.03 | pandmonk | for warrior tank |
| 08:10.05 | deffener | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/khadgar/Huutso/simple friends warr tank |
| 08:10.15 | Jammer | deffener: for what? |
| 08:10.45 | deffener | Jammer: first he asked for brewmaster but now warr tank |
| 08:11.11 | Jammer | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/dunemaul/hillottaja/simple |
| 08:11.28 | Jammer | but as I said... stopped pretty much playing since mop change :/ |
| 08:11.33 | deffener | hillottaja :o, hi fin |
| 08:11.39 | pandmonk | w8 iwill give u sample |
| 08:12.51 | pandmonk | aly!!! ohh. i heat u guys :D |
| 08:13.59 | pandmonk | #showtooltip |
| 08:14.03 | pandmonk | ops |
| 08:14.11 | pandmonk | "#showtooltip |
| 08:14.30 | pandmonk | sry but irc not showing the macro |
| 08:14.47 | Jammer | http://pastebin.com/ |
| 08:16.05 | deffener | yea |
| 08:16.24 | pandmonk | http://pastebin.com/mVSU9XSp |
| 08:17.18 | deffener | i see finnish people but i'll have to pack soon |
| 08:17.37 | deffener | well, like 30min to that |
| 08:17.56 | deffener | highway to hel(l/sinki) |
| 08:18.17 | pandmonk | :D |
| 08:19.20 | pandmonk | this for one button AoE http://pastebin.com/Au7v6J5J |
| 08:19.29 | Jammer | pandmonk: don't you end up casting shield block too often with that (thus losing rage) |
| 08:20.29 | pandmonk | change with shield barrier |
| 08:20.42 | pandmonk | 20 rage |
| 08:24.32 | pandmonk | also this http://pastebin.com/fPHfTC0f |
| 08:29.25 | deffener | wooh, someone is smart, got /me message in bitlbee twitter |
| 08:29.25 | deffener | :D |
| 08:30.38 | pandmonk | u still on highway |
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| 08:30.53 | deffener | yea |
| 08:31.12 | deffener | not for long though |
| 08:31.12 | pandmonk | traviling or what ? |
| 08:31.23 | deffener | going to helsinki |
| 08:31.32 | deffener | visiting friends |
| 08:32.04 | deffener | again on the same highway in the evening when going back home |
| 08:32.29 | deffener | at ring II already |
| 08:33.18 | deffener | ring I now |
| 08:34.22 | pandmonk | im on work right now waiting for someone to teach me oracle, he`s too lazy :P |
| 08:34.35 | deffener | :D |
| 08:34.58 | deffener | to school tomorrow 9:45 |
| 08:35.15 | deffener | love finlands highschool :p |
| 08:35.48 | deffener | damn only 2-3 hours battery left, 55% |
| 08:35.48 | pandmonk | hehe ur hightschools is cool |
| 08:36.03 | deffener | hawta recharge at friends house :3 |
| 08:36.08 | pandmonk | what kind of laptop u use ? |
| 08:36.18 | deffener | Acer Aspire 1825PT |
| 08:36.30 | deffener | year 2010 |
| 08:36.34 | deffener | touchscreen |
| 08:36.47 | deffener | "who pays 1000+tax for a minilaptop" |
| 08:36.48 | pandmonk | go for macbook pro |
| 08:37.03 | pandmonk | it nice and good for battery life |
| 08:37.03 | deffener | well thats in same category |
| 08:37.13 | deffener | yep |
| 08:37.36 | deffener | thought about macbook at some point but decided to buy this from friend |
| 08:37.43 | pandmonk | i have one 2011 |
| 08:38.06 | deffener | but well, i'm closing this now |
| 08:38.16 | deffener | talk to ya later.. |
| 08:38.23 | pandmonk | ok good luck |
| 08:38.51 | pandmonk | drink some beer :D |
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| 09:02.41 | deffener | lolz |
| 09:02.56 | deffener | friend was at home |
| 09:03.10 | deffener | waiting at musiccentre |
| 09:03.45 | deffener | "drying hair". she said, "wont take long" she said |
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| 09:57.00 | deffener | at last |
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| 14:36.02 | joanna | Hello. I was wondering if a starter account can use recruit-a-friend on another player to receive the special lvl20 flying mount - does anyone know? |
| 14:45.12 | deffener | i dont think so |
| 14:46.45 | joanna | pity :( |
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| 16:11.52 | neutronimity | First, after the last pull before the first boss in Mogu'shan Palace, I die and the healer tells me my warrior gear is messed up, not high enough dodge/parry. |
| 16:12.11 | neutronimity | We do the boss flawlessly, and the healer gets oneshot from lighting. |
| 16:12.35 | deffener | and on my way to home |
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| 16:16.57 | neutronimity | Something for off-spec drops, and I ask if I can need on it, and get told by the warrior, no. Later, the healer asks wtf I am doing on the second boss (going from 1 healer add to the other). |
| 16:17.37 | neutronimity | On that boss drop, the warrior announced he's needing on the item for off-spec since I already have it. |
| 16:17.44 | neutronimity | I curiously ask why he didn't ask before. |
| 16:18.08 | neutronimity | Then we somehow get into asking what his problem was, and he said it was me. |
| 16:18.21 | deffener | seems like good raidgroup |
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| 16:19.55 | neutronimity | Got DC. |
| 16:20.03 | neutronimity | It was a 5-man dungeon. :P |
| 16:20.12 | neutronimity | (heroic= |
| 16:20.14 | neutronimity | ) |
| 16:20.25 | deffener | .. |
| 16:20.40 | deffener | you serious? |
| 16:21.05 | neutronimity | Yes |
| 16:21.34 | deffener | :( |
| 16:22.05 | neutronimity | The earlier dungeon I encountered a guild group of 3 who were yelling at me to move in Siege of Niuzao Temple |
| 16:22.25 | neutronimity | All I did was making sure that the healer was ready .. |
| 16:22.29 | neutronimity | They attempted a kick, too. |
| 16:22.50 | neutronimity | Their pala needed on the blue gear just to spite me. |
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| 16:56.38 | Djones_ | I was kicked from a dungeon group once |
| 16:56.48 | deffener | reason? |
| 16:56.53 | Djones_ | Fuck knows |
| 16:57.11 | Djones_ | I can only vaguely recall being bemused at the whole affair |
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| 17:38.42 | fewyn | fuck these tornados |
| 17:38.44 | fewyn | fuck them in the ass |
| 17:38.58 | fewyn | i was nowhere near that fucking thing |
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| 17:42.55 | Djones_ | fewyn, blade lord? |
| 17:42.58 | fewyn | yes |
| 17:43.06 | Djones_ | have you been getting to 20% yet? |
| 17:43.35 | fewyn | yes |
| 17:43.38 | fewyn | those tornados |
| 17:43.45 | Djones_ | Want to know a sexy thing about the 10% run? |
| 17:43.48 | fewyn | we've killed him easily the last few weeks |
| 17:43.53 | fewyn | what about it |
| 17:43.54 | Djones_ | Will dramatically help if you don't already know |
| 17:44.02 | Djones_ | The boss moves to the other side at about 10.5% |
| 17:44.13 | Djones_ | If you happen to run down the side of the room at say, about 12%, and leave the tanks there |
| 17:44.21 | Djones_ | You use the wind tunnel on the sides to get all the way to the other side |
| 17:44.26 | Djones_ | in like, 3 seconds |
| 17:44.33 | Djones_ | then the boss goes OKAY! and goes to meet you |
| 17:44.57 | Djones_ | between dots, bleeds, and the tanks the boss will tick down and transition over and all your dps and healers are already in place. |
| 17:45.06 | Djones_ | so you only have to do one run, not two. |
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| 17:52.51 | fewyn | i just found out haven't had tinker's on my gloves in like 4 weeks |
| 17:53.19 | Djones_ | Woops |
| 17:59.41 | fewyn | thanks for the suggest Djones_ |
| 17:59.55 | fewyn | that'll work great |
| 18:00.04 | Djones_ | fewyn, you're welcome, we found it really cuts away from the pain of the last bit of the fight |
| 18:00.10 | fewyn | yeah |
| 18:00.24 | Djones_ | I don't know about you, but we got to 20% really fast |
| 18:00.33 | Djones_ | then wiped a good 5 times as often on that bit than anywhere else |
| 18:02.08 | fewyn | yeah we just wiped once |
| 18:03.08 | fewyn | i think everyone gets how it goes now |
| 18:07.15 | JunkHead | sigh. this lfr is going to suck. |
| 18:07.23 | Djones_ | -this |
| 18:07.53 | JunkHead | we're on tsulong.. |
| 18:07.54 | JunkHead | ... |
| 18:09.32 | JunkHead | i just wanna get this shit over with.:\ |
| 18:10.06 | JunkHead | seems one of our dps is a prot paladin. |
| 18:18.05 | fewyn | i swear these tornados suck |
| 18:20.35 | JunkHead | prot pally as dps. |
| 18:20.39 | JunkHead | 16k :\ |
| 18:21.04 | JunkHead | and when asked if he's staying prot spec, HE answers "he can heal if needed." |
| 18:21.17 | JunkHead | then someone says "they're talking about you." |
| 18:21.21 | JunkHead | he says "i know" |
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| 18:23.40 | b4k4^^ | just did MsV part 2 lfr |
| 18:23.52 | b4k4^^ | half the raid got pinned by Subetai <3 |
| 18:23.55 | JunkHead | i have to do them all today.:( |
| 18:30.42 | fewyn | there we go |
| 18:30.44 | fewyn | thanks Djones_ |
| 18:30.45 | fewyn | he's dead |
| 18:30.48 | fewyn | made it much easier |
| 18:30.53 | Djones_ | You're welcome :) |
| 18:30.54 | fewyn | after we stopped hitting tornados first time |
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| 18:36.17 | Cotz | hello |
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| 18:45.40 | JunkHead | ok so, sha of fear. |
| 18:45.56 | JunkHead | about 50% or so, everyone but me quit killing the adds. |
| 18:46.15 | JunkHead | and at 25% or so, a tank died somehow. |
| 18:46.37 | JunkHead | so for the rest of the fight, me and another fury warrior tanked the boss when the other tank was ported away. |
| 18:54.19 | b4k4^^ | :P |
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| 19:51.49 | JunkHead | lfr hof pt 1 done |
| 19:58.45 | fewyn | garalon is annoying |
| 19:58.58 | fewyn | why does his legs have to keep mending on the side with the trail every god damn time |
| 20:01.54 | JunkHead | you watching the falcons-seahawks game? |
| 20:03.06 | JunkHead | ATL is up 20-7. 4:30 left in 3rd Q |
| 20:03.37 | Ward | I only watch 1 american football game a year |
| 20:04.02 | Ward | cause they only air 1 per year |
| 20:06.01 | fewyn | yes i'm watching it |
| 20:06.49 | JunkHead | i like the seahawks' shoes. |
| 20:06.55 | fewyn | poor seahawks |
| 20:10.01 | JunkHead | hof pt 2 now |
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| 20:44.38 | Jammer | fewyn: could just leave 2 legs up and then you always get mended leg on the correct side |
| 20:44.52 | Jammer | granted boss will be moving faster then |
| 21:07.19 | JunkHead | this falcon-seahawk game is turnign out to be damn good. |
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| 21:14.39 | JunkHead | falcons win |
| 21:17.54 | fewyn | i kinda wish i didn't go grocery shopping now |
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| 22:16.14 | JunkHead | ugh |
| 22:16.21 | JunkHead | trying to do 1 damn boss in msv as tank |
| 22:16.27 | JunkHead | queue pops and its on last boss.:\ |
| 22:16.35 | JunkHead | whatever. so i dedcide to stay and do it. |
| 22:16.51 | JunkHead | other tank has a green icon on his head |
| 22:17.01 | JunkHead | the two spots near the stairs are green and purple |
| 22:17.14 | JunkHead | so i put an icon on myself and get ready |
| 22:17.25 | JunkHead | bosses come, i grab purple. dude starts grabbing it off of me. |
| 22:17.37 | JunkHead | he starts grabbing both |
| 22:17.50 | JunkHead | the bosses do the 5 step combo right in the middle of the raid |
| 22:17.58 | JunkHead | "LOL BAD TANKS SUK" |
| 22:18.04 | JunkHead | i just left |
| 22:18.18 | JunkHead | i absolutely hate tanking in lfr. |
| 22:18.22 | JunkHead | because of shit like that |
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| 22:33.40 | JunkHead | no shield. again. |
| 22:38.14 | Jammer | Can't believe we finally got good raiding week after canceling so many raids since start of mop. Got normal sha of fear and 3 msv heroic bosses down for the first time and still managed to clear everything |
| 22:49.08 | fewyn | i can't believe there are so few healers in wow these days |
| 22:49.24 | fewyn | 8 minutes in lfr queue as heals |
| 22:54.49 | jane | and half the ones in queue are terrible |
| 22:55.14 | fewyn | i only need the first boss in dread approach so ican do second half |
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