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00:15.33ArianneHmm... still didn't work
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00:26.37Rawshttp://lh5.ggpht.com/eddie.con.carne/SH7BKqC86XI/AAAAAAAAA_g/oAUx9PSMJ-8/ms_runner.jpg
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01:28.41Rawshttp://cerealbot.org/wiki/Commands
01:28.43RawsThis page is going to get enormous
01:30.29Corganyay
01:30.35Corganrofl
01:30.36CorganRaws
01:30.39CorganI love your icon
01:30.42Raws8)
01:30.44RawsBONERBOT
01:30.45Raws.jpg
01:30.48CorganYES
01:31.02RawsMy test bot on my private IRC network is named Masturbot
01:31.08Corgan:o
01:31.40Corgan<Wheaties> Logged in as kevin! Your access card reads 69.
01:31.41Corganlol
01:31.47Corgan69 yay
01:33.03Raws69 is the best
01:40.59RawsMy bot just timebanned me from this channel for losing a round of IRC roulette
01:41.18Rawsshakes fist
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01:44.16Corganlol
02:02.29Lukian"[Dishwasher]: <Nineteen For Life> - Newest TWINK Guild - Weekly STV Arena Matches - Premade WSG - Friendly People - If you are a TWINK or are in the process of TWINKING pst me!"
02:02.48RawsTwink, I fricking hate that word
02:09.59Inc`Just tell anyone who uses it to google the term
02:10.11Inc`An image search
02:10.24Inc`(I would not recommend anyone in here do that)
02:10.37RawsLukian just used it!
02:16.31selckin1so did you
02:16.55Corganso did i, twink
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02:34.23RawsCorgan, http://cerealbot.org/
02:34.28Rawsbonerbot = upgraded
02:34.41Corganyay
02:46.40RawsBONERBOT ASSEMBLE
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04:18.00Rawslmao http://www.sethwillits.com/temp/squirrel-obstacle-course.wmv
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06:27.19Sky2042"The combat log now differentiates between a spell failure due to resistance and spell failure due to missing the target. Where once both events reported as a resist; a spell missing the target is now reported as a miss. "
06:27.21Sky2042omfg, sex
06:28.17RawsYay
06:28.32RawsIn related news, I think my sleep spell missed me by about three hours
06:57.52CorganBibi i love you
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07:03.44BibiCorgan : why ?
07:03.46Bibi:(
07:04.03Corganbecause
07:04.09Corganalso
07:04.13Corganthat's not a loading screen
07:04.22Corgansilly
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07:12.44Juippiswhoo
07:12.52Juippismy character transfer to another realm took 1 day
07:12.55Juippisonly 1 day!
07:12.59Juippislast time it was 3 days
07:13.43Lukiantickles Juippis
07:14.31Gnarfozmy one and only transfer back in 2006 was nearly instantaneous
07:14.46Gnarfozcould play several hours later oO
07:16.09Zicontickles lukian
07:18.10Lukianpounces Zicon and hugs!
07:18.21ZiconYay, hugs!
07:22.01Lukianlicks Zicon
07:22.12ZiconCareful so cute boy doesn't see you. :p
07:26.12Lukianlicks Zicon secretly
07:26.13Lukian:D
07:26.18LukianI'm cold :(
07:26.25ZiconOh dear.
07:27.21LukianIt's been rainy/overcast all day
07:28.45Lukianshivers
07:28.53Corganrubs Lukian
07:29.15Lukiansmiles at Corgan
07:32.19CorganBibi, what are the two major updates >:(
07:33.15BibiCorgan : how would I know ?
07:33.22kd3points at the main page of the wiki
07:33.44kd31700 pages of content added, whee!
07:33.58Corgan09:00 CEST - WotLK Loading Screen, two "major" updates coming.
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10:27.50Mr_Rabies2man i'm glad the nda was lifted
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10:44.17ArideniRAWR
10:44.43Arideni<PROTECTED>
10:44.46ArideniSeptember 2, 2007 3:29 PM PDT
10:45.21Aridenilolz
10:46.44ArideniAnyone want to use me as Scroll of Resurrection?
10:47.20Aridenishame to let that free play time go to waste
10:47.41g0urraArideni: EU/US?
10:47.50ArideniUS
10:48.23Arideniand I'm so ready to play lol
10:48.27g0urradamn :(
10:48.41Arideniaw, =(
10:49.35Mr_Rabies2i would but my account is also frozen
10:50.15Aridenioh, =( Guess I'll just resub now then
10:52.08Arideni"Congratulations! Your credit card has been successfully recorded! Tales of this historic moment will be told and retold down through the generations. Way to go! "
10:52.12Arideninow that's awesome
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10:57.51Chaudare the tooltips for the stuff on wotlk.wowhead going to work soon?
10:58.07Arideni|wowPossibly
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11:54.08Nuroohi all :)
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12:02.31Tarjinheyo
12:02.59NurooJunkHead u here man??
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12:31.33JunkHeadHere now
12:36.25Lukianhey JunkHead :D
12:36.50LukianArideni, wb to wow!
12:37.01Lukianonly saw your message now or I would have :D
12:39.40Tarjinbeeeeta
12:44.21ArideniLukian: thx
12:44.34Arideniaaaw
12:44.47JunkHeadOk so...
12:44.54Nuroohello Junk
12:45.03JunkHeadMy guild is finally organizing an alt SSC run.
12:45.26JunkHeadAnd when deciding who'd be showing up already had my name listed as a possible tank.
12:45.41JunkHeadBut... amazingly enough... I have to work that night.
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12:47.30LukianJunkHead, another day off? :D
12:47.54JunkHeadDunno if this is a one time thing or not
12:48.03JunkHeadIf they start doing these runs often I'm fine
12:48.42JunkHeadI've been begging for ssc/tk runs
12:48.48JunkHeadand now they do one and I gotta work.:\
12:49.34thunderchldSo
12:49.42thunderchldThe Dark Knight = awesome.
12:49.47thunderchldThe midnight showing = not so awesome
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12:50.08JunkHeadi didn't even know it was out yet.
12:50.22Lukianthunderchld, ltns!
12:50.37thunderchldYes I know.  Makes my presence more valued! ;)
12:50.49Lukianpounces thunderchld and provides extra licks
12:50.53thunderchldhehe thanks
12:53.24LukianWhere's you been? :)
12:53.34thunderchldat work
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12:53.47Lukianfun?
12:53.52thunderchldno
12:53.56Lukian:(
12:54.05Lukianhands you a holiday
12:54.14thunderchldYea, Labor Day weekend.
12:56.33Lukian:D
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13:09.47Lukiantoodles off for a shower to warm up and wake up a lil, 'cause it's waaay to early for bed
13:15.03Lukianwinks at thunderchld
13:15.04thunderchld:P
13:17.34Lukianmorning emsy
13:17.53emsyhi
13:18.35Lukianhow's your day so far? :D
13:19.36emsylol
13:19.43emsycan't complain
13:19.56Lukianhehe :D
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13:34.52Aridenihm...
13:35.07ArideniI'm wondering what is better for a warlock, I really want herbalism, but how useful is tailoring at this point?
13:35.39ArideniSeems like I recall every caster class having a wonderful set of epic gear from tailoring...
13:35.49Tarris==
13:35.58Arideni=(
13:36.22Tarrisbut with how easy it is to get PvP gear with arguably better stats, its a toss up
13:36.33Tarriswhat do you want to do with your lock
13:36.37Arideniyeah, but will the pvp gear be good for pve?
13:36.56ArideniI want the best pre-raid PVE gear for my lock
13:36.58Tarriswell some PvP gear actually has +hit  (though not a lot)
13:37.22Tarristhen you'll want tailoring to make the frozen shadow weave gear
13:37.48Tarriswhich is a lot of primals  :-)
13:38.01ArideniThere's no better?
13:38.21Tarrismost locks don't replace FSW until hitting T5
13:38.22Aridenimm guess I'll go tailor then
13:38.29Aridenimy rogue can be an alchemist, I guess
13:38.35Aridenioh, wow
13:38.44Aridenimy warrior was like,
13:38.51Aridenireplacing some blacksmithing items in Karazhan, lol
13:39.06Arideni./pout
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13:39.44Tarrishowever FSW is only three pieces
13:39.55Tarrisso you'll still be getting kara gear etc.
13:40.05Tarrisboots, shoulders, robe
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14:11.57mystadiohi everyone
14:12.10Cadwalliongreetings
14:12.24Lukianbed time!
14:12.29Cadwallionnight night
14:12.53mystadioI was wondering if anyone was in the beta
14:13.13mystadioI need samples of the new wotlk wdb cache files
14:14.00mystadiostill have to wait for about 5h to finish downloading the beta
14:16.08deltronoh man
14:16.17deltronso much new info :D
14:18.10mystadiobrb
14:25.49deltronwtf
14:25.50deltronhttp://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=38535
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15:04.00malikeye|workanybody get in beta yet ?
15:09.04JunkHeadnot i.
15:14.21|Pixel|_o/
15:14.35Juippisdeltron: what about it?
15:15.09Juippisdeltron: there has been items which increase your spell power even before the Burning Crusade
15:15.14Juippisdeltron: if I remember correctly
15:15.33winkillermystadio: where do I have to petition that the TBC talent calculators will be kept with WotLK and not abandoned like classic wow ones?
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15:15.52winkillerbecause I already know I will need them to compare
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15:20.01RufwonSo what the hell.....     I had went and bought the title " of the Shattered Sun "  because well its 1000g and gold is so easy to make that I know Id get that back in a week if that much! I get whispers all of a sudden people tellin' me I'm dumb for it? I'm like wtf does it matter to you what I do? From my understanding this title wont be available when next expansion comes out right?
15:21.06Juippisthat title only exists there to show people that you have money
15:21.26Juippistell them they are poor frackers who can't afford making raid consumples _and_ having that title
15:21.31RufwonIf people just do there dam dailies they wont have that problem...
15:21.48JuippisI dislike doing dailies. I farm
15:21.53RufwonIt takes me about 2.5hrs to do all 25.
15:21.56lprichforget dailies. go spend an hour grinding bog lords in zangarmarsh
15:21.58Juippisthat's why I don't make 300 Gs a day :-(
15:22.57CadwallionI wish I had 2.5 hours a day to spend sitting around making gold.
15:23.05CadwallionOf course, if I did, I probably wouldn't.
15:23.08RufwonI got so much heat for that tile its unbelievable ..
15:24.01RufwonNext time I'm just going to run aaround with my epic flyer and that title to show off that I do have money just to piss everyone else off
15:24.24winkillerrofl
15:24.45CadwallionIt's a silly title. WOO, I HAZ MONEY.
15:24.51winkillerif I had a little more RL money I'd get 2 more accounts so I can fly my 3 epic flappies AT ONCE
15:24.57winkillerTAKE THAT, POOR SLACKERS
15:24.59Cadwallionmeeting time.
15:25.30RufwonWell I didn't get it to show off my money! I got it because like I said I heard it wont be available when next expansion comes out
15:29.43malikeye|worksorta like owning a jaguar :)
15:30.00Juippiswinkiller: :-)
15:30.19winkillerI don't like the Shattered Sun title
15:30.29winkillerif I liked it, I would've gotten one
15:31.00winkillerI got one Lieutenant General and one Champion of the Naaru, that's fine
15:31.11RufwonUnless you have that option to show your name then yeah I understand why you don't..
15:38.05adashielNot a fan of "Champion of the Naaru" and "Hand of A'dal".  The comma-delimited titles are very awkward sounding.  "of the Shattered Sun" is far less impressive an achievement, but it rolls off the tongue better.
15:42.19winkillerI'm still bitte I didn't get General because I was moving and out of net for 2 weeks :|
15:44.51Juippis, Champion of the Naaru
15:45.02Juippiswhy I didn't bother buying the other title :-\
15:45.40TecnoBratwonder when they will start to send beta keys
15:47.15RufwonIf I get a piece that is worth 100 badges what tier is that equivalent too
15:50.51adashielThe 100 badge items are ilevel 141, which is between T5 and T6.
15:52.49TecnoBrathttp://my.spill.com/profiles/blog/show?id=947994%3ABlogPost%3A355506
15:54.36adashielLMAO!
15:57.30adashiel"We hack the internet." "Hack the internet?" "Yes, hack the internet." "No one's ever hacked the internet before."
15:59.02TecnoBratbut which internet should we hack?
15:59.10adashielAll of them.
15:59.33TecnoBrat"the camera enters ultra slow motion and we see him barely squeeze by, frame by frame.  This happens seventeen times"
15:59.38TecnoBratI think I've seen this movie
16:00.37adashielPersonally, I think Michael Bay should give "Driving Miss Daisy" a reimagining.
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16:16.06malikeye|workbeta key can arrive any time now... <taps feet>
16:16.38lprichtaps malikeye|work
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16:16.50TecnoBratmalikeye|work, I haven't heard of anyone actually receiving any yet
16:17.37malikeye|workthey totally changed the whole way I play my priest
16:18.26malikeye|workgonna have to spec lightwell now, it looks
16:19.19lprichI don't know if I'm going to play.
16:19.33malikeye|workyou gonna leave wow ?
16:19.46lprichWell, I actually already left wow
16:19.52malikeye|workdo we need to go massive amounts of chocolate to get a beta key ?
16:19.58malikeye|workgo buy, even
16:20.37lprichhookers & blow, imo.
16:21.01malikeye|workalready buy massive amounts of that ;P
16:22.34TecnoBratwowhead hasn't gotten any yet
16:22.40TecnoBratofficial fansite this year though
16:22.45TecnoBratso we should hopefully :)
16:24.09lprichMAPLE BAR!!!!!!!
16:26.12lprichgets a sugar high
16:34.48malikeye|workomg, I got one
16:34.51malikeye|worknot
16:36.10adashielI want to take all kinds of pictures. :)
16:38.18malikeye|workgood thing I didn't ditch alchemy
16:38.30TecnoBratOMG I GOT ONE
16:38.35malikeye|workwith milling requiring herbsz
16:38.43malikeye|worksmacks TecnoBrat with a trout
16:38.49malikeye|workscreenshot or it didn't happen
16:39.20TecnoBrathttp://wow.tecnobrat.com/omg-invite.png
16:39.33selckin404
16:39.40TecnoBratno its not
16:39.43malikeye|work404
16:39.53TecnoBratOh http://wow.tecnobrat.com/omg_invite.png
16:40.01selckin404
16:40.07TecnoBratI mean http://wow.tecnobrat.com/omg_invite.jpg
16:40.18TecnoBrator maybe http://wow.tecnobrat.com/omg-invite.jpg
16:40.37TecnoBratwatching you fools hit my logs is fun!
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16:40.46selckinim bored
16:40.49selckin:)
16:40.53TecnoBratI am too
16:41.04TecnoBrathense why I'm tail -f log/access.log'ing
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16:42.20TecnoBratSERIOUSLY
16:42.28TecnoBratwhy do people zip a 25k xls file
16:42.31TecnoBratWHY
16:42.39TecnoBratand why do people put JS code in a word doc?
16:42.46TecnoBratjust so word can fuck up the quotes?
16:42.52TecnoBratseriously, are these people retarded?
16:43.32Rawsugh, I hate the latter
16:43.33malikeye|workwhy people even use zip at all! it's crappy
16:43.52malikeye|workbzip2 ftw
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16:44.04RawsI was doing some work for a fortune 50 company
16:44.12RawsThey had a webtrends metrics system
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16:44.31RawsThey send me a list of the 500 different calls or so they needed implemented… in a .doc
16:44.35RawsWith all the quotes messed up
16:44.41*** join/#wowhead MoonWolf (n=MoonWolf@i209133.upc-i.chello.nl)
16:44.46Raws"Do you have it in plain text?" I says
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16:44.59Raws"Oh no," they says, "that's the only format we saved it in"
16:45.01RawsTHANKS
16:45.14TecnoBratTHANKS YOU RETARD
16:45.20TecnoBratno go stick your hand on a hot stove
16:45.24TecnoBratnow*
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16:52.41WikwocketJust want to say, great job wowhead, love the wotlk site
16:53.03TecnoBratAND YOU GUYS WERE WORRIED
16:53.29TecnoBrat"you guys" = http://www.wowhead.com/?forums&topic=31764&p=290466
16:53.35MoonWolfi was never worried, i have unfaltering faith for the great database in the sky TecnoBrat
16:53.52TecnoBratMoonWolf, hehe
16:54.03TecnoBratfaith in our all powerful Skosiris
16:54.06TecnoBratall hail Skosiris
16:54.35RawsI read that as fail at first
16:54.43RawsI was waiting with glee for the almighty kickban from the heavens
16:55.40MoonWolfactually who is responsible for the datamining addon ?
16:56.51TecnoBrathttp://i6.tinypic.com/6slcn0w.gif
16:57.13TecnoBratMoonWolf, multiple people actually
16:58.02malikeye|workwhats the difference with the wotlk site ?
16:58.57TecnoBratdifference?
16:59.01TecnoBratit has wotlk data?
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16:59.31TecnoBratman, i could of turned that into a way better sarcastic response
17:00.59malikeye|workkk
17:01.18Tarris==
17:01.22malikeye|workooh, it does
17:01.25malikeye|worklevel 80 spells now
17:01.26malikeye|worknice
17:01.58TecnoBratand any item changes, spell changes, etc
17:02.10TecnoBrat(that we have data on so far)
17:02.18Wikwocketprofessions too I think
17:02.31TecnoBratMoonWolf, did you have a question about it?
17:02.40MoonWolfno i was wimply wondering.
17:02.47WikwocketTecnoBrat: can you open a portal to the future and get data on Alchemy up to 80? kthx
17:03.01TecnoBratAhh, well Skosiris, Corgan, mystadio  and a couple others have a hand in it
17:03.27TecnoBratinfobot, 8ball can i?
17:03.28infobotI'm sure of it.
17:03.33RawsCorgan has a hand in more than just that
17:03.35TecnoBratI'll get right on it!
17:03.40MoonWolfyay
17:03.57TecnoBratjust give me a beta key
17:04.03malikeye|workme too
17:05.52Wikwocketwell if someone's going out to get us some keys, I'll take one too ;)
17:06.10TecnoBratno no Wikwocket
17:06.15TecnoBratyou need to give me one
17:06.21TecnoBratso I can get your data for you
17:06.24Wikwockettell them to get a 6-pack
17:06.30Wikwocketwe can share
17:06.44TecnoBratI don't share well with others
17:08.15WikwocketOkay you can have the key, just let me know what flasks I can make at 80
17:19.27Corgantackles Raws
17:19.38Rawspelvic thrusts in Corgan's general direction
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17:36.15kachna|lappyguises,any idea when should beta open in EU? :P
17:37.11Corganlast night?
17:37.21kachna|lappyhmmmh
17:37.32kachna|lappyi've been told it's open in us only yet :o
17:37.57kachna|lappywell,guildie told me it'll bein eu open in a few days,and some dude on wotlkwiki confirmed that for mees :/
17:38.27Corganoh
17:38.29Corganshrugs
17:38.36TarjinMonday
17:38.42kachna|lappykkthanks
17:38.49kachna|lappy)
17:39.20kachna|lappyexcited a bit...with a lil hope i'll finally show these warriors how a tank should look ;O
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18:29.34thunderchldhttp://www.g4tv.com/ninjawarrior/game.aspx
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19:03.08TecnoBrathttp://www.wowwiki.com/Instructor_Razuvious
19:03.11TecnoBratso where is the lore?
19:03.14TecnoBratbah
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19:16.27WikwocketAre crushing blows being removed in wotlk?
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19:30.31malikeye|workanybody get one yet?
19:35.00deltroni wish lol
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19:44.19malikeye|workoh my gods, frackin got one
19:44.25malikeye|workoops, wrong channel
19:47.45Corgangasps
19:49.01kachnagz lol
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20:00.58malikeye|workCoH still only works for 5 toons
20:01.03malikeye|workbleh, I'm makin my mage my main
20:02.48Wikwocketmalikeye: but it smart-targets now
20:02.59malikeye|workyeah, chooses the lowest 5 of the raid
20:03.22malikeye|workbut I use CoH a lot... I can get 7-8K across a group in the 6 second CD
20:03.38malikeye|workor everybody can get a 1K+ blast to keep 'em up
20:03.41malikeye|workas in hexx
20:04.22malikeye|workguess they are gonna have to throw me in the other group to PoH then... cause CoH sucks now
20:04.56WikwocketIt doesn't suck, it's just not a main heal
20:05.16WikwocketI think it will have a place in between PoM's and Renews and tank heals
20:05.21malikeye|workwhen is it useful ?
20:06.13malikeye|workwith the 6second CD
20:07.00malikeye|workit's used for AoE, right? well all the AoE I've seen ( up to SSC, we haven't gone there yet, that our next progression ) requires CoH spamming
20:07.20WikwocketIt will depend on the fights of course, but throwing an instant heal on the 5 most injured players in a raid could keep them up long enough for chain heal to hit them
20:07.44malikeye|workif you have chain heal
20:08.11malikeye|workwe usually role with 2 priests, 1 shamman, and 2 druids... those are the healing choices for any raid we can do
20:08.22malikeye|workonly I have CoH
20:08.34malikeye|workguess the other dude is gonna have to get it now
20:08.45malikeye|workand we will need to probably incorporate lightwell
20:08.46WikwocketIf not chain heal, then the new Druid aoe heal, or the new pally one
20:09.05WikwocketI just think they are trying to make priest not be only CoH-spammers
20:09.08malikeye|workyeah, I haven't paid enough attention to other classes... I should read up on their changes
20:09.19malikeye|workwith AoE, we don't have much of a choice
20:09.51malikeye|workwhen you see 10 people almost die, it's like "holy shit" <-- pun intended ... CoH, CoH, CoH... phew.. now back to your regularly scheduled healing
20:10.09malikeye|workrenew can't take the place of that
20:10.22malikeye|workPoH is good for only half of you
20:10.55malikeye|workand PoM is crap... I use it mainly to keep myself alive after the initial rush and when toons really need it
20:11.33malikeye|workwhat good is PoM if there is only one person taking damage, as it should be
20:11.59WikwocketYou seriously think PoM is not a good spell?
20:12.22malikeye|workhow is it good when you have one person taking damage ?
20:12.39malikeye|workisn't the whole point to bounce 5 times ?
20:12.44Wikwocketeven in a tank and spank, PoM softens tank blows, and can increase tank threat by a large amount
20:12.45malikeye|workmost of the time it bounces once
20:12.56Wikwocketif it bounces, it is once of the most efficient heals in the game
20:13.11malikeye|workour tanks don't need more threat... our main is, well was until today, a pally tank
20:13.12WikwocketIt is one of our most powerful spells imho
20:13.53malikeye|workand out other MT is a druid that is capped at like every stat you can cap at
20:13.57malikeye|works/out/our/
20:14.09WikwocketYou can't cap threat per second :)
20:15.05malikeye|workI'm not saying the other stuff isn't good... I'm saying that CoH on a CD is bad
20:15.46malikeye|workand none of the other spells can make up for it, cause I use them all, and I use CoH as a wipe-saver... which is what it is meant to be
20:16.20lprichI've got a lovely bunch of coconuts
20:16.43malikeye|workthen again, I can't rely on the other healers though.... I end up mainly solo healing everyone
20:16.56WikwocketThat is probably something Blizzard would like to avoid
20:17.00Wikwockethence, the CD
20:17.05malikeye|workcept for our shaman.. he is awesome when can make it... so I guess, yeah, we'll have to look at working more closely together
20:18.34malikeye|workused CoH 29% of our last ZA
20:18.44malikeye|workthat physically can't happen anymore
20:20.01WikwocketI am sure it will require adjustment, but I think they just don't want it to be a primary, style-defining spell
20:20.25malikeye|workI did almost a million more heals than the other priest
20:20.41malikeye|workwith less overheal
20:20.57kachnaHey,is it just my very own feeling,or paladins in beta seem to have the capability to outperform warriors on single target fights? <3
20:21.07Juippisnope
20:21.10lprichpally tank ftw
20:21.43kachnawell warriors get imp. def stance merged into the stance, and instead they get some more crit talents and some dmg...
20:22.02kachnawhile we get like 3 new threat abilities and spelldmg from stamina O.o
20:22.25kachnaand cos we already do ~ the same threat as warrirors, it seems we're gonna be kickass :o
20:24.09lprichI haven't been keeping up on things, but it looks like shamans are going to be teh sex for helping tanks mitigate damage and then CH to bring them back up.
20:24.28lprichThat is, if that damage spreading talent I saw before is what ends up being real.
20:24.37kachnamm haven't seen yet..only warrs&pallys so far
20:24.45Wikwocketkachna: def stance now increases threat by 45%
20:24.58kachnabut hey,i got evul plan to make warriors my slaves to buff tanking :> with their new stuff
20:25.29kachnaWikwocket: yep,well there's now talent to make it 45%, isn't it?
20:26.34Juippiskachna: blizzard itself said that warriors will still be the best single-target tanks in wotlk
20:27.09kachnameh
20:27.16kachnathey say they are now too
20:27.25kachnawhile i do ~30% more tps than our warriors easily :P
20:28.40kachnaor our warriors just might suck...but they get all loot >.< am i supposed to change guild then? :P
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20:33.51kachnahey,that's a serious question...would you change guild,if your warriors got ALL the loot without a chance for you,while they're by 1 tier better geared and guild complains about yer gear then? :P
20:34.18kachnai mean,every single item in the progress from gruul to hyjal > warr :/
20:39.58Rawslmao http://bitsandpieces.us/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/imageskfc-20is-20good.jpg
20:40.11Wikwocketkachna: how is loot awarded? dkp? loot council?
20:40.18Wikwocketis the system seriously biased or is it just a trend?
20:41.32kachnawell, MT prio,then dkp
20:42.13kachnai'm in almost every raid guild does...progress or not,but every time i see item drop,it either goes to MT, or to the other warr cos it's a warrior item...
20:43.15kachnafor example,it's when i wear the rare arcatraz ring, and MT has the one from tempest keep,he still will get the one from SSC cos of mt prio,while it's upgrade worth ~40 itemlevels for me :\
20:43.23WikwocketWell, "warrior items" are a Blizzard itemization issue
20:43.34WikwocketBut I personally dislike "MT priority" rules
20:43.56kachnaactually,these are items that quite suit me :\ stam,dodge,defense...no strength or such crap
20:44.01kachnasry for the word :P
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20:44.57kachnagotta read chan rules lol..anyways, i support MT prio,but since our MT outgears whole hyjal,where we are 1/5 atm, and i'm barely in T4 level gear,that prio seems a bit clueless :(
20:45.24WikwocketIn my opinion, defaulting all gear to the MT is a great way to handicap your guild in the future
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20:46.37kachnawell atm we have 2 tanks ready to tank anything up to swp(not included:P) and me..umm...in 8 items pre-kara...cos of MT prio,so i'm wondering if i should leave the guild or not :\
20:47.10Juippiswell no?
20:47.23Juippisnext time you run MH or whatever you run you get your item
20:47.30Juippisand dkp sucks. We use it too
20:47.31JuippisI hate it
20:47.36kachnaman
20:47.52kachnai didn't get ANYTHING since the guild was formed,i dont think i'll get anything
20:47.53WikwocketDKP can be fine, but DKP with MT priority kind of defeats the point imho
20:48.19Juippiswithout a great main tank the group easily gets fucked up
20:48.25Juippisimo mt prio is fine
20:48.37kachnai used to run hyjal with pug for a month and not a single drop of shield/gloves anyways :D
20:48.41kachnawell MT prio is fine
20:48.43kachnabut dude
20:48.47WikwocketMT priority is great, until your MT gquits, transfers servers, or becomes a jerk
20:48.55kachnai'm the only paladin tank,i die on trash...
20:48.58Wikwocketall of which I have seen happen
20:49.03Juippiskachna: haha :-D
20:49.05kachnacos i have rare/crafted gear
20:49.08Juippiskachna: ok, point taken
20:49.31Juippiskachna: your guild doesn't run places where you could get updgrades?
20:49.46JuippisI mean like if you go straight to MH with some kara gear... not good I guess
20:50.09kachnawe do...but MT still needs my upgrades too,even though they're minor for him, like TK ring > SC ring or bots and shiet
20:50.16kachna*SSC ring i mean
20:50.39kachnaor from gruuls shield to ZA shield...while i had the rare drop from botanica :(
20:50.47kachnamean rare quality,not rare drop :P
20:50.49Wikwocketyeah, see, in some situations, complete MT priority is misued
20:50.53Wikwocket*misused
20:50.57Juippiswell next time I assure you there's nothing he can take from those lower level raids
20:51.09JuippisI agree on that
20:51.23Juippissure item upgrades should be taken into consideration too
20:51.41kachnawell i just dunno,am a bit sick of going from kara to hyjal without any upgrade
20:51.46Juippisbut dkp sucks. Just wanted to say that
20:51.52Juippisheh
20:51.53kachnacept hyjal mace and gruul shoulders i got from pugs :x
20:52.28kachnaso i'm asking ya experienced raiders if you'd leave or not :P
20:52.37JuippisI wouldn't
20:52.41Juippisyet at least
20:52.53Juippisgive it another, let's say, 3-4 raids, or ~2 weeks
20:53.06Juippisif things don't get better, apply to another guild which does your level raids
20:53.20WikwocketI would say it depends on other factors. What I would do is voice your concerns to an officer.
20:53.47Juippisis the mt some cocky bitch who likes to cause some drama?
20:53.51Juippisoften they are
20:54.09Juippisand when your mt speaks on vent, can you hear the song "I got the power" playing in background?
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20:54.16JuippisI've seen that too.
20:54.21kachnawell that's the problem..there's only one guild in that stuff, and they even look for prot pally,but people cme to our guild from them saying officcers there suck..:\
20:54.23Juippisor, morelike, heard
20:54.48Juippisyea, be in your current guild then
20:54.56Juippisjust... se how things advance now
20:55.05WikwocketDo talk to the MT or officers
20:55.15Juippiswhen you start going to BT... you'll be the second to get Bulwark of Azzinoth
20:55.17Juippisnot bad
20:55.25Juippisor do that yes
20:55.26kachnaactually, MT is quite fine guy, my favourite guild member actually :P but it's just like "no worries,you'll get yer gear"...for 2 months already :(
20:55.40Juippishehe
20:55.43Juippisjust like I said :-P
20:55.51kachnamkay mkay...
20:55.58Juippisbut hey, if you have some nice MT and nice officers... hold on to them
20:56.00Juippisseriously
20:56.08Wikwocketnow that I agree with
20:56.16deltronlol yeah
20:56.28deltronthe guild i'm apping to is constantly losing key players
20:56.32deltronit's kinda a pain
20:56.38kachnaworst on it is,i've been asked to join SWP 4/6 guild by a dude who took me to hyjal many times...saying i'm a good pally lol,so it'd be worth gearing me up and taking up there...
20:57.01kachnawell i wanted to do progress on my own,so i said i'll wait,and now they stopped raiding till wotlk :P
20:57.48Juippismany hc endgame guilds seem to do that
20:57.51JuippisI've noticed
20:58.11kachnaanyways,thanks for advices...i think i'll just somehow stick with these meanies till wotlk too then :P
20:58.21kachnayeah,like all our endgame guilds :o
20:58.24deltronm'uru just about killed my guild
20:59.34Juippisdeltron: ha! We experienced like... 200 wipes on that one
20:59.39Juippisand now it got nerfed
20:59.46kachna:P
20:59.49Juippisour pride won't let us do it again
20:59.56kachnais there any not nerfed instance in 243? :P
21:00.03Juippispeople will go like "ye but you didn't got it down until the nerf"
21:00.56Juippiskachna: remember. You will be the second to get Bulwark of Azzinoth, but when you get it, you see it was worthy of sticking with them.
21:01.03Juippisold man's advice to yoy
21:01.05Juippisremember it!
21:01.20kachnawell
21:01.27kachnahow can i know it wont go to the other warr tho? :P
21:01.28Juippisno answers
21:01.36Juippis!
21:01.39kachnahttp://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/4/7/16/f_gearm_64a6615.png QQ !
21:01.45kachnacwutididthar!
21:03.37kachnaanyways,giev wotlk nao kk? i still think i'll pwn on threat :P
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21:50.31deltronJuippis: yeah, exactly, we wiped for a month+ on m'uru
21:51.07ecseverytime someone mentions something like that it reminds me of just how much a backwater my realm is
21:51.31deltronlol
21:51.43kachnameh,we wiped for 2 weeks on lurker tbh :P
21:52.18kachnahardest ssc boss for our guild...we 2shot karathress,morogrim, 1shot leotheras..and 2 weeks on stupid loot below :P
21:52.53kachnanot really at sunwell yet tho,but i bet we'd 3shot muru while staying on the easiest(felmyst?) for half a year :\
21:53.00ecsthe most progressed guild on my realm only took down illidan like a month ago, maybe 6 weeks ago
21:53.08ecsand i don't think they've managed a single boss in SWP
21:53.10kachnaO.o
21:53.34ecsyoung realm with low raiding pop
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21:58.44kachnawhat realm / side?
21:59.08kachnaprolly something for my mate :P he's lookin for realm to start raiding...our realm sucks hard in kara
21:59.28ecsUS Misha Alliance
21:59.48kachnaoh :/
21:59.54ecsour horde side ain't bad either
22:00.05ecsaround the same progression i think
22:00.29kachnawell side is nice, wtb that to eu tho :P
22:01.32ecsah yeah that
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22:03.10Rawshttp://bravobug.com/private/-3.jpg
22:03.13Rawshttp://bravobug.com/private/-2.jpg
22:03.17Rawshttp://bravobug.com/private/-1.jpg
22:06.12kachnaneat  )
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23:00.18Rawshttp://www.czechmyjugs.com/aux.gif
23:00.20RawsUltimate badass
23:01.03kachnaO.o
23:01.07Corganlol
23:01.31RawsRay's dad's heart doesn't pump blood through his body
23:01.33Rawsit pumps slide guitar blues
23:01.38RawsAchewood for the win
23:19.47RawsCorgan, bonerbot.jpg
23:19.51RawsAlso TILLIN' 'N GRILLIN'
23:19.52CorganRaws
23:19.55CorganRaws|fooder
23:20.00Raws|fooderCorgan|fooder
23:20.00CorganBurn
23:20.02CorganLast
23:20.04CorganandCapital G
23:20.06Corganfor rockband
23:20.12Raws|fooder!
23:20.18Corganepic songs
23:20.21Raws|fooderCAPITAL GRILLIN'
23:20.24Raws|fooderberb
23:20.25CorganYES
23:20.26Corgank
23:26.24ecsi dun wanna raid tonight :(
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