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| 00:19.34 | Iano | lookin to get in on the scroll of resurrection promo for my old account, anyone willing to send me one (PM please)? thanks! |
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| 01:24.50 | Amarande | ROFL this quest is a joke as a frost mage |
| 01:26.51 | Amarande | I'm surprised it hasn't been nerfed |
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| 04:47.27 | Jammer | do you still have to level to get level 90 on beta? |
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| 06:46.53 | dogel | ~200*52 |
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| 07:17.36 | raspy | weeee finally got a normal dw kill |
| 07:25.53 | Jammer | lol :) |
| 07:26.20 | Jammer | guess you haven't been raiding much |
| 07:28.57 | raspy | naw no one would take me to be honest |
| 07:29.16 | raspy | at now i got a chance at getting in the guilds heroic farming runs |
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| 07:39.45 | raspy | was funny i got gripped 7 times during the fight |
| 07:40.21 | Jammer | lol |
| 07:40.39 | Jammer | just people messing with you or you failing to stay with the group? |
| 07:40.39 | raspy | guess it didnt want me to attack on it |
| 07:41.01 | raspy | naw on spine i got gripped 7 times |
| 07:41.05 | Jammer | oh spine |
| 07:41.16 | Jammer | thought you meant leap of faith :) |
| 07:41.38 | raspy | no wipes at all though |
| 07:41.51 | Jammer | did anyone else get gripped at all? :p |
| 07:42.20 | raspy | one other guy got gripped 2 times that was it |
| 07:46.00 | Lugburz | grips men |
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| 08:36.50 | jane | lolol people raging at my shield transmog <3 |
| 08:37.46 | Stormscape | what's the transmog |
| 08:38.01 | jane | heroic tanking shield on a resto shaman |
| 08:38.03 | jane | lol |
| 08:38.35 | Stormscape | trololo |
| 08:42.27 | jane | hey it matches my maw and my crown of flame |
| 08:42.28 | jane | <3 |
| 08:42.30 | jane | almost. |
| 08:42.43 | jane | tempted to collect t12 or whatever tier it was that was flaming |
| 08:45.01 | Stormscape | For ultimate trollery: Illidan's shield |
| 08:46.47 | jane | that's not ultimate trollery |
| 08:47.06 | jane | i mean it would be if it werent for the fact that this is like current gear |
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| 09:33.42 | NuSuey | lol fail optimalization :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U74hW4_YwWc |
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| 14:16.47 | Hearthvader | hello everybody |
| 14:16.59 | Hearthvader | can`t believe irc chat is still used :| |
| 14:17.03 | Hearthvader | i`m amazed |
| 14:18.03 | hylje | people also use email, weird huh |
| 14:20.35 | Hearthvader | funny hylje :| |
| 14:20.58 | hylje | it's even older than irc |
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| 15:03.11 | Elysa | I'm older than IRC |
| 15:03.14 | Elysa | nobody uses me though :( |
| 15:04.02 | hylje | poor you |
| 15:04.20 | hylje | i hope you'll find a good owner before you rust away |
| 15:05.09 | Elysa | I hope so |
| 15:05.20 | Elysa | My hair's already going grey |
| 15:05.34 | hylje | ;; |
| 15:15.36 | blademeld | what Elysa doesn't know is that hylje uses Elysa's grey hair to make newt potions |
| 15:16.56 | hylje | a witch turned me into a newt |
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| 15:47.04 | Elysa | hylje steals my grey hair while I sleep :O |
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| 17:32.03 | Ward | I´m leveling mining like a boss |
| 17:32.05 | Ward | through smelting |
| 17:32.23 | Ward | got to 350 without leaving stormwind so far |
| 17:32.59 | Ward | back when I tried this in vanilla, there were gaps you had to mine across, was the whole thing nerfed at some point? |
| 17:35.39 | Stormscape | Ward yeah they made it so you just need to smelt fuck tons of ore, instead of having to actually mine |
| 17:35.50 | Ward | well I´m stuck now it seems |
| 17:36.01 | Ward | there´s a gap between Adamantium and Cobalt of 10 points |
| 17:36.12 | Ward | the only thing that span it is Enchanted Elementium Ore |
| 17:36.15 | Stormscape | Go mine some cobalt in Howling fjord then |
| 17:36.20 | Ward | I´m level 40 |
| 17:36.20 | Stormscape | it'll take like 20 minutes |
| 17:36.22 | Stormscape | oh LOL |
| 17:36.37 | Ward | I can wait til I hit 80 :p |
| 17:36.46 | Ward | or, OR |
| 17:36.53 | Ward | get a buddy to escort me to some nodes |
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| 17:38.02 | Stormscape | Ward I'm torn between using T7 and T10 for transmog on my priest |
| 17:38.03 | Stormscape | wat do |
| 17:39.49 | Ward | if you have 7 complete I´d use that |
| 17:39.54 | Ward | way more difficult to get atm |
| 17:43.36 | Stormscape | Well for casters you only need 4 pieces for it to be complete |
| 17:43.38 | Ward | cobalt requires 350 as well |
| 17:43.40 | Stormscape | nobody's gonna see your legs |
| 17:43.51 | Ward | I think to get from 340 to 350 I gotta mine in Outland |
| 17:44.09 | Stormscape | Probably whatever the high end Outland ore is |
| 17:44.12 | Stormscape | I forget the name |
| 17:44.16 | Ward | Khorim |
| 17:44.19 | Ward | ium |
| 17:46.50 | Stormscape | Not Khorium, it takes 375 to mine |
| 17:47.01 | Ward | Adamantite |
| 17:47.15 | Ward | fear my lowbie |
| 17:47.16 | Ward | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/outland/wardior/advanced |
| 17:52.04 | Stormscape | Good news for your warrior: BoA leggings rumoured to be in Mists |
| 17:53.06 | JunkHead | yup |
| 17:53.10 | JunkHead | guild achievement. |
| 17:53.30 | JunkHead | get to 600 in every profession. |
| 17:54.08 | Stormscape | that's it? |
| 17:54.10 | Stormscape | That's easy |
| 17:54.29 | JunkHead | yup, |
| 17:58.25 | Stormscape | Well, maybe not for your one man guild |
| 17:58.28 | Stormscape | But for normal guilds it is |
| 17:59.40 | JunkHead | I can still do it. |
| 17:59.46 | JunkHead | It will just take a while. |
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| 18:03.27 | Stormscape | I guess Darkmoon Faire will help out too |
| 18:03.32 | Stormscape | for those last 5 points in each profession |
| 18:04.32 | JunkHead | The only thing keeping me from having 525 of every profession for my guild is reputation. |
| 18:04.43 | JunkHead | Not every character is honored. |
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| 18:47.52 | Stormscape | [11:44:40] <Nixx> Actually, there was a guild I hung out in back in BC. Apparently one night one of their raiders said "BRB" right before they pulled Leo and never returned. |
| 18:47.53 | Stormscape | [11:44:56] <Nixx> Next morning he comes back and they're asking him where the hell he went. "I blacked out on kool aid." |
| 18:48.03 | Stormscape | Kool Aid. Not even once. |
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| 18:49.44 | Artose | Thought it was worth a try here, anybody wanna do RAF on EU server? |
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| 18:50.35 | Artose | if anyone deides, add my skype daniel.stewart1993 |
| 18:50.40 | JunkHead | There is a group in trade chat doing an ICC 25 H run. |
| 18:50.47 | JunkHead | Only want ranged dps. |
| 18:50.52 | JunkHead | 9 of them.:( |
| 18:51.00 | JunkHead | Oh, and 3 healers. |
| 18:51.03 | Eraclito | well... it's not like they want ranged dps |
| 18:51.08 | Eraclito | they do NOT want melee dps :P |
| 18:51.12 | JunkHead | It's like they're allergic to melee.:( |
| 18:51.17 | Eraclito | they're trying to avoid paladins, dks and warriors |
| 18:51.28 | Eraclito | because someone's already reserving shards |
| 18:51.33 | JunkHead | they need 1 melee now. |
| 18:51.41 | Eraclito | aaand that'll be a rogue :P |
| 18:51.49 | JunkHead | and... no answer |
| 18:52.09 | Eraclito | so, yesterday i signed up to openraid, ever tried it before? |
| 18:52.18 | JunkHead | nah |
| 18:52.22 | Eraclito | i like the concept but i'm not sure raids actually work |
| 18:52.30 | Eraclito | (i'm looking for a herald run) |
| 18:52.49 | JunkHead | they do old stuff too? |
| 18:53.08 | Eraclito | yup |
| 18:53.14 | JunkHead | didnt know that |
| 18:53.16 | JunkHead | thats cool. |
| 18:53.22 | JunkHead | as thats all Im interested in really |
| 18:53.47 | Eraclito | yeah, me too :P i raided bwl so much just before the transmog was released |
| 18:54.42 | Stormscape | point of openraid is old stuff only I thought |
| 18:54.46 | Stormscape | as you can't cross-realm DS |
| 18:55.29 | Eraclito | yeah exactly |
| 18:55.35 | JunkHead | i had no idea |
| 18:55.43 | JunkHead | ive heard of it, but never looked into it |
| 18:58.16 | Eraclito | i'm just a bit annoyed about using realid with strangers... let's hope they'll soon add battletags for wow |
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| 19:03.17 | JunkHead | I just signed up for it. |
| 19:03.19 | JunkHead | Cant hurt. |
| 19:07.11 | Ackis | open raid is wicked, I got Herald of the Titans the other day from it :D |
| 19:08.28 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 19:08.37 | Gnarfoz | what's open raid |
| 19:08.50 | Ackis | openraid.us or openraid.eu |
| 19:08.55 | Gnarfoz | and isn't HotT one of those you'd need to be level 80 for now and meet the ilvl requirement |
| 19:09.11 | Ackis | a site to set up cross-server raids for achievements, etc with people you don't know |
| 19:09.26 | Ackis | yeah level 80 with no gear higher than 232/226 and kill Agalon in 10 man |
| 19:09.34 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 19:09.37 | Gnarfoz | what's the realm first for that? |
| 19:09.52 | Gnarfoz | or was there none for that |
| 19:10.02 | Gnarfoz | maybe I'm mixing stuff up there a bit |
| 19:10.03 | Ackis | there was none |
| 19:10.35 | Ackis | http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=3316 |
| 19:10.36 | Gnarfoz | anyway, my only 80 is my ancient warlock, who has no gear |
| 19:10.37 | Gnarfoz | yay. |
| 19:11.08 | Ackis | easy to get gear |
| 19:11.11 | Gnarfoz | I know HotT, just thought there was a Realm First for that, too (there were some, sprinkled all over Ulduar and ToC) |
| 19:11.18 | JunkHead | Well, so far today I've done Hyjal. |
| 19:11.26 | JunkHead | I guess I'll go do MC now. |
| 19:11.27 | Ackis | you just sign up for ulduar's on your level 80 toon and just say you're gearing up for herald |
| 19:12.22 | Gnarfoz | :meh: i guess I could try it one day, I'd probably be the first german on there or something |
| 19:12.42 | JunkHead | You know what they do to the "first german" right...... |
| 19:12.52 | Stormscape | Take him out to a fancy party? |
| 19:12.57 | JunkHead | .... |
| 19:13.01 | JunkHead | If you don't know.... |
| 19:13.04 | JunkHead | I can't tell you. |
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| 19:43.05 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] News Round Up: Fireworks in Azeroth Today, 5.0.1 PTR Coming Soon - http://www.wowhead.com/news=204535/news-round-up-fireworks-in-azeroth-today-5-0-1-ptr-coming-soon |
| 19:54.17 | Eraclito | yay herald of the titans :D |
| 19:54.53 | Eraclito | openraid is really awesome |
| 19:54.56 | JunkHead | I got the last piece of might gear i needed |
| 19:55.00 | JunkHead | but no binding.:( |
| 19:55.13 | JunkHead | Going to BT now. |
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| 19:56.11 | JunkHead | Cmon shoulders, chest, and shield.:P |
| 20:26.47 | fewyn | you know what really pisses me off getting an lfr queue to pop that's 3/4 |
| 20:28.17 | Ama|work | How does class assignment work with LFR, anyway? |
| 20:28.21 | Amarande | hrm |
| 20:28.23 | Amarande | and come to think of it |
| 20:28.42 | Amarande | will LFR even be viable in MoP, with the current class buffsets as I've heard they will be? |
| 20:29.05 | Amarande | or will it be more common for the raid to have even greater than a PUG's normal chance of failure because essential buffs will be likely to be missing? |
| 20:29.21 | Amarande | apparently, they made a couple of them pretty much *too* rare (often unique to a specific spec in the classes that bring them) |
| 20:30.28 | Amarande | (and should we expect that the usual reaction to this is going to end up being for LFR to involve a lot of people being vote kicked for nothing more than being a class that isn't bringing any non-duplicate buffs to the table and the raid being missing one of the small number of specs that can bring one considered essential?) |
| 20:32.06 | Amarande | e.g., mages finding themselves regularly voted out of LFR because they only bring crit and spellpower buffs, there's a hunter in the raid (probably likely since hunters are so often played) that already provides crit, and by kicking the mage they get a chance for an ellie shaman who will bring the spellpower buff too AND the spell haste buff? |
| 20:32.39 | Amarande | apparently the spell haste buff is the rarest, currently limited to just one specific spec each of three specific classes, and it's also considered practically THE most essential raid buff to have in the group |
| 20:33.17 | Amarande | (I've read that basically, haste works on breakpoints, much like FCR or IAS did in Diablo 2, where anything between the breakpoints has no effect, and thus if you're missing the haste buff, it actually means that casters in the raid have to go reforge and sometimes even regem before the raid starts or they lose a feelable amount of DPS) |
| 20:36.43 | JunkHead | illidan dropped a ring and an offhand.:( |
| 20:48.01 | Amarande | anyway |
| 20:48.26 | Amarande | should we expect LFR raids in MoP in particular to regularly exercise the votekick privilege in order to reroll members so that they can get a missing buff or debuff into the group? |
| 20:49.20 | Amarande | and trebly so if that missing buff or debuff is spell haste (which is also overwhelmingly likely to be missing if they haven't changed the buff allocation since GC's post, as it is super rare) |
| 20:58.16 | fewyn | i doubt lfr will be any "harder" than the current incarnation of ds lfr |
| 20:58.30 | fewyn | lfr is supposed to be very accesiable |
| 20:59.01 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, LFR is basically suppoed to be something you do when you finish 5 mans |
| 20:59.24 | Mr_Rabies | also with 25 people you'll most likely have every buff |
| 20:59.40 | Mr_Rabies | if not, who cares, it's gonna be easy |
| 21:00.26 | fewyn | drops are going to be different in lfr too |
| 21:00.38 | fewyn | while normal drops won't change in raids |
| 21:00.53 | fewyn | when you kill a boss in mop in lfr |
| 21:01.01 | fewyn | you get a chance to get a "bag" |
| 21:01.08 | fewyn | and inside that bag will be class specific loot |
| 21:01.32 | fewyn | instead of it dropping 4 items no one might need |
| 21:01.53 | fewyn | such as lol 4 hunter/druid staves |
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| 21:11.18 | Amarande | ah, that's right, LFR is always 25 |
| 21:11.22 | Amarande | that does help things a bit |
| 21:11.47 | Stormscape | fewyn so instead you'll just get the same item 7 times in a row instead |
| 21:11.49 | Stormscape | that's even worse |
| 21:11.58 | Amarande | Although, the spell haste buff may still be a problem, since of the three classes that GC says provide it, each only does so under one spec choice |
| 21:12.18 | Mr_Rabies | if it's a problem, they'll fit it in elsewhere |
| 21:12.25 | Amarande | of which I think only shadow priests are particularly common nowadays? (the other two are ellie shaman and boomkin) |
| 21:12.41 | Stormscape | >25 man raid |
| 21:12.45 | Stormscape | >not having a shadow priest |
| 21:12.45 | Stormscape | How |
| 21:13.09 | Amarande | Stormscape: well the probability of that depends on server demographics I'd imagine |
| 21:13.19 | Stormscape | It's LFR so no |
| 21:13.22 | Mr_Rabies | where's the buff list you keep referencing, Amarande |
| 21:13.23 | Amarande | remember, we're not talking a 25 man raid tailor-made by a group |
| 21:13.39 | Stormscape | Amarande, LFR isn't per server so it doesn't matter |
| 21:13.40 | Amarande | we're talking a raid that gets a fixed quantity of DPS chosen randomly from every DPS on the server that cares to queue |
| 21:13.50 | Amarande | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/4574894/Mists_of_Pandaria_Buff_and_Debuff_Design-3_8_2012 |
| 21:14.06 | JunkHead | And now, ICC 25H finally. |
| 21:14.48 | Amarande | Which means, unless shadow priests are sufficiently common compared to the DPS population of the queue as a whole, yeah, I could easily see a randomly cobbled group failing to acquire one |
| 21:14.50 | Mr_Rabies | i see them just merging the spell and melee ones if it's a problem |
| 21:15.15 | Amarande | Which I actually wouldn't be surprised see happen more often than you'd think |
| 21:15.36 | Amarande | primarily because savvy priests are unlikely to queue as shadow, they'll probably queue more often as healers to get a shorter queue time |
| 21:15.56 | Mr_Rabies | ideal class composition isn't really a concern in LFR |
| 21:15.59 | Stormscape | Or they'll do what most people do: Queue as healer then not heal |
| 21:16.12 | Mr_Rabies | hell, it's not even really a concern for us and we're 6/8 heroic |
| 21:16.21 | JunkHead | I only need 3 achievements to get my mount from icc. |
| 21:16.23 | Stormscape | Because nobody ever gets kicked in LFR because the tanks chain pull |
| 21:16.31 | Mr_Rabies | sure we might be 8/8 heroic if we really did worry that much |
| 21:16.36 | JunkHead | full house, once bitten twice shy, and i've been waiting a long time |
| 21:16.36 | Amarande | (Indeed, that's actually a problem with the spell haste buff as a whole come to think of it ... ALL of the classes that can provide it, are ones that 1) have a healer spec, but 2) only give the haste buff as a DPS spec) |
| 21:16.42 | Mr_Rabies | but we'd be done and have nothing to do if we were 8/8 |
| 21:16.48 | Mr_Rabies | i'd rather play with friends and have fun |
| 21:16.57 | Stormscape | Amarande, it's not as big of a problem as you're making it out to be |
| 21:17.01 | Stormscape | Because LFR is babby's first raid |
| 21:17.04 | Stormscape | and easy as fuck |
| 21:17.26 | Mr_Rabies | at most it'll be a problem for 10 man normal and heroic |
| 21:17.28 | Mr_Rabies | and if it is |
| 21:17.37 | Mr_Rabies | they'll probably just merge the melee and spell ones into one buff |
| 21:17.58 | Mr_Rabies | 10% melee, 5% spel |
| 21:18.22 | Amarande | yeah, 10's seem to be having an unhappy thought about it |
| 21:18.31 | Mr_Rabies | of course they are |
| 21:18.33 | Stormscape | Who cares about the 10 man peasents |
| 21:18.35 | Mr_Rabies | it's a change to a blizzard game |
| 21:18.48 | Mr_Rabies | if people didn't have a problem with it, i'd be worried |
| 21:19.06 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: the problem is the spell haste buff is so rare that it's easily in the category of "shit someone couldn't make it and now we're screwed" |
| 21:19.22 | Mr_Rabies | if it's a problem, they'll probably just merge the melee and spell ones into one buff |
| 21:19.25 | Mr_Rabies | don't worry about it |
| 21:19.47 | Amarande | yeah, that's true |
| 21:19.55 | Amarande | probably a good idea, if they can't add the spell one to more classes for some reason |
| 21:20.00 | Stormscape | If 5% spell haste really means you're "screwed", you need more gear and skill |
| 21:20.07 | Amarande | apparently, the other problem is that spell haste really is something that groups feel they can't live without |
| 21:20.13 | Amarande | especially for progression |
| 21:20.31 | Mr_Rabies | because everything's so caster, and especially mage, centric right now |
| 21:21.04 | Mr_Rabies | there's very little reason to not just put a mage in every dps slot other than worrying about gearing up taking a while |
| 21:21.58 | Mr_Rabies | the class dynamics are gonna change, and spell haste probably won't be such a big deal because casters aren't gonna be so stacked hopefully |
| 21:22.14 | Stormscape | Casters will be stacked because Blizzard hates melee |
| 21:22.36 | JunkHead | Blizzard hates you. |
| 21:22.37 | fewyn | if blizzard hates melee why am i always like top dps? |
| 21:22.46 | Mr_Rabies | it's just hard to do much interesting with melee, especially with specs that still need to attack from behind |
| 21:22.47 | Stormscape | It's a love/hate relationship |
| 21:23.35 | Mr_Rabies | like, i work my ass off on ultraxion and don't stand a chance against our mage |
| 21:24.15 | JunkHead | So, you have no ass now? |
| 21:24.20 | JunkHead | How do you sit? |
| 21:24.21 | Corgan | Blizzard doesn't hate melee |
| 21:24.26 | Corgan | Balance, bro |
| 21:24.40 | Mr_Rabies | hate is kind of a dumb word |
| 21:24.49 | Mr_Rabies | more like "not really knowing what to do with them" |
| 21:24.55 | JunkHead | Bias would be a more correct term. |
| 21:24.59 | Amarande | actually, what I read is something (is this true? I didn't read EJ in enough detail on a caster spec that actually talked more about haste besides priority and cap) about spell haste having breakpoints |
| 21:25.08 | Mr_Rabies | like, it benefits you significantly to have all casters for heroic warmaster |
| 21:25.14 | Amarande | like how fast cast and IAS in Diablo 2 had breakpoints, and any score between two BPs meant wasted stat points in your gear |
| 21:25.18 | Mr_Rabies | there aren't very many fights that -need- melee |
| 21:25.26 | Mr_Rabies | but there are plenty that absolutely need casters |
| 21:25.32 | Amarande | which means that to optimise your gear, you need to be able to count on whether you have that buff or not |
| 21:25.49 | Stormscape | WoW haste doesn't have break points |
| 21:25.50 | Stormscape | Not anymore |
| 21:26.26 | Amarande | there was a lot of hue and cry from casters fearing that with the likelihood of the haste buff being missing much of the time, they would need to reforge and potentially regem every week based on whether the buff was or wasn't in the raid |
| 21:26.43 | Stormscape | People who claim that are overreacting morons |
| 21:27.28 | Mr_Rabies | people who claim any kind of doomsday scenario about an unreleased game are morons |
| 21:27.30 | Amarande | heh, wonder how they would have felt in vanilla or BC where apparently players were expected to be able to commit to re*speccing* on a weekly basis based on what the raid needed (and in some cases respeccing just for one fight?) |
| 21:27.50 | Mr_Rabies | i refused to respec, still do |
| 21:28.02 | Mr_Rabies | i pay the bills, i play what i like |
| 21:28.02 | Stormscape | I never need to respec |
| 21:28.05 | Stormscape | I only have 1 spec |
| 21:28.07 | Stormscape | trololo |
| 21:28.10 | Amarande | speaking of which, also, how does dual spec work in MoP? |
| 21:28.19 | Mr_Rabies | same as it does now, pretty much |
| 21:28.20 | JunkHead | I never respecced when I raied on my warrior. |
| 21:28.23 | JunkHead | I was prot. |
| 21:28.27 | Mr_Rabies | oh, well |
| 21:28.30 | JunkHead | I hated changing. |
| 21:28.36 | Mr_Rabies | your talents and specialization aren't tied to each other |
| 21:28.37 | JunkHead | I even quested and grinded as prot. |
| 21:28.42 | Mr_Rabies | as far as i know, hrm |
| 21:28.48 | Mr_Rabies | i guess i should check |
| 21:28.49 | Amarande | yeah, which makes me wonder how they're going to deal with dual spec |
| 21:28.59 | Amarande | I mean, your talents and specialisation aren't tied to each other |
| 21:29.25 | Amarande | which means basically, you might as well just give everyone triple spec, otherwise, it seems silly to make them choose 2 of the 3 to be available to them at a time |
| 21:29.32 | Mr_Rabies | the goal is to retalent as necessary |
| 21:29.43 | Amarande | now that it's not as large of a change (since your talents don't necessarily need to change) |
| 21:29.53 | Mr_Rabies | fight coming up needs a lot of CC? retalent |
| 21:29.54 | Amarande | and of course, by "your talents and specialisation aren't tied to each other" |
| 21:30.13 | Mr_Rabies | know that the boss has a one-shot ability? retalent for defense |
| 21:30.14 | Mr_Rabies | etc |
| 21:30.18 | Amarande | we mean "for about a week or so till EJ and Noxxic figure out that each spec has a certain set of talent choices that give slightly higher numbers" |
| 21:30.31 | Mr_Rabies | there aren't really numbers for most talents |
| 21:30.33 | Stormscape | if they had triple spec |
| 21:30.36 | Stormscape | I'd just have 3 shadow specs |
| 21:30.42 | Stormscape | PvE, 2nd PvE, 3rd PvE |
| 21:30.50 | Mr_Rabies | and if they find that one talent is better, it'll be changed so it isn't |
| 21:31.07 | Mr_Rabies | so all that EJ would be doing would be helping blizzard find things to nerf |
| 21:31.21 | Stormscape | Actually for priest a lot of them are pretty terrible |
| 21:31.22 | Stormscape | as it stands |
| 21:31.56 | Mr_Rabies | the goal is for each boss to have a set of talents that work best with them, and it's up to you to figure out how much of a difference each talent might make |
| 21:32.15 | Stormscape | They made it really easy for priests |
| 21:32.16 | Stormscape | tada |
| 21:32.17 | Stormscape | http://mop.wowhead.com/mists-of-pandaria-talent-calculator#py^n |
| 21:32.17 | Amarande | and apparently EJ is currently pondering that arcane mages cannot afford to take either Incanter's Ward or Rune of Power |
| 21:32.53 | Ward | you always take Incanter´s Ward |
| 21:32.53 | Mr_Rabies | like, healers might wanna take some defensive talents, not just ones that are themselves heals |
| 21:32.53 | Ward | for it´s a Wrd |
| 21:32.53 | Mr_Rabies | etc |
| 21:32.53 | Ward | Ward |
| 21:33.05 | Mr_Rabies | link didn't work Stormscape :p |
| 21:33.17 | Amarande | apparently, the problem is that arcane mages no longer have a mana neutral rotation phase |
| 21:33.22 | Mr_Rabies | oh |
| 21:33.23 | Mr_Rabies | there we go |
| 21:33.26 | Stormscape | okay basically: everything in the right column except for mindbender |
| 21:33.30 | Amarande | therefore, they *have to* take Invocation or they will OOM in extended fights |
| 21:34.35 | Ward | I´m not gonna worry about specs until shit goes live |
| 21:34.41 | Ward | they´re still tweaking and changing things |
| 21:34.58 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think it's gonna be as cut and dry as you make it Stormscape |
| 21:35.00 | Stormscape | Amarande, and on the opposite end of the spectrum, Shadow Priests have literally infinite mana |
| 21:35.05 | Stormscape | Mr_Rabies, actually yes, for PvE |
| 21:35.05 | Mr_Rabies | i see a lot of utility in things you didn't choose |
| 21:36.11 | Mr_Rabies | i think you'll see it differs by the time you're raiding |
| 21:36.18 | Stormscape | the only fight specific one is Dark Star versus Halo |
| 21:36.53 | Mr_Rabies | i disagree |
| 21:37.12 | Stormscape | which ones in particular? |
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| 21:37.20 | Mr_Rabies | most, if not all of them |
| 21:37.36 | Stormscape | level 75 tier for example |
| 21:37.49 | Stormscape | Divine Insight is easily more powerful than PI |
| 21:38.09 | Stormscape | Twist of Fate is worthless unless it's the execute phase is downright massive |
| 21:38.28 | Amarande | oh, yeah, how's the raid viability of frost mage looking for MoP btw? |
| 21:38.45 | Mr_Rabies | okay yeah i just changed specs in beta |
| 21:38.54 | Stormscape | Angelic Bulwark is more likely to save your life in a raid than the other 2 |
| 21:39.00 | Mr_Rabies | i dunno if it's intended functionality or not, but you store two sets of talents that swap with your specialization |
| 21:39.04 | Stormscape | Mindbender is a DPS increase |
| 21:39.13 | Stormscape | PW: Solace is literally worthless |
| 21:39.17 | Stormscape | and FDCL is debatable |
| 21:39.29 | Mr_Rabies | i disagree |
| 21:39.35 | Stormscape | but as it stands, MS damage is apparently neglible |
| 21:39.49 | Mr_Rabies | i see all of those having use for different fights |
| 21:39.55 | Stormscape | Mr_Rabies, no, PW: Solace really is literally worthless |
| 21:39.59 | Stormscape | a VT tick restores 2% of my max mana |
| 21:41.15 | Amarande | Stormscape: the execute phase is going to be downright massive :) |
| 21:41.31 | Mr_Rabies | glyphs, talents, and specialization change all at once |
| 21:41.39 | Stormscape | Amarande, it has to be long enough to surpass Divine Insight in DPS gains |
| 21:41.52 | Stormscape | IC free Mind Blasts is a lot of DPS |
| 21:42.01 | Amarande | Already, Deathwing on Heroic 25 has almost half a billion HP |
| 21:42.14 | Amarande | I'm going to expect that even the starter raid bosses on heroic in MoP will have ten digit HP |
| 21:42.20 | Stormscape | I don't. |
| 21:42.22 | Mr_Rabies | deathwing's kind of an outlier |
| 21:42.27 | Amarande | which means ... execute phase is still 35% right? |
| 21:42.28 | Mr_Rabies | you don't actually damage him |
| 21:42.33 | Stormscape | Compare Heroic LK25 to first 25 man boss in Cata |
| 21:42.53 | fewyn | first boss in cata was lolez compared to lk normal |
| 21:42.59 | Amarande | ok, Ultraxion, say, has over a quarter of a billion HP |
| 21:43.03 | Amarande | on heroic 25 |
| 21:43.07 | Stormscape | Ultraxion is another outlier |
| 21:43.09 | Stormscape | He's a DPS race |
| 21:43.24 | Stormscape | a technical boss has nowhere near that amount of HP |
| 21:43.25 | Amarande | ah, I'm guessing he fits the instance dynamic in a similar way to Blood Queen in ICC? |
| 21:43.27 | Stormscape | See: Hagara |
| 21:43.38 | Mr_Rabies | ultraxion's basically a patchwerk fight |
| 21:43.44 | Amarande | (who is, indeed, second only to Arthas for HP total in the raid) |
| 21:43.49 | Stormscape | Ultraxion is a gear check, nothing else |
| 21:43.53 | Mr_Rabies | except there are problems since he can't be backstabbed |
| 21:44.12 | Stormscape | Mr_Rabies, rogue in my guild went sub on Ultramagnus and just spammed Hemo |
| 21:44.14 | Stormscape | and got top DPS |
| 21:44.15 | Stormscape | gg |
| 21:44.27 | Mr_Rabies | i work my ass off and tend to get third or fourth |
| 21:44.36 | Stormscape | Well he has the legendaries soooo |
| 21:44.37 | Mr_Rabies | since shred is so important, losing it sucks |
| 21:44.50 | Amarande | ah, yeah, now I see a more typical one, Blackhorn with close to 90M |
| 21:44.50 | Mr_Rabies | mangle is no substitute |
| 21:45.03 | Mr_Rabies | there really aren't any typical fights in DS |
| 21:45.14 | Mr_Rabies | all of them have their own caveats that make the health pool weird |
| 21:45.14 | Stormscape | Regular Morchok is the closest you can get to typical |
| 21:45.38 | Mr_Rabies | even morchok |
| 21:45.44 | Mr_Rabies | has the poo phase |
| 21:45.45 | Amarande | Yeah Morchok is strange |
| 21:45.52 | Mr_Rabies | where melee can't attack |
| 21:45.58 | Stormscape | but ranged can |
| 21:45.59 | Stormscape | u mad |
| 21:45.59 | Amarande | his HP pool actually goes DOWN on heroic compared to normal, apparently |
| 21:46.07 | Stormscape | Yes, because he splits on Heroic |
| 21:46.15 | Stormscape | and having a larger HP pool would make it too hard for the first boss |
| 21:46.37 | Mr_Rabies | ultraxion is really the closest thing to a normal fight |
| 21:46.49 | Amarande | anyway, I expect that just about every heroic raid boss on MoP is going to have nine digit HP |
| 21:46.49 | Mr_Rabies | but the buffs from the dragons even throw that off |
| 21:46.58 | Amarande | which means you have at least 35 million HP worth of execute phase |
| 21:47.11 | Stormscape | 35M HP doesn't last long when everybody is doing 100k+ DPS |
| 21:47.27 | blademeld | Stormscape finds out that his healers are doing 200k |
| 21:47.31 | blademeld | dps |
| 21:47.34 | blademeld | while tanking |
| 21:47.47 | Stormscape | So they're pallies? |
| 21:47.51 | hylje | zing |
| 21:48.11 | Amarande | anyway. frost mage = viable raider in MoP, or not? |
| 21:49.25 | Stormscape | Mr_Rabies, if you really want to talk about worthless though |
| 21:49.25 | Amarande | apparently at one point in cata frost was supposed to be win and awesome but it's said they pushed the spec back down the ladder by 4.3 |
| 21:49.26 | Stormscape | glyphs |
| 21:49.32 | Stormscape | all the shadow glyphs are PvP glyphs |
| 21:49.43 | Amarande | yeah, glyphs I'm still trying to wrap myself around |
| 21:49.55 | Mr_Rabies | glyphs are obviously not finished yet |
| 21:49.55 | Amarande | when I left Silvermoon I decided to take up engi on my new alliance server rather than roll a new scribe |
| 21:50.07 | Amarande | since I really don't want to try to make a scribe atm until I know what will be a waste in MoP |
| 21:50.09 | Mr_Rabies | they're tied into a profession, so they're weird |
| 21:50.29 | Mr_Rabies | and they're a lot less straightforward than enchanting, jewelcrafting, etc |
| 21:50.33 | Stormscape | Here, take a look at current shadow glyphs: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/mists-of-pandaria/feature/talent-specification#X! |
| 21:50.38 | Stormscape | So hilariously worthless |
| 21:50.43 | Amarande | and then there's still that nagging matter of the cross-realm zones and how much they'll *really* impact the game experience |
| 21:51.03 | Stormscape | Here's a hint: They won't |
| 21:51.09 | Amarande | will it be just enough so we actually regularly encounter other players while questing |
| 21:51.14 | Mr_Rabies | those aren't all pve |
| 21:51.23 | Mr_Rabies | you're acting like all you do is stand still and spam spells in pve |
| 21:51.32 | Mr_Rabies | er, aren't all pvp |
| 21:51.50 | Amarande | or more, as dense as when the expansions featuring the given content were new, and better group up for quests involving "kill specific named mob" because otherwise you may be spending an hour waiting your turn? |
| 21:52.45 | Stormscape | Mr_Rabies, I don't see a PvE use for the spell Psychic Horror as of yet |
| 21:52.56 | Amarande | then there is the matter of the fishing tourneys, whether some servers may never see a Salty again because Stranglethorn might be sparse enough to be shared on Sundays, so the contest keeps going to a guest player from a higher population server |
| 21:53.02 | Stormscape | Mind Blast glyph? Only good for soloing |
| 21:53.14 | Stormscape | Mind Flay glyph? unspiring. |
| 21:53.17 | Stormscape | *uninspiring |
| 21:53.42 | Stormscape | Dispersion: could use a better glyph in its place, 15 seconds off a 120 second cooldown is just insulting |
| 21:54.05 | Amarande | Storm: any word yet on whether Stranglethorn will be exempted from guest players specifically because of the complications for the Fishing Extravaganza? |
| 21:54.14 | Stormscape | No idea |
| 21:54.40 | Mr_Rabies | i really wish they'd just remove the fishing contests from salty |
| 21:54.42 | Amarande | or is the actual thing that Blizzard would like to move to, the idea of not really having separate realms at all, just "Normal" "PvP" "RP" or "RPPvP" with the actual server being of little or no matter? |
| 21:55.01 | Mr_Rabies | if you can't play on the weekend, you can never get that title |
| 21:55.16 | fewyn | http://www.dsogaming.com/news/final-fantasy-7-pc-coming-soon-requirements-revealed-compatible-with-all-windows-oses/ |
| 21:55.24 | Mr_Rabies | during that specific 20 minutes to an hour |
| 21:55.32 | Amarande | yeah, that's one of the issues with it |
| 21:55.39 | hylje | Amarande: yes, and you can group across realm type in which case group leader's realm type is used |
| 21:55.41 | Amarande | the other one being kind of regarding the spirit of the achievement system |
| 21:56.02 | Amarande | every other achievement, pretty much, is one that an unlimited number of players can potentially attain if they put the skill and time into it |
| 21:56.04 | Mr_Rabies | another option would be to have a contest every day |
| 21:56.13 | Stormscape | 20 minutes? as if. Northrend Fishing Tournament usually is won in 5-10 minutesd |
| 21:56.17 | Mr_Rabies | or several times a day |
| 21:56.22 | Amarande | Salty on the other hand is strictly limited to up to 104 new achievers in a year |
| 21:56.23 | hylje | Mr_Rabies: or just a single a weekday contest |
| 21:56.24 | Amarande | per server |
| 21:56.33 | Amarande | possibly less in MoP with xrealm zones if the contest is shared across servers |
| 21:56.46 | blademeld | Amarande: probably not during contests |
| 21:56.59 | blademeld | since it's only non-popular zones |
| 21:57.06 | Amarande | even a contest every day restricts it to 365 players per year per server |
| 21:57.07 | blademeld | also rape grape hylje |
| 21:57.18 | hylje | Amarande: you probably get locked into a particular zone instance when you sign up for the contest |
| 21:57.23 | fewyn | raaaape |
| 21:57.30 | Mr_Rabies | it's kind of dumb for the fishing title of all things to be one of the most rare |
| 21:57.31 | Amarande | Generally speaking, achievements that by design can only be attained by one or a limited number of players are FoS, not pointed achievements and definitely not tied to metas |
| 21:57.51 | hylje | Amarande: so you only play with the others who also locked into that instance to do the contest with |
| 21:57.58 | Amarande | It would be like requiring the AQ bug mount in order to get Classic Raider |
| 21:58.10 | blademeld | what Amarande doesn't realize is that blizz likes having anal intercourse with the players |
| 21:58.45 | Amarande | blademeld: no, that's Turbine |
| 21:58.58 | Mr_Rabies | fewyn |
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| 21:59.09 | Mr_Rabies | ff7 supporting cloud saves is kind of hilarious |
| 21:59.30 | hylje | lol it's a pun |
| 21:59.40 | Amarande | Blizzard hasn't moved towards a system where there's a good chance content (at least heroic - or Tier 2 as they call it there - raids if nothing else) will be tied towards the player being willing to spend 30-50 real dollars on their character each time they get certain gear upgrades |
| 21:59.59 | Amarande | when we get that in WoW (we won't) then maybe we can say Blizzard likes to screw over players. :) |
| 22:00.10 | Mr_Rabies | also i hope they have real sound, not the music recut into midi like the old pc release |
| 22:00.10 | Mr_Rabies | :X |
| 22:00.13 | blademeld | I wish that I could play D3 without lag |
| 22:00.21 | blademeld | lag kills me more than anything else in that game |
| 22:00.23 | Amarande | that reminds me |
| 22:00.29 | Amarande | are there regional choices for server to play on in D3 |
| 22:00.37 | Amarande | or does everyone have to have a good connection to one specific Battle.net data centre? |
| 22:00.40 | jane | blademeld: weird, i look like i have lag..except i dont...but i do... when i play with others :( |
| 22:00.51 | jane | it doesnt kill me, but people look like they're ahead of me ALL the time |
| 22:01.04 | jane | and i have super low latency. i really don't get it |
| 22:01.08 | Amarande | if D3 forces everyone in the US to play on the LADC I might not want to buy the game at all, for instance :| |
| 22:01.41 | Mr_Rabies | well, i dunno if it's only one datacenter, but there is only one US realm selection |
| 22:01.47 | Mr_Rabies | north america |
| 22:02.02 | Mr_Rabies | but you can play on say, the european realm, or asian realm |
| 22:02.09 | Mr_Rabies | one more, i forget |
| 22:02.15 | Mr_Rabies | or is that it |
| 22:02.26 | Amarande | basically, what I'm wondering is if D3 in the US always means playing via the Los Angeles Battle.net data centre |
| 22:02.26 | Mr_Rabies | i guess latin/south america |
| 22:02.27 | Mr_Rabies | i forget |
| 22:02.41 | Amarande | or if it's a different one, or random between several (or maybe a "best-ping/route" auto choice) |
| 22:02.55 | Mr_Rabies | you can play on the international realms, but your items, friends, etc are tied to each realm |
| 22:03.27 | Mr_Rabies | and you can't use the real money auction house in realms that aren't your native one |
| 22:03.57 | Amarande | Well, I already had to abandon my WoW characters on one server because the LA data centre is not playable for me |
| 22:04.03 | Amarande | it's not a matter of ping, but for some reason stability |
| 22:04.20 | Mr_Rabies | it's probably some weird routing between your isp and blizzard |
| 22:04.36 | Amarande | Almost every time I would teleport with my mage on Silvermoon, or take a flight path (though I would be OK till I landed), or sometimes even log in, I would DC |
| 22:04.52 | Amarande | I do not have similar issues on Ysera, and know this for sure now as Kiruna has reached the level to learn Teleport and I've used it a few times |
| 22:04.52 | jane | i think you just have bad luck with dcs :p |
| 22:05.09 | Amarande | And kd3 said he was getting similar issues with beta (which is also LA based) |
| 22:05.13 | Mr_Rabies | alt-tabbing while loading will force dc you unless you play in windowed mode, you sure it wasn't that? |
| 22:05.25 | Amarande | huh. might have been, but not sure |
| 22:05.34 | Amarande | that's an interesting bug, as well, surprised it is not fixed yet |
| 22:05.40 | Mr_Rabies | it didn't used to |
| 22:06.11 | Mr_Rabies | i play in full screen (windowed) specifically because of that bug |
| 22:06.17 | Amarande | yeah, I put it on that as well |
| 22:06.29 | Amarande | oddly, I've actually heard some claims that it's a feature, though it seems odd that it should be |
| 22:06.53 | Amarande | an undocumented feature added with Cata to combat server clogs caused by people having facebook and twitter habits alongside their WoW ones, apparently :| |
| 22:07.28 | Amarande | I guess designed to boot people off the Illidans and Tichondriuses of the world so that people in the queue can join instead of having to wait because someone is idling on FB while logged on :P |
| 22:07.40 | Amarande | I generally avoid ultra high pop servers sooo ... :S |
| 22:07.51 | jane | lolol trolling another group of people with my shield xmog |
| 22:08.05 | Amarande | and I've never seen queues or overpopulation be an issue on Turalyon or on Ysera |
| 22:08.11 | Amarande | (well, except for Dalalag back in the day, anyway) |
| 22:08.40 | Amarande | and Dalalag was probably a fact of life everywhere unless you maybe played on some server like Azshara or Drak'Tharon or such |
| 22:09.03 | jane | eh i kinda feel like a dick like my guildie that keeps getting items to fuck with people.. |
| 22:09.05 | Stormscape | sometimes I d/c in WoW when I jump on rocks |
| 22:09.18 | Amarande | Storm: that's apparently a bug that afflicts some people and no one is really sure why |
| 22:11.13 | Amarande | it's said to be possibly something to do with anti-teleport hack code |
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| 22:11.25 | Mr_Rabies | same with me and flying into trees in stormwind, stolenlegacy |
| 22:11.28 | Mr_Rabies | er Stormscape |
| 22:11.29 | Amarande | except it only happens to some people all the time and never for others, and no one is really sure why it happens to who it does |
| 22:11.50 | Mr_Rabies | sometimes if i fly into a tree just right i get dced |
| 22:12.16 | Amarande | One person has quipped that it was probably security code programmed by someone who did a work-experience gig at Blizzard and then moved on to "a better job in fast food" |
| 22:12.27 | Amarande | and therefore nobody at Blizzard really quite knows how the code works or why it bugs out :P |
| 22:12.40 | Eraclito | [00:07:28] <jane> lolol trolling another group of people with my shield xmog <- how do you troll people with a shield xmog? :P |
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| 22:17.15 | jane | Eraclito: i'm a resto shaman with the heroic blackhorn tank shield xmog |
| 22:17.15 | jane | :p |
| 22:17.49 | Stormscape | one of the tanks in my guild wants to be able to transmog weapons into shields |
| 22:17.52 | Stormscape | so he can dual wield shields |
| 22:17.58 | jane | haha just like my two sticks |
| 22:18.17 | Amarande | Stormscape: tell him to go play Final Fantasy 2 |
| 22:19.32 | jane | but i had a guildie do this: https://img.skitch.com/20120705-jbqch17mipgcewd3y4agr124nu.jpg |
| 22:19.37 | jane | i think he had people crying |
| 22:19.56 | Stormscape | oh god yes |
| 22:20.24 | stolenlegacy | what |
| 22:20.27 | stolenlegacy | oh okay |
| 22:20.40 | Eraclito | it needs a spirit reforging |
| 22:22.30 | jane | https://img.skitch.com/20120705-8qtncm97kqxmqkxra5ppgpptk8.jpg he did this on the ot her |
| 22:22.37 | jane | idk parry is pretty useful :P |
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