IRC log for #wowhead on 20120914

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00:21.02Freyja[The Wowhead Blog] Introducing Our Borderlands 2 Database - http://www.wowhead.com/news=206408/introducing-our-borderlands-2-database
00:30.54Vashi'd like an italian localization of wowhead db way more than borderlands 2 :<
00:31.09fewynwe're different teams
00:31.11fewynso
00:31.22fewynand localization is a whole different story
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00:32.41Eraclitoyeah i figured :P
00:33.41fewynhave to localize all of wowhead and that's a lot of work
00:34.13Eraclitohowever i still didn't like the "there are no current plans for Wowhead to support Italian WoW", later corrected in "maybe after MoP release, we'll add the new realms to the profiler" ...two weeks later they're not added yet :(
00:35.00fewynit's a lot of work Eraclito
00:35.07fewynnot something that can be done overnight
00:35.26Eraclitothe localization, sure, but add two realms to the profiler?
00:35.39fewynoh adding realms to the profiler?
00:35.41StormscapeCan't login to WoW
00:35.42StormscapeF.O.E.
00:35.51Eraclitoyes, two weeks later they're still missing
00:35.58fewyni'll look into it
00:36.00Eraclitoand that can be done overnight :P
00:36.11Eraclitoa localization is a huge work, i totally agree
00:36.19fewyni know the wowhead devs have been super busy with mop related stuff
00:37.14Mr_Rabies<Amarande> I'm also guessing the wowhead DB on what drops what is likely to become highly inaccurate very soon
00:37.20Mr_Rabiesnah, addons can see what mob dropped what
00:37.29Mr_Rabiesthere's an API for what mob loot came from
00:37.41Mr_Rabiesas long as the wh looter keeps that in mind, it'll be accurate
00:38.02fewynwhat are the new italian realms Eraclito?
00:38.22TecnoBratwhy would wowhead become inaccurate?
00:38.33TecnoBratI'm confused .... whats changing that is going to affect that?
00:38.35fewynwhich it does Mr_Rabies
00:38.39fewynTecnoBrat: aoe looting
00:38.41fewyncame in 5.0
00:38.56fewyn(awesome amiright?)
00:39.00Mr_Rabiesyes
00:39.01Mr_Rabiesyes it is
00:39.10Mr_Rabiesi cleared AQ20 in record time
00:39.17EraclitoPozzo dell'EternitĂ  / Well of Eternity and Nemesis, on armory the first one is linked as pozzo-delleternita or well-of-eternity, they both work
00:39.31TecnoBratahhhh fewyn
00:39.47TecnoBratyea, but I think "looting" tells you what mob it was from anyways
00:39.48TecnoBratiirc
00:40.00TecnoBratbeen a long time since I edited the looter :P
00:40.12fewynthe looter would only worry about the mob you are looting
00:40.17fewynand think everything dropped from one mob
00:40.25fewynaryu updated it shortly after 5.0 released
00:40.41TecnoBratI thought looting an item was an event, and it told you what dropped it
00:40.48TecnoBratmaybe I'm thinking about something else
00:40.55fewynit might have been prior to aoe looting
00:41.03fewynnow you click ona mob and loot EVERYTHING nearby
00:41.12Eraclitoi remember a blue post talking about they added info about the single mob who dropped each item, months ago
00:41.18fewynthey added new api calls to show which item dropped from which mob
00:42.45Mr_Rabiesyeah, it's like a 50-75 yard radius on the loot
00:42.46Mr_Rabiesit's amazing
00:42.52Mr_Rabiesit should be zone wide, imo
00:43.05Mr_Rabiesend of instance, everyone loots the boss, millions of items
00:43.16TecnoBratfewyn, thats what I'm saying ... I thought it did that already
00:43.32Mr_Rabiesafaik the API for what dropped from what is new
00:43.34TecnoBratI thought when you looted an item ... an event was thrown which was like "you got X item, which dropped from Y"
00:43.39fewynyes
00:43.41Mr_Rabiesbecause it's all in one loot window
00:43.46fewynbut what i said is now it's all one loot window
00:43.53fewynaoe loot
00:44.06fewynit pulls all loot into one window so you don't have to click 500 corpses
00:44.07TecnoBratyea, but I thought each item already told you individually
00:44.14TecnoBratI am clearly mistaken
00:44.19fewynyou are
00:44.22Mr_Rabiesit may have, but as i understand, the way it's done is different now
00:44.47fewynbecause the old way you were only looting one corpse
00:44.55fewynnow you're looting X with one click
00:45.46fewynEraclito: should be fixed late tonight or tomorrow
00:45.53Eraclitothanks a lot :)
00:51.42TecnoBratoh yea
00:51.45TecnoBratso here it is
00:51.45TecnoBratGetLootSlotSourceInfo(lootSlot)
00:51.52TecnoBratReturns
00:51.52TecnoBratguid1, guid2, ...
00:51.53TecnoBratString - GUID of the NPC being looted.
00:52.01TecnoBratso ..... simple
00:52.14TecnoBratinfact, looking back .. the old way sucked
00:52.24TecnoBratand was much more inaccurate
00:52.32TecnoBratI fixed a major bug with it back in TBC
00:54.12TecnoBratStormscape, so its not just me who can't login?
00:54.27fewynCompletely shut down the game to your desktop & relaunch. You should be able to log into the game once more, everyone. #Warcraft
00:54.33StormscapeTecnoBrat, nobody can
00:54.36Stormscapeservers broke
00:54.39fewynStormscape ^
00:54.59Stormscapefewyn no it's still not working for me
00:55.17TecnoBrattesting ...
00:55.22fewynhttps://twitter.com/BlizzardCS/status/246411387050541056 go yell at blizzard than!
00:56.03TecnoBratStormscape, there is a patch
00:56.05TecnoBratthats why
00:56.12TecnoBratdid you run the launcher again?
00:56.15Stormscapeyes
00:56.19Stormscapeand it's still not working
00:56.23Sephirotho.O
00:56.30Sephirothdid blizz rerelease patch 5.0.5?
00:56.40Stormscapethey done goofed, it seems
00:57.11Mr_Rabiesnew build, Sephiroth
00:57.21Mr_Rabies16057
00:57.25TecnoBratworked for me
00:57.40TecnoBrat5.0.5 was already released no? cause ... thats the version it says
00:58.00fewyn5.0.5 came out on
00:58.01fewyntuesday
00:58.01TecnoBratStormscape, try again .. worked for me
00:58.02fewyn?
00:58.09StormscapeStill not working
00:58.22fewynversion 5.0.5 build 16048 is what i'm running right now
00:58.30fewynhaven't exited the game in awhile
00:58.58fewynseems they pushed a client patch
00:59.03fewyn7mb
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00:59.28StormscapeYeah it's saying 16057, still won't connect
00:59.41fewynyeah this build is 57
00:59.57fewyni just logged in fine
01:00.00fewynafter patching
01:00.36TecnoBratStormscape, what happens?
01:00.41Stormscapestill red server list
01:00.54TecnoBratpick one
01:00.56TecnoBratclick go
01:01.48Stormscapewhat part of "it still won't connect" didn't you catch?
01:02.45TecnoBratyou don't need to be an ass.... thats what it did for me .. but when I selected one (that was red) and clicked go, it worked
01:02.54TecnoBratafter patching
01:03.02TecnoBratif it doesn't work for you, sorry
01:03.07TecnoBratjust trying to help
01:03.10TecnoBratI'll stop helping now.
01:03.21TecnoBrathave fun not logging in.
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02:25.38Amarandesooo ... looking back on my experience with classes
02:25.49AmarandeLFD is going to make it way more fun to level a priest, whichever way I slice it
02:26.20AmarandeEither I'm a healer in which case it will ensure a near-endless supply of instance runs, or I'm shadow in which case it lets me DO instance runs
02:26.41Amaranderemembers leveling a priest in the days before dual spec or LFD ... I chose shadow, and as a result practically never could get a PUG together for anything
02:26.52Amarandebecause they would expect, you're a priest, you should be healing, wtf are you doing saying LF healer
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02:27.02Sephirothshadows Amarande.
02:29.23Eraclitoi think hybrids should be healing only in a specific situation...
02:29.30Eraclitovann/drek room
02:30.49Eraclitoi mean, someone's hybrid, and he doesn't heal while in there? their hands should be cut away in some painful way
02:32.39AmarandeEraclito: well, the trouble BITD was that if you were a shadow priest (I imagine cat and moonkin druids, as well as ellie or enhance shamans or ret pallies had the same issue)
02:32.47Amarandeyou would go LFM (dungeon), need tank and healer
02:32.55Amarandeand people would laugh at you saying "you're looking for a healer? you're a (class)"
02:33.07Amarandethen they'd be like "oh, he's shadow :P" or such
02:33.19Eraclitoi remember :P not good times
02:33.34Amarandeheh, as if the poor ret pallies needed any more problems back then
02:33.54Eraclitoi was pissed because as a mage i was continually whisped for running dungeons
02:34.06Amarandeyeah, mages were probably the most popular DPS back then
02:34.15Eraclito"LF2M mgt, somewhere else heroic, need 2 mages"
02:34.27Amarandebut then, that's to be expected, it wasn't just the food, it was also that they had some of the more effective CC in the days when you actually needed CC in dungeons
02:34.54Amarandenow it seems people don't even use CC anymore in Cata dungeons, unless they're Uldum-based normals
02:35.05Eraclitotrue, i still have bindings to sheep on focus
02:35.16Amarandesimply because temple adepts' healing is a pain in the ass and shadowlancers' damage thingy hurts like hell
02:35.34Amarandethe latter is like ahn'kahar spellflinger shit on steroids
02:35.45Eraclitooh i remember that one
02:36.18Amarandeand I remember what those things were like ... it was literally better, as a DPS DK, to pull an entire second group into the fight if that was what it took to shut down the spellflingers
02:36.29Amarandesimply because the other mobs were so weaksauce by comparison
02:37.18Eraclitoi remember i was good on my paladin, avenger shield and silence, holy wrath and stun... obv no one ever interrupted anything because of gogogo
02:37.34Amarandewell, as a paladin, CC was usually considered to be short for ConseCrate anyway :P
02:37.35Eraclitowhen we got a real interrupt i was so happy
02:37.44Eraclitoahahhaha
02:37.50Eraclitowell turn evil is still a shit spell :P
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02:38.11Eraclitoi mean, they should make it a cc, not a fear
02:38.33Eraclitobeing a fear is useful ... against warlock and dk pets in pvp? and nothing else?
02:39.18Eraclitowell repentance as a talent is awesome anyway
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03:18.21AmarandeGood grief. Has the bug report board always been this active, or was 5.0 a colossal cesspit of breakage like they took WoW, turned it into glass, and hit it a few times with Sulfuras? :P
03:19.01AmarandeI'm beginning to wonder if there's a single aspect of the game that *hasn't* been broken for at least some players ... heh
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03:30.12Sephiroth...
03:30.15Sephirothfewyn
03:30.30Sephirotham i supposed to be able to sticky/unsticky things on bl2db?
03:30.35AmarandeGlad I decided to go resto instead of feral on my druid, certain... wait. I wonder if that might be it.
03:31.05Eraclitoi think i'll go feral and take typhoon talent
03:31.14Eraclitothen join eots and go in stealth to the flag
03:31.17Eraclitothen i'll wait
03:39.24AmarandeEraclito: there are apparently issues with feral atm
03:39.44Amarandeno one is really quite sure why, but something like 99% of the people with problems with being involuntarily hearthed upon leveling are feral druids
03:39.53Djones_Eraclito, 2008 called
03:39.55Amarandethere's occasional reports of it happening to paladins
03:39.57Djones_They want their troll back.
03:40.02Amarandebut almost everyone affected is a feral druid
03:40.49Amarandethere are even some couples who play together and both have druids, and the non-feral will monotonously watch the feral get ported upon dinging while not experiencing the problem at all personally
03:42.45Eraclitoi never heard about this problem and it seems quite funny
03:42.57Eraclito*ding* *loading screen*
03:43.33AmarandeEraclito: there's a number of threads on the bug report forum about it
03:43.44Amarandealso reports of people getting booted from the dungeon queue upon ding that affect other classes too and may or may not be related
03:47.23Eraclitothe only real issue in this patch happened because i transfered to the italian realms
03:47.40Eraclitomy "heart of flame" quest progress has been reset
03:48.09Amarandethen there's also the lovely fact that every time you cross zone boundaries you're taking your sanity into your own hands
03:48.31Eraclitoi opened a ticket and the gm told me "can't track back what your progress was" "i know what it was" "we can't trust you" "i was at 3/250, if i wanted to cheat i'd say 230/250"
03:49.09Eraclitooh well cross realm zones didn't happen to my realm yet :P what's happening with them?
03:49.14AmarandeCRZ is so badly bugged right now that all kinds of glitches occur when crossing zones, up to and including at least one person having had their character punted into limbo and needing GM intervention to retrieve
03:50.18pompyplease refer to the hotfixes: "We've made numerous fixes to the behavior of various systems in Cross-Realm Zones."
03:50.19Amarande(apparently, Ressy has said *that* one happens because servers repurpose themselves dynamically as part of the CRZ system ... so if you are unlucky enough to enter a dead empty zone just as its server is shutting down to repurpose, you will get DCed and then you will get World Server Down whenever you try to get back on that toon until a GM fixes you)
03:51.12Amarandeanother fun thing is that (haven't tried this one, but I do have passenger mounts I could test it with)
03:51.30Amarandeif you mount up, let buddies jump into the other seats on your mount & then zone (assuming you cross a CRZ server boundary)
03:51.48Amarandethere is a very high chance of your buddies getting glitches up to and including being disconnected
03:52.03Eraclitonot funny for friends :P
03:52.47Eraclitoi'm reading the forum, lots of reports
03:52.48Amarandeor another one reported: if you (as sometimes happens with ocean border zones because sometimes the boundary to The Whatever Sea is very close to shore)
03:52.59Eraclitowell, i tried karazhan a couple of days ago
03:53.00Amarandekill a mob and it happens to be across a zone boundary
03:53.03Eraclitochess event was crazy
03:53.09Eraclitowe couldn't complete it with 4 people
03:53.16Amarandeit's pretty much Vegas odds on whether or not you'll actually be able to loot that mob
03:53.23Eraclitomedivh used fire on fire on fire on fire on fire...
03:53.42Amarandewell, they did say that chess event was being tuned harder intentionally, don't know if it was meant to be THAT bad though
03:54.31Eraclitoin the best try we brought the enemy king to like 50% hp
03:54.44Eraclitobut medivh just sent him in the middle of our pieces
03:54.46Amarandebut, srsly. atm one starts to wonder if we're paying 15 bucks a month to be the Beta 2 phase for MoP
03:55.22Eraclito[05:52:37] <Amarande> kill a mob and it happens to be across a zone boundary <- well it already happens with phases, tons of time i couldn't loot mobs
03:55.35Eraclitoor gather herbs, etc
03:56.07Amarandeand this expansion already had probably the largest and most diverse beta group of any WoW expansion due to the fact that it was mostly an open beta (due to the annual pass thing) whereas most WoW expansions tend to be semi-closed beta where it's a lottery unless you meet certain qualifications (which I'm not 100% sure what they usually are)
03:56.21AmarandeHOW DID THIS MANY BUGS MANAGE TO GO LIVE
03:57.00Eraclitoi think they just discarded most of the bug report in beta
03:57.10Amarandeheh\
03:57.20Eraclitoi mean, i remember the random stat greens with the crazy huge stats
03:57.31Amarandemakes you wonder about some of the more paranoid theories, doesn't it?
03:57.40Eraclito"well, that's going to be fixed soon, anyway they don't have these stats for real"
03:57.56Eraclitoand the bug sometimes still happens on live
03:58.03Amarandelike that it's designed to push people to D3 (keep in mind they just put in a patch with a new crop of legendary items, and that most of those will get sold for $250 and Blizz gets a nice cut of this)
03:59.05Eraclitohttp://img35.imageshack.us/img35/648/bansheemodelbug504.jpg <- GAH i'll not be able to sleep tonight
03:59.34Stormscapehttp://i.imgur.com/PiZi7.jpg
04:01.00Eraclitohttp://www.lolroflmao.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/good-guy-bane.jpg
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07:12.11Freyja1 week 4 days 1 hour 47 minutes 50 seconds until the release of Mists of Pandaria [25th September, 2012]
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09:56.26Freyja1 week 3 days 23 hours 3 minutes 36 seconds until the release of Mists of Pandaria [25th September, 2012]
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10:19.36StormscapeI got called an OP shadow priest in a Heroic. Made me feel warm and fuzzy.
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14:41.44yngvedewhat do you think about an account wide profession recipe collection?
14:41.44yngvedehttp://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/5327592977
14:43.21g0urrahttp://blackmesasource.com/ 4 minutes!!
14:46.42Coreclownyngvede: those should be account wide too, absolutely.
14:47.42yngvedewelll if you agree then please leave a comment to bump the thread. i do want the blues to notice it. the more attention this thread gets the better
14:51.22Coreclownthere u go ;P
14:53.10yngvedeThank you! Let's hope they read this.
14:53.40yngvedetogether we can change the world *melody* ;)
14:55.34Coreclown:D
14:55.36Coreclownyeh
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16:03.36blademeldhits Djones_
16:04.09Djones_yes'?
16:05.27blademeldhey
16:05.30blademeldhow is yous?
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16:05.41blademeldyous play 5.0 WoW?
16:05.52blademeldEnglish me good
16:05.54blademeldkeke
16:08.26blademeldgives Djones_ a love tap
16:08.53Djones_no
16:08.57Djones_not touched it
16:09.10blademeld:(
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16:09.17blademeldwhat yous play nows?
16:09.27blademeldMori-neko: hi hey hello
16:09.46Mori-nekoG'morning
16:10.22blademeldMori-neko's words have scared off stolenlegacy
16:10.38Mori-nekoAwwww
16:11.03blademeldI SPEAK ENGLISH GOOD OKAY
16:21.24blademeldgace sine fyb
16:21.30blademelderr
16:21.33blademeldhave some fun
16:21.37blademeldsomeone say something
16:21.47fewynno
16:23.46blademeldcookiebutts
16:54.34blademeldlimbero: http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/zuoo4/a_girl_from_my_school_on_dress_code_she_wasnt/c67xl6q
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17:35.49fewynborderlands 2 is now up for preload on steam, if you haven't seen it yet check out http://www.bl2db.com
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18:04.33Wardthe faction tabards you can buy from the capitol cities that give rep in dungeons
18:04.38Warddo they not work in tbc dungeons?
18:05.34JunkHeadnope. dont think so
18:05.50Wardshame
18:05.53Wardwas on a roll
18:05.58Wardjust needed undercity
18:13.28Wardand the guild tabard don´t work either
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18:33.21JunkHeadbf3 premium double xp weekend.
18:33.42JunkHeadguess i'll be playing that a bit.
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19:03.02limberobladekitty: ha!
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19:11.03Freyja[The Wowhead Blog] Mists of Pandaria: Priest Class Preview - http://www.wowhead.com/news=206150/mists-of-pandaria-priest-class-preview
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19:36.28Elysa!mop
19:36.30Freyja1 week 3 days 13 hours 23 minutes 32 seconds until the release of Mists of Pandaria [25th September, 2012]
19:36.32ElysaSOON
19:38.11fewyn!mop
19:38.12Freyja1 week 3 days 13 hours 21 minutes 49 seconds until the release of Mists of Pandaria [25th September, 2012]
19:38.13fewynmopmopmop
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19:41.54g0urrasoon http://i.imgur.com/5bj1D.jpg
19:46.57Noxy!mop
19:47.00Freyja1 week 3 days 13 hours 13 minutes 3 seconds until the release of Mists of Pandaria [25th September, 2012]
19:47.10fewynMOP MOP MOP
19:48.14NoxyAAHHHHH
19:48.23Noxybut until then
19:48.29fewynborderlands 2 next tuesday
19:48.34Noxywine tastings tonight!
19:48.50Noxyaaannd tomorrow BBQ with the Rawrcast folks
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20:37.29eidyiawhat a day
20:42.03Freyja[The Wowhead Blog] Play Games? Answer This Survey and Win! - http://www.wowhead.com/news=206433/play-games-answer-this-survey-and-win
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21:07.55fewynhrm do i want 2 lbs of teriyaki beef jerky? or 1 lb of teriyaki and 1lb of something else?
21:10.10Mr_Rabiespepper imo
21:10.21fewynno pepper
21:10.24fewynhttp://www.bigjohnsbeefjerky.com/jerky-flavors
21:10.37fewynoriginal, teriyaki, bbq
21:10.41fewyni don't like fiery hot
21:12.34Mr_Rabiesi'd probably just do original then
21:12.48Mr_Rabiesteriyaki is okay but it can be too sweet sometimes
21:13.12fewyni love teriyaki
21:20.37JunkHeadI would've said peppered also.
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21:29.25Forzahi
21:29.33Joltrolls around
21:29.43Joltteriyaki loves you fewyn
21:29.46ForzaAnybody that can tell me how i can see whether my account is available for SoR?
21:30.15fewynhave someone send one
21:30.18fewynand try to accept it
21:31.25ForzaThat kinda make sense :p
21:32.18Jammeryou can see it in account management in the SoR page
21:34.04Jammerwhen you open the Received Invitations tab it gives error message when you can't get it
21:40.01StormscapeDammit Wikipedia, I went to look up something and now I'm reading about the marching step of the French Foreign Legion
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21:44.50jnwhitehStormscape: don't blame wikipedia, blame tabbed browsing =)
21:44.54g0urrahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxIMzSjunE4
21:44.59Stormscapewho said anything about tabs?
21:45.24fewynwikipedia is evil especially if you come across an article with a lot of info
21:45.33fewyni've totally gotten lost reading stuff on there before
21:48.33Stormscapehttp://i.imgur.com/EGovs.png
22:00.11JunkHeadI think tonight might be another pizza night
22:02.44StormscapeI've had pizza too frequently in the past month
22:02.49StormscapeNeed to lay off it for awhile
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22:39.59Amarandehmmm, wonder if anything's been hotfixed tonight
22:40.12Joltonly my life
22:40.16Joltwell no :(
22:40.17AmarandeI was quipping to my coworker who also plays WoW today that to not take your characters' existences into your own hands
22:40.22fewynmaybe?
22:40.34fewynblizzaard hasn't been posting hotfixes
22:40.36fewynso i'm not sure
22:40.43AmarandeYou should stay in Stormwind, don't leave the zone, and don't even THINK of doing dungeons, heh
22:41.02fewynthat's pmuch what i've been doing
22:41.40fewyntime to flip 851 fortune cards~!
22:43.30Eraclitoyou gambler :P
22:43.43Eraclito(oh, thanks again for the italian realms on the profiler)
22:43.52fewynyep
22:43.55fewynthose got published this morning
22:47.39AmarandeI wonder if we should anticipate a healer shortage for Mists launch, thinking of this :|
22:48.28fewyni have noxy and you can't have her!
22:49.33Amarandeheh
22:49.44fewyn(noxy plays a priest)
22:49.56AmarandeI'm thinking more that people will be discouraged disproportionately from playing healers atm
22:50.07Amarandebecause they, more than other classes, depend on doing group content to level efficiently
22:50.21fewyndamn mega unlucky today, nothing above a green fortune
22:50.32Amarande(DPS have always done just fine while questing, and tank builds can do the same, usually, judging by recount figures in dungeons, even BETTER than DPS classes)
22:51.37fewynhttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ajvly1U9898udEd2SkZubEdPVjBEdGZRRHdzbjJnWmc
22:51.53Amarandei.e., tanks and DPS can afford to minimise zone boundary crossings without significantly impacting their leveling, by just questing as they always have
22:52.22Amarandewhile healers ... well ... my experience with healer specs is they tend to be very survivable, but much slower than a tank or damage dealer spec when questing out in the wild
22:52.53fewynyou don't have to level as a healer
22:52.56fewynmost healers don't
22:53.00fewyni know noxy is going shadow
22:54.47Amarandefewyn: viable to try to heal level 10-29 dungeons as shadow/balance/elemental?
22:55.15fewynnot viable anymore but dual spec the gear should work fine for the other spec
22:55.19Amaranderemember, characters are a lot more specialised now, which may be a problem at the levels before you get your dual spec option
22:56.54fewynas long as you dual spec shadow/holy, balance/resto, elemental/resto you should be fine
22:57.03fewynjust need to remember to switch specs
22:58.36Amarandeyup. I'm thinking more if there's going to be a massive queue spike in the 15-29 level range
22:58.49Amarandesince now there is no question of being able to heal off-spec
22:59.05Amarandedoubtless tanks aplenty, but will there be a huge drag of a wait for a healer?
22:59.51Amarande(assuming that people will be disproportionately discouraged from playing healers due to the cackups of CRZ + the fact that healers will surely level much more slowly if forced to simply quest so as to minimise border crossings)
23:00.12Amarandealso, what's this I'm hearing about the Fishing Hat becoming the First Aid Hat? LOL
23:01.24Amarandeheh, apparently some of the anvils in Dalaran aren't working for no logical reason
23:01.28Amarandewhat's with that :S
23:01.55fewynhttp://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/7207170/Patch_505_Hotfixes_-9_14_2012
23:01.58fewynspeak of the devil
23:04.09Amarande"Talents can no longer be removed if they are currently on cooldown."
23:04.10Amarandehm
23:04.20Amarandedo any of the talents have long enough CDs that this is going to pose a significant speed bump for raiders?
23:04.52fewynshouldn't?
23:05.08Amarandewell, I'm guessing that means exactly what it says on the tin
23:05.19Amarandethat you can't swap talents until any talent skills you have that have CDs have come back up?
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23:05.41AmarandeI haven't looked through all 198 available talents to see if any have long CDs
23:06.11StormscapePurgatory has a 3 minute CD
23:06.14Stormscapelongest one I can think of
23:06.15Amarandehah: "Cheat Death can now only absorb up to twice the rogue's maximum health."
23:06.25AmarandeIt took them this long to realise this was a good idea? :)
23:07.34Stormscape"Cauterize can now only absorb up to twice the mages's maximum health."
23:07.36StormscapeDAMN!
23:07.57Amarandehaha, you took Cauterize?
23:08.03StormscapeWhy wouldn't you?
23:08.08StormscapeIt's the best raiding talent on that tier
23:08.50AmarandeI actually didn't take it on either spec, heh
23:08.50Amarandehttp://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/ysera/Kiruna/simple
23:09.57StormscapeUnless frost is your PvP spec, living bomb and nether tempest do more DPS than frost bomb
23:11.42AmarandeHalion should no longer despawn shortly after entering combat ... awwww ... many raiders will be disappointed with that one
23:12.03Amarandemainly since they probably cheered when that bastard despawned instead of, oh, say, killing them left, right, centre, and pretty much every other possible way there is to die :P
23:12.36AmarandeLiving Bomb seemed a little weak by comparison, and Nether Tempest seemed too random
23:13.15AmarandeI'm kind of leery of spells/glyphs with "hits an additional, random target" effects
23:13.31StormscapeLiving Bomb is actually higher DPS even for frost and arcane
23:13.52AmarandeAre they smart enough at least not to choose CC'd targets for the additional random target hits?
23:14.19StormscapeYes, like all spells that choose random targets, it will not target a CCed target
23:14.33Amarandealthough, in that case, Nether Tempest might be the best choice overall, then
23:14.44Amarandethe other ones being triggered AoEs can be bad for you when soloing
23:15.08StormscapeThe problem with Frost Bomb is it ticks once, which is why the coefficient is so high
23:15.33AmarandeI know I've at least once or twice gotten into hot water whilst leveling my mage because of CC breaks due to triggered AoE effects
23:15.50Amarandee.g., pre 5.0, when I had Ice Barrier and the talent that freezes enemies when IB breaks specced
23:16.07Amarandeif the sheeped enemy happened to wander too near at the moment IB broke, the AoE freeze thing would break CC
23:16.22StormscapeBeing fire with Nether Tempest can result in stupid amount of AoE damage
23:16.24AmarandeMelee enemies in Cata hit pretty hard, which is not very good for you if you suddenly start having two of them hitting you. :)
23:16.32Stormscapeinferno blast will cause nether tempest to hit everything in 10 yards
23:16.59Stormscapeliving bomb is probably still better though
23:17.16AmarandeActually, maybe I will retalent into NT
23:17.25Amarandesimply because an issue I ran into with Frost Bomb was exactly that, once again
23:17.51Amarandeif I was fighting multiple enemies and needed to sheep one, I often could not afford to use FB because if the sheeped enemy was too near to the one I was wailing on, or got too near, bye goes the CC
23:18.09Amarandeand I find Kiruna really doesn't hold up very well when two cata level melee enemies are wailing on her all of a sudden :(
23:18.46AmarandeI suppose if I kited with scorch more, this wouldn't be as much of an issue either
23:19.12Amarandebut ... maybe I'm a baddie at soloing, but I tend to be fond of "put up Ice Barrier, sheep the second guy if there is one, and (mostly) stop worrying" battle procedure
23:19.57AmarandeOr maybe I just have a bit of a "kick in the door" play style sometimes. Maybe I should play my Paladin more, she'd probably hold up better with such. :)
23:20.35AmarandeIt certainly explains why I felt such a huge difficulty spike when hitting cata, though. The "put up IB, sheep add if needed, and stop worrying" strategy works so effectively up through 80 that there's no real need to even think of anything else
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23:21.03Amarandeand then you hit cata, and find that 1) enemies actually do enough damage to take out your ice barrier before they die if you're frost (as you would have been to use IB before 5.0)
23:21.11Amarandeand 2) suddenly, your health pool feels very, very small
23:21.54Amarandebefore that, most of the time enemies, oftentimes even pairs of enemies, simply do not have the DPS to break down Ice Barrier before the cooldown ends and you can re-bubble
23:22.34Amarandeand it feels good to be able to spam your spells as if you were using a group content rotation without having to worry about pushback
23:23.03Amarande(A few melee enemies seemed to be able to cause pushback anyway when Ice Barrier was active, though. I'm still not exactly sure why. They were not bosses, and mainly were not even elite.)
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