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01:38.21kullervohave you ever purposedly used BL on trash?
01:45.12tateno matter of time or day, i see kullervo here talking by himself
01:46.01kullervooften when it's late at night, I see tate replying to my random messages
01:46.09tate:|
01:46.39kullervo:)
01:46.56tateshirt on and a ciggy before trying to sleep once again.. ->
01:48.53JunkHead-Worki reply sometimes too
01:49.02JunkHead-Workbut usually im a little slow.
01:49.08JunkHead-Work:\
01:52.43tatewe forgive you
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02:26.41Corganrobokitty:
02:26.44CorganDeadmau5!
02:30.27Stormkitty"Netflix in Canada supports Nintendo 3DS but not Android phones" loooooooooooool
02:31.31robokittyowld Corgie
02:35.44robokitty(369 Equipped)
02:35.48robokittymaking progress :/
02:39.33kullervoyou're better geared than I am and I'm our MT
02:39.48kullervoalso my holy gear is better than my prot gear
02:39.48kullervowhich is nothing short of ridiculous
02:54.46tatemaking progress idd..
02:54.57tategetting geared priest piece by piece..
02:55.21tate355 atm, way too many bues >,<
02:55.52tateblues* ._.
03:03.24Corganrobo
03:03.26Corgan:D
03:03.45CorganI got mau5 ears :3
03:04.38StormkittyT_T
03:09.32blademeldCorgan: pix
03:09.37blademeldStormkitty: why didn't you go?
03:11.22StormkittyBecause if I wanted to listen to club music from the 90s
03:11.25StormkittyI have DJ Chewmacca
03:11.58blademeldStormkitty: listen to MP3s using a headphone in a concert
03:12.00blademeldbrilliant
03:12.04blademeldeven better if ot
03:12.07blademeldit's the same song
03:12.36StormkittyAccidentally clicked on deadmau5 song once... thought it was late 90s Daft Punk until I read the title.
03:13.10blademeldlol
03:13.54StormkittyI was like "I've never heard this Daft Punk song before... it's pretty shitty too"
03:20.11StormkittyYou'll never be this rich: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kC0VfWkAbQ
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03:24.49tatemeh
03:25.57robokittyCorgan, so did your kitty >:3
03:29.41blademeldrobokitty: end it
03:30.52blademeldStormkitty: lol@vid
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03:44.46CorganStormkitty's a hipster
03:45.29StormkittyCorgan oh totally I'll be wearing a scarf when I build a computer next week too
03:45.50CorganMusic Snob Hipster
03:45.52StormkittyAlso did you hear? Milan Lucic isn't gonna show off the Stanley Cup in Vancouver because he's afraid
03:45.53StormkittyFuck yeah
03:46.15StormkittyThough to be fair it takes a lot of balls to take the cup back to the town you beat to win it
03:46.26StormkittyImagine how Boston would react if Schneider had gotten to parade it around
03:50.21StormkittyAlso Corgan it's not being a snob if I dislike shitty music
04:05.09blademeldStormkitty: no, it's being a hipster
04:05.11blademeld:D
04:05.17blademeld<PROTECTED>
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04:18.12StormkittyEnglish language, why you no have separate words for read and read.
04:21.38blademeldStormkitty: because awesome
04:32.41blademeldStormkitty: watching http://www.youtube.com/user/DCOCAW#p/u/1/4wz4RsLdSeU
04:32.45blademeldawe
04:32.46blademeldsome
04:32.56BlackNetany way to show the current trinkets on the action bar with out dragging them there? say i change them and it auto changes the action bar slot
04:32.56robokitty:|
04:33.22robokittymake a macro with #showtooltip and /use 13 /use 14 depending if its the upper or lower trinket slot
04:33.34blademeldBlackNet: #showtooltip /use itemslotxx
04:33.41BlackNetoh ok
04:33.42blademeldyeah...
04:33.52blademeldrobokitty: u asum
04:33.57robokitty:3
04:34.10robokittydid Shannox 10 HC earlier
04:34.20robokittymy god a control fight if there ever was one
04:34.58robokittyDPS accidently step on a crystal trap = wipe it
04:35.08blademeldwhat's a DPS?
04:36.14BlackNetthat works
04:37.21BlackNethow about action bar icon = the equiped one?
04:37.30BlackNetthe #showtooltip does that on hover over
04:37.48robokittyshould do it automatically
04:38.10BlackNetdoesn't
04:38.35robokittymake a new line after showtooltip
04:38.57BlackNetah gotta be the ? entry
04:39.26blademeldlol
04:39.50blademeldrobokitty: it's funny because I know how to make macros, but I don't use macros
04:40.09BlackNetshows the name on the action bar, i.e. 'trink1' and 'trink2' which is the name
04:40.24blademeldI made one that does single HotR with shift mod for CS, but I just use HotR all the time anyway
04:41.02BlackNetworking on this plugin that shows block and avoidance on these labels
04:41.52blademeldI need to watch more Disney movies
04:41.56blademeldDISNEY
04:41.59blademeldDISSSSNEY
04:42.21BlackNetthere, i did space and double space for the names :)
04:42.51robokittyhttp://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/05/world/asia/05korea.html?_r=2 silly Koreans
04:43.40blademeldrobokitty: there's no srs Koreans under the age 30, and there's no silly Koreans over the age 30
04:46.32robokittylies
04:46.34robokittyyou're all silly
04:46.43BlackNetbeen adding on the procs to classtimers and junk like that
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05:26.52robokittyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4t6zNZ-b0A :|
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06:59.27Corgan[06:59am] Stormkitty: [03:50:20] Also Corgan it's not being a snob if I dislike shitty music
06:59.53CorganNot being able to admit that some music you don't like is good makes you a dick
06:59.55Corganand a snob
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15:51.50Irrelephantanyone here know a lot about current computer hardware?
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16:11.02Mori-nekoA decent amount...
16:11.07Mori-nekoWhat's up?
16:11.26IrrelephantBuilding a new machine tomorrow
16:11.32IrrelephantBuying parts today. A little out of touch with tech
16:11.46Mori-nekoBudget?
16:12.09Irrelephant£800-900
16:12.22Mori-nekoAny parts you've already got?
16:12.22IrrelephantBut I have an SSD covered elsewhere
16:12.30Irrelephantsimilarly monitors/keyboard mouse/gamepad
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16:12.49Mori-nekoI don't consider monitor/peripherals part of computer budget, most of the time :P
16:13.07IrrelephantMhmm, same, but it's good to make sure no presumptions are present when asking advice.
16:13.09Mori-nekoBut, you need case/PSU/optical/hdd in that, yes?
16:13.20IrrelephantYeah
16:13.25IrrelephantI'm giving away my current PC to my gf
16:14.01Mori-nekoFor budgets under a thousand, my general rule of thumb is to look at the Phenom II (AMD) procs first
16:14.04IrrelephantYup
16:14.21IrrelephantI can pick up the 3.3ghz six core one for cheaper than the intel i5 3.3ghz quad core one
16:14.27Mori-nekoThe X6 is a pretty sweet chip, and the boards for it aren't so bad
16:14.33IrrelephantAye, that's where I get stuck
16:14.38IrrelephantI know bugger all about mobo's nowadays, at all.
16:14.47IrrelephantThey have all the features and i look at them and go .......right.
16:15.05Mori-nekoQuestion 1: Do you have any particular desire to run multiple video cards?
16:15.10IrrelephantNot right now
16:15.16Mori-nekoBut in the future yes?
16:15.37IrrelephantPotentially. Yeah. I'm looking at the 560/570 range now, and it seems reasonable the best upgrade later on would just to buy a second one of those in a couple years time
16:16.01Mori-nekoLook at the 580s, they're at a great price point right now.
16:16.22IrrelephantErrr
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16:17.01IrrelephantEither the site I'm using is selling them extortionately high
16:17.12IrrelephantOr i'm not convinced :p
16:17.14Irrelephant£400
16:17.38HydrocrankVad är det du köper?
16:17.51Mori-nekoI was seeing 580s for like 314 last week
16:18.33Hydrocrank?
16:18.33Irrelephantebuyer has them at £372 or higher
16:18.43Irrelephantwhich I think is a little higher than I'd like
16:18.45Mori-nekoThat might've gone away since then, though :/
16:18.52IrrelephantConsidering the 570's are £250
16:18.58Irrelephantand the 560's a lot cheaper even than that.
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16:19.20HydrocrankTittar du på datorskärmar?
16:19.34IrrelephantI appreciate it's one of those difficult things
16:19.41Irrelephantis the 580 dramatically better than the 570?
16:19.46Irrelephant(i'm currently in a 460)
16:20.06HydrocrankÅh, du talar om grafikkort.
16:20.40Mori-nekothe 580 is better, but it also depends somewhat on which actual card you're going with
16:20.43HydrocrankJag är för närvarande ett GTX 460 också. Jag älskar det där. Jag fick den för en stjäla.
16:21.08IrrelephantMori, yeah, I think i'd rather pick up a better quality 570 for £280 than shell out for a poor quality 580
16:21.10Mori-nekohttp://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-performance-radeon-geforce,2997-4.html is a ood resource
16:21.17IrrelephantClickity
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16:22.03IrrelephantI think the 570 is probably my card of choice.
16:22.51IrrelephantAs it sits nicely in my budget, and a second 570 a year or so down the line will be a nice upgrade.
16:23.10HydrocrankDet 560 är billigare och inte sämre på 570 med en hel del om något.
16:23.51HydrocrankHar ingen annan talar svenska?
16:24.06stufIngen annan, du är ensam.
16:24.11g0urraHydrocrank: vi alla pratar engelska här.
16:24.19Mori-nekoFor motherboards, Asus, MSI, eVGA (though they don't have an AMD board) are the top brands, followed by Biostar and Gigabyte
16:24.31IrrelephantYeah, I've traditionally gone Asus
16:24.35HydrocrankYay, jag är inte ensam.
16:24.39IrrelephantI'm just at a loss as to what an appropriate budget is for one
16:24.45IrrelephantSince you can pick them up for £20, or £160
16:24.50Mori-nekoI generally look for something that's got USB 3 and SATA 6 on them, these days
16:24.52IrrelephantAnd i have -zero- clue as to the difference in price.
16:25.02IrrelephantSata 6 is nice, yes.
16:25.19g0urrahttp://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
16:25.28g0urraI like how GTX590 is way lower than GTX580..
16:26.47IrrelephantMori-neko, I was looking at something like this : http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/motherboards/amdam3allchipsetmotherboards/asus/90-mibck0-g0eay0wz.html
16:27.23Mori-nekoIrrelephant- Heh, that's one I'd just been looking at :)
16:27.35IrrelephantOkay, i'll put that along
16:27.45Irrelephantand amusingly that's a significant saving over picking up an intel processor and board
16:27.51Mori-nekoMhmm
16:27.51Irrelephantand as far as I'm aware, better performance
16:28.03Mori-nekoUm, that's where it gets a little tricky to define
16:28.08IrrelephantAye
16:28.50Irrelephantbearing in mind i'm going from an E7400 2.9ghz dual core, a gtx 460, 4gb of ddr2 1066 ram
16:29.03Mori-nekoIf a budget is over a thousand, or budget only needs to cover mobo/cpu/ram, I generally go Intel
16:29.20IrrelephantThe upgrade is massive either way. I'm just looking at a way of playing current and games for the next couple years awesomely
16:29.43IrrelephantI -assume- Corsair is still king of Ram?
16:30.02Mori-nekoThey've still got a pretty solid rep, yeah
16:30.25Irrelephanthttp://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/memory-pc/ddr3-pc3-12800/1600mhz/corsair/cmz8gx3m2a1600c9.html
16:30.29IrrelephantThat's nice, and relatively cheap.
16:30.40Irrelephant8gb 1600 mhz for £54
16:30.53Mori-nekoAnd would leave you room to toss in another 8 at some point
16:30.57IrrelephantYup
16:31.05IrrelephantAgain, leaving it open for a dead cheap upgrade.
16:31.23Mori-nekoYeah
16:31.43IrrelephantIn terms of hardrives, i Have a 128gb SSD available to me, so really It's just storage
16:32.24IrrelephantI've never had a Western digital fail on me, so I tend towards them, even though they cost a little more.
16:32.27Mori-nekoStarting from scratch, I'd probably pick up a trio of 1.5 tb drives and run them in RAID 5
16:32.41Irrelephantmhmm. I don't know how to do Raid.
16:32.48IrrelephantAlthough I should probably learn, I imagine it's not that complicated.
16:32.51Mori-nekoThe board has it
16:32.58Irrelephantahh, nice. I think?
16:33.07Mori-nekoJust a matter of connecting them all and saying "These are a RAID"
16:33.10IrrelephantA trio gives me 3gb in that respect, as I understand?
16:33.16Mori-nekoYeah
16:33.19IrrelephantPlenty
16:33.52IrrelephantInterestingly.
16:34.02Mori-nekoThe way r5 works, basically, is that it takes each bit of data and stripes it across two of the drives, and then tells that stripe on the third drive what the data was
16:34.09IrrelephantYeah
16:34.27Mori-nekoSo, it's a happy medium between 1 and 0
16:34.30IrrelephantMhmm
16:34.40IrrelephantI've been pretty fortunate with Hardrives, generally
16:34.45IrrelephantRarely had one fail on me.
16:35.05Mori-nekoBut, it does happen :)
16:35.09IrrelephantYes.
16:35.21IrrelephantAnd previous behaviour is in no way an indicator of future coincidence.
16:35.55Mori-nekoI generally like WD Blacks, if I can swing 'em. They're a bit more, but they've got a 5 year warranty, instead of 3
16:36.11IrrelephantSeems significantly more than my budget allows
16:36.29Mori-nekoHence why it's an 'if'
16:36.33Irrelephantmhmm
16:36.47Irrelephanthttp://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/harddrives-internal/sataover1tb/westerndigital/wd20ears.html that's the ones i was looking at.
16:36.53IrrelephantThose are*
16:37.59IrrelephantIt -seems- that the 1.5's just aren't money efficient
16:38.06Irrelephantthey're much more than 3/4's the price of hte 2tb
16:38.20Mori-nekoI'd go for blues at the least. Greens are great in NASs, but they're designed to spin down as much as they can
16:38.41Mori-nekoNot seeing those on that site though >.<
16:38.46Irrelephanthmm, ok. That site doesn't have any, indeed.
16:39.32Mori-nekoIf you're less concerned with data at the moment, you can do drives a bit more piecemeal, though
16:39.46Mori-nekoGreens are especially bad in RAIDs, though. They're just not designed for it.
16:40.08IrrelephantI'm not -terribly- fussed with it
16:40.18IrrelephantI'm running a 500gb, 1tb and an external 1tb right now
16:40.26robokittylobs kittens at Irrelephant
16:40.33Irrelephantconsumes with joy!
16:40.44Mori-nekoIn your shoes, then, I'd probably go with just the 2TB black
16:40.50IrrelephantI'm using the external as backup, mostly
16:40.54Mori-nekoIt's a SATA6 drive, and a decent amount of space
16:40.57Irrelephantmhmmm
16:41.41robokittyoi
16:41.51robokittykittens are not for nomming, they're for huggling and patting
16:42.35IrrelephantOkay. I am easily convinced.
16:42.37IrrelephantCaviar Black.
16:43.04IrrelephantOptical drive is just a basic dvd drive. Not fussed about anything more than that.
16:43.16IrrelephantI have a blu ray player in my ps3, don't need one in my pc too
16:43.46Mori-nekoI'd made it a DL burner, but yeah, don't need more'n that
16:43.53IrrelephantI don't really do physical media
16:44.05IrrelephantI dion't even have a dvd drive in this machine :p
16:44.13IrrelephantAnd in my 2 years of owning it, have only been frustrated once.
16:44.33Mori-nekoThe skip it? Spend the money on a better case
16:44.45Irrelephantahh, but i have to install the operating system somehow :p
16:44.55Mori-nekoThat's what USB drives are for
16:45.10IrrelephantI unfortunately do not have Win 7 in usb form, although If I knew how i would do.
16:45.11hyljeor PXE
16:45.46Mori-nekoThere's actually an official MS tool on their site now, to go from a CD to a bootable USB stick
16:45.56Irrelephantoh, nice.
16:45.58Mori-nekoYou just need a large enough USB
16:46.03Irrelephant8gb do it?
16:46.06Mori-nekoYup
16:46.10IrrelephantGot a handy link?
16:46.14Mori-nekoAnd USB install goes SO much faster
16:46.44robokittymy god, if that void storage thingie is what i think it is, I may commence squeeeeeeeeeeeing
16:47.09Mori-nekohttp://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/html/pbPage.Help_Win7_usbdvd_dwnTool#ms_help_topics_at2
16:47.14poeticdragon4gb is big enough
16:47.34poeticdragonI actually keep windows 7 and ubuntu on two super tiny usb jump drives on my key chain XD
16:48.02IrrelephantRight
16:48.11IrrelephantSo if i just make an iso image of my win 7 disc
16:48.20Mori-nekoYup
16:48.25IrrelephantGot it
16:48.30IrrelephantI err
16:48.35IrrelephantWill have to do that on a different machine mind you :p
16:48.54IrrelephantCase wise, I don't really care about flashy.
16:48.58IrrelephantI care about heat and performance
16:49.30kullervooh. VuhDo actually sucks.
16:49.41Mori-nekoI generally like ones that have been designed to keep noise down a bit.
16:49.46kullervoit doesn't offer half as good information display as Grid for what I need :|
16:49.52IrrelephantMori, that is Quite relevant for me actually
16:49.56Irrelephantsince i sleep 3 feet from my pc
16:50.04Irrelephantand i often leave it on during the night for music providing
16:50.28kullervoIrrelephant: I put my machine to sleep mode when I go to sleep
16:50.43Irrelephantkullervo, but you probably don't have a 10 hour render to do.
16:50.45kullervosince what the hell would I keep it online for
16:50.49kullervooh, yeah
16:50.50Mori-nekoI just leave mine on all the time, but I can also sleep through everything
16:50.52kullervofor that I'd leave it
16:51.00IrrelephantI cna sleep through a lot of things
16:51.03Irrelephantbut sometimes I do need quiet
16:51.11IrrelephantBut again
16:51.16kullervoif I manage to fall asleep, you'll be hard pushed to wake me up
16:51.21Irrelephantwhilst i know what i want in a case, I have no real understanding of getting that
16:51.39kullervoIrrelephant: do you heal on your pala?
16:51.47Irrelephantkullervo, not currently, but i have done plenty
16:51.50Irrelephantincluding some heroics in t11.
16:51.55robokittyD:
16:51.59robokittySo have I
16:52.01Mori-nekoI love my case, but it's a little silly ^^
16:52.03robokittyWhat a coincedence
16:52.07kullervosee I'm not happy enough with my Grid setup, if you've seen my 40-man setup you know why
16:52.26Irrelephantkullervo, I have never done serious 25man raiding, I can see a massive UI requirement though
16:52.32IrrelephantI just kept grid pretty simple
16:52.47robokittymy grid simply extends from 2 rows of 5 to 5 rows of 5 :3
16:52.47kullervoGrid is super awesome out of the box
16:52.53kullervoVuhDo is fairly useless
16:53.08Mori-nekohttp://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/cases/cases/coolermaster/rc-550-kkn1.html  and  http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/cases/cases/fractaldesign/fd-ca-def-r3-bl.html#sp3  are both explicitly quiet
16:53.08IrrelephantThe only thing i DID like about Vuhdo was the ability to have frames in different places
16:53.28IrrelephantMori-neko, *nods*
16:53.35IrrelephantThose are both looking good
16:53.40Irrelephantand about the right budgettary
16:53.51Mori-nekoA bit on the "black monolith" side, but that's okay
16:53.56IrrelephantI don't really mind
16:54.03kullervothe only thing I installed it for was that I heard it can have different row lenghts based on raid size
16:54.34robokittyalso, my god, fiery shoulders :S
16:54.40kullervobut I can't even find how to disable the click cast part of it completely
16:54.51Mori-nekoI know a bunch of people running in the Antec 300, too
16:54.51kullervoI've already got a perfectly good and configured addon for that
16:55.01IrrelephantI'm using the antec 300 currently
16:55.04IrrelephantIt's good, but not very quiet
16:55.54IrrelephantMori-neko, the fractal comes with 4 fans already installed, but doesn't have innate usb 3 support.
16:56.04IrrelephantThat said, I have extension leads.
16:56.55IrrelephantWith that, no need to buy additional fans, and it's big enough for decent cpu cooler to go in
16:57.14Mori-nekoI think either of them would be big enough for a CPU cooler
16:57.21IrrelephantTalking of which, the obvious arctic thermal paste
16:57.35Mori-nekoSilver 5 is what I've got on hand
16:57.36IrrelephantI kind of want liquid cooling but i have never had that before :p
16:57.46IrrelephantYeah, i don't think silver 5 has changed in a decade :p
16:57.53IrrelephantI used to be a techy, about 7 years ago.
16:57.54Mori-nekoLiquid cooling is great, but it's a headache
16:58.03IrrelephantYeah, I think, at the moment, i'd prefer something simple.
16:58.10robokittygardenhose + available water pipe = np
16:58.20IrrelephantWith the phenom, I won't OC at all like I would with an intel
16:58.39Mori-nekothrows a rock at robokitty
16:58.56robokitty:(
16:59.04robokittyreports Mori-neko to the RSPCA
16:59.20Mori-nekomews and looks innocent
16:59.56kullervoback to Grid >_>
17:00.17kullervoIrrelephant: http://kullervo.dy.fi/gallery/photos/screenshots/World%20of%20Warcraft/World_of_Warcraft-2011-08-11_01.36.13.jpg
17:00.24IrrelephantMori-neko, in terms of PSU cooling, I tend not to go for stock, but beyond that I don't know what's good.
17:00.52Mori-nekoThere's not a stock PSU in either of those cases
17:01.20IrrelephantThinking this is the last piece of the ps to buy
17:01.25IrrelephantI have about £60 left
17:01.34Mori-nekoI'd look for something that's decently efficient and quiet. Modular can be nice, but isn't necessary
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17:02.20Irrelephanthttp://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/cooling/cpucoolers/noctua/nh-u12pse2.html ?
17:02.45Mori-nekoIt'd do the trick, I think
17:03.00Mori-nekoAnd you've got a PSU in there somewhere, already?
17:03.01IrrelephantIt gets pretty hot here sometimes
17:03.04IrrelephantYeah
17:03.11IrrelephantThe phenom II 3.3 ghz six core
17:03.18Mori-nekoNot CPU
17:03.22IrrelephantOh, Sorry :p
17:03.24Mori-nekoPower Supply :P
17:03.29IrrelephantI have one in the budget
17:03.33IrrelephantYeah, i misread.
17:03.35Mori-nekoHehe
17:03.35IrrelephantBut i haven't settled on it
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17:03.52Irrelephanthttp://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/powersupplies/ocz/ocz700mxsp-uk.html
17:03.52Mori-nekoJust making sure :)
17:03.59IrrelephantThat's the one I'm using currently, never given me any issues
17:04.04Mori-nekoSounds good to me
17:04.24Mori-nekoWouldn't want to go with any less power, given that you're looking to SLI at some point
17:04.28IrrelephantYeah
17:04.43IrrelephantIt -amazes- me how much people skimp and go cheap on PSU's
17:05.08Mori-nekoSome people are shortsighted
17:05.12Irrelephantmhmm
17:05.17Irrelephantsimilarly, cases.
17:05.31kullervothis case is my biggest regret
17:05.36IrrelephantIn my experience, a bad case and a bad PSU will cripple any other decent technology
17:05.47Mori-nekoI love my case
17:05.59IrrelephantI DO have access to an antec skeleton
17:06.03IrrelephantBut I don't think i'll use it
17:06.07Irrelephantmostly because it's too ridiculous
17:06.08Mori-nekoI finally spent the money, last build, on one I like a lot
17:06.14Mori-nekoHeee those are awesome cases :P
17:06.31IrrelephantIt unfortunately doesn't fit my current desk environment
17:06.50kullervoIrrelephant: ridiculous is the new black
17:06.58kullervoDESK?
17:07.05Irrelephanterr yes?
17:07.12IrrelephantHow else do you fit 2x24inch monitors?
17:07.15kullervoI'd have no space for anything if i had my case on the desk
17:07.22IrrelephantNo no, it's not ON my desk
17:07.23Irrelephantit's below
17:07.26Irrelephantbut it's a corner desk
17:07.26kullervoon my old desk, sure, but it was nearing 3m^2
17:07.33Irrelephantand the skeleton just wouldn't fit anywhere in, on, or below.
17:07.42kullervobolted to a wall
17:07.55Mori-nekohttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133188 :P
17:08.12IrrelephantMori-neko, that's not a case thats a Cylon
17:08.23Irrelephantokay. Here goes.
17:08.50IrrelephantCase : Fractal R3. Ram : 8gb 1600 mhz corsair. GPU : GTX570(not sure which model yet).
17:09.05IrrelephantPSU : Ocz 700 watt, silent. CPU : Phenom II 3.3 ghz six core
17:09.20Hydrocrank8g is overkill unless you want to do video editing.
17:09.23IrrelephantHDD : Black 25b, Mobo : Asus EVO 870,
17:09.24kullervoIrrelephant: CL6 1333 > CL9 1600 AFAIK
17:09.34Irrelephantkullervo, o rly?
17:09.41Mori-neko8gb is not overkill
17:09.52kullervoso why not invest in something cooler?
17:10.17IrrelephantCase, Mobo, Ram, PSU, CPU, GPU, HDD, Thermal paste, Wireless card, what am I missing?
17:10.28Mori-neko16 is, at this point, but 8 is baseline for a moderately ranged box
17:10.32HydrocrankYou will never use over 5 and some change with the games that are out. Video editing is the only place where you will need that kind of hardware.
17:10.51robokittyIrrelephant, the obvious
17:10.53HydrocrankCrysus is a diffrent story though
17:10.55Mori-nekoI beg to differ, as I regularly use 6-7
17:11.06IrrelephantI multitask like a nutter.
17:11.11IrrelephantRight now, and i'm not even really using my PC
17:11.11Mori-nekoI do, too
17:11.33IrrelephantI have 100 firefox tabs up, Irc, 2 games, gtalk, skype, steam, antivirus, word, adobe illistrator
17:11.37HydrocrankI don't know what the hell yall are running but you need to check your proccesses.
17:11.59HydrocrankIrrelephant
17:12.01Mori-nekoEvery process running is one I told to run and is necessary for the way I want to use my computer
17:12.04HydrocrankThat is over board
17:12.07Mori-nekoNo, it's not
17:12.08IrrelephantI am a multitasker.
17:12.20IrrelephantWhen I'm -really- using my PC you can throw on top of that mumble, Spotify, switch out one of the games for osmething more intensive
17:12.30IrrelephantDropbox, plus media player classic/ VLC
17:12.32Mori-nekoHydrocrank- Just because it's not the way YOU use your system, doesn't mean it's too much
17:12.56HydrocrankThe way most people use there system is on average 3-5g
17:12.58IrrelephantMori-neko, any validity in dropping down to CL6 1333 ram?
17:13.03IrrelephantHydrocrank, i am not an average person.
17:13.12HydrocrankWhat yall are doing is not normal for a standard gamer/user
17:13.21IrrelephantI am not building for a normal user
17:13.30IrrelephantI am building for someone who uses their PC a lot, to do many many things.
17:13.30Mori-nekoIrrelephant- Yeah, there's some. Latency is as much a thing as raw speed
17:13.44Wardnobody in a channel like #wowhead is a normal PC user
17:14.01Mori-nekoWard- except Hydrocrank, apparently.
17:14.15Wardright now I'm streaming a 1080 tv signal from my tuner card to my network, while fixing some pars, playing WoW and listening to music
17:14.16IrrelephantMori, i think the issue there is there aren't really any 4gb 1333 sticks
17:14.18Mori-nekoFurthermore, it's good design to build in plenty of overhead
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17:14.35Irrelephantthere's no CL6 that i can see, especially.
17:14.52kullervomhm.
17:14.54IrrelephantThe question here then, really is.
17:14.59IrrelephantDo I go 8gb via 4x2gb
17:15.04Irrelephantand have cl6
17:15.06kullervoheh I think I got 700 honor for that TB
17:15.10Wardor
17:15.15IrrelephantOr go 8gb(and eventually 16gb) via 2x4
17:15.21Irrelephantwith cl 9
17:15.30WardI'd go for 2x4 now
17:15.34IrrelephantMhmm
17:15.36Wardbut
17:15.44Wardwhen you upgrade to 4x4
17:15.49Wardmake sure it's the same memory
17:15.51IrrelephantYeah
17:15.53IrrelephantThat's easy enough
17:15.58WardI never upgrade memory gradually
17:16.02Wardit's all or nothing
17:16.06Irrelephantmhmm hmm
17:16.15IrrelephantOkay, on my shopping list
17:16.17Wardbecause there's a risk you can't get the same stuff
17:16.31Wardwhat I did last time, is go 2x4
17:16.36Wardbut I bought 2 PCs then
17:16.36IrrelephantI have Ram, GPU, PSU, Arctic silver thermal paste, Wireless Card, CPU, Mobo, HDD, Case.
17:16.42Warda media center rig and a gaming rig
17:16.44Wardwith the same mem
17:16.45IrrelephantI'm missing cpu cooler. Anything else?
17:16.46Mori-nekoToo bad http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231308 isn't on your site there
17:16.50IrrelephantWard, Makes sense.
17:16.52Wardso I can upgrade the gaming rig eventually with all new stuff
17:17.00Wardand put the old stuff in the media center to upgrade that
17:17.07Irrelephantmori, that looks like nice ram.
17:17.11Irrelephantand very cheap...
17:17.28Irrelephant(i am vaguely aware of the difference in english/american prices)
17:17.40Mori-nekoIt's very, very cheap
17:17.44IrrelephantThe reason I am using that site is there is a store about 5 minutes away by car. And its dead easy for me to pick stuff up
17:17.47Mori-nekoAnd a decent brand
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17:18.15IrrelephantThey have that in 1600
17:18.32Mori-neko1333, yes
17:18.35Mori-nekoDidn't see 1600
17:19.42Mori-nekoOh, there is a 1600, but it's way more
17:19.45IrrelephantYup
17:19.50Mori-neko(~2x)
17:20.58Irrelephantso much ram
17:21.00Irrelephantno idea what to buy :p
17:22.49Mori-nekohttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129093&cm_sp=Cat_Computer_Cases-_-Spotlight-_-11-129-093 is kind of amazing....
17:23.23Irrelephant....yes it is
17:24.03IrrelephantMori-neko, i think i'mma stick with my original corsair 1600mhz cl9 8gb of ram
17:24.08Irrelephantit's pretty cheap at £54
17:24.12Mori-nekoYeah
17:24.25IrrelephantI swear i'm -missing- something
17:25.06Mori-neko:
17:25.06Mori-nekoCase, PSU, motherboard, CPU, RAM, Video, CPU cooler, thermal paste
17:25.16Mori-nekoHDD
17:25.19IrrelephantYup on all accounts.
17:25.22Mori-nekoNot doing an optical
17:27.08IrrelephantIndeed.
17:28.13Mori-nekoI can't think of anything you're missing...
17:29.27IrrelephantFantastic
17:29.52IrrelephantCheers a lot MOri. If you're ever in the south of england. I owe you a beer/drink of your choice
17:30.12Mori-nekoMy pleasure. I always like helping other people spend money :P
17:30.26Irrelephantchuckles
17:30.30IrrelephantComes out to about £890
17:30.44Mori-nekoNot bad
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17:36.01IrrelephantMori, any recommendations on which 570 to get?
17:37.38Mori-nekoI tend to like evga for video cards, when I can
17:37.47Irrelephantmhmm
17:37.49Irrelephantthat's the one i picked
17:37.56Mori-nekothe OC'd one?
17:38.06Irrelephanttyeah
17:38.16Mori-neko:)
17:41.40kirbdeei just got the 570 super clocked from evga
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17:41.45kirbdeeits sexy
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17:43.26Irrelephantmori, 1tb caviar blacks are £40
17:43.29Irrelephant2tb are 120
17:43.48Mori-nekoGet 3 1tb ones, then :)
17:43.55Irrelephanthttp://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/6/16/happysnakereci128580879470596736.jpg
17:43.58IrrelephantMori, indeed.
17:44.45robokittyIrrelephant, oh hell it's not: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4t6zNZ-b0A
17:49.03Juippisthey did WHAT to the MOST FAMOUS line in the MOVIE HISTORY
17:49.04Juippiswhy
17:49.30IrrelephantJuippis, teehee
17:50.05robokittyIrrelephant, you missed a golden opportunity there
17:50.14Irrelephantoh?
17:50.21robokittyWHYY, DELILAH!
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17:52.35robokittyD:
17:52.53robokittyAny news on the "Oh shi-"-front, Morril? :p
17:58.23Irrelephant<Djones> cut the price down to £840
17:58.23Irrelephant<Loaf> mhmmm, that's still a small car :P
17:58.29Irrelephant<Djones> But a small car can't play crysis.
17:58.29Irrelephant<Loaf> sigh :P
17:58.41Irrelephant<Loaf> oh, no, only 8gb ram? how will you cope!
17:59.39kullervoIrrelephant: how much rep do the first 4 FL bosses grant? And then, Balrog and Majordomo?
17:59.49Irrelephantno idea i'm afraid
17:59.51Irrelephanti don't pay attention
17:59.53kullervomeh
18:00.03kullervoI've skipped so many raids I don't know if I'll reach revered this week
18:00.06kullervocould plan ahead if I did
18:01.04kullervo275 for the first 4 and 440 for the "gatekeepers"
18:01.31Juippiswell you'll reach revered next week
18:01.32Juippisso np
18:01.47kullervotrue
18:02.40kullervoooh
18:02.41Mori-nekoSeriously? for anyone with moderately heavy usage, I wouldn't spec a new machine with -less- than 8gb
18:02.55Mori-nekoWell, maybe 6, if they were going the 1366 route
18:02.55kullervoI'll get JUST enough from the trash that killing Majordomo will push me to Revered
18:03.22Mori-nekoBut more likely 3x4gb
18:03.58Irrelephantmori, my girlfriend is not particularly bothered by Pc's
18:04.01Irrelephantshe doesn't PC game much at all
18:04.07Mori-nekoIrrelephant- :P
18:04.41robokitty:P
18:05.36IrrelephantMori, purchased!
18:05.46Mori-nekoIrrelephant- w00t! Enjoy!
18:11.37Mori-nekowants some new computer bits, but is waiting til after PAX and after Intel's released the successor to 1366
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18:21.07LothrikI keep bidding on something with <30min left, and it keeps getting pushed back up to 2-12h remaining. Am I just imagining things or does the WoW AH really do this?
18:23.02Lothrikwow.. it does
18:23.03Lothrikgreat..
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18:23.33Lothrikso basically its going to be impossible for me to win this auction unless I'm more insane than the other guy bidding on it
18:23.45Lothrikand calculate exactly when it's going to end and bid then
18:26.15Irrelephantit does?
18:26.19IrrelephantI've never experienced that.
18:27.05Lothrikif multiple people are bidding on something it will just keep extending the duration of the auction indefinitely
18:27.22IrrelephantI am not at all convinced that's remotely true
18:27.31Lothrikwell, it is
18:27.33IrrelephantEvidence?
18:28.03Lothrikwowpedia.org "If an item receives a large number of bids in a short amount of time, the duration on that item will be automatically increased by the AH (e.g., a Short length will be changed to Medium, and a Medium to Long). It appears that the change in length is to the minimum amount for that length, not the maximum. I.e., a change from Medium to Long changes the length to 2 hours, not 12."
18:28.12Lothrikand personal experience of bidding on something right now
18:28.24Irrelephantposted when?
18:28.36Lothrikthe auction?
18:28.41Irrelephantthe wowpedia comment
18:28.50Lothrikit's not a comment, it's on the Auction House page
18:28.54Lothrikhttp://www.wowpedia.org/Auction_House#Bidding_on_items
18:28.55robokittyto prevent auction sniping, which is only fair
18:29.07Irrelephantahh, I've always had no problem auction sniping
18:29.14Morrilwacks robokitty <3
18:29.15Irrelephantroutinely buying things with 30minutes and it stays at 30minutes
18:29.36Lothrikif other people were bidding on it Irrelephant, it would of gotten pushed up to 2 hours
18:29.37robokittyows and steals Tigger as revenge
18:29.44IrrelephantLothrik, then you need to snipe more effectively
18:30.01robokittyslaps Lothrik with a dictionary
18:30.27robokittysorry, reflex whenever I see "would of"
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18:30.52Irrelephanthaves robo in the kitty.
18:31.04robokittyD:
18:31.06robokittypoor Rosie :(
18:31.20Guest31856:(
18:31.24Guest31856what
18:31.26Guest31856what is my name
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18:31.41robokittynot you, the other Rosie
18:31.45rosemount:(
18:32.09Lothrikrobokitty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7E-aoXLZGY
18:32.58IrrelephantLothrik, linking to Stephen Fry, the largest dick on the internet is pretty much not good form.
18:33.10robokitty...
18:33.35robokittyIf you were reciting Shakesperian plays, I'd let you get away with it
18:33.47robokittyBeing lazy does not qualify
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18:36.55IrrelephantThat video really solidifies my general disdain for Fry.
18:38.07Lothrikyour personal opinion of him doesn't make his point any less valid :P
18:38.15IrrelephantIt somewhat does.
18:38.40IrrelephantAn argument that consists of attacking those that don't agree for no reason is a weaker argument for it.
18:39.00Lothrikand what exactly are you doing?
18:39.43IrrelephantPointing out that quoting a well known mysoginist and troll is not the best way to get your point across.
18:40.03IrrelephantAlso, what IS the word for hatred of heterosexual men?
18:40.27IrrelephantHeterosexism?
18:40.46Mori_I like Stephen Fry
18:40.51IrrelephantHe's funny.
18:40.58IrrelephantWitty, and good with language, words and a fine entertainer.
18:41.01IrrelephantHe's also a horrifically bad person.
18:41.04Mori_and I think that's an interesting video
18:41.19IrrelephantHe actively says things like "unless you're gay you can't have good sex"
18:41.29Irrelephantand then throws a tantrum when someone quotes him saying that.
18:42.10Ziconirrelephant: I swear, next time you piss me off properly, I'm locking you in a room with Stephen Fry narrating the whole of Harry Potter blasting from the walls...
18:42.21IrrelephantZicon, there will be other things blasting from the walls.
18:42.24IrrelephantBlood, his or mine.
18:42.26IrrelephantAlso, confusingly
18:42.28robokittyI think it's being used as an excuse for lazyness, "ooh I'm being special" "No, you're not making sense"
18:42.28Mori_Eh. I don't need to approve of a person to enjoy their work.
18:42.42IrrelephantHomosexism is the hatred of heterosexuality
18:42.50Irrelephantand heterosexism is the hatred of homosexuality.
18:42.54Irrelephant(which is really quite confusing)
18:43.02IrrelephantMori, I agree to a certain extent.
18:43.41IrrelephantHowever, as seen in said video, who routinely makes it a point to ridicule, lambast and openly attack those on opposite sides of a discussion to him, which to me is no better than an internet troll.
18:44.00IrrelephantThus, in that regard, I would say anyone who uses an internet troll to support their argument has a weak argument indeed.
18:44.09Irrelephants/who/he
18:44.25IrrelephantHe is however, as said above, quite entertaining.
19:11.44robokittyAnd that, ladies, gentlemen, and kittens, is how you break #wowhead
19:13.02blademeldrapes robokitty with a banana
19:13.47blademeldputs bananas wrapped in tin foil down robokitty's throat
19:13.54robokitty:|
19:14.04robokittyreports blademeld to the KSPCA
19:14.31robokittymake that KSPCC, 'coz we all know how you lot like your dogs ;S
19:14.40blademelddefends his rights on the basis that robokitty isn't a real kitty
19:15.32robokittylies and slander!
19:17.26robokittyerh, make that libel
19:22.05g0urratrippin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:4_21_t0_E8.svg
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19:57.38kullervohttp://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/Screenshot-2011-08-12_22.57.08.png
19:57.41kullervolovely
19:59.42kullervomere 56,7% overheals
20:04.24robokittymeh
20:04.29robokittynot worse than me and my rain!
20:04.44robokittythough in my defense, people seem to make a point of not standing in it
20:05.33kullervorobokitty: that was the haste buff boss in the... cloud castle
20:05.34kullervo22:57:20    kullervo >> lovely
20:05.46kullervohmh accidental paste
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20:20.26kullervoJust ganked a hunter on top of some mountain near OG <3
20:20.35kullervopoor sap has to res at the spirit guide
20:30.29Mr_RabiesOG?
20:30.30Mr_RabiesD:
20:34.08HydrocrankWhat did I miss?
20:34.53Hydrocrank...
20:35.03kullervoMr_Rabies: Orgrimmar
20:35.28HydrocrankAnyone from the server Wildhammer?
20:35.30HydrocrankUS
20:53.17BlackNetnow this is interest.  someone just brought up reforging out of mastery and into dodge or parry for baleroc
20:54.44IrrelephantFor off tanking, yes.
20:55.21BlackNetyou mean soak tank no?
20:55.45fewynARE YOU READY FOR SOME FOOOOOOTBALL!?
20:57.22BlackNetdont watch that stuff
20:57.36Irrelephantdecimation blade tank
20:57.42BlackNetyea soak tank
20:58.20rosemountfewyn I AM READY FOR SOME TEAM FORTRESS 2
20:58.22BlackNetwhats your strat for post block cap?
20:58.23rosemountactually...not
20:59.48fewynWHY AREN'T YOU READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL?
21:00.13BlackNeti had a healer jump all over me on baleroc the other day LOL. he was freaking out that he couldn't heal me after decimation strike hit because i was loosing health after it was over. then i linked my trinket i was using and he went off
21:00.15BlackNetlol
21:00.55BlackNethttp://www.wowhead.com/item=68996
21:03.28rosemounthttp://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2973011283?page=3#55 owned
21:03.48Irrelephantwhy would you use stay of execution on baleroc...
21:03.54kullervohttp://kullervo.dy.fi/gallery/photos/screenshots/World%20of%20Warcraft/World_of_Warcraft-2011-08-13_00.00.05.jpg
21:03.57kullervocjecl tje jeaöomg
21:03.58IrrelephantThat's just retarded.
21:04.03kullervoIrrelephant: it absorbs 30% of one hit
21:04.04BlackNetwas trying out various ones
21:04.14BlackNetlook at the on use.
21:04.44kullervoIrrelephant: also, you might be using avoidance stack approach for it
21:05.28kullervoIrrelephant: the 30% scales because atm the damage doesn't actually cap if it's a single blow
21:05.35BlackNetthere was a post about baleroc not having the 4.4% miss chance
21:06.13rosemountWait
21:06.24rosemounthow much health has this warrior healed
21:06.59kullervoI reckon it glitched
21:07.13kullervoalso my Recount displays me as having healed about 38k ticks with holy radiance
21:07.47kullervosingle ticks on one target. and it ticks 16 times with basic haste buffs including BL
21:09.07BlackNetand it looks correct to, according to WOL baleroc does nto have a 4.4% miss chance on decimating blade
21:11.25kullervoohwait overhealing.. but still that's insane
21:11.34kullervohttp://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/Screenshot-2011-08-13_00.11.23.png
21:15.15BlackNetso you poped it and wasted it seems
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21:17.01BlackNetStay Withdrawn 188837 <- LOL
21:17.22BlackNet13% absorbs on that to
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21:51.27BlackNetso if i have a hunter who's getting 6.3% blocked on aimed shot at a raid boss does that mean he's not hit capped?
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22:37.42JunkHeadhey  djane here?
22:38.04JunkHeadOr someone else who knows a good bit about spotify.
22:39.36JunkHeadnm. brb
22:39.41rosemountpoints at limbero
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22:39.52Limberoah
22:39.54Limberospotify
22:40.01TikiPriestits nice
22:40.03LimberoI'm at your service JunkHead
22:40.07TikiPriestjust got google music too
22:41.47rosemountWe're sorry. Music Beta is currently only available in the United States
22:41.50rosemountwhattttt
22:42.11Limberorosemount: apply over a proxy
22:42.18Limberothen you can use it normally if you get an invite
22:46.24rosemountEhh, so no free music, I guess
22:46.38Limberowat?
22:46.45LimberoGoogle Music is for storing your own music
22:47.25rosemount:(
22:47.26rosemountI wanted
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23:01.59g0urrarofl, watching a CNN video about coming up with a "360 degree way to tackle the issue" in britain
23:05.10blademeldg0urra: plan A is also plan B, don't you know?
23:06.13Azelphurg0urra: have you seen the fail videos?
23:06.20Azelphurlike the guy charging at the police with an umbrella xD
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23:13.53JunkHeadLimbero
23:13.56JunkHeadstill around?
23:14.31JunkHeadSpotify question:
23:14.43JunkHeadI have multiple playlists. Mainly each playlist is an album.
23:14.57JunkHeadMy friend wants to know if I can link her my entire collection.
23:15.00JunkHeadCan I do that?
23:15.10JunkHeadOr do I need to link her each playlist at a time?
23:15.16JunkHead(spotify links)
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23:15.47LimberoLink your profile to her
23:15.54JunkHeadDo I need facebook?
23:16.02JunkHeadBecause I don't have fb.
23:16.04Limberoit scoops be in spotify social
23:16.10Limberonah
23:17.18LimberoGoogle spotify social
23:17.31LimberoI'm on my phone ATM
23:17.35JunkHeadok np
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23:37.24kullervonot sure if I like holy radiance + flashlight more than the priest tools
23:37.43kullervoHR becomes insane with tons of haste
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