IRC log for #wowhead on 20121026

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00:48.02Freyja[The Wowhead Blog] Mists of Pandaria: Patch 5.0.5 Hotfixes - http://www.wowhead.com/news=207714/mists-of-pandaria-patch-5-0-5-hotfixes
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00:57.13LibertineLushwhat's a good way of finding a pve server that's strong at pvp?  right now i'm just cross referencing all the players' servers in the Rated BG rankings with the server list filtered to PVE-only
01:02.37Amarandehrm
01:02.45Amarandeto play one of my established characters or begin yet another alt ...
01:03.17Amarandealso to remember if I've got all the professions but JC represented yet
01:03.51Amarandelet's see. engi/mining, inscription/herb, alch/herb, BS/mining, tailoring/enchanting, LW/skinning.
01:04.01AmarandeI haven't missed anything besides JC, I *think* ...
01:06.10Amarandeok, let's see what this monk thing is all about. :)
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01:19.24StormscapeMantid Under Fire is the worst quest in Mists.
01:20.28MasanI would disagree by saying that I hate all of the dailies. Golden Lotus, Klaxxi, they're all a pain.
01:20.29AmarandeStorm: that's just asking to find a worse one. :)
01:20.44AmarandeAnd, actually, the worst quest since Mists, even though it's not actually a Mists quest
01:21.08Amarandeis the one in Redridge to rescue the prisoners from the Blackrock orc base
01:21.49AmarandeThey apparently decided to fix some sort of thing they felt was an exploit with druid mushrooms and as a result you pretty much can barely ever use the distraction when you actually need it, since it just comes up "No Path Available"
01:22.18LibertineLushanyone here on Kil'jaeden?  after some reading, it seems like world pvp is very alive on this server
01:23.03Amarande(And from what I understand, the so-called "exploit" consisted of putting mushrooms where melee characters couldn't walk up to them. Oh boohoobie, you might actually have to use only a ranged attack to take out a druid's shrooms. Boo hoo.)
01:24.29AmarandeAs a result, you're just not going to manage that quest at level 18 unless you're really lucky. Pretty much you have to level up a fair bit more till you hit the point where you can just overpower the elites.
01:27.23raspyweee
01:28.03raspyhehe tillers is ok daily
01:28.04raspys
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01:30.40MasanTillers aren't so bad
01:30.47MasanAll the same, a bit same-y
01:31.09MasanSome Cata dailies were more fun than MoP dailies
01:33.55AmarandeAnd really, like I've said, when it comes to dailies that suck
01:34.10AmarandeIt will be a while before Blizzard tops that one for Sons of Hodir where you were supposed to wrangle the dragon
01:34.29AmarandeEven if I really care about Sons rep on a character, I tend to just skip that one altogether
01:35.23AmarandeFavourite daily of all time, OTOH - probably the booterang. :)
01:38.33NerkelMine would be Theiving Little Pluckers
01:40.25AmarandeBTW, is there a quick list anywhere of those reps that *require* dungeon grinding with tabards in order to max, as opposed to ones that have even one daily or otherwise repeatable quest?
01:42.15NerkelNot to my knowledger
01:42.24NerkelBut off the top of my head, Ramkahen would be on that list
01:42.42NerkelWell, they have one daily
01:42.49NerkelBut I wouldn't count that personally.
01:42.53fewynmostly TBC reps
01:42.59fewynand raid reps
01:43.32StormscapeRamakhen has 2 dailies
01:43.49fewynyeah but they give very little rep
01:43.51Stormscapethe catapult one gives Ramakhen rep
01:43.57NerkelThat's right
01:44.02NerkelIt used to not give ramkahen rep
01:44.11NerkelThey patched that in if I recall, relatively early on
01:44.16StormscapeI think they changed that in the first month
01:44.21StormscapeSince it was giving rep in January of 2011
01:45.03Stormscapeand without hooman/guild rep bonuses, it's 400 rep per day from their 2 dailies
01:45.17Stormscape150 for the hammer one, 250 for the catapult
01:47.17NerkelThere were a lot of Northrend factions that you got rep with if you didn't wear a tabard
01:47.30NerkelThe Alliance Vanguard reps
01:48.06Amarandeyeah, mostly wondering if there's any particular "speed bump" reps when it comes to maxing everything out
01:48.20Amarandeas in ones that you need a tabard AND need to go back to old world dungeons for because the tabard calls for specific level dungeons
01:48.28Eraclito[03:47:12] <Nerkel> There were a lot of Northrend factions that you got rep with if you didn't wear a tabard <- but it's from 3.3 anyway
01:48.29StormscapeRamakhen can be gotten without dungeons if you don't mind it taking awhile
01:48.51AmarandeCity tabards work at any level, but the Wrath and Cata ones only work if you go back to 80 and 85 dungeons
01:48.59Eraclitoalso, the frost dwarves have a daily quest, the eagle one
01:49.05NerkelOne daily
01:49.11Amarandebtw, did they ever fix that glitch with the city tabards and BC dungeons?
01:49.18Eraclitoglitch?
01:49.20Stormscape48 days for 1/21000 to Exalted for Ramakhen if you just do the 2 dailies with guild bonus
01:50.49AmarandeEraclito: if you go to a BC dungeon whose regular rep is capped (i.e., the ones before 69-70 level range)
01:50.58Amarandeand wear a capital city tabard
01:51.22Amarandeit will cap your capital city rep at the same level that the corresponding BC rep is capped at for that dungeon, and after that only give you generic "Horde" or "Alliance" rep that doesn't apply to any city at all
01:51.43Eraclitooh, the hidden rep
01:51.43Amarandethe same behaviour as if you'd hit 999 exalted and still wearing the tabard
01:52.12Eraclitoit helps the alliance/horde reps up to 5999 friendly
01:52.17Amarandee.g., if the BC dungeon won't let you progress past Honoured (which is common for pre-70 BC dungeons)
01:52.37Amarandeand you wear a city tabard and are Revered, it will only give you Alliance/Horde rep instead of city rep
01:52.40Amarandeseems to be a glitch.
01:53.02Amarandeonly the BC rep should be being capped, the tabard doesn't say anything about level restrictions
01:53.19Amarande(hell, you can get city rep in RFC all the way up to exalted, so there's hardly a balancing reason LOL)
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01:55.31NerkelSo, let me ask you guys this
01:55.48NerkelIs there a "cap" or a limit of some sort on how many times you can use a stablemaster to ressurect your battle pets?
01:56.20AmarandeGluh, three weeks almost till I even get all the minor glyphs I have access to at this level.
01:56.31AmarandeCan't they do something like, remove the cooldown and just have it take more mats or something? :)
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02:04.01NerkelI recieved this earlier today, which is why I ask : http://i.imgur.com/zf3lH.jpg
02:04.14NerkelThere doesn't seem to be any mentions of it from what I can find
02:10.02Amarandehrm. wonder what my chances are of soloing Attumen at this point
02:11.19Amarandelevel 85, mage, i362
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02:13.29NerkelYou might
02:13.35NerkelTrash would be the trickiest part I bet.
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02:26.49Amarandeactually, the trickiest part right now is finding someone to group with so I can convert to raid
02:27.09Amarande23 people on in guild, but most everyone is either already in a group for some or other instance or they seem to be afk
02:35.09LibertineLushis there a raid finder now?  saw some vid where it look like dungeon finder.  for raids
02:40.38NerkelRaid finder has been in since the last raid of Catacylsm
02:41.34LibertineLushi think i quit just before that
02:41.40LibertineLushdoes it work well or mostly ends in failure
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02:47.34NerkelIts a mixed basket
02:47.47NerkelYou're relying on 24 other strangers who may or may not be geared, know the fights, or care
02:48.01NerkelThere are people who only join LFR's to grief and some just /afk near the entrance for free loot
02:48.17LibertineLushhaha
02:49.28LibertineLushwhat's RAF?  seeing that acronym alot
02:55.11AmarandeRecruit-A-"Friend"
02:55.33Amarande(I have Friend in quotes because I'm not sure how many people actually use it to recruit friends, compared to hardcore players who use it to purchase a second account with the speed leveling benefits)
02:55.51LibertineLushah!
02:56.19LibertineLushi only quit a couple years ago and yet i recall so little despite having been so hardcore
02:57.21LibertineLushcan you search for player names in World of Logs?  wanted to see if my rankings are still there
02:57.26LibertineLushdoesnt' seem like you can
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04:33.38LibertineLushis there any way to speak to ppl on other servers now?  is that a part of CRZ?
04:50.18jamphati know you can if you were recently grouped with them
04:51.39LibertineLushthere's a person i got along with before i quit.  so if i recall his name, i can't just message him now i guess?
04:55.57LibertineLushok, this is problematic.  my character is 85, with no gold: " These characters will be eligible for a Faction Change/Character Transfer if the [Resurrection] Scroll's sender is on another realm/faction, but they will not receive the benefits (items, skills, talents, etc.) from the boost to level 80."
04:56.07LibertineLushany ideas on how i'd gear up?  my character's naked
04:58.25StormscapeDo you have around 500-700g?
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04:58.41LibertineLushno gold.  and naked
04:59.09StormscapeFirst off then, you need to do stuff you can kill naked.
04:59.17StormscapeProbably TBC heroics
04:59.30LibertineLushoh god
04:59.33LibertineLushlol
05:00.36StormscapeWork your way up
05:00.44Stormscapeget lowbie gear, then use the lowbie gear to get better gear
05:00.57LibertineLushyou can go in dungeons solo?  can't recall
05:01.33StormscapeYes.
05:01.54LibertineLushtbc is level…70? 75?
05:01.59Stormscape70.
05:02.14LibertineLushso you think i can solo it naked, without too much frustration?
05:02.26StormscapeIt will help immensely if you're not melee.
05:02.48LibertineLushwait, but, i'd have to punch stuff.  they can't possibly die that way, even from a melee
05:02.50LibertineLushyea, i'm melee
05:03.25LibertineLusheven from a 85*
05:03.46LibertineLushi think the solution is i need to supress the desire to come back
05:03.57StormscapeWarrior?
05:04.03LibertineLushrogue
05:04.15Stormscapejust level another character.
05:04.19StormscapeMake a monk
05:04.56LibertineLushdoes those start at a higher level, like with DKs?
05:05.04LibertineLushdo*
05:05.10StormscapeNo
05:05.13StormscapeBut they level insanely fast
05:05.19LibertineLushhow come?
05:05.41StormscapeBecause they're ridiculously OP, plus monks get a daily that gives them +50% XP from monsters for an hour
05:05.55LibertineLushah
05:06.21StormscapeAnother solution could be make a DK actually. Make a DK, level to 58, use the gold to buy level 50ish items for your rogue
05:06.27Stormscapeuse the level 50 items to get better stuff
05:07.03LibertineLushyea…  man, this is a bit of downer lol
05:07.55LibertineLushi can send gold amongst characters on different servers?  i intend to move my rogue to a new one
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05:12.31jamphatscroll of res dont you get a free set of crap gear/
05:12.35jamphat?
05:13.03LibertineLushonly for characters up to level 80 apparently: " These characters will be eligible for a Faction Change/Character Transfer if the Scroll's sender is on another realm/faction, but they will not receive the benefits (items, skills, talents, etc.) from the boost to level 80."
05:13.37jamphatwait why wouldnt you go to lvl 80? im confused
05:13.51jamphatoh
05:13.53jamphati see
05:13.59jamphatwhy you naked lol
05:14.04jamphatwhat server you going to?
05:14.59LibertineLushi sold all my stuff.  gave my considerable amount of money to a rather kind person i got along with in the game.  he even warned me that i might regret this lol
05:15.06LibertineLushkil'ja…something  pvp one
05:15.27jamphatkiljaeden or whatever, yea
05:15.33LibertineLushyea that's it
05:15.42jamphatif you were coming tokorgath id throw you some gold
05:16.10LibertineLushaww.  /hug
05:16.22jamphatim rich, bitch :-P
05:16.30LibertineLushme too!  i was
05:16.33jamphatlol
05:16.36LibertineLushhaha
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05:30.42StormscapeI named my bank guild <Install Gentoo>
05:31.33Amarandewow, why was I even worrying about the trash before Attumen
05:31.41Amaranderegular mobs in Jade Forest are three times as painful as these :)
05:31.45Amarandemore, really heh
05:35.33Amarandeno engineering pattern or mount this week though :(
05:42.22LibertineLushis there email notification of replies in the official forums?
05:42.42LibertineLushjust posted about my dilemna
05:43.34LibertineLushhmm.  there doesn't seem to be.  how can ppl still make forums that function like this
05:46.15Amarandealso, kara = thank the blizz gods for AoE loot :)
05:47.31StormscapeLibertineLush, because the WoW forums is so much different from any other forum out there
05:47.38StormscapeYou do NOT want e-mail notifications at all
05:47.39Stormscapeever
05:47.46LibertineLushwhy?
05:47.53StormscapeDo you want an e-mail saying XXLegolasXX called you a fag
05:48.25Stormscapethe official forums are 99.5% trolls and 0.5% retards
05:48.44StormscapeIt's just trolls all the way down
05:48.55LibertineLushwhen i post in several threads, i'm expected to bookmark or keep tabs open for all threads.  most sites don't do this.  only ones i can think of is this one and guild wars 2's
05:49.10LibertineLushjust lemme know if someone replies and i'll check it
05:49.16StormscapeNotice the pattern
05:49.22Stormscapeanother official forum for a large MMO
05:49.44LibertineLushi've never been trolled in the gw2 one
05:50.00LibertineLushleast in the couple times i had the patience to recheck where i posted
05:51.13Stormscapethe "search for my posts" function is there for a reason.
05:51.47LibertineLushit's such a ridicously inconvinience
05:52.24LibertineLushno wonder i have 0 posts when i check on my profile
05:52.30Stormscapeto have to press 2 buttons?
05:53.19LibertineLushi don't wanna leave a tab open in my browser jsut so i can check in regularily to see if maybe someone replied
05:54.01LibertineLushmost sites have the reply option, surely because most users also find it much more convinient
05:54.09LibertineLushnotification option*
05:54.22StormscapeI don't think I've ever even noticed this function you're complaining that the WoW forums are missing
05:54.23Stormscapeon any forum
05:54.25LibertineLushi dunno if you're being sarcastic with the trolling argument
05:54.40LibertineLushbut that would be an awful reason to not offer this feature
05:54.56StormscapeOr maybe Blizzard just doesn't give a shit?
05:55.16StormscapeTook years just to fix search
05:55.41StormscapeSearch was disabled for most of TBC and almost all of Wrath
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17:43.43StormscapePeople in Trade are making up words again and it makes me angry
17:43.49Stormscape"LF casualcore raiding guild"
17:47.41Amarandecasualcore ... pretty much what it says on the tin, I'm guessing
17:48.05Amarandewhich, I would assume would be a guild that raids on a casual schedule basis, but when you do raid you're expected to take it with the seriousness and focus of a hardcore
17:48.45Mr_Rabieswhy would you ever screw around in a raid, that's what i've never understood
17:48.58Amarandepossibly where raiding isn't mandatory
17:48.59Mr_Rabiesyou should be hardcore when you get in there, or you're wasting everyone's time
17:49.08Mr_Rabiesthis also applies to LFR
17:49.17Mr_Rabiespeople are always like "lol >trying in lfr"
17:49.27hylje>greentext
17:50.09Amarandethere's different levels of "not screwing around" though
17:50.23Amarandethere's "make sure you listen to the raid leader and don't screw up the same way repeatedly"
17:50.32Amarandethen there's "make sure you read up on the battles beforehand"
17:50.47Amarandethen there's the people who insist on poring over hours of YouTube footage from top guilds before you're considered ready to raid
17:50.48eidyiaI think of causal raiding like - relaxed scheduling of time and not like 8 days a week for 30 hours / day
17:50.57eidyiaagree that once in raid - it's hardcore
17:51.16Amarandesometimes spending more hours watching Ensidia-class guilds on YouTube than actually raiding, from what I hear of some "casually hardcore" types
17:51.41eidyiamaybe a causal raider is someone who watches method's live stream
17:51.51Amarandeheh, never mind that YouTube is a terrible interface for learning raids
17:51.52eidyiaor someone who just DVRs it :)
17:52.18Amarandeconsidering that so many people WoW on big, high-resolution screens for the sake of having lots of UI real estate
17:52.30Amarandewhich ... can get almost impossible to read at the resolutions that YouTube is actually watched at
17:52.53eidyiaAmarande: you saying we should play WoW on our iPad Minis?
17:53.28Amarandeeidyia: I'm saying back in the days when 1280x1024 or even 1024x768 were more common, the compression to YT resolution wasn't nearly as brutal
17:53.46Amarandenow 1920x1200 is great for WoW, but good luck watching video of it at streaming-video resolution, anything detailed will just blur out
17:53.56eidyiayah
17:53.58eidyiai hear ya
17:54.05eidyiathat's why i do all my raiding on my nexus 10
17:54.11eidyiaall that matters is the boss
17:54.32Amarandeheh, maybe if you want to watch a professionally executed success
17:54.42Amarandenot so much if you're trying to learn the raid, since what they're actually doing is going to be blurry :)
17:54.50JunkHeadI've only done the LFR Mogu-Shan Vaults once.
17:54.55JunkHeadIt wasn't bad at all.
17:55.07AmarandeJunk: do the crafting patterns drop in LFR?
17:55.10eidyiai'm still stuck on iLvl like 440
17:55.13JunkHeadI dunno.
17:55.16eidyianeed to get my some H LFG gear
17:55.19JunkHeadNever looked that up.
17:55.25Amarandethey're trash drops, so I'm not sure how difficulty applies to them
17:55.27eidyiaprobably gonna start crafting crap gear just to get in
17:55.45JunkHeadBefore me and a friend went, I read basic info on wowhead for the first 3 bosses.
17:56.02JunkHeadThen once we got in, one raid member gave very brief instructions.
17:56.07Amarandewhich makes me think the question pretty much just is
17:56.19Amarandeare trash drops regular on LFR, or are there boss drops only?
17:56.19JunkHeadThat and me and my friend tried to follow a long with the Raid Journal thing.
17:56.25JunkHeadNo idea.
17:56.40JunkHeadThere isn't a lot of trash there.
17:56.43Amarande(or do they even have the trash on LFR mode?)
17:56.50JunkHeadI don't remember anythign good dropping though.
17:56.56JunkHeadThere is trash in LFR yes.
17:57.14JunkHeadI've never doen normal, so it might be a bit less though.
17:57.23Stormscape>that feel when people from your old server prove the stereotype that the server sucks by doing 9k DPS at 90
17:57.27StormscapeJunk, LFR has less trash
17:57.32JunkHeadOk.
18:06.01kullervostorm, that's pretty much less than you should do by auto attacking on some classes
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18:19.09kullervoon top of all my other roles, now also captain obvious
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18:27.07Stormscapekullervo, and yet he was a rogue
18:27.09Stormscapeboggles the mind
18:30.30kullervoI think following the tank with a cast fan of knives macro would be quite wffective
18:31.09kullervoused to have a healing macro on my priest in wotlk, worked in heroics
18:34.03Freyja[The Wowhead Blog] 5.1 PTR - Build 16208 - New Items, Spell Changes, and More - http://www.wowhead.com/news=207737/5-1-ptr-build-16208-new-items-spell-changes-and-more
18:59.51JunkHeadhttp://ptr.wowhead.com/item=92948#comments
18:59.56JunkHeadman wtf another agi heirloom?
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19:07.10fewynyeah JunkHead we need more imo
19:07.15fewynalso fist weapon!
19:07.16fewynyay
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19:39.50fewyni hit 500k gold this morning
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19:40.20raspyim broke as hell currently myself
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19:42.12raspy[12:41:03] [G] [90:Demonboom]: this has been the week from hell, if we dont get a boss or two down i'm going to be upset :-)
19:42.35raspythats my guild leader and hes bitching cuz cant get a boss down yet in vaults
19:42.50raspymy response is he migght if i go
19:43.53JunkHeadWe unlocked heirloom leggings last night finally.:)
19:44.49JunkHeadand we're 41% to lvl 13.:D
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19:52.13Amarandeheh, heirlooms
19:52.28Amarandeevery now and then I think of getting some, but atm I've only ever used two of them
19:52.41Amarandeand really only ever *used* one of them, since one of them I bought for an alt I never got around to leveling up before I stopped playing much on that server
19:53.14Amarandeguh when did eternal earth and shadow get so expensive
19:53.26AmarandeI figured I ought to make my own titansteel since titansteel is up, but then found the eternals seem to be annoyingly up as well
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20:03.46JunkHeadif all else fails, go solo some wotlk heroics and then trade in the frozen orbs for eternals
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22:02.12Amarandehm
22:02.20AmarandeAnything in Kara that you *can't* solo at i378 level 85 as a mage? :)
22:02.33AmarandeSo far I've made it up through Curator, and the only thing that kept me from continuing was full bags
22:03.04Amarandealthough Maiden and BBW are complete pains in the bum to solo (and BBW took over 2 minutes in particular), they're doable :p
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22:03.46JunkHeadall can be soloed at 85
22:03.54JunkHeadi doubt class matters at all.
22:04.11Amarandeyeah, BBW will be a bitch with any class, the main issue is how little time you get to attack
22:04.30Amarandeespecially since the timing on RRH and howl seems to be carefully staggered so that you lose annoyingly large amounts of the windows between RRH's to the fear
22:05.06AmarandeMaiden looks to mostly be because I'm a caster, and she has that annoying constantly refreshed silence so basically it's just casting Arcane Barrage as much as the tiny flickers of castable time let you
22:05.11Amarande(and refreshing ice barrier of course)
22:05.54AmarandeI was surprised how fast Moroes went down, I was worried about Garrote, particularly, for some reason
22:06.59Amarandenot sure yet if I'll do Nightbane, mostly because I've forgotten how and where to summon him LOL
22:09.24Amarandehm
22:09.28Amarandetries to remember now
22:09.50Amarandeis it actually possible to set heroic mode when solo, or do you need to have a second person group with you to enable the ability to set it, like you need a second person to enter raid portals?
22:10.09JunkHeadshould be able to while solo.
22:10.12AmarandeI *thought* you could, but last time I remember trying it ISTR that I ended up on normal mode
22:10.19Amarandebut not sure if I didn't just bungle it up
22:10.44Amarandeah yes, now I remember what it was
22:11.03AmarandeIt was forgetting to turn in a quest in heroic Shattered Halls, and trying to go back inside solo and ending up in normal SH
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22:16.07Amarandearight, now it works :)
22:32.55Amarandeheh, and just occurred to me there is a practical reason to choose frost bomb over nether tempest
22:33.00Amarandeif you're going to be doing a lot of instance soloing
22:33.16Amarandeit's actually a pretty good idea to choose a level 75 talent that is not from the same element that your mage specs
22:36.18Amarandespecifically: because having good spells of multiple elements handy is great in case you get hit with school lockouts (which is irritatingly common when soloing old content since so many melee mobs have an interrupt)
22:36.54Amarandeheh, not to mention specific cases like, e.g., arcane being absolutely useless against Curator, good thing I discovered soon enough that I needed to spam scorch instead :p
22:38.54Amarandebah. do BC heroic bosses not give JP anymore?
22:41.43WardAmarande, I solo´d kara on my mage at 80
22:41.52Wardthe only fight that gives me trouble
22:41.55Wardis Chess
22:41.58Wardcause I suck at it
22:42.06Wardalways takes me a few tries, even now at 90
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22:50.12AmarandeFinishing off the last few bits of Outland Dungeon Hero I managed to miss ATM. :)
22:50.24AmarandeWhen did Capacitus get an enrage timer on heroic? *headscratch*
22:50.33Amarande(Not that he got anywhere near it, timer's 3 minutes and he died in 15 seconds heh)
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23:14.25Amarandehuh. some of the mobs in H-Bot give Tushui rep *blink*
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23:36.06Mr_Rabiesput on a tabard and all the heroic dungeons do
23:36.07Mr_Rabies:o
23:39.35AmarandeI mean, I was wearing a different tabard altogether (Gilneas, to be exact)
23:39.49Amarandeand certain mobs (the plant frayer ones, specifically) were giving 1-2 rep with Tushui
23:39.51Amarandethat's an odd link
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23:43.18nebula169not really, anything that gives generic faction rep will give you panda rep
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