| 00:02.34 | *** join/#wowhead blademeld (~Sangkeun@108.161.122.61) |
| 00:04.48 | Arideni | blademeld: hi |
| 00:04.55 | blademeld | SUP |
| 00:05.00 | blademeld | SUCK ON A WATERMELON |
| 00:05.07 | blademeld | IT IS DELICIOUS |
| 00:05.58 | blademeld | Arideni, how was your 10 day trial? |
| 00:08.13 | Djones_ | 10 days long, I imagine. |
| 00:09.04 | blademeld | Djones_, do you still play? |
| 00:09.11 | Djones_ | Aye |
| 00:10.00 | blademeld | class/spec I assume you play multiple classes |
| 00:10.06 | Djones_ | Affliction warlock is my main now |
| 00:10.21 | Djones_ | Recently moved from the priest. |
| 00:10.40 | Djones_ | Well |
| 00:10.46 | Djones_ | Afflylock in PvE. Disc and shadow priest in pvp |
| 00:11.27 | blademeld | aren't preists still top dps? |
| 00:14.55 | blademeld | lol |
| 00:15.00 | blademeld | my cloud serpent |
| 00:15.12 | blademeld | grew 5x size in 3 sex |
| 00:15.14 | blademeld | secs |
| 00:15.46 | g0urra | wow do you call it cloud serpent? |
| 00:16.51 | blademeld | rather than? |
| 00:16.55 | Djones_ | blademeld, really not. |
| 00:17.03 | blademeld | oh |
| 00:17.11 | blademeld | g0urra, sick, slow on the uptake |
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| 00:57.25 | Arideni | blademeld: almost done downloading the client, like 1gb left or something. So far, I dunno much about Cataclysm lol...leveling my warrior in WOTLK |
| 00:57.56 | blademeld | Arideni, MoP is sooo different from tBC/WotLK eh? |
| 00:59.13 | blademeld | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ac1_1357880821 |
| 01:04.33 | Djones_ | It really is blades, but in good ways. |
| 01:50.04 | LibertineLush | Arideni: you're gonna love warriors in mop |
| 01:58.17 | fewyn | holy shit there's a 29 minute queue for lfr as a tank? |
| 01:58.19 | fewyn | what |
| 02:11.46 | blademeld | fewyn, I generally wait 30-50 min as tank for lfr thurs-mon |
| 02:11.57 | blademeld | it's ~15 min on Tues/wed |
| 02:12.06 | fewyn | i'll have to remember that |
| 02:12.16 | fewyn | i only got to 460 today |
| 02:12.17 | blademeld | it also depends on the hours of the day |
| 02:12.28 | fewyn | this is "prime time" us |
| 02:12.34 | blademeld | which means more tanks |
| 02:12.52 | blademeld | there's only 2 tank slots |
| 02:12.57 | fewyn | we're missing healers |
| 02:13.00 | blademeld | still faster than queuing as DPS |
| 02:13.00 | fewyn | this is disappointing |
| 02:13.06 | blademeld | healers are most in demand |
| 02:13.14 | blademeld | healers get instant lfr queue |
| 02:13.25 | fewyn | we'll see how well i can do LFR as a tank |
| 02:13.29 | blademeld | in exchange for tanks getting instant lfd queue |
| 02:13.41 | blademeld | generally I queue lfr and then queue lfd |
| 02:13.53 | blademeld | by the time I'm done 1 dungeon I'm in lfr |
| 02:13.55 | fewyn | i don't need anything really from dungeons anymore |
| 02:14.02 | blademeld | kill time, get valor |
| 02:14.24 | blademeld | and if you're only at 463, you have some slots for ms and several slots for os |
| 02:14.25 | fewyn | i could use a ring but i think i'm going to buy the vp ring |
| 02:14.28 | blademeld | err |
| 02:14.30 | blademeld | 460 |
| 02:14.43 | blademeld | don't buy vp rings |
| 02:14.43 | fewyn | i'm not building os yet |
| 02:14.59 | fewyn | i'm revered with klaxxi only |
| 02:15.04 | blademeld | unless you mean shieldwall vp ring |
| 02:15.08 | fewyn | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/aerie-peak/Fewyn/advanced |
| 02:15.36 | blademeld | 496 vp vendor ring from shieldwall + free 489 ring from klaxxi |
| 02:15.40 | blademeld | no need to buy rings |
| 02:15.53 | fewyn | i forgot about the free klaxxi ring |
| 02:15.56 | blademeld | free 489 neck from gl, no need to buy that either |
| 02:16.06 | fewyn | i'm almost exalted with klaxxi |
| 02:16.15 | fewyn | still awhile to go on pmuch everything else even with double rep |
| 02:16.19 | fewyn | klaxxi is easy with double rep |
| 02:16.27 | blademeld | honestly there's no need to buy anything from any vendors other than shieldwall at this point in the game |
| 02:16.28 | fewyn | because all of dread wastes is klaxxi rep quests |
| 02:17.01 | fewyn | how about cloaks? |
| 02:17.08 | blademeld | get tier legs/gloves from sha, upgrade that, that's 3k vp, or 3 weeks worth |
| 02:17.21 | fewyn | i doubt i can do sha of aerie peak |
| 02:17.28 | fewyn | on* |
| 02:17.33 | blademeld | oh |
| 02:17.34 | fewyn | there's next to no people horde side |
| 02:17.36 | fewyn | on this realm |
| 02:17.39 | blademeld | lol |
| 02:17.45 | fewyn | they are all alliance |
| 02:18.00 | fewyn | low pop horde high pop alliance |
| 02:18.09 | blademeld | imo, don't buy anything from vendors |
| 02:18.28 | blademeld | other than do/operation shieldwall |
| 02:18.28 | fewyn | i don't want my vp to just rot tho even if i'm only going to temporarly wear the items |
| 02:18.39 | fewyn | i won't be doing anything beyond lfr probably |
| 02:19.20 | blademeld | right, and you're spending ~1250-2250 vp for basically a 6 ilevel upgrade compared to lfr drops |
| 02:19.28 | blademeld | usually ~1750 |
| 02:19.40 | Arideni | I loved warriors in TBC... |
| 02:19.43 | fewyn | 489s? aren't lfrs 476s? |
| 02:19.55 | blademeld | the 5.1 lfrs are 483 |
| 02:20.06 | fewyn | shrug |
| 02:20.30 | blademeld | I'd suggest buying the 476 shield from the ah |
| 02:20.38 | blademeld | Arideni, they're more awesome in mop |
| 02:20.48 | blademeld | fewyn, upgrade shield, that's 1500 vp |
| 02:21.00 | blademeld | buy ring, trink, belt and boot from dominance offensive |
| 02:21.18 | blademeld | upgrade all those |
| 02:21.35 | blademeld | you're looking at ~10+ weeks of vp grinding |
| 02:21.45 | blademeld | or more |
| 02:21.55 | fewyn | there's a shield? |
| 02:22.13 | blademeld | the only epic shield in game is either from spirit kings or a BoE shield |
| 02:22.22 | blademeld | lfr spirit king is 476 |
| 02:22.25 | fewyn | on item upgrade |
| 02:22.26 | fewyn | oh |
| 02:22.28 | blademeld | BoE is 476 |
| 02:22.50 | blademeld | so, buy the shield and never do MSV lfr once you hit 470 ilevel |
| 02:22.58 | blademeld | mvs offers little to nothing |
| 02:23.08 | blademeld | buy the dmf trink |
| 02:23.16 | blademeld | 1400 stam + 8k dodge on use |
| 02:23.19 | blademeld | upgrade that |
| 02:23.24 | blademeld | boom boom boom |
| 02:23.39 | blademeld | you're looking at ~20 weeks of vp grinding |
| 02:23.54 | blademeld | even more if you upgrade lfr or sha drops |
| 02:24.09 | blademeld | you'll be in 5.2 before you finish upgrading everything |
| 02:24.13 | blademeld | afk |
| 02:24.17 | blademeld | have to pick up sis |
| 02:24.40 | Arideni | Good night all |
| 02:25.04 | fewyn | fyi item upgrades are gone in 5.2 |
| 02:25.08 | fewyn | you won't be able to do them |
| 02:25.16 | fewyn | it might return in 5.3 |
| 02:25.19 | fewyn | but blizzard isn't sure |
| 02:28.11 | fewyn | finally queue popped |
| 02:28.17 | fewyn | 35 minutes |
| 02:39.27 | Sephiroth | <@fewyn> fyi item upgrades are gone in 5.2 |
| 02:39.28 | Sephiroth | entirely? |
| 02:39.34 | fewyn | existing items keep them |
| 02:39.37 | fewyn | but the npc is gone |
| 02:39.56 | fewyn | ghostcrawler said this on twitter today |
| 02:39.58 | Sephiroth | .. that is bullshit. |
| 02:44.36 | fewyn | it might come back in 5.3 |
| 02:44.56 | fewyn | they didn't want to have people decide between upgrading existing items or buying new vp items which are being added in 5.2 |
| 02:49.10 | fewyn | i kind of agree with the situation |
| 02:49.18 | fewyn | 5.3 is going to be like 5.1 probably |
| 02:49.28 | fewyn | and they'll add it back |
| 02:55.43 | blademeld | fewyn, exactly |
| 02:55.53 | blademeld | you get to buy higher ilevel items in 5.2 |
| 02:56.09 | blademeld | doesn't mean you want to buy the ones in 5.1 |
| 02:57.59 | fewyn | well the vp cap is 3k |
| 02:58.05 | fewyn | and i plan on capping every week |
| 02:58.11 | fewyn | so might as well spend it when i can |
| 02:58.44 | blademeld | best place: dominace offensive |
| 02:58.51 | blademeld | 496 for the price of 489 |
| 02:58.54 | fewyn | might do that |
| 02:59.14 | fewyn | just finish garajal |
| 02:59.28 | fewyn | no loot from first half |
| 02:59.38 | fewyn | i'll spend my charms on the second half |
| 02:59.41 | blademeld | will take you ~6 weeks to buy everything from dominance, and another ~6 weeks to upgrade it |
| 02:59.47 | fewyn | has half way decent gear compared to the first half |
| 02:59.54 | blademeld | and then you can think of other crap |
| 03:00.21 | blademeld | also, Sephiroth is touching himself |
| 03:00.34 | fewyn | says second half of mv is 13m queue horde side |
| 03:00.37 | fewyn | for tank |
| 03:00.41 | blademeld | nice |
| 03:01.50 | fewyn | i think i'll hit honored with dominance tomorrow |
| 03:03.10 | fewyn | rings are at honored i see |
| 03:03.19 | fewyn | trinket at revered |
| 03:03.24 | fewyn | and boots |
| 03:03.31 | fewyn | and belt |
| 03:20.11 | fewyn | http://www.wowhead.com/item=89972 ring dropped in lfr |
| 03:27.19 | fewyn | i suck at dodging devasting combos |
| 03:30.18 | Djones_ | blademeld, you playing again? |
| 03:30.24 | Djones_ | fewyn, I always get hit by the stomp |
| 03:30.29 | blademeld | I've been playing for months now |
| 03:30.37 | Djones_ | sexy. Paladin? |
| 03:30.40 | fewyn | i suck at it as dps i suck at it as a tank |
| 03:30.55 | Djones_ | fewyn, I've only done it as healer and I still suck, so don't worry ;p |
| 03:31.00 | blademeld | fewyn, Djones_ I stopped getting hit by the dev combos after the first run and stomps after second |
| 03:31.08 | Sephiroth | im averaging like 111k dps on elegon 10m normal. >.>' |
| 03:31.11 | blademeld | and monk/paladin |
| 03:31.16 | blademeld | Sephiroth, shiiiiit |
| 03:31.26 | Djones_ | Sephiroth, that's okay I guess? Missing some context though |
| 03:31.34 | blademeld | Djones_, but I've only done in lfr |
| 03:31.40 | Djones_ | blademeld, lfr is fun though |
| 03:32.00 | Sephiroth | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/uldaman/Gurloz/advanced |
| 03:32.16 | Djones_ | Sephiroth, if you're only doing 111k in that gear your guild is slow |
| 03:32.29 | blademeld | Djones_, how is 111k on elegon "okay"? |
| 03:32.43 | Djones_ | blademeld, our arcane mage in i485 did 150k last week, I did 125k in 478 |
| 03:32.52 | blademeld | I've never seen lfr elegon do more than 70k |
| 03:32.55 | Djones_ | And we're not even ranking on worldoflogs |
| 03:33.01 | blademeld | :| |
| 03:33.20 | Djones_ | Elegon is a fight where if your guild is good your raiddps skyrockets. |
| 03:33.24 | Sephiroth | Missing some context on yours, Djones_. |
| 03:33.26 | blademeld | is it? |
| 03:33.26 | Djones_ | If you kill 4, or even 5 waves, every time. |
| 03:33.32 | blademeld | oh |
| 03:33.36 | Djones_ | Sephiroth, i485 mage and i478 warlock |
| 03:33.52 | blademeld | Djones_, lfr, never got past 2-3 waves |
| 03:33.55 | blademeld | that mihgt be it |
| 03:33.58 | Djones_ | Yeah, it hurts you bad |
| 03:34.32 | blademeld | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/velen/Shinae/advanced |
| 03:34.37 | blademeld | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/velen/Luciela/advanced |
| 03:35.14 | Djones_ | Both yours blade? |
| 03:35.19 | Djones_ | Sephiroth, how many waves you killing? |
| 03:35.25 | blademeld | yes |
| 03:35.33 | Djones_ | the monk is nicely geared for only lfr |
| 03:35.40 | blademeld | weapon is not |
| 03:35.43 | blademeld | and neck |
| 03:35.51 | Djones_ | Indeed |
| 03:35.57 | Djones_ | But that's not really much difference |
| 03:36.01 | blademeld | but I am exalted with gl, so could have got a neck from there |
| 03:36.05 | Djones_ | Yeah |
| 03:36.15 | Djones_ | and the weapon isn't as good as a sha one with the gem anyways |
| 03:36.25 | blademeld | really? |
| 03:36.28 | Djones_ | Yah |
| 03:36.34 | Djones_ | 6 ilevels for 500 main stat |
| 03:36.36 | blademeld | only~433 agi diff fully upgraded |
| 03:36.46 | Djones_ | mhmm |
| 03:36.53 | blademeld | there's a dps loss too |
| 03:36.54 | Djones_ | At least, that's true for casters |
| 03:37.02 | Djones_ | It might not count for melee because yeah dps loss on the weapon |
| 03:37.10 | blademeld | honestly, waiting on the sha touched fist weapon drop |
| 03:37.16 | Djones_ | For casters it's about 300sp vs 433 int which isn't a good trade. |
| 03:37.22 | Djones_ | But you raise a valid point |
| 03:37.39 | blademeld | have the sha touched 2h in bank |
| 03:37.50 | blademeld | but not using it atm because still on quest for the gem |
| 03:37.54 | blademeld | >.< |
| 03:38.27 | Djones_ | Heh, you and me both friend |
| 03:38.35 | Djones_ | 9 power 7 sigil on the warlock |
| 03:38.43 | Djones_ | But then the warlock is a newly rolled char |
| 03:39.00 | Djones_ | Only done about 2 resets worth of raiding, but really nice droprates. |
| 03:39.02 | blademeld | 9 power 12 sig |
| 03:39.07 | Djones_ | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/stormrage/Kaiderana/simple |
| 03:39.08 | blademeld | >.> |
| 03:39.37 | Djones_ | Check out my beasty pvp gear bulking up my ilevel :p |
| 03:39.59 | blademeld | you had some damn good luck on drops for only 2 weeks of raiding |
| 03:40.09 | Djones_ | Yup |
| 03:40.13 | Djones_ | did an alt raid on it last week |
| 03:40.19 | Djones_ | Weapon dropped off elegon, and coined trinket |
| 03:40.24 | Djones_ | two drops off sha |
| 03:40.30 | Djones_ | Bear in mind that I am owed that |
| 03:40.43 | blademeld | lol |
| 03:40.44 | Djones_ | As the priest has been doing lfr and clearing MSV normal every week since pretty much 3 weeks into expac |
| 03:40.49 | Djones_ | and I had received, in total |
| 03:40.56 | blademeld | yeah, drop rates are silly |
| 03:40.58 | Djones_ | Killing 30 bosses, roughly, a week for at least 2 months |
| 03:41.03 | Djones_ | 3 drops |
| 03:41.06 | Djones_ | In 3 months |
| 03:41.11 | Djones_ | That INCLUDES normal mode loot |
| 03:41.21 | blademeld | LOL |
| 03:41.23 | Djones_ | So yeah, my warlock deserved some drops. |
| 03:41.40 | blademeld | it's like there's a random number god who hates your priest |
| 03:42.05 | Djones_ | Truest of stories. |
| 03:42.12 | Djones_ | My warlock already outgears my priest. |
| 03:42.16 | Djones_ | 2 ilevels lower |
| 03:42.20 | Djones_ | but 4set instead of like |
| 03:42.21 | Djones_ | 1set. |
| 03:43.14 | Djones_ | Said priest : http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/stormrage/Orienna/simple |
| 03:43.22 | Djones_ | Although in pee vee pee gear |
| 03:43.40 | Djones_ | That pvp weapon? That's also my pve weapon. |
| 03:44.32 | blademeld | lol |
| 03:45.10 | Djones_ | Also awwkard |
| 03:45.17 | Djones_ | Just realised my locks weapon is unenchanted |
| 03:45.30 | Djones_ | Did a full raid with it unenchanted. :| |
| 03:45.57 | blademeld | meh |
| 03:46.07 | blademeld | enchants are less amazing in this xpac |
| 03:46.12 | Djones_ | blademeld, also : First raid as a warlock : http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-386u3feqqp9h9a68/sum/damageDone/?s=7621&e=8070 |
| 03:46.47 | blademeld | >.> |
| 03:46.52 | Djones_ | Was only 121k, not 125k |
| 03:46.55 | Djones_ | But yeah, thatr's killing 8 waves |
| 03:47.31 | Djones_ | It's a massive deal |
| 03:47.41 | Djones_ | As you can see from the mage spiking at 566k dps :p |
| 03:48.57 | blademeld | yep |
| 03:49.32 | Djones_ | tempted to do raiding properly again> |
| 03:49.35 | Djones_ | ?* |
| 03:49.37 | *** part/#wowhead tkappleton (~tkappleto@c-24-126-178-210.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 03:49.40 | blademeld | me? |
| 03:49.42 | Djones_ | Yah |
| 03:49.45 | blademeld | not reallt |
| 03:49.48 | blademeld | really |
| 03:50.02 | Djones_ | Fair |
| 03:50.04 | Djones_ | Also |
| 03:50.06 | Djones_ | FEGOEHGEROHRGH |
| 03:50.07 | Djones_ | Brawlers. |
| 03:50.26 | Djones_ | I want my brawlers title but I'm not geared enough for it. >.< |
| 03:51.33 | blademeld | you have to be geared for it? |
| 03:51.45 | Djones_ | To get the Brawler Title you need to beat a rank 8 fight |
| 03:51.57 | Djones_ | You need to output 87k dps roughly to beat the enrage of the Tier 8 fights. |
| 03:52.11 | blademeld | sounds doable in your gear |
| 03:52.12 | blademeld | no? |
| 03:52.21 | blademeld | is that while self healing? |
| 03:52.30 | Djones_ | With full raid buffs, flasks and food and great rng |
| 03:52.31 | Djones_ | just about |
| 03:52.38 | Djones_ | without it? No. |
| 03:52.42 | blademeld | touche |
| 03:52.43 | Djones_ | As for self healing? Not really no. |
| 03:52.55 | Djones_ | Don't really need to spend any gcd's on that as a warlock |
| 03:53.04 | blademeld | lol |
| 03:53.18 | Djones_ | There are 4 tier 8 fights that are randomly selected |
| 03:53.35 | Djones_ | 1 of them has a damage buff which means my 20% healing off X,Y and Z ability always keeps me full health |
| 03:53.41 | blademeld | I know nothing of the brawler's guild |
| 03:53.44 | Djones_ | It's fun |
| 03:53.57 | Djones_ | The second one does literally zero damage. Or ALL THE DAMAGE |
| 03:54.02 | blademeld | it's one of those things I might do if I have time |
| 03:54.03 | Djones_ | Every single thing in it one shots you |
| 03:54.12 | blademeld | :| |
| 03:54.19 | Djones_ | The third one is pointless because seed of corruption is bugged so I can't kill it as affliction |
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| 03:54.54 | Djones_ | The fourth one is a mixture of damage and avoidable damage, but it's not enough to kill me in the tight enrage |
| 03:55.04 | blademeld | mm |
| 03:55.24 | Djones_ | Between Soul leech talent that heals me when I malefic grasp(main filler) |
| 03:55.33 | Djones_ | and siphon soul glyph which heals me when corruption ticks |
| 03:55.35 | Djones_ | I do about 8k hps |
| 03:55.59 | blademeld | that's not a lot |
| 03:56.14 | blademeld | I guess it is considering you're not doing anything else |
| 03:56.16 | blademeld | but still |
| 03:56.39 | Djones_ | The only one that could kill me kill me legit is epicus maximus |
| 03:56.43 | Djones_ | he melees for about 40k |
| 03:56.53 | Djones_ | however, he spends 10-15 seconds firing an avoidable laser at me |
| 03:57.04 | Djones_ | then casting an instagib spell you have to interrupt, then running up to me |
| 03:57.05 | blademeld | lol |
| 03:57.16 | Djones_ | so he does 200k damage, then I have 15-20 seconds to heal up |
| 03:57.43 | blademeld | not enough with 8khps |
| 03:57.59 | Djones_ | Yeah, but it's only a 2 minute enrage |
| 03:58.18 | Djones_ | so eventually he'd kill me, but I wipe LONG before that eventually. |
| 03:58.30 | blademeld | mm |
| 03:58.49 | Djones_ | Not to mention I just get myself killed on that one |
| 03:58.56 | Djones_ | Can't get past 35% before enrage, brutal |
| 03:59.12 | blademeld | afk |
| 03:59.14 | blademeld | doing stuff |
| 03:59.20 | Djones_ | Sure, playing persona 3 anyways |
| 04:01.39 | Djones_ | fewyn, you got yourself a brawlers invite yet? |
| 04:02.09 | fewyn | i've had one on my rogue since patch dropped haven't played much with it tho |
| 04:03.55 | Djones_ | Mhmm |
| 04:18.52 | blademeld | da hell |
| 04:18.58 | blademeld | Djones_, you play Persona? |
| 04:21.15 | Djones_ | Just starting |
| 04:23.07 | blademeld | hmm |
| 04:23.13 | Djones_ | Picked up persona 3 FES |
| 04:23.13 | blademeld | there's 20 cents left on my tuition |
| 04:23.17 | blademeld | do I want to pay it? |
| 04:23.26 | Djones_ | Have played a fair amount of other shin megami games long time ago though |
| 04:23.37 | blademeld | Djones_, didn't expect that from you |
| 04:23.56 | blademeld | oh yeah |
| 04:24.06 | blademeld | Djones_, got bit by a dog last wed |
| 04:24.12 | blademeld | I feel like a crupple |
| 04:24.14 | blademeld | cripple |
| 04:24.16 | blademeld | lol |
| 04:24.20 | blademeld | can't use chopsticks |
| 04:24.25 | blademeld | can't write properly |
| 04:24.34 | blademeld | not like I was writing properly to begin with |
| 04:24.43 | blademeld | fortunately doesn't effect my computer skills |
| 04:24.51 | blademeld | bit on right hand pinky* |
| 04:44.28 | Djones_ | Gg |
| 04:49.28 | Stormscape | u wa shox |
| 04:49.29 | Stormscape | u wa shox |
| 04:49.34 | fewyn | only one piece of gear from lfr from vaults |
| 04:51.25 | Jammer | one is more than none, especially if it was something you wanted :P |
| 04:53.02 | Jammer | got 1 piece out of all 5 on my DK the first week and nothing on the second... tho still missing few bosses so crossing my fingers |
| 04:56.03 | fewyn | wasn't anything i wanted |
| 04:56.18 | fewyn | i'm fine with that though |
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| 05:48.18 | Djones_ | blademeld, |
| 05:48.35 | Djones_ | I think persona 3 is secretly a game about going to school |
| 05:48.37 | Djones_ | and not much else |
| 05:48.40 | Djones_ | As i'm 15 minutes in |
| 05:48.50 | Djones_ | and so far all i've done is piss off the principal |
| 05:49.48 | fewyn | isn't that pretty much what all persona games are like? note i've only watched a couple episodes of the anime |
| 05:49.59 | Djones_ | I do not know |
| 05:50.03 | Djones_ | This is my first experience. |
| 05:50.29 | blademeld | lol |
| 05:50.38 | blademeld | isn't most japanese games going to school? |
| 05:55.17 | Djones_ | Whenever anyone in a game says |
| 05:55.20 | Djones_ | "this isn't a game" |
| 05:55.28 | Djones_ | I always get a strange sense of ambivalence |
| 05:56.49 | Djones_ | I becamse slightly more popular |
| 05:56.53 | Djones_ | This was a school simulator |
| 05:56.58 | Djones_ | but now it's just become inrealistic |
| 05:57.00 | Djones_ | un* |
| 06:01.10 | blademeld | lol |
| 06:01.28 | Djones_ | I'm sorry what. |
| 06:01.32 | Djones_ | At 12 midnight |
| 06:01.37 | Djones_ | all the normal people turn into coffins |
| 06:01.49 | Djones_ | What kind of retarded bullshit plot twist is that |
| 06:01.59 | Djones_ | That's like...why would that even happen? |
| 06:02.38 | blademeld | because Japan |
| 06:03.40 | Djones_ | Good point |
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| 09:00.17 | hypodermicninja | is wow worth playing anymore |
| 09:00.37 | hypodermicninja | stopped playing right before pandaria |
| 09:14.12 | Pahonix | now he'll never know |
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| 10:46.10 | feid | in quest vent horizon |
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| 15:19.02 | JunkPhone | im tired. |
| 15:19.06 | fewyn | me too |
| 15:19.10 | fewyn | i want to go back to bed |
| 15:19.17 | JunkPhone | me too. |
| 15:19.23 | JunkPhone | but im not at home. |
| 15:19.37 | JunkPhone | sleep is impossible currently. |
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| 15:20.54 | JunkPhone | staying at someone elses house always sucks. because you always wake up first. |
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| 15:57.36 | Stormscape | JunkPhone, I usually masturbate if that happens |
| 15:57.55 | Stormscape | They'll never let you wake up first again. |
| 15:58.14 | Amarande | sooooo. |
| 15:58.44 | Amarande | nitpick. why is it possible for holy pallies and resto shamans to get a 463 crafted caster weapon, but there's no such ilvl weapon available to any other casters unless they took Inscription? |
| 15:59.24 | Amarande | the tradable Inscription staves are much lower ilvl than the craftable blacksmithing weapons, but the only caster BS weapons this time around are 1H axes with healer stats, only useful to the aforementioned two specs |
| 15:59.41 | Amarande | (actually, maybe to ellie shamans too, but ...) |
| 16:00.12 | Amarande | also: at i444 presently. will probably finally set foot into heroics today. are they omghard like cata/BC or are they more sedate like Wrath? |
| 16:01.25 | Amarande | (is going to guess omghard, simply based on the fact that when leveling, I noticed that even regular SM post 5.0 was quite painful at level ... :|) |
| 16:05.20 | JunkPhone | i never even looked at the bs weapons. |
| 16:05.36 | JunkPhone | but i did make a scribe staff. the spirit one. |
| 16:06.35 | JunkPhone | and heroics are easy. except for a couple of bosses can be tough the first time. |
| 16:07.50 | Amarande | BS has a trainer 415 set and a Klaxxi honoured (read: have you even set foot in Dread Wastes with a BS, pretty much, since Honoured comes rapidly) 463 set |
| 16:07.59 | Ward | I just respecced my druid from feral to guardian |
| 16:08.07 | Amarande | however, all the BS weapons are physical except for a 1H axe with int and spirit |
| 16:08.22 | Ward | the leg enchant alone was more expensive than all the other enchants, gems and reforging put together |
| 16:08.57 | Amarande | otoh, the Inscription staves only come in 424, except for the 476 semi-perk staves ("semi" perk because they're BoA rather than BoP like most profession perks) |
| 16:09.43 | Ward | I love the bop staves |
| 16:09.50 | Ward | they became obsolete on my druid |
| 16:09.53 | Amarande | IOW, DPS casters don't get a craftable weapon, it's weird. |
| 16:09.59 | Ward | sent the feral one to my monk and the caster one to my shaman |
| 16:10.05 | Amarande | then again, maybe I do complain too much |
| 16:10.10 | JunkPhone | yup |
| 16:10.14 | Amarande | looking on the Klaxxi vendor, it looks like we get VENDOR 463 weapons |
| 16:10.20 | Amarande | as soon as we hit revered |
| 16:10.21 | JunkPhone | just get a 450 weapon. and do heroics. |
| 16:10.33 | JunkPhone | klaxxi weps are exalted. |
| 16:10.37 | JunkPhone | i think. |
| 16:10.40 | Amarande | oh, right. exalted. |
| 16:10.50 | Amarande | that might take a few weeks, by which point I'll probably have a 463 from heroics |
| 16:11.03 | Amarande | (and I already have a 450, as I luckily picked up the DPS caster dagger my very first time in reg Mogu'shan Palace) |
| 16:11.17 | Amarande | which reminds me. I have a quest in Mogu'shan Palace that I've picked up two of the items for |
| 16:11.34 | Amarande | should I try to finish it or just abandon it? I'm getting the impression that most groups aren't going to let you have a chance to pick up all four items :| |
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| 16:12.34 | Amarande | hm. actually maybe I should abandon it |
| 16:12.50 | Amarande | I've already got 434 bracers and the quest only gives 430, rofl |
| 16:13.31 | Amarande | grah CURSE YOU SPIRIT GEAR |
| 16:13.44 | Amarande | ffs. why do people insist on putting up so many spirit pieces on the ah |
| 16:14.45 | Amarande | (and why yes, I do main a mage. ROFL) |
| 16:15.15 | Amarande | figures that when I play casters I keep ending up picking one of the two cloth classes for which spirit gear is useless. :p |
| 16:16.03 | Ward | mages are the easiest class to gear in game |
| 16:16.08 | Ward | just roll tailoring |
| 16:16.41 | Amarande | heh, sadly, I always seem to end up putting tailoring on my priest instead, and priest is a class I tend to level quite slowly |
| 16:16.45 | Ward | the gear pool for mages in lfr is fairly small, but your drop chance is equal, so you´ve got a good chance of putting together a decent set in no time |
| 16:17.09 | Amarande | I do need to level my priest though, as he's enchanting/tailoring and I'm starting to drown in DEables that I don't have a high enough skill level to dust yet |
| 16:17.29 | Ward | I´ve always played with enchanting/tailoring on my main |
| 16:17.40 | Ward | enchanting is a must have on a main imo |
| 16:17.40 | Amarande | and which putting on the AH is a lost cause, because with the enormous deposits on Pandarian greens, it's pretty much not a profitable venture at all |
| 16:17.48 | Ward | between the DE´ing and the quick leveling |
| 16:18.06 | Amarande | I make a point to only take each crafting profession once among my characters (although I might make an exception for Alchemy once I've got all of them represented) |
| 16:18.22 | Amarande | this time, I ended up going engineering/mining on my mage |
| 16:18.30 | Ward | I have Master of All now, with only 2 90s and 2 85s |
| 16:18.32 | Amarande | hm. 476 caster DPS robe, on AH for 4000g |
| 16:18.33 | Amarande | good deal? |
| 16:18.38 | Ward | hell no |
| 16:18.43 | Ward | get the 496 one |
| 16:19.03 | Ward | twice the price, but it´ll last you into heroic raids |
| 16:19.04 | Amarande | 496 pieces usually go for more like 15k-25k on Ysera |
| 16:19.09 | Ward | hmm |
| 16:19.13 | Amarande | that's more like ... four to six times the price |
| 16:19.15 | Ward | I sell em for 8k tops on Outland |
| 16:19.25 | Ward | sometimes I sell em for 5 or 6 K |
| 16:19.31 | Ward | just because there´s so much supply |
| 16:19.37 | Amarande | for some reason prices seem to be rather high on this server |
| 16:19.45 | Amarande | like ... 22 slot bags 500g :| |
| 16:19.46 | Ward | low pop, not enough raid drops |
| 16:20.00 | Amarande | actually, Ysera's pretty much a solid middle-of-the-pack |
| 16:20.07 | Amarande | it's no Tich, but it's quite active |
| 16:20.32 | Amarande | (also, interestingly, apparently Tich has recently outstripped Illidan for most popular server in the US) |
| 16:20.41 | Ward | Outland is the center of the universe in Europe |
| 16:20.44 | Ward | everybody plays there |
| 16:21.00 | Ward | we still have queues at primetime hours |
| 16:21.36 | Amarande | on the annoying side, also, it seems like the expensive 496 items usually ARE DPS itemised |
| 16:21.41 | Amarande | while the 476 gear that goes on AH tends to be spirit crap |
| 16:21.46 | Amarande | STUPID PRIEST GEAR |
| 16:22.13 | Amarande | are the AH folks trying to give people a gentle nudge to playing more priests? heh |
| 16:22.55 | Amarande | that would be odd though, since forum posts suggest that priests are actually one of the more hated classes in the game atm |
| 16:23.21 | Amarande | (apparently, there are a lot of issues in lfr with priests using life grip or whatever it's actually called for griefing) |
| 16:24.15 | Amarande | ehh, guess I'll go ahead and get the robe. a little extra never hurts, and gold comes quickly here |
| 16:24.25 | Amarande | particularly with how many dailies I do, also ghost iron bars are a consistent seller here |
| 16:26.45 | Amarande | ULCH |
| 16:26.50 | Amarande | almost wasted money on cata gems. :| |
| 16:31.20 | b4k4^^ | lol? |
| 16:31.42 | b4k4^^ | (I wouldn't, I have a jc and a transmute alchemist) |
| 16:34.21 | b4k4^^ | random lifegripping is bloody annoying, haven't done it *ever* on my priest |
| 16:35.02 | b4k4^^ | I figure that people might learn something if they get killed by their own stupidity, esp. if they're dps |
| 16:35.12 | b4k4^^ | it's not like lfr *needs* one dps |
| 16:36.02 | Amarande | actually, the problem is griefers are using it to pull people INTO the fire |
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| 16:36.15 | b4k4^^ | been there, survived always =P |
| 16:36.31 | b4k4^^ | last time on Galleon, someone pulled me under the boss |
| 16:36.45 | Amarande | then you have the people who dump group because they entered LFR partially-in earlier in the week and have reached the boss that they can no longer get loot from |
| 16:36.54 | Amarande | and then they pull BEFORE dumping group :p |
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| 17:08.58 | JunkPhone | i had pancakes. |
| 17:09.49 | b4k4^^ | nom |
| 17:32.01 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] 5.2 PTR: All Season 11 PvP Gear Available, Ghostcrawler on T15 Set Bonuses - http://www.wowhead.com/news=209889/5-2-ptr-all-season-11-pvp-gear-available-ghostcrawler-on-t15-set-bonuses |
| 17:36.32 | Amarande | hrm. sap gathering daily today for klaxxi. the glitchy one. |
| 17:36.46 | Amarande | some people say you can only gather sap once every X minutes, but really, would they make a daily that only a certain number of people can do each day? :| |
| 17:40.10 | Amarande | already been bug reported. no sense in asking a GM since they'll just tell you to abandon your entire UI and use Blizzard's ugly sack of crap |
| 18:01.36 | Amarande | yay, i450 now :) |
| 18:02.59 | fewyn | ding dong elegon is dead |
| 18:03.16 | b4k4^^ | fun |
| 18:05.06 | Djones_ | Grats |
| 18:05.08 | Djones_ | any luck on the trinket? |
| 18:05.26 | fewyn | nope |
| 18:05.26 | Djones_ | <Amarande> hrm. sap gathering daily today for klaxxi. the glitchy one. |
| 18:05.26 | Djones_ | <Amarande> some people say you can only gather sap once every X minutes, but really, would they make a daily that only a certain number of people can do each day? :| : What. |
| 18:05.29 | fewyn | we got cloth belt |
| 18:05.32 | fewyn | and starshatter |
| 18:05.37 | Djones_ | Starshatter is good for your tanks |
| 18:05.43 | fewyn | yep our dk got it |
| 18:05.47 | fewyn | http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-032h3n0u479yd1q8/sum/damageDone/?s=1183&e=1728 |
| 18:05.47 | Djones_ | Aye |
| 18:05.55 | Djones_ | First kill on elegon? |
| 18:05.57 | fewyn | ya |
| 18:06.07 | Djones_ | Double grats then, is a tough fight the first time |
| 18:06.12 | Djones_ | how many waves you kill in total? |
| 18:06.16 | fewyn | 2 |
| 18:06.23 | fewyn | or you mean sparks? |
| 18:06.24 | fewyn | 3-4 |
| 18:06.30 | Djones_ | I mean the orbs |
| 18:06.36 | Djones_ | at 85% and 50% |
| 18:06.39 | fewyn | our warrior had trouble on the 4th one of the waves |
| 18:06.52 | Djones_ | Nod. |
| 18:07.06 | Djones_ | 4 waves is really important, if you can get it. Makes the last phase significantly easier. |
| 18:07.14 | Djones_ | 3 waves is tough, but as you saw, doable. |
| 18:07.26 | Djones_ | Pretty decent dps from you and the warlock too, for a first kill. |
| 18:07.47 | fewyn | i'm typically top 1-2 dps |
| 18:08.04 | fewyn | we brought a smite priest with us today |
| 18:08.08 | fewyn | so that was interesting |
| 18:08.13 | b4k4^^ | I think we got 5 orbs per wave on our first kill |
| 18:08.17 | fewyn | (just for elegon) |
| 18:08.24 | b4k4^^ | disc priest did something like 60k :) |
| 18:08.25 | Djones_ | Yeah, smite on that fight is a big deal |
| 18:08.32 | Djones_ | although you three healed it |
| 18:08.42 | Djones_ | rather than two healing, which makes it tricky |
| 18:09.10 | Amarande | Djones: sometimes, the feeders bug out and you have to wait quite a time (or abandon the quest) to be able to get them |
| 18:09.12 | Djones_ | ...and I'm really confused as to why noxy has SW:P as by far her highest damage dealing as a disc priest. |
| 18:09.14 | Amarande | it's often suggested this might be a cooldown |
| 18:09.20 | Djones_ | Amarande, yeah, that suggestion is retarded. |
| 18:09.21 | Amarande | but a daily resource with a CD? in Pandaria? :S |
| 18:09.24 | fewyn | i hear will is exactly the same as lfr except hits harder? |
| 18:09.28 | fewyn | and you need to do mechanics? |
| 18:09.28 | Djones_ | fewyn, yup |
| 18:09.31 | Djones_ | yup. |
| 18:09.36 | fewyn | cool this should be easyish |
| 18:09.45 | Djones_ | we two shot will |
| 18:09.49 | Djones_ | The first wipe was |
| 18:09.53 | Djones_ | Oh, we three heal this, okay! |
| 18:10.05 | Djones_ | spriest goes holy, kill. |
| 18:10.19 | Djones_ | Put bosses in right position. Tanks are going to get hit HARD HARD HARD. Bear that in mind |
| 18:10.28 | Djones_ | They HAVE to dance well too, as do you |
| 18:10.43 | Djones_ | All ranged and maybe even melee should be on adds |
| 18:11.12 | Djones_ | Your add prio will change depending on your setup. For us it was often Courages -> Rages -> Strengths but for most its Courages -> Strengths -> Rages. |
| 18:11.28 | Djones_ | You'll probably want someone to tank the strengths |
| 18:12.30 | fewyn | our dps war will |
| 18:12.36 | Djones_ | Good choice. |
| 18:12.47 | Amarande | Mind you, the comment on Blizzard's support being nearly useless is probably accurate, though. |
| 18:13.01 | Amarande | First they give us this complex UI system that no matter how much they disavow support of, they KNOW people rely on it heavily |
| 18:13.15 | Amarande | Then if you should ever need support, the first thing they do is make you stop using the UI you're used to and use their sack of crap :P |
| 18:13.22 | Djones_ | Are you off on one of your stupid rants again? |
| 18:13.46 | b4k4^^ | Elegon is very different lfr vs. normal |
| 18:13.57 | Djones_ | Yas |
| 18:13.57 | b4k4^^ | lfr doesn't have a stacking debuff |
| 18:14.10 | Djones_ | That debuff is fun. |
| 18:14.21 | b4k4^^ | yeah |
| 18:14.33 | Djones_ | You know you can stand right on the edge as a ranged and jump to clear it? |
| 18:14.40 | b4k4^^ | yes |
| 18:15.02 | b4k4^^ | first kill on normal a few weeks ago |
| 18:15.14 | Amarande | Djones: how is it stupid to point out that that's kind of hypocritical of Blizzard? :S |
| 18:15.18 | b4k4^^ | I think realm 9th |
| 18:15.19 | Djones_ | Well |
| 18:15.32 | Djones_ | Firsdtly |
| 18:15.52 | Djones_ | your penchance to blame blizzard for everything is quite amusing |
| 18:16.00 | Djones_ | Especially when in that case they're actually right |
| 18:16.15 | Djones_ | Secondly, your complete lack of ability to even understand how to do simple debugging on your addons is amusing |
| 18:16.31 | Djones_ | and thirdly it's stupid because blizzard give you options, and you complain that they don't support everything. |
| 18:16.39 | Djones_ | Would you rather they didn't let us use addons? |
| 18:17.44 | Djones_ | Game works without addons. Game doesn't work with addons. Since blizzard have no ability to debug or support third party content, why would they do anything other than tell you to turn them off if you're experiencing issues? That's not hypocritical of them, that's simply sensible. |
| 18:18.14 | Djones_ | What are you expecting? Them to ring up Elvui and be like HEY GUIS, there's this book, let's devote a fuck load of resources to fixing your mistakes. Fuck yeah. |
| 18:18.20 | Djones_ | book=bug |
| 18:18.36 | Djones_ | I.e maybe you should blame the addons responsible rather than blizzard. |
| 18:18.42 | Djones_ | Some food for thought. |
| 18:20.01 | Djones_ | b4k4^^, your realm is suprisingly slow? |
| 18:20.05 | Djones_ | New realm/low pop? |
| 18:20.13 | Djones_ | we killed it months ago and we were only like 20th |
| 18:23.29 | b4k4^^ | low raiding pop possibly |
| 18:23.34 | b4k4^^ | Moonglade EU |
| 18:23.43 | Djones_ | Ah |
| 18:39.43 | JunkPhone | tomb raider is on tv. |
| 18:39.54 | JunkPhone | angelina jolie is purdy. |
| 18:44.00 | Amarande | Djones: actually, quite a lot of times something is legitimately bugged on Blizzard's side and it's obvious that that's the case, and still they'll make you go through the addon thing |
| 18:47.19 | Djones_ | Except in this instance it isn't |
| 18:47.21 | Djones_ | Also it rarely is |
| 18:47.28 | Djones_ | 99% of the time it's because of addons |
| 18:47.51 | Djones_ | The 25% of the time you think it's legitimate is actually because of addons having corrupted something somewhere and you haven't flushed everything you should have etc |
| 18:48.04 | Djones_ | There are plenty of bugs in the game, sure. |
| 18:48.25 | Djones_ | But the vast majority of the relevant ones are player mechanic ones, like blink bug |
| 18:50.40 | Amarande | I'm also guessing that complaints like this are ultimately part of the reason why Apple is managing to lock the tech world in its little walled-garden, controlled cell, too. :| |
| 18:51.20 | Amarande | When it costs millions of dollars to develop something, we're going to see everything inevitably move to platforms where there's only one valid configuration, while customisable things like WoW and the PC and Android platforms are going to be considered "difficult and risky" ultimately. :| |
| 18:51.51 | Djones_ | You really are mental, aren't you? |
| 18:51.58 | JunkPhone | yup |
| 18:52.04 | Djones_ | I mean, I normally refrain from such accusations, even when it's clear |
| 18:52.33 | Djones_ | but trying to establish a corralatory and confirmative link between addons bugging wow and apple's business policies is just like... |
| 18:52.46 | JunkPhone | yup. |
| 18:53.38 | Djones_ | If only like, android was stronger than ever or something |
| 18:54.41 | Amarande | Well, it seems like development attitudes have certainly changed in that regard. |
| 18:54.48 | Amarande | It used to be that "a customisable platform" was spoken of in a positive way. |
| 18:55.02 | Amarande | Now for the same sort of platforms, what you hear instead is terms like "platform fragmentation" that are clearly used in a negative light. |
| 18:55.36 | Amarande | Despite the popularity of Android, I actually see this term most commonly applied to that platform, generally as a lament, and it does seem to be one of the reason why so many developers flock to iOS instead. |
| 18:55.52 | Djones_ | You are special retarded |
| 18:56.05 | Djones_ | and I move that everything you say be taken as a cruel joke against humanity. |
| 18:56.08 | Amarande | because, thanks to Apple's strictures, iOS developers can develop knowing the score as to what to expect to be the case on a user's system. |
| 18:56.17 | Djones_ | and yet |
| 18:56.20 | Djones_ | PC gaming is stronger than ever before |
| 18:56.25 | Djones_ | especially when compared to consoles |
| 18:56.47 | Amarande | on an Android? you don't know if the user will be running 2.2, 2.3, 4.0, 4.1 or what their screen size is or what their CPU is capable of or anything like that. You have to consider all these cases, and support and development costs for more complex projects soar. |
| 18:58.27 | Amarande | on a PC? you have to account for at least four heavily popular versions of Windows atm, several different CPUs from two manufacturers, two major GPU developers, etc. I'm actually surprised that PC gaming has regained strength, in that light. |
| 18:58.35 | Djones_ | and yet it has |
| 18:58.42 | Djones_ | completely making everything your saying wrong |
| 18:58.46 | Amarande | It also explains Blizzard's eagerness to make you go back to their default UI, due to the "single configuration support" bit. |
| 18:59.40 | Amarande | And yet, consider that a lot of more complex games projects seem to only appear on iOS rather than Android, and even when they do show up for both, quite frequently Android gets it noticeably later. |
| 18:59.54 | Djones_ | except no. |
| 19:00.28 | Djones_ | square enix games for android |
| 19:00.31 | Djones_ | incoming baldurs gate. |
| 19:00.41 | Amarande | Djones: pretty sure they were on iOS several months earlier, though |
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| 19:01.06 | Djones_ | Nope. |
| 19:01.14 | Amarande | also, note that PS3/360 releases of games are frequently a few weeks ahead of the PC ones |
| 19:01.27 | Amarande | and typically, it's all too common for the PC players to be stuck with a port rather than the other way around |
| 19:01.33 | Djones_ | And yet |
| 19:01.36 | Amarande | with it being clear that the game would have had more features but for the need to design around the console market |
| 19:01.38 | Djones_ | there are something ridiculous like 10 times the pc games |
| 19:01.39 | Djones_ | as console |
| 19:01.51 | Djones_ | There are no mainstream console only games |
| 19:01.55 | Djones_ | and many times many mainstream pc games |
| 19:01.56 | Amarande | Compare Morrowind with its successors in the Elder Scrolls series, say. |
| 19:01.59 | Djones_ | not even touching the indy market |
| 19:02.21 | Amarande | There are, however, plenty of mainstream PC games where it's clear the design was console based, though, which tends to lead to infuriated gamers |
| 19:02.28 | Djones_ | sure |
| 19:02.37 | Djones_ | go play a fps/rts/sim game on your console |
| 19:02.38 | Djones_ | oh wait |
| 19:02.48 | Amarande | due to a) often limited features that would've not been the case were it a PC only release, and b) oftentimes the PC controls being much less fluid, due to the game being designed around a controller |
| 19:02.56 | Djones_ | go play a mmo, moba or massive fps on a console |
| 19:02.58 | Djones_ | oh wait |
| 19:03.14 | Djones_ | And you're talking as if it's 2008 |
| 19:03.20 | Djones_ | PC gaming right now pisses all over consoles |
| 19:03.23 | Djones_ | Borderlands 2 for instance |
| 19:04.10 | Djones_ | What else, *looks* |
| 19:04.11 | Djones_ | Dishonoured |
| 19:04.13 | Djones_ | Saints row |
| 19:04.19 | Djones_ | Xcom |
| 19:04.23 | Djones_ | Every total war game ever. |
| 19:04.28 | Djones_ | Far cry 3 |
| 19:04.29 | Djones_ | coD |
| 19:04.40 | Djones_ | Assassins creed |
| 19:04.49 | Djones_ | All outselling on the PC than console |
| 19:05.06 | Djones_ | Your argument is invalid. Please hang up, and don't try again. |
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| 19:07.37 | Amarande | Also, you kind of do have to agree that the default Blizzard UI really is quite a dog compared to what most people have addons set up for. :) |
| 19:08.17 | Djones_ | And yet. |
| 19:08.22 | Djones_ | People use it, at very high level |
| 19:08.22 | b4k4^^ | which reminds me, I need to check if I have OmniCC enabled |
| 19:08.33 | Djones_ | It's not to my taste but every top tier pvper uses it, and a lot of top tier raiders too. |
| 19:08.38 | Amarande | Djones: sometimes I wonder how they live with it. :) |
| 19:08.44 | Djones_ | In terms of pvp, they have too. |
| 19:08.54 | Djones_ | Tournaments require default ui |
| 19:08.55 | Amarande | Or why they'd use the default UI instead of one customised for their particular activities, for that matter |
| 19:09.22 | Djones_ | Because there is nothing in addons that is actually -needed- |
| 19:09.25 | Djones_ | Not for raiding. |
| 19:09.28 | fewyn | spirit kings is dead |
| 19:09.32 | fewyn | vaults is COMPLETE |
| 19:09.33 | Djones_ | Lots of addons make stuff EASIER |
| 19:09.36 | Djones_ | Will you mean :p |
| 19:09.42 | Djones_ | And yeah, a lot easier than elegon, right? |
| 19:09.45 | Djones_ | Also : Grats :) |
| 19:09.55 | Djones_ | But there's pretty much no addon that is -essential- for raiding, at all. |
| 19:10.14 | Djones_ | Simple fact of the matter is top tier players don't need addons because they're better than you. |
| 19:10.23 | fewyn | yes |
| 19:10.26 | fewyn | i meant will |
| 19:10.29 | Djones_ | Yah |
| 19:10.33 | Djones_ | So much easier than elegon |
| 19:10.35 | fewyn | i got me the hat |
| 19:10.41 | fewyn | leather one |
| 19:10.55 | Amarande | Djones: boss timers are usually considered essential, unless you have the mental timing of a ninja |
| 19:11.04 | Djones_ | Boss timers are not remotely essentia |
| 19:11.07 | Djones_ | They haven't been since T12 |
| 19:11.22 | Djones_ | Every single mechanic nowadays is easily predicted, on a set timer +/- some seconds |
| 19:11.44 | Djones_ | There is literally nothing in current raiding, nor was there in DS or Firelands in which you needed a timer to handle |
| 19:11.55 | Djones_ | There was ONE mechanic in which a timer was essential for raiding in all of cata |
| 19:11.59 | Amarande | Heh, I never got around to raiding in Cata |
| 19:12.03 | Djones_ | and that was Shadowblaze on Nefarion |
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| 19:12.13 | Amarande | The last time I did serious weekly raiding in current content was in ICC |
| 19:12.15 | Djones_ | Everything else is predictable, regular and easily handled |
| 19:12.30 | Djones_ | Right, so don't make claims on outdated information then. |
| 19:12.46 | Djones_ | I only use boss timers myself as I'm a raid leader and like to call stuff out for people. |
| 19:12.46 | Djones_ | I don't need them for myself |
| 19:12.55 | Amarande | Predictable and regular, including the fact that so far, quite a lot of MoP content seems to hate mages :p |
| 19:12.58 | Djones_ | And on fights i don't raid lead/don't need too, I don't bother looking at them |
| 19:13.02 | Djones_ | Awkward moment when what. |
| 19:13.03 | Amarande | I'm starting to think that Rune of Power is cursed. |
| 19:13.05 | Djones_ | Are you shitting me? |
| 19:13.10 | Djones_ | If only like |
| 19:13.14 | Djones_ | mages were top dps on most fights |
| 19:13.23 | Amarande | It seems that almost every time I feel like I could really use the boosts from Rune of Power, either |
| 19:13.33 | Amarande | a) the enemies use some kind of knockback so I get forcibly moved |
| 19:13.40 | Djones_ | Stop being bad. |
| 19:13.49 | Amarande | or b) the enemies use some kind of don't-stand-in-the-shit that actually gets targeted on random DPS so I have to keep moving |
| 19:13.57 | Djones_ | Stop being bad. |
| 19:13.59 | Amarande | and moving and mages aren't the best of buddies :P |
| 19:14.02 | Djones_ | Stop being bad. |
| 19:14.23 | Amarande | let's see ... I can cast Arcane Barrage and pathetic Scorch if I have to constantly move |
| 19:14.30 | Djones_ | Like, to say that mages are in a bad place right now is almost as ludicrous as saying apple bases stringent business policy on complains about wow addons |
| 19:14.45 | Amarande | and since Scorch has a cast time, I have to drag out my nonexistent FPS skills and manage to circle strafe skillfully since I need to keep keeping the target in front of me. |
| 19:14.49 | Djones_ | Okay, well |
| 19:14.51 | Djones_ | Since mages are top dps |
| 19:14.53 | Djones_ | And you're not |
| 19:14.58 | Djones_ | Where do you think the problem is? |
| 19:15.08 | Djones_ | you or the other million mages who frequently smash dps meters? |
| 19:15.32 | Amarande | And that's for group boss battles. In the world, meanwhile, oftentimes you don't get the luxury of kiting or moving much because the mob density is too high and mages can't pick up too many adds before they crumple over like a wet piece of cloth. :) |
| 19:15.38 | fewyn | http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-032h3n0u479yd1q8/sum/damageDone/?s=5010&e=5680 way too much movement |
| 19:15.47 | fewyn | so much time spent moving |
| 19:15.54 | Djones_ | fewyn, aye |
| 19:15.57 | Djones_ | You'll get used to it though |
| 19:16.01 | Djones_ | you'll find a rhythm |
| 19:16.12 | Djones_ | Amarande, do you have a response to "mages are top dps, what the fuck are you talking about?" |
| 19:16.19 | fewyn | i got my helm from will |
| 19:16.21 | fewyn | so i'm happy |
| 19:16.26 | Djones_ | aye, tis sexy. |
| 19:16.27 | fewyn | bonus roll worked for once |
| 19:16.27 | Amarande | Djones: not every battle is patchwerk? |
| 19:16.35 | Djones_ | Amarande, they're top dps on most fights |
| 19:16.36 | fewyn | had to transmog it because it looks like ASS |
| 19:16.37 | Djones_ | Let's take elegon for example |
| 19:16.43 | Amarande | I usually *am* top DPS when I don't need to move excessively often. |
| 19:16.54 | Djones_ | http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Elegon/10N/100/14/60/default/ : Oh, second dps to affly warlock |
| 19:17.03 | Djones_ | How about blade lord Tyrak, lots of movement on that one |
| 19:17.05 | Amarande | Probably saved me a vote kick from these three Aerie Peak guildies in heroic Temple of the Jade Serpent earlier, heh |
| 19:17.25 | Djones_ | http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Blade_Lord_Ta%27yak/25N/100/14/60/default/ : Second again to warlock |
| 19:17.33 | kullervo | http://i.imgur.com/JE4ng.gif |
| 19:17.39 | Djones_ | Garalon! That has movement in it |
| 19:17.47 | Amarande | let's see, what did they do |
| 19:17.50 | Djones_ | http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Garalon/25N/100/14/60/default/ : damn, yeah, those mages get hurt |
| 19:17.53 | Amarande | oh, yeah, they didn't stop to even look at the loot from the first boss |
| 19:18.04 | Djones_ | Still middle of the pack |
| 19:18.10 | Djones_ | still above a lot of specs |
| 19:18.16 | Amarande | then when I stopped to look at the loot, I found the door leading forward was hermetically locked on me and I couldn't continue in the dungeon for quite some time |
| 19:18.30 | Amarande | and when I chided them for not stopping for the loot, they drug out the R word |
| 19:18.42 | Amarande | or one of them did, anyway. his guildies apologised for him and said that he was an ass to everyone heh |
| 19:18.45 | Djones_ | You are retarded. |
| 19:18.51 | Djones_ | So I can see how they'd use that. |
| 19:19.00 | Djones_ | Mages aren't good right now. I lol'd. |
| 19:19.02 | Amarande | Djones: retarded because I actually wanted to see what the boss loot was? :P |
| 19:19.15 | Amarande | some of these people in heroics apparently forget that some of us are still i455 and can still use the loot from heroics |
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| 19:19.40 | Amarande | indeed, you can use the loot from heroics until you've got 463 or better in every slot, pretty much |
| 19:19.42 | Djones_ | Retarded because you think mages are bad right now, because you think apple makes important business decisions based around idiots complaining to another company about third party software, because you seem to think that you know anything about raiding. and so on and so forth. |
| 19:20.17 | Amarande | Seeing as even if you're average 463 and can lfr, the useful loot rate from LFR is apparently so dreadfully low that you can still use heroics for quite some weeks after you can join LFR, on average. |
| 19:20.33 | Djones_ | Mostly because you keep making crazy outlandish statements, refuse to acknowledge or consider any counterpoints and continue on your own blatently self-ego stroking rants about whatever it is you think is wrong with your world this time, kind of like you're doing right now. |
| 19:20.54 | Amarande | actually, "the ecosystem" is something Apple apparently does put great care and thought into |
| 19:21.30 | Amarande | and I'm more thinking about what makes many (possibly more past than present, but still many present) developers choose walled-garden platforms over ones like PC and Android that are much more customisable |
| 19:21.50 | Djones_ | Provide evidence for that claim |
| 19:22.04 | Amarande | Indeed, if it wasn't for Android's market share, I'd be surprised sometimes that we get apps, considering the feedback I see on so many of them |
| 19:22.17 | Djones_ | Provide evidence that in any way states that there is a mass exhaunt from android development? |
| 19:22.32 | Djones_ | waits. |
| 19:22.35 | Amarande | which is usually peppered, among the positive reviews, with loads of one-star "it doesn't work on (phone or tablet model)" complaints |
| 19:23.07 | Amarande | Pick your favourite Android app, try to find a set of reviews that doesn't include someone slagging it because it doesn't work on their particular phone for no discernible reason |
| 19:23.08 | Djones_ | Can you explain why Android has such a high market share if there are no developers for apps? |
| 19:23.26 | Amarande | I'm saying it HAS the developers it does BECAUSE of the market share, and probably wouldn't if it didn't |
| 19:23.40 | Djones_ | Maybe it has the market share because it has the developers? |
| 19:23.46 | Amarande | because of said headache of having to consider so many different hardware and OS version configurations. |
| 19:23.47 | Djones_ | Oddly enough you have to have a product before you can sell it |
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| 19:52.51 | Amarande | huh, that's an odd error message |
| 19:53.09 | Amarande | nothing unusual seems to have happened, but when I entered the Emperor's Step in the Shrine of Seven Stars, I got a message saying "You are in the wrong zone" |
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| 20:27.36 | Amarande | yay, cloud serpent dailies make me love being a mage |
| 20:27.49 | Amarande | rotten egg buff. +25% all damage. and why hey it's a magic type! :D |
| 20:28.28 | Amarande | I don't remember spellsteal being this useful in the past |
| 20:30.12 | fewyn | football starts in about 30 minutes, i get to watch sports in HD ~HURRAH~ |
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| 21:27.47 | Amarande | ugh, eff you Cracklefang |
| 21:27.58 | Amarande | this guy reminds me of the worse aspects of Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden type games. :| |
| 21:28.14 | Mr_Rabies | it's a dark souls reference |
| 21:28.24 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies, I'm talking about the fight mechanics, actually :P |
| 21:28.27 | Mr_Rabies | even the strategy to fight him in dark souls more or less works in wow |
| 21:28.33 | Mr_Rabies | it's very similar |
| 21:28.48 | Mr_Rabies | strike->flee when he telegraphs his sword swing |
| 21:28.48 | Amarande | it's good old console action game style "two hits and you're dead and there's a ginormous area that gets hit" |
| 21:28.58 | Mr_Rabies | that's what dark souls is all about |
| 21:29.09 | Amarande | heh, until you get caught on the rocks nearby while trying to run, and thus catch a sword because you can't get to the other side fast enough |
| 21:29.16 | Mr_Rabies | it's basically just like the great wolf sif fight |
| 21:29.17 | Djones_ | Welcome to dark souls |
| 21:29.26 | Amarande | oh yeah, and keep in mind that you need to sustain this for a ridiculously large amount of HP |
| 21:29.34 | Djones_ | Or you could just like |
| 21:29.36 | Amarande | yeah, welcome to your typical console action adventure game. :| |
| 21:29.37 | Djones_ | kill him and give no shits |
| 21:29.49 | Mr_Rabies | here, maybe this will help, Amarande: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A0QTPylSjA |
| 21:30.00 | Djones_ | He only has 1.6mil anyways |
| 21:35.30 | Amarande | yay, that time it worked |
| 21:35.35 | Amarande | oh, nice, a rich trillium vein for my troubles |
| 21:35.40 | Amarande | and it's actually black ore this time |
| 21:35.55 | Amarande | srsly. ever notice how you always seem to end up getting way more of one sort of trillium ore than the other, just to piss you off? :) |
| 21:36.15 | Mr_Rabies | i just transmute trillium bars directly |
| 21:36.24 | Mr_Rabies | none of thise yin yang ore bullshit |
| 21:36.39 | Amarande | I know, next expansion we can have the high end stuff all be crafted instead of dropped |
| 21:36.48 | Amarande | but we'll make it all require this one special ore that has three or four parts |
| 21:37.05 | Amarande | of which two are super common and the other one is a super rare raid find, like those McDonald's Monopoly game pieces heh |
| 21:37.17 | Mr_Rabies | or... alchemists can just make it from common materials |
| 21:37.25 | Mr_Rabies | that's usually how it goes, at least |
| 21:37.26 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 21:37.50 | Mr_Rabies | deep, annoying rarity system, or alchemy can bypass all that and continue to rake in record profits |
| 21:40.24 | Amarande | you know, they really need to give the other professions some viable love :) |
| 21:40.51 | Djones_ | Except that they all make money |
| 21:41.03 | Amarande | well, none so simply as alchemy |
| 21:41.08 | Djones_ | Sure they do |
| 21:41.15 | Djones_ | Tailoring you just make 400g a day from silk |
| 21:41.23 | Djones_ | Engineering you make money from cogs |
| 21:41.30 | Djones_ | Inscription you sell glyphs |
| 21:41.37 | Amarande | oh, that's right, cogs |
| 21:41.40 | Djones_ | Herbalism, mining you just sell raw mats |
| 21:41.48 | Amarande | there's that nice little dragonling now |
| 21:41.58 | Amarande | used to be cogs weren't of much worth since the only things that took them were eng-specific |
| 21:42.29 | Djones_ | Guess Blacksmithing might suck a little at the moment, don't have one so hard to say |
| 21:42.59 | Djones_ | JCing you just prospect stuff and sell raw gems |
| 21:46.22 | Mr_Rabies | alchemy's absolutely the most profitable profession |
| 21:46.29 | Djones_ | Not really |
| 21:46.56 | Amarande | and with how hard shit hits in the daily quest areas, you start to find potions to be a lot more suggestive of an investment than they used to be |
| 21:46.57 | Djones_ | You have a much higher profit return via inscription, although usually lower margins |
| 21:47.03 | Mr_Rabies | cogs and glyphs go for nothing |
| 21:47.17 | Djones_ | you sell hundreds of glyphs a day however |
| 21:47.25 | Djones_ | I easily make more money via glyphs than alchemy |
| 21:47.34 | Amarande | add the fact that quite a lot of questing mobs seem to be at that "semi-elite" level as well that's a good bit more powerful than the "regular" normal mob strength |
| 21:47.36 | Djones_ | Alchemy makes more money PER, but you sell a lot less. |
| 21:47.39 | Mr_Rabies | my guild's GM let about 5k glyphs delete from his mailbox because they weren't worth the time |
| 21:47.45 | Djones_ | Then he's silly. |
| 21:47.53 | Amarande | yeah, I'm leveling inscription and I have a lot of trouble selling glyphs |
| 21:47.54 | Djones_ | If I push the inscription market hard right now |
| 21:47.57 | Djones_ | I can make 10k a day or so |
| 21:48.10 | Mr_Rabies | 10k in a day is chump change compared to alchemy though |
| 21:48.17 | Amarande | or is it only the new ones that you have to discover via Pandaria recipes that sell? |
| 21:48.20 | Djones_ | That's 10k profit |
| 21:48.24 | Djones_ | not 10k throughput |
| 21:48.26 | Mr_Rabies | even then |
| 21:48.37 | Djones_ | Alchemy doesn't tend to make 10k profit a day |
| 21:48.42 | Amarande | as for eng, it seems what really sells big there are the mounts |
| 21:48.43 | Djones_ | because the profit margins on the bulk items are non existant |
| 21:48.51 | Djones_ | and the transmute stuff is profitable, but you get a lot less sales |
| 21:48.55 | Amarande | but, considering how you have to be rather rich to begin with simply to even try to make that 100k from a mount |
| 21:49.02 | Mr_Rabies | flasks and the non-cooldown transmutes have better profit margins than glyphs |
| 21:49.11 | Mr_Rabies | and glyphs are permanent |
| 21:49.20 | Djones_ | Flasks have horrid margins |
| 21:49.23 | Mr_Rabies | once you have that glyph, any duplicates are useless |
| 21:49.26 | Djones_ | You're making less than 100g per flask |
| 21:49.32 | Djones_ | and you can usually only shift about 30-50 a day |
| 21:49.36 | Mr_Rabies | you make about 1g per glyph at most on my realm |
| 21:49.40 | Djones_ | Lol |
| 21:49.44 | fewyn | eh |
| 21:49.45 | Djones_ | then your realm is swamped to fuck |
| 21:49.45 | Mr_Rabies | you're better off selling the herbs |
| 21:49.48 | fewyn | i make a bit more than that |
| 21:49.56 | Mr_Rabies | herbs sell, glyphs don't |
| 21:49.58 | Djones_ | I'm selling glyphs for around 20-30g |
| 21:50.05 | Djones_ | sometimes up to 100g, but that's rare. |
| 21:50.06 | fewyn | https://theunderminejournal.com/seller.php?realm=A-Velen&seller=Manawyn |
| 21:50.24 | fewyn | hrm did things expire... or did i sell a lot of shit i wonder |
| 21:51.15 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: it also makes one wonder about the health of WoW in general |
| 21:51.22 | Amarande | I mean, there's a pretty big subscriber base |
| 21:51.24 | Mr_Rabies | professions need an overhaul |
| 21:51.30 | Amarande | but when you see how poorly lower-level profession stuff has been selling lately |
| 21:51.33 | Mr_Rabies | they're outdated and not really working anymore |
| 21:51.49 | Amarande | what that suggests is that fewer and fewer people are joining the game anymore, and that almost the entire playerbase is established players with max level characters |
| 21:52.00 | Mr_Rabies | alchemy is more profitable than most, but even its margins are shrinking |
| 21:52.02 | Djones_ | Amarande, and that's been true since TBC |
| 21:52.09 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 21:52.11 | Mr_Rabies | not really that |
| 21:52.37 | Mr_Rabies | it's just... the game's no longer designed for you to go back to town every level or so as you level up |
| 21:52.42 | Mr_Rabies | you stay in the world and continue leveling |
| 21:52.52 | Amarande | sure, there's alts, but especially now with the huge daily ring-around-the-lotus that Pandaria is and the fact that so many things are account-wide anyway so your main does it and that's that, I imagine a lot of players don't really have time for alts anymore |
| 21:52.55 | Mr_Rabies | which defeats much of the need for a lot of the crafted goods |
| 21:53.04 | Mr_Rabies | the only low level stuff that sells are low-level mats |
| 21:53.11 | Mr_Rabies | hell |
| 21:53.15 | Amarande | even low-level mats can sell poorly, mithril bars I've noticed tend to sit |
| 21:53.16 | Djones_ | And they only sell because of people powerlevelling profs |
| 21:53.20 | fewyn | the only time i go backto town while leveling is if i need to buy something off the AH or at 20/40/60/70/80/85 |
| 21:53.31 | Mr_Rabies | the only high level stuff that really sells are mats, until the top-end stuff |
| 21:53.55 | Mr_Rabies | no one buys anything on the AH when they can just get a buddy to make it for them for nothing |
| 21:54.08 | Amarande | I went back to town on a daily basis when leveling, but ... |
| 21:54.26 | Amarande | 1) I was working on getting all the cooking recipes on this character that need the cooking tokens, so I had to do Dala and capital cooking dailies |
| 21:54.46 | Amarande | 2) I'm a mage. It's not anywhere near as much of a pain in the ass for me to go globetrotting than for another class |
| 21:55.25 | Amarande | 3) I don't have a dedicated AH alt atm, so I have to keep going back to town to post stuff |
| 21:55.33 | Amarande | you know what we need |
| 21:55.37 | Mr_Rabies | i've just come to terms with the fact that professions are for me supporting my main |
| 21:55.38 | Amarande | engineers need a portable auction house :) |
| 21:55.51 | Amarande | we have a portable mailbox, a portable bank/repair bot/reagent seller, we just need a portable auctioneer now |
| 21:56.03 | Mr_Rabies | the real money's made on playing the auction house |
| 21:56.05 | Djones_ | I'd rather a portable reforger. |
| 21:56.08 | Amarande | although ... maybe not |
| 21:56.23 | Amarande | seeing as when you use Auctioneer like I do, the amount of time it takes to scan the AH would probably be more than the portable auctioneer would be up for |
| 21:56.27 | Mr_Rabies | Djones_: they're unhappy with how often people have to reforge nowadays |
| 21:56.41 | Mr_Rabies | so i think we'll sooner see reforging get some changes |
| 21:56.47 | Mr_Rabies | you don't use the quick scan, Amarande? |
| 21:56.50 | Djones_ | Well they shouldn't have made it so that it's mandatory the moment you get a new piece of gear. |
| 21:56.57 | Mr_Rabies | the quick scan should take like a minute, at most |
| 21:57.14 | fewyn | i use tsmapp+tuj+auc-auctiondb addon |
| 21:57.16 | Amarande | I've not even been bothering with enchants on gear this expansion unless they are epics |
| 21:57.28 | fewyn | it let's auctioneer's data merge with tuj data |
| 21:57.32 | fewyn | and gives me good prices |
| 21:57.35 | Amarande | and as for reforging, I need my gear to get to the point where it's stable enough that I can figure out wtf should reforge to what |
| 21:57.50 | Mr_Rabies | i haven't bothered with enchants on anything other than epics since wrath, really |
| 21:58.04 | Amarande | which means not at least till I've collected everything I can from heroics |
| 21:58.05 | Mr_Rabies | except the first few weeks of progression raiding on my main |
| 21:58.17 | Amarande | at that point might be worth reforging, seeing as the general buzz is that the gear improvement rate from lfr is abysmal |
| 21:58.37 | Amarande | most of the time you get gold, and when you don't get gold, you don't always get items that are for the slots that really need a boost |
| 21:58.47 | Amarande | btw, speaking of lfr drops |
| 21:58.49 | Mr_Rabies | it's about even with other raid difficulties, on average |
| 21:58.56 | Amarande | if you do a boss encounter at one point in the week, get your loot |
| 21:59.07 | Mr_Rabies | that's how it should be, imo |
| 21:59.08 | Djones_ | Mr_Rabies, the problem is how wildly that average skews, compared to normal |
| 21:59.15 | Djones_ | my priest got 2 drops in 3 months |
| 21:59.18 | Amarande | and then do the same boss later on in the week, can you use a good fortune coin *then* or can you only do it during the first kill? |
| 21:59.21 | Djones_ | my warlock has 4set lfr in one week |
| 21:59.25 | Mr_Rabies | that's how it is in normal modes sometimes, Djones_ |
| 21:59.36 | Djones_ | Not really, since normal mode you have a group of reasonable people |
| 21:59.37 | Djones_ | usually |
| 21:59.43 | Djones_ | who are aware when you fall behind on loot |
| 21:59.46 | Mr_Rabies | i've got only 2 pieces of tier and i'm like...490 |
| 21:59.48 | Djones_ | and happily pass stuff to you etc |
| 21:59.51 | Mr_Rabies | one piece of tier's lfr |
| 22:00.08 | Djones_ | Normal mode is a lot more stable |
| 22:00.09 | Amarande | mind you, the gear improvement rate from heroics might become abysmal soon too |
| 22:00.12 | fewyn | if you're not raiding with assholes loot it shared out equally |
| 22:00.16 | Djones_ | ^ |
| 22:00.19 | Mr_Rabies | we get the same drops just about every week |
| 22:00.26 | fewyn | same here raybeez |
| 22:00.27 | Amarande | seeing as I noticed in Temple of the Jade Serpent that some groups don't even stop for the loot even if people still might need it |
| 22:00.35 | fewyn | it gets kinda annoying |
| 22:00.36 | Amarande | especially if it's like the first boss where he takes a few seconds to die after you defeat him |
| 22:00.40 | fewyn | like that healer ring from garajal |
| 22:00.46 | fewyn | every fucking week |
| 22:00.47 | Mr_Rabies | we'll disenchant everything in a whole run with a tank in 480ish gear |
| 22:00.53 | Mr_Rabies | just because we got all the same drops as last week |
| 22:00.54 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies, then there's the "drops for the only classes you don't have" |
| 22:00.59 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 22:01.01 | Mr_Rabies | that's okay, though |
| 22:01.09 | Djones_ | Mr_Rabies, well |
| 22:01.12 | Djones_ | you do that for one week |
| 22:01.14 | Mr_Rabies | if i geared up really fast, i'd probably quit playing each tier |
| 22:01.20 | Amarande | I remember my ICC days, we had a hunter I think only once the entire time, and we rarely had a shaman, pretty much only when this one lady from another guild would join us on an irregular basis |
| 22:01.20 | Djones_ | you have enough blood spirits to give that tank a 496 |
| 22:01.31 | Amarande | ... cue incredibly high drop rate of mail armour and ranged weapons :P |
| 22:01.38 | fewyn | if you have the pattern |
| 22:01.46 | Djones_ | You can find people in trade for that |
| 22:01.48 | Djones_ | Doesn't cost too much |
| 22:01.54 | Mr_Rabies | i remember going for months without a single upgrade in firelands |
| 22:01.55 | Amarande | This is when you start wondering if Blizzard designs the drop rates that way :) |
| 22:02.05 | Mr_Rabies | it's just random |
| 22:02.14 | fewyn | i still don't have real daggers on my rogue |
| 22:02.23 | Mr_Rabies | your sample size is always going to be too low to see the big picture |
| 22:02.29 | fewyn | using 2x winterveil daggers |
| 22:02.30 | Amarande | Kind of like how it seems like disproportionately often, when you think you've delivered a death blow to a mob, it ends up with some lousy small sliver of HP left |
| 22:02.40 | Mr_Rabies | but it's random |
| 22:02.47 | Amarande | I start to swear that Blizzard tunes mob HP and damage numbers in order to make you need one more hit like that LOL |
| 22:02.52 | Mr_Rabies | pfft |
| 22:02.55 | Mr_Rabies | that's what dots are for |
| 22:03.02 | Djones_ | Mr_Rabies, I disagree. Normal raids have an additional system in place to manage loot distribution |
| 22:03.08 | Djones_ | It's called Not being assholes to each other |
| 22:03.18 | Mr_Rabies | that's assuming stuff you raid can use drops |
| 22:03.21 | Mr_Rabies | your* |
| 22:03.23 | Djones_ | Yes, and invariably it does |
| 22:03.26 | fewyn | we still do loot master |
| 22:03.37 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, so do we, i don't really know why |
| 22:03.37 | fewyn | but i pretty much just right click and request rolls |
| 22:03.43 | Mr_Rabies | it's kind of a waste of time |
| 22:03.49 | Djones_ | To prevent accidental disenchants |
| 22:03.52 | Mr_Rabies | i'd sooner just run need before greed |
| 22:03.54 | Djones_ | over offspec greeds |
| 22:03.57 | fewyn | yeah |
| 22:03.58 | Djones_ | is why |
| 22:04.02 | fewyn | i guess that's a good reason to do it |
| 22:04.11 | Mr_Rabies | just tell people not to roll disenchant :p |
| 22:04.11 | Djones_ | sure tell people to not disenchant |
| 22:04.19 | Djones_ | but there's always someone who forgets |
| 22:04.23 | fewyn | i'll forget |
| 22:04.28 | fewyn | trust me |
| 22:04.32 | Djones_ | and it takes all of 5 seconds longer |
| 22:04.33 | fewyn | i'll totes forget |
| 22:04.37 | Mr_Rabies | offspecs should be a need, though |
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| 22:04.42 | Djones_ | no |
| 22:04.43 | Mr_Rabies | just talk to the raid and see who needs it first |
| 22:04.45 | Djones_ | mainspec should be a need |
| 22:04.50 | Mr_Rabies | if no one else needs it, then you need it |
| 22:04.52 | Djones_ | that takes twice as long :P |
| 22:04.56 | Mr_Rabies | if someone else does, then you don't gotta do anything |
| 22:04.57 | fewyn | main spec need, off spec greed, disenchant transmog |
| 22:05.04 | Amarande | also, wishlist things for wow |
| 22:05.09 | Amarande | more quest log space, plox |
| 22:05.21 | Mr_Rabies | i've yet to fill mine |
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| 22:05.27 | Djones_ | What Rabies said |
| 22:05.28 | Amarande | I just *barely* had room today for all the cloud serpent dailies |
| 22:05.33 | Djones_ | no |
| 22:05.34 | Mr_Rabies | and i've got aq40 quests in my log |
| 22:05.36 | fewyn | i haven't filled my log since |
| 22:05.44 | Djones_ | You just barely had room today plus a bunch of other random shit |
| 22:05.49 | fewyn | well i filled my log for mop launch |
| 22:05.52 | fewyn | for xp boost |
| 22:05.55 | Mr_Rabies | and firelands legendary quest |
| 22:06.24 | fewyn | http://uplol.fewyn.net/2013-01-12_17-06-07.png |
| 22:07.10 | fewyn | after i finish dailies i'm going to do black prince rep |
| 22:07.29 | fewyn | sadly i can't cheat the first part on my warrior |
| 22:07.49 | Djones_ | lol black prince rep |
| 22:07.55 | Djones_ | takes an hour, at the longest. |
| 22:08.06 | fewyn | i haven't done it on a non-rogue yet |
| 22:08.12 | Djones_ | Go to Krasarang wilds |
| 22:08.13 | Mr_Rabies | i hate that i didn't get revered with him by the time i finished the shieldwall quests |
| 22:08.15 | Mr_Rabies | :< |
| 22:08.22 | Djones_ | do domination point entrance |
| 22:08.24 | fewyn | i'm neutral with him right now |
| 22:08.26 | Djones_ | farm horde/alliance mobs |
| 22:08.31 | Djones_ | revered in an hour |
| 22:08.35 | Mr_Rabies | having to grind npcs for rep is such a step back |
| 22:08.45 | Djones_ | Mr_Rabies, I only do it because of the honour badges |
| 22:08.56 | Djones_ | The 3 rare ones giving a badge worth over 300 honour each, on a 40 minute cooldown |
| 22:08.57 | Mr_Rabies | i've got like a million of those i rarely use |
| 22:09.03 | Mr_Rabies | ah |
| 22:09.04 | Mr_Rabies | those |
| 22:09.08 | Mr_Rabies | those are different |
| 22:09.12 | Mr_Rabies | i was thinking commendations |
| 22:09.18 | jane | that far island in townlong has mobs that give a ton of black prince rep |
| 22:09.21 | Djones_ | Yup, better honour grinding than bg's, with a fraction of the effort |
| 22:09.27 | fewyn | [Lion's Landing Commission] |
| 22:09.39 | Djones_ | Plus each one killed gives 440 rep |
| 22:09.43 | Djones_ | Which is lulzy |
| 22:09.50 | jane | 33 rep per big mob and they spawn 4 clones that give 11 rep each, and if you just sit there and let them beat you the clones just die |
| 22:12.25 | fewyn | and i just finished capping vp for the week |
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| 22:26.56 | Amarande | heh, I'm just glad that it wasn't how I first thought it would be |
| 22:27.05 | Amarande | that Black Prince quests would involve having to win something off the BMAH |
| 22:28.21 | Mr_Rabies | <jane> 33 rep per big mob and they spawn 4 clones that give 11 rep each, and if you just sit there and let them beat you the clones just die |
| 22:28.26 | Mr_Rabies | that only works up to honored, though, right? |
| 22:28.40 | jane | not sure, i did it to hit honored on my alt |
| 22:28.51 | Mr_Rabies | mogu and whatnot are up to honored, and horde/alliance from honored to revered |
| 22:28.55 | jane | i think all sources of black prince rep work |
| 22:29.28 | jane | i was using klaxxi to get rep honored>revered |
| 22:29.30 | Mr_Rabies | no doubt zandalari and thunder king troops in 5.2 for revered->exalted |
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| 22:29.36 | jane | and on my alt, the dominance offensive to get to honored |
| 22:29.43 | Mr_Rabies | hmmm |
| 22:29.51 | Mr_Rabies | ok, i thought it capped |
| 22:30.10 | jane | i hope not, cause if the dailies dont cap my alt im gonna go back out ot that island lol |
| 22:30.26 | jane | it took me like 20 minutes of idling to do all of friendly there |
| 22:32.51 | Amarande | btw, how long is the expansion likely to be? |
| 22:33.04 | Amarande | Thunder King's Island fills in the last spot on the Pandarian map |
| 22:33.20 | Amarande | which means unless we get some sort of surprise like them actually adding in the Vashj'ir raid finally, we're going to Orgrimmar for 5.3? |
| 22:33.26 | Amarande | and that's it for MoP? |
| 22:35.03 | Amarande | or is there something else in the game plan that I'm not remembering? |
| 22:38.26 | fewyn | 5.3 is going to be like 5.1 |
| 22:38.35 | fewyn | 5.4 might not be on the map |
| 22:38.45 | fewyn | or we might goto org |
| 22:38.50 | fewyn | who knows at this point |
| 22:41.12 | Mr_Rabies | orgrimmar's gonna be a ways down the line here i think |
| 22:41.24 | Djones_ | I don't expect more than 3 raiding tiers |
| 22:41.34 | Djones_ | Which means 5.0 - 5.2 - 5.4 |
| 22:41.48 | Mr_Rabies | at least two more non-raid major patches and one more major raid before orgrimmar |
| 22:41.59 | Mr_Rabies | i doubt they'd run the expansion that short, Djones_ |
| 22:41.59 | fewyn | most likely we'll hear next expansion at blizzcon this year |
| 22:42.08 | fewyn | i have to agree with rabies |
| 22:42.12 | Djones_ | Mr_Rabies, why? They said they wanted to speed it up and |
| 22:42.16 | Djones_ | Cata was that short |
| 22:42.20 | Djones_ | Shorter, really. |
| 22:42.23 | Mr_Rabies | cata was two years |
| 22:42.37 | Amarande | and I still can't figure out exactly what's going to go in between TKI and Orgrimmar, anyway |
| 22:42.38 | Mr_Rabies | your proposed schedule's about a year |
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| 22:42.43 | Djones_ | Not really. |
| 22:42.47 | Djones_ | 5.2 won't hit for another 2 months yet |
| 22:42.49 | Amarande | I don't really expect that they'll make really radical changes to the world mid-expansion |
| 22:43.02 | Djones_ | And that's what, 6 months for pandas? |
| 22:43.03 | fewyn | it really depends on the timeline for the next expansion |
| 22:43.04 | Amarande | which means there's only really two possibilities for another intermediate raid, and I'm not sure what would justify them storywise |
| 22:43.10 | Mr_Rabies | there's a lot they can do |
| 22:43.17 | Amarande | a) a resurrection of the canceled raid in Vashj'ir that 4.1 was supposed to have had |
| 22:43.23 | fewyn | i don't think we can spend another 8-12 months with the same raid tier again |
| 22:43.31 | Amarande | b) a new portal opening in the Chamber of Aspects at Wyrmrest, they've still got a few of those unused |
| 22:43.32 | Djones_ | 6 months for T14, then we'll have 6 months for T15 |
| 22:43.43 | Djones_ | then 6 months for T16, with the non major patches hitting 3 months in or so |
| 22:43.49 | Djones_ | 18 months, not a year |
| 22:44.01 | Mr_Rabies | i doubt they'll do much with the aspects for a while |
| 22:44.07 | fewyn | we'll see |
| 22:44.08 | Amarande | otoh, if things continue to be as faction based as they have been |
| 22:44.12 | Mr_Rabies | traditional dragons are pretty much over with for now |
| 22:44.14 | Amarande | I can see it being stretched out further |
| 22:44.15 | fewyn | i'm really curious what the next expansion is going to be |
| 22:44.23 | Djones_ | fewyn, hozen or gtfo |
| 22:44.29 | Mr_Rabies | i forsee orgrimmar perhaps being the beginning of its tier |
| 22:44.37 | Amarande | simply because of the fact that MoP factions have been based on dailies, which means that there needs to be time for people who don't game every day to get exalted |
| 22:44.38 | Mr_Rabies | then a surprise final boss ala sunwell |
| 22:44.50 | fewyn | well wraithon says something BIG is coming |
| 22:44.56 | fewyn | that isn't the current war |
| 22:44.58 | b4k4^^ | Orgrimmar was just a setback |
| 22:44.59 | Amarande | also, is there anything of the rumours that MoP will be the final expansion? |
| 22:45.04 | Mr_Rabies | no |
| 22:45.11 | Mr_Rabies | none at all |
| 22:45.11 | fewyn | mop will not be the final expansion |
| 22:45.22 | fewyn | i doubt there will be a final expansion until the game literally dies |
| 22:45.23 | Amarande | although even if it's not, I can see us being *near* the end |
| 22:45.32 | Mr_Rabies | blizzard employees have been talking about the next expansion since before MoP was out |
| 22:45.35 | Amarande | actually, either near the end, or at least three expansions out from the end |
| 22:45.42 | fewyn | blizzard will milk this game until it dies |
| 22:45.47 | Djones_ | I can see level 100 being a good time to end |
| 22:45.47 | Amarande | the speculation I still have is that they WON'T end on level 100 |
| 22:45.52 | Amarande | it will be either on level 95, or 105+ |
| 22:45.56 | Amarande | Djones: think of this though |
| 22:45.57 | Mr_Rabies | the only thing that will kill wow is blizzard at this point |
| 22:45.58 | fewyn | i still doubt they'll "end" it Djones_ |
| 22:46.05 | Djones_ | fewyn, yeah, it won't end, it will just die |
| 22:46.07 | Mr_Rabies | either massive design whiplash, or the next mmo they launch |
| 22:46.08 | Djones_ | Just in time for WoW2 |
| 22:46.10 | Amarande | to accommodate level 100, they're going to have to alter graphics assets and such in order to accommodate three-digit levels |
| 22:46.15 | Djones_ | or Project Titan whatever that is. |
| 22:46.22 | fewyn | project blackstone |
| 22:46.27 | Mr_Rabies | that's a lot less work than overhauling the whole world, Amarande |
| 22:46.28 | Amarande | I can't imagine them wanting to do that for just one player level and one expansion |
| 22:46.30 | Mr_Rabies | and they already did that once |
| 22:46.42 | Amarande | once they accommodate three-digit levels they'll probably want to do it for at least two expansions, so at least 105 |
| 22:46.43 | Mr_Rabies | ui elements are cake to fix |
| 22:47.06 | fewyn | it's not like levels are like the gold cap issue |
| 22:47.11 | Amarande | Isn't Titan supposed to be sci-fi based rather than fantasy, or something like that? |
| 22:47.13 | fewyn | (the old one) |
| 22:47.20 | Mr_Rabies | they haven't really said anything about titan |
| 22:47.22 | fewyn | no one knows what titan is or isn't |
| 22:47.28 | Mr_Rabies | other than it being a new IP |
| 22:47.32 | Mr_Rabies | that's literally all they've said |
| 22:47.38 | Mr_Rabies | wow's not even really fantasy |
| 22:47.39 | Djones_ | I imagine that they'll just stop working on wow when they've got their next big thing ready to launch |
| 22:47.40 | fewyn | blizzard recently registered the project blackstone trademark/domain |
| 22:47.46 | Mr_Rabies | it's fantasy/sci-fi |
| 22:47.49 | Amarande | Djones: probably not entirely |
| 22:47.50 | Djones_ | until then wow will keep on pressing |
| 22:47.57 | Djones_ | and i'll keep on playing unless something better comes along. |
| 22:48.00 | Mr_Rabies | i don't even think they'll stop working on wow then |
| 22:48.03 | Amarande | keep in mind they released a few new patches for Diablo II in recent years |
| 22:48.10 | Mr_Rabies | they'll probably do some kind of joint account system |
| 22:48.13 | Amarande | and that wasn't even a subscription game, with WoW they've got subscribers to keep |
| 22:48.13 | fewyn | yeah i very much doubt they'll stop developing for wow |
| 22:48.16 | Djones_ | They'll do what everquest etc does |
| 22:48.19 | Mr_Rabies | where you get a subscription to titan and wow for the same $15 |
| 22:48.20 | Djones_ | does/did |
| 22:48.25 | Amarande | and unless they make the entire game revolve around PvP, they'll need new PvE stuff to keep subscribers |
| 22:48.43 | Amarande | it's not like say Guild Wars where the whole game revolves around PvP basically so it doesn't really get old because you always have new competitors |
| 22:48.48 | Amarande | no more than say chess getting old :) |
| 22:49.36 | Ward | have you played guild wars 2? |
| 22:49.40 | Amarande | Ward: nope |
| 22:49.51 | Ward | the pvp in there is pretty bad, and there´s a lot of solo pve gameplay in it now |
| 22:49.57 | fewyn | gw2 pvp is boring imo |
| 22:49.57 | Ward | basically they made a prettier wow |
| 22:49.59 | Djones_ | the pvp in there is sticky as hell |
| 22:50.02 | Amarande | I know the first one was mostly PvP focused, and while there was a lot of PvE content, the game mechanics were basically like PvP |
| 22:50.04 | fewyn | the pve is kinda interesting |
| 22:50.16 | fewyn | it's a soso game |
| 22:50.17 | nebula169 | i remember talking to a friend who is a game designer at blizzard a few years ago, he was saying the current thought at the time was X5 was going to be the last true expansion, after which they'd just content updates every 6mo or so |
| 22:50.20 | fewyn | i have 1 80 in gw2 |
| 22:50.21 | Amarande | otoh, GW actually learned something Blizzard still hasn't cottoned onto very well |
| 22:50.37 | Amarande | namely, cleanly split skill functionality based on PvE vs PvP |
| 22:50.52 | nebula169 | just do* |
| 22:50.56 | fewyn | except gw2 uses the same skills for both pve and pvp |
| 22:51.02 | Amarande | In GW, when they found the problem of balancing a skill for both modes insoluble they basically forked it, the skill has separate functionalities for PvE and PvP |
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| 22:51.04 | fewyn | and they work exactly the same |
| 22:51.14 | Ward | Amarande, wow does that |
| 22:51.21 | Ward | with cc skills |
| 22:51.27 | Amarande | In WoW, when they find the problem of balancing a skill for both modes insoluble they just decide which one is more important at the moment and screw over the other-mode players who used it :) |
| 22:51.31 | Ward | limited durations, deminished returns |
| 22:51.47 | Ward | and with pvp power and resil, it all balances out well |
| 22:51.50 | Mr_Rabies | i'd rather they just not balance for arenas at all |
| 22:51.52 | Amarande | at least, based on the infinite complaints over the years of "YOU NERFED THIS BECAUSE OF PVP" |
| 22:51.58 | Mr_Rabies | and balance exclusively for rbgs |
| 22:52.10 | Ward | Amarande, just because people whine, doesn´t make it so |
| 22:52.12 | Mr_Rabies | then there won't be so much flippin' around |
| 22:52.14 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: heh, stopping balancing for arenas would be just fine with me too |
| 22:52.17 | Ward | they usually nerf pve abilities for pve reasons |
| 22:52.21 | Djones_ | Amarande, I lol'd |
| 22:52.25 | Djones_ | Arena isn't balanced |
| 22:52.29 | nebula169 | you don't have esport tournaments with rbgs, though |
| 22:52.38 | Amarande | Although, IANAL, but I've actually pondered if there are legal reasons why they have to focus so strongly on the Arenas in terms of game mechanics, though |
| 22:52.39 | fewyn | arena was the worst decision blizzard ever made |
| 22:52.41 | fewyn | tbqh |
| 22:52.41 | Ward | arenas are rock paper scissors |
| 22:52.43 | Amarande | specifically, keep in mind this |
| 22:52.47 | Djones_ | Ward, not quite |
| 22:52.47 | Mr_Rabies | wow's not very esports friendly anyway tbh |
| 22:52.49 | Amarande | Arena tournaments take CASH entry fees and pay CASH prizes |
| 22:52.58 | Djones_ | Arena right now is rock paper scissors < Rogue/Warlock/Druid |
| 22:53.14 | Djones_ | or if it's 2v2 |
| 22:53.19 | Amarande | All it would take would be something being just a little too random and then Spoiled Richie's parents go to their congressman and say Blizzard is operating an online gambling facility :P |
| 22:53.26 | Ward | I do 2s Mage/Mage, it´s hilarious |
| 22:53.28 | Djones_ | it's rock paper scissors unless you're playing Mage/spriest and you can win every game. |
| 22:53.29 | Ward | 1 arcane, 1 fire |
| 22:53.39 | Djones_ | Ward, lol, yes. You can beat -every- team with that setup |
| 22:53.50 | Djones_ | Some only 6 times to 4 losses |
| 22:53.52 | Djones_ | but every team |
| 22:53.58 | Ward | you can also lose to every team |
| 22:54.01 | Ward | but it´s fun |
| 22:54.02 | Djones_ | Yes. |
| 22:54.05 | Ward | and games are short |
| 22:54.17 | Djones_ | Well, they are right now generally |
| 22:54.21 | Djones_ | So far this season I have played... |
| 22:54.28 | Ward | we have lots of fun on vent |
| 22:54.33 | Djones_ | Disc/warrior, disc/rogue, disc/feral, disc/frost |
| 22:54.34 | Ward | especially when the opponent has a SHAMAN |
| 22:54.35 | Ward | SHAMAN |
| 22:54.39 | Ward | NUKE THAT SHAMAN |
| 22:54.43 | Djones_ | shadow/warrior, shadow/rogue, shadow/feral, shadow/frost |
| 22:54.50 | Amarande | yeah, that does occur to me. has there been any kind of test case at all regarding whether esports with cash entry fees and cash prizes are considered gambling or not, depending on game mechanics? |
| 22:54.53 | Djones_ | Warlock/warrior, warlock/mage,warlock/feral |
| 22:55.02 | Djones_ | And basically, it's hella unbalanced. |
| 22:55.10 | Mr_Rabies | Amarande: these guys have huge legal teams |
| 22:55.13 | Djones_ | Amarande, because it's not gambling |
| 22:55.14 | Djones_ | Also |
| 22:55.21 | Djones_ | Because that is not what the word gambling means. |
| 22:55.30 | Ward | blizzard says it´s a skill game |
| 22:55.32 | Ward | so not gambling |
| 22:55.35 | Ward | it´s an esport |
| 22:55.35 | Mr_Rabies | they do everything by the book |
| 22:55.38 | Djones_ | It's an esport. |
| 22:55.52 | Ward | legally speaking it´s the same as a fifa tournament |
| 22:55.53 | Mr_Rabies | to the point that certain people can't compete in the arena tournament |
| 22:55.57 | Mr_Rabies | if they're in certain areas |
| 22:56.00 | Djones_ | Ward, pretty much identical, in fact. |
| 22:56.11 | Mr_Rabies | or couldn't, at one point |
| 22:56.26 | Mr_Rabies | now there aren't any cash prizes for arena tournament and it kind of fell apart |
| 22:56.31 | Mr_Rabies | no one really runs them anymore |
| 22:56.36 | Djones_ | Mr_Rabies, that's because LoL |
| 22:57.08 | fewyn | anyways arena is boring |
| 22:57.12 | fewyn | so who cares |
| 22:57.14 | Djones_ | fewyn, I enjoy it |
| 22:57.22 | fewyn | League is fun |
| 22:57.26 | fewyn | if you're good at it |
| 22:57.28 | fewyn | i suck |
| 22:57.29 | Djones_ | Yes. :p |
| 22:57.31 | Mr_Rabies | arenas and flying mounts are two of my least favorite wow additions |
| 22:57.34 | Ward | I never got into it |
| 22:57.37 | Djones_ | My partner deleted all 9 of his other characters today |
| 22:57.40 | Ward | flying mounts? |
| 22:57.41 | Djones_ | including his merciless gladiator druid |
| 22:57.43 | Mr_Rabies | i think the game would have been better without either |
| 22:57.47 | Djones_ | So now we're doing rogue/warlock |
| 22:57.47 | fewyn | why would he delete them? |
| 22:57.57 | Djones_ | Because he has this issue where he can't settle on anything |
| 22:58.03 | Amarande | I like flying mounts |
| 22:58.04 | Djones_ | So we've played 13 different comps so far this season |
| 22:58.04 | fewyn | lol |
| 22:58.08 | fewyn | hahaha |
| 22:58.10 | Amarande | in fact, one of the things I lament in LOTRO is that there aren't any |
| 22:58.11 | Ward | before flying mounts wow felt like everquest |
| 22:58.16 | Ward | with the massive explorable zones |
| 22:58.21 | Mr_Rabies | they're convenient, but they simply make the world too small |
| 22:58.27 | fewyn | eh |
| 22:58.30 | Amarande | mind you, it wouldn't be realistic, but still ... it feels slow to get around Middle-Earth compared to Azeroth |
| 22:58.31 | fewyn | i like convience |
| 22:58.36 | fewyn | after walking all over pandaria |
| 22:58.36 | Djones_ | fewyn, so now hopefully we might actually play something static for once :p |
| 22:58.40 | fewyn | on my way to 90 |
| 22:58.42 | Amarande | doesn't help that even the ground mounts max out at 68% vs. 100% in WoW |
| 22:58.44 | fewyn | i prefer flying |
| 22:58.46 | Mr_Rabies | i like the convenience, too, but it basically kills the world |
| 22:58.58 | fewyn | otherwise it'd take me 2 hours to get anywhere |
| 22:59.15 | Amarande | fewyn: also that "rescue the spirits in the vortex" golden lotus daily would be a real baldness inducer |
| 22:59.17 | Ward | Vanilla ganking was so epic because nobody could just escape out of reach by going out of combat for 2 secs |
| 22:59.24 | Ward | you could chase people down across 3 zones |
| 22:59.37 | Amarande | About the only way to avoid the damned spirits that aggro and send you back to the regular world is by using a flying mount to click the spirits |
| 22:59.46 | Amarande | unless you want to spend all day waiting for them to move aside |
| 23:00.05 | Ward | the first few days, before I knew you could fly |
| 23:00.11 | Ward | I just waited for other noobs to aggro them |
| 23:00.17 | Ward | then run in and steal their spirit |
| 23:00.54 | Amarande | WoW songs: "I believe I can fly. I believe I can touch the sky. I ... forgot to buy flying training here shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii-----" *thud* |
| 23:01.49 | Ward | I had that issue on my druid, while leveling in MoP |
| 23:01.59 | Amarande | and speaking of MMORPGs coming to an end, I wonder what LOTRO is going to do once they reach Mordor and have the final raids |
| 23:02.00 | Ward | gotten used to sprinting off cliffs, dropping aggro and flying off |
| 23:02.09 | b4k4^^ | "shiiiiiiwhere'slevitateohcrapmisclicked*splat*" |
| 23:02.15 | Amarande | (although, in LOTRO, raids rarely have more than a tangential reference to the storyline) |
| 23:02.17 | b4k4^^ | (BTDT) |
| 23:02.41 | Ward | Amarande, LOTRO CAVERNS OF TIME |
| 23:02.47 | Amarande | although LOTRO seems to be better off than WoW in that respect |
| 23:02.49 | Ward | back to Smaug |
| 23:03.02 | Amarande | since WoW changes the actual world every expansion, and forces everyone to adventure always in the "current" time of Azeroth |
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| 23:03.47 | Amarande | in LOTRO on the other hand, zones are frozen to the point in the storyline that they were first used in, and instead heavy use of phasing and instancing is used for continuity, when they bother |
| 23:04.43 | Amarande | like the storyline advances as you go through say Moria and Lorien |
| 23:04.53 | Amarande | but meanwhile, earlier zones basically stay the same |
| 23:04.58 | Ward | there´s so much middle earth story left they could still tell |
| 23:05.05 | Ward | from the hobbit and the silmarillion |
| 23:05.19 | Amarande | except that's *before* LOTR |
| 23:05.22 | Ward | yes |
| 23:05.26 | Ward | time travel |
| 23:05.42 | Amarande | the way the storyline progresses, unless they *do* do time travel, they'll have to be dealing with post-One Ring Middle-Earth |
| 23:05.47 | Mr_Rabies | is time travel even a think in the tolkienverse |
| 23:05.54 | Mr_Rabies | thing* |
| 23:06.01 | Amarande | heh, and then the fixed zones thing starts to become a little unravelly |
| 23:06.12 | Amarande | since then you still have to be able to go back to Lorien and Rivendell even though those pretty much disintegrate afterwards |
| 23:06.32 | Amarande | Mind you this is assuming you got through Moria. A lot of LOTRO players get to Moria and stop there :P |
| 23:07.12 | Ward | well they could instance those zones and display them according to your progression |
| 23:07.17 | Ward | or phase it |
| 23:07.59 | Ward | there´s is not a single bit of post one ring content for the tolkien verse |
| 23:08.08 | Ward | well |
| 23:08.13 | Ward | there´s the battle for the shire |
| 23:08.18 | Amarande | some content is instanced, other content is frozen in time, or kept behind doors that can only be entered depending on your quest progression |
| 23:08.30 | Ward | they could make a raid out of that |
| 23:08.30 | Amarande | like there's some doors you can only go through if you're between X and Y quest in the main storyline chain |
| 23:08.50 | Amarande | Actually I think they've gone with the movie version for that |
| 23:08.50 | Ward | I always thought those final chapters of return of the king were kind of weird |
| 23:08.58 | Amarande | since Saruman is already a raid as of Rise of Isengard |
| 23:09.01 | Ward | sauron defeated, saruman broken, ring destroyed |
| 23:09.05 | Amarande | you kill him in Orthanc |
| 23:09.07 | Amarande | *although* |
| 23:09.20 | Amarande | as I noted, raids in LOTRO tend to be only tangentially tied to the main Book Quest storyline |
| 23:09.23 | Ward | in the books Saruman survived until the end |
| 23:09.33 | Ward | until the hobbits returned to the shire |
| 23:09.39 | Amarande | unlike WoW where the storyline is heavily based in the raids |
| 23:09.50 | Amarande | in LOTRO, you can go through the entire storyline chain without ever needing a raid |
| 23:09.58 | Amarande | (on a very few occasions you need a group, but not a raid) |
| 23:10.15 | Amarande | and whether you need a group on those occasions usually depends on your class, actually |
| 23:10.23 | Amarande | Tanks have a disproportionately easy time of it, as a rule |
| 23:10.48 | Amarande | however, while an easy time, a slow time |
| 23:11.08 | Amarande | typically, the ones you basically always need a group for are most of the escort instances |
| 23:11.30 | Amarande | because while tanks have the survivability, they do not have the speed of killing to keep the escort from being killed |
| 23:11.48 | Amarande | particularly as the ability design in the game is pretty well done to make sure the escort steadily takes damage during battle, but not "I go down in two hits" kind |
| 23:12.21 | Amarande | Taunt type skills have cooldowns, and there's also that little matter of escorts often staying in melee with mobs, and escort instances usually having a goodly supply of mobs that use lots of PBAoE |
| 23:12.47 | Amarande | Since you can't heal your escort as a tank, and while you will survive to kill the mobs, you don't kill them *quickly*, the PBAoE damage accumulates and dooms you |
| 23:18.56 | Djones_ | I wasn't aware that this was #nobodycareshead |
| 23:26.11 | Ward | Amarande rants |
| 23:26.14 | Ward | this is not new |
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