| 00:00.17 | Stormscape | 50/50/90 rule: If there's a 50% chance of something bad happening, there's a 90% chance it'll happen. |
| 00:00.35 | Amarande | And Amplify Damage makes you take double damage from all physical (especially those stupid doll explosions ...), also its duration pretty much feels like it's measured in days |
| 00:01.12 | Amarande | (Well, not necessarily double damage, but it's a flat 100% subtracted from physical resist, and not many characters stack physical resist) |
| 00:01.44 | Amarande | (In fact, if you DO stack physical resist, it's even worse, because if you have 50% (the cap), you're taking TRIPLE the damage you normally would in that gear when you have Amp on you.) |
| 00:02.17 | Stormscape | "Chysyk was picked up again by police on July 18 after he was spotted lurking around cars, a violation of his probation order." wtf is his probation order, he can't walk near cars? |
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| 00:03.28 | Amarande | yay 70 finally |
| 00:03.44 | Amarande | Stormscape: probably a prohibition on loitering of some sort, I'd imagine :S |
| 00:03.56 | fewyn | http://i.imgur.com/53T2p.jpg |
| 00:04.06 | Amarande | hrm |
| 00:04.12 | Amarande | shall I go back to Borean or finish SMV first |
| 00:04.21 | Stormscape | I'm more curious as to this probation order than how he managed to steal so many cars |
| 00:04.27 | Amarande | Borean would be faster leveling, but I'm loath to leave a BC zone without finishing the zone quest achievement :| |
| 00:04.35 | fewyn | do AV instead |
| 00:04.38 | fewyn | it's AV weekend |
| 00:04.41 | fewyn | questing sucks |
| 00:05.10 | Amarande | mostly because in outland and northrend, leaving a zone without finishing the zone achievement is a good way to forget where the quests you still needed to do are, thus guaranteeing you'll get n-1/n towards the loremaster achievement and not be able to figure out what you missed |
| 00:05.39 | Amarande | *especially* in Outland. |
| 00:06.02 | Amarande | The first principle of Outland Loremaster is: if you ever, ever, EVER want the Outland Loremaster achievement, you never abandon a quest. |
| 00:06.17 | Amarande | The second principle of Outland Loremaster is: if you ever, ever, EVER want the Outland Loremaster achievement, you never abandon a quest. |
| 00:06.19 | Ackis | Amarande: that's why you download a mod called Quest Completionist to see which ones you've missed |
| 00:06.20 | Stormscape | Outland Loremaster is easy |
| 00:06.24 | Stormscape | In fact, it's the only one I have |
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| 00:06.35 | Amarande | Stormscape: yeah, provided you never abandon a quest, even if your level would suggest moving on |
| 00:06.44 | Stormscape | I went back and did it at 80 |
| 00:06.49 | Amarande | if you do abandon a quest, you're guaranteed not to be able to figure out later where it was |
| 00:07.13 | Stormscape | I didn't get it until March of 2009 |
| 00:07.30 | Stormscape | You know what makes it easy to do? Quest Completion mods |
| 00:07.32 | Amarande | this is why I've been sparing about my outland questing |
| 00:07.36 | Stormscape | Shows you what you haven't done |
| 00:07.53 | Amarande | Stormscape: is it smart enough to only show quests that are actually still possible to get? |
| 00:08.02 | Stormscape | Yes |
| 00:08.31 | Amarande | and will it break if I still need it when 5.0 comes out? |
| 00:08.41 | Stormscape | Only if the quest API changes |
| 00:08.46 | Stormscape | which it isn't, afaik |
| 00:08.47 | Amarande | I'm kind of shuddering about 5.0, given that the WoWInterface addon survival list lists so many things as being "not updated" |
| 00:09.03 | Amarande | and it's not saying whether "not updated" means it doesn't actually need any changes for MoP or if it's going to break in MoP |
| 00:09.08 | Stormscape | I usually throw out all my add-ons except DBM and Recount and start over at the start of every expansion |
| 00:09.18 | Amarande | and some of the addons listed as not updated are vital staples |
| 00:09.28 | Amarande | I'm not sure what would happen without Auctioneer, for instance |
| 00:09.37 | Stormscape | I hope X-Perl's ridiculous bugs get fixed in Mists |
| 00:09.43 | Stormscape | I can't stand any other unit frames |
| 00:09.45 | Amarande | Probably be a lot harder to find non-run-of-the-mill items on AH, and things would probably cost a lot more |
| 00:09.54 | Amarande | because people would have to do their own searches to check prices on what they're about to sell |
| 00:10.00 | Stormscape | You really think nobody's gonna make a replacement? |
| 00:10.21 | Amarande | which means people would probably be less inclined to sell everything auctionable that they get, and thus stick to the most likely sellers, which they would jack up the price on to make up for their time and the fact that they're selling fewer things |
| 00:10.57 | Torhal | Stormscape: Considering the original author hasn't touched it in ages, and the guy who was bad-aiding it decided to stop for MoP, I doubt it. |
| 00:10.58 | Stormscape | If you really think nobody's gonna write a replacement for auctioneer you're being silly. |
| 00:11.03 | Torhal | band-aiding* |
| 00:11.13 | Stormscape | Torhal I mean an entirely new mod |
| 00:11.19 | Amarande | Well, one of the other problems (not affecting Auctioneer, mind you) is the screen real estate matter |
| 00:11.23 | Stormscape | Cataclysm was brutally disappointing for everybody |
| 00:11.31 | Amarande | It is difficult to customise the placement of Blizzard UI elements |
| 00:11.50 | Stormscape | How I customise Blizzard UI elements: I turn them off |
| 00:11.56 | Amarande | which means once you have enough addons that together need a substantial portion of screen real estate, you start needing even more addons, if nothing else in order to be able to easily arrange everything how you want |
| 00:12.18 | Stormscape | Hell, I'm probably the only person in the world still using CT_Mod |
| 00:13.47 | Amarande | I switched to Shadowed Unit Frames recently |
| 00:13.56 | Amarande | X-Perl is getting to be like bubblegum and toothpicks |
| 00:14.10 | Amarande | and Pitbull, while it WORKS just fine still, is likely to completely fall by the wayside too anyway |
| 00:14.16 | JunkHead | I use Shadowed. |
| 00:14.22 | JunkHead | It works well. |
| 00:14.26 | Amarande | seeing that they still haven't even put in the updated configurator like they apparently said they would before 4.0.3 or so |
| 00:14.41 | Amarande | afk |
| 00:15.13 | kuinkitty | brb mom on fire |
| 00:16.51 | Stormscape | Amarande, I don't really like Pitbull or SUF |
| 00:16.53 | Stormscape | I tried them both |
| 00:17.02 | Stormscape | but they both lack a certain... je ne sais quois. |
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| 00:17.26 | kuinkitty | Lé sex appeal? |
| 00:17.43 | Stormscape | I don't know what it is, but they just don't feel right |
| 00:18.00 | Stormscape | Also the X-perl feature showing who's targetting a mob is amazing for yelling at people during boss encounters |
| 00:18.06 | Stormscape | I could never give that up |
| 00:19.11 | kuinkitty | Never gonne give it up, never gonna let it down |
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| 00:42.42 | fewyn | "i have nothing to play" *looks at huge steam list of games and two mmos* |
| 00:43.41 | Amarande | back |
| 00:44.27 | kuinkitty | I have nothing to watch *looks at over 300 physical DVD's and few TB's of series' / movies* |
| 00:44.57 | fewyn | i know your feels |
| 01:19.02 | Amarande | hrm. |
| 01:19.04 | Amarande | something is odd with xp |
| 01:19.23 | Amarande | since I've dinged 70, yellow mobs in smv have been giving experience more comparable to a green mob that's about to turn grey next level |
| 01:19.34 | Amarande | ore nodes and quests are still giving full value though |
| 01:20.02 | Stormscape | Yeah that's normal |
| 01:20.22 | Stormscape | as soon as you hit 60, vanilla mobs give almost 0 XP, when you hit 70 TBC mobs give almost 0 XP, when you hit 80 Northrend mobs give you almost 0 XP |
| 01:20.27 | Stormscape | it's to make you go to the next expansion |
| 01:21.16 | Amarande | I'm guessing it's an afterthought put in later in cata to deal with the fact that with the tighter level ranges, hell, by the time we get to MoP, late LK mobs will still be green? |
| 01:21.35 | Amarande | (and, in fact, the top end LK mobs will still be green even at 90 ...) |
| 01:21.55 | Amarande | hm. |
| 01:22.00 | Amarande | do cata zones start giving almost nothing at 85, too? |
| 01:22.09 | Stormscape | It was put in at 4.0 I'm pretty sure |
| 01:24.16 | Amarande | heh. maybe I didn't notice it earlier because it doesn't really slow you down that much since it doesn't affect quests, and gathers are worth xp now |
| 01:24.55 | Amarande | and yes, there also seems to be a bug with tabard rep in outland |
| 01:25.06 | Amarande | I was finally able to confirm what the behaviour was when I went to Mech earlier |
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| 01:25.22 | Amarande | apparently, when you wear a city tabard in a BC dungeon |
| 01:25.31 | Amarande | it's capping your city rep at the same tier that it caps the BC rep that the dungeon gives |
| 01:25.42 | Amarande | (after which you only get "Alliance" or "Horde" generic rep that doesn't go to any city) |
| 01:30.03 | Stormscape | http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012-07/working-assault-rifle-made-3-d-printer |
| 01:31.08 | Amarande | yeah, I saw the "3D printed gun" thing from another site last night |
| 01:31.11 | Amarande | I wonder what will be the result of that |
| 01:31.31 | Amarande | hopefully we can still play WoW once people start telling their congressmen about this :| |
| 01:33.30 | Amarande | not that it would be likely for them to *actively* make half of gaming illegal |
| 01:33.59 | Amarande | but, next thing some idiot will tell their Congressmen about this since it makes it nigh on impossible to regulate guns if taken to its logical extension |
| 01:35.09 | Amarande | which means they'll try to do one of two things |
| 01:35.16 | Amarande | either ban 3D printers (really, really unlikely) |
| 01:35.42 | Amarande | or ban the distribution of schematics over the Internet for making weapons as if they *were* weapons (since they can be printed on a 3D printer) |
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| 01:36.50 | Amarande | the latter is what we need to worry about, since the US legislature is well known, ESPECIALLY when it comes to tech, for propositions that end up affecting a billion times more shit than it's actually meant to :| |
| 01:37.59 | Amarande | and next thing a law that might be proposed to curb unregulated production of guns ends up making "Schematic: Dark Iron Rifle" equally illegal :P |
| 02:11.53 | sygnous|mbpr | how do you shut that thing off on the minimap when you target something... it show a yellow X mark |
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| 03:39.24 | Amarande | I find that feature useful, actually |
| 03:39.43 | Amarande | especially when I'm trying to find a particular target's whereabouts and I'm like ... okay, I know it's nearby but WHERE |
| 03:40.45 | Amarande | hrm |
| 03:41.01 | Amarande | I'm guessing it's probably not going to be possible to finish Nagrand or Shadowmoon Valley achievements until I can afford 280% flying. :S |
| 03:41.28 | Stormscape | for SMV I'm pretty sure you NEED to do Netherwing |
| 03:42.08 | Amarande | I think there was one one off that sent you to Nagrand there, too, but that might have been a daily |
| 03:42.32 | Amarande | I know the initial chain for Netherwing can be done with 150% flying, but that you need 280% to get past neutral ... guessing you probably need the few one offs that gives you, too |
| 03:42.42 | Amarande | (unless maybe the aldor/scryer switcheroo can make those up before then) |
| 03:44.38 | Amarande | wow, luckiest quest ever |
| 03:44.46 | Amarande | got the legion teleporter control in one shot |
| 03:44.49 | Amarande | ... and there's khorium here :) |
| 03:45.26 | Stormscape | I did SMV without switching |
| 03:45.28 | Stormscape | so you don't need to |
| 03:47.29 | Amarande | I think Netherstorm is possible now without switching as well |
| 03:47.34 | Amarande | provided all the quests that used to be around still are |
| 03:47.49 | Amarande | I can't remember if they took out some of the old quest lines altogether if they were ones that led to the old no longer used keys |
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| 08:38.05 | JunkHead | damn what a night of shitty loot in d3 |
| 08:47.45 | Jammer | tell me about it |
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| 13:10.45 | Xalidin | Hello, I was wondering if anyone would be willing to send me a Scroll of Resurrection? I'm Xalidin on Moonguard. |
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| 14:15.14 | Ward | xalidin, eu realms? |
| 14:28.45 | Stormscape | He left |
| 14:28.57 | Ward | indeed |
| 14:30.59 | Eraclito | from a whois, the ip told florida |
| 14:37.33 | Amarande | he's on Moon Guard and he wants to come back? hopefully he gets his SoR from someone on Wyrmrest Accord or the like |
| 14:37.45 | Amarande | one, do you really want to come back to a server that's constantly full? |
| 14:37.50 | Amarande | two, do you really want to come back to Moon Guard? :P |
| 14:38.29 | Amarande | I wonder if Blizzard will see the light about WA's comments and cancel cross-realm zones for RP realms specifically, even if they go ahead for us regular PvE and PvP folks |
| 14:40.21 | Ward | I play on the most crowded server in Europe |
| 14:40.25 | Ward | don´t mind the queues |
| 14:40.49 | Ward | it´s the price you pay for a healthy economy, a lively realm and tons of people to play with |
| 14:43.24 | fewyn | http://i.imgur.com/aNWRv.jpg |
| 14:43.47 | Stormscape | I plan on transferring to Stormrage-US for Mists |
| 14:45.38 | Amarande | Yay new fishing dailies now that I hit 70 |
| 14:45.43 | Amarande | ... yes, shrimpin' ain't easy. |
| 14:45.55 | Amarande | in fact, I think this is the first time since I started this character that I'm going to have to actually go back to my bank and get bait. |
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| 14:47.41 | Eraclito | i still don't know, in eu they're going to open italian realms, they said |
| 14:47.43 | Amarande | wow, someone trying to sell vial of the sands at 28k |
| 14:47.47 | Amarande | I'm wondering if that's a legit one |
| 14:47.50 | Eraclito | my realm is half full of italian people (as myself) |
| 14:47.56 | Amarande | or if I've just discovered why people are so desperate to exploit to make vials :| |
| 14:48.07 | Amarande | we should have seen this one coming when cata came out, really ... |
| 14:48.25 | fewyn | hrm |
| 14:48.39 | fewyn | i'm trying to figure out the best way to use the legendary proc on my daggers as assassination |
| 14:48.54 | fewyn | Your melee attacks have a chance to grant Shadows of the Destroyer, increasing your Agility by 17, stacking up to 50 times. Each application past 30 grants an increasing chance to trigger Fury of the Destroyer. When triggered, this consumes all applications of Shadows of the Destroyer, immediately granting 5 combo points and cause your finishing moves to generate 5 combo points. Lasts 6 sec. |
| 14:49.20 | fewyn | not sure spamming envenom would be good |
| 14:49.48 | Amarande | 29,000 - 2,900 makes 27,100. So 28,000 is JUST enough to make a profit, assuming you get all the other mats on your own (which is not especially impossible, particularly if you realised truegold CDs would be valuable to have and leveled a lot of alchemist alts) |
| 14:49.54 | Amarande | unless I've miscalculated something |
| 14:50.09 | Amarande | which makes me quite figure out why the exploiting is getting out of hand :| |
| 14:50.43 | Amarande | 28k is right between the cost of the vendor mats with the guild perk and the cost of them without |
| 14:50.53 | Amarande | If things are really getting that tight on the pricing? |
| 14:51.04 | Eraclito | i've read around that there's plenty of realms with 15k vials |
| 14:51.09 | Eraclito | i'm not that lucky |
| 14:51.13 | Amarande | Yeah 15k is definitely not legit |
| 14:51.23 | Amarande | It's 29k without the guild perk for the vendor mats, 27.1k without |
| 14:51.27 | Eraclito | even if there's some player who ALWAYS sell on ah vials or crimson or similar mounts |
| 14:51.31 | Eraclito | like the tcg ones |
| 14:51.33 | Amarande | 28k might be explainable if someone didn't have to pay for any cooldowns and gathered all their mats |
| 14:51.44 | Eraclito | i've bought my crimson for 46k a couple of months ago |
| 14:51.53 | Eraclito | it was on ah, i still have it, i don't care if legit |
| 14:51.55 | Amarande | especially since it's a trade chat barker, not an AH post, so an individual one-off |
| 14:52.11 | Amarande | Eraclito: well if it's not legit when Blizzard investigates it all you're going to find yourself sans a crimson deathcharger, and also sans your 46k |
| 14:52.32 | Eraclito | nope if you bought stuff in ah, seems. if you use ah, you get your money back |
| 14:52.43 | Eraclito | also, i think logs already vanished away |
| 14:53.04 | Eraclito | but i don't see crimson deathcharger anymore around |
| 14:53.07 | Amarande | but yeah, if that 28k is legit it explains the exploiting alone |
| 14:53.22 | fewyn | ok seems you do spam envenom |
| 14:53.39 | Amarande | note the fact that the 10% vendor discount is at a desperately high guild level, so only probably a minority of players have access to it (there's a lot of level 25 guilds, but I'd bet that they're still a minority of guilds) |
| 14:54.34 | Amarande | if the prices are squeaking that far against the with-guild-perk vendor mats rate (again, wholly possible if people are rolling multiple alchemists to get extra Truegold CDs in a period of time, and at this point in cata what else has there been to do but do things like that for profit's sake, especially with BMAH coming up?) |
| 14:54.47 | Amarande | what that means is that people without the guild perk can't legitimately afford to compete |
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| 14:55.02 | Amarande | since 28k would be below-vendor for them |
| 14:55.26 | Amarande | I actually warned that this would happen ever since pre-cata. :| Someone should have nerfed the guild perk the same as the Goblin racial |
| 14:55.46 | Amarande | I wonder if it was even worse on Horde side - like you couldn't sell a vial or a bike for a profit at all there unless (pre-nerf) you were both a Goblin AND in a level 24 guild |
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| 14:56.24 | Amarande | because the level 24 guilders and goblins could afford to undercut you and still make a profit since they were getting a break on the mats |
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| 14:56.44 | fewyn | morning Noxy |
| 14:56.46 | Amarande | heh, except the seller is apparently guildless, sooo ... |
| 14:56.51 | Amarande | yeah, that's a 'sploited vial |
| 14:57.33 | fewyn | i bought my vial a long time ago |
| 14:57.34 | fewyn | so |
| 14:57.36 | fewyn | ~~ |
| 14:57.51 | Eraclito | split it and give the clones to us :3 |
| 15:00.23 | fewyn | i need to install power auras |
| 15:00.35 | Torhal | WeakAuras? :) |
| 15:00.43 | fewyn | i need to know when batman procs |
| 15:07.39 | Amarande | bah, why am I fishing here |
| 15:07.45 | Amarande | I'm supposed to be fishing in zangar for this quest *headdesk* |
| 15:08.54 | fewyn | someone finally posts a tcg item on the ah and it's one of the ones i don't like *sigh* |
| 15:12.43 | fewyn | Noxy |
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| 15:22.05 | Noxy | fewyn |
| 15:22.15 | Noxy | I know the mottled drake is up |
| 15:22.18 | Noxy | and I lav it |
| 15:22.20 | Noxy | ): |
| 15:22.35 | Noxy | but i think perc may have one for me, i need to see if she still has it |
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| 15:25.25 | fewyn | so |
| 15:25.33 | fewyn | i think we need to start emptying the guild bank |
| 15:25.51 | fewyn | before it all turns worthless |
| 15:26.13 | Noxy | agreed |
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| 15:30.47 | Amarande | anyway, do you think the guild perk might have an effect on the exploiting for vials etc.? |
| 15:31.03 | Amarande | (also, as an engineer, I'm wondering if I'm going to have trouble selling my bikes because of fear of exploits, too, unless I hugely inflate the price) |
| 15:31.27 | fewyn | selling vials and choppers are too much hassle |
| 15:31.32 | Amarande | I'm thinking that something like 20-25k, maybe even a little less, might be in the reasonable range for a chopper |
| 15:31.48 | Amarande | seeing as it's a ground mount, and barely anyone but mount collectors wants ground mounts anymore and is actually rich enough to buy a chopper |
| 15:32.01 | Amarande | but if I went that low, I get this sinking feeling people won't buy because they'll fear it was duped |
| 15:32.17 | Amarande | oh yay, the 80s station is playing the safety dance |
| 15:32.24 | Amarande | now I'm thinking of naxx :P |
| 15:33.23 | Amarande | and yeah, the reason I was saying the RP realms should be cut from the xrealm zones system is what I've touched on before, and what the Wyrmrest Accord people have noted in forums, too |
| 15:33.31 | Amarande | Each RP realm has its own individually evolved RP culture and style |
| 15:33.50 | Amarande | Forcing them to share zones on a randomish basis is likely to create clashes to the level of ridiculousness in every zone it occurs in |
| 15:34.17 | fewyn | http://explore.org/#!/live-cams/player/service-puppy-cam |
| 15:34.25 | fewyn | I APOLOGISE IN ADVANCE NOXY |
| 15:34.42 | Amarande | Like I've said, it's like taking two D&D gaming groups with completely different styles and then telling them they'll have to play in each other's world every now and then, whether they approve of it or not. |
| 15:35.08 | Amarande | (And any DM who did that would most likely find themselves slapped in the face with freshly-out-of-the-oven pizza. :P) |
| 15:35.13 | neutronimity | Duped? Via proc? |
| 15:35.33 | Amarande | neutronimity: nope, it's not truegold being multiplied by transmutation masters that's the issue |
| 15:35.47 | Amarande | it's some sort of exploit that lets people get the vendor-only mats for incredibly cheap prices |
| 15:35.59 | neutronimity | Sigh. |
| 15:36.01 | neutronimity | :( |
| 15:36.18 | Amarande | and I'm wondering if it might have been partially spurred on by the fact that in competitive markets, people who aren't in level 24+ guilds can't compete, so some of them looked to dishonest means, and then it spread |
| 15:37.11 | Amarande | and there aren't as many level 24+ guilds as some people seem to think. my guild's been around nearly a year for instance and is still probably on track to ding 22 sometime next month. so the competitive advantage of level 24+ guilds is, just as I thought it would be when cata came out, entirely too marked |
| 15:37.41 | Amarande | (not to mention the culture as a whole seems to ASSUME you're in a maxed guild now. we had a LFD wipe in Mechanar yesterday and everyone just assumed I had mass rez and were all :( when I told them we didn't) |
| 15:38.08 | Amarande | as I had had a feeling that we were going to wipe well before we did, and it was on the initial pull (which I think is actually where most wipes on mech happen) |
| 15:38.32 | Amarande | so as the battle got worse, I was inching as close as I could to the instance exit while still being in range to keep casting :P |
| 15:38.49 | Amarande | so I could GTFO as soon as everyone else went down (would be douchebaggy to run early) |
| 15:39.33 | Amarande | once it reset, I reentered, and people were like "mass rez" like everyone's assumed to have it now |
| 15:41.46 | neutronimity | Something else I've seen in LFD-dungeons when I was tanking - always when I was pausing for some reason to talk with a friend or look at map or see quest - people just say, "go" |
| 15:42.22 | Amarande | yeah, that's just douchebaggy |
| 15:42.33 | Amarande | even when people claim to have a reason, like the one hunter we had in ... forget what instance it was, BRD I think |
| 15:42.35 | neutronimity | Most often, "go", sometimes "tank?", and then also "just go" |
| 15:42.59 | Amarande | Where he was like "I need to get this finished quick so I can go to guild raid" |
| 15:43.07 | Amarande | if you have guild raid that soon, you shouldn't be in dungeon queue, especially as dps |
| 15:43.29 | neutronimity | Hehe, yes. |
| 15:43.33 | Amarande | although "tank?" I can understand |
| 15:43.47 | Amarande | especially if you paused without notice and for long enough that the entire rest of the group including healer is starting to continue |
| 15:44.04 | Amarande | being the tank doesn't give you a licence to AFK at will without notice, that's tank entitlement :P |
| 15:44.15 | Amarande | in fact, that's one of the other things I've seen negative on the CTA thread |
| 15:44.19 | neutronimity | Haha |
| 15:44.42 | neutronimity | I love setting my pace - making the group move, and so - just love tanking. |
| 15:44.45 | Amarande | that there's already far too many tanks who have this "tank entitlement" attitude, much like star quarterbacks and such |
| 15:44.46 | neutronimity | DPS is insanely boring for me. |
| 15:45.03 | Amarande | like "I AM THE SOUL OF YOUR GROUP, SO WORSHIP ME AND BE AT MY BECK AND CALL" |
| 15:45.10 | neutronimity | Hahahahaha |
| 15:45.15 | neutronimity | You are at my mercy. |
| 15:45.22 | Amarande | You would think that the healers would learn to help curb this. |
| 15:45.37 | Amarande | After all, if you start pissing off the DPS, that's one thing. If you start pissing off the healer when you're the guy whose job it is to take damage and GET healed ... |
| 15:46.00 | Amarande | And really, some of us DPS don't like gogogogogo either |
| 15:46.08 | neutronimity | But no, what I'm more thinking, peoples' social skills are just at a low when I've been queueing LFD's - they hardly say a word and if, it's just garbage. |
| 15:46.10 | Amarande | It's yet another reason I'm glad I don't spec arcane |
| 15:46.25 | Amarande | Arcane, as I understand it, requires you to drink often enough to make Lindsay Lohan seem like a teetotaller :P |
| 15:46.35 | Amarande | But how often do you actually get a chance to drink in LFD dungeons :) |
| 15:46.48 | neutronimity | Haha |
| 15:46.50 | Amarande | As frost you don't run low much, and when you do, your evocation is generally up |
| 15:47.24 | Amarande | you know, that's a strange thing about wow terminology, mind you :) |
| 15:47.39 | Amarande | spells cool "down," but when they're done cooling down, they're "up" heh |
| 15:47.47 | neutronimity | I guess I'm just really bothered that I group with 3-4 people and they hardly say anything to each other. :( |
| 15:48.06 | neutronimity | I guess that is like with a certain hard thing of the male anatomy :p |
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| 15:56.26 | Furline | Stupid question, but can you transfer a character off an account if the account is frozen? (as in, not currently being payed for) |
| 15:57.57 | Amarande | huh. I'm on a solid Medium pop server, but people in trade and such still refer to that as "low" |
| 15:58.07 | Furline | well, it doesn't matter because if i could it has mail regardless T_T |
| 15:58.11 | Amarande | is Medium really just there to make you feel better, and that population level is really low too? |
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| 15:58.30 | Furline | and..I am on a medium pop. server and the diffirence between it and the higher population ones is huge =/ |
| 15:59.27 | Amarande | and then there's Illidan, which practically needs its own population category according to wowprogress |
| 16:00.03 | Amarande | even a server as known for its high population as say Tich has less than 2/3 the active population of Illidan heh |
| 16:02.49 | Amarande | granted, I'm not sure how Ysera should feel low population, it should seem at least medium |
| 16:03.01 | Amarande | wowprogress is showing a population of just shy of 16k, with a nearly even alliance-horde ratio |
| 16:03.11 | Amarande | and it does, indeed, say "Medium" |
| 16:04.10 | Amarande | possibly it's because I'm leveling and thus tend to be in less popular zones a lot :) |
| 16:04.18 | Amarande | SW doesn't seem too empty, for instance |
| 16:05.15 | Amarande | however, I'm currently at the progression point as alliance where there's probably the largest disincentive to go to SW unless you're using the void storage or mog :S |
| 16:07.39 | Amarande | since I've finished all the Fish or Cut Baits, all the Let's Do Lunches, have NOT finished my wintersabre mount dailies, and have NOT yet caught Old Ironjaw |
| 16:08.08 | Amarande | In such a case, why would I go to SW? For efficiency, I should be doing all my cooking and fishing dailies in Darn, so I save a teleport because it's on the same continent as Winterspring where I need to go to get today's whisker |
| 16:08.48 | Amarande | and once I finish the wintersabre, I'll be wanting mostly to base in IF, since doing the fishing dailies there also usually gives a shot at getting Old Ironjaw en passant :) |
| 16:11.37 | Amarande | That and IF being almost unfairly useful for leveling cooking quickly. :) |
| 16:13.02 | Amarande | (I've probably shared that before, but the trick is that in IF, and only in IF, you can buy meat from the AH and be able to cook it *immediately* upon picking up your mail without having to first move to a cooking area) |
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| 16:38.37 | Amarande | hrm. all the quests left in my SMV list right now have G3 or higher |
| 16:38.46 | Amarande | I think discretion dictates that I leave these till 75-78 or so :) |
| 16:39.36 | Amarande | although I might be able to do the Path of Conquest ones and Uvuros sooner. hrm. |
| 16:40.11 | Amarande | I was pleased with already not needing to use Bloodmaul Brutebane Brew to take out the Bladespire leaders, since I'm one of those DPS who actually knows how to use their CC :) |
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| 16:41.19 | Amarande | you know, I wonder if the average skill of DPS would be better if there were more fights like this one |
| 16:41.41 | Amarande | Where the elites are too strong to just pewpew down if you decide on a direct approach, but if you properly make use of your CC abilities, you can do it without even the provided quest gimmick |
| 16:42.02 | Amarande | rather than ones where the elites are SO strong that you either *have to* use the gimmick to avoid them, or *have to* resort to a group, thus meaning that DPS get less practise with CC than otherwise |
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| 16:49.13 | Amarande | g0urra, here, the cat has been playing with this string and this tin can was almost rusted through. take these replacements. :) |
| 16:49.40 | Amarande | meanwhile hands off the [Tangled String] and [Rusty Tin Can] to a random fishing daily giver to put in the goodie bag. |
| 16:53.14 | Amarande | hmm. |
| 16:53.17 | Amarande | full length maintenance this week |
| 16:53.19 | Amarande | patch day? |
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| 17:04.11 | fewyn | no |
| 17:04.13 | fewyn | not even close |
| 17:04.18 | fewyn | end of next month |
| 17:04.27 | fewyn | unless they are fixing this "exploit" you keep speaking of |
| 17:07.30 | Amarande | yeah, have they hotfixed the sands duping *yet*? |
| 17:07.42 | Amarande | I'd like to go back to being able to use the AH without having to think about whether I'm buying from cheaters. :| |
| 17:27.12 | fewyn | ask? |
| 17:28.28 | Mr_Rabies | i don't even understand how duping could work in wow, though apparently it does |
| 17:28.55 | Mr_Rabies | it doesn't seem very commonplace like it was in diablo, of course, but still |
| 17:29.08 | Mr_Rabies | the item's stored serverside O_o |
| 17:30.20 | Amarande | yeah, I'm not sure how it works |
| 17:30.51 | Amarande | though a mage on Ysera who's been playing the auction house for far longer than I have says something about how it happens every now and again for short periods |
| 17:31.08 | Amarande | and if you are worried about trying to sell legits of the same thing during the time frame, just keep them in bank and wait] |
| 17:31.17 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, some high value stuff is duped fairly often |
| 17:31.19 | Amarande | especially with things like mounts that sell well even past their expansion :) |
| 17:31.30 | Mr_Rabies | like crimson deathcharger |
| 17:31.33 | Mr_Rabies | and vial |
| 17:31.58 | Mr_Rabies | i wish they would fix whatever allows it, because it seems to be mostly mounts |
| 17:32.13 | Amarande | well crimson deathcharger I would expect to be devalued steadily anyway |
| 17:32.24 | Mr_Rabies | and it seems like a relatively difficult process |
| 17:32.31 | Mr_Rabies | since it's ONLY really high value stuff |
| 17:32.40 | Amarande | simply because now it's that much easier to get a pally/warrior/DK to 80 (especially since they're all classes that can tank, so you can level through instant dungeon queues) and get shadowmourne than it was in LK |
| 17:32.54 | raspy | finally got my outland raider achiev done ya prolly would laugh at what one i needed for it |
| 17:33.00 | Amarande | raspy: kara? |
| 17:33.04 | raspy | naw |
| 17:33.06 | raspy | sunwell |
| 17:33.06 | Amarande | Maggie? |
| 17:33.08 | Amarande | ah |
| 17:33.09 | Amarande | heh |
| 17:35.41 | tate | so.. |
| 17:35.59 | tate | is there some thing that i can enter in lvl 60 dungeons as lvl 50? |
| 17:36.03 | tate | since cata |
| 17:36.31 | Amarande | I think you've always been able to enter level 60 dungeons as level 50 |
| 17:36.44 | Amarande | I remember in BC or LK, before ony became level 80 anyway |
| 17:36.59 | Amarande | I was questing dustwallow at dustwallow levels and wandered up to the raid portal for Ony and it said I had to be "at least level 50 and in a raid group" |
| 17:37.04 | Amarande | so even the level 60 *raids* could be zoned into at 50 |
| 17:37.27 | Amarande | there aren't many level 60 dungeons left, though |
| 17:37.46 | Amarande | I think the only ones that are still that level (as in even queuable at 60, let alone monsters at that level) are ST, BRD, and BRS |
| 17:38.14 | Amarande | which dungeon were you entering? Scholo and Strath were nerfed down to the forties with cata |
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| 17:38.32 | Amarande | and Dire Maul is actually between late 30s to early 50s now I think |
| 17:39.23 | Amarande | there's ... not much upper-50s content in general left pre outland now |
| 17:39.46 | Amarande | only one such zone per continent, and only those three dungeons as even queuable among classic by 60 |
| 17:40.26 | Amarande | and "only one such zone per continent" is a little pushing it. Silithus has barely any content left (less than 20 quests for loremaster there. I think the only one with less than that is Arathi Highlands as Alliance) |
| 17:41.44 | Amarande | Although not all level changes were reductions. I do like that they upped the level of RFD again in particular though. It balances it again. :) |
| 17:41.57 | Amarande | When they reduced dungeon levels in 2.3, it actually made RFD *WAY HARDER*, ironically enough |
| 17:45.31 | tate | hmm |
| 17:45.34 | tate | well |
| 17:45.35 | tate | nice |
| 17:48.22 | Amarande | the problem with RFD was armour type, I think |
| 17:48.36 | Amarande | see, they never changed the amount of mobs that I can see, only the levels |
| 17:48.38 | Ward | the problem with RFD, is the group breaking escort quest |
| 17:48.46 | Amarande | and with the 2.3 level reductions, it went from being just above 40 to just below 40 |
| 17:48.52 | Amarande | (and then back to just above 40 with 4.0) |
| 17:48.55 | Ward | where one douchebag starts it before everyone has the quest, and then 2 other people leave |
| 17:49.09 | Amarande | so basically, instead of nerfing it by level reduction, they made it harder |
| 17:49.18 | Amarande | because the monster count didn't drop, the monsters didn't really get that much weaker |
| 17:49.30 | Amarande | but it went from a level where you have plate tanks to a level where they still only had mail |
| 17:49.43 | Amarande | now they have plate again |
| 17:49.47 | Ward | it was never actually hard |
| 17:49.56 | Amarande | and the escort quest is just a bitch in general |
| 17:50.06 | Amarande | I remember the time I did it in BC. We had TWO prot pallies in the group and we STILL barely limped through |
| 17:50.07 | Ward | I usually end up solo´ing it after an RFD run |
| 17:50.33 | Ward | the escort quest isn´t hard to do, it´s just a pain in the ass because someone always starts it before everyone has the quest |
| 17:50.40 | Ward | and also, why is there that useless prequest |
| 17:50.50 | Ward | that guarantees it won´t be shared properly |
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| 18:11.29 | kullervo | go cry about it on the forums or something, no dev will see it here |
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| 18:32.45 | Amarande | hmm. |
| 18:32.52 | Amarande | as an Ultima fan, I *must* tame a Shard-hide Boar eventually when I have a hunter |
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| 19:03.32 | fewyn | man |
| 19:03.34 | fewyn | fuck rocket boost |
| 19:03.42 | fewyn | fails way too often |
| 19:04.56 | Djones_ | More accurately |
| 19:04.58 | Djones_ | fuck team rocket |
| 19:05.00 | Djones_ | amirite? |
| 19:11.50 | Amarande | Team Rocket, blasting off again? |
| 19:11.57 | fewyn | MEOW THAT'S RIGHT |
| 19:12.08 | Amarande | Hrm. I've been hearing a rumour lately that Activision wants to buy out all other MMOs and eventually discontinue WoW once they do? |
| 19:12.18 | fewyn | oh yes that's totally true |
| 19:12.26 | fewyn | activision is going to buy sony |
| 19:12.26 | fewyn | and ea |
| 19:12.29 | Amarande | also that they're trying to buy EA :P |
| 19:12.35 | Amarande | I'd think more likely EA would buy Activision heh |
| 19:12.41 | fewyn | doubt it |
| 19:12.44 | Amarande | granted, that could be bad for WoW, too |
| 19:12.55 | Amarande | "it competes with our existing product so it will be canceled" like the infamous UO2 affair :P |
| 19:15.21 | Amarande | and why yes, EA did indeed do something that boneheaded |
| 19:15.31 | Amarande | they announced Ultima Online II many years ago, it was even advertised on the back of the CD case for Ultima IX |
| 19:15.46 | Amarande | then like, right after that it was canned, citing that "UO2 would compete with our existing MMO offering" |
| 19:22.09 | Amarande | Though one has to wonder if at that time they were thinking of TSR's fate |
| 19:22.32 | Amarande | (TSR went bankrupt because they tried to offer many more products than the market had time and money to partake of) |
| 19:26.58 | g0urra | TSR? |
| 19:27.25 | Torhal | …the company that made Dungeons & Dragons in the '70s |
| 19:29.21 | g0urra | what does that have to do with UO? |
| 19:31.14 | Amarande | g0urra: wondering if EA got paranoid about offering too many products since such a flagship RPG company tanked doing just that |
| 19:31.24 | Amarande | granted, it might just be EA having been EA |
| 19:32.11 | Amarande | basically at one point they announced a sequel to their MMO and then decided it would be too much competition for the existing MMO's subscribers *eyeroll* |
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| 19:43.20 | fewyn | so i logged onto the beta and was like what why does the game look so much better |
| 19:43.30 | fewyn | so i opened live next to it and on the same settings |
| 19:43.36 | fewyn | beta def looks better |
| 19:43.58 | fewyn | http://www.fewyn.net/img/2012-07-29_15-42-38.png |
| 19:44.01 | fewyn | beta on left |
| 19:44.03 | fewyn | live on right |
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| 19:51.23 | Alram | live doesnt have ssao |
| 19:51.45 | Alram | thats the major difference |
| 19:52.07 | fewyn | acroynmns |
| 19:52.15 | fewyn | screen space ambient occlusion |
| 19:52.16 | fewyn | ? |
| 19:52.21 | Alram | yeppers |
| 19:52.23 | fewyn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_Space_Ambient_Occlusion |
| 19:52.34 | fewyn | tmyk |
| 19:52.41 | Noxy | gosh |
| 19:52.46 | Noxy | thank you for the side by sides o: |
| 19:52.52 | fewyn | yw |
| 19:53.00 | fewyn | this is why i have MULTIPLE MONITORS |
| 19:53.04 | Noxy | that looks so amazing |
| 19:55.25 | fewyn | hey |
| 19:55.34 | fewyn | do account wide mounts work ~across~ realms? |
| 19:55.47 | fewyn | i doubt it |
| 19:57.48 | fewyn | it seems it is |
| 19:57.49 | fewyn | hurrah |
| 20:00.06 | Noxy | I hope hordie mounts keep working :3 |
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| 21:42.26 | fewyn | hrm |
| 21:42.31 | fewyn | they removed instant poison in mop |
| 21:43.39 | fewyn | poisons are now a buff |
| 21:43.40 | fewyn | ohhhhhhh |
| 21:47.14 | Jammer | buff makes sense |
| 21:50.28 | fewyn | so i think deadly/leeching poisons for leveling |
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| 22:08.28 | fewyn | okay i think i'm getting a feel for how assassination changed in mop |
| 22:11.47 | fewyn | i'm like wtf are these green ! on my map |
| 22:11.51 | fewyn | and i'm like ohhhhhhh |
| 22:12.00 | fewyn | BEEN AWHILE SINCE I'VE SEEN ONE OF THOSE |
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| 23:48.46 | Stormscape | I just had an LFR who literally couldn't figure out how to do Spine. They killed 4 amalgs before they had 9 blood. So I hearthed. |
| 23:58.52 | Jammer | well as long as the tank can position it right after that shouldn't be a problem? :P |
| 23:59.44 | Jammer | tho chances are madness won't be going much better |
