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02:57.56Salashhello everyone
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03:42.55blademeldTecnoBrat Domh balls
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03:45.21blademeldhey fewyn
03:47.19fewynblademeld
03:47.20fewynhey
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05:51.05Mr_Rabies^
05:52.18Mr_Rabiesban that dude, he'll be back i'm sure
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12:03.09kullervoI'm sure they won't be. usually such spammers only hit once
12:32.47JunkHeadmy shaman got shoulders from lfr last night.:D
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14:31.33fewynso a bunch of my friends decided to come back to wow recently and rolled/transfered to horde aerie peak, this place is a ghost toooown
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14:43.24WardHLa lot of realms are
14:43.45WardHLand with all this crossrealm business, blizz won´t merge many realms anymore
14:44.03WardHLif you´re rerolling, just pick the busiest server in your region
14:45.29fewyni think they want to play on aerie peak to mess with a friend who raids alliance side
14:45.38fewyni don't mind if it's a ghost town
14:45.47fewyni can play the auction house game and RULE THE SERVER
14:46.36fewynhttp://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/aerie-peak/Fewyn/advanced
14:46.46fewynleveling prot
14:46.49fewynbecause
14:46.49fewynWHY NOT
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15:00.36rovvenFaces!
15:07.13JunkHeadI wish a bunch of my friends would come back to wow.
15:07.22JunkHead:(
15:07.46rovvenfrom nerro?
15:07.54rovvenyou owned
15:07.56rovven:)))))))
15:13.15rovvenface bored peeeep)
15:13.18rovvenbb
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15:15.01JunkHeadWhat an odd person.
15:17.56WardHLeither I´m really bad at feral dps
15:17.59WardHLor feral dps sucks
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15:30.38JunkPhoneso theyre finally replacing a radio console here at work today.
15:30.48JunkPhoneso i had to move from my desk.
15:32.46WardI have played many specs on many classes over the years
15:32.57Wardbut never have I encountered something as challenging as feral dps
15:33.39Wardbetween the ambiguous stat priorities, the odd gearing, the finger breaking rotations, not to mention managing bleeds and rolling buffs and debuffs constantly during every fight
15:33.52hyljeare you playing tbc
15:33.58Wardno
15:34.08Warddo you play a feral druid?
15:34.09hyljecata ferals were straightforward as fuck, did they go back there?
15:34.18Wardoh cata was easy
15:34.20Wardrogue simple mode
15:34.24Wardthey totally made it weird
15:34.30Wardin MoP
15:34.33hyljewelp
15:34.56Wardfor instance, hit caps and expertise caps, are pretty much irrelevant
15:35.01Wardsince misses refund energy
15:35.10Wardto such an extend it´s actually good for dps to miss
15:35.12Wardocassionally
15:35.17Wardbut how often you might ask
15:35.21Wardhere the maths get tricky
15:35.43Wardcause there seems to be no internal mechanism that limits energy the energy regained
15:36.11Wardso the limiting factor becomes how fast you can dump energy into abilities
15:36.28Wardwithout ofcourse missing so much that you overflow on energy, cause that´d be a waste
15:36.29JunkHeadI have a bear druid. It's only lvl 86. Tanking seems easy.
15:36.36Wardyeah bears are straightforward
15:36.46hyljei haven't played mop :(
15:36.52JunkHeadI never liked cat druid though
15:37.00fewynhttp://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100112175433/wowwiki/images/7/71/Catdps.jpg
15:37.02WardI level my druid feral/resto
15:37.02JunkHeadI played a tiny bit of boomkin in wotlk
15:37.05JunkHeadit was fun.
15:37.08Wardcat for questing
15:37.11Wardthat was excellent
15:37.16Wardofcourse nobody cares about dps then
15:37.22JunkHeadBut I'll be honest, I'm lazy. I like things simple as shit.
15:37.29hyljei liked in cata that you could bear and cat adequately with the same talents and gear
15:37.40WardJOHN FUCKING MADDEN
15:37.41JunkHeadI liked moonkin before the eclipse meter.
15:37.45Wardand that image is pre-MOP
15:37.54WardI tried moonkin for a while
15:38.00JunkHeadthe eclipse meter didn't change much...
15:38.06JunkHeadBut blah
15:38.07Warddidn´t enjoy it
15:38.26fewyni think the only class i haven't seriously played over the years is shaman
15:38.27Wardyeah in Cata my druid was basically triple roled/geared
15:38.38JunkHeadele shaman is fun. always has been.
15:38.39WardI had my main resto spec, but when needed, I could tank or dps with my offspec
15:38.39fewynnot including monk since it's new
15:38.53Wardelemental is the most fun you can have as ranged dps
15:38.58JunkHeadyeah
15:39.00hyljejust stacking crit and mastery made you both a great dps and a good tank
15:39.07Wardalso resto shaman is excellent
15:39.20Wardif I could class change my main, I´d class change to shaman
15:39.21JunkHeadi like how, with ele, if you have a lot of haste, it just LOOKS awesome
15:39.26Wardhave 2 excellent specs, 1 gearset
15:39.31JunkHeadeven if your dps sucks, OMGW HOOSH WHOOSH WHOOSH
15:39.35Wardyeah
15:39.42Wardfuck your recount, I´m playing with lightning here
15:39.46JunkHeadso fun watching 5-6 spells shoot out in 1-2 seconds
15:39.49JunkHeadyeah
15:40.01JunkHeadit makes you feel like youre doing good.
15:40.02Wardferal looks boring as fuck
15:40.08Wardkitty cat paws you
15:40.12JunkHeadmy hunter right now... i like hunters and all.
15:40.15JunkHeadbut damn.
15:40.19hyljepawsssss
15:40.21Wardthere´s no animations per ability
15:40.23JunkHeadjust too many buttons on my bars
15:40.44hyljei also liked that forum thread "show off your feral gear"
15:40.48Wardyeah as a hunter you gotta triage abilities
15:41.13JunkHeadI actually just releazed yesterday, I was missing 2 skills from my bars
15:41.24JunkHeadstampede, and... the one that resets cooldowns
15:42.41JunkHeadI could get rid of a few buttons though.
15:42.59Wardhttp://www.noxxic.com/wow/pve/druid/feral/dps-rotation-and-cooldowns
15:43.07Wardhealing touch
15:43.09Wardthat makes sense
15:43.23WardI´m speccing out of dream of cenarius
15:43.27Wardcause that shit is just too silly
15:43.32JunkHeadisnt frost mage still pretty easy
15:43.37hyljehahaha
15:43.44JunkHeadmainly frostbolt spam but hit procs as they pop up?
15:43.50Wardyeah frost is easy
15:43.52Wardand decent dps
15:43.55Wardfrost is the new arcane
15:43.56Wardpewpewpew
15:44.03hyljeis arcane no more 11111111
15:44.05JunkHeadi always played frost and arcane
15:44.11JunkHeadi've never played fire.:\
15:44.13Wardarcane now has trickier mana management
15:44.19JunkHeadLocks confuse me.
15:44.21JunkHeadI hate locks.
15:44.24WardI play fire now, it´s the most fun, but least dps in theory
15:44.28JunkHeadMy lock is now my bank alt
15:44.38JunkHeadBecause It will be my last 90
15:44.41Wardfire has mobility dps, which usually means you crush it on recount
15:45.44JunkHeadI also had fun with ret pally.
15:46.09JunkHeadShe was 85, so i geared here with a lot of MoP greens, BoA, and whatever I could find to make her leveling easy as crap.
15:46.18JunkHeadStacked ehr with haste, and just burned through everything.
15:46.22JunkHeadwas super fun.
15:46.25JunkHeadshe's 87 now.
15:46.36WardI have my shaman at 87
15:46.40Wardgonna be my 3rd 90
15:46.53JunkHeadpaladin will be my 4th once i work on her some more.
15:46.56Wardgot a bit bored of questing, so I just do dungeons now
15:47.19JunkHeadI'm burned out at everythign on my warrior.
15:47.30JunkHeadand my shaman just started LFR ilvl stuff
15:47.38JunkHeadhunter.... still pushing to get to lfr level.
15:47.50Wardmy mage, that I don´t raid on, just do LFRs
15:47.56Wardhas 490 ilevel now
15:48.01Wardmeanwhile on my druid, nothing will drop
15:48.04JunkHeadwell, LFR is my raiding for now.
15:48.06JunkHeadNo guild.
15:48.21WardI cleared msv and hof normal last night with my guild
15:48.29Wardand we did terrace on wednesday
15:48.33Wardnot a single upgrade
15:48.37JunkHeadMy warrior could easily go to normal modes.
15:48.46JunkHeadbut i dont even try.
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15:49.14JunkHeadI'd like to get my hunter up to lfr, but her ilvl is 455.
15:49.20JunkHeadi ran 15 heroics yesterday.
15:49.23JunkHeadI got a new chest.
15:49.29JunkHeadBut that's it.:\
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17:57.04JunkPhonethey took mah desk again!
18:02.02Freyja[The Wowhead Blog] 5.2 PTR: Isle of Giants Video, Transmog Restrictions Changed - http://www.wowhead.com/news=209657/5-2-ptr-isle-of-giants-video-transmog-restrictions-changed
18:04.27fewynhttp://store.steampowered.com/ nothing interesting enough to want to buy today
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18:23.47JunkHeadyay back at my desk!
18:23.53JunkHeadwith a new radio console!
18:32.15fewynbeing able to transmog weapon types will be awesome
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18:40.40JunkHeadsorry. damn phone was still connected.
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20:01.14Wardarcane is confusing me
20:01.22Wardguides are telling me to not gem any int
20:01.25Djones_Hehe
20:01.26Djones_Yes
20:01.31Djones_Well, kinda.
20:01.32Wardbut elitist jerks has no mage thread
20:01.41Wardarcane thread I mean
20:02.00Wardfurther on in the guide the stat prios put int first
20:02.17Djones_Mastery so good
20:02.23Djones_It's the same for warlocks
20:02.28Wardit´s just weird
20:02.33Djones_the thing with casters at the moment seems to be when you get about 480+
20:02.41Djones_the raw mastery is better than actual int
20:02.42Wardalso apparently the best dps is with the rune
20:02.47Djones_Yup
20:02.50Djones_As long as you can stand still
20:02.53Wardyeah my mage hit 490 gear today
20:03.06Wardbeen using fire since I started raiding
20:03.10Djones_ew fire :p
20:03.11Wardbut lately it can´t keep up anymore
20:03.18Djones_Invokers is great for garalon
20:03.23Wardit was imba when everyone was at 470 gear
20:03.35Djones_Hilariously it didn't even match frost then
20:03.45Wardfrost is the #2 atm
20:03.45Djones_It's just that nobody knew/knows how to play frost properly when this tier hit
20:03.54Djones_Yeah, arcane got buffed to hell and back in 5.1
20:04.09Wardyeah I know, but I stuck to fire since I was mostly raiding on my druid anyway
20:04.44Wardyou know my druid is resto, and I have never had to respec my resto tree
20:04.45Wardever
20:05.17Wardany time they changed the talents so much that it was actually needed, like with a pre-expansion patch
20:05.20Wardthey´d reset it for free
20:05.28Djones_Heh
20:05.48Djones_I have something ridiuculous like 300 respecs on the priest
20:05.56Wardoh my mage I respec almost monthly
20:06.09WardI played this mage vanilla, so before dual spec I´d change twice a week
20:06.12Wardto do pve and pvp
20:06.28Wardok so here it goes
20:06.29Djones_You are nether tempesting, right?
20:06.31Wardcutting mastery gems
20:06.44Wardnot sure yet
20:06.48Wardeither that or living bomb
20:06.53Djones_Nether tempest
20:06.53Djones_like
20:06.56Djones_for everything
20:06.59Wardnoxxic says living bomb, rawr data says living bomb
20:06.59Djones_except stone guards
20:07.05Djones_Nether tempest pisses all OVER EVERYTHING
20:07.26Djones_(also look at log parses, you won't see anyone in the top 200 without it)
20:07.47Wardok
20:07.54Wardso what does that do to the rotation
20:08.14Djones_In what ways?
20:08.28WardI mean for aoe
20:08.32WardI had fireblast glyphed
20:08.34Wardto spread bomb
20:08.35Djones_Oh, aoe is much more complicated
20:08.46Djones_living bomb for 3-4 targets, frost bomb for 5+
20:08.50Wardok
20:09.08Wardtime to read that glyph again, never used it with tempest
20:09.52Wardok so I got my arcane spec for single target fights now
20:10.09Wardguardians is the only fight where my old fire spec still topped the meter
20:10.17Djones_Yah
20:10.27Wardguess I can respec for it
20:10.38Wardjust gonna be crappy playing fire without all my crit gear
20:11.02Wardthey should make a new tab in gear, called setup, where you can put gems/enchants/reforges per spec :p
20:11.07Wardand swop em out with talents
20:11.39WardI´ve never used green gems before
20:11.41Wardfeels weird
20:13.25Djones_Hehe
20:14.46Wardok now to reforge
20:15.02Wardhit to 15, then haste to breakpoint, then mastery
20:16.27Djones_ALL THE MASTERY.
20:16.46Wardno haste?
20:17.10Wardyou know this is still easier than a feral druid
20:17.14Wardwith the damn miss bonus
20:17.54Djones_You need around 3k haste or so
20:17.57Djones_but if you don't have 3k haste
20:18.02Djones_even with reforging it all off, at 490
20:18.07Wardheh
20:18.09Djones_you have been rolling need on the wrong gear, and should feel bad
20:18.13WardI just reforged to 4200 haste
20:18.16Wardguess that´s overkill
20:18.19Djones_Yes
20:18.20Djones_Yes it is.
20:18.30Djones_3056, apparently.
20:18.33Wardoh
20:18.35Wardwell
20:18.37Wardthat changes things
20:18.41Wardgood thing I have reforge lite
20:22.01Wardhmm
20:22.04Ward3300
20:22.06Wardstill to high
20:22.10Djones_Yap
20:22.18Djones_Tbh
20:22.24Djones_I know some people who just go full mastery all the time
20:22.34Ward3081
20:22.36Djones_also rawr is HORRIBLE now
20:22.40Djones_Simcraft
20:22.43Djones_3081 works
20:22.46Wardgonna stick with 3081
20:23.00Ward40% mastery
20:23.04Wardhit capped
20:23.05Djones_Not bad.
20:23.11Wardyeah should do just fine
20:23.13Djones_Go do 150k on elegon
20:23.27Wardgonna LFR for practice
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20:23.31Wardmy AB spam skills are rusty
20:25.36Djones_The reason why rune is hella good btw
20:25.41Djones_Is because you stack the crap outa mastery
20:25.47Djones_And rune keeps you at about 100% about 100% of the time.
20:25.57Wardso I should never use barrage?
20:26.04Djones_That I don't know
20:26.15Djones_Or rather
20:26.16Wardforums and guides say scorch
20:26.47Djones_What.
20:27.06Djones_Of course you use Barrage, but mostly because ab spam doesn't exactly sustain infinite mana, but missiles is awesome
20:27.19Djones_You use barrage to manage mana, not necessarily dps on the move.
20:27.55Wardhttp://www.noxxic.com/wow/pve/mage/arcane/dps-rotation-and-cooldowns
20:28.06Wardit also assumed you use living bomb for single target though
20:28.17Djones_noxxic
20:28.18Djones_is like
20:28.22Djones_so bad
20:28.26Djones_I don't even.
20:28.57Wardyeah so far I´ve done everything noxxic didn´t do
20:29.04Wardexcept put mastery on my gloves
20:29.07Wardnoxxic was right about that
20:29.32Wardhmm
20:29.36Wardgrace of air totem in this LFR
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20:29.55Djones_Noxxic has the priest rotation so very wrong.
20:30.14Djones_Or rather, all it does is list  priority system
20:30.24Djones_with absolutely no information about how to make that work
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21:24.01fewyni remember pulling baron geddon into garr's room in molten core in vanilla... anyone remember WHY we did that?
21:26.18Djones_the knock up?
21:26.38fewynhrm
21:26.40fewynmaybe
21:27.12fewynoh my god
21:27.16fewynleft half of bindings
21:27.33fewynnow i actually have to run molten core
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