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01:02.36Swordartanyone wanna play wow start a new toon?
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01:35.54JP__hi is anyone here?
01:36.19JP__Would anyone like to send me a scroll of ressurection
01:42.27parag0n_JP__: US?  if so, send me your email
01:43.33JP__okay
01:43.36JP__Yea US
01:43.37parag0n_oh.. or character name and realm too, i guess.
01:44.04JP__How would i private chat u
01:44.13JP__nvm
01:44.13parag0n_/msg parag0n_ <message>
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04:43.25Amarandeugh
04:43.41Amarandeif you do the hubs in not the right order in blade's edge it gets WAY harder to do the loremaster
04:44.39Amarandego to Toshley's too soon and you lock yourself out of two quests
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09:02.13StormscapeI'm so tempted to change my priest name to Fraeulein.
09:02.26Djones_Better than Bubbletusks
09:03.01StormscapeDjones so my priest has over 130k mana now
09:03.10StormscapeI'm pretty much a 15 man Vanilla raid boss now
09:03.13Djones_Not bad
09:03.14Stormscape156k HP, 130k mana
09:03.59Djones_Shall I look at my priest to make you feel bad? :P
09:04.19StormscapeYes
09:04.22StormscapeLink it, in fact
09:04.44Djones_http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/stormrage/Orienna/simple : Last played in May.
09:06.02Djones_I -think I was around 180k health, 150k mana raid buffed.
09:06.11Djones_and 160-170k mana as disc
09:06.21Stormscapeyeah I'm talking 130k mana with only self-buffs
09:06.23Stormscapeno raid buffs
09:06.36Djones_Let me log in
09:06.46Djones_Which spec?
09:06.50Stormscapeshadow
09:07.08Djones_rofl
09:07.09StormscapeI see you're alchemist master race
09:07.18Djones_My character has been in dragon soul for 4 months
09:07.26StormscapeLOL
09:07.43Djones_Hmm
09:07.46Djones_You outgear me then
09:07.49Djones_Impressive.
09:07.59Djones_With flask and Food from last raid(in may)
09:08.09Djones_I have 154k health 130.7k mana self buffed
09:08.46Djones_Oh wait
09:08.46Djones_HERP
09:08.48Djones_LE DERP
09:08.49Djones_Sec
09:09.00Djones_There we go
09:09.04Djones_147k mana
09:09.12Stormscapedid you forget something
09:09.17Djones_heroic int trinkets
09:09.22Stormscapederp
09:09.24Djones_compared to Heroic Spine trinket setup on my armory
09:09.45Stormscapeyeah I was wondering how you only had 123k mana with that much gear
09:09.46Djones_139.6k mana without food and flask
09:10.03sidjiand 100k mana after 5.0 patch
09:10.04Djones_Yeah, burst trinkets with on use instead of constant.
09:10.35Stormscapehttp://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/defias-brotherhood/Vordea/simple WHO ARE YOU DOPPLEGANGER
09:10.38StormscapeWHY DO YOU HAVE MY NAME
09:10.43Djones_Snicker
09:10.44Djones_It's a noob
09:10.46Djones_that's who
09:10.53StormscapeThey even have my original hair
09:10.57Stormscapewhen my priest was first made
09:11.04Djones_Snicker
09:11.13Djones_Yeah, you don't outgear me then :P
09:11.17StormscapeDjones they actually had some pretty nice gear in LK
09:11.20Djones_My trinkets are fucking awesome btw
09:11.23StormscapeI remember first seeing that doppleganger
09:11.24Stormscapein Wrath
09:11.29Djones_Heroic Cunning of the cruel. <3
09:12.00StormscapeI wish I had that
09:12.03Stormscapeonly got regular Cunning
09:12.06Djones_inorite?
09:12.09Djones_It does SO MUCH damage
09:12.11Djones_It's not even funny
09:12.20StormscapeMULTI-BALL
09:12.25Djones_Saddest thing ever?
09:12.26Stormscapeit's just like pew pew pew
09:12.37Djones_Dragon soul is the first raid i've not been a hardcore raider or given any shits about loot?
09:12.43Djones_Only heroic trinkets or weapon ever received.
09:12.50Stormscapehttp://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/zuluhed/Vordea/advanced here's my fail priest
09:12.58Djones_All got within first week of heroic raiding
09:13.00StormscapeVisage of the Destroyer yeah boi
09:13.37Djones_Looking sexy
09:13.49StormscapeYou know, I usually kept the weapons from the last raid I did of each expansion
09:13.54Stormscapebut I'm not going to for Cataclysm
09:13.54Djones_Do you have normal will of unbinding?
09:13.57StormscapeNo
09:13.58Stormscape=(
09:14.02Djones_Nod.
09:14.11Djones_I usually roll with H:Cunning and N:Will
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09:14.12StormscapeLike, I still have Heroic Dying Light
09:14.15Stormscapeand Torch of Holy Fire
09:14.22Stormscapeand the lollypop from Hyjal
09:14.23Djones_Nod
09:14.24Djones_Me too
09:14.27Djones_I have 3 410's
09:14.32Djones_for weapons
09:14.37Stormscapebut Cataclysm is just so
09:14.37Stormscapeso
09:14.38Stormscapemeh
09:14.45Djones_Truest of facts.
09:15.23StormscapeI went from full blues to all 397 in 2 months
09:15.28Djones_Yup
09:15.29Stormscapeit's too easy to gear up
09:15.37Djones_And you can go from full blues to full 384/397 in a week
09:16.01Stormscapeyeah my mage is average 377 now after only 2 weeks
09:16.09Stormscapejust need to get lucky in LFR
09:16.11Djones_I have the full resources of a guild bank behind me
09:16.18Djones_I can make all crafted gear for X class in about 5 minutes
09:17.25StormscapeI just realised
09:17.35StormscapeYou're on Stormrage-EU, I'm transferring to Stormrage-US for Mists
09:17.40Djones_Yes
09:17.48StormscapeClearly a sign
09:17.58Djones_Clearly
09:18.08Djones_so
09:18.10Djones_for some reason
09:18.17Djones_I have 189 shadow spinels on my character
09:18.29StormscapeYou can't even give those away
09:18.32Djones_and 5 sets of gear.
09:18.33StormscapeNobody uses them
09:18.55Djones_pve dps, pve disc. pvp dps, pvp disc. Heroic spine.
09:19.08Djones_I literally have so many spare 410's in slots I already have 410's I have a reforged Heroic spine set.
09:19.10StormscapeI have one set of gear
09:19.11StormscapeShadow
09:19.24StormscapeI don't even have alternate pieces
09:19.27StormscapeI feel like a mage
09:19.30Djones_Snicker
09:19.40Djones_I have SO MUCH GEAR
09:19.49StormscapeI have all 26 slot bags
09:19.50Djones_5 gloves
09:19.51Stormscapeno extra gear
09:19.55Djones_4 belts
09:20.16StormscapeEver since I got 2/3 Inner Sanctum I've wondered why I didn't get this months ago
09:20.38StormscapeI had Phantasm, then I realised nothing roots you in raids
09:21.08Djones_3 legs, 3 boots, 8 rings, 12 trinkets, 4 wands, 5 offhands, 5 weapons, 4 bracers, 6 chests, 3 cloaks, 6 shoulders, 4 necklaces, 5 helms
09:21.12Djones_And yes
09:21.12StormscapeAlso why are your shadow glyphs
09:21.13Stormscapeso weird
09:21.14Djones_inner sanctum
09:21.27Djones_pvp
09:21.32Djones_I suspect
09:21.36Djones_probably crossed with heroic spine
09:21.37Stormscapebut you can't cast pain supression
09:21.38Stormscapeas shadow
09:21.43Djones_yes
09:21.46Djones_but I have 5 specs I use
09:22.03Stormscapeyou crazy
09:22.03Djones_Pve shadow, pvp shadow, pve disc, pvp disc, Heroic SPINE BULLSHIT
09:22.09Djones_Yes, but, it's all simple.
09:22.15Djones_I press /spec1-5
09:22.25Djones_And it changes my spec, my glyphs, and all my action buttons
09:22.34Djones_Because I have a badass setup
09:22.52Djones_That looks like a previously disc pvp spec that I couldn't be arsed to fix for some farming raiding
09:22.54Djones_Glyphwise
09:22.55Stormscapemy secondary spec is totally for show
09:22.56StormscapeI never use it
09:23.48Djones_oh btw all that gear?
09:23.56Djones_397 or better, mostly 403 and 410
09:24.04Djones_My solution to the boredom of DS was to grind more gear
09:24.10Djones_so I could literally have a gearset for anything
09:24.28Djones_I have a bank full of spirit gear I don't use anymore too
09:24.35Djones_Because disc doesn't need that much regen anymore
09:24.35StormscapeDo you have a gearset for soloing old raid bosses
09:24.42Djones_Sure
09:24.48Djones_It's called whatever the fuck I like because it's a piece of piss.
09:25.10Djones_Pull everything
09:25.10StormscapeYou should get another set of gear and use it for trolling pugs
09:25.11Djones_Shield
09:25.13Stormscapegem agility
09:25.14Djones_Oh I do
09:25.19Djones_It's gemmed spell pen
09:25.22StormscapeYES
09:25.23Djones_and stam
09:25.36Stormscapeweapon enchant is +7 weapon damage
09:25.37Djones_with str on use trinkets iirc
09:25.37Stormscapeamirite
09:25.39Djones_No
09:25.41Djones_Crusader
09:25.52Stormscapeget some resist gems too
09:25.56Djones_I put it on after I top lfr meters by 5-10k clear
09:25.59Djones_And i'm like, really?
09:26.02Djones_And see how many people I beat.
09:26.07Djones_I usually end up like 12th.
09:26.10Djones_Which is just depressing.
09:26.14StormscapeLOL
09:26.24Djones_it's my old 391 heroic firelands gear
09:26.27StormscapeI bet you could autoattack with wands
09:26.30Stormscapeand still win the meters
09:26.34Djones_And still not come last, yeah. Heh.
09:26.38Djones_I do 4.5k with wands
09:26.42Djones_I know this because i afk'd on ultraxion
09:26.46Stormscapebeast mode
09:26.56Stormscapemelee autoattack him
09:26.59Djones_Right click. Go to the toilet.
09:27.14Djones_I have a troll action bar setup too
09:27.17Stormscapewhat's funny is literally nobody ever gets kicked
09:27.18Stormscapefrom LFR
09:27.19Stormscapeever
09:27.22Djones_if I type /specTroll
09:27.27Djones_My bars change to have a single action
09:27.29Djones_and that action is flash heal
09:27.35StormscapeLOL
09:27.38Djones_And it's macro'd to heal the target in the raid with the HIGHEST health
09:27.52Djones_The aim is to get more overheal than the healers get healing
09:28.09Djones_On ultraxion 25man
09:28.14Djones_I once got 86% of the healing
09:28.16Djones_in lfr
09:28.21Djones_I got Red, Then blue
09:28.35Djones_I had 4k mana when the blue spawned. :p
09:28.45Djones_Everyone else was full because I sniped -everything-
09:29.08Djones_Moral of the story?
09:29.11Djones_Priest is just easymode
09:29.18Djones_I've healed on others, I've dps'd on others
09:29.23Djones_Nothing is so hilariously easy
09:29.47Stormscapehttp://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-img/comics/religion/validate.png this one makes me laugh
09:29.50Stormscapea lot
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09:36.14Djones_also
09:36.18Djones_Growlithe is badass
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09:47.35Kane_HartWhat is a good RAF leveling aoe spot for low level guys in Wrath zones
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09:56.11StormscapeDjones, http://howsecureismypassword.net/ is so much fun
09:57.22StormscapeI like how "nigger" is in the top 1000 for most used passwords.
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10:50.10Djones_Stormscape, oh dear
10:50.13Djones_tbh
10:50.19Djones_I'm not entering my password into a website
10:50.21Djones_Just saying
10:51.24Djones_I like how the standard 8 digit password takes no time at all
10:51.51Djones_my standard one would take 37 years
10:52.12Djones_my banking one is LOTS of years
10:53.09Djones_and the saddest part os when a bank tells me that my password has to be between 6-20 characters, have letters 1 number and nothing else.
10:53.27Djones_Like, that's the least secure TYPE of password there is, because Relevant XKCD
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10:56.13sidjibtw.. http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/4862500_700b.jpg
10:56.34Djones_snicker
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11:22.13neutronimityI break up words with letters.
11:22.24neutronimitys/letters/numbers
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11:31.10StormscapeDjones my friend's password for years has been "IFuckedYourCat"
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13:15.28Guest64746Guys
13:16.12Guest64746any of you in the server Frostmane
13:16.15Guest64746?
13:18.02neutronimityhttps://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/googlemail/rebrand thoughts?
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14:25.05fewyni wonder how hard it will be to solo mc on my priest
14:25.53Stormscapefrom what I understand, pretty easy
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14:27.18fewynit was kinda annoying on my warlock
14:27.27fewynezpz on all my melee characters
14:27.31fewynhaven't done my shaman tho
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14:48.59sidjihm bugged petjournal 2 pets are missing
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15:22.57fewynthese curses in molten core are annoying
15:25.56Noxyso is your butttttttt
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15:43.12fewyni forget do you still have to be attuned to do karazhan?
15:45.04Freyja[The Wowhead Blog] Mists of Pandaria: PvP Gear Preview - http://www.wowhead.com/news=204968/mists-of-pandaria-pvp-gear-preview
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15:59.55ari5avfewyn: nope.  no more old attunements
16:05.04tateanyone knows how the botianica stands in the lore?
16:05.16tateit seems to be full of bots atm, 19 lvl 80 druids in there
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16:25.05Freyja[The Wowhead Blog] Mists of Pandaria Preview: Scott Mercer and Ion Hazzikostas Interview - http://www.wowhead.com/news=205094/mists-of-pandaria-preview-scott-mercer-and-ion-hazzikostas-interview
16:27.47fewynOther than that, Blizzard also confirmed that Brewfest will be delayed so it doesn't make players feel rushed to experience Mists of Pandaria as well as do the holiday. This is welcomed news, as most players complained about it in the weeks prior!
16:27.49fewynhuzzah
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16:41.51eidyiamorning
16:41.54eidyiawell, afternoon folks
16:43.59sidjihello
16:44.37eidyiahey hey - how's pet battle life?
16:45.01eidyiaside note: we getting a pre-5.0 patch tomorrow or what? decent size maintenance window
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16:45.51sidji400+ unique pets collected
16:46.15sidjibut some of my pets don't exists in petjournal
16:46.52sidjilike [Red Cricket]
16:47.11eidyiahm...
16:47.12sidji1 epic pet
16:48.00eidyiai didn't think there were that many pets
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16:50.39fewyneidyia: very much doubt 5.0 is tomorrow
16:50.46eidyiaoh - i agree
16:50.48fewyn5.0 would coincide with the end of the pvp season
16:50.54eidyiabut i think some pre-patching is gonna happen
16:50.59fewynthey haven't announced that yet
16:54.53eidyiainteresting note: if you vote to kick in LFG too much, you get a cooldown
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16:55.38eidyiai had to kick 2 tanks for dc'ing yesterday and got a 4 hour CD on kicking
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19:19.55JunkHead-http://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=177468
19:20.06JunkHead-if anyone is interested.
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20:04.43Kane_HartAnyone around?
20:04.48Kane_HartThis is a dumb dumb question :P
20:05.00Kane_HartBut if I merge WoW accounts should I get the rewards from the other account too?
20:05.11Kane_HartI have 2 old old WoW accounts id like to merge before 5.0
20:05.25Kane_Hartnever done a merge though not sure what it is exactly
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20:09.00eidyiawhat rewards?
20:10.06Kane_Hartmounts/pets
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20:47.09eidyiasorry - got distracted by stuff
20:47.14eidyiaum...
20:47.17eidyiadepends how you got them
20:47.28eidyiai mean, achievement rewards are always character bound
20:47.33eidyiayou're merging accounts - not toons
20:47.39eidyiaso, not sure what issue you'd run into
20:47.44sygnous|mbprso, how is monk? I prefer to be a healer, just wondering how mistweaver is...
21:03.54AmarandeI'm thinking of rolling a monk tank when MoP hits
21:04.27AmarandeNot sure on race yet. Probably night elf (which is probably a good combo since night elves have that avoidance racial)
21:05.06AmarandeI am presuming that tanking monks use feral staves and polearms?
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21:16.59fewynoh HELLO
21:17.19fewynit seems someone i randomly gave a scroll to actually did renew their account
21:17.35fewynwhy didn't blizzard email me about that
21:18.45AmarandeI don't know, I didn't get an email when my sister renewed her account either
21:19.07Amarandeand I had to get the link from here to figure out where to go to get my mount
21:19.18fewyni was just about to sor my old account to get the mount
21:19.21fewynDON'T NEED TO NOW
21:20.13fewynthing is ugly as fuck
21:21.20AmarandeI'm not sure if it ended up in my junk folder or if there just isn't such an email
21:21.27Amarandesince I CAN'T GET MY JUNK FOLDER WITH FIREFOX, stupid dreamhost
21:21.50fewynhrm
21:22.02fewynso
21:22.10fewyn120k for mottled drake
21:22.37fewynhttp://www.wowtcgloot.com/mottled_drake.htm
21:23.04fewynnot sure if i want to spend that much on it
21:23.18fewynhttp://www.wowhead.com/item=68008#modelviewer:10+0
21:23.22fewynNoxy what do you think
21:23.33AmarandeThe thing is that Dreamhost keeps costs down by not spending the money to get the Root CA Cartel to sign an individualised cert for every customer domain
21:23.46Amarandeso they only have the one, self-signed cert that's for *.dreamhost.com
21:23.46Kane_Hart<eidyia> i mean, achievement rewards are always character bound
21:23.49Kane_HartUm?
21:23.51Kane_Hart5.0..
21:24.12Amarandeso if you try to use HTTPS email, when you first get to the webmail site you get one of those stern Firefox "it might be fraud, you should get out of here!" warnings
21:24.20fewynmounts and pets (except pvp mounts) will be merged in 5.0
21:24.36AmarandeSo you override that warning, and you can get *most of* your email without trouble then
21:24.38Amarande*except for* the junk folder
21:24.40Kane_Hartyeah But I was wondering fewyn battle.net or WoW Account
21:24.54fewyni think "wow account"
21:24.57Amarandeif you try to click the junk folder, the mailbox pane instead gives another "get me out of here!" warning, and it DOESN'T let you override that one
21:25.00Kane_Hartahh darn hehe
21:25.24fewynyou can't really test that on the beta
21:25.29Amarandeapparently, this has been reported several weeks ago as a bug in firefox (and it's been a bug for considerably longer than that)
21:25.33fewyncan't have multiple beta accounts on the same bnet
21:25.34Amarandebut the latest Aurora still has not fixed it
21:26.14Kane_Hartidk I can't find my MOP game on my account
21:26.31Kane_Hartbeta*
21:27.08Kane_HartGot the email but never got the stuff on the acocunt it seems
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21:28.52Kane_HartIt'll show as the PTR on your account management until you select the account. =)
21:28.57Kane_Hartthats what support says meh hmm
21:32.52fewynyeh
21:32.55fewynthere we go
21:33.01fewynspent ~120,000 gold~
21:33.24fewynactually now that i see it in action
21:33.27fewynit doesn't look too bad
21:33.45Kane_HartI have a 2nd account same last name grrr why does blizzard not let me do a full merge into 1 game account :(
21:34.37JunkHead-Blizz let me do that once.
21:34.48JunkHead-had 2 battle.net accounts.
21:34.51JunkHead-merged them into 1.
21:36.13Kane_Hart2 wow accounts though?
21:36.19Kane_Hartor 1 wow account
21:36.40JunkHead-2
21:36.56JunkHead-1 battle.net account had a few wow accounts on it.
21:37.03JunkHead-the other just had 1 wow account on it
21:37.15JunkHead-i merged the 2nd one, into the first one.
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21:40.46sacarascBeing a lazy person, I was wondering if people here could help me... Which kind of heirloom weapons would be best for a monk? The maces, the swords or the daggers?
21:43.52Kane_HartI'm still having that nasty bug in WOW
21:44.15Amarandesacarasc: I'm not entirely sure there's a particularly good BOA weapon choice for monks
21:44.17Kane_HartMoving around in AV and certian places
21:44.21Kane_Hartcauses my game to DC a lot
21:44.31Kane_Hartbut my internet connection is spotless
21:44.50JunkHead-mine disconnects me at random sometimes when i spin my character around too fast.
21:44.57sacarascAmarande: No? Why not?
21:45.54Amarandewell, depends on the role
21:47.40JunkHead-Monks will focus on fist weapons and staves, but will also be able to use one-handed swords, one-handed maces, one-handed axes, and polearms.
21:47.52AmarandeI think for DPS you can get away with the swords, if you're the healer there's standard healer choices
21:47.53JunkHead-that doesn't really limit the choicesmuch.
21:47.58Mr_Rabiesi really wish they'd make fist weapons two-handed
21:48.16AmarandeHowever, if you want to be a Brewmaster, there's really no good choice
21:48.17Mr_Rabiesjust make it visually dual-wield
21:48.29JunkHead-but since they use cloth or leather, you'd want either int gear, or agi gear.
21:48.30Amarandesince there are currently no physical-based BOA staves, nor any BOA polearms
21:48.42Mr_Rabiesthat way druids could use them, and even have claw-attachments for feral forms :D
21:48.56JunkHead-for dps and tanking, I'd probably say the 1h agi maces
21:49.05JunkHead-for healing, the healing mace
21:49.18Mr_Rabiesmonks can use 2h maces and polearms too, right?
21:49.18JunkHead-oops
21:49.19JunkHead-or staff
21:49.20AmarandeI'm not especially fond of BOA anyway, really :S
21:49.58JunkHead-Mr_Rabies polearms yes, 2h mace no
21:50.04JunkHead-according to wowpedia anyway
21:50.16Mr_Rabieswhat the heck
21:50.31Amarandethey're expensive, will become even more so with 5.0.4 (because as with when cata came out, the prices will surely be hiked to be in line with the JP intake we'll get at level 90)
21:50.35Mr_Rabiesso that means every new feral/guardian druid weapon will only be a polearm or staff :<
21:51.25Amarandeyeah, sounds like 2H maces will become the province of warriors or ret pallies
21:51.38Amarandeor ... hmm ... can DKs use 2H maces? I can't remember now
21:51.48Mr_Rabiesyeah
21:51.50JunkHead-yup
21:51.52Mr_Rabiesaxes, maces, swords
21:52.15Amarandebut yeah, I'm presuming 2H maces will now be exclusively balanced for STR based classes
21:53.12Mr_Rabies:|
21:53.55Mr_Rabiesthat locks me out of all my old maces for transmog :<
21:54.04AmarandeAlso, they really should give ret pallies a rare, big-ticket group buff like spell haste
21:54.30JunkHead-didnt ret aura used to give melee haste or something?
21:54.46Amarandenot sure, haven't played pally since BC and then I was prot
21:55.18Amarandehowever, it seems like part of the way they're handing out spell haste as it is is as an incentive for people to choose the associated specs at all
21:55.43Amarandeparticularly boomkin, as a powerful buff is a bone thrown to a DPS role on a class that's under a lot of pressure to choose the tank or healer role instead, as it has both
21:55.54Mr_Rabiesi hope it's easier to get all the buffs in MoP, i haven't really looked
21:56.04Mr_Rabiesit kinda sucks raiding without prot
21:56.06Mr_Rabieser
21:56.12Mr_Rabiesshit, the priest buff
21:56.21Mr_Rabiesi haven't had it in months
21:56.31JunkHead-warriors can give it
21:57.30Mr_Rabiesfort
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21:57.53Mr_Rabieswe don't have any warriors either :/
21:58.08Amarandemost of the buffs are pretty well represented, except for a couple
21:58.21Mr_Rabiesor any warlocks
21:59.39Amarandethe rarest buffs/debuffs are spell haste and the +% Damage Taken debuffs
22:00.00Amarandethe spell damage debuff is only on two classes (rogue and warlock) and appears to be the only buff or debuff only available to two classes
22:00.34Amarandethe other two (physical damage vulnerability debuff, spell haste buff) are available to three classes only, but only to specific specs in those classes (and in all cases, they are DPS specs for classes that could be a tank or healer or both)
22:00.34Mr_Rabieswe've got a blood dk, prot pally, holy pally, resto shaman, resto druid, feral druid, a fire or arcane mage, a (?) rogue, and two hunters whose specs i'm not entirely sure of
22:01.12Amarandehmm, let's see what we have there
22:01.23Amarandestats buff: you have kings
22:01.37Amarandefort buff: missing, unless hunters with silithid pets can still bring it?
22:01.53AmarandeAP buff: DK and hunter both care able to cover that
22:02.06Mr_Rabieswe have a hunter bring a cloud serpent i think
22:02.11AmarandeSP buff: the mage and shaman are both able to cover that
22:02.11Mr_Rabiesfor haste? i forget
22:02.26Amarandephysical haste: the rogue will have that
22:02.36Mr_Rabieshonestly, i think long term buffs should go the way of the dodo
22:02.46Amarandespell haste: you're missing this (maybe ask the feral druid to go boomkin for mop?)
22:02.53Mr_Rabiesfights are balanced around having them all, so getting rid of them all would be the same
22:02.57Mr_Rabiesi'm the feral
22:03.02Mr_Rabiesand no way in hell am i going boomkin :p
22:03.19sacarascMaybe get a shaman to drop a totem? :D
22:03.28Amarandecrit: the feral druid, the hunter, and the mage all have that
22:03.37Amarandesacarasc: spell haste from shamans is solely from ellie spec in mop
22:04.00Mr_Rabieswhat's the spell haste buff called? one of them, at least
22:04.02sacarascThen I won't feel bad for being selfish with my enhancement shaman! :D
22:04.06Mr_Rabiesso i can look up equivalents on wowhead
22:04.18Amarandemoonkin aura is one, not sure what the shadow priest and ellie shaman versions are
22:04.49Amarandethere is also a new mastery buff, which is brought by monks in windwalker, but it's also already going to be covered by your pallies and shaman
22:05.00Mr_Rabiesplaying how you want isn't selfish, it's a good idea if you want to keep playing :p
22:05.03Amarandedebuffs: rogue and druids have equivalent to sunder even without a warrior
22:05.18Mr_Rabiesif you play a class or spec you don't like, you're probably not gonna last long
22:05.21Amarandephys damage taken debuff: you're missing that
22:05.27Amarandemagic vulnerability: rogue has this
22:05.53Amarandedebuff to reduce enemy phys damage: all tanks basically have this
22:05.56Mr_Rabiesi'm sure our roster's gonna change for MoP
22:06.02Mr_Rabieswe bring the player, not the class though
22:06.15Amarandecasting speed debuff: DK and rogue have that
22:06.23Amarandeand the rogue and hunter can bring the MS debuff
22:06.41Amarandeso you're right now only missing spell haste buff, fort buff, & phys damage taken debuff, it looks like
22:06.59Mr_Rabiesthose are basically what we're missing now
22:07.00Amarandehttp://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/4574894/Mists_of_Pandaria_Buff_and_Debuff_Design-3_8_2012 is the list
22:09.28AmarandeI'm not sure what's becoming of the buffs that exotic pets bring
22:09.40AmarandeI kind of hope they're going away, actually
22:11.37Mr_Rabiesi really wish every buff longer than a few minutes would go away
22:11.39AmarandeI mean, they were nice to have, it also meant hunters became a much more valuable class when they were able to fill in nearly any needed buff or debuff through their pet
22:11.41Amarande*but*
22:11.53Mr_Rabiesraid-level buff at least
22:12.00Amarandethe trouble was that it came down to that there are 40+ different types of pet, several NEW types of pet were added with cata
22:12.23Mr_Rabiesso can any hunter use exotic pets in MoP? or is it just automatic upon specing as BM?
22:12.24Amarandeand most of those types, including most of the ones that were new in cata, were shoved down to the suck tier
22:13.52Amarandenope, it's still much the same as now
22:13.56Amarandeyou have to be BM and level 69+
22:14.12Amarandeexcept now you just get it automatic upon being or becoming BM as long as you're that level, rather than needing to spend a talent on it
22:15.38Amarandebut yeah, the problem with the pet buffs in cata was simple
22:15.47Amarandethey gave pets full, raid-tier quality buffs
22:16.02Mr_Rabiesthey're a good idea in theory
22:16.06Amarandeexcept, that only about six or seven types of pet had that kind of buff, so only six or seven types of pets were of much viability in an instance group
22:16.19Mr_Rabiesyeah
22:16.21Amarandewhile the other 30+ types of pets more or less exposed you as a huntard who didn't really know your class
22:16.44Amarandeexcept perhaps in 25 man, since in 25's you usually have all the buffs represented naturally
22:17.06Mr_Rabiesyeah
22:17.06Mr_Rabiesi still think they're eventually gonna replace both 10 and 25 with 15-man
22:17.28Mr_Rabiesway easier to get all the buffs that way, only one size so you don't wind up with either giant empty rooms or clusterfucks
22:17.37AmarandeI think the logical choice would be to keep 10, reduce 25 to 20
22:17.55Amarandewith all groups being divisible by all smaller groups, it makes things a lot more flexible from a planning standpoint
22:18.17Amarandesomething post-vanilla wow has always had an issue with
22:18.29Amarandevanilla, you had 10, 20, 40 (well, UBRS was technically 15 max, but wasn't it usually run with 10?)
22:18.41Amarandein other MMOs say LOTRO, you have 12, 24
22:18.49Amarandein post-vanilla wow you have ... 10, 25
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22:18.52Amarandedoesn't seem as logical
22:19.19Amarande(as for why LOTRO has 12, 24 - that's because a standard party there is 6 rather than 5)
22:19.38Mr_Rabiesbrs was 40-man at one point
22:19.41AmarandeActually, 6, 12, 24 might not be too bad an idea for WoW, too
22:20.08Mr_Rabieswe used to zerg it down to farm for FR gear and stuff
22:20.09AmarandeSix-man as a normal party size would go a lot further to ease the "too many DPS" pain in LFD than things like CTA and the like do
22:20.35Mr_Rabiesscenarios are gonna help with that to an extent
22:25.43Amarandehm.
22:25.56Amarandegoing to hazard a guess that based on the fact that teleport: theramore is not being removed for mop
22:26.23Amarandethat the Alliance questing in Dustwallow is going to be fixed up with some sort of "Theramore Refugee Camp" or something like that to replace the current fort
22:27.44AmarandeI wonder what they'll do about the boating paths, or if Alliance will just learn to love the Ratchet to Booty Bay boat
22:27.58Amarande(and presumably the boat that used to go to Theramore will be the path used to go to Pandaria instead?)
22:28.38Amarandegranted, as a mage, I think so far I've taken a boat path exactly once :P
22:29.03Amarandeand that not till it was time to go to Northrend :)
22:40.05Amarande... I feel shamed
22:40.15Amarandesomeone in trade is asking "does a mage know where to get arcane powder"
22:40.20AmarandeI'm a mage, and I don't even know what arcane powder is
22:40.27AmarandeI'm guessing it's a reagent for something but I'm not sure what :S
22:40.48g0urrait's used to cast arcane brilliance and mage food table
22:40.53g0urraoh nvm
22:41.06g0urranvm, it is
22:41.15g0urrabeing removed in MoP
22:44.42Amarandeactually, it's already not needed for arcane brilliance
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22:45.03Amarandeah, it's only for the table
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22:52.52Eraclito[00:51:44] [2. Trade] [Killergirl]: wts [X-51 Nether-Rocket X-TREME]1m <- this player is always selling mounts on ah... many crimson deathchargers, vials of sands, various tcg mounts... i have the feeling not everything is legit
22:54.51Amarande1m, as in for gold cap?
22:55.10Amarandehave TCG mounts been showing up as exploited?
22:56.01Eraclitogood question, no idea
22:56.51AmarandeTCG mounts might just mean some 1%er is bored and blowing hundreds of bucks on cards on ebay *shrug*
22:57.03Amarandepossibly the same kind of people who actually spend four thousand bucks on a vanilla CE
22:57.05Mr_Rabiesunlikely, probably a gold seller
22:57.08Mr_Rabiesreport them either way
22:57.10Amarandevials and deathchargers sounds suspicious though
22:57.11Mr_Rabieslet blizzard sort it out
22:57.54Eraclitoi don't want to report someone without knowing if they're legit... i fear for myself if i submit a unneeded report :< i don't want warnings
22:57.57Mr_Rabiesgold sellers have basically left our realm because it's not profitable anymore i guess
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22:58.01Amarandeinterestingly, I haven't seen anyone sploiting with the bikes
22:58.15Amarandewhich I'm glad of, since I'm an engineer and don't want to have to worry when I put stuff up for sale
22:58.19Mr_Rabiesreporting based on suspicion is okay, Eraclito
22:58.25Mr_Rabiesreporting based on malice isn't, though
22:58.38AmarandeI'm kind of hoping the reason we're getting full length maint this week is partly so they have a chance to scrub for illegit mounts
22:58.59Amarandesince it's not patch day, and the last few weeks have all been only rolling restarts
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23:01.33fewynwhat's the name of that addon that dings when you find a rare
23:02.31JunkHeadnpcscan
23:02.34JunkHeadis what i us
23:02.35fewynthanks
23:02.37JunkHeade
23:02.38JunkHeadnp
23:02.43fewyncouldn't remember the name
23:02.46fewynfor the life of me
23:03.13JunkHeadFinally sold something expensive on the d3 ah
23:03.26JunkHeadmade 5 mil
23:03.33fewynonly 5m?
23:03.45JunkHeadits only the 3rd thing ive sold
23:03.50JunkHeadthe other 2 were for 5k
23:03.59JunkHeadnone of my stuff seems to sell.:\
23:04.12fewyni haven't touched d3 in a month
23:04.13fewyni think
23:04.30JunkHeadim enjoying it for now
23:04.34JunkHeadmuch needed break from wow
23:04.56JunkHeadworking on a couple of gear sets.
23:05.05JunkHeadmagic find, and resistance
23:05.19JunkHeadone for farming, one for trying to progress in inferno.:(
23:05.23fewyni have a max gold find set
23:05.24JunkHeadact 2 = tuff
23:05.26fewynon my dh
23:05.32JunkHeadI'm at...
23:05.41fewynthey added a game limit
23:05.41JunkHead214% with no stacks
23:05.44fewynso i no longer farm
23:05.48JunkHeadumm...
23:05.50JunkHeadwhats the limit?
23:05.59JunkHeadbecause i farmed warrior's rest yesterday.
23:06.01fewyni create games too fast when doing sarkoth runs
23:06.13fewynless than a minute to do that
23:06.22JunkHeadSame for warrior's rest
23:06.23fewynmake ~500k an hour
23:06.30JunkHeadSarkoth is... where?
23:06.36Amarandefewyn: silver dragon?
23:06.38fewynlike very beginning
23:06.44fewynthe damp cellar
23:06.48JunkHeadI'll look it up.
23:06.50JunkHeadok
23:06.52JunkHeadi gotcha
23:07.07fewynstart at act 1 before the cellar
23:07.10JunkHeadwarriors rest takes like, 30 seconds at most. leave, resume
23:07.14fewynthen back track
23:07.15Amarandeheh, you get a "too many instances" type error if you try to create too many games in D3?
23:07.16fewynthrough the old ruins
23:07.21fewynyep
23:07.23JunkHeadI didn't
23:07.27Amarandenow if they could just extend that to D2
23:07.31JunkHeadI did it like... 50 times in a row
23:07.41Amarandeinstead, with D2 they would just hand you a temp ban, which would get longer the more times you tried to log in during it, and which they gave you NO indication of the duration of
23:08.13Amarande(and to boot, before 1.10 or 1.11, they would try to lie and claim that the realm was down rather than that you were restricted)
23:08.20JunkHeadBut my MF suit is 214% with no stacks, 23471 damage, 42031 hp
23:08.23JunkHeadcurrently.
23:08.31JunkHeadMF was higher but it went down when I added damage
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23:47.29JammerJunkHead: what class?

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