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| 02:05.02 | Amarande | So, I wonder how many new WoW players who came in with MoP are unsubscribing by now LOL |
| 02:05.16 | JunkHead- | ? |
| 02:05.26 | Amarande | Not that it would scare an experienced player like me off, but being that I'm in the process of starting a panda, I can see a lot of newbies being scared off by it :| |
| 02:05.51 | JunkHead- | I didn't see much wron with the panda starting areas. |
| 02:06.09 | Amarande | heh, I'm just noting that it seems to be a fair bit harder |
| 02:06.32 | Amarande | The last time I came this close to dead this many times (though haven't actually died) in the starting zone was pre-Cata |
| 02:07.04 | Amarande | well, and in the worgen starting zone post 5.0, but there were problems with the worgen starting zone in particular post 5.0 that I don't think really were meant to be part of the difficulty balance :S |
| 02:09.22 | Amarande | Of course, maybe it's the class |
| 02:09.33 | Amarande | I haven't played shaman since BC, so I don't know if shamans in general just have this rough of a road in the early levels |
| 02:10.04 | Amarande | You don't get a self heal till the late single digits, and even then it's pretty viciously expensive in terms of mana till you spec |
| 02:10.49 | Amarande | otoh, I don't remember any of the other starting areas except the worgen one having any boss mobs on a power level with the ones on Wandering Isle |
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| 03:50.39 | tate | haa.. |
| 03:51.15 | tate | 23:53 <@neutronimity> Does anyone have a tank at level ~75 on a EU server, alliance side? Looking to speed run dungeons - I'm healer :p |
| 03:51.18 | tate | a bit late but yesss :D |
| 03:51.28 | tate | oh he's off, surprising |
| 03:53.55 | Amarande | tate: hey, this is how dungeon groups always work (or worked before the days of LFD, which tends to only kind of help, at least before max level heh) |
| 03:54.23 | Amarande | If you're DPS, you sit and sit and sit because you can't find a tank or healer (but probably picked up two fellow DPS in the first thirty seconds, if they haven't got disgusted and given up by now) |
| 03:54.42 | Amarande | If you're a tank, you gather up three willing DPS in thirty seconds and then sit and sit and sit because you can't find a healer who's free |
| 03:54.57 | Amarande | and if you're a healer, three DPS are yours in thirty seconds and then you ... you guessed it heh |
| 03:55.20 | tate | last time i played my warrior it was with neutronimity.. like half a year ago |
| 03:55.23 | tate | haven't touched it sinec |
| 03:55.50 | Amarande | also, in that regard, in retrospect, one could say pretty resoundingly that they introduced heroic dungeons one expansion and three patches too soon |
| 03:56.15 | Amarande | hindsight is always perfect, though. :) |
| 03:56.37 | tate | i want to gear up my main but i'm tired to honor grind against bots <;c |
| 03:56.48 | tate | np: http://youtu.be/ewFsbz2qC5w?hd=1 |
| 03:57.07 | tate | also it's 6am, wonder none else plays at this time lol |
| 03:57.10 | Amarande | I mean, LFD should have been in place *before* they introduced a dungeon type that you can only do once a day. It would have made my life in BC much more fun. |
| 03:57.57 | Paaarn | BC wasn't about fun |
| 03:58.01 | Amarande | Let's see ... it's hard enough for the small-guild player to find a group as it is, LET'S ADD DUNGEONS THAT YOU CAN ONLY DO ONCE A DAY, SO THE SUPPLY OF AVAILABLE GOOD TANKS AND HEALERS IS EVEN SMALLER :p |
| 03:58.13 | Amarande | what was BC about, anyway? |
| 03:58.30 | Paaarn | raiding until your eyes bled |
| 03:58.36 | Paaarn | and grinding for mats |
| 03:58.40 | Amarande | I remember my crowning achievements those days being getting exalted with the Shattered Sun Offensive and Netherwing :S |
| 03:58.53 | Paaarn | so you can be one of the 3 people in the 25 man raid who actually had pots and enchants |
| 03:59.22 | Amarande | although, sad to say, with only a very few exceptions, while the gameplay and grouping options have got better since BC |
| 03:59.24 | Amarande | the mounts really haven't |
| 03:59.35 | Amarande | for the most part I still find myself preferring my good old netherdrakes |
| 03:59.44 | Paaarn | I like the dark pheonix |
| 03:59.45 | Amarande | or my flying machines on my engineer, but those were from BC days too |
| 04:00.28 | Amarande | heh, the problem with enchants back then was more that inscription hadn't been invented yet |
| 04:01.00 | Amarande | so you couldn't just pick up optimal enchants off the auction house, never mind the mats you had to actually spam trade and track someone down who knew (insert obscure enchant that three enchanters on the realm actually know) |
| 04:01.02 | tate | btw is MM hunter out of pvp? |
| 04:01.06 | tate | and is it bm only |
| 04:01.23 | tate | every hunter i see is BM in pvp because of bugged pets |
| 04:01.56 | Amarande | as for potions, they were only slightly more useful in BC than they are now, right? |
| 04:02.27 | Amarande | (given that BC was the heyday of super tight enrage timers, so you might have gotten to pop oh maybe one or two more pots per fight than the one you're allowed now :S) |
| 04:03.33 | Amarande | actually, has the enrage timer really ever been a serious factor since BC? |
| 04:03.44 | Amarande | back in the day, it was something you really, seriously, had to worry about as a matter of life and death |
| 04:04.39 | Amarande | whereas I remember in Wrath, it was more "you might have trouble with it when you're first learning it, but if you're actually getting the boss down, you're probably doing it more than fast enough that the timer isn't anywhere close to becoming a nail-biting James Bond like countdown" |
| 04:05.13 | Paaarn | I think they've fine tuned it to that degree |
| 04:05.26 | Amarande | I think a few times we failed on PP, BQL, and particularly Sindy we hit the enrage, but I rarely remember us getting close to watching the last few seconds tick down when we killed them |
| 04:05.41 | Paaarn | I think it is one of the elements where WoW's 'smoothness' is actually less fun |
| 04:05.58 | Amarande | Whereas in BC, as I understand it, it was actually a serious worry |
| 04:06.00 | tate | lmao |
| 04:06.04 | tate | killed hc-boss without a healer |
| 04:06.26 | Amarande | and one of the other major reasons Sunwell for most people was just "that place you pop into to kill some trash mobs and hope for rare recipes" and not much more |
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| 04:06.46 | Paaarn | there's a lot of bosses in MOP where if you are not re-re, you could do it without a healer |
| 04:06.59 | JunkHead | IM A RE-RE!!!!! |
| 04:07.09 | Amarande | Paaarn: with some cases, Brutallus most notably, the enrage was so tightly tuned that you basically needed your entire raid to be BiS of all previously available gear in order for things to go well at all |
| 04:07.19 | Paaarn | JunkHead, we never doubted you. Not for a second! |
| 04:07.24 | Amarande | I don't think there's ever been anything like that since then |
| 04:07.27 | JunkHead | YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:07.38 | Paaarn | I don't think there is |
| 04:07.40 | Amarande | Which, mind you, isn't really a bad thing |
| 04:07.50 | Amarande | If you have to break out MATLAB to calculate how your raid needs to be geared and rotated to beat a boss |
| 04:07.59 | Amarande | ... the boss is too damned hard |
| 04:08.24 | Paaarn | heroic raids should be like that |
| 04:08.42 | Amarande | Such difficulty is fine in, say, single player console RPGs where you can save and try as many times as you want without having to drag 24 other people along each time you want to attempt it |
| 04:08.47 | Amarande | it doesn't really work so well in an MMO |
| 04:09.16 | Paaarn | speaking of...has anyone played dishonored? |
| 04:09.32 | Amarande | and by such difficulty the first things I think of are such lovelies as Hitoshura and Satan |
| 04:10.01 | Amarande | It's a pity I never actually got around to fighting Satan when I had a PS2 (although if Digital Devil Saga ever shows up on PS2 Classics on PSN, I'll likely buy it again and give it a go on the PS3, eventually) |
| 04:10.27 | Amarande | though that was more to do with the patience required to *reach* him than to defeat him :| |
| 04:10.35 | Paaarn | I think DDS is coming |
| 04:10.44 | tate | btw how is damage scaling done now in mop? |
| 04:10.50 | Amarande | The problem with getting to Satan is that to reach him, you have to first beat Seth |
| 04:10.50 | tate | i do less damage now than on 85 |
| 04:11.00 | Amarande | In order to be allowed to fight Seth, you have to first have beaten both Shiva and Vishnu |
| 04:11.26 | Amarande | In order to fight either Shiva or Vishnu, you need to find special keys to open the doors to the rooms they're in ... |
| 04:11.40 | Paaarn | I really wish I had liked strange journey more |
| 04:11.42 | Amarande | ... except each of those keys is the rarest possible drop from one of the two rarest enemies in the dungeon. :| |
| 04:11.50 | Amarande | It's like Pink Tails on steroids. |
| 04:12.13 | Amarande | Speaking of which, I'm actually not entirely sure if the Adamant armour actually helped with Zeromus at all or not :S |
| 04:12.54 | Amarande | I still need to get started with SJ. I bought it when it was still pretty new and haven't got around to playing it |
| 04:13.06 | Amarande | I really don't play my DS enough in general |
| 04:13.32 | Amarande | (I also have Pokemon Black, FF3, Devil Survivor, and TWEWY, none of which I've gotten around to playing more than a short while so far) |
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| 04:15.23 | Amarande | Maybe if I got a 3DS or DSi, I'd play it more. A major part of the reason I don't play my DS is that I can't use the Wi-Fi on it, and I know that Pokemon and FF3 at least have parts where the Wi-Fi is important |
| 04:16.11 | Amarande | Well, that and I imagine going from a 24" monitor on PC or 26" screen on PS3 to the DS screen size is rather a downer (seriously, I think the DS Lite's screen is smaller than the box screenshots on games. :S) |
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| 04:17.20 | Amarande | Paaarn, does it irritate you too that the Wi-Fi on any DS earlier than the DSi is a nigh useless feature? |
| 04:18.27 | JunkHead | I dont play my ds either. |
| 04:18.30 | Amarande | tate: that's how it was in cata, too |
| 04:18.32 | JunkHead | i dont even know where it is |
| 04:19.15 | Amarande | when you freshly dinged 85 your DPS was actually down from when you were 80 (less so if you didn't raid at 80, but even then there was a DPS drop while leveling) |
| 04:20.16 | Amarande | as for my PSP, the main reason it doesn't get enough love is that most of the time when I feel like playing a game on it, I try to turn it on and since it's been so long, the battery's dead |
| 04:20.25 | Amarande | although I can't use wifi here with it, either |
| 04:20.35 | Amarande | blasted lack of WPA2 support on portable game consoles :( |
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| 04:23.04 | JunkHead | I just never really want to play portable consoles anymore. |
| 04:23.08 | JunkHead | I had a psp once. |
| 04:23.13 | JunkHead | barely touched it. |
| 04:23.18 | JunkHead | then got a ds |
| 04:23.23 | JunkHead | played it even less. |
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| 04:34.45 | Amarande | sometimes I'm not sure why I keep portables around, although I want to actually finish the MegaTen games in particular before I trade them in |
| 04:35.03 | Amarande | and it seems like the traditional JRPG is becoming more and more scarce outside of portables |
| 04:35.10 | Paaarn | ^ |
| 04:35.14 | Amarande | although with 3D becoming a big thing on portables now, it might kill it off there, too :| |
| 04:35.24 | Paaarn | that is why I keep portables around |
| 04:35.33 | Amarande | hrm. |
| 04:35.44 | Paaarn | it will move to phones |
| 04:35.47 | Amarande | *ponders shaman specs* |
| 04:36.04 | Paaarn | resto |
| 04:37.18 | Amarande | yeah, thinking of that eventually, but do I want to do another leveling run that mostly consists of lfd, I'm already doing that on the druid |
| 04:37.24 | Amarande | so I'm thinking of ellie and picking up resto at 30 |
| 04:37.53 | Amarande | on the druid it makes sense anyway, the only reason she ever really needs to go out into the world is to get skill ups for herbalism |
| 04:38.15 | Amarande | since atm she's getting her profession leveling mats from surplus gathered by my warlock (alchemist) |
| 04:38.57 | Amarande | and inscription is just "sit around town near the mailbox & trainer" |
| 04:41.36 | Amarande | on the shaman, I'm doing LW/skinning |
| 04:41.45 | Amarande | which means she's actually going to have to spend loads and loads of time out in the world |
| 04:43.50 | Amarande | yay 580 page AH, Ysera has really come alive lately :) |
| 04:47.53 | Amarande | ... living steel belt buckles. *quivers and looks at wowhead recipe database, hoping, hoping, bugger.* |
| 04:47.56 | Amarande | seriously. |
| 04:48.13 | Stormscape | 3D gives me some pretty wicked headaches if it's the type that doesn't use glasses |
| 04:48.27 | Amarande | BS is going to be based for its livelihood primarily around a mat that has a daily cooldown on the production of |
| 04:49.05 | Amarande | and once again, we are reminded as to why the abbreviation for blacksmithing is such |
| 04:49.20 | Amarande | (just like how at work on a daily basis, I'm reminded of how apropos the abbreviation "POS systems" is. :P) |
| 04:49.57 | Amarande | hmmmm. that may cement my plans for alts once I have all the professions covered |
| 04:50.18 | Amarande | (read: everyone else is drafted into becoming alchemists, heh) |
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| 05:04.04 | Stormscape | Why do I still see people doing Dragon Soul pugs? Did some people actually like that horrible raid? |
| 05:04.33 | Mr_Rabies | it's not a bad raid, we just ran it for entirely too long |
| 05:04.49 | Mr_Rabies | just like ToC, i missed the TOC abuse so i actually love the raid |
| 05:05.10 | Mr_Rabies | i still kind of hate firelands beacuse of how long we ran that |
| 05:05.35 | Mr_Rabies | but i loved it when we first went |
| 05:05.43 | Mr_Rabies | it was molten core, but way, way better designed! |
| 05:06.37 | Stormscape | TOC is the 2nd worst raid they ever made |
| 05:06.41 | Stormscape | only Dragon Soul is worse |
| 05:07.15 | Mr_Rabies | it's entirely about how long you ran it |
| 05:07.22 | Mr_Rabies | DS has some really cool mechanics in it |
| 05:07.43 | Mr_Rabies | ToC has some great stuff, like the horde players, the chained fights, the unique mechanics, the surprise ending |
| 05:07.48 | Stormscape | Mr_Rabies, I hated it after the first time I did it. |
| 05:07.51 | Mewtwo | Firelands has my favorite boss encounter in it. |
| 05:07.53 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 05:07.55 | Mr_Rabies | you're Stormscape |
| 05:08.01 | Mr_Rabies | that doesn't surprise me |
| 05:08.07 | Mr_Rabies | which, Mewtwo |
| 05:08.13 | Mewtwo | aly |
| 05:08.20 | Mr_Rabies | please don't say leggy mcvolcano |
| 05:08.34 | Mewtwo | i always got to fly in that one. |
| 05:08.36 | Mr_Rabies | it would be a cool mechanic if it wasn't perpetually bugged the f out |
| 05:08.42 | Mr_Rabies | alysra is one of my favorites, too |
| 05:08.51 | Mr_Rabies | and i did ground melee |
| 05:09.02 | Mr_Rabies | dodging tornados was a great skill check |
| 05:09.09 | Stormscape | Problems with Dragon Soul: No trash, too much talking, Hipster Jesus, the most disappointing end boss in the history of MMOs, and the fact it was essentially a glorified boss hallway with a total of 12 trash pulls. |
| 05:09.19 | Mr_Rabies | how is no trash a problem, exactly |
| 05:09.19 | Amarande | Storm: there's probably also the late-comers who don't have the mount still taking a shot at it |
| 05:09.26 | Mewtwo | i would end up doing like 80k dps by the time i was done. lol |
| 05:09.37 | Mr_Rabies | i thought DS's trash was some of the worst |
| 05:09.43 | Mr_Rabies | not in terms of how much there was, per se |
| 05:09.50 | Mr_Rabies | but the pre-ultraxion trash sucked |
| 05:09.57 | Stormscape | Only if your group was bad |
| 05:10.13 | Mr_Rabies | it sucked because it barely took less than the maximum time |
| 05:10.22 | Mr_Rabies | even if you pulled each dragon immediately |
| 05:10.23 | Mr_Rabies | most times |
| 05:10.59 | Mr_Rabies | there's not really too much talking at all |
| 05:11.06 | Mr_Rabies | ultraxion and madness are the only two with RP |
| 05:11.19 | Mr_Rabies | well, warmaster had a little |
| 05:11.26 | Mr_Rabies | but it was like 10 secs before combat started |
| 05:11.31 | Stormscape | the entire Arr Pee event before you could even enter the Eye |
| 05:11.43 | Stormscape | it was like 45 seconds of RP circlejerk |
| 05:12.04 | Amarande | I'm guessing it still repeats every time you wipe? |
| 05:12.11 | Mr_Rabies | nah |
| 05:12.12 | Mr_Rabies | only once |
| 05:12.15 | Mr_Rabies | Stormscape is just terrible |
| 05:12.39 | Amarande | yeah, you guys haven't played enough RPGs, if you're complaining about that |
| 05:12.46 | Mr_Rabies | i thought the madness fight was quite cool, it was really unique |
| 05:12.53 | Stormscape | it was also too easy |
| 05:12.55 | Stormscape | Way too easy |
| 05:12.56 | Amarande | remember the good old days when bosses in RPGs were actually often hair-pullingly hard |
| 05:13.07 | Amarande | and on top of that, you had hanging over you the knowledge that every single time you died |
| 05:13.25 | Mr_Rabies | eh, it wasn't easy at launch |
| 05:13.26 | Mr_Rabies | at all |
| 05:13.32 | Amarande | you had five or ten minutes worth of unskippable cutscenes to sit through before you could try it again? :) |
| 05:13.46 | Amarande | and that's on a good day, on a bad day you were half the zone of random encounters away from the nearest save point |
| 05:13.51 | Stormscape | Mr_Rabies, considering you had to kill Spine before you could kill Madness, compared to Spine, Madness was mindblowingly easy |
| 05:14.03 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, heroic spine was harder |
| 05:14.05 | Mr_Rabies | but honestly |
| 05:14.06 | Amarande | and that's on a kinda good day, on a REALLY bad day the game you're playing doesn't let you save in dungeons at all so you have to do the ENTIRE area over again :) |
| 05:14.07 | Mr_Rabies | i'm okay with that |
| 05:14.11 | Stormscape | I'm not. |
| 05:14.24 | Stormscape | The final boss of an expansion should be the hardest boss of the expansion. Period. |
| 05:14.31 | Stormscape | It shouldn't be a loot pinata |
| 05:14.46 | Mr_Rabies | i think a rest after the razorgore level guild destroying insanity that heroic spine was was okay |
| 05:14.59 | Mr_Rabies | or twin emps |
| 05:15.01 | Amarande | (example of the first, most Final Fantasy or Shin Megami Tensei games; example of the second, FF3. I'll be making sure to overpower my characters immensely in FF3, I'm sure, given what I hear that the last dungeon is like.) |
| 05:15.03 | Stormscape | I disagree. They should have made Spine easier and Madness harder. |
| 05:15.11 | Mr_Rabies | perhaps |
| 05:15.25 | Mr_Rabies | on the other hand we never even bothered with heroic ragnaros because we just weren't interested |
| 05:15.27 | Amarande | Storm: actually, it's often been traditional in video games for the penultimate boss or level to be the climax in terms of challenge |
| 05:15.35 | Stormscape | Also, you're the first person I've met who's actually liked Madness. |
| 05:15.41 | Mr_Rabies | what's wrong with it? |
| 05:15.51 | Amarande | e.g., DOOM II, where the peak of difficulty is not the final level 30 (well unless you suck with timing rockets like I do :P) |
| 05:15.54 | Amarande | but level 29 |
| 05:16.01 | Mr_Rabies | i think it could have been shortened a bit |
| 05:16.16 | Mr_Rabies | it really sucks to have a 15 minute fight end up with a wipe at 14:29 |
| 05:16.32 | Amarande | heh, that's also something RPG veterans are used to |
| 05:16.50 | Mr_Rabies | dark souls does that too, Amarande |
| 05:16.50 | Amarande | especially since in classical JRPGs in particular, bosses are well known to get increasingly hard the closer they are to death |
| 05:16.54 | Mr_Rabies | the final boss is nowhere near the hardest |
| 05:17.01 | Mr_Rabies | but it's one of the most breathtaking |
| 05:17.06 | Mr_Rabies | because you're building up, building up |
| 05:17.10 | Amarande | to the point that in some games you practically HAVE TO combo the shit out of bosses from a very high HP vantage point if you want to live |
| 05:17.17 | Amarande | Xenosaga 2 was a good example |
| 05:17.18 | Mr_Rabies | and he's just slightly taller than you, the only boss that can be parried |
| 05:17.23 | Mr_Rabies | and his music is sad piano music |
| 05:17.26 | Mr_Rabies | you're just like |
| 05:17.39 | Mr_Rabies | "man, should i really be killing this guy? did he really set all these actions into motion?" |
| 05:17.50 | Amarande | most of the bosses' low-HP abilities were so brutal that pretty much you either took them in a single combo from >50% HP to nothing, or you got creamed |
| 05:18.01 | Amarande | because the main way of surviving said abilities tended to be not seeing them at all in the first place |
| 05:18.27 | Stormscape | A. it took 17 years per attempt because most of the time you were waiting to DPS, and not actually DPSing. B. the whole platforms mechanic was probably a cool idea on paper, but in game it's poorly executed. C. I'll think of more reasons why Madness was terrible in awhile |
| 05:18.40 | Amarande | OTOH, you had games like FFX, with Seymour third battle |
| 05:18.46 | Amarande | which was, admittedly, one of the more challenging bosses of the storyline |
| 05:18.57 | Mr_Rabies | i really dislike JRPGs that require grinding |
| 05:18.59 | Stormscape | Also, you keep saying RPG, but all you're doing is mentioning JRPGs |
| 05:19.00 | Mr_Rabies | grinding isn't a fun mechanic |
| 05:19.11 | Amarande | but ... their idea of making him harder as the fight went along (which seems to have been the intention) kind of didn't work |
| 05:19.20 | Mr_Rabies | i love how dark souls doesn't benefit from grinding very much at all |
| 05:19.21 | Amarande | in fact, he gets easiest if you bring him down into the Total Annihilation phase as fast as possible |
| 05:19.32 | Mr_Rabies | FF8 had some total bullshit fights |
| 05:19.34 | Mr_Rabies | for real |
| 05:19.38 | Mr_Rabies | like |
| 05:19.44 | Amarande | I think it was meant to be harder when he used TA |
| 05:19.46 | Amarande | but, the thing is this |
| 05:19.46 | Mr_Rabies | fight diablos too late? good fucking luck! |
| 05:19.56 | Amarande | once he gets into P3 and starts to use Total Annihilation |
| 05:19.56 | Stormscape | I don't think I've ever played a JRPG past the character creation screen. |
| 05:20.01 | Mr_Rabies | he will one-shot you past a certain level, because he levels with you! |
| 05:20.02 | Amarande | he doesn't cast Dispel anymore |
| 05:20.18 | Amarande | whereas he does it EVERY attack rotation in P1 and P2, along with an attack that hurts almost as bad |
| 05:20.31 | Mr_Rabies | i do think they should try something else this expansion Stormscape |
| 05:20.33 | Mr_Rabies | and they might be |
| 05:20.42 | Mr_Rabies | start easy, work towards hard |
| 05:20.54 | Stormscape | Yeah maybe we'll get an end boss that's actually hard (Kil'Jaeden comes to mind). |
| 05:20.55 | Mr_Rabies | they haven't really done that since vanilla, and i think it's worth doing again |
| 05:21.00 | Amarande | once you get him below 35k, you can just have Rikku use one of her defensive mixes and TA is a lot of flashy graphics that does maybe 1500 or so to everyone on a bad day |
| 05:21.19 | Mr_Rabies | it doesn't make much sense to release an expansion super hard |
| 05:21.23 | Mr_Rabies | and work towards easier content |
| 05:21.32 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies, OTOH, the high level Diablos has much better draw magic than the lower level ones |
| 05:21.37 | Amarande | which was one of the tradeoffs in FF8 |
| 05:21.49 | Stormscape | Cataclysm was overall a pretty terrible expansion if you were a raider |
| 05:21.52 | Mr_Rabies | i barely remember most of the fight mechanics in FF8 |
| 05:21.56 | Mr_Rabies | i disagree, Stormscape |
| 05:21.59 | Stormscape | It was only good if you liked making altsd. |
| 05:22.03 | Amarande | If you kept your levels down, the monsters stayed easier, but it also took a lot longer to get good magic (and since junctioning good magic was how you got good stats ...) |
| 05:22.13 | Mr_Rabies | i thought it was really great because everyone got to see everything eventually |
| 05:22.21 | Mr_Rabies | they messed up on timetables here and there |
| 05:22.30 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: your stats were primarily based upon what spells you junctioned to them, and how large a stack you had of that spell |
| 05:22.34 | Mr_Rabies | but blizzard doesn't deal with timetables very well |
| 05:22.45 | Stormscape | Mr_Rabies, the entire expansion had 21 raid bosses. |
| 05:22.57 | Stormscape | Not enough content. |
| 05:23.03 | Amarande | spells were mostly obtained by using the "draw" command in battle from mobs. available draw magic was based both on the mob and on its level |
| 05:23.07 | Mr_Rabies | quality, not quantity |
| 05:23.18 | Amarande | you could also get them by refining items and Triple Triad cards, but it usually took a lot of those to get more than a little magc |
| 05:23.18 | Stormscape | Dragon Soul was anything but quality. |
| 05:23.18 | Mr_Rabies | i'd rather 8 good bosses than 16 wastes of time |
| 05:23.30 | Mr_Rabies | i think ulduar could have used a few cuts, personally |
| 05:23.39 | Stormscape | I think Ulduar should have been longer. |
| 05:24.01 | Mr_Rabies | there were several fairly boring fights in ulduar taht could have been axed |
| 05:24.03 | Mr_Rabies | like uh |
| 05:24.07 | Mr_Rabies | fire-belly guy |
| 05:24.10 | Mr_Rabies | nothing interesting there |
| 05:24.43 | Stormscape | They should have added 5 more bosses and split it into 2 raids. |
| 05:24.51 | Mr_Rabies | i wish cata would have had more tiers, but i think each raid was the right size |
| 05:25.07 | Stormscape | Firelands was way too small and makes me glad I skipped that entire tier. |
| 05:25.17 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 05:25.33 | Mr_Rabies | firelands was pretty huge, if you consider all the damned trash |
| 05:26.01 | Mr_Rabies | that was really my biggest gripe with FL |
| 05:26.11 | Stormscape | I liked the amount of trash in Firelands |
| 05:26.18 | Mr_Rabies | it felt like they designed the zone, then had to find a way to fill it, with tons of trash |
| 05:26.21 | Mr_Rabies | why the hell do you like trash |
| 05:26.38 | Mr_Rabies | trash is exactly what's on the label |
| 05:26.48 | Stormscape | Encourages raiders to perform well. "If you don't down this before trash respawns, you have to spend 25 minutes clearing it again." |
| 05:27.10 | Mr_Rabies | or, just calls the raid off for the night, because fuck spending another hour clearing trash |
| 05:27.30 | Mr_Rabies | punishment is not encouragment |
| 05:27.44 | Mr_Rabies | it just wears people out faster |
| 05:27.49 | Stormscape | I liked ICC's level of trash. |
| 05:28.05 | Mr_Rabies | i really hate timed trash the most |
| 05:28.08 | Stormscape | It was a lot, but not too much because it was all aoe gibfests |
| 05:28.12 | Mr_Rabies | like the spider trash |
| 05:28.35 | Mr_Rabies | i really hate the trash before blood trio/blood queen |
| 05:28.37 | Mr_Rabies | actually |
| 05:28.39 | Mr_Rabies | most of the icc trash |
| 05:28.42 | Amarande | blood wing trash? |
| 05:28.42 | Stormscape | Gunship seriously felt like a glorified trash pack though. |
| 05:28.45 | Amarande | that was actually rather fun |
| 05:28.45 | Mr_Rabies | you could have cut out half of it |
| 05:28.58 | Mr_Rabies | and i'd have been 100% okay |
| 05:28.59 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 05:29.01 | Mr_Rabies | 50% okay |
| 05:29.06 | Mr_Rabies | cut out all of it and i'd be 100% okay |
| 05:29.08 | Stormscape | You are literally the only person I've ever met who likes boss hallways with no trash. |
| 05:29.30 | Mr_Rabies | i don't understand what's so interesting about trash |
| 05:29.39 | Mr_Rabies | shadow of the colossus is regarded as one of the best games of all time |
| 05:29.41 | Mr_Rabies | and guess what |
| 05:29.48 | Mr_Rabies | there are no trash enemies, at all |
| 05:29.54 | Mr_Rabies | you literally just fight bosses |
| 05:29.55 | Stormscape | "best game of all time" is subjective. |
| 05:29.57 | Stormscape | I really hated it. |
| 05:30.16 | Mr_Rabies | how can you be so wrong about everything all the time Stormscape |
| 05:30.21 | Mr_Rabies | are you from bizarro universe |
| 05:30.56 | Stormscape | Maybe I was too busy not playing and massaging my hands because console controllers give me terrible hand cramps. |
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| 05:31.11 | Amarande | and yeah, there's plenty of Western RPGs in which the final boss is not the hardest, too |
| 05:31.54 | Amarande | Gold Box and Ultima come to mind |
| 05:32.06 | Amarande | they also come to mind often in particular as games where grinding really doesn't benefit you much, if at all |
| 05:32.41 | Mr_Rabies | do people have crab claws for hands in the universe you come from |
| 05:33.07 | Amarande | especially Gold Box, probably because it was based upon AD&D First Edition, so generally only a few thresholds mattered in the grand balance of stuff |
| 05:33.45 | Amarande | (mostly "fighters get their last extra attack at level 13" and "mages get Tactical Nuclear Holocaust ... er ... Delayed Blast Fireball at level 14") |
| 05:34.06 | Amarande | ahhh, DBF. those were the days |
| 05:34.17 | Amarande | it was almost an I.W.I.N. button in so many battles |
| 05:34.46 | Amarande | then SSI wised up and gave us Dark Queen of Krynn where basically all the mages have stupidly effective fire resistance and THEY cast it |
| 05:39.51 | Amarande | good thing in the Krynn series you usually have a lot of clerics and can memorise lots of Resist Fire |
| 05:42.57 | Amarande | ... wow. how long did I wander around carrying that injured soldier before noticing I was, heh |
| 05:43.52 | tate | "so when is the giveaway ?:D" |
| 05:43.56 | tate | just when i start my stream |
| 05:44.00 | tate | ._. |
| 05:44.05 | Amarande | I picked up an injured sailor in the panda starting quest near the airship wreckage and he despawns |
| 05:44.11 | tate | "but....but.... you are the only viewer!" |
| 05:44.13 | Amarande | so I figure "ok, maybe only some of them can be saved and the others just die on you" |
| 05:44.24 | Amarande | then about a minute later I find I can't click on another one and realise you have to carry them in |
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| 12:22.35 | Stormscape | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utiJ8zGu4Ls Listening to Cthulhu sing isn't normal. But on dubstep it is. |
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| 14:01.32 | eidyia | morning |
| 14:03.37 | sidji | howdy |
| 14:09.13 | eidyia | :) |
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| 14:50.25 | tate | neutronimity: u wanted a tank? |
| 14:51.03 | neutronimity | not now - later :D |
| 14:51.14 | tate | :c |
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| 17:02.28 | JunkHead- | blargh |
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| 17:29.28 | Amarande | ahhh, cracked, the wonderful source of smiles and laughs it's always been |
| 17:29.31 | Amarande | http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/3/3/5/101335_slide.jpg?v=1 ROFL |
| 17:30.12 | Amarande | also, they described a certain game as being "LEGO on meth." Not that I've ever actually tried said game (or maybe I'm just wise enough not to touch it) but from what I hear, it's pretty accurate. (Also, in this particular crowd I probably don't need to actually say what game it is, heh) |
| 17:49.05 | Primar | Lego with pickaxes and FUCK CREEPER SHIT |
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| 17:53.16 | Amarande | And of course the #1 reason why teleportation services may pose a problem if implemented in today's world: http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/4/3/2/432_slide.jpg?v=2 |
| 17:54.53 | hylje_ | also known as therac-20 incident |
| 17:55.20 | deffener | http://www.kuvauppi.fi/l/BD21AF5DD936/imag0226.jpg :/ |
| 17:55.47 | hylje_ | festive |
| 17:57.05 | Amarande | so, what sci-fi movie about a super virulent plague was that one from, deffener? :) |
| 17:57.37 | deffener | Amarande: not sure |
| 17:58.47 | Amarande | (heh, you know you've watched too much sci-fi when you can look at an image like that and immediately place the genre with good confidence :) |
| 17:59.08 | deffener | :D |
| 18:12.26 | kullervo | Amarande: not like that though, there should be an error on BOTH ends seeing how a "copy" would likely be stored until the transfer complete handshake was finished |
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| 18:18.24 | Amarande | heh, yeah, that would probably be a good idea |
| 18:18.51 | Amarande | Of course, that reminds one of the other very simple issue with human teleportation, which is that might not actually be possible (and indeed teleportation may be impossible at all for the same reason) |
| 18:19.13 | Amarande | it's ... somewhat debatable if it's even physically possible to build enough storage to assemble all the data for a single human being that you'd need to remat them |
| 18:19.24 | Amarande | even if you used all the iron on earth, including the core, just to make hard drives |
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| 18:20.04 | Already | In that case: just go without any buffer ... you'll have to be pretty fast though! |
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| 18:21.17 | Already | What's more fascinating about it IMO is the matter of whenever or not "copying" our cells would be enough to recreate our personality. Yes our brain certainly has something to do with it, i'm just not sure if it's everything. |
| 18:28.47 | Amarande | Yeah, you pretty much need to recreate the *exact state* of everything |
| 18:28.57 | Amarande | Which is why there's so damned much data to deal with |
| 18:29.29 | Amarande | If I remember the figures involved, you could make ... I think it's a million or so copies of the entire Internet and then some and still not reach the amount of data a single human being needs to accurately recreate |
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| 18:38.21 | Amarande | hm. better to try to keep your entire battle pet team leveling together, or to level one pet high and then catch up later on the others? |
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| 18:43.04 | eidyia | Amarande: I've been trying to level 1 team together |
| 18:43.14 | eidyia | i'll probably go back and level a second team of 3 then |
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| 18:52.02 | Amarande | heh. just noticed one of the vendor swords is misspelled :) |
| 18:52.12 | Amarande | ... and almost lost major gamer pride points in calling it out |
| 18:52.34 | Amarande | I almost said "It's Espandon not Espadon ... I played D2 and remember Bing Sz Wang well" |
| 18:52.51 | Amarande | ... Bing Sz Wang's not the Espandon though, that's the Dacian Falx. Crainte Vomir's the Espandon. :D |
| 18:53.29 | Amarande | and yes, this is the point where I admit that I wasn't very fond of the risks of Hell farming and usually farmed on Nightmare. LOL |
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| 19:09.02 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] News Round Up: Weapon Enchant Changes, Heart of the Wild, WoWkemon - http://www.wowhead.com/news=207395/news-round-up-weapon-enchant-changes-heart-of-the-wild-wowkemon |
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| 19:36.22 | kullervo | such interesting reading, that bag space thread |
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| 19:46.32 | Amarande | kullervo: there is never enough bag space, this is a hard and fast rule |
| 19:46.51 | Amarande | also, anyone complaining about bag space should go play LOTRO, nao |
| 19:47.12 | Amarande | then come back to WoW having experienced what bag space crunch really is :) |
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| 19:51.51 | eidyia | agree |
| 19:51.56 | eidyia | well, w/ general bag space |
| 19:52.04 | eidyia | i like the idea of quest items not taking up space |
| 19:52.24 | Amarande | yeah, that was a nice thing in LOTRO, quest items gathered attached to your log |
| 19:52.27 | eidyia | and there is a cooking bag coming |
| 19:52.34 | Amarande | also, 40+ quest max in your log |
| 19:52.40 | eidyia | a portable fridge :) |
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| 19:53.02 | Amarande | Of course, now that cata has turned most zones into linear 2-3 quests at a time fests, a large quest log is only really of much use in Outland, Northrend, and Pandaria |
| 19:53.10 | eidyia | http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=92746 |
| 19:53.40 | eidyia | starts at 28 slots, goes to 36 |
| 19:53.44 | eidyia | which is awesome! |
| 19:54.06 | Already | And for someone like me who still has old raid quests open or sometimes keeps quests for over a year. :P I really would like to have more than 25 quests especially since we have that many dailies now. |
| 19:54.25 | Amarande | Pity there's not much reason to have more than a couple slots worth of food anymore :( |
| 19:54.29 | eidyia | yah |
| 19:54.46 | eidyia | i capped out on quests the other week when i started dailies while still finishing up some zone quests |
| 19:55.04 | Amarande | When you're raiding, someone probably provides a feast for you anyway |
| 19:55.05 | eidyia | Amarande: tons of ingredients to now carry around |
| 19:55.07 | Amarande | otherwise, well ... |
| 19:55.24 | eidyia | not that you need them on you all the time, but more that you aren't going to the bank every day after farming |
| 19:55.28 | Amarande | at low levels? a lot of times you don't take enough damage to really need to eat unless you really had a big scrape |
| 19:55.41 | eidyia | nah - i'm talking max lvl |
| 19:55.46 | Amarande | plus, some classes (e.g. demo warlocks, not sure if it's a class-wide feature or just for the spec) have big passive healing |
| 19:55.59 | Already | my 90 bag slots (or so) are mostly occupied by tiller meals and cooking ingredients. :( |
| 19:56.03 | Amarande | and on top of that, in CRZ zones, much of the time you just don't get to eat anyway because the increased population means repops are too fast to have time |
| 19:56.18 | Amarande | at max level? from what I understand, the food bonuses are pretty damn anemic this time |
| 19:56.20 | eidyia | Ditto Already |
| 19:56.38 | Amarande | probably to prevent the panda racial from getting out of hand, but still, it seems pretty iffy if it's worth carrying much buff food on a non-pandaren |
| 19:56.45 | JunkHead- | I don't know how many bag slots I have, but I rarely get full. |
| 19:57.09 | JunkHead- | and when I do, it's because i somehow managed to mine 8 or so stacks or ore. |
| 19:57.36 | Amarande | usually when I get full it means one of two things |
| 19:57.37 | Already | I'm full most of the time. Before panda i was carrying around "good looking gear in case i ever RP". My bank is full of old equip and fun stuff to have. |
| 19:57.55 | Amarande | either it's that time every couple of days when all my auctions just expired and I don't have enough room in my bags to pick up all the non-sells at once |
| 19:57.59 | Already | And my void storage is also almost full. :P |
| 19:58.09 | eidyia | i usually have a PvE set and PvP set going - then a full bag of cooking stuff |
| 19:58.16 | Ward | Horder: Virtual Edition |
| 19:58.21 | Amarande | or I'm questing on an alt and forget to keep an eye on how much inventory space I've used |
| 19:58.23 | Ward | *Hoarders |
| 19:58.40 | Already | Yep Ward, way better than IRL. :P |
| 19:58.50 | Ward | whenever I make an alt the first thing I do is send over 4x 16 slotters |
| 19:58.54 | Amarande | especially now that you don't have the regular trip back to cities every couple levels to train skills, so oftentimes, it can really be a while before you otherwise feel a reason to visit a vendor or mailbox |
| 19:58.56 | eidyia | Ward: That'd be a great FoS: Title: <name> the Hoarder - use all void storage and bank slots |
| 19:58.57 | Ward | I use the traveller´s backpacks |
| 19:59.01 | Ward | they don´t BoP |
| 19:59.07 | Amarande | I try to send 20 or 22 slotters if I can afford it |
| 19:59.12 | Amarande | although occasionally I'll stoop to 16 |
| 19:59.28 | deffener | 4*16 is not enough :( |
| 19:59.29 | eidyia | 16s are great - i pass those around to my alts until they can get upgrades to 20/22 |
| 19:59.30 | Ward | I have the tundra mammoth |
| 19:59.30 | Amarande | 450g for a 22 slotter seems kind of not worth it, though. It's 275 or so for a 20 usually on Ysera |
| 19:59.34 | Ward | so I can sell stuff |
| 19:59.37 | Ward | from level 20 |
| 19:59.43 | JunkHead- | the tundra mammoth helps a lot. |
| 20:00.00 | Amarande | btw, what's pricing like on MoP bags so far? |
| 20:00.06 | Already | i like it that you get a 24 bag in kun-lai |
| 20:00.10 | Amarande | and is there an MoP bag recipe that just takes PLAIN windwool bolts this time? |
| 20:00.29 | eidyia | the gummi bag? |
| 20:00.34 | Already | yep |
| 20:00.37 | Amarande | since really, I'm still convinced the reason there's a massive price spike above 16 slot is because EVERYTHING above that takes imbued rather than regular cloth |
| 20:00.37 | eidyia | that was a sweet surprise! |
| 20:00.59 | Already | I was like "well a white item? ... OH it's a bag! Sweet!" |
| 20:01.06 | Amarande | and the enchant mats needed have gone way up since xmog |
| 20:01.28 | eidyia | totally! |
| 20:01.44 | Amarande | due to the fact that the greens that used to be pretty much nothing but DE fodder have gone up |
| 20:01.53 | Amarande | and skill grinders are probably likely to take mog income into account when choosing what to grind on |
| 20:02.11 | Amarande | (well, unless you have an enchanter you're grinding, in which case you probably are DEing everything off your crafters anyway in order to have a good supply of cheap mats) |
| 20:03.25 | Ward | I mostly make mooncloth bags |
| 20:03.27 | JunkHead- | up until a couple of days ago, I had saved every boe i had found while leveling and doing prfessions. |
| 20:03.28 | Ward | for my alts |
| 20:03.32 | Ward | if I can´t find traveller´s |
| 20:03.33 | JunkHead- | except for one set of shoulders. |
| 20:03.48 | JunkHead- | So one night a friend and i DE'ed 2 gbank tabs of greens. |
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| 20:06.13 | Already | is it possible to make a gbank tab "take only"? |
| 20:07.59 | JunkHead- | i think so |
| 20:08.33 | eidyia | yes |
| 20:08.43 | eidyia | i've been in guilds where there is a deposit-only tab |
| 20:08.47 | eidyia | and the rest were take only |
| 20:10.01 | JunkHead- | looks like i have 104 bag slots |
| 20:10.10 | Ward | yeah we have a deposits tab, a take only tab, a hidden officers tab |
| 20:10.21 | Ward | and a bunch of themed tabs that have limits set |
| 20:10.26 | JunkHead- | 16 + 24 + 22 + 22 + 20 |
| 20:10.37 | Ward | no 28 slotter? |
| 20:10.42 | JunkHead- | nah |
| 20:10.47 | Ward | you get a free 28 slotter from Halfhill quests |
| 20:10.50 | eidyia | what comes in 28? |
| 20:10.51 | Ward | Grummlepack |
| 20:10.53 | eidyia | oh |
| 20:10.55 | eidyia | yah |
| 20:10.59 | JunkHead- | my grummlepack is 24 |
| 20:11.01 | Ward | or was it in Kun´lai? |
| 20:11.03 | JunkHead- | looking at it now |
| 20:11.07 | Ward | odd |
| 20:11.07 | Amarande | yes, withdraw only is allowed |
| 20:11.09 | eidyia | yah - gummy pack is 24 i think |
| 20:11.18 | Ward | thought it was 28 |
| 20:11.21 | JunkHead- | someone said you get one in townlong |
| 20:11.22 | Amarande | in fact, I ended up speaking to my GM today about just that |
| 20:11.23 | Ward | I have 1 28 slotter |
| 20:11.26 | JunkHead- | i havent gotten it yet |
| 20:11.31 | Amarande | due to a misclick, one of our bank tabs had got marked withdraw only in error |
| 20:11.40 | eidyia | royal satchel is 28 |
| 20:11.46 | Ward | I´m my guild´s bank manager |
| 20:11.51 | JunkHead- | slowly doing townlong steppes now |
| 20:11.53 | eidyia | or illusionary |
| 20:11.56 | Ward | I don´t have a royal satchell |
| 20:11.57 | Ward | yet |
| 20:12.03 | eidyia | wait - illusionary is 26 |
| 20:12.09 | eidyia | ward: what do you have that's 28? |
| 20:12.13 | Ward | ok now I´m logging in and checking |
| 20:12.14 | eidyia | aside from a crafting bag |
| 20:13.07 | eidyia | takes 96 rolls of wool cloth |
| 20:13.13 | eidyia | *bolts |
| 20:13.17 | Ward | I was mistaken |
| 20:13.21 | Ward | it´s 26 |
| 20:13.22 | Ward | not 28 |
| 20:13.35 | eidyia | that's 480 wind wool cloth for the 28 slot royal satchel |
| 20:13.59 | Ward | plus more than a week´s worth of cooldowns |
| 20:14.05 | Ward | or a fuckton of Spirits |
| 20:14.10 | Already | thanks for the gtab info. In that case maybe i should suggest to have an "incoming" tab and 1-2 ppl keeping some kind of organization in the rest of the gbank. |
| 20:14.17 | Ward | I have an illusionary ba |
| 20:14.19 | Ward | 26 slots |
| 20:14.21 | eidyia | no spirits :) |
| 20:14.39 | Ward | I just sort the gbank once per day |
| 20:14.49 | Ward | but I enjoy sorting |
| 20:14.59 | hylje_ | are you an algorithm |
| 20:15.05 | eidyia | i like sorting too - hence why i don't use a bag add-on :) |
| 20:15.11 | Ward | bag addons are lame |
| 20:15.16 | Ward | each bag has a purpose |
| 20:15.28 | Ward | I sort while I fly from point to point |
| 20:15.37 | eidyia | yah! |
| 20:15.41 | JunkHead- | i use bagnon |
| 20:15.41 | eidyia | Ward for President! |
| 20:15.42 | Ward | sorting loot gives me something to do while doing dungeons |
| 20:15.45 | JunkHead- | but no auto sorting |
| 20:15.52 | JunkHead- | i just hate the multiple bags |
| 20:15.57 | JunkHead- | i prefer one big bag |
| 20:15.58 | Already | i like bagnon to have a unified view. I just sort things the way i like it, sometimes using greens or blues to mark "special" areas. XD |
| 20:16.55 | Ward | on my main I have a 26 slotter, 3x 24 slotters and the crappy 16 slot default bag |
| 20:17.01 | Ward | which I could swop the default bag |
| 20:17.20 | Ward | wish |
| 20:17.43 | Already | I think my most expensive bag still is the one from BC ... and it's still one of the bigger ones i have. |
| 20:18.07 | Amarande | are there still buggy quests etc. where things fail if a certain item is in a bag and not the default backpack? |
| 20:18.12 | eidyia | portable hole :) |
| 20:18.24 | Already | I never had that happen |
| 20:18.58 | Ward | me neither |
| 20:19.03 | Already | But there are still quests which leave a item behind that doesn't have any purpose at all. :/ |
| 20:19.09 | Ward | yeah |
| 20:19.37 | Already | "WTF does that quest item do?" ... *check wowhead* *trash* |
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| 20:26.45 | Mr_Rabies | <Ward> which I could swop the default bag |
| 20:26.52 | Mr_Rabies | the default bag isn't a bag, it's your inventory |
| 20:27.03 | Mr_Rabies | this is why they haven't really been able to do much with the backpack |
| 20:27.15 | Mr_Rabies | before bags were added in alpha, your inventory was 16 slots |
| 20:27.21 | Mr_Rabies | that was it |
| 20:27.31 | Mr_Rabies | and that same codebase is still in use today for the inventory |
| 20:28.05 | Mr_Rabies | bags and the default backpack are treated quite differently behind the scenes |
| 20:28.59 | eidyia | who knows what changing that code would break |
| 20:29.20 | eidyia | everyone always keeps their hearthstone in that bag - and that could remove all hearthstones from the game by mistake |
| 20:29.26 | JunkHead- | these disconnects are just insane |
| 20:38.05 | Ward | I keep my HS in the far left bag |
| 20:38.10 | Ward | with all the clickables and consumables |
| 20:40.03 | eidyia | yah - that's wrong |
| 20:40.30 | eidyia | clearly the best spot is the right back for clicking, left bag for consumables |
| 20:42.08 | eidyia | hey |
| 20:42.16 | eidyia | anyone have a razor naga mouse? |
| 20:42.54 | Amarande | I always put my HS on the lower right corner button of my action bar array |
| 20:44.14 | Ward | I always have teleports on bar 2 |
| 20:44.23 | Ward | HS, items |
| 20:44.23 | Amarande | http://www.lunasanguine.com/gallery3/index.php/Screenshots/World-of-Warcraft/WoWScrnShot_100412_205028 <--- my typical UI |
| 20:44.50 | eidyia | are you an ally? |
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| 20:47.37 | Mr_Rabies | i delete my hearthstone, because i have the innkeeper's daughter |
| 20:48.44 | Elysa | I do the same |
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| 20:49.09 | Elysa | everytime I reset my home, though, the innkeeper gives me a new hearthstone |
| 20:50.57 | Amarande | yup, I'm Alliance |
| 20:51.24 | Amarande | as for the unknowns, that appears to have been a strange phasing glitch that I wasn't able to figure out the cause of, but reset itself when I logged back in |
| 20:51.24 | eidyia | Mr_Rabies: isn't that the same as having a hearth in your bag? |
| 20:51.36 | eidyia | not sure i see the advantage aside from "looks different in my bag" |
| 20:51.57 | Mr_Rabies | sometimes the spirit of the innkeeper's daughter shows up for a few seconds! |
| 20:52.04 | Amarande | aaaand once again I get sucked into way too many games of zilch in a row |
| 20:52.09 | Amarande | blasted addictive dice :) |
| 20:56.28 | g0urra | mogu'shan vaults cleared |
| 20:56.30 | g0urra | ^____^ |
| 20:56.41 | Amarande | any good loot? |
| 20:56.47 | g0urra | healer trinket |
| 20:56.49 | g0urra | plate dps leggings |
| 20:57.03 | Amarande | remember now: there are ten people in a 10-man raid and there are eleven classes in WoW |
| 20:57.25 | Amarande | If you should try to bring one each of ten different classes, the game *will* probably decide to say fuck you and drop gear preferentially for the 11th. :) |
| 20:58.00 | Ward | in a 10 man you can make a setup where every item is useful |
| 20:58.09 | Ward | just make sure you bring plenty of paladins, shamans and druids |
| 20:58.17 | Elysa | I'm a shaman! |
| 20:58.19 | Elysa | Bring me! |
| 20:58.23 | Ward | I´m a druid :p |
| 20:58.38 | Ward | and priest and mage for the cloth! |
| 20:58.49 | Ward | priest mage, 2 druids, 2 paladins, 2 shamans |
| 20:58.52 | Ward | perfect setup :p |
| 20:59.33 | Amarande | yeah, don't do what our guild did in ICC |
| 21:00.04 | Amarande | which was practically never bring a hunter, and shaman was almost as rare apart from this one lady from another guild who would join us on an irregular basis |
| 21:00.04 | Elysa | 10 druid |
| 21:00.06 | Elysa | s |
| 21:00.22 | Elysa | Amarande: and you got all mail gear |
| 21:00.23 | Amarande | ... and naturally the drop rate of ranged weapons and mail armour spiked right up |
| 21:01.21 | JunkHead- | man... townlong steppes sucks.:\ |
| 21:02.04 | Amarande | eh. can't be as bad as some places |
| 21:02.28 | Amarande | like that quest in northern stranglethorn where you have to be a raptor escaping ZG |
| 21:02.42 | Amarande | which ... had potential, it seems like it would have been a lot more fun if I was actually any good at platformers |
| 21:02.57 | Amarande | but instead proved rather exasperating |
| 21:03.27 | Amarande | at least I had read up on it on wowhead so I didn't get caught by that one bastard of a problem with the quest text |
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| 21:20.41 | Already | Awww man i can't decide whenever not to start looking for a raid guild -.-" |
| 21:35.29 | fewyn | i've got to say plate leveling gear is fugly (mop) |
| 21:46.11 | Already | i've to say sometimes it seems unfair what a plate wearer can take on while leveling compared to a cloth wearer |
| 21:48.28 | Already | Grrrr those "occupied soils" are such a nusiance. |
| 21:48.51 | Amarande | Already: and then you play a warrior and realise how squishy heavy armour wearers really are |
| 21:49.32 | Already | I really wish that "pest repeller" would work against that vermin instead of "infested" stuff. |
| 21:49.34 | Amarande | Or a mage |
| 21:49.44 | Amarande | Once you hit 30 as a mage, you're basically in like Flint until you hit the Cata levels |
| 21:50.01 | Amarande | since the mobs in that level range just don't have the DPS to break through Ice Barrier fast enough to be a threat unless you REALLY overpull |
| 21:50.28 | Amarande | of course, then you hit the Cata levels and find yourself in a world of pain because those mobs actually DO have the damage output ... LOL |
| 21:57.19 | Already | I usually don't play melee classes so i don't know the feeling of it but if i watch pallies level it's just "wtf". |
| 21:57.28 | Already | at least sometimes. as well as DKs |
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| 21:59.07 | Amarande | Already: keep in mind that pallies and DKs also are tank classes |
| 21:59.26 | Amarande | and thus also tend to level with greater rapidity due to quick dungeon queues and the concentrated doses of XP dungeons give |
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| 22:04.22 | Still | Oh i don't mean the speed with which they advanced. Just the number of mobs they can pull before it's an "overpull" for them. :) And yes ofc they are tanks so its fine ... i'm just getting envious fromt ime to time. |
| 22:05.33 | Still | Hmmm I'm able to hit the SimulationCraft "target" on a dummy. I guess i'm getting better. Next: Check DPS in 5man |
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| 22:14.30 | Amarande | But yeah, if you want that feeling of comfort on a cloth wearer, play a mage and take Ice Barrier at 30 and you won't have to worry till you hit Vashj'ir or Hyjal |
| 22:14.39 | Amarande | unless you really try pulling a billion mobs at once |
| 22:15.02 | Amarande | well, depending on the mobs. at 85 you can put up Ice Barrier and pull entire instance rooms without taking a scratch :) |
| 22:15.09 | Amarande | if they're classic instances |
| 22:15.25 | Still | Is the glyph of clash for a monk useful in any way? |
| 22:15.33 | Still | So i probably should level my mage |
| 22:15.44 | Still | might be worth to level my horde mage ... |
| 22:21.11 | neutronimity | http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/325366.jpg |
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| 22:22.39 | fewyn | ding 89 (dk alt) |
| 22:22.44 | raspy | wewt |
| 22:24.10 | Still | leveling alts is like "welcome to WOTLK" *walks away* :X |
| 22:24.26 | Still | Ice cold killer tree neutronimity! |
| 22:24.47 | fewyn | http://www.wowhead.com/user=fewyn#characters:0-8-11 |
| 22:25.05 | neutronimity | tate, your tank is lvl ~75? |
| 22:26.44 | tate | neutronimity: 76 |
| 22:26.51 | neutronimity | so is my druid |
| 22:26.52 | fewyn | got to love seeing all these corpses while questing in kun-lai |
| 22:27.14 | tate | yayy |
| 22:27.16 | neutronimity | want to chain-pull a couple specific dungeons? excluding violet & halls of stone? |
| 22:27.25 | tate | i'm streaming some d3 hc at the moment |
| 22:27.38 | neutronimity | :/ |
| 22:27.51 | neutronimity | i#m writing a mail atm also, done in few mins |
| 22:28.24 | tate | i dno when i'm done :( |
| 22:28.33 | fewyn | i can't decide which title to use on my dk |
| 22:28.33 | neutronimity | aw :( |
| 22:28.40 | fewyn | i've got so many! |
| 22:28.45 | neutronimity | i go plain title fewyn |
| 22:28.51 | neutronimity | it makes me special |
| 22:29.00 | neutronimity | well .. no title |
| 22:29.08 | fewyn | Bane of the Fallen King maybe? |
| 22:29.16 | fewyn | Fawyn, Bane of the Fallen King |
| 22:29.24 | neutronimity | well i could pick one but I like being simple and minimalistic |
| 22:29.46 | neutronimity | any of the pvp titles maybe? :p |
| 22:30.21 | fewyn | no because those are per-character |
| 22:30.39 | neutronimity | yeah well, start earning them! |
| 22:30.47 | fewyn | no thanks |
| 22:30.52 | fewyn | http://www.wowhead.com/user=fewyn#characters:0-8-11 |
| 22:31.00 | fewyn | i have enough characters to level without thinking of pvp |
| 22:32.55 | Amarande | ... yay that would have been a fun way to die |
| 22:33.21 | Amarande | did visions of the past and almost forgot I was in an instance and proooooooooobably shouldn't keep going further alone, LOL |
| 22:34.40 | Still | "Privat" is a good title. ;) |
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| 22:40.21 | Still | I wonder why every sword and every bullet in movies seems to have an insta killing poison. I want that for my hunter as well. :/ |
| 22:40.58 | neutronimity | OK - lvl 76 druid looking to chain-run WotLK dungeons. EU, Alliance side. |
| 22:43.16 | Still | i'm off to bed. Gn8 everyone. :) |
| 22:43.17 | fewyn | [Grummlepack] best reward of mop |
| 22:43.26 | Still | yep |
| 22:46.04 | tate | neutronimity: nao? |
| 22:46.08 | tate | we are done soon |
| 22:46.10 | neutronimity | yep |
| 22:46.15 | neutronimity | aah uhm |
| 22:46.31 | neutronimity | i'd like to be in bed before 1.30 or something |
| 22:46.37 | neutronimity | 0.46 no |
| 22:46.38 | neutronimity | w |
| 22:46.47 | tate | ugh |
| 22:46.58 | tate | and ur time is wut? |
| 22:47.21 | tate | ah nvm |
| 22:47.23 | tate | kk :D |
| 22:48.55 | tate | tbh i don't have a fucking clue how to play warrior on this patch |
| 22:50.22 | tate | tate#2124 when ready :P |
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| 23:03.09 | neutronimity | Sorry |
| 23:03.12 | neutronimity | Didn't notice |
| 23:03.19 | tate | np still figuring out how the fuck play this |
| 23:03.22 | neutronimity | Also battle-net bugged out, need to restart WoW |
| 23:03.37 | neutronimity | What I know is |
| 23:04.04 | neutronimity | Charge to initiate |
| 23:04.15 | tate | thunder clap, cleave, wait for procs |
| 23:04.19 | tate | spam everything and win |
| 23:04.19 | neutronimity | Thunder Clap to refresh debuff, and initiate initial group aggro |
| 23:04.24 | tate | yeap |
| 23:04.29 | neutronimity | I often spam TC |
| 23:04.29 | tate | there's just so many new things |
| 23:04.41 | neutronimity | Then use Shield Slam whenever available |
| 23:04.53 | neutronimity | Then use Revenge whenever available |
| 23:05.02 | neutronimity | Then Devastate all the time |
| 23:05.20 | tate | yup |
| 23:05.22 | tate | same as i thought |
| 23:05.23 | neutronimity | I macroed Heroic Strike and Revenge together, for extra dps |
| 23:05.25 | tate | kinda |
| 23:05.27 | neutronimity | But that may not be for you |
| 23:05.44 | neutronimity | Heroic Strike is GCD-less |
| 23:06.03 | neutronimity | Also |
| 23:06.07 | neutronimity | Warrior mobility |
| 23:06.10 | neutronimity | is amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:06.23 | tate | i guess im ok :D |
| 23:06.30 | tate | missing one trinket, hm |
| 23:07.28 | tate | oh well. just add me when you are ready |
| 23:07.30 | tate | let's try :D |
| 23:07.55 | neutronimity | Waiting for WoW |
| 23:13.11 | neutronimity | Hmm |
| 23:13.23 | neutronimity | Looking for lvl ~75 dps, EU, alliance side |
| 23:13.27 | neutronimity | 3 slots free |
| 23:14.10 | neutronimity | Ah, dungeon came. |
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