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| 00:41.05 | fewyn | flying around cata zones on a kite is weird |
| 00:43.23 | Domh | It's safe now though. No rampaging deathwing to burn your fragile flammable kite |
| 00:43.30 | Domh | I kinda miss his random flybys |
| 00:44.59 | Eraclito | OH FUCK FUCK FUCK RED SKY FUCK- oh wait, red sky is normal on the blasted lands demon hunter peak |
| 00:45.31 | Domh | haha |
| 00:45.59 | Domh | There's also a weird patch I keep getting on the flightpath to Chillwind camp that starts a few moments before I land and then goes away |
| 00:46.04 | Domh | Still haven't figured that one out |
| 00:47.43 | Eraclito | i lately take a flight path to aerie peak, i fly to there, while landing BAM teleport to refuge point |
| 00:47.57 | Eraclito | *took |
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| 01:34.44 | Jevanko | LibertineLush: wasn't it you who recommended me carbonite yesterday? |
| 01:35.14 | LibertineLush | Jevanko: yea, i think so |
| 01:35.38 | Jevanko | I started using it but I have problems with a few things |
| 01:35.58 | Jevanko | when questing |
| 01:36.18 | Jevanko | I can't get it to show the quests in the drop down on the right |
| 01:36.29 | Jevanko | and it often loses the waymark |
| 01:36.35 | LibertineLush | it doesn't show on the right ever? |
| 01:36.40 | Jevanko | no |
| 01:36.46 | Jevanko | there is the thing where normally |
| 01:36.50 | Jevanko | u would expect the quests |
| 01:36.52 | Jevanko | to drop down |
| 01:36.56 | Jevanko | and their objectives |
| 01:37.01 | Jevanko | but they don't show there |
| 01:37.13 | Jevanko | and also on the minimap there is a ton of notes |
| 01:37.21 | Jevanko | with potential quest givers |
| 01:37.23 | LibertineLush | upon install, it shows the carbonite version of the drop down menu for me |
| 01:37.32 | LibertineLush | did it not do that at the beginning? |
| 01:38.41 | Jevanko | i have the menu |
| 01:39.17 | Jevanko | but what are the uses of the addon? |
| 01:40.09 | LibertineLush | it shows you with dotted arrows on the map and minimap where to go for your quests |
| 01:40.24 | LibertineLush | and also a GPS-like arrow onscreen |
| 01:40.34 | LibertineLush | you can disable either if you wish |
| 01:40.37 | Jevanko | ye but it doesn't calculate some "most efficient" router does it? |
| 01:40.54 | LibertineLush | the route it shows is the most efficient |
| 01:41.00 | Jevanko | like does it tell you which quests to pick up and which to ignore to have max efficiency? |
| 01:41.00 | LibertineLush | takes into account all the quests you have |
| 01:41.11 | LibertineLush | doesn't tell you which to ignore though |
| 01:41.27 | Jevanko | for me it drops tracking quests |
| 01:41.28 | Jevanko | often |
| 01:41.38 | LibertineLush | is the purple icon clicked? |
| 01:41.48 | LibertineLush | purple sphere |
| 01:41.59 | LibertineLush | that will track all your accepted quests |
| 01:44.14 | Jevanko | ye |
| 01:44.26 | Jevanko | i think it jsut bugs out or something mb a restart |
| 01:45.44 | LibertineLush | you need to click the purple icon every time you launch. it won't remember it upon relaunch |
| 01:47.42 | LibertineLush | there's another one called questhelper. i dunno if it's been updated for MoP, but you can try that too |
| 01:47.59 | LibertineLush | i stuck with carbonite caues of the scrollable zoom map |
| 01:48.13 | LibertineLush | even though the option settings is a disastrous mess |
| 01:49.07 | Jevanko | ye |
| 01:50.47 | Jevanko | is there a portal to orgrimmar in dalaran? |
| 01:52.34 | LibertineLush | this says there is: http://www.wowhead.com/news=199648.3/traveling-around-azeroth-a-transportation-guide#kalimdor-horde |
| 02:02.34 | Jevanko | Thanks for the help man! |
| 02:02.37 | Jevanko | gn |
| 02:03.33 | LibertineLush | gn |
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| 02:58.34 | LibertineLush | do mail heirlooms automatically become plate once you hit 40? |
| 02:59.53 | fewyn | only certain ones |
| 03:00.57 | LibertineLush | is there a general rule for which ones do? |
| 03:01.04 | fewyn | the warrior ones |
| 03:01.06 | fewyn | and the paladin ones |
| 03:01.09 | fewyn | i think |
| 03:01.18 | LibertineLush | ok thanks |
| 03:01.20 | fewyn | if it has str on it and is mail |
| 03:01.22 | fewyn | it turns plate |
| 03:01.23 | fewyn | i think |
| 03:01.27 | LibertineLush | ok |
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| 16:18.26 | Amarande | Morning. :) |
| 16:20.07 | Amarande | say, would I be getting the correct impression that Blizzard is aiming to induce players to change behaviour with some of their recent modifications to the game? |
| 16:20.28 | Amarande | and that the ultimate purpose of all these changes is DOWNSIZE SERVERS AT ANY COST? |
| 16:21.54 | Amarande | let's see. on the one hand, you have account-wide pets and achievements, which you'd think would be friendly to people with lots of alts (heck, you can even now sell off excess copies of those dungeon minipets and such, not that you can make any real cash off of it since everyone else has the same idea but ... LOL) |
| 16:22.37 | Amarande | On the other hand ... between the fact that the guild leveling system heavily rewards server populations coalescing into a few large guilds, the whole CRZ thing, and item upgrades? It seems like they're trying to punish people for having lots of alts or such. |
| 16:22.44 | Amarande | Oh, yeah, and leveling in Pandaria, too. |
| 16:23.30 | Amarande | I'm not sure why they'd want to punish people for having lots of alts, unless (which also gels with the whole CRZ plan, and, actually, having only one set of achievements and pets stored per account ...) the whole idea is that they're trying to cut WoW server resource usage and behaviour-modify players via game changes to help them do it. :| |
| 16:26.06 | Amarande | Leveling in Pandaria punishes altitis because: from what I've seen, unless you do lots of dungeons and dailies and archaeology, you pretty much need to do most or all of the 85-89 quests on every alt in order to get them to 90, due to the sheer amount of XP involved |
| 16:26.30 | Amarande | My mage is 88 and a half and still has most of Pandaria left to do, but that's *because* I've done lots of dailies and archaeology, I'm pretty sure :) |
| 16:27.34 | Amarande | And the item upgrades just punish anyone who hasn't already got heirloom weapons, because now that's yet another many thousand of them you have to spend on your main before you're not a total moron to shell out thousands of them on an heirloom for an alt. :| |
| 16:51.28 | JunkHead | MoP isn't perfect, but it probably is the best expansion out so far. |
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| 16:53.11 | JunkHead | There are certain things that make it alt friendly, and certain things that make it the opposite. |
| 16:53.40 | Amarande | Yeah, I've wondered if the unfriendly features are a consistent strategy of Blizzard's. |
| 16:53.52 | JunkHead | You need to retire your tin foil hat. |
| 16:54.08 | Amarande | They forced CRZ upon us without even mentioning it till it was already in the "it's going to happen no matter how much you the playerbase speak against it" pipeline |
| 16:54.11 | JunkHead | You've been wearing since you started coming to this channel. |
| 16:54.27 | Amarande | (keep in mind that usually they listen to the players if a feature is a particularly obvious lemon during testing, like Essence of Immortal ...) |
| 16:54.31 | JunkHead | CRZ doesn't bother me a bit. |
| 16:54.48 | Amarande | It's more the aim they possibly have *with* CRZ that I'm wondering about. |
| 16:54.48 | JunkHead | Except the bug where it knocks people off of a passenger mount. |
| 16:54.59 | JunkHead | Other than that, CRZ is fine with me. |
| 16:55.21 | Amarande | Particularly, the combination of CRZ, guild perks (which have the effect of pushing the player base to coalesce into a smallish number of very large guilds), and now features that make altitis quite a debilitating condition. |
| 16:55.35 | JunkHead | Yeah, leveling a guild isn't that big a deal. |
| 16:55.38 | JunkHead | Much easier now. |
| 16:55.58 | JunkHead | My guild, near the end of Cata that I was struggling to get to lvl 5 with... is almost 18 now. |
| 16:56.05 | Amarande | The impression one gets of this is that Bobby wants Blizzard to cut back on WoW's server footprint (probably to get ready for Titan, I'm going to guess, and before that just plain to Save Money) |
| 16:56.05 | JunkHead | with 2-3 people doing it. |
| 16:56.43 | Amarande | since CRZ explicitly saves server resources on Blizzard's end no matter what, and coalescing guilds and encouraging players to have fewer alts induces players to use less server resources per person |
| 16:57.30 | Amarande | Also, keep in mind that Bobby's not a gamer. It would be just like him to pressure Blizzard to do things that aren't gamer friendly, because he's out of touch with the current gamer base and doesn't have to care personally since he's not one :P |
| 16:57.55 | Amarande | Not that it's hard *not* to keep in mind that Bobby's not a gamer, since he seems to PRIDE himself upon being a gaming CEO that doesn't game, ROFL |
| 16:58.17 | Amarande | Junk: yeah, but it took them a whole expansion to do that |
| 16:58.21 | JunkHead | You call him Bobby as if you know him... |
| 16:58.29 | JunkHead | Again, take off the tin foil hat |
| 16:58.41 | JunkHead | stop acting like everythign blizzard does is "You egtting fucked by the man" |
| 16:58.53 | Amarande | Not to mention the guild rep system was painfully unfriendly as initially created. You basically had to stick to your main at all times if you wanted to get anywhere near exalted back in the day. :) |
| 16:58.56 | JunkHead | either try to enjoy it and play, or quit and stop complaining. |
| 16:59.05 | Amarande | Now it's a nice thing. You get exalted with your guild by the time you're 40, usually. :D |
| 16:59.17 | JunkHead | you're overcomplicating things.0 |
| 16:59.27 | Amarande | Although it's a pity it makes the upgraded guild tabards hardly worth it to buy unless you really need one more tabard for the achievement. LOL |
| 17:00.17 | Amarande | Speaking of which. When are we going to hear more about Titan? :) |
| 17:00.37 | JunkHead | next week. tuesday at 12pm PST |
| 17:00.47 | JunkHead | how the fuck should I know? |
| 17:00.53 | JunkHead | they'll tell us stuff when they want. |
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| 17:23.12 | Amarande | Junk: actually, I quite enjoy WoW, even if I rib it fairly often. :) |
| 17:23.30 | Amarande | actually, as exemplified by Winston Churchill and golf, usually it's the biggest fans of something that tend to criticise it the most often, heh |
| 17:24.24 | Amarande | Churchill was a very avid golfer. Despite, or more likely actually *because of* this, he described golf as the art of getting a small ball into a smaller hole using weapons singularly ill-designed for the purpose. :) |
| 17:25.03 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] 5.2 PTR: New Troll Transmog Gear - http://www.wowhead.com/news=209406/5-2-ptr-new-troll-transmog-gear |
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| 17:36.36 | fewyn | [12:36:24] Reputation with Operation: Shieldwall increased by 180. (41.3 equal gains to Revered.) |
| 17:36.37 | fewyn | sigh |
| 17:39.49 | b4k4^^ | I just dinged exalted on my shammy yesterday, only done dailies and the flavor quests |
| 17:42.59 | Amarande | I'm glad they've made Thorium Brotherhood so much easier to max out |
| 17:43.17 | Amarande | Although it makes me wonder just what I'm going to do with all these lava and fiery cores from MC runs, LOL |
| 17:45.53 | b4k4^^ | they made it even easier? |
| 17:46.38 | b4k4^^ | you used to get to revered just from the quests, then a couple of farm runs for the residue and ding |
| 17:46.44 | b4k4^^ | took less than a day |
| 17:57.47 | Amarande | It used to be you didn't get to Revered just from the quests :) |
| 17:57.52 | Amarande | I'm comparing to pre-Cata, not pre-MoP |
| 18:00.14 | Amarande | ROFL I named my new dwarf female rogue Ailruna and I didn't even recognise the obvious dwarven joke until now :D |
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| 18:27.33 | kullervo | what, "ale run"? |
| 18:36.21 | Amarande | Yeah LOL |
| 19:28.02 | Amarande | bwuh |
| 19:28.08 | Amarande | did they nerf the appearance rate of rare wild pets? :| |
| 19:47.39 | fewyn | i wish i could queue a list of things and it'd just craft instead of me having to click the craft button for each seperate item |
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| 20:38.16 | Amarande | fewyn: you mean that the ATSW/Skillet queue system would do the whole thing at once? |
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| 22:38.06 | fewyn | wtf it said 16 minute average wait time just a moment ago nw it says 43 minutes :/ |
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| 23:43.21 | fewyn | come on lei shi papa fewyn wants a sexy dagger |
| 23:44.12 | Amarande | heh, I think so far the only Pandarian dungeon loot I've acquired is a dagger |
| 23:50.47 | fewyn | fuck you lei shi |
| 23:51.13 | b4k4^^ | on my priest two dungeons, 4 pieces of gear and a 496 belt from Galleon |
| 23:52.37 | jane | i got a belt from galleon and 2 tier pieces from sha, and i think my entire guild wanted to crucify me |
| 23:53.02 | jane | and then people got mad i had a sha tier piece for offspec too <.< |
| 23:53.56 | jane | but dungeons suck. i remember the first month of panda was queueing for jade temple over and over and over again |
| 23:54.18 | jane | for a helm iirc, and then a weapon from multiple dungeons that never dropped |
| 23:54.44 | jane | and then last week i got all possible shaman healing weapons from hof+tes on lfr |
| 23:54.57 | jane | blizzard is funny |
| 23:55.24 | b4k4^^ | heh |
| 23:55.30 | Amarande | Heh, 496 should have been arranged to be the top ilvl of the expansion |
| 23:55.35 | Amarande | so someone could say 496 is the perfect gear |
| 23:55.52 | b4k4^^ | on the priest nothing from lfr yet, on the shammy got two weapons in one run :P |
| 23:56.07 | Amarande | Seeing that 496 is a perfect number and the only such number that will probably ever be the ilvl of WoW raid gear LOL |
| 23:56.09 | jane | so i had run the lfr shit like 4 weeks in a row until i got a weapon >< |
| 23:56.22 | b4k4^^ | granted, only done MsV once on the priest :D |
| 23:56.23 | jane | so to get what was i think 4 weapons? in the same day...pissed me off |
| 23:56.36 | jane | spent most of my tokens on that too |
| 23:56.42 | jane | coins, rather |
| 23:57.00 | jane | can't even give it away :( |
| 23:57.58 | jane | i should probably start spending my valor on upgrading gear |