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00:18.15Eraclitoaaand 35 halaa research tokens
00:19.45AmarandeResearch tokens ... those are the ones that are actually still possible to get, right? :)
00:20.11AmarandeI know one of the types of Halaa token you pretty much can't get anymore unless you're lucky
00:22.26Eraclitoyup, the one you get by gathering oshu'gun crystal powder
00:22.41Eraclitowell with cross-realm zones i guess the Battle Tokens will be obtainable again
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00:28.14AmarandeErac: I'm not sure about that, since I'm not sure if Outland and Northrend are being counted in the cross-realm zones
00:28.34AmarandeThere seemed to be an indication there was a cap on how high level of zones would qualify for cross-realm status
00:29.06Amarande(not to mention the special considerations for STV and Dragonblight as to whether the fishing contests should be one per *several* servers per week or still server-sacred)
00:29.47StormscapeIt would have to be all of Northrend, you can complete the fishing contest anywhere in Northrend
00:29.49Stormscapethat has pools
00:48.44JammerStormscape: I guess more important part is how many winners you can have tho
00:49.02Jammerif the contest npc is shared between realms or not
00:49.05Stormscapeif you're on a PvP server, cross-realm zones for Northrend means more competition
00:49.12Stormscapemaking it harder to complete
00:49.27Jammertrue also
00:49.32StormscapeYou can't just think about the NPC. You have to think about the ability to complete the contest
00:49.35Jammerbut then again it's harder for everyone
00:49.51Jammernow people win it in 10-15min
00:50.02Jammereven with some pvp probably gonna get winner in the hour easy
00:52.44Jammerpersonally I fail to see the benefits from sharing zones with different realms
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00:53.04Jammeryou get more people there but why would anyone want that :p
00:53.58Stormscape>10-15 minutes
00:54.02Stormscapeyour server must be dead
00:54.08Stormscapeeven on Zuluhed it'd be won in <5 minutes
00:54.20Jammeryeah it is quite dead :p
00:54.30StormscapeI imagine on Area 52 it's won in <30 seconds
00:55.02Stormscape800 people online at 3am on a Tuesday, I don't want to imagine fishing contest population
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01:22.52ccoxStill a bunch of mistakes in http://www.wowhead.com/news=205497/mists-of-pandaria-build-15972-spell-changes-items-icons-and-more
01:23.03ccoxplease see the enchant section for the worst of them
01:26.18Amarandewow
01:26.29AmarandeI feel really, really bad for anyone who has a real need to do anything on the Internet two weeks from today. :|
01:27.05Torhalo.O
01:27.23AmarandeTorhal: heh, looking at various release schedules, I can sum it up pretty well
01:27.36Amarande"Hi there, please wait in latency and bandwidth sludgeville because everyone and their dog is downloading massive patches for the season's most popular RPGs"
01:27.49AmarandeGW2, 5.0.4, AND the new D3 patch all hit the same day
01:27.57TorhalHawt.
01:28.19Eraclitotoo bad for all the kids downloading porn or the latest eminem album
01:29.04AmarandeErac: I was thinking more like people who use cloud or web-based apps for work, who will probably feel a noticeable slowdown on the net that day in many areas
01:29.57AmarandeAt least it's not as bad as the Red Hat 5.0 release day.
01:30.19AmarandeI remember waaaaaay back when, when RH 5.0 came out (not RHEL 5, we're talking old-school Red Hat Linux)
01:30.38AmarandeThe Internet practically melted down from the download craze there
01:31.01Amarandeapparently it was enough to saturate or crash backbone routers, because I found I couldn't even connect via IRC to servers across the country reliably that week
01:31.09Amarandeand it's not like IRC takes that much bandwidth :)
01:36.03Freyja[The Wowhead Blog] Dev Watercooler: Scenarios - http://www.wowhead.com/news=205506/dev-watercooler-scenarios
01:38.23Eraclitoluckily i guess not so many people use internet here in italy :P we're like the third world of europe
01:40.37Amarandefrom what I hear, there's probably not so many people who can really afford to spend much time on the Internet in Italy
01:40.45Amarandeyou're apparently down there with Spain and Greece :(
01:41.07Amarandewhich is why I've noted every now and then that whenever you buy EVOO, you might be helping save the world economy :)
01:42.35Eraclito:P
01:44.26Eraclitoactually italy is somewhat different from greece, our main problems are the politicians powers and corruptions
01:46.58Amarandewell, what I had noticed was that it's a particularly good thing to favour olive oil presently
01:47.10Amarandesince by buying olive oil one lets money head towards the countries in EU that need money the most
01:47.44Eraclitowe need reforms more than "asap money"
01:48.21Eraclitoour government is going to spend 15-20 billions on a train line totally useless between italy and france
01:48.44Eraclitothe project was from early 90s, when they planned "we'll need moar trains in 20 years" and... everything changed
01:49.05Eraclitobut the ones building are friends or relatives of important politicians
01:49.38AmarandeTransit is useless?
01:49.46Eraclitothere's already transit
01:49.54Eraclitothey're building a new useless line, near a working one
01:50.03Eraclitoa working and not even near to full-used
01:50.34Eraclitothey need to make a new hole through the alps, destroying a valley
01:52.04Eraclitohttp://www.ambientevalsusa.it/main_english.htm <- and we don't have the money for it :P it's already a good reason
01:54.03Amarandewell, nobody has the money for anything anymore
01:54.27Amarandeour state governor here has been poaching steadily from the road maintenance fund every time he hits a shortfall, which has been frequently lately
01:54.39Amarandeit's going to be fun in the winter when we actually need road maintenance :|
01:55.21Eraclitoouch
01:56.01Amarandeoh yeah, and since we had the big power outage last Samhain due to snow weighing down fully-leafed tree branches onto wires, he's been getting together a "tree control task force" or something like that
01:56.17Amarande... um, Malloy, you don't have the money to do what you're already doing, where are we going to find money for this "task force" :P
01:56.46Amarandeprobably from the road fund.
01:57.01Amarandewonder if they're hoping for tax revenues to go up from business taxes from auto mechanic shops LOL
01:58.20Amarande"hey, if we let the roads go to crap, then we'll make more money in the early months next year from business and sales taxes when everyone breaks their axle in a pothole and has to have expensive repairs" heh
02:15.46AmarandeWow, it only just now occurred to me that two things I've been thinking Blizzard did wrong in later Cata are surprisingly linked
02:15.51AmarandeCTA, and epic gems
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02:17.43Eraclitolinked? how?
02:18.02AmarandeErac: as in, the problems with both could have been fixed so easily
02:18.20AmarandeThere's lots of row over epic gems being way too expensive because of how they've been handed out
02:18.42Amarande(to the point where even my raid GM who I went 10/12H with in ICC10 in LK has recommended to settle for blue cata gems)
02:18.50Amarandemeanwhile, the whole matter of queue times
02:19.07AmarandeIf they'd only just let people buy epic gems with JP, both problems would be *much* lesser
02:19.13Eraclitooh, true
02:19.23AmarandeHell, even in BC where getting epic gems was as painful as it was, you could still buy epic gems with badges
02:19.26Eraclitoalso i think gems need a whole redesign
02:19.36AmarandeI have no idea why they stopped letting you buy them with justice in Cata :|
02:19.37Eraclitoi mean, red gems are TOO good
02:19.49Amarandeyup. and green gems are pretty much vendor trash from spawn
02:20.00Eraclitopeople complained because things are "too easy" and "epics don't feel epic anymore"
02:20.15Eraclitowell green are somewhat good for tanks
02:20.16AmarandeI found a talasite in an ore node in BC and noted to myself "hey, this gem was vendor trash when it was new, too!"
02:20.20Eraclitothe other are crap
02:20.37Amarandebasically, if you could buy epic gems with JP
02:20.44Amarandetanks would feel like they'd really be making money off of running instances
02:21.01Amarandesince they'd be able to buy something that can actually still sell (whereas even the "WTS VP bracers/boots" market has dried up pretty much now)
02:21.16AmarandeI have a friend on Turalyon who can't really find anything of use to do with his valor anymore
02:21.42Eraclitotoday, after the news about patch being on 28th
02:21.52Eraclitothere was plenty of "selling valor stuff, low prices"
02:22.02Eraclitothen someone asked "why?" on trade
02:22.25Eraclitosomeone else answered
02:22.29Eraclitothen princes lowered even more
02:22.33Eraclito*prices
02:22.39Amarandeinstead, they decided to keep epic gems as a raid perk (while utterly destroying JC as a profession because they didn't up the JC gems' bonuses to make up for the epic gems) and super expensive AH sale
02:22.59Amarandeand give us CTA, which seems to do not much good for the queues, and instead causes all kinds of divisiveness among players
02:23.45AmarandeTanks don't find the CTA award to be enough to justify their time, healers are completely pissed off because they have often nearly as much responsibility as the tank and don't get to share in the full reward most of the time
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02:24.06AmarandeDPS either complain that special goodies are being handed out that they can't get, or just don't care
02:24.20Amarandeexcept to note that their queues haven't gotten all that much shorter anyway
02:26.35Eraclitothey should always give the satchel to both healer and tanks
02:26.41janeAmarande: i don't know what you're talking about. cta is the only reason i go healing/tank on my super geared toons and carry ridiculously bad players
02:26.47Amarandebasically it just wasn't enough of a reward, what was really needed was for all players, tanks included, to know that they're getting something out of the instance that is worthful to them
02:26.54janethey should in fact give cta bags to exceptional dps too
02:27.00janecause i see way too many people doing jack shit in dungeons
02:27.09janebasically if you don't suck here you go
02:27.10Amarandeand, the best way to do that would have been to let people buy epic gems with valor/justice
02:27.18janeif you were tanking/healing to make queues shorter, here's something extra
02:27.33Amarandebecause seriously, it would have meant that every dungeon would have been worth something significant, because people wouldn't be like "meh, valor and justice, I've been sitting on caps for weeks"
02:27.34janealso, I have nothing to do with valor cause you can't even convert to JP
02:27.39janei am sitting on almost 10k valor on one toon
02:27.40jane><
02:28.01Amarandealso, cta results in tanks trying to push people to skip everything they can
02:28.21janeblizz should stop making stuff optional then :P
02:28.26Amarandewhereas gems for justice would have resulted in the opposite, because after you've hit your seven instances a week, you actually have to kill the bosses to get JP
02:28.49janeif you raid, do you honestly think you need epic gems?
02:28.58janethat way?
02:29.08Eraclitooh that argument again
02:29.14janeI'm sitting on a huge stockpile of epic gems cause they don't sell and i have a ton from raiding
02:29.18Amarandejane: and yes, for some people, cta is a reason for healers and tanks to go do dungeons
02:29.36AmarandeFor other tanks and healers, it's just not enough of an incentive to get them to put up with random folks
02:29.38Eraclitogems are so expansive that i only gem gear i'm not going to replace soon
02:29.44janeyes it is, cause i want shiny pets and mounts
02:29.44Eraclitoand not even on all my characters
02:29.50Eraclitoi only gem three out of ten
02:29.58janewell tbh i would like it if you could buy gems with vp so i can at least dump it other than buying boes to disenchant
02:30.00Eraclitoand i didn't even touch an epic gem this expansion
02:30.01janecause im at that point ><
02:30.08Amarandejane: the thing is, you don't have any better chance of getting the mount from the satchel as you do by doing the instance
02:30.13janebut on my server non-queens garnet epic gems are going for <100g
02:30.23janeAmarande: i have 5 argent tournament pets from cta bags
02:30.27janeand a firefly
02:30.36janealso flasks for guild cauldrons
02:30.39janeit's not that bad.
02:30.41AmarandeA lot of tanks would literally just rather do sethekk once a day for a 2% chance at Raven Lord than put up with four random people for the possibility (cta is grouchy like that) of a satchel that has a 2% chance of Raven Lord :)
02:30.47janeit's just bad because i have to deal with dumbasses that do 5k dps at 85
02:31.04Amarandeyeah, 5k dps at 85 is just pitiful
02:31.14janeright?
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02:31.17janeso annoying
02:31.22AmarandeI do more than that at 82, still haven't replaced my Borean Tundra wand, and I'm specced frost for gods' sake
02:31.26janedon't do HoTs if you can't pull 10k single target on dummies -_-
02:31.42janeif you have the ilvl to get in you can do more than 5k.
02:31.59Amarandehell. if you have the ilvl to get in, you could probably just spam frostbolt and do more than 5k
02:32.02Amarandewhat are these people DOING?
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02:32.06janebut yeah my warlock got fucked in a run because the rest of the group was pitiful. i was doing 15-20 (if i didn't get MC'd) on azshara in well
02:32.12janethe tank and two dps were doing <5k
02:32.18janeand the healer didn't know how to heal
02:32.26Amarandeoh, yeah, that always happens. :)
02:32.34janei rain of fire'd the group to death.
02:32.34Amarandeif the boss can MC, it's always your best DPS that gets MCd :P
02:32.37janerofl
02:32.46AmarandeI still remember when I first did h-mech on my lock back in the day
02:32.50janewell still when i didn't get mc'd it was bad. 20k isn't enough to burn the adds
02:32.58janetoo much unavoidable damage going out
02:33.03AmarandeOur skill was pretty good but our gear was awful all around
02:33.14Amarandeand Pathaleon would ... like EVERY TIME ... MC THE BLOODY ROGUE
02:33.25janei only outlasted people because i'd try to heal myself and cross my fingers for a healthstone crit
02:33.48Amarandemind you, now mech is just easysauce
02:33.48janeoh, and you know. if i run dungeons on my best toon, the rest of the group is amazing too, like 50k dps
02:33.49janelol
02:34.12AmarandeI did a reg mech run a few weeks ago at 69 or 70 and pretty much was able to offtank a fire elemental on Sepethrea. On my mage.
02:34.33Amarandebetween the frost mage specific bubble, the mage ward, etc. ...
02:35.06janewell going back to epic gems.. i wish they'd give them out for heroic bosses too
02:35.11Amarandeoh yay. ice barrier will be available to all specs in mop :)
02:35.28Amarandeactually, that reminds me
02:35.40Amarandeare we going to be horribly steamrolled in dungeons when 5.0.4 hits due to the changes to mana?
02:35.46janebut the argument is weird. some people really think it's out of their reach. others think it's extreme.
02:36.01Amarandeapparently, mop gives you no way at all to increase your mana via gear, your base mana is always your max mana
02:36.23Amarandewhich basically sounds like mana is going to be more or less in the same boat as x/100 resource classes
02:36.40janei raid on lots of toons and im sitting on a pile of gold, but i can see how someone casual would have a hard time getting epic gems
02:37.02Amarandeit sounds like you won't be able to cast your powerful spells more than infrequently, almost like they're cooldowns
02:37.26Amarandedue to the fact that % of base mana means that everything's going to be so much more expensive, much like how rogues and cats and hunters have been running for years now
02:40.04Amarandeblizzard, say. it's 74% of base mana. if that's still the same in mop, it means we can AoE for less than ten seconds at a time as frost before we have to wait significant downtime to muster the mana to blizzard again.
02:47.29Amarandeactually, come to think of it.
02:47.34Amarandeif they're going to make the mana pools non-scaling
02:47.50Amarandewhy don't they just make mana a fixed 100 max like rage, energy, focus, runic, etc. etc.?
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03:52.04jaezzyAma|ZzzZz: Because mana will still be influenced by spirit? Rage, Energy, Focus, Runic don't have outstanding forces that can increase mana regen. Most (all?) casters have tools in their kit that allow higher mana regeneration
03:52.33jaezzyas a holy pally i dont know how this will change my stat priority but i'm willing to be spirit is going to become a morei mportant stat than haste imo
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04:31.23Mr_Rabiesoh sweet
04:31.47Mr_Rabiestentonhammer/playerscore is stealing and illegally posting addons on their site now
04:31.47Mr_Rabiesrad
04:44.51Ackisanyone here a redditor?
04:45.14ElysaYeah
04:45.16ElysaWhat's up?
04:45.28AckisI need some upvotes
04:45.33Ackishttp://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/y8usy/new_addon_hosting_site_steals_authors_work/
04:45.42Ackisself post so I don't get karma
04:45.43ElysaDone
04:45.56Ackisthanks
04:46.02ElysaYou're welcome
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05:16.56warzonehi2all
05:17.25warzoneздраствуйте :)
05:17.29warzoneFUUUUU
05:18.06warzoneis here anybody from Russian part of wowhead?
05:19.23warzonedope...
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05:23.02warzoneHi peolpe!)) Once again anybody russian?
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06:05.46ccoxWowhead Looter has a bug in new PTR build - calling GetTradeSkillSubClassFIlter
06:07.29ccoxand SetTradeSkillSubClassFIlter
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06:42.32StormscapeSeen in Trade: "Can someone run me through AH?"
06:50.59EsamynnO_o
06:51.59Stormscape>that feel when 90% crit chance and still don't crit
06:52.58namreebAckis, what is the site?
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08:19.52jaezzyso is it true you cant mount in Pandaria until 90?
08:20.03StormscapeNo flying mounts, yes.
08:20.10jaezzyaw yeah
08:20.14jaezzyganking gonna be real fun then
08:21.08hyljeoh yeah getting ganked by people and bears charging you from aflight
08:22.30Stormscape>ganking
08:22.35StormscapePvE Server Master Race
08:22.45hyljecarebear more like
08:23.02StormscapeLike I give a fuck
08:51.29sidjino you can mount flying mounts, but they are forced to ground
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11:27.21Ackishttp://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/y8usy/new_addon_hosting_site_steals_authors_work/
11:28.04Niadythwell that sucks
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14:39.13fewyn[10:36:28] You are now Exalted with The Sha'tar.
14:39.19fewyntake that botanica!
14:42.41sidjiand now 60 exalted factions?
14:43.38Jammerhmm I wonder if that's just for beta or the first 2 zones going to be non-pvp in live too?
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15:09.50Jammerhmm so they added leg heirlooms but it only works to level 85 :o
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15:29.53eidyiaJammer: where does one acquire these leg heirlooms?
15:33.29fewyni think it’s a guild achievement
15:33.37JunkHeadyarly
15:33.43JunkHeadmax out every profession i think
15:34.12eidyiathat unlocks them for purchase then?
15:34.21JunkHeadpretty sure
15:35.00eidyiahttp://mop.wowhead.com/achievement=6626
15:40.03Stormscapethat achievement's pretty easy for any decent sized guild
15:40.10Stormscapeor any guild with 5 people in it
15:40.23Stormscapewell, 6
15:40.57fewynor any me
15:48.16eidyiayah - or the alt-o-holic
15:48.24eidyiawill be easy and fast
15:48.56eidyiahttp://mop.wowhead.com/achievement=6703 - this will take time
15:49.08Stormscapeonly 25,000?
15:49.51eidyiano reward currently
16:14.24jamphatanyone know an addon that will automatically stock a certain number of an item in my bags? as in, i open my bank, click the addon, and it automatically makes sure i have 20 fish feasts and 20 flasks
16:14.28jamphatetc
16:14.41fewyngod i hate keepers of time rep
16:19.50g0urrafewyn: you know the heroic rep trick?
16:20.10fewynwhat
16:20.12g0urrajamphat: no, but you can try ask in #wowuidev
16:20.13fewynwhat heroic rep trikc
16:20.19fewyntrick*
16:20.22g0urrain old hillsbrad
16:20.25fewynyeah?
16:20.27fewynwhat is it
16:20.29fewynDO TELL
16:20.34g0urraclear everything up to thrall so you have the rep
16:20.37g0urrathen go out and reset
16:20.40fewynOHHH
16:20.45fewyni’m not killing any bosses anyways
16:20.48fewyni didn’t think of that
16:20.49fewynDANKE
16:20.53g0urrabitte
16:21.36eidyiawhat was the site that let's you find cross-realm raid groups?
16:21.44eidyiasomeone shared it the other day
16:22.08fewynopenraid?
16:22.09g0urrahttp://www.openraid.us/
16:22.53eidyiabingo!
16:22.54eidyiaty
16:25.08eidyiayou still need to share email addresses to be real-id friends for cross-realm raiding? or can you use like battle.net tags?
16:26.31fewyni think you can use bnet tags but they don’t work properly until 5.0
16:26.33fewynin wow
16:27.04Freyja[The Wowhead Blog] Professions: Living in Perfect Harmony - http://www.wowhead.com/news=205515/professions-living-in-perfect-harmony
16:28.01g0urraor you can get the free starter edition of d3 and add people's battletags on there
16:28.15g0urrait'll work with WoW
16:28.34fewynthat works too
16:28.35eidyiahum...
16:28.38eidyiai do have d3
16:28.39eidyiagood call
16:28.39fewynbut that sounds like :Effort:
16:30.52eidyialol
16:31.14g0urrayeah zomg effort
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16:35.54Sephirothbnet tags available in 13 days.
16:36.14fewyn!mop
16:36.15Freyja5 weeks 5 days 16 hours 23 minutes 46 seconds until the release of Mists of Pandaria [25th September, 2012]
16:37.02Sephiroth5.0.4 on the 28th.
16:38.49g0urra!5.0.4
16:38.51g0urra:(
16:41.13StormscapeThere's no Summer Top Gear this year =(
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16:42.03Wardthere's Top Gear US
16:42.05eidyiasephiroth: what you mean in 13 days?
16:42.07Wardwhich is nowhere near as good
16:42.12eidyiawith 5.0?
16:42.16Wardbut still mildly entertaining
16:42.53Sephirothhttp://www.wowhead.com/news=205491/patch-5-0-4-on-august-28th-pvp-season-11-ending
16:43.00SephirothThat's what I mean, eidyia.
16:43.35eidyiadoesn't confirm bnet tags though :(
16:43.52SephirothIt is the new and updated client, however.
16:44.20Sephirothmuch like the original 4.0.x patch introduced all of the new clientside things as well.
16:44.26eidyiatrue
16:46.11SephirothSo not only are we getting the pre-expansion world events on the 28th, we're also getting the talent overhaul and overall game mechanics change on that date too.
16:46.36eidyiapeople will complain that you can't get the top talents on the trees on that day too
16:46.40Sephirothgoing to have to relearn my class then too, if I am to continue raiding into the expansion. :-P
16:46.43eidyiaas they did with cata talent changes
16:50.07StormscapeI don't have much to relearn
16:50.08Stormscapeu mirin
16:50.29SephirothThey completely changed balance druids. :(
16:51.30eidyiathey still have over 5 weeks to get rid of warlocks - that's the good news
16:51.44Elysabut the green fire!
16:52.23eidyianow with group travel going away - they're once again the utility class
16:52.29eidyialock - make me a portal; lock - make me a stone
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16:57.09g0urraI heard warlocks have to relearn their class
16:58.36Torhalg0urra: They do. Completely.
16:58.37eidyiadon't they have to do that now anyhow g0urra?
16:58.58g0urrawell not all classes
16:59.06g0urraret paladins are pretty much the same
16:59.10eidyiai mean locks
16:59.10eidyia:)
16:59.18eidyialocks can always use some study hall time
16:59.38Torhal:P
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17:05.20fewynhttp://www.humblebundle.com/
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17:12.11Stormscapeshadow priests are basically the same, they just changed Devouring Plague
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17:58.36eidyia?
17:58.44eidyiawhere's the latest dbm stored nowdays?
17:59.11eidyiai keep gettings errors tied to the LK libraries
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18:00.14Gnarfozoh
18:00.20Gnarfozwrong channel
18:00.48eidyia??
18:02.01Gnarfozhttp://www.curse.com/addons/wow/deadly-boss-mods - not that there's more than one poor soul keeping it working on his own :P
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