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| 04:35.31 | raspy | weeee |
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| 06:43.58 | doggle | how old is old.wowhead.com |
| 06:45.47 | Jammer | doggle: items seem to be end of wotlk |
| 06:45.53 | doggle | mucho gracias |
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| 07:52.49 | doggle | are prot pallies supposed to be shit with mana at level 40 |
| 07:53.06 | doggle | blademeld, if you're here ^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 07:53.28 | Djones_ | doggle, yes |
| 07:53.30 | doggle | ty |
| 07:54.00 | Djones_ | they struggle all thr way to 80 |
| 07:54.13 | Djones_ | do you have the consecrate talent? |
| 07:54.22 | doggle | im not playing the pally |
| 07:54.24 | doggle | my friend is |
| 07:54.28 | doggle | hes complaining about mana issues |
| 07:54.32 | doggle | also we stop at 70 |
| 07:54.37 | Djones_ | Tell him to stop using consecrate |
| 07:54.59 | doggle | but we need aoe threat |
| 07:55.13 | Djones_ | You cannot afford to use consecrate |
| 07:55.25 | Djones_ | you'll generate more aoe threat by being able to spam Hammer of the righteous |
| 07:56.15 | doggle | gracias amigo |
| 07:56.25 | Djones_ | ofc |
| 07:59.22 | doggle | Djones_, |
| 07:59.29 | doggle | he also asks if he should use holy shield |
| 07:59.38 | doggle | "it sounds really inefficient to spam in mobs" |
| 07:59.40 | Djones_ | ONLY IF HE NEEDS IT |
| 07:59.45 | doggle | okie |
| 08:00.00 | Djones_ | Herp caps |
| 08:00.05 | doggle | gracias |
| 08:00.24 | Djones_ | Don't use holy shield whilst levelling generally |
| 08:00.34 | Djones_ | It's nice, but you don't have neough block amount to make it particularly good anyways |
| 08:01.25 | Djones_ | got a link to his talent build? |
| 08:01.41 | doggle | sec |
| 08:01.42 | doggle | healinz |
| 08:04.19 | Djones_ | Easy mode : just give me name and server. |
| 08:05.32 | doggle | not entirely possible |
| 08:05.47 | Djones_ | Nod |
| 08:05.53 | Djones_ | Understood |
| 08:06.36 | Djones_ | In which case, make sure he uses judgement on cooldown |
| 08:06.43 | doggle | X 5/ X X 5/ 1 3 3 5/ X X X/ 2 1 X / 2 3/ X 1 X |
| 08:06.51 | doggle | prot tier |
| 08:06.56 | doggle | tier 1 talents -> |
| 08:08.44 | Djones_ | Nod |
| 08:08.50 | Djones_ | revised statements then based on new information |
| 08:08.53 | Djones_ | Holy shield on cooldown |
| 08:09.03 | Djones_ | Judgement on cooldown |
| 08:09.32 | jane | h madness was a lot easier than expected |
| 08:09.38 | doggle | so spam shield |
| 08:13.32 | Djones_ | Aye |
| 08:22.57 | raspy | weeee |
| 08:23.20 | jane | weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 08:23.26 | raspy | still would love to do a normal ds but ill never get too unless i stop falling asleep trying to watch the youtube vids |
| 08:23.41 | jane | vids on what? |
| 08:23.49 | raspy | any of the ds fights pretty much |
| 08:23.55 | raspy | shit bores the hell outta me |
| 08:23.58 | jane | have you done them on lfr? |
| 08:24.05 | raspy | many times |
| 08:24.11 | jane | normal is almost the same, don't bother |
| 08:24.27 | raspy | still some kinda upgrade for me |
| 08:24.39 | raspy | im topped out on rf stuff on my mage |
| 08:25.35 | raspy | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/blackrock/Raspyoftow/advanced thats my lil mage |
| 08:26.10 | jane | that's a lot of gear |
| 08:26.10 | raspy | its kinda funny the guild im in pretty much farms heroic ds but ihavent been able to get them to take me on a run yet |
| 08:26.43 | jane | aww why not :( |
| 08:26.51 | jane | im still in shock over our madness kill |
| 08:26.54 | raspy | honestly not sure i know id do ok |
| 08:27.50 | jane | we just did h madness with like <20 attempts, and on the kill we had a super duper dps die on the 2nd platform. and we got it by mage iceblock/shaman ankh with dots ticking one second past enrage |
| 08:27.51 | jane | lol |
| 08:27.56 | jane | anything is possible now XD |
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| 19:03.04 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] Mists of Pandaria Trailer Debuting at gamescom 2012 - http://www.wowhead.com/news=204420/mists-of-pandaria-trailer-debuting-at-gamescom-2012 |
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| 19:31.16 | JunkHead | http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1153980-Heirloom-Legs-Finaly-! |
| 19:32.51 | JunkHead | http://mop.wowhead.com/achievement=6626 |
| 19:32.53 | JunkHead | this also |
| 19:54.36 | Jammer | yet another piece to own with in low level pvp :p |
| 20:01.35 | JunkHead | I'm happy, since I like collecting heirloom gear. |
| 20:01.53 | JunkHead | My mage got the scythe off of lord ahune today too. |
| 20:01.58 | JunkHead | and yesterday i got the enchant. |
| 20:02.04 | JunkHead | still no pet though. |
| 20:02.21 | Jammer | I assume the heirloom legs will just money like all other guild heirlooms |
| 20:02.31 | JunkHead | From the short video I saw... |
| 20:02.32 | Jammer | *cost money |
| 20:02.32 | JunkHead | Yeah |
| 20:02.34 | JunkHead | like.. |
| 20:02.45 | JunkHead | you get the guild achievement, and then go to the guild vendor |
| 20:03.03 | JunkHead | but from the video i saw, guy was a hunter, and it looked like only one pair of leggings. |
| 20:03.07 | JunkHead | probably mail. |
| 20:03.22 | JunkHead | so, you might be limited to buying YOUR CLASS's armor type |
| 20:03.31 | JunkHead | Not sure though. |
| 20:03.34 | Jammer | they got some gear filtering on vendors now I think |
| 20:03.52 | Jammer | you should be able to purchase them all I'd think |
| 20:04.08 | JunkHead | Probably. the guy in the video did say he couldn't "defilter hunter only" |
| 20:04.31 | Jammer | yeah not sure if the show all is implemented yet |
| 20:04.41 | Jammer | coming soon(tm) |
| 20:04.50 | JunkHead | im not ina guild on beta |
| 20:04.53 | JunkHead | so i cant check. |
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| 20:40.20 | Amarande | so, have they figured out yet how low a population in a zone will trigger cross-realm guests? |
| 20:40.43 | Amarande | like, is it going to be "every zone should at least have a few folks in it" or more like "we want you to have to wait for respawns regularly like when BC/WotLK/etc. were new?" |
| 20:50.53 | raspy | weeee |
| 20:53.00 | JunkHead | I havent really paid much attention to the cross realm zones |
| 20:54.10 | JunkHead | I'm doing Kara mount runs.:\ |
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| 20:57.28 | Jammer | Amarande: I assume the low level zones not gonna be that popular that you'd have to really wait for respawns even if they combined all realms :-) |
| 20:58.49 | Amarande | Jammer: I'm wondering more if the mostly strict quest circuit pattern I tend to follow to optimise leveling is going to become a thing of the past with MoP because the xrealm zones will make it a regular thing for the mobs you need to be down when you would be passing through, due to high zone populations |
| 20:59.02 | Amarande | It's a really good thing that escort quests give you your own copy of the NPC now. :) |
| 20:59.25 | Amarande | at least, except for Eversong/Ghostlands/*myst Islands and 60-80 zones |
| 21:01.14 | Jammer | we'll see how that works out in the end, but seems likely they'll be trying to increase zone population quite drastically |
| 21:01.49 | Jammer | is quite stupid design for quest npcs be something you have to wait for to respawn |
| 21:06.39 | JunkHead | this mount will probably never drop for me.:( |
| 21:06.54 | JunkHead | But dammit i'm gonan do this every week until mop come sout. |
| 21:06.56 | JunkHead | And after! |
| 21:06.59 | JunkHead | grr! |
| 21:14.13 | Jammer | JunkHead: grind it with more characters! |
| 21:16.42 | JunkHead | I am. |
| 21:17.17 | JunkHead | I think I'm on my 6th character so far. |
| 21:21.11 | Jammer | 50% chance to get it in 70 runs |
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| 21:24.04 | Jammer | having drops guaranteed at some point would be nice |
| 21:24.14 | JunkHead | Yeah it would. |
| 21:24.27 | Jammer | like say drop chance is 1% then if you do 100 runs WITHOUT getting the drop you would then get it |
| 21:24.55 | JunkHead | well, the mount is supposed to be 1% according to wowhead. |
| 21:25.07 | JunkHead | so it's not the worst droprate |
| 21:25.12 | Jammer | nope |
| 21:25.21 | Jammer | think most mounts are probably around that |
| 21:26.04 | Jammer | but 100 run is only 63.4% probability to get it |
| 21:26.04 | JunkHead | hahaha |
| 21:26.08 | Jammer | did you get it? :P |
| 21:26.13 | JunkHead | i got the "too many instances recently" error |
| 21:26.24 | Jammer | yeah :( |
| 21:26.31 | JunkHead | i forgot about that.:P |
| 21:26.40 | JunkHead | But.. 6 runs so far this week. |
| 21:26.46 | jane | some mounts are supposed to be more than 1% but they feel so rare.. |
| 21:26.48 | JunkHead | Not sure how many more I can do. |
| 21:26.59 | jane | my madness kill last night dropped 3 mounts though |
| 21:27.05 | Jammer | what |
| 21:27.08 | jane | and ofc the newest raiders won them -_- |
| 21:27.17 | JunkHead | I can't do those types of mounts. |
| 21:27.18 | jane | 1x heroic mode guaranteed drop and 2 of the blazing drake |
| 21:27.23 | JunkHead | I just try for the older ones. |
| 21:27.26 | Jammer | how can it drop 2x blazing |
| 21:27.32 | jane | i don't know, but we got two blazing last night |
| 21:27.41 | Jammer | 25m? |
| 21:27.49 | jane | i think its like the second time ever ive seen it on 25, i've also seeen it 2x in 10m |
| 21:28.02 | Jammer | oh you have seen it in 10m also? |
| 21:28.05 | Jammer | well that's just weird |
| 21:28.08 | jane | 1 individually, not 2 drop at the same time in 10 man |
| 21:28.19 | Jammer | ah |
| 21:28.47 | Jammer | maybe 25m has like 2 separate drop chances for it |
| 21:28.54 | Jammer | to make up for the fact it's more people |
| 21:29.13 | jane | hmm if so, ive never seen it drop more often |
| 21:30.34 | jane | some comments seem to suggest the drop rate in heroic for blazing is higher |
| 21:30.41 | Jammer | lol how can Life-Binder's handmaiden be only 47% drop chance in wowhead |
| 21:30.53 | Jammer | isn't it guaranteed for heroic? |
| 21:31.09 | jane | i thought so |
| 21:32.07 | jane | i was wondering where you saw 47%..hah i see 1.9% on the mount page |
| 21:32.17 | jane | probably includes regular kills |
| 21:32.44 | Jammer | http://www.wowhead.com/npc=56173#drops:mode=heroic25 |
| 21:32.58 | Amarande | Jammer: yeah, it's pretty surprising with exponentialities |
| 21:33.00 | jane | yeah i just saw that |
| 21:33.07 | jane | and blazing has a higher drop rate on heroic |
| 21:33.14 | Amarande | like apparently, the chance of a given play 3 lotto number not coming out at all in ten years is actually greater than 1% |
| 21:33.37 | jane | is blade of the unmaker actually good for anyone? |
| 21:33.42 | Jammer | no :P |
| 21:33.52 | jane | i was so sad we de'd a heroic madness weapon |
| 21:33.57 | Amarande | Blade of the Unmaker sounds like something out of Planescape AD&D heh |
| 21:35.51 | jane | hmmm. life-binder's handmaiden is supposed to drop 2x in heroic 25. i could have sworn we saw two blazing and only one handmaiden |
| 21:37.31 | jane | stupid guild activity doesn't show mounts |
| 21:37.57 | Jammer | ask in guild which mounts dropped :p |
| 21:38.22 | jane | well i remember who got them, one person has handmaiden, one person has blazing, and the last person didn't learn the mount they got |
| 21:38.24 | jane | sigh :P |
| 21:38.28 | jane | ill figure it out later |
| 21:38.59 | jane | i've never seen experiment 12b |
| 21:39.24 | jane | actually wait, maybe on an alt in my old guild's alt ds runs. the super ugly color one |
| 21:42.40 | Amarande | speaking of mounts, Icewolf26's comment on the winged guardian cracks me up |
| 21:42.43 | Amarande | "I hope the next mount you can buy is a flying Kodo :<" ... |
| 21:42.51 | Amarande | tries to wrap my mind around the idea of a flying kodo |
| 21:43.55 | Jammer | one friend got the Ragnaros and alysrazor on one alt, 12b on another alt ... he'll be so happy with account bound mounts |
| 21:47.37 | Noxy | I had a good birthday. :D both mounts dropped in our guild raid, last week. |
| 21:48.18 | Noxy | I won one, was given the other |
| 21:48.26 | Amarande | It's still a happy memory to think of the time my warlock got the mount on her first Rivendare kill |
| 21:48.35 | Amarande | With the only thing to mar the occasion being the fact that she's Horde |
| 21:49.47 | jane | Jammer: as much as i love my guild's unofficial gm, she is SUCH a mount whore and has the luckiest rolls on mounts that I've ever seen. people were just assuming she was gonna win handmaiden last night |
| 21:50.09 | jane | she got blazing on one alt i think, next day in fl she got the only alys mount i've seen drop |
| 21:51.32 | Amarande | Of course, since cata it will now be easier than ever to run dead strath over and over and over :) |
| 21:52.05 | jane | that mount never drops :P |
| 21:52.46 | Jammer | wonder if anyone ever passes the raid mounts unless they already have one |
| 21:52.56 | Jammer | most of them quite ugly and people will never use them but yet everyone want them :p |
| 21:53.21 | Noxy | Why unofficial? |
| 21:53.24 | Noxy | Girls can be GMs too. |
| 21:53.26 | Noxy | pouts |
| 21:53.56 | jane | Noxy: the actual gm is a friend she's played with for years that she made gm |
| 21:54.05 | jane | she's like, the hand behind the gm :p |
| 21:54.07 | jane | and she may as well be |
| 21:54.10 | jane | but she doesn't want to |
| 21:55.46 | Amarande | yeah it seems like the pinnacle of mount design was the netherdrakes |
| 21:56.06 | jane | now that i think about it, this guild is pretty loaded with women |
| 21:56.06 | Noxy | Oic. |
| 21:56.09 | Amarande | I got a few Lich King mounts on my DK and warlock and went back to the netherdrakes |
| 21:56.13 | Noxy | So is mine. :D |
| 21:56.42 | Noxy | I'm a lady, and I've always been the GM, had two female officers most of the time |
| 21:56.54 | Noxy | about half my main raiders are ladies. |
| 21:57.06 | jane | the gm-in-name guy got really annoyed that i put in my app i was looking for no bullshit and zero tolerance to discrimination guilds and thought i was uptight..urg |
| 21:57.29 | jane | but she understood me |
| 21:57.31 | jane | weee |
| 21:57.37 | Noxy | I've had one male officer since the start, recently made my husband an officer so he could manage our bank with his OCD-ness. |
| 21:58.16 | Noxy | Instead of Halcyon, a guild name suggestion I got while we were forming it, was "We have Vaginas!" |
| 21:58.30 | jane | not sure why it takes special consideration to make sure a raiding environment isn't full of bullshit though |
| 21:58.47 | Noxy | It doesnt take much to rub people the wrong way. |
| 21:58.54 | Amarande | I think the last guild name I suggested to someone forming a new one was "Galileo Figaro." Not sure if he used it, but it sounded magnifico. |
| 21:58.56 | Noxy | It takes more care to make sure that friction doesnt occur. |
| 21:59.06 | Noxy | Its more to do with the types of people and personalities. |
| 21:59.12 | jane | yeah but people go out of their way to make toxic environments sometimes |
| 21:59.14 | Amarande | Pretty much, also, look for anything Dave Barry suggests might be a good name for a rock band, they probably work for guilds too |
| 21:59.28 | Noxy | And those are the people you must not tolerate. |
| 21:59.31 | jane | like the latest new raiders love to say rape and nigger and im just like...stop it |
| 21:59.39 | jane | that's dumb, gay isn't an insult |
| 21:59.46 | jane | didn't heal them, moved out of their group |
| 21:59.48 | hylje | oh look internet shock humor |
| 21:59.54 | Noxy | Rofl. |
| 22:00.07 | Noxy | Whereas my guildies are kind of the opposite I guess? We're all very sick minded. |
| 22:00.11 | Amarande | jane, would they bring that lame Anal [link] fad into group/raid chat too? |
| 22:00.26 | jane | they would if it weren't for the fact that they'll be put on ignore by officers |
| 22:00.28 | Noxy | Amarande: My guildies started that in trade, once. |
| 22:00.34 | Amarande | I really don't know why that fad hasn't died |
| 22:00.42 | jane | im fine with sick humor, but im just so tired of people using stupid words |
| 22:00.50 | hylje | Amarande: because trade chat gets worked up on it every time |
| 22:00.57 | Amarande | When I was on my way thru UC on my death knight the other night in order to head to Org to visit the justice points vendor, it was going on |
| 22:01.12 | Amarande | I remember seeing it in Ysera Alliance trade chat last night, too, when I was stopping by Exodar for a moment |
| 22:01.20 | hylje | some master trolls repeat the same troll opening as they leave for raiding, only to return to the same argument later |
| 22:01.34 | jane | you're so boring if the worst insult you can come up with is "you're gay"... oh why yes i am. thanks for describing me? you're male. you're an idiot. you're welcome. |
| 22:02.27 | Amarande | as a ponderable, was that as frequent with raiders during Lich King? |
| 22:02.59 | Amarande | I've only joined friendly guilds, so I don't know really much about the bad ones |
| 22:03.20 | Amarande | basically, pondering if that "designed for antisocial" factor I thought of the other day here might in fact be true |
| 22:03.31 | jane | im sure some guilds don't care. the ones i've been in for the most part have been good |
| 22:03.34 | Amarande | i.e., if the more difficult the raid content, the more likely you are to run into such people |
| 22:03.38 | jane | just these new raiders driving me up a wall |
| 22:04.03 | Amarande | (because the more difficult the content, the more time must be dedicated to learning it, therefore unfortunately also tending to filter out the mature people more than otherwise ...) |
| 22:04.44 | jane | I don't know, I like this guild otherwise cause half the regulars have raided with each other for years |
| 22:04.46 | jane | they're awesome |
| 22:05.00 | jane | they have sick senses of humor and i love them |
| 22:05.41 | jane | mature doesn't have to mean boring |
| 22:06.22 | Amarande | I know, but you said people were abusing the R and N words |
| 22:06.24 | jane | but yeah the new guys. keep on saying shit like "nigger i'm gonna fuck u up" in your macro, and wonder why your designated healer for h zon'ozz or hagara isn't healing you. :d |
| 22:06.31 | Amarande | which usually is a prima facie sign of immaturity |
| 22:06.36 | jane | yeah, the new ones |
| 22:06.42 | jane | the ones that nobody likes. im not sure why they're still raiding with us |
| 22:07.11 | Amarande | granted, when I've played a healer, I might not even notice a remark like that during combat |
| 22:07.21 | jane | i was gone from wow for ONE WEEK. the healer that subbed in for me was just like "these new guys are awful" |
| 22:07.23 | Amarande | since I tend to very single-mindedly focus on the green bars (and making sure I didn't walk into fire) |
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| 22:07.47 | jane | first day raiding with them, dumb macros, keep saying they're gonna rape bosses, keep standing in stupid shit, keep spamming stuff in party chat nobody wants to read.. |
| 22:07.53 | Amarande | although, I do tend to let some types of player die, usually because they're people who won't stop standing in fire |
| 22:07.55 | jane | lol you can't zone out like that :p |
| 22:08.18 | Amarande | and then after battle I notice that they complained about the lack of heals :P |
| 22:08.48 | jane | well if it helps. the biggest reason why they die is cause they're not fucking paying attention |
| 22:08.55 | Amarande | like, maybe if you didn't insist on standing in front of every bloody flaming drake as a DPS DK :P |
| 22:09.02 | jane | its not my problem if you're assigned to the yellow marker for zonozz adds, and you're ACROSS THE ENTIRE ROOM instead |
| 22:09.11 | Sephiroth | great |
| 22:09.13 | jane | cause you don't fucking know how to read what the GM says |
| 22:09.13 | Amarande | which is just double dumb, one, fire bad, two, being in front of mobs as melee DPS = bad |
| 22:09.16 | Sephiroth | zam's login form is busted. |
| 22:09.18 | jane | about where to stand and what to kill |
| 22:09.48 | Amarande | I deleted my healing priest recently though |
| 22:09.59 | jane | and when you are, frankly, my main concerns are 1. keeping myself alive, 2. making sure other healers have mana, and 3. making sure dps that actually listen stay alive |
| 22:10.06 | Amarande | decided to focus on a smaller set of characters atm, and hadn't played the healer much at all in recent years (she actually had only reached 71) |
| 22:10.15 | jane | priest is sooo fun though |
| 22:10.30 | Amarande | yeah, sometimes I even managed to keep that terribad DK alive in those UK runs |
| 22:10.45 | jane | for the last week my priest keeps getting dumped into the holiday boss with groups that wiped for lack of heals |
| 22:10.50 | Amarande | which, however, is not because he was playing his role acceptably, but simply because disc is just ludicrously overpowered at the levels that you do UK at |
| 22:10.57 | jane | smite heals = #1 or 2 on dps and everyone is alive at the end XD |
| 22:11.21 | jane | disc is crazy |
| 22:11.32 | jane | i leveled my priest in cata with smite spec. it was great until like 82 |
| 22:11.48 | jane | but that was cause disc was pretty broken in the beginning and mana/healing was a problem overall |
| 22:12.04 | Amarande | mostly, though, except for my death knight who was my pride and joy during late LK, I tend to play RDPS |
| 22:12.38 | JunkHead | Back to Kara mount farming! |
| 22:12.44 | JunkHead | 7 characters so far |
| 22:12.50 | Amarande | I find the more laid-back demands of RDPS to tend to be less stressful and more fun |
| 22:13.05 | Amarande | follow the right target, watch your omen, don't stand in fire, interrupt/CC if it's a fight where you need to, and that's about that |
| 22:13.08 | jane | dps is not laid back lol |
| 22:13.34 | jane | tanking is about as laid back as it gets |
| 22:13.51 | jane | but it's not fun to me |
| 22:14.04 | JunkHead | I'd say... tanking is the most fun. |
| 22:14.10 | JunkHead | But it's not always the easiest. |
| 22:14.15 | JunkHead | Depends on the fight of course. |
| 22:14.17 | Amarande | yeah, like when you get bads for DPS, like ranged that don't pay attention and pull the wrong mob |
| 22:14.22 | jane | healing is a nice compromise in the middle for me, i still have meters and stuff to think about, but as long as people don't die to my mistake it's all good |
| 22:14.25 | Amarande | and depending on your class and the current patch, it gets highly stressful |
| 22:14.42 | Amarande | e.g., Halls of Stone heroic back in 3.x on my death knight, when I tried tanking |
| 22:14.51 | Amarande | I couldn't really do a damn thing when the ranged pulled the wrong mob, due to resource starvation |
| 22:15.00 | JunkHead | DK tankign is something i cant do |
| 22:15.08 | Amarande | see, as tank, the standard thing to do is to lay down DnD and spread your diseases among the targets as well |
| 22:15.10 | jane | it's not easy if the fight mechanics are hard, but most of the difficulty is in bad players, not the actual act of tanking |
| 22:15.28 | Amarande | however, back in 3.x when DnD cost one of every rune type, after that, you had ALL your runes on cooldown for several seconds |
| 22:15.47 | Amarande | and if the ranged pulled something you didn't intend to add to the pull, you didn't really have much of any way to grab them |
| 22:16.13 | jane | well that's their problem XD |
| 22:16.50 | Amarande | well, it's my problem when the mob rips through too much of the group or gets the healer and then I die and have to pay a repair bill :P |
| 22:17.05 | Amarande | at least they made cloth/mail/leather repair bills on a par with plate in LK |
| 22:17.18 | jane | well it becomes your problem, but see? the difficulty is someone doing the wrong thing :p |
| 22:17.21 | Amarande | back in BC it was "the tank gets screwed, all the time" |
| 22:17.43 | jane | anyone remember halls of reflection? jesus christ |
| 22:17.55 | Amarande | since if the healer died because someone was bad, you died, and everyone else paid a lower repair bill than you did (unless you were a bear) since they were wearing flimsy cloth or leather or mail while your plate cost way more to repair |
| 22:17.57 | jane | that place was just amazing for discovering bad players |
| 22:18.15 | Amarande | I remember reading of people quitting playing a character altogether for lengthy periods due to plate repair bills in the day |
| 22:18.33 | Amarande | yeah, I remember HoR |
| 22:18.54 | Amarande | I ran it quite a lot, actually. Sometimes I was called the bad, although I'm not sure how much was me and how much was the tanking |
| 22:19.12 | Amarande | my worst habit tended to be to use SoC overzealously on my warlock during the waves and catching aggro because the tank couldn't keep up |
| 22:19.25 | Amarande | hm |
| 22:19.26 | jane | i eventually discovered the hallway strat (as opposed to the corner strat) and that made such a difference when tanks agreed to it |
| 22:19.33 | Amarande | actually that might be something I should have expected from the loot |
| 22:19.39 | Amarande | IIRC, HoR had a lot of tank loot in it? |
| 22:20.02 | jane | don't remember |
| 22:20.05 | Amarande | which should have been a tip-off that the tank might be a little less geared than the rest, if they need the loot from it |
| 22:20.14 | jane | it was never a matter of gear |
| 22:20.20 | jane | just so often dumb tanks |
| 22:20.25 | Amarande | and generally, people hated to do HoR and would bail on it at Oculus rates if they ended up in it randomly and didn't need anything from there |
| 22:20.39 | jane | like i remember my then-guild leader was telling me to stop healing him when waves came out |
| 22:20.42 | Amarande | which was a real pain on my warlock at one point |
| 22:20.52 | Amarande | In order to upgrade one particular slot at the time, the best choice was REGULAR HoR |
| 22:21.00 | jane | like okay, you get two shot by mobs. you're telling me not to heal until you say so? really? |
| 22:21.12 | Amarande | I think the queue for that was usually about an hour as DPS |
| 22:21.21 | Amarande | I actually was able to bust a couple of farming bots while waiting for that to pop |
| 22:21.25 | jane | also you have no abilities to deal with the fact that i had a single rejuv left over on you between pulls? i can't wipe my hots off you |
| 22:21.42 | jane | lol HoR was horrible. oculus was horrible. |
| 22:21.54 | jane | nowadays it's za/zg that everyone seems to bail on, even though the bosses are nerfed and you don't ahve to do all of them |
| 22:21.54 | raspy | i liked hor |
| 22:22.01 | jane | its good if you had a good group |
| 22:22.07 | jane | but the same is true of all those dungeons |
| 22:22.14 | Amarande | pretty easy to put in a very definite bot report of something around 99.999% confidence when you've had 40+ minutes of nothing but circling 'round Sholazar farming saronite and titanium (my lock is a JC/miner) waiting for the damned queue |
| 22:22.31 | raspy | my priest is that |
| 22:22.50 | raspy | but i need to figure out a good rotation on him |
| 22:23.15 | Amarande | jane: I expect at this point in the expansion ZA and ZG being a little higher tier is bad for their popularity |
| 22:23.21 | Amarande | everyone has at least T12 gear from justice points now |
| 22:23.27 | jane | oh you know what else is bad? grim batol |
| 22:23.35 | raspy | i love that place |
| 22:23.42 | Amarande | so the only reason anyone runs any of the heroics is for justice and valor and people want easy ones they can finish fast |
| 22:23.42 | jane | i love that place too, but so many groups fail |
| 22:23.55 | jane | Amarande: you can get za/zg queueing for dungeons before you can queue for HoT heroics or LFR |
| 22:23.59 | raspy | i leroyed my self in there about an hour ago |
| 22:24.11 | Amarande | jane: yeah, but you can also at that point queue for the original cata heroics |
| 22:24.22 | Amarande | which by this point go by in minus time with how geared people are |
| 22:24.23 | jane | im pretty sure za/zg are included in the "original" group |
| 22:24.28 | jane | za/zg is no longer its own category |
| 22:24.34 | Amarande | I mean the ones that were around in 4.0 |
| 22:24.45 | jane | right |
| 22:24.46 | Amarande | the 346 blue loot ones |
| 22:24.49 | jane | i know |
| 22:25.00 | jane | but if you look at dungeon finder, za/zg is included in that group |
| 22:25.06 | jane | its original+zandalari, then HoT |
| 22:25.12 | raspy | finally battle.net updated my priest |
| 22:25.41 | jane | not sure why people hate them so much. it's just mechanics. |
| 22:25.48 | jane | you get slightly better gear and chances at mounts |
| 22:26.12 | jane | like every ZA run i've done since HoTs came out was a bear run |
| 22:26.39 | JunkHead | spammin attumen is boring as shit. |
| 22:26.53 | Amarande | however, fixation on the easiest dungeons is a traditional MMO bugaboo |
| 22:27.03 | Amarande | like in LOTRO it's Grand Stair, Grand Stair and more bloody Grand Stair |
| 22:27.04 | jane | you'd think grim batol is easy though |
| 22:27.06 | jane | but SO MUCH FAIL |
| 22:27.27 | JunkHead | GB was one I liked. |
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| 22:27.37 | JunkHead | But when i tanked it, I had very little patience. |
| 22:27.46 | JunkHead | I'd skip anything I could because I knew peopel would fuck up |
| 22:27.55 | Amarande | granted, there's also the matter that LOTRO dungeons were pretty mean |
| 22:28.11 | jane | people don't know what the malignant trogg does, stand right on add spawn, ignore the add on the last boss.. |
| 22:29.30 | Amarande | like in LOTRO six-mans or even three-mans would have encounters with mechanics that WoW wouldn't usually toss at you except in tougher dungeons (usually in vanilla or BC) or even raids |
| 22:29.50 | Amarande | GS was a very straightforward tank and spank 6-man where even the challenge mode was laughable |
| 22:29.50 | jane | the boss with valiona? i remember two manning that with the tank on my warlock when the healer and two dps just died to adds and my dots weren't killing adds in time |
| 22:30.11 | jane | but its not my fault the adds are only up for a couple seconds before they hit the target that was standing like 10 yards from spawn |
| 22:30.13 | jane | lol |
| 22:30.20 | Amarande | thus, it seemed all everyone ever did was GS |
| 22:30.39 | Amarande | (probably didn't help that you get GS as part of the Moria expansion, while so many of the other dungeons in the game had to be paid for if you were not a subscriber) |
| 22:31.05 | jane | was LOTRO worth playing? it's so hard for me to get into most mmos |
| 22:31.10 | jane | doesn't help they're usually windows only too |
| 22:31.38 | fewyn | Noxy plays lotro |
| 22:31.47 | fewyn | i think she only does for the ponies tho |
| 22:31.52 | jane | ponies! |
| 22:32.25 | Amarande | FOR PONY? |
| 22:32.31 | fewyn | PONIES |
| 22:32.41 | Amarande | jane: I used to play LOTRO, spent many months on it |
| 22:33.03 | Amarande | the main thing is that there's an unpleasant current now flowing towards the pay to win end of the spectrum |
| 22:33.11 | jane | ah ick |
| 22:33.20 | Amarande | especially due to the legendary item upgrade crystals that are being pushed on the store, and the fact that another such set are being got ready for Rohan |
| 22:33.39 | Amarande | the world and gameplay were quite fun though. |
| 22:34.44 | jane | FREE BIRTH CONTROL!!! |
| 22:34.46 | jane | oops |
| 22:35.21 | jane | I'm really not a fan of pay to win kinda games. |
| 22:35.36 | JunkHead | ok. |
| 22:35.40 | JunkHead | now time for the warlock. |
| 22:35.43 | JunkHead | i bet i die. |
| 22:36.49 | JunkHead | One day I'm gonna learn to play this damn lock |
| 22:36.52 | JunkHead | maybe |
| 22:36.57 | JunkHead | probably not.:\ |
| 22:39.08 | jane | warlock is hard -_- |
| 22:39.34 | JunkHead | i just hate it |
| 22:39.42 | JunkHead | have never liked it.:\ |
| 22:42.05 | Amarande | Aff, Demo, or Destro? |
| 22:42.16 | Amarande | Of which, I find I always end up coming back to aff |
| 22:42.49 | JunkHead | destro |
| 22:42.52 | JunkHead | dont even have dual spec |
| 22:42.53 | jane | my lock is aff/demo |
| 22:42.59 | JunkHead | shows how much i cared.:P |
| 22:43.24 | jane | I'm finding I'm getting a lot more dps out of demo though, so I'm trying to stick with that |
| 22:44.11 | JunkHead | I didn't die yet! |
| 22:45.44 | BlackNet | well i did it finally. |
| 22:45.58 | BlackNet | i bought me a 100 year old drill press today. being shiped to me tomorrow. |
| 22:46.10 | BlackNet | it's a 1920's era camelback junior |
| 22:46.29 | JunkHead | hahaha |
| 22:46.33 | JunkHead | almost died but i killed him |
| 22:46.43 | jane | grats |
| 22:46.48 | JunkHead | no mount yet though |
| 22:48.00 | BlackNet | http://wetlands.simplyaquatics.com/v/Tools/camelback-drillpress/camelback1.JPG.html this. |
| 22:49.37 | JunkHead | I think this might be my last attempt. |
| 22:49.51 | BlackNet | ewhat are you doing? |
| 22:50.02 | JunkHead | killing the first boss in kara to try to get the mount |
| 22:50.15 | BlackNet | oh |
| 22:50.17 | BlackNet | what level? |
| 22:50.24 | JunkHead | so far, 85's |
| 22:50.29 | JunkHead | i might try my 80 mage too |
| 22:50.35 | Amarande | I liked demo when I was leveling up during Lich King, especially with some of the harder areas like northern Grizzly Hills where trolls seem to swarm you like there's no tomorrow and Meta is really helpful |
| 22:50.38 | BlackNet | they change kara or something? |
| 22:50.43 | Amarande | as for destro and aff, I've always been more fond of aff |
| 22:50.44 | JunkHead | nope. |
| 22:50.51 | JunkHead | doing multiple characters 1 at a time |
| 22:51.06 | JunkHead | my 80 mage has crap gear |
| 22:51.08 | JunkHead | might die |
| 22:51.12 | Jammer | BlackNet: he just wants the mount badly :P |
| 22:51.17 | BlackNet | you should be able to easily kill that boss |
| 22:51.25 | JunkHead | i can kill it just fine. |
| 22:51.28 | BlackNet | Jammer so did i before i left teh game |
| 22:51.31 | JunkHead | just not sure i wanna do it on the mage |
| 22:51.40 | JunkHead | i think 11 times in one week is enough.:P |
| 22:52.07 | Jammer | JunkHead: don't statistically improve your odds that much |
| 22:52.15 | JunkHead | it doesnt improve them at all |
| 22:52.39 | Jammer | ofc it does if you do it with one more char :p |
| 22:52.40 | Amarande | 11 kara runs in a week |
| 22:52.45 | Amarande | JunkHead, I think you're gonna have to face it |
| 22:53.28 | Amarande | you're addicted to WoW :) |
| 22:53.43 | Jammer | JunkHead: you get one more drop chance thus your overall odds of getting mount that week go up slightly, but 11 compared 12 characters ain't big difference |
| 22:53.47 | JunkHead | no. i just have nothign else to do |
| 22:54.35 | JunkHead | and im kinda tired of switching games only to find out they suck, or are just plaing boring |
| 22:54.40 | JunkHead | plain* |
| 22:54.47 | Amarande | literally nothing else to do? linky your character. :) |
| 22:54.53 | JunkHead | umm.... |
| 22:54.58 | JunkHead | which one? |
| 22:55.02 | JunkHead | i have 11 remember |
| 22:55.06 | Amarande | whichever one has the *least* achievements left to do |
| 22:55.23 | jane | demo aoe is kinda shitty :( |
| 22:55.27 | JunkHead | actually im not an achievement fiend |
| 22:55.27 | Jammer | what |
| 22:55.33 | Jammer | jane: demo aoe is awesome |
| 22:55.36 | Amarande | I'm sure there's a few proto-drakes you can suss up a PUG and try to go for |
| 22:55.41 | jane | compared to affliction? |
| 22:55.41 | JunkHead | ive only just recently started doing achievements |
| 22:55.47 | JunkHead | pug. |
| 22:55.48 | JunkHead | yeah |
| 22:55.53 | JunkHead | see im not really into that right now |
| 22:55.54 | Jammer | jane: it's like shit ton better? :p |
| 22:56.04 | Amarande | I'm talking about doing 80 content at 85, though |
| 22:56.05 | JunkHead | i do no groups except ahune right now |
| 22:56.40 | Mr_Rabies | haha |
| 22:56.42 | Mr_Rabies | that reminds me |
| 22:56.44 | jane | really? unless they die to your hellfire or shadowflame or live long enough for infernal or your dots, affliction aoe felt like a truckload more damage |
| 22:56.57 | Amarande | or raze BT, Hyjal and Sunwell for mog gear |
| 22:57.04 | Mr_Rabies | tanking the ahune event in cat form owns |
| 22:57.10 | Mr_Rabies | and cat spec |
| 22:57.20 | Mr_Rabies | too bad i don't need anything from it |
| 22:57.27 | Amarande | mog gear? |
| 22:57.28 | Mr_Rabies | i got the enchant finally the other day |
| 22:57.34 | jane | i still need the pet -_- |
| 22:57.38 | JunkHead | same |
| 22:57.43 | JunkHead | enchant and scythe today |
| 22:57.45 | Amarande | there's always mog gear, now |
| 22:57.45 | JunkHead | still no pet |
| 22:57.52 | jane | i got 3 scythes on a holy pally...sigh |
| 22:57.56 | Amarande | I have a feeling I'm going to get hooked on da mogz pretty hardcore |
| 22:57.59 | Amarande | especially as an ex-LOTRO player |
| 22:58.14 | Amarande | essentially, WoW has now got one of the features I absolutely loved about LOTRO |
| 22:58.20 | JunkHead | i got mine on my mage |
| 22:58.38 | JunkHead | brb |
| 22:58.53 | jane | my warlock finally got the scythe yesterday i think, the only toon that actually wants it |
| 22:59.03 | Amarande | now they just need the wardrobe like LOTRO |
| 22:59.08 | Amarande | and I'll be completely \o/ |
| 23:00.02 | Mr_Rabies | wardrobe? |
| 23:00.56 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: it's a feature that LOTRO has with cosmetic items (= mog, basically, although cosmetic items use a separate set of slots from actual equipped gear rather than altering the latter at the item level like mog does, weapons and shields don't get cosmetic customisation, and you don't pay gold to slot cosmetic items) |
| 23:01.14 | JunkHead | ok gonna tyr the mage |
| 23:01.15 | Amarande | basically, wardrobe slots are account shared |
| 23:01.19 | jane | I just wish transmog was more flexible |
| 23:01.37 | Mr_Rabies | so you have stat sticks and then gear, Amarande? |
| 23:01.38 | jane | I have a staff I love, but I'll never equip it because the BiS healer weapon is a MH mace |
| 23:01.42 | Amarande | and when you put an item in the wardrobe, it puts its appearance (ONLY its appearance, not the item itself) into the slot where any character can access it for cosmetic use |
| 23:01.48 | jane | never transmog it, rather |
| 23:02.03 | Amarande | e.g., you can put BoP gear in the wardrobe and then access it with any character on your account for cosmetic purposes |
| 23:02.22 | Mr_Rabies | well, blizzard's stated they wanted to start limited and expand |
| 23:02.28 | Mr_Rabies | because going the other way would be impossible |
| 23:02.31 | Amarande | and, moreover, gear appearances stored in the wardrobe DON'T have the same restrictions as directly equipped cosmetic gear |
| 23:02.33 | jane | well yeah :p |
| 23:02.40 | Mr_Rabies | they couldn't suddenly say, welp, you can't transmog weapons anymore |
| 23:02.46 | jane | we were discussing the other day if you can go MH>1H or vice versa |
| 23:02.50 | Amarande | In LOTRO, you can't directly slot an item into your cosmetic slots unless you can equip it |
| 23:02.51 | Mr_Rabies | without huge backlash |
| 23:02.53 | jane | that's a weird limitation |
| 23:03.04 | Amarande | just like with mog in WoW |
| 23:03.19 | Amarande | *but*, you can use the appearance of an item from the wardrobe regardless of whether you can equip it or not |
| 23:03.27 | jane | theres a 1h dropping off of ultrax? or blackhorn or something, and it looks better than maw... not sure if i can transmog maw with it though |
| 23:03.30 | Mr_Rabies | they definitely don't want that |
| 23:03.35 | Mr_Rabies | they want paladins to look like paladins, etc |
| 23:03.45 | Mr_Rabies | or at least mostly like plate wearers |
| 23:03.53 | jane | yeah but if its not a 2h, who cares lol |
| 23:04.17 | jane | took a while for me to find my weapon transmog on my druid because of the MH/1H thing |
| 23:04.19 | Amarande | say, is mog limited within the specific weapon type, or is it "1h melee" "2h melee" "ranged"? |
| 23:05.05 | jane | well if you can mog it based on whether you can equip it, and not what's actually equipped, that'd be amazing |
| 23:05.21 | Amarande | that's one thing mog definitely has over LOTRO though |
| 23:05.21 | Mr_Rabies | right now you're limited to exact weapon type |
| 23:05.25 | Mr_Rabies | 1h mace -> 1h mace |
| 23:05.32 | Mr_Rabies | staff -> staff |
| 23:05.36 | Amarande | in LOTRO, you can't cosmetic weapons at all, nor shields |
| 23:05.46 | jane | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/nordrassil/Nekula/advanced two big sticks is fun, but i really want to go full t8 with a staff even if i have maw equipped |
| 23:05.51 | Mr_Rabies | i think eventually they'll limit it to handedness |
| 23:06.01 | Amarande | which is a shame, since the legendary weapons (which EVERYONE level 50+ uses in their mainhand except for very specific reasons) look really basic and meh |
| 23:06.31 | fewyn | yawn |
| 23:06.46 | Mr_Rabies | my char isn't really transmogged at all |
| 23:06.51 | Mr_Rabies | since i think he looks pretty badass as is |
| 23:06.59 | jane | I just have my pimp hat ^^ |
| 23:07.02 | Mr_Rabies | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/llane/Raybeez/advanced |
| 23:07.03 | Ward | I transmogged my mage right after they added the feature |
| 23:07.08 | Amarande | also makes so many of the crafted weapon recipes (and even a lot of the loot) in LOTRO so utterly useless at the higher levels |
| 23:07.14 | Ward | I kept it for 2 weeks |
| 23:07.24 | Ward | then I got bored of transmogging and just let everything sit at default |
| 23:07.49 | JunkHead | yeah mage cant do it. |
| 23:07.51 | JunkHead | no hp |
| 23:08.01 | Amarande | since the only reason not to equip a legendary in the mainhand is if you are running specific places for which the damage type matters more (especially wraiths, where you want to be only using Beleriand damage and the Beleriand damage granting items for legendaries are quite irritatingly annoying to obtain compared to the other types) |
| 23:08.29 | jane | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/nordrassil/Spink/advanced and my shaman is too small to make any transmog stick out. just had to change the shield cause its totally a paladin shield |
| 23:08.52 | Amarande | I'm currently pondering between http://www.wowhead.com/transmog-set=1365 and http://www.wowhead.com/transmog-set=1361 for my mage when she reaches the level |
| 23:09.14 | jane | ooo i like the purple |
| 23:11.25 | Amarande | it looks like Alanna's Embrace might be a half decent robe option for the purple mage do too |
| 23:11.35 | Amarande | I wonder if that will still be around in MoP too |
| 23:11.45 | Amarande | is Ras being removed from the instance entirely or relocated? |
| 23:11.51 | jane | http://www.wowhead.com/item=62178/spider-splatter-mace just wish that was available for mogging |
| 23:14.11 | Amarande | (and if Ras is staying, I wonder what the chances are of there being a level 90 heroic version of Alanna's :) |
| 23:14.39 | Amarande | trying to remember if either SFK or VC had dungeon epics |
| 23:14.44 | Amarande | and if there were heroic versions at all |
| 23:19.56 | Amarande | yay back to the river of cherry kool-aid :) |
| 23:55.01 | fewyn | https://theunderminejournal.com/seller.php?realm=A-Velen&seller=Cakecicle i think i overdid it a little |
| 23:56.29 | Noxy | fewyn |
| 23:56.36 | Noxy | we need a Halcyon meetup next Bcon |
| 23:56.40 | Noxy | help me make everyone go. |
| 23:56.52 | fewyn | i'll go |
| 23:56.52 | Lugburz | just a tad :p |
| 23:56.56 | fewyn | you have to get everyone else to go |
| 23:57.42 | Noxy | but |
| 23:57.44 | Noxy | ): |
