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| 00:40.32 | malikeye | enchants are too damn expensive |
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| 01:01.25 | Nefarion | Are you guys messing with the CAPTCHA system right now? |
| 01:01.51 | Nefarion | 'Cause it _might_ be my fault, but I just got the invalid CAPTCHA message like 6 times in a row. |
| 01:05.18 | Corgan | Rub your eyes? |
| 01:07.37 | Nefarion | Well, I'm pretty sure I got at least half of them right. When I got two wrong I looked closely letter for letter. |
| 01:07.56 | Nefarion | So, I thought it might be a reportable bug |
| 01:08.17 | Nefarion | BUT, it could still be my fault. It is pretty dark, and my typing skills aren't perfect. |
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| 03:39.05 | TecnoBrat | http://kotaku.com/5014820/world-of-world-of-warcraft-launch-coverage-from-the-onion-news-network |
| 03:39.09 | TecnoBrat | ahahahahahhahahaa |
| 03:39.16 | TecnoBrat | keep watching at the end |
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| 03:41.10 | Corgan | rofl |
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| 03:45.26 | TecnoBrat | omg, the "he gets on the phone with his ISP's tech support" killed me |
| 03:45.34 | TecnoBrat | I think I woke my son up, lol |
| 03:45.56 | Corgan | lol |
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| 04:07.09 | Lukian | I think there's something wrong with me, I enjoy playing hunter more than warlock |
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| 04:11.32 | Corgan | TecnoBrat |
| 04:11.34 | Corgan | http://www.derrickcomedy.com/2007/08/20/bro-rape-an-investigative-report/ |
| 04:12.41 | Raws | Man, I just watched that last night |
| 04:12.50 | Raws | BUT NOW I'M LISTENING TO THE CRO-MAG RALLY SOUNDTRACK |
| 04:12.56 | Corgan | ok |
| 04:12.57 | Corgan | OH GOD |
| 04:13.01 | Corgan | I REMEMBER CRO-MAG RALLY |
| 04:13.14 | Raws | BEST GAME EVER CORRECT |
| 04:13.18 | Corgan | YES |
| 04:13.24 | Raws | is listening to Vikings by Pangea Software from Cro-Mag Rally (1:57 / 2:22) |
| 04:13.40 | Raws | Corgan http://ross.fappett.com/audio/cro_mag_rally/ |
| 04:14.27 | Corgan | oh god |
| 04:14.31 | Corgan | I remember this song |
| 04:14.33 | Corgan | the theme song |
| 04:14.50 | Raws | rocks out |
| 04:14.51 | Raws | PUN FULLY INTENDED |
| 04:15.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | minerals out |
| 04:16.09 | Raws | Corgan, you are sodium sexy |
| 04:16.09 | Corgan | Last Name's out |
| 04:16.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | this is like jimmy buffett from hell |
| 04:16.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i never played cro mag rally |
| 04:16.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | apparently |
| 04:16.58 | Corgan | I think raybeez would be the only one who got that |
| 04:16.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | because i'd remember this |
| 04:17.09 | Corgan | amirite raybeez |
| 04:17.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | urrite |
| 04:17.33 | Corgan | rofl |
| 04:17.34 | Corgan | nws http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1213068985677.jpg |
| 04:18.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | wat |
| 04:18.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | why you do this |
| 04:20.30 | Lukian | Corgan, it has no penis |
| 04:20.44 | Corgan | http://img.4chan.org/b/res/72095722.html nws thread |
| 04:20.44 | Corgan | :D |
| 04:20.50 | Lukian | oh, I thought that was a ball |
| 04:20.56 | Lukian | damn, that's a tiny penis :D |
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| 04:24.26 | Lukian | awesome thread Corgan :D |
| 04:24.31 | Corgan | http://zip.4chan.org/po/src/1213068313152.jpg |
| 04:24.31 | Corgan | what |
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| 04:31.55 | Raws | http://imagec08.247realmedia.com/RealMedia/ads/Creatives/TheOnion/Onion_House_Onion_300x250/Store_DH_300x250camping_0508.jpg |
| 04:32.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | hahaha |
| 04:32.36 | Raws | lmao |
| 04:32.43 | Raws | The Onion had that made by Nalgene |
| 04:32.46 | Raws | http://store.theonion.com/i-will-never-take-this-camping-water-bottle-p-110.html |
| 04:32.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just took reused soda bottles filled with water camping with me when i went |
| 04:33.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | next time i'm going to fill it with a gallon jug with pressurized helium so my backpack weighs nothing |
| 04:33.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | muahahaha |
| 04:33.44 | Raws | Yay |
| 04:33.48 | Raws | I take three liters in nalgene-ish bottles |
| 04:34.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | liters |
| 04:34.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | are you secretly canadian raws |
| 04:34.17 | Raws | Butt of course |
| 04:34.32 | Corgan | butt |
| 04:34.40 | Gidd | soda = evil |
| 04:36.51 | Lukian | oh, very nice organisation of the armor menus :) |
| 04:39.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | ANIME JA NAI |
| 04:39.39 | Raws | http://store.theonion.com/images/get/498/thumb |
| 04:39.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=cmaglJhFjCc&feature=related |
| 04:40.44 | Corgan | lol raws |
| 04:41.04 | Raws | http://store.theonion.com/images/get/423/thumb |
| 04:41.40 | Raws | JAPFORMERS |
| 04:41.54 | Gidd | Raws - I've told my wife that. I tease her that I left the 'till death do us part' section in my vows on purpsoe :D |
| 04:42.00 | Gidd | er, purpose |
| 04:42.07 | Raws | You are an awesome person |
| 04:42.45 | Gidd | I'm glad I'm not the only one here that realizes that. |
| 04:43.10 | Corgan | porpoise |
| 04:43.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you thought anime ja nai was the pinnacle of humanity's musical talent, just wait until you hear "turn a turn" |
| 04:43.19 | Gidd | heh |
| 04:43.21 | Raws | chimpanzee corkscrew |
| 04:43.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=H67tp0FIWk4 |
| 04:43.27 | Corgan | Raws marry me |
| 04:43.34 | Raws | Bear Force One is the pinnacle of humanity's musical talent |
| 04:43.47 | Corgan | yes |
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| 04:44.16 | Raws | Rabies |
| 04:44.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | bear force one doesn't have some guy with autism yelling TURN A....GUNDAM |
| 04:44.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | after making grunting noises |
| 04:44.33 | Raws | This is like 2001: A Space Odyssey made with 80s synths |
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| 04:44.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | it came out in 1999. |
| 04:44.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's what makes it so great |
| 04:44.58 | Raws | Ok, that is officially insane |
| 04:45.31 | Corgan | Bear |
| 04:45.31 | Corgan | Force |
| 04:45.33 | Corgan | One |
| 04:45.39 | Raws | BEAR |
| 04:45.40 | Raws | FORCE |
| 04:45.40 | Raws | ONE |
| 04:45.41 | Corgan | Hoo Haw |
| 04:45.49 | Raws | Oh man |
| 04:45.51 | Raws | Corgan |
| 04:45.52 | Raws | finds something |
| 04:47.21 | Corgan | BOYS BOYS BOYS |
| 04:47.27 | Corgan | WE'RE LOOKIN FOR A GOOD TIME |
| 04:47.27 | Raws | CORGAN |
| 04:47.27 | Raws | http://youtube.com/watch?v=eLTLbwT5CKc |
| 04:48.12 | Raws | Whenever I see rabies' profile image in steam, I think of this music video |
| 04:48.35 | Corgan | Raws |
| 04:48.39 | Corgan | you spin me right round baby |
| 04:48.44 | Raws | spins |
| 04:48.48 | Corgan | right round |
| 04:48.53 | Corgan | like a record |
| 04:48.57 | Raws | baby |
| 04:49.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | you should watch godzilla final wars raws |
| 04:49.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | it has lots of awesome mustache |
| 04:49.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=Pu2z0TTE6dg |
| 04:50.08 | Raws | 2:32 of life at the outpost is the best |
| 04:52.15 | Raws | Awesome |
| 04:52.30 | Corgan | Raws |
| 04:52.32 | Corgan | I have a video for you |
| 04:52.40 | Raws | This is operation |
| 04:52.42 | Raws | FINAL WAAAAR |
| 04:52.51 | Corgan | http://youtube.com/watch?v=EVYgRPfC9nQ |
| 04:53.01 | Corgan | I love this video |
| 04:53.02 | Corgan | so much |
| 04:54.30 | Raws | This is amazing |
| 04:54.37 | Corgan | It's so amazing |
| 04:54.42 | Corgan | Freddie <3 |
| 04:56.21 | Raws | Is he sitting naked on top of a mountain of women |
| 04:56.26 | Corgan | yes |
| 04:56.29 | Corgan | I think so |
| 04:56.57 | Raws | How is this man not a national hero |
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| 04:58.11 | Corgan | http://youtube.com/watch?v=MMz-wi50ACU |
| 05:00.09 | Raws | DUCKTALES |
| 05:00.14 | Corgan | Raws |
| 05:00.16 | Corgan | http://youtube.com/watch?v=cxbFLYa0_bw |
| 05:02.56 | Raws | GUITAR SOLO |
| 05:03.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | corgan |
| 05:03.39 | Corgan | Mr_Rabies2 |
| 05:03.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | speaking of freddie |
| 05:03.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | how much cromartie have you seen |
| 05:03.50 | Corgan | up to like |
| 05:03.52 | Corgan | episode 17 |
| 05:03.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=4ADh8Fs3YdU&feature=related |
| 05:04.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | this video is simultaneously sad, awesome and wtf |
| 05:04.40 | Raws | Oh god |
| 05:04.43 | Raws | Smash Mouth just came on in itunes |
| 05:04.51 | Raws | is walkin' on Corgan |
| 05:06.54 | Raws | http://www.sydneyferries.info/timetables/manly-ferry.htm |
| 05:06.56 | Corgan | Mr_Rabies2 :( |
| 05:07.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | raws |
| 05:07.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | have you seen cromartie high school |
| 05:07.48 | Raws | Wassat |
| 05:07.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | this |
| 05:07.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=HQXbN-rM3eY |
| 05:07.53 | Corgan | :o |
| 05:07.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's all you need to know |
| 05:08.03 | Corgan | and the intro |
| 05:08.04 | Corgan | ^^ |
| 05:08.48 | Raws | That |
| 05:08.51 | Raws | needs to be a feature film |
| 05:09.04 | Corgan | Mr_Rabies2 |
| 05:09.06 | Corgan | http://youtube.com/watch?v=WH3_9pl0SV4 |
| 05:09.11 | Corgan | such an amazing video ^^ |
| 05:10.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | raws |
| 05:10.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | there is a movie |
| 05:10.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | live action |
| 05:10.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh wait |
| 05:10.24 | Raws | :O |
| 05:10.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a series i guess? |
| 05:10.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno |
| 05:10.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's a live action version too |
| 05:10.37 | Corgan | raybeez watch that youtube |
| 05:10.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=x8bOheQav2o |
| 05:10.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have no clue what's up with the english dub |
| 05:11.18 | Corgan | wat |
| 05:13.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | he mispronounced mechazawa |
| 05:13.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh god |
| 05:13.55 | Raws | COWS WITH GUNS |
| 05:17.33 | ecstasia | ... i just counted how many kara epics i've gotten since i started running the place |
| 05:17.47 | ecstasia | the number is downright obscene |
| 05:18.02 | ecstasia | ...39 |
| 05:19.14 | Corgan | k |
| 05:22.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | HOW IS BABBY FORMED |
| 05:22.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | HOW GIRL GET PRAGNENT? |
| 05:23.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.somethingawful.com/flash/shmorky/babby.swf |
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| 05:35.40 | Raws | waits for imagemagick to compile on his server |
| 05:51.07 | Lukian | <title>Wowhead: It's 12:49... do you know where your characters are?</title> |
| 05:51.07 | Lukian | fail timezone :p |
| 05:51.28 | unfo- | :) |
| 05:52.09 | Raws | JUMPIN' CORGAN FLASH |
| 05:52.16 | Corgan | k |
| 05:54.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | man |
| 05:54.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | jumpin jack flash kicks my ass in elite beat agents |
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| 06:55.18 | Raws | Corgan, our wedding is going to be awesome |
| 06:55.22 | Raws | There will be motorcycles and lasers |
| 06:55.23 | Raws | But mostly beef |
| 06:55.26 | Raws | And bacon |
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| 07:23.59 | Lukian | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7083838426&postId=70831409432&sid=1#0 |
| 07:24.07 | Lukian | Any warlocks confirm that? |
| 07:28.19 | |Pixel| | the guy got it wrong |
| 07:28.25 | |Pixel| | the autocast isn't made to act this way |
| 07:28.33 | |Pixel| | the autocast is "smart" |
| 07:28.44 | |Pixel| | you have to find *TWO* hostile mobs |
| 07:28.49 | |Pixel| | that will attack you |
| 07:29.04 | |Pixel| | and THEN the succubus will auto-cast the seduce on one of them, so you have one less mob on you |
| 07:29.14 | Lukian | |Pixel|, but in a group dynamic when you are cc'ing a *specific* mob |
| 07:29.23 | Lukian | what exactly does a succubus do? |
| 07:29.48 | |Pixel| | it'll 'randomly' autocast seduce on one of the mob, if there are multiple mobs targetting *you* |
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| 07:30.17 | Lukian | So I have to have threat on 1-2 mobs? |
| 07:31.39 | |Pixel| | I don't know if it's linked to the threat |
| 07:32.04 | Lukian | targetting me means they have threat on me :p |
| 07:32.41 | |Pixel| | I can have threat on a mob, but if the tank has more threat, it's not targetting me |
| 07:33.10 | |Pixel| | to me, the seduce autocast behavior is more linked to the targetting, not to the threat |
| 07:33.15 | Lukian | read what I said as aggro then |
| 07:33.18 | Lukian | not threat |
| 07:33.21 | |Pixel| | fine with me |
| 07:33.38 | |Pixel| | so, now |
| 07:33.45 | |Pixel| | fyi, I never use autocast on seduce |
| 07:34.00 | |Pixel| | if, as a warlock, I am assigned to CC-seduce one mob specifically, I use a focus macro |
| 07:34.11 | Lukian | yeah I'm trying to macro bind it, giving it's "weird" auto-cast nature |
| 07:34.21 | |Pixel| | http://www.wowwiki.com/Useful_macros/Warlock#Focused_Seduction for example |
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| 08:25.54 | unfo- | http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/6555/1210300064121rv8.jpg |
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| 09:18.24 | Raws | http://ross.fappett.com/audio/canyon_yay.mp3 |
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| 10:59.16 | robotusch | AVAST! A GOLD PIRATE HAS BEN SPOTTED ACOSS THE BOW ALSO KNOWN AS General Forum |
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| 11:05.26 | robotusch | argh |
| 11:05.28 | robotusch | .. and again |
| 11:05.34 | robotusch | same guy btw |
| 11:11.32 | robotusch | .. and again + he infiltrated the Rerolling alliance thread :< |
| 11:11.44 | robotusch | wtb temporary mod powers |
| 11:19.33 | robotusch | http://www.wowhead.com/?forums&topic=26892&p=242160#p242159 btw |
| 11:20.20 | Corgan | He's been banned. |
| 11:20.45 | robotusch | yey |
| 11:21.31 | Raws | Vindictive |
| 11:21.57 | Corgan | o hi Raws |
| 11:22.06 | Raws | hi2u Croagna |
| 11:22.11 | Raws | I'm down to the wire with this stupid deliverable |
| 11:22.25 | Raws | And I'm waiting on some programmers in Poland to give me a recompiled component |
| 11:22.31 | Raws | >:| |
| 11:22.51 | Raws | has been up all night o/ |
| 11:22.52 | robotusch | So you didn't forget Poland? |
| 11:23.02 | Raws | Not yet, anyhow |
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| 11:51.07 | FinalX | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/warcraft_sequel_lets_gamers_play |
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| 11:53.14 | robotusch | World of World of World of Warcraft sounds good ;o |
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| 12:04.51 | Alpha_ | Server maintain again.. |
| 12:04.57 | Alpha_ | so boring |
| 12:05.02 | thunderchld | wouldn't know - not interwebs!! |
| 12:05.04 | thunderchld | it sucks |
| 12:05.47 | Alpha_ | Any warlock here? |
| 12:23.15 | thunderchld | no |
| 12:55.51 | Raws | OH MY GOD |
| 12:55.56 | Raws | is finally off phone with client |
| 12:55.58 | Raws | znores |
| 12:56.11 | Raws|znore | 36 hours of eyes wide open |
| 12:56.16 | Raws|znore | NO MORE |
| 12:56.21 | Raws|znore | disappears |
| 12:58.36 | thunderchld | costume idea's - and go |
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| 13:01.24 | thunderchld | you guys suck at this game |
| 13:02.14 | unfo- | thunderchld, Gruul |
| 13:02.28 | thunderchld | awwww |
| 13:03.00 | unfo- | murloc1 |
| 13:03.02 | unfo- | !! |
| 13:03.48 | thunderchld | that would be neat, but rather hard to make or fine |
| 13:03.50 | thunderchld | find |
| 13:04.40 | robotusch | a fairy godmother + pics inhere |
| 13:04.45 | unfo- | Water elemental! |
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| 13:31.50 | JunkHead | Hello again |
| 13:31.59 | unfo- | World again |
| 13:32.58 | deltron | yo |
| 13:33.03 | deltron | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/warcraft_sequel_lets_gamers_play |
| 13:33.06 | JunkHead | Guess I'll try AoC again since WoW is down. |
| 13:33.12 | deltron | heh |
| 13:34.56 | unfo- | JunkHead, how have you found AoC? I think it has potential but is way too buggy and cold for the time being |
| 13:35.19 | deltron | yes |
| 13:35.23 | deltron | combat is nice though |
| 13:35.33 | JunkHead | Honestly, I'm not far into it. |
| 13:35.35 | JunkHead | I'm lvl 7. |
| 13:35.44 | unfo- | JunkHead, lvl 13 here |
| 13:35.44 | JunkHead | I bought it last tuesday. |
| 13:35.58 | JunkHead | And played for about an hour or so and got pissed at a crappy droprate |
| 13:36.05 | JunkHead | Just now playing it again. |
| 13:36.13 | JunkHead | But so far I'm not amazed. |
| 13:36.19 | JunkHead | Lvl 7 though. |
| 13:36.20 | unfo- | deltron, nice yes, but I find it slightly annoying that I _need_ to be 100% in the game to survive :) |
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| 13:46.25 | JunkHead | Oh well that was quick. |
| 13:46.38 | Rufwon | a tauren, a orc and a undead walk down the street... |
| 13:46.39 | Rufwon | then the orc says : hey..something smells |
| 13:46.39 | Rufwon | the undead : its not me |
| 13:46.39 | Rufwon | the tauren: awww damned...i stepped on a gnome... |
| 13:47.00 | Rufwon | bwauahh |
| 13:47.36 | deltron | An Alliance army is marching across the Barrens to raid Orgrimmar when a Shaman comes running up and makes a rude gesture at the general. The general points to 2 of his soldiers and orders them to kill the Shaman. The Shaman runs away around a mountain and the soldiers follow. |
| 13:47.50 | deltron | After a few minutes the Shaman comes back with no sign of the Alliance soldiers. He insults the general who promptly sends 10 officers to kill the Shaman. The Shaman runs around the hill and returns again. The general is getting very annoyed and orders 40 men to kill the Shaman. They all chase him around the hill and for 10 minites nothing happens. Then one badly wounded soldier comes back limping and says: |
| 13:48.16 | deltron | "Sir, it was a trap! There's two of them!" |
| 13:48.20 | robotusch | :O |
| 13:48.29 | deltron | oldschool shaman joke lol |
| 13:50.45 | Rufwon | lol |
| 13:51.31 | Trae | hey, stupid question, the energy you get back from mana tap, is that like a rogues energy? Or is it something else? |
| 13:52.08 | Rufwon | You only get 10 NRG back when u use AT |
| 13:52.14 | Rufwon | 10 per tap |
| 13:52.18 | Rufwon | 30 total |
| 13:53.12 | Trae | hmm |
| 13:53.21 | Trae | yeah, not sure how interesting that is. |
| 13:53.22 | Rufwon | its rogues nrg per ur question .. nothing else .. its good for raids and pvp i think .. i love spinting in a circle of casters and using Arcane Torrent lol .. they are like .. "lolwtf" |
| 13:53.33 | JunkHead | when you mana tap a mob or whatever. |
| 13:53.44 | Trae | Rufwon, ahhh |
| 13:53.45 | JunkHead | you get energy back in some form depending on your class. |
| 13:53.52 | JunkHead | a mage would get back mana |
| 13:53.59 | JunkHead | a rogue would get energy or whatever |
| 13:54.17 | Trae | JunkHead, ok thanks |
| 13:54.24 | Rufwon | but when u mana tap you dont get it ight away unless u use Arcane Torrent |
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| 13:54.29 | JunkHead | yeah |
| 13:54.35 | JunkHead | each tap is a charge |
| 13:54.52 | JunkHead | you do arcane torrent and get back X amount of whatever per charge |
| 13:55.03 | JunkHead | for a rogue you get 10 energy per charge you had. |
| 13:55.06 | JunkHead | 30 max. |
| 13:55.06 | Rufwon | yeah its 10 NRG per charge max of 3 |
| 13:55.12 | JunkHead | not sure anout mana retruned. |
| 13:55.16 | JunkHead | about* |
| 13:55.40 | Rufwon | idk i use it all the time |
| 13:55.56 | Rufwon | its masable button for me too so wens its available i used it |
| 13:56.09 | Rufwon | then i go annoy some casters |
| 13:57.06 | Rufwon | i love going up to paladin and fighting them ... right after a kidneyshot i do an arcane torrent cause you know they are going ot cast something .. even better if they try to bubble |
| 13:57.39 | Rufwon | enuf time to blind the bioootch ... i had a paladin run away from me in AV it was amazing .. |
| 13:58.41 | Rufwon | 8K more honor! 20 more eots marks to go |
| 13:59.01 | Rufwon | the 20 marks of eots is going to take awhile lol |
| 14:02.00 | deltron | 20 more games of eots I guess lol |
| 14:02.00 | Rufwon | night elf druid and a dwarf hunter! |
| 14:02.00 | Rufwon | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.00 | Rufwon | While riding one day a NE druid meets a Dwarf hunter riding along with a wolf and a sheep, and began a conversation. |
| 14:02.00 | Rufwon | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.00 | Rufwon | Druid: "Hey, nice wolf you got there. Mind if I speak to him?" |
| 14:02.02 | Rufwon | hunter: "Da wolf can't talk ya ninny!." |
| 14:02.04 | Rufwon | druid: "Hey wolf, how's it goin'?" |
| 14:02.06 | Rufwon | wolf: "Doin' all right." |
| 14:02.08 | Rufwon | hunter: Look of utter shock!. |
| 14:02.10 | Rufwon | druid, pointing at the hunter: "Is this dwarf hunter your owner?" |
| 14:02.12 | Rufwon | wolf: "Yep ,not only that he is my best friend!. " |
| 14:02.14 | Rufwon | druid: "How does he treat you?" |
| 14:02.16 | Rufwon | wolf: "Real good. we hunt all day day, he feeds me great food, and takes me to undercity and lets me pick out some new bones!." |
| 14:02.19 | Rufwon | hunter: Look of total disbelief. |
| 14:02.21 | Rufwon | druid: "Mind if I talk to your ram?" |
| 14:02.23 | Rufwon | druid: "me ram don't talk." |
| 14:02.25 | Rufwon | hunter: "Hey ram, how's it going?" |
| 14:02.27 | Rufwon | ram: "Cool." |
| 14:02.29 | Rufwon | hunter: Extreme look of shock. |
| 14:02.31 | Rufwon | druid, pointing at hunter again: "Is this your owner?" |
| 14:02.33 | Rufwon | ram: "Yep." |
| 14:02.35 | Rufwon | druid: "How's he treat you?" |
| 14:02.37 | Rufwon | ram: "Pretty good, thanks for asking. He rides me regularly, brushes me down often, and keeps me in a shed to protect me." |
| 14:02.40 | Rufwon | hunter: Total look of utter amazement. |
| 14:02.42 | Rufwon | druid: "Mind if I talk to your sheep?" |
| 14:02.44 | Rufwon | hunter: "Dat sheep is a #@$ %$#@ @#$%^%$ liar!" |
| 14:02.46 | Rufwon | ooops |
| 14:02.59 | deltron | flood! |
| 14:03.15 | Rufwon | MT i swear! |
| 14:03.25 | deltron | jokes are good |
| 14:08.10 | Rufwon | lol |
| 14:08.20 | Rufwon | exactly 20 more games of eots |
| 14:08.27 | Rufwon | cause i know we aint going to win diddly squat |
| 14:08.52 | Rufwon | we are dumb when it comes to eots |
| 14:08.57 | Rufwon | whatts eots? |
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| 15:06.06 | nornagon | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/realmstatus/ <-- oops, what happened. |
| 15:06.34 | nornagon | oh well, guess it means i get some sleep instead of staying up till 3... |
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| 15:16.49 | afkafka | eh? |
| 15:17.49 | nornagon | for me the realm list shows up empty |
| 15:18.20 | deltron | servers are down :P |
| 15:18.27 | nornagon | i figured :P |
| 15:18.29 | afkafka | and that would be because of the maint. downtime. why would it change the decision to stay up until maint finishes? |
| 15:18.51 | afkafka | oh, you weren't actually talking about waiting, you meant playing until 3. |
| 15:18.56 | deltron | 10:17 <+thottbot> [thottbot] North American: 0/0 \\ European: ?/? |
| 15:19.19 | afkafka | For my timezone the maint finishes near 3am. |
| 15:19.56 | deltron | nz/kiwi? |
| 15:20.03 | afkafka | lolwut |
| 15:20.09 | afkafka | nz /or/ kiwi? |
| 15:20.13 | deltron | yes |
| 15:20.18 | afkafka | those are the same thing |
| 15:20.22 | deltron | err nz/aust |
| 15:20.24 | afkafka | AU. |
| 15:20.38 | deltron | i should have had a coffee this morning :P |
| 15:20.48 | afkafka | ;-) |
| 15:22.07 | afkafka | I want some kind of decent webgame to kill the next three hours with. |
| 15:22.55 | unfo- | afkafka, play ping pong with the irc server |
| 15:23.09 | afkafka | that fails to satisfy my requirements |
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| 15:24.04 | afkafka | any feral druids want to give me some advice about tier 4 gear? |
| 15:25.35 | Rufwon | yeah skip it |
| 15:25.38 | Rufwon | jk im ont a druid |
| 15:25.54 | Rufwon | .w 92630 |
| 15:25.55 | CuddleBot[b] | »Location::» Lake Forest, CA (92630) »Updated At::» 6/10/08 8:05 AM PDT |
| 15:25.56 | CuddleBot[b] | »Temp::» 64F »Feels Like::» 64F »Wind::» 2mph »Looks Like::» Fog |
| 15:28.32 | afkafka | skipping the 4pc bonus is what I'm wondering about. |
| 15:29.39 | Cadwallion | .w |
| 15:29.39 | CuddleBot[b] | »Location::» DeKalb, IL (60115) »Updated At::» 6/10/08 10:25 AM CDT |
| 15:29.40 | CuddleBot[b] | »Temp::» 69F »Feels Like::» 69F »Wind::» 12mph »Looks Like::» Sunny |
| 15:29.59 | Cadwallion | I haven't seen krag0th around lately |
| 15:30.02 | Cadwallion | war be he. :-( |
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| 15:32.10 | Rufwon | Cad! my buddy howz it goin playa! |
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| 15:34.24 | Cadwallion | HI. |
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| 15:46.08 | Sialiten|honkshu | gaaaaah |
| 15:46.22 | Sialiten | I went to log in to check my mail... |
| 15:46.30 | Sialiten | but then I remembered it's Tuesday :( |
| 15:48.51 | Rufwon | lol |
| 15:49.05 | Sialiten | oh, and by the way, this feral druids highly recommends the four piece t4 bonus if you can manage to get your hands on four pieces |
| 15:49.12 | Sialiten | druid* |
| 15:49.23 | afkafka | Thanks. |
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| 16:01.30 | TecnoBrat | oh man |
| 16:01.34 | TecnoBrat | I'm in #commits |
| 16:01.40 | TecnoBrat | and I would KILL some of these developers |
| 16:01.49 | TecnoBrat | making 10+ small 1 file commits |
| 16:01.51 | TecnoBrat | in a row |
| 16:01.53 | Rufwon | Need help? |
| 16:01.57 | TecnoBrat | fixing the same bug |
| 16:03.39 | Cadwallion | ...#commits? |
| 16:03.54 | Cadwallion | what is it, a bunch of people saying what they're SVNing |
| 16:03.56 | Cadwallion | ? |
| 16:04.28 | alayton | but productivity is obviously measured by number of commits, tecno |
| 16:04.30 | [Liquidor] | This post wins the interwebz: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=4357487802&sid=1 |
| 16:06.22 | TecnoBrat | Cadwallion, its a bot that monitors all kinds of open source projects that have channels on freenode |
| 16:06.27 | TecnoBrat | and posts the commit changes |
| 16:08.59 | Cadwallion | oic |
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| 16:13.00 | Rufwon | wow ? |
| 16:13.11 | Rufwon | " Cadwallion: oic " |
| 16:13.23 | Rufwon | no freakin way! |
| 16:13.27 | Rufwon | its possible |
| 16:13.43 | Rufwon | im gonna go play the lotto |
| 16:14.55 | Rufwon | short typing ftw! cad wins a cookie |
| 16:16.49 | Rufwon | ugghh |
| 16:16.50 | Rufwon | Problem: Monitor wont turn on |
| 16:16.50 | Rufwon | Description: When I turn on the computer, the monitor won't turn on, just has the orange light on with "no signal" appearing on my monitor(LCD viewsonic). |
| 16:16.50 | Rufwon | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.50 | Rufwon | I have no clue what the problem is. Help me, por favor. |
| 16:17.25 | Cadwallion | Solution: Your monitor is dead. Buy a new one. |
| 16:17.42 | Rufwon | Dood If i go to this guys computer and and he doesnt have his actually pc turned on im gonna shoot myself |
| 16:18.35 | Rufwon | brb ill tell you the outcome lol |
| 16:18.40 | Rufwon | hah @ cad .. i wish |
| 16:18.56 | Rufwon | wait i dont wish cause then i have to put it together |
| 16:19.12 | Rufwon | and buy it n do a purchase order .fuck that lol |
| 16:19.13 | Rufwon | brb |
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| 16:50.42 | lprich | hi guys and gals |
| 16:54.56 | Rufwon | ok so this idiot didn't turn on his computer |
| 16:55.16 | Rufwon | i just dont get it |
| 16:55.40 | Rufwon | how computer illerate can u get? |
| 16:55.41 | Rufwon | seriously |
| 16:56.19 | Rufwon | i need a coffe break this was just retarded and i have to deal with shit like this alld ay lol |
| 16:56.53 | lprich | I'm looking forward to sept 30th. |
| 16:57.05 | lprich | or earlier, depending on when open beta for WAR starts. |
| 16:57.59 | jirwin | lol |
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| 17:04.20 | lprich | jirwin: why lol? |
| 17:04.33 | jirwin | @ Rufwon |
| 17:04.52 | lprich | Rufwon is silly. |
| 17:04.54 | jirwin | because, I have had that exact situation happen to me before...and baby Jesus cried. |
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| 17:07.18 | Gary13579 | Rufwon: where do you work lol |
| 17:17.58 | Rufwon | i work in this god forsaken place |
| 17:18.04 | Rufwon | 100+ users |
| 17:18.26 | Rufwon | who are all computer illerate except me and my co worker here next to me |
| 17:18.37 | Rufwon | we deal with stupid questions |
| 17:18.40 | Rufwon | along with requests |
| 17:20.29 | Rufwon | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.38 | Rufwon | They have a Data Management devices as well that uses software and SQL to store data .. yadda yadda! basically i do tech suport for that as well... |
| 17:21.49 | Rufwon | i can't even talk straight |
| 17:21.54 | Rufwon | type even |
| 17:21.54 | Rufwon | whatever |
| 17:23.12 | lprich | I can haz warhammer? |
| 17:23.57 | Rufwon | wat is haz? |
| 17:24.14 | alayton | i haz warhammer.. |
| 17:24.27 | lprich | I preordered collector edition yesterday |
| 17:24.37 | Rufwon | oh yes you mentioned that yesterday :P |
| 17:24.40 | lprich | :D |
| 17:26.13 | Rufwon | did u guys see this? |
| 17:26.14 | Rufwon | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/warcraft_sequel_lets_gamers_play?utm_source=embedded_video |
| 17:29.55 | lprich | lol |
| 17:31.10 | Rufwon | is that stupid or what? |
| 17:32.17 | lprich | pretty funny imo |
| 17:32.36 | Rufwon | oh yeah definitely funny! |
| 17:33.44 | Rufwon | lprich can you start working on my eots marks? |
| 17:34.06 | lprich | lol, no. I hate eots |
| 17:34.29 | Rufwon | getting 20 marks is like a 10hr job .. if im lucky i might get in in 6hrs if the horde decides to fight at the flag |
| 17:34.42 | Rufwon | bloodlust ftw! |
| 17:35.03 | alayton | fighting at the flag is a great way to lose |
| 17:35.11 | Rufwon | definitely |
| 17:35.28 | lprich | It's like fighting in the middle of the roads in AB |
| 17:35.39 | Rufwon | thats even better |
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| 17:37.29 | Rufwon | yesterday i was in AV and it was great . i saw the greatest thing ever ... like 15 hordes lined up one side and about 20 alliance on the otherside .. we were like " what bitch! come get some" the allliance was just staring at us until a resto shammy decided to charge us lol! then it was over |
| 17:37.53 | alayton | av is so hit or miss.. |
| 17:38.07 | Rufwon | massacre at ibgy! |
| 17:38.10 | alayton | if you get stuck with too many people whining about needing defense, youre fucked.. |
| 17:38.37 | Jolt | sigh massive lag ingame |
| 17:38.46 | Jolt | GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR |
| 17:38.53 | Jolt | my realm is down |
| 17:39.12 | Rufwon | there was an aV that i did .. that the horde just straight up rolled the alliance all the way to van |
| 17:39.17 | Rufwon | i mean we were jsut coming pushing forward |
| 17:39.35 | Rufwon | unstoppable ... |
| 17:39.50 | Jolt | cries on Rufwon |
| 17:40.12 | alayton | best way for horde to win is to just ignore defense, leave a few people at each tower, and rush all the way to aid station |
| 17:40.31 | robotusch | lol |
| 17:40.34 | robotusch | classic shaman |
| 17:40.39 | robotusch | thought I could take on a shadowpriest |
| 17:40.41 | robotusch | I couldn't |
| 17:41.32 | lprich | shadowpriests are a bitch |
| 17:41.59 | lprich | the only thing I can really kill as resto shaman is like prot/holy paladins. |
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| 17:44.07 | alayton | shouldnt really be able to kill a holy pally.. |
| 17:44.11 | alayton | thats a never ending fight |
| 17:44.52 | unfo- | alayton, shadowpriest's manaburn vs holy pally's mana = trouble for pally |
| 17:44.53 | lprich | lb, lb, lb, lb, shock his heal, NS+LB |
| 17:44.54 | robotusch | not if you're a shadowpriest |
| 17:45.06 | alayton | context gogo |
| 17:45.38 | alayton | who was the only person bringing up holy pallies, as what class? |
| 17:45.44 | Rufwon | did i tell you guys that i made a paladin run away from me yesterday in AV |
| 17:45.57 | alayton | and lp, that wont kill a pally that isnt retarded |
| 17:46.13 | unfo- | is a healadin :) |
| 17:46.15 | lprich | but sooo many paladins ARE retarded! |
| 17:46.41 | lprich | basically though resto sham vs holy pally is just a mana fight |
| 17:47.01 | alayton | neither can do enough dps to run the other out |
| 17:47.02 | lprich | except that whole bit where pally has LoH and a stun |
| 17:47.29 | Rufwon | i think a holy pally would beat a resto shammy |
| 17:47.57 | unfo- | retriaura ftw ;D |
| 17:48.22 | alayton | nop |
| 17:48.23 | alayton | conc |
| 17:48.32 | jirwin | unfo-: a resto shammy would probably use lightning? |
| 17:48.39 | unfo- | http://www.armory-light.com/eu/Hellfire/Walontuoja/ <- any suggestions for where to get proper wrists? |
| 17:48.44 | jirwin | so retaurar is nil? |
| 17:48.47 | unfo- | jirwin, alayton very good point :D |
| 17:48.48 | jirwin | aura* |
| 17:48.54 | unfo- | was never one for pvp |
| 17:49.30 | alayton | badge wrists |
| 17:50.16 | unfo- | k |
| 17:50.31 | alayton | and ffs, replace the cloth >< |
| 17:51.00 | unfo- | alayton, getting there, mate :) |
| 17:51.22 | jirwin | lol |
| 17:51.23 | lprich | i have two pieces of cloth left |
| 17:51.32 | lprich | two-toed sandals and some crappy blue belt |
| 17:51.39 | lprich | 30 more badges and the belt goes bye bye |
| 17:51.42 | unfo- | alayton, I haven't been 70 that long and I play randomly :) |
| 17:51.53 | unfo- | at random times, not in a random manner :D |
| 17:51.55 | lprich | the sandals I may well keep, because they are damn near best in slot for resto shamans |
| 17:52.34 | jirwin | http://www.armory-light.com/us/frostwolf/jirwin/ |
| 17:52.41 | jirwin | any reccomendations for my cat set? |
| 17:52.51 | jirwin | i'm still sharing lots with my bear set sadly :( |
| 17:53.02 | unfo- | ok. so 35 badges for bracers |
| 17:53.16 | unfo- | I think I have 13 so far from two incomplete kara runs |
| 17:53.24 | alayton | stranglestaff, badge staff |
| 17:53.29 | alayton | one of the two |
| 17:54.02 | alayton | curator ring probably |
| 17:54.34 | jirwin | yah |
| 17:54.41 | jirwin | you know how many times I have run kara? |
| 17:54.49 | jirwin | and I have *never* seen the strangle staff drop |
| 17:54.51 | jirwin | ever. |
| 17:55.15 | jirwin | see, my bear set is doing great...but making that set great made my cat set suffer a bit. |
| 17:55.30 | alayton | *shrug* |
| 17:55.33 | alayton | itll drop eventually |
| 17:55.49 | alayton | and if it doesnt, youll have badges for a better staff anyways ;p |
| 17:55.56 | jirwin | yah |
| 17:55.56 | jirwin | lol |
| 17:56.04 | jirwin | but...i'm sick of kara |
| 17:56.21 | jirwin | oh well. |
| 17:56.29 | jirwin | back to work. |
| 17:56.38 | boman^ | I've never seen the spell damage ring from chess drop. o: |
| 17:57.59 | alayton | ive seen it maybe once, on the wrong character.. |
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| 18:06.06 | robotusch | :D |
| 18:06.27 | robotusch | Nifty trinket my shaman got: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34423 :> |
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| 18:13.34 | lprich | i haz that still |
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| 18:23.22 | Rufwon | whats that website ? |
| 18:23.29 | Rufwon | darklegacy comics or something |
| 18:28.17 | unfo- | .google darklegacy comics |
| 18:28.30 | unfo- | or just concat words and append .com |
| 18:28.40 | Rufwon | yeah i just figured that out lol .. cause google is the answer for everything |
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| 18:43.35 | FinalX | hm, wow broken for EU >.> |
| 18:43.58 | Rufwon | its working as intended |
| 18:44.21 | FinalX | so true :P |
| 18:56.37 | kachna|lappy | ey guys |
| 18:56.52 | kachna|lappy | is that normal for progressing guild to wipe 6 times on the loot below in ssc? :P |
| 18:57.29 | Ozguli | not really |
| 18:57.51 | Ozguli | the people who died deserve no loot in 2 weeks |
| 18:57.52 | FinalX | sure, if your people have problems with their client .. the camera point of view of water is killing. |
| 18:57.55 | FinalX | +the |
| 18:58.14 | FinalX | other than that the loot below is very easy |
| 19:01.07 | kachna|lappy | well we always had someone died from spout,i have no idea how can they manage that :P |
| 19:02.13 | kachna|lappy | but it fels like horrible fail -.- |
| 19:02.51 | Nem | We wiped on Attumen trash a month ago |
| 19:02.52 | Nem | :/ |
| 19:02.59 | FinalX | lol |
| 19:03.10 | Nem | We;ve been in Kara for over a year and we've only just downed Maggy/Gruul in the past month and a bit |
| 19:03.15 | FinalX | did the healer(s) die on you? :P |
| 19:03.34 | Nem | Not sure |
| 19:03.39 | Nem | It sucked though |
| 19:03.59 | kachna|lappy | wow |
| 19:04.27 | kachna|lappy | ok that's op,wipe on attumen rules :P |
| 19:05.02 | FinalX | not even on attumen, on his trash :P |
| 19:05.22 | kachna|lappy | o right,even berret ;o |
| 19:05.25 | kachna|lappy | better |
| 19:05.56 | kachna|lappy | though,that lurker pisses me off...wanna parse wws,but splitting my 125MB log seems to make my text editor mad -.- |
| 19:06.12 | kachna|lappy | it's loading my ctrl+v for 21min already,WTF? :D |
| 19:06.39 | alayton | my guild finally killed felmyst last night.. |
| 19:06.48 | kachna|lappy | ;o gz |
| 19:06.57 | alayton | after probably 50 attempts this week alone.. |
| 19:07.02 | kachna|lappy | we just did void reaver n sunday /shy |
| 19:08.14 | Nem | We can do the first three bosses inn ZA, but VR/LR are too hard :( |
| 19:08.51 | alayton | whats your 4th za boss? |
| 19:08.59 | Nem | Dragonhawk |
| 19:09.10 | Nem | Ah, first three is rather stupid thing to say really |
| 19:09.15 | kachna|lappy | we just cleared za on sat :) heck,the hex lord is bastard -.- |
| 19:09.34 | lprich | bird, bear, dragonhawk |
| 19:09.51 | lprich | lynx, hex, zul'jin |
| 19:09.52 | alayton | dragonhawk is quite annoying without a prot pally.. |
| 19:10.03 | kachna|lappy | <3 |
| 19:10.04 | lprich | indeed |
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| 19:10.07 | kachna|lappy | me=prot pally :P |
| 19:10.22 | Nem | I am a prot pally :( |
| 19:10.36 | alayton | my pally specced prot just for that awhile back.. lasted a whole day or so >.> |
| 19:10.45 | kachna|lappy | but they don'ŧ wanna let me tank leotheras,hope i'll gear up so they'll let me when we reach him ;o |
| 19:10.46 | lprich | I'm going to lunch. |
| 19:11.22 | kachna|lappy | well i specced holy for our progress kill of zul'jin,as there was only 1 tank needed...but it was kinda bring :o |
| 19:11.33 | kachna|lappy | i always lose focus when healing -.- |
| 19:12.19 | kachna|lappy | and so i got burned by that pillar of fire followed by flame breath in dragnhawk phase :P |
| 19:15.07 | Nem | :P Healing is boring |
| 19:15.27 | Nem | But I get "forced" to respec alot so they can bring in PuG tanks with worse gear :) |
| 19:16.37 | kachna|lappy | -.- |
| 19:16.47 | kachna|lappy | pugs fail :P |
| 19:18.00 | kachna|lappy | hm |
| 19:18.16 | kachna|lappy | 112441 lines of text,and i can't paste it to Kate -.- |
| 19:18.47 | Nem | Kate? |
| 19:19.05 | kachna|lappy | text editor... |
| 19:19.08 | Nem | Ah |
| 19:19.13 | kachna|lappy | just needa split my combat log :/ |
| 19:19.24 | Nem | Tried Notepad++? |
| 19:19.44 | Nem | http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm |
| 19:20.00 | kachna|lappy | isn't there some addon,that'll make a new file whenever i change zone or so? i have CL from 2 zul amans and gruul+maggy+ssc at one file :( |
| 19:20.25 | kachna|lappy | oh |
| 19:20.32 | kachna|lappy | nothing for me, i r linux user :P |
| 19:20.36 | kachna|lappy | ty anyways :D |
| 19:20.50 | kachna|lappy | i have about 20 editors here,used to work as programmer :/ |
| 19:22.16 | limed | just use vim |
| 19:22.21 | kachna|lappy | lemme try |
| 19:22.42 | limed | dont forget to set paste for vim |
| 19:23.10 | kachna|lappy | y just noticed i'm starting it for 1st time :P |
| 19:23.50 | limed | just in case it doesnt auto indent everything |
| 19:25.21 | kachna|lappy | ok,i fail |
| 19:25.28 | kachna|lappy | how do i quit from help? :P |
| 19:25.38 | kachna|lappy | oh :q ftw :D |
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| 19:28.21 | limed | :q and u is your freind in vim |
| 19:28.49 | Nem | Died to spout |
| 19:28.52 | Nem | I am high skkill |
| 19:29.00 | kachna|lappy | :/ |
| 19:29.18 | kachna|lappy | you must have slacked :P |
| 19:29.23 | deltron | limed: :x |
| 19:29.30 | deltron | :q! |
| 19:29.34 | kachna|lappy | limed: still trying to find out how to paste tbh :D |
| 19:29.46 | deltron | i |
| 19:29.50 | limed | are you trying to paste a log file? |
| 19:29.58 | kachna|lappy | yep :p |
| 19:30.06 | deltron | to insert text, press i |
| 19:30.11 | deltron | to stop typing, hit esc |
| 19:30.32 | kachna|lappy | i mean,paste not insert :/ |
| 19:30.40 | chiisai | anywhere know where to get good, cheap (both :<) VMs for hosting? |
| 19:30.55 | kachna|lappy | limed: yep,copied the desired part from my huge log :/ |
| 19:30.56 | limed | highlight the log and middle click when you are in insert mode |
| 19:31.00 | chiisai | I mean VPS :v |
| 19:31.21 | kachna|lappy | omg |
| 19:31.27 | kachna|lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.02 | kachna|lappy | :/ |
| 19:33.15 | kachna|lappy | it says buffer is empty :\ |
| 19:33.32 | limed | highlight the log again and try again? |
| 19:34.07 | kachna|lappy | well that's it,i didn't select it by mouse but holding page down for about 3minutes :p it's 125000 lines :/ |
| 19:34.52 | limed | *shrug* it should work that way |
| 19:35.03 | limed | is too lazy to figure out a different way now |
| 19:35.25 | kachna|lappy | ye i think i'll just paste to kate and go afk :D |
| 19:41.15 | kachna|lappy | ty anyways tho :p |
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| 20:09.00 | Jolt | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Frostmane&n=Zeo O.o 61 in protection? |
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| 20:11.50 | deltron | Jolt: it happens a LOT lol |
| 20:12.45 | Raws | Argh |
| 20:13.09 | Raws | Does anyone remember a massively multiplayer baja rally game that was announced a few years ago, but never really came to fruition? |
| 20:13.13 | Raws | I'm trying like heck to remember the name of it |
| 20:13.23 | Raws | I just remember the trailer, with hundreds of vehicles racing over a desert |
| 20:13.26 | Cadwallion | Auto Assault? |
| 20:13.42 | Raws | Hmm, I sort of don't think so, but maybe |
| 20:14.13 | Raws | Oh, no, it was definitely full-on baja racing |
| 20:14.24 | Raws | With maps that were in the hundreds of square km |
| 20:14.34 | Raws | Auto Assault looks awesome, though :-P |
| 20:15.41 | kachna|lappy | Jolt: wtf? |
| 20:15.49 | deltron | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6440896153&pageNo=23&sid=1#443 <-- lmao |
| 20:17.08 | Corgan | lol |
| 20:18.50 | kachna|lappy | nerf |
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| 20:20.06 | thunderchld | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/warcraft_sequel_lets_gamers_play |
| 20:20.10 | thunderchld | LMAO |
| 20:23.02 | Raws | lol |
| 20:23.33 | thunderchld | sweet only going to hit 99 tomorrow |
| 20:24.32 | [Liquidor] | Gnome Paladin: http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/3332/wowscrnshot061008185845ze1.jpg |
| 20:24.56 | lprich | Sweet, I just dropped a meatball on my shirt >< |
| 20:25.00 | Raws | Awesome |
| 20:25.13 | Raws | I did that last week when I was traveling for business |
| 20:25.16 | Raws | And it was my only change of clothes |
| 20:25.25 | Raws | So I did some ninja clothes washing when I got back to my hotel |
| 20:25.29 | Raws | It worked a charm |
| 20:25.48 | lprich | It's late enough in the day that I don't really care. |
| 20:25.59 | lprich | And if the shirt gets totally stained, so be it. I need new shirts anyway. |
| 20:26.38 | Raws | heh |
| 20:26.42 | Raws | omfg, I finally found that game |
| 20:26.45 | Raws | Grand Raid Offroad http://pc.gamezone.com/gamesell/p28317.htm |
| 20:30.13 | kachna|lappy | [Liquidor]: zomg fake private serv0rz!!!! |
| 20:30.46 | TecnoBrat | ummm |
| 20:30.54 | TecnoBrat | well, how does he only have 1700 healing? |
| 20:30.56 | kachna|lappy | cute tho :P i'm a gnome after using eng teleporters :P |
| 20:30.57 | TecnoBrat | with taht gear |
| 20:31.18 | kachna|lappy | empty trinket slot,no libram :P |
| 20:31.26 | kachna|lappy | bet he isn'ŧ gemmed :P |
| 20:31.40 | lprich | Or enchanted. |
| 20:31.44 | TecnoBrat | and yea, any "real" server, he'd be gemmed :P |
| 20:31.51 | TecnoBrat | or his guild would kick his ass |
| 20:31.58 | lprich | my badge pants are worth over 200 healing |
| 20:31.58 | kachna|lappy | anyways,srsly cute! |
| 20:32.02 | TecnoBrat | I was thinking photoshop + trinket |
| 20:32.20 | TecnoBrat | but, that doesn't explain his stupidness with gear |
| 20:32.29 | [Liquidor] | Or Model Edit + Interface "Hack" |
| 20:32.41 | kachna|lappy | :P |
| 20:32.53 | kachna|lappy | anyways it's incredibly cute,wtb that :P |
| 20:33.34 | TecnoBrat | [Liquidor], or that |
| 20:33.57 | TecnoBrat | but anyone with that gear should have 2K+ healing easy |
| 20:38.32 | kachna|lappy | omg nerf http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7633/northrendd01ma8.jpg |
| 20:38.38 | alayton | eh |
| 20:38.44 | alayton | not necessarily tecno |
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| 20:39.23 | _rane_ | kachna|lappy: looks very nice |
| 20:39.34 | kachna|lappy | idd |
| 20:39.47 | kachna|lappy | i'd take the bottom one for mah paleh prolly |
| 20:39.56 | kachna|lappy | 1st one is nice,but kinda dark for a pally :P |
| 20:40.26 | kachna|lappy | heck that must be uber on a dorf,just like T2! |
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| 20:45.18 | kachna|lappy | wotlk should come this year? |
| 20:47.33 | lprich | very late this year, or early next. |
| 20:47.40 | lprich | before christmas if they are smart though |
| 20:49.28 | Tenchworks | I think they are probally going to follow the same release plan they did with the BC |
| 20:50.16 | lprich | I barely remember BC release. |
| 20:50.26 | Tenchworks | if they do it before chrsitmas, then there's a good chance servers are going to go down swamped with players during christmas break |
| 20:50.28 | lprich | because I wasn't playing at the time it came out. |
| 20:51.07 | Rufwon | Two hydrogen atoms meet. One says, "I've lost my electron." The other says, "Are you sure?" The first replies "Yes, I'm positive." |
| 20:52.07 | Rufwon | Did you hear about the Buddhist who refused Novocain during a root canal? His goal: transcend dental medication. |
| 20:53.10 | Tenchworks | well what did did for BC was release patch 2.0 in december (a full month before release) and ironed out the bugs/did last min class balancing/fixing then in the middle of january they released the BC and for most servers it was pretty flawless with your occasional server emergency restart |
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| 20:53.35 | kachna|lappy | lprich: ty ;) |
| 20:54.00 | Raws | BONUS GIFTS |
| 20:54.18 | unfo- | Rufwon, lol @ jokes |
| 20:54.31 | lprich | kachna|lappy: ty for? |
| 20:54.36 | lprich | is lost |
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| 20:55.52 | kachna|lappy | [22:45] <kachna|lappy> wotlk should come this year? |
| 20:55.53 | kachna|lappy | [22:47] <lprich> very late this year, or early next. |
| 20:56.04 | kachna|lappy | for making it clear for me :P |
| 20:56.13 | kachna|lappy | i'm a lil slow today :D |
| 20:56.26 | lprich | I'm seriously thinking WoW might be done for me. Our guild basically fell apart, and I -just- joined it. So, we're doing like, mass recruiting... which means needing to go back to ssc/tk stuff... |
| 20:56.34 | lprich | kachna|lappy: :D anytime. |
| 20:56.55 | unfo- | lprich, so you are in BT lvl yerself? |
| 20:57.11 | lprich | Yeah, I'm geared enough for BT/Hyjal |
| 20:57.21 | alayton | ive never killed a single ssc/tk boss.. |
| 20:57.28 | lprich | I haven't either |
| 20:57.35 | unfo- | has twice been in Kara ( /flex ) |
| 20:57.35 | lprich | I bypassed ssc/tk with badge gear |
| 20:57.40 | lprich | and ZA |
| 20:57.42 | lprich | and Kara |
| 20:57.59 | alayton | i did the same, but with mostly kara >.> |
| 20:58.00 | kachna|lappy | neither did i :P |
| 20:58.08 | lprich | And since you don't have to attune for BT/Hyjal anymore... |
| 20:58.16 | lprich | nobody wants to do SSC/TK |
| 20:58.42 | kachna|lappy | i do |
| 20:58.43 | lprich | which is retarded, because -everyone- should have their shadow resist neck from the attunement |
| 20:58.54 | lprich | for when you get to Mother in BT |
| 20:59.01 | kachna|lappy | tbh,removing these attunements really pissed me off -.- |
| 20:59.23 | lprich | It really lowers the quality of players, IMO. |
| 20:59.26 | alayton | ive been doing mother with like 4 pieces of sr gear |
| 20:59.30 | kachna|lappy | they're just making the game more and more interesting for kids..and less for players who actually put some effort... |
| 20:59.44 | kachna|lappy | lprich: idd |
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| 21:00.19 | lprich | I'm really looking forward to WAR, more and more, and moving away from WoW. |
| 21:00.26 | lprich | Hell, I might even go back to LotRO |
| 21:00.35 | kachna|lappy | heck,we've jsut started SSC/TK, 3shotted void reaver,and now we keep failing on loot below,which is epic fail :P |
| 21:00.41 | lprich | It had a lot of features I really liked, just needed some polish. |
| 21:00.41 | Zicon | I only wear four pieces of SR gear for Mother, and that includes the neck. Which got upgraded today, btw! :D :D :D |
| 21:01.02 | kachna|lappy | well,on the other side,i don't feel like changing game,if i'll end with wow,i'll just stop playing mmorpgs :P |
| 21:01.07 | alayton | i wish i had the neck, just for the extra hearth >.> |
| 21:01.09 | lprich | Having the neck lets you not need the pants |
| 21:01.18 | alayton | dont have pants, either! |
| 21:01.20 | lprich | which saves 3 HoDs |
| 21:01.25 | Zicon | happybounces and throws http://www.flickr.com/photos/zicon/2568011191/ at random people |
| 21:01.48 | kachna|lappy | gz ;o |
| 21:02.26 | Raws | AURORA |
| 21:02.34 | Raws | You know what my favorite command line tool is? |
| 21:02.36 | Raws | mysqldump |
| 21:02.39 | Raws | giggles |
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| 21:04.35 | lprich | mmm nom nom, mysqldump |
| 21:04.45 | Zicon | raws: WHAT |
| 21:05.52 | lprich | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33332 :Do Want |
| 21:06.00 | lprich | It will pretty much complete my ZA healing set. |
| 21:12.24 | malikeye | lprich: you already have a ZA healing set ? |
| 21:12.27 | malikeye | bastard |
| 21:12.52 | lprich | well, i have two-toed sandals, mojo-menders mask, and hex-lord's voodoo pauldrons |
| 21:13.26 | lprich | still want the healing chest, shield, neck, etc etc |
| 21:13.36 | lprich | plenty more upgrades in there for me |
| 21:14.29 | lprich | and lots of good offspec gear in there too. I've got the two fists defaulted to me for offspec. |
| 21:14.41 | lprich | so Rage and Fury are sitting in my bank |
| 21:15.23 | lprich | this too: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32946 from hyjal |
| 21:16.22 | lprich | and a bunch of kara gear, but my enhance set still sucks. haven't even broke 1200 AP yet i don't think. |
| 21:17.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | my shaman used to have about 1000 AP at level 42 before all the changes to rockbiter and the like :( |
| 21:17.59 | lprich | Yeah. |
| 21:18.13 | lprich | None of my stuff is enchanted yet either, or gemmed really. |
| 21:18.36 | lprich | I could probably get it somewhere around 1200 or more with a little work, but it's not really worth it. |
| 21:18.41 | lprich | I wouldn't have the stam |
| 21:18.47 | lprich | or the survivability. |
| 21:18.56 | Rufwon | would some one with t6 gear beat someone with s4 gear ? |
| 21:19.26 | lprich | Assuming the same skill level? |
| 21:19.36 | Rufwon | yes |
| 21:19.56 | lprich | tough call. |
| 21:20.02 | Rufwon | definitely |
| 21:20.04 | alayton | s4 is t6 level.. |
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| 21:20.18 | afkafka | I"m guessing not. |
| 21:20.18 | lprich | Resilience ruined pvp IMO. |
| 21:20.20 | Rufwon | s4 has resil t6 doesnt have that much ... |
| 21:20.41 | Rufwon | but t6 has a lot of damage output |
| 21:20.44 | alayton | t6 doesnt have any. |
| 21:20.53 | alayton | the point of resilience is to negate damage output |
| 21:20.56 | alayton | s4 would win |
| 21:20.58 | Rufwon | wait wouldnt warriors have resil or druids? tank gear? |
| 21:21.05 | alayton | no. |
| 21:21.23 | Rufwon | no tank gear has resil? |
| 21:21.27 | Rufwon | no t6 |
| 21:21.29 | alayton | no. |
| 21:21.43 | alayton | its not a very good pve stat |
| 21:22.03 | Rufwon | so you u think s4 would would that fight because of resil |
| 21:22.32 | alayton | yep. fairly comfortably, too |
| 21:22.56 | Rufwon | so t6 would have to depend on white damgage |
| 21:22.56 | lprich | I dunno, with FULL t6 it would be a close match |
| 21:23.00 | Rufwon | but t6 would do a lot more damage then s4 in white damage dont u think? |
| 21:23.04 | alayton | you make me want to cut myself. |
| 21:23.22 | Rufwon | uhhh |
| 21:23.22 | afkafka | the s4 isn't going to be relying on white damage the way t6 will be. |
| 21:23.43 | Rufwon | well make sure it issnt a cut ..make sure its a good deep gash |
| 21:23.52 | afkafka | heh |
| 21:24.19 | lprich | just remember, it's down the road, not across the street. |
| 21:24.28 | Rufwon | that too |
| 21:24.43 | Rufwon | anyways back to t6 vs s4 |
| 21:25.01 | Rufwon | I think im going to put a post up see what teh wow comunity says |
| 21:25.34 | lprich | wow, that's pretty lame. Full T6 shaman set, Enhance, you would get 672 AP |
| 21:25.41 | alayton | its pvp gear for a reason |
| 21:26.00 | Rufwon | its only pvp because of resil |
| 21:26.12 | alayton | alot of top ranked teams are also in sunwell with quite a bit of t6 |
| 21:26.22 | alayton | they use arena/honor gear over t6 for a reason. |
| 21:27.27 | Rufwon | I still think its a touch match .. |
| 21:27.39 | alayton | not so much. |
| 21:29.01 | lprich | I'm going to say FULL t6, as in, all 8 pieces, would stand a chance. I'm only talking armor sets though, and specifically shaman sets. |
| 21:29.05 | lprich | enhancement |
| 21:29.17 | alayton | in addition to the resilience drastically cutting damage, pvp gear also has gobs more stamina |
| 21:29.30 | lprich | not in the case of shamans, alayton. |
| 21:29.34 | lprich | http://www.wowhead.com/?itemset=682 |
| 21:29.40 | lprich | http://www.wowhead.com/?itemset=-4 |
| 21:30.11 | lprich | But what we're not taking into account is that T6 is 8 pieces, Brutal is only 5 |
| 21:30.16 | alayton | youre comparing an 8 pc set to a 5 pc set that has 3 other pieces used in addition |
| 21:31.18 | Sky2042 | just compare the crucial 5 pieces and then go from there imo |
| 21:31.40 | afkafka | *shrugs* or add in the pvp non set bracer/boots/belt and see the same answer. |
| 21:31.51 | lprich | Vindicator's |
| 21:32.14 | afkafka | whatever the s4 version is, yeah. |
| 21:33.20 | lprich | Yeah. Like I said before I might just be about done with WoW |
| 21:33.37 | Rufwon | Can I have your gear? |
| 21:33.43 | lprich | lol |
| 21:33.46 | Rufwon | your account? |
| 21:33.49 | Rufwon | your soul |
| 21:33.51 | lprich | my gear is so easy to get |
| 21:33.56 | lprich | go run ZA and kara |
| 21:34.01 | Rufwon | it'll be easier if u just give it to me |
| 21:34.23 | lprich | yeah, but I don't want to contribute to another nub being all geared up and not knowing how to play. :P |
| 21:34.38 | Rufwon | pffffffffffffff |
| 21:34.45 | Rufwon | i aint no scrub nub! |
| 21:34.47 | lprich | I'll keep my account and probably keep my subscription active, but just not play much. |
| 21:34.55 | Rufwon | i got skills ... they mulitplyinnnnnn |
| 21:35.33 | Rufwon | ill take u on in my s1 gear 220 resil hunter i have .. wats up |
| 21:35.47 | Raws | blol |
| 21:35.51 | lprich | I don't have PvP gear. lol |
| 21:36.02 | Raws | My newer dog is making up games to play by herself |
| 21:36.08 | Rufwon | but ill win since its for pvp only |
| 21:36.18 | Raws | Her latest involves taking her squeaky alligator toy and placing it carefully on the edge of the couch seat |
| 21:36.19 | Rufwon | i got resil n dont |
| 21:36.22 | Rufwon | so ill own u |
| 21:36.25 | Raws | Then slamming herself into it sideways so it squeals |
| 21:36.32 | Rufwon | wtf raws? lol |
| 21:36.37 | Tenchworks | lol |
| 21:36.52 | Raws | It is lol |
| 21:40.04 | lprich | my puppy hates me. I make him sleep in the laundry room, because he hasn't quite figured out not to poo in the house. |
| 21:40.23 | lprich | So really, he just hates the laundry room. |
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| 22:00.23 | Rufwon | see you guys tomorrow |
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| 22:06.13 | Raws | http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/brazil_05_28/xinguriver03.jpg |
| 22:14.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | is that a capybara |
| 22:20.57 | lprich | lol |
| 22:20.58 | lprich | http://darkcastlecreations.com/Xterrastuff/images/pasta.gif |
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| 22:30.34 | FinalX | blizzard's provider called telia messed up routes again |
| 22:30.39 | FinalX | cant connect to eu wow.. |
| 22:30.55 | FinalX | so i made an openvpn to my server in the states... works fine now :P but 856ms latency >.. |
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| 23:07.45 | lprich | wants Warhammer Online |
| 23:18.07 | Raws | Man what the heck |
| 23:18.19 | Raws | I have a meeting tomorrow where I'm expected to lay out a plan for an enterprise database solution |
| 23:18.22 | Raws | These people are insane |
| 23:18.26 | Raws | I know nothing about enterprise databases |
| 23:18.52 | Raws | They only assume I do because I can write code, apparently |
| 23:19.08 | Raws | I'm going to demand I see six figures before they get any consulting |
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