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| 00:33.44 | g0urra | but then they wouldn't really be worgen.. |
| 00:36.58 | g0urra | www.ebay.com/itm/World-Warcraft-Collectors-Edition-PC-2004-/290749384734 |
| 00:37.06 | g0urra | I wonder how many didn't read that it doesn't include the key lulz |
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| 00:46.19 | Kane_Hart | I wish there was a simple php site / script or something where I can just list my friends onto one page |
| 00:46.34 | Kane_Hart | just to keep tabs on them and also share it with them to keep tabs of our circle of friends |
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| 01:00.40 | Demetrious | Kane_Hart: Notepad or TextEdit can do that and more. |
| 01:02.11 | Kane_Hart | I don't know if you are being an asshat or not but clearly I would want the latest info about their characters and such. More of a web page grabs data |
| 01:03.12 | Demetrious | I did not associate friends with WoW specifically. |
| 01:03.26 | Demetrious | I thought your request was simpler. |
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| 01:04.29 | Stormscape | >want the latest info about their characters |
| 01:04.30 | Kane_Hart | ahh sorry yeah I wanted something a bit more :( Like WoWhead has a character list but for your characters only. Be cool to make a public list where you add your friends and share a link to keep track their progress |
| 01:04.32 | Stormscape | Stalker Level 9000 |
| 01:05.02 | Kane_Hart | and playing a online video game level of no life 9001+ ;) |
| 01:05.17 | Demetrious | I see. Sounds like a good idea though. Send the request to Wowhead head honcho! |
| 01:05.42 | sygnous|mbp | damn, I haven't looked at the talents system in a long time |
| 01:05.46 | sygnous|mbp | completely different now |
| 01:07.59 | sygnous|mbp | is the beta over? don't see the client download link in my account |
| 01:10.19 | raspy | hmmm |
| 01:13.04 | Amarande | heh, I just noticed that my mage has exactly 9000 mana at the moment |
| 01:13.30 | Amarande | (it appears that this is reached by being a level 68 mage with precisely 483 int) |
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| 01:24.38 | fewyn | omg i'm getting my legendary tomorrow! |
| 01:24.40 | fewyn | so excited |
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| 01:41.17 | heyboys | hey mind helping me? |
| 01:41.20 | heyboys | i am |
| 01:41.31 | heyboys | looking for help :D |
| 01:41.53 | g0urra | with what |
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| 01:42.09 | sygnous|mbpr | seems I still have the beta client... wonder if my account is still active |
| 01:42.13 | heyboys | could you send me a scroll of ressurection |
| 01:42.22 | heyboys | please |
| 01:42.54 | g0urra | EU or US? |
| 01:43.02 | heyboys | us |
| 01:43.04 | Stormscape | "The panel concluded that although the linesman tried to prevent Hansen from continuing his action, the player ignored these attempts and searched for new confrontations with his opponents. Hansen could not be calmed down. This resulted in sending the player off the ice and into the dressing room in order to prevent any further escalation." |
| 01:43.06 | heyboys | email |
| 01:43.10 | Stormscape | Jannik Hansen doesn't give a fuck |
| 01:43.10 | g0urra | no can do |
| 01:43.17 | Stormscape | heyboys PM me I can do it. |
| 01:43.35 | heyboys | i dont have my account active can you do it from here |
| 01:43.41 | Stormscape | Yes. |
| 01:43.46 | heyboys | k |
| 01:43.49 | heyboys | email |
| 01:43.58 | heyboys | itisman_rocks15@hotmail.com |
| 01:44.02 | heyboys | and i am us |
| 01:44.06 | heyboys | aUS* |
| 01:44.14 | Stormscape | sent |
| 01:44.20 | heyboys | really |
| 01:44.24 | heyboys | that quick |
| 01:44.45 | heyboys | should i get it quick |
| 01:44.49 | Demetrious | I certainly hope you never apply for a job, nor use that address on your resume :-P |
| 01:45.57 | heyboys | oh |
| 01:45.59 | heyboys | i know |
| 01:46.14 | heyboys | aha i heave heard that multiple times :P |
| 01:46.23 | heyboys | have* |
| 01:47.01 | heyboys | i havent got the invite |
| 01:47.07 | heyboys | mind sending again pretty please |
| 01:47.23 | Stormscape | Be patient. |
| 01:47.38 | heyboys | usually they are lickity split quick |
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| 01:49.50 | heyboys | im very unpatient :( i just want to make sure you did it right |
| 01:50.25 | Stormscape | You really think so lowly of your fellow man that you assume I can't type in an e-mail address? |
| 01:50.27 | Stormscape | Fuck you buddy. |
| 01:50.55 | Demetrious | Haha! |
| 01:51.15 | heyboys | lol :P |
| 01:51.23 | heyboys | i put it in wrong? |
| 01:51.30 | heyboys | :P |
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| 01:53.12 | heyboys | you cant invite someone on a differnt server area |
| 01:53.37 | heyboys | can you |
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| 01:54.57 | heyboys | anyone mind sending it again |
| 01:55.03 | heyboys | Please |
| 01:55.28 | Stormscape | Stop being such an impatient little shit. It's been sent you have to wait for Blizzard's e-mail servers to queue it up and send it. |
| 01:55.50 | heyboys | aha say that before hand and i wount be an impatient bitch |
| 01:56.10 | heyboys | i got it ;) thanks |
| 01:57.21 | Stormscape | Get some brains you fuckhead |
| 01:57.30 | fewyn | so angry |
| 01:57.39 | sygnous|mbpr | hmm, might need to get a new mouse... this once doesn't really have any options for mac -- IE: no drivers for buttons, etc. |
| 01:59.06 | sygnous|mbpr | curse client the best addon manager these days? |
| 02:00.01 | Stormscape | I'm not really a fan of addon managers so I wouldn't know |
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| 02:02.31 | sygnous|mbpr | cool, I'll just that for now... used to be good before |
| 02:03.02 | fewyn | be a real man and download all your addons manually |
| 02:04.06 | sygnous|mbpr | lol |
| 02:04.19 | sygnous|mbpr | minion is still around as well |
| 02:22.26 | Stormscape | http://www.thedailyblink.com/2012/07/forum-raiders-in-real-life/ |
| 02:31.26 | g0urra | sygnous|mbpr: there aren't many addon managers that are good, but yes the curse client is good |
| 02:32.00 | sygnous|mbpr | yeah, still works good... it's cool you can install addons from a weblink |
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| 13:56.09 | fewyn | man why does landslide have to be the worst glow effect in the game? |
| 13:57.30 | Stormscape | Power Torrent is worse |
| 13:57.40 | Stormscape | they should have picked one, red fire or purple fire |
| 13:57.41 | Stormscape | not both |
| 13:59.08 | fewyn | i can't even see my daggers |
| 13:59.17 | fewyn | and it's going to make my legendary daggers even more disappointing |
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| 15:00.04 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] Klaxxi Reputation Preview and News Round Up - http://www.wowhead.com/news=205029/klaxxi-reputation-preview-and-news-round-up |
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| 15:51.01 | Djones_ | I'm saddened by the fact that I am the only person interested in Borderlands 2 out of all my friends. |
| 15:51.44 | fewyn | YOU OBVIOUSLY NEED NEW FRIENDS |
| 15:55.00 | Djones_ | Truest of facts. |
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| 17:08.43 | fewyn | [13:06:53] Wrathion says: There's no need to worry, Fahrad. This next mission is ... quite likely ... suicide. |
| 17:09.12 | sidji | hm |
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| 18:14.12 | Demetrious | System Information: Model: iMac (27-inch Mid 2011) • CPU: Intel Core i7-2600 (8 Cores) @ 3.40 GHz • L2: 262.14 KB • L3: 8.39 MB • Memory: 32.00 GB • Uptime: 1 Day • Disk Space: Total: 999.35 GB; Free: 974.87 GB • Graphics: AMD Radeon HD 6970M • Screen Resolution: 2560 x 1440 • Load: 8% • OS: Mac OS X 10.8 (Build 12A269) (64-bit kernel) |
| 18:14.34 | Demetrious | Hmm, did that just went out to the channel? |
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| 18:21.01 | fewyn | TO GET MY LEGENDARY |
| 18:21.10 | fewyn | flies to ravenholdt |
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| 18:32.18 | fewyn | LEEEEGENDARY DAGGERS |
| 18:32.20 | fewyn | HELL YEAH |
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| 19:25.58 | fewyn | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/velen/Fewyn/advanced |
| 19:27.11 | Mr_Rabies | grats fewyn |
| 19:33.46 | Corgan | licks fewyn |
| 19:34.26 | fewyn | I AM BATMAN |
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| 22:26.34 | fewyn | why the duck did i buy a blizzcon 2010 picture frame? |
| 22:26.45 | fewyn | it seems to have been sitting in the original box since 2010 |
| 22:28.26 | Eraclito | fewyn, because it looked cool, i guess. i have plenty of things who looked cool |
| 22:28.37 | fewyn | but it doesn't really look cool |
| 22:28.40 | Eraclito | i buy lots of crap, i never have money |
| 22:28.41 | fewyn | nor do i have any pictures |
| 22:28.47 | Eraclito | print something |
| 22:28.50 | fewyn | i bought it at blizzcon 2010 |
| 22:28.59 | Eraclito | everytime i go to Ikea, i buy something |
| 22:29.07 | Eraclito | it's not like i need that stuff |
| 22:29.23 | Eraclito | like... a small black lantern. i mean, wtf, i don't start fires |
| 22:29.33 | Eraclito | my room is full of comics, i'd burn alive in a matter of seconds |
| 22:29.58 | fewyn | i have many many computer parts |
| 22:30.02 | fewyn | and comics |
| 22:30.03 | fewyn | and books |
| 22:30.06 | fewyn | and mtg cards |
| 22:30.09 | fewyn | and wowtcg cards |
| 22:34.49 | Eraclito | i have stuff like... white mokona and black mokona at the two opposites of my monitor, on the speakers |
| 22:36.44 | fewyn | i have bender, zoidberg, and robot devil on my desk |
| 22:36.59 | fewyn | also doctor doom's head |
| 22:37.09 | fewyn | two space lego men |
| 22:37.25 | fewyn | and a surfer chick lego figure |
| 22:37.43 | fewyn | http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/e91a/?srp=13 <- futurama |
| 22:38.04 | Eraclito | oh zoidberg, i saw it years ago on a con |
| 22:38.07 | Eraclito | never seen him again |
| 22:38.35 | Eraclito | well, actually i have some more stuff... like yuki nagato reading a book near gretel from black lagoon |
| 22:40.34 | Eraclito | and... homer simpson, fluttershy, matsuri sakuragi, a slowpoke, suezo from monster rancher, brainy smurf, time wizard from yugioh, FLUTTERSHY from bigmac, the nerd from lego figures season 7... |
| 22:41.03 | kuinkitty | butts |
| 22:41.11 | fewyn | sttub |
| 22:41.56 | kuinkitty | bstut |
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| 22:48.14 | Amarande | hrm. |
| 22:48.29 | Amarande | would I be right to blame transmog for the horrendous, mind-crushingly high prices of any bags above 16 slots lately? |
| 22:51.34 | kuinkitty | Not sure, I'm just happy I finally received my Bulwark of Azzinoth |
| 22:54.56 | Amarande | Basically on Ysera Alliance it's going ... 10-35g for Netherweave, then all the way up to 170g for 18 slot, then 300g for 20 slot, then 350-450 for 22 slot, and of course the expected 3000g or so for 26 slot |
| 22:55.11 | Amarande | I'm wondering if Xmog is to blame for the 18 and 20 slot bags being so much more expensive than expected |
| 22:55.28 | Amarande | I remember 18 slot especially used to be far, far cheaper |
| 22:55.49 | kuinkitty | I have some welfare 18/20 slot bags from quests and crap, Im happy with them :D |
| 22:56.43 | Amarande | The chief thing that occurs to me is this: |
| 22:56.54 | Amarande | No bag larger than 16 slots can be made without using some form of IMBUED, not regular cloth |
| 22:57.21 | Amarande | (maybe 22 slot embersilk? not 100% sure if that one is imbued embersilk too, but I definitely recall that frostweave bags don't come in a non-imbued version) |
| 22:57.34 | Amarande | therefore, the cloth requires enchant mats to make ... |
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| 22:58.41 | kuinkitty | Not sure if I stopped caring after wotlk or not |
| 22:58.47 | Amarande | gah |
| 22:58.53 | Amarande | yup, I suspect my gut feeling is right :( |
| 22:58.58 | Amarande | enchant mats seem to be awfully expensive lately too |
| 22:59.15 | Amarande | which I am imagining because the greens market got completely ... transmogrified |
| 22:59.39 | Eraclito | i want the matching belt and boots for my tier :( |
| 22:59.41 | Amarande | Greens with good xmog looks are going for premium prices, meanwhile fewer greens without good xmog looks are even being sold |
| 23:00.24 | Amarande | And meanwhile you level through BC more rapidly than ever, and you don't spend as much time in LK instances as you did pre cata |
| 23:01.12 | kuinkitty | I want the damn gutrog bloodbloil staff for my priest |
| 23:01.29 | kuinkitty | Only thing that matters in this game right now is that damn staff |
| 23:03.15 | Eraclito | my memory tells it's the priest tier 5 matching one |
| 23:03.27 | kuinkitty | Your memory is brilliant |
| 23:03.41 | Amarande | I didn't know weapons had tiers :) |
| 23:03.43 | Eraclito | you have the matching belt and boots, right? :3 i spank people not transmogging the right belt |
| 23:03.55 | Eraclito | some tier 5 weapons had matching weapons in hyjal/bt |
| 23:04.04 | Amarande | heh, my desired xmog box still isn't perfect |
| 23:04.13 | Amarande | you wouldn't happen to know if there's a crimson cloth belt around that's moggable? |
| 23:04.32 | kuinkitty | I dont have the belt, everything else is all white and angelic |
| 23:04.42 | Eraclito | mmh the tier 5 mage one is kinda red |
| 23:05.02 | Amarande | lolyay I found talasite |
| 23:05.03 | Eraclito | http://www.wowhead.com/item=30038 |
| 23:05.17 | Amarande | the one cuttable gem that's been vendor trash ever since it was new pretty much :P |
| 23:05.50 | Amarande | one thing I've been pretty much aware of since BC. green (colour, not quality) gems seem to always, always suck :| |
| 23:06.19 | Amarande | there even a single PvE build now for which green-coloured gems are correct? |
| 23:06.34 | kuinkitty | Tanks, in some cases |
| 23:06.39 | kuinkitty | mastery/stamina gem |
| 23:09.02 | Eraclito | i wish wowhead profiler would show the transmogged gear |
| 23:09.02 | kuinkitty | Other than those rare cases, they are still rubbish |
| 23:09.12 | Eraclito | (well kinda off topic) |
| 23:09.42 | Amarande | ah, right, stamina is blue |
| 23:09.47 | Eraclito | (the only place i have all my characters linked is wowhead and well i'm too lazy to make a list somewhere else) |
| 23:09.52 | kuinkitty | Still, Bulwark of Azzinoth, f'ck yeah |
| 23:10.16 | Amarande | it occurred to me that green has to always, always suck because of two main things, neither of which blizz seems interested in fixing |
| 23:10.27 | Amarande | 1) that ALL the primary stats are on red gems now (well except for stamina for tanks) |
| 23:10.32 | kuinkitty | It's "working as intented" |
| 23:10.43 | Amarande | 2) they keep ACCELERATING rather than putting the breaks on ratings decay |
| 23:11.17 | kuinkitty | Well, they can't even fix Madness of Deathwing |
| 23:11.20 | Amarande | which has got to the point where literally, with the *possible* exception of hit on DPS builds (and even then only if you can't get capped any other way yet), it's never correct to gem for something other than your class/role's primary stat |
| 23:11.24 | Eraclito | we need a new gem system, i've been telling that since wotlk. when they moved hit to blue it was a step, but we need more |
| 23:12.00 | kuinkitty | We need pink gems |
| 23:12.03 | Amarande | And yellow is *only* nonhit ratings (stamina, spirit, and hit are all blue), so it's about as useless as the piss it's the colour of :| |
| 23:13.02 | Amarande | Back in the day, you used to have to actually think about whether you should gem for something other than your primary stat or hit rating |
| 23:13.27 | Amarande | but that was also back when ratings actually mattered beyond "well, this item is so and so ilvl so you're getting X points of useful ratings on it assuming the item is right for your role" |
| 23:13.33 | kuinkitty | Like shamans? haste. gemming done. |
| 23:13.38 | kuinkitty | (resto) |
| 23:13.47 | Amarande | not int or spirit? |
| 23:13.54 | kuinkitty | no int gems back then |
| 23:14.15 | Amarande | of course, now it's all int or maybe spirit for healers |
| 23:14.17 | Eraclito | well back in wotlk it was kinda the same. tank? STA! caster? INT! |
| 23:14.24 | Eraclito | well, spellpower |
| 23:14.28 | kuinkitty | yep |
| 23:14.30 | Eraclito | everything else was crap |
| 23:14.42 | Eraclito | in cata they added *good* socket bonuses |
| 23:14.48 | Amarande | that's because LK was the first round of ratings really starting to become irrelevant to bother actively bothering with (except for hit as necessary, and perhaps avoidance on tanks) |
| 23:14.55 | Stormscape | For priests, gemming is still the same as in Wrath |
| 23:14.59 | Stormscape | shadow priests that is |
| 23:15.10 | Stormscape | Red? INT Yellow? HASTE/INT? Blue? INT |
| 23:15.12 | Amarande | even in LK, a primary stat point was worth twice as much as any rating point |
| 23:15.26 | Amarande | in Cata I think the weights now are greater than 3:1 between primary and any rating of any sort? |
| 23:15.29 | kuinkitty | And now my shaman has to gem the damn int |
| 23:15.42 | Stormscape | The bonus has to be stupidly good for me to consider putting anything other than a Brilliant Inferno Ruby in a blue socket |
| 23:16.00 | Eraclito | exactly |
| 23:16.03 | Amarande | I'm expecting that the weight imbalance is going to be 5:1 or greater by MoP |
| 23:16.15 | *** join/#wowhead DevilStick (~DevilStic@cpe-065-190-078-115.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 23:16.19 | Eraclito | i really think they should change something |
| 23:16.22 | Eraclito | like the glyphs |
| 23:16.26 | Eraclito | they should remove the main stats |
| 23:16.31 | Eraclito | they're too mandatory |
| 23:16.34 | kuinkitty | I expect everything will be fucked in MoP |
| 23:16.40 | Eraclito | (for the gems, of course) |
| 23:16.47 | Amarande | heh, they are changing the glyphs |
| 23:16.49 | Stormscape | Haste is actually nearly 1:1 for shadow until the first breakpoint |
| 23:16.55 | Stormscape | then it drastically reduces in importance |
| 23:16.56 | Eraclito | let gems increase secondary stats only |
| 23:16.58 | Amarande | which is why I didn't go herbs/inscription on this mage like I did on my last mage on the other server |
| 23:17.14 | Stormscape | and in Mists mastery is ridiculously OP |
| 23:17.18 | Amarande | I'm waiting for MoP to be out so the glyph dust will settle |
| 23:17.24 | kuinkitty | Also I think my GPU is breaking |
| 23:17.31 | Stormscape | kuin why do you say that |
| 23:17.33 | Stormscape | Also hi kuin |
| 23:17.45 | Amarande | Storm: heh, I wonder if that's a disgruntled developer decision |
| 23:18.00 | Amarande | mastery was cata's "yay here you go have a new super awesome stat" stat |
| 23:18.00 | kuinkitty | Sometimes it starts drawing gibberish pixels under heavy load and HAI! |
| 23:18.18 | Stormscape | yeah for shadow mastery was totally worthless until you got 30% haste |
| 23:18.21 | Amarande | ... and yet, it got ignored like all the other secondary stats, in fact some builds didn't even really benefit much at all from their masteries |
| 23:18.21 | Stormscape | then it became a god stat |
| 23:18.40 | Stormscape | and for ret any mastery = you're a terrible player |
| 23:19.22 | Amarande | Of course, if you really wanted to simplify it you could just have PvE Defence and PvE Power stats. :P |
| 23:19.32 | Amarande | And be like PvP players have been for like ... ever since BC :P |
| 23:19.44 | Stormscape | Fuck that |
| 23:19.50 | Amarande | I'm glad they're revamping resil, it means something other than a single stat might actually matter in PvP |
| 23:19.53 | Stormscape | half the fun is balancing stats |
| 23:19.54 | kuinkitty | Also fuck PVP |
| 23:20.03 | Stormscape | Agreed |
| 23:20.09 | Amarande | since from BC through Cata, nothing else has mattered. ilvl, other stats, anything. it's all "how much resil do you have?" |
| 23:20.13 | Stormscape | I hate PvP so much I'm leaving my guild and server transferring for Mists |
| 23:20.16 | Stormscape | I'm going to Stormrage |
| 23:20.19 | kuinkitty | Bring the class, not the player |
| 23:20.42 | Stormscape | Too bad symbiosis is so powerful everybody will be forced to bring a minimum of 2 druids for every raid |
| 23:20.53 | Amarande | I'm still wondering what was wrong with vanilla pvp that they had to go to the resil system |
| 23:21.02 | kuinkitty | Rogues |
| 23:21.04 | Stormscape | Amarande, whoever attacked first won |
| 23:21.05 | Stormscape | period |
| 23:21.10 | kuinkitty | And warriors |
| 23:21.13 | Stormscape | It was Nuclear Arms Race PvP |
| 23:21.24 | Amarande | "let's make it all about healing and outlasting and things that would be fun in, say, chess, but not in a fast-paced PvP game" :P |
| 23:21.41 | Stormscape | There was no survivability in Vanilla PvP |
| 23:21.49 | Stormscape | since everybody was in raid gear that had like, 20 stamina on it |
| 23:21.55 | Amarande | Then they did things like replace resistance to CC and root effects with merely being able to reduce their duration (unless you're a beast master hunter) |
| 23:21.58 | kuinkitty | Also what was wrong in Vanilla was, that no matter how fucking shadow specced you are, you are a priest, you'll heal |
| 23:22.15 | Stormscape | kuin any good guild brought 1 shadow priest to debuff the boss for the warlocks |
| 23:22.20 | Amarande | kuinkitty: apparently that was the case for all four classes that were capable of healing |
| 23:22.37 | Stormscape | shamans could tank until UBRS |
| 23:23.10 | kuinkitty | The point was that not all specs were viable enough imo |
| 23:23.18 | Amarande | Consider say paladins ... Tankadin didn't really get seen as viable until BC (when it rose to "godlike" status) |
| 23:23.31 | Amarande | Ret didn't really get any good until Lich King, hence the "retardin" epithet |
| 23:23.39 | Stormscape | No, it was "lolret" |
| 23:23.43 | kuinkitty | That still applies |
| 23:23.55 | kuinkitty | Same goes to hunters and DPS warriors |
| 23:23.56 | Amarande | well |
| 23:23.58 | Stormscape | paladin tanks in TBC were still only good for some fights |
| 23:24.03 | kuinkitty | TUNNEL VISION!!111oneone |
| 23:24.04 | Stormscape | Like, a warrior was still your MT by far |
| 23:24.07 | Amarande | now it's not so much the matter of ret being bad |
| 23:24.14 | Amarande | I haven't heard it to actually be bad for a long time now |
| 23:24.25 | Amarande | it's more the matter of ... you're playing one of the two classes in the game that can do tank, heal, and DPS roles |
| 23:24.33 | Amarande | you could get instant queues and lots more raid slots by choosing tank or heal |
| 23:24.35 | Stormscape | I automatically assume a ret pally is a terrible player until he proves otherwise |
| 23:24.37 | Amarande | WHY ARE YOU CHOOSING THE DPS ROLE? |
| 23:24.57 | kuinkitty | Stormscape ^5 |
| 23:25.00 | Stormscape | Amarande, I play a class with 2 heal trees and yet I only DPS for the past 6 years. |
| 23:25.33 | Amarande | I'm still waiting to see the whole encouraging more tanks and healers thing to backfire royally in MoP as the raid finder gets more important |
| 23:25.48 | kuinkitty | Raid finder, bitch please |
| 23:25.55 | Amarande | and we get casters grousing loudly about CtA because it's left them barely ever getting spell haste buffs |
| 23:25.55 | kuinkitty | Give back unnerfed Sunwell |
| 23:26.08 | Stormscape | kuin so did you hear about the change made to Mind Control |
| 23:26.15 | Stormscape | I can MC anything that's not a mechanical |
| 23:26.21 | Stormscape | even CRITTERS |
| 23:26.25 | kuinkitty | ROFL |
| 23:26.29 | Amarande | due to the fact that all the specs with the spell haste buff are DPS specs on classes that can also heal (who will be increasingly pushed to heal by Blizzard nudging them with rewards for "the less popular roles") |
| 23:26.33 | kuinkitty | Critters, wat |
| 23:26.41 | Stormscape | YUP LOL |
| 23:26.50 | kuinkitty | you srs? |
| 23:26.52 | Stormscape | and mages get a glyph that lets them polymorph unlimited amount of critters |
| 23:26.57 | Stormscape | and the critter polymorphs last 1 day |
| 23:27.00 | Amarande | so, what can you do as a squirrel? :) |
| 23:27.10 | kuinkitty | Gnaw pinecones? |
| 23:27.17 | Stormscape | melee for 1 damage |
| 23:27.35 | kuinkitty | Lol |
| 23:27.48 | Stormscape | Amarande, you forget there's people like me |
| 23:27.53 | Stormscape | I've been a priest for 6 years |
| 23:27.55 | Stormscape | shadow for all 6 years |
| 23:28.05 | Stormscape | I've never even cast a heal in a raid |
| 23:28.12 | Amarande | yeah, shadow priests may be the main exception |
| 23:28.16 | Amarande | I'm trying to remember what the other two were |
| 23:28.37 | Stormscape | Not to mention shadow has literally INFINITE mana in Mists right now |
| 23:28.43 | Stormscape | due to every VT tick restoring 2% of maximum mana |
| 23:28.51 | kuinkitty | WAT |
| 23:28.55 | Stormscape | YUP LOL |
| 23:29.05 | Stormscape | my mana bar might as well be an infinity symbol |
| 23:29.07 | Amarande | ellie shamans (not sure how likely they are to be pushed to resto, nor how often they even exist nowadays, seeing that I'm alliance and we perhaps have fewer of 'em) |
| 23:29.09 | kuinkitty | jesus have mercy on my soul, 2% _maximum_ |
| 23:29.24 | Amarande | and boomkin |
| 23:29.34 | Stormscape | Yeah at 85 it ticks for 2k mana |
| 23:29.34 | Amarande | but really, how many boomkin do we expect to see anymore |
| 23:29.35 | kuinkitty | Amarande, they do exist, and they kick ass |
| 23:29.45 | Amarande | especially since druids can both tank AND heal, and tanks get even more incentives than healers do |
| 23:29.45 | Stormscape | I see lots of elemental shamans and balance druids |
| 23:29.52 | Stormscape | elemental is actually ridiculously OP in DS |
| 23:30.01 | Amarande | (in fact, I think I've sometimes seen more healers bitch about CtA than DPS do ... heh) |
| 23:30.02 | kuinkitty | Every nab is elemental because CL has no CD |
| 23:30.12 | Stormscape | We have an elemental shaman who rapes the meters on Yor'sahj any time there's more than 1 wave of adds |
| 23:30.48 | Amarande | actually, the healers probably have a better reason to complain about CtA than the DPS |
| 23:30.55 | kuinkitty | Can't recall who raped who in my last raid, I slept all the way through 8/8 HC |
| 23:31.21 | Stormscape | my GM gives out gold awards for the top DPS on every DS encounter except for Spine |
| 23:31.26 | Amarande | it was never intended to benefit the DPS, so complaining about it is sour grapes apart from the fact (which might be worth rectifying, although it would be the most colossally major class balance change ever) that four classes can't do anything but the DPS role |
| 23:31.44 | Amarande | it was, on the other hand, seen as a bone thrown for both healers and tanks, and the healer has plenty of extra responsibility in a run too |
| 23:32.01 | Stormscape | I don't even know how to heal |
| 23:32.02 | kuinkitty | Yeah, I have 2 skills to use |
| 23:32.02 | Stormscape | lololol |
| 23:32.39 | kuinkitty | In bc and wotlk I only had 1 ! |
| 23:32.52 | Amarande | but healers are feeling gypped because in actual practise CtA virtually always goes to the tank, not even the healer |
| 23:32.55 | Stormscape | I feel like symbiosis is gonna be stupidly OP for a druid tank to give to the other tank in raids |
| 23:33.20 | Stormscape | give to DK? get bone shield. Consecration from pallies. spell reflect from warriors. |
| 23:33.24 | Amarande | heh, my LK raid guild will be happy with that |
| 23:33.33 | Amarande | they've always run really druid-heavy, and will probably feel like Blizzard loves druids more again |
| 23:33.33 | Stormscape | elusive brew from monks |
| 23:33.46 | Stormscape | It'll be worthless to give to anybody not a tank though |
| 23:33.50 | kuinkitty | Druids need a serious anal rape |
| 23:34.00 | kuinkitty | Tho, they were THE shit in vanilla |
| 23:34.02 | Amarande | I remember when 4.0 came out and almost half the raid (yeah we really did often have as many as four druids a week in ICC) grumbled because of battle rez being put on shared CD |
| 23:34.27 | Amarande | and not only that, but shared with soulstone activations too |
| 23:34.50 | Stormscape | It was a needed change, you shouldn't half-wipe and be able to rez all 15 dead people |
| 23:34.55 | Stormscape | and keep going |
| 23:34.59 | kuinkitty | ^ |
| 23:35.09 | Amarande | what, you don't think raids should be able to come back from the brink? |
| 23:35.18 | Amarande | only either do swimmingly from start to finish or fail colossally? |
| 23:35.19 | kuinkitty | There's a better way to handle that problem |
| 23:35.27 | kuinkitty | Don't fuck up - no need to Rebirth |
| 23:35.32 | Stormscape | If half your raid is dead you've already wiped |
| 23:35.33 | Amarande | in most games, it's not over till it's over |
| 23:36.09 | kuinkitty | It's over when a fat bear sings |
| 23:36.10 | Amarande | in WoW, there seems to be a strong favorance for the idea that you shouldn't be able to mess up and come back from the brink, you should either do Olympic grade execution or not qualify at all |
| 23:36.12 | Stormscape | Amarande, look at DS, there's mechanics designed to instantly wipe you if too many people die. |
| 23:36.50 | Amarande | yeah, there were some fights like that in LOTRO too |
| 23:37.02 | Stormscape | Stomp. the fucking ping pong ball. Ultraxion. onslaught on Warmaster. |
| 23:37.36 | kuinkitty | I like that pingpong ball. I'm the champion |
| 23:37.48 | Stormscape | Also I'm wondering how they'll nerf Lei Shi for Raid Finder, as even on normal she'd anal a raid finder group with no lube. |
| 23:37.52 | Amarande | in some cases in LOTRO, the boss would actually keep a counter of how many deaths (deaths, not currently-dead raid members - so watch your battle rezzes, even though LOTRO is a lot more liberal with them than present day WoW is!) it's inflicted during the fight, and would literally instakill the whole rest of the raid if the counter reached a given limit |
| 23:38.08 | kuinkitty | On the other hand, that mount you get from Glory of the Nerfraider, I mean Dragon Soul... Is one fucking ugly mount |
| 23:38.12 | Amarande | Stormscape: maybe eventually they'll just have to take the training wheels off of raid finder |
| 23:38.23 | Amarande | and eventually have it just give you a random normal raid, much as you get random normal and heroic 5-mans |
| 23:38.31 | Stormscape | Hopefully, but she seems like the DPS race to end all DPS races |
| 23:38.42 | Amarande | Stormscape: worse than Brutallus? |
| 23:38.44 | kuinkitty | Lol |
| 23:38.55 | Stormscape | Her cast speed increases by 1% for every 1% HP she's missing |
| 23:39.05 | Amarande | Don't forget that Brutallus wasn't just a brutally tough DPS race |
| 23:39.24 | kuinkitty | brutallus was a brutal anal fister tbh |
| 23:39.29 | Stormscape | oh and she'll do a vanish phase and to bring her out of vanish you have to hit her with enough AOEs |
| 23:39.44 | kuinkitty | And oh yeah he could fist a fistful of raiders |
| 23:39.54 | Stormscape | as is the boss sounds like a complete and total clusterfuck |
| 23:40.04 | Amarande | It was a brutally tough DPS race to the point where you practically had to have BiS everything available up through and including Kalecgos or you just didn't even have the POTENTIAL to beat the timer |
| 23:40.18 | kuinkitty | Stormscape, you know there's a porn movie called "Clusterfuck"? |
| 23:40.22 | Stormscape | I think her abilities give the hint on how to beat her though |
| 23:40.26 | Stormscape | Look at this one |
| 23:40.26 | Amarande | kuinkitty: just one? |
| 23:40.28 | Stormscape | Scary Fog — Sha energy coalesces around several players, inflicting 5000 Shadow damage every 2 sec for 40 sec. In addition, players and enemies near an afflicted player take 5% more damage from all sources. This effect stacks. |
| 23:40.39 | Stormscape | players AND enemies |
| 23:40.41 | Stormscape | and it stacks |
| 23:40.54 | kuinkitty | Amarande, well, Clusterfuck 1 2 3 etc, you know my point |
| 23:41.03 | Amarande | heh, 5000 damage? |
| 23:41.06 | kuinkitty | If it exists, there's porn of it |
| 23:41.06 | Stormscape | it pretty much sounds like once she reaches 20% HP you got like 40 seconds to kill her |
| 23:41.10 | Amarande | that's probably a regular hit from a normal questing mob in MoP |
| 23:41.17 | Stormscape | Amarande, not that part |
| 23:41.23 | Stormscape | the 5% more damage stacking effect part |
| 23:41.32 | Stormscape | give her a massive damage taken debuff |
| 23:41.40 | Amarande | how much HP do we have at 90 in raid gear, anyway? |
| 23:41.45 | Stormscape | probably 300-400k |
| 23:41.48 | Amarande | and yeah, don't forget that |
| 23:42.04 | Stormscape | the thing that makes her insanely hard is she doesn't melee the tank |
| 23:42.06 | Amarande | we're starting to get character HP levels in a tier that used to belong to raid bosses only back in the day |
| 23:42.07 | Stormscape | she casts spells at him |
| 23:42.14 | Stormscape | and if you're within 3 yards of the tank = instagib |
| 23:42.18 | Amarande | of course the enemies have to be super powerful, because WE SHALL BE AS GODS |
| 23:42.27 | kuinkitty | Amarande, some bosses had even less |
| 23:42.35 | Stormscape | We're already raid bosses |
| 23:42.39 | Stormscape | Look at Drakk's HP |
| 23:42.40 | Amarande | at this rate, by 6.x or 7.x, they're going to have no real choice left but to put us against Sargeras himself |
| 23:42.50 | Stormscape | 91.5k HP |
| 23:42.56 | Amarande | there just won't be any other Warcraft lore beings strong enough to actually have a chance against ten raid geared players :P |
| 23:42.56 | Stormscape | I have more HP than Drakk. |
| 23:43.28 | Stormscape | >10 mans |
| 23:43.29 | Stormscape | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:43.52 | Amarande | I wonder how long they're going to be able to keep this power ramp up going before they run out of things to put us up against :) |
| 23:44.03 | Stormscape | for a long ass time |
| 23:44.11 | Amarande | I have sometimes joked that, when they finally run out of challenges to give us, when they finally can't figure out any more |
| 23:44.24 | kuinkitty | They run out of ideas years ago |
| 23:44.38 | Amarande | they'll put at the end of their last raid one final aspect of the silly that WoW can sometimes have, as a means of making sure no one can ever say they've finished all the content and there's nothing left |
| 23:44.40 | kuinkitty | I mean like, Pandas, please, what is this shit |
| 23:44.47 | Amarande | it will come in the form of a ... giant roll of toilet paper. |
| 23:44.56 | Amarande | which, of course, will be impossible to defeat. :) |
| 23:44.58 | Stormscape | So, Inner Sanctum is an awesome talent and I hate myself for not having it a long time ago |
| 23:46.13 | Amarande | (I don't think it needs saying that the joke is that it's a roll of toilet paper because it always, guaranteed, wipes you. :D) |
| 23:46.44 | Stormscape | http://www.skytopia.com/project/illusion/didgrow.html WHOA |
| 23:46.45 | Stormscape | WHOA |
| 23:46.48 | Stormscape | that is awesome |
| 23:47.00 | JunkHead | I've found in life, that no matter the brand of toilet paper, you throw enough shit at it... shit wins. |
| 23:47.31 | kuinkitty | That hurt my eyes |
| 23:50.20 | JunkHead | sigh |
| 23:50.30 | JunkHead | goddamn elite packs in act 2 are causing me fits |
| 23:52.01 | kuinkitty | I just got in Act 3 today, that's one fucking big massacre at the start |
| 23:54.20 | Amarande | every Diablo had its horrifically hard moments |
| 23:54.35 | Amarande | is it worse than gloams/dolls in Worldstone or Throne in D2 Hell? |
| 23:55.09 | Amarande | to compare, in D2 on Hell, if you got the worst possible roll in the Throne of Destruction, what you got was Gloams, Greater Mummies, and Undead Fetishes as the three types of regular mob there |
| 23:55.36 | Amarande | Gloams have lightning bolts that are the stuff of your worst nightmares unless you've maxed out your lightning resist, and preferably have it maxed out with gear that increases the maximum |
| 23:56.06 | Amarande | Undead Fetishes explode on death for some nasty damage (they're also on the way to Mephisto, and many a Sorceress Meph run is cut short by dying to an exploding doll) |
| 23:56.27 | Amarande | And as for the Greater Mummies, I would rate them worse than Oblivion Knights in that instance because OKs don't do Iron Maiden anymore and Greater Mummies are "Undead Raises Undead" |
| 23:57.04 | Amarande | For additional happy, have one boss pack of mobs somewhere on the level with Cursed and the Holy Fire aura, and another with the Fanaticism aura. :) |
| 23:57.09 | Stormscape | So I came to the sad realisation I've already bought all the JP gear for my mage |
| 23:58.01 | Stormscape | Because the 378 JP gear is extraordinarily limited in scope |
| 23:58.22 | Amarande | for those who haven't played D2, only D3: |
| 23:58.43 | Amarande | Holy Fire is an aura that deals fire damage in pulses regularly, deals very little damage but has absolutely enormous radius |
| 23:58.43 | Stormscape | I played part of Act 1 for D3 |
| 23:58.45 | Stormscape | didn't like the game |
| 23:58.50 | Stormscape | regretted buying it |
| 23:59.09 | Amarande | Fanaticism is an aura that gives huge boosts to attack and damage for friendlies in its radius, which is also generally rather big at high levels such as from Hell bosses |
| 23:59.47 | Amarande | and Cursed is a boss mod that causes ANY damage from the boss - I mean ANY, even purely non physical damage - to have a 50% chance to proc the Amplify Damage curse at a level related to the boss's level, checked for all affected targets each time |
| 23:59.52 | Amarande | And by 50% I mean more like 98%. |