| 00:01.09 | Stormscape | Yeah but then everybody would have been a Space Marine |
| 00:01.19 | Stormscape | and it would have been an FPS |
| 00:01.34 | Amarande | heh, there were a surprisingly large number of people who chose non-Force user classes in TOR, so the stereotype is likely not quite correct |
| 00:01.56 | Amarande | besides, being that we're talking an MMO I think it'd have had to be balanced so you need more than just Space Marines. :) |
| 00:02.09 | Stormscape | Well what the fuck could have countered space marines |
| 00:02.12 | Stormscape | besides other space marines |
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| 00:02.33 | Stormscape | the rest of the Imperial Navy is basically cannon fodder |
| 00:04.00 | Amarande | Failure to balance classes tends to lead to crappitude in MMOs, so Space Marines would probably be a lot less powerful than they are usually seen as or the other classes a lot more so |
| 00:04.09 | Amarande | Otherwise, you end up like PvE Tombs in GW1. |
| 00:04.19 | Amarande | Where everyone insisted on B/P teams and thus most of the classes never got to go. :P |
| 00:04.26 | Amarande | At least, till they nerfed B/P. |
| 00:04.53 | Stormscape | Warhammer 40k is better suited for an FPS or space sim |
| 00:04.55 | Stormscape | than MMO |
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| 00:10.19 | Amarande | You could perhaps argue that about most sci-fi/space settings :S Yet you see major successes like KOTOR, KOTOR 2, and SW:TOR |
| 00:11.30 | Ward | I don't know what you're talking about since I just wandered in, but SWTOR is hardly a success |
| 00:11.33 | Ward | neither was KOTOR 2 |
| 00:11.49 | Ward | even KOTOR 1, allthough critically acclaimed, was never really successful |
| 00:12.21 | Amarande | well, it just proves that a sci-fi based RPG can be win and awesome, despite the general association of sci-fi with FPS and spacesims |
| 00:12.33 | Amarande | hell. you could probably even consider WoW to be sci-fi to a very significant degree |
| 00:13.00 | Ward | KOTOR 1 was the blue print for far bigger games like Mass Effect, Jade Empire and Dragon Age |
| 00:13.18 | Stormscape | KOTOR wasn't successful in its own right, but it showed other games how to be good |
| 00:13.20 | Ward | WoW is more fantasy than scifi |
| 00:13.36 | Stormscape | SciFi has at least SOME basis in reality |
| 00:13.44 | Stormscape | there's no real technology in the Warcraft Universe |
| 00:13.52 | Stormscape | besides what the Gnomes and Goblins make |
| 00:13.56 | Ward | it's all magic and steampunk |
| 00:14.01 | Ward | not science |
| 00:14.14 | Stormscape | and Gnomes are basically flat earth atheists |
| 00:14.25 | Amarande | Ward: I'll tell you a different way to spell "The Force" ... heh |
| 00:14.29 | Amarande | (hint: M-A-G-I-C) |
| 00:14.43 | Ward | Star Wars isn't pure scifi either |
| 00:14.44 | Stormscape | Jedi and Sith were basically Space Wizards, yes |
| 00:14.49 | Ward | it's space fantasy |
| 00:14.54 | Stormscape | Star Wars is basically High Fantasy in... what Ward said |
| 00:15.14 | Ward | the only true scifi MMORPG that's been succesful |
| 00:15.17 | Ward | is Eve Online |
| 00:15.28 | Ward | and in lesser degree Star Trek Online |
| 00:15.30 | Stormscape | Eve Online is a Spreadsheet Simulator |
| 00:15.40 | Ward | allthough STO is just the usual formula with a trek skin |
| 00:15.59 | Ward | cryptic hasn't made a new game in 10 years |
| 00:16.08 | Ward | they just sell the same game over and over in a different setting |
| 00:16.13 | Amarande | Ward: heh. |
| 00:16.29 | Amarande | that's probably gaming itself in a nutshell |
| 00:16.44 | Amarande | but in an RPG, the setting makes the game |
| 00:17.04 | Amarande | consider, say, KOTOR or BG2 |
| 00:17.16 | Amarande | D20 and AD&D are actually fairly poor systems to try to translate faithfully to a computer setting |
| 00:17.28 | Ward | well there's 3 key elements to an RPG if you ask me, Atmosphere and Story, Gameplay and Progression Structure |
| 00:17.35 | Ward | Cryptic just changes 1 variable |
| 00:17.38 | Amarande | yet, despite that handicap in gameplay, the settings are so well done that you learn to love the game despite the foibles of the game system (GAH NOT ANOTHER ENEMY MAGE) |
| 00:18.00 | Amarande | consider, on the other hand, say, Grandia III |
| 00:18.09 | Ward | Bioware would have been better off making a KOTOR 3 with the ME3 engine |
| 00:18.22 | Amarande | The combat system is great. It's one of the better turn based combat systems I've seen. Yet, the setting and characters were so meh that I traded it in before even finishing the first disc |
| 00:18.30 | Ward | instead of trying to fit their brilliant story driven RPG into an action MMO |
| 00:20.40 | Stormscape | You know what combat system I loved? DA2. |
| 00:21.00 | Amarande | occasionally, of course you get to see a game where both the story and gameplay are win and awesome, like DA:O |
| 00:21.11 | Stormscape | and the combat is tripe on a bike |
| 00:21.31 | Stormscape | DA:O's horrible horrible combat is why I could never play it for more than 10 minutes |
| 00:23.12 | Djones__ | DA" combat was fantastic |
| 00:23.14 | Djones__ | 2 |
| 00:23.41 | Djones__ | Amarande, grandia 3 was the shits. |
| 00:24.58 | Ward | the only games I'm playing atm are Fifa and Anno |
| 00:25.07 | Ward | I might pick up GW2 |
| 00:25.48 | Ward | I'm installing the beta now |
| 00:25.50 | Ward | gonna check it out |
| 00:26.03 | Djones__ | Ward, it's good times :) |
| 00:27.10 | Stormscape | Djones, DA2's combat was so much fun I beat the game 3 times |
| 00:27.15 | Djones__ | Nod. |
| 00:27.17 | Stormscape | warrior on easy, warrior on normal, mage on normal |
| 00:27.21 | Djones__ | Heh |
| 00:27.28 | Stormscape | mage was ridiculous by level 13 |
| 00:27.36 | Djones__ | Yes. |
| 00:27.38 | Stormscape | stand in the back, let the soulless ginger tank everything |
| 00:27.40 | Stormscape | infinity DPS |
| 00:27.51 | Djones__ | I completed hardcore hardest difficulty solo challenge on the mage |
| 00:28.06 | Stormscape | Only problem with the mage is I found I could only have 1 group setup |
| 00:28.11 | Stormscape | Varric, Ginger, Anders |
| 00:28.23 | Stormscape | I totally forgot her name |
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| 00:29.00 | Djones__ | You could run with pretty much anything |
| 00:29.14 | Djones__ | Anders was broken though |
| 00:29.29 | Djane | Hey let me just heal your entire EVERYBODY CONSTANTLY at no cost. |
| 00:34.11 | Stormscape | Anders was so OP |
| 00:34.17 | Stormscape | So was Varric |
| 00:34.41 | Stormscape | He was such a little moody bitch though |
| 00:34.52 | blademeld | Djones__: so Anders is basically a tBC paladin? |
| 00:35.14 | Stormscape | blade: even more powerful |
| 00:35.18 | Stormscape | He's a Cataclysm Shaman |
| 00:35.23 | blademeld | so a WotLK paladin? |
| 00:35.26 | blademeld | oh |
| 00:35.37 | Stormscape | spams aoe heals, never uses any mana |
| 00:35.40 | blademeld | I haven't seen resto shamans much in Cata |
| 00:35.44 | Amarande | The one trouble with the characters in DA, especially DA:O, was there was not a good balance between classes |
| 00:36.03 | Amarande | There were only two joinable rogues, two mages, two unique characters, and *everyone* else was a warrior. |
| 00:36.07 | Stormscape | Yeah like there was no reason to ever use the fury warrior companion in DA2 |
| 00:36.25 | Stormscape | because literally anybody else was a better choice |
| 00:36.27 | Stormscape | esp ranged |
| 00:36.29 | Amarande | When you only are allowed a party of four, you really don't *need* more than one or two warriors (really not more than one if you have Shale) |
| 00:36.51 | Stormscape | ranged DPS seemed like a much better choice in DA2 |
| 00:36.53 | Stormscape | every time |
| 00:36.57 | Stormscape | esp if you yourself were melee |
| 00:37.47 | Amarande | It was not too different in DA:O |
| 00:38.03 | Amarande | also, it was always best practise to control the mage, whether or not it was your main character |
| 00:40.36 | Djane | The hilarious thing |
| 00:40.41 | Djane | The most fun was playing the warrior |
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| 00:45.12 | Stormscape | Djane I loved just spamming ridiculous AOE abilities |
| 00:45.30 | Djane | Yup |
| 00:45.36 | Djane | But if you wanted to go for MAXIMUM FUN |
| 00:45.43 | Djane | You played the warrior who bitchslapped EVERYONE |
| 00:45.55 | Djane | Letting the mages go PEWPEWPEW whilst you stopped their mages ever doing ANYTHING EVER |
| 00:46.23 | Amarande | Unless you were fighting a boss, in which case you sorely needed the extra control that comes from playing the mage |
| 00:46.32 | Djane | Not really |
| 00:46.42 | Djane | Mages had 30% of control compared to a warrior |
| 00:46.49 | Djane | Warriors had stuns, interupts, knock ups and backs |
| 00:46.59 | Djane | Mages had....if you went for crowd control on a mage you were doing it wrong |
| 00:47.11 | Djane | Even on the Solo mage challenges. |
| 00:48.09 | Amarande | Consider, say, the Dead Trenches boss. It was definitely best policy to let the warriors hack at the boss while you controlled the mage to hand out healing as needed and, also, the mage was one of the two party members (counting Leliana, who I'm presuming most people used) who needed to be moved around regularly to keep from getting whacked by the adds (which actually apparently put out more |
| 00:48.09 | Amarande | DPS than the boss if you let them) |
| 00:48.56 | Djane | Okay, there's a difference between "most fun character to play" and "why aren't you always controlling all 4 simultaniously anyways"? |
| 00:49.21 | Djane | Make 3 of them do what they need to do, switch to the warrior for 5-10 seconds, and switch, and switch and switch. |
| 00:49.38 | Djane | shrugs a little. Short of the hardest difficulty you could pretty much tank and spank everything in both of the games |
| 00:50.54 | Stormscape | I found Arishok to be really hard as a mage, actually |
| 00:51.03 | Djane | The hardest enemies in the entire game are wolves, anyways. |
| 00:51.29 | Djane | Hardest part of the solo challenge is getitng stunlocked by packs of level 3 wolves when you're level 20 but they give no shits and kill you anyways |
| 00:55.53 | Amarande | Djane, are you counting bosses? |
| 00:56.14 | Djane | Yes |
| 00:56.34 | Djane | has completed all of DA, 1 and 2 in an Ironman solo challenge. |
| 00:56.41 | Djane | On the hardest difficulty. |
| 00:57.15 | Djane | The bosses weren't really that hard. |
| 00:57.32 | Djane | You just had to not be a glass cannon who died in two hits. |
| 00:58.04 | Djane | Although bear in mind then we get into a disccusion about Optimisation verses fun. |
| 00:58.13 | Stormscape | How the fuck did you solo Meredith? |
| 00:59.17 | Djane | Time, patience, never getting hit |
| 00:59.20 | Djane | playing a mage. |
| 00:59.43 | Djane | I forget the details now, been a long time since I played |
| 01:00.00 | Djane | But there's a bloodmage/something else build that basically makes you take virtually no damage and you heal up from damage you do. |
| 01:04.09 | Djane | Kingdoms of Amulur has a massive DA feel to it for me. |
| 01:08.02 | Djane | Strong storyline driving dominant protagonist. Similar art direction along with relatively compatable fight mechanics. |
| 01:08.27 | Djane | It lacks the companion aspect but is much less linaer |
| 01:08.29 | Djane | linear* |
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| 01:39.21 | Morril | Just got issued an IP Ban for a company I used to work for. |
| 01:39.44 | g0urra | what |
| 01:39.49 | Sephiroth | o.o; |
| 01:42.39 | Jolt | rawr |
| 01:43.54 | Morril | g0urra: I used to work for a sizable online community in their moderator department. Left the team but still posted every so often. Then I got a perm ban for having Sex in a thread title so I pulled a heavy and mentioned in my ticket my history with the company |
| 01:44.05 | Morril | be it that I'm a good standing member not how dare you ban me for being a ex staffer |
| 01:44.28 | Morril | and then I just got about 7 emails for the other accounts being all banned afterwords for a copyright ban. |
| 01:45.16 | Morril | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:03.34 | blademeld | Morril: that just means you're better than them |
| 02:04.21 | Morril | blademeld: the fun part will be to see if they also got my work's IP banned as well. |
| 02:04.57 | Morril | If they blanketed all the IP's on my login's then they could, in theory, cut off 2000 persepective viewers. |
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| 05:03.14 | Kanegasi | aaand there's 30% on the dragon soul debuff |
| 05:03.27 | Kanegasi | if you didnt see that news earlier today |
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| 13:06.49 | dardy | how long do you have to off line for before you can accept a scroll of ressurection ??? |
| 13:07.58 | dardy | anybody ?? |
| 13:08.35 | Jammer | pretty sure that's mentioned in the FAQs ? |
| 13:08.55 | dardy | do you how long then ?? |
| 13:09.06 | Jammer | To be eligible to receive a Scroll of Resurrection, your friend must have a full (non-Starter Edition) World of Warcraft account, and their account must have become inactive on or before 4th March 2012. |
| 13:09.53 | dardy | it doesnt say how long though |
| 13:10.00 | Jammer | there is no time |
| 13:10.21 | dardy | okay thanks for the help |
| 13:10.23 | Jammer | account has to be inactive before 4th of March |
| 13:11.20 | dardy | so i would have to wait until the 4th of march to accept one |
| 13:12.13 | dardy | ???? |
| 13:12.18 | Jammer | err |
| 13:12.35 | Jammer | if your account hasn't been inactive since 4th March 2012 then you can't get one |
| 13:12.46 | Jammer | maybe they'll change the date some point but dunno |
| 13:13.15 | dardy | okay |
| 13:14.11 | dardy | thats so gay how you have to wait a while before you can accept one |
| 13:15.57 | dardy | 4 mouths you have to wait |
| 13:17.05 | Jammer | >< |
| 13:17.15 | Jammer | don't think he quite got it still |
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| 14:35.39 | kullervo | Jammer: it has to have been inactive for 90 days |
| 14:35.47 | kullervo | that's 3 months |
| 14:35.55 | kullervo | unless that has been changed |
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| 15:06.09 | Jammer | kullervo: I assume the date was 3 months when they updated it |
| 15:06.38 | Jammer | pretty clearly says it has to be before that date on the webpage but dunno |
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| 18:21.48 | fewyn | http://shirt.woot.com/derby/entry/64429/bringing-harmony-to-the-elements |
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| 18:34.53 | fewyn | crafting 1000 mysterious fortune cards |
| 18:44.39 | Corgan | licks alayton |
| 18:44.46 | alayton | >.> |
| 18:45.14 | alayton | dick butt to you too |
| 18:45.15 | alayton | i think |
| 18:45.25 | Corgan | dickbutt |
| 18:45.40 | Corgan | $15 for the 4 pack |
| 18:45.42 | Corgan | too good to pass up |
| 18:45.43 | Corgan | lol |
| 18:46.06 | alayton | lol, 4 for less than the price it normally costs |
| 18:46.13 | alayton | you so crazy steam |
| 18:47.03 | Corgan | C&C pack |
| 18:47.08 | Corgan | http://store.steampowered.com/sub/15358/ |
| 18:47.24 | Corgan | pretty meh tbh |
| 18:47.29 | Corgan | not the best games |
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| 19:07.01 | Alram | if they would add the first decade to that Corgan |
| 19:07.02 | Alram | insta buy |
| 19:07.17 | Corgan | if it was the entire C&C collection |
| 19:07.25 | Alram | then it would be yes |
| 19:07.29 | Corgan | gold 95, red alert, red alert 2 |
| 19:07.32 | Corgan | I would buy it in a heartbeat |
| 19:08.08 | Primar | I still have my copy of Red Alert + Counterstrike in it's stupid massive cardboard box, somewhere |
| 19:08.23 | Primar | and the other one |
| 19:08.26 | Primar | whatever it was |
| 19:08.31 | Corgan | :D |
| 19:09.17 | Primar | aftermath apparently |
| 19:09.38 | Primar | let's see if I can find a pic of how ridiculous the box was |
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| 19:12.20 | Primar | nah |
| 19:12.26 | Primar | well, it was about this size anyway |
| 19:12.26 | Primar | http://i.imgur.com/xQROR.jpg |
| 19:12.49 | Primar | I miss those days of pointlessly large boxes, massive manuals and ridculous fmvs |
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| 20:12.03 | fewyn | http://www.fewyn.net/img/Screenshot-2012-07-13_16.11.58.png |
| 20:12.10 | fewyn | do i have enough fortune cards? |
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| 20:33.18 | Amarande | heh, you know what always seemed odd to me about those fortune cards |
| 20:34.50 | Amarande | at some point, I read something about how "chat casinos" were banned by Blizzard |
| 20:34.56 | Amarande | ... and now, they let scribes sell scratch lottos. :) |
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| 20:35.21 | fewyn | i make about 1000 fortune cards a week |
| 20:35.30 | fewyn | all those are from the last couple months |
| 20:35.44 | fewyn | 33k in cards right there |
| 20:39.44 | fewyn | the cards are really just a byproduct of my shuffling efforts |
| 20:39.49 | fewyn | so they are a nice bonus |
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| 20:58.12 | fewyn | http://kotaku.com/5925812/the-comic+con-cosplay-that-almost-made-me-cry |
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| 21:24.50 | Amarande | there is, apparently, a danger to questing too long in Thousand Needles :| |
| 21:26.24 | kullervo | that is.. |
| 21:27.40 | Lugburz | ? |
| 21:29.42 | Amarande | you forget that you don't have infinite underwater breathing elsewhere :P |
| 21:29.49 | Lugburz | haha |
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| 21:48.20 | blademeld | kill the Lugburz |
| 21:48.26 | blademeld | kill it with fire |
| 21:48.40 | Lugburz | fuck you |
| 21:49.02 | blademeld | yeah, well, hello to you too |
| 21:50.40 | blademeld | http://www.amazingsuperpowers.com/2012/07/happy-ending/ |
| 21:57.19 | Stormscape | http://imgur.com/wVmlL |
| 21:57.39 | blademeld | Stormscape: good news |
| 21:57.42 | blademeld | I'm going to Korea |
| 21:57.46 | blademeld | for a month |
| 21:57.53 | Stormscape | Buy a ridiculous shirt like that one |
| 21:58.01 | blademeld | too expensive |
| 21:58.06 | blademeld | 5 bucks for a shirt? |
| 22:01.11 | Lugburz | blademeld: holy fuck |
| 22:01.13 | Lugburz | dude |
| 22:01.15 | Lugburz | go watch the OSL |
| 22:01.28 | Lugburz | last pro brood war ever T_T |
| 22:01.38 | blademeld | Ontario Soccer League? |
| 22:01.50 | Lugburz | ............ |
| 22:01.56 | Lugburz | ongamenet starleague |
| 22:02.01 | Lugburz | you know starcraft |
| 22:02.04 | Lugburz | taht thing they do in kroea |
| 22:02.07 | Lugburz | korea' |
| 22:02.11 | Lugburz | its at the COEX mall |
| 22:02.14 | fewyn | butts |
| 22:02.16 | fewyn | craft |
| 22:02.21 | Lugburz | or are you going to busan or something |
| 22:02.56 | blademeld | Lugburz: I'm going for a month, I have enough time to visit the entire country lol |
| 22:03.06 | Lugburz | blademeld: ok |
| 22:03.17 | Lugburz | well where are you going to sppend most your time? |
| 22:03.25 | blademeld | Seoul |
| 22:03.37 | Lugburz | ok yeah |
| 22:03.40 | Lugburz | should watch the OSL |
| 22:03.53 | blademeld | I'll go to COEX for sure |
| 22:04.04 | blademeld | my prio will be the mountains and oceans, and Yongsan |
| 22:05.05 | Lugburz | sweet |
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| 22:42.06 | fewyn | http://shirt.woot.com/derby/entry/64470/in-joss-we-trust |
| 22:44.05 | JunkHead | GW2 is taking forever to patch up. |
| 22:44.22 | JunkHead | FO-EBBA! |
| 22:45.21 | fewyn | ac:revelations is going on sale for 13 bucks in about 15 minutes for anyone interested in it (steam summer sale) |
| 22:45.28 | Lugburz | thankd |
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| 22:45.51 | Lugburz | I love how right when I am starting to really try to cut back on needless expenditures steam summer sale comes on |
| 22:45.59 | JunkHead | Has anyone here tried Blacklight: Retribution? |
| 22:46.24 | fewyn | i know how you feel Lugburz |
| 22:46.35 | Lugburz | eh |
| 22:46.35 | fewyn | i'm really trying to limit my purchases but ac:r i've wanted |
| 22:46.42 | Lugburz | I can play more TF2 |
| 22:46.46 | Lugburz | ah gotcha |
| 22:46.54 | fewyn | will be the only thing i've gotten so far |
| 22:47.01 | Lugburz | yeah most the games Ive wanted to play Ive bought by now or pirated and tried out |
| 22:47.01 | JunkHead | Yeah, steam summer sale comes right after I plop down cash for a plane ticket.:( |
| 22:47.03 | fewyn | only other thing i /might/ pick up if it goes on sale |
| 22:47.04 | fewyn | is arma |
| 22:47.08 | Lugburz | oh yeah |
| 22:47.13 | Lugburz | dayz is fun I guess |
| 22:47.14 | fewyn | so i can check out this dayz thingier alayton is so into |
| 22:47.23 | Lugburz | SO MANY PEOPLE are into Dayz |
| 22:47.25 | fewyn | www.dayzdb.com |
| 22:47.30 | alayton | obligatory plug |
| 22:47.38 | Lugburz | lol |
| 22:47.38 | fewyn | obviously |
| 22:47.46 | Lugburz | of fuckign course alayton has dayzdb |
| 22:47.55 | fewyn | since we haven't promoted it yet on the network |
| 22:48.09 | alayton | whats that supposed to mean? ;p |
| 22:48.18 | fewyn | some people in here might not know about it yet! |
| 22:48.19 | Lugburz | I think the lolking addition was interesting |
| 22:49.06 | TecnoBrat | WTF is DAYZ? |
| 22:49.12 | alayton | zombie survival rpg |
| 22:49.14 | fewyn | zombie survial shooter thingie |
| 22:50.09 | TecnoBrat | is it a zombie survival game? |
| 22:50.25 | fewyn | http://dayzmod.com/ |
| 22:50.29 | TecnoBrat | lol |
| 22:50.38 | TecnoBrat | fewyn: I'm pulling your chain now. |
| 22:50.47 | fewyn | OKAY |
| 22:50.56 | fewyn | I AM BAD AT READING INTERNET SARCASM |
| 22:50.57 | TecnoBrat | I'm waiting for GB UPON GB OF DATA to index :( |
| 22:51.00 | TecnoBrat | so I'm bored |
| 22:51.08 | TecnoBrat | 110 million rows in a DB |
| 22:51.14 | TecnoBrat | its a lot of rows |
| 22:51.14 | fewyn | i'm answering silly questions about motorcycles |
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| 23:14.04 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] Mists of Pandaria - Build 15851 - Spell Changes and More - http://www.wowhead.com/news=204726/mists-of-pandaria-build-15851-spell-changes-and-more |
| 23:15.20 | Lugburz | that sounds great |
| 23:19.43 | Stormscape | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/35402764/Icemourne.png |
| 23:19.45 | Stormscape | mfw Icemourne |
| 23:20.04 | Stormscape | This is what triggered that |
| 23:20.05 | Stormscape | [2. Trade] [Strikeonyou]: LF people for heroic icc. lich king only. GET AN ICEMOURNE |
| 23:23.47 | Eraclito | awesome |
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