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| 03:25.10 | Stormscape | Show of hands, how many of you would cry like a little girl if they saw a spider as big as a WoW spider IRL? |
| 03:25.13 | Stormscape | raises his hand |
| 03:26.06 | BlackNet | you mean something like this? http://wetlands.simplyaquatics.com/v/animals/spiders/IMG_6037.JPG.html |
| 03:27.19 | JunkHead | me |
| 03:27.24 | JunkHead | raises hand |
| 03:31.33 | Stormscape | I'm not even going to click that |
| 03:31.41 | BlackNet | it's work safe |
| 03:32.02 | Stormscape | I'm arachnophobic. |
| 03:32.21 | BlackNet | it's not a spider |
| 03:32.27 | BlackNet | think of it as a furry kitten |
| 03:37.46 | BlackNet | :) |
| 03:38.51 | BlackNet | that's a macro photo i took on the front porch of my mom's house. it's a very helpful spider |
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| 05:03.37 | Mr_Rabies | it's an orb weaver |
| 05:03.46 | Mr_Rabies | those things are probably less dangerous than kittens |
| 05:05.19 | blademeld | Stormscape: yo |
| 05:05.21 | blademeld | yo |
| 05:05.23 | blademeld | yoooo |
| 05:05.46 | blademeld | Mr_Rabies: kittens are freaking weapons of meow destruction |
| 05:06.07 | Mr_Rabies | orb weavers own |
| 05:06.16 | Mr_Rabies | they're the guys that build the huge webs that catch a million bugs |
| 05:06.45 | blademeld | LITTLE DID MR_RABIES KNOW, IT WAS MERELY A TEST RUN TO SEE IF THEY CAN CATCH MR_RABIES |
| 05:06.58 | Mr_Rabies | they can't, but their webs are no fun to walk into |
| 05:07.14 | Mr_Rabies | 1) you have a confused and possibly angry spider as big as a tomato |
| 05:07.23 | Mr_Rabies | 2) they're sticky as hell |
| 05:07.30 | blademeld | lol |
| 05:07.43 | blademeld | yeah, I hate morning walks in the woods |
| 05:07.47 | blademeld | because lolwebs |
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| 05:08.01 | blademeld | at least in the afternoon, the cyclists have cleared the webs |
| 05:08.07 | blademeld | ... poor cyclists |
| 05:10.51 | Mr_Rabies | OH HOLY HELL *slams into tree, enrages spider* |
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| 08:40.01 | linuxuz3r__ | hi |
| 08:40.14 | linuxuz3r__ | im going to reinstall windows 7 |
| 08:40.52 | linuxuz3r__ | is it possible to just make a backup of wow folder and put that in my new windows installation and it would work? |
| 08:52.49 | Lornetc | yes, you can just copy the wow folder off your hd and then copy it back when you're done reinstalling. |
| 09:18.29 | linuxuz3r__ | thanks |
| 09:18.45 | linuxuz3r__ | whats a good pet bear at level 54 |
| 09:56.40 | Lornetc | Im partial to taming a Welcome Bear from WPL ;P |
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| 13:19.02 | kullervo | ... wth is that? |
| 13:22.07 | hylje | welcome bear is the high level bear mob easily accessible from tirisfal |
| 13:22.33 | hylje | so adventurous noobs wander out to wpl and meet the welcome bear |
| 13:25.52 | kullervo | oh. |
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| 15:40.30 | kewkumber | hello there |
| 15:47.34 | Amarande | G'morning. :) |
| 15:47.49 | Amarande | Or ... evening I'm guessing, since I think all of 203.* is in Oceania |
| 15:51.24 | kewkumber | Good Morning=) |
| 16:11.53 | blademeld | Amarande: always morning when someone enters |
| 16:19.46 | Owkkuri | UGT baby |
| 16:19.51 | Owkkuri | ~UGT |
| 16:19.52 | infobot | ugt is probably Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 16:22.59 | blademeld | Owkkuri had a baby once |
| 16:23.09 | blademeld | Owkkuri tells me their flesh is tender |
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| 16:28.55 | Amarande | "Good morning to thee, gentle friend and traveller!" (And dammit, now I want to play Ultima VII again. LOL) |
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| 16:32.57 | blademeld | points out that Amarande is nude and possibly nude. |
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| 16:52.56 | Noxy | dthjyfthdrgsefdgfhgjtkufjh |
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| 17:23.02 | Freyja | [The Wowhead Blog] Mists of Pandaria: Tailoring Preview - http://www.wowhead.com/news=204114/mists-of-pandaria-tailoring-preview |
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| 17:40.11 | Amarande | so, will Imperial Silk have a cooldown like the other special cloths? |
| 17:40.21 | fewyn | probably? |
| 17:42.29 | raspy | what special cloths have cooldowns? :> |
| 17:44.24 | Amarande | raspy: pretty much all the ones from TBC onward that are blue items |
| 17:44.44 | Amarande | they usually drop it a few patches in, which makes one scratch one's head and wonder why they had it have a CD in the first place :S |
| 17:45.04 | Amarande | along with "why did it take them so long to decide that having Chaos Orbs be BoP wasn't really a good idea" heh |
| 17:46.13 | raspy | i know i was messing around i got tailoring @525 :> its been awhile since i made any in awhile |
| 17:47.05 | raspy | i still wondwe r why glacial bags got a cooldown |
| 17:50.39 | Amarande | Yeah, especially these days that's odd |
| 17:51.00 | Amarande | Particularly since after the Great Consumables Purge of 4.0, the Abyssal Bag became a 22 slot regular bag, too, but doesn't have any such restriction |
| 17:51.35 | raspy | though my bank and my regular bags are all illusionary |
| 17:51.54 | Amarande | And the green embersilk bag doesn't have a CD either |
| 17:52.13 | Amarande | I'm going to go with "they forgot" as the most likely explanation heh |
| 17:52.23 | raspy | prolly |
| 17:53.22 | raspy | i should get some friend to take me on a ds run can never get into one it seems |
| 17:54.33 | Amarande | The Chaos Orbs sparked one of the most fuming arguments I've ever seen in WoW, though. I would have thought they'd have got rid of the BoPness ASAP in order to make the players happier and avoid such wrenching levels of drama |
| 17:55.38 | JunkHead | I'm getting annoyed trying to get discoveries on my alchemist. |
| 17:57.49 | Amarande | Essentially, it really did come down to, four or so professions out of the 11 the game offers got to make 1000 or more gold off of every heroic run, while people whose professions were entirely composed of the other seven got nothing corresponding, but to have to *pay* said 1000 or more extra gold for crafting items needing them because crafters got to set the price with little or no competition |
| 17:57.49 | Amarande | and no AH natural market forces to lower it. |
| 17:58.07 | Amarande | Yeah. Logicality demanded making them BoE, but why not sooner *scratches head* |
| 17:58.32 | Amarande | (Also, why were they specially exempt from the "can trade within two hours with fellow people from the same instance" rule like other BoPs have?) |
| 17:58.44 | Djane | There was drama? |
| 17:59.07 | Amarande | Djane: Yeah. Pretty much everyone whose professions weren't the minority that had recipes that could use Chaos Orbs complained rather loudly about said Orbs |
| 17:59.14 | blademeld | drama, so much drama |
| 17:59.14 | Djane | But why? |
| 17:59.19 | blademeld | because scrubs |
| 17:59.23 | Djane | Oh. K. |
| 17:59.23 | blademeld | who didn't run guild runs |
| 17:59.40 | Djane | If you couldn't use chaos orbs...why did you care? |
| 17:59.52 | Djane | And if you could? Well, it was kind of irrelevant because they were BoP anyways and worth very little. |
| 17:59.56 | blademeld | Djane: losing out on a chance to roll on a 1k item? |
| 18:00.05 | Djane | It was never 1k |
| 18:00.05 | Djane | Ever. |
| 18:00.13 | blademeld | I'm going by the number Amarande said |
| 18:00.20 | Amarande | 1. People wanted to get gear crafted with them, and were used to WotLK's "orbs were all BoP, at least past the very beginning months" philosophy |
| 18:00.21 | blademeld | but either way, you're losing out on gold |
| 18:00.28 | Djane | Amarande, except they ALSO required raiding materials |
| 18:00.31 | blademeld | like in Vanilla and tBC, before d/e rolls |
| 18:00.34 | Djane | And the only people who needed those were raiders |
| 18:00.40 | blademeld | enchanters got to do w.e. with BoP loot |
| 18:00.41 | Djane | who had endless supplies of chaos orbs |
| 18:00.45 | Amarande | er, all BoE |
| 18:00.47 | blademeld | some enchanters kept 1 extra |
| 18:00.52 | blademeld | shard |
| 18:00.56 | blademeld | same sh*t |
| 18:00.57 | Amarande | and thus, you used to be able to buy orbs off the AH |
| 18:01.03 | blademeld | different idiots who didn't go through that |
| 18:01.13 | Djane | Amarande, but rolls are rolls. |
| 18:01.19 | blademeld | also, Amarande, they made it BoP because they didn't want progression to go too fast |
| 18:01.21 | Amarande | with BoE orbs, crafters can charge whatever they want, and take advantage of the fact that trade chat doesn't lend itself as easily to natural market forces as the AH |
| 18:01.30 | Amarande | er. with BoP orbs. Dammit! |
| 18:01.35 | Amarande | but you know what I mean. |
| 18:01.43 | Djane | Amarande, but the only people who wanted chaos orb stuff already had chaos orbs |
| 18:01.52 | Djane | Because the only usage was a)tailoring mount b)raid gear. |
| 18:02.06 | Djane | Those that wanted raid gear just went inguild, or didn't care about money. |
| 18:02.12 | Djane | Because you know, raiders. |
| 18:02.12 | Amarande | Cata heroics were on a raid-level difficulty though, at least in the beginning and compared to WotLK's instances. |
| 18:02.15 | blademeld | Djane: simply put, people were complaining because they were idiots and decided they weren't getting a chance at basically free gold |
| 18:02.18 | Djane | Amarande, not really. |
| 18:02.31 | Djane | they weren't raid level, nowhere near. |
| 18:02.35 | raspy | cata heroics was easy just people was pussssys |
| 18:02.35 | Amarande | The second matter is that, regardless of the raid/not raid dynamics |
| 18:02.36 | Djane | What they were was a culture shock. |
| 18:02.38 | blademeld | tBC heroics pre-nerfs |
| 18:02.50 | blademeld | raspy: agreed |
| 18:03.01 | Djane | People doing it wrong MADE it raid level, the actual difficulty wasn't that much harder than wrath heroics 1 week after release. |
| 18:03.17 | raspy | then they wussed em out big time |
| 18:03.19 | Amarande | There was a very arguable matter that a small subset of professions didn't deserve the ability to get an extra moneymaker out of heroics, that the other professions didn't have *any* corresponding advantage towards. |
| 18:03.20 | Djane | I.e trying to do it in greens |
| 18:03.27 | Djane | Amarande, what money was made? |
| 18:03.28 | JunkHead | I liked the cata heroics before they nerfed them. |
| 18:03.32 | blademeld | Djane: they were used to doing runs in greens though |
| 18:03.32 | JunkHead | Well, most of them anyway. |
| 18:03.39 | JunkHead | Some were a bit tough. |
| 18:03.40 | Amarande | Djane: Plenty of people in trade chat selling their orbs for huge bank in the first few weeks |
| 18:03.43 | raspy | i loved grim batol at first |
| 18:03.44 | Djane | But you couldn't |
| 18:03.47 | Djane | because they were BoP |
| 18:03.55 | Djane | Try again? |
| 18:04.06 | JunkHead | Actually, peopel did do that. |
| 18:04.07 | Djane | the ONLY way you could make money off them, was charging for them in crafted gear, that was it. |
| 18:04.14 | Amarande | Djane: It was like primal nethers in TBC. You got to sell the orb as a mat when you offered crafting services. |
| 18:04.15 | JunkHead | but they weren't selling the orbs themselves |
| 18:04.18 | Djane | And the only people who bought crafted gear at that point were raiders. |
| 18:04.29 | Djane | Yes. And the only people who bought the crafted gear just bought it inhouse |
| 18:04.33 | Djane | I.e for free. |
| 18:04.34 | JunkHead | they were advertising "hey i will make you stuff at the cost of xxx per orb" |
| 18:04.36 | JunkHead | but yeah |
| 18:04.50 | JunkHead | i had some orbs on characters, but never really made stuff for people. |
| 18:04.52 | Djane | You're going on about "free gold" and "charging this" but you're forgetting the fact that nobody actually paid for it. |
| 18:04.57 | JunkHead | I just made stuff and sold it on the ah |
| 18:05.01 | Amarande | JunkHead: Yeah. And the big drama was that many crafting professions didn't get even a chance to make similar money. |
| 18:05.04 | Djane | Certainly not when we were looking at that level of money. |
| 18:05.16 | Djane | The professions have never been balanced |
| 18:05.16 | Djane | Ever. |
| 18:05.27 | Djane | Alchemy always does REALLY FUCKING WELL in the first opening weeks |
| 18:05.29 | Djane | as does herbalism |
| 18:05.36 | Amarande | If you were an alchemist, jewelcrafter, enchanter, or scribe? Sorry. |
| 18:05.36 | Djane | Tailoring never does well except crafted gear |
| 18:05.46 | Djane | Enchanting never does well except in guild groups |
| 18:05.58 | Djane | Scribe has always been incredible, if you put the effort in |
| 18:06.04 | Djane | Jewelcrafting has always been shit, unless you're a raider |
| 18:06.20 | Djane | In terms of pure money potential per hour |
| 18:06.21 | Amarande | Yeah, I know, when I played last my scribe had made around 8,000 gold by the mid 70s, and that's probably a low income |
| 18:06.34 | Amarande | I think most of it is still sitting in my guild bank waiting for me to resubscribe. |
| 18:06.44 | blademeld | Djane: not on my server |
| 18:06.45 | blademeld | lol |
| 18:06.46 | Djane | You're looking at something like Scribe > Herbalist > Alchemist > Miner > BS > Engineer |
| 18:06.51 | JunkHead | the only real money i made from inscription was selling what i made when I leveled. |
| 18:06.54 | blademeld | JC is easiest way to make gold in my server |
| 18:07.03 | JunkHead | I couldn't do the whole mass market glyph thing |
| 18:07.06 | Djane | blademeld, sure, but it's pretty weak in terms of gold per hour |
| 18:07.08 | Amarande | Granted, Engineers and Tailors really didn't get much of a benefit from the Orbs either. |
| 18:07.16 | Djane | Amarande, i.e zero. |
| 18:07.26 | Djane | They got to make the crafted goods, except, anyone could make the crafted goods for anyone |
| 18:07.38 | Djane | Chaos orbs were, like all other of that kind of material, completely irrelevant. |
| 18:07.43 | Amarande | Back then, with Eng ... you could make your goggles, and a couple of ranged weapons that look like they would be replaced by any upgrades from a heroic or raid |
| 18:07.51 | Djane | Not to mention that the 4 professions that could actually use them were the lowest gold making professions in the game. |
| 18:08.17 | Djane | Tailoring, engineering, Blacksmithing have always been very hard to make decent gold on, and definitely were in cata. |
| 18:08.18 | Amarande | And with tailors it was easier to use one of the alternative recipes for dreamcloth. |
| 18:08.30 | Djane | So I ask you again. |
| 18:08.31 | Djane | Why? |
| 18:08.34 | Amarande | I guess I can feel sympathetic towards the blacksmiths and leatherworkers to a degree. |
| 18:08.40 | Noxy | rolls around |
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| 18:08.47 | Amarande | It was a running joke in trade sometimes that BS was called that for a reason. :) |
| 18:08.49 | Djane | The true crafting professions have always been shafted in terms of making gold. |
| 18:08.55 | Djane | That's not why they exist. |
| 18:09.01 | Djane | You don't take them if you want to make gold |
| 18:09.12 | Djane | You take a gathering profession, and alchemy/scribe/JC |
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| 18:09.52 | JunkHead | or just be a loser and have multiples of each. |
| 18:09.53 | Djane | Amarande, for reference. That dungeon that took an hour for that 1k chaos orb would net you about 1300gold in total. In 1 hour a decent herbalist within the first month could expect to make 5-10k an hour |
| 18:10.20 | Djane | The most I ever made was 17k, but that was before the secret whiptail spot nerf. |
| 18:11.45 | Amarande | In any case, I think it always came down to "why do 4 specific professions deserve extras that players who don't happen to have any of them don't get, but have to put in the same dungeon work not to have a chance to roll on" |
| 18:12.03 | Djane | Because they're so far behind anyways? |
| 18:12.12 | Djane | Because they made no gold off those professions anyways? |
| 18:12.30 | Djane | Because anyone with those professions was so beyond shafted economically that it was only fair they got SOMETHING for it? |
| 18:12.38 | blademeld | yep |
| 18:12.39 | Djane | Because Blizzard wanted to gate progression |
| 18:12.40 | blademeld | like I said |
| 18:12.41 | blademeld | idiots |
| 18:12.44 | blademeld | complaining |
| 18:12.45 | blademeld | idiots |
| 18:12.47 | Amarande | It kind of reminds me of why anyone (unless maybe you wanted the cheeve and didn't have it already) wanted to join certain PUG raids I used to see |
| 18:12.58 | Djane | For loot? |
| 18:13.07 | Amarande | I would very often in trade chat see a raid saying "LFM for (raid that's not even current tier anymore), mount's already spoken for" |
| 18:13.18 | Djane | Yes. |
| 18:13.19 | Amarande | and wondered why anyone would want to join it unless they still needed the Achievement. heh |
| 18:13.21 | Djane | Sometimes it's fun. |
| 18:13.28 | Djane | Sometimes doing things can be for fun Amarande |
| 18:13.51 | Djane | Loot on alts. |
| 18:13.53 | blademeld | fun |
| 18:13.53 | Djane | Something to do. |
| 18:13.55 | blademeld | achieves |
| 18:13.59 | blademeld | transmog |
| 18:13.59 | raspy | yup something to do |
| 18:14.04 | blademeld | raping raspy |
| 18:14.06 | Amarande | ah |
| 18:14.08 | Amarande | transmog |
| 18:14.10 | Djane | Practice. |
| 18:14.12 | raspy | meah nothing new |
| 18:14.17 | Amarande | I haven't played since before transmog came out, so that's something I forgot about :) |
| 18:14.18 | Djane | I like how that's the only reason you acknowledge. |
| 18:14.23 | blademeld | raping raspy with a 3" thick dildo |
| 18:14.37 | JunkHead | arm dildo. |
| 18:14.51 | raspy | why go with one go with 2 |
| 18:15.04 | Djane | Amarande, my shadowpriest is in heroic T13 |
| 18:15.07 | Djane | My paladin is in heroic T12 |
| 18:15.10 | Djane | and my mage is in normal T11 |
| 18:15.15 | Djane | If someone puts up a firelands normal run |
| 18:15.27 | Djane | and they say "mount reserved", well, I might go along on the mage, because hey upgrades |
| 18:15.38 | Djane | I might tank it on the paladin because I want to tank and don't get too usually |
| 18:15.54 | Djane | Or I might rofl on the priest, maybe get some practice in on my offspec healing, or just rofl some large numbers because it's fun. |
| 18:16.06 | Djane | Doing all the 150k dps on Alyzrazor. |
| 18:16.21 | raspy | hehe thats what i do with my mage in lfr now and the easy vp |
| 18:16.23 | JunkHead | i only did firelands once |
| 18:16.25 | Djane | (and killing normal Majordomo without ever moving out of scorpion phase) |
| 18:16.29 | JunkHead | and we did every boss except rag |
| 18:16.39 | Djane | raspy, aye. I don't do LFR for valour or for loot now |
| 18:16.41 | Djane | I do it for the test. |
| 18:16.53 | Djane | Keeping myself on the top of my dps game against strangers. |
| 18:17.04 | Djane | Otherwise you can get complacent |
| 18:17.05 | JunkHead | i dont even get vp now. |
| 18:17.09 | Amarande | I'm guessing that LFR has probably also significantly increased the exposure to raids and general calibre of PUG raiders, too |
| 18:17.17 | Djane | Not really. |
| 18:17.21 | blademeld | Djane: lol, strangers |
| 18:17.25 | Djane | Raiders are a poorer quality nowadays |
| 18:17.26 | raspy | though im on arcane spec im still usually in top 5ish people |
| 18:17.32 | blademeld | Amarande: calibre, not even close |
| 18:18.02 | Djane | it's been impossible to recruit decent raiders since firelands |
| 18:18.07 | Djane | LFR made it worse. |
| 18:18.16 | Amarande | It's possibly the decline in subscriptions. |
| 18:18.17 | raspy | ya all the wetards are there now |
| 18:18.30 | Noxy | Last weeks shits-and-giggles LFR for my guild was just.. frightening. |
| 18:18.31 | Djane | People who had the potential to be good raiders, might have become good raiders but mostly just wanted to see the content no longer bother to learn how to raid. |
| 18:18.37 | Noxy | For once it wasnt fewyn that was being a dick. |
| 18:18.40 | Amarande | For some reason, I'm not 100% sure why, but I looked at a graph of WoW subscriptions since launch, and TOR actually only put a smallish dent in it. |
| 18:18.45 | Djane | You pretty much lost 90% of all the potential up and coming raiders to LFR |
| 18:18.46 | Amarande | They've been noticeably down ever since Cata. |
| 18:18.47 | Noxy | It was everyone else |
| 18:18.59 | Djane | Noxy, yeah, nobody gives any shits about WoW anymore |
| 18:19.14 | Djane | Between GW2, end of expansion ennui, a HORRIFIC content patch, LFR, the lose of a lot of guild cohesion |
| 18:19.18 | Noxy | I'm sure some do . .. o.o |
| 18:19.20 | Noxy | I do. |
| 18:19.26 | Djane | I exagerrate |
| 18:19.33 | Amarande | I'm actually returning to WoW fairly soon. :) |
| 18:19.35 | Djane | but certainly a lot of people have lost the respect for the game. |
| 18:19.37 | Noxy | I'm still a GM and I still have the same members I've had for years. |
| 18:19.47 | JunkHead | I'm still playing it, although I play it a lot less than I used to. |
| 18:19.51 | Djane | Noxy, how many of them play every day right now compared to 1 year ago? |
| 18:19.58 | JunkHead | And I try to concentrate on different objectives now |
| 18:20.23 | Noxy | Every day? Not sure. I'm not on every day cause of work and spontaniously having two children. |
| 18:20.30 | Noxy | But as of 1 year ago, probably a shit ton more. |
| 18:20.32 | Amarande | I decided not to try TOR or D3 at this time, and LOTRO had moved too far into the P2W spectrum, so I decided to leave that. |
| 18:20.39 | Djane | D3 is fun |
| 18:20.45 | Noxy | We went through a hiatus about a year ago. |
| 18:20.52 | Djane | Ignoring all the bullshit stuff, D3 is fun. |
| 18:20.53 | blademeld | D3 is fun |
| 18:21.04 | Amarande | As for the Guild Wars games, the fully instanced world bothered me, because I like to be able to have more flexibility as to when I can log out and not lose progress. |
| 18:21.04 | raspy | havent played d3 yet |
| 18:21.06 | Djane | infernos blademeld in the barbarian. |
| 18:21.10 | fewyn | i'm not a dick |
| 18:21.11 | Noxy | Amarande: Join my guild, you seem to have a brain. |
| 18:21.13 | Djane | Amarande, wut? |
| 18:21.17 | Noxy | snuggles fewyn |
| 18:21.21 | fewyn | well |
| 18:21.22 | Djane | You don't lose progress? |
| 18:21.24 | fewyn | most of the time |
| 18:21.32 | raspy | hehe |
| 18:21.33 | Djane | At least, not in GW2 anyways |
| 18:21.36 | Amarande | Djane: I mean, in GW, when you log back in you always have to start over from a town or outpost |
| 18:21.37 | Djane | I've not played GW1 |
| 18:21.43 | Djane | Amarande, not true for GW2 |
| 18:21.49 | fewyn | gw2 is interesting |
| 18:21.58 | Djane | fewyn, it -really- is. |
| 18:22.06 | Djane | I'm very much sold on a lot of the game concepts. |
| 18:22.10 | Amarande | Many zones in GW1, especially Prophecies, are several not always easy zones out from the nearest town or outpost, so it's a real pain if you have to log out there and start the trek over next session. |
| 18:22.17 | Noxy | good or bad interesting? I didnt get into the beta-junk. |
| 18:22.25 | fewyn | good |
| 18:22.29 | Djane | Noxy, really good. |
| 18:22.31 | Noxy | Cause I'm an ~artist~ and dont deserve content privelages. |
| 18:22.34 | blademeld | Djane: was doing norm act 3 barb, lag killed me three times on one pack of normal mobs |
| 18:22.38 | Amarande | Imagine if you had to do BRD every time you did Molten Core. That's what it's comparable to for some of the more distant GW1 zones. |
| 18:22.42 | fewyn | i preordered it Noxy |
| 18:22.44 | Noxy | I'M STILL MAD ABOUT VEGAS. |
| 18:22.44 | Djane | It's got this dynamically evolving gameplay which is really sexy |
| 18:22.55 | Noxy | stabs fewyn with a pencil |
| 18:22.56 | Djane | Noxy, you're running around right? Then suddenly? A FARM IS UNDER ATTACK! |
| 18:22.57 | Djane | Shit! |
| 18:22.59 | Djane | So you run over there |
| 18:23.00 | fewyn | hug Noxy |
| 18:23.12 | fewyn | questing is more "organic" |
| 18:23.14 | JunkHead | i have tried gw2. not really into it. |
| 18:23.17 | Djane | and a bunch of other people do too, suddenly you're involved in a bitter struggle of survival against hordes of centaurs with people you've never met before. |
| 18:23.18 | Noxy | dont hug me, you'll smack my butt again. |
| 18:23.20 | JunkHead | tried tor, hated it |
| 18:23.26 | fewyn | syou know you love it |
| 18:23.27 | JunkHead | even the secret world |
| 18:23.29 | raspy | whats d3 cost anyways i might pick it up today |
| 18:23.30 | Noxy | Eh. I'll probably stick with wow anyway. |
| 18:23.31 | Djane | You beat them off, but OH NOES! |
| 18:23.36 | JunkHead | and... i just can't be bothered to play it |
| 18:23.37 | Djane | Some people got kidnapped by those centaurs |
| 18:23.40 | fewyn | it's f2p kinda Noxy |
| 18:23.41 | Amarande | raspy: 60 bucks, you can buy it online via your battle.net account |
| 18:23.42 | fewyn | you buy the box |
| 18:23.46 | fewyn | that's it |
| 18:23.49 | Djane | so you and this bunch of strangers leap off to attack the centaurs to recover them |
| 18:23.49 | fewyn | no monthly fee |
| 18:23.56 | JunkHead | d3 is just... well its diablo. |
| 18:24.01 | Djane | And OH SHIT THERES A CENTAUR CHIEFTAIN |
| 18:24.04 | JunkHead | i can't get into it. |
| 18:24.06 | Djane | So you guys have to group up to beat it |
| 18:24.11 | Noxy | Thats neat, but I'm still really bad at managing my time. |
| 18:24.13 | Djane | And...then you go back to your original quest. |
| 18:24.25 | Djane | BUT OH SHIT, A DEMON INCURSION IS HAPPENING |
| 18:24.26 | raspy | hell we be waiting for d3 for hell a shitton of time |
| 18:24.27 | Noxy | Work/kids/wow is pretty much all my tiny brain can handle. |
| 18:24.39 | Djane | fewyn, would you agree that OH SHIT X IS HAPPENING pretty much sums up your levelling experiences so far? |
| 18:24.43 | Amarande | But, yeah. In WoW I can manage time much more easily. I can log off whenever I want or need to, as long as I'm not in the middle of a timed quest or group content. |
| 18:25.01 | fewyn | yeah |
| 18:25.06 | Amarande | And I'm guessing it's rare now for a 5-man to even take much more than a half hour at this point in cata? |
| 18:25.13 | Djane | Amarande, basically. |
| 18:25.31 | fewyn | ii'm trying to kill spine right now |
| 18:25.36 | raspy | hell 15 mins was last last lost city run |
| 18:25.42 | Amarande | Also apart from daily quests and cooldown crafts there's little you lose out on in WoW from not being on every day. |
| 18:25.42 | raspy | normal or lfr? |
| 18:25.45 | Noxy | HEY GUYS SHUT UP FOR A SECOND |
| 18:25.46 | fewyn | normal |
| 18:25.47 | Amarande | Well, unless it's Brewfest. |
| 18:25.54 | fewyn | NOXY I WANT TO SLAP YOUR BUTT |
| 18:25.59 | Noxy | .... |
| 18:26.19 | Noxy | Does that count as employee sexual harassment? |
| 18:26.23 | Noxy | I dont even know anymore. |
| 18:26.24 | blademeld | fewyn: Noxy's a married woman, show some respect |
| 18:26.24 | Noxy | Anyway. |
| 18:26.31 | Noxy | blademeld |
| 18:26.35 | blademeld | Noxy: you don't work together |
| 18:26.39 | Noxy | he'd smack my husbands butt, too. |
| 18:26.42 | blademeld | :P |
| 18:26.52 | Noxy | ANYWAY. |
| 18:27.05 | blademeld | Noxy: unfortunately, tones don't come through very well in text |
| 18:27.09 | Noxy | I reckon this is the most active #wowheads been in a while. |
| 18:27.11 | Noxy | Keep it up. |
| 18:27.16 | blademeld | lool |
| 18:27.19 | raspy | for some odd reason id like to have a boxed copy of d3 just cuz |
| 18:27.23 | Amarande | LOTRO on the other hand, not only did it mostly go P2W, but the amount of time to put in to not set yourself back is actually *more* than WoW. |
| 18:27.34 | Noxy | Amarande |
| 18:27.36 | Noxy | but |
| 18:27.36 | JunkHead | I tried lotro. |
| 18:27.37 | Noxy | ponies |
| 18:27.42 | JunkHead | it was fair at first |
| 18:27.49 | blademeld | raspy: my sister bought a CE D3, when she bought the game, they gave her a 30 or 40" display box |
| 18:27.55 | JunkHead | Rift was one I actually liked. |
| 18:28.19 | Amarande | In LOTRO, instead of the simple and sane talent system of WoW, you have that Trait system that requires you to grind out X usages of each of a number of abilities on your character to earn traits to be able to slot them ... And you're limited to a certain number of uses a day that count unless you use the cash shop for an accelerator. |
| 18:28.31 | Noxy | Lotro is such a pretty game, I like to log in and just.. look at stuff, ride around on my ponies. Questing? Levelling? WHATS THAT??? |
| 18:28.41 | Noxy | HEY LOOK PRETTY CLOUDS |
| 18:29.01 | blademeld | lol |
| 18:29.13 | Amarande | You also have to actually *hit* with most abilities for them to count ... which, if you're trying to level faster by doing on- and above-level content, makes it take even longer because a lot of times the named ability will miss and not count towards the deed |
| 18:29.21 | Noxy | Minstrels |
| 18:29.22 | Noxy | the end |
| 18:29.34 | fewyn | i hate this encounter |
| 18:29.40 | JunkHead | Amarande that sounds like how wow was. |
| 18:29.45 | JunkHead | leveling weapon skills |
| 18:29.50 | Amarande | I had a Warden in my last few weeks of LOTRO. I think it usually took me something like 2-3 hours a day in order to grind out my daily allotment for all the gambits I had to do for class deeds |
| 18:30.29 | Amarande | JunkHead: They got rid of that though, and even before they did, it was only a problem if 1) you actually fought with weapons, and 2) you were switching to a new weapon type |
| 18:30.32 | blademeld | lol |
| 18:30.35 | blademeld | weapon skills |
| 18:30.36 | blademeld | lol |
| 18:30.38 | JunkHead | true |
| 18:30.48 | Amarande | also, these traits were your equivalent to talents in WoW |
| 18:30.53 | JunkHead | ohhh |
| 18:30.55 | Amarande | so you had to grind out several |
| 18:31.27 | Amarande | LOTRO instances also take a lot longer than WoW ones sadly :( |
| 18:32.07 | Noxy | At least they're gonna, or already have, split up that 5 hour long one. |
| 18:32.09 | Amarande | It's saying something when some of their 6-man instances (LOTRO standard party size) needed raid-style multi-day lockouts |
| 18:32.15 | Amarande | They did split up Fornost, yeah. |
| 18:32.33 | Amarande | Carn Dum and Urugarth still take forever, though |
| 18:33.19 | Amarande | But yeah, I mostly got unsold on LOTRO when I realised that they're pushing more towards an item system where you're expected to spend fifty dollars per character |
| 18:33.41 | Amarande | and then do it again when the First Age LIs come out (since I doubt they'll come out at Rohan release, the FAs have never come out at the same time as the expansions) |
| 18:35.14 | Amarande | Plus the ever decreasing benefits of being a subscriber anyway, making it pretty much better to ditch it and just be a F2P player when the fancy strikes. |
| 18:35.37 | JunkHead | sigh |
| 18:35.40 | JunkHead | still no discoveries |
| 18:36.09 | Amarande | I think apart from the quest pack access and the ability to do PvP as freeps there isn't really much that former subscribers get by resubbing now :| |
| 18:36.53 | Amarande | And yes, Noxy, the horses are quite lovely in LOTRO. :) |
| 18:37.02 | Amarande | My Guardian has the Elven Ambassador one recently |
| 18:38.27 | Amarande | It's going to be good to see my netherdrake again, though. :) |
| 18:39.52 | Amarande | And to have faster mounts in general. One thing that always ground my gears a bit in LOTRO was the mount speed |
| 18:40.03 | JunkHead | I played this one F2P game for a bit called Runes of magic |
| 18:40.08 | JunkHead | It was pretty decent. |
| 18:40.16 | Amarande | The "standard" tier of mounts is actually a little faster than WoW's (62% vs 60%) |
| 18:40.42 | Amarande | but there are no flying mounts, and "elite" ground mounts are a pitiful upgrade at just 68%, particularly considering that most of them are cash shop exclusives that cost $20 for just one character to get one |
| 18:42.41 | Amarande | LOTRO's F2P model used to be pretty decent. |
| 18:43.02 | JunkHead | RoM had a few nagging things. |
| 18:43.17 | JunkHead | Like, the game was 100% free, but buying some thigns makes it easier of course. |
| 18:43.22 | JunkHead | Main thing... a mount. |
| 18:43.24 | JunkHead | 10 bucks. |
| 18:43.35 | JunkHead | and bagspace. |
| 18:43.48 | JunkHead | but bagspace wasn't like... you pay a few bucks and get an extra bag |
| 18:43.59 | JunkHead | you paid a few bucks for bag slots, for a few months. |
| 18:44.04 | JunkHead | they were temporary.:\ |
| 18:44.29 | Amarande | The cash shop provided few real advantages in earlier days. Most of them were either just conveniences, though, or came with the package if you chose to subscribe (and most of the character enhancements you get from a subscription did and still do stick to your characters permanently after your subscription lapses) |
| 18:45.29 | Amarande | It also let you easily purchase the expansions (although while Moria and Mirkwood are good buys there, Isengard is not - the Isengard packages via Turbine's Digital River based web store are much better than the in-game store deal) |
| 18:46.16 | JunkHead | I'm still waiting to see the anarchy online graphics engine upgrade. |
| 18:46.29 | Amarande | The only thing people really complained much about then in those halcyon days was the potions (HoT potions that didn't share a cooldown with regular potions and couldn't be obtained in any other fashion), but even those were usually only a minor advantage, except perhaps in PvP |
| 18:47.33 | Amarande | But then Turbine did a number of moves to really rankle a lot of their player base |
| 18:48.27 | Amarande | First they added armour sets with stats to the cash shop, which was not a major thing in a practical sense (the sets were statted for lower level characters), but really got a lot of people thinking because technically at that point they broke their promises regarding the cash shop (they had said statted gear wouldn't be there) |
| 18:48.54 | JunkHead | Funcom announced in June 2007 that they would be updating the game's 3D rendering engine.[59] While the current engine — Funcom's proprietary Dreamworld — had received incremental improvements with the Notum Wars booster in 2002 and Shadowlands expansion in 2003, the 2008 announcement stated it would be completely replaced with more modern software to "release the game fresh". |
| 18:49.07 | JunkHead | 2007 |
| 18:49.22 | JunkHead | the engine update still hasn't happened yet. |
| 18:49.37 | Amarande | Well, they didn't say it would happen soon, did they? :) |
| 18:49.45 | JunkHead | A game engine upgrade is due in 2012. The new engine, also used for Age of Conan and The Secret World, will be supported concurrently with the previous engine. |
| 18:49.56 | Amarande | How long does it take stuff to happen usually even when companies say it will be "soon"? :) |
| 18:50.45 | JunkHead | AO was fun. |
| 18:51.18 | Amarande | I do think I can see one of the major reasons why Turbine started gutting the benefits of being a subscriber, though, sadly. Not that that understanding is going to get me to resubscribe, of course. :P |
| 18:51.33 | Amarande | In a similar light, I'm quite glad now that Blizzard has never sold lifetime subscriptions to WoW. :) |
| 18:52.04 | Amarande | Back in the days when LOTRO was a subscription-only game, they used to sell lifetime subscriptions for $200 |
| 18:52.20 | JunkHead | Yup. |
| 18:52.23 | JunkHead | I remember that |
| 18:52.34 | JunkHead | That's when I played it. |
| 18:52.41 | Amarande | I get the distinct feeling that the recent P2W shift (and probably the whole F2P business move) is because of that. |
| 18:52.51 | JunkHead | I haven't played it really since it went f2p |
| 18:53.53 | Amarande | Probably too large a proportion of their remaining playerbase has become lifetime subscribers, who have years ago played out the amount of time that their subscription is equivalent to cost-wise |
| 18:54.41 | Amarande | Which means, with the sale rate on the Turbine Points, that they are basically PAYING a large proportion of their players five bucks a month to play the game, after a fashion |
| 18:55.31 | Amarande | No wonder they're trying to attach a large cash cost onto having good Legendary Items and make it so it needs to be repaid regularly (i.e., reapplied at cost every time you upgrade LIs) |
| 18:56.19 | Amarande | Also, the only way I presume they can legally get out of that foot-shot of having to give the subscriber benefits away free to so many people now is to gut the benefits of subscription across-the-board, even if it eventually means that it's no longer even worth it at all to sub. :| |
| 18:57.20 | blademeld | so |
| 18:57.22 | blademeld | much |
| 18:57.22 | blademeld | text |
| 18:59.17 | Amarande | But yeah, I'm glad that Blizz has never sold lifetime subs for WoW |
| 18:59.35 | Amarande | since it seems like those probably are certain to doom games in that fashion. :S |
| 19:15.57 | Jammer | the games also get quick cash injection when they do lifetime subs... could be good thing if the game is having financial problems but will still be growing afterwards |
| 19:24.27 | Noxy | I want to pay a lifetime sub. |
| 19:24.34 | Noxy | I jumped instantly onto the annual pass. |
| 19:24.37 | Noxy | No regrets. |
| 19:24.44 | Noxy | (I pay in 6mo. chunks) |
| 19:25.06 | fewyn | A new feat of strength has been added for adding the World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria Collector's Edition to your Battle.net account. The achievement awards a sigil and accent for your banner. |
| 19:25.14 | fewyn | looks like they will be announcing that soon |
| 19:25.19 | Noxy | :3 |
| 19:25.50 | fewyn | http://d3db.com/news/id/268-datamined-10310057-patch-changes-unofficial/ |
| 19:26.10 | Amarande | Noxy: Annual passes are one thing |
| 19:26.31 | Amarande | What I'm thinking messed up LOTRO ultimately though was selling lifetime subscriptions at what would (as of now) be the price of a two-year subscription |
| 19:27.21 | Amarande | Then two years later you essentially have loads of people who are getting all the subscription benefits for free, forever, and have to resort to much more insistent measures to continue to gain revenue |
| 19:28.16 | Amarande | fewyn: any new news on a release date? |
| 19:28.18 | Noxy | Meh |
| 19:28.27 | fewyn | no Amarande |
| 19:28.36 | Noxy | I'd be okay with having liftime cash shop-ish benefits if Wow went f2p. :3 |
| 19:28.55 | Amarande | though I'm still guessing after Hallow's End and before Winter Veil (or is it Wintersday? I always forget which is WoW and which is GW.) |
| 19:29.16 | Noxy | Winters veeiil |
| 19:30.00 | Amarande | Noxy: the problem is then they have to push the cash shop many times over to you, in order to get the players to average spending what subscribers would have in cash shop points |
| 19:30.16 | Noxy | The Vestmants of Summer are a bitch to draw. |
| 19:30.25 | Noxy | Meh, no biggy. |
| 19:30.39 | Noxy | I'm just not as irritated by cash shop stuff as other people, I guess. |
| 19:30.42 | JunkHead | http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-920-002232-Gaming-Keyboard-G110/dp/B002RRLQIO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1339875034&sr=8-1&keywords=logitech+g110 |
| 19:30.46 | JunkHead | anyone here have one of these? |
| 19:31.27 | Noxy | Not me, Razer Anansi is what I use. |
| 19:31.39 | Amarande | Noxy: It's not so much the existence of the cash shop, it's when they start directing the game in a way that goes from "the cash shop will give you some extra perks" (which I was fine with, I played LOTRO for quite a while), to "you are expected to use the cash shop regularly as part of the character building process" |
| 19:32.04 | Noxy | Paired with the Epic Naga, I have rainbow peripherals. :D (I have them both set to rotate through all the glow-colours) |
| 19:32.24 | Noxy | Oh, yeah, I doubt WoW will go that far. |
| 19:32.50 | Noxy | They're already been preaching the whole, WE'LL ONLY SELL COSMETIC STUPID STUFF, sermon. |
| 19:32.54 | Noxy | which I love. |
| 19:33.37 | Amarande | Consider that in Orthanc, for instance, you can only reliably get the crafting mat for First Age legendaries from Tier II (= WoW Heroic). However, T2, especially the challenge modes that reliabily give the Worn Symbols, is such a DPS race that it's on a razor wire unless you already have at or near the kind of DPS that FA legendaries give. |
| 19:34.44 | Amarande | And unlike Mirkwood legendaries, where the DPS ranges are close enough that a Second Age that has had its DPS fully upgraded via legacy points will actually beat a First Age one that hasn't had it upgraded at all, and the main benefit is thus the extra legacy points that FA's have, Isengard FA's have noticeably higher DPS than even a maxed out SA |
| 19:35.17 | Amarande | The gap, though, is conveniently closed out by Star-lit Crystals ... which, however, are cruelly rare drops, but hey, the Store is there for you at five dollars a pop! (Each weapon taking three) |
| 19:35.49 | Amarande | In Rohan, they'll also be selling yet another major legendary weapon upgrade (Crystals of Remembrance to get an extra legacy on your LI) for ten dollars a pop |
| 19:36.06 | Noxy | but |
| 19:36.08 | Noxy | its okay |
| 19:36.09 | Amarande | ... and given that every class uses two LIs, and for some of them they're both weapons so the DPS on both actually matters ... |
| 19:36.10 | Noxy | cause |
| 19:36.11 | Noxy | Rohan |
| 19:36.21 | *** join/#wowhead Max (5c90e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.144.230.252) |
| 19:36.32 | Noxy | Rohanrohanrohanrohan |
| 19:36.34 | Noxy | bounces |
| 19:36.41 | Max | Plop, y a du monde ? |
| 19:37.56 | Guest81502 | Besoin d'un conseil à propos de WoW ! |
| 19:38.43 | Amarande | Also, they're end of lifing destiny points so that 5% DPS boost raids need in DPS races has to be paid for |
| 19:38.53 | Noxy | My apologies, this is an English speaking channel only. |
| 19:39.24 | Amarande | I don't think I can even imagine the levels of profanity that would ensue if, say, Blizzard decided to end of life flasks and make us pay money in a cash shop for each one. LOL |
| 19:39.40 | Amarande | (Actually, I think I can. It would probably involve the forums seeing a greater saturation of the F word than the average Joe Pesci mob movie.) |
| 19:39.54 | Noxy | You talk about lotro a lot. |
| 19:40.25 | Amarande | heh |
| 19:40.26 | Amarande | </rant> |
| 19:40.35 | Amarande | summary: Middle-Earth falls to Sauron, Azeroth reclaims a devotee |
| 19:40.36 | Guest81502 | Oups, sorry. That is: I play a Paladin EDS, and my brother hesitated on the class to take. We want to play together, so what is the best combination? |
| 19:40.45 | g0urra | EDS? |
| 19:41.00 | Guest81502 | Elfe de sang ( in french ) |
| 19:41.08 | Amarande | Blood elf? |
| 19:41.13 | Guest81502 | Yes |
| 19:41.23 | Amarande | Okay, you play a Paladin. |
| 19:41.30 | Amarande | Do you specialise in Protection, Retribution, or Holy? |
| 19:42.08 | Guest81502 | For now, vindictive. I think change later |
| 19:42.17 | Amarande | Ideally, if you're going to duo with your brother, I would suggest Protection and having him choose a class that can heal, like perhaps shaman (although shaman will mean it will take some levels before he can meet up with you since last I remember anyway BE couldn't be shamans) |
| 19:42.19 | Guest81502 | Retribution* |
| 19:42.56 | Amarande | That way, you are a tank and healer, and a tank & healer duo can easily handle even most group quest content, provided a quick kill isn't of the essence |
| 19:43.35 | Guest81502 | Shamans is a good duo ? |
| 19:43.55 | Amarande | You could go Holy, but really only if your brother wants to be a druid |
| 19:45.24 | Guest81502 | 0k, thanks :) |
| 19:45.39 | Amarande | Basically, one, you want to be a tank and healer between you |
| 19:45.49 | Amarande | Two, it's probably easiest (especially pre-Outland) if you are using two different armour types |
| 19:46.14 | Amarande | At Outland, it stops really mattering, since then you start actually finding proper caster-stats plate armour so even if you were both plate, you'd be using completely different gear |
| 19:46.56 | JunkHead | Paladin Shaman would be a good combo. |
| 19:47.15 | Guest81502 | Great, thank you :) |
| 19:47.37 | Amarande | wow, I haven't played a prot pally since BC |
| 19:47.40 | Amarande | I might give that another shot :) |
| 19:48.00 | Amarande | as I remember, it was much more fun than trying to tank on my most recent tankable class (DK) |
| 19:48.19 | Noxy | Pally girls dont have much armor. |
| 19:49.25 | Guest81502 | Bye all, thanks ! :) |
| 19:49.50 | Amarande | LOL yeah I remember that from BC. My pally then was a female blood elf |
| 19:50.13 | Amarande | I remember the mail looked like a real suit of armour, but from 40-59 in particular the plate looked like it came from a designer who took the term "breast plate" extremely literally |
| 19:51.23 | Amarande | I also remember that phenomenon seemed to cease at later levels though, since my DK was a female blood elf too, and T10 was a good tin can |
| 19:52.39 | Amarande | Ahhhh, T10. Icecrown was good times. |
| 19:53.23 | Noxy | indeed it was |
| 19:53.44 | Amarande | Eventually found a raid that didn't care about GS and ascended to be one of their A-team |
| 19:54.10 | Amarande | I also remember us cursing a lot whenever ranged weapons and mail dropped, which seemed to perversely be rather often LOL |
| 19:55.03 | Amarande | (We never had a Hunter in our A team, and the only time we really had a Shaman much was when we needed to fill the last slot and occasionally this lady from another guild would run with us on her Shaman) |
| 19:55.51 | Amarande | I think we had something like 3-4 druids, 2 paladins, 2-3 priests, a mage, and a DK as our usual crew heh |
| 19:56.11 | JunkHead | My crew is me. |
| 19:56.13 | Amarande | (Yes, there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth when they nerfed battle rez.) |
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| 19:58.17 | Amarande | So, speaking of raiding nowadays: about how long does a typical LFR raid take to queue for and to run once it begins? |
| 19:58.27 | Amarande | They didn't have LFR when I last played, so I know next to nothing about it. |
| 19:59.43 | JunkHead | the only times i've done it, i was queuing by myself as dps. |
| 19:59.44 | JunkHead | so... |
| 19:59.54 | JunkHead | queue time was about 20-30 minutes usually. |
| 20:00.33 | Noxy | Depends on the people you get. |
| 20:00.51 | Noxy | More often than not it hasnt run too long for us, but I always do it with at least 6 other guildies. |
| 20:01.08 | JunkHead | As for running time, I never timed it. |
| 20:01.28 | JunkHead | And I usually one do half the raid at a time. |
| 20:01.36 | JunkHead | Then have to requeue. |
| 20:05.11 | Amarande | Huh. How do they handle raid lockouts with LFR when you do partials like that? |
| 20:05.30 | JunkHead | well, lfr is dragon soul in 2 sections |
| 20:05.40 | JunkHead | you can queue up for the 1st half, or the 2nd half |
| 20:06.03 | JunkHead | and if im not mistaken, you can queue for them as many times as you want. |
| 20:06.12 | JunkHead | so... you can do both halves one day... |
| 20:06.21 | JunkHead | then the next day, do them again if you want. |
| 20:06.32 | JunkHead | but you can only roll on loot the first time you kill a boss. |
| 20:06.58 | JunkHead | if you kill that same boss again that week, you don't get to roll on loot. |
| 20:13.13 | Amarande | ah. do you still get VP, or do you only get that once too? |
| 20:15.31 | JunkHead | just once |
| 20:17.40 | Amarande | ah |
| 20:17.51 | Amarande | still sounds useful for helping friends/guildies or for more shots at achievements, though. :) |
| 20:18.09 | JunkHead | yeah |
| 20:18.23 | JunkHead | plus if you join, then have to leave... |
| 20:18.28 | JunkHead | you can just requeue later |
| 20:18.46 | JunkHead | you might have to redo a boss and not get loot, but you'll still have a shot at the boss you didnt do. |
| 20:21.32 | Amarande | :) |
| 20:22.53 | Amarande | LOL ... Priceless (wowhead comment): "My guild told me if my sound was too high I'd fail [the Atramedes] fight, so I muted my vent. They don't invite me to many raids anymore..." |
| 20:23.48 | Amarande | Heh, that reminds me though, I think there was actually one game on Sega Genesis or such where it told you you had to reboot to finish something ... and people would wrack their heads over it before figuring out that the solution was to reboot not an ingame device but *the Genesis itself* :) |
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| 21:23.05 | raspy | meah another 46k dps in lfr should get it higher sometime |
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| 21:35.12 | Amarande | Hrm. It might perhaps be a good idea if they moved the upcoming perk Time Off to a lower guild level when MoP hits. |
| 21:35.43 | Amarande | unless there's a fault in my logic, anyway. :) |
| 21:36.06 | Amarande | It just seems to me that the people for whom a 100% rest XP boost would be most attractive are the people who are also least likely to get their guild to level 27 :S |
| 21:36.44 | JunkHead | sigh |
| 21:36.57 | JunkHead | runnign my shaman through BRC with my warrior for xp/gear |
| 21:37.08 | JunkHead | the first boss, has a sweet weapon, and some bracers |
| 21:37.13 | Amarande | and they won't drop? |
| 21:37.18 | JunkHead | i got the weapon on my first run. |
| 21:37.24 | JunkHead | and... every run since. |
| 21:37.27 | Amarande | c'mon now, everyone knows that the drop rate is modulated based on how much you really want the item |
| 21:37.30 | JunkHead | every.single.run. |
| 21:37.49 | deffener | "not at all" |
| 21:37.52 | JunkHead | i've gotten it 5 times now i think |
| 21:37.54 | Amarande | in order for an item to drop, you need to be in a group with someone else for whom the item is absolutely inappropriate and who wipes the group several times during the boss battle |
| 21:37.59 | deffener | *Drop'd* |
| 21:38.08 | Amarande | and whose class meets the ability to roll need on it |
| 21:38.16 | Amarande | this person will inevitably roll need on the item as well and win it :) |
| 21:38.45 | Amarande | unless, like, it's your first run through Stratholme for the achievement solo on a high level and the mount drops completely out of the blue |
| 21:38.50 | Amarande | (yes, this happened to my warlock, pity she is horde) |
| 21:40.23 | Amarande | but that just proves the whole point since I wasn't even thinking about the mount when I was doing the run |
| 21:40.37 | Amarande | I was thinking about finishing up Classic Dungeonmaster and being annoyed because the instance bugged the first time I had tried to do it |
| 21:42.46 | Amarande | (not sure if they fixed it in cata since I haven't tried a solo run since cata. There was a bug in Stratholme where if any of the abominations got to the outer (further away from Rivendare's building) gate in the area where you fight Ramstein the Gorger, the door to Rivendare's building would never open, even after defeating the aboms ... so you had to watch where you pulled them to when doing |
| 21:42.47 | Amarande | a solo clear) |
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| 21:43.51 | Amarande | but yeah, I'm still a little head-scratching about Time Off being on such a high guild level |
| 21:44.22 | Amarande | I mean ... that kind of ability would be most useful to players who don't have the time to play every day, and thus for whom the rested xp is actually a major part of their game experience, right? |
| 21:45.22 | Amarande | But, to get to an ultra high guild level, you usually need to be an endgame guild to have enough activity to level at a reasonable rate - but endgame guilds use top level characters |
| 21:45.56 | JunkHead | eh... plenty of lvl 25 guilds take anyone. |
| 21:46.00 | Amarande | well, unless you're in one of those megaglomerate guilds that started forming in trade chat after the perks system came out and recruit literally any trade chat denizen (probably wisest to turn off guild chat in them. ROFL) |
| 21:46.34 | Amarande | Unless I'm thinking wrong and the purpose of Time Off isn't so much to help casual and limited time players as it is to let hardcore raiding guilds groom a needed alt more rapidly |
| 21:48.18 | Amarande | wondering whether it's "the guild perks that let you do things more rapidly mean that guild rank is thus geared towards players who can't or won't play a given character as much due to limited time or altitis as is common in casual guilds, so as to help them make up for that limited time" |
| 21:49.03 | Amarande | or "the guild perks that let you do things more rapidly are intended to speed up the day to day processes of serious raid guilds such as leveling alts, repping up and preparing raid-related things, so that more time can be focused on the instance" |
| 21:49.16 | Amarande | (it could be both, of course.) |
| 21:49.59 | Amarande | however, while plenty of level 25 guilds may take anyone, it is still a painfully slow process to level up a small friendly guild (such as might be able to make use of many of the perks the most) |
| 21:51.16 | JunkHead | umm... no need to tell me about that. |
| 21:51.21 | JunkHead | I'm in a lvl 4 guild. |
| 21:51.25 | JunkHead | by myself. |
| 21:51.32 | Amarande | when did you start? |
| 21:51.39 | Amarande | cata launch? |
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| 21:52.56 | JunkHead | start leveling the guild? |
| 21:52.58 | JunkHead | umm... |
| 21:53.00 | JunkHead | not sure. |
| 21:53.06 | JunkHead | at one point we had a few members |
| 21:53.13 | JunkHead | and it slowly got to lvl 2. |
| 21:53.27 | JunkHead | then i pretty much leveled it to 3 by myself slowly. |
| 21:53.43 | Amarande | wow |
| 21:53.44 | JunkHead | and then i got from 50% to lvl 4 in a couple of weeks. |
| 21:53.53 | Amarande | one wonders if they should just do away with the guild XP caps altogether now |
| 21:53.54 | JunkHead | now Im tryign to get to lvl 5 before MoP. |
| 21:53.57 | Amarande | although there is also sometimes the thought that Blizzard has since Cata been trying to encourage the playerbase to a social structure of fewer, larger guilds? |
| 21:54.04 | JunkHead | But it's hard to do because Im burne dout |
| 21:54.16 | Amarande | at least, that's what the Guild Perks system seems to have the effect of pushing towards, in a strict mechanics-and-advantage sense |
| 21:54.39 | JunkHead | lvl 5 will allow me to make some more money for the guild. |
| 21:54.45 | JunkHead | and get me another bank tab. |
| 21:54.51 | JunkHead | thats my goal. |
| 21:55.07 | Amarande | although I'm also not sure what advantage Blizzard would gain from doing this, unless there are so many bank alt guilds in existence that the server resources devoted to guild banks are becoming a noticeable cost |
| 21:55.33 | Amarande | (viz. how limited Void Storage is by comparison, making it seem almost "why would one choose this over making a bank alt with guild") |
| 21:55.49 | JunkHead | and BRC is fucking up on me. |
| 21:55.54 | JunkHead | Raz isn't coming to kill mobs |
| 21:57.35 | Amarande | I could see them having to devote more server resources than they're really happy with by there being a lot of one-person guilds with full banks :S |
| 21:58.35 | Amarande | (By comparison in LOTRO, kinship houses have extremely limited storage space, of just 90 total slots when maxed out, vs. 98 from even a single WoW guild tab - plus, LOTRO requires a kinship reach a certain lifespan rank to have a kin house, and on top of this IIRC requires a certain minimum membership roster for a kin to remain in existence, unlike WoW which does allow a guild to shrink to |
| 21:58.36 | Amarande | one) |
| 21:59.34 | Amarande | OTOH, while that would also explain the numbingly stringent requirements for the 8th tab, it hardly explains the relatively easy to get 7th |
| 22:00.01 | Amarande | I remember when cata came out thinking "how many guilds will actually get the 8th tab?" as a serious head-scratcher question. It remains one. |
| 22:01.46 | Amarande | 20,000 gold is pocketchange - the thought is more how many guilds actually have obtained Stay Classy :S |
| 22:07.17 | Amarande | At the time anyway, it seemed that serious raid guilds primarily only kept around those people needed for their raid team, with maybe an alt or two for some folks, so (except for maybe some 25-man guilds) seemed unlikely to even have 45 or 46 maxed level characters |
| 22:08.01 | Amarande | Casual guilds would have the membership, but my experience in casuality is that a casual guild is highly unlikely to have all the class/race combos either, because certain choices are vastly more popular than others |
| 22:14.22 | JunkHead | I just checked 2 guilds I was in previously. |
| 22:14.26 | JunkHead | both lvl 25. |
| 22:14.31 | JunkHead | random invite style guilds. |
| 22:14.39 | JunkHead | 1 has Stay Classy. |
| 22:14.46 | JunkHead | The other only needs a Gnome Warlock. |
| 22:14.51 | Amarande | Yeah, I really wasn't thinking of the "pull everyone from trade" types |
| 22:14.57 | JunkHead | ah ok. |
| 22:23.27 | Amarande | hmmm |
| 22:23.34 | Amarande | a hint to MoP fight mechanics emphasis perhaps? |
| 22:23.46 | Amarande | noticing that a guild perk in MoP is going to give a boost to the healing from bandages |
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| 23:01.30 | Noxy | I RETURN |
| 23:01.33 | Noxy | with frizzy hair |
| 23:01.38 | Noxy | and smelling like chlorine |
| 23:03.03 | fewyn | hi Noxy |
| 23:03.11 | fewyn | i was thinking about taking a dip into the pool today |
| 23:03.22 | fewyn | but i decided to run cat5 all over the house |
| 23:04.11 | Noxy | You and I have very different priorities. |
| 23:04.19 | Noxy | Why are we still friends? |
| 23:08.41 | BlackNet | http://wetlands.simplyaquatics.com/v/Tools/h-b_1885vise/IMG_6494.JPG.html check me out :) |
| 23:08.44 | BlackNet | made in 1885 |
| 23:08.59 | BlackNet | well patten was done in 1885 and made around that time |
| 23:19.31 | Amarande | Noxy, because if people with different priorities didn't work together we'd still be on Molten Core? :) |
| 23:20.46 | Noxy | MEH |
| 23:20.55 | Noxy | We go to Molten Core still every week. |
| 23:23.25 | fewyn | i need more bloodfang |
| 23:23.33 | fewyn | i think i'm just missing chest now |
| 23:23.49 | fewyn | i think i already have all of nightslayer |
| 23:24.01 | fewyn | boob shoulders |
| 23:24.05 | Amarande | Ah yes, transmog made the old raids popular again :) |
| 23:24.19 | Amarande | I also wonder how many untold thousands my Robes of Insight that I have in one of my characters' banks will be worth now |
| 23:24.37 | Noxy | Well I'm still going to keep making you do MC with me |
| 23:24.42 | Noxy | for my judgement skirt. |
| 23:26.18 | Noxy | Amarande: eh, its not the prettiest of colours. |
| 23:27.16 | g0urra | still grinds for MC boxers |
| 23:27.27 | Noxy | rolls around |
| 23:32.20 | g0urra | spins Noxy right round baby right round like a record baby right round round round |
| 23:32.24 | JunkHead | i still do MC every week too if I can. mainly for the thunderfury quest items and enchants |
| 23:32.56 | Amarande | Pity the legendaries can't be transmogged. |
| 23:33.20 | JunkHead | they might change that rule one day |
| 23:33.23 | JunkHead | you never know |
| 23:34.46 | Amarande | Also, pity that death knights have no classic tier sets to transmog from like other classes. (Or can you transmog another class's tier set's appearance onto your gear, as long as it's the right armour type?) |
| 23:35.54 | JunkHead | never tried. |
| 23:36.07 | JunkHead | one sec. i'll see. |
| 23:36.42 | Amarande | Will need to make sure to run Onyxia on my mage and warlock eventually, too, so I can get one of those aurora helms |
| 23:37.13 | Amarande | Having just come from LOTRO, I can say, cosmetic customisation = <3 |
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| 23:38.36 | JunkHead | ah wait. |
| 23:38.43 | JunkHead | hmm... sec |
| 23:39.34 | JunkHead | nope. |
| 23:39.59 | JunkHead | "you must be able to equip an item to use it's appearance." |
| 23:40.26 | Amarande | Pity. |
| 23:43.25 | Amarande | LOTRO had similar limitations, though, unless you put the item in your account's Wardrobe space first |
| 23:43.41 | Amarande | Maybe we'll get a feature like that in WoW someday too ... |
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