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| 01:04.37 | MyTie | Is this where people come to talk? |
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| 01:13.05 | MyTie | really really boring in here |
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| 02:59.04 | tate | MyTie how about fu |
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| 04:38.34 | Stormscape | http://fromdraenor.com/comics/2012-07-25-horse.jpg |
| 04:50.31 | snipe | !mop |
| 04:50.31 | Freyja | 2 weeks 4 hours 9 minutes 29 seconds until the release of Mists of Pandaria [25th September, 2012] |
| 04:51.10 | Elysa | It's coming |
| 04:52.40 | Lugburz | wooo |
| 04:52.42 | Lugburz | lol |
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| 06:41.24 | snipe | !MOP |
| 06:41.24 | Freyja | 2 weeks 2 hours 18 minutes 36 seconds until the release of Mists of Pandaria [25th September, 2012] |
| 06:46.43 | sidji | .oO(1w 6d 15h) |
| 07:08.04 | nuuu | hello |
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| 13:39.08 | Noxy | My cat is such a stoner. |
| 13:40.24 | Bundy | I envy your cat. |
| 13:40.56 | Noxy | I dont think catnip would have the same effect on you, though. |
| 13:41.43 | Bundy | haha |
| 13:41.56 | Bundy | I got my own kind of catnip |
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| 15:02.24 | Gunrun | http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/zph9s/activision_blizzard_secretly_watermarking_world/ oh wow |
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| 15:17.56 | Noxy | eh, its just your ID, no biggy. |
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| 15:25.51 | fewyn | BUT PRIVACY |
| 15:25.54 | fewyn | WHINE WHINE |
| 15:25.55 | fewyn | QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ |
| 15:25.59 | fewyn | THEY ARE INVADING |
| 15:26.01 | fewyn | MY PRIVACY |
| 15:31.20 | Noxy | baby |
| 15:31.57 | fewyn | sorry i forgot to turn on my sarcasm flashers |
| 15:32.56 | Noxy | <3 |
| 15:33.11 | Noxy | I know you're being sarcastic ;P |
| 15:33.31 | Mr_Rabies | i love how a bunch of people that hack wow are the ones freaking out, along with people that have no clue what the information means |
| 15:33.44 | Noxy | indeed |
| 15:34.05 | fewyn | i don't use the wow ss tool anyways |
| 15:34.05 | Mr_Rabies | it's literally just the name of your account, which really only matters internally to blizzard, not your login ID or anything, server IP, and server time |
| 15:35.21 | Mr_Rabies | and there's a distinct possibility they just left it on after cata beta on accident |
| 15:35.27 | Mr_Rabies | because that's around when it showed up |
| 15:35.42 | Mr_Rabies | and it makes sense to have that kind of info for a beta, to track down leaks, etc |
| 15:36.09 | fewyn | Mr_Rabies pretty sure it's been enabled since like 2008 |
| 15:36.22 | Mr_Rabies | ah, i read 2010 |
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| 16:03.36 | MyTie | Still quiet in here... |
| 16:04.00 | Noxy | It has its ups and downs. |
| 16:04.02 | hylje | don't scare the pandas |
| 16:04.12 | fewyn | i'm hungry |
| 16:04.17 | MyTie | dang, it's noxy! |
| 16:04.27 | MyTie | the one and only? |
| 16:04.31 | Noxy | Sup. |
| 16:04.43 | Noxy | fewyn, you said that an hour ago. |
| 16:04.59 | raspy | weeee |
| 16:05.12 | MyTie | I was hungry, and decided to go have some healthy oatmeal, but there was this bag of pretzels next to my oatmeal... so... yeah |
| 16:05.27 | fewyn | i'm even more hungry now |
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| 16:06.03 | Noxy | There is schnaurkraut and smoked sausage downstairs in the fridge. |
| 16:06.34 | MyTie | I can cook some german! Yall come on over and have some brats with sauteed onions and gritty mustard |
| 16:06.42 | raspy | food where?? |
| 16:06.46 | MyTie | maybe an oat soda to go along |
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| 16:07.22 | raspy | hmmm its breakfast burrito time |
| 16:07.45 | fewyn | i can either make a bologna and cheese sandwich or pizza rolls or a frozen burrito |
| 16:07.50 | MyTie | maybe blackberry pancakes, and a cup of creamy joe? |
| 16:08.04 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] Mists of Pandaria: Lost and Found Preview - http://www.wowhead.com/news=206309/mists-of-pandaria-lost-and-found-preview |
| 16:08.05 | MyTie | my wife picked fresh blackberries yesterday |
| 16:08.30 | MyTie | Mists of Pandaria? The new expansion? Did that come out finally? |
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| 16:08.40 | fewyn | !mop |
| 16:08.41 | Freyja | 1 week 6 days 16 hours 51 minutes 19 seconds until the release of Mists of Pandaria [25th September, 2012] |
| 16:08.49 | raspy | got a mexican resturaunt 2 blocks away |
| 16:09.02 | MyTie | I remember they announced that expansion... what was it... 11 years ago? |
| 16:09.31 | Noxy | Psh, no. |
| 16:09.44 | MyTie | maybe an exaggeration, but it was a long time in the works |
| 16:09.44 | nerkel | How does the Lost and Found work? |
| 16:09.52 | nerkel | Is it based on a timer, IE only one spawn every 4 hours? |
| 16:10.08 | Noxy | It personally feels like such a long time because I am so fucking excited. |
| 16:10.20 | g0urra_ | ..that's what she said |
| 16:10.47 | MyTie | How excited do you reckon i am, noxy? |
| 16:10.52 | eidyia | OMG 2 weeks!!! |
| 16:10.58 | Noxy | Not at all, probably. |
| 16:11.08 | MyTie | accurate |
| 16:11.09 | raspy | wheres the beer or tequllia |
| 16:11.20 | Noxy | tequllia |
| 16:11.24 | MyTie | so, no one wants blackberry pancakes? |
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| 16:11.38 | Noxy | I prefer my blackberries out of my pancakes and in my mouth. |
| 16:11.55 | eidyia | gross |
| 16:11.57 | MyTie | what about blackberry blintzes |
| 16:12.12 | Noxy | I'm not sure what that is. |
| 16:13.14 | MyTie | http://mtdiner.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/cheeseblintz.jpg |
| 16:13.14 | MyTie | there ya go noxy |
| 16:13.21 | eidyia | a blintze is like a donut, r? |
| 16:13.29 | eidyia | nvm |
| 16:13.35 | MyTie | they are full of a whipped cream cheese mixture, sweetened, of course |
| 16:13.50 | eidyia | like a french canoli? |
| 16:13.58 | Noxy | Good lord no |
| 16:14.01 | MyTie | sort of, but softer |
| 16:14.16 | Noxy | I'm trying to be a good girl, lately. |
| 16:14.20 | MyTie | That /doesn't/ look good? Are you human? |
| 16:14.24 | MyTie | I think noxy is a robot |
| 16:14.34 | Noxy | I am human and I would love to stuff it into my face. |
| 16:14.45 | MyTie | oh, ok. you had me worried |
| 16:14.50 | Noxy | But my large bottom says ~noooooooo I want to be smmaaalllller~ |
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| 16:15.42 | MyTie | oh, your booty. Hmmm... I just got this image of a drawing, in your style, of a robot noxy eating cheese and blackberry blintzes |
| 16:16.14 | Noxy | Haw. |
| 16:16.38 | Noxy | and yes! my booty, its already reducing in mass. Its great when my pants dont fit right anymore. |
| 16:16.48 | Noxy | Annoying, but still feels great. |
| 16:17.32 | MyTie | congratulations on your contracting fat storage |
| 16:17.46 | MyTie | my wife is also on a limited consumption regimine |
| 16:18.00 | MyTie | did i spell that right? regemin |
| 16:18.15 | MyTie | ah, regime |
| 16:19.42 | MyTie | what sort of exercise do you do? my wife is doing insanity |
| 16:20.32 | Noxy | Swimming and this strange biking machine my husband uses. |
| 16:21.29 | MyTie | swimming isn't the best for reducing fat |
| 16:21.36 | hylje | fatties :3 |
| 16:21.50 | MyTie | ive lost some weight (although i didn't have much to lose) from my job golf caddying |
| 16:22.10 | fewyn | there we go |
| 16:22.12 | fewyn | i feel better |
| 16:22.16 | fewyn | i made a sandvich |
| 16:22.31 | hylje | sandwich |
| 16:22.35 | hylje | sand witch |
| 16:22.44 | MyTie | what kind of sandwich, fewyn |
| 16:22.49 | fewyn | bologna and cheese |
| 16:22.51 | fewyn | nothing fancy |
| 16:23.01 | fewyn | forgot to eat breakfast |
| 16:23.06 | fewyn | i'll make lunch in a few hours |
| 16:23.09 | Noxy | swimming is great for joints/general fitness though. |
| 16:23.10 | MyTie | i haven't eaten balogna in... at least... well.. 15 years |
| 16:23.16 | Noxy | Wont have the pool for much longer though. |
| 16:23.32 | fewyn | poor noxy |
| 16:23.36 | fewyn | we have a pool |
| 16:23.39 | fewyn | i rarely use it |
| 16:23.47 | fewyn | because there's too much shade in the backyard |
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| 16:23.55 | fewyn | so the water is always too cold |
| 16:24.05 | MyTie | if you really want to lose a lot of weight, you should do circuit training, and eat nothing but eggs. You'll shed pounds of fat faster than with a knife, but on the downside you'll fart constantly |
| 16:24.15 | Noxy | the apartment complex will have one, but I'm sure it'll be overly chlorinated. ): |
| 16:24.37 | MyTie | the farts will smell like burning sulfer |
| 16:25.25 | Noxy | nah, that sort of diet will just make you crash harder when you try to go back to eating regular food. I'm just doing it gently, lifestyle changes. |
| 16:25.41 | Noxy | speaking of farting, time for lunch. |
| 16:26.06 | MyTie | farting makes you think of lunch? |
| 16:26.07 | fewyn | fart |
| 16:27.21 | MyTie | well, that's enough for me... bye |
| 16:28.04 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] Mists of Pandaria Rare Spawns: Lost and Found Preview - http://www.wowhead.com/news=206309/mists-of-pandaria-rare-spawns-lost-and-found-preview |
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| 16:47.29 | nerkel | Kinda quiet |
| 16:54.25 | fewyn | oh man i found a ghastly gibus hat |
| 16:58.59 | fewyn | ah it's because dominated a player with the hat |
| 16:59.00 | fewyn | coolio |
| 17:03.08 | nerkel | You're playing TF2 now Fewyn? |
| 17:03.36 | fewyn | i did for a little bit |
| 17:03.47 | fewyn | just screwing around |
| 17:03.52 | fewyn | working on my strange minigun kills |
| 17:04.01 | nerkel | Nice |
| 17:04.03 | nerkel | I play as well |
| 17:04.11 | nerkel | I am setting up my second Idle account right now |
| 17:04.24 | fewyn | idle accounts are too much effort |
| 17:04.27 | fewyn | i used to do that too |
| 17:04.36 | nerkel | Naw, I leave mine on when working, or jogging |
| 17:04.43 | nerkel | It's free items that I don't have to play for |
| 17:06.02 | fewyn | http://www.optf2.com/tf2/user/76561198011100293 so many old crates |
| 17:06.30 | nerkel | http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197981684673 |
| 17:06.51 | fewyn | oh they do loadouts on tf2items? |
| 17:07.05 | fewyn | http://www.tf2items.com/id/fewyn |
| 17:08.09 | nerkel | Lots o' good stuff there |
| 17:09.31 | nerkel | I recently traded off a bunch of hats for services |
| 17:28.02 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] Patch 5.0.5 Notes, Blizzard's Jade Forest Preview - http://www.wowhead.com/news=206342/patch-5-0-5-notes-blizzards-jade-forest-preview |
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| 17:33.03 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] Patch 5.0.5 Notes, Jade Forest Preview - http://www.wowhead.com/news=206342/patch-5-0-5-notes-jade-forest-preview |
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| 18:17.19 | dewd | hello? |
| 18:19.23 | dewd | wanted to know if it´s a bug in the activity feed if a player has won Mountain o' Mounts every day or every second day |
| 18:19.34 | g0urra | working as intended |
| 18:19.55 | dewd | that means? |
| 18:20.08 | g0urra | it means it's working as intended |
| 18:20.10 | g0urra | can't you read? |
| 18:20.18 | eidyia | dewd: not a bug |
| 18:20.43 | dewd | so the player wins new mounts .. like every day or what is it? :D |
| 18:21.35 | eidyia | you mean on the wow website, r? |
| 18:22.35 | dewd | yes |
| 18:23.03 | eidyia | link it |
| 18:23.07 | fewyn | http://i.imgur.com/XIELY.gif |
| 18:23.10 | dewd | like. the achievement ,. the person had it 17 hrs ago and again 1 hour ago |
| 18:23.10 | eidyia | your feed |
| 18:23.23 | eidyia | fewyn: lol |
| 18:26.01 | dewd | well doesn´t matter if i post the feed. it´s always there. so does the player win or share mounts through his account? .. |
| 18:26.37 | eidyia | i don't see that in my feed |
| 18:26.40 | eidyia | so - not sure what's up |
| 18:26.44 | eidyia | unrelated: |
| 18:27.00 | eidyia | are people noticing when you zone in to a place you get a message about your skills you've learned? |
| 18:27.17 | fewyn | that should have been fixed today |
| 18:27.22 | fewyn | in the new patch |
| 18:27.24 | fewyn | in the us |
| 18:27.28 | fewyn | na |
| 18:27.30 | eidyia | ah - cool |
| 18:27.59 | dewd | fewyn ..the mount issue fixed or what issue ? |
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| 18:31.01 | Quark | Is there a patch today? |
| 18:32.27 | eidyia | yah |
| 18:32.28 | eidyia | 5.0.5 |
| 18:32.52 | eidyia | if i read the notes right…i think that was today |
| 18:33.19 | eidyia | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/7198941/World_of_Warcraft_Patch_505_Notes-9_11_2012 |
| 18:33.37 | Quark | Thanks. Reading. |
| 18:33.50 | eidyia | np |
| 18:34.36 | Jammer | if one person takes 6/8 hc guild save and clears it with some random group can the guild still extend it the next week? |
| 18:34.54 | eidyia | yah - it's an individual lock |
| 18:34.59 | eidyia | that person just can't join |
| 18:35.08 | eidyia | else people will be prompted to join his lock |
| 18:35.19 | Jammer | even if it's after reset? |
| 18:35.35 | eidyia | raid id's are individual |
| 18:35.44 | eidyia | so - 1 person can extend it for themselves |
| 18:35.53 | eidyia | they should be lead, zone in first after extending the lock |
| 18:36.00 | eidyia | then everyone else will be prompted to join that lock |
| 18:36.22 | dewd | so for my concern. the person did win a mount yesterday and today? .. just wanted to know to know if the person was active at that time. |
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| 18:46.11 | Jammer | eidyia: so basically you could take 10man raid clear 7/8 and then clear last boss 10 times with different alts |
| 18:46.25 | eidyia | no |
| 18:46.31 | eidyia | it's individual - not account |
| 18:46.41 | eidyia | if toonA clears 7/8 |
| 18:46.52 | eidyia | toonB, toonC, etc. will need to still do 7/8 |
| 18:46.56 | eidyia | that's not a shared lock |
| 18:47.08 | eidyia | you get locked when you down a boss |
| 18:47.10 | Jammer | no I mean you take each of the 10 people that cleared 7 bosses |
| 18:47.15 | Jammer | then each of those lead their own raid to last boss |
| 18:47.16 | eidyia | oh |
| 18:47.22 | eidyia | yah |
| 18:47.26 | eidyia | they could |
| 18:48.02 | eidyia | not sure people would actually do that... |
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| 18:48.10 | eidyia | as the last boss is harder and people usually down it with their group |
| 18:48.27 | Jammer | yep indeed |
| 18:48.29 | Amarande | eidyia: heh, 6/8 would be more rational in that light with DS, then |
| 18:48.40 | Amarande | it's generally accepted, at least on heroic, that Spine is a goodly amount harder than Madness |
| 18:48.59 | Amarande | heh, possibly even to the kind of degree often seen in, say, JRPGs and FPS |
| 18:49.41 | Amarande | where often the second to last boss is actually the hardest one, and in FPS (see DOOM II and a lot of its full-level replacements as good examples especially) the second to last level actually tends to be the climax in difficulty terms |
| 18:49.48 | eidyia | you could Jammer take a group and do 7/8 in 10m, then run 10 groups doing the last boss, but i doubt you'd find many people who'd just want to do the last boss - as the loot throughout the whole run is of value |
| 18:53.54 | Jammer | well if people just want mount :p |
| 18:54.06 | Jammer | especially now towards end of expansion |
| 18:54.33 | Stormscape | oh look, Steam finally supports install paths, something every other program has supported since the dawn of physical storage. |
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| 19:01.49 | *** topic/#wowhead is Welcome to the official Wowhead channel - IRC rules/stats at http://www.wowhead.com/irc |
| 19:02.34 | Stormscape | Remember how Blizzard said the new talent system would eliminate cookie cutter specs? Well they were wrong. Go check out wowpopular.com, everybody's using only 1 spec. |
| 19:02.59 | Stormscape | for some classes it's really hilarious, even the unpopular specs are exactly the same except for 1 talent |
| 19:03.15 | Stormscape | http://wowpopular.com/Hunter/Talents date vareity |
| 19:03.20 | Stormscape | *dat |
| 19:03.24 | fewyn | yep |
| 19:03.28 | hylje | they just failed at balancing as usual despite rigging the game into actually having a chance |
| 19:04.06 | Amarande | has it been determined that there's a significant advantage to these specs, or is everyone just playing follow the leader? |
| 19:04.24 | Amarande | EJ seemed to be distinctly silent on 5.0 pre-information compared to earlier ages of Azeroth |
| 19:04.43 | Stormscape | http://wowpopular.com/Priest/Shadow/Talents why would anybody ever take void tendrils though, that seems so useless for well |
| 19:04.45 | Amarande | in fact, EJ often hadn't updated many specs even to 4.3 when that was out for oh, almost a year |
| 19:04.45 | Stormscape | everything |
| 19:04.49 | Stormscape | wouldn't mobs just 1 shot them? |
| 19:05.11 | Amarande | for that matter, how are people choosing level 90 talents already? |
| 19:05.19 | Amarande | or are you able to pick all your talents from the get-go and they just don't kick in till then? |
| 19:06.22 | Amarande | I see frost is super popular, and that I didn't pick the cookie cutter build |
| 19:08.30 | Amarande | I took Cold Snap instead of Cauterize :P |
| 19:10.50 | eidyia | I think specs will shift once people start getting into leveling/raiding again |
| 19:10.53 | eidyia | or pvp |
| 19:11.09 | eidyia | i started with the recommended core build - but already shifting it around |
| 19:11.15 | eidyia | especially when i can change on the fly with dust |
| 19:35.54 | Stormscape | If I ever got the Chef title, I'd make a character named Ramsay and just type in all CAPS. |
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| 19:39.17 | Jaslan | hella all |
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| 20:13.27 | Expociia | hey, anyone wanna send a scrolling of resurrection? |
| 20:16.30 | g0urra | scrolls Noxy's resurrection |
| 20:17.17 | Expociia | is still dead.. |
| 20:17.39 | Noxy | hoobah what now? |
| 20:17.42 | Noxy | Oh |
| 20:17.57 | Noxy | Hello! |
| 20:18.04 | g0urra | hai! |
| 20:18.05 | Noxy | Are you EU or US? |
| 20:18.10 | Noxy | nibbles g0urra |
| 20:18.19 | g0urra | tickles Noxy |
| 20:18.53 | Expociia | eu |
| 20:19.57 | Noxy | I am US, so I cannot help you, but there are some EU users in here that can send you a scroll. |
| 20:20.24 | Expociia | Ok, i'll wait for someone to notice. I thought everyone would be happy for a free mount. |
| 20:20.38 | Noxy | This channel is often slow, or at least, it has been recently. |
| 20:21.19 | Noxy | Mmk :3 |
| 20:21.28 | Expociia | people should start returning soon when mop is around the corner.. |
| 20:21.56 | Stormscape | I need another hard drive but I can't decide if I want a 3TB Caviar Green or a 4TB Hitachi |
| 20:22.01 | Noxy | They are, its very slowly getting more and more active in here. But the business comes-and-goes. |
| 20:22.04 | Stormscape | green is cheaper per gigabyte but Hitachi is more space |
| 20:22.05 | fewyn | why not both |
| 20:22.11 | Stormscape | fewyn because I don't need 23 |
| 20:22.12 | Stormscape | *2 |
| 20:22.16 | fewyn | why not! |
| 20:22.22 | fewyn | you can never have enough hdd space |
| 20:22.27 | Noxy | Is the HD actually green? |
| 20:22.40 | Noxy | If so get the green one. Green is best colour. |
| 20:22.51 | g0urra | no Noxy, they aren't green |
| 20:22.53 | fewyn | moo: os: Microsoft Windows 8 Pro - (6.2.9200) up: 1wk 3days 17hrs 16mins 41secs cpu: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 870 @ 2.93GHz (x64) at 2934MHz (35% Load) gfx: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. AMD Radeon Graphics Processor (0x6739) 1.00GB res: x bit Hz ram: 8195/16382MB (50.03%) [|||||-----] hdd: C:\ 63.44GB/111.45GB D:\ 664.39GB/931.51GB E:\ 1.11TB/1.82TB net: Realtek PCIe GBE Family |
| 20:22.53 | fewyn | Controller - 1000MB/s 134.5MB In 19.82MB Out |
| 20:22.58 | g0urra | I have one of those "green" ones myself |
| 20:23.00 | Noxy | Lame. |
| 20:23.14 | g0urra | paints Noxy's HD pink |
| 20:23.19 | Noxy | pfff no |
| 20:23.26 | g0urra | paints Noxy's HD green |
| 20:23.28 | fewyn | WD green drives come with a GREEN STICKER |
| 20:23.42 | Noxy | when I was getting the parts for my PC build I was trying to find everything with green LEDs |
| 20:23.44 | fewyn | they come in green blue and black varieties |
| 20:24.15 | Noxy | But all the LEDs in my tower are blue ): |
| 20:24.34 | Noxy | I have this giant awesome heatsink inside that glows green surrounded by all this blue shit |
| 20:24.54 | fewyn | i have to turn my leds off |
| 20:24.58 | fewyn | because i can't sleep otherwise |
| 20:25.07 | Noxy | ... turn off your pc? |
| 20:25.14 | g0urra | my computer generates too much heat for me to sleep |
| 20:25.19 | g0urra | so I turn it off every night |
| 20:25.22 | fewyn | turn off my pc? |
| 20:25.26 | g0urra | yes |
| 20:25.28 | Ward | I don´t have a computer in my bedroom |
| 20:25.31 | fewyn | what is this 1995? |
| 20:25.32 | Ward | my bedroom has no electronics |
| 20:25.36 | Ward | except lights and an alarm |
| 20:25.45 | fewyn | Windows7 Uptime: 1wk 3days 17hrs 19mins 58secs Best: 4wks 5days 23hrs 44mins 34secs |
| 20:25.49 | Noxy | Mine wont, when my husband and I finally get our own place. |
| 20:25.50 | lhavelund | eyes Ward |
| 20:26.00 | g0urra | do you put it in hibernation or sleep? |
| 20:26.04 | g0urra | or do you always have it on? |
| 20:26.09 | fewyn | always on |
| 20:26.11 | Noxy | But not everyone here is an adult with their own home. |
| 20:26.15 | Ward | I like a minimalist sleeping enviroment |
| 20:26.15 | fewyn | it's the "server" for the house |
| 20:26.22 | g0urra | doesn't have his own home either |
| 20:26.23 | fewyn | for all our media |
| 20:26.31 | fewyn | which i want to offload to it's own system soon |
| 20:26.42 | Noxy | When I used to live at home, I'd leave my PC on at night because the gentle hum helped me sleep. |
| 20:27.23 | Noxy | Then that PC exploded |
| 20:28.42 | fewyn | my computer literally caught on fire a few months ago |
| 20:32.04 | Noxy | I remember that :D |
| 20:32.10 | Noxy | melty photos |
| 20:40.20 | Ward | when I lived in the dorms, I broke the leds on my PC |
| 20:40.33 | Ward | opened the case, and bent to em all inward |
| 20:44.00 | Stormscape | Looking at the pricing of these drives per gigabyte, I feel like Seagate's pricing really screams "you get what you pay for" |
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| 20:56.31 | Stormscape | I expect an emergency patch shortly. |
| 20:56.44 | Stormscape | Everything in /1 is being shown 2-3 times when you type it |
| 20:57.20 | fewyn | not me |
| 20:57.27 | fewyn | you sure it's not an addon |
| 20:58.02 | Amarande | hrm. is the Theramore event actually open now? |
| 20:58.15 | Amarande | I've noticed it's changed from "you need a higher level" to "sorry you need moar gear" |
| 20:58.16 | fewyn | next week |
| 20:58.28 | fewyn | 1 week only at level 85 |
| 20:59.27 | Amarande | "This realm is being restarted to resolve various issues. Cross realm restart in 15:00" |
| 20:59.31 | Amarande | guess there is an emergency patch coming |
| 21:00.31 | fewyn | not a patch but a hotfix probably |
| 21:00.33 | Amarande | Rolling restarts for all realms |
| 21:01.06 | Amarande | and apparently there's a fairly (for recent 85's anyway) stringent gear requirement for Theramore too :P |
| 21:01.23 | Amarande | I don't remember there being strict gear requirements for any previous pre-expansion events :| |
| 21:03.35 | Stormscape | well this one is different |
| 21:03.38 | Stormscape | you can do it at 90 |
| 21:04.21 | Amarande | ah, the scenario remains available throughout mop? |
| 21:04.36 | Stormscape | Yes |
| 21:06.05 | fewyn | then sometime after mop releases (probably 5.1) thermore will go byebye |
| 21:06.12 | fewyn | but scenario will still exist |
| 21:07.48 | Eraclito | i hope when theramore will go byebye they'll update the zone |
| 21:07.52 | Eraclito | i mean, questing and stuff |
| 21:08.10 | fewyn | they will |
| 21:08.43 | Eraclito | when i leveled my new toon (the 12th one) i was like... ok stonetalon, ok southern barrens, went to brackenwall or whatscalled i saw a trillion of quests i skipped dustwallow and i did dungeons until thousand needles |
| 21:10.08 | Stormscape | hah, General is still bugged on Area 52 |
| 21:10.30 | Eraclito | bugged? |
| 21:10.58 | Amarande | hmm, I think these so called cookie cutter builds may be from beta, which would explain the relative lack of variety |
| 21:11.41 | Amarande | especially given the large number that have a level 90 talent chosen |
| 21:11.59 | Amarande | (also, beta may have imbalances that did not appear on live) |
| 21:12.58 | Djones_ | Or |
| 21:13.08 | Djones_ | As always |
| 21:13.08 | Djones_ | x is better than y |
| 21:13.27 | Djane | Cookie cutter builds will always exist in a system such as wow. |
| 21:13.36 | Djane | Where a measurable competetive edge can be maintained. |
| 21:14.00 | Djane | the only thing the new talent system is changing is moving the momentum away from Tier cookie cutter builds to Fight specific cookie cutter builds, which actually top raiders were doing anyways |
| 21:15.48 | Jammer | it's also limiting/giving you more choices on the interesting stuff |
| 21:16.00 | Jammer | like can have 1 cc only but can choose between 3 different types |
| 21:17.10 | Jammer | I like they made it pretty simple now, cause in practice you had those must have talents you needed to take anyway |
| 21:17.37 | Jammer | now choice A might be stronger than B and C but probably not by huge margin |
| 21:19.14 | fewyn | debating if i want to move wow to my ssdeez or not |
| 21:21.08 | Djane | fewyn, doesn't really make much difference I believe. |
| 21:22.10 | fewyn | FASTER LOADING |
| 21:22.12 | fewyn | FAAAAAASTER |
| 21:22.25 | fewyn | must shave off that 2ms |
| 21:22.56 | Amarande | I'm still wondering what the reason for caster DPS to need more hit in heroics is, though |
| 21:23.13 | Amarande | From what I've seen, it looks like you need 2% less hit in raids, but you need WAY more hit in heroics (12% now it looks like) |
| 21:23.30 | Amarande | Physical DPS did not get any alterations to their hit needs, it looks like, OTOH |
| 21:23.52 | fewyn | oh hey they did the currency conversion today |
| 21:24.05 | Amarande | doesn't really seem any rationale for making it harder on casters in heroics *shrug* |
| 21:24.32 | fewyn | they did the currency conversion today |
| 21:24.34 | fewyn | for NA |
| 21:24.36 | fewyn | http://uplol.fewyn.net/2012-09-11_17-24-14.jpg |
| 21:24.49 | Amarande | Unless maybe they're trying to do it in order to cut back on the glut of mages that arrived with Cata (due to the relative convenience of getting around vs. other classes when the portals were gone in Shattrath/Dala) |
| 21:28.51 | Djane | No. |
| 21:29.15 | Amarande | Well, it seems like a silly notion anyway. |
| 21:29.38 | Amarande | 12% hit even for heroics means that caster DPS have to spend more time gearing up for heroics, no? |
| 21:30.21 | Amarande | Which ... seems like a fairly dumb thing to do, given that that means more grinding dungeons for JP and gear drops even to be optimal for 5-man |
| 21:30.29 | Stormscape | OH MY LAWDY http://www.reddit.com/r/metacanada |
| 21:30.30 | Amarande | and DPS get to do fewer dungeons on average, not more (due to greater queue times) |
| 21:30.52 | Amarande | and two caster DPS classes (mage and warlock) don't even have the option of switching to a tank or healer spec to improve said rate |
| 21:30.53 | Stormscape | Man it must suck to not be a class that gets hit from spirit |
| 21:30.58 | Stormscape | I can get hit so easy |
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| 21:31.15 | Djane | Stormscape, not really. |
| 21:31.21 | Amarande | Storm: I'm pretty sure only classes with healer specs get that benefit :P |
| 21:31.44 | Stormscape | yeah and there's usually fuck tons of spirit on healer gear because they're supposed to have toooons of it |
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| 21:31.47 | Djane | The idea that getting hit would be hard is dependant on the idea that getting gear is hard. |
| 21:31.48 | Amarande | soo ... druids, shamans, and priests |
| 21:31.49 | Stormscape | so I have to reforge most of it away |
| 21:32.00 | Djane | Since getting gear is roflstomp easy |
| 21:32.03 | Djane | getting hit is roflstomp easy. |
| 21:32.08 | Stormscape | ^ |
| 21:32.20 | Stormscape | if you can't get 12% hit for a Heroic, perhaps WoW isn't for you |
| 21:32.37 | Amarande | (Paladins don't have a caster DPS spec anyway, and I'd presume that if you wanted to optimise gear acquisition rate as a pally you'd want to tank anyway) |
| 21:32.54 | Amarande | hell, if you want to optimise anything as a pally, you'd want to tank anyway :) |
| 21:32.58 | Mr_Rabies | hell, i've reforged all my hit off on my feral druid and i still am almost at hit cap |
| 21:33.01 | Amarande | because prot pally is just THAT GOOD |
| 21:33.13 | Mr_Rabies | i'm at 7.37% reforging every piece that has hit on it off to another stat |
| 21:33.35 | Amarande | Djane: are you referring to getting gear via dungeons, or getting gear via keeping up the dailies grind and spending the gold on the auction house? |
| 21:33.48 | Mr_Rabies | and 15.18% spell hit, somehow |
| 21:33.52 | Djane | I wasn't aware any of that is hard? |
| 21:33.52 | Mr_Rabies | i thought they were normalized O_o |
| 21:33.56 | Amarande | what I'm noting is that the rate of getting gear via dungeons is a function of how many dungeons you do during a given time period |
| 21:34.08 | Djane | And? |
| 21:34.09 | Amarande | for a pure DPS class, you gear up slower, because you do fewer dungeons during a given time period because your queues are longer. |
| 21:34.15 | Djane | Not relaly. |
| 21:34.17 | Djane | really* |
| 21:34.25 | Stormscape | queues pretty much cap at 10 minutes nowadays |
| 21:34.26 | Djane | because you use that time to do other things |
| 21:34.29 | Djane | ^ |
| 21:34.29 | Stormscape | because of the bags |
| 21:34.36 | Mr_Rabies | you do gear up slower, but it's still insanely quick |
| 21:34.37 | Djane | And cross realm stuff now too |
| 21:34.45 | Djane | You don't really gear up slower |
| 21:34.46 | Stormscape | I can't even take a poop in 10 minutes |
| 21:34.50 | Djane | You only gear up slower each day |
| 21:34.57 | Mr_Rabies | honestly, i hope to never pug again via normal means |
| 21:35.01 | Amarande | also, you'd think that they'd make it easier, not harder, to gear for heroics for another reason: |
| 21:35.03 | Mr_Rabies | i'll be doing 5 mans with my friends hopefully |
| 21:35.03 | Stormscape | I've had multiple times where I hit queue as DPS |
| 21:35.04 | fewyn | anyone know what level granting stops at for RAF? |
| 21:35.05 | Amarande | there are no normal dungeons at level 90 in MoP |
| 21:35.07 | Stormscape | and get it instantly |
| 21:35.09 | Stormscape | fewyn: 80 afaik |
| 21:35.14 | Djane | Amarande, why do you think it's hard? |
| 21:35.17 | fewyn | ok that's what i thought |
| 21:35.18 | Amarande | instead, level 90 dungeons and heroics are synonymous |
| 21:35.18 | Djane | in any way? |
| 21:35.22 | Djane | Wow throws loot at you constantly |
| 21:35.23 | Stormscape | So? |
| 21:35.24 | Amarande | Djane: the hit cap used to be significantly lower for +2 levels |
| 21:35.28 | Stormscape | So? |
| 21:35.29 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i don't know why they did that Amarande :| |
| 21:35.32 | Amarande | I'm wondering what the specific reason they raised it was |
| 21:35.39 | Mr_Rabies | why even call them heroics |
| 21:35.39 | Djane | Not to mention it's easy enough to do dungeons in crap gear anyways |
| 21:35.45 | Djane | In wrath you could do dungeons naked |
| 21:35.46 | Amarande | especially since they didn't do anything with the non-caster hit caps |
| 21:35.50 | Djane | Like, for reals. |
| 21:35.57 | Amarande | (it is nice that they lowered the raid hit cap for casters, though) |
| 21:35.59 | Djane | You could meet all the heroic requirements with ZERO gear on, as a dps. |
| 21:36.05 | Stormscape | Yes they did, you'll get dodged like a motherfucker without 7.5% expertise |
| 21:36.09 | Djane | In cata the same wa salmost mostly true. |
| 21:36.32 | Mr_Rabies | they're easy as hell and there's no harder version, why not just drop the heroic tag |
| 21:36.36 | Amarande | oh right, expertise |
| 21:36.38 | Stormscape | I fail to see how 15% hit will be hard to get without Heroic gear |
| 21:36.41 | Amarande | tells you how long it's been since I played melee :) |
| 21:36.51 | fewyn | hrm |
| 21:36.54 | Djane | Stormscape, more importantly |
| 21:36.55 | Djane | why it matter. |
| 21:36.57 | Djane | s |
| 21:36.59 | fewyn | i can't grant levels to my main account |
| 21:37.05 | fewyn | does it have to be the same realm? |
| 21:37.05 | Stormscape | you don't need to be hit capped for dungeons anyway |
| 21:37.07 | Stormscape | shit's easy |
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| 21:37.22 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: well, I presume the reason to maintain the heroic designation is because of places like Deadmines, Scholomance, SM, and legacy dungeons |
| 21:37.36 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i guess |
| 21:37.36 | Amarande | where the regular version is lower level |
| 21:37.36 | fewyn | oh |
| 21:37.44 | Mr_Rabies | i'm just kinda steamed they're so easy :( |
| 21:37.45 | fewyn | they have to be a higher level |
| 21:37.48 | Stormscape | Even if you were in full level 85 gear at level 90, you'd still have 5% hit |
| 21:37.48 | fewyn | lame |
| 21:37.54 | Stormscape | Think about that. |
| 21:37.59 | Stormscape | hit will not be hard to get. |
| 21:38.00 | Amarande | what they did away with was the idea of having cap level regular dungeons as a separate progression stepping stone before cap level heroics |
| 21:38.17 | Mr_Rabies | reforging makes hit totally trivial to get |
| 21:38.32 | Amarande | so all the level 90 dungeons in MoP are like the Zandalari and later heroics in Cata that didn't have a regular version |
| 21:38.35 | Mr_Rabies | to the point that i don't even see the point in having it on gear anymore, it might as well be baseline |
| 21:38.37 | Stormscape | and really as long as you're within 2% of the cap you're high enough for dungeons |
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| 21:39.05 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: heh, between that and the Blizzard gear simplification initiative starting with 4.0 |
| 21:39.13 | Amarande | sometimes I've quipped that eventually we'll just have a single stat for PvE |
| 21:39.17 | Amarande | we can call it awesome or something like that |
| 21:39.17 | Mr_Rabies | i love the gear simplification initiative |
| 21:39.30 | Mr_Rabies | i think gear should be more simple than it is now, even |
| 21:39.35 | Amarande | Awesome rating increases all spec-appropriate stats. Gear with more awesome rating is an improvement, and that's all you need, heh |
| 21:39.50 | Mr_Rabies | like, instead of ratings, show "Adds 1.29% hit" etc |
| 21:40.01 | Mr_Rabies | sure, it'll change as you level up |
| 21:40.13 | Amarande | Or maybe, PvE Power and PvE Defence? heh |
| 21:40.28 | Stormscape | Amarande they'd never do that because it'd be too simple |
| 21:40.28 | Amarande | to go along with how they've for years made PvP basically a single-stat affair (well, double stat now) |
| 21:40.31 | Gnarfoz | it's certainly more confusing vor items to change around as your level changes. |
| 21:40.33 | Mr_Rabies | it'll be weird to see gear get effectively weaker, but i'm perfectly okay with that |
| 21:40.33 | Stormscape | you might as well play an FPS at that point |
| 21:40.57 | Amarande | Stormscape: yeah, and I did not regard the PvP single-statting to be a good thing either, actually :) |
| 21:41.07 | Stormscape | who gives a shit about PvP |
| 21:41.07 | Amarande | it was like ... idc what your other stats are, HOW MUCH RESIL? |
| 21:41.20 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, pvp's pretty much dead to me, i haven't done any since 4.1 |
| 21:41.33 | Mr_Rabies | arenas are a blight on the game, in my opinion |
| 21:41.38 | Stormscape | I haven't PvPed since 2.4 |
| 21:41.39 | Amarande | OTOH, rating decay has pretty much made PvE a single stat affair too in most cases |
| 21:41.42 | Stormscape | Meditate on that. |
| 21:41.45 | fewyn | http://uplol.fewyn.net/2012-09-11_17-40-37.jpg |
| 21:41.53 | Amarande | with every expansion, the need to push people to better gear results in the ratings decaying more and more |
| 21:41.58 | Stormscape | >701 days |
| 21:42.01 | Stormscape | confirmed supernerd |
| 21:42.19 | Amarande | to the point that rating points are basically just sugar on top, because a primary stat point ends up having 9000x as much weight as a rating point |
| 21:42.34 | Amarande | it's related to the "green gems almost always suck" phenomenon, too, really heh |
| 21:42.38 | Mr_Rabies | i'm up to 386d, and i took two years off between ZA and May 2010 |
| 21:42.44 | Stormscape | ha, it's /never/ been that way for shadow priests |
| 21:42.52 | Stormscape | We've been playing 3 stat juggling for years now |
| 21:43.42 | Amarande | I suppose they could cure this by fixing up the ratings and stat systems so there aren't huge jumps in gear with each expansion and there isn't anywhere near as much of a drive to upgrade gear frequently |
| 21:43.59 | Stormscape | this is a gear based game, that'd kill it. |
| 21:44.02 | Amarande | much like, say, LOTRO, where you often upgrade gear at a fairly glacial pace even across expansion cap boundaries |
| 21:44.18 | Amarande | and some gear items last you ten levels or more (again, even across expansion cap boundaries) |
| 21:45.05 | Gnarfoz | fewyn: install LifePercent :F |
| 21:45.12 | Amarande | also, we could probably use a smoothing of the gear progression anyway |
| 21:45.24 | Amarande | as anyone who's hit 80 on a new character since cata can say :P |
| 21:45.27 | Stormscape | I'd never play a game with gear progression that slow |
| 21:45.30 | Djane | Wut |
| 21:45.32 | Djane | Wait, wut. |
| 21:45.39 | Djane | How is the gear progression not smooth? |
| 21:45.47 | Stormscape | gear progression is stupidly smooth |
| 21:45.47 | Djane | You go levelling greens, blues, purples... |
| 21:45.48 | Amarande | Djane: the jumps at 60/70/80 |
| 21:45.53 | Djane | What jumps? |
| 21:45.53 | Stormscape | what about them? |
| 21:46.01 | Stormscape | they're pretty much invisible |
| 21:46.08 | Stormscape | the quest mobs are designed to be killed in greens |
| 21:46.10 | JunkHead | wakes up, throws a LOTRO disc on the ground, shits on it, then leaves again. |
| 21:46.17 | Amarande | especially 80, where you've probably been humming along happily, enjoying the world as you level and OMG WTF IT'S LIKE EVERY MOB IS ELITE ALL OF A SUDDEN |
| 21:46.25 | Stormscape | maybe if you're bad |
| 21:46.27 | Stormscape | be less bad |
| 21:46.45 | Stormscape | which is sound advice for any video game |
| 21:46.51 | Stormscape | if you're suddenly finding it hard, get better |
| 21:46.53 | Amarande | Storm: there is a very large and sudden upgrade in mob power when you go from Northrend to Vashj'ir or Hyjal |
| 21:46.58 | JunkHead | I'm actually gonna gree with Stormscape here. Once you hit 80, mobs aren't that bad. |
| 21:47.02 | Djane | Amarande, no there isn't. |
| 21:47.02 | Stormscape | Yeah it's called difficulty |
| 21:47.06 | Amarande | that's the kind of "progression smoothing" I was speaking of |
| 21:47.18 | Djane | there is a significant difference of mob difficulty from say, Howling Fjord and Hyjal |
| 21:47.18 | Stormscape | if they made those mobs any easier I'd be 1 shotting them |
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| 21:47.23 | Djane | Go to the harder zones of icecrown |
| 21:47.25 | Stormscape | I was 2 shotting them at 80 in greens |
| 21:47.26 | Stormscape | on my mage |
| 21:47.28 | Djane | they're harder than the opening zones of hyjal |
| 21:47.32 | Stormscape | my mage was in greens |
| 21:47.36 | JunkHead | and if they are, for some reason a little tough... you'll have 2-3 upgrades in about 10 quests. |
| 21:47.42 | Djane | Not my fault you got to 80 before you did Icecrown or stom peaks. |
| 21:47.45 | Amarande | Djane: that's because in the harder parts of Icecrown, most of the mobs actually *are* elite :) |
| 21:47.46 | Djane | storm* |
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| 21:47.52 | Djane | Amarande, and yet not. |
| 21:47.57 | Djane | only some bosses. |
| 21:48.07 | Stormscape | I found late Icecrown far harder than Hyjal or Vashj'ir |
| 21:48.17 | Djane | Because it is |
| 21:48.23 | Amarande | And actually most people hit 80 well before Icecrown or Storm Peaks in LK too |
| 21:48.24 | JunkHead | Group quests made the achievements hard to get.:( |
| 21:48.27 | alayton | if you dont think theres a substantial difficulty jump when leveling at 80, youre either trolling or ignorant |
| 21:48.37 | Stormscape | wait what no |
| 21:48.38 | Djane | No. |
| 21:48.41 | Stormscape | I was done Storm Peaks before 80 |
| 21:48.42 | Amarande | Junk: and isn't there still at least the one quest in Icecrown that can't be soloed even at 85 in BiS? |
| 21:48.55 | Stormscape | I /had/ to go to icecrown because I ran out of content |
| 21:49.01 | Djane | Stormscape, but you hit 80 before cata |
| 21:49.07 | Stormscape | Djane i meanto n my mage |
| 21:49.09 | JunkHead | Not that I know of.I went back at 85 and did IC 100% as best to my knowledge |
| 21:49.10 | Stormscape | that I levelled in Cata |
| 21:49.15 | Amarande | Storm: you did every single quest in the other zones of Northrend and didn't hit 80? |
| 21:49.17 | Djane | Stormscape, then you're weird :P |
| 21:49.24 | Stormscape | I never do Borean Tundra |
| 21:49.26 | Stormscape | fuck Borean Tundra |
| 21:49.28 | Djane | The point is you can hit 80 before you get out of grizzly hills nowadays |
| 21:49.32 | Djane | and if you're going grizzly hills to Hyjal |
| 21:49.35 | Djane | then of course it's a jump |
| 21:49.39 | Djane | THAT'S the jump |
| 21:49.44 | Djane | not cata content |
| 21:49.49 | Djane | going from mid northrend to cata. |
| 21:49.56 | Amarande | Djane: and even if you do most of the rest of northrend, it's still a fairly large jump |
| 21:49.56 | Djane | And within 10 quests lol easy again. |
| 21:49.59 | Djane | No, it isn't. |
| 21:50.05 | Stormscape | I do Howling Fjord 68-71, Dragonblight for 71-72, Grizzly for 72-74 |
| 21:50.06 | Djane | Late ICC and SP is HARDER than hyjal |
| 21:50.11 | Amarande | if you do quests only and no dungeons |
| 21:50.11 | Djane | mobs have more health, they hit harder |
| 21:50.13 | Stormscape | ZF for 74-77 |
| 21:50.17 | Stormscape | Storm Peaks for 77-79 |
| 21:50.18 | JunkHead | Usually though, questing like that, in that level zone, do some dungeons too. so mater you might get some gear. |
| 21:50.18 | Djane | They're more of them, they have more complicated mechanics |
| 21:50.21 | Stormscape | then Icecrown for 79-80 |
| 21:50.24 | Amarande | you're still not going to have better than i174 when you leave for Cata |
| 21:50.30 | Stormscape | which is plenty |
| 21:50.31 | JunkHead | being 79 in grizzly hills gear will make you scuk at 80. |
| 21:50.34 | Djane | Amarande, lol |
| 21:50.42 | JunkHead | but hell, do HoS, orHoL too. |
| 21:50.45 | Djane | If you do icc you'll be in full i200's |
| 21:51.07 | Djane | And that's just hyjal |
| 21:51.15 | Djane | vashj'ir is a laughable joke in comparison |
| 21:51.15 | JunkHead | I will agree that the jump from GH to Hyjal would be brutal... but... why would you do that? |
| 21:51.23 | Djane | JunkHead, because people hit 80 in GH |
| 21:51.26 | Amarande | Yeah, that's one of the other things about the jump |
| 21:51.35 | JunkHead | if you can hit 80 in grizzly, that means you probably should've skipped grizzly |
| 21:51.42 | Djane | Yes, but they don't. |
| 21:51.43 | Stormscape | Vashj'ir requires literally no skill at all |
| 21:51.45 | Stormscape | for the first 1/3 |
| 21:51.45 | JunkHead | I usually hit 80 in gundrak |
| 21:51.48 | JunkHead | or zuldrak |
| 21:51.48 | Amarande | Later Northrend zones tended to rely on mob quantity rather than individual mob power, right? |
| 21:51.49 | Stormscape | you don't even need gear |
| 21:51.52 | JunkHead | whatever its called |
| 21:51.53 | Djane | JunkHead, yeah a 76 zone |
| 21:51.57 | JunkHead | yup. |
| 21:51.59 | Djane | Amarande, no. |
| 21:52.10 | Djane | Only in a couple of areas you don't actually go too anyways |
| 21:52.13 | JunkHead | if I actually do finish it... I do a few quests in IC or Storm peaks. |
| 21:52.15 | Djane | except for some group quests. |
| 21:52.23 | JunkHead | then off to hyjal. |
| 21:52.34 | JunkHead | because hyjal sucks |
| 21:52.36 | JunkHead | oops |
| 21:52.41 | JunkHead | because vashjir sucks |
| 21:52.42 | Amarande | Comparing a late (80) Northrend mob with a starter Hyjal or Vashj'ir mob, the former have 12.6K HP, the latter have 34K+ |
| 21:52.53 | Amarande | The latter also hit a good deal harder, even though they are both the same level |
| 21:53.06 | Djane | Not really |
| 21:53.08 | alayton | you go from, at best, ilvl 200 at the end of leveling in northrend to 272 in cata, and you want to argue theres a smooth progression there? |
| 21:53.12 | Djane | You're comparing easy early Icecrown mobs |
| 21:53.40 | Djane | alayton, i'm considering difficulty, not gear. |
| 21:54.00 | Djane | Since the hyjal mobs hit like girls, theres only ever 1 of them and they die in 2 shots |
| 21:54.03 | Djane | I don't consider that hard. |
| 21:54.22 | Djane | The issue with health is absolutely ignoring the dps ramp on level 80 retunings |
| 21:54.34 | Djane | Since you do 3 times the damage at 80 then you do at 79 in the same gear. |
| 21:54.40 | Amarande | Also, I was a mage this time. It's probably the most jarring on a ranged DPS class that does not have an effective tanking pet (i.e., mage, shadow priest, balance druid, most non-Demonology warlocks, possibly some non-BM hunters) |
| 21:54.41 | Djane | 5 if you're a mage. |
| 21:54.44 | JunkHead | I will say also though... vashjir would be tougher than hyjal at a shitty gear level. |
| 21:54.45 | Djane | Lol |
| 21:54.52 | Djane | level 80 mage is the easiest class to play ever |
| 21:54.54 | JunkHead | hyjal... nothing below and above you.:P |
| 21:54.55 | Djane | Arcane blast X 1000 |
| 21:54.57 | Djane | Never oom |
| 21:55.02 | Djane | one shot mobs |
| 21:55.05 | Djane | never oom |
| 21:55.08 | Amarande | The thing is that in Northrend as ranged, you tend to kill mobs before they have a chance to reach you |
| 21:55.10 | Djane | take off half your gear |
| 21:55.13 | Djane | Never oom |
| 21:55.25 | Djane | Level 80 mages are so incredibly broken I don't even. |
| 21:55.29 | Amarande | Early Cata mobs, especially before you get the gear upgrades, they will reach you and start wailing on you before you manage to kill them, since they have so much more health |
| 21:55.37 | Djane | A level 80 mage will do MORE damage than a mage in 359's at 85. |
| 21:55.51 | Djane | Amarande, if you don't do 20k dps as a mage at level 80, you're doing it wrong. |
| 21:56.02 | Djane | Arcane blast. |
| 21:56.05 | Djane | Until like, you're 85 |
| 21:56.06 | Djane | gg |
| 21:56.13 | Noxy | I do it wrong. |
| 21:56.15 | Djane | The hit on mages is level 83 |
| 21:56.20 | Noxy | plays a fire mage 8D |
| 21:56.24 | Djane | well, yes. :p |
| 21:56.28 | JunkHead | my mage was arcane/frost |
| 21:56.29 | Djane | Not AS good, but still good |
| 21:56.32 | Amarande | So either you have to let them wail on you as you cast (and Ice Barrier does not hold out for the full lifetime of even a single mob) or you have to kite, and use far less powerful instant spells like Ice Lance in order to stay on the move. |
| 21:56.33 | Djane | 15k |
| 21:56.34 | Noxy | i like the pew pew firezz |
| 21:56.42 | Noxy | pewpewpewpewpewpepwpewpewPYROBLAST |
| 21:56.47 | Amarande | Yeah, I play Frost. Arcane blast implies you're speccing Arcane. |
| 21:56.49 | Djane | That awkward moment when Amarande once again ignores everyone and goes off on his own tangent. |
| 21:56.51 | JunkHead | the only character i had problems on at 80... was my lock. |
| 21:56.58 | JunkHead | because i have no idea how to play a lock. |
| 21:57.03 | JunkHead | so i died some. |
| 21:57.07 | Djane | Amarande, so what you're saying is you found it hard because you levelled in the worst possible spec for levelling? Okay. |
| 21:57.11 | Djane | Good job, I guess? |
| 21:57.18 | Amarande | Junk: It's also because if you're not playing Demo, your pet probably is not an effective tank. |
| 21:57.20 | JunkHead | still hit 85 though. no major issues |
| 21:57.20 | Noxy | That awkward moment your husband brings you a ginger ale and it instantly gives you monstrous hiccups. |
| 21:57.21 | Djane | Protip : frost mage != mage. |
| 21:57.25 | Djane | Noxy, sad times. |
| 21:57.43 | Amarande | Therefore, you're probably spending a lot more time getting aggro and being beaten up on than you would if you were a demo lock or a hunter or a melee-oriented class. |
| 21:57.45 | JunkHead | nope. was destruction. didnt care about spec. |
| 21:57.48 | Stormscape | Apparently I have 324 days on my account |
| 21:57.50 | JunkHead | just picked one and went with it. |
| 21:57.51 | Stormscape | 252 of those days on my priest |
| 21:57.52 | Noxy | ...why am I getting the load screen of death. |
| 21:57.59 | Noxy | World server better not be down. |
| 21:58.06 | Amarande | Junk: yeah, as destro, even the voidwalker is not going to be able to hold aggro off you, generally |
| 21:58.07 | Noxy | I've been working since I woke up and I WANT TO PLAY SOME WOW. |
| 21:58.16 | Amarande | that means mobs are going for you, and that's where you hit trouble at 80 |
| 21:58.23 | JunkHead | well i never used it anyway. used imp |
| 21:58.34 | JunkHead | but i did fine once i got gear |
| 21:58.35 | Noxy | !realmstatus |
| 21:58.38 | Noxy | !realms |
| 21:58.38 | Amarande | because until you get the first set of gear upgrades from cata, you're like paper against scissors defensively |
| 21:58.41 | Noxy | fff |
| 21:58.42 | Elysa | !mop |
| 21:58.43 | fewyn | server is fine Noxy |
| 21:58.44 | Freyja | 1 week 6 days 11 hours 1 minute 19 seconds until the release of Mists of Pandaria [25th September, 2012] |
| 21:58.48 | Elysa | SOON |
| 21:58.54 | Noxy | SOOOOON AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 21:59.05 | Noxy | oh |
| 21:59.06 | Noxy | hm |
| 21:59.07 | Amarande | indeed, I really didn't have issues dealing damage in starting Cata |
| 21:59.08 | Elysa | must get GW2 character to 80 before pandas come |
| 21:59.18 | fewyn | bl2 comes out next weeeek |
| 21:59.25 | Amarande | it was the damage the mobs did that was the problem, since your health pool starts out so paper thin if you're going from NR questing into Cata |
| 21:59.27 | Elysa | ahhh so many things |
| 21:59.36 | Djane | Amarande, if you kill a mob in two hits |
| 21:59.40 | Djane | how is it still hitting you? |
| 21:59.43 | Stormscape | ^ |
| 21:59.53 | Stormscape | How did it reach you if you 2 shot it |
| 22:00.03 | Djane | and if you're not two shotting it |
| 22:00.06 | Amarande | I'm guessing this is when I should have sucked it up and switched to arcane like everyone else? :P |
| 22:00.15 | Stormscape | >not levelling as arcane |
| 22:00.16 | Stormscape | wut |
| 22:00.18 | Djane | Yeah. |
| 22:00.26 | Djane | Play however you like |
| 22:00.29 | Djane | Enjoy it, if you like. |
| 22:00.37 | Amarande | However, that's where we get into the issue we were describing earlier |
| 22:00.41 | Amarande | i.e., cookie cutter specs |
| 22:00.42 | JunkHead | when my mage hit 80, i went frost. |
| 22:00.43 | Djane | But don't try to argue that the class is bad, or there is some massive progression jump if you choose the worst thing alive. |
| 22:00.45 | JunkHead | basically... |
| 22:00.55 | JunkHead | my thinking was frostbolts slowing down mobs would help alot. |
| 22:01.03 | Djane | That's like saying cakes are bad because your cheesecak exploded. |
| 22:01.05 | JunkHead | then at like...81 i gave arcane another shot |
| 22:01.09 | Amarande | Junk: in my case, it was feeling cosy and secure because of Ice Barrier |
| 22:01.10 | JunkHead | and laughed |
| 22:01.14 | Djane | JunkHead, I know right? |
| 22:01.17 | JunkHead | i was like... wtf |
| 22:01.22 | Amarande | then getting shredded because of the huge ramp up in mob DPS |
| 22:01.23 | JunkHead | but i had been arcane before |
| 22:01.24 | Djane | Arcane broken at level 80-82 |
| 22:01.29 | JunkHead | Hell i raided as arcane in tbc |
| 22:01.31 | Djane | JunkHead, they BROKE arcane in 4.0 |
| 22:01.44 | Djane | the dps patch let you do 35k dps in epics |
| 22:01.49 | JunkHead | but hadn't really cared in wotlk about my dps. just kindashot stuff. |
| 22:01.51 | Djane | I think I did 80k on Deathwhisper |
| 22:01.57 | Djane | In wrath |
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| 22:02.06 | Djane | Arcane blast X a million |
| 22:02.23 | Djane | and once you're in cata greens, you're more geared than the best raiders |
| 22:02.26 | JunkHead | since this 5.0 patch... i haven't playe dmuch |
| 22:02.28 | Djane | And then YOU do 80k |
| 22:02.41 | JunkHead | the only 2 characters i've messed with are my warrior and shaman |
| 22:02.46 | Stormscape | a level 81 mage will do more DPS than a level 85 mage in full 410 gear |
| 22:02.47 | JunkHead | mainly my warrior, and only on old content |
| 22:02.47 | Stormscape | FACT. |
| 22:02.53 | Amarande | btw, has arcane suffered a huge power hit since 5.0 due to the mana changes? |
| 22:02.59 | Stormscape | lolno |
| 22:03.03 | Stormscape | I have infinite mana |
| 22:03.05 | Stormscape | it's amazing |
| 22:03.16 | Amarande | I've read that one of the chief reasons that Arcane was so powerful in raiding in late Cata was because of the mana pools breaking the balance of mastery out of hand |
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| 22:03.19 | JunkHead | i like my warrior still though. dont know what his dps is... but it feels fine. |
| 22:03.21 | Stormscape | the only way I can spend mana is if i chain cast Arcane Blast |
| 22:03.23 | Amarande | but now that mana pools are fixed ... |
| 22:03.27 | Djane | lolno |
| 22:03.33 | Stormscape | otherwise it won't go below 90% |
| 22:03.33 | Djane | They won't be fixed until people hit 90 |
| 22:03.40 | Djane | and costs balance out |
| 22:03.47 | Djane | Right nwo you have all the positives and none of the negatives. |
| 22:03.47 | JunkHead | i cant wait until lvl 90 though so I can do BT by myself. |
| 22:03.52 | Amarande | Djane: I mean fixed as in every mage of X level has the same amount of mana |
| 22:04.06 | Stormscape | playing arcane properly (ABx6, Barrage, missiles if you want) |
| 22:04.10 | Stormscape | you cannot spend your mana |
| 22:04.12 | Amarande | the reason Arcane got so powerful in DS was because of the swollen mana pools of late expansion where you have so much extra Intellect compared to early on |
| 22:04.13 | Stormscape | faster than it regen |
| 22:04.24 | Amarande | and the interaction between that and arcane mastery |
| 22:04.27 | Djane | Amarande, the reason why arcane is powerful is because arcane is good. |
| 22:04.35 | Djane | Arcane was ALWAYS the best dps spec in Cata |
| 22:04.40 | Djane | It did more damage in every tier |
| 22:04.42 | Stormscape | My arcane mage regens mana at 2400 per second |
| 22:04.45 | Stormscape | I cannot outspend that |
| 22:04.46 | Djane | on average |
| 22:04.52 | Djane | But fire had a higher top potential |
| 22:04.52 | Amarande | however, now there are no more oversized mana pools, because mana doesn't scale with intellect anymore |
| 22:04.56 | Amarande | that's what I mean by "mana pools are fixed" |
| 22:05.09 | Amarande | well, you can still increase it with the ember meta gem, but that seems to be the only thing that affects it now gear-wise |
| 22:05.09 | Stormscape | arcane is still stupidly powerful |
| 22:05.12 | Stormscape | if not more powerful |
| 22:05.15 | Djane | More so. |
| 22:05.16 | Djane | Yes. |
| 22:05.28 | Stormscape | infinite mana, don't ever need to evocate |
| 22:05.32 | Stormscape | hell I don't even mana gem |
| 22:05.34 | Amarande | I actually still use an Ember meta gem atm instead of the increased crit one mages "should" use, but I have a pretty practical reason for doing so heh |
| 22:05.50 | Djane | you're bad? |
| 22:06.03 | Amarande | I barely ever used my mana gems either ... they always seemed not to really give enough mana to be worth the trouble |
| 22:06.06 | Djane | what possible good reason is there for using the ember meta gem? |
| 22:06.11 | Djane | Okay. Right. |
| 22:06.14 | Amarande | Djane: when you're a recent 85 and don't have enough gem slots |
| 22:06.26 | Djane | But....but what. |
| 22:06.32 | Amarande | you need three additional non-cogwheel slots for the increased crit one, you only need two for ember |
| 22:06.33 | Djane | it costs less than 100g to do... |
| 22:06.45 | Djane | How can you not have gem slots? They're in EVERYTHING. |
| 22:06.50 | Djane | My belt ALONE powers my meta. |
| 22:06.54 | Djane | I don't even. |
| 22:06.55 | Stormscape | mana gems were fucking amazing until 5.0 came out |
| 22:06.58 | Djane | Stormscape, yup |
| 22:07.09 | Amarande | actually, atm the only slots I have gem sockets in are my helm and belt |
| 22:07.09 | Stormscape | then 5.0 came out and gave me infinite mana |
| 22:07.11 | Djane | especially with the sp boost on use. |
| 22:07.13 | Stormscape | and suddenly I don't need them anymore |
| 22:07.21 | Djane | Amarande, how many gem sockets do you have? |
| 22:07.24 | Amarande | the helm is meta + cogwheels, the belt only had one gem slot natively, upgraded to two with the belt buckle |
| 22:07.28 | Djane | Right |
| 22:07.29 | Djane | so that's 3 |
| 22:07.35 | Stormscape | that can power a meta |
| 22:07.48 | Djane | 4, actually, but you only need 3. |
| 22:07.53 | Djane | Since the cog works too, iirc. |
| 22:08.04 | Amarande | Cogwheel gems are colourless, actually |
| 22:08.10 | Djane | Prismatic, you mean. |
| 22:08.26 | Djane | and also no they're not. |
| 22:08.37 | Amarande | Actually, colourless. I expected the cogwheel gems to contribute the colours that their stats normally do, but they had no effect whatsoever on qualifying for the meta |
| 22:09.12 | Amarande | (moreover, when it comes to ember vs. the other one, no cogwheels provide red-attuned stats) |
| 22:09.29 | Djane | Okay, fair enough. They've changed that since last I looked but that was in the cata beta |
| 22:09.35 | Djane | but how do you only have 3 gem slots? |
| 22:09.49 | Djane | Like, in the time having this conversation I could have had dungeons enough for 5 sockets, easy. |
| 22:10.29 | Amarande | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/ysera/Kiruna/simple |
| 22:11.02 | Djane | Yes? |
| 22:12.27 | Amarande | note the small number of gem slots, and that's even with a few epics. |
| 22:13.02 | Djane | shrugs a little |
| 22:13.22 | Djane | so get more. |
| 22:13.44 | Amarande | yeah, I'm presently thinking between getting more or whether I should save my gold for MoP |
| 22:14.36 | Amarande | I think I might give Arcane a shot, though ,especially now that we can get Ice Barrier with Arcane |
| 22:18.00 | Stormscape | Just don't spec PoM, Scorch is way more useful for PvE |
| 22:19.19 | Stormscape | wow, Glyph of Evocation will be amazing with Rune of Power |
| 22:19.24 | Stormscape | 1% of HP per second while in the Rune |
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| 22:27.43 | Amarande | Storm: I predict presently that there will be a massive increase in the number of mobility fights in MoP :) |
| 22:27.59 | Amarande | that's the Rune's weakness, you need to be able to stand still for its full duration to get the full benefit |
| 22:31.14 | Stormscape | Not really |
| 22:31.20 | Stormscape | 6 second CD, can have 2 up at once |
| 22:34.54 | jamphat | cant wait for invocation for pvp |
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| 23:48.23 | Jolt | No thanks. |
| 23:48.32 | Stormscape | No |
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| 23:48.46 | Stormscape | fewyn, ban plz |
| 23:48.58 | Jolt | tickles fewyn |
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| 23:50.23 | Jolt | there we go,tickling works |
| 23:50.35 | fewyn | no i was just not looking at the window |
| 23:50.40 | Jolt | It worked! |
| 23:50.43 | Jolt | :( |
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