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00:12.53fewynhttp://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/collectibles/eceb/ for those tf2 fans (comes with an ingame item!~)
00:19.43Lugburzfewyn: you couldve bought it off of valve site as well
00:19.45Lugburzplus
00:19.50LugburzI think the in game balloonicorn is like what
00:19.52Lugburz5ref?
00:19.57Lugburzis not sure :/
00:21.20Amarandeyay glad I won both of those need rolls
00:21.26Amarandethe other person rolling was a shaman. on cloth. :|
00:22.04Lugburzlol shammy rolling on cloth?
00:22.09Lugburzdidnt they fix that problem?
00:22.45Amarandenot in stockades apparently :P
00:22.55Lugburzoh stockades
00:22.56Lugburzwow
00:22.59LugburzMAN THATS INTENSE :p
00:24.38Amarandealso, why does my DPS suck as a mage in these dungeons :|
00:24.51Amarandein deadmines the other night, my DPS was top among the DPS but the tank outDPSed the rest of us by a longshot
01:25.56Amarande*rolls eyes* Guild name I just saw: "Women Pvpers Make Me QQ"
01:34.25fewynfucking blizzard
01:34.28fewyni finally get zin'rokh
01:34.35fewynbut it's the end of the expansion
01:35.25Jammerhehe
01:35.32fewynno this is totally not funny
01:35.34Jammerwell it was useless after first tier
01:35.43fewyni used like 100k fragments
01:35.46fewyntroll fragments
01:35.48fewyntrying to get them
01:35.50fewyni swear
01:35.59Jammerhow many you got solved?
01:36.12AmarandeAnd some of the archaeology items were GAH CRAP NOT AGAIN.
01:36.15ElysaI still haven't gotten Zin'rokh yet :(
01:36.15fewyneverything i think but the dwarf staff
01:36.24fewynand maybe one or two tolvir items
01:36.25AmarandeThis is about the fifth time I've been through a capital city since level 20 and forgotten to get archaeology
01:36.37fewynhttp://www.wowhead.com/profile=us.velen.fewyn#projects
01:36.45Amarandeanyway, some of them were pretty much useless from the get go
01:36.54Amarandelike that one weapon that's for a level 80 and is ilvl 226
01:37.25Amarandewhich ... is useful for the ten or twenty minutes or so it takes to get to Hyjal or Vashj'ir and do the quest that grants your first weapon upgrade
01:37.38fewynyeah
01:37.44fewynbut zin'rokh was what i wanted
01:37.45fewynfor an alt
01:37.51fewynand i wanted it bad
01:37.57fewynspent so many hours on archaology
01:38.28fewynhttp://www.wowhead.com/profile=us.velen.fewyn#projects updated it
01:38.36fewynonly missing those 4
01:39.08Jammerwowhead doesn't give total count?
01:39.14Jammerlike if you have duplicates
01:39.28fewynno
01:40.11Ackisaddon called professor counts for you if you're lazy like me :D
01:40.31fewynyou know what i need
01:40.39fewynan addon that will switch my transmog sets
01:40.41fewynAckis code it for me
01:40.58Jammerfewyn: run this to check how many troll solves you got total http://paste2.org/p/2064681
01:41.37fewyn167 troll solves but i've also leveled archaeology to max on all 10 of my 85s on velen
01:42.01Jammerwhy would you do that? :P
01:42.13fewynbecause i'm insane
01:42.22fewynNoxy will confirm
01:42.30Jammercan you even get the epics below certain level of archaeology?
01:42.54fewynyou have to in your 80s i think for zin'rokh to be in your "queue"
01:43.01fewynhttp://www.wowhead.com/user=fewyn#characters:0-8-11
01:43.45Jammerplanning to get the missing ones?
01:43.56fewynon my rogue? probably
01:44.07fewynwhen they "fix" archaeology in mop
01:44.10fewynor whatever they are doing
01:44.24fewyni'm only doing archaeology right now for my fossil fragments for darkmoon
01:44.59Amarandefewyn, do you have The Insane to go with that claim yet? :)
01:45.11fewynnot yet Amarande
01:45.35janei don't care about zin'rokh, im still trying to get a canopic jar with vial of the sands recipe ><
01:45.37fewyni was going to do it but then they messed with the requirements
01:46.07Jammerjane: wouldn't mind getting that but mainly trying to get the tol'vir mount+pet myself :p
01:46.14janeoh, and the pets would be nice too
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01:47.39Jammerwonder if they will add pets/mounts that are unobtainable to the black market
01:48.31Jammerold ZG/ZA, naxx achievement mounts etc
01:48.38Amarandeprobably. it's already pretty much considered fact that tier 3 naxx sets are being put on it
01:48.56Jammerdid they not add naxx sets to darkmoon then?
01:49.06raspyweee got tier piece for my priest from rf
01:49.08janeI need gold :(
01:49.16AmarandeI wonder if things like the recipes for the robe of winter night or greater arcane protection potion, or the chimaerok chops will be put on the BM
01:49.32raspyand the clothy body from first boss
01:49.33JammerAmarande: seems kinda unlikely? :P
01:49.42AmarandeJammer: not sure, I've only just visited Darkmoon Island for the first time tonight and I'm still trying to get familiar with the new faire
01:50.00Amarandeooookay, what is with the breadcrumb setup in Kalimdor for Alliance
01:50.04raspyalotta daily quests and stuff it helps getting darkmoon rep hella faster
01:50.14AmarandeI got a breadcrumb from the hero's call board sending me to southern Ashenvale for Stonetalon
01:50.26fewyni'm just kinda miffed that i got zinrokh now
01:50.30AmarandeInstead of being sent into Stonetalon I get quests for Ashenvale itself, and another breadcrumb telling me to head on to Stranglethorn
01:50.42raspyhehe after soo long trying for it?
01:53.37raspyhehe had 4 people ask me to give them the should token im dude im using alot worse then you
01:55.07Jammerlol
01:55.44Jammerso happy that they're changing LFR loot in MoP
01:56.03Jammerno longer need friends to do it :P
01:56.15janeyeah
01:56.38janeI wish they'd offer a better loot distribution system overall, for all groups
01:57.00janesomeone ninja'd a weapon from me and i still feel a little ragey about it
01:58.21Jammerhmm maybe they'll apply the system to dungeons later if it works out?
01:58.35janeoh this was a pug raid. ><
01:58.40Jammerah
01:58.55janeblizzard's advice was, "just group with better people next time"
01:58.57janethanks so helpful
01:59.15janei think master looter got temp banned from the game though, havent seen him around in like two days and normally i see him in trade daily
01:59.45janeno gear for me :(
02:00.01Jammerdon't really understand why they have policy of not discussing bans
02:00.03janeeven though the GM was like "it doesn't get much more clear cut than "you get x weapon"..
02:00.08janethat's fine, i understand that
02:00.18janei don't know why they don't redistribute loot when there's a clearcut case though
02:00.43janethey apply their non-redistribution policy across the board
02:00.57Jammerhmm
02:01.04JammerI thought they did solve loot issues when it was obvious?
02:01.16janeyeah, they solve it by destroying the loot in question and/or banning the person
02:01.22Jammerlol
02:01.25AmarandeI remember they did fix a loot issue for us once in ICC10
02:01.44AmarandeWe had swapped members around (I think it was in order to get someone who could activate heroic mode or something like that)
02:01.49janeit wasn't a loot issue, it was ML ninjaing the gear after stating the loot distribution policy in in-game chat
02:02.15Amarandeand ... somehow ... we finished off the boss, got the loot, rolled ... and then found that the game had assigned master loot to a person who was no longer actually in the raid group :|
02:02.27janeso i was just like lol its fabulous, i have chat logs saying "the weapon is yours"
02:02.55janethat's a bummer. that is something that can be fixed though
02:03.09janebut yeah..the gm was like "we don't redistribute loot" because they've had situations where multiple people were promised the same thing
02:03.20janeso doesnt matter how clear the rules are, it gets destroyed
02:03.37janewhich is fine with me...the annoying part is that the ninja has the loot, not that i didn't get it. i can always get it later.
02:04.06Amarandewell, sometimes I've thought the solution is to abolish random boss loot altogether
02:04.17Amarandeinstead, have something like the skirmish marks system from LOTRO
02:04.28janei honestly would have no objection to buying all my gear with things like valor points
02:04.31Amarandewhich basically means that the boss would simply drop currency in equal amounts to everyone
02:04.38janewell, basically, valor points :P
02:05.11AmarandeI recall LOTRO handled it with a three tier currency system
02:05.14janeand then have the boss drop items to upgrade any item you want, or something
02:05.17Jammerapparently it's not as exciting to raid then
02:05.21Amarandethere were basic marks, which were gotten in quantity from every skirmish
02:05.31Amarandemedallions, which were for higher quality loot and gotten in smaller quantities from skirmishes
02:05.33janewell i mean one of the things that drives me up a wall is requiring tokens for all tier
02:05.45Amarandeand then there were seals, the highest ranked currency, which you had to do raids to get
02:05.46janemaybe the new lfr loot system will fix it, but right now it is such a clusterfuck if it never drops or whatever
02:05.55janeactually id be ok if the token drops were generic "buy a piece of tier gear"
02:06.05janeits really like, oh look, two conq shoulder tokens dropped. that's bullshit lol
02:06.12fewyngrr why am i not getting fossil digsites
02:06.22Amarandewhat's fun is when your raid's class balance is such that one of the token types is useless
02:06.26Amarandewhich was the case for us in ICC10
02:06.29Jammerhmm yeah the class restrictions on tokens is bit unnecessary maybe
02:06.35janeso like either "any class buy shoulder tier" or "buy any tier for x classes" would be nice. or even just generic "this is ok to buy any piece of tier for any class" tokens
02:06.50janeAmarande: it can still happen now
02:06.56Amarandeour most usual raid composition tended to be something like four druids, two priests, two paladins, a mage and a DK
02:07.04JammerAmarande: surely should have someone reroll at that point :D
02:07.14janelike my last raid was all the people that could come to raid, and it was half conq and half prot, nobody for vanquisher
02:07.20fewynh
02:07.42Amarandethis naturally provoked the RNG into giving us hunter/shaman/warrior tokens, ranged weapons, and mail armour pieces like, all the time :)
02:08.04janeyeah...
02:08.27janemaybe it'd be too easy then
02:08.37janeif there were tokens to buy anything you wanted
02:08.38Jammerwould be sweet to be the only one rolling for tokens in a raid :D
02:08.47janeyeah that is nice if it happens
02:09.43Amarandewell, in LOTRO's case, you require *a lot* of marks to buy high end stuff
02:09.52Amarandeand the really high end armour usually requires seals
02:09.57janewell..
02:09.58Amarandewhich, any way you slice it, you have to raid to get
02:10.04janewhat if you just had more drop for heroic bosses or something?
02:10.10janethen it wouldnt be too bad
02:10.32Amarandeyou can only get medallions and marks from 6-man or smaller skirmishes. you can get seals from both raid instances and from skirmishes, but you can only get them from skirmishes if you run them on raid mode
02:10.54Amarande(skirmishes are the ultimate in flex-party size instances: they have separate modes for solo, 2, 3, 6, and 12 man)
02:11.35Jammersounds bit weird
02:11.54janeno, it would be like those items in fl that upgraded your 378 pieces
02:12.05janebut those were implemented weirdly
02:12.18Amarandeyou mean like the tokens you used in LK to upgrade your T10 to heroic T10?
02:12.24janeand that
02:12.57janelike, lets say, buy everything with valor, theoretically. get tokens to buy gear of your choice from normal raids. get items to upgrade any piece you want in heroic raids, or something
02:13.12janewould that just make it too easy to get gear?
02:13.55Jammerwell you could balance it out, how many tokens you need etc
02:13.57janeso its either take forever to get valor to buy gear, or raid and get the same gear faster, and then heroic raids to upgrade any piece
02:14.13Amarandeehh, there will always be people QQing that it's too easy to get gear whenever you make gear accessible
02:14.30Amarandethis is because there are some WoW players who feel that if you can have a life and raid, the content is too easy/casual
02:14.48janekinda like the way it works right now, but you can buy tier with valor. that pisses me off so much right now just constantly losing on the same tier to jackasses, or running with friends -_-
02:15.13Amarandehmmm, something that occurred to me meanwhile about MoP
02:15.16Amarandewith the shared cross-realm zones
02:15.22Jammerjane: I guess in current system it's easier to catch up if you miss say 3 weeks at start
02:15.24Amarandehow is the stranglethorn extravaganza going to work with that?
02:15.45Amarandeor is stranglethorn going to be specifically exempted from the xrealm zones system because it would cause issues with the Extravaganza?
02:15.49janehow is it easier?
02:16.00Jammerjane: cause people already got gear and won't roll against you
02:16.06janeohhh
02:16.11Jammerbut if you need to raid 3 weeks to get the gear you'll always be behind those 3 weeks
02:16.33Amarandeyeah, if you have points with any kind of cap, you're going to run into that
02:16.40Amarandethat's what one of the biggest problems with PvP is actually
02:16.56Jammerone solution could be that your weekly point cap moves to next week
02:16.58Amarandeyou literally can't catch up on gear, because the points you need to buy it with are weekly capped
02:17.22janehmmmm
02:17.26janeyeah a moving cap would work
02:17.35Jammerbut then anyone joining after missing 8 weeks could gear up fully in 1 week... not sure if that's good either? :p
02:17.39Amarandeso the people who play 18 hours a day in the first week in order to go for realm first level cap etc. get to stay ahead for the entire year or two the expansion lasts
02:17.45janewell if they end up playing that much...
02:17.59AmarandeJammer: does it matter? especially in PvE
02:18.44JammerAmarande: probably not to the other raiders but the one gearing up won't have much to do after gearing up so quick
02:19.40Jammerin the end the game is kinda about gearing up and having fun while doing it :p
02:20.03Stormscapehttp://images.4chan.org/g/src/1341281726304.jpg
02:20.14janeJammer: so how would it be bad if someone missing out on 8 weeks geared up by playing the game like crazy the week they come back?
02:20.15JammerStormscape: LOL
02:20.58Jammerjane: fully geared, nothing to do anymore -> quit the game again :P
02:21.12janeyeah but it doesnt matter if they played 8 weeks or 1 week
02:21.28Amarandejane: except to blizzard
02:21.35Amarandeif you have to play 8 weeks, that's 30 bucks
02:21.39Jammerwell guess you wouldn't get points if you aren't subscribed
02:21.40janeif someone pays their sub 8 weeks, i doubt they care
02:21.43Amarandeif you play for a week and then quit they get 15 bucks off of you
02:22.00NoxyANNUAAAALL PAASSSSSSSSSS
02:22.08Jammerjane: guess you got a point there :p
02:22.16NoxyI hope they do the annual pass again
02:22.19Noxyfor something else
02:22.27JammerNoxy: +1
02:22.38Amarandealso, forget the whole "you agree to subscribe for a year" annual pass method
02:22.52Amarandejust make it like LOTRO's annual system where you just pay $100 and you get a year's subscription
02:22.55NoxyI bought it the day it was announced.
02:23.04janei would be ok with paying upfront
02:23.12janeif there were a bigger discount..
02:23.15Amarandeapparently, there's been a rash of people who've lost their Diablo III access due to various hiccups like credit cards expiring midstream and forgetting to be updated, etc.
02:23.30Amarandejust make you pay all at once at the beginning of the annual pass, that way there aren't all those cases to worry about
02:23.51Jammeryeah that was kinda weird how they handled it
02:23.58Jammershould have just taken 1yr worth of money right away
02:24.34janei just ended up paying for 1 year when i signed up
02:25.09NoxyIt worked well for a lot of people, some people cant afford to pay in big blocks.
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02:25.33dogelquestion
02:25.38dogeli cannot find cure poison on old.wowhead.com
02:25.43dogelis there a reason 4 dis
02:25.46NoxyI paid in two 6mo. blocks.
02:25.49NoxyI.. dont know.
02:25.52NoxyI'm not content :D
02:26.10dogellol
02:26.26dogelbut in all seriousness, i'd like to know where the page for it went
02:27.42Jammerdogel: what class?
02:27.50dogeldruid
02:28.01Jammerhttp://old.wowhead.com/spell=2782
02:28.51Jammerit only contains snapshot of the skills as they were after the cataclysm skill update
02:30.26fewyn^
02:30.40dogelanything from back in tbc
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15:30.05Freyja[The Wowhead Blog] Mists of Pandaria: Black Market Auction House - http://www.wowhead.com/news=204376/mists-of-pandaria-black-market-auction-house
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16:13.11JunkHeadhttp://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/4878358165
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17:32.06sirvbhey ppl
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18:17.45Sephirothhmm, which betarealm for us is pve?
18:23.44g0urrathe realm that says PvE?
18:25.57Sephirothlol, I'm in the character copy screen, and of the 4 listed, 2 say US. lol
18:26.14SephirothLost Isles or Gilneas?
18:28.38Lugburzno idea
18:28.44Lugburzisnt lost isles a really old server?
18:28.46Lugburzwith BRs?
18:29.05Sephirothmop beta. :P
18:29.12Lugburzoh
18:29.13Lugburzlol
18:29.20Lugburzthen definitely no idea, lucky bastard
18:33.52SephirothAww, :< /pat
18:34.13JunkHeadlost isles is pve
18:34.35Sephirothalright, thanks.
18:35.40Sephirothcopies his main to the beta.
18:41.02sirvbi could only get in 1 a few weeks ago
18:41.07sirvbnot sure if you really have a choice
18:41.54sirvbwoah
18:41.55sirvbbig news
18:42.06sirvbpatch 5.0.1 to hit the ptr soon
18:43.05sirvblooks like if your account can access the beta - no PTR for you!
18:43.22Sephiroth... lmfao
18:43.32Sephirothi have both a beta account and ptr account open now.
18:43.50sirvbif you have 1 account with access to both, it'll be limited when 5.0.1 comes out
18:44.00sirvbyou'll need separate accounts for access to PTR
18:44.06sirvbhttp://wow.joystiq.com/2012/07/03/patch-5-0-1-ptr-testing-to-begin-soon-beta-accounts-will-not-ha/
18:44.55Sephirothlol, my beta key created a wow2 account, ... my ptr is on wow1.
18:45.13sirvbthat may work
18:45.15sirvbjust reading the news
18:45.18sirvbnot sure how it'll play out
18:47.07sirvbbumps up my holiday prediction to now a late summer launch
18:49.06StormscapePTR wouldn't be that short.
18:49.11StormscapeProbably 2 months
18:49.17StormscapeMeaning October launch for Mists
18:50.45fewyni think maybe late sept early oct at this point
18:50.52fewynthey are doing the cinematic in august
18:51.51sirvbcinematic in aug which leads into the launch of 5.0.1 on live realms
18:51.59StormscapeWell the worst raid ever made has been out for 7 months now
18:52.10sirvb6 weeks of fun with 5.0.1 then 5.1 in early oct
18:52.10StormscapeThey probably don't want 12+ months of shitty raiding like end of Wrath
18:52.23StormscapeYou mean 5.0.3
18:52.32sirvbwhichever they name it
18:52.40StormscapeIt's never a .1
18:52.41Stormscapeever
18:52.52Stormscape5.1 would be the first content patch for the new expansion
18:52.54sirvb.0.3
18:52.55sirvbyes
18:53.16sirvb4.0.1 was on PTR for 4 weeks
18:53.29sirvbhold that
18:53.35sirvbthen they released 4.0.1a
18:53.51sirvbwhich was post-release
18:53.51sirvbnvm
18:53.53sirvb4 weeks
18:54.12sirvb3.0.2 was on ptr for about 6 weeks
18:55.19sirvbstormscape: you should do a kickstarter to get a new raid funded before 5.0.x comes out
18:55.21sirvb:)
18:55.28Stormscape...
18:57.57Lugburzlol
18:57.59Lugburzfuck kickstarter
18:59.48g0urrahttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304211804577504523702318662.html
18:59.52fewynwhat's wrong with kickstater?
18:59.56g0urraI see the whining morons with an overblown sense of self-entitlement crying about this. If China can get it free, why not MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE?!!!
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19:01.01sirvbi really dig kickstarter
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19:01.53sirvbg0urra: how they making money?
19:03.53sirvbanswer: micro payments on gear
19:04.06sirvbActivision will try to make money by selling items to help users play the game, such as enhancements for their weapons or extra gear.
19:04.51Stormscapeand that will be the day WoW dies.
19:17.20sirvbwhat will be?
19:17.33sirvbmicro payments in WoW? - doubt it'll ever happen
19:19.25Westwardfor the black market :)
19:19.41sirvbBMAH is just a gold sink
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19:24.09StormscapeBMAH /does/ have some stuff you can't other obtain
19:24.10Stormscapelike T3
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19:29.28sirvbtrue
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20:38.17Lugburzhow were mages in TBC?
20:38.28LugburzI was just thinking about classes then I don't remember anything about mages
20:42.07WardMages were a bit boring
20:42.12Wardpowerful in pvp as frost
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20:42.30Wardbut pve wise arcane was the only viable spec and it was a boring spamfest
20:45.56Lugburzah ok
20:45.58Lugburzyeah
20:46.04Lugburzfrost pvp was annoying
20:53.35StormscapeLugburz, I found a man that is the paragon of German efficiency
20:53.37StormscapePohl completed his turbo degree by dividing up all the simultaneous lectures with two friends and then swapping notes. At the same time, he completed an apprenticeship in a bank.
20:53.44StormscapeMarcel Pohl completed 60 examinations in 20 months
20:53.59StormscapeHis former university is suing him because he completed an 11 semester course in 3 semesters
20:54.14Lugburzgermans have too much time on their hands
20:54.31Lugburzthats crazy though
20:54.37StormscapeHe basically poop socked his way to a degree
20:54.39Stormscapein 2 years
20:55.04Lugburzyep
20:55.13Lugburzgetting to german uni is hard enough
21:09.11Gnarfozindeed
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