| 00:00.49 | Amarande | while HC will have both the shying away from PvP that it had in D2 (basically, apart from griefing and purpose-built PvP characters, PvP was not exactly a favourite of HC players, for obvious reasons), and no advantage to the rich because there's no RMAH |
| 00:04.21 | Amarande | besides, given the Diablo series' obvious ancestry in roguelikes, one might argue that hardcore is the only real way to play anyway :) |
| 00:04.51 | Amarande | if you created "softcore mode" for Angband or Moria or Nethack or such, people would most likely just laugh in your face after all |
| 00:05.22 | jane | how hard is i can't hear you over the sound of how awesome i am? |
| 00:07.05 | Stormscape | Pretty hard |
| 00:07.20 | jane | any word on if it's going away with mop? |
| 00:08.43 | jane | doing sinestra today or tomorrow but i doubt we'll have any chance at that, too many people haven't ever seen the fight |
| 00:09.44 | jane | ah fuck, its been too long since i did any heroic t11 |
| 00:09.58 | Amarande | I haven't heard of any of the Cata raid achievements being removed |
| 00:10.12 | Amarande | I think the last time they removed raid achievements was a few LK ones like Immortal/Undying? |
| 00:10.25 | jane | i can't hear you is like those achievements |
| 00:10.33 | jane | kill sinestra without anyone in raid dying on the first attempt |
| 00:10.45 | Amarande | Given that they don't even seem inclined to remove things like the Frostbrood Vanquishers, I'm not sure they're taking any of the Cata ones out |
| 00:10.52 | Amarande | Actually, you know what they really should do with it |
| 00:10.58 | jane | it's a FoS right now |
| 00:11.12 | jane | but it's not like herald, which is still doable...you just need to outgear it to faceroll it eventually, just like immortal/undying |
| 00:11.14 | Amarande | Since they're putting in dynamic instance-based scaling with the challenge modes, they should leave it and even bring back the old Immortal and Undying achievements |
| 00:11.16 | Amarande | since, well |
| 00:11.33 | Amarande | they could just have your characters dynamically powered down so that the challenge is what it was |
| 00:11.40 | jane | or they could just change it like herald |
| 00:11.52 | jane | to make it like herald, that is |
| 00:11.53 | Amarande | hell, FFXI has done that for years if I recall |
| 00:11.58 | jane | i feel like it's going away in MoP :/ |
| 00:12.12 | Amarande | all their Burning Circle Notorious Monster fights have some kind of level cap that your character is automatically reduced to for the battle if they are higher |
| 00:12.14 | jane | never got a group to go for it until now, and openraid is full of idiots that are like lol you musth ave this to go |
| 00:12.27 | jane | just like firelord |
| 00:12.38 | jane | okay fucking call it a mount farm, not "heroic rag must have heroic rag kill" |
| 00:12.43 | Amarande | heh, good old lame-o "link cheeve & GS" like from ICC days? |
| 00:13.08 | jane | it's not my fault my guild doesnt want to do heroic rag |
| 00:13.12 | Amarande | after it taking me weeks to get a LK raid back in those days because of the damned GS thing |
| 00:13.39 | jane | i have almost all BiS gear, and my first firelord kill I two healed it with a dumbass healer that kept dying |
| 00:13.47 | jane | it wasnt even that |
| 00:13.53 | Amarande | I found myself particularly glad that Ten Ton Hammer/Master Games Int'l/World of Addons got its community reputation lowered all the way to hated by pulling that addon theft BS |
| 00:14.15 | Amarande | especially given that it was addons they were stealing, I'm kind of hoping that means that they're hated enough that GS/PS will die for good :P |
| 00:14.24 | jane | and when i did attempts with my guild it was people cant even fucking dps adds |
| 00:14.29 | jane | sooooooo as a healer that's my problem >< |
| 00:15.58 | jane | well at least I don't have my LFR ring anymore. 1 week before MoP. |
| 00:16.19 | jane | I was screaming in mumble last night when that dropped |
| 00:16.27 | jane | we've seen more heroic rings in alt runs than in the 25 main |
| 00:17.30 | Amarande | ah, you're one of the few remaining folks who still does 25's |
| 00:17.55 | Amarande | looking at the AMA and comments and such and just thinking about it, it seems like 1) Blizzard has not really managed to save 25's, but 2) it's not really possible |
| 00:18.00 | Stormscape | 10 mans are wannabe raids |
| 00:18.12 | jane | I only want to do 25s |
| 00:18.24 | Amarande | basically, you either reward people for playing World of Management, or you let 25's die and make 10's the standard, it seems :S |
| 00:18.27 | jane | the day blizz really fucks 25 i'll stop playing wow |
| 00:18.30 | Amarande | and really, who wants to play World of Management? |
| 00:18.35 | Stormscape | yeah I'd rather not play WoW |
| 00:18.38 | Stormscape | than raid 10s only |
| 00:18.40 | jane | yeah |
| 00:18.49 | Stormscape | 10s are the worst thing that's ever happened to WoW |
| 00:18.53 | Stormscape | worse than DKs |
| 00:18.54 | jane | i only do 10s cause there's only 10-15 capable people in the guild that show up for alt runs |
| 00:18.58 | jane | just so we dont have to do lfr |
| 00:19.00 | jane | that's it. |
| 00:19.18 | jane | i don't think it's horrible, it's just not my idea of fun |
| 00:19.25 | Amarande | 10's make for more time spent playing and less time spent administrating |
| 00:19.33 | Stormscape | 10s make for a shitty unfun game |
| 00:19.38 | jane | if you want to do any progression you have to be a lot more competent and play whatever is best, rather than whatever you wnt |
| 00:19.43 | Amarande | 10's also are more fun for the people who show up early like the raid leader told them to |
| 00:20.05 | Stormscape | 10s also offer 0 challenge |
| 00:20.10 | jane | in 25s you can play a frost mage and nobody gives a fuck as long as you don't fuck us for dps races |
| 00:20.14 | Amarande | because, invariably, isn't reality that only a few people actually show up 15 minutes early like the guild note tells them to, and the rest filter in in the next 15-20 minutes or so so you end up starting your :00 raid at :05? :) |
| 00:20.25 | jane | and you can not show up one night with advance notice and it doesnt fuck over the rest of the raid |
| 00:20.28 | Stormscape | oh no, you started 5 minutes late |
| 00:20.33 | Stormscape | clearly the world is going to end |
| 00:20.35 | Stormscape | jesus fucking christ |
| 00:20.47 | Amarande | Storm: I'm more thinking about the experience of the people who got there at the appointed time for invites |
| 00:20.48 | jane | if you run a good 25s raid, people will show up on time |
| 00:20.58 | Amarande | they get to sit there for longer while you wait for 15 more people than the 10-man raid had |
| 00:21.00 | Stormscape | If you run a good 25 raid, you don't need 25 people there to kill stuff |
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| 00:21.16 | jane | Amarande: i've never had that problem except on patch day |
| 00:21.18 | Amarande | but the thing is, you really can't do much of anything else *besides* wait |
| 00:21.24 | jane | or unless the guild as a whole is falling apart |
| 00:21.26 | Amarande | and maybe manage your AH stuff |
| 00:21.31 | jane | but that can happen with 10s too |
| 00:21.38 | Amarande | since you can't really do any quests while you wait due to being in a raid group so you don't get credit for anything |
| 00:21.39 | Stormscape | If your guild is incapable of killing trash and farm content without a full 25 people, you need a better guild |
| 00:22.01 | jane | it's really not that big of a deal. |
| 00:22.09 | Amarande | actually, that's something I would like to see Blizz change |
| 00:22.19 | Stormscape | In ICC25 Heroics, I don't think there's a single boss we ever cleared with 25 people |
| 00:22.21 | jane | we basically 24 manned our first h spine/madness kill |
| 00:22.21 | Amarande | not only because of that, but because it's one of the more commonly reported "is this quest bugged?" circumstances |
| 00:22.30 | Stormscape | because it was easier to just kill stuff than to wait around |
| 00:22.36 | jane | and that was a bitch |
| 00:22.49 | Stormscape | we 20 manned Heroic Deathwhisper25 |
| 00:22.53 | jane | we probably could have 20 manned i t |
| 00:22.53 | Amarande | specifically, I would suggest it should be you only are ineligible for quest credits while in a raid, if other members of the raid group are in the same zone |
| 00:22.55 | Stormscape | because we couldn't find 5 more competent people |
| 00:22.57 | jane | we had a bunch of idiots |
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| 00:23.07 | Amarande | if no one else from group is in the zone with you, just count quest credits as if you were solo |
| 00:23.17 | jane | is it really that big of a deal/ cause ive done shit by accident but its never been a problem |
| 00:23.20 | Stormscape | jane, if your guild can't 20 man a 25 man raid, you're either on cutting edge content, or bad players |
| 00:23.25 | jane | like zomg i cut one nightstone in raid, the world is gonna end |
| 00:23.46 | jane | Stormscape: we can easily 20 man it now, but this was like at 20? 25% nerf with some non-mains |
| 00:23.59 | jane | it was progression for us |
| 00:24.00 | Amarande | jane: there's actually quite a lot of "this quest seems to be bugged" / "were you in a raid group?" comment pairs on wowhead, to my recollection |
| 00:24.12 | Stormscape | yeah in ICC25H, we'd start trash sometimes 30 minutes before raid |
| 00:24.15 | jane | non mains and some awful mains |
| 00:24.18 | Stormscape | we'd just start killing stuff cause we were bored |
| 00:24.29 | jane | like still to this day some guildies only pull like 10k hps on h spine |
| 00:24.37 | Stormscape | wat |
| 00:24.37 | Stormscape | how |
| 00:24.47 | jane | they're told they have to improve or lose their raid spot in mists :D |
| 00:24.49 | jane | :D :D :D:D |
| 00:25.00 | jane | i have no idea. |
| 00:25.03 | Stormscape | This is my guild on Heroic Spine10: Everybody stands around while the 2 tanks solo the adds |
| 00:25.07 | Stormscape | then we blow all our CDs for tendon |
| 00:25.15 | Stormscape | SO HARD LOL |
| 00:25.18 | jane | last night i was doing alt run with a bad comp and we were doing 25k each in 10s and dispelling |
| 00:25.19 | Amarande | people monitor healer meters? |
| 00:25.28 | Amarande | healer meters seems like it's the most irrelevant thing of all |
| 00:25.30 | jane | Amarande: of course i do |
| 00:25.31 | jane | i'm a healer |
| 00:25.43 | Amarande | are you dying? your healers may not be pulling their weight. are you surviving? your healers are fine |
| 00:25.45 | jane | it's not pure numbers, its also what you're healing (are you healing your assignment) and overheals+oom (you suck).. |
| 00:25.48 | jane | no. |
| 00:25.51 | jane | please. that is the worst misconception ever. |
| 00:25.57 | jane | i am fucking tired of carrying bad healers in our raids |
| 00:26.01 | jane | we ran 8 healers once for a raid |
| 00:26.14 | jane | someone is fucking carrying someone else, even if nobody dies |
| 00:26.21 | Stormscape | Amarande, that's a common falsehood which is very rarely true |
| 00:26.29 | Stormscape | it's easy for 2 good healers to carry 4-6 bad healers |
| 00:26.31 | jane | like why the fuck are the two resto shaman doing 30k+ hps on h spine and others not even casting heals for 10 seconds at a time |
| 00:26.34 | Amarande | Well, let's see |
| 00:26.36 | jane | with EIGHT healers |
| 00:26.46 | jane | i watched some of these fuckers not cast anything |
| 00:26.47 | jane | mana at full |
| 00:26.49 | jane | fuck that shit |
| 00:26.56 | Amarande | Raw TPS figures are important, because tank TPS (or would if it wasn't so inflated by easymode nerfs) effectively serves as a cap on how much DPS any of your DPS are able to pull |
| 00:26.58 | jane | I'm not there to blow all my cooldowns and pot all the time |
| 00:27.10 | jane | and because i do, we get fucked if something goes wrong |
| 00:27.17 | Amarande | Raw DPS figures are important, because if your DPS isn't good enough you're not going to meet the enrage timer/will get overwhelmed by the constant spawn adds depending on the fight |
| 00:27.18 | jane | cause oh that spirit link we expected? nope had to use it cause nobody was healing |
| 00:27.40 | Amarande | but raw HPS figures ... yeah, I get the frustration of healers feeling like they have to overwork themselves because others aren't pulling their full weight |
| 00:27.40 | jane | Amarande: roll a healer and please pug a raid on my server |
| 00:27.44 | jane | people get carried all the time |
| 00:27.49 | Amarande | but, raw HPS figures ultimately only affect the result if people were dying |
| 00:27.52 | jane | tehre is no reason a disc priest is solo healing ultraxion |
| 00:28.05 | jane | i didn't even want to. the other 397+ healer was doing jack shit |
| 00:28.12 | jane | that kind of shit can suck it |
| 00:28.24 | jane | there's a lot more to it than raw hps |
| 00:28.48 | jane | like oh yeah i saw another disc priest doing ok healing. except he was overhealing like 60% and using flash heal. as disc. |
| 00:28.54 | jane | power word shield didnt even factor into his healing done |
| 00:28.57 | jane | or PoH/DA |
| 00:28.59 | jane | really? |
| 00:29.00 | Stormscape | Amarande, I would absolutely instantly boot a healer who isn't doing anything to prove he deserves to be there |
| 00:29.01 | jane | fucking really? |
| 00:29.03 | Stormscape | Not healing = boot |
| 00:29.34 | jane | while i enjoy having a challenge once in a while, it is not in the form of running 8 healers and having 2 doing over 50% of the healing on a fight |
| 00:29.41 | jane | and having the blood dk outhealing healers |
| 00:30.19 | jane | and the really unfortunate thing about this is that my heal lead thinks exactly what you do |
| 00:30.22 | jane | and it means i burn out |
| 00:30.28 | Amarande | Well ... healer performance seems like it's probably pretty hard to by-the-numbers measure, depending on how your healers are assigned, too |
| 00:30.37 | jane | no it's not. it really isn't. |
| 00:30.40 | Amarande | Unless you're counting overhealing (and then you're encouraging overhealing) |
| 00:30.42 | jane | i don't even look at pure hps most days |
| 00:30.49 | Stormscape | There is no reason except on specific fights to ever assign healers to specific people |
| 00:30.55 | Stormscape | unless your healers are pants on head retarded |
| 00:30.56 | Amarande | isn't it heavily dependent on how much incoming DPS raid members suffer over the course of a given attempt? |
| 00:30.57 | jane | i look at things like buff uptimes and spell breakdown |
| 00:31.00 | jane | yes |
| 00:31.05 | jane | so we'll never really do anything when it comes to _ranking_ |
| 00:31.12 | jane | but if you're good, you won't be fucking flash healing 90% of your healing as disc |
| 00:31.37 | jane | nor put your beacon on a dps member instead of the tank taking a truckload of damage |
| 00:31.38 | Amarande | heh, not in the least because if you flash heal 90% of your healing, you're probably out of mana in an eyeblink :P |
| 00:31.48 | jane | which means other healers have to carry you, exactly |
| 00:32.10 | jane | Stormscape: oh wanna know what my heal lead does? assign people to groups |
| 00:32.19 | Stormscape | Is he actually retarded? |
| 00:32.22 | Stormscape | Like does he have downs? |
| 00:32.23 | jane | she got mad one day when a paladin told her that she's basically the only one (the only priest) that has a group heal |
| 00:32.31 | jane | that everyone else has no such thing |
| 00:32.35 | Amarande | I'm also noting here a huge difference between 10 and 25 |
| 00:32.37 | jane | and that group healing fucks individual healers over anyway |
| 00:32.53 | Stormscape | jane, get all your other healers together, tell them to ignore her |
| 00:32.57 | jane | what happens if 4-5 people in your group have searing plasma on h spine? you really gonna be the only person healing that? rofl |
| 00:32.57 | Amarande | 25 would seem to require a lot more ... *management* |
| 00:33.01 | Stormscape | just tell them to nod and ignore everything she says |
| 00:33.05 | jane | Stormscape: everyone else kinda does, and just pretends to follow along ;) |
| 00:33.06 | Amarande | as in departmentalisation and such like you would in a company |
| 00:33.08 | Stormscape | she's the pointy haired boss from Dilbert |
| 00:33.19 | jane | only when that paladin is in group that she points out we have to group heal |
| 00:33.19 | Stormscape | Ama, only if your raiders are bad |
| 00:33.21 | jane | and im just like lol ok |
| 00:33.25 | jane | im gonna fix my healing rain to heal only my group |
| 00:33.32 | jane | Stormscape: one day that paladin and i decided to heal only our groups |
| 00:33.36 | jane | we typically top the meters |
| 00:33.38 | jane | the raid almost wiped |
| 00:33.42 | Stormscape | LOL |
| 00:33.51 | jane | >:D |
| 00:34.07 | jane | just like group 2 and group 5 were 100% |
| 00:34.10 | Stormscape | Well I would love to stay and explain to Ama more why 25 mans are easy and people who don't do them just make up excuses for having bad computers BUT I have to go to work |
| 00:34.11 | Stormscape | ta ta |
| 00:34.12 | jane | the tanks and 3-4 were almost dead |
| 00:34.32 | Amarande | 10, well, we got through ICC10 and we got through 10 out of 12 hardmodes in just the two months or so before cata came out, and we didn't really need any such constructs as specific people assigned as "heal lead" "DPS lead" etc. to do it |
| 00:34.45 | jane | well its less of a management thing in 10s |
| 00:34.49 | Amarande | I think we would have got Sindy and LK in a couple more weeks too, we just never got those couple more weeks because we started too late and Cata came out |
| 00:34.52 | jane | but you need a good comp to have an easier time |
| 00:34.52 | Stormscape | Ama, you don't in 25s either |
| 00:34.56 | Stormscape | people THINK you do |
| 00:34.58 | Stormscape | you don't |
| 00:34.59 | jane | you dont have to in 25s |
| 00:35.03 | jane | its just easier to |
| 00:35.03 | Stormscape | it's a holdover from 40 mans |
| 00:35.11 | jane | so one person doesnt have to manage 24 other people |
| 00:35.16 | Amarande | yeah, I'd hate to think of what it was like to lead raids in 40's |
| 00:35.22 | Amarande | 40's are dead for a good reason |
| 00:35.32 | Stormscape | you didn't lead raids in 40s. You led 3 people who led the raid |
| 00:35.52 | jane | Amarande: have you done h blackhorn? |
| 00:35.59 | Amarande | Heh. They're called 40s because from what it looks like, you needed a lot of 40s to keep your sanity during managing them :) Right? |
| 00:36.03 | jane | that fight in particular i really dislike on 10 man |
| 00:36.06 | Amarande | Nope. I didn't really raid much at all during Cata |
| 00:36.27 | Amarande | As a general fact of life I tend to end up reading up on raid mechanics more than I actually get to do raids |
| 00:36.29 | jane | alt runs were for us to goof around |
| 00:36.34 | jane | that raid keeps fucking us if we dont have ranged |
| 00:36.35 | Stormscape | You told the main tank what to do, and he told all the other tanks. You told the ranged DPS leader and the melee DPS leader what to do. and you told the healers to "not suck" |
| 00:36.39 | jane | typically our alt runs only had like 1 ranged |
| 00:36.49 | jane | never got it down, even when assigning melee to hit drakes |
| 00:37.10 | Amarande | And in the end, because of how many 40s you needed, you presumably had to be a dwarf to be a successful raid leader |
| 00:37.10 | jane | the day we had majority ranged was the day we facerolled it |
| 00:37.18 | Amarande | simply because nobody else could probably drink that much beer and live :) |
| 00:37.19 | Stormscape | You need 3 ranged for Heroic Blackporn I believe |
| 00:37.36 | jane | yeah that fight is just ridiculous if you dont have ranged |
| 00:37.45 | Amarande | and dammit |
| 00:37.47 | Amarande | that's what I forgot tonight |
| 00:37.49 | Amarande | I forgot to buy beer :| |
| 00:37.52 | jane | and there are lots of fights heavily favoring ranged |
| 00:38.10 | jane | or melee, even |
| 00:38.23 | Amarande | jane: yeah, that was a more or less consistent complaint about Cata from many, actually |
| 00:38.27 | jane | that's what's most annoying about 10s, unless a miracle happens you cant always do whatever |
| 00:38.42 | Amarande | the melee DPS role was almost as difficult to work in as it was in BC, practically |
| 00:39.01 | jane | group of people that have h blackhorn on farm on 25 cant do 10 cause we brought our rogues/enh shammies/kitties.. |
| 00:39.09 | Amarande | either the boss had mechanics that punished you for just being in melee and not being the tank, or the boss had mechanics that required lots of moving around between targets so ranged could keep pewpewing with ease while melee wasted half their time walking |
| 00:39.51 | jane | well in this case, it's a mob critical to the kill that can't be dpsed because it's a dragon flying around |
| 00:40.06 | Amarande | Or the boss had mechanics where there were periodic AoE attacks (like that stone golem boss in Stonecore) which occurred with enough frequency that melee DPS was significantly hurt, due to the fact that so much time was spent running out and in |
| 00:40.18 | jane | lol that boss has spell reflect too |
| 00:40.38 | Amarande | At least with, say, Sindragosa, EVERYONE had to run out, and the range was far enough that it didn't really favour ranged (especially with that damned corrupted mana or whatever it was) |
| 00:41.02 | jane | i remember relaly flipping out on reddit cause someoen asked the exact question and ghostcrawler was just like "we're trying to balance melee/ranged".. |
| 00:41.04 | jane | that's not the question! |
| 00:41.23 | Amarande | i.e., ranged didn't have the advantage of being able to continue DPS during air phase, they had to get all the way back to the stairs too, which was too far to hit Sindy from :P |
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| 00:41.54 | Amarande | or, yeah, things like that dragon that melee DPS just can't reach |
| 00:42.02 | jane | http://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/zqm8d/world_of_warcraft_developer_ama/c66wxn3?context=1 |
| 00:42.11 | Amarande | or you have mechanics like Siamat. I remember my very first encounter with Siamat and we had I think 2 or even 3 melee DPS and it was "fun" |
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| 00:42.38 | Amarande | yay for constant damage being thrown around and a battle mechanic where all the adds have to die, they're at three far-flung points on the battlefield |
| 00:42.49 | jane | meh that's not that hard |
| 00:43.08 | Amarande | and pretty much the whole centre of the battlefield is don't-stand-in-the-shit so melee either have to walk thru it and strain the healer, or take the long way around (then everyone takes more damage from the battle length & you strain the healer anyway :P) |
| 00:43.32 | jane | headed south is still hard :/ |
| 00:43.33 | Paarn | that question was answered in more depth. They said they liked the idea that some classes/specs don't perform as well on certain fights, but they were going to try to balance melee/ranged so fights wouldn't be impossible without certain classes and they wouldn't see people taking all the same class to progress |
| 00:43.35 | Amarande | yeah, it's not too hard *now* |
| 00:43.57 | Amarande | it was pretty mean back in the day when cata was brand new and people weren't really optimally geared |
| 00:44.02 | jane | Amarande: i mained a melee dps class when that was new, that was not hard, ever |
| 00:44.14 | jane | i farmed that instance, even, cause it had my pre-raid BiS weapon |
| 00:44.20 | Amarande | I mained melee DPS then too and watched it be a nail biter because the healer was OOM by the end of the battle |
| 00:44.22 | Amarande | and that was on normal |
| 00:44.28 | jane | Paarn: for sure, i read that too |
| 00:44.30 | jane | which is definitely nice |
| 00:44.39 | jane | but its a lot more than just classes :( i really hope that's not the case anymore |
| 00:44.44 | Amarande | jane: did you usually get paired with other melee DPS? |
| 00:44.55 | Amarande | like I said, I think part of it was that two, and maybe even - I can't remember now - all the DPS were melee |
| 00:44.56 | jane | Amarande: guildies so i could need on the weapon with them, yes |
| 00:45.30 | jane | Paarn: its one thing if one or two classes suck, its another if the fight is impossible just cause you have too many melee. :'( |
| 00:45.40 | Amarande | yeah, like BC days |
| 00:45.43 | jane | i mean like, we had two rogues doing insane dps with legendaries before, and still nada |
| 00:45.50 | jane | and the other melee are also really good |
| 00:45.56 | Amarande | I'm guessing enh shamans and ret pallies had it the worst back then, btw? |
| 00:46.00 | Paarn | yeah, and that aspect should be fixed |
| 00:46.05 | jane | they come on their ding 85 hunter or firelands geared mage and faceroll? that's bs |
| 00:46.17 | Amarande | not only because ret pallies had their performance woes and enh shamans, while they'd turn practically everything to ribbons, were mana users |
| 00:46.35 | Amarande | and then you got to lovely things like Kaz'Rogal where having mana using melee DPS was ... ummm ... Bad Thing, heh |
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| 00:47.26 | Amarande | not that I ever actually got to do the Hyjal raid, but it just seems looking at the mechanics that using melee DPS that weren't cats or rogues was just asking to have your tank get blown to smithereens by the debuff |
| 00:47.39 | jane | I miss playing kitty :( |
| 00:48.03 | jane | I've become too reliable a healer to be able to play anything else |
| 00:48.03 | Amarande | and that the fight was enough of a race that you probably couldn't afford to have MDPS who got marked run out (especially enh shamans with their massive DPS) |
| 00:48.15 | Paarn | jane: the healer/tank trap |
| 00:48.18 | jane | lol |
| 00:48.21 | jane | regret it |
| 00:48.31 | jane | i was a good kitty :'( |
| 00:48.35 | Paarn | I've been a healer since EQ with my guild after switching from a ranger |
| 00:48.36 | Amarande | that reminds me, I should get my tankadin started |
| 00:48.55 | Amarande | as for healers, I'll have a pandaren resto (ele offspec) shaman underway in a week |
| 00:49.08 | Amarande | and also another tank, since I'm planning on a nelf monk tank |
| 00:49.20 | jane | I'm a horrible tank |
| 00:49.35 | jane | just too apologetic lol |
| 00:49.57 | Amarande | the only thing that bugs me about being a tank is the thought of being expected to lead almost every group, particularly in PUGs |
| 00:50.07 | Amarande | I'd like to be able to sit back and not be the leader on more occasions :S |
| 00:50.31 | Amarande | granted, a lot of the time in PUGs I end up being leader anyway regardless of my role just because other people in LFD often don't bother to learn the instances :P |
| 00:50.36 | Paarn | well,it happens be default |
| 00:50.43 | Paarn | you usually have to wait for the tank |
| 00:50.57 | Amarande | heh, and then they kvetch at me, like durrrr |
| 00:51.12 | Amarande | like in VP when people don't pull the temple adepts out of the grounding field and then are bugging me (on my mage) SHEEP SHEEP SHEEP |
| 00:51.16 | Amarande | *headdesk* |
| 00:51.25 | Paarn | I like to roleplay on my hunter and go afk in dungeons |
| 00:51.40 | Paarn | without saying anything |
| 00:52.50 | jane | lol |
| 00:52.55 | jane | Amarande: you have no choice as a tank |
| 00:53.02 | jane | that's why people get mad at me. i always wait for things like healer mana |
| 00:53.23 | Amarande | ever get the feeling that quite a lot of LFD players make you die because they *want* to die? heh |
| 00:53.24 | jane | like my biggest pet peeve was tanks not paying any attention to that so i think about it |
| 00:55.51 | Paarn | my biggest pet peeve is tanks not telling dps off if they constantly draw agro |
| 00:56.53 | jane | :< i keep failing on that front |
| 00:57.08 | jane | my warlock pet has its taunt shit on every time i walk into a dungeon even though i turned it off |
| 00:57.18 | jane | nobody ever tells me and i only realize after my pet dies a couple times |
| 00:57.30 | jane | and then once i tanked without righteous fury.. |
| 00:57.47 | Paarn | I did that a lot |
| 00:57.56 | jane | i guess part of it is threat gen is so buffed it shouldnt be a problem, especially single target |
| 00:58.09 | jane | i dont have a problem unless people decide to pull for me |
| 00:58.16 | jane | or, have a taunt or whatever |
| 00:58.41 | Paarn | it shouldn't be, but I think a big part of the problem with lack of tanks is that people are harsh and tank mistakes are very visible |
| 00:58.58 | jane | yeah |
| 00:59.03 | jane | well i have no problem calling out shitty dps |
| 00:59.08 | jane | usually cause i drop a totem and afk while healing |
| 01:00.20 | jane | or healers. |
| 01:00.46 | jane | I really wish people were more reasonable in LFD |
| 01:01.09 | jane | either just listen to what someone else might be telling you, or try to be better on your own cause you're in a _group_ |
| 01:01.44 | Paarn | indeed |
| 01:02.27 | Paarn | I think it starts with resolving the tanking problem |
| 01:04.54 | jane | didn't blizz say they would like to work on a feature that would basically help newbies, kinda like dummies on steroids? |
| 01:08.46 | Amarande | jane: were you leveling or max when you tanked without RF? |
| 01:09.15 | jane | max level and ds gear :P |
| 01:09.17 | Amarande | ah |
| 01:09.21 | jane | lol |
| 01:09.25 | Amarande | I was going to say I wouldn't be surprised if you managed it while leveling |
| 01:09.29 | jane | with a guildie who tops charts with his rogue |
| 01:09.34 | jane | i kinda zoned out |
| 01:09.35 | Amarande | since without RF, TPS isn't too much different from DPS, right? |
| 01:09.42 | jane | i've also accidentally used righteous fury as a healer judging |
| 01:09.43 | jane | lolol |
| 01:09.49 | Amarande | but, while leveling, tanks not only exceed the DPS on TPS, but they usually do it by a large margin on DPS, too |
| 01:09.51 | jane | OH FUCK BUBBLE |
| 01:10.18 | jane | tanking without RF at low levels seems faceroll too |
| 01:10.22 | jane | unless you have someone with heirlooms |
| 01:10.36 | jane | but i only went to like level 30 before i just scrolled a level 80 paladin |
| 01:10.38 | jane | i hate leveling |
| 01:10.55 | jane | then heal/tanked 80-85, but there it's crucial |
| 01:11.20 | jane | it was just the other day >< |
| 01:11.39 | jane | i think i queued for something as heals/tank and got in as tank while in heal spec |
| 01:13.39 | Amarande | heh |
| 01:13.57 | Amarande | I think on pally I'd probably go ret offspec, it seems more logical |
| 01:14.16 | Amarande | basically, in general it seems more logical to choose, except on a character you know will be a raiding main, specs that require a minimum of gear changes to flip between |
| 01:14.37 | Amarande | thus, things like balance/resto for druid, ele/resto for shaman, etc. etc. |
| 01:18.14 | jane | that just doesn't work outside the first couple weeks doing dungeons |
| 01:18.39 | jane | i used to be feral tank/dps and resto on my druid |
| 01:18.43 | jane | 3 sets of gear |
| 01:18.49 | jamphat | pally is the first char ive actually switched specs during leveling |
| 01:19.06 | jamphat | from prot to holy just cuz the influx of dks tanks queueing at 60 |
| 01:19.08 | jane | i have 2 sets for ele/resto shaman, plus like 4-5 trinkets/weapons depending on the fight |
| 01:19.24 | jane | oh, my druid also went boomkin for a while, reforging alone with the resto bonuses gave me a nice dps boost |
| 01:19.51 | jane | i wanted to be holy on the paladin but went prot offspec to get faster queues |
| 01:20.13 | jamphat | at 60 tank was 10min q, holy was instant |
| 01:20.16 | jamphat | last week |
| 01:20.18 | jane | there really isn't much gear sharing to be done, outside of a couple of pieces |
| 01:20.28 | jane | well i was 80+ where tank usually is the fastest |
| 01:21.00 | jane | then again i raid on all my toons, so |
| 01:21.46 | jamphat | i raided on 2 for like a month, not worth it lawl |
| 01:22.41 | jane | not seriously on most of them :/ |
| 01:23.51 | jane | and this is only cause im bored as shit |
| 01:23.58 | jane | nothing to do |
| 01:24.12 | jamphat | yeah im not raiding at all anymore |
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| 01:24.28 | jamphat | just leveling new toons, learning shadow pvp, and undercutting |
| 01:24.34 | jane | http://img.skitch.com/20120918-gij73knng549r5h6yffky3t4tk.jpg < yesterday lol |
| 01:25.04 | jamphat | jesus lol |
| 01:25.08 | jane | booored |
| 01:25.42 | jane | ulduar is really obnoxious |
| 01:25.49 | jane | keep failing at shadowdodger |
| 01:25.54 | jane | someone ALWAYS gets hit |
| 01:26.03 | Amarande | heh, it's amazing how hard old content can still be, isn't it? :) |
| 01:26.09 | jane | well it's an achieve, so |
| 01:26.13 | jamphat | only done it like once so idk what youre talking about |
| 01:26.18 | jane | what made me cry was i did ruby sanctum and half the raid died to cutters |
| 01:26.33 | jane | its the boss before yogg, avoid his shadow thing he throws at a random raid member |
| 01:26.38 | jane | all you have to do is move like a couple yards...noooo |
| 01:26.56 | Amarande | jane: graphics issues? |
| 01:27.02 | jamphat | i need to do that mount run eventually... |
| 01:27.05 | jane | Amarande: dbm would yell at you |
| 01:27.09 | Amarande | ah |
| 01:27.10 | jane | so that's no excuse |
| 01:27.18 | Amarande | I was going to say, people with laptops who have to turn things down to low |
| 01:27.27 | jane | i raid 25s on a macbook air. people have no excuse |
| 01:27.30 | Amarande | since apparently even some important raid effects get suppressed then and you can be standing in fire without seeing it |
| 01:27.35 | jane | then get gtfo |
| 01:27.39 | jane | it'll yell at you too |
| 01:27.41 | Amarande | not talking about macbooks here. macbooks are high-price laptops |
| 01:27.45 | jane | lol |
| 01:27.46 | jane | macbook _air_? |
| 01:27.50 | jane | has jack shit for graphics |
| 01:28.00 | Amarande | we're talking about folks who think they can play WoW on $400 entry level barely-better-than-a-netbook laptops :S |
| 01:28.11 | jane | i get like 5fps on heroic ultrax |
| 01:28.21 | Paarn | they probably can and not have to turn off raid effects |
| 01:28.32 | jane | they should turn that off and get dbm+gtfo |
| 01:28.33 | Amarande | jane: and this, too, is a reason why 25's are losing popularity |
| 01:28.36 | jane | i mean really, no excuse |
| 01:28.38 | jane | it is really not that hard |
| 01:28.42 | Amarande | people have much more emphasis on mobility these days |
| 01:28.48 | Amarande | I imagine a fair chunk of folks don't even own a desktop computer |
| 01:28.52 | jane | half the problem on h ultrax isnt even a graphics thing, its people dont even notice a debuff on them |
| 01:29.07 | Amarande | on 10's, you probably wouldn't get 5 fps on heroic ultrax, and I'm sure a lot of players would find that just too unacceptable to play |
| 01:29.24 | jane | meh, its only at teh beginning when we lust, if we lust |
| 01:29.35 | jane | i get a lot more on any other fight |
| 01:29.51 | jane | probably view distance+spell effects fucking me majorly, just like anyone else |
| 01:30.09 | Amarande | actually I'm not sure how much view distance even matters at all |
| 01:30.18 | jane | if you have to render all the shit behind ultraxion too? |
| 01:30.33 | Amarande | jane: because I'm not 100% sure if something being too far away to render actually makes it not matter |
| 01:30.38 | Amarande | specifically, this |
| 01:30.41 | jamphat | to be fair i leveled my lock from 1-80 and did voa on a 300$ laptop |
| 01:30.41 | Amarande | during LK |
| 01:30.49 | jamphat | and it was $300 in 2008, so |
| 01:30.52 | Amarande | when I was in Icecrown, if I was even FACING Dalaran |
| 01:31.06 | Amarande | like, if it was even just a shadow outline in the distance of the floating rock, not even being able to see anything in there |
| 01:31.19 | Amarande | possibly, not sure now, even if it wasn't quite visible at all at the distance |
| 01:31.29 | Amarande | at least some level of the Dalalag effect would still occur |
| 01:31.51 | Amarande | which suggests that the game is trying to analyse everything that's in your LoS, regardless of whether it's close enough that it's actually going to be rendered :S |
| 01:32.02 | jane | well yes, but its a bit worse if it's right behind a boss |
| 01:32.23 | jane | anyway even if i thought i was bad, there are people in my guild with worse |
| 01:32.36 | jane | but there's no excuse for someoen not pressing a dumb button for fading light |
| 01:32.44 | Amarande | so spell effects, yeah ... but I don't know if view distance matters a whit, if your framerate can tank halfway across Icecrown just by looking southwards |
| 01:33.18 | jane | if you lag or something that's one thing, but.. |
| 01:33.18 | Amarande | btw |
| 01:33.27 | Amarande | did the maintenance this week get the CRZ issues down to a dull roar finally? |
| 01:33.52 | jane | ohh, and to tie this back to the original boss mechanic, if you're in a room with 6 people and can't avoid purple shit you have a problem |
| 01:33.56 | Amarande | well Shatt/Dala lag wasn't really lag at all, it was client responsiveness issues due to extreme framerate loss |
| 01:34.37 | Amarande | e.g. if you were in Dalaran even at the height of LK and turned to face into a corner, everything was just ducky |
| 01:34.57 | jane | im saying lag is lag, client responsiveness/graphics lag is still something but not enough for someone to derp out |
| 01:35.17 | Amarande | depends, how quickly do you need to respond when you find yourself in purple? |
| 01:35.27 | jane | you have a few seconds to move out -_- |
| 01:35.31 | Amarande | is it one of those things like defile where client slowdown really could be fatal? |
| 01:35.32 | Amarande | ah |
| 01:35.32 | jane | before it hits your spot |
| 01:35.50 | jane | just like unless you get fucked with fading light, you'll have a few seconds to hit the button |
| 01:35.59 | Amarande | ahhh, defile |
| 01:36.12 | Amarande | I still remember when I died on a good LK kill because of the stuff, and I didn't even have a chance in the world :| |
| 01:36.19 | Amarande | you might be able to guess exactly how this can happen |
| 01:36.51 | Amarande | (there is really only one case, as far as I know, in which there is a valid excuse for dying in this fashion) |
| 01:37.22 | jane | there's never an excuse unless it was something out of your control |
| 01:37.28 | Amarande | which, in fact, it was |
| 01:37.33 | jane | which was? |
| 01:37.39 | Amarande | I was chosen to be harvested into Frostmourne |
| 01:37.46 | Amarande | when I came out, I was dropped straight into a defile blop |
| 01:37.53 | jane | lol |
| 01:38.00 | Amarande | not only that, but slightly off centre, so that the only way to run out of it quickly was straight into several of those stupid purple explodey spirits |
| 01:38.04 | Amarande | which was what *actually* killed me |
| 01:38.08 | jane | that sucks |
| 01:38.14 | jane | ohhh yeah i did icc the other day for achieves |
| 01:38.25 | jane | we just totally skipped every phase after the first remorseless winter |
| 01:38.31 | jane | just stood in the shit and kept dpsing lk |
| 01:38.34 | jane | it was so weird. so bugged |
| 01:42.21 | JunkHead | Sweet. We found a good strategy for Kael Thas |
| 01:42.25 | JunkHead | 2 manned him.:) |
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| 02:19.12 | Amarande | huh, interesting. regarding the previous discussion about the phones and Battle.net SMS Protect |
| 02:19.20 | Amarande | it seems like 1) it may not actually be to protect *you* |
| 02:19.46 | Amarande | and 2) that SMS Protect actually was likely added as a different purpose, which may even be a more significant purpose than actually being another authenticator method |
| 02:20.04 | Amarande | (especially since you can have both your authenticator and SMS Protect on the same phone, and then you're kinda totally screwed if it's stolen :P) |
| 02:20.22 | Amarande | jane: apparently, in Europe, there aren't problems with prepaid things, too - it appears to be US specific |
| 02:21.02 | Amarande | and I could probably bet these people are right in the ParanoiaWorld that the 21c. US Government practises :P |
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| 02:22.20 | Amarande | apparently, based on what prepaids work and what don't: it seems like it's some sort of means of shoehorning in a requirement of providing a Social Security Number after a fashion, without Blizzard having to actually collect said numbers or worry about the security or related background checks thereof :P |
| 02:22.41 | Amarande | sneaky. :P |
| 02:22.57 | Amarande | and kind of paranoid, really. |
| 02:23.12 | Amarande | seriously, what kind of major organised crime or terrorist group is going to use Diablo III as a source of funds *headdesk* |
| 02:23.25 | jane | Amarande: youd think that was fulfilled with verified paypal |
| 02:23.54 | Amarande | yeah, that is true, though I can't remember if paypal needed my SSN or just my bank account details, come to think of it |
| 02:24.01 | Amarande | it's been a long long time since I set up my paypal heh |
| 02:24.23 | jane | bank account would be enough |
| 02:25.21 | Amarande | it seems like cell companies aren't being discriminated strictly upon prepaid or not, but rather upon whether the provider requires a SSN for activation or not |
| 02:25.43 | Amarande | (although there is still the matter of the glitchiness people are getting with mis-classified numbers due to provider migration) |
| 02:30.40 | jane | weird |
| 02:31.50 | Amarande | yeah, the US is pretty paranoid |
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| 02:48.48 | sandiegMouse | !mop |
| 02:48.50 | Freyja | 6 days 6 hours 11 minutes 12 seconds until the release of Mists of Pandaria [25th September, 2012] |
| 02:51.36 | sandiegMouse | hello room |
| 02:51.58 | Esamynn | alayton: ping |
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| 03:00.46 | raspy | !mop |
| 03:00.46 | Freyja | 6 days 5 hours 59 minutes 14 seconds until the release of Mists of Pandaria [25th September, 2012] |
| 03:02.42 | sandiegMouse | Guys! HOw to swap in tukui from healer to dps layout?!?!?? |
| 03:03.01 | raspy | fml gotta do work and jury duty tommorow :( |
| 03:03.51 | sandiegMouse | What is the best UI for pve tanking |
| 03:03.52 | sandiegMouse | ?! |
| 03:04.02 | *** part/#wowhead pompy (~Mike@68.36.135.0) |
| 03:05.40 | jane | sandiegMouse: whatever you want? |
| 03:05.56 | sandiegMouse | ? |
| 03:06.02 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] September 18th Hotfixes, Mists of Pandaria Profession Overview - http://www.wowhead.com/news=206541/september-18th-hotfixes-mists-of-pandaria-profession-overview |
| 03:06.10 | jane | ... |
| 03:06.16 | sandiegMouse | -.- |
| 03:06.26 | jane | you make your ui whatever you want |
| 03:06.39 | sandiegMouse | fuck me hard jane |
| 03:06.45 | jane | excuse me? |
| 03:06.56 | sandiegMouse | haha |
| 03:07.43 | Mr_Rabies | O_o |
| 03:07.52 | Mr_Rabies | what in the hell just happened |
| 03:09.11 | Esamynn | you got me |
| 03:10.00 | jane | i don't know either. i wish that guy luck tanking like a noob |
| 03:10.16 | jane | cause most guys would not say that casually around me, cause i will follow through with something bigger than they can imagine |
| 03:10.48 | jane | rofl health of mobs in the new scenario got upped |
| 03:10.59 | jane | no more soloing :( |
| 03:11.03 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] September 18th Hotfixes, Battle Chest Updates, Mists of Pandaria Profession Overview - http://www.wowhead.com/news=206541/september-18th-hotfixes-battle-chest-updates-mists-of-pandaria-profession-overvi |
| 03:11.32 | Noxy | !mop |
| 03:11.33 | Freyja | 6 days 5 hours 48 minutes 28 seconds until the release of Mists of Pandaria [25th September, 2012] |
| 03:11.35 | Noxy | !mop |
| 03:11.38 | Freyja | 6 days 5 hours 48 minutes 25 seconds until the release of Mists of Pandaria [25th September, 2012] |
| 03:11.39 | Noxy | AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 03:12.48 | Gary13579 | bad Noxy |
| 03:12.51 | Gary13579 | no getting excited |
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| 03:15.00 | Noxy | ;; |
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| 10:54.33 | JunkHead | Morning. |
| 10:55.16 | Coreclown | hi |
| 10:56.50 | sidji | ahoy |
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| 11:33.06 | Vladinator | hehe, awesome ^^ |
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| 11:58.11 | JunkHead | Hmm... seems the MoP expansion isn't giftable yet. |
| 11:58.19 | JunkHead | Gotta wait for the actual release date. |
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| 12:06.18 | linuxuz3r | hello9 |
| 12:06.21 | linuxuz3r | anyone here |
| 12:19.42 | sidji | ahoy |
| 12:24.53 | linuxuz3r | hi sidji |
| 12:25.02 | linuxuz3r | is burning crusade gameplay long? |
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| 14:50.05 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] Pirates' Day (Sept. 19th) Guide - http://www.wowhead.com/news=206558/pirates-day-sept-19th-guide |
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| 15:46.13 | Esamynn | alayton: ping |
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| 16:01.02 | Zemus | gday |
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| 16:52.27 | fewyn | !mop |
| 16:52.28 | Freyja | 5 days 16 hours 7 minutes 33 seconds until the release of Mists of Pandaria [25th September, 2012] |
| 16:52.28 | fewyn | mopmopmop |
| 17:01.44 | Owkkuri | !Mop |
| 17:01.47 | Freyja | 5 days 15 hours 58 minutes 16 seconds until the release of Mists of Pandaria [25th September, 2012] |
| 17:02.17 | Owkkuri | More like 2 months and 5 days for me |
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| 17:02.42 | snipe | hi all |
| 17:02.49 | Owkkuri | Hi |
| 17:02.50 | snipe | anyone around using tukui or elfui ? |
| 17:03.28 | snipe | how to swap from heal layout to tank layout |
| 17:03.42 | snipe | i miss clicked and picked up heal layout |
| 17:03.50 | snipe | in the installation |
| 17:03.52 | snipe | :S |
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| 17:04.28 | ari5av | snipe: /tukui gives you an option, doesn't it? |
| 17:04.31 | ari5av | used to anyway |
| 17:04.44 | snipe | yes it gives |
| 17:04.59 | snipe | but i dont find a way to pick tank ui |
| 17:05.02 | snipe | ffs |
| 17:05.03 | snipe | :S |
| 17:07.16 | Owkkuri | Snipe, I guess you could delete it's settings and try again |
| 17:07.34 | Owkkuri | Think it was the wtf folder |
| 17:07.50 | Owkkuri | Find it's entry and whack it |
| 17:09.17 | snipe | tks |
| 17:09.18 | snipe | tksd |
| 17:09.22 | snipe | wqorked |
| 17:11.42 | Owkkuri | I'm glad |
| 17:14.01 | JunkHead | i need to fix my buffs in game. |
| 17:14.10 | JunkHead | either elkano's or shadowed uf... |
| 17:14.13 | JunkHead | something is broke. |
| 17:14.20 | fewyn | i need new buff bars |
| 17:14.26 | fewyn | if you find something nice tell me |
| 17:14.37 | JunkHead | well, i love elkano's. |
| 17:14.47 | JunkHead | but it seems like it displays whatever buffs it wants |
| 17:14.55 | JunkHead | which is like... half of them. |
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| 17:33.22 | fewyn | http://www.wowprogress.com/char_level/us/velen ~memories~ |
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| 18:00.07 | fewyn | there we go, my ui is now nice and fixed up http://uplol.fewyn.net/World_of_Warcraft_2012-09-19_13-59-37.png |
| 18:02.17 | JunkHead | not bad... but whats that addon with the red x in the upper right hand corner? |
| 18:02.35 | JunkHead | :D |
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| 18:13.17 | neutronimity | that addon is called something along the lines of "quit life!" |
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| 18:18.33 | fewyn | !mop |
| 18:18.34 | Freyja | 5 days 14 hours 41 minutes 27 seconds until the release of Mists of Pandaria [25th September, 2012] |
| 18:18.36 | fewyn | y u not here yet |
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| 18:33.03 | Noxy | is it panda time yet? |
| 18:34.21 | fewyn | of course my internet is going to go out as soon as i click something on mop beta |
| 18:36.35 | fewyn | so a whole set of TB quests for turn ins on the beta is 7% of a level |
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| 18:44.49 | Corgan | licks JunkHead |
| 18:45.20 | Corgan | your UI makes me sad, fewyn |
| 18:51.14 | fewyn | why Coreclown |
| 18:51.16 | fewyn | Corgan |
| 18:51.22 | fewyn | WHY ARE THERE SO MANY PEOPLE IN HERE |
| 18:51.31 | hylje | because |
| 18:51.31 | hylje | pandas |
| 18:51.53 | Eraclito | everybody walk the panda |
| 19:00.05 | JunkHead | so, a friend ofmine decided to resub to wow |
| 19:00.37 | JunkHead | she used a 7 day free trailthis past week, and we had fun doing old raids. |
| 19:00.47 | JunkHead | trial this* |
| 19:00.52 | hylje | fun |
| 19:01.01 | Paarn | great story. |
| 19:01.10 | JunkHead | She hadn't done some of them ever. |
| 19:01.18 | JunkHead | and some she had done partially. |
| 19:01.44 | JunkHead | we did MC, BWL, AQ40, and Kael'Thas |
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| 20:09.20 | JunkHead | http://lindsayshands.tumblr.com/ <-- well now... aint that some shit. |
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| 20:33.14 | watwat | wat |
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