IRC log for #wowhead on 20110822

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00:08.03Interestty though
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00:30.09wingsolidwhats the easiest way to explain the valiona fight to a tank?
00:31.26Jammertank the dragon in middle, don't get hit by the whirlies or deep breath?
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00:59.09Mr_Rabies<wingsolid> whats the easiest way to explain the valiona fight to a tank?
00:59.15Mr_Rabiesshift click the dungeon journal
00:59.16Mr_Rabies:p
01:16.53StormkittyAttempted conspiracy: http://i.imgur.com/5fGK8.jpg
01:19.37wingsolidi have another question
01:20.00wingsolidfor the council fight in 2nd phase when he does the earth and the air which one do i go for for which
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01:22.44Jammercyclone for quake and gravity well for thundershock
01:23.05Jammeror just get dbm and it'll tell you :p
01:51.23BlackNetsigh :(
01:51.54BlackNetgot my hatchling down and picked up the other tanks hatchling and nuked it for over 1 million before the phase change and i died in the tornados while dpsing his hatchling.
01:52.05BlackNetabout as fucked up as you can get
01:53.51Mr_RabiesHM alysra?
02:00.51nebula169when we first started both of us tanks would end up killing the hatchlings mid tornado, lol
02:08.41BlackNetMr_Rabies i have a very green ot this tier. you tell me if this is hm :)
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02:14.20Mr_Rabiesdo you have a druid healer that's in range of the tank
02:14.23Mr_Rabiesor a boomkin i guess
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02:19.48BlackNetyes
02:19.58BlackNetdruid healer on each tank
02:21.00Mr_Rabiesget your healer to throw thorns on the tank every cd, supposedly it gets modified by the dps buff
02:21.23Mr_Rabiesif it doesn't don't bother but
02:21.27Mr_Rabiesmight as well if they're waiting at all
02:21.51BlackNetnormally have that on but tonight they didn't and i forgot to mention that to them.
02:22.54BlackNetim also going to swap the healers to, he was telling me he's going defensive because his health bar where i just lay in hard and heavy to the hatchling
02:23.47Stormkittymfw Reddit has "Arrrrrrrr! [pir]" as an interface language
02:23.47Stormkitty:D
02:25.04BlackNetwol shows 113k dps from me for that fight
02:25.44ArkaenI just made a sugarry abomination of a sandwich
02:26.05BlackNetlol whats on it
02:26.13ArkaenPeanutbutter, Jelly, Apple Butter, Marshmallow spread, Maple Syrup, and Honey
02:26.27BlackNetoh my
02:26.32BlackNetgotta ask, pregnant?
02:26.37Arkaenno
02:28.15BlackNetbrb rebooting
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02:45.34BlackNet:( skada is still not fixed
02:50.19Stormkittyhttp://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/jpke6/what_are_your_small_circumstantial_trolls_ones/c2e3m91
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03:20.02Mr_Rabieswhat's broken in skada, BlackNet
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03:21.10BlackNetthe skinning feature
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04:07.43Arkaenjust http://www.wowpedia.org/Puzzle_Box_of_Yogg-Saron
04:07.46Arkaenthis is terrifying
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04:09.52LugburzArkaen: tf2 or LoL?
04:09.59Arkaenwhat
04:10.05ArkaenTF2 is an FPS
04:10.07ArkaenLoL is a MOBA
04:10.17Lugburzwhich one should i play right now
04:10.23Lugburzi dont know what i want to do :|
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04:10.26Arkaenread that wowpedia page I linked
04:10.28Arkaenes terror
04:10.52Lugburzyeah
04:10.55Lugburzthats just fuckign creepy
04:10.59Lugburzbut seriously now as well
04:11.01Lugburzwhich game
04:11.02Lugburz<PROTECTED>
04:11.09JunkHead-Workyo.
04:11.12Arkaen"Have you had the dream again? A black goat with seven eyes that watches from the outside." "It is standing right behind you... Do not move... Do not breathe..."
04:11.22Lugburzhi
04:11.23JunkHead-Work?
04:11.35Lugburzyou said yo. so i said hi
04:11.42ArkaenI think he was referring to my quotes
04:11.57Arkaenand it's from http://www.wowpedia.org/Puzzle_Box_of_Yogg-Saron, junk
04:12.03JunkHead-Workmy connection is a bit laggy.
04:12.09JunkHead-Workoh ok.
04:12.42JunkHead-Worki got a priest question if anyone knows a decent bit about them.
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04:12.59ngacnlcqafternoon
04:13.06JunkHead-Workwhat are the stat priorities for each spec?
04:13.32ArkaenAll I know is that casters like int
04:13.37JunkHead-Worki read int, hit/spirit, haste, mastery, crit for shadow
04:13.38Arkaenx.x
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04:14.40JunkHead-Workand int, spirit, haste, mastery, crit for holy
04:14.41JunkHead-Workare those correct? and what is recommended for disc?
04:14.58Jammerint > spirit > mastery > haste > crit
04:15.08JunkHead-Workthats for disc?
04:15.10Jammeryes
04:15.15JunkHead-Workok cool.
04:15.17JunkHead-Workthanks.
04:15.34JunkHead-Workso crit is just... not good. no matter the spec.
04:16.07kullervohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFldBVWFgWo
04:21.58Interestold
04:22.06Interest=P
04:22.40StormkittyThe Internet: where no sense is made. Steam vs Origin being the worst example. Can I change the install path for Steam games? No? Fuck you. Origin lets me, Origin also doesn't need to run in the background. Yet somehow Steam is "better".
04:22.44ArkaenMame
04:23.10ArkaenStormkitty, 99% of us don't care
04:23.11Intereststormkitty: true lolz.
04:23.12Arkaen>>
04:23.14Interestarkaen: yes?
04:23.22ArkaenI read the Puzzle box of yogg saron page
04:23.23Arkaenon wowpedia
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04:23.32Arkaenand so I already can't sleep, so I decided to read some creepypasta
04:23.34Arkaenhow flawless is this plan
04:23.39Interestcool.
04:23.43StormkittyInterest, seriously, Origin is actually way fucking better than Steam could ever hope to be
04:23.47StormkittyYet it's somehow "bad"
04:24.01Interesti'm hoping steam dismantles the retarded dependancy
04:24.13Interestyou know what i mean
04:24.21StormkittyI could fix pretty much 100% of my issues with Steam if I could choose the install paths.
04:24.22Interestalthough i can bet someone's found a way anyways lolz
04:24.38StormkittyRemembering what I've made Junction Points of is fuckin hard
04:24.41Interesti hate that if you don't go offline mode you can't play games offline
04:24.54Stormkittyor how about you need to be online to turn on offline mode
04:24.59Interestexactly
04:25.02Interestthat part really pisses me off
04:25.04JunkHead-Workcant sleep? do what i did.
04:25.10JunkHead-Workgo to youtube and start watching the marble hornets series.
04:25.11ArkaenInterest, Stormkitty hey
04:25.15Arkaenmeet my good friend battle.net
04:25.22ArkaenJunkHead I watched those like a year ago
04:25.23StormkittyWedontgiveashitarkaen
04:25.25Interestit's why i keep it offline 99.9999% of the time
04:25.26Stormkitty.png
04:25.28ArkaenI didn't sleep well for a week
04:25.28Arkaen^_^
04:25.31JunkHead-Workit skurred me.
04:25.50BlackNetlol yet another fail pug nef run
04:25.52BlackNetgotta love that
04:26.09Interestlol.
04:26.39Arkaenrofl
04:26.41Interestbtw storm, what do you mean exactly by these installpath issues?
04:26.43Arkaenthis creepypasta isn't scary at all
04:26.46Arkaenthis is badass if anything
04:26.52StormkittyInterest, everything has to go inside the Steam folder
04:26.58BlackNethealer was healing the wrong warrior, the co-tank was not turning onyxia for the discharge. the dps was pulling off him before he got a chance to touch her. the person doing the add's was very sloppy about it.
04:27.00Stormkittywant to install Game X on an SSD? Nope fuck you
04:27.14Interesthmm
04:27.18Interestisn't there some way to negate that issue?
04:27.23Interestlike say, have two steam folders?
04:27.24StormkittyIf it wasn't for NTFS Hard Links and Junction Points I'd have cancelled Skyrim pre-order
04:27.27Stormkittyand pirated it instead
04:27.44BlackNetoh and a mage doing less damage than me
04:27.56Intereststeam is one of the reasons i haven't installed my SSD yet
04:28.08StormkittyInterest, nope, you need to do NTFS Wizardry
04:28.12StormkittyIt's the *only* workaround
04:28.23ArkaenBlackNet, it's not as bad as your story, but
04:28.29Interestand wtf is that, htf do I do that?
04:28.31Stormkittychanging install paths has been the most requested feature for Steam since like
04:28.32Stormkittyforever
04:28.35ArkaenI was in a RFK run on my 32 Durid alt
04:28.36StormkittyBut Gabe is being a dick
04:28.38Arkaenand I was tanking
04:28.40Stormkittyand is basically like fuckyou.avi
04:28.52Interesti think what sucks is we can't just pull out either
04:28.53ArkaenAnd I was top DEEPS as a hero burr
04:29.13Arkaenand we had a keyboard turning retadin and disco priest, and a dualboxing moonkin/warrior
04:29.15Interestunless you wanna do seriously illegal shit and heavily modify the steam client
04:29.25BlackNetone guy in the guild when he leveled his last toon he was tanking, top healer and top damage
04:29.25Arkaenby dualboxing I mean he had the warrior following the moonkin, practically afk
04:29.36Stormkittyinterest, thanks to a really handy command line tool in Windows 7
04:29.40StormkittyYou can deal with this
04:29.43StormkittyIt's called mklink
04:29.46Interestoh?
04:29.49Interestwhich does?
04:30.01StormkittyLook up "NTFS Hard Link" on Wikipedia.
04:30.09ArkaenI used to use that for UI Testbeds
04:30.11Arkaenbut
04:30.19Arkaenit's not just in W7
04:30.29StormkittyI know it wasn't in XP
04:30.33Stormkittyand nobody used Vista
04:30.37Intereststormkitty: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS_junction_point
04:30.39Interest?
04:30.39ArkaenEveryone used Vista
04:30.42Arkaenthey're just too ashamed to admit it
04:30.51StormkittyArkaen, Vista usage peaked at 19%
04:30.53Stormkittyin 2006
04:30.56JunkHead-Worki used vista.
04:31.00ArkaenSo did I
04:31.03JunkHead-Workdidnt have any problems with it.
04:31.05StormkittyConversely, XP usage peaked at over 80%
04:31.10Stormkittyin 2008
04:31.26StormkittyI never used Vista
04:31.35Interestwat is vista?
04:31.36StormkittyIn fact, the only time I ever used Vista was on dogel's old computer
04:31.41Interestwat?
04:31.43JunkHead-Workvista worked fine for me. i didnt read about everyones problems with it. so im not gonna complain.
04:32.06StormkittyJunkHead, when it first came out, Microsoft forgot to make sure the vendors had drivers
04:32.08StormkittySo nothing worked
04:32.19JunkHead-Worki didnt have vista when it came out.
04:32.35StormkittyThat's why you never had issues
04:32.41Stormkittythe initial bad press ruined it forever
04:32.44Stormkittyand Microsoft knew it
04:32.45Intereststill looking for an answer stormkitty, btw
04:32.47Interest=(
04:32.52StormkittyInterest, basically a Hard Link is like
04:32.54Stormkittysorcery
04:32.56Stormkittyand wizardry
04:33.10Interestwell i found a potentially relevant wikipedia link.
04:33.19Stormkittya hard link works like this: I have a folder in my Steam folder. Steam\common\fallout 3 goty
04:33.25StormkittyIt's actually a hardlink
04:33.33Stormkittyand points to games\bethesda\Fallout 3
04:33.43Stormkittybut if you access it via the Steam way
04:33.44Interesti see
04:33.45ArkaenHnnhnnngggg
04:33.45Stormkittyit's still a folder
04:33.49Stormkittynot a shortcut
04:33.54ArkaenThis site has a repost of the Weeping Angel creepypasta
04:33.55Interestso essentially
04:33.56Arkaen^_^
04:34.01bladebladeInterest: are you going to be using old tiers?
04:34.07Interestyou keep most of the steamapp crap on one HD
04:34.14Interestthen put the game "data"
04:34.17Intereston another HD
04:34.21StormkittyIt tricks Steam into thinking the game is still installed in there
04:34.22Interestbladeblade: no
04:34.22Stormkittywhen it's not
04:34.38Arkaenbladeblade, he's gonna be using his dick of course
04:34.40Interestwell that already occurs naturally with some games
04:34.54Interestin my case, anyways.
04:35.12InterestmeldInterest: no balls?
04:35.28Interestmeld(I feel that this is completely necessary)
04:35.41Interest...
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04:36.05bikemeldhey Lugburz
04:36.13Arkaenhey sexyface@c
04:36.13Lugburzohai
04:36.21Lugburzheyyy ;)
04:36.55Interestso uh, stormkitty: are your HDs formatted to do this
04:36.56Interest?
04:37.11Lugburzhi Interest
04:37.22Interestah now this is a nice bit of advice
04:37.30Interesthttp://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11689710&postcount=2
04:37.32Interest=P
04:40.12Interesthttp://forum.notebookreview.com/gaming-software-graphics-cards/560899-how-have-steam-games-installed-multiple-hard-drives.html
04:40.14Interestnow THIS is sexy
04:40.20Interestnot sure if it's legit, but if it is...
04:40.22ngacnlcqaggro a pull of 9 mobs, kill 8, invisibility, all mobs respawn, repeat when cooldowns are ready... do you think it's allowed? clever use of game mechanis or banhammer?
04:40.34Interestngacnlcq: What place?
04:40.49ngacnlcqjust an example
04:41.28InterestUsually they just hotfix it
04:41.44InterestLike the Shamans soloing Firelands trash. They fixed that by making mobs extremely fast.
04:42.02Interestotherwise, unless you're hacking or something, go nuts.
04:42.19ngacnlcqok
04:42.42Jammerdon't think blizzard going to ban you for anything like that
04:42.51Jammermaybe issue a warning
04:43.06BlackNetallowed? why would it not be allowed?
04:44.08EraclitoInterest, SSC :P
04:44.23InterestSSC wat? =P
04:44.29Eraclito[06:40:24] <Interest> ngacnlcq: What place?
04:44.30Interestoh.
04:44.32Arkaenssc your face
04:44.40InterestTK comes to mind, to be honest.
04:44.41Eraclito:< my face is cool, ssc face is serpentlike
04:44.57Arkaenssc kills dumbledore
04:45.17Arkaenhnhdfhdfhkfdh
04:45.27Arkaenhttp://ohinternet.com/Creepypasta/Awesome ctrl-f and look for "The Licked Hand"
04:45.28Arkaenno quotes
04:45.35ArkaenI shat BRICKSS
04:46.24Eraclitoi'm trying to farm the Belt of Blasting recipe, bop, from three nights. i'm hating myself for disenchanting mine in 2008
04:48.58Eraclitofrom the trash mobs i made 600~ coilfang armaments, 26 nether vortex, various BS and LW recipes, a boots of blasting recipe (already known), some bop LW recipes, a blue world drop jc recipe, blue darkmoon cards. no belt of blasting pattern yet
04:49.07ArkaenDuuuuude
04:49.10ArkaenBelt of Blasting
04:49.38ArkaenThat's nostalgic, even coming from a dude who played a warrior.
04:49.54Eraclitoi remember mine, i used crap gems on it
04:49.57ArkaenWarrior is bolded for comic book-like emphasis.
04:50.29ArkaenSince I can't sleep
04:50.32Arkaentime to pray
04:50.36Arkaenand by that i mean play
04:50.43Arkaennot pray because i don't do religion much
04:50.46Lugburzlol
04:51.06Lugburzugh my internet ;;
04:58.45Interestanyone know a good site that shows the health of all mobs in WoW?
04:59.11ngacnlcqwowhead..
04:59.17Interestit doesn't
04:59.23Interestit doesn't even show firelands boss health for god's sake
04:59.25ngacnlcqbtw, Qaddfai was shot down?
04:59.34Interest=(
05:01.07Lugburzno idea
05:03.25Interestwell this is starting to become a bit of an issue... o.0
05:03.37Interesttrying to give deathwing 666 million health on normal mode
05:03.47Lugburzlol
05:04.25Interestwait. no that's not a problem. deathwing won't have a hard enrage
05:04.27Interest=P
05:05.46Lugburzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dA2zy0hLbs&feature=player_detailpage#t=60s sups
05:10.43wingsolidsomeones asking my progression in t11
05:10.47wingsolidi dont get it
05:12.42BlackNetthey wanna kjnow how many raid bosses you ahve down
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05:18.28dogelblademeld
05:23.00Interesthttp://www.worldoflogs.com/zones/Firelands/Ragnaros/
05:23.01Interestlawl.
05:37.26BlackNet?
05:41.17Arkaenfuck you blizzard
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05:41.27Arkaenback in my day your unstuck tool didn't involve hearthing >:(
05:42.00ArkaenHave to spend 5-10 mins flying back to ICC tho
05:42.21ArkaenWas doing the Argent Tourny dailies for free heirlooms from the CS lol
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05:43.13JunkHead-Workim starting to get sleepy.
05:44.10Interestjeez. ragnaros is pretty fucking intense.
05:44.21Interestthis is gonna be hard to match, but i think i can do eet.
05:57.51ngacnlcqask for help
05:57.59ngacnlcqAny cutback provisions would provide that registrations must include at least 25% of the Series B Preferred Shares requested to be included and that directors, officers, employees, consultants, and holders of common shares and other Preferred Shares must be cut back before the holders of Series B Preferred Shares would be cut back.
05:58.57ngacnlcqAny cutback provisions would provide that registrations must include at least 25% of the Series B Preferred Shares (which are) requested to be included and that directors, officers, employees,
05:59.02ngacnlcqright?
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06:34.27robokittyKITTENS!
06:34.56Interestugh. phase 1 is so hard to make.
06:35.03robokitty:?
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07:02.51Lugburzrobokitty: hai
07:02.57Lugburzrobokitty: http://www.usaprocyclingchallenge.com/stages/stage-2 indulge
07:03.26Lugburzthis whole race is shit fuckingly stupid
07:03.35Lugburzaka rofl prologue of nothingness
07:03.38Lugburzthen a normal stage
07:03.47Lugburzthen a wtf tour de france queen mountain stage
07:03.52Lugburzthen an uphill time trial
07:04.18Lugburzoh yeah next day is a breakaway friendly stage
07:04.45Lugburzthen more stupid mountains
07:05.24Lugburzand last stage is mountainous circuits to city circuit :|
07:05.31Lugburzwhat the fuck does us biking think its doing
07:06.52Owkkuricycles over Lugburz
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07:07.05Lugburzis hurt even more from crashing
07:07.07LugburzQQ
07:07.11LugburzY U SO MEEN
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07:41.07rosemounthttp://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss171/nobody1993/fn_CKMJH.jpg lol so true
07:43.13hyljegreat stacked watermarks bro
07:44.17robokitty:P
07:44.22Juippisthat picture has seen the internet!
07:44.30Juippisor, the internet has seen that picture
07:45.23hyljesilly Juippis pictures are inanimate and cannot see
08:04.15ArkaenI'm half asleep so I just undercut myself on the AH
08:09.13stuffuck you, inkscape, for being a piece of shit :|
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10:07.56BundyAnyone who has figured out if transmogriffing is tier piece to tier piece only?
10:08.01Bundyhm, i cant be, i guess
10:08.06Bundycause the older sets are much bigger
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10:18.34rosemount5th on damage done
10:18.38rosemountin wsg
10:18.54rosemount5th on killing blows
10:21.03rosemounton horde side that is
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10:23.07rosemountlvl 10 ftw
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10:46.09rosemountlvl 12 mages dealing 120+ dmg a cast
10:46.24rosemountmy pityful arrows of a lvl 10 hunter.... fail
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14:40.46robokittykittens
14:40.59hyljekitty druids
14:41.23robokittynoes, just kittens
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15:13.44robokittyDjones_, did I show you my transmogryph item for 4.3?
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15:35.47Juippisrobokitty: link!
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15:45.19robokittyhttp://www.wowhead.com/item=13383 :3
15:45.58Juippisoh, .... brilliant!
15:46.24robokitty:D
15:50.25TikiPriesti didnt read it as minstril at first
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15:52.58Djones_robokitty, yes :p
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16:27.06rosemountsoo
16:27.17rosemountafter the party left me in bfd alone
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16:27.31rosemountI ran back to the entrance to turn in quests
16:27.46rosemountand out of nowhere, a crustacean attacked me
16:27.49rosemountI was lvl 20
16:27.53rosemountf2p dude
16:28.06rosemountand all of the mobs in bfd are 22+
16:28.10rosemountsee
16:28.12rosemountwhat happened
16:28.17rosemountI beat the fucking crustacean
16:28.23rosemountHOW DARE IT ATTACK ME
16:29.51robokitty:|
16:30.18rosemountAlso
16:30.30rosemountI'm surprising I'm doing this well in high level dungeons
16:30.39rosemountI haven't died a single time yet
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16:31.28rosemountI mean, BFD and Stockades are on the very upper spectrum of level difficulty I can access
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16:32.05hyljenot even heroics
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16:33.58rosemountI have 1.3k health. can I tank heroics?
16:35.56kullervonah, you'd need like 8k
16:36.28rosemountok cool I should have that around lvl 50?
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16:36.40rosemountnvm I'm staying f2p anyway
16:36.52rosemountGotta help out all the poor new players
16:37.23kullervowhy does paladin have the only aoe skill in the game that seems to do LESS total damage vs multiple targets?
16:38.47rosemountdon't get me started on how I have to rely on frequent target switching because my only aoe skill is crusader strike with a 15sec cooldown?
16:38.55rosemounter
16:38.57rosemountthat is
16:39.00rosemountavenger's shield
16:39.22hyljeha
16:39.23kullervothat's okay, until you have >9000 AP the main source actually is the SoT DoT
16:39.30rosemount:(
16:39.34rosemountat level 20 mind you
16:39.42kullervoyes, you should have that seal already
16:39.42rosemountI don't even have consecration
16:39.57rosemountwhat seal
16:40.00rosemountcommand?
16:40.01rosemountno
16:40.09kullervowhen I leveled 80-85 it really was my #1 damage source on aoe packs
16:40.22rosemountnods
16:40.25hyljeyea, you leveled 80-85 while at level 20
16:40.27hyljecool story
16:40.30kullervonah
16:40.40kullervopoint was I believe it to scale the same way on lower levels
16:40.48rosemountah
16:40.59kullervobut it seems you get that on lvl 44 now
16:41.26kullervoyou might guess how "OMGWTFISTHISBULLSHIT" surprised I was when I learned mages no longer get Blizzard at lvl 18
16:41.41hyljeall of your hate
16:42.02kullervoI'm not actually capable of hating >_>
16:42.16hyljenow you are
16:42.23kullervooh?
16:42.31hyljedur
16:42.56kullervorosemount: avenger's shield deals some ridiculously OP damage though so you're good
16:43.14rosemountoh? :p
16:43.26rosemountI'm a tank
16:43.30rosemountI'm not dps >:>
16:43.43kullervo...
16:43.43rosemountright
16:43.45rosemountthey
16:43.47kullervodamage = threat
16:43.48rosemountshould lower damage
16:43.58rosemountThey nerfed threat
16:44.08hyljehotfixed out of the game
16:44.09kullervono, then they should increase threat even more
16:44.19kullervoand tanks STILL have to use threat meters
16:44.25rosemountI do
16:44.28Djones_aren't they buffing it so we get 500% threat?
16:44.30kullervotank switches etc
16:44.35kullervoDjones_: already live
16:44.39Djones_sadface
16:44.45hylje300% -> 500%
16:44.50kullervoour arcane no longer uses invis in his rotation
16:44.56rosemountI had to use threat meters in BFD, fighting lvl 25-27 for aggro
16:45.10kullervoand now tank switches suck even more
16:45.11hyljetwo tanks is the only part where threat numbers matter
16:45.29hyljeand even then taunt timing and the like help out
16:45.43kullervobecause that 10% less dps from the other tank really does mean the other tank WILL pull aggro by accident
16:46.03hyljeTHE OTHER TANK SHOULDA SHIFTED INTO CAT
16:46.12kullervoWE GOT NO FERALS OK
16:46.13rosemountor clicked off righteous fury
16:46.28kullervorosemount: that's horribly impractical
16:46.36rosemounti guess
16:46.43kullervoalso the tank that should do the most damage is warrior, though most of them suck
16:46.53kullervoand for them stance stancing would be terrible
16:46.55hyljeDURID IS BEST FOR FITE
16:47.06rosemountdance stancing right
16:47.11blademeldkullervo: MOAR DEEPS
16:47.13kullervoCAT DURID IS BEST FOR FITE
16:47.14hyljestance dancing
16:47.19hyljemore dots
16:47.23rosemountdore mts
16:47.25rosemounteh
16:47.32kullervoBARE DURID B 4 TNAK
16:48.42hyljestance dancing is pretty small time
16:48.47hyljedruids class dance
16:49.45blademeldkullervo: wouldn't it be nice if they gave tanks a low threat/high damage ability?
16:49.59kullervoblademeld: yes
16:50.01kullervohmm thunder
16:50.06hyljeyup
16:50.10hyljethunder
16:50.19kullervoI thought I momentarily went blind but then I heard the sound
16:50.27hyljeor just enabled all tank classes to quickly switch to a decent dps rotation
16:50.47kullervohylje: I told the dps to stop with the goddamn misdirects at ragnaros
16:51.10hyljethey sure got told
16:51.21kullervonah listen
16:51.32kullervoon tank switch I'd cast salvation and myself after tank switch just to find myself STILL having aggro
16:51.42hyljeheh
16:51.42kullervosalvation on myself*
16:51.50hyljeis that a bubble
16:51.55blademeldstop touching rag?
16:51.58blademeldhylje: no
16:52.08blademeldbubbles are HoP and DS
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16:52.24kullervowhat I find I do with tanks who fail to prepare their high threat skills for tank switches, I just run out of range
16:52.33hyljedurr
16:52.42kullervotbh I could just do that before a tank switch so they'd get 130%
16:53.05kullervoit becomes less of a problem after the first switch anyway
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17:00.02BlackNetkullervo yea threat is kinda botched since they went to vengeance
17:00.29kullervoBlackNet: in that particular fight, especially as a warrior, it shouldn't matter
17:00.47BlackNetlemme scroll up and read all of it
17:00.49kullervothey get a steady supply of vengeance both from their.. whatever the skill was, and the burning blood dot
17:01.24BlackNetwe had some serious aggro issues on rhyolith to start, dps was nuking stuff outside melee range, i.e. other side of the platform. could not understand why i was unable to pick them up
17:01.42kullervoehh?
17:01.55kullervowas it melee doing that? Just tell all of the ranged players to stack on you
17:02.15BlackNetthe changes to threat has already been put in place. mostly you see it in dungeons
17:02.38BlackNetkullervo no it was ranged doing it. the add's were outside my target distance
17:02.47kullervoat the ZA bear boss I have literally gone to make a sandwich after the first 10 seconds
17:03.00kullervoBlackNet: good, if ranged nuke the adds it means they'll come to you
17:03.16kullervoif ranged stand away from you, they'll die and you get to tell them they suck
17:03.31BlackNetbut they were not. they were going to the ranged even with misdirect going, the add's were not in my target range either.
17:04.03kullervoyou seem to miss my point!
17:04.24BlackNeti jumped all over them and said that's not how threat works. after my cussing session they cleaned up the slop and doing it right now
17:04.30BlackNetoh they were going down fast and hard
17:04.59BlackNetmelee i didnt' have a problem with, they were driving
17:05.25kullervowell *our* melee cleaves wildly when the boss has to go straight
17:05.52kullervoand that is okay because I have so many taunts
17:06.27BlackNetcheck this out, was working on the atomic fire chicken yesterday right. a healer goes down, he was down for the longest time to, then my ot went down. i killed my add, picked up his add and nuked it for over 1 mil before and durring the phase change. it got me in p2
17:06.40kullervoon the what
17:07.02BlackNetatomic fire chicken :) a.k.a. alysrazor
17:07.16kullervoI get people can be bad with names but why come up with a more difficult one
17:07.30rosemountWhat. has. happened. to watching videos on Youtube
17:07.37kullervorosemount: hmm?
17:07.51BlackNeti did record it and it's on youtube now actually lol
17:08.12kullervoBlackNet: you noob, it sounds like you let the add kill dps players
17:08.15kullervoshould've picked it up
17:08.17rosemountthe 10 most recent videos I've clicked in the last few days were all blocked by stupid brands
17:08.30kullervoinstantly that is
17:08.40BlackNetyea from across the platform outside target range
17:08.48rosemountCan't they fuckin' cut off the audio if they don't want me to listen to their music?
17:09.13kullervothey used to do that
17:09.20rosemountWhat happened to it
17:09.20kullervobut it wasn't evil enough
17:09.33BlackNeti averaged 113k for that fight
17:09.45kullervoactive?
17:09.53BlackNethttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUj1fKvLYyw
17:10.23kullervobear in mind the "regular" phases will lower your effective dps greatly
17:10.30BlackNetit's somewhat funny but also down right sad, esp when you see the bottom right box, that's damage taken by spell
17:11.39kullervoyou're still usign one holy power finishers
17:12.13kullervoalso when you picked up that add you didn't use the AS proc which should be #1 priority, instead resorting to holy wrath
17:12.18BlackNetworking on that. was able to pull 15-16k in a dungeon last night by just using 3
17:13.01BlackNeti wanna see 150k on that fight!
17:13.11kullervothe only time I use <3 hopo for a finisher is when I'm certain I can pull off a 3-point SD+AW crit during the inq
17:14.11BlackNeti do have some visual problems on that fight, brushfires under/around the hatchling i just cant see. i have to pay extra attention to them
17:14.37kullervoI just dodge them beforehand
17:14.47BlackNetseveral times i thought there were some under it so i moved but it wasn't
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17:14.49kullervoeven though my color perception is ridiculously good
17:14.59rosemount> AS proc
17:15.04rosemountI want that at lvl 20
17:15.13BlackNettrying to do them before hand but a few times didnt' hapen
17:15.15BlackNethappen
17:15.26kullervoit's too late anyway if it's already under the bird and going your way >_>
17:15.54BlackNethad a few go sideways under the bird. had like 3-4 around me at one point.
17:16.16BlackNetbut in that one i clearly screwed up about 1-2 mins in with the brushfire
17:16.18kullervoyou're lying
17:16.27BlackNet?
17:16.27kullervothey don't cast that fast
17:16.49BlackNethad reports last night they were double casting stuff
17:16.57kullervothere's always like 15 yards between each brushfire if they magically cast in the same direction
17:17.08BlackNetand one fight had 2 up on the same side
17:17.09kullervoeven if*
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17:18.29BlackNetmy ot keeps going down for weird reasons
17:19.05BlackNethad a druid full time on him and a priest (went down early in and got a brez) so he should not be having issues like that
17:19.27kullervois he a warrior
17:19.36BlackNetyes
17:19.40kullervoI have noticed our warrior gets randomly killed more often than the goddamn DK
17:20.01BlackNettonight the gm's brother is bringing his bear in and not his hunter
17:20.20kullervoexpect mad deeps
17:20.24BlackNetthe ot is really dps but his other spec was tank and we were in need of one
17:20.26kullervo(though the warrior should still do higher)
17:20.51BlackNetit's clear in the video he is capable of doing the damage and even from the logs but damned if he cant stay alive to finish it
17:21.25Arkaenhttp://www.pcgamer.com/2011/08/22/diablo-3-lead-designer-on-lack-of-offline-mode-the-game%E2%80%99s-not-really-being-played-right-if-it%E2%80%99s-not-online/?diablo
17:21.38BlackNetoh that mini action bar between the 2 health bars is the one i have been working on.
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17:22.25BlackNetim going to put common things each class would use on there and auto sense talents/class
17:23.40BlackNeti think i have my side good on that fight, just gotta get the dps to interrupt right, ppl not to stand in shit and the ot to not die
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17:34.13g0urragoddamnit, the second I'm going to take a screenshot of hall of legends it get swarmed
17:41.11kullervoregarding retribution dps, wouldn't it be beneficial to use divine purpose procs such that Inq>DP/TV>CS>TV ?
17:42.04g0urraI assume that you already have 3 HP when divine purpose procs?
17:42.20kullervono matter where it procs the cast will still count as 3HP
17:42.37g0urrayeah but you can't cast TV after Inq.
17:42.44g0urraif you had 0 HP.
17:42.54kullervoobviously inq isn't cast if it doesn't have to be cast >_>
17:43.40g0urraso you mean priority
17:43.43kullervoyes
17:44.22g0urrait's simple: if you have 12 sec less of inq, cast it, otherwise TV
17:44.27kullervononono
17:44.27g0urraor zealotry if you feel like it
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17:44.48kullervoI'm considering Inq>DP/TV>CS>TV vs Inq>CS>TV
17:45.28g0urraDP = Divine Purpose or Divine Plea?
17:45.28kullervobecause EJ suggests the latter
17:45.32kullervodivine purpose
17:46.21g0urrawtf does DP/TV mean then
17:46.29kullervoTv if you have DP proc
17:46.55kullervoor is that just assumed as "you have 3 holy power now" in the rotation?
17:46.57g0urraI am so lost here.
17:47.51g0urraif at any point you have 3 holy power up, don't cast CS (obvious)
17:48.06g0urraif inq has 12 sec or less left, cast it
17:48.31kullervonot 12?
17:48.45kullervoyou could wait to refresh it until it has 3 seconds remaining
17:49.00g0urrathat too, but you would waste 2 CS
17:49.03kullervoelse you'll lose huge chunks of dps on the lost holy power
17:49.27BlackNeti suck as ret
17:49.36g0urraso if there's 12 sec left of inq you'd rather do 2 CS?
17:50.16kullervoif there's 12 sec left on inq and I have... no hopo? or 3 hopo?
17:51.29kullervothis is important
17:51.51g0urradid you read?
17:51.56g0urra<g0urra> if inq has 12 sec or less left, cast it
17:52.10g0urraobviously with 3 HP
17:52.35BlackNetkullervo you throw on dps trinket for alysrazor?
17:52.53kullervoBlackNet: depends on how I feel
17:53.01kullervoon the first 25-man kill I didn't
17:53.04g0urrakullervo: you have 12 sec left of inq and have 3 holy power. what do you do?
17:53.28kullervog0urra: according to you, inq. According to all previous logic, TV
17:54.03g0urraprevious logic = EJ?
17:54.21kullervoI can think for myself too >_>
17:54.45g0urrao rly
17:55.01kullervoat 12 seconds you'd lose one hopo due to the overlap
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17:56.56g0urraif you feel like gambling, and depending on your DP proc luck and CS CD, you could cast TV instead of Inq at 3HP and 12 sec of Inq left
17:56.58kullervoquestion is, do you regain that later in the rotation?
17:58.21kullervoor would not getting procs mean reduced dps in such manner that the total would be lower than if you had used inq
17:59.58kullervoit would be unlikely for you to get more than 2 CS off during the 12 seconds anyway seeing how CS will be on cooldown after the strike which got you to 3 hopo
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18:04.02robokittypokes Djones_
18:04.36Djones_robo, mew?
18:06.03robokittyYou anywhere near Rosie / home?
18:07.19Djones_Yup
18:07.26Djanegot back yesters
18:07.31robokittyAny chance you feel like joining a guild run in FL?
18:07.52robokittywe're one person short of a full group, we even managed to rope in the other Dan
18:07.53DjaneNot today I'm afraid.
18:07.56robokitty:(
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18:08.22DjaneThat was the wrong button...
18:08.25robokitty:P
18:08.35DjaneAlthough I appreciate the offer, but send my apologies. Not raidable for a few days yet.
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19:21.49BlackNetso one of the dps and i just went in and looked, it seems the floor on rhyolith and alysrazor is the same model
19:22.20g0urra....are you serious
19:22.26g0urrathe floor is the same everywhere
19:22.47BlackNetmodel
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19:30.46Arkaenhttp://i.imgur.com/uCnhP.png Just another day in Orgrimmar
19:31.58g0urraʘ_ʘ
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20:41.02winkyay, majordomo
20:42.34kullervofaceroll boss
20:42.36BlackNetgot him down?
20:43.13kullervoon our last 10-man kill I just kept repeating "This is horrible, this is so horrible"
20:43.37BlackNetso he facerolled your group?
20:43.44kullervono, we oneshotted him
20:43.53winkwell, I'm fine
20:44.10winkhe's not really hard. just annoying
20:44.17kullervoexactly
20:44.32BlackNetone guy i know was saying how hard he is and how you needed a set dps numbers etc..
20:44.33kullervoespecially without raid cooldowns
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20:47.46Mr_Rabieswe haven't killed majordomo yet but we're pretty damned close
20:47.49Mr_Rabiesprobably gonna get him tonight
20:48.18winkwe had like 10 2% wipes
20:48.25Mr_Rabiesit'll be our first attempt on him after replacing 2 people in our raid
20:48.26winksilly basically
20:48.53Mr_Rabieswe had one night before, took him to about 10-15% a few times
20:49.10Mr_Rabiesbut our two new guys aren't nearly as well geared
20:49.12Mr_Rabieswe'll have to see
20:49.34winkdidn't look like we failed on numbers
20:49.40Mr_Rabiesso far it's a fun fight though, there's a lot to do but it feels less bs than alysra
20:49.49winkwhen we had the correct number of stacks. and people doing orbs properly, it seemed easy
20:50.15Mr_Rabiesalysra's not hard either but basically requires all 10 people be at the top of their game the whole long fight
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20:52.59winkmhm, I tend to disagree
20:53.12winkas a melee it's a bit boring. and not much to do wrong
20:53.21winkrun to add, avoid brushfire, kick. repeat
20:53.58BlackNet:)
20:54.20BlackNetalso melee can stack on the add and never get hit with brushfire
20:54.23BlackNetgo figure
20:54.37winkdamnit, 6/7 is not enough for server's page one wowprogess
20:54.55winkdamn summer and cancelled raids
20:56.34BlackNetthink i just found my next major income on the ah
20:56.55BlackNetcroc tails = 5.6 -6g EACH
20:57.41winkRag to 81% on first try ever - that's how we roll.
20:57.59BlackNetnice
20:58.15BlackNetthe loot on the trash in that section, is it nerfed to?
20:58.57kullervowink: that's not even at the first intermission though
20:59.08winkkullervo: I know :)
20:59.13winkit's nothing
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21:06.19ArkaenI think of Sword + Board as a free Heroic Strike
21:06.21Arkaenis that good/bad
21:06.23Arkaenc.c
21:07.08wingsolidwhats a good way to advertise for a firelands pug?
21:07.21BlackNettrade maybe?
21:07.39wingsolidi mean like what should i say though
21:07.53BlackNetwhat you need :)
21:08.12g0urrac.c
21:08.18hyljeilvl/achievement/boss goals
21:08.44BlackNetyea gotta throw in gear score :)
21:09.21wingsolidLFM FL PUG RUN PST *BE GEARED AND KNOW FIGHTS*
21:09.26wingsolidis that good?
21:09.39hyljelook fights up on wowhead before applying
21:09.41JuippisStarting Firelands pug, aiming x/7. Whisper me your ilvl (360+), achievement and spec
21:10.02janemake it clear it's not a rep run
21:10.06winkwingsolid: when we had the Naxx dailies I always told them to link me their [Level 80] achievement.
21:10.09winkmost took it seriously :(
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21:10.33hyljeonly let level 80s from two weeks after launch in
21:10.36hyljeno later
21:10.47wingsolidwhats a good  number of bosses to aim for with pugs
21:10.49janewink: i've seen some people that aren't 85 yet try to get into 85 raids
21:11.01Juippiswingsolid: 6
21:11.28Juippiswingsolid: you have been to firelands yourself, right?
21:11.34BlackNetthat pug run on nef last night was horrible :(
21:11.38JuippisI mean expect a shitstorm if you dont have the achi
21:11.56wingsolidwhat if they dont havet he achiv though
21:12.11janejust because they don't have it doesn't mean they can't do it..
21:12.23hyljeachi up to the boss you're aiming at is golden, hm?
21:12.45winkdemanding achievements is a sign of being a douche, in my book
21:12.53BlackNetso question, interrupts on alysrazor, some was saying in the run last night to interrupt that later in the cast
21:12.55winksame with iLvl
21:13.13BlackNetwingsolid so a group looking to get pulled
21:13.30hyljewink: how do you intend to weed out just the well geared idiots?
21:13.32janeI'm not a bad player, I just can't find pugs to do bosses or people that even care to read up on fights :( i still know what i should be doing though
21:13.53winkhylje: the well-geared idiots usually pass the "ilvl/achiement" check
21:14.03winkI'd rather take alts :P
21:14.10BlackNetmy OT on nef last night was not turning ony for the lightning machine
21:14.11winkbut I'm an idealist at tims
21:14.20BlackNetthen he would face plant after the first one was done
21:14.30janeBlackNet: i love seeing that happen... not
21:14.39janehad a pug where i kept yelling at the tank to turn and the guy was just spacing out
21:14.48hyljeyay
21:15.01winkin an ideal world... I'd just take alts of people in guilds I trust
21:15.11BlackNetwiped like 4 times then i looked on wol and discovered the 3rd healer was mostly healing the WRONG warrior
21:15.20winklol
21:15.25winkwarrior = tank, kk?
21:15.34winkgood ol' MC
21:15.36BlackNetwarrior tank and another was dps.
21:15.41BlackNetthe dps was one of the guildies.
21:22.23wingsoliddamn, only 1 whisper so far
21:23.41BlackNeti got blockade's last shield on a trash drop in a troll last night. put it on ah last night for 7k and it sold very quickly
21:25.15robokittynibbles on Djane
21:27.04Djanemew mew?
21:27.08DjaneDid you raid in the end?
21:27.51robokittyyup, went 5/7 with a pug DK
21:28.12robokittymost hilarious drops evar
21:28.15robokittyI got my shield
21:28.23robokittyand we got the random spirit staff dropping 3 times
21:28.28robokittyincluded twice from Baleroc!
21:28.35DjaneWhat.
21:28.42DjaneIs it boe? :p
21:28.52robokittynope
21:29.09robokittyso Wayne and Al got it for their offspec :P
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21:54.14Stormkittyhttp://i.imgur.com/tqtwf.jpg
21:54.35wingsolidwhats a faster way to get jp, do bg's and convert honor to jp or doing heroics?
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22:37.24wingsolidwho is the first boss in firelands?
22:38.18BlackNetthere is no first boss
22:38.29BlackNetyou have a choice of 5 you can hit in any order
22:39.13wingsolidoh
22:39.48BlackNetshannox is prob the easiest.
22:40.01BlackNetthen really depends on the group
22:41.40Stormkittyhttp://www.moxiebird.com/2011/08/peta-has-a-porn-site-no-really.html I smell burning toast
22:43.17wingsolidis beth'ilac easy from a dps point of view?
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22:44.23blademeldaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
22:44.23blademeldhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
22:44.28blademeldhi
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22:55.05rosemountsample lorem ipsum text I used
22:55.10rosemountThe Smartass does not wish to be seen. It is simply not worth it.
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23:34.30dogelblademeld
23:34.39blademelddoggle
23:34.43dogeli'm moving
23:34.52dogelto toronto
23:34.56blademeldklol
23:35.04blademeldr u bringing Stormkitty?
23:35.15StormkittyI wish
23:35.16Stormkitty;_;
23:35.25dogelno
23:35.53dogeli'm going to be the loser kid who transfers halfway through the year that nobody talks to
23:36.11Lugburzgrats
23:36.21Stormkittyblade YOU BETTER BE DOGEL'S IRL FRIEND
23:36.30Stormkittyor I'll come to Toronto and smack you
23:36.31LugburzStormkitty: hey if Im ski bumming it in vancouver youre now my connection
23:36.34dogelgrats? grats?!
23:36.35Stormkittynope.avi
23:36.35Lugburzis your couch comfy?
23:36.42Lugburzdarn
23:36.43Lugburzw/e
23:36.47blademeldStormkitty: I don't go to Toronto often though
23:36.51dogelreality just fucking collapsed on me
23:36.59dogelim getting taken away from my life
23:37.11blademeldmm
23:37.12dogelcongratu-fucking-lations isn't the best thing to say
23:37.20blademeldI don't know what to really say
23:37.26Stormkittyhugs dogel
23:37.30StormkittyIt's okay, he's an asshole
23:37.41dogeli know.. but still
23:38.01Stormkittyblademeld, that's pretty much how I felt at work last night when I found out
23:38.51dogelunrelated
23:38.59dogeldoes staples or some shit sell 16x20in paper
23:39.04StormkittyAND JACK LAYTON'S DEAD TOO
23:39.09StormkittyLife sucks right now
23:39.28Stormkitty16"x20"? ummmm....
23:39.40StormkittyThat's pretty fuckin big. Is it for a poster?
23:39.51dogelstupid ass art project for the summer
23:40.00StormkittyI'd try an art supply store
23:40.01Stormkittytbh
23:40.02JunkHeadIsn't that like...
23:40.05dogeli could just switch out of art when school starts
23:40.06JunkHeadsketch book size paper?
23:40.09JunkHeadsomethign like that?
23:40.13dogelconsidering theres no point for me to take it
23:40.23dogelespecially if she gives us a huge project in december (which she usually does)
23:40.25blademeldgo to dollar store, buy poster paper and cut it?
23:40.30blademeldunless you need thin paper
23:40.38blademeldthan you want bond paper that comes in 16x20
23:40.42blademeldart supply stores
23:40.50dogeli'll look into it
23:41.03dogeli was supposed to get a paper at that size from my teacher
23:41.10dogelbut i kept forgetting to pick it up before school ended
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